00:00:04 <SimonRC> ehird: eh?
00:00:14 <ehird> SimonRC: Nothing.
00:00:23 <ehird> SimonRC: anyway i don't think you can
00:00:29 <SimonRC> ehird: excatly
00:00:50 <ehird> lol, i just read the logs
00:00:52 <ehird> so typical
00:01:00 <SimonRC> that was the joke I was making.  giving the most-general type of that function in Haskell is just as hard as getting vim to do what I was trying to do
00:01:03 <ehird> "It's a question about vim.
00:01:03 <ehird> Therefore, try emacs!"
00:01:11 <SimonRC> wel, harder actually, as vim has ways round it
00:01:11 <fizzie> ehird: Good, then I don't need to figure out how to pass on that "clarification".
00:01:19 <ehird> fizzie: "I HOPE YOU DO"
00:01:23 <ehird> Do you want to betray him? :-(
00:02:24 <SimonRC> well, vim's commands are a bit more typeable
00:02:38 * ehird sniffs. Poor AnMaster.
00:02:47 <SimonRC> I work with xm,l a lot and it is handy to be able to type f>ct<
00:02:50 <SimonRC> and the like
00:02:57 <fizzie> *Completely* unrelated, but what should I do with underload ^def command arguments? Push the whole input string on the initial stack, or split it somehow?
00:02:58 <ehird> xm,l
00:03:10 <ehird> fizzie: um
00:03:14 <ehird> do what ais523 was going to do
00:03:14 <SimonRC> ehird: as I said, 3 sec of lag
00:03:19 <ehird> basically
00:03:24 <ehird> push it as church numeras
00:03:25 <ehird> numerals
00:03:27 <ehird> of the ascii chars
00:03:32 <ehird> you'll have to figure out how to do a list in underload
00:03:33 <ehird> have fun.
00:03:55 <fizzie> Hrm.
00:04:18 <ehird> fizzie: i would say an underload linked list is just:
00:04:36 <ehird> (tip(tip-1(tip-2 SOME-NIL-SENTINEL)))
00:04:43 <ehird> SOME-NIL-SENTINEL would have to be detectable somehow
00:04:45 <ehird> ah!
00:04:46 <ehird> of course
00:04:47 <ehird> fizzie:
00:04:51 <ehird> for the list (a b c)
00:04:57 <AnMaster> fizzie, well?
00:05:02 <AnMaster> not going to do it I see
00:05:05 <AnMaster> *shrug*
00:05:07 <fizzie> AnMaster: He read the logs already.
00:05:10 <AnMaster> ok
00:05:13 <ehird> LOL
00:05:17 <ehird> did he ask you to pass it on again?
00:05:23 <ehird> he's so desperate i'll misunderstand him :'(
00:05:51 <ehird> fizzie: i've figured out a list structure
00:05:52 <ehird> sec
00:06:05 <AnMaster> ^echo I also suggested nano. Just FYI. If I have an issue with a program, and can't solve it, I often try some other program.
00:06:05 <fungot> I also suggested nano. Just FYI. If I have an issue with a program, and can't solve it, I often try some other program. I also suggested nano. Just FYI. If I have an issue with a program, and can't solve it, ...
00:06:20 <ehird> lol
00:06:21 <AnMaster> ^echo night...
00:06:21 <fungot> night... night...
00:06:23 <ehird> AnMaster: stop being a retard.
00:06:28 <ehird> if you have a problem with a program
00:06:30 <ehird> you try and solve it.
00:06:33 <ehird> by asking people
00:06:36 <AnMaster>  ehird!*@* added to ignore list.
00:06:39 <ehird> you don't change program.
00:06:42 <AnMaster> fizzie, you may want to tell ehird  that ^
00:06:52 * ehird checks logs
00:06:52 <AnMaster> and I *don't* read logs
00:06:52 <fizzie> ehird: He ignored you again.
00:06:54 <ehird> ignored?
00:06:55 <ehird> lol
00:06:59 <AnMaster> fizzie, what do you mean again?
00:06:59 <SimonRC> ehird: the anal master is /ignoring you too
00:07:01 <ehird> ^echo AnMaster two can play the ignore-avoidance game.
00:07:01 <fungot> AnMaster two can play the ignore-avoidance game. AnMaster two can play the ignore-avoidance game.
00:07:09 <fizzie> AnMaster: Haven't you done it before? I would think so.
00:07:22 <fizzie> In any case, that's about as much message-passing as I care to do.
00:07:26 <SimonRC> wait, that *is what your names stands for isn't it?
00:07:28 <AnMaster> ^echo Well you did it first, a few weeks ago iirc
00:07:28 <fungot> Well you did it first, a few weeks ago iirc Well you did it first, a few weeks ago iirc
00:07:34 <AnMaster> ^echo shrug
00:07:35 <fungot> shrug shrug
00:07:36 <ehird> SimonRC: i think it means annoying master.
00:07:42 <ehird> ^echo AnMaster - please shut up.
00:07:42 <fungot> AnMaster - please shut up. AnMaster - please shut up.
00:07:48 <ehird> ^echo I ignored you for a reason.
00:07:48 <fungot> I ignored you for a reason. I ignored you for a reason.
00:07:50 -!- fungot has left (?).
00:07:51 <ehird> anyway
00:07:54 <ehird> fizzie: list structure
00:07:55 <ehird> i has it
00:08:01 <AnMaster> fizzie, good
00:08:07 <ehird> ummmmmmm
00:08:09 <AnMaster> now I'm heading to bed *yawn*
00:08:10 <ehird> fizzie: what's dip in underload again
00:08:11 <ehird> oh
00:08:12 <ehird> nm
00:09:18 <ehird> fizzie:
00:09:18 <ehird> ((a)((b)()(a~*^)~a*^)(a~*^)~a*^)
00:09:20 <ehird> i think.
00:09:25 <ehird> that's (a b)
00:09:50 <ehird> oi fizzie
00:09:58 <ehird> im helping you :(
00:10:15 <fizzie> Is that worth a ":(" then?
00:10:22 <ehird> fizzie: just pay attention to me :-P
00:10:23 <ehird> basically
00:10:47 <ehird> LIST = (HEAD(TAIL)(a~*^)~a*^)
00:10:51 <ehird> where TAIL :: LIST
00:10:56 <ehird> fizzie: or
00:11:00 <ehird> LIST can also be
00:11:01 <ehird> ()
00:11:10 <ehird> i think you can use it like this:
00:11:15 <ehird> (S)LIST^
00:11:21 <ehird> fizzie: can i get fungot to test that?
00:11:28 <fizzie> Sure.
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00:11:43 <fizzie> I'm not in a very Underloady frame of mind today, but I am paying attention, fwiw.
00:11:45 <GregorR> ehird: Would you just let me see your effing bonko code already :P
00:11:51 <ehird> ^ul (S)((hello)()(a~*^)~a*^)^
00:11:52 <fungot> hello
00:12:07 <ehird> ^ul (S)((hello)((hello)()(a~*^)~a*^)(a~*^)~a*^)^
00:12:07 <fungot> hello
00:12:11 <ehird> fizzie: bugg :(
00:12:15 <ehird> oh, right
00:12:17 <fizzie> I'm sure you need a : somewhere.
00:13:12 <ehird> fizzie:
00:13:13 <ehird> well
00:13:15 <ehird> it executes the head
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00:13:18 <ehird> the issue is dropping up again
00:13:47 <ehird> fizzie: lets try this:
00:13:52 <ehird> (HEAD(TAIL)(a~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^^)
00:14:04 <ehird> ^ul (S)((hello)((world()(a~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^^))(a~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^^)^
00:14:04 <fungot> hello
00:14:07 <ehird> fizzie: :(
00:14:42 <ehird> fizzie: any ideas?
00:15:06 <fizzie> My Underload thinking goes slowly.
00:15:14 <ehird> ditto
00:15:18 <ehird> but here is my basic algorithm:
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00:15:39 <ehird> you have the program, then the head, then the tail
00:15:41 <ehird> so
00:15:43 <ehird> you use dip
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00:15:45 <ehird> so now you have
00:15:47 <ehird> program, then the head
00:15:49 <ehird> so now you flip
00:15:53 <ehird> the head, then the program
00:15:55 <ehird> and concat
00:15:57 <ehird> the head the program
00:15:59 <ehird> then run it
00:16:01 <ehird> but now you have no program
00:16:03 <ehird> SO
00:16:05 <ehird> you have the program, then the head then the tail
00:16:07 <ehird> dip
00:16:09 <ehird> the program, head
00:16:11 <ehird> swap
00:16:13 <ehird> head, the program
00:16:15 <ehird> dup
00:16:17 <ehird> head, the program, the program
00:16:19 <ehird> dip
00:16:21 <ehird> head, the program
00:16:23 <ehird> concat
00:16:25 <ehird> head the program
00:16:27 <ehird> run, finish dip
00:16:29 <ehird> the program
00:16:33 <ehird> finish dip
00:16:35 <ehird> the program the fail
00:16:37 <ehird> *tail
00:16:39 <ehird> and then run
00:16:41 <ehird> hmm
00:16:43 <ehird> nil should actually be (!)
00:16:45 <ehird> to eliminate the program
00:16:47 <ehird> fizzie: see my basic algo?
00:16:53 <ehird> <func><list>^ runs func for every element in list
00:18:15 <ehird> ((hello)((world)(!)(~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^^)(~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^^)
00:18:22 <ehird> ^ul (S)((hello)((world)(!)(~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^^)(~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^^)^
00:18:22 <fungot>  ...bad insn!
00:18:27 <ehird> fungot: huh?
00:18:27 <fungot> ehird: its only " real" programming language? are there significant advantages to that over using fnord fnord
00:18:30 <ehird> fizzie:
00:18:38 <ehird> ah wait
00:18:46 <ehird> ^ul (S)((hello)((world)(!)(~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^^)(~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^~*^)^
00:18:46 <fungot>  ...bad insn!
00:18:51 <ehird> ^ul (S)((hello)((world)(!)(~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^^)(~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^*^)^
00:18:51 <fungot>  ...bad insn!
00:18:57 <ehird> wtfoo
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00:21:07 <fizzie> I would rather start by using just ((foo)((bar)...)) -style lists instead of "something that evaluates top-of-stack for each element", given how much easier car and cdr sound for that sort of lists. But really, I'm not in an underloady mood. And sure, that sort of list might be trickier to use.
00:21:38 <ehird> hm.
00:21:40 <ehird> good point.
00:21:41 <ehird> but fizzie
00:21:46 <ehird> how do you check if you've reached the end of the list?
00:21:49 <ehird> how can you do == ()? :-P
00:22:30 <GregorR> <GregorR> ehird: Would you just let me see your effing bonko code already :P
00:22:38 <ehird> GregorR: i gave up on it
00:22:38 <ehird> :D
00:22:48 <GregorR> WELL THEN I GIVE UP ON YOU
00:22:58 <ehird> GregorR: ...ok :(
00:23:01 <fizzie> Maybe not plain ((foo)((bar)...)) then; maybe something more like (((foo)^)(((bar)^)(!))); but *really*, I don't want to think about Underload now.
00:23:15 <fizzie> Er, ~^ there instead of ^.
00:23:22 <ehird> fizzie: Oh, that could work.
00:23:24 <fizzie> It's easier to "detect" (!).
00:27:07 <fizzie> ^ul (((foo)~^)(((bar)~^)(()(!))))(~^~(S)~^~:^):^
00:27:07 <fungot> foobar
00:27:18 <ehird> fizzie: Hooray.
00:27:20 <ehird> Ok, so basically
00:27:33 <ehird> Make the input one of those lists, with the elements as the underload-church-numearls.
00:27:35 <ehird> And voila.
00:27:40 <ehird> :)
00:28:02 <fizzie> That sounds like quite a lot of stack, but...
00:28:55 <ehird> fizzie: You perhaps thought Underload was lightweight?
00:29:01 <ehird> fizzie: The alternative is to add a new char - say, @
00:29:09 <ehird> Which pushes a church numeral of the next input char on the stack.
00:29:11 <ehird> Or 0 on EOF.
00:29:22 <fizzie> Well, it does say "underload", it sounds small.
00:30:44 <fizzie> Converting those church numerals back to ASCII for output sounds like something which would pretty fast go over the IRC message length limits.
00:31:45 <ehird> fizzie: Oh. True.
00:31:53 <ehird> fizzie: Then you need _two_ new commands.
00:32:03 <ehird> @ to get a church numeral, $ to output a church numerally-thing as ascii. :\
00:33:05 <fizzie> I think I'll let ais523 to do the bleeding-edge feature-adding; as far as Underload is concerned, I'm happy to be a follower.
00:33:32 <ehird> fizzie: underload is abandoned, underlambda is what is being developed, i think.
00:41:22 <fizzie> I have a feeling I need sleep; early morning again, and getting 0145 around here.
00:42:15 <M0ny> 'night
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00:53:14 <SimonRC> outputting church numerals actually wouldn't be too hard
00:53:25 <ehird> SimonRC: it would you have to store every ascii char
00:53:27 <ehird> in the program
00:53:28 <SimonRC> you just feed increment into them and apply that to zero
00:53:34 <ehird> lol
00:53:37 <ehird> SimonRC: in underload?
00:53:43 <ehird> you couldnt do that.
00:53:49 <ehird> in underload, code blocks (aka strings) are opaque
00:54:02 <SimonRC> I meant as a primitive: output church numeral as ascii char
00:54:05 <ehird> ah
00:54:07 <ehird> well duh
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00:54:31 * SimonRC wonders if automatic-church-numeral-detection is practical
00:54:45 <ehird> tc
00:55:10 <ehird> SimonRC: its tc
00:55:22 <SimonRC> well, how about common cases then?
00:55:39 <ehird> sure, but thats not pure.
00:57:18 <SimonRC> "pure"?
00:57:24 <ehird> SimonRC: pure. clean
00:57:27 <ehird> elegant.
00:57:37 <SimonRC> :-S
00:57:46 <SimonRC> It might be anice optimisation
00:58:23 <ehird> underload is the slowest thing evr
01:00:04 <ehird> bye
01:06:17 * SimonRC goes, leaving you with this question: what character would be best paired with Godot in a slashfic?
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02:30:22 <GregorR> autoScheme can now be run in <head> to generate a <style> tag.
02:32:41 <Slereah> Huzzah!
04:11:03 <GregorR> WTF? Does Opera have problems with cookies in JavaScript? >_O
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05:37:23 <psygnisfive> GREATINGS BITCHES
05:59:06 <GregorR> Gratings, fishes.
06:14:35 <psygnisfive> hehe
06:28:19 <psygnisfive> http://wellnowwhat.net/trippy.html
06:28:26 <psygnisfive> new and improved
06:29:38 <omniscient_idiot> Lovely
06:29:57 * omniscient_idiot has a seizure
06:38:37 <psygnisfive> :)
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08:12:01 <oerjan> good thing i read the logs today or i would have no idea who is ihope
08:15:01 <psygnisfive> what?
08:15:01 <psygnisfive> lol
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08:48:25 <psygnisfive> 'Vibratory Telepathy.  By transmitting invisible vibrations through the very air itself, two users of this ability can share thoughts.  As a result, Vibratory Telepaths can form emotional bonds much deeper than those possible to other primates.'
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08:55:19 <oerjan> also, Vibratory Telepaths have great trouble with text-based internet fora.
09:00:50 <psygnisfive> :)
09:01:13 <pikhq> Interesting, but a bit... Bizarre.
09:01:17 <psygnisfive> :)
09:01:22 <psygnisfive> http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/10/mundane-magic.html
09:01:25 <psygnisfive> look at the rest ;)
09:01:29 <pikhq> Bizarre, hell.
09:01:31 * pikhq readeth
09:01:54 <pikhq> Maybe it'd make for good spells for GURPS?
09:01:57 <psygnisfive> -eth the archaic form of the 3rd person singular conjugation on verbs
09:02:18 <oerjan> i'm afraid i cannot read that, it's giving off bad vibrations
09:02:20 <pikhq> I'm actually well aware, but occasionally don't care.
09:02:20 <psygnisfive> eth, said with a voiceless th sound, eventually evolved into modern -(e)s
09:02:36 <pikhq> ;)
09:02:58 <psygnisfive> thus speaking with the -eth version makes you sound like you have a lisp
09:03:08 <pikhq> In modern English, sure.
09:03:14 * psygnisfive rapeth pikhq's mouth
09:03:22 <pikhq> In early modern, it merely sounds normal.
09:04:05 <psygnisfive> yes
09:04:06 <pikhq> Anyways, that site is brilliant.
09:04:07 <psygnisfive> but now it sounds gay
09:04:22 <oerjan> the obvious conclusion is that the early moderns were gay
09:04:32 <psygnisfive> i bet that at some time -eth became just -th
09:04:43 <pikhq> And that they reproduced out of a selfless desire to continue the species?
09:04:51 <psygnisfive> as -ed become just -d
09:05:36 <oerjan> but of course.  well, that and the strict anti-homosexuality laws.  a terrible paradox, that.
09:06:00 <psygnisfive> interestingly, homosexuality was apparently not as looked down upon back then as people think
09:06:10 <oerjan> execution with a hot poker and such stuff
09:06:13 <psygnisfive> not even gay marriage
09:06:26 <psygnisfive> tho back then means like 1600s or 1700s in my sense
09:06:49 <oerjan> shakethpeare wath very gay
09:07:11 <psygnisfive> probably bi
09:07:16 <psygnisfive> everyone was bi back then
09:07:41 <oerjan> then came the victorians and messed it all up.  or something.
09:07:59 <psygnisfive> i dont even care really
09:08:00 <psygnisfive> fuck the past
09:08:01 <psygnisfive> its over
09:08:05 <pikhq> The Victorians had incredibly repressed sexual mores...
09:08:14 <oerjan> in public.
09:08:48 <pikhq> And yet, they had some fairly ironic medical treatments. . .
09:09:00 <pikhq> Manual masturbation for 'feminine hysteria'.
09:09:17 <oerjan> should be quite relaxing you'd think.
09:09:24 <pikhq> Well, yes.
09:10:32 * psygnisfive manually masturbates oerjan for feminine hysteria
09:10:38 <oerjan> and i read just the other day on wp that Victoria herself liked drawings of male nudes
09:11:30 <oerjan> or was it paintings.
09:13:49 <oerjan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_morality in fact
09:14:17 <oerjan> "Another example of the gap between our preconceptions of Victorian sexuality and the facts is that contrary to what we might expect, Queen Victoria liked to draw and collect male nude figure drawings and even gave her husband one as a present."
09:15:03 <pikhq> So, they had a gap between public and private views of sexuality similar to the modern-day US's?
09:15:07 * oerjan is not particularly hysterical today, or feminine for that matter.
09:15:38 <oerjan> perhaps.
09:17:22 <psygnisfive> doubly good then!
09:17:32 * psygnisfive manually masturbates oerjan for fun
09:19:37 <oerjan> hey, a deer outside the window
09:26:12 <psygnisfive> cute :D
09:36:12 <pikhq> Yeah, that mundane magic page is one of the most brilliant things I've read in a long time.
09:36:44 <fizzie> Er, misread that as "hey, a deer masturbates outside the window" "cute".
09:37:08 <oerjan> thank you, fizzie.
09:39:42 <AnMaster> morning
09:39:55 * pikhq should go to sleep soon...
09:40:08 <AnMaster> pikhq, ah where in the world?
09:40:09 <oerjan> good moaning
09:40:14 <pikhq> 'Tis almost 04:00.
09:40:24 <pikhq> Midwest of the US.
09:40:27 <AnMaster> 09:40 here
09:40:30 <oerjan> pikhq is in antarctica.  he's secretly a penguin.
09:40:31 <AnMaster> Europe
09:41:37 <oerjan> plotting to use his devious ice machines to take over the world, but don't worry about that.
09:41:47 <pikhq> oerjan: No, but it'd be awesome to move there.
09:41:52 <pikhq> Alas, he's on to me.
09:41:52 <oerjan> that's why we started the global warming project, after all.
09:42:08 <AnMaster> sigh
09:42:21 <pikhq> The ice machines shall soon bring PEBBLE to all the world!!!
09:42:33 <pikhq> Let global cooling mark II commence!
09:42:51 <oerjan> ah yes, pebbles are a well known result of glaciers.
09:42:54 * pikhq watches as a full 1/2 of the Earth slowly gets colder over the next few months
09:43:54 <oerjan> that's not because of you, that's the polar bears' sinister doing.  but we'll get them in just a few years.
09:44:26 <oerjan> unless they learn to swim _really_ well.  BWAHAHAHAHA!!
09:44:40 <pikhq> I've been plotting with them.
09:44:47 <pikhq> Taught them how to swim and everything.
09:44:49 <pikhq> >:D
09:45:01 <oerjan> sure, but you never get the timing right.
09:45:08 <AnMaster> How would you shoot yourself in the foot using brainfuck?
09:45:12 <oerjan> always half a year out of phase
09:45:25 <oerjan> AnMaster: using PSOX
09:45:33 <AnMaster> oerjan, ugh
09:45:38 <oerjan> and the bullet extension
09:45:39 <AnMaster> heh
09:46:17 <pikhq> AnMaster: I'd write a bullet macro and a gun macro, and call it as follows: gun bullet > foot : temp1 temp2 temp3 temp4 temp5 temp6 temp7 temp8 temp9 temp10
09:46:39 <AnMaster> pikhq, is that in some high level language compiling to bf?
09:47:15 <oerjan> that's PEBBLE, the coolest language in the world.  after all it's used in the ice machines.
09:47:17 <AnMaster> What about these languages then: Unlambda, Underload, Befunge-98, Funge-98
09:47:31 <AnMaster> well I meant real BF
09:47:39 <oerjan> for the first two use PSOX there too
09:47:53 <AnMaster> err
09:47:55 <AnMaster> Befunge-93
09:47:57 <oerjan> the latter two use the EXPL funge fingerprint
09:47:59 <AnMaster> and Funge-98
09:48:07 <AnMaster> typoed that
09:48:08 <oerjan> oh 93 needs PSOX i think
09:48:27 <pikhq> PEBBLE compiles into Brainfuck.
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12:28:18 <oklopol> so, what's your favorite apple?
12:41:49 <oklopol> :|
12:41:56 <oklopol> well aren't you a merry bunch.
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13:14:28 <oklopol> optbot!
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13:14:32 <oklopol> optbot!
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13:14:37 <oklopol> :)
13:14:40 <oklopol> indeed it is.
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13:36:30 <AnMaster> <oklopol> so, what's your favorite apple? <-- Apple ][
13:37:38 <AnMaster> oklopol, that wasn't hard ;P
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13:52:11 <oklopol> AnMaster: the correct answer was "fruit"
13:52:54 <AnMaster> oklopol, I disagree
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14:03:53 <AnMaster> oklopol, apple core dumped
14:03:54 <AnMaster> ;P
14:04:01 <AnMaster> </bad joke>
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15:08:37 <M0ny> plop
15:57:21 <AnMaster> M0ny, hm
15:57:34 <AnMaster> M0ny, why not "hi"
15:57:37 <AnMaster> why "plop"?
15:57:49 <M0ny> why not ?
15:58:47 <AnMaster> M0ny, I asked first
15:58:55 <M0ny> damned
15:59:14 <AnMaster> M0ny, hm?
15:59:21 <M0ny> i don't know
15:59:27 <M0ny> "plop" is cute
16:04:32 <ehird> oh lord
16:04:34 <ehird> did AnMaster ask that again?
16:04:38 <ehird> WHY PLOP WHY PLOP WHY PLOP WAAAAAAA
16:05:22 <M0ny> ^^
16:39:26 <oklopol> o
16:39:35 <oklopol> fyug fol otol
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16:50:39 <AnMaster> oklopol, hm?
16:53:05 <oklopol> yes.
16:53:54 <oerjan> that's what YOU think
16:55:54 <oklopol> owning c++ people @ speed using python, that's what i call sex
16:57:09 <oerjan> always the sex talk with this channel
16:57:35 <oerjan> sometimes even when on topic
16:58:10 <oerjan> is it like this on other irc channels too?  i wouldn't know.
17:02:14 <omniscient_idiot> <3 python
17:06:01 <oklopol> oerjan: more or less
17:06:30 <ehird> oerjan: none of us have lives
17:06:31 <oklopol> "sex" isn't really sex talk in that context
17:06:33 <ehird> and we're all nerds
17:06:45 <ehird> most of us like, 1x-2y
17:06:49 <oerjan> oh noes!
17:06:53 <ehird> where x>5 and y<7
17:06:55 <ehird> i guess.
17:06:56 <oerjan> i would NEVER have guessed
17:07:04 <ehird> oerjan: yeah, well
17:07:06 <ehird> there's your answer
17:07:07 <ehird> :-P
17:08:33 <oerjan> so, at least -9
17:08:47 <ehird> oerjan: that was a range
17:08:48 <ehird> >:(
17:08:57 <ehird> and x and y were digits
17:08:58 <ehird> :P
17:09:19 <oerjan> how dare you redefine standard math notation!
17:09:30 <ehird> oerjan: because.
17:10:28 <oerjan> seeing as how neither you nor i is within that range...
17:11:32 <ehird> oerjan: i said 'most'
17:12:13 <oklopol> well ehird is too *young and naive* to talk about sex, and you... well you've probably forgotten what it means
17:12:30 <ehird> me? young and naive? ha :-P
17:12:34 <ehird> well.
17:12:35 <ehird> the first part.
17:12:37 <ehird> :p
17:12:40 <oklopol> i mean, you have to be pretty mature to be able to make sex jokes.
17:12:49 <ehird> i think oerjan is actually my age
17:12:50 <ehird> prove me wrong.
17:13:15 <oerjan> mentally that may be true.
17:13:41 <oerjan> ok i'm nowhere near as snide, but still...
17:14:06 <ehird> actually, i think oerjan and fizzie are actually different personalities of the same person
17:14:37 <oerjan> split personality, i guess
17:14:46 <oerjan> very well hidden from each other
17:15:02 <omniscient_idiot> multiple personality disorder :)
17:15:41 <oerjan> the hard part is setting up two different virtual pcs on the same laptop without either noticing the other, i think
17:15:42 <ehird> conclusion: fizzerjan is actually my age.
17:16:10 <ehird> oerjan: also, how to be logged in via a norweigan and finnish isp simultaneously
17:16:25 <oerjan> maybe
17:17:02 <oerjan> actually since the norwegian one is a shell account it's not that hard
17:17:15 <oerjan> as far as you know, that is
17:17:16 <ehird> true, true
17:18:34 <oerjan> (unless you paid particular attention when i had that bot on #irp)
17:19:28 <oerjan> oh, and i guess i've visited your website too, so you may have my real ISP information there too
17:20:05 <ehird> oerjan: bot on #irp? huh
17:20:17 <oerjan> it was several months ago
17:20:17 <ehird> oerjan: also you could have voted via the shell
17:20:18 <ehird> :-P
17:20:26 <oerjan> what voting?
17:20:27 <ehird> also, how on earth did that work
17:20:35 <ehird> ...
17:20:36 <ehird> what voting?
17:20:36 <ehird> what
17:20:45 <ehird> ohhhh
17:20:47 <ehird> oerjan: visited
17:20:49 <ehird> visited via the shell
17:21:13 <oerjan> i could, but i haven't
17:22:05 <ehird> oerjan: how can i trust you... FIZZERJAN
17:22:25 <oerjan> you cannot.  in fact i don't really exist.
17:22:33 <oerjan> i am just a figment of your imagination.
17:22:39 <ehird> oerjan: so is everyone else.
17:22:42 <ehird> apart from oklopol
17:22:43 <oerjan> true, true
17:22:45 <ehird> i am a figment of oklopol's imagination
17:25:25 <AnMaster> oerjan, two vritual pcs on the same laptop?
17:25:32 <AnMaster> using virtual box or?
17:25:45 <oerjan> ARGH!
17:25:51 <oerjan> how should i know?
17:26:07 <oerjan> it's all obviously done by a third, overarching personality
17:26:18 <AnMaster> oerjan, oh
17:26:20 <AnMaster> right
17:26:41 <oerjan> a superhacker, i assume
17:26:49 <ehird> oerjan: i.e., fizzerjan
17:27:04 <oerjan> that makes sense
17:27:47 <ehird> oerjan: but fizzerjan is a figment of my imagination
17:27:48 <ehird> hmm
17:27:57 <ehird> why do converstaions with you always end up putting life in a paradoxical singularity
17:27:59 <ehird> seriously.
17:28:04 <ehird> also WHY THE FUCK CAN'T I TYPE
17:28:07 <ehird> two days ago i could
17:28:11 <ehird> but what is UP with me now
17:28:19 <AnMaster> ehird, still ignoring?
17:28:21 <oerjan> because you insist on treating them seriously
17:28:34 <AnMaster> guess so
17:29:06 <ehird> no i do not
17:29:09 <AnMaster> ah
17:29:37 <oerjan> good.  ignoring a figment of your imagination is probably not healthy.
17:29:45 <AnMaster> bbl food
17:30:47 * oerjan seconds that
17:31:47 <ehird> * fizzie seconds that
17:38:00 <oklopol> err how many seconds?
17:38:01 <AnMaster> heh
17:38:15 <AnMaster> ehird, so what is your last project?
17:38:16 <oerjan> about 500
17:38:19 <ehird> oklopol: 3333333333
17:38:20 <oklopol> 8|
17:38:26 <oklopol> oerjan: that's definitely over the time limit
17:39:24 <oerjan> but i had to put in a new garbage bag
17:41:04 <oklopol> yeah, i guess that solves it
17:41:13 <oklopol> but it's not exactly the clean way to do it
17:41:54 <oerjan> well the new bag was clean
17:42:01 <oerjan> or reasonably so
17:43:16 <ehird> um
17:43:19 <ehird> that conversation
17:43:21 <ehird> is it meant to make sense
17:43:27 <oerjan> which one?
17:43:34 <oklopol> indeed, which one?
17:43:45 <oklopol> i mean, it's not like i have a bag full of sugars myself...
17:43:51 <ehird> oklopol: oerjan: that's definitely over the time limit
17:43:52 <ehird> [16:39] oerjan: but i had to put in a new garbage bag
17:43:52 <ehird> [16:41] oklopol: yeah, i guess that solves it
17:43:52 <ehird> [16:41] oklopol: but it's not exactly the clean way to do it
17:43:52 <ehird> [16:41] oerjan: well the new bag was clean
17:43:54 <ehird> [16:42] oerjan: or reasonably so
17:43:56 <oerjan> it's just your overactive imagination
17:44:22 <oerjan> ehird: i just explained to oklopol why i went over the time limit
17:44:38 <ehird> >_< whaaaaattttttt
17:44:48 <oerjan> why there is a time limit, i don't know
17:45:21 <oklopol> yeah you do, you're just ashamed of it
17:45:23 <oklopol> you shouldn't be.
17:46:54 <ehird> i just kind of...eat...
17:46:56 <ehird> doors...
17:47:08 <ehird> :}
17:47:14 * oerjan is eating too, which is how this started
17:47:16 <oklopol> well you have to make the visible first.
17:47:19 <oklopol> *them
17:47:42 <oerjan> well, it started with AnMaster, but that's not important unless you were ignoring him
17:47:59 <ehird> ah.
17:48:01 <ehird> i am
17:48:03 <ehird> so that explains things
17:48:44 <oerjan> fancy that
17:49:28 * oerjan resolves to make more comments that make no sense without listening to AnMaster in the future
17:50:30 <ehird> that's right AnMaster
17:50:35 <ehird> chickens DO do that.
17:50:50 <oerjan> to get to the other side.
17:50:58 <ehird> no no no
17:51:00 <ehird> in mating season.
17:51:14 <AnMaster> do what?
17:51:15 <oerjan> before or after the eggs?
17:51:21 <AnMaster> oerjan, hah
17:51:27 <ehird> inbetwixt.
17:51:29 <ehird> yes, AnMaster, I know that.
17:51:38 <AnMaster> know what?
17:51:43 <oerjan> now that's funny, i try to confuse ehird and end up confusing AnMaster instead
17:51:47 <ehird> sheesh. don't belittle my intelligence
17:52:10 <ehird> AnMaster: Shut up about your boots.
17:52:13 <ehird> Your boots are GREEN.
17:52:18 <ehird> Chickens don't even wear boots...
17:52:23 <ehird> what the heck are you blabbing on about
17:52:25 <AnMaster> ehird, you are ignoring me and I'm going to ignore you too if you don't stop these silly highlights
17:52:27 <AnMaster> *sigh*
17:53:04 <oerjan> maybe that's for the best.
17:53:11 <ehird> AnMaster: to be fair, your chicken order WAS delightful
17:53:16 <ehird> depsite involving boots
17:53:17 <ehird> i propose a truce.
17:53:24 <ehird> no, no, not a whirlpool
17:53:26 <ehird> a _truce_
17:53:39 <AnMaster>  ehird!*@* added to ignore list.
17:53:40 <AnMaster> sigh
17:53:43 <oerjan> i am afraid we have succeeded in fracturing ehird's mind
17:53:50 <AnMaster> oerjan, indeed
17:53:59 <ehird> oerjan: shut up with your COMMUNIST IDEALS
17:54:03 <ehird> AnMaster's chickens will stop them, I'm sure
17:54:14 <oerjan> ehird: ignorance is strength
17:54:20 <ehird> oerjan: communist
17:54:25 <ehird> oerjan: btw, you can confuse both me and AnMaster
17:54:28 <oerjan> ehird: fascist
17:54:33 <ehird> just talk to me and AnMaster
17:54:35 <ehird> simultaneously
17:54:44 <oerjan> that's brilliant!
17:54:50 <ehird> yes it is
17:55:06 <ehird> oerjan: so how is your chicken vat
17:55:11 <oerjan> especially if it almost makes sense in both cases
17:55:21 <ehird> you're giving it away damnit
17:55:22 <oerjan> i don't have a chicken
17:55:26 <ehird> oh
17:55:27 <ehird> i do.
17:56:05 <oerjan> my aunt used to have chickens, i remember
17:56:06 <AnMaster> oerjan, chickens are tasty
17:56:11 <AnMaster> don't you agree?
17:56:18 <ehird> tell me again, why are you a communist?
17:56:22 <oerjan> very tasty
17:56:35 <ehird> yes
17:56:37 <oerjan> i am not!
17:56:43 <ehird> are your chickens communistically tasty
17:56:45 <oerjan> well maybe
17:56:54 <ehird> you haven't involved AnMaster yet, oerjan
17:57:00 <AnMaster> afk, food
17:57:00 <ehird> ...
17:57:01 <ehird> or have you
17:57:05 <oerjan> you know nothing about that
17:57:14 <oerjan> will you have chicken?
17:57:46 <ehird> yes
17:57:49 <ehird> as long as it's tasty.
17:57:50 <AnMaster> oerjan, maybe
17:57:54 <oerjan> i wasn't asking you.
17:58:00 <AnMaster> oerjan, but really, chicken and ice cream!?
17:58:01 <AnMaster> nah
17:58:04 <AnMaster> probably not
17:58:09 <ehird> oerjan: yes you were
17:58:25 <oerjan> that wasn't to you either
17:58:27 <AnMaster> don't know the English word for namnsdag
17:58:39 <oerjan> like, names?
17:58:58 <ehird> oerjan: dont' give chicken names
17:59:00 <AnMaster> oerjan, namnsdag, as in name-day
17:59:04 <ehird> because
17:59:06 <ehird> they are less tasty then
17:59:07 <AnMaster> http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namnsdag
17:59:11 <ehird> or, communists, but they always dislike 'em
17:59:22 <oerjan> those are saints aren't they, at least in catholicism
17:59:24 <AnMaster> oerjan, very common in Sweden, but not elsewhere I guess
17:59:38 <AnMaster> oerjan, saints?
18:00:19 <AnMaster> oerjan, actually not today, but dad wasn't home yesterday, so we moved the festivities one day
18:01:05 <oerjan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_day
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18:01:38 <oerjan> the alternative language links in wikipedia are useful for such things
18:01:55 <ehird> optbot do return with new!
18:01:59 <ehird> new data set - of new
18:02:05 <AnMaster> now afk
18:02:29 <ehird> guys...
18:02:30 <ehird> of new!
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18:02:35 <ehird> XD
18:02:40 <ehird> but now you live again
18:02:44 <AnMaster> optbot, so how are you?
18:02:52 <AnMaster> !?
18:02:57 <AnMaster> broken I guess
18:03:00 <oerjan> it's alive!
18:03:38 <oerjan> is something wrong with optbot?
18:03:41 <GregorR> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=140#comic
18:03:48 <oerjan> seems so
18:04:27 <ehird> huh
18:04:51 <ehird> wtf
18:04:52 <ehird> it wont die
18:05:42 <oerjan> it's had enough of that dying business
18:05:48 <oerjan> optbot!
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18:05:55 <ehird> phew
18:06:12 <ehird> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
18:06:12 <ehird> .....
18:06:14 <ehird> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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18:06:46 <ehird> optbot: yo
18:06:46 <optbot> ehird: 1.5 MBit.
18:06:50 <ehird> optbot: bitches!! yea!!
18:06:50 <optbot> ehird: !hangman
18:06:55 <ehird> optbot: test
18:06:57 <ehird> ahhhhhh.
18:07:00 <ehird> disowning kills i
18:07:00 <ehird> t
18:07:02 <ehird> wtfoo.
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18:07:22 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | i was trying to beat you to it :p.
18:07:25 <ehird> optbot: yo
18:07:26 <optbot> ehird: it was missing
18:07:29 <ehird> optbot: bitches
18:07:29 <optbot> ehird: :)
18:07:33 <ehird> optbot: :D
18:07:34 <optbot> ehird: gn
18:07:38 <ehird> optbot: gnnnnnnnnn
18:07:38 <AnMaster> back
18:07:38 <optbot> ehird: no way
18:07:40 <ehird> holy fuck
18:07:42 <ehird> huntd is at 95% cpu
18:07:51 <AnMaster> optbot, hi
18:07:52 <optbot> AnMaster: ah
18:08:01 <AnMaster> optbot, ah what?
18:08:01 <optbot> AnMaster: interesting way to express large numbers: "For example, it can be shown that there are 33, 665, 406 possible expressions over the numbers 1, 3, 7, 10, 25, 50, but only 4, 672, 540 of these expressions evaluate successfully, which is just under 14%."
18:08:02 <ehird> optbot: why are you talking to AnMaster
18:08:03 <optbot> ehird: I can't see the ()s being used for anything else there
18:08:07 <psygnisfive> hy kids
18:08:09 <psygnisfive> hey*
18:08:33 <AnMaster> optbot, tell me about ehird
18:08:33 <optbot> AnMaster: I don't watch pron... :P
18:08:39 <AnMaster> optbot, good for you
18:08:40 <optbot> AnMaster: I think it could be made to generate bfasm code
18:08:41 <oerjan> psygnisfive: be careful, they're not talking
18:08:51 <oerjan> ehird is pron?
18:09:09 <AnMaster> optbot, really?
18:09:10 <optbot> AnMaster: only if wallmart sells walls for martians
18:09:10 <oerjan> optbot: some may find that disturbing
18:09:11 <optbot> oerjan: thanks :) but have you got chocolate?
18:09:20 <AnMaster> optbot, they do?
18:09:20 <optbot> AnMaster: 12
18:09:25 <AnMaster> optbot, no 13
18:09:26 <optbot> AnMaster: > (set x 5)
18:09:26 <oerjan> optbot: alas, no
18:09:27 <optbot> oerjan: print "Hello World!".
18:09:33 <oerjan> Hello World!
18:09:43 <AnMaster> optbot, hah
18:09:44 <optbot> AnMaster: sounds challenging. :) i just remembered
18:09:50 <AnMaster> optbot, oh right
18:09:50 <optbot> AnMaster: so
18:09:56 <AnMaster> so what optbot?
18:09:56 <optbot> AnMaster: i don't like it
18:10:12 <AnMaster> optbot, it == ehird? I understand that easily enough.
18:10:12 <optbot> AnMaster: but you can't mount the directories until the installer has created them
18:10:26 <AnMaster> well
18:10:33 <AnMaster> you could run mkdir to do it optbot
18:10:34 <optbot> AnMaster: Does all jazz sound dissonant to you?
18:10:44 <AnMaster> optbot, not really
18:10:44 <optbot> AnMaster: rather difficult to match 5 letters with 4 statements
18:10:53 <AnMaster> err
18:10:54 <AnMaster> what?
18:10:58 <ehird> i wonder what it is
18:11:03 <ehird> maybe AnMaster was feeding poor optbot cfunge.
18:11:04 <optbot> ehird: brb
18:11:17 <oerjan> optbot: do you funge?
18:11:18 <optbot> oerjan: maybe scrap the Generator and have each Device created be a random one.
18:11:29 <AnMaster> optbot, no I'm not
18:11:29 <optbot> AnMaster: brb making interpreter
18:11:35 <AnMaster> optbot, what+1
18:11:36 <optbot> AnMaster: you can find all the revisions in the wiki data dir
18:11:54 <AnMaster> optbot, nice version control system idea
18:11:54 <optbot> AnMaster: i'm writing a brute-force tic-tac-toe algo for the hell of it
18:12:07 <AnMaster> heh that would be quite simple
18:13:18 <ehird> optbot: AnMaster: i'm writing a brute-force tic-tac-toe algo for the hell of it
18:13:19 <optbot> ehird: R.I.P.
18:13:19 <ehird> i said that
18:13:36 <AnMaster> ehird, you did?
18:13:47 <AnMaster> interesting
18:14:02 <AnMaster> (and no I'm not, currently, ignoring)
18:14:19 <AnMaster> optbot, well yes
18:14:20 <optbot> AnMaster: You as the author have the right to do what you wish, but by default everyone else has no right whatsoever to it.
18:14:33 <ehird> optbot: you... copyrightist!
18:14:34 <optbot> ehird: So just what will you be editing?
18:14:35 <AnMaster> optbot, I know licensing
18:14:35 <optbot> AnMaster: well
18:14:41 <AnMaster> optbot, but I GPL
18:14:42 <optbot> AnMaster: Those are the ones logged on tunes.org
18:14:42 <ehird> optbot: COPYRIGHT
18:14:42 <optbot> ehird: the digits are clusters of two letters
18:15:05 <AnMaster> optbot, the logs yes
18:15:05 <optbot> AnMaster: you said it took you an hour
18:15:06 <oerjan> COPYLOWERLEFTCORNER
18:15:13 <AnMaster> optbot, what ?
18:15:13 <optbot> AnMaster: it is possible.
18:15:32 <AnMaster> optbot, you are seriously confused.
18:15:32 <optbot> AnMaster: rewrite it to use the cool stuff
18:15:42 <AnMaster> oooh POSIX.1-2008?
18:15:48 <AnMaster> optbot, nice idea.
18:15:49 <optbot> AnMaster: +ul (o)S( o)(~(ko)*:S~:^):^
18:15:55 <AnMaster> +ul (o)S( o)(~(ko)*:S~:^):^
18:15:59 <AnMaster> ^ul (o)S( o)(~(ko)*:S~:^):^
18:15:59 <fungot> o oko okoko okokoko okokokoko okokokokoko okokokokokoko okokokokokokoko okokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokok ...too much output!
18:16:01 <AnMaster> hm
18:16:02 <AnMaster> right
18:16:10 <AnMaster> optbot, very well
18:16:11 <optbot> AnMaster: in TI-BASIC? ;)
18:16:14 <AnMaster> NO!
18:16:17 <AnMaster> optbot, NEVER!
18:16:17 <optbot> AnMaster: I don't hold any esolang stuff in there so far; I was about to write a page dedicated to Malbolge as the result of working on this
18:16:32 <AnMaster> optbot, um ok...
18:16:32 <optbot> AnMaster: what I'm wondering too
18:16:41 <AnMaster> optbot, hah
18:16:42 <optbot> AnMaster: you removed my "cocks" comment :(
18:16:49 <AnMaster> optbot, heh
18:16:50 <optbot> AnMaster: this one guy listened to finntroll, a finnish band that sings in swedish... he said he likes how finnish sounds, so i told him that's swedish, not finnish... he said he can't hear the difference
18:17:07 <AnMaster> optbot, hehe!?
18:17:08 <optbot> AnMaster: because the content of 'message' is HTML
18:17:13 <AnMaster> oh
18:17:19 <AnMaster> optbot, I see
18:17:20 <optbot> AnMaster: assembly language running on a PDP-11 emulator running on a Nintendo DS
18:17:29 <AnMaster> now that is a great idea
18:17:45 <AnMaster> fungot, don't you agree?
18:17:46 <fungot> AnMaster: this isn't really a sane way to do good vm instruction dispatch?' tries `eq?'.
18:18:21 <AnMaster> afk
18:19:55 <AnMaster> fungot, should I try awesomewm since I can't stand KDE4?
18:19:55 <fungot> AnMaster: ' alist' does _not_, by the way, if i do an infinite loop
18:20:04 <AnMaster> ^bool should I try awesomewm since I can't stand KDE4?
18:20:07 <AnMaster> ^show
18:20:07 <fungot> echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help
18:20:14 <AnMaster> ^help
18:20:14 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^bool
18:20:19 <AnMaster> ^bool
18:20:19 <fungot> Yes.
18:20:26 <AnMaster> oh
18:20:28 <AnMaster> ok
18:20:31 <ehird> soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
18:20:33 <AnMaster> I was planning to anyway
18:20:47 <ehird> optbot: wat suld i koed
18:20:47 <optbot> ehird: This is nice and clean, IMO.
18:20:56 <ehird> oklopol: wat suld i koed
18:22:11 * oerjan suggest a spell checker
18:22:17 <oerjan> ARGH!
18:22:21 <AnMaster> oerjan, I second you
18:22:25 <ehird> oerjan: muphry's law
18:22:28 <AnMaster> (+90 seconds)
18:22:29 <oerjan> make that a grammar checker too
18:22:37 <AnMaster> oerjan, yes
18:22:39 <AnMaster> I agree
18:23:02 <AnMaster> oerjan, lets confuse ehird even more :D
18:23:16 <AnMaster> though I bet he is log reading actually
18:23:19 <oerjan> but that's no fun
18:23:29 <AnMaster> oerjan, confusing ehird? Hm too easy I guess
18:23:53 <oerjan> and besides, he wouldn't fall for it
18:24:16 <AnMaster> oerjan, nah he would way too easily
18:24:49 <ehird> oerjan: you're talking to AnMaster aren't you.
18:24:54 <AnMaster> oerjan, and how is the chicken?
18:25:07 <oerjan> i TOLD you i don't have a chicken
18:25:18 <AnMaster> oerjan, now you told ehird.
18:25:19 <AnMaster> not me
18:25:26 <AnMaster> no*
18:25:31 <AnMaster> s/now/no/
18:25:32 <AnMaster> even
18:25:40 <ehird> you can't use my own tricks against me
18:25:43 <ehird> nice try.
18:26:00 <oerjan> it was more fun when you were both ignoring each other
18:26:08 <ehird> um
18:26:09 <AnMaster> oerjan, I weren't actually back then :P
18:26:10 <ehird> i am ignoring AnMaster
18:26:16 <oerjan> ah
18:26:20 <ehird> it's just that he's so predictable :-P
18:26:24 <AnMaster> oerjan, I was ignoring him long enough to stop highlighting me
18:26:30 <oerjan> now _that's_ brilliant :D
18:26:40 <AnMaster> oerjan, thanks
18:27:07 <ehird> oerjan: it wasn't that brilliant
18:27:09 <ehird> just a statement of fact
18:27:14 <ehird> (Yes, you were likely talking to AnMaster.)
18:27:15 <AnMaster> oerjan, I switched off ignore after the first time above you said that's brilliant to ehird. and then did log reading
18:27:20 <oerjan> darn
18:27:38 <AnMaster> oerjan, so I managed to trick you it seems :D
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18:28:22 <AnMaster> oerjan, anyway what about your aardvark  then?
18:28:36 <ehird> oerjan: did you really think that would fool me
18:28:37 <AnMaster> oerjan, how is he/she?
18:29:03 <AnMaster> oerjan, *poke*
18:30:16 <AnMaster> oerjan, hello?
18:30:19 <AnMaster> oh well
18:30:25 <oerjan> you weren't supposed to confuse ME :(
18:30:28 <AnMaster> tell me about your aardvark.
18:30:37 <oerjan> i don't HAVE one
18:30:52 <ehird> you are quite obviously talking to AnMaster now.
18:30:53 <AnMaster> oerjan, what pets do you have then?
18:30:54 <oerjan> new theory: AnMaster = ehird
18:31:03 <ehird> heh. i'd have trouble annoying myself that much
18:31:08 <ehird> being that predictable takes some effort.
18:31:12 * AnMaster agrees with ehird 
18:31:19 <AnMaster> I'd say the same about him
18:31:24 <oerjan> but that explains how you manage to confuse me
18:31:41 <AnMaster> oerjan, So... what pets do you have?
18:31:49 <ehird> i wonder if i annoyed AnMaster enough he'd leave.
18:31:55 <AnMaster> no way
18:31:56 <oerjan> not many
18:31:56 <AnMaster> never
18:32:07 <AnMaster> oerjan, oh? what ones do you have then?
18:32:15 <oerjan> i think there may be some spiders somewhere here
18:32:20 <ehird> Maybe I could use my botflood script.
18:32:23 <ehird> Though I'd get banned here.
18:32:25 <AnMaster> oerjan, ew
18:32:26 <ehird> Hmm. Maybe in /msg.
18:33:20 <AnMaster> and no way you would get me to leave ever
18:34:14 <ehird> i wonder if he's ranting to the void.
18:34:23 <oerjan> not at the moment
18:34:31 <AnMaster> oerjan, I never do
18:34:35 <AnMaster> also yes I'm ehird
18:34:36 <ehird> oerjan: thank you for the information
18:34:46 <AnMaster> oerjan, more split personality than you
18:34:57 <oerjan> although he started immediately afterwards
18:35:03 <ehird> i imagine AnMaster will always stay here, even if just to annoy me.
18:35:10 <ehird> it's not likehe seemst o have anything better to od.
18:35:12 <ehird> ow
18:35:14 <ehird> that sentence is messed
18:35:18 <AnMaster> oh yes it was
18:35:19 <oerjan> that would be about a summeary
18:35:32 <ehird> what
18:35:44 <AnMaster> ehird, this I believe is due to you feeling so bad for ignoring me :P
18:35:45 <oerjan> of recent rants
18:36:11 <AnMaster> no I don't rant
18:36:20 <AnMaster> oerjan, ehird may rant, I don't. I discuss
18:36:24 <AnMaster> ;P
18:36:46 <AnMaster> oerjan, sure you don't have either aardvark or chickens?
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18:36:49 <oerjan> well the first part is true
18:36:52 <AnMaster> maybe your other personality does?
18:37:09 <oerjan> aardvarks are not norwegian animals
18:37:12 <oerjan> or finnish afaik
18:37:24 <AnMaster> oerjan, What has Finnish got to do with it?
18:37:37 <ehird> more attempts to confuse me?
18:37:42 <ehird> oerjan: surely you have more class.
18:37:44 <oerjan> sheesh, pay attention!
18:38:03 <AnMaster> oerjan, hm...
18:38:05 <oerjan> fizzie is finnish
18:38:10 <AnMaster> oerjan, well yeah
18:38:17 <AnMaster> oh he is your alterego?
18:38:21 <AnMaster> nice one
18:38:35 <oerjan> right you _were_ ignoring ehird then...
18:38:46 <AnMaster> oerjan, well I was for a bit, but not all the time
18:38:53 <AnMaster> it went back and forth several times
18:39:11 * oerjan wonders if Back is a programming language
18:39:19 <AnMaster> maybe
18:39:20 <AnMaster> why?
18:39:27 <oerjan> because Forth is
18:39:29 <oerjan> sheesh
18:39:30 <AnMaster> ah
18:39:32 <AnMaster> right
18:39:33 <AnMaster> GAH
18:39:47 <ehird> heh, AnMaster's lack of a sense of humour is more amusing when you only see one side
18:39:54 * oerjan ships AnMaster to Pun Comprehension Classes
18:39:57 <ehird> oerjan wonders if Back is a programming language
18:39:57 <ehird> [17:39] oerjan: because Forth is
18:39:58 <ehird> [17:39] oerjan: sheesh
18:40:15 <AnMaster> oerjan, I don't like puns
18:40:16 <AnMaster> :/
18:40:24 <oerjan> oh
18:40:36 * oerjan sulks in the corner
18:40:51 <AnMaster> oerjan, I don't hate it, but usually I don't find puns that funny
18:41:12 <ehird> oerjan: why the sulking?
18:41:27 <AnMaster> also it is an issue with not being a native English speaker
18:41:34 <oerjan> AnMaster doesn't like puns :´(
18:41:46 <AnMaster> hm ehird reminds me of Drav, oversized ego
18:41:48 <warrie> I think I'll tell some halves of jokes.
18:41:49 <ehird> oerjan: sheesh. how unlikeable
18:41:54 <oerjan> who's Drav?
18:41:56 <warrie> Why did the blonde tear apart the newspaper?
18:42:03 <AnMaster> oerjan, someone with an oversized ego
18:42:07 <AnMaster> oerjan, who loves OS X
18:42:07 <ehird> warrie: a
18:42:17 <warrie> How do you kill a blonde?
18:42:22 <AnMaster> I believe he *is* Drav, except ehird is a better programmer
18:42:29 <ehird> warrie: a
18:42:29 <AnMaster> so doesn't fit
18:42:41 <warrie> Once, I was driving down the road, when I saw a blonde in a boat out in a field.
18:42:46 <warrie> ehird: why the a?
18:42:50 <ehird> warrie: a
18:42:53 <ehird> because a
18:42:54 <ehird> idiot
18:42:55 <ehird> :|
18:42:56 <ehird> duh
18:42:57 <warrie> Oh.
18:42:58 <ehird> so obvious.
18:42:59 <ehird> right oklopol
18:43:23 <AnMaster> well
18:43:29 <AnMaster> it was half a joke certainly
18:43:31 <oerjan> well at least you got an a
18:44:05 <AnMaster> if you could words
18:44:25 <warrie> Why did the blonde get an A on her test?
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18:44:38 <AnMaster> warrie, I don't know, why?
18:44:38 <ehird> warrie: a
18:44:43 * oerjan swats warrie ----###
18:44:49 <warrie> I think that half-joke was subconsciously influenced by oerjan.
18:44:56 <warrie> AnMaster: sorry, that's the only half you get.
18:45:06 <AnMaster> warrie, ah
18:45:40 <oerjan> i don't want to hit anyone with a frying pan again, but if you keep telling half jokes...
18:45:55 <AnMaster> oerjan, I think they are great
18:46:21 <AnMaster> Why did a blond swat oerjan with a frying pan?
18:46:26 <AnMaster> ah wait
18:46:29 <AnMaster> Why did the blond swat oerjan with a frying pan?
18:46:34 <AnMaster> sorry for the typo
18:46:40 <oerjan> i _am_ a blond
18:46:59 <AnMaster> Why did oerjan swat oerjan with his own frying pan?
18:47:01 <oerjan> it must have been one of my other personalities
18:47:06 <AnMaster> ah right
18:47:13 <AnMaster> makes sense
18:47:41 <warrie> Why is it impossible to give away a metronome?
18:47:58 <oerjan> argh!
18:48:05 <AnMaster> no I don't get that one
18:48:11 <AnMaster> I'm not god at that sort of jokes
18:48:17 <AnMaster> good*
18:48:18 <AnMaster> grr
18:48:19 * oerjan isn't either
18:48:31 <warrie> That one has no punchline.
18:48:36 <AnMaster> oh
18:48:48 <AnMaster> warrie, did the previous ones have?
18:48:49 <oerjan> darn
18:48:52 <warrie> Most of them.
18:48:56 <AnMaster> oh
18:49:03 <warrie> Have the other half of a joke: Because it's actually impossible to slam one.
18:49:16 <AnMaster> Why did the oerjan's chicken NOT cross the road?
18:49:28 <oerjan> because it doesn't EXIST stupid
18:49:33 <AnMaster> oerjan, right
18:49:37 <AnMaster> Why did the ehird's chicken NOT cross the road?
18:49:52 <oerjan> we will never know because he is ignoring you
18:50:01 <warrie> Do warrigals eat chickens, I wonder.
18:50:10 <oerjan> i'm sure they do
18:50:16 <oerjan> oh, thus the nick
18:50:29 <AnMaster> Why did warrie's aardvark cross the runway?
18:50:47 <oerjan> to be awkward
18:50:59 <AnMaster> hah, nice one but that wasn't the one I planned
18:51:07 <AnMaster> your one is better
18:51:12 <oerjan> yay
18:51:43 <warrie> Because "aardvark" means "little armored one". I suppose it comes from the word "armar", meaning "to armor".
18:51:52 <AnMaster> oerjan, mine was: because he likes random mutations of jokes.
18:52:01 <oerjan> it does?
18:52:08 <oerjan> ah
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18:52:29 <ehird> well, bye AnMaster
18:52:35 <ehird> i'm leaving, forever
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18:52:39 <oerjan> warrie: you're not confusing it with armadillos?
18:52:42 <AnMaster> *shrug*
18:52:48 <AnMaster> I'm not going to leave
18:53:07 <AnMaster> he is just unreasonable
18:53:59 <AnMaster> oerjan, why did the one-aramditos cross the road?
18:54:10 <AnMaster> (extremely bad yeah)
18:54:11 <warrie> oerjan: it's very difficult to mistake "aardvark" for a word derived from "armar", "-ado", and "-illo".
18:54:17 <oerjan> because he needed to go to school to learn to spell
18:55:00 <oerjan> warrie: yes but you did didn't you?
18:55:17 <AnMaster> oerjan, no the joke was in one-armed bandit -> banditos -> one-armadillo in the end
18:56:14 <oerjan> that's awfully awkward, i say
18:56:42 <warrie> oerjan: only until before I said that "aardvark" means "little armored one".
18:56:50 <warrie> Never say anything until you know it's not true.
18:56:51 <AnMaster> "The name comes from the Afrikaans/Dutch for "earth pig" (aarde earth, varken pig)"
18:56:52 <AnMaster> warrie, ^
18:56:55 <AnMaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aardvark
18:57:52 <AnMaster> oerjan, and yes it was awful
18:57:58 <AnMaster> brb
19:00:45 <AnMaster> back
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19:11:56 <M0ny> bye
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19:14:09 <AnMaster> hm
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19:35:08 <AnMaster> a question:
19:35:14 <AnMaster> what should this do in scheme:
19:35:19 <AnMaster> (call/cc call/cc)
19:35:44 <AnMaster> it seems to return a continuation?
19:35:52 <AnMaster> but I don't understand the logic behind that
19:36:24 <AnMaster> oerjan, maybe you can help?
19:37:32 <oerjan> well when you evaluate that, it evaluates in some continuation, call it c
19:37:38 <AnMaster> yes
19:37:55 <oerjan> the outer call/cc calls the inner with c as argument
19:38:03 <oerjan> so -> (call/cc c)
19:38:04 <AnMaster> yes so far I understand it
19:38:15 <AnMaster> but then it makes no sense
19:38:28 <oerjan> now, since scheme is tail call optimizing, the continuation for that is _still_ c
19:38:35 <AnMaster> ah
19:38:50 <oerjan> so you get (c c)
19:38:51 <AnMaster> I'm starting to see where this is leading
19:39:03 <oerjan> and so c is returned to itself
19:39:13 <AnMaster> hm
19:39:29 <AnMaster> yes.. hm
19:39:42 <oerjan> which is the same as the original expression returning its own continuation
19:39:48 <AnMaster> right
19:40:08 <AnMaster> oerjan, am I right in that this continuation isn't very usable though?
19:40:15 <oerjan> btw this is one of the cases for Subtle Cough on the wiki
19:40:35 <oerjan> that would depend what is around it...
19:40:45 <AnMaster> oh hm
19:41:45 <oerjan> for one thing, you could use it as a kind of goto label
19:42:04 <AnMaster> oerjan, it needs a parameter though
19:42:09 <AnMaster> (define x (call/cc call/cc))
19:42:12 <AnMaster> if you want to call x
19:42:16 <oerjan> whenever you call (c c), you go back to the same point
19:42:26 <AnMaster> oerjan, ok that is evil
19:42:46 <AnMaster> and I still find call/cc very confusing
19:42:49 <oerjan> if you call it with something else, it could get even more confusing
19:42:50 <AnMaster> in general
19:43:19 <oerjan> calling a continuation after it has returned is pretty confusing yes
19:43:32 <oerjan> it's sort of backtracking
19:44:32 <AnMaster> oerjan, indeed. I can handle calling continuations *before* return
19:44:35 <oerjan> calling it before it has returned is easier, that's more like a break
19:47:35 <AnMaster> oerjan, yes
19:48:10 <oerjan> now say you want to use this for actual backtracking
19:49:35 <AnMaster> well right
19:49:42 <oerjan> you could then do (call/cc (lambda (c) (cons c #f)))
19:49:55 <AnMaster> hm
19:49:57 <AnMaster> ?
19:50:01 <AnMaster> that would be um
19:50:03 <AnMaster> false?
19:50:10 <AnMaster> well
19:50:15 <oerjan> that returns a pair of the continuation with #f
19:50:16 <AnMaster> (c . #f)
19:50:41 <AnMaster> and then?
19:50:42 <oerjan> so you can then save the continuation, and branch on the #f
19:50:47 <AnMaster> hm ok
19:50:58 <oerjan> and when you want to backtrack, you call (c (cons c #t))
19:51:21 <oerjan> and so you go back, and take the other branch
19:53:19 <AnMaster> ah
19:58:09 <oerjan> i'm sure there are more clever uses to be found on the web
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20:22:17 <SimonRC> psygnisfive: that mundane magic thing reminds me of what I thought was a very nice touch in one of the H.P. movies: one guy in the background using magic to put chairs on pub tables, while clearing up.  It shows how utterly mundane magic is to these people.
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20:50:57 <psygnisfive> well if magic WAS mundane...
20:51:10 <fruitbag> Man
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20:58:41 <fizzie> Helloes again. What's this about a fizzerjan?
21:16:13 <warrie> See if I made any mistakes: 01234567890246893579470369580481371496059725061516263827398307408417528531864299
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21:35:34 <ehird> GregorR:
21:35:42 <ehird> your colour schemer only ever seem to generate like 10 unique colour schemes
21:35:43 <ehird> :\
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21:36:46 <asiekierk> Hi
21:36:51 <asiekierk> I wonder if Unlambda is any fun
21:37:22 <asiekierk> . . . where's thutubot
21:37:40 <asiekierk> Oh, as fungot has an underload interpreter, thutubot isn't useful anymore? aah
21:37:41 <fungot> asiekierk: come from is a trivial search-and-replace for baz? x)
21:38:36 <ehird> asiekierk: >_<
21:38:46 <asiekierk> ehird: w_h a_t
21:40:21 <AnMaster> hi ehird
21:40:30 <AnMaster> you didn't leave for good
21:40:46 <asiekierk> AnMaster: can you teach unlambda?
21:40:56 <asiekierk> or should i learn it alone
21:42:37 <asiekierk> Because i think unlambda is cool
21:44:46 <AnMaster> no I can't
21:44:50 <AnMaster> and I don't teach
21:44:58 <AnMaster> I would just point you to the esolang wiki
21:45:21 <asiekierk> oh
21:45:49 <SimonRC> hmm, interesting...  http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/08/dreams-of-frien.html
21:46:02 <AnMaster> asiekierk, if you want me to "teach" you would have to "pay"
21:46:13 <SimonRC> partly becasue it shoews why friendly AI is very hard to get right, even if AI is easy...
21:46:15 <asiekierk> I'm going to pay... in boxes.
21:46:21 <asiekierk> How many
21:46:27 <AnMaster> answering specific questions about languages I actually know sure.
21:46:37 <AnMaster> asiekierk, hard money :P
21:46:37 <asiekierk> oh well
21:46:43 <asiekierk> there's a tut on the unlambdage
21:46:47 <asiekierk> or unlambda's page
21:47:10 <AnMaster> also while I know underload I'm not good at it, and unlambda I don't know at all
21:47:13 <SimonRC> and partly because I mihgt like to read about the story of such an AI that manages to manipulate the world into letting it escape without people thinking it will be able to escape
21:47:43 <SimonRC> Friendly AI -or- how to take over the world when no-one trusts you even to have a body
22:01:47 <asiekierk> Oh my god, how long can Boehm GC compile on Windoze?
22:01:54 <asiekierk> It already took 5 minutes
22:02:59 <ehird> asiekierk: 5 minutes is not long
22:03:01 <ehird> be patient.
22:04:27 <asiekierk> ...You are kidding me. it's doing it ALL OVER AGAIN?
22:04:58 <ehird> asiekierk: how long is your attention span...?
22:07:57 <asiekierk> attention span?
22:07:59 <asiekierk> ??
22:08:44 <ehird> asiekierk: w...hat
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22:11:58 <fizzie> What sort of hat is a w-hat?
22:12:48 <GregorR> ehird: With the restrictions I've placed on pages, it's difficult to generate much purely randomly. If it did it more intelligently it would probably generate more.
22:13:10 <ehird> GregorR: if you watch http://elliott.hird.name.eso-std.org/ it pretty much cycles the same few colour schemes
22:13:28 <GregorR> <GregorR> ehird: With the restrictions I've placed on pages, it's difficult to generate much purely randomly. If it did it more intelligently it would probably generate more.
22:13:35 <ehird> GregorR: DOIT :-P
22:14:53 <GregorR> I've counted at least 9 distinctively unique ones.
22:16:04 <ehird> odd, i don't seem to get that many
22:16:13 <ehird> more like...6
22:16:14 <ehird> err
22:16:14 <ehird> 7
22:18:01 <AnMaster> optbot, there?
22:18:02 <optbot> AnMaster: so only funge space and anything meddling with z dimension would need changing
22:18:14 <AnMaster> heh, interesting
22:27:47 <warrie> Supposing I were infinitely intelligent, I could probably take over the world through my computer.
22:29:27 <ehird> warrie: with no net connection?
22:29:53 <warrie> With an Internet connection.
22:30:12 <ehird> warrie: Who would give an infinitely intelligent AI a net connection?!
22:36:51 <warrie> Maybe a person who already had an Internet connection became infinitely intelligent through a freak accident.
22:38:14 <warrie> If that happened to me, I suppose I might make extremely large amounts of money, buy the world, and begin colonizing the Solar System.
22:40:40 <ehird> warrie: then kill all humans?
22:40:58 <warrie> Nah, I like humans.
22:41:38 <warrie> I'll let my successor kill all humans.
22:44:39 <warrie> Maybe killing all humans would require too much effort, though, similar to destroying all flu viruses in the universe.
22:45:58 <warrie> It's plausible that a flu virus will get on some object that is sent into outer space never to return. The object could then get smashed into bits, and then we'd have lots of bits, each of them having a probability of having the virus on it.
22:49:52 <warrie> I suppose you could break the human-inhabitable universe into bits too small to contain humans.
22:54:54 <SimonRC> actually, I have hear on the radio a story called "Understand" about a person who gets a superhuman nervous system
22:55:37 <SimonRC> heh does cool stuff like figure out how to kill people by manipulating their phsyiology into positive-feedback loops using subtleties of body language
22:56:15 <SimonRC> and it seems that with just one rough peer, the world isn't big enough for the both of them
22:57:42 <warrie> People ought to figure out how to control their own physiology in a way that could kill them.
22:57:46 <warrie> Or not.
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22:58:14 <warrie> Have you heard of pointing the bone?
22:59:02 <AnMaster> sounds like an English idiom
22:59:03 <AnMaster> night
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23:44:24 <SimonRC> warrie: ah, yeah, the mthod by which "witch doctors" can (apparently) kill people
23:44:58 <GregorR> It's one of those fascinating little corners of human psychology.
23:45:17 * SimonRC recalls the time when, while trying to activate his sleep paralysis mechinism while conscious, he managed to twiddle his body's themostat instead.
23:45:23 <GregorR> People believe so strongly that the shaman has this power, that they will die by the placebo effect alone.
23:45:59 <SimonRC> I'd love to see some eeg, ecg, etc of that
23:46:59 <SimonRC> (I got a sufficient fever to give me that room shrinking but remaining same size effect, and tohat everythning has a newsprint texture feeling.)
23:47:09 <SimonRC> (but it wore off a few minutes after ceasing meditation)
23:47:26 <SimonRC> or rather "``meditation''"
23:51:07 <ehird> zoop
23:53:21 <SimonRC> ehird: ??
23:53:27 <ehird> SimonRC: zoooooooooop, man
23:53:29 <ehird> it's true :|
23:53:36 <ehird> grrrrrr
23:53:42 <ehird> postfix interaction with majordomo2
23:53:45 <ehird> it is you that i despise
23:53:47 <ehird> for your non-workingness