< 1224979203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, just look at it < 1224979207 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers there were fresh apples around < 1224979214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh? < 1224979247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell got a kind of messy syntax too, but F# is way worse < 1224979260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I realise this may upset some people her < 1224979261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here* < 1224979265 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer Haskell's syntax so far < 1224979288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from my landlady's garden < 1224979298 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so i assume < 1224979303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, scheme syntax is way more elegant < 1224979324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there some liskell or something? < 1224979330 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elegant, yes, easy on the eyes, not really < 1224979341 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there is liskell < 1224979394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats AnMaster for insulting haskell syntax ----### < 1224979398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, Prolog one < 1224979400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1224979403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also much better < 1224979425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and I still do it, I think the entire ML family of languages got a horrible syntax < 1224979476 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell's syntax is quite different from ML. it belongs to that Miranda family mentioned above < 1224979513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well Haskell is ugly too < 1224979528 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1224979549 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, Haskell's got a reasonable syntax < 1224979564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too _much_ syntax sugar < 1224979567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell < 1224979576 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks up a C-like syntax for Haskell < 1224979587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prefers prolog like or scheme like < 1224979597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is ok but prolog style or lisp are better < 1224979609 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but it's all superficial; there isn't anthing horrible underneath < 1224979618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, ? < 1224979619 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, Haskell < 1224979642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about those ugly ` everywhere? < 1224979650 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1224979662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hamming = 1 : map (2*) hamming `merge` map (3*) hamming `merge` map (5*) hamming <-- example from wikipedia < 1224979662 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how you're using it < 1224979673 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are superficial too < 1224979673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen them used in lots of Haskell code < 1224979674 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is unusual < 1224979690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using ` is just plain silly < 1224979697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why use a dead key for stuff < 1224979707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes much longer to type < 1224979710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is ugly < 1224979711 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the syntax for making infix operators out of ordinary functions < 1224979715 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: huh? < 1224979719 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a dead key in US keyboard i think < 1224979721 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when was ` a dead key < 1224979733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, on my keyboard ` is Shift-' Space < 1224979733 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is a dead key? < 1224979734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1224979745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't care about i18n then ;P < 1224979780 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could, like, not use infix functions with text names then < 1224979795 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggest a better notation? < 1224979795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, I prefer scheme, there are no strange ones < 1224979802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C got AltGr-7 for { < 1224979810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is not very i18n friendly either < 1224979821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme seems to be very i18n friendly < 1224979827 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could write the above without te backquotes in LISP style instead < 1224979832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just Shift-8 and Shift-9 < 1224979841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, ok < 1224979852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, still to much syntax sugar < 1224979854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hamming = 1 : merge (merge (map (2*) hamming) (map (3*) hamming)) (map (5*) hamming) < 1224979859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better have one way to write everything < 1224979864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for very common stuff < 1224979868 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the infix merge really helps in that case < 1224979876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like (quote (x)) and '(x) < 1224979878 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I dunno < 1224979879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a valid one < 1224979897 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currying is very nice, even though you could use lambda < 1224979917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp is the solution to every problem :P < 1224979923 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: haskell doesn't use lists as source code in the same way < 1224979927 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it definitely makes things more readable in the case of things like `isPrefixOf` and maybe `fmap` < 1224979933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, that is another downside < 1224979942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, harder to write < 1224979951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like i18n friendly languages < 1224979952 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for you with your dead keys :) < 1224979963 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the price of lists as source code is lists as source code < 1224979973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme has ` too, remember < 1224979975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, and Finnish, and Norwegian (iirc) and Danish and so on < 1224979976 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use AltGr for those < 1224979985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, and lots and lots of non US/UK users < 1224980001 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a function with two arguments, you need a way to seperate the arguments and a way to specify what the function is < 1224980006 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an infix operator does both at once < 1224980009 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there's even a UK keyboard which has ` as a dead key < 1224980025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ok scheme has ` in macros, but I don't use scheme macros a lot since they are messy < 1224980043 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :` is not just for macros < 1224980046 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can avoid ` in Haskell too if you like < 1224980055 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's useful for building lists with lots of fixed parts < 1224980066 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in LISP-likes, you must seperate the operands with space, which is not as distinctive as an operator < 1224980070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm ok, never used it outside macros < 1224980071 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! < 1224980072 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | oh... darn, (a (5)) isn't considered a special form since what is evaluated and what is not is decided at the beginning of the eval-function... < 1224980072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also not much use for quasiquote/unquote if you use syntax-rules macros or some-such; just in defmacro-like "raw code transformers" things. < 1224980098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, look in C-like language I write foo(bar, quux) so that is , space < 1224980105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better just a space < 1224980118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a , only isn't as readable < 1224980151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed < 1224980157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I normally avoid all macros < 1224980187 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | You have to use hacks to make CSS do the right things in different browsers. < 1224980195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1224980199 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I've made undead (zombified?) the two dead keys (acute+grave-accent and umlaut+tilde+hat) the Finnish (and I guess Swedish too) keymap has, since I type ^, ~ and ` a lot more often than accented characters. < 1224980245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, would seriously confuse the random other users of this computer :/ < 1224980261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just in my personal xkb configuration. < 1224980264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good idea < 1224980270 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although this computer doesn't have any other users either. < 1224980277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, care to paste it? < 1224980283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what about {} ? < 1224980297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how would you use the dead key ones when you need them < 1224980303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I do occasionaly < 1224980311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally* < 1224980340 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure; there are some xkb layout-switcher thingies that put a small icon in the system tray for that. < 1224980395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, would this be in .xmodmaprc ? < 1224980446 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a xkb "variant" of at least the fi keymap called "nodeadkeys". Seems like I've put it into xorg.conf here, but the same effect should be achievable by just arranging for "setxkbmap fi nodeadkeys" to be executed somehow. < 1224980472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I do sometimes use dead keys so < 1224980474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1224980502 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could configure some keyboard shortcuts to fiddle with the mapping. That of course depends on the desktop environment in use. < 1224980515 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use awesome on this box, which is pretty rare, I guess. < 1224980619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, kde < 1224980641 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in KDE I'm pretty sure you can just use the configuramation places to configure a per-user keyboard layout setting. < 1224980654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1224980655 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be pretty strange if it wasn't a per-user thing. < 1224980673 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to bed < 1224980688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, It messes with my xmodmap < 1224982695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1224990749 0 :ihope!n=Peggy@c-24-11-80-13.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1224990755 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, #esoteric. < 1224990757 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Warrigal < 1224990764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, what? < 1224990836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, Hi < 1224990860 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't believe oerjan doesn't know who Warrigal is < 1224990861 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The skull on my desk is from the same family as the warrigal. < 1224990872 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would oerjan know who Warrigal is? < 1224990885 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh, right. < 1224990889 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION found no proper names < 1224990914 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, can't you at least figure it out? < 1224990943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found definitions, but no proper names < 1224990943 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked for a canine skull, and got a vulpine skull. Still canid, though. < 1224991005 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably, either Sgeo or Warrigal arrived soon before Sgeo said "hi Warrigal". < 1224991040 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no Warrigal here < 1224991070 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, his nick isn't Warrigal. < 1224991117 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: so you were foxed? < 1224991138 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so. < 1224991167 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how easy it is to get the skull of a warrigal. < 1224991169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We apologize for the delay in our pun service) < 1224991203 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigals are "vulnerable", according to the IUCN Red List, according to Wikipedia. < 1224991262 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they can be trapped and poisoned in some areas. < 1224991420 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So probably not more than a couple hundred dollars. < 1224991496 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1224992246 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fox skulls on eBay are pretty cheap, it seems. I wonder if shipping can be $30 for a $20 item. < 1224992291 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1224992292 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you looking for fox skulls < 1224992401 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just wondering how much they cost, really. My fantasies include buying a dingo skull (none of those on eBay) and... I dunno. < 1224992570 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fantasies? < 1224992583 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you're not buying those for anything immoral. < 1224992825 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1224992848 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What immoral things could you do with a skull, apart from scaring people? < 1224992963 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope : Are you willing to see NSFW pictures as an answer < 1224992982 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1224993043 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, you will never know :o < 1224993081 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless grinding it into a powder, dissolving the powder in acid, and sprinkling the mixture on flowers is NSFW. < 1224993160 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not. < 1224993438 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cat is now sniffing the skull intently and licking it a little. The lower jaw's going to fall out from under it if she keeps touching it like that. < 1224993457 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it still smells like either a fox head or glue. < 1224993524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know if a cat is hallucinating anyhow? < 1224993534 0 :kwertii!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bye" < 1224993553 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it meows about giant mice < 1224993592 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's responding to absent stimuli, it's hallucinating? < 1224993610 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you ask? < 1224993626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case that was glue < 1224993659 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more likely that it smells of glue than that she's hallucinating that it smells of glue. < 1224993666 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cats always respond to inexistant stimuli < 1224993714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, maybe she's getting high on it < 1224993772 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1224993795 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any glue on it is at least a few days old, perhaps many years old. < 1224993837 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. go make a lolcat picture or something. < 1224993844 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION offers her the foramen magnum, that being where the brain went < 1224993869 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it mostly smells like me. < 1224993878 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my school. < 1225001787 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Not sure what ACPI is, though. heard the term, but I don't know what it is. I'm silly, < 1225002137 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1225003358 0 :peek_you!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1225003424 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1225003774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :) < 1225003779 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm off -> < 1225005164 0 :kt3k!n=stibium_@FL1-122-130-193-58.kyt.mesh.ad.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1225005447 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... F#'s syntax really is annoying < 1225006130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err is it a functional language? < 1225006201 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F#isnt functional at all i think < 1225007121 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no sorry i was thinking of another language < 1225007515 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amaj7 perhaps? < 1225007557 0 :mental!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: yes :( < 1225007568 0 :mental!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lament < 1225007631 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1225007637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't i have a cool anagram < 1225007676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i was oclopock, i could have "cockpool" < 1225007697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lockpool is easier, but that makes no sense < 1225007838 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocklopol. < 1225007887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklokok < 1225007943 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, how boring, I have... aszalt, meaning dried/parched/desiccated :) < 1225007995 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have "Inject Icky Rim" < 1225007999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1225008000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1225008025 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1225008130 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, my irl name has the anagram "i loves all" < 1225008153 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name "daniel stanley" has the best anagram: "needs it anally" < 1225008297 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1225008305 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should change my name to daniel stanly < 1225008308 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i loves all" huh < 1225008345 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your last name is an anagram of either sole or sola < 1225008449 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well i said that partle because i knew you'd start wondering about my name (assuming it's not in my whois, i haven't checked) < 1225008452 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*partly < 1225008463 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1225008554 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so whats your last name huh? < 1225008565 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should know, if im gonna be your slaveboy < 1225008619 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name is nothing special, but my phone number is FETUS-71 < 1225008628 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://dialabc.com/words/search/ ) < 1225008875 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cell # has nothing like that < 1225008963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1225009043 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r01jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1225009106 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@207-118-43-165.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1225009488 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(haha i'm also "loli slave") < 1225009585 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1225009679 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the anagram engine didn't know the term "loli" for some reason < 1225009685 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why < 1225009699 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too, i should ask them to add it < 1225009734 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1225009868 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, googling "loli slave"... < 1225009888 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1225009901 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My original loli slave amputee story < 1225009954 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1225012495 0 :oklocod!n=nnscript@a91-153-125-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1225012514 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1225014396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, F#? Pronounced as F-blunt right? < 1225014419 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@k-13.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1225016576 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made some befunge-commentation javascript: http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.html < 1225016577 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i cannot assume good faith and leave it. peace. user:deeceevoicedeeceevoice 15:20, 23 nov 2004 ( utc) fnord < 1225016617 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't added much comments, but you can see the format in http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot-hl.txt -- all that is parsed with client-side javascript to make that thing. You should be able to click on the regions and see the comment text. < 1225016617 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: negative liberty means freedom from interference. classical liberalism is the opposite of social conservatism. ' ' google" and ' ' must" be added to the article. < 1225016634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it probably only works in FF3, because I suck at cross-browser-stuff and that's what I used to write it. < 1225016882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh? < 1225016915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1225016927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I can view comments in ff2 < 1225016972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, in konq 3.5.x the green and blue aren't transparent < 1225016980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't see what it comments < 1225016985 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1225016998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also is it suppoed to not be scrollable? < 1225017020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrollwheel doesn't work < 1225017020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd < 1225017028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scrollbar does work < 1225017041 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have one or two scrollbars in there? < 1225017047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, two < 1225017055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in both ff2 and konq < 1225017069 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, actually in FF3 too; I broke the height calculation when I added some padding in the top panel. < 1225017075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in konq one goes away when I resize, in ff2 it doesn't < 1225017098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll wheel still doesn't work in either < 1225017156 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In here the scroll wheel works if the mouse is in the scrollable region. The top comment-display-area is supposed to stay fixed, and only the code part should scroll. But I have apparently broken it. < 1225017227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it also scrolls sideways in ff and konq < 1225017230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is strange < 1225017236 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I removed the padding now. In FF3 it now works correctly. < 1225017240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering the code "box" is less than 1/3rd < 1225017269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, works in ff2, still no scrollwheel working in konq < 1225017279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"humdidum"? < 1225017301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in the middle of trying to think of something to say there when I noticed the scrolling issues. < 1225017307 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I just wrote something and saved. < 1225017332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1225017335 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe konq does scrollwheel-scrolling only for the page, and not for separate elements of the page. < 1225017348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, possible, but I think it works in text boxes and such < 1225017396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if focus is in a text box I can scroll it < 1225017402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need to click in the text box once < 1225017413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't scroll your page even when I click in it < 1225017419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checked on http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit < 1225017435 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, it's just a
, not a form element which could really have the focus. < 1225017460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway since the green areas are opaque in konq it isn't very usable there < 1225017471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I can't see what they comment < 1225017496 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Those should get the transparency from a dynamically created CSS rule for the corresponding class, which has "opacity: 0.2;" in them. < 1225017506 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the colors get set correctly, I think the CSS rule generation at least works. < 1225017518 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it doesn't do CSS3 "opacity", although that sounds a bit strange. < 1225017520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh you claim to be xhtml 1.1? < 1225017522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fzem.fi%2F~fis%2Ffungot.html < 1225017522 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: according to fnord, the land neighbouring roman gaul. it is meant to work. apparently, they never got fnord 22:54, 29 december 2006 ( utc < 1225017538 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I just copied the page from some earlier one. < 1225017544 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't had time to check for validity yet. < 1225017548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1225017631 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should probably move the javascript part to a separate file anyway. < 1225017642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1225017647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for css < 1225017694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you use PERL btw? If yes my local copy have some changes, it uses fcntl to set "close on exec" flag for SOCK fds < 1225017724 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1225017915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pushes that change < 1225017948 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, down to two errors now. Funny that it doesn't let me use xsi:schemaLocation there -- the start tag looks very much like the example one in http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/conformance.html#strict < 1225017981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm www.w3.org times out.... < 1225018002 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I get the same error from the validator if I copy-paste the "example of an HMTL 1.1 document" there to a page and try validating that. < 1225018025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I can't load the example. firefox says www.w3.org timed out < 1225018161 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange; it does speak to me. < 1225018181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems firefox is stupid and use same round robin dns entry every time < 1225018188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :193.51.208.69 that is < 1225018215 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also strange that it doesn't allow the "id" attribute in the 'style' node; it is listed in the allowed attributes in the xhtml-modularization document. Oh-well. < 1225018231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you forgot some module? < 1225018323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl -H "Host: www.w3.org" http://128.30.52.38/TR/xhtml11/conformance.html | less works < 1225018331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less < 1225018335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not pretty < 1225018406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that comment app generic enough to be useful for other programs? < 1225018417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it offer some web interface to edit comments? < 1225018437 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, of course not; that's a lot more work. < 1225018450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for both of the questions? < 1225018455 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the latter one. < 1225018458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1225018465 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why it shouldn't work for other programs, though. < 1225018476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, very wide ones? < 1225018478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than tall < 1225018480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe? < 1225018496 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, those would get the side-scrollbar, which might mess up the height calculation somewhat. < 1225018527 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably relatively simple to fix, though. It's just that my CSS-fu is weak. < 1225018533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mycology isn't as wide as my monitor < 1225018539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1400x1050 rocks < 1225018557 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1920x1200 here, but I have only about 60 % of it allocated to the browser. < 1225018562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1225018572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too large < 1225018578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since I don't have it ;P) < 1225018597 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re the opacity in konq, I could trivially fix that by duplicating the underlying text -- then it wouldn't need transparency at all, actually. < 1225018659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be messy in other browsers if you get offset wrong < 1225018659 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll think about doing it that way. < 1225018675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ selecting text is harder then < 1225018692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I have an old konq < 1225018692 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could already be a bit messy if the borders go wrong, and at least ff3 makes text-selecting feel difficult even currently. < 1225018695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.5.x < 1225018698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 4.x at all < 1225018715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, selecting text works very well in ff2 < 1225018727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even within the middle of a green block < 1225018742 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even a selection that spans a block boundary? < 1225018766 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In FF3 it keeps selecting the spaces that are in the block if I try to select there. < 1225018767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if you start inside a block yes < 1225018782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you start outside it wraps around the other way < 1225018784 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this " http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.html Things < 1225018785 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1225018786 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: this guy seriously looks like an old fnord o'brien. maybe this is because every friday and saturday night mainstream media portrays sex workers as the easy target for violence on dull cop shows." totally unnecessary. fnord ( user talk:ironangelalicetalk) 01:59, 4 august 2007 ( utc) < 1225018789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie selecting top and bottom < 1225018798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite strange < 1225018810 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, that's what I get if I start in the middle of the box and try to make the selection go out of it. < 1225018818 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: huh? < 1225018819 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: if it's accurate, i am unsure about the " only to find nothing of the validity of the definition which is appropriate in this page refer to the character if this were better it would belong at national anthem --user:wetmanwetman 05:31, 15 july 2007 ( utc) < 1225018820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, works fine for level 1 boxes < 1225018823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not level 2 < 1225018865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, it is a befunge comment viewer < 1225018871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw for me ; ; work fine < 1225018878 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that strange if you consider the implementation: it's currently done by sticking another "white-space: pre;" div positioned on top of the code text, filled with spaces but with the commented area spaces in suitable tags. < 1225018881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since my funge coding style is very linear < 1225018894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I end up using 11x> at the end of each line < 1225018914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :followed by comments past column 75 or so < 1225018922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to column 100 < 1225018963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah yes copying the selected text doesn't actually work < 1225019004 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about doing it by generating separate (empty) div-rectangles that were just positioned on top of the commented areas, but couldn't figure out a very clean way to specify a constant width for characters (without making those separate boxes too). < 1225019057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I require that using the function to increase text size should work ;P < 1225019097 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could've used tags in the source text, and then some javascript to position the comment-marker-divs using those spans as markers. < 1225019109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1225019212 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least with FF3 the text-size-changing mostly works, although occasionally I get some white or darker-green horizontal lines inside blocks, from overlapping or gaps between the per-line s. < 1225019218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what would that be in HQL? ON EVENT CLICKING ON ELEMENT span DO INVOKE JAVASCRIPT FUNCTION "CommentClicked" WITH ATTRIBUTE id OF THIS ELEMENT AS PARAMETER < 1225019219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1225019286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why is there are but of white space between every row even in the green commented blocks < 1225019290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is each line is green < 1225019298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is some white space between each line < 1225019301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intentional I guess < 1225019305 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there is? There's not in FF3. < 1225019317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah there is < 1225019324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in konq however < 1225019417 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit tricky positioning. I use "line-height: 14px; font-size: 12px;" and then there's one pixel of bottom-padding in the comment colors. It seems to work correcly in ff3 (if I add more padding I get darker-green lines, indicating overlap) but not everywhere, I guess. < 1225019439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is a case of underlap rather < 1225019444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that word exists < 1225019528 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I get "underlapping" too if try without the padding. < 1225019544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want screenshot? < 1225019578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can guess what it looks like. It probably gets fixed if I add one-pixel top-padding too to rows with no top border, but that causes overlapping in ff3. < 1225019595 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the "span markers on the code layer and javascript-positioned empty divs on top" would be more robust, as then I could use the exact position of the next-line box for height. < 1225020980 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1225022516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, http://omploader.org/vdmJ5 < 1225022576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no idea why there is unclickable green inside the blue frame < 1225022589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it says gg1e... < 1225023087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ? < 1225023114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it seems green areas are no longer clickable at all < 1225023124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is a subarea too < 1225023198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two lowest green areas are clickable < 1225023202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no other green area is < 1225023207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this includes the reload one < 1225023244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue yellow and red areas are all clickable < 1225023310 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-254-104.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1225023388 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | so... in the case where the two factors are as big as possible < 1225024639 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1225024662 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be green inside the blue, that's by design; but right, the clicking thing might be a problem. < 1225024708 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the spaces on the second layer (those blue/yellow/red ones) are occluding the green things. < 1225024781 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably redo that with the "absolutely positioned divs with javascript" thing at some point, that way the clickability should be simply based on the ordering of the div boxes. < 1225024797 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "green inside blue" is by design. < 1225024824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about the green not being clickable elsewhere either? < 1225024852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reload green can't be clicked for example < 1225024860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in either firefox or konq < 1225024870 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's strange; that one shouldn't have problems. < 1225024877 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1225024891 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's the second layer box that's occluding it, not the actual spaces. < 1225024910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nor the main one for loading fingerprints < 1225024919 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you can click the right side of the reload box, at least in FF3. < 1225024938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes you can < 1225024946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the one for loading fingerprints you can't click at all < 1225024948 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The width of the second layer comes from that red box, so you can click anything that's more to the right. < 1225024971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that's odd. How comes you could click it when it was blue or yellow? < 1225024985 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Red, blue, yellow are all on the second layer. < 1225025008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well before the red existed you could click green anywhere, even when there was blue < 1225025039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that kind of breaks a lot if it breaks in ff3 too so you'd want to fix it < 1225025056 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'll try with the div-box approach, just not right now. < 1225025167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ bzr ci -m 'Add comments to TOYS for what the function actually does, not just based on official function names.' <-- TOYS have so strange function names < 1225025190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I know they are intercal ones and so on < 1225025228 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1225025230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dayum, all the clocks have gone back < 1225025231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1225025242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's annoying < 1225025251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's annoying is having clocks that automatically change < 1225025253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and clocks that don't. < 1225025255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is confusing < 1225025309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, agreed < 1225025321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most clocks auto change here < 1225025353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is even more annoying is radio-synced clocks that didn't update because of weak signal in the bedroom < 1225025357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is really annoying < 1225025368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to move them somewhere else to get them to update < 1225025387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, right now I know that british time right now = GMT, which is more or less = UTC < 1225025391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apart from some leap second crap) < 1225025408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Sweden went from CEST to CET during this night < 1225025443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in britain, (BST = GMT+1) -> GMT < 1225025446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where GMT ~= UTC < 1225025454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I know < 1225025480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, do uou have the issue with radio-updated clocks that didn't sync too? < 1225025482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you* < 1225025485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did* < 1225025489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, i wouldn't really know :-P < 1225025499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1225025502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of the clocks haven't gone back. < 1225025521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that the clock on this computer is right due to ntp. < 1225025539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my alarm clock can't get signal in my bedroom, have to put it in the window of another room < 1225025550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer clocks of course use ntp here < 1225025578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish os x does what windows did/does; when the clock changes due to daylight savings it gave you an alert box telling you so < 1225025590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nicer than just changing it without telling you. < 1225025599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, huh? Why? It was mentioned in the news paper yesterday iirc < 1225025619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to remind ppl about it < 1225025621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's relevant if you regularly read a newspaper :-P < 1225025638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I do spend on average 20 minutes every day reading the newspaper < 1225025641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so < 1225025662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, don't you? < 1225025672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, well, I'm in England, we don't exactly have a large selection of decent newspapers to choose from. < 1225025677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1225025719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have local paper and one country-wide one. The country wide one usually have better quality, but the local one is useful for local news (duh). < 1225025752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, isn't there one called "Guardian" or so in UK? Heard someone said it was good < 1225025761 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone read the news, it's a bunch of quidditch. < 1225025788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There are a few decent newspapers. However, they all have sites with their articles on and I'm a cheap technophile. :-P < 1225025812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway I see no need for computer to tell me time have changed < 1225025834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I was disoriented when I saw it saying 11:57 when I had just looked at a clock saying 12:57 < 1225025835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1225025849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was actually just 11:00 or so, that's the time now.) < 1225025893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird it always tell me what timezone anyway: < 1225025894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ date < 1225025894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sön okt 26 12:57:14 CET 2008 < 1225025917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sun 11:58" is all I get in the corner, I could change it but that's all I generally ever need to know. < 1225025923 0 :M0ny!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-50-174.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1225025929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh you don't check it from terminal? < 1225025929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1225025933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1225025935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if I can get it to say YYYY-MM-DD. < 1225025948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's easier to shoot my eyes to the corner of the screen than switch to a terminal and type "date\n". < 1225025952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1225025966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL you can get it to speak out the time on the hour < 1225025967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with text to speech < 1225025971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how uselessly amusing < 1225026016 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :splop < 1225026038 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: But not by much. :p < 1225026040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, you can get it to blink the : in MM:SS. < 1225026043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How useless. < 1225026051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YYYYYY AD < 1225026054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I check the time often enough for it to be significant. < 1225026054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be nice < 1225026064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not even the Long Now people go that far. :-P < 1225026067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They use 5 digits.) < 1225026073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "Long now"? < 1225026076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION google < 1225026079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :googles* < 1225026080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Now_Foundation < 1225026135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then... "Ultra-long life, now 10 times longer" < 1225026154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That would be a very boring life. :p < 1225026171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nah life is too short already, too much to do < 1225026190 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a HH:MM in my screen stats-line nowadays. < 1225026200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't want to live for 800 or so years. < 1225026302 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/screen.png < 1225026396 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the timestamps are off a bit right now, I do not need to be notified about that.) < 1225026567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gratuitous Large Screenshot with Gratuitous Blurring of IM Contacts: http://xs432.xs.to/xs432/08430/picture-1770.png (Note that the colours are probably a bit off due to stupid gamma correction crap in png and psd and blaaaaaaaah) < 1225026585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it's probably not noticable.) < 1225026763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And yes, that is Firefox, just with a nicer theme than the OS X default.) < 1225026794 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could take a full-screen screenshot of this too, but since the window manager is awesome -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awesome_(window_manager) -- it would be probably approximately as interesting as that screenshot that's already in Wikipedia. < 1225026916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No love for xmonad? :_p < 1225026918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:-p < 1225026997 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pretty much picked a random tiling wm. < 1225027021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmonad is written in haskell and has an X monad. < 1225027028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a fibonacci-spiral tiling mode < 1225027043 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, awesome has a fibonacci-spiral tiling mode stolen from xmonad, I think. :p < 1225027096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh: [[# The .name Registry may stop forwarding of messages that are larger than 20 MB in size.]] < 1225027101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is some unreliable document from 2004, though.) < 1225027110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not like I send attachments anyway. < 1225027573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, now the fungot page is even worse in konq < 1225027574 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i would like to suggest reverting article back and discuss future changes. by the portuguese in british india. < 1225027591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, same in ff2 < 1225027600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ah, two obsolete browsers. < 1225027609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y offset yes, but x is still at 0 for every of them < 1225027620 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, it's under construction now. < 1225027626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, see? Not related < 1225027637 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let you know if I want someone to test it. < 1225027640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Doesn't mean they aren't obsolete. < 1225027643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh and there is a tiny green overlap now in ff2 < 1225027651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'll let you know if I want someone to test it. < 1225027653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right < 1225027671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes? It got here toe same second as I send my line < 1225027673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it? < 1225027687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was already pressing enter by then < 1225027690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It got here a second before. :p < 1225027712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well here it didn't, and you can't assume such things about other ppl's connection < 1225027718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I can. :D < 1225027735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes no sense however < 1225027741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is a false assumption < 1225027759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming that your message would come first is also an assumption that may be incorrect. < 1225027788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1225027816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never assumed anything about anyone's connection except that lag is less than 30 seconds < 1225027855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so what did you mean with your last comment ( Assuming that your message would come first is also an assumption that may be incorrect.) ? < 1225027884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were to say that IRC was unordered, thus having no ordering assumptions, I could not follow any conversations. < 1225027934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can know that two messages are in relative order to each other the way your server saw it. You can at most get an offset of one message in any given convo I think. < 1225027981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't see a response by A on a message from B that you haven't yet seen < 1225028019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is due to the spanning tree protocol. Should a mesh network be used instead it would not however be valid < 1225028031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be a valid assumption* < 1225028055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also two messages from the same sender always arrive in relative order < 1225028637 0 :kt3k!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CHOCOA" < 1225029384 0 :Linus`!n=LinuS@net-93-145-211-205.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1225029422 0 :Linus`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1225030889 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1225031300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how do you people generate passwords. < 1225031313 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python < 1225031319 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprise! < 1225031354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I don't have your brain, I can't remember dsfjkshdfiury7834687ryfhf. < 1225031355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1225031360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my current password is le suck. < 1225031388 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i generate only like 8-10 char passwords usually < 1225032181 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.html is now built with divs positioned with messy messy javascript, and therefore should be clickable in all the right places. There's still (in ff3) some empty spaces between lines that need fixing, and it's quite useless if the browser doesn't support css3 "opacity". < 1225032181 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the content of the societies in question ( fnord kind of race riot seattle produced was different, and that it can be added to the actual memo, is a synonym of ' country' in the fnord < 1225032322 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should indicate the clicked block somehow, also. < 1225032346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how do YOU generate your passwords < 1225032346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1225032352 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, what's that, fizzie < 1225032352 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1225032357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: commented fungot < 1225032358 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: please note that it's not intentional, i have also posted a picture on this link: fnord < 1225032360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click on the blockies < 1225032377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: make the clicked block darker background < 1225032391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also make them a wee darker on hover over, so it's more obvious how to use it? < 1225032437 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i know it's commented fungot, but what i was wondering was if that was the output of a program made for commenting befunge < 1225032438 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: the polygamists tract is word-for-word from a tract tony alamo wrote. the fnord is a useful reframe option from the behaviour to the intent for the behaviour). likewise you can have " homo sapiens" redirect to " human" and mg and i can see that there is a very widely used in britain. fnord wang yu: version 2 05:12, 30 may 2006 ( utc < 1225032443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: yes < 1225032447 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1225032458 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, then i've missed something i wouldn't have wanted to miss < 1225032463 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should start reading the logs. < 1225032470 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sort-of, if you call the javascript thing a program. There's no real editor to make those comments, though. < 1225032489 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: It just uses a manually written file -- http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot-hl.txt -- to outputize it. < 1225032489 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what do y'all think? -user:silencesilence 21:31, 28 january 2008 ( utc)/small!-- template:unsignedip !--autosigned by sinebot-- < 1225032503 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah i see < 1225032509 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay that's much less interesting < 1225032518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: why? < 1225032520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still befunge commented < 1225032524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just you write it in a weird format < 1225032545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't imagine you'd want an actual interface oklocod : < 1225032545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1225032547 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to make the hoverization at some point. It's just that the nonrectangular blobs are built out of many divs, so I can't just stick .hl:hover { opacity: 0.4; } in there, otherwise it only darkens one part of it. < 1225032562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Your system kind of sucks. :D < 1225032567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But < 1225032573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give each comment block an id in the class < 1225032576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like comment-34 < 1225032581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then .comment-34:hover .hl < 1225032621 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i was very interested in seeing a befunge ide < 1225032628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna write one < 1225032630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometime. < 1225032632 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for it < 1225032640 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna write everything sometime. < 1225032664 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my goal is to make the perfect programming language, then program everything with it < 1225032668 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that will work; most of the things I've tried have still applied the :hover style only to the single specific div that the mouse is actually hovering above. < 1225032685 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the comment blocks have unique CSS classes, though, so I can do it with a bit of javascript which changes the class opacity. < 1225032749 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there's those ugly inter-line gaps to worry about too. < 1225032814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: border-bottom: 3px solid greeeeeeeen < 1225032815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1225032823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1225032824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will work < 1225032832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use .foo:hover .bar often < 1225032837 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1225032933 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's just "bar"-classed elements that are children of a "foo"-classed div that is being hovered on, isn't it? < 1225032967 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/div/element/ there. < 1225033018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie yes. < 1225033020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i see < 1225033022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, then: < 1225033031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1225033040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: then just .uniqclassthing:hover will work < 1225033053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking
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structure < 1225033054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly i < 1225033093 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I tried that, but it still only changed the opacity of the single div of that class that I was hovering on. (Which is what I think it should be doing, too.) < 1225033102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh, right < 1225033113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can't express that, no < 1225033126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could put those separate divs inside a shared parent, but I can't put the parent anywhere visible (so that it would notice the cursor hovering) because it'd be a rectangular blob and block anything below it. < 1225033149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now how do you generate passphrases? < 1225033160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: um < 1225033163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :div { opacity: 0 } < 1225033167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :div .hl { opacity: 1; } < 1225033170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...should work < 1225033172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not: < 1225033178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :div { background: rgba(0,0,0,0); } < 1225033182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will do it < 1225033187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s/div/therightclass/ ofc) < 1225033229 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it will: if it's "visible enough" so that it notices the cursor hovering above it, it feels like it'd also be visible enough to block elements under it from receiving clicks. Although I haven't tried all possible combinations. < 1225033236 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just javascriptize a bit, it might be simpler. < 1225033246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: z-index? < 1225033251 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and passwords; I just use pwgen and then agonize about someone backdooring it. < 1225033286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1225033299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of passwords does it generate? < 1225033322 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some flags. I usually use the "use really random and symbols too" options. < 1225033346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and how do you memorize them? I'm beginning to think I just have a shite brain :p < 1225033396 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to remember them pretty easily if they are passwords I actually need to use. The others (like random websites and such) I keep on an encrypted volume in a simple text file. < 1225033474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : So how do you people generate passwords. <-- bash script that filters non printable chars from /dev/urandom < 1225033495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, well, that's very nice, and I do that, but then I have to store it somewhere or I forget it in 5 minutes. < 1225033518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yeah I keychain program is useful for random sites < 1225033528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, but then you have to pick a master password. < 1225033544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes and that I don't plan to tell anything about to anyone < 1225033568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Then I'm not sure why you responded to my question as my question was how do you generate memorable passcodes < 1225033603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well the question didn't include the word "memorable" < 1225033607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the reason < 1225033628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously I could have guessed "store them all in a keychain randomly generated". < 1225033637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not rocket science. Generating a human-consumable password is. < 1225033664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably remember a password with symbols in it, but randomly mixed case would likely trip me up. < 1225033669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :login, keychain and gpg key have non-totally-random ones (and so does a few other). Long ones. < 1225033688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering DiceWare. < 1225033694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? what is that < 1225033705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://world.std.com/~reinhold/diceware.html < 1225033710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen some reccomendations for it. < 1225033808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially i'm planning on consolodating everything into what is essentially a keychain < 1225033840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1225033899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The model: i have an ssh & gpg key with the same passcode (only different seperate you can't use one for the other...) - which is memorable but complex, and if someone gets a hold of my machine and that passcode i'm basically fucked (neither of which are likely, unless i pick a really stupid password and go dancing around with this machine in public.). Then I have a file on rutian encrypted with my gpg private key. < 1225033917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that file includes long, randomly-generated, unmemorable passwords. < 1225033921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I use for sites. < 1225033929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I don't even need it on rutian. < 1225033932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just do that. < 1225033938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then some Firefox+FireGPG+Greasemonkey automation < 1225033949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that I can just hit 'login' and enter my gpg passcode if i haven't already that firefox session < 1225033952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1225033969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, a single point of failure (computer+passcode), but an incredibly unlikely one. < 1225033971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, aren't there good existing alternatives? < 1225033973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also convenient. < 1225033976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: like < 1225033977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1225033985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kwallet < 1225033991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for KDE < 1225033997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there are ones for OS X too < 1225034003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OS X has a built-in keychain. < 1225034012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and how secure is it? < 1225034015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Very. < 1225034022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're missing the point absolutely. < 1225034022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why not use that? < 1225034029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok, what is the point? < 1225034030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is that it's tied to my gpg key. < 1225034039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1225034044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why exactly do you want that? < 1225034056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my gpg key & my ssh key and the applications thereof - I trust their security to the highest degree, and I can easily manage them both. < 1225034066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is only natural to build it on top of that. < 1225034077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also more portable than the Keychain, ofc. < 1225034087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you care about that? < 1225034087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'd never actually put it on another machine, naturally. < 1225034100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Why wouldn't i? < 1225034133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no comments < 1225034142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What? < 1225034155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no comments I said. < 1225034158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also afk for a bit < 1225034162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Then why did you say it in the first place? < 1225034171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, let me guess - it was a jab at my OS X usage? < 1225034175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How fresh. < 1225034225 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the fungot.html page has opacity-setting on hoverization and clickation. < 1225034226 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: map you are mentioning is official ( if we are going to contribute to an encyclopedia entry. right now it just reads like an essay rather than an encyclopedia article about science. fnord used science to justify their work to themselves from an ethical perspective by instigating a course at kings ( london) entitled ' the social impact of the fnord < 1225034245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm./ < 1225034252 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go to the lectures if our university had a course called "the social impact of the fnord". < 1225034253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The rollover change is alsmost unnoticable on green blocks < 1225034270 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I may rethink the colors themselves at some point. < 1225034287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very nice, though. < 1225034293 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently it's opacity 0.15 by default, 0.25 when hovering and 0.5 when selected. < 1225034297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'd suggest not having to click, though, actually. < 1225034318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd also make the comment appear from the side, and pop out a line to it from the block, but that's just me. < 1225034332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a pseudo-speechbubble, kinda. < 1225034365 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. Well, I may change it so that it puts the comment up there already without clicking, unless some other block is selected. < 1225034380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems reasonable. < 1225034523 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should comment the rest of fungot too, but it's such a mess. Those green-block-style "this region of code does approximately what" parts are easy, though. < 1225034524 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: an anon made some pov edits to the article, and the ones that went up for trial. also there are gsp+, etc...) for our stuff, also try: < 1225034555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'd also remove the pointer cursor, it kind of flickers a bit sometimes so you could just trash it. < 1225034663 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, with the hover-coloring it's maybe not necessary. < 1225034762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll try diceware. < 1225034784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what? Passwords are stupid. When can I get a brain implant? < 1225035519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;\ < 1225036026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1225036035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what's wrong with using /dev/random with diceware . < 1225036332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "firefox a script is being run for too long..." < 1225036366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also the clickable areas are too faint < 1225036374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are almost white on this monitor < 1225036444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your browser is broken, then < 1225036452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it messes up opacity < 1225036465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no this is not a state-of-the-art monitor < 1225036473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1225036477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite solid. < 1225036482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowhere near white. < 1225036507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, on another monitor yes, I just checked, but not on this consumer TFT from 2003 < 1225036516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1225036552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that shrug mean you don't care about people that can't afford the most modern and high-end stuff? < 1225036561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be ridiculous. < 1225036567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did it mean then :P < 1225036570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're talking about a f*cking HTML page commenting brainfuck code. < 1225036573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/brainfuck/befunge/ < 1225036575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[thinko] < 1225036583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I am, and? < 1225036599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you can't see the background, the borders are easy to see. < 1225036610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no < 1225036618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for me < 1225036626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried in ff3 too, same issue < 1225036631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjust contrast or something then < 1225036646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, doesn't help in either direction < 1225036657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is at 90% already < 1225036659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure you're not looking at a piece of paper? < 1225036674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't help much* < 1225036678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I am < 1225036804 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add configurable opacity-sliders and color-select-o-trons later. :p < 1225036816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Bloat! < 1225036833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, great < 1225037078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YxdlYFCp5Ic wow < 1225037080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes wow. < 1225037088 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to prepare some food now. < 1225037610 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly, I wonder how many "mean geometric figure, stupid geometric figure" webcomics there are. < 1225037634 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of three, if you consider a stick figure a geometric figure. (You don't.) < 1225037649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1225037806 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet another fungot babble-generation source experiment: 1200 transcriptions of Penny Arcade comics. (I'm not any huge fan, but since they were in a wiki...) The data-set is very very small, let's see how it works. < 1225037806 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they just fnord the rest of my life. < 1225037830 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Who's this "they"? < 1225037839 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. < 1225037850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, might be ignoring me. < 1225037854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1225037854 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: fnord fnord, fnord internet fraud division. i understand that we said you would have dsl last week, i fnord kara to hold me until i fell asleep. < 1225037864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're not being very unique. < 1225037864 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: on a scale of one to ten. you fnord' birds or people? we should probably fnord fnord. < 1225037895 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So little material most unknown words are fnords. I could actually remove that vocabulary filtering for this. < 1225037929 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe it's a bit boring since it just quotes stuff, there's not enough material to interestingly combine things. < 1225037968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Feed it the #esoteric logs, grepped for only fungot lines. < 1225037968 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: dots: the dots can be thought of as fnord owned fnord. < 1225038487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hehe < 1225038498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would probably be a too small dataset I guess < 1225038530 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep" < 1225039195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The O_CLOEXEC flag is not specified in POSIX.1-2001, but is specified in POSIX.1-2001." < 1225039196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh? < 1225039207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from man 2 open < 1225039225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1225039234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can tell they meant "2008 draft" for the latter < 1225039316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes a diceware program < 1225039413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :netcat6 got a bluetooth useflag now!? wtf < 1225039422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I have an electronic dice throw generator. Should I use it? < 1225039422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! Unless you know how the electronics generate the randomness and can evaluate its strength, stick to old-fashioned real dice.]] < 1225039424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:( < 1225039425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't have any bluetooth stuff on this computer *turns it off* < 1225039436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I agree with that text < 1225039445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: /dev/random should be secure enough L:P < 1225039448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the dice shouldn't be weighted < 1225039449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although apparently on os x it uses yarrow < 1225039464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember how secure that one is < 1225039467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1225039469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yarrow is pretty darn secure < 1225039476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bruce schneier co-made it :P < 1225039482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is pseudorandom, however < 1225039489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it claims to be cryptographically secure < 1225039493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, well, bruce schneier is probably right. < 1225039536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too paranoid to trust even him < 1225039550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how do you trust the dice makers < 1225039556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't < 1225039562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust anyone < 1225039570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know your fingers don't have a computer chip in them < 1225039576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logging every movement they make to the governmet < 1225039611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you know that? < 1225039633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't. I said I trust *no one* < 1225039651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: then you should stop doing everything because you can't even begin to guess at any possible consequences < 1225039662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go sit somewhere < 1225039677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes which is why you have to do a risk analysis < 1225039685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"likely" "not likely" < 1225039686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1225039695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no way I can know for certain < 1225039704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it may or may not be more or less likely < 1225039724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'd say for a risk analysis: Yarrow, designed by renowned cryptographer Bruce Schneier, and used by several things including every OS X system to generate the cryptographically secure /dev/random source... < 1225039731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can we even know that we aren't alone? Imagining whatever we see, hear and feel? < 1225039732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that's pretty safe to trust. < 1225039744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there some philosophical name for that < 1225039752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, but it's bullshit. < 1225039764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. But is there actually any way to *prove* < 1225039765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1225039772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't "prove" anything. < 1225039774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has nothing to do with trust. < 1225039839 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there's no way to prove anything < 1225039848 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, most likely, nothing is true < 1225039899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets ready to make a diceware password < 1225039909 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose nothing is true. In this case, it is not true that nothing is true. This is a contradiction. Therefore, something is true. < 1225039942 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: and you think you can get me to believe there isn't an error in that proof? < 1225039946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will use the same method for remembering this password as I did my last one. < 1225039955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have a text to speech program read it out to me repeatedly for ages. < 1225039965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing that, I memorized my current password within minutes. < 1225039973 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how about making a memory peg and never forgetting it? < 1225039976 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1225039983 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah guess that works just as well < 1225039984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However: I _am_ going to store this in a 000-permissioned file, and also keep a piece of paper with it. < 1225039991 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: yep. < 1225039996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, someone can break into my house and get access to it, but, you know. < 1225040002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's something I really don't want to lose. < 1225040002 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: yep to what? < 1225040008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Do you have any backups of your passwords anywhere? < 1225040015 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: yes, I think I can get you to believe there isn't an error in that proof. < 1225040021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think of the most important ones; how valuable are they? Could you risk losing them? < 1225040023 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: impossible < 1225040039 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing, i already know it's false, so you'll need some work to convince me < 1225040040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be worth keeping a physical-paper printout of them somewhere secret. < 1225040046 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, because everything is false < 1225040047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mean the master ones? Yes I got a safe < 1225040062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :revoke stuff for gpg keys and such < 1225040068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a safe, but I don't expect my house to be broken in to any time until I can get one :P < 1225040074 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: if everything is false, you're lying to me and I should stop listening. < 1225040089 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: what's the use? you're lying to yourself anyway :) < 1225040106 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: only if you're right. :-) < 1225040119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grabs a silly toy dice. < 1225040121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*die < 1225040142 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope: i'm not right < 1225040151 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm saying is complete bullshit < 1225040203 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glad that's settled, then. < 1225040216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an awful lot of work for protecting a few forum accounts. < 1225040219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it's more convenient in the end. < 1225040221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just remember a few words. < 1225040291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets plan: Put paper with passphrase in plain view and file with it in in plain view until completely memorized. Then, eliminate. < 1225040328 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-254-104.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1225040348 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My passwords are all generated by a simple algorithm. < 1225040357 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully, nobody knows what that algorithm is. < 1225040371 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of give hints every once in a while. I should stop doing that. < 1225040462 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Won't be back for a while..." < 1225040660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. roll here goes. < 1225040692 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean I can say "ROLL 6"? < 1225040695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun POSIX.1-2008 was finished one month ago, I guess too early to start using it though ;P < 1225040708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1225040708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't seem very useful for what I'm doing currently < 1225040713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A six word passphrase sems reasonable. < 1225040718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :77.5 bits of entropy. < 1225040723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 8 at least < 1225040734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I do not need the same password in 2050. < 1225040737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will likely change password regularly. < 1225040742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can change your GPG key password, right?) < 1225040768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[# Five words are only breakable by an organization with a large budget. ]] <- I do not think the government wants to spend a few months pooling tons of computers together to break my password. < 1225040768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1225040770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a hunch, though. < 1225040778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd also, of course, have to know I'd used diceware. < 1225040800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh they know now, *points to clog* < 1225040809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm sure they trawl through logs of this channel daily. < 1225040814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, five words, maaaaaaybe six. < 1225040874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: [[Of course, if you are worried about an organization that can break a seven word passphrase in order to read your e-mail, there are a number of other issues you should be concerned with -- such as how well you pay the team of armed guards that are protecting your computer 24 hours a day.]] < 1225040892 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1225040897 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... < 1225040905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hah yes, but computers are getting faster every year < 1225040917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in a few years small organizations may be able to do it < 1225040918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1225040923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better be on the safe side < 1225040925 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how good are botnets at tackling such things? < 1225040944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If I change my password once every year or two that should not be a problem. < 1225040947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I can increase the size then. < 1225040952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true < 1225040963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five words should do nicely. < 1225040965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For now < 1225040990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 3 tiny toy dice things made of wood, going to cycle between them. < 1225041068 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@net-93-145-211-205.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1225041072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you should check if they give even distribution too < 1225041097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not weighted or anything. < 1225041103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not evenly distributed, but since I'm using 3 separate ones that should not matter. < 1225041144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm not saying they are weighted, but they could be slightly dented, or have uneven density or be just badly made < 1225041166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but since I'm cycling between 3 that should not affect the overall outcome. < 1225041183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they have a bias in total < 1225041194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but :P < 1225041222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if you are paranoid enough to make a distributed dice thrower. you have to be paranoid enough for this < 1225041234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't paranoid for that; it was just novelty. < 1225041245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1225041252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, _any_ five word passphrase is gonna be pretty much unbreakable for the purposes of my personal password. < 1225041276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr. It'd help if I had a bigger surface than my computer desk >:P < 1225041289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my desk is big but that won't help... < 1225041293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just.... full < 1225041301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about the floor? < 1225041301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster please roll my dice for me ;P < 1225041317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.... 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 < 1225041318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The carpet probably wouldn't work too well for that < 1225041323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, thanks! < 1225041324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1225041325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1225041336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i need 25 rolls :P < 1225041337 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes the obligatory Dilbert and Xkcd references < 1225041373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP FALLING ON TO MY KEYBOARD < 1225041435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they did. Now they go for the floor. < 1225041442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only have 5 rolls XD < 1225041444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far < 1225041454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3643214155546564222446366462253162632346435125441234213666516265355442131635412233312211613454326236616444516663352612634122155211423522143451633264164361464 < 1225041456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that? < 1225041464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shush you < 1225041474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than 25 yes < 1225041483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I won't know what subset you select that way < 1225041486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION unplugs mouse < 1225041492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh why? < 1225041502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dice keep hitting the cable. < 1225041508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the floor? < 1225041520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the cable goes in to the monitor, imac remember :-P < 1225041526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh imac < 1225041534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know what sort of mac you had < 1225041590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep thinking "Huh, this is producing the same numbers all the time" until I realise that there's only 6 possibilities XD < 1225041606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um? < 1225041611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 sided dice < 1225041624 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he should roll a d256 instead < 1225041628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g* < 1225041634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, that wouldn't be possible < 1225041636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make < 1225041638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean. < 1225041638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: should be < 1225041647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, each side would be too small < 1225041652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes but it should be possible < 1225041652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1225041654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would effectively be a ball < 1225041681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 words done... < 1225041739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that gives timing information < 1225041741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1225041752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it lets you know that i suck at rolling dice < 1225041753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1225041859 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION offers ehird a big cube of 1000d6 < 1225041873 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I has seen suck things on sale < 1225041876 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*such < 1225041888 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or was it a cuboid of 100d6?) < 1225041893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1225041899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay one word to go < 1225041930 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on whether it was 10x10x10 or 4x5x5. < 1225041932 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1225041987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up numbers < 1225042291 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are d100s generally available. < 1225042294 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They look like a golf ball. < 1225042322 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume you *could* make a d256, which would just be something like a tennis-ball-sized golf ball. < 1225042355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, password chosen < 1225042377 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1225042378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to memorize it. < 1225042381 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Zocchihedron2.jpg has a picture. < 1225042384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it, though. It's pretty: hunter2 < 1225042514 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1225042524 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing like the classics < 1225042548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, april fools idea: A password-generating algorithm that has many steps but guarantees a completely secure, completely memorable password < 1225042553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you follow the steps, you get hunter2 every time < 1225042557 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1225042793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great. Password chosen. Now to change my gpg key to use it. < 1225042841 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't gpg and ssh keys be the same? < 1225042869 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the math behind them was the same anyway. < 1225042969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: That's exactly what I wanted. < 1225042973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the same system, yes. < 1225042980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to use the same passphrase for both. < 1225043032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm: < 1225043034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Changing one's pass phrase often is desirable -- it isn't if you don't < 1225043034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :change your key at the same time]] < 1225043037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make a new key then. < 1225043063 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1225043252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, depends on how you use it < 1225043259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for login you wouldn't need to change key < 1225043263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it wasn't anywhere but here and rutian. < 1225043266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there, new key generated. < 1225043279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1225043284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realises huge stupid flaw in his login system < 1225043288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my public ssh key(s) are in lots of places < 1225043290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets anyone trusted by the gpg system on rutian log in as me < 1225043290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1225043294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fixes < 1225043350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it seems POSIX.1-2008 adds several previously GNU specific functions < 1225043352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1225043369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in 2001 revision GNU was mostly ignored < 1225043386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Linux is more mainstream these days < 1225043517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i've almost memorized my password without even trying ^_^ < 1225043529 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is five random words? < 1225043541 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bits of entropy? < 1225043542 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Asztal, F#? Pronounced as F-blunt right? < 1225043550 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harsh, man < 1225043551 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lol < 1225043558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1225043574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: 77.5 bits of entropy, I believe. < 1225043578 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, F# is pronounced "OCaML.NET" < 1225043578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used diceware. < 1225043583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 25 dice rolls. < 1225043585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://world.std.com/~reinhold/diceware.html < 1225043635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, OCaml is spelled OCaml < 1225043637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not OCaML < 1225043672 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, yeah < 1225043879 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: based on psygnisfive's analysis < 1225044175 0 :Linus`!n=LinuS@net-93-145-211-205.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1225044195 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1225044199 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my analysis?? < 1225044211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : your last name is an anagram of either sole or sola < 1225044218 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1225044230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sent my guess in private :D < 1225044260 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1225044272 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres only like 24 possiblities :P < 1225044284 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1225044287 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess my phone number instead :P < 1225044291 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :48 but effectivly 24 < 1225044297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but there was one that sprung nearly immediately to mind < 1225044326 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe he's told it before though. or maybe it's completely wrong.) < 1225044341 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was that < 1225044375 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slVV seems unlikly, as does lsVV and VVsl and VVls < 1225044387 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not saying in public but a finnish name list made at least the first name very likely < 1225044408 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that rules out 8 possibilities < 1225044413 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my guess has google hits, including facebook < 1225044419 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i know what his first name is < 1225044439 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just forget if its written with an a or an e < 1225044481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name list only had the e version < 1225044521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1225044521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the other also exists < 1225044535 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so his last name islike < 1225044541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :policy: New gpg key & new ssh key & new password for both every jan 1st < 1225044543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems reasonable < 1225044555 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sola or salo or osla or aslo or also or olsa or... < 1225044566 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :losa and laso seem unfinnish to me < 1225044730 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what this net obsession with hiding one's name is for < 1225044743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: beats me < 1225044751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right to vanish? < 1225044783 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, you got it right < 1225044790 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dances around < 1225044796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1225044806 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i *have* told it here, it's not exactly a secret < 1225044811 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is now, of course < 1225044816 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1225044821 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what is it? < 1225044823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that may have been in my memory somewhere then < 1225044840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i would keep it secret too if psygnisfive was stalking me ;D < 1225044848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so I need to write a FOAF file thingy, then I have to write the firefox thingy that logs me in to sites from the gpg-encrypted random-pass file then elliott.hird.name has to be bought. < 1225044849 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stalking? no sir < 1225044851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I shall be happy. < 1225044852 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls that Oklo is where the 2000000000-year-old nuclear reactor is < 1225044863 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im oklopols slaveboy! < 1225044883 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: APOSTROPHE! < 1225044884 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean that natural reactor somewhere in ghana? < 1225044896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor < 1225044902 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sl" is a bit unfinnishy too < 1225044932 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: I AM A LINGUIST. DO NOT TREAD IN PLACES YOU DO NOT BELONG. < 1225044939 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: not that many here are hiding their name; and i'm not either, in general < 1225044954 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: when psygnisfive listed those, i though "Olsa" sounded a bit finnish but the only hits were someone babbling in turkish < 1225044956 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just i happened to tell the anagram, and i knew psygnisfive would die to know it < 1225044960 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm hiding my name. it's too hideous for human eyes < 1225044966 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so if sl is unfinnishy that rules out all the slVV, VslV, and VVsl versions. not like the last one wasnt unpredictably bad < 1225044970 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsa sounds a bit like swedish maybe < 1225044987 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | you awake? < 1225044989 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: sola would be norwegian < 1225044998 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sola is a finnish word < 1225045011 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1225045022 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means like a... very small canyon, fizzie or someone can translate, i don't feel like googling < 1225045047 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so its not slVV, VslV, and VVsl, nor VVls, VlsV, nor lsVV, so those rule out all but < 1225045052 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so psygnisfive: why can't the last name have an i? < 1225045063 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VsVl, sVlV, lVsV, and VlVs < 1225045073 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt your FIRST name have an i? < 1225045086 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err based on what? < 1225045096 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on you told me your first name? :P < 1225045102 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did? < 1225045105 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1225045109 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you *know* my first name okay < 1225045111 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rrright < 1225045120 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the girly did < 1225045124 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might explain why you haven't considered vola or something :P < 1225045125 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shes nicer. >| < 1225045134 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah maybe you should stalk her instead? < 1225045137 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1225045143 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but shes not a guy < 1225045146 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who does esolangs < 1225045150 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has a massive finnish cock < 1225045151 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1225045153 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i wonder if that yogurt is still good for eating < 1225045156 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one im just guessing but < 1225045164 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1225045167 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't wanna brag < 1225045168 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->' < 1225045178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->' is this a pictorial representation of your penis? < 1225045178 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your cock is the size of an apostrophe? < 1225045178 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1225045181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to scale? < 1225045208 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you're not as fast as me, when it comes to fawning over penises. < 1225045211 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what size font? < 1225045212 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : '. <- my cock, next to the Earth < 1225045214 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to try harder < 1225045260 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: i find it hard to believe that you could've found enough food to grow a penis that large, especially given that human tissue is about 75% water, and that would have more water than is on and in the earth < 1225045262 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1225045291 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't grow it < 1225045295 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was always like that < 1225045299 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch is psygnisfive applies logic inappropriately < 1225045303 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as < 1225045320 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor lament; for he can have no sex life < 1225045324 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:19:01 ehird: ->' is this a pictorial representation of your penis? < 1225045324 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:19:02 psygnisfive: but your cock is the size of an apostrophe? < 1225045325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: hey hey don't be so negative. here we have the solution to all the world's water shortages < 1225045325 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, your sense of humor sucks. you should watch big bang theory. < 1225045325 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you have no idea < 1225045327 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: he's faster. < 1225045340 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: genius! :o < 1225045344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually SimonRC's sense of humour is better than psygnisfive's < 1225045349 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sex life is limited, i only know one woman who's big enough < 1225045352 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...YOUR MOM < 1225045354 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you're closer to him then. < 1225045360 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got ehirds after i sent mine < 1225045381 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :visible network size :o < 1225045409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: indeed that _would_ be a big bang < 1225045415 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1225045420 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no theres this tv show called big bang theory < 1225045422 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like < 1225045428 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nerd sitcom < 1225045443 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaguely similar to The IT Crowd, but not british < 1225045465 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half the jokes should make absolutely no sense if you dont have a basic knowledge of the argument of grand unified theories < 1225045476 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some other similar phenomena < 1225045485 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mom loves that show. < 1225045486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you don't have to understand the math < 1225045487 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: psygnisfive: indeed that _would_ be a big bang <<< oerjan: so, usually you part, now you're making sex jokes? i'm assuming you're oerjan's nephew or something < 1225045493 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should uh join our forces? < 1225045493 0 :ihope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for someone to say "YOUR MOM loves that show" < 1225045496 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :D < 1225045511 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the characters, sheldon, has this tendency to not realize jokes are jokes < 1225045517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have siblings, so no nephews < 1225045520 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instead tries to explain the illogical facets of the set up < 1225045528 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with sarcasm, etc. < 1225045530 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its hilarious. < 1225045536 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: prolly not, because you're about 9 years old < 1225045552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: well my dad thinks so sometimes < 1225045568 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: he could be like that one british woman whos family had a generation size of like 13 years < 1225045570 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whyäs that? < 1225045574 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*why's < 1225045617 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because i'm 38, doesn't mean i've actually grown up < 1225045701 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: i don't mind sex jokes as long as they're not too graphic < 1225045725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: quick make a pun on that < 1225045744 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah i see, i guess it's a generation thing, i don't see anything as "too graphic" really < 1225045745 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sometimes it is fun to apply logic in silly places... < 1225045801 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: three guys walk into a sex club, the size queen goes to the fisting area and gets his ass stretched real wide, the ... < 1225045807 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall i continue? ;D < 1225045811 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1225045818 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, because its not a real joke. < 1225045832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sort of guessed < 1225045844 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: then makes a website about it? < 1225045850 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just gonna end it with the masochist enjoying pain so much he denies himself the pleasure of receiving it < 1225045862 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simonrc: speaking lolcatese now? < 1225045901 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: sorry I meant: "... then he makes a website about it"? < 1225045922 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the notorious goatse.cx < 1225045928 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or .cz nowadays < 1225045933 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sure i guess < 1225045934 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want < 1225045952 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to think how to continue the story, that is all :-) < 1225045971 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can look up BDSM jokes < 1225045980 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they must exist < 1225045998 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they do! :D < 1225046025 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the rule that says, if it exists then there are jokes about it? < 1225046063 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :related to rule 34 I suppose < 1225046097 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that one already < 1225046106 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guessed that < 1225046142 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its some corollary < 1225046156 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: APOSTROPHE! < 1225046161 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* < 1225046168 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simonrc, weve gone over this already < 1225046172 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im the linguist, youre not < 1225046181 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM "your" < 1225046189 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a spelling difference < 1225046191 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when was that? < 1225046195 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a huge difference there! < 1225046200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: no, "you're" < 1225046209 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was joking < 1225046219 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :punctuation is extremely artificial < 1225046234 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and capitalization is wholly unnecessary; i agree with bauhaus on this matter < 1225046241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: from the "youre" my guess is psygnisfive simply doesn't use the apostrophe key < 1225046243 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but conventional < 1225046256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yes, but english is ugly in just about every aspect < 1225046261 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. I was gently ridiculing her. < 1225046263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might as well invent your own language and talk to us in it here < 1225046268 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually youll notice that i havent used it since he said APOSTROPHE a second time :) < 1225046272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: he. < 1225046283 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: english is quite pretty, dont be a horrible person. :| < 1225046285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: if you want to talk to us in english, talk to us in _english_ < 1225046287 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arent YOU english? HAVE SOME PRIDE MAN < 1225046308 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i COULD use my conlang... < 1225046313 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that has funny sounds < 1225046316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then we'd all ignore you, probably. < 1225046362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:22 psygnisfive> oklopol: you're closer to him then. < 1225046368 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the last i could find < 1225046376 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long before the second APOSTROPHE < 1225046383 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1225046389 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what i said wasnt false :P < 1225046415 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i instinctually did go to type the apostrophe in you're and such but intentionally suppressed it < 1225046430 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after he commented a second time, i mean < 1225046439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you show him. < 1225046465 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive is taking that more seriously than I expected < 1225046490 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simonrc: thats what you get for trying to be humorous :D < 1225046502 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: psygnisfive takes _everything_ more seriously than one expects :D < 1225046510 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiiyzyweenywaajö' #wïïjod zyweenywaybaï̇ #mwejaysïwaẏh < 1225046528 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1225046539 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice phoneme inventory < 1225046542 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some long vowels < 1225046542 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird said i should make up a language < 1225046550 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually thats all orthography < 1225046555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: does that actually mean anything < 1225046577 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a transliteration of a sentence im basing the sound of the language on. < 1225046595 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quote from farscape. it means something like "we just wanted to get a closer look, but the wormhole pulled us in" < 1225046614 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1225046628 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:38… ehird: and then we'd all ignore you, probably. < 1225046633 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd probably learn it < 1225046641 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1225046647 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i REALLY should finish the language < 1225046651 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason i haven't learned lojban yet is no one i know knows it < 1225046661 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod, it sounds AWESOME. < 1225046674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: make a reocrding < 1225046674 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :initially people think it sounds like backwards english but it actually doesnt < 1225046686 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can give you the samples from the show < 1225046690 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few have said they will, but people simply don't have the stamina for something that useless < 1225046706 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: ill learn lojban with you < 1225046719 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err you hate lojban < 1225046732 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate the way it sounds < 1225046735 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so what? < 1225046745 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i think the sound is one of its best parts < 1225046747 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate the way spanish sounds and i can still explain an ipod warranty and return policy < 1225046749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um lojban sounds awesome < 1225046754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spanish sounds awful < 1225046759 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lojban sounds unnatural to me < 1225046772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710885982433758647 <-- stupid little cartoon thing that is only redeemed by AWESOME LOJBAN SOUND < 1225046781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes anything good < 1225046791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should call lojban awesomeban. < 1225046794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed < 1225046812 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://www.wellnowwhat.net/Farscape_linguistics/Sebacean-[0-6].wav < 1225046820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh! no page! < 1225046821 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where [0-6] is a proper range, not part of the file name < 1225046830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1225046840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah! no page! < 1225046848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: < 1225046878 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ahh! no page! < 1225046894 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listening to this bit of lojban < 1225046902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: fix the links < 1225046904 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds nothing like their official descriptions of the way the language sounds < 1225046917 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry, it should be 1-6 < 1225046931 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.e < 1225046940 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn inconsistent indexing < 1225046956 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to listen to Dr Who on BBC 7. < 1225046975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: how do you make that click "hck" sound >_< < 1225046985 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1225046995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JPW < 1225046995 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its hard to describe < 1225046996 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's sebacean? < 1225046996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*HOW < 1225047006 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1225047007 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that < 1225047026 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can tell you how to start, and then guide you through getting closer to the correct way of doing it < 1225047042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much work < 1225047046 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct as far as im concerned < 1225047047 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1225047055 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess you wont be learning sebacean then, HUH < 1225047058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1225047069 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will. < 1225047075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't < 1225047076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitch < 1225047079 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it an existing consonant or one of your own? < 1225047092 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not an IPA consonant < 1225047110 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt exist in any natural language < 1225047113 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could < 1225047154 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph, i hate dogs < 1225047165 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dislike most dogs. < 1225047198 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESPECIALLY for sexual purposes. i mean, honestly, who would fuck a retriever? weirdos. < 1225047202 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is lying right next to me, farting, and silently judging me as i'm making funny consonants up. < 1225047214 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, that's a good point < 1225047217 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1225047238 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs something to drink < 1225047247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happiness is a warm puppy < 1225047251 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so i heard < 1225047315 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're into abusing beastiality i can give you a delightfully cruel fantasy :o < 1225047331 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and your silly anecdotes < 1225047334 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one compound word: puppy condoms < 1225047364 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: http://community.livejournal.com/ftmvanity/876303.html#cutid1 <3 < 1225047382 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1225047463 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the point that he's cute, was did that have to do with bestiality? < 1225047473 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that hes gorgeous < 1225047474 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*or did < 1225047492 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the comments somewhat gave that away < 1225047496 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also that he used to be a girl < 1225047545 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, if i think he's a girl, he indeed does looks somewhat cute < 1225047559 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes a boy sir, and a cute one at that. < 1225047587 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesnt even look like a girl < 1225047597 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is awesome < 1225047604 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chin does < 1225047616 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the lower part of the face < 1225047617 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. ive seen lots of guys that look similar < 1225047666 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scale is continuous < 1225047671 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1225047676 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and theres major overlap < 1225047682 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to me, he looks like a guy. < 1225047694 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yes, definitely < 1225047777 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a shame he has a vagina. :\ < 1225047780 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats life < 1225047856 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you know what's so wrong about gayness? if there's two guys, who has the vagina?" "yeah, you gotta have a vagina" "vaginas are great, wish i had one" < 1225047861 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(another american dad quote) < 1225047863 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(related) < 1225047881 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :american dad sounds stupid. < 1225047905 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :primarily because a stereotype (not untrue) about straight guys is that they always wanna fuck a chick in the ass < 1225047920 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that comment sounds more like an intentional homophobic joke than anything else < 1225047941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes the joke is homophobic < 1225047954 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its one thing if its monty python homophobic < 1225047961 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, you know, its funny < 1225047973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. so only famous comedians can be homophobia < 1225047975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*homophobic < 1225047982 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, only good comedians can < 1225047989 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like only good comedians can be racist < 1225047999 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is the first guys say vaginas are great for banging, last guy joins in, and says (without stealing focus), that he's like to *have* a vagina < 1225048005 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's what i laughed at. < 1225048021 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1225048023 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not a joke < 1225048025 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats true < 1225048032 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :straight american guys want to be hot chicks. < 1225048043 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a fairly well established but rarely spoken about fact. < 1225048072 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm'kay < 1225048082 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway, who said that was even a joke < 1225048093 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't watch ad for it's humor value < 1225048093 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :straight american men are so afraid of being perceived as homosexual that they actual want to BE women. they only like having cocks because cocks are used to fuck women. < 1225048102 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watch is as drama < 1225048113 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1225048169 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and while what you say may be true (and afaik all things are true), i don't think that makes the joke bad. < 1225048185 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like all jokes that aren't based on a punchline or a pun < 1225048200 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i like some jokes based on misunderstandings < 1225048221 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, i didnt even see the misunderstanding < 1225048231 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not even sure if there was one. i suppose it depends on what followed < 1225048236 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't consider that a misunderstanding < 1225048369 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is, liking vaginas is something that, in the pseudoworld where i live and where that joke works, is a manly thing; if you like a vagina, you're manly; once it goes over a certain point, you become the opposite of manly, because you suddenly want to be a woman < 1225048392 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's how i see it, what do i know. < 1225048396 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1225048403 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that pseudoworld is called american straight mandom. < 1225048414 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence why i didnt see the joke, what with the show being about precisely that < 1225048421 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i believe that's what ad is all about. < 1225048430 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1225048465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I wish I was a girly, just like my dear Pa-Pa!" < 1225048486 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the irony is that straight men in america often want to fuck chicks in the ass. sometimes more than in the pussy. < 1225048499 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that's irrelevant < 1225048523 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :au contraire < 1225048525 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's a world in which the joke is funny, and a world i can picture in my head, the joke is inherently funny. < 1225048535 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if straight men prefer ass, then its very relevant indeed! < 1225048535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Do you think you could talk about something other than sex just once in #esoteric? < 1225048537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? < 1225048541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or linguistics.) < 1225048548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just sayin'. < 1225048565 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was partly my fault too < 1225048567 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i'd love to, but noone seems to be interested in actually esoteric programming concepts. all i see is rehashing old ideas. < 1225048569 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can i say! < 1225048585 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: so have i talked to you about noprob? < 1225048591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Well, how would you know? You never try. < 1225048626 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i do! but then i stopped because you were all like "blah blah blah talking about brainfuck is edgy and esoteric grr" < 1225048631 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1225048631 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: no tell me :D < 1225048642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: no we weren't, but besides, what is wrong with brainfuck? < 1225048662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's _so_ last century :D < 1225048662 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rehashing of old ideas is that most genuinely mathematically interesting stuff is rare in all fields where amateurs make the content < 1225048663 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothings wrong with brainfuck, its just like talking about latin and then claiming you're esoteric < 1225048674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except latin used to be used seriously. < 1225048681 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr < 1225048691 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*because somewhere in there < 1225048694 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't english. < 1225048695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: last century? :-D < 1225048697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum videtur < 1225048699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye olde brainfucke < 1225048726 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :contrary to popular believe, "ye" in such constructions is not said with a y sound < 1225048735 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its actually said just like "the" < 1225048743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irrelevant < 1225048747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ye olde thorn < 1225048748 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*belief < 1225048753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ye olde brainfucke" is not exactly circa-1900 english. < 1225048759 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not even the old thorn < 1225048765 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thörn < 1225048766 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its post-dethornification < 1225048774 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: do you know 3-sat < 1225048775 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1225048781 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not sir! :o < 1225048814 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's just about having your boolean expressions in CNF in clauses of size 3 < 1225048824 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh do tell < 1225048847 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance (A | b | C) ^ (B | c | d) < 1225048857 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could have more of those toplevel (* | * | *)'s < 1225048861 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anded together < 1225048870 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A-Z are just boolean variables < 1225048874 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, i want to formulate a lambda-like model of functions. < 1225048877 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-z are just their negations < 1225048881 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not actually lambdas < 1225048888 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but similar in some ways < 1225048891 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what? < 1225048895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf -[.-] < 1225048896 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text] < 1225048900 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what what < 1225048901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: he's ignoring your idea < 1225048903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and talking about his own. < 1225048905 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1225048912 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not ignoring, im listening AND reading < 1225048918 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1225048922 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1225048922 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that shouldve been < 1225048924 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listening and typing < 1225048929 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or typing and reading < 1225048931 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1225048934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is something wrong with fungot? < 1225048934 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i've only worn this shirt for three years, man! you have a whip? why do you know what? those were all from me. < 1225048947 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you mean "a lambda-like model of functions thats not about lambdas"? < 1225048949 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1225048956 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would my 3-sat language be about lambdas < 1225048957 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[.+] < 1225048957 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text] < 1225048962 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1225048963 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 < 1225048966 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasnt suggestionf for 3sat < 1225048977 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand what (a | b | c) means < 1225048979 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo test < 1225048980 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test test < 1225048983 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1225048985 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| is an or < 1225048989 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ is an and < 1225048994 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a bit confusing, sorry < 1225048995 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def test bf -[.-] < 1225048995 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1225048998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^test < 1225048998 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~}|{zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba`_^]\[ZYXWVUTSRQPONMLKJIHGFEDCBA@?>=<;:987654321 ... < 1225049001 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always forget people can't see what i think < 1225049013 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1225049015 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then < 1225049022 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the whole three-way thing??? < 1225049024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the ^bf command isn't working alone anymore < 1225049032 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: clauses are of size 3 < 1225049036 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 | 2 | 3) < 1225049037 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1225049044 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's the definition of 3-sat < 1225049046 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly boy < 1225049065 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 3-sat is an np-complete problem where you try to find the values for these vars so that the overall result is true < 1225049075 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can convert all boolean circuits to this form < 1225049077 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1225049094 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just for tarpitty notation's sake that the actual language is in 3-sat form < 1225049101 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't have to use any whitespace < 1225049111 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, the actual idea was < 1225049121 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i augmented 3-sat with probabilities < 1225049151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1225049151 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text] < 1225049160 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have these special variabels that are true with a 50% probability < 1225049175 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use them to create any probability you like on a variable < 1225049178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)S < 1225049178 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1225049183 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could use lukasiewicz notation for all your functions and get rid of white space < 1225049184 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1225049185 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is the only way to represent numbers) < 1225049189 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...functions? < 1225049191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: there aren't any functions. < 1225049193 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about functions? < 1225049202 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| is a function. < 1225049206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: um, I think perhaps you're missing out on all the good esolang ideas because you don't understand any of them < 1225049208 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from BxB->B < 1225049215 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are problotures for expressing infinite expressions tail-recursively < 1225049230 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lukasiewicz notation is harder to comprehend, ehird. < 1225049246 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i doubt lukasiewicz notation can beat just *skipping all marking for functions altogether* < 1225049264 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean markings for functions? < 1225049269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>__< < 1225049272 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it can, then okay, lukasiewicz beat me. < 1225049279 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: the |'a and ^'s < 1225049287 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just said those are the functions < 1225049290 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i said there are no functions < 1225049293 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do you think < 1225049296 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i mean what you meant < 1225049297 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i didnt know what you meant by markings. < 1225049301 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1225049302 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notation < 1225049310 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt skip those but it DOES skip the parens. :) < 1225049319 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yeah i don't need those either < 1225049323 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1225049324 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. < 1225049335 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a|b|c)^(d|e|f)?? < 1225049350 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? I must've screwed it up when doing the ^ul command. < 1225049353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (foo)S < 1225049353 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1225049361 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +. < 1225049361 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text] < 1225049363 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1225049376 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that'd be abcdef in my notation < 1225049381 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just explaining what 3-sat is < 1225049386 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't talked about my notation < 1225049386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also i'm not sure whether that ^ul is the builtin or the bf version < 1225049396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show ul < 1225049396 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[<+4[>-8<-]+>-[-7[-2[<+3[>-4<-]+>[<+4[>-5<-]+>[-11[-3[[-]<2[>[-]>+<2-]>>[<2+>>-]+<[->-<3[[>+<-]<]>>[>]]>[->[>]<[[>+<-]<]<2[[>+<-]<]<[[>+<-]<]>>[>]>[[[>]>+<2[<]>-]<2[[>+<-]<]>>[>]>[>]>[<2[<]<[<]<+>>[>]>[>]>-]<2[<]>]>>[[<+>-]>]<2[<]]]<[->>[>]<[[>>+<2-]<]<2[[>+<-]<]>+>[>]+5[>+8<-]+2>-[<+[<]>+[>]<-]]>]<[->>[[<2+>>-]>]<3[[>+<-]<]]>]<[-<[[<]>.[-]>[[<+>-]>]>>[[<+>-]>]<2[<]<2]>>>[[<+>-]>]<2[<]<]>]<[->>[>]<[[>+<-]<]<2[>>>>[>] < 1225049397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf < 1225049400 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjacency is both disjunction and conjunction? < 1225049402 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the builtin, actually. < 1225049406 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yeah < 1225049407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that proves nothing < 1225049411 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just shows the old bf version. < 1225049412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1225049414 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every third is a disjunction to be exact < 1225049415 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you prevent ambiguities? < 1225049421 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1225049424 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everything is just < 1225049428 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (fooo bar baz quux):*:*S < 1225049428 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fooo bar baz quuxfooo bar baz quuxfooo bar baz quuxfooo bar baz quux < 1225049431 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conj conj disj conj conj dis < 1225049434 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell from the speed. < 1225049442 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1225049448 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesnt comput < 1225049455 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1225049456 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean every third adjacency? < 1225049458 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the 'bf' command won't work because the 'ul' command is in the way. Heh. < 1225049461 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yeah < 1225049463 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1225049478 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it CANT be abcdef in your notation < 1225049480 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that should be < 1225049484 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't see why you'd care for the syntax, *that* the esolang communite definitely has enough creative ideas for < 1225049488 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a and b and c or d and e and f < 1225049491 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you wrote < 1225049496 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*community < 1225049496 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a or b or c and d or e or f < 1225049508 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^reload < 1225049508 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reloaded. < 1225049510 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yeah also you have to put the parens there < 1225049514 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!foo < 1225049515 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1225049527 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but we know where the parens go. < 1225049540 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yes, that's my point < 1225049543 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that the former is not the same as the latter < 1225049557 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if every third adjacency is disjunction < 1225049559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:(test )S^):^ < 1225049560 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test t < 1225049571 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that's just because i'm confusing conjunction and disjunction < 1225049576 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :) < 1225049587 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and disunction has higher scope than conjunction i take it < 1225049590 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pair things up in my head, sometimes i happen to pair two very related things < 1225049615 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather < 1225049626 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, output length limits are still missing from the built-in ul interp. < 1225049630 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is by threes, alternatingly up the hierarchy < 1225049641 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that all disjunctions are in conjunctions, and vice versa, if they're in anything at all < 1225049642 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1225049657 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting inded! < 1225049676 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just 3-sat, and a trivial way to express it concisely < 1225049694 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the interesting part :P < 1225049715 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lukasiewicz notation is sort of like combinatory notation but it has no parens at all since it doesnt let you combine operators < 1225049725 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :combine like what? < 1225049729 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, im a syntactician, i like novel syntax. < 1225049733 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so: < 1225049738 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1225049746 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in luke's notation < 1225049753 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the whole esolang wiki full of syntax ideas? < 1225049767 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the issue is most are based on the same few concepts < 1225049787 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C = implication, A = or, K = and, E = biconditional, N = negation < 1225049805 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the syntax ideas on the wiki are silly. < 1225049808 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of the ideas are too. < 1225049820 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so lukes notation is, everything is binary except N < 1225049832 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just polish notation, really < 1225049839 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it ends up being completely incomprehensible < 1225049846 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that? < 1225049860 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AsKEKpCqrKApqrt < 1225049871 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is another way of writing < 1225049902 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i read polish < 1225049908 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s or (p(q -> r) <-> (p or q)r)t < 1225049926 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1225049929 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, A is or < 1225049932 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where adjaceny is and, and where and has higher precedence than or < 1225049935 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A for alternation < 1225049940 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K for conjunction < 1225049943 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c for conditional < 1225049945 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E for equal < 1225049999 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i've invented it once too) < 1225050037 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was for this language, long before i knew about esolangs or polish notation, a language for this router game i was planning, basically you'd program the protocols for sending packets around a large network) < 1225050037 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it. its nice and algebraically usable, but requires that you sit down and think about it < 1225050056 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, youll need to tell me more about 3sat later. im off to shower then get food. <3 < 1225050064 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3-sat is a trivial concept :P < 1225050079 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should ban | and ^ < 1225050083 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has nothing to do with me, just inspired me < 1225050086 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1225050089 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instead require everything be in sheffer stroke < 1225050090 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i didn't invent it < 1225050091 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not mine < 1225050099 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well modify it < 1225050100 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: ^ and | have nothing to do with noprob < 1225050104 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in the wimpmode < 1225050118 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheffer-stroke-only would make it ridiculously verbose < 1225050122 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't modify it, i've extended it < 1225050125 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than mandatory ternariality < 1225050128 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's modification < 1225050128 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok byes < 1225050129 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1225050133 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the dog is farting again < 1225050136 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't like it. < 1225050144 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byesss < 1225050172 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here? < 1225050201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not < 1225050217 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1225050258 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking of adding a second construct to noprob :< < 1225050274 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :branch-less-than, basically < 1225050342 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because after the "reversible multiplication" idea died of stupidity, i haven't had a way to actually do any visible computation in a pure way < 1225050342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SELLOUT < 1225050346 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1225050369 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will basically either have to add that, or a branch-if-less-than-50%..... < 1225050377 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's goddamn ugly. < 1225050381 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much much uglier < 1225050436 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this would allow for using the probabilities for something other than purely storing integers n as (1/2^n) probabilities < 1225050444 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1225050445 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1225050488 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no because, it follows trivially, that once you have a way to compare things, and do calculations with them, you have numbers < 1225050548 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and that was the because < 1225050644 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.... the language doesn't really have an ordering, on any level in the parse tree, that is, on any sequence of expressions, you can always shuffle the code in any way you like < 1225050664 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial property of 3-sat < 1225050676 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i wonder... monads? < 1225050680 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::----D < 1225050735 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll read a bit, i'm just getting a coding spark, and i can't code because i have to read, and i go back to irc < 1225050736 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1225051024 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually the current data-set, even though it's so tiny, works surprisingly well: http://zem.fi/~fis/botconv.txt < 1225051106 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@i-31.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1225051126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1225051126 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no! in fact, that is precisely what you may not say! and brian and i are going to fnord. what was hidden within? unstoppable fnord! fnord. < 1225051139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought you meant < 1225051140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fed it that < 1225051161 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's still the penny-arcade thing. I can try the fungot loop too, though. < 1225051161 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why did that samurai fnord his own life for the life of the international playboy. mark each mommy with a flag or whatever they use over there. < 1225051184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D < 1225051220 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1225051226 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if faced with fungot in a turing test < 1225051226 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: to: fnord fnord. eleven year-olds can't go. doom 3 comes out tomorrow. you'll just plug it in! where you going, tough guy? don't think i want it! no, the full version would destroy you. trust me, buddy? < 1225051235 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be tempted to say it's a person. < 1225051237 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::( < 1225051242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: feed it rap lyrics < 1225051249 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what #esoteric has done to me. its made me expect randomness from IRC < 1225051250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo niggas fnord fnord fnord < 1225051326 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a big pile of rap lyrics, sure. I had to crawl those Penny Arcade transcripts from pennyarcade.wikia.com, too; people are very bad in making interesting text data available in some simple way. < 1225051366 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reh < 1225051368 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1225051373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://lyricwiki.org/Main_Page < 1225051379 0 :Linus`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. S, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi." < 1225051383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lyricwiki.org/Category:Genre/Rap < 1225051395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 125 categorized < 1225051395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1225051402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lyricwiki.org/Category:Genre/Computer_Science_Gangsta_Rap < 1225051435 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1225051449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1225051463 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"System.print(), goddamn I'm fly. (Don't forget the semicolons too)" < 1225051478 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess fungot might make a good rapper. < 1225051478 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: welcome to fnord, bitch. you just don't want to talk about sandwiches? i can't do this anymore. jesus, look at these brain numbers. they're off the fnord and hope prey falls into its mouth. exhibit a is a fnord. < 1225051501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lyricwiki.org/Monzy:So_Much_Drama_In_The_PhD i love thius < 1225051502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*this < 1225051503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, he's got a suitably dirty mouth, too. < 1225051510 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# You are likely / to be eatenbyagrue / If this predicament / seems particularly cruel / ... # < 1225051601 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't recall that guy's name < 1225051604 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, that lyricwiki would be nicely crawlable (since all the interesting data seems to have tags around it) if they'd just have a list of songs instead of listing artists and then making arbitrary links to songs. < 1225051607 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, MC Frontalot < 1225051610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they have an api. < 1225051712 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. < 1225051772 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1225051797 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that should be pretty easy; I just need to give it a list of artists and then I can fetch all those songs. < 1225051818 0 :Corun_!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1225051961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1225052008 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:04… fizzie: I guess fungot might make a good rapper. < 1225052008 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:04… fungot: fizzie: welcome to fnord, bitch. < 1225052009 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: christmas 2003. i'm up. i'm seeing some shit. < 1225052009 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: yeah, i've got something planned for next month that'll really frost your... oh, that's right he had two fnord and two fnord < 1225052018 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul :> < 1225052178 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look at the lyrics thing later, not today; but it might still be a nice experience. Now if fungot could just compose some music too, to go with the lyrics... < 1225052178 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: okay. is it for you? < 1225052190 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Oh, you can? No, it'd be for the whole channel! < 1225052190 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: gurgle... fnord! fnord... that's... that's not mine! fnord? < 1225052228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard worse lyrics < 1225052242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, possibly. < 1225052500 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1225052567 0 :Corun__!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1225052885 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1225053058 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1225053123 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-059-158.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1225053377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm worse < 1225053383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be horrible then < 1225053413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what language model are you on? < 1225053413 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so, it's your job to decide who gets what! < 1225053421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, IRC? < 1225053421 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pure hell, fnord by yourself and an army of robots whose behavior you control. is that downtown? i was hoping i could get your aim or something, we could... < 1225053428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No... < 1225053434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is the language model? < 1225053457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Penny Arcade comic strips. < 1225053464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I don't read that one < 1225053470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it kind of strange iirc? < 1225053474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in "I don't get it" < 1225053490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey didn't xkcd make a parody on it once? < 1225053503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just about anyone has, I guess. < 1225053508 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd might've done it too. < 1225053511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/160/ < 1225053512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there < 1225053539 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes, it was that which went a bit fanficcy. < 1225053550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fanficcy"? < 1225053574 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_fiction < 1225053584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1225053585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1225053616 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Penny Arcade strip transcriptions were in pennyarcade.wikia.com, so I just crawled them and ran. Well, not literally. < 1225053652 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How do you feel about this particular data set? < 1225053652 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i know his very heart. the one thing his dark soul fnord for. but fnord it would damn us both. you will fnord to death. < 1225053676 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1200 comic strips is not very much material, so there's quite a lot of occurs-only-once words, therefore it's so fnordy. < 1225053723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm wonder if uf is transcribed < 1225053727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait I got an idea. < 1225053740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mezzacotta < 1225053740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1225053761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly that would be totally impossible even over a small subset < 1225053805 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you feel any better now that you don't have the token filtering enabled? < 1225053805 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: alright... " gabe." oh. hmmm. it says here nihilistic is doing the coding and artwork. i'd make stuff up to. < 1225053837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also quotes quite a lot verbatim, because of the small amount of material. Still, it is amusing every now and then. < 1225053847 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Try saying something more original, please. < 1225053847 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: didn't you try the uninstaller? but daily radar said it sucked! i'm going to introduce myself, and then you'd be all " pow!" and he said, you've got to remember that he does whatever a spider can. he can spin a web and that web can be any size. criminals are also no problem, as he catches them just like flies. < 1225053850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think this is worse than the EU one < 1225053867 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A matter of taste, I think. < 1225053887 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you check that conversation -- http://zem.fi/~fis/botconv.txt -- I had with it? Very coherent. < 1225053891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that was a verbatim quote it makes no sense < 1225053895 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried pride and prejudice... it was quite odd < 1225053944 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I have red dwarf 1 to 4 if you want it < 1225053969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there is this one too http://xkcd.com/50/ < 1225054015 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, PA's so popular it's been referenced by quite a lot of other webcomics. < 1225054031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can't understand why it is popular < 1225054057 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why not; and the topic material is a popular one. < 1225054061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean xkcd, uf, irregular and darth and droids sure, possibly also ctrl-alt-del (don't like it personally) < 1225054062 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's quite a lot of them gamers around. < 1225054066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1225054101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the ones I read show I'm no traditional gamer (uf, xkcd, irregular webcomic, darth and droids) < 1225054103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1225054111 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually quite many people would say the same about UF, and even though I still read it out of habit, I don't think I've been very amused by it in a long time. < 1225054112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes I like a few rpg) < 1225054131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I found today's one quite fun < 1225054159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1225054209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so what ones do you read? < 1225054226 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Uh, quite a pile. Around 40 or so. < 1225054233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1225054247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UF is really boring < 1225054249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like 3 jokes. < 1225054250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what sort of comics < 1225054255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and half-baked storylines. < 1225054281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite a fan of http://buttersafe.com/. < 1225054284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I wouldn't say it is that bad < 1225054318 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Also a very wide variety. I'm not going to start naming names; most of them would probably be too embarrassing to admit reading of. < 1225054329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1225054336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well four is enough for me < 1225054342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: My Little Pony: Comic edition. < 1225054367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, explosm or whatever that horrible one is called could also be in that collection that is "too embarrassing" < 1225054378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyanide & Happiness is occasionally funny. < 1225054393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fans are generally really annoying though < 1225054401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't click links to it any longer because it is crap 99% of the time < 1225054403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bloody < 1225054447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What's wrong with "offensive" humour? < 1225054456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing, I just don't like it < 1225054468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, most of the time C&H's humour is merely bland and not actually funny. < 1225054489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find irregular webcomic to be very high quality usually. Plus the annotations can be quite educating. < 1225054522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iwc goes over my head a lot :( < 1225054530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i just don't read enough backstory < 1225054539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, never read the whole archive? < 1225054541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had to pick few, I rather liked Ozy and Millie (although that one's ending real soon, and it's so... "normal"); PhD Comics (since I might end up as a grad student later); unspeakable vault (of doom) (even though it's not very pretty, and not very fun if you haven't read Lovecraft at all)... < 1225054547 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Partially Clips, of course. < 1225054547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That would take a while. < 1225054551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has for all the comics he read, including uf < 1225054582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought that was back when there was only like 5 years for uf, not like 10 years or whatever it is now. < 1225054618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles "Partially Clips" < 1225054636 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read through the UF archives in.. let's see, 2001? It was something like four years then. < 1225054668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I managed iwc archive in about 3 days in total, this summer < 1225054675 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Partially Clips uses a single clip-art picture for all three frames, and still manages to be funny. < 1225054717 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, Dinosaur Comics uses the *same* image every day, and still is sometimes funny too. < 1225054732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love dinosaur comics < 1225054763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/145/ < 1225054780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm sure we've all seen the xkcd parodies. < 1225054807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION don't find dinosaur comics funny really < 1225054814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*doesn't. < 1225054826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How many years have I been pointing out the 3 basic mistakes you make repeatedly? :p) < 1225054832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tones'd agree < 1225054841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1225054846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anagram < 1225054854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't tones't < 1225054860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1225054861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't tones'd < 1225054879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no I didn't claim it made sense < 1225054901 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1225054902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, xkcd isn't very funny recently. < 1225054932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it varies < 1225054953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I like the last one quite < 1225054966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it funny? < 1225054975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, really. It isn't. < 1225054988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can't explain humor < 1225054991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it destroys it < 1225055002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can if you're trying to explain why something is funny. < 1225055011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it ruins it, but if it wasn't ever funny in the first place... < 1225055029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/489/ <-- what about that one? < 1225055031 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.insaneabode.com/roboterotica/jokesexplained/manwalksintoabar.html <- or does it? < 1225055042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, yes it does < 1225055074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, see http://www.mezzacotta.net/singles/jokes_explained_explained.php however for why that particular one may be an exception < 1225055083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite funny itself < 1225055100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it uses the same tactic on the jokes explained as jokes explained uses on jokes < 1225055112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: explanations have to be sufficiently formal to be funny < 1225055116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours fails that criteria < 1225055139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I didn't try to make one < 1225055163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : since it uses the same tactic on the jokes explained as jokes explained uses on jokes < 1225055174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that wasn't intended to be a joke in the same vein then you merely have a bad grasp of humour < 1225055177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that was an example of "how not to do" < 1225055191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, THAT line is an example of "covering your ass" < 1225055197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, agreed. < 1225055231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but really I didn't plan to try to make an extra level joke < 1225055259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do it, just would take a bit. And I would have had to had that as a goal < 1225055264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I didn't < 1225055323 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1225055339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?date=-564-10-24 <-- hehe btw < 1225055387 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-059-158.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1225055820 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1225055935 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes, mezzacotta < 1225056087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they just randomly generate those don't they. < 1225056136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1225056146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, really? < 1225056153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, same every time you access a date < 1225056167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it was some "fractal algorithm" somewhere < 1225056171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what that would mean < 1225056179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hash(date), probably < 1225056202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well also they seem to often reuse what the other person said < 1225056266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess some deterministic algorithm of some sort that uses hash(date) as seed. but not totally random, taking whatever has been said in the previous dialog box in consideration < 1225056297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/ haha, the current is great < 1225056316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not really < 1225056330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but that's an awesome mission statement! < 1225056343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, those are random < 1225056345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on every load < 1225056355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The webcomic that will revolutionise your web experience." "The webcomic that could use more publicity." < 1225056357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are what I got < 1225056362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after reloading there < 1225056370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so what one did you mean < 1225056378 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think e's referring to the "Citole: a kind of fiddle" mission statement. < 1225056382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?date=2008-10-26 < 1225056389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes < 1225056391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah not the tag line < 1225056397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Citole? I got no clue what that is < 1225056414 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a definition right in there. < 1225056415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a kind of fiddle! < 1225056423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1225056424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used like "ribibe", as a jealous lover his mistress. < 1225056432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really funny though < 1225056440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is. < 1225056454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, showing again humor is subjective < 1225056571 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1225056601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/4Uiqwe81.html <-- that may interest you < 1225056619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1225056840 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comic for 22 Sept 654354701 BC is actually mildly amusing: http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?year=654354701&epoch=bc&month=09&day=22 < 1225056872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?date=1433-04-13 < 1225056926 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, that one makes sense < 1225056941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, it was from "hall of fame" < 1225056945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is one of the best < 1225056947 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1225056963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all in http://www.mezzacotta.net/halloffame.php make sense or are funny, or at least a lot of ppl think so < 1225056971 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they bias the randomiser to ones that haven't been rated much yet < 1225056984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, iirc yes < 1225056985 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And everything in there makes more sense than fungot. :p < 1225056985 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why, blizzard? soulless dragon demands to knooooow! everything in the store that day, in that line, that i have gone totally batshit fucking loco. < 1225056988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/bestbakes.php < 1225056990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see there < 1225057000 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1225057009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, still pa? < 1225057015 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1225057025 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have time for the lyrics-testing right now. < 1225057041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, irc or wikipedia are the best ones so far < 1225057073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?date=-5679392-11-17 < 1225057121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?year=1&epoch=ad&month=01&day=01 < 1225057137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I seen it < 1225057140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very good < 1225057423 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not surprising that IRC works best for IRC; and personally I don't like the Wikipedia one much, although it is mildly amusing the way it keeps on talking about fair use policy and other Wikipedianisms. < 1225057560 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wikipedia what? < 1225057574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: language model for fungot < 1225057574 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i can't let these guys know how much i... < 1225057582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: feed in agora mailing list archives < 1225057582 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ok < 1225057597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it'll start using spivak pronouns and ending human titles with or instead of er < 1225057599 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: I used the raw wiki-markup from 1/256th of all Wikipedia talk pages, with no filtering whatsoever. < 1225057608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use Gratuitously Capitalialized Words < 1225057610 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1225057627 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: have you considered simply taking a few random words from what the fungot-highlighter said, and making it search for something containing as many of those as possible? < 1225057628 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: i love kingdom hearts. please use it. < 1225057645 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1225057654 0 :oklocod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except if it's in befunge, then i guess that may be a bit slow < 1225057690 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklocod: Yes, that is sort of an issue. The "use the original input as the context at the beginning" would be easier, but even that needs conversion from text into tokens. < 1225057736 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The archives are only available to mailing list members, I think. < 1225057754 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although there's those other sites; proposals and such. < 1225057813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I can give you them. < 1225057817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Being a member, of course.) < 1225057859 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, fungot's now running on a model built from the current_flr.txt ruleset. < 1225057860 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the vote collector is the assessor. the default officeholder can become a party to the < 1225057899 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Line-wrapping makes the "sensible places to stop text generation" part a bit wonky; should've rewrapped them a bit. < 1225057921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, hi fungot. < 1225057921 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: first-class player as eir mentor ( and has not named a < 1225057943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Bayes (mine and comex's (the rulekeepor) automated player) does basically the same thing < 1225057951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a markov chain of previous proposals and makes proposals based on them < 1225057954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we don't use it as people got annoyed < 1225057976 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck making a proposal that actually makes sense < 1225057991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: :p < 1225058023 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, fungot ping < 1225058023 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: the parties to the contract. otherwise, the outcome is failed quorum, regardless of spectral proximity. each color of ribbon is a currency. < 1225058034 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rewrapped that text, so fungot should now not stop in the middle like that. < 1225058035 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 16 january 2008 amended(49) by proposal 5122 ( zefram), 7 june 2008 amended(1) by proposal 5090 ( zefram), 1 march 2008 < 1225058047 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does fungot listen to what you say to it? < 1225058048 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that not-rule-text stuff, though. < 1225058048 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: history: created by proposal 2783 ( chuck), jan. 20 2000 amended(2) by proposal 5408 ( root), < 1225058053 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: No, not at all. < 1225058058 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity < 1225058058 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1225058058 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: the ambassador is a low-priority office, responsible for managing judicial activity. the cotc's report includes the greatest orderly id number, then its name < 1225058068 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good < 1225058071 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could otherwise sometimes respond relevantly < 1225058071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: give it the slr < 1225058073 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would actually do something < 1225058074 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a rule < 1225058078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: it's verbatim. < 1225058078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh this one is quite like a slightly sillier version of the EU-parliament one < 1225058079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1225058081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :al,most verbatim < 1225058098 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what is fungot exactly? < 1225058098 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: in a timely fashion" and " as soon as possible as the conditions authorizing em to make the award as soon as possible after receiving a cantus cygneus, detailing eir grievances and expressing eir reproach for those who e feels have treated em so badly. < 1225058105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: irc bot written in befunge < 1225058109 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1225058112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: link him to the code? < 1225058129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex, it got a talk generator too < 1225058142 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.html if your browser is compatible with my messy javascript. < 1225058142 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: rule 2153/ 1 ( power=1) scams to fix scamsters. look on our works, ye marvy, but do < 1225058146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((comex))^S < 1225058146 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex < 1225058152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((comex))S < 1225058152 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(comex) < 1225058171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unlambda interpreter and a brainfuck one < 1225058279 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Gave it the slr (rewrapped with 'fmt'), but I'm not sure it improved much. < 1225058284 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you feel any different? < 1225058284 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: upon a win announcement. however, if point holdings are changed in this way, then 5 minutes later all points are destroyed and a number of points owned by a player is poorly qualified to be assigned as a judge does not inherently prevent an entity from continuing to be judge of a judicial case, and in the chief a capital letter a, gules. < 1225058314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?date=1993-09-28 < 1225058355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?date=-9999999999999-10-18 < 1225058492 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I discovered another coherent one: http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?date=1964-04-02 < 1225058583 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually did yet another change: used rules_text.txt (because it's a lot longer), and stripped out all non-indented line; this should make fungot read only rule texts, more or less. < 1225058583 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the player so proposed fills the office, then the ninny must submit to the notary. < 1225058592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06 < 1225058593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1225058594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?date=1993-10-06 < 1225058596 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a random ly generated comic < 1225058599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: yes < 1225058601 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there is any influence of past votes over future comics < 1225058607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1225058610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie < 1225058615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is rules_text.txt longer? < 1225058639 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This file contains all known texts of all known rules. < 1225058671 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While I assume current_foo.txt is just rules-in-effect. Although don't ask me, your the one who does the Agora stuff. < 1225058686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or one of them, anyway. < 1225058710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1225058713 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: If your < 1225058713 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: the scorekeepor notification must be via the public forum during the prescribed voting period on that proposal, election or referendum which e would not have passed or not met quorum or both. < 1225058715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you're :-P < 1225058715 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1225058725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: anyway, I don't know - those are comex's personal files < 1225058732 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no that was zefram's < 1225058735 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not mine < 1225058740 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have a copy of it < 1225058744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1225058751 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: If your response to this message makes sense as a set of obligations to impose on me in Agora, I pledge to follow them. < 1225058751 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: ( a) as soon as possible after being made aware of this condition, randomly select a copy of the requested records within one week. < 1225058788 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, I have to randomly select a copy of the requested records ASAP < 1225058796 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also within one week. < 1225058796 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the only question being, which records are requested? < 1225058806 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASAP = within one week < 1225058816 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Can you clarify? < 1225058817 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: an off hold player becomes off hold when e posts a message stating that e insists. a player may, with support. < 1225058843 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no, no, I want to know which records are being requested < 1225058843 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: there is a subclass of judicial case known as an equity case begins its pre-trial phase. < 1225058856 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH. you're asking for a list of equity casses. < 1225058865 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to get any sense out of that bot will probably lead to nowhere fast. < 1225058878 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he has managed some already < 1225058878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tells a-d about comex's new obligations < 1225058913 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a special Agora source file, or just random legsl stuff? < 1225058928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: agora ruleset, historical and current < 1225058939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. a backlog of lots of rules present and past) < 1225058945 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1225058948 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except out of date, because I haven't updated it since i became rulekeepor < 1225058953 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since I don't have what e used to generate it) < 1225058955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g* < 1225058967 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1225058975 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1225059163 0 :kt3k!n=stibium_@FL1-122-130-193-58.kyt.mesh.ad.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1225059427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_dnaChecksum < 1225059831 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wark < 1225060371 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to bed. < 1225060734 0 :kt3k!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CHOCOA" < 1225061337 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1225061709 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1225062015 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1225062394 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More in the "experimental fungot language models" series: now trained with the complete script of the Playstation RPG "Final Fantasy 7". Probably makes zero sense if you haven't played the game. < 1225062395 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i... i wonder how many of them endless stairways or somethin'? who's gonna go? is the black materia!! < 1225062410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I haven't played it indeed < 1225062435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old zelda games I could do, but that isn't a lot of talk in those < 1225062457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hi < 1225062457 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: besides, i'm worried too. i'll go and invite your friends? he may be inside... or at least remember my father, at the choco bill and choco billy chocobo farm. < 1225062461 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1225062472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :th...that was... < 1225062472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot choco bill? < 1225062473 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: both of us go. enjoy. < 1225062473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coherent... < 1225062485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is a "choco bill" < 1225062500 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That stuff is ~350 kilobytes; I took everything that appears in double quotes. < 1225062504 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1225062515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not a lot of data then < 1225062516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Choco Bill is a guy who runs a Chocobo farm. < 1225062536 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a lot in an absolute sense, but it's quite a lot of text anyway. < 1225062537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is it possible to play this game on an emulator under linux? < 1225062543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering < 1225062549 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, epsxe has a Linux port. < 1225062578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's closed source; there was one open-source emulator too, which was less game-compatible, but it might still run FF7. < 1225062579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, 2D or 3D? < 1225062589 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D; all the Playstation-era games have been that. < 1225062599 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FF7 was the first 3D one. < 1225062601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not really my cup of tea then < 1225062622 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have done some of the 2D snes ones, but the newer games have far more text. < 1225062648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well what about secret of mana or whatever that game was called, for snes iirc < 1225062652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played that once iirc < 1225062736 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, dunno. I've played it, of course, but... well, FF7 was the first one I found a complete-looking script for by googling. Not that I tried others either. < 1225062746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well < 1225062753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what do you mean "of course"? < 1225062753 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Planescape: Torment would have a lot of text, at least. :p < 1225062768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hardly played any such games apart from super mario and zelda < 1225062798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really games are quite boring, with the exception of nethack and other rouge likes < 1225062805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like* < 1225062806 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as console RPGs are considered, that one's quite famous. < 1225062839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such in games above referring to "console games" < 1225062953 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FF6 (the last SNES one, probably the largest too) seems to have a script <150K in length even with all the ascii decorations the gamefaqs version has. < 1225062961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks games he played last two month: engima, kpat, kmines, simutrans, wesnoth, freeciv < 1225062966 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a lot of material there. < 1225062970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't count flightgear as a game, it is a simulator < 1225062980 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've played a bit of gplanarity, but not very much else. < 1225062992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ eix gplanarity < 1225062992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matches found. < 1225062993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := < 1225062994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1225063005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounded like gnome stuff < 1225063009 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort of a port of http://www.planarity.net/ < 1225063019 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gives you a graph, you need to move nodes so that the graph is planar. < 1225063043 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes zero sense whatsoever, but... well, actually I can't even explain why it's fun. I'm not even sure whether it *is*. < 1225063068 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some scoring involved (related to speed and such), but that's mostly coincidental. < 1225063077 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a very game-like game. < 1225063094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh ok < 1225063111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nethack I played of course too < 1225063124 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't touched nethack in months. < 1225063134 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you play any games? < 1225063134 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did sephiroth... < 1225063141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ascended? < 1225063149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sephiroth? < 1225063185 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A character in FF7. One of the main antagonists. Not well known for any game-playing. < 1225063199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1225063218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, game music in this ff thing? < 1225063223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except ff == firefox for me) < 1225063252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think game music is utterly important. At least Zelda OOT level needed < 1225063262 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nope, the farthest I've done nethack is to get to the bottom of Gehennom a couple of times. Haven't really played it much; I did lurk in rec.games.roguelike.nethack some time, though. < 1225063292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is one major reason I love wesnoth, extremely good game music < 1225063301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I personally like the music, yes. Most soundtracks by Nobuo Uematsu. < 1225063332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brains made no connection on that name < 1225063343 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1225063351 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1225063357 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Final Fantasy is what he's mostly known for. < 1225063360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Finnish or Japanese is my guess < 1225063364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1225063365 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese. < 1225063370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh ok < 1225063379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish names rarely involve a 'b'. < 1225063385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1225063555 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The series is somewhat famous for the music, too, I think. Of course "famous" is a relative term here. < 1225063585 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: So I assume your comment was a "no", then? < 1225063586 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's 100 gil a night. would i know you were... < 1225063854 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1225063870 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hum... Hum..." < 1225064452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1225064499 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that was about the cost of spending a night in an inn. < 1225064505 0 :mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop JOIN :#esoteric < 1225064752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1225064778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you have any idea of any tool that could help figuring out why mail isn't *delivered* to a specific domain < 1225064789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even get any error back < 1225064791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing in logs < 1225064794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just.... void < 1225064898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: telnet to the server < 1225064899 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not much you can do if you're not responsible for the mail server of the target domain. If you have a connection where you can talk to the SMTP port of any host, you could check the MX records, connect to the mail server with telnet, and try sending that mail. < 1225064900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smtp is as simple as http < 1225064947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm responsible for mail at target < 1225064948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1225064958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think the issue may be due to mx records and subdomains < 1225064980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since delivering to foo@bar.org works but not foo@quux.bar.org < 1225064987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and setup seems correct < 1225064992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works on the server itself < 1225065078 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1225065207 0 :ENKI-][!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1225065461 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder if they bias the randomiser to ones that haven't been rated much yet < 1225065500 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually _no_ bias would work rather better, given that the daily comics archive starts around the big bang or so < 1225065520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtually no chance of collisions < 1225065536 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think the actual randomizer is biased to closer dates