00:03:51 not a haiku 00:06:05 SimonRC: fix majordomo2, please. 00:06:45 A haiku it's not 00:06:45 I tried but I screwed it up 00:06:45 The last line is too long 00:07:20 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | in that context. 00:09:08 GregorR: YOU FIX IT 00:18:11 ...... 00:22:35 -!- CakeProphet__ has joined. 00:23:28 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 00:23:33 -!- CakeProphet__ has changed nick to CakeProphet. 00:24:16 -!- comex has changed nick to comexehird. 00:24:20 -!- comexehird has changed nick to comex. 00:51:24 -!- kwertii has joined. 00:58:49 Secret military resource naming FAIL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SF_Hydro 00:59:18 (wellnot really) 01:00:31 (It was used for shipping heavy water) 01:09:34 -!- puzzlet_ has joined. 01:09:53 -!- puzzlet has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:24:51 -!- CakeProphet__ has joined. 01:26:20 * SimonRC detects some similarities to Pascal's Wager here: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/10/ethical-injunct.html#more 01:31:49 ah, maybe he is not making a silly mistake: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/10/ends-dont-justi.html 01:32:42 Summary: the ends don't ustify the means because you're human; other types of intelligence could have "the ends do justify the means" or even "the ends do not prohibit the means". 01:39:30 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:14:00 If anyone asks what is fast or slow oon an intel architecture, hit them with this 512-page document: http://www.intel.com/design/processor/manuals/248966.pdf 02:14:05 it is some specs 02:14:40 oops, no, it is the "Optimisation Reference Manual" 02:15:09 fucking hell, what is the world coming to if we need that much documentation to optimise machine code 02:17:21 well, maybe that isn't that bad 02:21:38 The AMD equivalent is a lightweight by comparison: a mere 384 pages. 02:27:47 -!- adu has joined. 02:28:11 hey 02:30:10 hi 02:41:03 -!- Corun__ has quit ("Leaving"). 02:43:52 so anything new? 02:47:32 adu.send(new Object()) 02:49:31 -!- CakeProphet__ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:49:33 (receive-object (object-sender "SimonRC")) 02:52:31 -!- CakeProphet__ has joined. 02:52:36 -!- CakeProphet__ has changed nick to CakeProphet. 03:29:34 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 03:53:09 that makes no sense 04:01:55 Let me take this moment to point out that if I find Obama's tax plan really boring, I'm uninterested, while if I'm not affected by it because I live in Ireland, I'm disinterested. 04:02:13 Because I'm allowed to say anything at all after... nine minutes have passed without any conversation. 04:15:29 cocks. 04:16:50 Excellent demonstration of the nine-minute principle. 04:26:05 -!- Sgeo has joined. 04:26:44 -!- adu has quit. 04:34:51 -!- puzzlet has joined. 04:47:39 -!- puzzlet_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:59:04 -!- kwertii has quit ("bye"). 05:05:48 -!- Corun has joined. 05:13:20 -!- Corun has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep"). 06:07:20 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ____________________________________________ | '!hangman ' to guess a letter!. 06:40:22 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 06:50:28 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 06:52:43 -!- oerjan has joined. 07:11:51 peacocks. 07:12:29 also, i didn't know warrie was irish. 07:52:24 -!- puzzlet has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 07:53:55 -!- puzzlet has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:06:07 -!- psygnisfive has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 09:08:34 -!- Judofyr_ has joined. 09:08:34 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 09:22:41 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 09:28:41 it occurs to me that if one is looking for a person that won't be persuaded to let the AI out of the box, then a mailing list full of singularitarians who aren't philosophers is probably not the best place to start 09:29:26 * SimonRC feels irriated by philosophers 09:29:44 it's very dangerous to be irradiated by philosophers 09:29:55 so, please stop. 09:30:06 AFAICT the only way to argue with them and not have your opinion changed is either to be a philsopher yourself or to be very closed-minded 09:31:02 i refuse to consider that ridiculous statement 09:31:06 heh 09:31:36 I wonder if any have had a hobby of persuading random mentally-healthy people to kill themselves 09:31:48 could a court convict you of murder? 09:31:57 !hangman e 09:31:59 you've been reading about that stone too? :D 09:32:13 oerjan: no, and I don't want to know 09:32:44 * oerjan somehow got started on Overcoming Bias today 09:33:03 well, "somehow" == "from this channel", of course 09:33:27 fortunately most of the opinions I gained from that blog seem to have faded away over time 09:33:46 (or rather, I my desire to know is outweighed by the anticipation that I would regret asking) 09:37:05 The AMD equivalent is a lightweight by comparison: a mere 384 pages. <-- hah I read that one iirc 09:37:27 * AnMaster got an AMD CPU 09:37:41 how are thy different from Intel? 09:38:14 haven't read the intel one 09:38:15 optbot: damnit, I said: 09:38:15 SimonRC: .. how many do you have? 09:38:17 !hangman e 09:39:08 optbot! 09:39:09 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | don't scan just as black and white. 09:39:44 afk 09:40:27 ****e* 09:41:55 oerjan: r 09:44:07 ****er 09:44:26 a common pattern ;-) 09:44:28 darn now i may have to find a hangman ascii picture 09:44:47 oerjan: n 09:45:31 thought so 09:45:49 ****er O 09:46:12 t 09:46:21 ****er O 09:46:28 ??? 09:46:32 | 09:46:59 dude, vertical ain't going to work with the 5-sec delay 09:47:18 you think? 09:47:35 oerjan: yes I do 09:48:13 a 09:48:43 ****er O 09:48:44 /| 09:48:53 i 09:49:06 ****er O 09:49:06 /|\ 09:49:40 * SimonRC wonders 09:50:45 s 09:50:58 s***er O /|\ 09:51:07 darn 09:51:28 damn irssi pasting 09:51:48 heh 09:52:35 o 09:52:42 s***er O 09:52:47 /|\ 09:52:53 / 09:53:13 u 09:53:21 su**er O 09:53:23 /|\ 09:53:25 / 09:53:31 p 09:53:38 su**er O 09:53:38 nooooooo 09:53:42 /|\ 09:53:46 oerjan: c 09:53:46 / \ 09:53:55 suc*er O 09:53:57 /|\ 09:53:58 / \ 09:53:59 k 09:54:07 sucker O 09:54:09 /|\ 09:54:12 / \ 09:54:20 =========== 09:54:26 hey! I had him there 09:54:43 * SimonRC tries one 09:54:43 well someone's got to be it 09:54:49 shower -> 09:54:56 ****** 09:54:57 afk 09:55:03 bah 09:56:08 ******** 09:56:13 (back) 09:56:40 hey 09:56:58 mine first surely 09:57:03 or both at once maybe 09:57:09 well both at once then 09:57:15 SimonRC: e 09:57:16 in turns 09:57:31 ****** o 09:57:51 * AnMaster waits for SimonRC to list his first char 09:57:53 hmm 09:57:58 e 09:58:05 ******** o 09:58:15 SimonRC, s 09:58:46 * AnMaster waits for SimonRC 09:59:09 hurry 09:59:23 um, waitamo, I can't spell 09:59:25 (or I'm going afk because it is too boring) 09:59:34 ignore mine 09:59:36 I guess t 09:59:37 ok 09:59:45 ******** o 09:59:45 | 10:00:03 n 10:00:12 ******** o 10:00:12 /|\ 10:00:16 r 10:00:26 **r***** o 10:00:26 /|\ 10:00:32 a 10:00:42 aar***** o 10:00:42 /|\ 10:00:53 d 10:01:03 damn you for picking a 10:01:04 -!- Judofyr_ has quit. 10:01:05 aard**** o 10:01:05 /|\ 10:01:13 o 10:01:25 aard*o** o 10:01:25 /|\ 10:01:30 w 10:01:32 f 10:01:32 l 10:01:36 yeah right 10:01:49 aardwolf 10:01:56 hmm 10:01:57 ok 10:02:03 SimonRC, how could you *NOT* pick aardvark? 10:02:10 oh the second r? 10:02:18 AnMaster: well, there would be a third a 10:02:25 ah that too 10:02:29 heh 10:02:45 what about "Aaronite"? 10:02:50 No clue what that is 10:03:01 just saw it in /usr/share/dict/words 10:03:06 heh 10:03:12 *cough* 10:03:18 SimonRC, ? 10:03:30 ok: 10:03:40 Definitions of Aaronite on the Web: 10:03:40 * A kohen (or cohen, Hebrew כּהן, "priest", pl. כּהנִים, kohanim or cohanim) has a special status in Judaism. ... 10:03:40 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaronite 10:03:41 ********** 10:03:48 SimonRC, I'm going afk now 10:03:49 sorry 10:03:53 bye 10:27:16 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 10:39:18 hangman is much more fun as follows, with two players: one chooses a word, other guesses, then the first guy guesses; here, the other guy comes up with a word that would fit what there currently is, and adds letters accordingly; now the first guy changes his word, and this continues until both guys' words converge into the same word, the one who guesses it first wins 10:40:34 i invented this in the sauna once, it's much harder than hangman, and you don't need the actual hanging man, even, because you want to hang yourself anyway, after a while of playing 11:03:17 what if you can't think of a word that fits? 11:06:56 * SimonRC wonders... 11:07:20 what if a programming language's terminology was not mathematical but from elsewhere? 11:07:20 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | psshhh. 11:07:52 instead of the singleton pattern, we would hve the phoenix pattern 11:08:24 * SimonRC tires to think of more examples... 11:08:27 *tries 11:32:13 SimonRC: then you lose 11:32:40 but there will always be a word, if whatever weird word the opponent may have chosen. 11:33:39 -!- Judofyr has joined. 12:09:48 * SimonRC goes to get pizza 12:12:58 -!- kar8nga has joined. 12:13:24 SimonRC: the songbird combinators come to mind 12:13:54 sing sang sung song seng 12:14:08 http://www.angelfire.com/tx4/cus/combinator/birds.html 12:16:47 i want to mock a mockingbird. 12:35:40 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 13:03:35 -!- Corun has joined. 13:05:11 which combinator is the mockingbird? 13:05:22 * SimonRC realises it would be easier o look 13:06:39 ah, no, it's self-application 13:07:10 so what is the Why-bird? 13:07:36 ah, I see, I was confusing self-application with the Y combinator 13:13:43 -!- kar8nga has left (?). 13:17:53 SimonRC, why birds? 13:18:07 why not, hm... food? 13:18:25 like that eso lang that looks like a recipe 13:23:58 AnMaster: what do you mean "why birds"? 13:24:06 I didn't express a particular preference for birds 13:24:21 i am so glad I am not seeing AnMaster's messages. 13:24:25 :| 13:34:50 [[as schiavo, or "dead while breathing".]] - mundane magic article 13:34:54 *g* 13:39:21 ehird: indeed. In terms of metaphor potential, Teri Schiavo is the new Hellen Keller. 13:39:25 :-) 13:40:01 SimonRC: in the future, "schiavo" will be an epithet meaning "useless". 13:40:03 that is my prediction. 13:41:31 actually, the two women are opposites 13:41:50 indeed 13:41:51 partially 13:45:27 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:46:38 * ehird watches his slow download 13:47:18 it's slow. 13:48:40 -!- CakeProphet__ has joined. 13:48:45 -!- CakeProphet__ has changed nick to CakeProphet. 13:48:56 it is veeeeeeeeeery slow. 14:08:13 * SimonRC goes away. (Connotation inference FAIL: http://www.clusterstock.com/2008/10/forget-the-bailout-let-s-just-pray ) 14:22:06 http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/30oct_ftes.htm?list179029 14:22:44 -!- puzzlet has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 14:22:45 -!- olsner has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 14:22:45 -!- ehird has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 14:22:45 -!- Jiminy_Cricket has quit (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 14:23:34 -!- puzzlet has joined. 14:23:34 -!- ehird has joined. 14:23:34 -!- olsner has joined. 14:23:34 -!- Jiminy_Cricket has joined. 14:25:02 hi ais523 15:07:15 hello ais523 15:15:05 -!- oklopol has joined. 15:17:52 -!- asiekierk has joined. 15:20:26 I wonder why i'm compiling the original Unlambda v2 interpreter. 15:20:31 I think i'll give out the binaries 15:20:32 too 15:22:49 since compiling it is a... pain 15:51:29 ```cool 15:53:53 -!- M0ny has joined. 15:54:39 plop 15:57:44 -!- Ilari has quit ("Won't be back for a while..."). 16:32:37 -!- oerjan has joined. 16:37:32 SimonRC: in the future, "schiavo" will be an epithet meaning "useless". 16:37:47 incidentally the original italian means "slave" 16:37:48 hi oerjan 16:37:51 heh 16:38:07 why anyone would use that as a surname is beyond me 16:38:23 why not 16:38:50 it's rather self-deprecating 16:39:03 and some people are :-P 16:39:18 or maybe somebody else gave the name and it just stuck 16:47:38 I wonder why i'm compiling the original Unlambda v2 interpreter. 16:47:53 the scheme one? :D 16:48:28 (i think that is the original one. there are a lot of implementations in the distribution.) 16:48:52 the original C one may be awkward, as it requires Boehm's GC iirc 16:49:34 iirc the C one is derived from the Java one 16:49:35 -!- asiekierk has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 16:49:48 yeah just be like that 16:49:55 -!- asiekierk has joined. 16:50:01 -!- asiekierk has changed nick to asiekierka. 16:50:05 :P 16:50:35 other than that there is at least SML and Ocaml 16:51:12 as well as Haskell and INTERCAL which you may find elsewhere 16:52:30 oh and there is Mandelson's fast C implementation, which unfortunately is not quite according to spec iirc 16:52:34 -!- asiekierka has left (?). 16:52:36 -!- asiekierka has joined. 16:52:55 oerjan: I compiled the original C one 16:53:10 i think it broke on my heavily d-using program or something like that 16:53:33 asiekierka: the one that requires Boehm? 16:53:52 ooooo 16:54:11 i'm afirly iterd. 16:54:14 yes, oerjan 16:54:16 that one 16:54:22 i downloaded libgc with cygwin 16:54:24 and just compiled 16:54:57 right on Windows too... 16:55:07 yes, on windows 16:55:38 the reference-count version is supposedly the easiest to port iirc 16:55:52 being completely portable C 16:58:58 of unlambda? 16:59:04 yes 16:59:12 Since i also wondered whether to make Unlambdii 16:59:16 Unlambda for teh Wii 16:59:49 of course if you have Java easily available you might want to use that one too 17:00:03 Not on the wii 17:00:28 although that implementation iirc had the issue of not following Java's policy of only one class per file 17:01:26 which gave me trouble enough to give up when i considered modifying it 17:02:38 but i didn't try hard, i suppose 17:07:21 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ...management. 17:07:36 optbot! 17:07:37 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | my current approach leads to <3000 bytes in a few seconds, but i'm interested in other (possibly better) algorithms as well :). 17:15:44 optbot! 17:15:45 -!- optbot has set topic: the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I think I got input server working. 17:15:53 okayot! 17:15:59 optbet! 17:21:02 optbot? 17:21:02 asiekierka: movement of elements of the syntax 17:21:22 optbot: Syntax can't move 17:21:23 asiekierka: Whatever most naturally maps to the language in question, I guess. 17:21:24 optbot: ITYM elements the syntax of movement 17:21:24 oerjan: that result is reversed at the end where krishnamurthi got into a brief fnord with a normal distribtion, 95% are within 2 feet of it. 17:21:52 wow! 17:22:05 optbot: how observant of you 17:22:05 oerjan: and so do quite a few others. 17:22:14 optbot: eek 17:22:15 oerjan: err 17:22:46 optbot: huh 17:22:47 asiekierka: do you want to try it with the german langpack ^^^ 17:23:00 btw, never get into fnords with normal distributions. you're not going to get out alive. 17:23:15 unless you're krishnamurthi or fisher 17:23:37 or possibly, gauss 17:24:19 student tried and all that remained was a t 17:24:19 -!- asiekierka has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:25:21 -!- asiekierka has joined. 17:27:19 I wonder what the music tastes of #esoteric are./ 17:28:04 * oerjan thinks he's already admitted to liking Abba 17:28:44 *g* 17:28:52 but then i'm old as a mountain, so i'm excused 17:29:33 * ehird is listening to Autechre - Bine, at the moment. 17:29:35 -!- asiekierka has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:30:02 -!- asiekierka has joined. 17:30:10 i like chiptunes 17:30:33 chiptunes are pretty awesome 17:30:41 yeah 17:30:41 agreed 17:30:52 1) Small size 17:30:55 2) good retro tuney 17:31:11 3) YOU DON'T NEED TO PAY TO BUY THEM, or even YOU DON'T NEED TO BUY THEM *usually* 17:31:22 um 17:31:25 how do you buy something without paying 17:31:26 mod archive ftw 17:31:46 TO GIVE CASH TO STUPID COMPANIES SO THEY CAN FUND DRM i meant 17:32:05 Augh 17:32:05 CAPSLOCK 17:32:17 1 month, 23 days until my xmas special's released 17:32:19 SHIFT 17:32:25 that i made back in OcToBeR 17:32:30 BUTTERFLY 17:32:41 * oerjan assumes some of the copyright/patent people will be first against the wall when the revolution comes 17:32:57 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL 17:32:59 one can only hope 17:33:04 oerjan: not to you 17:33:19 asiekierka: darn 17:33:35 hmm 17:34:35 now where is that butterfly? 17:35:09 or is that a Mac thing? i have some vague recall there 17:35:15 it's a Windows thing 17:35:18 A F A I K 17:35:20 A F A I K 17:35:43 * oerjan sees no butterfly here 17:35:58 Vista perhaps? 17:36:12 Answer: MSN... At least back then 17:36:22 aha 17:36:31 what 17:36:37 i was making an xkcd reference 17:36:37 :( 17:36:47 ic 17:36:51 link? 17:36:55 http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png 17:38:08 ah 17:38:30 not a windows thing, then 17:39:13 -!- asiekierka has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 18:11:34 -!- Corun has quit ("Leaving"). 18:31:02 ehird: i don't think i've ever seen that one! 18:31:16 bsmntbombdood: whoa, you're alive 18:31:30 but i think we can safely say that real programmers use ed 18:32:01 real programmers don't need to write their code down 18:32:55 real programmers don't even *exist*. 18:33:10 shh ;-) 18:33:28 Deewiant: he was actually being litera 18:33:29 l 18:33:32 oklopol: means that there are no programmers 18:33:32 yes 18:33:47 i'm like the okointerpreter 18:33:53 yes yes many times yes 18:34:04 bit enthusiastic there 18:34:13 i'm tired. i'm tired all day every day is someone feeding me pills or something? 18:34:19 i am 18:34:37 knew you'd say that. you're such a feedr 18:56:24 oh hi oklopol 18:56:40 is it can be orgy tiem? 18:56:41 bsmntbombdood: talk in here more often 18:56:50 ehird: too stupid 18:57:02 bsmntbombdood: you or #esoteric 18:57:06 me 18:57:18 bsmntbombdood: but this place is so boring. 18:57:29 it needs your blend of orgy and scheme code. 18:57:44 :) 18:57:59 bsmntbombdood: :3 18:58:31 bsmntbombdood: i'll consider that 18:58:51 also, tomorrow, i can koedddd, it's my coding day code all day yayayy :-) 18:59:21 well, i'm also gonna go buy that one book, but that's only like 600 pages 18:59:30 who am i kidding, i'm just gonna read all day :< 18:59:33 but anyway 18:59:36 so this game 18:59:39 for the blind 18:59:43 where the screen is black 18:59:45 omg oklopol 18:59:47 when you do the coding 18:59:53 and you only hear the positions of objects 19:00:00 from teh stereo audio thingio 19:00:03 oklopol: make a bot, and a language impl, and that 4d game thing you were making 19:00:04 tomorrow 19:00:05 do it 19:00:11 it'll be just like april 08 19:00:28 what happened in april 08? 19:00:32 hmm oklotalk-- ? 19:00:34 umm i dunno but it was that kind of time 19:00:40 of botting and languaging and stuff and yeah 19:00:47 yeah 19:00:49 [orgy time ]sa[laPdx]dx 19:00:52 that was pretty active time for me 19:01:00 bsmntbombdood: dc? 19:01:02 ja 19:01:09 after that, courses ended, and i started getting lazier. 19:01:25 and now that they've started again, i'm hogging so many of them that i can't really get anything else done. 19:01:45 oklopol: you have a lot of catching up to do tomorrow then 19:01:50 doesn't help that i want to pass all courses with a perfect grade 19:01:58 i will make the ultimate markov chain bot to beat you to it, ofc. 19:02:20 :D 19:02:33 yeah markov chains in bitxtreme! 19:04:19 noprob news: realized i could do as follows: remove all random vars, a var's probability is just the portion of clause assignments where it's true *at the moment of being used as a probability* 19:04:42 this basically means the "probability" of a variable is not an inherent property 19:05:04 it can *change*, and actually reflects more what the program knows about the variable's dependencies 19:06:10 that would be considerably less pure, but i like how it's a bit like prolog's cut; the language is very clearly declarative, but it has a construct that is very clearly attached to how the language is actually implemented on an imperative machine 19:07:02 i also had some other language idea, but i can't seem to recall it now. 19:07:06 -!- atrapado has joined. 19:07:12 gotta go buy something energetic to drink 19:07:36 reading about distributed computing in java is making me sleepy for a reason or two 19:07:56 -> 19:10:31 actually it's quite weird imo that everyone is making imperative languages 19:11:29 i find it much more interesting to create declarative ones 19:11:33 and simpler. 19:11:43 mainly because there aren't that many of them 19:12:12 (i mean assuming aiming for originality) 19:12:19 (which i'm always aiming for) 19:12:47 (also the shop, i'm gonna go) 19:12:49 (now) 19:14:35 [orgy time ]sa[laPdx]dx <<< i still don't get this. 19:14:40 someone explain it while i'm gone 19:14:41 -> 19:16:43 -!- Deewiant has quit ("Changing server"). 19:16:53 -!- Deewiant has joined. 19:23:35 someone said it was in dc 19:24:24 http://linux.die.net/man/1/dc 19:26:21 -!- Judofyr_ has joined. 19:26:21 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 19:50:01 -!- kar8nga has joined. 20:29:03 -!- Corun has joined. 20:36:32 -!- mbishop has joined. 20:57:26 Hm. 20:57:39