00:06:34 -!- jix has quit ("CommandQ"). 00:44:20 -!- Slereah2 has joined. 00:44:20 -!- Slereah_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 01:11:55 -!- tusho has quit. 01:12:58 -!- CO2Games has joined. 01:13:17 I think I came up with a creative esoteric language :D 01:13:52 It's based around input. 01:13:59 Input and output 01:15:11 Nobody wants to know what it is? 01:15:54 nobody is here, is where it's at :) 01:16:11 D; 01:16:41 two hours since anyone spoke 01:18:30 How is it based, exactly 01:19:11 WEll 01:19:15 It's an assembly line 01:19:31 What am I, some cheap labor? 01:19:33 input is split, processed, and spit out. 01:19:35 lol 01:19:49 It's like an assembly line. 01:20:00 Input is processed by different 'workers' and then output 01:20:32 Well, then, it's pretty much like any language 01:20:40 The workers are the real core of the language 01:22:16 err 01:22:20 yes well uhh 01:22:26 Each worker gets a turn 01:22:35 to process a single set of input 01:22:42 and place it to output 01:24:11 So there can be seperators, combiners, etc. 01:24:21 Or just things that alter the data 01:54:36 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 01:55:54 What is the name of a supervisor of an assembly line? 02:37:31 -!- ihope has joined. 02:40:27 Sounds like monads *haw haw haw* 02:40:35 Lol, monads. 02:40:42 LOLMONADS 02:40:42 Sorry. 02:40:44 I'm making it. 02:40:57 Will the basic data type be the monad? 02:41:27 IMPURE MONAD IS IMPURE 02:44:58 -!- oerjan has joined. 02:46:19 CO2Games: sounds a bit like dataflow programming, or unix pipes 02:47:03 haskell also does a lot of pipelines, with or without monads 02:47:35 hmm 02:47:45 I just saw an ad for a site where you can buy a will with a "money back guarantee." 02:47:52 GregorR: that IMPURE MONAD IS IMPURE meme, where's that from? 02:47:58 "He planned to leave his vast riches to you, but due to a typo in the will it's been given to somebody with an extremely similar name ... the company he bought the will from had a money-back guarantee however, so here's $39.95." 02:48:11 oerjan: I was parodying CAT IS 02:48:20 oerjan: Since ihope said "Lol, monads" which I changed to "LOLMONADS" 02:48:25 that's where i heard it 02:48:36 i thought it might be something older than lolcat? 02:48:44 Well it's intended to be an assembly line, each connection has a length 02:48:49 Maybe, but not to my knowledge. 02:49:49 CO2Games: if it's just one assembly line then that sounds like a unix pipeline, except for the supervisor bit 02:50:36 it's possible monads _might_ work for that, if you wanted it in haskell 02:50:55 I brought up monads :P 02:51:19 oh wait those are not haskell Monads, but haskell Arrows 02:57:54 * pikhq returneth from D&D. 03:00:00 LOSER 03:00:43 I think I need to make a net version of Hydra. 03:00:51 hydra? 03:01:06 http://codu.org/wiki/?title=Hydra 03:12:37 It's great - by the time a game with a few players is over, you'll have 20-something heads on the table. 03:13:20 this sounds strangely similar to D&D 03:13:23 * oerjan ducks 03:13:28 Hahaha 03:13:34 Nice jab, but I rolled a perfect 20 to save. 03:17:46 There's a 1 in 20 chance that you'll be able to do anything. 03:18:31 I attempt to make freenode sapient. 03:18:44 Darn, rolled a 5. I attempt to make freenode sapient. 03:18:53 Darn, rolled a 13. I attempt to make freenode sapient. 03:19:00 Darn, rolled a 13. I attempt to make freenode sapient. 03:19:01 * oerjan recalls reading about take 20 03:19:10 Darn, rolled a 6. I attempt to make freenode sapient. 03:19:20 Darn, rolled a 9. I'll stop now. 03:19:30 what happens if you roll 1 first? 03:20:25 I'll fail? 03:20:34 Well, heck. I attempt to make freenode sapient. 03:20:45 Darn, rolled a 14. I attempt to make freenode sapient. 03:20:55 Darn, rolled a 1. So what happens? 03:21:07 I ATTEMPT TO REMOVE IHOPE'S HEAD AND EAT IT WITH A NICE CHIANTI. 03:21:10 OH LOOK, I ROLLED A 20 03:21:13 SAY BYE TO YOUR HEAD 03:21:28 only 19 heads to go 03:21:32 Bye, head. 03:21:38 I didn't know I had 20 heads. 03:21:43 * ihope grows two more 03:22:10 I've always wanted to think about 21 things at once. It ranks right up there near my ultimate lifetime goal. 03:22:31 * oerjan refuses to take the bait 03:22:49 * GregorR agrees with oerjan. 03:22:49 You don't have to ask. I can just begin a sentence with "Namely,". 03:23:28 * oerjan hides behind a big rock 03:23:29 Namely, to jump out of a bus window, catch a paper that flew out and achieved a height of at least 10 meters before coming back down, and jump back into the bus through the same window, all while the bus is going down the freeway at 60 miles per hour. 03:23:35 Of course, you all knew that already. 03:24:03 that was so absurd i'm thinking you know about a random generator for the stuff 03:24:34 Actually, I spent weeks thinking that up. 03:24:41 actually it doesn't quite fit that - not enough independent parts 03:26:31 My penultimate lifetime goal is to be present at a disaster scene, fall unconscious, get inappropriately triaged as needing immediate medical help, wake up, notice that I have a red piece of tape stuck to me, and yell, "Nurse, I'd like a green one, please!" 03:27:31 that _could_ fit in nicely with the first one 03:27:45 Of course. 03:28:11 These are all fantasy scenes from a potential story, taken out of context and relabeled as lifetime goals. 03:28:38 the nurse of course turns out to be color blind 03:29:34 also, ultimate goal random generator doesn't give any relevant google hits, even removing any word other than "goal" 03:29:43 My antepenultimate lifetime goal is to get surrounded by police officers inside my high school, then charge at one of them, knocking them over and allowing me to escape. My preantepenultimate lifetime goal is to be taking an AP test when my pager goes off, prompting me to yell "Gotta go!" and run out of the classroom. 03:30:07 If you write a random ultimate goal generator, I will wub you forever. 03:30:29 knocking _them_ over? this some kind of domino effect? 03:30:36 Singular "they". 03:31:48 the goal under that would presumably be to find a way of continuing the construction "preantepenultimate" indefinitely 03:32:52 The one before the preantepenultimate is the penpreantepenultimate, the one before that is the antepenpreantepenultimate, and the one before that is the trasantepenpreantepenultimate. 03:33:35 ic 03:34:09 I'm not sure what the one before that is; I'd have to see what "preantepenultimate" is in Italian. 03:34:58 aha 03:35:26 um you mean what penpreantepenultimate is 03:35:42 oh wait 03:36:02 that was spanish, not italian 03:36:28 Since everyone in #esoteric notices everything, and you know it was Spanish, I'm sure you noticed that I began that with "tras", not "pre". 03:37:01 of course. i also assume you are also reading http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/preantepenultimate 03:37:17 Of course. 03:37:46 the italian could be close, perhaps exactly the same 03:38:22 actually spanish tras = italian tra 03:38:26 Cool. 03:39:03 (or fra) 03:39:41 hm wait 03:39:51 I'm going to take back what I said and say that the thing before preantepenultimate is nigh-preantepenultimate. 03:40:03 those are obviously originally the same but they don't mean the same thing 03:44:54 http://members.tripod.com/~mrpuzuzu/plan.html looked promising but i think it may need some improvement 03:48:08 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | :P. 03:48:51 optbot: ah, you liked it too? i guess it will be useful to you now that you are sentient 03:48:51 oerjan: because the actual cells used by the program are 2 and 4. 03:49:06 optbot: fiendish 03:49:07 oerjan: I should grab that one implementation of Scheme for the Palm. 03:49:30 optbot, say something now if you want me to yell at you. 03:49:30 ihope: 0>"olleH"?:#,_@ 03:49:34 You asked for it. 03:49:35 optbot! 03:49:35 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | the entire language is one big race condition, hehe. 03:49:42 Hmm, what language is this? 03:50:09 something concurrent, presumably 03:50:20 Here it is: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Conveyor 03:50:21 or just anything imperative 04:41:58 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 05:22:12 -!- fungot has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 05:22:12 -!- fizzie has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 05:22:12 -!- Deewiant has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 05:22:12 -!- sebbu2 has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 05:27:48 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 05:27:58 -!- fungot has joined. 05:27:58 -!- fizzie has joined. 05:27:58 -!- Deewiant has joined. 06:18:26 -!- HanDongSeong has joined. 06:44:05 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 07:53:26 -!- HanDongSeong has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 07:55:24 -!- HanDongSeong has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:44:59 05:23… × oerjan hides behind a big rock <<< haw haw i misread this 08:45:01 and it was good 08:46:55 i had a dream where i was holding this balloon, and suddenly it started lifting me in the air 08:53:05 INFINITE CONVEYOR 08:53:24 it's so long you can just give up right away. 09:40:21 -!- Mony has joined. 09:40:43 hi 09:48:08 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Not straight after the first.. 09:51:21 optbot, how r u ? 09:51:22 Mony: anyways it probably doesn't qualify as esoteric, simply because its designed to be useful ;) 09:51:48 i think u're right bot ;) 09:54:24 smart bot such a pretty bot 09:54:30 * oklopol pats 09:54:41 hi oklopol 09:54:55 hi Mony 10:02:22 hi HanDongSeong 10:03:24 hi HanDongSeong ;) 10:03:32 hi 10:03:53 how are you 10:04:23 If there are any heads with an equal or lower value than the card being placed, it must be placed on one of them. ||| If the player cannot place a card normally (that is, if there are no heads with a value greater than or equal to the value of the card) 10:04:32 i think i'm misunderstanding something here 10:04:39 GregorR: explain time 10:04:50 in terms of space. 10:08:16 GregorR: am i getting this right, the first part of hydra is effectively random, because you don't know whether your actions hinder or help you, because you don't know the cards of anyone 10:08:17 then 10:08:38 after the first deck has been dispersed, it's about remembering your discard pile 10:08:45 and the discard piles of others 10:09:16 strategically of course, i doubt it's anything but a game of luck played with humans 10:10:10 GregorR: how come you're not responding to my highlights? if you're asleep just wake up sheesh... 10:10:31 sun is up there, even though you may not see it from where you're at. 10:11:00 but saying "it's night where i live!" is like saying "i gotta go to sleep because my curtains are closed" 10:11:06 it simply makes no sense 10:11:12 man, just open the drapes 10:11:14 move to finland 10:11:21 so 10:11:52 i think it's coffee time, i'm not imaginative enough for monologues anymore 10:12:13 i recall the times of glory when i'd just fill pages and pages of random content from the backside of my brain 10:12:21 it was fun, fun time they were, indeed yes 10:12:30 now coffee -> 10:12:35 *time 10:12:37 that was a typo. 10:13:42 *times 10:13:57 heh, that was too :-) 10:14:01 now really coffee -> 10:14:37 and hi HanDongSeong 10:14:45 coffee powa 10:15:03 coffee makes it all seem worthwhile 10:15:30 oklopol, it took some *time* to say that, man 10:15:30 (I hate coffee, I prefer milk) 10:17:47 HanDongSeong: well at first i was not going to hi you, because i didn't hi Mony either just before that until he hied me first. and i've seen him more times than you so it wouldn't have been fair 10:18:08 but than i realized your nick is effing awesome 10:18:26 it's Korean 10:18:42 yes it's awesome because it may actually not be nonsense 10:19:18 oklopol, what does it mean to you? 10:19:19 what does it mean? 10:19:24 err nothing 10:19:50 then why do you think it's f-ing awesome 10:20:01 "han" is swedish for "he", "dong" is a cock, "seong" could be a typoed sone; i think this means "he sings about cocks" 10:20:06 but you never know 10:20:11 *typoed song 10:20:17 syntactically 10:20:19 awesome 10:22:07 HanDongSeong: what does it mean? :) 10:22:27 because if i was right, i'm going to take that awesomeness comment back, and also retract my hi 10:22:48 okay... so a lot of people are telling me that dong means cock in their languages... 10:22:59 means cock in english. 10:23:08 in case of my name, Dong is supposed to mean a "pillar" 10:23:27 "he sings about cocks" <-- lol 10:23:49 and in Korean, metaphorically it means something forming basis of another thing 10:24:07 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 10:24:16 it strikes as a chinese ding-dong-wiggly-wong word to me. the penis interpretation was only after i separated to capitalized words and tried to find similar ones in random languages i know. 10:25:32 many far-eastern words are finnish onomatopoeia for sounds of bells 10:25:52 Seong used in my name means "to form" or "to constitute" 10:26:09 also for english ones; i guess this is why they stuff like dong sound funny to me, and don't immediately sound like cock. 10:26:19 and we usually have verb after objective in Korean language 10:26:26 oh cool 10:26:41 is it a stack-based language? 10:26:49 do you have lambdas?!? 10:26:57 oh god i wanna learn korean 10:27:06 come to think of it... i guess so? :) 10:27:11 :-) 10:27:22 it's RPN 10:27:31 that's pretty wack. 10:27:34 i want 10:27:40 how about with longer sentences 10:28:15 the girl who was given the ice cream said to the old man with the giant beard that she'd never seen such a large reptile before in her life 10:28:26 can you quickly translate this random sentence and tell me the constituent words 10:28:29 :---) 10:29:39 and Han is my surname... it doesn't really mean something 10:30:17 uhm 10:30:18 okay 10:30:58 do you want me to use IPAs? 10:32:07 wait a sec 10:32:26 mother called. 10:34:43 the translated sentence will be: "아이스크림을 받아든 소녀는 수염이 어마어마한 그 노인에게 그런 커다란 파충류는 난생 처음 본다고 말했다." 10:34:51 how that's pretty 10:34:52 but obviously you can't read it 10:34:54 *wow 10:34:58 obviously not 10:38:55 the first word is ice-cream-eul, where eul (pronounced [ɨl]) is a 'postposition' to mark an objective. ice cream is just ice cream in korean, it's a borrowed word 10:39:26 figures 10:44:21 second one... pronounced [padadɨn], originally a verb '받아들다' meaning 'to take and hold', and here modified as a 'pre-noun'. you can regard it as an adjective 10:44:44 ... 10:44:47 loldong 10:45:08 speaking of which 10:45:17 'rodong' means labor in korean 10:45:52 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("So, how much do you love noodles?"). 10:45:56 thus the name of governing party of North Korea, Joseon Rodongdang 10:46:59 rodongdang sounds a bit belly too, "dong dang" is definitely something a bell would say. 10:47:18 but, enough with the belittling your language, do continue with the example 10:47:19 :P 10:48:06 and what's "ro"? 10:48:57 means "all" in lojban, i'm sure there's a connection 10:49:30 not like western ones, korean is a syllable-oriented language 10:50:04 i'm not sure what that means 10:50:22 it means one syllable has very many meanings, and it's meaning can only be told when it is composed with other syllables 10:51:50 given only 'dong', you can't tell anything, since it really can be a lot of things 10:51:50 right, right 10:51:53 like japan? 10:52:44 in japanese dictionaries they usually list the things a syllable *doesn't* mean 10:52:48 no kidding it's true. 10:53:12 hm *japanese 10:53:26 em.. in japanese, you usually need two or more syllables to express one morpheme 10:53:43 that may be 10:53:46 i don't know japanese 10:53:49 a morpheme with only one syllable is quite rare in japanese 10:54:07 i've just read part of this kanji book, and for instance KO is listed for about 50 words 10:54:15 it means everything 10:54:18 however in korean a morpheme is often one syllable 10:54:36 yeah that's the point 10:55:02 that's the point of syllable-orientation or the point of why japanese doesn't have unisyllable morphemes? 10:55:33 actually these two languages are very very similar... because of the colonization, which happened just about 60 years ago 10:55:45 i see i see 10:56:08 i thought korean was substantially... weirder :) 10:56:09 what i mean is in japanese they tend to have more syllables 10:56:19 as in sounded more foreign to western ppl 10:56:48 in terms of irregularity, korean is weirder, yeah 10:57:14 anyway either break down the example or ask for a smaller one, i wanna see how stacky it is :P 10:57:48 the crocodile without teeth did not enjoy his tea 10:58:11 you mentioned ko in japanese, and almost same thing applies to dong in korean 10:58:35 (this, of course, happens right after the first scene with the girl, little girls are the tea of crocodiles) 10:59:30 wat 10:59:57 pikhq: btw don't read this, i don't want to hear how wrong i am about the few things i said about japanese. 11:00:04 Slereah2: wat wat? 11:00:39 "little girls are the tea of crocodiles" 11:01:29 dong can refer to.... east, movement, child, bronze, winter, freezing, pillar, the pupil of the eye, ... 11:01:32 you know, girl sees crocodile, crocodile eats girl, doesn't like his tea, is killed by man with beard, who then eats the ice cream and leaves the little girl crying (it was her ice cream after all) 11:02:11 HanDongSeong: well all those words mean "cock" in english, so i guess it's kinda reverse syllable-oriented. 11:02:38 Korea is full of dong 11:02:44 yes. 11:02:45 "so, like, then i totally Froze her with with my Bronze Child" 11:03:00 Hawt 11:03:04 Dong is one kind of administrative district in South Korea. 11:03:06 "wow, you really Wintered her with your Movement?" 11:03:11 that's why S Korea is full of dong. 11:03:29 "yeah, totally Pillared the Pupil of Her Eye" 11:03:42 stop 11:04:07 sorry, just demonstrating english to you. 11:04:25 well 11:04:28 the urbandictionary dialect 11:05:07 oklopol 11:05:10 Bro grab! 11:05:28 what does that mean? 11:05:45 Go to the urbandictionary 11:06:07 oh is it a synonym for East? 11:06:32 okay then, i'll give you a totally uncockifiable meaning of dong. Dong sometimes means a paulownia tree! 11:07:03 ... 11:07:08 have you ever seen a tree? 11:07:18 it's a recursive cock, man 11:07:27 an effing cock fractal 11:07:39 of course, i'm not sure what paulownia is 11:08:02 how can east mean cock 11:08:25 EAST SIDE RULES! 11:09:02 HanDongSeong: on this channel people whose nicks start with an "o" are generally joking 24/7 11:09:29 right, optbot? 11:09:30 oklopol: or related to the instruments and the arrangement. 11:09:33 haha 11:09:38 that guy cracks me up 11:10:07 well, what i wanted to see was you desperately trying to connect them but okay.. 11:10:18 oh, good 11:10:32 it's a bit sad when people think my trolling is real 11:10:43 let's try. 11:11:52 well, okay, one of the stereotypes of eastern ppl is that they're small; i'm sure this is enough for calling your little man the eastern dude, which could abbreviate to "east" 11:12:21 also for now on my penis will be called the eastern dude, i don't care how racist that is. 11:12:25 .. 11:12:26 *from 11:12:57 The eastern Pauloma Tree 11:13:02 Paulownia 11:13:06 also south absolutely means cock already, as the cock is in the south 11:13:09 The eastern tree 11:13:12 but once it's erected 11:13:14 it's east. 11:13:25 Your cock is twisted oklopol 11:13:29 Let me straighten it up 11:13:30 lol 11:13:40 it's actually quite common to have your penis twist a bit to the left. 11:14:13 and no, i don't need you to reassure or counterexample that. 11:14:38 Let mejust get the scanner 11:14:57 I'll show you a man's pupil of the eye 11:15:39 i'll promise to look if you make a fractal out of it. 11:15:55 HanDongSeong: btw did you come here for esolangs? 11:16:08 A fractal requires an infinite number of iterations 11:16:14 I don't have that much time 11:16:18 most of the time it's just jokes, sex and befunge. 11:16:41 who's mister dong by the way? 11:16:49 What is your esolang, mister dong 11:17:37 Slereah2: shoudn't you physicists be excellent at analysis? infinite is nothing if you have infinite nothings-on-average 11:18:05 My dong is not nothing, though 11:18:32 oklopol, i proposed the idea of udage 11:18:38 hmm 11:18:42 i've heard of that 11:18:43 udage? 11:19:01 http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Udage 11:19:01 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Udage 11:19:17 http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Udage 11:19:24 Why is the memory called udage? 11:19:41 Slereah2, RTFA! :) 11:20:05 But it's long and full of stuff I don't understand :( 11:20:05 the links are all broken, though 11:20:13 Computer science ended in the 60's for me 11:20:20 And it's all theoretical shit 11:20:27 The tape is a linear memory space with unbounded cells, each containing a bit value, 0 or 1. <<< unbounded number of? 11:20:34 yeah 11:20:45 because an unbounded bit is actually not that unbounded :P 11:20:56 It means your 1 can be as big as you want 11:20:57 my English was (and is, maybe) really horrible back then 11:21:01 Example : 11:21:05 /| 11:21:07 | 11:21:07 | 11:21:10 __ 11:21:46 Slereah2, the idea is simple. it is "pattern-based." the code AAAABA and BBBBAB means the same thing. 11:21:57 'kay 11:22:15 enabling to compose an esoteric song 11:22:16 HanDongSeong: that actually sounds remotely interesting 11:22:18 i mean the door part 11:22:36 but i'd have to click on the link to get more details :< 11:22:52 sorry for that 11:22:58 http://gs30ng.exca.net/udage/specification 11:23:06 which button do i press now :-) 11:23:18 http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=lsvfhW857PA 11:23:23 the free hosting service i used was blown off 11:23:31 "Doosan Daewoo" 11:23:33 heh 11:24:10 that's probably the most famous girl on the tube. 11:24:29 i rate spam pages for google, i call her spam girl 11:25:43 http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Glypho could be easier to understand 11:26:44 the symbol-independence is quite a simple concept, i was more interested in the doors 11:26:59 it's... nothing 11:27:02 Well, I hope so. I don't have a korean keyboard! 11:27:10 the doors are nothing? 11:27:18 just think about the pointer of bf 11:27:22 huh? 11:27:48 oh 11:28:03 i thought they were doors to the *code* 11:28:06 Glypho, hm, what input encoding is used? 11:28:10 dang. 11:28:12 is a symbol = a byte 11:28:14 *dong 11:28:37 or is it an unicode codepoint (after parsing the utf8= 11:28:41 s/=/)/ 11:29:31 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 11:29:54 i think one symbol should be one unicode character (like Udage does), but it's up to the author, and he's not here anymore 11:30:24 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 11:30:30 ah well 11:30:31 -!- Slereah2 has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 11:30:34 he was here while i was working on Udage, and was inspired by it 11:31:21 HanDongSeong, does Udage use utf8 or ascii? 11:32:08 AnMaster, you mean the code? 11:33:31 utf8 is recommended, although ascii characters (not even all of them) are enough to write programs 11:34:23 What's the minimal amount of char you can use? 11:34:50 actually that's an interesting topic 11:35:08 HanDongSeong, point is you need to know the charset used for the source file 11:35:10 consider: 11:35:13 åååö 11:35:27 i got it 11:35:28 wait that is the glypho 11:35:30 not udage 11:35:34 * AnMaster checks udage syntax 11:35:47 AABC == ÅÅÄÖ 11:35:49 for example 11:35:51 for the udage 11:35:52 AnMaster, no, that's enough, i got your point 11:36:18 except if the interpreter used char * it wouldn't work 11:36:23 it would read bytes 11:36:27