< 1225497604 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: eh?
< 1225497614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Nothing.
< 1225497623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: anyway i don't think you can
< 1225497629 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: excatly
< 1225497650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, i just read the logs
< 1225497652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so typical
< 1225497660 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the joke I was making.  giving the most-general type of that function in Haskell is just as hard as getting vim to do what I was trying to do
< 1225497663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's a question about vim.
< 1225497663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, try emacs!"
< 1225497671 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wel, harder actually, as vim has ways round it
< 1225497671 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Good, then I don't need to figure out how to pass on that "clarification".
< 1225497679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "I HOPE YOU DO"
< 1225497683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to betray him? :-(
< 1225497744 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, vim's commands are a bit more typeable
< 1225497758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sniffs. Poor AnMaster.
< 1225497767 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I work with xm,l a lot and it is handy to be able to type f>ct<
< 1225497770 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the like
< 1225497777 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Completely* unrelated, but what should I do with underload ^def command arguments? Push the whole input string on the initial stack, or split it somehow?
< 1225497778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xm,l
< 1225497790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: um
< 1225497794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do what ais523 was going to do
< 1225497794 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: as I said, 3 sec of lag
< 1225497799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1225497804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :push it as church numeras
< 1225497805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numerals
< 1225497807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the ascii chars
< 1225497812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to figure out how to do a list in underload
< 1225497813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun.
< 1225497835 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm.
< 1225497858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i would say an underload linked list is just:
< 1225497876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tip(tip-1(tip-2 SOME-NIL-SENTINEL)))
< 1225497883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOME-NIL-SENTINEL would have to be detectable somehow
< 1225497885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah!
< 1225497886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1225497887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:
< 1225497891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the list (a b c)
< 1225497897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well?
< 1225497902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not going to do it I see
< 1225497905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1225497907 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: He read the logs already.
< 1225497910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1225497913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL
< 1225497917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he ask you to pass it on again?
< 1225497923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's so desperate i'll misunderstand him :'(
< 1225497951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i've figured out a list structure
< 1225497952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec
< 1225497965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo I also suggested nano. Just FYI. If I have an issue with a program, and can't solve it, I often try some other program.
< 1225497965 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also suggested nano. Just FYI. If I have an issue with a program, and can't solve it, I often try some other program. I also suggested nano. Just FYI. If I have an issue with a program, and can't solve it, ...
< 1225497980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1225497981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo night...
< 1225497981 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night... night...
< 1225497983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: stop being a retard.
< 1225497988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a problem with a program
< 1225497990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you try and solve it.
< 1225497993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by asking people
< 1225497996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird!*@* added to ignore list.
< 1225497999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't change program.
< 1225498002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you may want to tell ehird  that ^
< 1225498012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks logs
< 1225498012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I *don't* read logs
< 1225498012 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: He ignored you again.
< 1225498014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignored?
< 1225498015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1225498019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what do you mean again?
< 1225498019 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the anal master is /ignoring you too
< 1225498021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo AnMaster two can play the ignore-avoidance game.
< 1225498021 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster two can play the ignore-avoidance game. AnMaster two can play the ignore-avoidance game.
< 1225498029 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Haven't you done it before? I would think so.
< 1225498042 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, that's about as much message-passing as I care to do.
< 1225498046 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that *is what your names stands for isn't it?
< 1225498048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo Well you did it first, a few weeks ago iirc
< 1225498048 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you did it first, a few weeks ago iirc Well you did it first, a few weeks ago iirc
< 1225498054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo shrug
< 1225498055 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug shrug
< 1225498056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: i think it means annoying master.
< 1225498062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo AnMaster - please shut up.
< 1225498062 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster - please shut up. AnMaster - please shut up.
< 1225498068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo I ignored you for a reason.
< 1225498068 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ignored you for a reason. I ignored you for a reason.
< 1225498070 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1225498071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1225498074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: list structure
< 1225498075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i has it
< 1225498081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, good
< 1225498087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummmmmmm
< 1225498089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm heading to bed *yawn*
< 1225498090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what's dip in underload again
< 1225498091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1225498092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm
< 1225498158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:
< 1225498158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a)((b)()(a~*^)~a*^)(a~*^)~a*^)
< 1225498160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think.
< 1225498165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's (a b)
< 1225498190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi fizzie
< 1225498198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im helping you :(
< 1225498215 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that worth a ":(" then?
< 1225498222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just pay attention to me :-P
< 1225498223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1225498247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIST = (HEAD(TAIL)(a~*^)~a*^)
< 1225498251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where TAIL :: LIST
< 1225498256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: or
< 1225498260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIST can also be
< 1225498261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :()
< 1225498270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can use it like this:
< 1225498275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(S)LIST^
< 1225498281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can i get fungot to test that?
< 1225498288 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1225498291 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225498303 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not in a very Underloady frame of mind today, but I am paying attention, fwiw.
< 1225498305 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Would you just let me see your effing bonko code already :P
< 1225498311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (S)((hello)()(a~*^)~a*^)^
< 1225498312 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1225498327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (S)((hello)((hello)()(a~*^)~a*^)(a~*^)~a*^)^
< 1225498327 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1225498331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: bugg :(
< 1225498335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1225498337 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you need a : somewhere.
< 1225498392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:
< 1225498393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1225498395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it executes the head
< 1225498395 0 :atrapado_!n=mnh@217.168.1.93 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225498398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is dropping up again
< 1225498427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lets try this:
< 1225498432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(HEAD(TAIL)(a~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^^)
< 1225498444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (S)((hello)((world()(a~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^^))(a~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^^)^
< 1225498444 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1225498447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :(
< 1225498482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: any ideas?
< 1225498506 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Underload thinking goes slowly.
< 1225498514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto
< 1225498518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here is my basic algorithm:
< 1225498523 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1225498539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have the program, then the head, then the tail
< 1225498541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1225498543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use dip
< 1225498544 0 :atrapado_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :atrapado
< 1225498545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now you have
< 1225498547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :program, then the head
< 1225498549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now you flip
< 1225498553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the head, then the program
< 1225498555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and concat
< 1225498557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the head the program
< 1225498559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then run it
< 1225498561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now you have no program
< 1225498563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO
< 1225498565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have the program, then the head then the tail
< 1225498567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dip
< 1225498569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program, head
< 1225498571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swap
< 1225498573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :head, the program
< 1225498575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dup
< 1225498577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :head, the program, the program
< 1225498579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dip
< 1225498581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :head, the program
< 1225498583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :concat
< 1225498585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :head the program
< 1225498587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run, finish dip
< 1225498589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program
< 1225498593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finish dip
< 1225498595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program the fail
< 1225498597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tail
< 1225498599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then run
< 1225498601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1225498603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nil should actually be (!)
< 1225498605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to eliminate the program
< 1225498607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: see my basic algo?
< 1225498613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<func><list>^ runs func for every element in list
< 1225498695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((hello)((world)(!)(~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^^)(~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^^)
< 1225498702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (S)((hello)((world)(!)(~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^^)(~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^^)^
< 1225498702 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn!
< 1225498707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: huh?
< 1225498707 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: its only " real" programming language? are there significant advantages to that over using fnord fnord
< 1225498710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:
< 1225498718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait
< 1225498726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (S)((hello)((world)(!)(~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^^)(~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^~*^)^
< 1225498726 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn!
< 1225498731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (S)((hello)((world)(!)(~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^^)(~:(*^)~a*^)~a*^*^)^
< 1225498731 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn!
< 1225498737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfoo
< 1225498756 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-30-248.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225498867 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would rather start by using just ((foo)((bar)...)) -style lists instead of "something that evaluates top-of-stack for each element", given how much easier car and cdr sound for that sort of lists. But really, I'm not in an underloady mood. And sure, that sort of list might be trickier to use.
< 1225498898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1225498900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point.
< 1225498901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fizzie
< 1225498906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you check if you've reached the end of the list?
< 1225498909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you do == ()? :-P
< 1225498950 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<GregorR> ehird: Would you just let me see your effing bonko code already :P
< 1225498958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i gave up on it
< 1225498958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1225498968 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL THEN I GIVE UP ON YOU
< 1225498978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: ...ok :(
< 1225498981 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not plain ((foo)((bar)...)) then; maybe something more like (((foo)^)(((bar)^)(!))); but *really*, I don't want to think about Underload now.
< 1225498995 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, ~^ there instead of ^.
< 1225499002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, that could work.
< 1225499004 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easier to "detect" (!).
< 1225499227 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (((foo)~^)(((bar)~^)(()(!))))(~^~(S)~^~:^):^
< 1225499227 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foobar
< 1225499238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hooray.
< 1225499240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so basically
< 1225499253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make the input one of those lists, with the elements as the underload-church-numearls.
< 1225499255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And voila.
< 1225499260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1225499282 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like quite a lot of stack, but...
< 1225499335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You perhaps thought Underload was lightweight?
< 1225499341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The alternative is to add a new char - say, @
< 1225499349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which pushes a church numeral of the next input char on the stack.
< 1225499351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 0 on EOF.
< 1225499362 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it does say "underload", it sounds small.
< 1225499444 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Converting those church numerals back to ASCII for output sounds like something which would pretty fast go over the IRC message length limits.
< 1225499505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh. True.
< 1225499513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Then you need _two_ new commands.
< 1225499523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ to get a church numeral, $ to output a church numerally-thing as ascii. :\
< 1225499585 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll let ais523 to do the bleeding-edge feature-adding; as far as Underload is concerned, I'm happy to be a follower.
< 1225499612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: underload is abandoned, underlambda is what is being developed, i think.
< 1225500082 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling I need sleep; early morning again, and getting 0145 around here.
< 1225500135 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night
< 1225500142 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hum... Hum..."
< 1225500468 0 :mbishop!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1225500509 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225500794 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outputting church numerals actually wouldn't be too hard
< 1225500805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: it would you have to store every ascii char
< 1225500807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the program
< 1225500808 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just feed increment into them and apply that to zero
< 1225500814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1225500817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: in underload?
< 1225500823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you couldnt do that.
< 1225500829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in underload, code blocks (aka strings) are opaque
< 1225500842 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant as a primitive: output church numeral as ascii char
< 1225500845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225500847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh
< 1225500868 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"quita"
< 1225500871 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if automatic-church-numeral-detection is practical
< 1225500885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tc
< 1225500910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: its tc
< 1225500922 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, how about common cases then?
< 1225500939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but thats not pure.
< 1225501038 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pure"?
< 1225501044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: pure. clean
< 1225501047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elegant.
< 1225501057 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-S
< 1225501066 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be anice optimisation
< 1225501103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload is the slowest thing evr
< 1225501204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1225501577 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes, leaving you with this question: what character would be best paired with Godot in a slashfic?
< 1225501604 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Hrm; I seem to have forgotten the details of gas's constant syntax.
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< 1225501804 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:|
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< 1225502547 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1225503668 0 :CakeProphet!n=bread@h2.45.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225504454 0 :mbishop!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1225506622 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoScheme can now be run in <head> to generate a <style> tag.
< 1225506761 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huzzah!
< 1225512663 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF? Does Opera have problems with cookies in JavaScript? >_O
< 1225512888 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1225517459 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225517843 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREATINGS BITCHES
< 1225519146 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gratings, fishes.
< 1225520075 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1225520899 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wellnowwhat.net/trippy.html
< 1225520906 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new and improved
< 1225520978 0 :omniscient_idiot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovely
< 1225520997 0 :omniscient_idiot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a seizure
< 1225521517 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1225523205 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | i mean, obviously if sets were objects and had properties of their own, you'd be kind of messed up
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< 1225526399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1225527121 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing i read the logs today or i would have no idea who is ihope
< 1225527301 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1225527301 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1225528843 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Coyote finally caught me"
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< 1225529305 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Vibratory Telepathy.  By transmitting invisible vibrations through the very air itself, two users of this ability can share thoughts.  As a result, Vibratory Telepaths can form emotional bonds much deeper than those possible to other primates.'
< 1225529509 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Coyote finally caught me"
< 1225529677 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225529719 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Vibratory Telepaths have great trouble with text-based internet fora.
< 1225530050 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1225530073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting, but a bit... Bizarre.
< 1225530077 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1225530082 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/10/mundane-magic.html
< 1225530085 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the rest ;)
< 1225530089 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bizarre, hell.
< 1225530091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION readeth
< 1225530114 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it'd make for good spells for GURPS?
< 1225530117 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-eth the archaic form of the 3rd person singular conjugation on verbs
< 1225530138 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid i cannot read that, it's giving off bad vibrations
< 1225530140 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually well aware, but occasionally don't care.
< 1225530140 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eth, said with a voiceless th sound, eventually evolved into modern -(e)s
< 1225530156 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1225530178 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus speaking with the -eth version makes you sound like you have a lisp
< 1225530188 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In modern English, sure.
< 1225530194 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rapeth pikhq's mouth
< 1225530202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In early modern, it merely sounds normal.
< 1225530245 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225530246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, that site is brilliant.
< 1225530247 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now it sounds gay
< 1225530262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obvious conclusion is that the early moderns were gay
< 1225530272 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet that at some time -eth became just -th
< 1225530283 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that they reproduced out of a selfless desire to continue the species?
< 1225530291 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as -ed become just -d
< 1225530336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course.  well, that and the strict anti-homosexuality laws.  a terrible paradox, that.
< 1225530360 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, homosexuality was apparently not as looked down upon back then as people think
< 1225530370 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :execution with a hot poker and such stuff
< 1225530373 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even gay marriage
< 1225530386 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho back then means like 1600s or 1700s in my sense
< 1225530409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shakethpeare wath very gay
< 1225530431 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably bi
< 1225530436 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone was bi back then
< 1225530461 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then came the victorians and messed it all up.  or something.
< 1225530479 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont even care really
< 1225530480 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck the past
< 1225530481 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its over
< 1225530485 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Victorians had incredibly repressed sexual mores...
< 1225530494 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in public.
< 1225530528 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet, they had some fairly ironic medical treatments. . .
< 1225530540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manual masturbation for 'feminine hysteria'.
< 1225530557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be quite relaxing you'd think.
< 1225530564 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes.
< 1225530632 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION manually masturbates oerjan for feminine hysteria
< 1225530638 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i read just the other day on wp that Victoria herself liked drawings of male nudes
< 1225530690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it paintings.
< 1225530829 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_morality in fact
< 1225530857 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Another example of the gap between our preconceptions of Victorian sexuality and the facts is that contrary to what we might expect, Queen Victoria liked to draw and collect male nude figure drawings and even gave her husband one as a present."
< 1225530903 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, they had a gap between public and private views of sexuality similar to the modern-day US's?
< 1225530907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not particularly hysterical today, or feminine for that matter.
< 1225530938 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps.
< 1225531042 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubly good then!
< 1225531052 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION manually masturbates oerjan for fun
< 1225531177 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, a deer outside the window
< 1225531572 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute :D
< 1225532172 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that mundane magic page is one of the most brilliant things I've read in a long time.
< 1225532204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, misread that as "hey, a deer masturbates outside the window" "cute".
< 1225532228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, fizzie.
< 1225532382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning
< 1225532395 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should go to sleep soon...
< 1225532408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah where in the world?
< 1225532409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good moaning
< 1225532414 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Tis almost 04:00.
< 1225532424 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Midwest of the US.
< 1225532427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:40 here
< 1225532430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is in antarctica.  he's secretly a penguin.
< 1225532431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Europe
< 1225532497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plotting to use his devious ice machines to take over the world, but don't worry about that.
< 1225532507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, but it'd be awesome to move there.
< 1225532512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, he's on to me.
< 1225532512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why we started the global warming project, after all.
< 1225532528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1225532541 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ice machines shall soon bring PEBBLE to all the world!!!
< 1225532553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let global cooling mark II commence!
< 1225532571 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, pebbles are a well known result of glaciers.
< 1225532574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches as a full 1/2 of the Earth slowly gets colder over the next few months
< 1225532634 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not because of you, that's the polar bears' sinister doing.  but we'll get them in just a few years.
< 1225532666 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they learn to swim _really_ well.  BWAHAHAHAHA!!
< 1225532680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been plotting with them.
< 1225532687 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taught them how to swim and everything.
< 1225532689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D
< 1225532701 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but you never get the timing right.
< 1225532708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you shoot yourself in the foot using brainfuck?
< 1225532712 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always half a year out of phase
< 1225532725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: using PSOX
< 1225532733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ugh
< 1225532738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bullet extension
< 1225532739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225532777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'd write a bullet macro and a gun macro, and call it as follows: gun bullet > foot : temp1 temp2 temp3 temp4 temp5 temp6 temp7 temp8 temp9 temp10
< 1225532799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is that in some high level language compiling to bf?
< 1225532835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's PEBBLE, the coolest language in the world.  after all it's used in the ice machines.
< 1225532837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about these languages then: Unlambda, Underload, Befunge-98, Funge-98
< 1225532851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I meant real BF
< 1225532859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the first two use PSOX there too
< 1225532873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1225532875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-93
< 1225532877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter two use the EXPL funge fingerprint
< 1225532879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Funge-98
< 1225532887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typoed that
< 1225532888 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh 93 needs PSOX i think
< 1225532907 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEBBLE compiles into Brainfuck.
< 1225536492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"The raisins are hysterical, though"
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< 1225541697 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1225542035 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1225542452 0 :oklopol!i=oko@a91-156-11-244.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225542498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what's your favorite apple?
< 1225543309 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1225543316 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well aren't you a merry bunch.
< 1225544805 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | e "/bot/ircbot.py", line 183>), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x8057b20>, <code object do_ps at 0xb7c58660, file "/bot/ircbot.py", line 204>), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x80d2f60>, <code object do_kill at 0xb7c58860, file "/bot/ircbot.py", line 218>), (<_sre.SRE_Pattern object at 0x80cd078>, <code
< 1225544851 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225545268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1225545269 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | well you would need to hack the main loop anywya
< 1225545272 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1225545272 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | at least that's what's supposed to happen :)
< 1225545277 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1225545280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it is.
< 1225546201 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225546381 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1225546590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklopol> so, what's your favorite apple? <-- Apple ][
< 1225546658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that wasn't hard ;P
< 1225547431 0 :Corun_!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225547531 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the correct answer was "fruit"
< 1225547574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I disagree
< 1225547644 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225547651 0 :oklopol!i=oko@a91-156-11-244.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225547935 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225548233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, apple core dumped
< 1225548234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1225548241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :</bad joke>
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< 1225548691 0 :Corun__!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225549200 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225549513 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225549694 0 :CakeProphet__!n=bread@h216.44.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225549700 0 :CakeProphet__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet
< 1225549799 0 :CakeProphet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225551006 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225551042 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1225552117 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1225555041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M0ny, hm
< 1225555054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M0ny, why not "hi"
< 1225555057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why "plop"?
< 1225555069 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not ?
< 1225555127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M0ny, I asked first
< 1225555135 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damned
< 1225555154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M0ny, hm?
< 1225555161 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know
< 1225555167 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"plop" is cute
< 1225555472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lord
< 1225555474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did AnMaster ask that again?
< 1225555478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY PLOP WHY PLOP WHY PLOP WAAAAAAA
< 1225555522 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^
< 1225557566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1225557575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fyug fol otol
< 1225557788 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225558239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm?
< 1225558385 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1225558434 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what YOU think
< 1225558554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :owning c++ people @ speed using python, that's what i call sex
< 1225558629 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always the sex talk with this channel
< 1225558655 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes even when on topic
< 1225558690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like this on other irc channels too?  i wouldn't know.
< 1225558934 0 :omniscient_idiot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 python
< 1225559161 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: more or less
< 1225559190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: none of us have lives
< 1225559191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sex" isn't really sex talk in that context
< 1225559193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we're all nerds
< 1225559205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of us like, 1x-2y
< 1225559209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes!
< 1225559213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where x>5 and y<7
< 1225559215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess.
< 1225559216 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would NEVER have guessed
< 1225559224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, well
< 1225559226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's your answer
< 1225559227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1225559313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, at least -9
< 1225559327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that was a range
< 1225559328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:(
< 1225559337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x and y were digits
< 1225559338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1225559359 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare you redefine standard math notation!
< 1225559370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because.
< 1225559428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as how neither you nor i is within that range...
< 1225559492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i said 'most'
< 1225559533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ehird is too *young and naive* to talk about sex, and you... well you've probably forgotten what it means
< 1225559550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? young and naive? ha :-P
< 1225559554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.
< 1225559555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first part.
< 1225559557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1225559560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you have to be pretty mature to be able to make sex jokes.
< 1225559569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think oerjan is actually my age
< 1225559570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prove me wrong.
< 1225559595 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mentally that may be true.
< 1225559621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm nowhere near as snide, but still...
< 1225559646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i think oerjan and fizzie are actually different personalities of the same person
< 1225559677 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :split personality, i guess
< 1225559686 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well hidden from each other
< 1225559702 0 :omniscient_idiot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple personality disorder :)
< 1225559741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hard part is setting up two different virtual pcs on the same laptop without either noticing the other, i think
< 1225559742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: fizzerjan is actually my age.
< 1225559770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also, how to be logged in via a norweigan and finnish isp simultaneously
< 1225559785 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1225559822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually since the norwegian one is a shell account it's not that hard
< 1225559835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as you know, that is
< 1225559836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, true
< 1225559914 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you paid particular attention when i had that bot on #irp)
< 1225559968 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and i guess i've visited your website too, so you may have my real ISP information there too
< 1225560005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bot on #irp? huh
< 1225560017 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was several months ago
< 1225560017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also you could have voted via the shell
< 1225560018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1225560026 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what voting?
< 1225560027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how on earth did that work
< 1225560035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1225560036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what voting?
< 1225560036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1225560045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh
< 1225560047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: visited
< 1225560049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :visited via the shell
< 1225560073 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could, but i haven't
< 1225560125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how can i trust you... FIZZERJAN
< 1225560145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot.  in fact i don't really exist.
< 1225560153 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am just a figment of your imagination.
< 1225560159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so is everyone else.
< 1225560162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from oklopol
< 1225560163 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, true
< 1225560165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a figment of oklopol's imagination
< 1225560325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, two vritual pcs on the same laptop?
< 1225560332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using virtual box or?
< 1225560345 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH!
< 1225560351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should i know?
< 1225560367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all obviously done by a third, overarching personality
< 1225560378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh
< 1225560380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1225560401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a superhacker, i assume
< 1225560409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i.e., fizzerjan
< 1225560424 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense
< 1225560467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but fizzerjan is a figment of my imagination
< 1225560468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1225560477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do converstaions with you always end up putting life in a paradoxical singularity
< 1225560479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously.
< 1225560484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also WHY THE FUCK CAN'T I TYPE
< 1225560487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two days ago i could
< 1225560491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is UP with me now
< 1225560499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, still ignoring?
< 1225560501 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you insist on treating them seriously
< 1225560514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess so
< 1225560546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i do not
< 1225560549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225560577 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good.  ignoring a figment of your imagination is probably not healthy.
< 1225560585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food
< 1225560647 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION seconds that
< 1225560707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* fizzie seconds that
< 1225561080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err how many seconds?
< 1225561081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225561095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so what is your last project?
< 1225561096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 500
< 1225561099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 3333333333
< 1225561100 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8|
< 1225561106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's definitely over the time limit
< 1225561164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i had to put in a new garbage bag
< 1225561264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i guess that solves it
< 1225561273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not exactly the clean way to do it
< 1225561314 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the new bag was clean
< 1225561321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or reasonably so
< 1225561396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1225561399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that conversation
< 1225561401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it meant to make sense
< 1225561407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one?
< 1225561414 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, which one?
< 1225561425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it's not like i have a bag full of sugars myself...
< 1225561431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oerjan: that's definitely over the time limit
< 1225561432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:39] oerjan: but i had to put in a new garbage bag
< 1225561432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:41] oklopol: yeah, i guess that solves it
< 1225561432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:41] oklopol: but it's not exactly the clean way to do it
< 1225561432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:41] oerjan: well the new bag was clean
< 1225561434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:42] oerjan: or reasonably so
< 1225561436 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just your overactive imagination
< 1225561462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i just explained to oklopol why i went over the time limit
< 1225561478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< whaaaaattttttt
< 1225561488 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why there is a time limit, i don't know
< 1225561521 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you do, you're just ashamed of it
< 1225561523 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't be.
< 1225561614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just kind of...eat...
< 1225561616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doors...
< 1225561628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::}
< 1225561634 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is eating too, which is how this started
< 1225561636 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you have to make the visible first.
< 1225561639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*them
< 1225561662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it started with AnMaster, but that's not important unless you were ignoring him
< 1225561679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1225561681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am
< 1225561683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that explains things
< 1225561724 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy that
< 1225561768 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION resolves to make more comments that make no sense without listening to AnMaster in the future
< 1225561830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right AnMaster
< 1225561835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chickens DO do that.
< 1225561850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get to the other side.
< 1225561858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no
< 1225561860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in mating season.
< 1225561874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do what?
< 1225561875 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before or after the eggs?
< 1225561881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hah
< 1225561887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inbetwixt.
< 1225561889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, AnMaster, I know that.
< 1225561898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :know what?
< 1225561903 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's funny, i try to confuse ehird and end up confusing AnMaster instead
< 1225561907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh. don't belittle my intelligence
< 1225561930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Shut up about your boots.
< 1225561933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your boots are GREEN.
< 1225561938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chickens don't even wear boots...
< 1225561943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck are you blabbing on about
< 1225561945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you are ignoring me and I'm going to ignore you too if you don't stop these silly highlights
< 1225561947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
< 1225561984 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's for the best.
< 1225561991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to be fair, your chicken order WAS delightful
< 1225561996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depsite involving boots
< 1225561997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i propose a truce.
< 1225562004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no, not a whirlpool
< 1225562006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a _truce_
< 1225562019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird!*@* added to ignore list.
< 1225562020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1225562023 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am afraid we have succeeded in fracturing ehird's mind
< 1225562030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed
< 1225562039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shut up with your COMMUNIST IDEALS
< 1225562043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster's chickens will stop them, I'm sure
< 1225562054 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ignorance is strength
< 1225562060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: communist
< 1225562065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw, you can confuse both me and AnMaster
< 1225562068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: fascist
< 1225562073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just talk to me and AnMaster
< 1225562075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simultaneously
< 1225562084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's brilliant!
< 1225562090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1225562106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so how is your chicken vat
< 1225562111 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if it almost makes sense in both cases
< 1225562121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're giving it away damnit
< 1225562122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a chicken
< 1225562126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1225562127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do.
< 1225562165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my aunt used to have chickens, i remember
< 1225562166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, chickens are tasty
< 1225562171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you agree?
< 1225562178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me again, why are you a communist?
< 1225562182 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very tasty
< 1225562195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225562197 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not!
< 1225562203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are your chickens communistically tasty
< 1225562205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe
< 1225562214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't involved AnMaster yet, oerjan
< 1225562220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk, food
< 1225562220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1225562221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have you
< 1225562225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know nothing about that
< 1225562234 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you have chicken?
< 1225562266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225562269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it's tasty.
< 1225562270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, maybe
< 1225562274 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't asking you.
< 1225562280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but really, chicken and ice cream!?
< 1225562281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1225562284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1225562289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes you were
< 1225562305 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't to you either
< 1225562307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know the English word for namnsdag
< 1225562319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, names?
< 1225562338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dont' give chicken names
< 1225562340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, namnsdag, as in name-day
< 1225562344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because
< 1225562346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are less tasty then
< 1225562347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namnsdag
< 1225562351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, communists, but they always dislike 'em
< 1225562362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are saints aren't they, at least in catholicism
< 1225562364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, very common in Sweden, but not elsewhere I guess
< 1225562378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, saints?
< 1225562419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, actually not today, but dad wasn't home yesterday, so we moved the festivities one day
< 1225562465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_day
< 1225562481 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1225562498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the alternative language links in wikipedia are useful for such things
< 1225562515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot do return with new!
< 1225562519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new data set - of new
< 1225562525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now afk
< 1225562549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys...
< 1225562550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of new!
< 1225562550 0 :optbot!n=optbot@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225562550 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ...I did die
< 1225562555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1225562560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now you live again
< 1225562564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, so how are you?
< 1225562572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!?
< 1225562577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken I guess
< 1225562580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's alive!
< 1225562618 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is something wrong with optbot?
< 1225562621 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=140#comic
< 1225562628 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems so
< 1225562667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1225562691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1225562692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wont die
< 1225562742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's had enough of that dying business
< 1225562748 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1225562753 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225562755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew
< 1225562772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
< 1225562772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....
< 1225562774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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< 1225562802 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | 'vening.
< 1225562806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: yo
< 1225562806 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 1.5 MBit.
< 1225562810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: bitches!! yea!!
< 1225562810 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: !hangman
< 1225562815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: test
< 1225562817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhhhh.
< 1225562820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disowning kills i
< 1225562820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1225562822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfoo.
< 1225562826 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225562842 0 :optbot!n=optbot@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225562842 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | i was trying to beat you to it :p
< 1225562845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: yo
< 1225562846 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it was missing
< 1225562849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: bitches
< 1225562849 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: :)
< 1225562853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: :D
< 1225562854 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: gn
< 1225562858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: gnnnnnnnnn
< 1225562858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1225562858 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no way
< 1225562860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fuck
< 1225562862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huntd is at 95% cpu
< 1225562871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, hi
< 1225562872 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah
< 1225562881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, ah what?
< 1225562881 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: interesting way to express large numbers: "For example, it can be shown that there are 33, 665, 406 possible expressions over the numbers 1, 3, 7, 10, 25, 50, but only 4, 672, 540 of these expressions evaluate successfully, which is just under 14%."
< 1225562882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: why are you talking to AnMaster
< 1225562883 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I can't see the ()s being used for anything else there
< 1225562887 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hy kids
< 1225562889 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey*
< 1225562913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, tell me about ehird
< 1225562913 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't watch pron... :P
< 1225562919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, good for you
< 1225562920 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think it could be made to generate bfasm code
< 1225562921 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: be careful, they're not talking
< 1225562931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird is pron?
< 1225562949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, really?
< 1225562950 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: only if wallmart sells walls for martians
< 1225562950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: some may find that disturbing
< 1225562951 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks :) but have you got chocolate?
< 1225562960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, they do?
< 1225562960 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 12
< 1225562965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, no 13
< 1225562966 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: > (set x 5)
< 1225562966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: alas, no
< 1225562967 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: print "Hello World!".
< 1225562973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World!
< 1225562983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, hah
< 1225562984 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sounds challenging. :) i just remembered
< 1225562990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, oh right
< 1225562990 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so
< 1225562996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what optbot?
< 1225562996 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't like it
< 1225563012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, it == ehird? I understand that easily enough.
< 1225563012 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but you can't mount the directories until the installer has created them
< 1225563026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1225563033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could run mkdir to do it optbot
< 1225563034 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Does all jazz sound dissonant to you?
< 1225563044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, not really
< 1225563044 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: rather difficult to match 5 letters with 4 statements
< 1225563053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1225563054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1225563058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what it is
< 1225563063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe AnMaster was feeding poor optbot cfunge.
< 1225563064 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: brb
< 1225563077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: do you funge?
< 1225563078 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe scrap the Generator and have each Device created be a random one.
< 1225563089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, no I'm not
< 1225563089 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: brb making interpreter
< 1225563095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, what+1
< 1225563096 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can find all the revisions in the wiki data dir
< 1225563114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, nice version control system idea
< 1225563114 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm writing a brute-force tic-tac-toe algo for the hell of it
< 1225563127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh that would be quite simple
< 1225563198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: AnMaster: i'm writing a brute-force tic-tac-toe algo for the hell of it
< 1225563199 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: R.I.P.
< 1225563199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said that
< 1225563216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you did?
< 1225563227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1225563242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and no I'm not, currently, ignoring)
< 1225563259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, well yes
< 1225563260 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You as the author have the right to do what you wish, but by default everyone else has no right whatsoever to it.
< 1225563273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: you... copyrightist!
< 1225563274 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: So just what will you be editing?
< 1225563275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, I know licensing
< 1225563275 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well
< 1225563281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, but I GPL
< 1225563282 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Those are the ones logged on tunes.org
< 1225563282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: COPYRIGHT
< 1225563282 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the digits are clusters of two letters
< 1225563305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, the logs yes
< 1225563305 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you said it took you an hour
< 1225563306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COPYLOWERLEFTCORNER
< 1225563313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, what ?
< 1225563313 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it is possible.
< 1225563332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, you are seriously confused.
< 1225563332 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: rewrite it to use the cool stuff
< 1225563342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh POSIX.1-2008?
< 1225563348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, nice idea.
< 1225563349 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: +ul (o)S( o)(~(ko)*:S~:^):^
< 1225563355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (o)S( o)(~(ko)*:S~:^):^
< 1225563359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (o)S( o)(~(ko)*:S~:^):^
< 1225563359 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o oko okoko okokoko okokokoko okokokokoko okokokokokoko okokokokokokoko okokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokok ...too much output!
< 1225563361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1225563362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1225563370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, very well
< 1225563371 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in TI-BASIC? ;)
< 1225563374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO!
< 1225563377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, NEVER!
< 1225563377 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't hold any esolang stuff in there so far; I was about to write a page dedicated to Malbolge as the result of working on this
< 1225563392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, um ok...
< 1225563392 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what I'm wondering too
< 1225563401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, hah
< 1225563402 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you removed my "cocks" comment :(
< 1225563409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, heh
< 1225563410 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: this one guy listened to finntroll, a finnish band that sings in swedish... he said he likes how finnish sounds, so i told him that's swedish, not finnish... he said he can't hear the difference
< 1225563427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, hehe!?
< 1225563428 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because the content of 'message' is HTML
< 1225563433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1225563439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, I see
< 1225563440 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: assembly language running on a PDP-11 emulator running on a Nintendo DS
< 1225563449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that is a great idea
< 1225563465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, don't you agree?
< 1225563466 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: this isn't really a sane way to do good vm instruction dispatch?' tries `eq?'.
< 1225563501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk
< 1225563595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, should I try awesomewm since I can't stand KDE4?
< 1225563595 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ' alist' does _not_, by the way, if i do an infinite loop
< 1225563604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool should I try awesomewm since I can't stand KDE4?
< 1225563607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show
< 1225563607 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help
< 1225563614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1225563614 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^bool
< 1225563619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1225563619 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1225563626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1225563628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1225563631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
< 1225563633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning to anyway
< 1225563647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: wat suld i koed
< 1225563647 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: This is nice and clean, IMO.
< 1225563656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wat suld i koed
< 1225563731 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suggest a spell checker
< 1225563737 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH!
< 1225563741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I second you
< 1225563745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: muphry's law
< 1225563748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+90 seconds)
< 1225563749 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that a grammar checker too
< 1225563757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes
< 1225563759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree
< 1225563782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, lets confuse ehird even more :D
< 1225563796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I bet he is log reading actually
< 1225563799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's no fun
< 1225563809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, confusing ehird? Hm too easy I guess
< 1225563833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, he wouldn't fall for it
< 1225563856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, nah he would way too easily
< 1225563889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're talking to AnMaster aren't you.
< 1225563894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and how is the chicken?
< 1225563907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i TOLD you i don't have a chicken
< 1225563918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, now you told ehird.
< 1225563919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me
< 1225563926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no*
< 1225563931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/now/no/
< 1225563932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even
< 1225563940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't use my own tricks against me
< 1225563943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice try.
< 1225563960 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more fun when you were both ignoring each other
< 1225563968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1225563969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I weren't actually back then :P
< 1225563970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am ignoring AnMaster
< 1225563976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225563980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that he's so predictable :-P
< 1225563984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I was ignoring him long enough to stop highlighting me
< 1225563990 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now _that's_ brilliant :D
< 1225564000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, thanks
< 1225564027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it wasn't that brilliant
< 1225564029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a statement of fact
< 1225564034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, you were likely talking to AnMaster.)
< 1225564035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I switched off ignore after the first time above you said that's brilliant to ehird. and then did log reading
< 1225564040 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1225564058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so I managed to trick you it seems :D
< 1225564066 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..."
< 1225564102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, anyway what about your aardvark  then?
< 1225564116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you really think that would fool me
< 1225564117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how is he/she?
< 1225564143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, *poke*
< 1225564216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hello?
< 1225564219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1225564225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you weren't supposed to confuse ME :(
< 1225564228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me about your aardvark.
< 1225564237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't HAVE one
< 1225564252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are quite obviously talking to AnMaster now.
< 1225564253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what pets do you have then?
< 1225564254 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new theory: AnMaster = ehird
< 1225564263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. i'd have trouble annoying myself that much
< 1225564268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being that predictable takes some effort.
< 1225564272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees with ehird 
< 1225564279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say the same about him
< 1225564284 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that explains how you manage to confuse me
< 1225564301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, So... what pets do you have?
< 1225564309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i annoyed AnMaster enough he'd leave.
< 1225564315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way
< 1225564316 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not many
< 1225564316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never
< 1225564327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh? what ones do you have then?
< 1225564335 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there may be some spiders somewhere here
< 1225564340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I could use my botflood script.
< 1225564343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'd get banned here.
< 1225564345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ew
< 1225564346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Maybe in /msg.
< 1225564400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no way you would get me to leave ever
< 1225564454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if he's ranting to the void.
< 1225564463 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at the moment
< 1225564471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I never do
< 1225564475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also yes I'm ehird
< 1225564476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thank you for the information
< 1225564486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, more split personality than you
< 1225564497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although he started immediately afterwards
< 1225564503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine AnMaster will always stay here, even if just to annoy me.
< 1225564510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not likehe seemst o have anything better to od.
< 1225564512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow
< 1225564514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sentence is messed
< 1225564518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes it was
< 1225564519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be about a summeary
< 1225564532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1225564544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this I believe is due to you feeling so bad for ignoring me :P
< 1225564545 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of recent rants
< 1225564571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't rant
< 1225564580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ehird may rant, I don't. I discuss
< 1225564584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1225564606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sure you don't have either aardvark or chickens?
< 1225564607 0 :Corun_!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225564608 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225564609 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the first part is true
< 1225564612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe your other personality does?
< 1225564629 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aardvarks are not norwegian animals
< 1225564632 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or finnish afaik
< 1225564644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, What has Finnish got to do with it?
< 1225564657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more attempts to confuse me?
< 1225564662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: surely you have more class.
< 1225564664 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, pay attention!
< 1225564683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm...
< 1225564685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is finnish
< 1225564690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well yeah
< 1225564697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he is your alterego?
< 1225564701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice one
< 1225564715 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right you _were_ ignoring ehird then...
< 1225564726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well I was for a bit, but not all the time
< 1225564733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it went back and forth several times
< 1225564751 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Back is a programming language
< 1225564759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1225564760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1225564767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Forth is
< 1225564769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh
< 1225564770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225564772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1225564773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAH
< 1225564787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, AnMaster's lack of a sense of humour is more amusing when you only see one side
< 1225564794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ships AnMaster to Pun Comprehension Classes
< 1225564797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan wonders if Back is a programming language
< 1225564797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:39] oerjan: because Forth is
< 1225564798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:39] oerjan: sheesh
< 1225564815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't like puns
< 1225564816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1225564824 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1225564836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sulks in the corner
< 1225564851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't hate it, but usually I don't find puns that funny
< 1225564872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why the sulking?
< 1225564887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it is an issue with not being a native English speaker
< 1225564894 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster doesn't like puns :´(
< 1225564906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ehird reminds me of Drav, oversized ego
< 1225564908 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll tell some halves of jokes.
< 1225564909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sheesh. how unlikeable
< 1225564914 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's Drav?
< 1225564916 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did the blonde tear apart the newspaper?
< 1225564923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, someone with an oversized ego
< 1225564927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, who loves OS X
< 1225564927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: a
< 1225564937 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you kill a blonde?
< 1225564942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe he *is* Drav, except ehird is a better programmer
< 1225564949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: a
< 1225564949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so doesn't fit
< 1225564961 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once, I was driving down the road, when I saw a blonde in a boat out in a field.
< 1225564966 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why the a?
< 1225564970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: a
< 1225564973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a
< 1225564974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiot
< 1225564975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1225564976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1225564977 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1225564978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so obvious.
< 1225564979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right oklopol
< 1225565003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1225565009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was half a joke certainly
< 1225565011 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least you got an a
< 1225565045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you could words
< 1225565065 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did the blonde get an A on her test?
< 1225565070 0 :Corun__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225565078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie, I don't know, why?
< 1225565078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: a
< 1225565083 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats warrie ----###
< 1225565089 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that half-joke was subconsciously influenced by oerjan.
< 1225565096 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sorry, that's the only half you get.
< 1225565106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie, ah
< 1225565140 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to hit anyone with a frying pan again, but if you keep telling half jokes...
< 1225565155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I think they are great
< 1225565181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did a blond swat oerjan with a frying pan?
< 1225565186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait
< 1225565189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did the blond swat oerjan with a frying pan?
< 1225565194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for the typo
< 1225565200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _am_ a blond
< 1225565219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did oerjan swat oerjan with his own frying pan?
< 1225565221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must have been one of my other personalities
< 1225565226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1225565233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1225565261 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it impossible to give away a metronome?
< 1225565278 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh!
< 1225565285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't get that one
< 1225565291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not god at that sort of jokes
< 1225565297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good*
< 1225565298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr
< 1225565299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't either
< 1225565311 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one has no punchline.
< 1225565316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1225565328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie, did the previous ones have?
< 1225565329 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1225565332 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them.
< 1225565336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1225565343 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have the other half of a joke: Because it's actually impossible to slam one.
< 1225565356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did the oerjan's chicken NOT cross the road?
< 1225565368 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't EXIST stupid
< 1225565373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right
< 1225565377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did the ehird's chicken NOT cross the road?
< 1225565392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we will never know because he is ignoring you
< 1225565401 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do warrigals eat chickens, I wonder.
< 1225565410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure they do
< 1225565416 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thus the nick
< 1225565429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did warrie's aardvark cross the runway?
< 1225565447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be awkward
< 1225565459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, nice one but that wasn't the one I planned
< 1225565467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your one is better
< 1225565472 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1225565503 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because "aardvark" means "little armored one". I suppose it comes from the word "armar", meaning "to armor".
< 1225565512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, mine was: because he likes random mutations of jokes.
< 1225565521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does?
< 1225565528 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225565540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1225565542 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225565549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, bye AnMaster
< 1225565555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm leaving, forever
< 1225565557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1225565559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: you're not confusing it with armadillos?
< 1225565562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1225565568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to leave
< 1225565587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is just unreasonable
< 1225565639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why did the one-aramditos cross the road?
< 1225565650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(extremely bad yeah)
< 1225565651 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's very difficult to mistake "aardvark" for a word derived from "armar", "-ado", and "-illo".
< 1225565657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he needed to go to school to learn to spell
< 1225565700 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: yes but you did didn't you?
< 1225565717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no the joke was in one-armed bandit -> banditos -> one-armadillo in the end
< 1225565774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awfully awkward, i say
< 1225565802 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: only until before I said that "aardvark" means "little armored one".
< 1225565810 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never say anything until you know it's not true.
< 1225565811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The name comes from the Afrikaans/Dutch for "earth pig" (aarde earth, varken pig)"
< 1225565812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie, ^
< 1225565815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aardvark
< 1225565872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and yes it was awful
< 1225565878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1225566045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1225566543 0 :Corun__!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225566716 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1225566782 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hum... Hum..."
< 1225566849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1225567042 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225568108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a question:
< 1225568114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should this do in scheme:
< 1225568119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(call/cc call/cc)
< 1225568144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to return a continuation?
< 1225568152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't understand the logic behind that
< 1225568184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, maybe you can help?
< 1225568252 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when you evaluate that, it evaluates in some continuation, call it c
< 1225568258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225568275 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the outer call/cc calls the inner with c as argument
< 1225568283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so -> (call/cc c)
< 1225568284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes so far I understand it
< 1225568295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it makes no sense
< 1225568308 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, since scheme is tail call optimizing, the continuation for that is _still_ c
< 1225568315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225568330 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get (c c)
< 1225568331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to see where this is leading
< 1225568343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so c is returned to itself
< 1225568353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1225568369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.. hm
< 1225568382 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the same as the original expression returning its own continuation
< 1225568388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1225568408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, am I right in that this continuation isn't very usable though?
< 1225568415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw this is one of the cases for Subtle Cough on the wiki
< 1225568435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would depend what is around it...
< 1225568445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1225568505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing, you could use it as a kind of goto label
< 1225568524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it needs a parameter though
< 1225568529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define x (call/cc call/cc))
< 1225568532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to call x
< 1225568536 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever you call (c c), you go back to the same point
< 1225568546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ok that is evil
< 1225568566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I still find call/cc very confusing
< 1225568569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you call it with something else, it could get even more confusing
< 1225568570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general
< 1225568599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling a continuation after it has returned is pretty confusing yes
< 1225568612 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of backtracking
< 1225568672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed. I can handle calling continuations *before* return
< 1225568675 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling it before it has returned is easier, that's more like a break
< 1225568855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes
< 1225568890 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now say you want to use this for actual backtracking
< 1225568975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right
< 1225568982 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could then do (call/cc (lambda (c) (cons c #f)))
< 1225568995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1225568997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1225569001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be um
< 1225569003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :false?
< 1225569010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1225569015 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that returns a pair of the continuation with #f
< 1225569016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c . #f)
< 1225569041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then?
< 1225569042 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can then save the continuation, and branch on the #f
< 1225569047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1225569058 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you want to backtrack, you call (c (cons c #t))
< 1225569081 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so you go back, and take the other branch
< 1225569199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225569489 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there are more clever uses to be found on the web
< 1225570598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1225570937 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that mundane magic thing reminds me of what I thought was a very nice touch in one of the H.P. movies: one guy in the background using magic to put chairs on pub tables, while clearing up.  It shows how utterly mundane magic is to these people.
< 1225572406 0 :fruitbag!n=bluefish@78.147.227.196 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225572657 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if magic WAS mundane...
< 1225572670 0 :fruitbag!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man
< 1225572911 0 :fruitbag!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1225573121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloes again. What's this about a fizzerjan?
< 1225574173 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if I made any mistakes: 01234567890246893579470369580481371496059725061516263827398307408417528531864299
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< 1225575334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR:
< 1225575342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your colour schemer only ever seem to generate like 10 unique colour schemes
< 1225575343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\
< 1225575402 0 :asiekierk!n=asiekier@89.108.200.8 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225575406 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1225575411 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Unlambda is any fun
< 1225575442 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . where's thutubot
< 1225575460 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, as fungot has an underload interpreter, thutubot isn't useful anymore? aah
< 1225575461 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: come from is a trivial search-and-replace for baz? x)
< 1225575516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: >_<
< 1225575526 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: w_h a_t
< 1225575621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird
< 1225575630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't leave for good
< 1225575646 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can you teach unlambda?
< 1225575656 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should i learn it alone
< 1225575757 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because i think unlambda is cool
< 1225575886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I can't
< 1225575890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't teach
< 1225575898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would just point you to the esolang wiki
< 1225575921 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1225575949 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, interesting...  http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/08/dreams-of-frien.html
< 1225575962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk, if you want me to "teach" you would have to "pay"
< 1225575973 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly becasue it shoews why friendly AI is very hard to get right, even if AI is easy...
< 1225575975 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to pay... in boxes.
< 1225575981 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many
< 1225575987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :answering specific questions about languages I actually know sure.
< 1225575997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk, hard money :P
< 1225575997 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1225576003 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a tut on the unlambdage
< 1225576007 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or unlambda's page
< 1225576030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also while I know underload I'm not good at it, and unlambda I don't know at all
< 1225576033 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and partly because I mihgt like to read about the story of such an AI that manages to manipulate the world into letting it escape without people thinking it will be able to escape
< 1225576063 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendly AI -or- how to take over the world when no-one trusts you even to have a body
< 1225576907 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god, how long can Boehm GC compile on Windoze?
< 1225576914 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It already took 5 minutes
< 1225576979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: 5 minutes is not long
< 1225576981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be patient.
< 1225577067 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...You are kidding me. it's doing it ALL OVER AGAIN?
< 1225577098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: how long is your attention span...?
< 1225577277 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :attention span?
< 1225577279 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??
< 1225577324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierk: w...hat
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< 1225577518 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of hat is a w-hat?
< 1225577568 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: With the restrictions I've placed on pages, it's difficult to generate much purely randomly. If it did it more intelligently it would probably generate more.
< 1225577590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: if you watch http://elliott.hird.name.eso-std.org/ it pretty much cycles the same few colour schemes
< 1225577608 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<GregorR> ehird: With the restrictions I've placed on pages, it's difficult to generate much purely randomly. If it did it more intelligently it would probably generate more.
< 1225577615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: DOIT :-P
< 1225577693 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've counted at least 9 distinctively unique ones.
< 1225577764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd, i don't seem to get that many
< 1225577773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like...6
< 1225577774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1225577774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7
< 1225577881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, there?
< 1225577882 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so only funge space and anything meddling with z dimension would need changing
< 1225577894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, interesting
< 1225578467 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supposing I were infinitely intelligent, I could probably take over the world through my computer.
< 1225578567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: with no net connection?
< 1225578593 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With an Internet connection.
< 1225578612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: Who would give an infinitely intelligent AI a net connection?!
< 1225579011 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a person who already had an Internet connection became infinitely intelligent through a freak accident.
< 1225579094 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that happened to me, I suppose I might make extremely large amounts of money, buy the world, and begin colonizing the Solar System.
< 1225579240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: then kill all humans?
< 1225579258 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I like humans.
< 1225579298 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let my successor kill all humans.
< 1225579479 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe killing all humans would require too much effort, though, similar to destroying all flu viruses in the universe.
< 1225579558 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's plausible that a flu virus will get on some object that is sent into outer space never to return. The object could then get smashed into bits, and then we'd have lots of bits, each of them having a probability of having the virus on it.
< 1225579792 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could break the human-inhabitable universe into bits too small to contain humans.
< 1225580094 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I have hear on the radio a story called "Understand" about a person who gets a superhuman nervous system
< 1225580137 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh does cool stuff like figure out how to kill people by manipulating their phsyiology into positive-feedback loops using subtleties of body language
< 1225580175 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems that with just one rough peer, the world isn't big enough for the both of them
< 1225580262 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People ought to figure out how to control their own physiology in a way that could kill them.
< 1225580266 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not.
< 1225580286 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225580294 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you heard of pointing the bone?
< 1225580342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like an English idiom
< 1225580343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
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< 1225581931 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1225582080 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
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< 1225583064 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: ah, yeah, the mthod by which "witch doctors" can (apparently) kill people
< 1225583098 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of those fascinating little corners of human psychology.
< 1225583117 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls the time when, while trying to activate his sleep paralysis mechinism while conscious, he managed to twiddle his body's themostat instead.
< 1225583123 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People believe so strongly that the shaman has this power, that they will die by the placebo effect alone.
< 1225583159 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to see some eeg, ecg, etc of that
< 1225583219 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I got a sufficient fever to give me that room shrinking but remaining same size effect, and tohat everythning has a newsprint texture feeling.)
< 1225583229 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it wore off a few minutes after ceasing meditation)
< 1225583246 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather "``meditation''"
< 1225583467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zoop
< 1225583601 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ??
< 1225583607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: zoooooooooop, man
< 1225583609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true :|
< 1225583616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrrrr
< 1225583622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :postfix interaction with majordomo2
< 1225583625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is you that i despise
< 1225583627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for your non-workingness
< 1225584231 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a haiku
< 1225584365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: fix majordomo2, please.
< 1225584405 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A haiku it's not
< 1225584405 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried but I screwed it up
< 1225584405 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last line is too long
< 1225584440 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | in that context
< 1225584548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: YOU FIX IT
< 1225585091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :......
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< 1225587529 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secret military resource naming FAIL:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SF_Hydro
< 1225587558 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wellnot really)
< 1225587631 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was used for shipping heavy water)
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< 1225589180 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION detects some similarities to Pascal's Wager here:   http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/10/ethical-injunct.html#more
< 1225589509 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, maybe he is not making a silly mistake:  http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/10/ends-dont-justi.html
< 1225589562 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Summary: the ends don't ustify the means because you're human; other types of intelligence could have "the ends do justify the means" or even "the ends do not prohibit the means".
< 1225589970 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225592040 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone asks what is fast or slow oon an intel architecture, hit them with this 512-page document:  http://www.intel.com/design/processor/manuals/248966.pdf
< 1225592045 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is some specs
< 1225592080 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, no, it is the "Optimisation Reference Manual"
< 1225592109 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking hell, what is the world coming to if we need that much documentation to optimise machine code
< 1225592241 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe that isn't that bad
< 1225592498 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The AMD equivalent is a lightweight by comparison: a mere 384 pages.
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< 1225592891 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1225593010 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1225593663 0 :Corun__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1225593832 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anything new?
< 1225594052 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu.send(new Object())
< 1225594171 0 :CakeProphet__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225594173 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(receive-object (object-sender "SimonRC"))
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< 1225594356 0 :CakeProphet__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet
< 1225596574 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
< 1225597989 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense
< 1225598515 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me take this moment to point out that if I find Obama's tax plan really boring, I'm uninterested, while if I'm not affected by it because I live in Ireland, I'm disinterested.
< 1225598533 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm allowed to say anything at all after... nine minutes have passed without any conversation.
< 1225599329 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocks.
< 1225599410 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent demonstration of the nine-minute principle.
< 1225599965 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225600004 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
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< 1225601259 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225601944 0 :kwertii!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bye"
< 1225602348 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225602800 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1225606040 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ____________________________________________ |  '!hangman <lcase-guess>'  to guess a letter!
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< 1225609911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :peacocks.
< 1225609949 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i didn't know warrie was irish.
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< 1225612799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1225618121 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occurs to me that if one is looking for a person that won't be persuaded to let the AI out of the box, then a mailing list full of singularitarians who aren't philosophers is probably not the best place to start
< 1225618166 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels irriated by philosophers
< 1225618184 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very dangerous to be irradiated by philosophers
< 1225618195 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, please stop.
< 1225618206 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT the only way to argue with them and not have your opinion changed is either to be a philsopher yourself or to be very closed-minded
< 1225618262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refuse to consider that ridiculous statement
< 1225618266 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225618296 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if any have had a hobby of persuading random mentally-healthy people to kill themselves
< 1225618308 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could a court convict you of murder?
< 1225618317 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!hangman e
< 1225618319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've been reading about that stone too? :D
< 1225618333 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, and I don't want to know
< 1225618364 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION somehow got started on Overcoming Bias today
< 1225618383 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "somehow" == "from this channel", of course
< 1225618407 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately most of the opinions I gained from that blog seem to have faded away over time
< 1225618426 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or rather, I my desire to know is outweighed by the anticipation that I would regret asking)
< 1225618625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<SimonRC> The AMD equivalent is a lightweight by comparison: a mere 384 pages. <-- hah I read that one iirc
< 1225618647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION got an AMD CPU
< 1225618661 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are thy different from Intel?
< 1225618694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't read the intel one
< 1225618695 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: damnit, I said:
< 1225618695 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: .. how many do you have?
< 1225618697 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!hangman e
< 1225618748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1225618749 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | don't scan just as black and white
< 1225618784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk
< 1225618827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :****e*
< 1225618915 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: r
< 1225619047 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :****er
< 1225619066 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a common pattern ;-)
< 1225619068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn now i may have to find a hangman ascii picture
< 1225619087 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: n
< 1225619131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so
< 1225619149 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :****er                   O
< 1225619172 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1225619181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :****er                   O
< 1225619188 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1225619192 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                         |
< 1225619219 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, vertical ain't going to work with the 5-sec delay
< 1225619238 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think?
< 1225619255 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes I do
< 1225619293 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1225619323 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :****er              O
< 1225619324 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   /|
< 1225619333 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1225619346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :****er              O
< 1225619346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   /|\
< 1225619380 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders
< 1225619445 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1225619458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s***er              O /|\
< 1225619467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1225619488 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn irssi pasting
< 1225619508 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225619555 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1225619562 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s***er              O
< 1225619567 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   /|\
< 1225619573 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   /
< 1225619593 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u
< 1225619601 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :su**er              O
< 1225619603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   /|\
< 1225619605 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   /
< 1225619611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p
< 1225619618 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :su**er              O
< 1225619618 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooo
< 1225619622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   /|\
< 1225619626 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: c
< 1225619626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   / \
< 1225619635 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suc*er              O
< 1225619637 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   /|\
< 1225619638 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   / \
< 1225619639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1225619647 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucker              O
< 1225619649 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   /|\
< 1225619652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   / \
< 1225619660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :              ===========
< 1225619666 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey!  I had him there
< 1225619683 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries one
< 1225619683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well someone's got to be it
< 1225619689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shower ->
< 1225619696 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :******
< 1225619697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk
< 1225619703 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1225619768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :********
< 1225619773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(back)
< 1225619800 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1225619818 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine first surely
< 1225619823 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or both at once maybe
< 1225619829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well both at once then
< 1225619835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: e
< 1225619836 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in turns
< 1225619851 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :******   o
< 1225619871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for SimonRC to list his first char
< 1225619873 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1225619878 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1225619885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :********      o
< 1225619895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, s
< 1225619926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for SimonRC
< 1225619949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurry
< 1225619963 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, waitamo, I can't spell
< 1225619965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or I'm going afk because it is too boring)
< 1225619974 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore mine
< 1225619976 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess t
< 1225619977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1225619985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :********      o
< 1225619985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :              |
< 1225620003 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n
< 1225620012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :********      o
< 1225620012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :             /|\
< 1225620016 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r
< 1225620026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**r*****      o
< 1225620026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :             /|\
< 1225620032 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1225620042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aar*****      o
< 1225620042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :             /|\
< 1225620053 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1225620063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you for picking a
< 1225620064 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1225620065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aard****      o
< 1225620065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :             /|\
< 1225620073 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1225620085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aard*o**      o
< 1225620085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :             /|\
< 1225620090 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w
< 1225620092 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f
< 1225620092 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l
< 1225620096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah right
< 1225620109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aardwolf
< 1225620116 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1225620117 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1225620123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, how could you *NOT* pick aardvark?
< 1225620130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the second r?
< 1225620138 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, there would be a third a
< 1225620145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that too
< 1225620149 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225620165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about "Aaronite"?
< 1225620170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue what that is
< 1225620181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saw it in /usr/share/dict/words
< 1225620186 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225620192 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough*
< 1225620198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, ?
< 1225620210 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok:
< 1225620220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitions of Aaronite on the Web:
< 1225620220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    * A kohen (or cohen, Hebrew כּהן, "priest", pl. כּהנִים, kohanim or cohanim) has a special status in Judaism. ...
< 1225620220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaronite
< 1225620221 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**********
< 1225620228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, I'm going afk now
< 1225620229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1225620233 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1225621636 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1225622358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangman is much more fun as follows, with two players: one chooses a word, other guesses, then the first guy guesses; here, the other guy comes up with a word that would fit what there currently is, and adds letters accordingly; now the first guy changes his word, and this continues until both guys' words converge into the same word, the one who guesses it first wins
< 1225622434 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i invented this in the sauna once, it's much harder than hangman, and you don't need the actual hanging man, even, because you want to hang yourself anyway, after a while of playing
< 1225623797 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you can't think of a word that fits?
< 1225624016 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders...
< 1225624040 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if a programming language's terminology was not mathematical but from elsewhere?
< 1225624040 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | psshhh
< 1225624072 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of the singleton pattern, we would hve the phoenix pattern
< 1225624104 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tires to think of more examples...
< 1225624107 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tries
< 1225625533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: then you lose
< 1225625560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there will always be a word, if whatever weird word the opponent may have chosen.
< 1225625619 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225627788 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to get pizza
< 1225627978 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@k-21.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225628004 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: the songbird combinators come to mind
< 1225628034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sing sang sung song seng
< 1225628048 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.angelfire.com/tx4/cus/combinator/birds.html
< 1225628207 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to mock a mockingbird.
< 1225629340 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225631015 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225631111 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which combinator is the mockingbird?
< 1225631122 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realises it would be easier o look
< 1225631199 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no, it's self-application
< 1225631230 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the Why-bird?
< 1225631256 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see, I was confusing self-application with the Y combinator
< 1225631623 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1225631873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, why birds?
< 1225631887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not, hm... food?
< 1225631905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that eso lang that looks like a recipe
< 1225632238 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what do you mean "why birds"?
< 1225632246 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't express a particular preference for birds
< 1225632261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am so glad I am not seeing AnMaster's messages.
< 1225632265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1225632890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[as schiavo, or "dead while breathing".]] - mundane magic article
< 1225632894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g*
< 1225633161 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: indeed.  In terms of metaphor potential, Teri Schiavo is the new Hellen Keller.
< 1225633165 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1225633201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: in the future, "schiavo" will be an epithet meaning "useless".
< 1225633203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is my prediction.
< 1225633291 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the two women are opposites
< 1225633310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1225633311 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :partially
< 1225633527 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1225633598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches his slow download
< 1225633638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's slow.
< 1225633720 0 :CakeProphet__!n=bread@h198.40.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225633725 0 :CakeProphet__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet
< 1225633736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is veeeeeeeeeery slow.
< 1225634893 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes away.  (Connotation inference FAIL:  http://www.clusterstock.com/2008/10/forget-the-bailout-let-s-just-pray )
< 1225635726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/30oct_ftes.htm?list179029
< 1225635764 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1225635765 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1225635765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1225635765 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1225635814 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225635814 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225635814 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225635814 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!n=bob@adsl-155-100-173.btr.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225635902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1225638435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ais523
< 1225638905 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-125-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225639072 0 :asiekierk!n=asiekier@89.108.200.7 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225639226 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why i'm compiling the original Unlambda v2 interpreter.
< 1225639231 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think i'll give out the binaries
< 1225639232 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too
< 1225639369 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since compiling it is a... pain
< 1225641089 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :```cool
< 1225641233 0 :M0ny!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-93-114.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225641279 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1225641464 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Won't be back for a while..."
< 1225643557 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225643852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ehird> SimonRC: in the future, "schiavo" will be an epithet meaning "useless".
< 1225643867 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally the original italian means "slave"
< 1225643868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1225643871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225643887 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why anyone would use that as a surname is beyond me
< 1225643903 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not
< 1225643930 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rather self-deprecating
< 1225643943 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some people are :-P
< 1225643958 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe somebody else gave the name and it just stuck
< 1225644458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<asiekierk> I wonder why i'm compiling the original Unlambda v2 interpreter.
< 1225644473 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scheme one? :D
< 1225644508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think that is the original one.  there are a lot of implementations in the distribution.)
< 1225644532 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original C one may be awkward, as it requires Boehm's GC iirc
< 1225644574 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the C one is derived from the Java one
< 1225644575 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225644588 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah just be like that
< 1225644595 0 :asiekierk!n=asiekier@89.108.200.7 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225644601 0 :asiekierk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asiekierka
< 1225644605 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1225644635 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that there is at least SML and Ocaml
< 1225644672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as Haskell and INTERCAL which you may find elsewhere
< 1225644750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and there is Mandelson's fast C implementation, which unfortunately is not quite according to spec iirc
< 1225644754 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1225644756 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@89.108.200.7 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225644775 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I compiled the original C one
< 1225644790 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it broke on my heavily d-using program or something like that
< 1225644813 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: the one that requires Boehm?
< 1225644832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo
< 1225644851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afirly iterd.
< 1225644854 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, oerjan
< 1225644856 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one
< 1225644862 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i downloaded libgc with cygwin
< 1225644864 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just compiled
< 1225644897 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right on Windows too...
< 1225644907 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, on windows
< 1225644938 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reference-count version is supposedly the easiest to port iirc
< 1225644952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being completely portable C
< 1225645138 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of unlambda?
< 1225645144 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225645152 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since i also wondered whether to make Unlambdii
< 1225645156 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda for teh Wii
< 1225645189 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if you have Java easily available you might want to use that one too
< 1225645203 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on the wii
< 1225645228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that implementation iirc had the issue of not following Java's policy of only one class per file
< 1225645286 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gave me trouble enough to give up when i considered modifying it
< 1225645358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't try hard, i suppose
< 1225645641 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ...management
< 1225645656 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1225645657 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | my current approach leads to <3000 bytes in a few seconds, but i'm interested in other (possibly better) algorithms as well :)
< 1225646144 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1225646145 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I think I got input server working
< 1225646153 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okayot!
< 1225646159 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbet!
< 1225646462 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot?
< 1225646462 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: movement of elements of the syntax
< 1225646482 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Syntax can't move
< 1225646483 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: Whatever most naturally maps to the language in question, I guess.
< 1225646484 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: ITYM elements the syntax of movement
< 1225646484 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that result is reversed at the end where krishnamurthi got into a brief fnord with a normal distribtion, 95% are within 2 feet of it.
< 1225646512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow!
< 1225646525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: how observant of you
< 1225646525 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and so do quite a few others.
< 1225646534 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: eek
< 1225646535 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: err
< 1225646566 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: huh
< 1225646567 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: do you want to try it with the german langpack ^^^
< 1225646580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, never get into fnords with normal distributions.  you're not going to get out alive.
< 1225646595 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're krishnamurthi or fisher
< 1225646617 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly, gauss
< 1225646659 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :student tried and all that remained was a t
< 1225646659 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225646721 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@89.108.200.7 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225646839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the music tastes of #esoteric are./
< 1225646884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks he's already admitted to liking Abba
< 1225646924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g*
< 1225646932 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i'm old as a mountain, so i'm excused
< 1225646973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is listening to Autechre - Bine, at the moment.
< 1225646975 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225647002 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@89.108.200.7 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225647010 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like chiptunes
< 1225647033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chiptunes are pretty awesome
< 1225647041 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1225647041 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed
< 1225647052 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) Small size
< 1225647055 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) good retro tuney
< 1225647071 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) YOU DON'T NEED TO PAY TO BUY THEM, or even YOU DON'T NEED TO BUY THEM *usually*
< 1225647082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1225647085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you buy something without paying
< 1225647086 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mod archive ftw
< 1225647106 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO GIVE CASH TO STUPID COMPANIES SO THEY CAN FUND DRM i meant
< 1225647125 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Augh
< 1225647125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAPSLOCK
< 1225647137 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 month, 23 days until my xmas special's released
< 1225647139 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHIFT
< 1225647145 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i made back in OcToBeR
< 1225647150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUTTERFLY
< 1225647161 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assumes some of the copyright/patent people will be first against the wall when the revolution comes
< 1225647177 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
< 1225647179 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one can only hope
< 1225647184 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not to you
< 1225647199 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: darn
< 1225647215 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1225647275 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now where is that butterfly?
< 1225647309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that a Mac thing?  i have some vague recall there
< 1225647315 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a Windows thing
< 1225647318 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A F A I K
< 1225647320 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : A F A I K
< 1225647343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees no butterfly here
< 1225647358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vista perhaps?
< 1225647372 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer: MSN... At least back then
< 1225647382 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1225647391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1225647397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was making an xkcd reference
< 1225647397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1225647407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1225647411 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link?
< 1225647415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png
< 1225647488 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225647510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a windows thing, then
< 1225647553 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225649494 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1225650662 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i don't think i've ever seen that one!
< 1225650676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: whoa, you're alive
< 1225650690 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think we can safely say that real programmers use ed
< 1225650721 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real programmers don't need to write their code down
< 1225650775 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real programmers don't even *exist*.
< 1225650790 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shh ;-)
< 1225650808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: he was actually being litera
< 1225650809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l
< 1225650812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: means that there are no programmers
< 1225650812 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225650827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm like the okointerpreter
< 1225650833 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes many times yes
< 1225650844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit enthusiastic there
< 1225650853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tired. i'm tired all day every day is someone feeding me pills or something?
< 1225650859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am
< 1225650877 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knew you'd say that. you're such a feedr
< 1225652184 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi oklopol
< 1225652200 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it can be orgy tiem?
< 1225652201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: talk in here more often
< 1225652210 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: too stupid
< 1225652222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you or #esoteric
< 1225652226 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me
< 1225652238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: but this place is so boring.
< 1225652249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs your blend of orgy and scheme code.
< 1225652264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1225652279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: :3
< 1225652311 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i'll consider that
< 1225652331 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, tomorrow, i can koedddd, it's my coding day code all day yayayy :-)
< 1225652361 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm also gonna go buy that one book, but that's only like 600 pages
< 1225652370 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who am i kidding, i'm just gonna read all day :<
< 1225652373 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway
< 1225652376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this game
< 1225652379 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the blind
< 1225652383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the screen is black
< 1225652385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg oklopol
< 1225652387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you do the coding
< 1225652393 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you only hear the positions of objects
< 1225652400 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from teh stereo audio thingio
< 1225652403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: make a bot, and a language impl, and that 4d game thing you were making
< 1225652404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow
< 1225652405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it
< 1225652411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be just like april 08
< 1225652428 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened in april 08?
< 1225652432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm oklotalk-- ?
< 1225652434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm i dunno but it was that kind of time
< 1225652440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of botting and languaging and stuff and yeah
< 1225652447 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1225652449 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[orgy time ]sa[laPdx]dx
< 1225652452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was pretty active time for me
< 1225652460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: dc?
< 1225652462 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ja
< 1225652469 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that, courses ended, and i started getting lazier.
< 1225652485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now that they've started again, i'm hogging so many of them that i can't really get anything else done.
< 1225652505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you have a lot of catching up to do tomorrow then
< 1225652510 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't help that i want to pass all courses with a perfect grade
< 1225652518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will make the ultimate markov chain bot to beat you to it, ofc.
< 1225652540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1225652553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah markov chains in bitxtreme!
< 1225652659 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noprob news: realized i could do as follows: remove all random vars, a var's probability is just the portion of clause assignments where it's true *at the moment of being used as a probability*
< 1225652682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this basically means the "probability" of a variable is not an inherent property
< 1225652704 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can *change*, and actually reflects more what the program knows about the variable's dependencies
< 1225652770 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be considerably less pure, but i like how it's a bit like prolog's cut; the language is very clearly declarative, but it has a construct that is very clearly attached to how the language is actually implemented on an imperative machine
< 1225652822 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also had some other language idea, but i can't seem to recall it now.
< 1225652826 0 :atrapado!i=ro@cm40086.red83-165.mundo-r.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225652832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta go buy something energetic to drink
< 1225652856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading about distributed computing in java is making me sleepy for a reason or two
< 1225652876 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1225653031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's quite weird imo that everyone is making imperative languages
< 1225653089 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it much more interesting to create declarative ones
< 1225653093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and simpler.
< 1225653103 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because there aren't that many of them
< 1225653132 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i mean assuming aiming for originality)
< 1225653139 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which i'm always aiming for)
< 1225653167 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also the shop, i'm gonna go)
< 1225653169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now)
< 1225653275 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[orgy time ]sa[laPdx]dx <<< i still don't get this.
< 1225653280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone explain it while i'm gone
< 1225653281 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1225653403 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Changing server"
< 1225653413 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@iruel.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225653815 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone said it was in dc
< 1225653864 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://linux.die.net/man/1/dc
< 1225653981 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225653981 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225655401 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@j-26.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225657743 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225658192 0 :mbishop!n=martin@unaffiliated/mbishop JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225659446 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1225659459 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These banana split Oreos really aren't very good.
< 1225659614 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :says the guy who kills kittens...
< 1225659632 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, they had it comin'!
< 1225659663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT?
< 1225659663 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1225659674 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess they aren't good then.
< 1225659800 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1225660548 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-21-248.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225661294 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success
< 1225661294 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1225661953 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Abandonando"
< 1225662673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You've been helping put the Gentoo Wiki back together?
< 1225662674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet.
< 1225662681 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, man.
< 1225662742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes I used to be a very active (1000+ edits) about a year ago
< 1225662746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe 2
< 1225662747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 3
< 1225662749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1225662755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looong time editor
< 1225662821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1225662842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not much of an editor on the wiki, but I'm quite fond of it...
< 1225662861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the better sites for Linux howtos, Gentoo and otherwise.
< 1225662935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a site with the google cache rescued stuff
< 1225662937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sec for link
< 1225662944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/
< 1225662952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handy.
< 1225662962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, doesn't have all, but quite a bit
< 1225662970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for images however: way back machine
< 1225663004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh and we can't restore directly from that cache... Reason: a certain level of QA is now required
< 1225663015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for adding pages in
< 1225663081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, only some of those pages are acceptable.
< 1225663093 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, the ones that were actually good-quality.
< 1225663154 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-254-104.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225663825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes and they may need a bit of rework sometimes
< 1225663843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1225663848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rework -> editing
< 1225663855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh for Swedishism
< 1225664970 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't the sell cat food that's actually made of the food cats would get in the wild.
< 1225664992 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the roach and spider bits in rat gravy?
< 1225665069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN'T FIND CATS TO KILL WITHOUT A GOOD BAIT HUH?
< 1225665232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleepers ->
< 1225666071 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, I thought it was illegal to sell human body parts.
< 1225666081 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1225666516 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would it be illegal to sell human body parts?
< 1225666548 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225667241 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | well flipped by photons
< 1225667348 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1225667509 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1225667555 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225668656 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@d6-118.rb.gh.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225669181 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"lolwhut?"
< 1225669259 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hum... Hum..."
< 1225673338 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1225674481 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1225675332 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1225675730 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+"
< 1225676154 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225677140 0 :jayCampbell!n=jay@209.66.100.34 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225683849 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225683899 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BITCHES DONT KNOW BOUT MY MINIMALIST PROGRAM
< 1225684221 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that where you only have sex with asians HAW HAW HAW
< 1225684238 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Stereotypes rül)
< 1225684292 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh..what?
< 1225684351 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read without context :P
< 1225684819 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"zooom"
< 1225684877 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Pepper
< 1225684887 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKLOPOL DO YOU LIKE THIS
< 1225684919 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You rarely see something /flavored/ with ammonia salt:P
< 1225685215 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rarely, except in finland
< 1225685231 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where they apparently put ammonium chloride on EVERYTHING
< 1225687532 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PGP_word_list
< 1225687648 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1225687660 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a way of speaking PGP over the phone? XD
< 1225687814 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, a way of communicating binary data over noisy channels
< 1225687836 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. yes, but apparently specifically designed for PGPed stuff. :P
< 1225688117 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just interesting how they picked it
< 1225688679 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be especially handy for, say, PGP key signatures.
< 1225688749 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way!
< 1225688841 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | they are there because java wants me to be clean.
< 1225691227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: no i don't especially like that
< 1225691239 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1225691249 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again i don't like candy at al
< 1225691250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*all
< 1225691383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i especially don't like ammonium chloride on candy; i *do* like it as raw powder though.
< 1225691422 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmfao
< 1225691431 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can just see you snorting likes of salmiakki
< 1225691434 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines*
< 1225691711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did that as a kid yes
< 1225691734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i also smoked tea)
< 1225691743 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(god i was bad, sooo bad)
< 1225691778 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smoked .... tea ....
< 1225691807 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man
< 1225691810 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tea will get you fucked UP
< 1225691915 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah you don't get high from it
< 1225691928 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just tastes nice
< 1225691952 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smoked .... tea ....
< 1225692247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1225692372 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lapsang suochong!
< 1225692376 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit is so cash
< 1225692614 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@207-118-24-225.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225692623 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
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< 1225692650 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225692656 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :metazilla
< 1225692788 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can speak some mandarin. :O
< 1225692868 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :我会说一点儿中文 ：D
< 1225693121 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i agree, that is some fine ice cream
< 1225693755 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :我可以使用翻译工具
< 1225693810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why thank you, i think this dress looks pretty too.
< 1225693901 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa whoa i can barely read what i wrote there, buddy
< 1225693911 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wo ke .. .. .. .. .. gong ..
< 1225693916 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats all i know of what you wrote :p
< 1225693929 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tones randomly left out for ease of typing
< 1225693959 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ni hui shuo zhongwen ma?
< 1225693966 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is mandarin trendy now? everyone seems to know spike it
< 1225693982 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mandarin is the language of the future, havent you ever seen Firefly?
< 1225694060 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I wrote comes courtesy of Google Translate, I have no idea how someone who actually speaks the language would read it.
< 1225694088 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen firefly
< 1225694102 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i've seen *a* firefly
< 1225694113 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: What language did it speak to you?
< 1225694113 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surfthechannel.com
< 1225694114 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch firefly
< 1225694115 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its awesom
< 1225694261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an exam in 23 minutes
< 1225694269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have to study!
< 1225694280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*22
< 1225694301 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our lecturer is such a funny dude
< 1225694307 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, in one of his notes
< 1225694316 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this brilliant caption
< 1225694322 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about sockets (but not about sugar)
< 1225694337 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lolled like 5 minutes
< 1225694348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it makes any sense.
< 1225694379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best picture caption I've seen was in a mathematics journal I saw on the "new journal issues" table of our library. There was a picture of some graph, and underneath it: "Fig. 1: A fascinating picture."
< 1225694399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1225694437 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After that I've had a habit of using "A fascinating picture." as a placeholder text for image captions when writing LaTeX or such.
< 1225694447 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225694462 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i should prolly consider thinking about leaving
< 1225699199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1225699200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225700863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Sims: The Movie.
< 1225700865 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO.
< 1225703976 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1225708290 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1225708295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i'd watch that
< 1225708296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1225708513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklon
< 1225708516 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko
< 1225708525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko
< 1225708530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I like the name oklon
< 1225708543 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda cute shurr.
< 1225708551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225708556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi!
< 1225708563 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah hi ais523!
< 1225708574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi AnMaster!
< 1225708578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225708583 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and hi AnMaster!
< 1225708590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hullo oklon!
< 1225708611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spelling actually intentional)
< 1225708641 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah that i know it was)
< 1225708766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which of these pics would you say look best? http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Image:GIMP_CGI_3_channel_mix.png http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Image:GIMP_CGI_3_blend.png
< 1225708804 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the blend one, but I like them both
< 1225708816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about this one: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Image:GIMP_CGI_4.png
< 1225708845 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are these?
< 1225708846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that one but not as much as the others
< 1225708880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, images generated in a few minutes with gimp's flame plugin as examples for the article http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/GIMP_Fractal_Backgrounds
< 1225708892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of those minutes were spent by gimp calculating
< 1225708904 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are coooool
< 1225708922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks (I generated those three)
< 1225708953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Image:GIMP_CGI_3_base.png <-- the blend one before colourising it
< 1225708962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be useful to someone
< 1225708973 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...useful?
< 1225708986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you want a green version of it
< 1225709000 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a nice setting for a game
< 1225709002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I should make some fractal "which one do you like best"
< 1225709009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, eh?
< 1225709017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you mean the same as me?
< 1225709022 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i wanna play it even though it's a picture.
< 1225709057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, it takes several minutes to generate one of those
< 1225709063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimp processing
< 1225709089 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yeah for gimp, but that's just threads that wimble around
< 1225709103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1225709105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wimble?
< 1225709126 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want like a strategy game where you're like a virus that infects things, with those graphics
< 1225709158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, something like a reverse Darwinia?
< 1225709163 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric games have been stealing my interest quite a lot these days
< 1225709188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't think wimble is a real word, but I sort of know what oklon means anyway
< 1225709198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitions of wimble on the Web:
< 1225709198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    * A boring tool, such as a gimlet or auger.
< 1225709198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      www.chaddsfordhistory.org/history/glossary.htm
< 1225709203 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darwinia? isn't that just a 2d strategy game with no interesting aspects
< 1225709210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, 3D one but yeah
< 1225709212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I didn't know that meaning
< 1225709216 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d in graphics, but not movement.
< 1225709222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, true
< 1225709223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1225709236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what did oklon mean then?
< 1225709261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitions of gimlet on the Web:
< 1225709261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    * A cocktail composed of sugar syrup, lime juice, vodka (or gin) and sometimes soda water.
< 1225709262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225709262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I interpreted it as meaning wandering around in a vague and non-purposeful way
< 1225709279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that probably isn't exactly what oklon meant by it, I hope it's close
< 1225709283 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darwinia's *story* may have to do with viruses, but it's just a strategy game
< 1225709290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, ok
< 1225709297 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah it's exactly what i mean
< 1225709299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, I never played it, due to being closed source
< 1225709303 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wimbling.
< 1225709315 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: me neither, but a friend of mine did
< 1225709334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or actually, I played a demo
< 1225709340 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darwinia is a work of art
< 1225709349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of crappy IMO
< 1225709357 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-O
< 1225709358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees with oklon there
< 1225709372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, nice idea, poor implementation
< 1225709372 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what's great about it?
< 1225709389 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it just move-soldiers-around
< 1225709406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less iirc
< 1225709418 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually there may have been something about saving some neutral thingies?
< 1225709423 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I said it's a work of art; I find it captures the retro feel of cannon fodder really well
< 1225709445 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look at just the gameplay aspects it's not that special, true.
< 1225709460 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only look at gameplay aspects
< 1225709469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees with oklon there
< 1225709473 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :story and graphics are for kids and noobs
< 1225709475 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1225709482 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah :-P
< 1225709504 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need all four (+ sound) to have a complete game
< 1225709518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, really? What about nethack?
< 1225709519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sound
< 1225709520 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're going to leave something out or do it poorly it has to be balanced out
< 1225709522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :complete game
< 1225709534 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :text adventures have no graphics or sound
< 1225709543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, nethack have graphics
< 1225709544 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they make up for it with descriptions which cause your imagination to fill in the gaps
< 1225709548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII graphics
< 1225709562 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :text adventures are all about story, usually, they have their puzzles, which may work as minigames, but overall they usually suck.
< 1225709580 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :moozilla
< 1225709589 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, no point in talking to you guys :-P
< 1225709601 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and story is even less interesting than graphics, i actually *prefer* games without a story, whereas graphics i may occasionally find nice.
< 1225709610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1225709613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want story
< 1225709614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too
< 1225709616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: actually NetHack does have sound, I just don't think it's supported on any platforms which still exist
< 1225709619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, RPGs
< 1225709621 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i'm pretty sure it's always pointless to talk to me :P
< 1225709624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh!?!
< 1225709630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you play a tune on an in-game instrument on the Amiga, you get the same tune out of its speakers
< 1225709630 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: rpg's are utterly uninteresting
< 1225709635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, I disagree!
< 1225709658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon: NetHack doesn't have a story, it's all about gameplay because it doesn't really have graphics either
< 1225709664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and personally I play games for the gameplay
< 1225709672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't a text adventure, it's ASCII art graphics...
< 1225709674 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well true, i like that kind of... umm... "extracted" rpg's
< 1225709701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon: I'm writing a text adventure which is nothing but subgames, and they're all eso-programming related
< 1225709702 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it's so simplified and purified it really doesn't have anything to do with the real world anymore
< 1225709705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I haven't got very far
< 1225709756 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i do like games that are basically just stringing-together's of subgames
< 1225709792 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i occasionally like stories that are completely separate from the gameplay, for instance in world of goo i enjoyed the story
< 1225709814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a while back ehird made it into a webapp and ehird and someone else (was it AnMaster?) had a go at the 3 puzzles I've created so far
< 1225709815 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i know that game
< 1225709818 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225709836 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't do the puzzles, but i heard the spoilers, which is essentially the same! ;)
< 1225709847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you still remember the spoilers?
< 1225709854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, you may still enjoy the puzzles
< 1225709870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I submitted one as a puzzle in Agora, and got lots of interesting answers, including someone who brute-forced the best solution
< 1225709872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1225709875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of us in #esoteric found it
< 1225709882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what?
< 1225709886 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't forget things that are of eternal relevance, as puzzle solutions always are
< 1225709889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: maybe you didn't see it
< 1225709903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nethack isn't an rpg
< 1225709906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a rougelike
< 1225709915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*roguelike
< 1225709918 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually i didn't hear the solution of the staircase thing.
< 1225709924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that
< 1225709927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, link then?
< 1225709941 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i guess that was the interesting one
< 1225709956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: probably no longer online
< 1225709978 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm you had brainfuck, that step thing the name of which i can't remember, and what was the last one?
< 1225709980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, describe them then?
< 1225709993 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you could have like a piano in one room and have a fugue puzzle
< 1225710000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a Brainfuck puzzle, where you entered brainfuck puzzles
< 1225710002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*programs
< 1225710011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you had to deduce from the reaction of the things in the room what you had to write
< 1225710017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a SMETANA puzzle which is the step thing
< 1225710026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I actually made the steps of the program into a staircase
< 1225710038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could walk up and down it swapping the steps around
< 1225710053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an INTERCAL puzzle which was basically a 2D version of INTERCAL where you were the IP and could change direction at will
< 1225710060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and had to get to the other end of the program
< 1225710075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of my esoprogram puzzles have the player as a free-willed IP
< 1225710090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's effected by gotos and such, so you can't just walk to the other end of the room
< 1225710096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and COME FROMs in the case of INTERCAL)
< 1225710120 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun
< 1225710127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225710134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you got to find the link :D
< 1225710145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, I don't think it's online at the moment
< 1225710150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have the program as an offline program though
< 1225710157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can send you source which you can compile and have a go at
< 1225710164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that violates "uris are fixed" that w3c likes ;)
< 1225710168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, thanks
< 1225710174 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll pastebin it
< 1225710187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, C?
< 1225710190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225710201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would paste.eso-std.org be OK, as you have to save the file to compile it anyway?
< 1225710206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or shall I use a different one?
< 1225710214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paste.eso-std.org ok
< 1225710220 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1225710227 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muriel might make an interesting puzzle of some sort
< 1225710238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most esolangs do, that's the charm of the game
< 1225710244 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1225710283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://paste.eso-std.org/h
< 1225710289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anyone else interested fwiw
< 1225710313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is it called?
< 1225710319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esogame, so far
< 1225710323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it could do with a better name
< 1225710337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I'm going to restructure the game to some extent too, it sort-of starts in the middle atm
< 1225710349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and none of the puzzles connect, you have to quit once you solve them
< 1225710363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the INTERCAL one doesn't even react when you've solved it because I haven't created a room beyond there
< 1225710376 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1225710441 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | vhdl is reactive by the nature of this channel
< 1225710446 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i should probably check out the c++ spec for a good structure for delicious funge's spec
< 1225710460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :delicious funge?
< 1225710502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUH
< 1225710527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why the capital huh?
< 1225710527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, don't have time to figure out that game atm
< 1225710534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1225710537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, because caps lock was on
< 1225710538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's confusing about it though?
< 1225710541 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@207-118-30-103.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225710543 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1225710546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, intercal room
< 1225710547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one
< 1225710556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, probably you should try one of the others
< 1225710557 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delicious Funge is an attempt at a modern Funge variant with an infinite-dimensional fungespace on reals, (optional) strong, static typing, variables, scopes, lambdas, fully fledged OOP using message passing with single and multiple inheritance, metaclasses, generalized Funge stacks, language-level support for threads, networking and GUI, flexible debugging tools, just-in-time compiling, extendable syntax, modules, namespaces, dynami
< 1225710564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, brainfuck one too
< 1225710580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the smetana one's the easiest one to 'get' what you have to do
< 1225710584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you don't know SMETANA
< 1225710612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I dislike text adventures
< 1225710619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too hard to remember or get a pic of where you are
< 1225710626 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the c++ spec is not freeee?
< 1225710628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why they have look commands
< 1225710630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer isomeric, or at least look down
< 1225710635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, even so
< 1225710646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon: I'm pretty sure it is, I've come across free versions before, although I don't know if they're the official one or a draft
< 1225710652 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very much not free.
< 1225710655 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the drafts are free.
< 1225710658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO will definitely sell you the official one for money, that doesn't mean you can't necessarily get a free one
< 1225710659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklon> Delicious Funge is an attempt at a modern Funge variant with an infinite-dimensional fungespace on reals, (optional) strong, static typing, variables, scopes, lambdas, fully fledged OOP using message passing with single and multiple inheritance, metaclasses, generalized Funge stacks, language-level support for threads, networking and GUI, flexible debugging tools, just-in-time compiling, exten
< 1225710659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dable syntax, modules, namespaces, dynam
< 1225710660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh
< 1225710661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1225710662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1225710668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got a link to it?
< 1225710670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, and it's like C, all the versions except the official one are free, then
< 1225710678 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you just want to look at the format, see http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2005/n1905.pdf or something.
< 1225710693 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are later drafts too, probably.
< 1225710707 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's all i have sofar, i'm basically just listing features atm, and figuring out how to integrate them with funge.
< 1225710716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, ah
< 1225710724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, "dyman what"
< 1225710728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was cut off there
< 1225710748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(get a clients that splits, instead of cutting off
< 1225710754 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p513415413.txt
< 1225710757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, someone in another channel just claimed that "poke" was Finnish for "bouncer", can anyone here who knows Finnish confirm/deny?
< 1225710788 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kinda bouncer that kicks people off party doors
< 1225710796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, what about privilege levels?
< 1225710804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ring 0 and ring 3 threads
< 1225710812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, there is even an existing example
< 1225710813 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: right a whole 100 page chapter about security!
< 1225710816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me find the link
< 1225710847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, http://www.club.cc.cmu.edu/~ajo/funge/#Fungus
< 1225710851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it have security
< 1225710851 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ring 0 and ring 3 threads? err like, usermode and kernel mode and shit?
< 1225710856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, yes
< 1225710882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think you will enjoy that link too
< 1225710915 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i'll have that. too low-level for me :\
< 1225710921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, oh ok
< 1225710923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1225710926 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1225710940 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language isn't exactly designed for kernel development :P
< 1225710946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, damn :P
< 1225710946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fungus.pdf> It is hoped that this will give rise to further nightmares, possibly involving Cthulhu in a bikini teaching INTERCAL to first-year law students.
< 1225710953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, :D
< 1225710974 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess if befunge has time travel, i can't beat it no matter how many ridiculous features i add.
< 1225710978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the ring stuff is in the implementation specific stuff iirc
< 1225710991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon: not very well, it's like continuations that affect I/O
< 1225711028 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225711037 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just gonna have regular continuations.
< 1225711074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm allocating an unique block from funge space of a given size
< 1225711080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be an useful fingerprint
< 1225711081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1225711106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worrying thing about Fungus is that I might implement it in hardware as a hack at some point, for fun
< 1225711109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terribly hard to implement
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< 1225711112 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks. really any big language spec would do, i might as well take guidance from that.
< 1225711135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have access to all the stuff I need as an electronic engineering student
< 1225711145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, read http://www.club.cc.cmu.edu/~ajo/funge/fungus.html too then, the spec had some inconsistencies iirc
< 1225711149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the reprogrammable silicon chip things that would be needed to build it at the end
< 1225711152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I will
< 1225711224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> So if you just want to look at the format, see http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2005/n1905.pdf or something. <-- C89?
< 1225711231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1225711232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++
< 1225711243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C++ spec has a saner numbering scheme
< 1225711250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh how so?
< 1225711267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't understand the wisdom of ISO and ANSI publishing standards for C which are identical except in the page numbers and section numbers
< 1225711275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it very hard to reference an individual part of the standard
< 1225711286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how exactly do they differ?
< 1225711288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas C++ gives text labels to the sections as well as page numbers
< 1225711298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: section 4 in one of them is section 7 in the other, IIRC
< 1225711300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have ISO 99:TR3 one
< 1225711314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they differ in what's a section and what's a subsection
< 1225711322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225711355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WG14/N1256 Committee Draft — Septermber 7, 2007 ISO/IEC 9899:TC3
< 1225711361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the copy I have
< 1225711402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the regulars on c.l.c who cite chapter & verse a lot have a C standard section numbering conversion table somewhere
< 1225711406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I never managed to prove that
< 1225711406 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ".delicious" a good file suffix? :D
< 1225711410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon: yes
< 1225711413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe .deli
< 1225711415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab
< 1225711416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sounds good too
< 1225711421 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225711426 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deli is nice.
< 1225711435 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it means delicious if i'm not mistaken.
< 1225711449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, normally it means delicatessen
< 1225711451 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may be mistaken, but no need to correct me, because that would only complicate things.
< 1225711463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, sent that off slightly too quickly...
< 1225711469 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah sure, but i mean in the italolatispanish language
< 1225711472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1225711494 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't actually *know* that :P
< 1225711586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, I never considered the problems of endianess in multi-dimensional languages before
< 1225711605 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, yeah i guess i should use unicode
< 1225711641 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225711695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I like the idea of a register designed to be a source of zeros but is writable anyway so you can redefine 0
< 1225711705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very INTERCALlish /and/ Smalltalky
< 1225711743 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mips has a writable zero register, but the value doesn't change
< 1225711760 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1225711766 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's not exactly writable then.
< 1225711777 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, god i'm bad at sounding official.
< 1225711809 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably start writing the middle of the spec first, in a random fashion, and fix the chaos later.
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< 1225711950 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1225712503 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory allocation from the delicious fungespace is actually considerably easier than in the usual fungespace, considering it has infinite dimensions, and you can just allocate an unused dimension for that...
< 1225712537 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can't guarantee it will always be unused, but, well, it's bad practice to use dimensions without allocating them first anyway
< 1225712617 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the coordinate system is on reals, so you can just allocate (x to x+e, y to y+e) to be a square containing any amount of objects you wanna keep safe.
< 1225712703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, a fungeoid with real coordinates is one of the first things I've heard that gave me that eso feel
< 1225712711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of some new and exciting eso idea coming up
< 1225712718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with respect to that language
< 1225712726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rationals, or arbitrary reals?
< 1225712733 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary reals.
< 1225712739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you specify irrational reals?
< 1225712747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or indeed, process the results?
< 1225712755 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do that in general, there is no declarativity.
< 1225712757 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least atm
< 1225712774 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may add "find largest number in set" if you want irrationals... :P
< 1225712779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how do you set the delta to (pi, e, 0, 0....)?
< 1225712809 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi and e may exist as constants
< 1225712843 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not saying you can actually create arbitrary reals, it's just the number system must hold any number without ever losing precision.
< 1225712863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :restricting it to rationals would at least make it implementable
< 1225712871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that rather defeats the point, probably
< 1225712894 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can only make the kind of reals the stdlib lets you.
< 1225712917 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's sin/cos and friends, square root, and e
< 1225712921 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably.
< 1225712947 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just better not check equality with = if you don't want to loop infinitely.
< 1225712986 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it's not actually hard to store these numbers and do calculations, the only hard thing is equality, and if that can't be determined, ip reflects.
< 1225713092 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1225713108 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually reflection is probably not allowed.
< 1225713122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1225713127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1225713150 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't want implementations to just store everything but rationals as black holes.
< 1225713169 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a black hole is a number you can't do anything with anymore, because it's too complex to compare it with other things.
< 1225713210 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still add stuff to it, and do other operations, but those are simply swallowed, because there is no need to get anything sensible out of it anymore.
< 1225713245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my
< 1225713254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your fungoid would need symbolic numbers
< 1225713258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a bloody CAS
< 1225713275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if e square root and so on should be exact
< 1225713281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon: couldn't you approximate it to n decimal places?
< 1225713284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of, say, long double
< 1225713289 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you can restrict the fungespace if you wish, because, well, there will be static typing anyway, so naturally there will be optimized 2^n type of numbers.
< 1225713293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works even if you don't know the exact value
< 1225713308 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah that's good
< 1225713316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, I think reflection should be replaced with interrupts
< 1225713320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1225713322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, you have to allow that for arbitrarily large n
< 1225713325 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pure rationals MUST BE compared exactly, and rules like that
< 1225713326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it misses the point
< 1225713326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception tables
< 1225713334 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah.
< 1225713355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, what will be file format be?
< 1225713358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be plain ascii
< 1225713368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you allow non-integer coordinates
< 1225713378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X,Y,value\n
< 1225713379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe?
< 1225713393 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking unicode, 2d, and you can tell it where to start and which direction to put the plane in
< 1225713407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh a scaling factor too?
< 1225713430 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSITION_VECTOR PLANE_DIRECTION_VECTOR\n<2d program written in unicode>
< 1225713436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that although Shove's a 2D language, practical programs tended to be 1D
< 1225713444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and generate the 2Dness at runtime
< 1225713446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, what unicode encoding?
< 1225713454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of writing a 2D program, you wrote a 1D program that generated it
< 1225713466 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't know anything about unicode, so i do not know yet.
< 1225713471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, UTF-8
< 1225713473 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh :D
< 1225713483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon: UTF-8's easiest, lots of things use it nowadays
< 1225713499 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that one
< 1225713515 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah standard is good here.
< 1225713523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm standard..
< 1225713529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use XML then ;P
< 1225713532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no don't
< 1225713544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: even suggesting an XML fungeoid is grounds to be shot, I suspect
< 1225713554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1225713569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION so hopes that optbot puts that line in the topic at some random point in the future
< 1225713569 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we first need a notation
< 1225713570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, anyway if input is 2D UTF-8, how would you put stuff at real coordinates?
< 1225713583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: yes, that's what we're dicussing now
< 1225713583 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.noah.org/science/audio_paradox/endless.mp3
< 1225713601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and mathml to express coordinates :P
< 1225713610 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm, you can probably just put the program at fixnum-represented coordinated
< 1225713615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'm starting to like this, insane as it is
< 1225713616 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe any rationals
< 1225713624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, mine or oklon
< 1225713625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1225713629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon's*
< 1225713652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referring to yours, I said I liked oklon's already
< 1225713655 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so something like 5 2 6 # 4 2/3 1/898
< 1225713656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225713659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I like oklon's idea
< 1225713659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are good ideas
< 1225713669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yours is awfully bad but should be done anyway
< 1225713672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, how would you do GC stuff?
< 1225713673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1225713675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ref counting?
< 1225713683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sweep-mark?
< 1225713691 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starts at [5, 2, 6, 0, 0...], and the scale would be [4, 2/3, 1/898, 1, 1, ...]
< 1225713695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then how the heck to find out of something is referenced?
< 1225713703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I won't do that idea I had
< 1225713710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would ask w3c to do it
< 1225713713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1225713725 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, maybe 5 2 6 # 7 would be [5, 2, 6] and scale [7, 7, 7, 7, ...] :D
< 1225713737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, heh
< 1225713737 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are exceptions good? :P
< 1225713748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, translation matrixes for funge-space
< 1225713751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like opengl ones
< 1225713775 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, have one number in the scaler, and everything will be scaled by it, have multiple numbers, and they will be used as a scaling *vector*
< 1225713794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1225713795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1225713799 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 7 = 7, 7, 7..., and 7, 7 = 7, 7, 1, 1...
< 1225713823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got another horrible idea
< 1225713830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can be done with existing trefunge
< 1225713831 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do stuff like 7, 1, 7, 7, 7..., but i think that's okay, because then you'd start wanting to do all kinds of cycles and shit...
< 1225713836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want to hear?
< 1225713841 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure sure.
< 1225713856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a program that runs and works, but also looks like that standard OpenGL 3D teapot
< 1225713858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1225713868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the shape
< 1225713882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, poke ^
< 1225713901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ais523 timed out
< 1225713904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ping reply
< 1225713922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, still what do you think?
< 1225713941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah I like your idea oklon
< 1225713942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1225714164 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's a nice idea
< 1225714165 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1225714179 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you start doing things with shape, i'd prefer something less discrete than befunge
< 1225714191 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like.... gradients
< 1225714496 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exact comparisons between reals need not have any guarantees of succeeding if the numbers are equal, but comparison must be complete if the numbers are different. <<< does this sound right?
< 1225714608 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, well clearly it can just try one more digit of precision at a time, until it finds proof that they are different.
< 1225714680 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...
< 1225714697 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if i should allow twisting the cube... :o
< 1225714722 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no one is actually going to use these features, so i guess it doesn't matter :P
< 1225714730 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i mean, even if they used delicious funge itself)
< 1225714825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not timed out, I just had to leave in a hurry
< 1225714827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back now, anyway
< 1225714922 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll just store real numbers in the fungespace, and add explicit serialization procedures for putting objects in cells
< 1225714936 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you usually use the real as a pointer
< 1225714977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225714985 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe a cell should hold real/pointer.
< 1225714986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, what about tuples?
< 1225714990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other non-integers
< 1225714998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for storing in cells I mean
< 1225715009 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just store non-integers in the cells
< 1225715013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225715014 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without serializing
< 1225715021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon: just use an explicit serialisation from an infinite number of reals into one real
< 1225715022 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which i actually call atomizing btw)
< 1225715026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, statically and strongly typed?
< 1225715027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such serialisations exist
< 1225715039 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atomizing is a better term for it imo, because you're encoding it in a number.
< 1225715042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so type tagged values?
< 1225715044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1225715056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, oh another thing: something like mprotect()
< 1225715062 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah that's something i want to have, in some form.
< 1225715069 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know mprotect()
< 1225715081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, can execute/can write/can read
< 1225715086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as flags on a memory block
< 1225715109 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah type tagged values, objects are usually stored as small blocks of code where you have an ip that handles requests given to the object.
< 1225715133 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how functions and objects are generally done
< 1225715168 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :static typing is basically only an issue when you're jitting the code.
< 1225715175 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not sure how that's gonna work :D
< 1225715185 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i must have it!
< 1225715213 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well i just need to encode a *finite* amount of reals into a real.
< 1225715232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon: isn't it good to be able to encode an infinite-dimensional location in space into one number?
< 1225715246 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, alternating the digits before and after the decimal point is one way to encode two reals into one
< 1225715252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL mingle ftw
< 1225715259 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was thinking you'd never actually use infinite dimensions, but just a finite amount at a time.
< 1225715266 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest would be zeroes
< 1225715280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1225715295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do mingling, mingling on reals is insane, impressive, and maps R^2 to R
< 1225715314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, that's the solution a mathematician who'd never heard of INTERCAL suggested too when the discussion came up a few years ago
< 1225715352 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see the encoding as an issue really, especially as i can just have the imaginary mathematical operation merge(objecta, objectb), which *returns a real number that, when unmerged with 1, returns objecta, and when unmerged with 2, returns objectb*.
< 1225715363 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the reals aren't exactly infinite sequences
< 1225715379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1225715381 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the general case they are mathematical expressions that evaluate to a number if needed.
< 1225715394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... mingling two rationals always gives a rational answer
< 1225715399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how easy that would be to implement?
< 1225715400 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225715404 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1225715405 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1225715440 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see the binary case
< 1225715444 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have two numbers, a and b
< 1225715448 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we wanna mingle them
< 1225715471 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what operation is "add zeros to a as every second digit" exactly
< 1225715474 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do :|
< 1225715477 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the gist really
< 1225715545 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. the calculator in vista can't handle binary floating point xD
< 1225715554 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god this world sucks
< 1225715559 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION opens python
< 1225715729 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asd, god i'm getting
< 1225715739 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tired at making a base converter every day.
< 1225715746 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should reeeeally consider storing one somewhere
< 1225715770 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really it's quite a wtf languages rarely have that
< 1225715793 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, occasionally, i want to kill all humans because of it.
< 1225715824 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo
< 1225715831 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, my python won't open.
< 1225715846 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cuts wrists.
< 1225715872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon: i like yer new name
< 1225716018 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: thanks. now can you point me to a calculator that is not retarded?
< 1225716025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon: python
< 1225716058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:23:26 <oklon> is ".delicious" a good file suffix? :D
< 1225716058 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what module do i import for binary floating point?
< 1225716062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.Delicious Funge
< 1225716063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it
< 1225716064 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1225716067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon: dunno :D
< 1225716070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the .deli
< 1225716071 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was actually thinking that
< 1225716106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon: or
< 1225716110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, a Delicious Funge program
< 1225716111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1225716117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello world, a Delicious Funge program
< 1225716158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no spaces in the extension please
< 1225716167 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it, just to annoy AnMaster
< 1225716177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that it is fine
< 1225716177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, CLC-INTERCAL crashed Debian mandb
< 1225716182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh
< 1225716183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by having spaces in the executable's filename
< 1225716194 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody broken software
< 1225716198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree
< 1225716210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, spaces is still irritating on command line
< 1225716214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are*
< 1225716472 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: lol that's awesome xD
< 1225716546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i would do anything just to annoy anmaster
< 1225716553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo,\ ick
< 1225716554 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I know
< 1225716555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple enough
< 1225716564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely the comma didn't seem to cause problems
< 1225716579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well it wouldn't, doesn't have any special meaning
< 1225716596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even DOS handled it fine
< 1225716598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in there
< 1225716618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in {foo,bar} you would need to escape it for example though
< 1225716646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that expands to foo bar, not very useful until you combine it: my_{foo,bar} -> my_foo my_bar
< 1225716659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1225716660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225716664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful for filenames
< 1225716669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1225716698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or generating permutations
< 1225716718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming you can duplicate items, so not really no)
< 1225716843 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't 0.abcd...abcd...(abcd...), where abcd... is the repeating n-digit sequence the number abcd.../z{n}, where z is the largest digit and {n} means n z's?
< 1225716854 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 0.11011101(1101) would be 1101/1111
< 1225716857 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon: yes
< 1225716858 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in binary
< 1225716868 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. well i think it's pretty simple to get from that
< 1225716923 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1101/1111 `mingle` 110000101/111111111 = 01010001/11111111 + 101000000000100010/111111111111111111
< 1225716928 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1225716933 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i think
< 1225716947 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you just add the zeros to the cycled thingie
< 1225716948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes
< 1225716952 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in one you add them on the left
< 1225716956 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the other, on the right
< 1225716957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about terminating "decimals"?
< 1225716971 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err terminating decimals?
< 1225716976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 0.51
< 1225716978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1225716980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or mixes
< 1225716984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 0.71828182818281828
< 1225716988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are rational too
< 1225716989 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's 0.51(0)
< 1225716993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225717003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably isn't too much of a change to handle those too
< 1225717005 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's trivial to do the finite part
< 1225717009 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hmm
< 1225717063 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how those break down into a more mathy expression
< 1225717100 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just have a separate integer part, and multiply the finite decimals there
< 1225717115 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you'd have to store the offsets then
< 1225717117 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh.
< 1225717327 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about that game without graphics, realized it might feel like kind of a waste for the programmer, as it will need a raytracer of some sort anyway, because the sounds must be handled exactly
< 1225717349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have graphics too, just don't show them by default
< 1225717357 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah i was thinking about that
< 1225717367 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's... well you know, it's a bit lame
< 1225717389 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it was such hard work making this game i included the graphics so you can see how well the raytracer works"
< 1225717402 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"even though you're not supposed to actually use them"
< 1225717411 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess they would be helpful when learning the game
< 1225717455 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really crude graphics where you basically just see the different sounds as different colors.
< 1225717515 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is i'm not exactly sure what the goal would be, and what the game would be about. i just have ideas about more specific stuff.
< 1225717528 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, targeting something could be about tuning the weapon.
< 1225717551 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the two notes telling you whether your aim is right have to be at an interval of exactly one octave
< 1225717552 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something.
< 1225717627 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different objects would have different sounds, you would hear their distance from the loudness, naturally, some kinda muffing filter for detecting whether the object is above you or behind you or in front of you
< 1225717666 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you'd learn to associate the effects with height
< 1225717680 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pan and volume would just work as in the real world ofc
< 1225717729 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe something like a reeeeeally exaggerated doppler effect for determining what way the objects are heading
< 1225717844 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird perception and weird controls are really what i consider the perfect basis for a game, the problem is i just have weird perception here, and by itself it doesn't really make a good game
< 1225717905 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably would be hard enough just to find some object in the level, and avoid bad guys.
< 1225718222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, how would ppl with simple stereo speakers play it?
< 1225718233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like you would need surround
< 1225718264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION only got a headset
< 1225718509 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stereo
< 1225718540 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with surround you wouldn't need anything special for determining the exact relative position of an object
< 1225718581 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i want to keep that in effects, if the brain adapts to it, i don't know much about brains, but i think it might work.
< 1225718652 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i doubt anyone would play it anyway. that's not really one of my design goals
< 1225718669 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have you tried any of my games?
< 1225718710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, oklon is talking to a balack hole
< 1225718711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*black
< 1225718731 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: actually i was monologuing most of that time
< 1225718740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently it was AnMaster i assume
< 1225718748 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, he said a few sentences in the middle
< 1225718786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm interesting
< 1225718875 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm planning this control system for a racing game using two joysticks; the racer would not limit your speed at all.
< 1225718891 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be just about your own reaction time
< 1225718937 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the acceleration would be finite, but you would get so much acceleration you would never be able to use it unless in space.
< 1225719047 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i was thinking you could crash the vehicle by just accelerating fast enough.
< 1225719054 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be pretty fun.
< 1225719881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, you would die if you accelerate with more than 10 G or so, even with a G pressure suite, and you would become unconscious long before that.
< 1225719911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's remote-control
< 1225719962 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes remote control
< 1225719971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1225719972 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | yes
< 1225719975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1225719976 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | nope
< 1225719981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indecisive....
< 1225719983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indecisive....
< 1225719984 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't exactly care about realism.
< 1225719984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1225719986 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | binary transfer is faster and safer than analog
< 1225720011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe optbot commands should all be punctuation marks
< 1225720012 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wrapping unsigned numbers happen automatically
< 1225720016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with "optbot" as the sigil
< 1225720016 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: double(each integer)
< 1225720026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot? optbot! optbot...
< 1225720027 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pikhq, go!
< 1225720051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, the first and third of those were AnMaster, I reckon
< 1225720066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1225720074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first because that's a grammar mistake AnMaster used to make, and because it's the kind of thing he says
< 1225720079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "yes" and "nope"  could both be mine
< 1225720081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the third
< 1225720085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember saying that
< 1225720086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the last because AnMaster's the only person in here whose client uses a comma to specify nicks
< 1225720088 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I remember
< 1225720102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people use colons, and optbot strips those nick prefixes out
< 1225720103 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so cool
< 1225720109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err xchat default is ,
< 1225720111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just FYI
< 1225720118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of things have default ,
< 1225720120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most people change it
< 1225720123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I liked it and made my other clients have it too
< 1225720125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my experience
< 1225720126 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wrapping unsigned numbers happen automatically" is not an error.
< 1225720131 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a weird sentence.
< 1225720134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it be "happens"?
< 1225720140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait
< 1225720157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrapping = adjective in your interpretation, and the sentence means something entirely different
< 1225720161 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1225720170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1225720208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"forest planting genetically modified squirrels" is a good example of that sort of thing
< 1225720235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sounds like a headline and a garden path sentence?
< 1225720242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a headline
< 1225720246 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't intended to be silly, I don't think
< 1225720248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what did it mean?
< 1225720253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the obvious interpretation isn't the one they meant
< 1225720264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read it as (forest planting) (genetically modified) squirrels
< 1225720268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it makes a lot more sense
< 1225720275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a forest that is planting genetically...
< 1225720276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1225720285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no that doesn't make sense either
< 1225720294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason, though, people tend to read it as forest (planting ((genetically modified) squirrels))
< 1225720295 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it doesn't?
< 1225720297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean squirrels trained to plant forests?!
< 1225720298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1225720302 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nope
< 1225720306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means that planting in a forest
< 1225720312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :caused squirrels to have their genes modified
< 1225720328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1225720342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, how? I mean apart from normal mutations
< 1225720346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I prefer the interpretation in which forests were busy planting GM squirrels
< 1225720353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the headline's a load of bunk anyway
< 1225720356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just nicely ambiguous
< 1225720370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or GM squirrels planting forests
< 1225720372 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko
< 1225720375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225720382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how do you get that one
< 1225720386 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1225720391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be forest planting by genetically modified squirrels, surely?
< 1225720392 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't see the third one immediately :\
< 1225720398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a way to do it without extra words
< 1225720401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, forest-planting squirrels
< 1225720403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, forest-planting GM squirrels
< 1225720406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225720407 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-177-199.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225720410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, forest-planting  genetically modified squirrels
< 1225720413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all one noun-phrase, rather than a sentence
< 1225720414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, forest planting genetically modified squirrels
< 1225720417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes
< 1225720455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that was the second variant I saw
< 1225720462 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's a fourth one i'm not seeing, i'm gonna hit myself.
< 1225720467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first was the forest one doing it
< 1225720477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't see a 4th variant either
< 1225720484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither can I
< 1225720488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if there is one we all missed it
< 1225720498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait yes...
< 1225720514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forest, Ltd. planting GM squirrels
< 1225720515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1225720516 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, (forest planting genetically) modified squirrels
< 1225720525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Forest is a company that is
< 1225720526 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: names aren't allowed.
< 1225720530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, oh ok
< 1225720530 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mine is a fourth.
< 1225720537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, how?
< 1225720548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't parse it that way
< 1225720558 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the act of planting forests genetically has modified squirrels
< 1225720563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225720571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you plant genetically?
< 1225720577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't make any sense
< 1225720590 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and how do forests plant stuff
< 1225720597 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really pointless to ask.
< 1225720605 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is about syntax
< 1225720630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1225720645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon: ah, yes, I missed that one
< 1225720648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklon, oh and forests, never read Tolkin?
< 1225720659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ents or whatever they were called would plant of course ;P
< 1225720664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it would be written better as forest planting, genetically, modified squirrels
< 1225720669 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :planting forests genetically would probably be something like taking tree genes and putting them in the squirrels, kinda genetically implanting them in them?
< 1225720675 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole sentence makes sense that way,.
< 1225720680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the sentence with commas is ambiguous though
< 1225720688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1225720696 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's trivial to invent a meaning to anything.
< 1225720775 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err and by that i mean, all grammatically correct sentences are easy to find a model in which they are true for
< 1225720780 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was a complicated sentence
< 1225720796 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems it's read o'clock.
< 1225720840 0 :oklon!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1225720841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1225722345 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-254-104.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225723431 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You plant tree genes in a bunch of field mice, then one day they all freak the HELL out until *BANG* they pop and giant effing redwoods grow up out of them.
< 1225723458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1225723469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but field mice != squirrels
< 1225723486 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I've never heard of field squirrels :P
< 1225723499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1225723509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen flourescent light squirrels
< 1225723518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they got into the ceiling of the library at my old school
< 1225723527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used to make lots of noise running around inside the ceiling
< 1225723539 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've EATEN flourescent light squirrels.
< 1225723544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would sunbathe under the lights from time to time, projecting a squirrel-shaped shadow onto the floor
< 1225723545 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boy were those scientists PISSSSSED
< 1225723562 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah
< 1225724349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1225724357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're all bots.
< 1225724392 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1225724480 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1225724609 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225724843 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-254-104.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225725001 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1225725002 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1225725002 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1225725003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1225725092 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-177-199.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225725092 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225725092 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225725092 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!n=bob@adsl-155-100-173.btr.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225725146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Broken pipe
< 1225725163 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225725281 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225726072 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225726394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> also, I like the name oklon
< 1225726411 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not cute.  it smells of evil overlord.
< 1225726423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean I can't like it
< 1225726429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, maybe i've read too much Mandrake
< 1225726468 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1225726468 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1225726469 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1225726491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'd make a great overlord
< 1225726502 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-080-228-177-199.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225726502 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225726502 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!n=bob@adsl-155-100-173.btr.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225726516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol:
< 1225726520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is today your coding day, no>?
< 1225726523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CODE A MARKOV CHAIN BOT
< 1225726680 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turned out this is mostly a reading day :<
< 1225726704 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225726830 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklopol> you're all bots.
< 1225726834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a bot.
< 1225726842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be simulated by one, though
< 1225726951 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i don't think i should read more of Eliezer Yudkowski's writings
< 1225726964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*y
< 1225727089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why not?
< 1225727109 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it makes you paranoid, that's why
< 1225727120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true true.
< 1225727233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also the tendency to stay awake long past bedtime, but that's not unique to him :/
< 1225727295 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see also: Tv Tropes)
< 1225727325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or better, don't)
< 1225728340 0 :M0ny!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-93-114.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225728405 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1225728411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pl0p
< 1225728424 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pløp
< 1225728438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plooop
< 1225728444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> why plop? why not hi?
< 1225728452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just in case he didn't already)
< 1225728476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did.
< 1225728522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1225728522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl
< 1225728592 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i lied a bit, but apart from that, he surely did.
< 1225728616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225728695 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha to leaf ->
< 1225731015 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1225731800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :␠
< 1225731857 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KC
< 1225732041 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | you mean can there be implicit conversions?
< 1225732110 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but not to islam
< 1225732127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to be very explicit then
< 1225732157 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastafarianism otoh...
< 1225732165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is best kept implicit
< 1225732257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠
< 1225732293 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an implicit SP (ISP) or an explicit one (ESP)?
< 1225732380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠␠
< 1225732384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an <SP>
< 1225732409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225732433 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a coverup
< 1225733170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why did you paste a character which is an abbreviation for SP?
< 1225733182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not
< 1225733186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an unassigned character thing
< 1225733195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1225733203 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a minute...
< 1225733239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn irssi automatic transcription of unicode
< 1225733477 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why are all the nomic people here
< 1225733487 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was highly confusing for a minute
< 1225733492 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi guys
< 1225733502 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BWAHAHAHA
< 1225733502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi jayCampbell
< 1225733513 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- j@b.nomic
< 1225733515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I was surprised to see yet another nomicer turn up in #esoteric
< 1225733520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be a lot of overlap...
< 1225733524 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes perfect sense, really
< 1225733547 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is the Ghost of Nomics Past
< 1225733661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, what brings you here?
< 1225733863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I must remember to bring thutubot back here
< 1225733871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after comex killed it with a forkbomb a while back
< 1225733878 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a language hacker
< 1225733888 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, that's me: http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=139703
< 1225733909 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did the logo for COW
< 1225733924 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking about a smalltalk implementation of Taxi
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< 1225733935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb thutubot!
< 1225733971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (|)(~(-)~*S~:^):^
< 1225733972 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-| ...: out of stack!
< 1225733978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (|)(~(-)~*:S~:^):^
< 1225733979 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-|--|---|----|-----|------|-------|--------|---------|----------|-----------|------------|-------------|--------------|---------------| ...too much output!
< 1225734032 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can't seem to let go of the idea of a natural language for nomic
< 1225734048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey jayCampbell !!
< 1225734058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, a programming language suited to nomic, or as in Lojban?
< 1225734072 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming language
< 1225734082 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a foo is a bar, a bar may squeak
< 1225734094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: feather!
< 1225734095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, a natural-looking programming language
< 1225734097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1225734120 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's discouraging when you eventually discover it's not the language that's the hold-up
< 1225734122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: please don't randomly throw out Feather references to people who haven't seen it before, it took several weeks to explain the first time
< 1225734129 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the best nomic'ers are completely logical
< 1225734139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just retroactively make everyone born with knowledge of it
< 1225734140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not particularly in the mood for trying again atm
< 1225734260 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is feather?
< 1225734283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: a programming language which doesn't exist yet, and takes far too long to explain
< 1225734288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, sounds like http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/ORK
< 1225734299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however I think the theory is sound, just it's a pain to work out the details
< 1225734414 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what parser toolkit are you looking at using?
< 1225734431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what, Feather?
< 1225734438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is it's completely self-referential
< 1225734449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the parser, and indeed the entire interp, needs to be written from scratch in Feather
< 1225734466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also an identical version needs to be written in a different lang, or it'll be impossible to get the thing to run in the first place
< 1225734495 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squeak did it
< 1225734641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's not the main problem
< 1225734651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem is keeping track of what's what when you change things retroactively
< 1225734659 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-described is lofty
< 1225734669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is about the only meaningful operation in Feather, and also the one that causes all the headaches
< 1225734706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Feather codenomic would be entirely platonic, and you could retroactively change what the rules were in the past and have everything reinterpreted under those rules
< 1225734743 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by replaying the actions through?
< 1225734757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much
< 1225734766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem is that this is how Feather handles /everything/
< 1225734769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't assign to variables
< 1225734774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you change the value they had when they were created
< 1225734782 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell-ish
< 1225734786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: not really
< 1225734806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feather defies comparison to anything, really
< 1225734821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its syntax is designed to look very like Smalltalk, but behave much the same way for entirely different reasons
< 1225734830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I keep changing my mind about how to do that
< 1225734853 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i figured out how to infinitely scale squeak on amazon ec2 cloud woot
< 1225734884 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other approaches to the problem
< 1225734908 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "problem" being creating a code-based nomic, not feather's implementation
< 1225734926 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :players could vote on inclusions to an ORK story, f'rinstance
< 1225734950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you're aware of PerlNomic presumably
< 1225734967 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atnomic ecmanomic niomic
< 1225734969 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yadda
< 1225734980 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-described isn't all it's cracked up to be :P
< 1225734989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever seen Hunter?
< 1225734998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's perfectly self-describing, yet basically impossible to use
< 1225735007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I've associated the right name with the right lang, I don't discuss that one a lot
< 1225735012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe it was called Sorted!
< 1225735028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION creates some links to check: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Hunter http://esolangs.org/wiki/Sorted
< 1225735064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither...
< 1225735082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, Sorted! has an exclamation mark on the wiki too
< 1225735101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p-nand-q.com/humor/programming_languages/sorted.html
< 1225735108 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly 14 statements?
< 1225735114 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this work? D:
< 1225735118 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was there last night
< 1225735142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: the statements can be arbitrary length, so yes
< 1225735151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, they're always a /particular/ 14 statements
< 1225735154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just with different args
< 1225735157 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so 14 top-level statements
< 1225735173 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 14 statements in total, including all recursive application of rules
< 1225735200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorted! is a bit like BASIC with line numbers, but you sort by command type not by line number when writing the program
< 1225735216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all the PRINTs are at the top, then all the GOTOs, then all the assignments, then all the additions, and so on
< 1225735242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1225735243 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1225735247 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds hard to program in!
< 1225735263 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta the point
< 1225735297 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only because keeping track of things would be hard
< 1225735302 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not because the model of computation is hard
< 1225735302 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1225735356 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bigzaphod.org/whirl/
< 1225735364 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that* is hard to program in
< 1225735378 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whirl is just annoying.
< 1225735380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J: what sort of langs have you seen before?
< 1225735394 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything mentioned here so far
< 1225735413 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've avoided lisp and its variants, and anything microsoft
< 1225735423 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp is awesome! :|
< 1225735429 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so is forth
< 1225735430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about some of mine: Underload, Thutu, BackFlip?
< 1225735437 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i still dont understand forths branches
< 1225735439 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smalltalk is my current favorite but is losing out to ruby for usability
< 1225735470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented Feather originally because Smalltalk wasn't Smalltalky enough IMO, but it ended up as something moderately different
< 1225735506 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais show me feather again
< 1225735511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how?
< 1225735520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as if there's a spec or anything to show
< 1225735527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a lot of confused notes which contradict each other
< 1225735528 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :examples
< 1225735530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and me having the latest ideas
< 1225735537 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, these are yours
< 1225735541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the syntax changes every 5 minutes while I'm thinking about it
< 1225735547 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to meet you
< 1225735576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1225735577 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I think it might be interesting to write a license which was in fact an esoprogram
< 1225735597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also maintain C-INTERCAL
< 1225735601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I didn't invent INTERCAL, obviously
< 1225735674 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was cool to see all the Piet canvasses folks have come up with
< 1225735678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: while you're plugging yourself, might as well mention the wolfram prize too. :-P
< 1225735691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? people mention it far too often, it wouldn't do with me joining in too
< 1225735731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: perhaps you could mention how your beard is turing complete? (Note: Injoke not expected to be gotten by anyone in here as the other party to it is not in here.)
< 1225735742 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais how did you proof go again?
< 1225735752 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it required like.. infinite steps right?
< 1225735755 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something?
< 1225735760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, the proof had a finite number of steps
< 1225735761 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha!
< 1225735766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program it generated was infinitely long
< 1225735769 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok right
< 1225735772 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats what it was
< 1225735775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, that vaughan pratt person
< 1225735776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not a problem as Turing machines run out of tape if you give them a finitely long tape
< 1225735779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was he right about your proof? :-P
< 1225735792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: his original argument was based on a misconception, he misread my proof
< 1225735796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225735798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other points came up later
< 1225735803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :were they right?
< 1225735817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they weren't based on maths, we basically got into an argument about what particular words meant
< 1225735826 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais, would the TM finish in finite time???
< 1225735832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it can't halt
< 1225735834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it ran a non-terminating program, yes
< 1225735838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*terminating program
< 1225735843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can do something halt-like
< 1225735845 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what was the proof for again?
< 1225735855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a TC proof for a very simple lang
< 1225735871 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why then did you require an infinitely long program?
< 1225735900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what a Turing machine is?
< 1225735906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to put something on the tape to start with
< 1225735915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to specify every cell on the tape
< 1225735929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one argument that developed was about what exactly you were allowed to fill the tape with
< 1225735932 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but i dont see how that relates to proving something about the language
< 1225735972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the argument is whether my proof was a proof or not
< 1225735985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, whether I'd proved the right thing
< 1225735995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the end they decided that the thing I was trying to prove was ambiguous in the first place
< 1225736008 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what im saying tho is i dont see how the requirement of an infinitely large program could be relevant to a proof
< 1225736022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it had shades of grey rather than being black and white
< 1225736022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it became an argument about semantics not maths, as to where to draw the boundary
< 1225736042 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well whatever.
< 1225736048 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should come up with our own competition
< 1225736049 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!
< 1225736068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Mon Nov 3 2008] [18:12:51] <ais523> the argument is whether my proof was a proof or not
< 1225736069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Mon Nov 3 2008] [18:13:05] <ais523> as in, whether I'd proved the right thing
< 1225736070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Mon Nov 3 2008] [18:13:14] <ais523> in the end they decided that the thing I was trying to prove was ambiguous in the first place
< 1225736073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Mon Nov 3 2008] [18:13:28] <ais523> as it had shades of grey rather than being black and white
< 1225736074 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you ais
< 1225736076 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that
< 1225736077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Mon Nov 3 2008] [18:13:40] <ais523> so it became an argument about semantics not maths, as to where to draw the boundary
< 1225736094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I didn't know
< 1225736100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my connection dropped and I'm not sure how much I managed to send first
< 1225736102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never am
< 1225736103 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1225736111 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounded like you were being smarmy ;P
< 1225736134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :between me and ehird, quoting yourself basically means "my connection dropped"
< 1225736149 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway
< 1225736154 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets come up with our own competition
< 1225736173 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say the competition should be a "figure out how the esolang works" competition
< 1225736187 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-62-6.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225736194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean, post a source written in an esolang, without a reference interp or a spec
< 1225736201 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1225736202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other people have to guess what the spec is?
< 1225736204 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some example source code
< 1225736210 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an interpreter
< 1225736225 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter has to be a black box tho
< 1225736235 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't be a court enforceable license
< 1225736300 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1225736308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1225736309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1225736311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the topic, presumably
< 1225736321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225736324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just optbot
< 1225736324 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: if you have a global int foo
< 1225736360 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225736389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please do not copy this code without permission, or [if permitted by Mr. Smith, or a guardian he designates] copy it without attribution
< 1225736540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it takes me 0 seconds to ping myself, but 2 seconds to receive the reply?
< 1225736566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (o )(~:S(ok)~*~:^):^
< 1225736567 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o oko okoko okokoko okokokoko okokokokoko okokokokokoko okokokokokokoko okokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko  ...too much output!
< 1225736583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo okokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko
< 1225736583 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko kokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokoko kokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokoko kokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokoko koko ...
< 1225736587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo okokokokokokokokokokokoko
< 1225736587 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokoko kokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokoko kokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokoko kokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokoko kokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokoko kokokokok ...
< 1225736591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo okokokokokokokokokoko
< 1225736591 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko kokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokoko kokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokoko kokokokokokokoko okokokokokokoko kokokokokokoko okokokokokoko kokokokokoko okokokokoko kokokokoko okokokoko ...
< 1225736595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo okokokokokokoko
< 1225736595 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko kokokokokokoko okokokokokoko kokokokokoko okokokokoko kokokokoko okokokoko kokokoko okokoko kokoko okoko koko oko ko o
< 1225736604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should do it two chars at a time really
< 1225736606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show choo
< 1225736606 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]+32[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>]
< 1225736615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> Please do not copy this code without permission, or [if permitted by Mr. Smith, or a guardian he designates] copy it without attribution
< 1225736615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1225736623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's a license which is in fact an esoprogram
< 1225736630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh
< 1225736631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck
< 1225736633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1225736660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't see why it wouldn't be legally binding
< 1225736681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, hiding substantial BF programs in messages is much harder than with cat
< 1225736758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def choko bf >,[>,]++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[<]>[-]>[[.>]<[<]>>[-]>]
< 1225736758 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1225736761 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so cmon guys
< 1225736767 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about we start a contest :o
< 1225736767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choko okokokokokokokokokokokoko
< 1225736767 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kokokokokokokokokokokoko kokokokokokokokokokoko kokokokokokokokokoko kokokokokokokokoko kokokokokokokoko kokokokokokoko kokokokokoko kokokokoko kokokoko kokoko koko ko
< 1225736771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1225736771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: no
< 1225736772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost
< 1225736778 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1225736779 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1225736782 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol!
< 1225736783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def choko bf >,[>,]++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[<]>[[.>]<[<]>>[-]>]
< 1225736783 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1225736784 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1225736786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choko okokokokokokokokokokokoko
< 1225736786 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokoko okokokokokokoko okokokokokoko okokokokoko okokokoko okokoko okoko oko o
< 1225736791 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna start a competition? :D
< 1225736796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (o )(~:S(ok)~*~:^):^
< 1225736796 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o oko okoko okokoko okokokoko okokokokoko okokokokokoko okokokokokokoko okokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko  ...too much output!
< 1225736803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choko okokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko
< 1225736804 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokoko okokoko ...
< 1225736813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choko okokokokokokokokokokokokokoko
< 1225736813 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokoko okokokokokokoko okokokokokoko okokokoko ...
< 1225736819 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :samnit, ais, stop this nonsense
< 1225736820 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!
< 1225736822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1225736833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is probably enjoying it though
< 1225736834 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok continue
< 1225736870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ()(~:()~()~(((a(:^)*a(!!!!!!!!!^)~*^):^))~^a(((*)~a*^(((((1)S!^)((1)S!!^))~^)(!(((2)S!^)((2)S!!^))~^)(!!(((3)S!^)((3)S!!^))~^)(!!!(((4)S!^)((4)S!!^))~^)(!!!!(((5)S!^)((5)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!(((6)S!^)((6)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!(((7)S!^)((7)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!(((8)S!^)((8)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!!(((9)S!^)((9)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!!!(((0)S!^)(!^))~^((a(:^)*a(!!!!!!!!!^)~*^):^)))~a(:^)*~^):^)~*^^^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!!!!!!!!!!!!()~((0)S!)~^^(:*)*( )S~:^):^a
< 1225736871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: its oko
< 1225736873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never try and stop oko
< 1225736874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~:()~()~(((a(:^)*a(!!!!!!!!!^)~*^):^))~^a(((*)~a*^(((((1)S!^)((1)S!!^))~^)(!(((2)S!^)((2)S!!^))~^)(!!(((3)S!^)((3)S!!^))~^)(!!!(((4)S!^)((4)S!!^))~^)(!!!!(((5)S!^)((5)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!(((6)S!^)((6)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!(((7)S!^)((7)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!(((8)S!^)((8)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!!(((9)S!^)((9)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!!!(((0)S!^)(!^))~^((a(:^)*a(!!!!!!!!!^)~*^):^)))~a(:^)*~^):^)~*^^^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!!!!!!!!!!!!()~((0)S!)~^^(:*)*( )S~:^):^a
< 1225736875 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512  ...too much stack!
< 1225736904 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my computer is so laggy i can't enjoy anything right now
< 1225736908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should never leave it alone
< 1225736913 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512  ...too much memory used!
< 1225736913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to have got thutubot thinking...
< 1225736931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, interesting that they both reached 512
< 1225736949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... if I reduce the max number of digits to 5, will they get further? probably not tbh
< 1225736956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~:()~()~(((a(:^)*a(!!!!!!!!!^)~*^):^))~^a(((*)~a*^(((((1)S!^)((1)S!!^))~^)(!(((2)S!^)((2)S!!^))~^)(!!(((3)S!^)((3)S!!^))~^)(!!!(((4)S!^)((4)S!!^))~^)(!!!!(((5)S!^)((5)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!(((6)S!^)((6)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!(((7)S!^)((7)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!(((8)S!^)((8)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!!(((9)S!^)((9)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!!!(((0)S!^)(!^))~^((a(:^)*a(!!!!!!!!!^)~*^):^)))~a(:^)*~^):^)~*^^^!^!^!^!^!^!^!!!!!!!!!!!!()~((0)S!)~^^(:*)*( )S~:^):^a
< 1225736957 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512  ...too much stack!
< 1225736963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, just faster
< 1225736968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~:()~()~(((a(:^)*a(!!!!!!!!!^)~*^):^))~^a(((*)~a*^(((((1)S!^)((1)S!!^))~^)(!(((2)S!^)((2)S!!^))~^)(!!(((3)S!^)((3)S!!^))~^)(!!!(((4)S!^)((4)S!!^))~^)(!!!!(((5)S!^)((5)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!(((6)S!^)((6)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!(((7)S!^)((7)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!(((8)S!^)((8)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!!(((9)S!^)((9)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!!!(((0)S!^)(!^))~^((a(:^)*a(!!!!!!!!!^)~*^):^)))~a(:^)*~^):^)~*^^^!^!^!^!^!^!!!!!!!!!!!!()~((0)S!)~^^(:*)*( )S~:^):^a
< 1225736969 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512  ...too much stack!
< 1225736998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~:()~()~(((a(:^)*a(!!!!!!!!!^)~*^):^))~^a(((*)~a*^(((((1)S!^)((1)S!!^))~^)(!(((2)S!^)((2)S!!^))~^)(!!(((3)S!^)((3)S!!^))~^)(!!!(((4)S!^)((4)S!!^))~^)(!!!!(((5)S!^)((5)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!(((6)S!^)((6)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!(((7)S!^)((7)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!(((8)S!^)((8)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!!(((9)S!^)((9)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!!!(((0)S!^)(!^))~^((a(:^)*a(!!!!!!!!!^)~*^):^)))~a(:^)*~^):^)~*^^^!^!^!^!!!!!!!!!!!!()~((0)S!)~^^(:*)*( )S~:^):^a
< 1225736999 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512  ...too much stack!
< 1225737005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~:()~()~(((a(:^)*a(!!!!!!!!!^)~*^):^))~^a(((*)~a*^(((((1)S!^)((1)S!!^))~^)(!(((2)S!^)((2)S!!^))~^)(!!(((3)S!^)((3)S!!^))~^)(!!!(((4)S!^)((4)S!!^))~^)(!!!!(((5)S!^)((5)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!(((6)S!^)((6)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!(((7)S!^)((7)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!(((8)S!^)((8)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!!(((9)S!^)((9)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!!!(((0)S!^)(!^))~^((a(:^)*a(!!!!!!!!!^)~*^):^)))~a(:^)*~^):^)~*^^^!^!^!!!!!!!!!!!!()~((0)S!)~^^(:*)*( )S~:^):^a
< 1225737006 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512  ...too much stack!
< 1225737011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(~:()~()~(((a(:^)*a(!!!!!!!!!^)~*^):^))~^a(((*)~a*^(((((1)S!^)((1)S!!^))~^)(!(((2)S!^)((2)S!!^))~^)(!!(((3)S!^)((3)S!!^))~^)(!!!(((4)S!^)((4)S!!^))~^)(!!!!(((5)S!^)((5)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!(((6)S!^)((6)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!(((7)S!^)((7)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!(((8)S!^)((8)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!!(((9)S!^)((9)S!!^))~^)(!!!!!!!!!(((0)S!^)(!^))~^((a(:^)*a(!!!!!!!!!^)~*^):^)))~a(:^)*~^):^)~*^^^!^!!!!!!!!!!!!()~((0)S!)~^^(:*)*( )S~:^):^a
< 1225737012 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 4 8 16 32 64
< 1225737109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, time to stop spamming
< 1225737173 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lets organize a competition
< 1225737183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would compete?
< 1225737186 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone!
< 1225737196 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i propose a second part: parser writing
< 1225737200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, does it have to be a new esolang?
< 1225737205 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1225737207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can one that everyone's forgotten about count?
< 1225737212 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225737215 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it just has to be something you cant go and find easily
< 1225737229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the interp only runs in DOS?
< 1225737232 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, we dont want to be able to just go find some reference
< 1225737237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and OK
< 1225737242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about MiniMAX
< 1225737248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was my attempt to golf an interpreter
< 1225737265 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! interps must be compiled, or must run in browser
< 1225737269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to use DOS to get really really short interps
< 1225737279 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, say, server side interp
< 1225737280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: minimax interp IS compiled
< 1225737287 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it uses dos
< 1225737287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :into a few bytes of dos
< 1225737288 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1225737288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: actually I wrote the asm by hand
< 1225737290 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it can be dos
< 1225737291 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats fine
< 1225737297 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just dont have dos so i couldnt participate in that shit
< 1225737301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably psygnisfive means from a portable lang
< 1225737309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, DOSBox exists
< 1225737314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, dosbox
< 1225737316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that I've never dared run a MiniMAX program
< 1225737316 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt matter, i was kidding
< 1225737328 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the ideal scenario i think would be a server-side script
< 1225737331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote lots of interps, but I've never run any of them
< 1225737334 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that its 100% portable
< 1225737337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, a CGI sounds good
< 1225737348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better: no example programs, interps must produce sensible error messages?
< 1225737388 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have prizes for the first hello world, the first 99bob, the first cat, the first Lost Kingdoms, etc
< 1225737400 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sensible error messages, ok.
< 1225737411 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success
< 1225737419 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, parser challenge.
< 1225737426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, writing parsers?
< 1225737431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easy once you've got the hang of it
< 1225737437 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing parsers for especially difficult languages
< 1225737444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, like Cyclexa
< 1225737454 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and conversely, designing languages that are especially hard to parse
< 1225737456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parser was the only part of that I wrote, and it was buggy
< 1225737465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike Feather, Cyclexa does have a spec
< 1225737472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like Feather, it doesn't have an implementation
< 1225737475 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know cyclexa
< 1225737476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the spec isn't finished yet
< 1225737484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a TC regex-like lang
< 1225737499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an excessively gammaplexy (read: bloated) set of features
< 1225737504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and designed to be very golfable
< 1225737523 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ok
< 1225737571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, there's actually an interesting problem on Anagolf atm, with lots of time left
< 1225737579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :convert an Unlambda number to decimal
< 1225737715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: trivial
< 1225737724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know
< 1225737728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you golf it?
< 1225737738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it seems like a great program for some esoteric entries
< 1225737742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one in Unlambda itself would be nice
< 1225737742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link
< 1225737747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Church+Numerals+in+ski
< 1225737753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought you said underload
< 1225737757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1225737764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload's easier, I think
< 1225737767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to being easier to parse
< 1225737777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from that the rules for numerals aren't all that different
< 1225737915 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an internet, the interpreter could be on the other side of it.
< 1225737935 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inventing a language, writing a program in it, making others guess how it works?
< 1225737939 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've suggested that a few times
< 1225737946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, naturally, think it's an awesome idea
< 1225737948 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes. lets do it.
< 1225737959 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah letting others use an interpreter to figure out the language sounds good.
< 1225737976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: "let's", you mean make a language together, make others figure it out?
< 1225737980 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1225737986 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's organize this competitiony thing
< 1225737990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "officially start it"
< 1225738004 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1225738012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to read the last lines of the logs.
< 1225738085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ski numbers you need an ski interpreter, the rest takes really no code.
< 1225738094 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski might, depending on language
< 1225738105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance my thue ski is like 200 lines
< 1225738111 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or 10, i haven't counted)
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< 1225738357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well i'm thinking more like, puzzles.
< 1225738368 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok how so
< 1225738385 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that i could just make a puzzle, and paste it here... :P
< 1225738396 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1225738403 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would they look like bitch
< 1225738448 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i was thinking, a few example programs, a web-interface for running progs, and you have a certain thing you need to code in the lang, and if you manage to do that, you liek win
< 1225738497 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1225738505 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good!
< 1225738519 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a combination of figure out how the language works AND put that knowledge to use
< 1225738526 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1225738547 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an idea already
< 1225738553 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so that + parser/interpreter writing
< 1225738564 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ designing impossible to parse/interpret languages
< 1225738570 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not impossible but
< 1225738650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is impossible to parse
< 1225738652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in finite time
< 1225738655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all cases
< 1225738659 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1225738660 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1225738666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem of determining whether a Perl program contains a syntax error is TC
< 1225738673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: hes not joking
< 1225738675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true
< 1225738692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mazonka.com/mp3/index.html <- The awful, awful music by the inventor of Subleq and the writer of the fastest bf interp
< 1225738692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1225738735 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a programming challenge around Liquid or its kin would be fun
< 1225738747 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the basis for the contest you're talking about?
< 1225738819 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ey what
< 1225738821 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. is it driven or ad hoc
< 1225738826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1225738872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :contests here tend to be ad hoc
< 1225738878 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1225738889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i think the language is ready
< 1225738892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and never actually judged, the 2000 Essies went down in history because they actually finished, with a defined winner
< 1225738892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awesome.
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< 1225738930 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually surprised how fun things i can concoct when not aiming for absolute perfection
< 1225738933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did ABCDEF go
< 1225738935 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well also i'm not aiming for tcness here, so
< 1225739014 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host
< 1225739036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: never call it that, and it collapsed because nobody made the ideas into an esolang
< 1225739044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why never call it that
< 1225739054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says so, you always have to write the name out in full
< 1225739070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like brainfuck isn't a proper noun
< 1225739079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus is spelt lowercase-b except at the start of a sentence
< 1225739111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABCDEF
< 1225739111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABCDEF
< 1225739111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABCDEF
< 1225739112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABCDEF
< 1225739112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABCDEF
< 1225739114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RULEBREAKAGE
< 1225739351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I have a working solution in Perl to that anagolf problem but it times out
< 1225739359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I'll have to compile rather than interpret
< 1225739385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$r=qr/[^`]|`(??{$r})(??{$r})/;while($_="``".<>){s/
< 1225739386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/xy/;s/`i($r)/$1/&&redo;s/``k($r)$r/$1/&&redo;s/```s($r)($r)($r)/``$1$3`$2$3/&&redo;s/`x($r)/$1/&&++$l&&redo;print"$l
< 1225739388 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :";$l=0;}
< 1225739389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're interested
< 1225739404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as always in golf programs, literal newlines are common to save on characters
< 1225739429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty simple naive SKI interp
< 1225739517 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone explain forth branching to me! :|
< 1225739573 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do literal newlines depend on the newline format or is it always 0x10
< 1225739584 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their value, that is
< 1225739605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Anagolf maps all newlines in the program to 0x0a before feeding them to the interp
< 1225739617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but counts them as two bytes unless you upload, as it receives them as \n\r
< 1225739623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uploading is the way to get really high scores
< 1225739629 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1225739629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*\r\n
< 1225739649 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if you can rename 'redo' shortly that'd save a few bytes
< 1225739850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too slow to be entered anyway
< 1225739874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, you can group the redos together using s/a/b/||s/c/d/||s/e/f/ and redo
< 1225739883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done that before when using a similar structure
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< 1225740286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1225740291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not going to make a php version yet
< 1225740299 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can try figuring this out from the example program
< 1225740317 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on oklopol, we need to organize this proper like
< 1225740317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be trivial, may be insanely hard, i haven't exactly heard anyone try this.
< 1225740324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do? :P
< 1225740328 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225740342 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to put up a little website with links to the interpreters
< 1225740348 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a list of rules and such
< 1225740354 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we need to take out advertisements
< 1225740361 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :promote it for a few months
< 1225740366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butbut, can i just paste it ;)
< 1225740374 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no!
< 1225740403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if no one else has anything to say, then i guess there's no need to.
< 1225740424 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me put together a page to act as an index
< 1225740490 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kinda of challenge is your?
< 1225740547 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1225740553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a small program + output.
< 1225740565 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, actually, because i already made the interp, i could just as well make a more complex one
< 1225740567 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but what is the challenge
< 1225740570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hello world)
< 1225740576 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a hello world?
< 1225740592 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. i haven't actually thought about that, probably just something like hello world, it's a real tarpit, and prolly not tc
< 1225740600 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1225740609 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why we need to think about these things first!
< 1225740612 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so three categories
< 1225740637 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1: Given a blackbox interpreter and a sample program, write a program that does such and such
< 1225740651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking is for noobs, i want ais523 to start reverse-engineering it.
< 1225740654 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2: Given a language spec, write a parser (interpreter gets extra points)
< 1225740669 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3: Design a language that's especially hard to parse
< 1225740669 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason i think no one else will try, unless it's trivial.
< 1225740673 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 and 3 are paired, obviously
< 1225740704 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh i prefer having to code in the language.
< 1225740711 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok?
< 1225740723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but well, you're a linguist, so :P
< 1225740724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, see if you can write a decent program before I can reverse-engineer the one you have already
< 1225740734 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what?
< 1225740741 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: so you like syntax!
< 1225740750 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean the parser/design thing
< 1225740751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try to write a hello world
< 1225740752 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1225740754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax is boooring
< 1225740756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make it #1
< 1225740769 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just what?
< 1225740770 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1225740776 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, anyway, i'm pretty sure i can create more of these languages, no matter if one gets spoiler.
< 1225740778 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*spoiled
< 1225740802 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so what were the ideas from before?
< 1225740815 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, World!; 99 Bottles of Beer; Cat
< 1225740816 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else?
< 1225740823 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quine
< 1225740831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lost Kingdoms
< 1225740834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(compiled, obviously)
< 1225740838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Quine's a good one for the list
< 1225740842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ideas?
< 1225740846 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from earlier
< 1225740851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs to write to prove you understand the language
< 1225740851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm did i have ideas
< 1225740856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1225740868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't think i've talked about my ideas
< 1225740877 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are many standard ones people tend to make
< 1225740893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe interps for some simple esolangs?
< 1225740897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF interp? dupdog interp?
< 1225740900 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1225740903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload interp?
< 1225740906 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1225740911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my opinion, it should be simple
< 1225740918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just enough to prove you know how it works.
< 1225740925 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ais had ideas
< 1225740942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would involve control flow, I/O, and data processing, I think
< 1225740947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are what BF-complete langs need
< 1225740956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc in an esolang, data processing can mean more or less anything
< 1225740961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I/O can be weird too
< 1225740971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and control flow can be even weirder than both
< 1225741223 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wellnowwhat.net/2008esolangchallenge.html
< 1225741271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1225741289 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, to pms
< 1225741668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p152246423.txt
< 1225741745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"run" is python, as are the """'s
< 1225741778 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the spaces shouldn't be in the output, they are there because python
< 1225741989 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1225742015 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wellnowwhat.net/2008esolangchallenge.html
< 1225742023 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a link at the bottom see?
< 1225742026 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use it :p
< 1225742430 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err what link?
< 1225742438 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that have to do with anything
< 1225742449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a sample program, and a sample output
< 1225742489 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but you should put all this in the page for the interp
< 1225742495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: psygnisfive wants everyone to make a web-page that looks like that for a web-based interp
< 1225742497 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wellnowwhat.net/sampleinterp.html
< 1225742510 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. the idea is that its nice and uniform
< 1225742530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1225742531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats bullshit
< 1225742535 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1225742536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone can work out how to use an online interp
< 1225742538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not rocket science.
< 1225742553 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but its easier if theres just a standard thing that the author doesnt have to think about
< 1225742557 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote the html for you
< 1225742564 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you have to do is wrap your interp around it.
< 1225742570 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put your sample code in.
< 1225742571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1225742639 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, make oyur own, whatever, but the page is there for you to use if you want. and should have all those elements. thats the curcial point.
< 1225742641 0 :ais523!n=ais523@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225742642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1225742652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, messed up the keybindings in my window manager
< 1225742658 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job :P
< 1225742669 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive	i mean, make oyur own, whatever, but the page is there for you to use if you want. and should have all those elements. thats the curcial point.
< 1225742682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hit /part by mistake
< 1225742684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]psygnisfivei mean, make oyur own, whatever, but the page is there for you to use if you want. and should have all those elements. thats the curcial point.
< 1225742688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a button here as well as a command
< 1225742691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I clicked on it accidentally
< 1225742699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to figure out why nothing was responding to clicks
< 1225742704 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdSgeo[College]psygnisfivei mean, make oyur own, whatever, but the page is there for you to use if you want. and should have all those elements. thats the curcial point.
< 1225742787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfiveehirdSgeo[College]psygnisfivei mean, make oyur own, whatever, but the page is there for you to use if you want. and should have all those elements. thats the curcial point.
< 1225742799 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anywqy
< 1225742810 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the page, dont, whatever. but have all that shit.
< 1225742814 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its necessary.
< 1225742946 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol!
< 1225742980 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm yeah i can use that interface if i put an interp up somewhere...
< 1225742991 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're gonna have to put the interp up somewhere :P
< 1225742992 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't see what that has to do with my code sample.
< 1225743010 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put the code sample into the page.
< 1225743015 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily, perhaps i think that one sample is enough to reverse-engineer the whole language ;)
< 1225743025 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but then how will people know they did it right?
< 1225743025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh
< 1225743048 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err they ask me?
< 1225743051 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of the interp is that you have to reverse engineer the language by experiment as well
< 1225743066 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you dont want to just GIVE THEM everything
< 1225743068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik vjn's server doesn't run python with current configurations
< 1225743073 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1225743077 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to let them figure this shit out
< 1225743102 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm not giving them everything, i'm giving them one code sample atm.
< 1225743103 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme see if my server runs python
< 1225743119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine does.
< 1225743131 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. but the challenge, theoretically, is for more than just Hello World
< 1225743136 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you read the page? :P
< 1225743170 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wellnowwhat.net/2008esolangchallenge.html
< 1225743172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i read the page?
< 1225743174 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err sure
< 1225743193 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your sample code should be enough to make it possible to do all four of those
< 1225743205 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless your language can't do some at all)
< 1225743256 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can run python, i can give you a .pyc, anything more is too much hassle
< 1225743263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: um
< 1225743266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cant run .pycs as a cgi
< 1225743267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p152246423.txt is all anyone will ever need!
< 1225743272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1225743273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do
< 1225743274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why not?
< 1225743276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a regular cgi
< 1225743278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does 'import foo'
< 1225743280 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: PMs.
< 1225743282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because you can't put a shebang on them
< 1225743284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're binary
< 1225743291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: what about pm's?
< 1225743292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy enough to do a wrapper
< 1225743295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, yeah
< 1225743297 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO.
< 1225743389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I don't get who you're trying to do what atm
< 1225743408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't get what sentence you mean is
< 1225743415 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: that was ungrammatical.
< 1225743425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get who you're trying to get to do what atm
< 1225743440 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trying to get anyone who wants to to do what they need to
< 1225743496 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you reverse-engineer it yet? ;)
< 1225743508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, haven't been paying much attention
< 1225743516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, my client's loading text files in OpenOffice atm
< 1225743532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it a pain to read that
< 1225743576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225743798 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, anyone wanna do entries? :D
< 1225743835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope.
< 1225743839 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1225743845 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais? :D
< 1225743890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not right now
< 1225743891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1225743893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe later
< 1225743898 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later as in?
< 1225743901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, you know, I can't design interesting esolangs straight-off
< 1225743905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so later as in when I have a good idea
< 1225744053 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant!
< 1225744061 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes!
< 1225744155 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna contribute? :)
< 1225744214 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, the challenge?
< 1225744219 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :D
< 1225744283 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't think of anything
< 1225744304 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well try!
< 1225744311 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of the challenge is coming up with stuff
< 1225744322 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like nanowrimo but for esolangs!
< 1225744366 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice that the 2006 contest is still somewhat a WIP :-P
< 1225744420 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes well noones bugging anyone about that
< 1225744424 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i however will bug you people
< 1225744441 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a very different kind of competition
< 1225744483 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is :D
< 1225744609 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"orwell.freenode.net maintenance break soonishly"
< 1225744638 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225744856 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wellnowwhat.net/2008esolangchallenge.html
< 1225744866 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :submit entries!
< 1225744872 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get your esocreative juices flowing!
< 1225744994 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hum... Hum..."
< 1225746497 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1225746555 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1225746720 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have another language idea, but this one is even weirder.
< 1225746751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: the spaces between chars are because python, the program shouldn't actually produce them
< 1225746762 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what/
< 1225746772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also can't you use a fixed character width?
< 1225746778 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1225746779 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the output, it's h e l l o now, should be hello
< 1225746785 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1225746789 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the source??
< 1225746795 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::::::::::.:.:::::::.
< 1225746795 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :........23!.::::.
< 1225746795 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20!..:..56!:.::...:.:@...::@@.:@
< 1225746796 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :66!..::@........
< 1225746807 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look much different fixed width
< 1225746813 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was hoping for a moria map
< 1225746816 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, periods don't exactly look all that clean next to each other, and some languages may require vertical lines.
< 1225746821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2d languages taht is)
< 1225746827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...moria map?
< 1225746852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a few guesses, from inspection of the program
< 1225746855 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with fixed width you can *read* it, that's the difference.
< 1225746857 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol
< 1225746858 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pm
< 1225746861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: submission:
< 1225746862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sjfldsfjdls jskldfjsdklfj sljlskdfklsdf
< 1225746864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figure out what it does
< 1225746877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's you banging on your keyboard, or else made to look very like that
< 1225746881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the latter
< 1225746894 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: please adhere as strictly to the guidelines as possible.
< 1225746898 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :submission rejected.
< 1225746900 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F+
< 1225746900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: no.
< 1225746913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee a high barrier to entry sure is the way to get people involved
< 1225746928 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not a high barrier to entry at all cunt bag
< 1225746939 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird's is a `cat` in a ringed state engine
< 1225746945 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next?
< 1225746949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: no.
< 1225746950 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there's really not much you can do without sample input
< 1225746958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably didn't know that.
< 1225746959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like a cat banging on a keyboard admittedly
< 1225746961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not `cat`
< 1225746961 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's something else *also*
< 1225746996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, should I share my guesses about oklopol's lang here, or privately, or just keep them to myself?
< 1225747007 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tell in my pric
< 1225747009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*priv
< 1225747013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in here
< 1225747553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: OKLOPOL
< 1225747574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I told oklopol in /msg so as not to spoil for anyone else
< 1225747580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oklopol llllllllll
< 1225747593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is oklotalk selfmodifying syntaxyyyyyyy
< 1225747601 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is away
< 1225747609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:(
< 1225747615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if i talk long enough to him
< 1225747616 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by moria i meant a dungeon map
< 1225747617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he will HEAR ME
< 1225747626 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wont
< 1225747628 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hes dead
< 1225747629 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i killed him
< 1225747636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1225747636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1225747915 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah i will, but i'm really trying to leave for tonight. and actually decided i wouldn't say anything when i sit here. but then i did say this message.
< 1225747942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is oklotalk done have self-modify syntax
< 1225747969 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523
< 1225747975 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what default parser toolkit do you guys use?
< 1225747976 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1225747978 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to make a program that does Hello World
< 1225747983 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least.
< 1225747990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: we hand-code, mostly
< 1225747993 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 bottles of beer if you want the prize
< 1225747996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: it depends on the situation, for esolangs it's often either possible or necessary to hand-code
< 1225748001 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not done have it's designed have. actually was one of my design goals for the later version plannings of oklotalk.
< 1225748003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hand-coded if it's either very easy or very difficult
< 1225748004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language of choice for implementing seems to be either c or python around here
< 1225748007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on the person
< 1225748021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all sorts of stuff for in-between, for instance C-INTERCAL is lex/yacc
< 1225748025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have very syntax syntax.
< 1225748026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
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< 1225748032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I commonly use Perl for stuff for which it's appropriate
< 1225748036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other esolangs are also prime things for implements
< 1225748037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
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< 1225748045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah perl too
< 1225748049 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer to implement with JS or Ruby because of the flexibility
< 1225748053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, implementing esolangs in other esolangs is common if it works
< 1225748061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1225748061 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl is the original rapid development platform
< 1225748068 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rabbit
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< 1225748159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaa
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< 1225748176 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaa
< 1225748190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
< 1225748194 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aa
< 1225748639 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pondering a parsablility challenge where the program text is a set of parameters to a darwinian environment full of code snippets .. you can't program, you can simply attempt to grow a program that approaches the desired output
< 1225748711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1225748746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program which generated the correct grower for a program would, of course, be called intelligent_design
< 1225748788 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll be happier when we figure out god's fitness test methods?
< 1225748843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1225748868 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jaycampbell: be aware that the parsability challenge requires that you design and submit specs for a language, and then people try to make a parser for it.
< 1225748880 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you should have some idea of how it should work. :P
< 1225748892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: why have you gone all "I'm defining the contest to work exactly like this and you do as I say" on us?
< 1225748897 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the problem, i'd rather write the parser than the spec
< 1225748900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523++
< 1225748902 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specs are just sci-fi
< 1225748908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive is being a dictator
< 1225748915 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can write a parser thats fine
< 1225748945 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a job for ruby
< 1225748986 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :randomly constructed methods in _why's sandboxes
< 1225748989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably lots of langs would work
< 1225749011 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be interpreted
< 1225749015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_why is awesome.
< 1225749022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could write an interp in a compiled language
< 1225749033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that matter, you can write compilers in interpreted langs
< 1225749047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful for golfing as if you're compiling into the same lang, you can just put an eval at the end to get an "interp"
< 1225749052 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby metaprogramming feels right for this one
< 1225749071 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah
< 1225749087 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the genetic programming harness and the critter language don't have to be the same
< 1225749120 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember the other competition meta-idea i head
< 1225749121 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had
< 1225749141 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :core wars-ish
< 1225749164 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs must not only execute their intended function, but defend themselves from other submissions
< 1225749177 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :base it on one of the friendlier languages
< 1225749193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's FukYorBrane already, but it's broken
< 1225749202 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something high level, ideally something that can be stepped through to keep compute cycles divvied fairly
< 1225749213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably Funge would be a good choice then
< 1225749221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the higher-level esolangs
< 1225749228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has strict concurrency stepping rules
< 1225749241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's self-modifying (and thus other-modifying), what more could you want?
< 1225749247 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1225749293 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most esolangs could be given the core wars abstraction layer
< 1225749326 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add a second pointer and thread
< 1225749344 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N running programs, one memory space
< 1225749430 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys are real fans of these compact esolangs .. single byte commands and limited stacks
< 1225749465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tarpits
< 1225749477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a good way to show off a particularly unusual idea
< 1225749598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: they're simple to make, is why they're so popular
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< 1225749611 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.<
< 1225749622 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn connection
< 1225749647 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1225749656 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, jaycampbell it was
< 1225749656 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1225749725 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those little state engines are good practice for tcp programming
< 1225749768 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shakespeare is mis-categorized, it's not a high level language
< 1225749774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1225749777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly any esolangs are
< 1225749896 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, like i said
< 1225749904 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you submit both the language and the parser, thats fine
< 1225749910 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess as soon as you introduce reflection you open up porting to whole ruby standard library to your not-so-eso-anymore-lang
< 1225749912 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're just going to keep them separate in the challenge
< 1225749930 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if your parser doesnt work, well, that sucks for you. :P
< 1225749959 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225749983 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, jaycampbell, do design such a language
< 1225750011 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's non-deterministic
< 1225750016 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can't be turing complete
< 1225750017 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to try to design one and provide a parser, sometime two weeks from now
< 1225750058 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i noted, you can design any sort of language not just a programming language, for the parsability challenge.
< 1225750060 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do it :D
< 1225750081 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1225750113 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a broad challenge then
< 1225750146 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. its more in the Esoteric Formal Language category than strictly Esoteric Programming Language category
< 1225750164 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but esoproglangs can be esoformlangs too
< 1225750181 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and parsability is especially more a formal thing
< 1225750189 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas interpretability is a programming thing
< 1225750192 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so either one is cool
< 1225750217 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1225750247 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do the parsability part, the weirder the language the better
< 1225750256 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the harder it is to parse something, the better it is as a challenge.
< 1225750306 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means weirder = better
< 1225750550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:53:11 ais523: there's FukYorBrane already, but it's broken <<< ?
< 1225750568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: because you can move your IP faster than the enemy program can catch up with it
< 1225750591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can have 1000000 bytes of junk inside a loop that never runs, then you have a million free cycles undisruptable by the opposing program
< 1225750683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1225750693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i hear you suck ass, is this true?
< 1225750914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: me too
< 1225751105 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to be a direct core war analogy where you pollute the other guy's code
< 1225751192 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other intermediate goals and challenges could be artificially glued on
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< 1225752546 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i heard from a reliable source that you suck too, is this true?
< 1225752565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225752591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway wasn't BeYourFunge ehird's corewards on befunge?
< 1225752597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*core awards
< 1225752598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225752601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it didnt work lulz
< 1225752613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i vaguely recall something like that.
< 1225752615 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep ->
< 1225752726 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1225753268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there?
< 1225753290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I forgot to ask: Had any time for gcc-bf?
< 1225753293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ick?
< 1225753327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no
< 1225753374 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster
< 1225753380 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you participate in the challenge?
< 1225753920 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than genetic cycles, what if program text was the source for a markov chainer
< 1225753946 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a deterministic random number generator
< 1225753971 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so given the right source texts it might eventually be shown turing complete
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< 1225759418 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ehird: Depends on the price.
< 1225759419 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MEAN NO
< 1225760863 0 :psyg5!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :la
< 1225763703 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
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< 1225767031 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heya
< 1225767077 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoy goys
< 1225767138 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think there are simpler ways to do bitwise and bitshift operations in bf. (I can do bitshift with multiplication and division, but bitwise or and and xor still evade me)
< 1225767239 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have an ideas on how to do the bitwise in bf (even using multiplication division etc)
< 1225767397 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aside from the really long way <.<
< 1225767422 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ergo seperating out every bit, checking each bit and then putting it all back togeather again)
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< 1225767997 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_algorithms
< 1225768012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1225768123 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitwise or and and xor
< 1225768161 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes bitwise
< 1225768163 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not boolean
< 1225768183 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just a fun sentence to parse
< 1225768196 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh thanks
< 1225768280 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or and and and xor
< 1225768300 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only had 2 ands
< 1225768306 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or and and xor
< 1225768314 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that needs commas
< 1225768317 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, and, and xor
< 1225768327 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with three ands, you don't need commas
< 1225768327 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comma are writers :)
< 1225768338 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"or and and and xor" is perfect english
< 1225768350 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: | && ^ ?
< 1225768354 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah perhaps so
< 1225768404 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq & && | && ^
< 1225768420 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1225768485 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys
< 1225768490 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does > return true/false or 0/1?
< 1225768495 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C
< 1225768522 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true/false, where true=1 and false=0.
< 1225768524 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 0 and 1
< 1225768524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1225768549 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1225768552 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C 0=false and >1=true
< 1225768570 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do that in some languages (its a nice shortcut though)
< 1225768585 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
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< 1225768599 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what negative values are treated as
< 1225768601 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo where bar had had had had had had had had had had been the correct response
< 1225768640 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok you can stop now chase
< 1225768646 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo, where Bar had had "had," had had "had had." "Had had" had been the correct response.
< 1225768649 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was already done
< 1225768655 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now you force me to continue on
< 1225768656 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just needed to know what i asked. :P
< 1225768660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Chase-san They're cast to unsigned first.
< 1225768663 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not programming in c.
< 1225768680 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't program in c either
< 1225768681 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby's idea of false keeps making me grumble
< 1225768694 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is ruby's idea?
< 1225768697 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nil right?
< 1225768698 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to though :/
< 1225768701 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t/nil
< 1225768704 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wa that lisp
< 1225768709 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats lisp
< 1225768713 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby is true/false??
< 1225768767 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nil and false are false
< 1225768790 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1, 0, empty lists, empty strings .. are all true
< 1225768816 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1225768826 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically only useful for checking failed hash matches
< 1225768828 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nil being a non-value
< 1225768830 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and false being false
< 1225768834 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else being a value
< 1225768836 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus true
< 1225768839 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to come up with a neat way to optimize loops in my bf interpreter, but all I can think of is a type of Artificial Nueron, but I don't feel like implimenting that. :(
< 1225768841 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225768877 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except "everything else being an object"
< 1225768893 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is an object yes
< 1225768896 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even nil! :o
< 1225768922 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're more correct then, value
< 1225768935 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :false and nil are the only non-true concepts without a value
< 1225768955 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm value isn't even the right word, because they're both valid right-handers
< 1225768960 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1225768960 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1225768970 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just falsey
< 1225768991 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :earlier i typed: cat = cats.pop.pop
< 1225769010 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most unintentionally poetic line of my year
< 1225769023 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just rolls off the tongue
< 1225769063 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cats equals cats pop pop
< 1225769089 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chigga chigga mow mow
< 1225769322 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woggle woggle bow out
< 1225769527 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hem
< 1225769671 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random question, how do you guys get motivated to work on something you don't really want to work on
< 1225769811 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quit, honestly
< 1225769817 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1225769826 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish things we're that simple
< 1225769872 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decide you're doing it for other reasons
< 1225769882 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do one step at a time
< 1225769887 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :break the task down into smaller steps
< 1225769900 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :determine a reward if you finish
< 1225769911 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :collaborate
< 1225769921 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :redefine the scope of the project
< 1225769926 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think  Ihave read that website
< 1225769930 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee
< 1225769942 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're true
< 1225769958 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get motivated to do those things?
< 1225769958 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what sticks
< 1225769964 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1225769970 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think you want to do the project?
< 1225769983 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really want to want to want to?
< 1225770003 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to want to want to quit smoking
< 1225770015 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no more
< 1225770049 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, not helpful but kay
< 1225771399 0 :Chase-san!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1225776006 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225778224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mörn
< 1225778599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'pie ->
< 1225779122 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat"
< 1225779259 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@d8-18.rb.gh.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225779261 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1225782475 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1225782510 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225785599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1225785600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225786477 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225786854 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1225787335 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Unisex."
< 1225789877 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225789893 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-93-114.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225789983 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pl()p
< 1225793987 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-39-187.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225796589 0 :Leonidas`!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Leonidas
< 1225798778 0 :Slereah2!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-24-167.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225799622 0 :Pyramidhead!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-24-167.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225799959 0 :Pyramidhead!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.redbubble.com/people/butcherbrand/clothing/424598-6-love-machine-9000
< 1225799963 0 :Pyramidhead!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey >:|
< 1225799982 0 :Pyramidhead!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone violated the copyright registered trademark patent of the Love Machine 9000 >:|
< 1225799985 0 :Pyramidhead!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah
< 1225800748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pyramidhead: sux
< 1225800777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<jayCampbell> earlier i typed: cat = cats.pop.pop
< 1225800780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1225800802 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than cats.pop.poop
< 1225800925 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POP POP
< 1225800941 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :popcorn.  made from cats.
< 1225800956 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah.
< 1225800962 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pop music, made by cats.
< 1225800974 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "Cat-fu fighting" by Kawaii Kenji
< 1225800981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corny pop music, or is that redundant?
< 1225801166 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like
< 1225801171 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The meow mix song
< 1225801176 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow meow meow meow
< 1225801176 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow meow meow meow
< 1225801183 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow
< 1225801185 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225801186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep lyrics
< 1225801207 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the translation is much more deeper.
< 1225801212 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I like chicken"
< 1225801216 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I like liver"
< 1225801221 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something
< 1225801233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i c a cat food commercial?
< 1225801259 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1225801264 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You never heard the meow mix song? :o
< 1225801286 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=5JuVHCJVYf4
< 1225801298 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, it was even on the Simpsons!
< 1225801344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i have
< 1225801349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't watch television
< 1225801363 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Neither do I
< 1225801369 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still watch the Simpsons
< 1225801372 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ON THE INTERNET
< 1225801400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, those weren't cats singing
< 1225801411 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DARE YOU CALL THEM LIARS
< 1225801421 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HAVE A LOT OF CHUTZPAH
< 1225801463 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a lifetime subscription of that
< 1225801489 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1225801727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refuse to be taken in by catfood commercials unless they're narrated by _real_ cats
< 1225801741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to fooled, no sir
< 1225801745 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be
< 1225801766 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah that typo was...
< 1225801787 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something to tell my grandchildren, if i expected to have any
< 1225802581 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cats will tell your grand children
< 1225803440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1225803618 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-079-031.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225807288 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225809379 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1225810607 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1225814996 0 :Leonidas_!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225815027 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Coyote finally caught me"
< 1225815037 0 :Leonidas_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Leonidas
< 1225816451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523 .
< 1225816508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird
< 1225816902 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust canned cat food that isn't made from food cats eat in the wild.
< 1225816917 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want to find the roach and spider bits in rat gravy cat food.
< 1225816920 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure Tia would love it.
< 1225816938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1225816965 0 :_ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225820188 0 :_ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1225820192 0 :_ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird
< 1225820506 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225820542 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225821483 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random brainfuck code generators tend to create ABBA as their first recognizeable output, fyi
< 1225821494 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :several million iterations later
< 1225821514 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABBA?
< 1225821523 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like... Dancing Queen? :o
< 1225821633 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABBA like.... Mony Mony Mony, must be funny
< 1225821922 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225822085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: haha, why?
< 1225822107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1225822110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot?
< 1225822115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (thutubot, you here?)S
< 1225822115 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot, you here?
< 1225822117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1225822119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone restart it
< 1225822136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wherefore art thou, optbot?
< 1225822253 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, to test bf interpreters .. bff4 is fast but has poor bounds checking f'rinstance
< 1225822259 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of segfaults
< 1225822281 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is for the genetic breeding harness
< 1225822318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: i mean
< 1225822321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: why do they produce abba
< 1225822337 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :near the front of the alphabet
< 1225822353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1225822355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why abba in particular?
< 1225822357 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as you hit A, print, increment, print, print, decrement, print
< 1225822368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225822373 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to the operations required to print QWERTY
< 1225822382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: surely A should be printed first
< 1225822420 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it especially pops after sort|uniq
< 1225822427 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the output of so many of these runs is identical
< 1225822441 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite stream of nulls is common
< 1225822489 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the end i'll probably base this on the python bf interpreter so the harness doesn't have to boot a separate interpreter process
< 1225822505 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'll be able to add in cycle and output limits
< 1225822595 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to decide whether to make the programmer create his fitness tests in bf
< 1225822613 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems .. mean
< 1225822853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: how does your generator work?
< 1225822861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pick +-,.<> or loop?
< 1225822870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then stick those in, for a loop stick [, random prorgam, ]?
< 1225822876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then stop randomly?
< 1225823219 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1225823331 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last batch had no input and a loop depth limit of 1
< 1225824274 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if nothing else, i'm going to brute force useful snippets that use no looping
< 1225824296 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dictionary words, large numbers
< 1225824319 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that works out i'll try feeding known inputs and make loopless utility functions
< 1225824324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: i'm going to write a copy of that
< 1225824327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, have you tried bff?
< 1225824335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not as fast as bff4 but it's fast
< 1225824335 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the desktop one?
< 1225824342 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet
< 1225824346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good.
< 1225824347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use it.
< 1225824385 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast boot is more important than fast execution in this case
< 1225824410 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the high level language implementations might give me better overall speed
< 1225824416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: http://swapped.cc/bf/
< 1225824500 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how well does it handle malformed programs
< 1225824511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: well, I believe
< 1225824527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the makefile that comes with it
< 1225824569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell:
< 1225824569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% time (echo '['|./bff)
< 1225824570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bff: no matching ]
< 1225824570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(; echo '[' | ./bff; )  0.00s user 0.00s system 77% cpu 0.006 total
< 1225824666 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely fewer segfaults
< 1225824687 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on ABBA
< 1225824708 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: you may also consider loops with matching <>, then you can calculate the bounds of tape used
< 1225824768 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't care unless its output is interesting
< 1225824797 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't swamp my machine in the 1 second max i give it
< 1225824823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean to avoid segfaults
< 1225824830 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1225824857 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or supply exactly enough input to satisfy the reads
< 1225824887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: how do you handle timeouts?
< 1225824888 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the joy of this was just mashing random characters together
< 1225824890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just run it for <1 second?
< 1225824899 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, thread kill
< 1225824905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: ah, multithreaded
< 1225824906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense
< 1225824912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably run 30 brainfuck programs for  1 second at once
< 1225824916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe up to 100
< 1225824937 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm threading once just for the timeout
< 1225824975 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, this is way easier than constructing random but valid perl
< 1225825005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes program
< 1225825016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: do you do it deterministically, or just random?
< 1225825076 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf, just random
< 1225825109 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl, random action, which sometimes means adding matching braces or parens or etc
< 1225825168 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225825186 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's is ruby wrapping bf/bff
< 1225825196 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        master = Thread.current
< 1225825196 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        slave = Thread.new {
< 1225825196 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :            system "echo '#{program}' | ./bff |head -c1000 >outputs/#{m} 2>/dev/null"
< 1225825196 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :            master.wakeup
< 1225825196 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        }
< 1225825196 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        sleep 1
< 1225825198 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        system "killall bff"
< 1225825200 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        slave.kill
< 1225825355 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot!
< 1225825356 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it has gone down already ( my thermometer has run out of " dogface" advocates atheism. is the same as
< 1225825391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how terrible!
< 1225825392 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no man, i'm feeling a bit overall-confused, been implementing oklotalk a bit too oriented towards java's excuse for oo. i learned over the course of two hours.
< 1225825442 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225825446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo
< 1225825456 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1225825459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i'm sure oklopol wouldn't recommend that
< 1225825459 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sounds quite interesting
< 1225825992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi
< 1225825996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, see /msg
< 1225826000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done
< 1225826207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :summary of the discussion: is setting SIGPIPE to ignore a good idea?
< 1225826281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'y,a,
< 1225826291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a Funge-98 program that does what the yes command does
< 1225826299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I pipe that into head, should it exit?
< 1225826355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes it should.
< 1225826365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it should detect the reflect and exit
< 1225826365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I think too
< 1225826375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, that program doesn't detect reflections
< 1225826377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should exit anyway
< 1225826384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1225826385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should , reflect when writing into a blocked pipe?
< 1225826387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should exit with an error
< 1225826392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna know why?
< 1225826417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because both python and ruby do it
< 1225826420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-e:1:in `write': Broken pipe (Errno::EPIPE)
< 1225826422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1225826423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last):
< 1225826423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
< 1225826423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe
< 1225826446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These instructions will act as r does, should the standard output fail for any reason."
< 1225826447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from
< 1225826449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/projects/funge98/doc/funge98.html#Stdio
< 1225826451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1225826457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it should reflect
< 1225826465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the interpreter shouldn't exit
< 1225826470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, :P
< 1225826476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that standard output failure?
< 1225826482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, see what I linked
< 1225826483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes
< 1225826502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so doing anything else would break the specs too
< 1225826507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something I'm not prepared to do
< 1225826542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the linked page open before you linked it, by the way
< 1225826545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also both of ehird's examples,seemed to throw exceptions
< 1225826555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ok, that's interesting
< 1225826555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225826560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an IOError
< 1225826563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the IO, to stdout, failed
< 1225826569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you could catch right?
< 1225826569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like a read from stdin fails after EOF
< 1225826572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes.
< 1225826582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, think of reflect as funge exception then
< 1225826593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then reflect
< 1225826599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and that is what the specs say
< 1225826663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so in summary, that yes program should have been:
< 1225826673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'y#@,a#@,
< 1225826679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1225826740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or.
< 1225826741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'y#@,# a,
< 1225826767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly harder to read
< 1225826788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and longer, and less useful
< 1225826804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, both those examples are equally long
< 1225826819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a golfing point of vew
< 1225826820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :view*
< 1225826827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'y,a, is much shorter
< 1225826833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well but it is buggy
< 1225826841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also correct, that's how you'd write it in C
< 1225826851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, but see http://catseye.tc/projects/funge98/doc/funge98.html#Stdio
< 1225826852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1225826865 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I think writing to a closed pipe isn't output failing
< 1225826867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm not going to change cfunge in a way that breaks the spec
< 1225826870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's completely against the UNIX philosophy
< 1225826871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes it is
< 1225826873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm
< 1225826875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's output succeeding, just going nowhere
< 1225826877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your unix philosophy is broken
< 1225826884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees with ehird 
< 1225826884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the program that writes is closed in order to save time and processor cycles
< 1225826884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that is exactly how it behaves
< 1225826887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1225826900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how the fuck did you get off my ignore list?
< 1225826901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: are cat file.txt | head and head < file.txt identical?
< 1225826907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes.
< 1225826912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no clue, I guess you unignored me
< 1225826915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they aren't, in your interpretation
< 1225826916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly didn't change anything
< 1225826919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm not that idiotic
< 1225826934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I didn't change ident or anything
< 1225826937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the second one, standard input to head clearly works correctly
< 1225826939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a bug in your client or something
< 1225826954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first, standard output from cat, according to you, stops working when head ends
< 1225826959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't, it's just that cat is SIGPIPEd
< 1225826960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, i was ignoring you via nickname.
< 1225826964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the reason SIGPIPE works
< 1225826970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well my nick is still the same
< 1225826974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can see
< 1225827053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: clearly you have been sleepunignoring
< 1225827054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and no cat file.txt | head and head < file.txt aren't identical. One only uses bash/shell, the other invokes cat
< 1225827072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> ais523, and no cat file.txt | head and head < file.txt aren't identical. One only uses bash/shell, the other invokes cat
< 1225827075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ not really fucking obvious
< 1225827082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a tedious degree. nope
< 1225827099 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're different, the latter one doesn't have a "c" for instance.
< 1225827100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they have the same effect
< 1225827113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, correct too
< 1225827114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas in the first one
< 1225827119 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the *first* character
< 1225827120 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on your implementation of cat :)
< 1225827136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, all implementations of cat start with "c", actually)
< 1225827140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell, hm where have I seen that name before...
< 1225827150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he's a b player.
< 1225827153 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you my one science fiction fan?
< 1225827153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomic.
< 1225827154 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1225827172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah I think I may have had a look at their website once before
< 1225827174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: AnMaster only ever played one nomic, me/ais523/ihope (defacto founders)'s IRCNomic
< 1225827174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably
< 1225827182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wasn't very good at it (imo.)
< 1225827188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i dunno how he's seen your name
< 1225827190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: just on the opposite side of the big argument to you
< 1225827200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, thanks
< 1225827205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i wasn't talking about that
< 1225827206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1225827207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: doesn't the standard C implementation of cat start with #
< 1225827218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking about how he would oppose every change that wasn't utilitarianly sensible
< 1225827225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the highest degree
< 1225827230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um? It could start with /* I guess
< 1225827236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering about that
< 1225827239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :followed by BSD or GPL one
< 1225827241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or // if it was C98
< 1225827244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/one/header
< 1225827247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just on the opposite side of _every_ argument, Miss Sophie
< 1225827247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, C99*
< 1225827251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the standard C implementation of cat have a particular licence?
< 1225827254 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no the *name* of every cat starts with a "c"
< 1225827255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ok
< 1225827257 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some cats buffer all their input, which can allow more execution to happen than head<foo.txt
< 1225827299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell, hm
< 1225827307 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does all discussion on this channel turn to cats these days?
< 1225827308 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll see it when guys try to reimplement the standard unix command set in scripting languages
< 1225827324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell, I know head foo.txt is best ;P
< 1225827342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catz
< 1225827347 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :files are old fashioned anyway
< 1225827347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like cat, but mangles output
< 1225827353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to lolcats
< 1225827358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: har har har
< 1225827369 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1225827384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell, hm?
< 1225827387 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why does all discussion on this channel turn to wondering why all discussion turns to things these days these days?
< 1225827401 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on this channel
< 1225827427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!oh dear, it seems BF has no way to handle SIGPIPE
< 1225827427 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, it seems BF has no way to handle SIGPIPE
< 1225827431 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why does every snarky comment end up containing stupid typos these days?
< 1225827444 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that makes no sense without a typo
< 1225827448 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please correct it.
< 1225827454 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on this channel
< 1225827463 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better?
< 1225827470 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1225827472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no!
< 1225827478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to have a typo
< 1225827488 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was your typo too
< 1225827499 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*typos or brainos
< 1225827501 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1225827502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> ^bf ,[.,]!oh dear, it seems BF has no way to handle SIG <-- what about it?
< 1225827513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: approved.
< 1225827518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: BF cat programs seem to work fine
< 1225827520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck isn't funge-98
< 1225827522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes
< 1225827533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so they are unrelated
< 1225827538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you're writing a BF interp in funge-98, would you handle reflection in ,
< 1225827550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you would have to in your , yes
< 1225827569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many people check , for reflections in Funge programs
< 1225827570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1225827572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your .
< 1225827575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Mycology, for instance
< 1225827578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it's , in Befunge
< 1225827597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, I don't know who checks it, but I'm not going to break the specs
< 1225827606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fully agree with ehird there
< 1225827613 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes!
< 1225827622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the universe is collapsing!
< 1225827626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd break the spec if the spec is wrong.
< 1225827632 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: stop making a scene!
< 1225827634 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew
< 1225827634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the spec isn't wrong
< 1225827643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Mycology check for reflections from ,
< 1225827654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, don't know, but if it doesn't it is it's own issue
< 1225827665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it was just an apparent agreement between AnMaster and ehird.  fortunately it was overrated.  only AnMaster thought they agreed.
< 1225827692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nothing is going to make me break the spec on this issue
< 1225827695 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, which is actually a higher level of disagreement.
< 1225827699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it would break various fingerprints
< 1225827700 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the universe still exists, for the time being.
< 1225827744 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't blink
< 1225827760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the universe will collapse if oerjan blinks?
< 1225827765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I didn't know oerjan could do that...
< 1225827768 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late.  are we in a new universe now?
< 1225827778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no, common misunderstanding
< 1225827787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will collapse the wave function thingy
< 1225827799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225827803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1225827805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when he *opens* his eys
< 1225827808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eyes*
< 1225827822 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad's scientist friend said the world actually *oscillates* between the wave form and the particle form.
< 1225827838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, when you blink?
< 1225827839 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/singles/collapse_a_wavefunction.php
< 1225827862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: when you blink too, pretty much all the time.
< 1225827867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what if you had javascript off when you clicked and nothing happened?
< 1225827908 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it requires javascript?
< 1225827915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes
< 1225827924 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes of course
< 1225827981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you click both buttons simultaneously
< 1225827998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i think that means you change from Fermi-Dirac statistics to Bose-Einstein statistics, as your cases then become indistinguishable
< 1225828011 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure that that sort of decision is one where there is actually random stuff going on in the brain
< 1225828014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try using it to make a laser
< 1225828062 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i think that means you dad's scientist friend is not _particularly_ clever
< 1225828066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your
< 1225828070 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snarky comment again
< 1225828166 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait the cases are indistuingishable in Fermi-Dirac statistics too, it's just swapping the cases which isn't
< 1225828224 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but if you click both buttons simultaneously and nothing happens, that should prove it's Fermi-Dirac
< 1225828250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since two identical cases cancel
< 1225828297 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.petrsu.ru/~alexk/list_of_publications/ <<< dunno if he's clever, but i find this an impressive list
< 1225828301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now excuse me while i go recalibrating my death ray
< 1225828335 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENCE
< 1225828360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, those seem to be biology/medicine
< 1225828363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half of that is parapsychology afaik, but i think there's some serious stuff too
< 1225828378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that too
< 1225828380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1225828390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't trust that person
< 1225828407 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.5 Kaivarainen A. Application of Hierarchic Concept of Matter and Wave-Particle Duality Model for Explanation of "Biological" and "Informational" Fields Emergency (paper). Proceedings of the Second Annual Advanced Water Sciences Symposium October 4-6, 1996 Dallas, Texas, USA.
< 1225828411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wave-particle duality
< 1225828413 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it
< 1225828426 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sounds a lot like pseudoscience
< 1225828453 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he believes in ghosts, homeopathy, and that speed of light is not the maximum attainable speed.
< 1225828464 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, i can't raed his writings
< 1225828464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: he's an idiot
< 1225828466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*read
< 1225828475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so the last one could be true if all the physics we know is wrong
< 1225828481 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T YOU KNOW GHOSTS ARE REAL OKLOPOL?
< 1225828484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the former is ...
< 1225828485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's stupid
< 1225828488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's ... fine
< 1225828494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but homeopathy is provably bullshit
< 1225828497 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens when a ghost dies?
< 1225828499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ghosts could be true if everything else we know are wrong as well
< 1225828505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah
< 1225828506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: rebirth.  sheesh.
< 1225828507 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it make a ghost ghost?
< 1225828507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree ehird
< 1225828528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, what about reasonable (i.e. not creation-science nonsense) christian scientists?
< 1225828542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they believe in similarly silly stuff, I don't think it makes their _science_ any less reasonable
< 1225828573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but um yeah that guy sounds like a crackpot
< 1225828581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidence for mobility of immunoglobulins domains obtained by spin-label method.
< 1225828586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immunoglobulins, man
< 1225828608 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm no doctor
< 1225828614 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I won't say anything about this
< 1225828625 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I AM BATMAN
< 1225828642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to say anything really, i don't understand a word of that.
< 1225828684 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immunoglobulins sounds like it could exist
< 1225828700 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a swedish scientist recently contacted him about a theory of his about the form of the electron
< 1225828718 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it shaped like a mystical symbol?
< 1225828719 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :said he had made the exact same conclusion in his experiments
< 1225828719 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :== antibodies, says wp
< 1225828738 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have been educated stupid
< 1225828767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ehird> AnMaster: Well, what about reasonable (i.e. not creation-science nonsense) christian scientists? <-- I don't know enough about them to be able to answer that question
< 1225828771 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://timecube.com/
< 1225828781 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old
< 1225828783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: careful, AnMaster will whine for days if you talk about timecube
< 1225828793 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not old, classic and pertinent
< 1225828794 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because he's educated stupid
< 1225828804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION borrows oerjan's frying pan
< 1225828810 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey!
< 1225828811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps jayCampbell ----###
< 1225828824 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the frying pan that's the flyswatter
< 1225828828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh
< 1225828844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the frying pan ===\__/
< 1225828845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains why it was so light
< 1225828864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION borrows the frying pan too and use it on jayCampbell ===\__/
< 1225828869 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ===\________/
< 1225828877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes
< 1225828883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives oerjan the frying pan and the fly swatter bacjk
< 1225828884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back*
< 1225828929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bulked again ===\/\/ :(
< 1225828942 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
< 1225828951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits oerjan with a smiley :)
< 1225828968 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       _  __________=__
< 1225828968 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        \\@([____]_____()
< 1225828968 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       _/\|-[____]
< 1225828968 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      /     /(( )
< 1225828968 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     /____|'----'
< 1225828969 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     \____/
< 1225828971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my :------------D's make more damage
< 1225828983 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a gun?
< 1225828986 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a thin penis
< 1225828987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to say without the spaces
< 1225828989 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8======D
< 1225829006 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: you have a strange nose
< 1225829021 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never should have abandoned fixed width fonts
< 1225829031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never abandoned them
< 1225829032 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't
< 1225829041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i never will
< 1225829064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-fixed size fonts make no sense
< 1225829067 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then your irc client is eating spaces
< 1225829068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should be killed.
< 1225829071 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1225829084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my irc client sucks, it's a naughty irc client.
< 1225829093 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i'm sayin
< 1225829096 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :................................................_,,,,-------,,,__
< 1225829096 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :........................................,,;:#ggg@@g;,..........�`=-,
< 1225829096 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..................................,,;$#^`````*#@@@g;,.............�=-,
< 1225829096 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...............................,/$`................``#@@@#g,...............�\,
< 1225829096 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :........................._,;f`.......................,$@@@@#g,..............�\,
< 1225829097 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....................,/*&gp..+,_..................%*#@@@@g;,............�\,
< 1225829099 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :................,./_`�>�.....`#$$#x;,............,%@@@@@#g;,..........`\
< 1225829101 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..............,/ (.............`\....`\�*=,``\.......*&*%@@@@@g;,..........\
< 1225829103 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...........,/...,^=*#q,_,/`\.......`~..`-.......g$@@@@@@@#g,........|
< 1225829105 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :........../,;p8jq;,_..........;.........................`%@@@@@@@#g;....|
< 1225829107 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :........,/.f,,,,_..`*8r-,.....;......................,&@@@@@@@@@#./
< 1225829107 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: so... did you read any of the physics articles?
< 1225829109 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :......./.,$ `\,...`.-...&..../........................`%@@@@@@@@$#/
< 1225829111 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....,/,$--__........`\..../............................#$@@@##@@@@/
< 1225829113 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...,/\...`�t-,__,;>`..../.........................................;`=��=.`;@#*
< 1225829115 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : . <--        You are here
< 1225829115 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.,/....`�~--~`��....-`...................................,--�,~#-,.._*�`
< 1225829117 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(..........................................................,....`��......,;`
< 1225829119 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.`\,_.....................................................&`*-,,_-�`
< 1225829121 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......`-,_................................................./
< 1225829123 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.............\..................................................|.
< 1225829125 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I did not
< 1225829127 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm watching Batman
< 1225829140 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Treasure ------------------ >  X
< 1225829145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that.
< 1225829147 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Batman, watching
< 1225829149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: is that in latin-1, some of the chars don't come out properly and my client's set to utf-8
< 1225829166 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iunno
< 1225829185 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament : Actually, in this movie, Batman is watching an old love interest
< 1225829188 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty creepy
< 1225829372 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225829400 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225829479 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225829693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<jayCampbell> you never should have abandoned fixed width fonts <-- who would have done that?
< 1225829712 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The jewish plot
< 1225829720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Me.
< 1225829769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you're stuppit i hate you :<
< 1225829776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you too oklopol
< 1225829783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, how romantic
< 1225829786 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you always one more
< 1225829816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "MARRY ME OKLOPOL BECAUSE YOU ARE STUPPID AND HATEWORTHY LIKE ME"
< 1225829914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway whatever it was Slereah posted above is just odd
< 1225829923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it supposed to be?
< 1225829923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :facepalm
< 1225829943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lines doesn't even match up
< 1225829949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :facepalm.
< 1225829969 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a facepalm
< 1225829976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looked like one in this font.
< 1225829977 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Grieving_Jew
< 1225829977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1225829983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225829992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, what is it with you and yews?
< 1225830005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yews
< 1225830009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor trees
< 1225830010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1225830016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yitler. :'(
< 1225830037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Godwin's law.
< 1225830042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(variant)
< 1225830047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Shut up, yazi.
< 1225830073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang on, this is IRC, how do I lock the thread?
< 1225830076 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yodwin's law
< 1225830080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :----------------------------------------- THREAD LOCKED -----------------------------------------
< 1225830082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1225830085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEWS
< 1225830085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to talk about something else
< 1225830095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, silence the TRUTH ABOUT YAZIS
< 1225830096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: stop resurrecting dead threads in a new thread
< 1225830102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits 5 years
< 1225830104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUMP
< 1225830105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEWS
< 1225830121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (a):*:*:*:*:*:*(:)~^S
< 1225830121 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ...too much output!
< 1225830125 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YUDEN
< 1225830144 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1225830182 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (Yews)S
< 1225830182 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yews
< 1225830185 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEWS
< 1225830253 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your yoke is not funny
< 1225830278 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no funny egg
< 1225830313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eggs don't have yokes, they have yolks
< 1225830321 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close enough
< 1225830334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what? I use a yoystick not a yoke
< 1225830335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I fly
< 1225830356 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on yoyous occasions, i assume
< 1225830357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, yoke is a control found in aircrafts
< 1225830374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, nah I'm just a flightsim fan
< 1225830387 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know that
< 1225830387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I do it even if it isn't a yoyous occasion
< 1225830388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yews yews yews yews yews
< 1225830394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Godwin!
< 1225830399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yodwin
< 1225830402 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the orginal meaning of yoke
< 1225830414 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yokes are for yaks and yoxen
< 1225830421 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yews ):S
< 1225830428 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (Yews ):S
< 1225830428 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yews
< 1225830434 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man I'm no good at this
< 1225830437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((yews )S:^):^
< 1225830437 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews yews  ...too much output!
< 1225830438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm
< 1225830449 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1225830450 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird
< 1225830453 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I <3 U
< 1225830456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Ayoke
< 1225830459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why thank you
< 1225830459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1225830481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, seems it have lots of meanings
< 1225830551 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1225830803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523 again
< 1225830841 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do a lot of wobbling
< 1225830946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :routers here are either dodgy, or paranoid, I think
< 1225830960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it normally takes me about 5 mins to convince them I'm allowed on the network
< 1225830978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not both? </dogbert>
< 1225831251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm report the issue?
< 1225831275 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he is afraid it'll work as well as the doors
< 1225831295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to who?
< 1225831298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the University?
< 1225831306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, the Door is broken again, physically this time
< 1225831397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe try an exorcist this time
< 1225831408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably we need a door engineer
< 1225831420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is amused at how badly you can mess up a door, I mean it's only a door...
< 1225831484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the door is broken? How did you get in then?
< 1225831514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are three doors, all of which lead to different problems
< 1225831516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is the Door, the main one
< 1225831521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is broken atm
< 1225831537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's the back door, which lets people out any time of day but only in during working hours, that's the one I got in via
< 1225831560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's the basement door which needs a swipe card to get through in either direction, and most of the time it isn't configured to let anyone through
< 1225831615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there are the two doors guarded by a knight and a knave
< 1225831651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't found those yet, but if I do, I should be able to get through easily, I've read most of Smullyan's stuff
< 1225831671 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unless they are the xkcd kinds
< 1225831683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the xkcd kind of knight/knave door
< 1225831753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there is a third person
< 1225831756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who stabs people who ask tricky questions
< 1225831761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there is no way out.
< 1225831767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1225831804 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the question "If I asked you if this is a safe door to go through, what would you say?" is a good trick to solve most of the puzzles of that nature
< 1225831823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1225831825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and isn't even exactly a tricky question, people do that sort of thing in RL on occasion
< 1225831828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1225831830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works
< 1225831834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you always get the right answer, right?
< 1225831837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1225831842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever, cleve.
< 1225831842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r
< 1225831843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if they would lie, they lie twice
< 1225831847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1225831856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always thought of really complex solutions to those
< 1225831888 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/246/
< 1225832137 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0327.html
< 1225832291 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0565.html
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< 1225832409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=807#comic
< 1225833024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/7b9gb/be_careful_what_you_wish_for/c066k4b
< 1225833932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais524
< 1225834132 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, an increment!
< 1225834153 0 :ais524!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1225834153 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can this mean?
< 1225834158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew
< 1225834171 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais20c
< 1225834180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I accidentally got trapped in a room with some unary operators
< 1225834186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing I didn't hit the bitwise-NOT
< 1225834194 0 :ais20c!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :comex
< 1225834230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hex! burn the witch!
< 1225834576 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what do you burn apart from witches?
< 1225834740 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :books, small animals, yews...
< 1225834816 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the occasional orca
< 1225834835 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CDs of open-source operating systems, mostly
< 1225834876 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's something everyone can agree on
< 1225834965 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1225834967 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yews.
< 1225835351 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1225836698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Et cetera, et cetera"
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< 1225837958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1225837977 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psognosfove
< 1225837982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what are you winking at out of the blue?
< 1225838010 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a gay signal, ais523
< 1225838021 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's signaling his presence to the gay male, psygnisfive
< 1225838039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in just two characters? that's pretty golfy
< 1225838041 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION licks oklopol
< 1225838097 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gay golf? that's a new one
< 1225838122 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's do a "Hello, sailor!" in gay golf
< 1225838218 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you could get much shorter than oklopol's ";)" though
< 1225838242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just read 3 pages of random bash content, and you made me laugh more without even trying.
< 1225838247 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there an unicode penis character?
< 1225838251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: bash is working again?
< 1225838267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know about again, but it's working, yes
< 1225838297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was broken for ages
< 1225838325 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE STONE AGE?
< 1225838340 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bash is pretty infuriating on one point
< 1225838350 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number one quote is incredibly lame
< 1225838359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link i'm too lazy
< 1225838367 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bash.org/?top
< 1225838383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8|
< 1225838396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've done that multiple times in here, often for multiple pages.
< 1225838415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know that was on top
< 1225838425 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is lame
< 1225838427 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAAAAME
< 1225838482 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next ones are pretty good
< 1225838497 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're okay
< 1225838505 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, the top quotes are meg
< 1225838508 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1225838631 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, those are at least theoretically funny, although i didn't exactly laught at them; most of bash it complete utter bullshit that makes me want to eat coal and poop diamonds
< 1225838665 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then again, is there any moment when you don't feel like that
< 1225838751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, good point
< 1225838759 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for different raisins
< 1225838817 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raisins
< 1225838858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i like raisins
< 1225838890 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh looks like it's time to sleap
< 1225838891 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1225839458 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shup.com/Shup/78118/screencap-Unnamed-document-4-Inkscape-108104145651.png
< 1225839468 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for http://www.bigzaphod.org/taxi/
< 1225839495 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw :D
< 1225839495 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adorable
< 1225839506 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much better than that lazy bird logo by that talentless hack
< 1225839510 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE
< 1225839520 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did the COW linked from there too
< 1225839521 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most esolangs lack a good logo
< 1225839527 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this happens when i'm in boring conference calls
< 1225839542 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's next
< 1225839581 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a languages logo should not have a larger file size than its compiler, documentation and all known example code
< 1225839724 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee, sean posted the logo already
< 1225839776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Much better than that lazy bird logo by that talentless hack
< 1225839776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:58] Slereah: YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE
< 1225839778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: meeeeee
< 1225839779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1225839781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i LIKED IT
< 1225839803 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to make a real logo
< 1225839811 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the silhouette of a mockingbird
< 1225839815 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am also talentless :(
< 1225839830 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1225839840 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inkscape makes it easy
< 1225840060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: its townsberg
< 1225840062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not townsville
< 1225840063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1225840080 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DELETE THIS PICTURE, IT IS WRONG
< 1225840098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225840313 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1225840955 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doh
< 1225840970 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's to say it's not BOTH
< 1225840978 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get the townsville mayor on the line
< 1225841013 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Townsvilole is the sister city of Townsberg
< 1225841020 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they program in Brainfuck
< 1225841034 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shup.com/Shup/78119/screencap-CDocuments-and-SettingsjayDesktop3code-programming-language-logo.svg-Inkscape-108104152316.png
< 1225841047 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going for Jeans and wound up with American McDonald's
< 1225841072 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that logo?
< 1225841085 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours for a modest fee
< 1225841109 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for http://www.bigzaphod.org/3code/
< 1225841119 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't help but round out this guy's esolang logo collection
< 1225841132 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I want to own the logo of a language you made up?
< 1225841140 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not mine
< 1225841635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: did the townsville people vote obama or mccain?
< 1225841641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Mayorpopple The Third
< 1225841652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comedy option: Ron Paul
< 1225841687 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ron Paul didn't run.
< 1225841701 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comedy option is this : http://www.objectivistparty.us/
< 1225842033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: write-in ron paul, DUH
< 1225842038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, objectivist party is hilarious
< 1225842823 0 :ab5tract_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1225842956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Who here is able to vote in the US, and who voted? :-P
< 1225842985 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even in the US
< 1225842988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor I.
< 1225843382 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+"
< 1225844066 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :townsville is solidly blue
< 1225844096 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately there was only one vehicle to escort voters to the polls
< 1225844118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
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< 1225847622 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :270 electoral votes to win.  OBAMA 77  -----  MCCAIN 34
< 1225847629 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@"
< 1225848566 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :270 electoral votes to win.  OBAMA 81  -----  MCCAIN 34
< 1225849108 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :270 electoral votes to win.  PALIN 81  -----  MCCAIN 34
< 1225849310 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :270 electoral votes to win.  OBAMA 102  -----  MCCAIN 34
< 1225850343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. hi GregorR /lament
< 1225850481 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :270 electoral votes to win.  CNN says: OBAMA 102  -----  MCCAIN 43
< 1225850486 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lo
< 1225850533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usa elections amirite
< 1225850581 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh
< 1225850592 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of us are Americans :P
< 1225850646 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DID YOU VOTE
< 1225850648 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :270 electoral votes to win.  CNN says: OBAMA 174  -----  MCCAIN 49
< 1225850652 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR THE OBJECTIVIST PARTY
< 1225850794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't vote, but for one simple reason...
< 1225850805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My absentee ballot came in just in time to mock me.
< 1225850817 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Haha, you won't get me in on time!"
< 1225851265 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :270 electoral votes to win.  CNN says:  OBAMA 174  -----  MCCAIN 64
< 1225851726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey bitches
< 1225851738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: DID YOU VOTE FOR GregorR
< 1225851740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES YOU DID
< 1225851755 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I voted for Rick Astley
< 1225851800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225851820 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he won, too :D
< 1225851826 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best act ever on MTV
< 1225851834 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be the 10th, IIRC
< 1225851836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lost the game
< 1225851838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND LOST THE ELECTION :( (nah)
< 1225851843 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going to be so awesome
< 1225851884 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/images/2008/11/04/herrings_all_the_way.jpg
< 1225851886 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1225851974 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :270 electoral votes to win.  CNN says:  OBAMA 174  -----  MCCAIN 69
< 1225852666 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :270 electoral votes to win.  CNN says:  OBAMA 194  -----  MCCAIN 69
< 1225852884 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :270 electoral votes to win.  CNN/Google:  OBAMA 194/175  -----  MCCAIN 69/61
< 1225853171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: um
< 1225853176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7697829.stm
< 1225853178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use that
< 1225853182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the bbc, the bbc are cool
< 1225853183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1225853201 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloody effing grall
< 1225853215 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BBC is a pretty cool guy
< 1225853384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'mon obama, just win, kthx
< 1225853388 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :270 electoral votes to win.  CNN/Google:  OBAMA 199/195  -----  MCCAIN 78/70
< 1225853462 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :270 electoral votes to win.  CNN/Google:  SHRIMP 199/195  -----  HERRING 78/70
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< 1225853512 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how the BBC has a color for 3rd parties
< 1225853521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1225853522 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :270 erectoral votes to win.  CNN/Google:  SHRIMP 199/195  -----  HERRING 78/70
< 1225853523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so useless :D
< 1225853523 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a third party is ever going to have anything anywhere
< 1225853539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :270 erections required to win.
< 1225853582 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :270 erections required to win. CNN 199/195  -----  GOOGLE 78/70
< 1225853900 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huge erections going on?
< 1225853933 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, huge erections in america
< 1225853942 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like CNN is winning
< 1225853967 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't blame me, I voted for Rick Astley
< 1225854424 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fora.tv/2008/02/19/Neil_DeGrasse_Tyson_Death_by_Black_Hole
< 1225854426 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WATCH IT
< 1225854429 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :270 electoral votes to win.  CNN/Google:  OBAMA 207/202  -----  MCCAIN 89/75
< 1225855308 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :270 electoral votes to win. Everyone agrees that Obama has at LEAST 200 (even FOX!), and there are 73 freebies for Obama on the west coast. In short: OBAMA WINS!
< 1225855338 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1225857676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OBAMA
< 1225857679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WPMMMMMMMMM
< 1225857683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WONNNNNN
< 1225857748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: :D
< 1225857781 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^
< 1225858815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Obama won.
< 1225858819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Obama won. Fuck yeah.
< 1225859503 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :McCain's conceded, rather than recount. Fuck yeah. | Obama won. Fuck yeah.
< 1225861224 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1225865713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refuse to know what all this commotion was about.
< 1225865746 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea
< 1225865796 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mccain? well i know what a *cane* is. osama was the tower guy. these fuck yeahs are probably just science fiction
< 1225865815 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1225865868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lickture ->
< 1225868477 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.conservapedia.com/Barack_Obama // Hahahaha, this is so over-the-top-libelous it's not so much offensive as surreal :P
< 1225869428 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kids
< 1225869499 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: what does this mean "which most Christians would not retain."
< 1225869680 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most Christians would not keep that as their middle name
< 1225869729 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1225869769 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some shitty english right there
< 1225869787 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1225870162 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not shitty at all
< 1225870166 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its perfectly fine and understandable
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< 1225870517 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: no it's not
< 1225870527 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1225870553 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a relative clause
< 1225870558 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it not fine and understandable?
< 1225870593 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like most christians would not retain hussien
< 1225870642 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes i can see what you mean
< 1225870646 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there is ambiguity this is true
< 1225870653 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that sort of construction is quite common in english.
< 1225870715 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothign grammatically wrong with the way it is written.
< 1225870725 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing, too.
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< 1225879153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay Obama! :)
< 1225879882 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
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< 1225895419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_
< 1225895529 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225895535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol that conservapedia article
< 1225895538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is amazing
< 1225896690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Obama won. Fuck yeah. | But Prop 8 passed. lol@usa
< 1225897122 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's prop 8=
< 1225897123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1225897131 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-116-191.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225897158 0 :omniscient_idiot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gay marriage
< 1225897184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, and passing would be which way exactly?
< 1225897190 0 :omniscient_idiot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1225897243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: a while back (ages ago), california allowed gay marraige
< 1225897249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prop 8 has passed, and it's reversing that
< 1225897256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kcra.com/california-proposition-8/index.html
< 1225897263 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah okay.
< 1225897298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol@usa kinda gave away they removed gays and not the other way
< 1225897321 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as i didn't remember they existed in the first place
< 1225897325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah californum
< 1225898382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITT: UK government surveillence reaches the internet http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3384743/Internet-black-boxes-to-record-every-email-and-website-visit.html
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< 1225899981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1225900033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird
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< 1225900305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was awake at 5am yesterday x_x
< 1225900336 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah we know
< 1225900351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so was I
< 1225900379 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sleep cycle is pretty normal nowadays :<
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< 1225903149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so im wholesale ripping off jayCampbell
< 1225903154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and writing a brainfuck-program-generator
< 1225903155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^.^
< 1225903157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1225903164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think i could breed programs to hello world?
< 1225903181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was managed for Malbolge once, BF seems like it would be easier
< 1225903223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just generate random programs for now
< 1225903224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1225903228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I could rip the interpreter out of bff.c
< 1225903234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although then I'd have to code t he generator in c
< 1225903238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be nice and fast but ..
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< 1225905078 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Californians will burn in hell for passing Prop 8.  This will be nicely ironic.
< 1225905155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, using capitals?
< 1225905157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unheard of!
< 1225905163 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ey? what?
< 1225905173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: whaddya mean what
< 1225905184 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why will it burn in hell now?
< 1225905193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cause prop 8 is evil, presumably
< 1225905207 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well banning gay marriage is bad mkay
< 1225905209 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1225905223 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont see what oerjans talking about
< 1225905234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how you can not see what he's talking about?
< 1225905241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: tongue too much in cheek, affects capitalization
< 1225905241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's plain, simple english... do you have troubles with it?
< 1225905245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1225905250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you might wanna get that checked out
< 1225905252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds painful
< 1225905266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: the irony is the theory that God vehemently disagrees with fundamentalist Christians
< 1225905286 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see
< 1225905286 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but _still_ burns people in hell
< 1225906201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajohnhart/sets/72157608561494488/ creepy
< 1225906494 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barack obama, now as grey goo
< 1225906591 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whole new meaning to the term obamabots
< 1225906605 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an old meaning?
< 1225906620 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1225906627 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who mindlessly supported obama
< 1225906739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://colony14.net/id53.html
< 1225906744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"November 4 is getting close, and unless something dramatic happens it looks like Barack Hussein (“I am not a Kenyan”) Obama, Jr. (alias Barry “I am not an Indonesian” Soetoro) will become the next President of the United States."
< 1225906765 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soetoro is a cool name
< 1225906766 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that any worse than being mindlessly american?
< 1225906779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barack hussein i am not a kenyan obama, jr.
< 1225906781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka
< 1225906784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barry i am not an indonesian soetoro
< 1225906805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, anyone else here noticed that Obama seems to use British English not American English?
< 1225906833 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :british english? since when?
< 1225906834 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Is that such a *bad* thing?
< 1225906837 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his accent was not british
< 1225906838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so
< 1225906844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he seems to give off more of a british vibe than american, for some reason
< 1225906849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The reason is that he's a communist terrorist.)
< 1225906856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: he said "autumn" rather than "fall" referring to the season in his victory speech
< 1225906869 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autumn is acceptable parlance in america
< 1225906879 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less common, but not unheard of either.
< 1225906890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I suppose so
< 1225906895 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while british english exclusively uses autumn, and fall isnt even acceptable
< 1225906900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he doesn't have much of an american accent
< 1225906901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FALL IS UnACCEPTABLE
< 1225906905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*UNACCEPTABLE
< 1225906911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FASCIST BRITS :O
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< 1225907139 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/cgi-bin/poll.pl?a=7
< 1225907169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1225907255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while i voted for Obama, i do agree the Allosaurus was probably the second best in that election
< 1225907277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Ron Paul won. Fuck yeah.
< 1225907283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/agree/think/
< 1225907284 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1225907301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the internet is always right
< 1225907328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: is that a quote of something?
< 1225907344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what, ron paul?
< 1225907350 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225907364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ron paul was the official presidential candidate of the annoying internet for the longest time
< 1225907372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially reddit&digg
< 1225907374 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the Fuck yeah
< 1225907383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i put that there when obama won
< 1225907383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1225907443 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the annoying internet
< 1225907450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225907451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that needs to be an acronym
< 1225907455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAI
< 1225907459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't trip off the tounge
< 1225907522 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Looking ahead to 2010, House and Senate Democrats will be jealously eyeing Obama’s e-mail lists and technology secrets"
< 1225907534 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obama apparently operates a high tech research facility
< 1225907597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally
< 1225907599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should imagine the republicans would be eyeing them even more jealously
< 1225907635 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think
< 1225907645 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obama people dont have to be rational tho
< 1225907658 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://daringfireball.net/2008/11/the_fantastic_monument
< 1225907661 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case in point
< 1225907667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yeah 'cause mccain supporters are way more rational
< 1225907671 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure they would love to use his funding method
< 1225907685 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: oh, no, they're worse
< 1225907687 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a given
< 1225907699 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its hardly worth mentioning
< 1225907704 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :republicans are by default nutjobs
< 1225907711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: there's nothing that inherently makes obama/mccain supporters irrational, although mccain supporters have a better chance due to the candidate they support...
< 1225907720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's just a case of that most people are pretty stupid
< 1225907730 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1225907748 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just tired of hearing people pour their hopes and dreams into this one person
< 1225907756 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as tho hes some sort of magical panacea
< 1225907769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give them some slack, they've had bush for 8 years
< 1225907802 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1225907806 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its like
< 1225907810 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my roommate was like
< 1225907817 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I VOTED FOR OBAMA BECAUSE OBAMA IS FOR CHANGE
< 1225907818 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1225907819 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHANGE
< 1225907821 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRR
< 1225907828 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when i asked him what sort of change he was like
< 1225907834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHANGEY CHANGE
< 1225907834 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i dont actually KNOW ok
< 1225907835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORON
< 1225907836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D
< 1225907842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1225907845 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and im not exaggerating either
< 1225907849 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i was
< 1225907851 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats what he said
< 1225907857 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he didnt even know
< 1225907862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just ask python who to vote, it knows every time
< 1225907872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: who did it say
< 1225907884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1225907894 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt you care much about the elections i've voted in
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< 1225907894 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1225907901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1225907913 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wabi!
< 1225907917 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1225907919 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wabi
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< 1225907942 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1225907943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt you care much about the elections i've voted in
< 1225907981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: run it on the us election
< 1225908023 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, has ais sussed the program yet?
< 1225908060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: nope.
< 1225908065 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame
< 1225908069 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should add more stuff to the competition
< 1225908072 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its no fun otherwise
< 1225908328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: python says mccain
< 1225908339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what algorithm
< 1225908347 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random.choice.
< 1225908354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i was hoping you'd have an awesomely okoy algorithm to do it
< 1225908364 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm aiming for that @ next election
< 1225908381 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just i decided this is my way to vote like one day before the election i voted in.
< 1225908553 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random voting seems a little weak.  what you want for true chaos is something like geohashing for politics.  then many people will vote the same way, but randomly.
< 1225908573 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut
< 1225908583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1225908615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will _really_ screw up the predictions
< 1225908820 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i are tired :(
< 1225908834 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :berb
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< 1225909893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are you ignoring me?
< 1225909893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i like that
< 1225909900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not I got a question
< 1225909904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but i sould be
< 1225909907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*should
< 1225909907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what
< 1225909937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have been trying to find out how to get length of an unicode string in python, in chars not bytes, for about half an hour without luck
< 1225909944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since I know you are good at python
< 1225909947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :len(s)
< 1225909950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225909964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :len(x) = length of x, for any x where that makes sense
< 1225909969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1225909971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calls "magic method" x.__len__()
< 1225910020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes I did look at the unicode and string class docs without luck. thanks a lot
< 1225910021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1225910048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :np.
< 1225910152 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@89.108.246.61 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225910155 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOO!
< 1225910178 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEAN!
< 1225910192 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what can a Polish foreigner say about the US election.
< 1225910206 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably nothing
< 1225910214 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someguy won, that's fine, Someotherguy lost, that's fine, BUT WHAT ISN'T FINE IS...
< 1225910229 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US election was talked about more here than our Polish election!
< 1225910231 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that's weird
< 1225910239 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No-one cared about the polish election
< 1225910245 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And everyone cares about the US one!
< 1225910255 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats because poland isnt the worlds largest supporter of international terrorism.
< 1225910308 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, how's Esolangs?
< 1225910313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because nobody cares about poland
< 1225910319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i just got an idea that is easy and could work and would be cool
< 1225910321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rare.
< 1225910325 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1225910331 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh at is it
< 1225910336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is cool.
< 1225910337 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird tell tell :D
< 1225910341 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell or you'll die
< 1225910351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i want to quickly hack up a test of it first to maake sure it might work
< 1225910352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no fear
< 1225910355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall tell imminently.
< 1225910356 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1225910359 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10...
< 1225910361 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9...
< 1225910362 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8...
< 1225910363 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7...
< 1225910364 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6...
< 1225910366 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5...
< 1225910367 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4...
< 1225910369 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPEE...
< 1225910369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also asiekierka just dequalified himself
< 1225910371 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPOO...
< 1225910372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by spamming
< 1225910375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*disqualified
< 1225910376 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPONE!
< 1225910377 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION got kicked
< 1225910379 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1225910384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god.
< 1225910385 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1225910396 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@89.108.246.61 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225910405 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just kidding *cough*sadly*COUGH*
< 1225910416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what happened to optbot?
< 1225910421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not here? huh.
< 1225910435 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god
< 1225910436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid unstable POS
< 1225910442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: why?
< 1225910445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot is awesome.
< 1225910448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone loves optbot.
< 1225910453 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot was annoying
< 1225910460 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as annoying as SeppBot in #compling but
< 1225910461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody else agrees with you.
< 1225910468 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, now there's thutubot back!
< 1225910468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so  tough shit, i'm restarting it
< 1225910468 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MURDER!
< 1225910475 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THUTUBOT MURDERED OPTBOT!
< 1225910481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you asiekierka.
< 1225910487 0 :optbot!n=optbot@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225910487 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I love you
< 1225910493 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh-oh
< 1225910507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: test
< 1225910508 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it stars 'oko' and 'kok' this one does
< 1225910513 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guess what
< 1225910516 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :michael crichton is dead
< 1225910531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool.
< 1225910543 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was a horrible author
< 1225910576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also topic, why Ron Paul of all the possible choices?
< 1225910587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because ron paul is the Comedy Internet Option
< 1225910597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles
< 1225910608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was all over reddit/digg/whatever
< 1225910646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok, I usually don't read such sites, however I wonders, why did they focus on him?
< 1225910656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz everybody loved him.
< 1225910663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz he was all OH CONSTITUTION
< 1225910680 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also he's a gold-standard-moron, and that's always funny :P
< 1225910689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225911224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[]
< 1225911224 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225911229 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1225911238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, that's really funny
< 1225911240 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@89.108.246.61 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225911264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka wrote an infiniloop in #IRP, I copied it to fungot over here to figure out what it did, and then asiekierka quit...
< 1225911265 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no one will ever have to consider it trivial to extract the information automatically declared) 13 lines. unfortunately, that foundation is often incomplete.
< 1225911278 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: My IRC crashed
< 1225911294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because it was trying to run an infiniloop was the implication
< 1225911309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a few of the bots in here used to /quit if you infinilooped them
< 1225911314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that doesn't happen nowadays
< 1225911317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (:^):^
< 1225911318 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1225911319 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1225911324 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i understand the joke
< 1225911398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (-)(-)((:S(|)S:(~)~a*^*)~a*^:^):^
< 1225911399 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-|--|---|-----|--------|-------------|---------------------|----------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------- ...too much output!
< 1225911413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: awesome
< 1225911427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I think there are shorter ways, that was just idiomatic
< 1225911455 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1225911467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: Unlambda or Underload?
< 1225911472 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda.
< 1225911476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1225911478 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda this time
< 1225911482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know lambda calculus?
< 1225911485 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nno.
< 1225911496 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5th grade elementary
< 1225911502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it's best to learn that first, or getting your head around Unlambda is basically impossible, so I'll teach you now
< 1225911509 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1225911514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more an esolang basis than something you're taught at school
< 1225911519 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1225911530 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{if anyone wants to comment, feel free!}}
< 1225911538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, in imperative langs like BF, you write down the commands you want in the order they happen, and you have things like loops and ifs to make them happen in a different order
< 1225911545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have variables to store data
< 1225911548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the tape in BF)
< 1225911554 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In lambda calculus, you don't have variables...?
< 1225911558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225911569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only variables you have in lambda calculus are the params to functions
< 1225911570 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the result of the code itself is the output, right?
< 1225911580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in "pure" lambda calculus, yes
< 1225911593 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda includes an output function though
< 1225911596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although some lambda-calculus-based langs like Unlambda have side-effect output functions
< 1225911600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're "impure"
< 1225911611 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225911619 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, now the lambda calculus basis
< 1225911626 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it work
< 1225911631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's based on the concept of functions, first of all
< 1225911631 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, only params to functions
< 1225911636 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (-|)(~:S(-)~*~:^):^
< 1225911638 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-|--|---|----|-----|------|-------|--------|---------|----------|-----------|------------|-------------|--------------|---------------| ...too much output!
< 1225911639 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225911644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to be able to store data, get another functoin and pass it as a param
< 1225911651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that was fibonacci
< 1225911652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can make functions at will
< 1225911654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, the tricky parts:
< 1225911657 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1225911664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can generate functions at runtime, from templates
< 1225911669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can pass functions as arguments
< 1225911673 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1225911686 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1225911694 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "generate functions at runtime, from templates"?
< 1225911698 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, at runtime
< 1225911700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's do 99bob in a hypothetical high-level lambda calculus lang, to give you some idea of how it works
< 1225911704 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what do you mean by templates
< 1225911711 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, ais523
< 1225911714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: basically, they're like functions but with things missing
< 1225911724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers, functions, or other fill-in-the-gaps stuff
< 1225911728 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1225911734 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what about the 99bob thing
< 1225911738 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1225911745 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, ignore the Yes
< 1225911759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, to print one bottle of beer, you could do a function like this (hypothetical syntax)
< 1225911793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda(a) {print a, " bottles of beer on the wall,\n", a, "bottles of beer,\ntake one down, pass it around,\n", a-1, "bottles of beer on the wall.\n"}
< 1225911803 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1225911813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice and simple, basically the same as in an imperative lang
< 1225911816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only difference is we have the lambda operator here that creates a function with no name
< 1225911821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we can pass it around like a variable
< 1225911825 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And {} is the function
< 1225911831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this syntax, yes
< 1225911835 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we can repeat it 99 times, and here we go, it's the 99bob program
< 1225911851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, 99 times with different arguments, but that's normally considered cheating when writing 99bob
< 1225911856 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1225911859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to use some kind of loop, normally
< 1225911868 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But i mean, repeat at runtime
< 1225911870 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do it recursively
< 1225911876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no looping constructs; in an imperative lang, you'd use recursion
< 1225911889 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code is some kind of thing which pastes the var 99 times, and executes it
< 1225911892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like function b(x) {lambda(a){...}(x); b(x-1);}
< 1225911900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work in lambda calculs because the functions don't have names
< 1225911905 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok
< 1225911917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still do recursion, but it's a bit trickier
< 1225911928 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1225911935 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursion is possible in LC, just not conveniently
< 1225911944 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, psygnisfive.
< 1225911945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, another quick python question: I looked more closely this time, I need to check if a string contain a #, I guess the __contains__ is what I want, (looked at help(unicode)). But I'm not sure, and what is the "special" way to call the __contains__ one then?
< 1225911951 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YC is recursive.
< 1225911956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose I have lambda(f,x){f(f,x);}, which is a function I'll call sii for reasons which become clear later
< 1225911969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: '#' in string
< 1225911971 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, a recursive version would probably look very YC.
< 1225911971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think you should read a basic tutorial.
< 1225911972 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ish
< 1225911974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, if I apply that with a function and an arg as its first argumetn
< 1225911983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you are probably right :)
< 1225911985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a function as its first arg, an arg as its second
< 1225911989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: try http://diveintopython.org/
< 1225911995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1225912001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll give the function /itself/ as an /argument/
< 1225912010 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1225912016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully I don't have to code too much in this, I can't say I like the language, but there was no alternative
< 1225912039 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it basically runs itself by carrying the params
< 1225912047 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is a function
< 1225912052 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais' version is basically it. if sii has a conditional recursion within it, e.g. if x = 0 ... else sii(sii,x-1)
< 1225912055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, lambda(f,x){f(f,x)}(lambda(b,a){lambda(x){...}(a); b(a-1)})(99)
< 1225912059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes
< 1225912067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the information you need, you carry in params
< 1225912070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What are you using it for?
< 1225912074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a function needs to loop, it needs to call itself
< 1225912077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it needs itself as a param
< 1225912089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the ... prints out one line of bottle of beer)
< 1225912096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is the bot framework pywikipediabot, I needed to code a custom wikipedia bot to use on a wiki I edit
< 1225912106 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225912109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There are bot frameworks for other langs
< 1225912118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Python is good, so. :p
< 1225912121 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand
< 1225912135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah but I already use several scripts for pywikipediabot, changing wouldn't be that easy.
< 1225912144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's basically a high-level language using lambda calculus for control flow
< 1225912149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda is very low-level, though
< 1225912158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are several changes that need to be made
< 1225912166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, Unlambda doesn't allow functions with more than one arg
< 1225912169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a trick to get around that
< 1225912173 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok guys
< 1225912180 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im off to my syntax seminar
< 1225912181 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya
< 1225912182 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make the one arg two args combined?
< 1225912183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider this trivial function: lambda (a,b) {a+b}
< 1225912186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bye psygnisfive
< 1225912193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: that might work, but there's a cleverer way
< 1225912203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember you can generate functions from templates?
< 1225912208 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh... yes
< 1225912218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can change lambda (a,b) {a+b} to lambda(a) { lambda(b) {a+b} }
< 1225912222 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple arguments are abstract anyway you know.
< 1225912233 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda(a,b) is as good as what ais just said
< 1225912233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say I call that function with the arg 2
< 1225912245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yes, I'm trying to explain why though
< 1225912246 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as good as lambda(c) where c = <a,b>
< 1225912250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: shut up
< 1225912254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is trying to explain the basics
< 1225912254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to asiekierka
< 1225912257 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any other shit like that.
< 1225912259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, I get lambda(b) {2+b}
< 1225912260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just adding confusion on to that.
< 1225912266 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good :D
< 1225912266 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1225912278 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and let's say b is five
< 1225912283 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the result is 2+5=7
< 1225912290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then if we give 5 to the resulting function, we get 7
< 1225912305 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok
< 1225912314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of calling it as (lambda (a,b) {a+b})(2,5) with 2 args, it's called as (lambda(a) { lambda(b) {a+b} })(2)(5)
< 1225912317 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225912335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for asiekierka's connection to fix itself
< 1225912388 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@89.108.200.4 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225912392 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..What did i miss
< 1225912400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> instead of calling it as (lambda (a,b) {a+b})(2,5) with 2 args, it's called as (lambda(a) { lambda(b) {a+b} })(2)(5)
< 1225912401 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped on <asiekierka> I see
< 1225912411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped once I noticed you leave
< 1225912411 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok
< 1225912420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what we have here is a function which returns a function
< 1225912435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you give it the first arg, it returns a function that takes the second arg and gives you the result
< 1225912446 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1225912447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, Haskell is based on that principle, as well as a few others, it's called "currying"
< 1225912478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: note that this means that you can't have variable-argument functions
< 1225912486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you can tell when you have the last arg
< 1225912487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, in Unlambda you don't have a semicolon operator or anything like that to combine statements
< 1225912490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if you have to give it a DONE arg
< 1225912495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it can return the final func or itself
< 1225912504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: a bit advanced, but correct
< 1225912504 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1225912513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just to make it more annoying I think
< 1225912517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i tried to say it simply :p
< 1225912522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Unlambda, absolutely everything returns a result
< 1225912531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and things won't run until their result is available
< 1225912536 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even ".a"?
< 1225912544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225912546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Unlambda, everything takes one arg too
< 1225912553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even things that would normally take zero
< 1225912554 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i've once been pondering using d as a special marker for variable-argument functions in unlambda
< 1225912557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.a prints a, and returns its arg
< 1225912562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you are mad
< 1225912569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, a Hello World
< 1225912571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wow
< 1225912573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1225912579 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.h.e.l.l.o.w.o.r.l.dr?
< 1225912593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: needs `
< 1225912594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite, you need to apply the functions in the right order
< 1225912597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do funcarg
< 1225912601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to do `funcarg
< 1225912606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, what ais523 said too
< 1225912632 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``````````.h.e.l.l.o.w.o.r.l.dr?
< 1225912643 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: in my interpreter i instead used an explicit argument count (since you need to count the right number of `s anyhow), but an ending d should have been possible
< 1225912644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`r`.d`.l`.r`.o`.w`.o`.l`.l`.e`.hi
< 1225912653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to run r, it has to calculate its argument first
< 1225912664 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other way also works, but is utterly stupid
< 1225912667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is .d applied to something, it has to calculate /its/ argument first
< 1225912668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1225912673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you end up with `.hi
< 1225912676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which prints h and returns i
< 1225912679 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's i?
< 1225912687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :identity
< 1225912688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :identity function, I could have put anything there
< 1225912689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ix = x
< 1225912695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a placeholder as I need to give the function some argument
< 1225912718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas your program prints hlloworld\n
< 1225912744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, no it doesn't
< 1225912747 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tested in the original unlambda interpreter
< 1225912747 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v2
< 1225912749 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloworld\n
< 1225912750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints helloworld without the final newline
< 1225912759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit complicated how though
< 1225912763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka:
< 1225912764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it first prints h and returns .e
< 1225912766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``````````.h.e.l.l.o.w.o.r.l.d`ri
< 1225912767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should work
< 1225912768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1225912769 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or
< 1225912775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that .e prints e and returns .l
< 1225912777 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :```````````.h.e.l.l.o.w.o.r.l.dri
< 1225912780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225912781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225912784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1225912784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works
< 1225912784 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1225912790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, ```````````.h.e.l.l.o.w.o.r.l.dri should work
< 1225912807 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1225912809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each letter prints itself then returns the next letter, which is then run with the letter after that as its arg and so on
< 1225912809 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got this around
< 1225912823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's more complicated than my version, but has the advantage of running forwards in the source
< 1225912840 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, the major feature of Unlambda is that despite being based on lambda calculus, it doesn't actually have lambdas
< 1225912841 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, brb
< 1225912847 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[going off for a sec]]
< 1225912850 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asie[away]
< 1225912851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ok, I'll wait for you to come back
< 1225912993 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: variable argument functions in unlambda is not mad(der than the rest of the language), it's in fact the only way to get really compact lists
< 1225912995 0 :asie[away]!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asiekierka
< 1225912996 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1225912998 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cause it's based on combinatory logic, not lambda calculus
< 1225912999 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may continue
< 1225913020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it makes sense in the context of Unlambda, just not on any other level
< 1225913031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: basically, you have three functions s k i
< 1225913034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are predefined
< 1225913037 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1225913040 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i is the placeholder
< 1225913041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which you can generate any lambda function out of
< 1225913044 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now what's the k and the s?
< 1225913048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i is very simple, it's lambda(x) {x}
< 1225913069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instead of just saying what k and s are, it's probably easier to explain where they come from
< 1225913075 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1225913093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you have lambda(x) { lambda(y) { x(y) } }
< 1225913104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you want to get rid of the lambdas
< 1225913109 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225913131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me think a moment...
< 1225913165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the x in the inside isn't affected by the value of y at all
< 1225913178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if we want to write it as a function of y, it would be lambda(y) {x}
< 1225913193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the y is irrelevant here, and quite a lot of the time in Unlambda you need a way to get functions like that
< 1225913198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where k comes in
< 1225913209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k(x) returns a function which always returns x no matter what its argument
< 1225913213 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225913215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so k(x) = lambda(y) {x}
< 1225913231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, y as a function of y is also very easy
< 1225913238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's lambda(y) {y} which is i
< 1225913268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what's x(y) as a function of y? it's lambda(y) {x(y)} obviously, but Unlambda doesn't let you use lambdas
< 1225913281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is where s comes in
< 1225913283 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1225913302 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s(a)(b)(y) is (a(y))(b(y))
< 1225913317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, suppose we need to calculate x(y)
< 1225913332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we have both x and y as functions of y, which we do
< 1225913338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x as a function of y is k(x), y as a function of y is i
< 1225913344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can do s(k(x))(i)(y)
< 1225913358 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it'll do both x(y) and y(y)
< 1225913364 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And output their result as the final result
< 1225913364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1225913373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll do k(x)(y) and i(y), and apply one to the other
< 1225913377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k(x)(y) is x
< 1225913379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i(y) is y
< 1225913383 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xy?
< 1225913383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the output is x(y)
< 1225913388 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1225913405 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, anything else?
< 1225913410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if s(k(x))(i)(y) is x(y), then s(k(x))(i) must be lambda(y) {x(y)}
< 1225913417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's got rid of one of our lambdas
< 1225913421 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1225913436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Unlambda notation, btw, this would be ``s`kxi
< 1225913442 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1225913443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where x isn't unlambda at all
< 1225913454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get rid of the other one, we can follow the same rules again
< 1225913461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I haven't stated yet, but implied
< 1225913466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a mechanical way you can change things...
< 1225913471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :` changes to ``s
< 1225913480 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225913493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f changes to `kf for any f which doesn't involve the thing we're lambdaing
< 1225913498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the thing we are lambdaing changes to i
< 1225913519 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1225913519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ``s`kxi changes to ``s``s`ks``s`kki`ki
< 1225913539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is how you write lambda(x) { lambda(y) { x(y) } } in Unlambda
< 1225913549 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh GOD
< 1225913557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is actually enough information to be able to write Unlambda programs, most of them are just compiled directly like that
< 1225913567 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...scary, but neat
< 1225913579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally speaking, Unlambda's described as not all that hard to write if you know what you're doing (due to that transformation), but basically impossible to read
< 1225913599 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1225913607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda has a few other operators just to make things a lot harder
< 1225913619 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d and c in v1
< 1225913623 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some other in v2
< 1225913624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's c, which gives imperative programmers nightmares, and d, which gives functional programmers nightmares
< 1225913624 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right?
< 1225913631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, but v2 is just to allow I/O
< 1225913641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also v, but that's just shorthand and not particularly interesting
< 1225913652 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, do you want v2 original interpreter's EXE?
< 1225913664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by the way, i can be written as ``skk but that's more coincidence than anything particularly interesting IMO)
< 1225913682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: ais523 uses linux
< 1225913683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: I run Linux not Windows, I could run it but there wouldn't be much point
< 1225913683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly
< 1225913692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do most people in here :p
< 1225913692 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(useful for obfuscation... if anyone would ever want to do it)
< 1225913695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides I think I have the V2 interpreter
< 1225913705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Linux version, though
< 1225913709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it's the original
< 1225913723 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have the Windows version; compiled by Cygwin; with the garbage collector
< 1225913728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ``skk trick mostly impresses people who like to get the number of commands down
< 1225913739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I can't run Cygwin executables here, it doesn't play well with Wine
< 1225913745 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1225913779 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which part of hell do you want: the d part or the c part? {{unlambda commands}}
< 1225913779 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ``skk is ugly
< 1225913792 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i is clearly more basic than s
< 1225913797 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: so do I
< 1225913803 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i deserves to be a builtin
< 1225913804 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: c is neat, elegant, and basically impossible to explain
< 1225913805 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d is not strictly necessary, while c is necessary for I/O
< 1225913812 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore your builtins aren't orthogonal
< 1225913815 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugly :(
< 1225913817 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1225913820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: c is only necessary for I/O because the I/O model is stupid
< 1225913833 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So who wants to go to the c part of hell
< 1225913852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the I/O model per se, but the choice of booleans
< 1225913852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: I'll try to explain c in one line, then everyone who doesn't know what it does already can go wtf
< 1225913861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think of it as evil, not stupid
< 1225913882 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so more like Obama than Bush
< 1225913885 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one of the best decisions
< 1225913909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you call c with an argument, then it runs the argument but gives it an argument which is a magical construct called a continuation, and if the continuation ever gets run it goes back in time to when c was called and returns the argument given to the continuation from c, rather than running c's argument
< 1225913931 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I have this urge to go wtf
< 1225913939 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But i'll try to understand it
< 1225913955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, it's an esolang, deliberately choosing a choice of booleans that need something as crazy as c to work with is very eso
< 1225913974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: I'll help you along
< 1225913987 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1225913998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helps slightly if you imagine c as Unlambda's version of goto, it completely messes up the control flow mechanism
< 1225914020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, if you call a function, it can return normally
< 1225914032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in imperative languages, you normally have a return statement that lets you break out of the middle of a function
< 1225914045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda doesn't have a return statement to break out of functions directly
< 1225914048 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think `ci = `ci(`*i) = `i(`*i) = a deliberate pile of nothingness, huh?
< 1225914051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but c lets you generate such statements
< 1225914125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in an awful mix of notations and paradigms, suppose I do `c lambda(r) {while(true){print "press q to quit\n"; if(getkey()=='q') r(0); }}
< 1225914151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty clear here that c is being used to generate a return statement, r in this case
< 1225914172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the place you put the c allows you to choose which function to return from
< 1225914179 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Did i work with c right, in my example?
< 1225914188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not certain I understand your notation
< 1225914206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: its standard...
< 1225914212 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`*i) is the Esolangs wiki's continuation notation
< 1225914215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...) = continuation with * = the thing pased to the continuationn
< 1225914216 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda's website uses <cont>
< 1225914218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1225914239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really tried to get my head around notations for imagining continuations, I find them much easier to imagine than to write down
< 1225914289 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer analyzing how I think it does it, and then comparing it with how it works
< 1225914312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1225914347 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fixing my thinking patterns
< 1225914379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ci returns a continuation which returns the continuation's argument instead of the continuation
< 1225914402 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...pain
< 1225914438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problematicness in continuation-related thinking processes is the go-back-in-time thing (btw, I'm planning to use them for Feather, they're the perfect choice for it)
< 1225914866 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, i did some stuff wrong
< 1225914880 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``cii - ``i(`*i)i - `(`*i)i - `ii - `
< 1225914885 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... - i
< 1225914886 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1225914893 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ... - `
< 1225914895 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ... - 1
< 1225914897 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1225914902 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ... - i
< 1225914993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that looks right
< 1225915130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda?
< 1225915134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1225915135 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmhm
< 1225915147 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now i'm trying to learn c
< 1225915151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think asiekierka's beginning to see why I said c was basically impossible to explain
< 1225915308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh?
< 1225915318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what has C got to do with unlambda?
< 1225915336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: c the Unlambda command, not C the language
< 1225915340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225915352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is C "get current continuation"?
< 1225915384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | there's c, which gives imperative programmers nightmares, and d, which gives functional programmers nightmares
< 1225915385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1225915385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c
< 1225915398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's call with current continuation, almost the same
< 1225915405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ci would be get current continuation
< 1225915407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah just call/cc
< 1225915421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't understand call/cc but I'm beginning to
< 1225915424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after several weeks
< 1225915425 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ci = ii
< 1225915428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with scheme
< 1225915428 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cr = rr
< 1225915437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also what is d in the topic
< 1225915440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the language I guess?
< 1225915446 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unlambda chars
< 1225915449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nope, the Unlambda command
< 1225915458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and what does that d do?
< 1225915461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means something along the lines of "don't evaluate this yet"
< 1225915480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it causes something to be evaluated the next time its value becomes relevant, rather than immediately
< 1225915498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :requesting lazy evaluation on a specific bit?
< 1225915529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, or?
< 1225915543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's like case-by-case lazy evaluatoino
< 1225915546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*evaluation
< 1225915561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but considering that d can be passed around as a function argument just like anything else in Unlambda, it causes absolute chaos
< 1225915600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I can see that
< 1225915601 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225915607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't actually sound hard to understand
< 1225915616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's probably easier to understand than c
< 1225915620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much harder to /use/, though
< 1225915622 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@89.108.200.4 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225915643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes... how would it be used?
< 1225915662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally to make side effects happen later rather than now, it shortens the program a lot
< 1225915674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225915695 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: actually `ci = `i(*) = (*)
< 1225915697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you have to put in lots of ``s`kk stuff in order to cause the command that would cause the side effect to be constructed at the last moment rather than running earlier
< 1225915716 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any other worthwhile esolang than befunge, brainf**k, piet, underload and unlambda?
< 1225915726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots
< 1225915736 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, really worthwhile and popular
< 1225915739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not many
< 1225915744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, popular is irrelevant
< 1225915745 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does DOBELA count?
< 1225915781 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1225915789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doebla isn't popular afaik?
< 1225915803 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1225915804 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not
< 1225915809 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it worthwhile
< 1225915866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1225915867 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1225915869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boolfuck?
< 1225915871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rube?
< 1225915874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1225915875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RUBE*
< 1225915887 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, ok
< 1225915892 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is DOBELA worthwhile?
< 1225915901 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
< 1225915908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue
< 1225915926 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check it out
< 1225915963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HQ9+
< 1225915967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not really
< 1225915973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :famous yes
< 1225915975 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HQ9+ is worthwhile
< 1225915980 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only it's worthwhile for 5 seconds
< 1225915980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, famous though
< 1225915981 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more
< 1225915981 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the interesting ones are incredibly hard to program in.
< 1225915992 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the 5 seconds is the time it takes from clicking the link to showing the page
< 1225916007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, Banana Scheme
< 1225916017 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa.
< 1225916018 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~/src/jitfunge$ build/jitfunge test.b98
< 1225916018 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1225916028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, now that looks cool
< 1225916030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got a link?
< 1225916041 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show
< 1225916041 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help
< 1225916046 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1225916046 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^bool
< 1225916047 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet; it's very unportable code at-the-moment. When I get fungot running on it, I'll put it up.
< 1225916047 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so to a point they are working on a distributed dialect of scheme :p ( and that ork interpreter written in qt
< 1225916060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, JIT to native code?
< 1225916066 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, ia32.
< 1225916076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why not use llvm to make it portable?
< 1225916079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how does it do it
< 1225916083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmap and mprotect?
< 1225916093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc that is the only portable way to run code like that
< 1225916101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE
< 1225916102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE PORTABLE
< 1225916103 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, mmap with PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC.
< 1225916108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah right
< 1225916152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it based on any code?
< 1225916154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it a new impl
< 1225916162 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Completely from scratch.
< 1225916167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1225916167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool.
< 1225916184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'd like to help but I dunno how I could.
< 1225916190 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: Is an infiniloop possible in Unlambda?
< 1225916194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same I could probably not do it
< 1225916201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I assume it's not at the level of implementing fingerprints yet?
< 1225916204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be good at that.
< 1225916210 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stack is done (well, will be done, if I can manage) by mmaping some memory for it, then catching the SIGSEGV, mangling some registers around, then restoring the context.
< 1225916212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, should be using continuations
< 1225916242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh god gracious
< 1225916259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's "good"
< 1225916264 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, no explicit underflow/overflow checks.
< 1225916268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you know you didn't catch the sigsegv from something else?
< 1225916275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like a real bug
< 1225916276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the address it gives me.
< 1225916279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by setting a flag?
< 1225916301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about pop on empty stack then?
< 1225916305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stackstack?
< 1225916338 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's just a read below the current stack; I just need to set a suitable register to zero, add +4 to the funge-stack pointer reg, and restore the faulting context from the next instruction.
< 1225916359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, assuming that is you go for a full blown befunge-98 that is
< 1225916361 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stackstack will probably involve some copying around, though.
< 1225916375 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an interface of sorts for fingerprints (all A..Z are mapped to distinct function calls) so that can be used for implementing fingerprints without having to touch the code-generation.
< 1225916399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if you did this on kernel level you could use memory mapping to implement stack stack
< 1225916403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without copying around
< 1225916404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1225916412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just messing with tlb
< 1225916420 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably use separate mmap ranges for the stack-stack substacks and simply swap some pointers.
< 1225916444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no you would still need copy on write
< 1225916445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1225916466 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I use eax/ebx/ecx/edx for the generated Funge-code, edi as a temporary for more complicated blocks (so far no branches yet! just conditional sets) and esi as the funge stack pointer.
< 1225916485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so how far are you going to take this? Full blown mycology passing? t support?
< 1225916507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why not ebp as the stack pointer?
< 1225916508 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how I could do 't' with correct timing without completely losing the point.
< 1225916509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does t do?
< 1225916513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be more usual...
< 1225916518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even esp if you want to live dangerously
< 1225916534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would play badly with the rest of the code, I guess
< 1225916538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: multithreads a Funge program
< 1225916546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would that be hard?
< 1225916547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the threading's synchronous, like in INTERCAL
< 1225916560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus fizzie's "with correct timing" mention
< 1225916562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also just an idea, wouldn't using something like llvm be useful here?
< 1225916565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing it with incorrect timing wouldn't be hard
< 1225916576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it would abstract too much and prevent some of these hacks
< 1225916627 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do quite a lot of function calls from inside the generated code, so I'm trying to mostly obey the calling conventions; I guess ebp is sort-of needed for stack frames to make sense.
< 1225916647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm passing on stack or in registers?
< 1225916661 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ultimate Unlambda contest: Make a program that decides whether obama should win or mccain
< 1225916666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you really want to go for speed then passing parameters in registers would be useful
< 1225916680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: nah, that's just printing a constant string
< 1225916686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, on stack, the normal cdecl style. For now, anyway. It's not too difficult to change later, probably.
< 1225916688 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonono
< 1225916692 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it must decide by itself
< 1225916708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Obama already won...
< 1225916711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1225916711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: yes
< 1225916712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, ^
< 1225916714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if True:
< 1225916717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    print 'Obama'
< 1225916718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :else:
< 1225916720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    print 'Ron Paul'
< 1225916731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ works it out for itself
< 1225916733 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... i hate you
< 1225916734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm
< 1225916736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using boolean logic.
< 1225916739 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But i mean
< 1225916750 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I haven't done register-spilling at all yet, so it currently crashes badly if some piece of code needs more registers. That shouldn't be *too* hard, though.
< 1225916757 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the election was meant to be calculated only with computers that can only run unlambda
< 1225916761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: ```sii``sii to your earlier question
< 1225916774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ha, you came up with the same answer as me
< 1225916775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: i don't think that the election is decided by AIs deciding who should be president
< 1225916779 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure llvm would have been an interesting idea, but since I started writing x86 code-generating code already...
< 1225916796 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the only params you get is the number of votes
< 1225916801 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in unary numbers
< 1225916813 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if 1 person voted on mccain and 3 on obama
< 1225916814 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get
< 1225916816 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxx|x
< 1225916821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm... is the whole thing ASM?
< 1225916827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: unlambda
< 1225916837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this jit I mean...
< 1225916845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlikely.
< 1225916847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm betting c
< 1225916847 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's C++ mostly, except that of course the code-generation uses assembly.
< 1225916849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or c++
< 1225916855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1225916859 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I think is funky is that the "hello" thing I pasted was the absolute first time I tried to actually run the code I generated; it very very very much surprised me when it actually worked.
< 1225916864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how far does it get in mycology?
< 1225916871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it pass sanity at all
< 1225916885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dude
< 1225916887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's evidently just started workinnnng on it
< 1225916891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes
< 1225916896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine it can't do anything more than hello world or maybe hq9+
< 1225916896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm still interested
< 1225916909 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, probably nowhere right now. Of course I could run it; but I expect a segfault or something.
< 1225916921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right
< 1225916927 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it came up as one of the main cases in the 0x29A functional subset
< 1225916943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what did?
< 1225916950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, still you should publish your code IMO, {insert rant about the cathedral vs. the bazaar}
< 1225916967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{insert rant about how AnMaster should shut up}
< 1225916971 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segfault: ooh, I'm clairvoyant.
< 1225916972 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ```sii``sii, well in disguise
< 1225916984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{insert rant about rants}
< 1225916985 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3200 lines of C++ already, heh.
< 1225916994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how much of that is ASM stuff?
< 1225917003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean outputting asm
< 1225917050 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welll... most of codegen.cc (1400 lines) is at least very closely related.
< 1225917067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how will it handle self modification?
< 1225917081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's jit
< 1225917084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just modify the generated code
< 1225917091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but how exactly
< 1225917095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1225917097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by writing to it?
< 1225917122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you need to store two versions
< 1225917124 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225917125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case g is used
< 1225917133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't
< 1225917138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just convert the machine code back to real code
< 1225917150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you generate it in a predefined pattern, not hard to do a quick check then extract the params
< 1225917154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then see what that means
< 1225917167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it is jitting you would probably generate optimised linear code
< 1225917174 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that will be very trivial, since it constant-folds things like 88*:* into a single constant.
< 1225917186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, that'd be a problem
< 1225917186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1225917188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just store the playfield somewhere separate for the purpose of g and p
< 1225917191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah
< 1225917196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when p happens, recompile that bit
< 1225917198 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do keep a separate data-space, I just generate snippets of code hooked into (pos, delta) pairs.
< 1225917202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that bit" is fizzie's problem
< 1225917203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1225917205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, see that was what I said
< 1225917211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and?
< 1225917219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point exactly
< 1225917219 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So p just needs to remove those snippets that happen to be there.
< 1225917247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee AnMaster said something vague and meaningless, he sure showed me
< 1225917249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice
< 1225917297 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpreter main loop works so that if it doesn't find code to execute starting from the current (pos, delta), it traces up to next @, |, _, w, or a snippet of existing code (and constant-folds and optimizes a bit already there), then converts that code into a native code function and calls that.
< 1225917312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee ehird can't gets angry again because of his own blown up ego
< 1225917321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/can't /
< 1225917353 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225917372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm interesting
< 1225917390 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225917429 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it happens (fortuitously) hit the entry-point of an existing snippet, it adds a link there; otherwise it erases the old snippet and starts a new right there. I'm hoping that when I run this on some code, it'll basically end up finding the basic blocks and generating separate functions for those.
< 1225917442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'd really like to play around with it a bit already, I realise it is very incomplete and so on, but still
< 1225917499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, another idea, you could special case some common patterns such as >:#,_@
< 1225917594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines a book called "Befunge Design patterns"
< 1225917596 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. There's also a lot of optimization opportunities in the generated code.
< 1225917612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah there llvm would really have helped
< 1225917662 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a tarball at http://zem.fi/~fis/jitfunge-export.tar.gz but don't expect anything actually working, or any support whatsoever, or even that it'd work on a non-Linux box; I think there's a mremap call in there, I'm not sure how well-supported that is. (Easy to eliminate, though.)
< 1225917687 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a couple of known memory leaks, too; the part which manages the mmap pages for the functions doesn't really do much memory management.
< 1225917725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scons? hm
< 1225917730 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The functions can't really be moved at will because of some PC-relative addressing in the call instructions; it would need some relocations for that.)
< 1225917744 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can probably compile it with just a single g++ command, though.
< 1225917787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any special cflags needed?
< 1225917789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from -m32
< 1225917801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g++ -o build/parser.o -c -m32 -Wall -Werror -ggdb3 src/parser.cc
< 1225917801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc1plus: warnings being treated as errors
< 1225917801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/parser.cc: In constructor 'jitfunge::Trace_impl::opargs::opargs()':
< 1225917801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/parser.cc:18: warning: array subscript has type 'char'
< 1225917802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops?
< 1225917811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc 4.1.2 btw
< 1225917814 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1225917830 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious warning; I don't get that one.
< 1225917837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, maybe different gcc version
< 1225917837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obviously correct, though.
< 1225917845 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.3.2 here.
< 1225917849 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1225917853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CFLAGS="-march=k8 -msse3 -m32 -O2 -pipe" CXXFLAGS="-march=k8 -msse3 -m32 -O2 -pipe" scons
< 1225917856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was my command
< 1225917863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems it ignored the cflags
< 1225917884 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225917933 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think there's some explicit scons command for picking up that stuff from the environment.
< 1225917935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie also: scons: *** Source `src/tool.cc' not found, needed by target `build/tool.o'.  Stop.
< 1225917950 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I haven't added tool.cc in the svn, so svn export didn't catch it.
< 1225917959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1225917977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me when you got an updated version that fixes the tool.cc and the char thing
< 1225917995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it also warned for line 19 20 21 22 23 and 24 in the same file
< 1225917997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again for char
< 1225918008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and multiple times for each line
< 1225918054 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed that tarball there for the tool.cc thing, but not yet the char-array indexing.
< 1225918095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm svn needs server side support?
< 1225918103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right it does
< 1225918137 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I do have a svn server here, though, but I think it's configured so that it only accepts HTTPS connections with client certificates. Haven't used it for anything public.
< 1225918178 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225918194 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-125-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225918241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm what cpu do you generate for?
< 1225918278 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@k-188.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225918288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, i386? i686?
< 1225918291 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the tarball now should have tool.cc and (int) casts for the array indices.
< 1225918322 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like i686, although the only "fancy" opcode there is the conditional SET, which I think appeared around Pentium Pro.
< 1225918330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1225918358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jitfunge  jittool
< 1225918359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1225918365 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, the scons script should generate both jitfunge and jittool; the 'jitfunge' part is the interpreter (such at it is) but the jittool is maybe more interesting.
< 1225918366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the difference?
< 1225918390 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The jittool one takes file (plus optional four integers, x y dx dy) and generates + compiles a single trace, then dumps the generated code.
< 1225918397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225918409 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the final stage of the dumping just calls "ndisasm -b 32 tmp.data" which you might not have in your path.
< 1225918416 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's part of NASM.)
< 1225918419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :91+"!dlrow olleH">:#,_@
< 1225918425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any idea why that segfaults?
< 1225918431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did your hello look like?
< 1225918435 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack underflow, maybe?
< 1225918444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh that segfaults?
< 1225918446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1225918451 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because I haven't done the stack part yet. :p
< 1225918467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, adding a 0 at the start didn't help
< 1225918475 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hello looked like a"olleh",,,,,,0@  :p
< 1225918489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
< 1225918489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xf7f48012 in ?? ()
< 1225918489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) bt
< 1225918489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#0  0xf7f48012 in ?? ()
< 1225918489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1  0x49811ca0 in ?? () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2
< 1225918490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#2  0xffa42b98 in ?? ()
< 1225918492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#3  0x08054749 in jitfunge::AsmFunction::operator() (this=0x841b058) at src/codegen.hh:274
< 1225918496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't tell me anything
< 1225918503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: Backtrace stopped: frame did not save the PC
< 1225918513 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's inside some generated code all right.
< 1225918531 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The 0 there in my hello is because @ -- despite what the spec says -- also pops a single value to use as the exit code at the moment.)
< 1225918546 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll work on portability when I get it to work at all first. :p
< 1225918576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why is the 0 needed in front of that @ in your code?
< 1225918581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ doesn't take any arguments
< 1225918583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q does
< 1225918604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225918614 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My @ and q map to the same thing. Work-in-progress....
< 1225918620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders about current lag spike
< 1225918628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may need to restart router
< 1225918662 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, anything using stack segfaults currently, since I haven't even initialized the stack pointer. :p
< 1225918681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what in Befunge doesn't use the stack? Not a lot, surely?
< 1225918711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how comes your hello worked then?
< 1225918714 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a"olleh",,,,,,0@  doesn't "use the stack" because it's all constants, so it gets turned into "set eax to character, push eax, call writechr".
< 1225918721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225918776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that program must be seriously hard to debug
< 1225918788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what is your goal?
< 1225918791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uttermost speed?
< 1225918794 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :World domination.
< 1225918799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1225918805 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure how that will follow, but I'm still working on it.
< 1225918827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well do you aim for speed with it?
< 1225918833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speed, I guess. And complete Funge-98 enough so that fungot runs on it.
< 1225918833 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: undefined variable ' f' called within it. how in the world who don't spend all time merging a custom xml format have less expertise.
< 1225918844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, because I'm well aware this will beat anything, including cfunge
< 1225918850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm not mycology?
< 1225918866 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mycology within limits. I'm not sure what all it tests.
< 1225918882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it tests core, and optionally any fingerprints
< 1225918886 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 't' thing is something I'm not going to do, and neither will I do trefunge probably.
< 1225918892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it just tells you fingerprint foo couldn't be loaded
< 1225918897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "y says t isn't supported"
< 1225918904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mycology doesn't test trefunge
< 1225918909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nor does cfunge support trefunge
< 1225918950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does it compile with anything but gcc btw?
< 1225918968 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no obvious gcc-isms, at least.
< 1225919001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well scons seems to ignore both CC and CFLAGS
< 1225919009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and CXX and CXXFLAGS
< 1225919011 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will probably start testing with mycology when I get some real code to run. Although I think I'll take the rest of the evening as a break.
< 1225919030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, :)
< 1225919039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...rest of the evening?
< 1225919043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bak
< 1225919048 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's only 23
< 1225919057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: scons: *** Do not know how to make target `clean'.  Stop.
< 1225919059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??
< 1225919067 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "scons -c".
< 1225919073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> gee ehird can't gets angry again because of his own blown up ego
< 1225919083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know where this imagined ego of mine comes from.
< 1225919084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :care to enlighten?
< 1225919111 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e-hird, e-go, nuff said
< 1225919112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway any idea how to get scons to read the env vars?
< 1225919136 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll fix the SConstruct file to do that.
< 1225919181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also it is CXXFLAGS I guess?
< 1225919216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that is what autotools and everything else use
< 1225919634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225919651 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-125-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225919690 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, the tarball in there now has a SConstruct file which lets you override CXXFLAGS and CXX (the C++ compiler used).
< 1225919723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: gonna test on os x
< 1225919733 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, good luck with that. :p
< 1225919739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D
< 1225919756 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mremap call won't be there, at least. I'll do a workaround for that at some point.
< 1225919767 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't really needed, anyway.
< 1225919912 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My only OS X computer is a powerpc, so I probably won't really be testing with that.
< 1225920072 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225920221 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-125-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225920273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225921669 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~/src/jitfunge$ cat test.b98
< 1225921669 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0a"!dlrow ,olleH">:#,_@
< 1225921669 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~/src/jitfunge$ build/jitfunge test.b98
< 1225921669 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!
< 1225921690 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still doesn't handle stack underflow, but at least the stack is there.
< 1225921702 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also chased around a couple of very mysterious bugs.
< 1225921712 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
< 1225921773 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-104-191.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225921833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For reference, the >:#,_ loop is translated into something like:  mov esi, [stack_top]; std; lodsd; push eax; call writechr; add esp, 4; mov eax, [esi]; test eax, eax; mov eax, 0; setnz al; mov [stack_top], esi;
< 1225921889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: buildin' on os tenpoop
< 1225921894 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(After which control returns from the generated code back into the interpreter, which will use the eax value to decide whether to call the same piece of code again or to proceed to the left.)
< 1225921894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olol
< 1225921897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 page c++ error
< 1225921905 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Funging JIT?
< 1225921908 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, those are very pretty.
< 1225921912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, befunge-98 jit
< 1225921913 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. That's gorgeous.
< 1225921918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been done before, but only -93
< 1225921937 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like jitfunge really does anything very -98y yet, though.
< 1225921943 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the space is larger.
< 1225921952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Here is a paste you can do absolutely ntohing with:
< 1225921972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://rafb.net/p/8raqXi81.html
< 1225922069 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's the mremap error, that one's clear. I'm not sure I want to try reading that C++ one.
< 1225922085 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure I'm using the C++ TR1 hash table right, anyway.
< 1225922093 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Away for a time now.
< 1225922182 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1225922191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, iirc you can't return from sigsegv handler right?
< 1225922223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you can
< 1225922236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well it would terminate you
< 1225922238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I meant
< 1225922241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also an issue
< 1225922243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: considering SBCL does it
< 1225922249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably jitfunge
< 1225922250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are wrong
< 1225922254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ type llvm-g++
< 1225922254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm-g++ is hashed (/home/arvid/local/llvm/bin/llvm-g++)
< 1225922261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scons: Building targets ...
< 1225922261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm-g++ -o build/codegen.o -c -march=k8 -msse3 -m32 -O0 -ggdb3 -pipe src/codegen.cc
< 1225922261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: llvm-g++: command not found
< 1225922265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf :P
< 1225922270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in PATH
< 1225922279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: iirc, scons doesn't inherit PATH
< 1225922282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for an actual reason that i forget.
< 1225922284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how silly
< 1225922289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it is justified
< 1225922289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there is a reason?
< 1225922290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange
< 1225922290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just forget how
< 1225922291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1225922292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1225922296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/how/why/
< 1225922298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway
< 1225922299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think "scons 'PATH=$PATH'"
< 1225922300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should do it
< 1225922313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, didn't help
< 1225922313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, "how it was justified"
< 1225922323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: found it
< 1225922339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.scons.org/faq.php#SS_4_3
< 1225922341 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The signal handler gets the ucontext_t struct as a third parameter when using the sigaction stuff, then I can (possibly, unportably) setcontext() back to it after manipulating it a bit.
< 1225922358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, to be able to build here I would need to override LD too
< 1225922370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to be able to override the path
< 1225922422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I see what it says but requiring end users to do that is just silly
< 1225922427 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to edit the SConstruct, then.
< 1225922442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: scons was designed in an environment for e.g. companies with a software project
< 1225922453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok then it makes sense I guess
< 1225922454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were in one, presumably you would realise the advantage of fully repeatable builds anywhere
< 1225922459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, that sucks for end-users
< 1225922474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes for internally using it in a company it makes sense
< 1225922516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it was used to compile doom3
< 1225922524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Doom3's Linux build system uses SCons. CC="ccache distcc g++-3.3" JOBS=8 rocks!"
< 1225922532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225922534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there they have an internally-distributed, presumably automated build process
< 1225922542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes
< 1225922557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it make sense for internally usage yes
< 1225922560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agreed
< 1225922568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1225922569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, not for end users
< 1225922575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yse
< 1225922576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes
< 1225922606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION solves it by setting CXX to the full path
< 1225922619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes it breaks when it tries to use ld
< 1225922621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1225922624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so set LD?
< 1225922629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it ignores it :)
< 1225922649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat it
< 1225922653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fixes the sconstruct file
< 1225922660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nop
< 1225922662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't help
< 1225922692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to extend the same way that was already used
< 1225922695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't work
< 1225922712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/arvid/local/llvm/bin/llvm-g++ -o build/jitfunge -m32 -ggdb build/main.o build/codegen.o build/interp.o build/parser.o build/space.o
< 1225922712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /home/arvid/local/llvm/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/4.2.1/../../../../lib/libstdc++.a when searching for -lstdc++
< 1225922712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /home/arvid/local/llvm/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/4.2.1/../../../libstdc++.a when searching for -lstdc++
< 1225922712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++
< 1225922714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
< 1225922723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just works with both autotools and cmake
< 1225922735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck it usually just works with 99% of the plain makefiles too
< 1225922752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not with scons
< 1225922778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't use this program therefore the shitty things it tries to replace are superior
< 1225922785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autotools is not a total ugly hack, nope
< 1225922792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is an uggly hack
< 1225922795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said I liked it
< 1225922796 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scons is a bit peculiar with its habits, but I sort-of like it when doing build systems for myself; my DS development environment is done with it.
< 1225922799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I said it works
< 1225922804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What does uggly mean? Really ugly?
< 1225922805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my point
< 1225922809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, no, it really doesn't
< 1225922815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, autotools sucks I fully agree
< 1225922820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least it respects env variables
< 1225922837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, scons's name for the linker is 'LINK', not 'LD'.
< 1225922839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't figure out how to make scons respect LD
< 1225922844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ok....
< 1225922849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is again crazy
< 1225922852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no
< 1225922853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not
< 1225922859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ld is a certain linker
< 1225922864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LD=foo
< 1225922868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster:
< 1225922870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is incorrect
< 1225922876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ld refers to a single linker product
< 1225922882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are others that are not lds but they are linkers
< 1225922890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ld is not a generic term of linker
< 1225922892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for
< 1225922898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LD=llvm-ld
< 1225922900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case
< 1225922905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in that case.
< 1225922912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about LD=magic-corp-foobazing-linker?
< 1225922912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it is an LD
< 1225922919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic-corp-foobazing-linker is a linker, not an ld(1).
< 1225922922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well that is how it is usually done
< 1225922924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1225922931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: usually done != the better option
< 1225922933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln -s llvm-ld magic-corp-foobazing-linker
< 1225922936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows is what is usually used.
< 1225922941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why don't you use it?
< 1225922944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok point taken
< 1225922953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be a better name
< 1225922974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm-ld: Unknown command line argument '-m32'.  Try: '/home/arvid/local/llvm/bin/llvm-ld --help'
< 1225922975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm-ld: Unknown command line argument '-ggdb'.  Try: '/home/arvid/local/llvm/bin/llvm-ld --help'
< 1225922976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225923009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1225923015 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure ld needs those flags, actually.
< 1225923018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, LD is probably a better name for the env variable
< 1225923024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it seems to require ld :p
< 1225923027 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's LINKFLAGS where they come from.)
< 1225923040 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes down AnMaster's name for future stalking
< 1225923051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wut
< 1225923053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1225923063 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really a build system, it's just something that manages to compile it here. As I've mentioned a couple of times, it's just a tarball, not a distribution.
< 1225923065 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's THERE
< 1225923077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is?
< 1225923094 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"arvid", i presume
< 1225923105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes what about it?
< 1225923110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could find it using google
< 1225923113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1225923115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arvid norlander
< 1225923118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: cfunge source.
< 1225923123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? it is public
< 1225923127 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hee, now it can run mycology without segfaulting.
< 1225923128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1225923155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should try and look up AnMaster's phone number just to be creepy.
< 1225923157 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/mycout.txt
< 1225923159 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very far, though.
< 1225923163 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tosses his list of things to blackmail AnMaster for
< 1225923166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh. sorry not listed
< 1225923181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not under my name
< 1225923209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well 7! would be easy to fix
< 1225923212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just implementing !
< 1225923220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ! is kind of trivial
< 1225923232 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have implemented !, but apparently not right.
< 1225923240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I take that back
< 1225923245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial when not done in ASM
< 1225923251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is logical not
< 1225923252 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"7!. a, 0@" does print a 0 here, but that's not surprising, since it constant-folds that.
< 1225923260 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what it is.
< 1225923281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait constant folding is computed in a different way?
< 1225923281 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-125-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225923293 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure, since it's the parser which does it.
< 1225923300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm maybe constant fold based on first run?
< 1225923304 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225923309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would make such stuff easier
< 1225923345 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really think so. The generated code with/without constant-folding is completely different, after all.
< 1225923393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm ok
< 1225923405 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :constant folding is usually good, but not in poker programs
< 1225923407 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious, though. "700p00g!.a,0@" also prints out 0. It might be some other bug causing the mycology output, though.
< 1225923427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, eh? pun detected but not understood
< 1225923437 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO LOOK IT UP ALREADY :D
< 1225923442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "fold" is something you can do in poker
< 1225923450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't plan to learn playing poker
< 1225923455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah
< 1225923455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which causes you to lose the hand, but not lose any more money than you've already bet
< 1225923459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't play it either
< 1225923472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing it constantly will cause you to lose eventually, although doing it sometimes is normally a good idae
< 1225923473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idea
< 1225923479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i know some basic rules
< 1225923484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, tracing output dumping stack at each step?
< 1225923488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that impossible?
< 1225923540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how can you loose more money than you already bet?
< 1225923546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?!
< 1225923551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: normally you have the choice of folding or betting mroe
< 1225923553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*more
< 1225923564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah, so there is no "pass"?
< 1225923564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you don't fold, you have to bet more
< 1225923568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd
< 1225923571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is sometimes but not usually
< 1225923582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a strange game
< 1225923590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the whole point of poker strategy, you force your opponents to bet more, or to bluff them into folding
< 1225923718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: src/interp.cc:19: warning: unused parameter 'location'
< 1225923726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot more of those
< 1225923734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/parser.cc:63: warning: missing initializer for member 'jitfunge::StackChange::flush'
< 1225923735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/parser.cc:63: warning: missing initializer for member 'jitfunge::StackChange::in'
< 1225923737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few more of those
< 1225923747 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this with what compiler?
< 1225923755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, gcc 4.1.2
< 1225923761 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. With some optimization flags?
< 1225923761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-O2 -Wall
< 1225923764 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1225923768 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without -O2 it won't catch all that.
< 1225923774 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will fix at some point.
< 1225923777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I also tried this:
< 1225923778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : CXXFLAGS="-march=k8 -msse3 -m32 -O3 -Wall -Wextra -ftracer -fweb -frename-registers -ggdb3 -pipe"
< 1225923779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1225923783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is insane
< 1225923852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but -ftracer is actually useful
< 1225923932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ftracer?
< 1225923953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  -ftracer
< 1225923953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Perform tail duplication to enlarge superblock size.  This transformation simplifies the control flow of the function allowing other optimizations to
< 1225923953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      do better job.
< 1225923953 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the mycology bug was a bug in some of the trivial optimizations I do; forgot to set one value, so it skipped one instruction that was actually necessary.
< 1225923955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523,
< 1225923975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tested it and for example it replaced something like:
< 1225923988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :movp %al,%edx
< 1225923998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov %edx,%eax
< 1225923999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I know what tail duplication does
< 1225924000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a single one
< 1225924013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the details
< 1225924015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't just do that, it changed the target of a goto too
< 1225924032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm?
< 1225924045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: say you have an if near the end of a function
< 1225924045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/mycout.txt ... does that "p doesn't modify space" test putting an instruction on the playfield?
< 1225924052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well yeah?
< 1225924058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did in my test
< 1225924058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail duplication makes two copies of the end of the function, one for each branch of the if
< 1225924061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and optimises them separately
< 1225924071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes it helped a lot in the case I tried it
< 1225924083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is mov %edx, %eax was a goto target without -ftracer so it couldn't be optimised out
< 1225924102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oddly enough nothing else in the function changed
< 1225924118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, are you sure that was -ftracer?
< 1225924129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1225924154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I also used -fweb in both cases
< 1225924159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and -frename-register
< 1225924164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1225924169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only change was -ftracer
< 1225924200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also when I later added some calls to __builtin_expect() I got it down to even less jumps
< 1225924222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly conditional stores iirc
< 1225924230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever they are called now again
< 1225924242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the function returned true or false
< 1225924262 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: probably
< 1225924288 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then it's a "known issue".
< 1225924343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, would it be hard to later port this program to another arch?
< 1225924361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is the low level code generation well enough abstracted?
< 1225924378 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nontrivial, but maybe not terribly hard.
< 1225924413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abstraction, schmabstraction; at least almost all x86-specific code is in codegen.cc; too bad that one is almost half of the lines in the whole program.
< 1225924598 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225924604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh
< 1225924626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you implement funge space?
< 1225924634 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225924648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, static array for some given size I guess
< 1225924653 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a static block of 64*64 cells (for coordinates 0..63) and a hashmap outside it.
< 1225924663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, 64x64 hm, small
< 1225924671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will want a lot larger later on
< 1225924676 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a single compile-time constant to change.
< 1225924683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, righta
< 1225924684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right*
< 1225924687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an offset
< 1225924736 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, when the get/put coordinate arguments are constants (i.e. 00g, <blabla>00p) that are inside the static range, the generated code will do simple mov's to/from there.
< 1225924768 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So those should be pretty much as fast as "variables".
< 1225924777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225924791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you should probably be able to dynamically resize the static array
< 1225924798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just re-generate the access code
< 1225924811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you notice a lot of access in some area
< 1225924904 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a single "mov edi, staticspacestart" involved, but after that 11g is just  mov eax, [edi+0x104]
< 1225924987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how optimal is the generated machine code?
< 1225924996 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very pessimal.
< 1225925002 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not most pessimal.
< 1225925003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1225925005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah*
< 1225925022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you think it will beat a good interpreter compiled with a good compiler?
< 1225925023 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does stupid things, but not completely brainlessly idiotic things, at least in most cases.
< 1225925064 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some programs, certainly. No need to update position/delta, parse things like <>v^ at all, or even fetch instructions from the funge-space.
< 1225925102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, true
< 1225925103 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do benchmarking when I get something non-trivial to work. I think I'll test with that underload interp first.
< 1225925113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about something like the game of life in it?
< 1225925126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to have to add a bit more non-portability to the mix for the "catch stack underflow by intercepting the page-fault" feature, since if I just use the portable form of mmap(), the page it gives me ends up right next to other stuff in the virtual address space, and reading below it will not cause segfault but just return random-ish fluff.
< 1225925134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I expect that you will do it on cfunge on an intel machine and using ICC
< 1225925140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is about as optimal as you can get
< 1225925150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and x86_64 ;P
< 1225925156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure on x86 it may be slower
< 1225925169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i am reminded again why i ignored AnMaster
< 1225925211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm so you need to map two pages after each other
< 1225925224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and make one nonaccess using mprotect
< 1225925225 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1225925236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work fairly portable for underflow
< 1225925254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would need fixed mappings I guess
< 1225925283 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the "trust your luck" scenario; there's nothing saying it should map things consecutively. I think I'll just use MMAP_FIXED, it's not *so* unportable.
< 1225925302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I said fixed mappings
< 1225925303 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though the man-pages complain about the discouragednessity of it.
< 1225925323 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, with MMAP_FIXED I don't think I need anything below it.
< 1225925334 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-mapped address spage should generate segfaults just fine.
< 1225925338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what if some other mapping is created below
< 1225925342 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1225925344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like trust your luck too
< 1225925398 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, maybe I could stick a guard page there. But the whole "let's use this address for the stack, it's probably not used" thing is a bit iffy. I don't think I'll start randomly trying multiple addresses or anything like that.
< 1225925419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm
< 1225925428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ok what do you prefer?
< 1225925456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh my system uses ASLR
< 1225925519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess that explains why it complains about text relocations?
< 1225925564 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the ASLR implementations still have some specific ranges for the various types of memory areas. Don't know the details of those, though.
< 1225925620 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll just stick the funge stack into 0x40000000 or something and hope it works. The whole system is quite a "hope it works" thing. But at least enlarging the stack should be easy then, just add more pages.
< 1225925633 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must sleeps now.
< 1225925641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1225925652 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sleeps first!
< 1225925652 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1225925662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, cya
< 1225925667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and really that is a bad idea
< 1225925839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fyi:
< 1225925841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v     >a"u",,0@
< 1225925841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>"a",0|
< 1225925841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      >a"d",,0@
< 1225925844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the version I have
< 1225925848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that prints aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
< 1225925903 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prints "ad" here.
< 1225925950 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Updated the tarball, you can probably just copy your fixed SConstruct over it.
< 1225925975 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, probably won't make sense to do much bug-hunting just yet; there are a lot of 'em.
< 1225926025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yep
< 1225926029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just testing
< 1225926065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ad here too now
< 1225926092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, question:
< 1225926101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said p would just clear out code paths
< 1225926112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how does that work if a constant path bypasses it?
< 1225926137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hello world"0_ p
< 1225926142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that p writes into hello world
< 1225926145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something such
< 1225926150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then next time you enter that
< 1225926173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so my question is, how do you update in the middle of constant folded paths
< 1225926179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without scanning everything
< 1225926743 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1225927107 0 :mu!n=bob@adsl-155-100-173.btr.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225927232 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225927344 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The space-hashmap has (pos, delta) entries for all commands encountered when tracing the paths, so that can be used to notice when p is writing into something that has been visited when compiling.
< 1225927394 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When that happens, I just clear the whole compiled snippet, and it will get recompiled the next time (if ever) it is ran.
< 1225927472 0 :omniscient_idiot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1225927477 0 :mu!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Omnisicient_Idio
< 1225927480 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1225927484 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, sleeping really now.
< 1225927504 0 :omniscient_idiot!n=boa@adsl-155-100-173.btr.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225927508 0 :Omnisicient_Idio!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1225927523 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1225927535 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!n=bob@adsl-155-100-173.btr.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225928028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1225928734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa I just got cfunge to compile using Open64
< 1225931544 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1225931559 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225932086 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | oh ok
< 1225932225 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1225935377 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-24-167.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225935381 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUBMENT
< 1225935382 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JEWS
< 1225935387 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RON PAUL
< 1225938371 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225939506 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225939594 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-24-167.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225939977 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: DAH GUBMENT JEWED MY RON PAUL?
< 1225940041 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how the gub is
< 1225940437 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RON PAUL AND DENNIS KUCINICH IN 2012
< 1225940495 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RON PAUL AND FIDEL CASTRO'S REANIMATED CORPSE IN 2012
< 1225940513 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RON PAUL AND RON PAUL IN 2012
< 1225940522 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you nominate yourself as vice president?
< 1225940549 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ron paul will be senile by 2012
< 1225940562 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ron Paul is functionally no better than senile already.
< 1225941002 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225942581 0 :warrie!n=Peggy@c-24-11-80-13.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225942606 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without objection, I intend to ratify the following report: "#esoteric is about politics."
< 1225942663 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I object.
< 1225942711 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225942719 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't object, you're not a player.
< 1225942739 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Register, then you'll be able to object.
< 1225942784 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I object to your suggestion that I must register to object.
< 1225942845 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a suggestion, it's a rule.
< 1225942885 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not playing your game, and as such I am not following your rules. Since I am not following your rules, I may object to anything you say for any reason. Since I'm not playing by your rules, my objections have no bearing on anything.
< 1225942899 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Darn.
< 1225943011 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I object to your motion to darn.
< 1225943025 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1225943095 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I object to your interpretation of my interjection.
< 1225943278 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I object to your objection of the interpretation of your interjection leading to my objection of your response to my assertion defying your declaration arguing against my objection of your complaint at my objection.
< 1225943348 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I object to everything.
< 1225943353 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225943372 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I OBJECT TO NOTHING!!!
< 1225943430 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was fun :P
< 1225943495 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very.
< 1225943516 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let us now take pictures of skulls among junk.
< 1225943551 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Only one store has been a part of your life for 150 years."
< 1225943558 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That line in this commercial is so stupid :P
< 1225943564 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is literally not true of /anyone/.
< 1225943628 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sends the picture, which, presumably, puts it somewhere
< 1225943715 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish this phone had a "what the heck does that flashing icon mean" button.
< 1225943940 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that didn't work.
< 1225943946 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to plug his phone into his computer
< 1225944014 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* warrie's computer explodes
< 1225944083 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that in Spanish? "calavera"?
< 1225944226 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take your silence as meaning "Yes, Master."
< 1225944556 0 :calamari!n=calamari@71-220-134-61.tcsn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225944566 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1225944583 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw this on slashdot:  http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1019609&cid=25649459
< 1225944633 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ello.
< 1225944768 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost certainly not turing complete, no unbounded loops or recursion.
< 1225944971 0 :Leonidas_!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225944985 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no recursion?   hmm .. you may be right
< 1225945302 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 'find' isn't really useful in it unless you can create files and directories, for which you need mkdir and (something akin to) touch.
< 1225945440 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if we changed things.. sh and ; can help with recursion
< 1225945649 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225945660 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: so does Facebook still make you sick?
< 1225945698 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: It has one (1) useful feature.
< 1225945713 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasting time?
< 1225945747 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referring to the event planning :P
< 1225946110 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1225946566 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1225946566 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1225946567 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
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< 1225947320 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1225947452 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1225950126 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did he mean? that it's tc to pipe them? because that's basically max(map(computational_power,["find","xargs","grep"]))
< 1225952026 0 :ab5tract!n=ab5tract@pool-71-246-5-13.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225952240 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225953149 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1225953335 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1225953686 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | cheap!
< 1225958399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1225958954 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225959493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning
< 1225959510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good moaning
< 1225959724 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re the stack things, of course it's trivial to do the guard pages portably, with mprotect; didn't realize (I blame tiredness) it can set individual pages out of a larger mapping.
< 1225960018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh
< 1225960272 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I'm wondering why the underflow handling seems to work even though I've only implemented one half (resetting ESI correctly), not the other (setting to zero the target register). It might be just luck, those target registers might be zero at that time anyway. Also, 1+\..a,@ prints out "1 0 " instead of "0 1 ", but that seems to be a bug in the generated code already.
< 1225960515 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Unisex."
< 1225962806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how would that part work on other platforms?
< 1225962815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean sure I can see how you could port the code generation
< 1225962826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not so sure about the segfault handling
< 1225962834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems extremely fragile
< 1225962922 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure something similar is implementable on most archs; if not, then the code generation can generate plain old explicit checks for underflow.
< 1225962930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225962950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, by the way I tested open64, it can compile cfunge
< 1225962953 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think most architectures have something to handle dynamic stack-enlargening in Real Programs (tm).
< 1225963031 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just spent more than a minute wondering why "00g.a," printed out 48 instead of 32, before I realized that the space isn't empty at start, there's that program inside it. "Heh."
< 1225963083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1225963102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does it handle wrapping?
< 1225963124 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, in the tracing code. Don't think I have tested it at all, though.
< 1225963136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm mycology will test it
< 1225963153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about a _ at the edge then?
< 1225963177 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see anything special about _ at the edge.
< 1225963181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1225963185 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next trace will start at the edge and wrap.
< 1225963189 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hopefully.)
< 1225963202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, how far does it get in mycology now?
< 1225963221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh and I suppose \ is turned into a single XCHG or something like that?
< 1225963264 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually in most cases \ just changes the registers used by later instructions; I don't keep things on stack unless I have to.
< 1225963286 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a plain old \ by itself currently does pop+pop+push+push; I'll think about optimizations later on, maybe.
< 1225963358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it could be turned into a single XCHG I believe
< 1225963361 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Basically a trace containing only a \ will automagically generate stack loads into virtual registers r0, r1; then the \ instruction just changes the order of those in a list; and hitting the end of trace will generate those two push instructions because it needs to flush things back on stack.
< 1225963404 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, although I'm not completely sure how my stack underflow thing will survive it.
< 1225963490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh
< 1225963495 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I can special-case a bit depending on the opcode that caused the underflow.
< 1225963513 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I really don't see is why this underflow thing stubbornly keeps working even though I haven't really implemented it completely.
< 1225963548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh
< 1225963604 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 9 in ecx; then I do a "mov ecx, [esi]" which causes a segfault; when I restore the context, ecx automagically seems to be zero, even though I don't mangle the saved context at all.
< 1225963640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how well-defined things like that are. Should probably read some processor manuals to find out.
< 1225963691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1225963707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, could depend on OS too?
< 1225963735 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if I do a "lodsd" instruction (which does ax <- [esi] and auto-post-decrements esi), and the read from [esi] causes a fault, I'd like to know whether esi is still decremented.
< 1225963735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, since a segfault would go through the kernel
< 1225963739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it would
< 1225963761 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it's the kernel who packages the context up and sends a signal.
< 1225963772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about out of order execution?
< 1225963780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could probably mess up this a lot
< 1225963787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since modern CPUs reorder instructions
< 1225963867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or?
< 1225963868 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't think they're allowed to do that too much so that observable semantics change.
< 1225963909 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly the exact happenings on a page fault are a bit of a border case.
< 1225963916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well "not for normal use", but I think a fault isn't that
< 1225963924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1225963968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if it didn't matter instructions such as MFENCE wouldn't exist
< 1225964208 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hoping a page fault will do the sensible things re flushing/serializing stuff. Will worry about the details later.
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< 1225965627 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm not quite sure is to have to deal with a self-modifying 'p' while retaining the "constant-location-g/p access is as fast as variables" behaviour. On code-generation time, I can't be sure if that particular location will later become part of something executable. I guess I could keep a list of all constant-p references to any cells, and when tracing, invalidate those pieces of compiled code that need changes.
< 1225965636 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/have/how/
< 1225967147 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1225967549 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious, after "GOOD: 8*0 = 0" I now get an infinite number of newlines from mycology.
< 1225967565 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday it correctly printed out "GOOD: # < jumps into <".
< 1225967589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well the way you do that stuff it won't be easy to debug
< 1225967751 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. Well, I could dump out the generated code every time it traces things, to see if that helps any. It will probably generate quite a lot of output, though.
< 1225967847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you could insert trace calls or something?
< 1225967868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, on the fly
< 1225967887 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could, reasonably easily even.
< 1225967895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may not help a lot though
< 1225967965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for scripted interpreters I found that doing something such as having a known good implementation dump traceoutput
< 1225967975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then your new one dump trace in the same format
< 1225967978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diff the output
< 1225967979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare
< 1225967985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err s/scripted//
< 1225967993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for JIT that may not help a lot
< 1225968015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway the point is diffing trace output and see where it begins to differ
< 1225968069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for example cfunge at -t 4 should work for that
< 1225968074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tix=0 tid=0 x=0 y=0: 9 (57)
< 1225968074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tix=0 tid=0 x=1 y=0: 1 (49)
< 1225968074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tix=0 tid=0 x=2 y=0: + (43)
< 1225968074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tix=0 tid=0 x=3 y=0: " (34)
< 1225968086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tid and tix are got threads so ignore that)
< 1225968110 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The constant-folding part will make that a bit difficult; of course I could dump some trace output already before code-generation, but at that point I don't have the stack available. But I would get the "where did the IP go" trace, at least.
< 1225968126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225968135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for stack in cfunge you would want -t 9
< 1225968150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shows top 5 elements iirc
< 1225968164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tix=0 tid=0 x=0 y=0: 9 (57)
< 1225968165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Stack is empty.
< 1225968165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tix=0 tid=0 x=1 y=0: 1 (49)
< 1225968165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Stack has 1 elements, top 5 (or less) elements:
< 1225968165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                9
< 1225968165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tix=0 tid=0 x=2 y=0: + (43)
< 1225968167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        Stack has 2 elements, top 5 (or less) elements:
< 1225968169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                1 9
< 1225968207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway diffing trace output to "known" good have helped me a lot when working on efunge
< 1225968296 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to end up in a >:#,_ print loop, printing infinite newlines. I'm guessing it might even be finally the stack undeflow thing not returning zero; but I'd like a bit smaller test case than mycology for that.
< 1225968321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1225968334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that helps you somewhat at least :)
< 1225968415 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, yay. A single   a"yay">:#,_@   loop will also print infinite newlines; after popping that a, it seems to pop and pop and pop and pop.
< 1225968435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225968552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you pop, you can't stop
< 1225968556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1225968647 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph, I don't know gdb enough to make a breakpoint inside an overloaded C++ operator. Maybe the line number will work.
< 1225968658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, file.cc:554
< 1225968661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example
< 1225968663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should work
< 1225968704 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, seems to.
< 1225968760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only issue if you have two files with the same name, then gdb always manage to interpret it as the other file, not the one you wanted
< 1225968788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this can happen if you built some library with debugging info for example)
< 1225968819 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1225968824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) disassemble 0xf7ee8023
< 1225968824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No function contains specified address.
< 1225968835 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I just want them bytes.
< 1225968856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1225968867 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the two-argument form will disassemble for me without finding a function.
< 1225968868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, change language mode to asm or such
< 1225968871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that may work
< 1225968876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that
< 1225968924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw how do you jump into the generated code?
< 1225968935 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cast to a function pointer and call it.
< 1225968943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right
< 1225968967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that is a sure way to confuse any debugger I can think of...
< 1225969281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you think it will build as a Position Independent Executable (PIE)?
< 1225969290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it does
< 1225969307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I didn't expect
< 1225969318 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, since the compiler doesn't know about the code-generation part, and the addresses and such are known at the time when it actually does the code-generation.
< 1225969323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1225969356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, thought the pie offset thingy register would have messed up for you
< 1225969507 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, founded the bug. There's a "peek" instruction (I combine a pop+push into a peek) which reads from below the stack; the segfault handler accidentally increments the stack pointer there too, even though it wasn't actually decremented.
< 1225969526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm possible to fix?
< 1225969555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh while valgrind may work, it seems mudflap doesn't
< 1225969560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over 1000 warnings
< 1225969616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah MUDFLAP_OPTIONS="-heur-proc-map" makes it work
< 1225969932 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1225970666 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew, fixed that bug. Now it looks at the opcode which caused the stack fault and sets the target register to zero; and also at the next opcode to avoid decrementing the stack pointer after resetting it.
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< 1225975286 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Reloaded.
< 1225975475 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1225976260 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the self-modifying 'p', although I guess it's a bit buggy still. Mycology doesn't complain about "p doesn't modify space" now, but "BAD: 900pg doesn't get 9" even though running "900pg.a,@" does print out 9.
< 1225976710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice, updated the snapshot?
< 1225976898 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did now, but don't expect much to work yet either.
< 1225976973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/interp.cc: In constructor 'jitfunge::Stack::Stack()':
< 1225976974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/interp.cc:159: warning: missing initializer for member 'sigaction::__sigaction_handler'
< 1225976974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/interp.cc:159: warning: missing initializer for member 'sigaction::sa_mask'
< 1225976974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/interp.cc:159: warning: missing initializer for member 'sigaction::sa_flags'
< 1225976974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/interp.cc:159: warning: missing initializer for member 'sigaction::sa_restorer'
< 1225977027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/LDH6i265.html is all the warnings
< 1225977036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm nice
< 1225977100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice I don't know how you manage to mess up mycorand so much...
< 1225977106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? was met 1 times
< 1225977108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1225977127 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I implement ? at all. Not sure.
< 1225977134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it thinks it was ^
< 1225977152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but afaik mycorand should loop until it had at least one of each direction
< 1225977153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi fizzie .
< 1225977155 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1225977158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird
< 1225977185 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :900pg 9-!| leaves down instead of up. That's a nice bug too. Debugging this isn't very pleasant.
< 1225977191 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Hello.
< 1225977485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where is the debug output generated?
< 1225977911 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh: "GOOD: 900pg gets 9", "GOOD: p modifies space". Then it hangs up.
< 1225977922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangs up?
< 1225977931 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, an infinite loop is my guess.
< 1225977941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trace? :)
< 1225978245 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At (5,17), heading left. Maybe a wrapping issue or something. It seems to bounce off the edge for some strange reason: it sees two $s and an _, instead of wrapping.
< 1225978272 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The debug output isn't written anywhere just yet, it's just one line I've been commenting/uncommenting. I'll add a command-line flag for it in the next revision.
< 1225978286 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll try to get the wrapping right first, though.
< 1225978415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can I test it on OS X again?
< 1225978415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1225978451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, did it work last time?
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< 1225978547 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't removed the mremap or changed the hashmappery, so I doubt it'll work any better.
< 1225978692 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it wraps just fine, it's just the \r\n newlines of mycology leaving a \r there, which it reflects from.
< 1225978700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hashmappery?
< 1225978718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, then you need to fix your loading ;)
< 1225978835 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some C++ template error from my use of <tr1/unordered_map> on OS X.
< 1225978860 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loading is fixed, but mycology crashes at the same point: "unrecognized opcode in stack underflow".
< 1225978864 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a curious one.
< 1225979066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm what gcc version did you say you used?
< 1225979084 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.3.2, I think.
< 1225979091 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it's a stack underflow when pushing. That's creative.
< 1225979110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, underflow when pushing, how did you manage that?
< 1225979200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: let me know when it's ready to implement fingerprints
< 1225979201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1225979514 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. A $ does not read from the stack (because it's a useless memory read), it just decrements the stack pointer reg; so the next push will cause the stack underflow check to fire. Well, that's... somewhat easy to fix. I think.
< 1225979775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, depending on the program this faulting instead of checking bounds could be a lot slower
< 1225979777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or faster
< 1225979806 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most programs do not do stack underflow much. At least my programs, anyway.
< 1225979810 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1225979838 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay: Befunge-98 detected. GOOD: wraparound works, GOOD: a pushes 10, GOOD: b-f push 11-15, GOOD: [ turns left, GOOD: ] turns right, GOOD: instructions between ; are skipped, UNDEF: # across left edge hits easternmost cell in file, UNDEF: # across left edge hits easternmost cell on line, BAD: k reflects
< 1225979852 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's again few steps further.
< 1225979873 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't done 'k' yet; it will probably not be very pleasant, at least to get all the corner cases right.
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< 1225980656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, cfunge have a bunch of test programs for k
< 1225980665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the stuff mycology doesn't test
< 1225980687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, uploaded a new snapshot?
< 1225980731 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, yes.
< 1225980754 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can run it as "jitfunge file.b98 -d" to make it dump the traces it generates.
< 1225980758 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To stderr.)
< 1225980779 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add getopt'd command line arguments when I have something that actually works.
< 1225980830 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god jitfunge
< 1225980939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm it seems slower than profile feedback compiled cfunge at life.bf
< 1225980959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait I can't compare 32-bit to 64-bit
< 1225981021 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, do you mean it actually runs life.bf?
< 1225981030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes it does
< 1225981046 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's really strange.
< 1225981051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :output seems correct as far as I can tell
< 1225981058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why?
< 1225981071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is b93
< 1225981076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you pass that section you said
< 1225981091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you get to k
< 1225981110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it is fast on life.bf
< 1225981129 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but even the ()-parsing part of underload.b98 (which doesn't involve any fingerprints) has some infinite-loopy bug.
< 1225981153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no ( or ) in life.bf
< 1225981172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it fails at prime.bf however
< 1225981173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with:
< 1225981175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: FIXME register spill
< 1225981181 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the underload ().
< 1225981196 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1225981217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi2.bf -> floating point exception
< 1225981226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :divide by zero?
< 1225981232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you handle that correctly
< 1225981244 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't.
< 1225981249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fib.bf cause
< 1225981250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected SIGSEGV; dying...
< 1225981250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aborted
< 1225981267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but yes it somehow manages life.bf
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< 1225981313 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. Heh.
< 1225981321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wumpus.bf cause infinite loop I think
< 1225981333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just locks up
< 1225981411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh nice you don't do error checking on input, I typoed and ran it on a directory
< 1225981417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seemed to actually try to execute that
< 1225981454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh and if I run it under valgrind it fails at life.bf
< 1225981463 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it just executes some empty space in that case.
< 1225981471 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The directory-as-input one, that is.)
< 1225981479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just dots for output and lots of valgrind errors
< 1225981487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so valgrind affect the behaviour too there
< 1225981518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it breaks under valgrind all the time
< 1225981523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like stack underflow
< 1225981526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not terribly surprising.
< 1225981547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm valgrind is useful for debugging, but I guess you will solve that in some other way
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< 1225981664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, um mycouser.b98 says it handles division by zero
< 1225981678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that just the constant folder?
< 1225981726 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that part does it correctly.
< 1225981755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, inputting a newline to the char test in mycouser acts oddly
< 1225981759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in just pressing enter
< 1225981769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first it says 10, right, but then it waits for another newline
< 1225981775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait *checks with cfunge*
< 1225981790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no
< 1225981795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is mycology's "fault"
< 1225982163 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(build/jitfunge life.bf > life.txt &); sleep 20 ; killall jitfunge ; ls -l life.txt   generates around 8.5 megabytes of output, compared to ~2.7 megs from cfunge (32bit, -O3, no fancy flags), here. I'm not sure jitfunge is in a benchmarkable state yet, though.
< 1225982228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you making something like a befunge compiler?
< 1225982248 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It's an interpreter which does just-in-time compilation to native x86 code.
< 1225982270 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh to x86? you use like gcc or smth?
< 1225982281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just write some bytes.
< 1225982287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1225982318 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The generated code is quite non-optimal, though.
< 1225982351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, here I get around 5.2 MB from each
< 1225982361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit cfunge
< 1225982366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 32-bit fungespace
< 1225982377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :profile feedback compiling
< 1225982399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc 4.1.2
< 1225982415 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, the cfunge build I did is probably 64-bit too, I just turned USE_64BIT off.
< 1225982504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm ok
< 1225982535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well for me both generates around 5 MB, sometimes slightly more for cfunge, sometimes more for jitfunge
< 1225982537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very even
< 1225982548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is profile feedback so...
< 1225982652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, with just plain -O3 for both I get results close to your
< 1225982689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 mb from jitfunge, around 1.8 from cfunge
< 1225982710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, however I don't know how large setup time jitfunge needs. cfunge have quite a bit of setup time
< 1225982718 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC is pretty good at the optimization game, compared to my code generation.
< 1225982729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes it is
< 1225982738 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm optimization game => the game => i just lost it :(
< 1225982740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm icc wouldn't help this is amd...
< 1225982757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: agh, ditto
< 1225982770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh and my build ifdefs out tracing there ;)
< 1225982792 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday my gf made me lose the game 5 times... :(
< 1225982799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and also disables threads, another speedup
< 1225983036 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's quite a lot of small code snippets generated for life.bf, increasing the overhead there. Every time there's a branch or a merging of two code paths, jitfunge splits the code to separate functions there.
< 1225983091 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you try to jit compile befunge?
< 1225983104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you may want to do superblock optimising
< 1225983111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, he isn't trying, he is doing it
< 1225983114 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure "try" is the right verb here, since it already does life.bf.
< 1225983115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously
< 1225983129 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-try then :)
< 1225983146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you to jit compile befunge"?
< 1225983153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe -to as well
< 1225983157 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah -_-
< 1225983280 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be better to generate longer pieces of code, and jumps into them, but that's trickier.
< 1225983320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh
< 1225983333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, better get it working properly before you start optimising like that?
< 1225983488 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, yes.
< 1225983599 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I would probably get significantly longer snippets of code simply by always assuming either the true or false branch from an if, and continuing the trace that way.
< 1225983619 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that it's JIT, I should probably be collecting some statistics and doing branch prediction that way.
< 1225983764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or compile it to code with a jump in?
< 1225983795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey jix
< 1225983797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE GAME
< 1225983825 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1225983838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I mean, compile both paths with a compiled jne instruction or such at the |
< 1225983845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or je
< 1225983971 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I would really have to think harder when recompiling parts of code, since it would not be a distinct function I could just discard.
< 1225983991 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sure, a single generated mess of code with jumps around would have less overhead.
< 1225984017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you may have to discard several ones already
< 1225984032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how fast is it? :p
< 1225984046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for example suppose one cell is hit with two different deltas. then a p changes the value there
< 1225984058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have to discard multiple ones
< 1225984111 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: nargh
< 1225984296 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, sure, but I can discard them easily and let the interpreter recompile when it notices it doesn't have code for that part.
< 1225984315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm ok true
< 1225984328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh, fizzie HASN'T been monologuing this whole time
< 1225984343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes things less confusing
< 1225984444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if you discard some jitted code, and the jitted code is placed in a mmaped region, how do you allocate new ones, try to find the first hole large enough?
< 1225984446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or?
< 1225984516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Away for a while.
< 1225984520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya
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< 1225986755 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1225987457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[
< 1225987457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mind Control
< 1225987458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doctors from the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons have stated that Obama uses techniques of mind control in his speeches and campaign symbols. For example, one speech declared, "a light will shine down from somewhere, it will light upon you, you will experience an epiphany, and you will say to yourself, 'I have to vote for Barack.'"[19] The doctors observe that "Obama's logo is noteworthy. It is always there, a small one in the middle of the pod
< 1225987459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]]
< 1225987461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Conservapedia
< 1225987476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[If elected, Obama would likely become the first Muslim President, and could use the Koran to be sworn into office.]] - also conservapedia
< 1225988116 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes liberal conspiracy theories seem almost tame
< 1225988280 0 :Corun!n=Corun@wavelan117.doc.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225988402 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also from that site, "World Bank Group.s computer network has been compromised by cybercriminals"
< 1225988440 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their book section is full of real winners too
< 1225988460 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HMOs are not "free market" alternatives, but rather an unholy partnership of government and corporate interests seeking monopolistic government protection to eliminate competition while changing the ethics of medicine from a Hippocratic ethic to a false corporate morality"
< 1225988472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dun dun DUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNN
< 1225988573 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1225988579 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was this awesome group last month running around in circles convincing themselves both candidates were Manchurian Candidates
< 1225988583 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome to watch, at least
< 1225988747 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1225989239 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!n=bob@adsl-155-100-173.btr.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1225989961 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed bfbasic
< 1225989968 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nift
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< 1225990573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
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< 1225991491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
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< 1225995671 0 :mbishop!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wee l4d demo is fun
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< 1225996675 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1225996679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Mony
< 1225996691 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1225996886 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ^bf ++++++[->++++++<]>>+[<.>[[[[[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]]]]]]
< 1225996923 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1225996924 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | cool page: http://www.angio.net/pi/piquery
< 1225998086 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, sensiblized the code generated by jitfunge, and managed to cut life.bf performance into 4 % (variant 1) or 30 % (variant 2) of what it used to be; the new system does generate longer pieces of code, but it ends up recompiling something all the time. I need a figure out a less complicated test case for the issue, though.
< 1225998113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you beat cfunge yet?
< 1225998163 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, the previous version was faster at life.bf with my setup; apparently with the right magical GCC flags (profile-guided optimization?) the life.bf speeds were just about even.
< 1225998186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, interesting
< 1225998247 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least this current code-generation can turn  >:#,_  into a function that actually does loop, instead of having a single function that is called (by the interpreter part) repeatedly for each character.
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< 1226000074 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1226000465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, those magical flags included -fwhole-program -combine and -fprofile-use
< 1226000469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which explains a lot
< 1226000484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was x86_64 vs. x86
< 1226000491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't fair really
< 1226000777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoo I shaved another 0.10 seconds of mycology run time in cfunge. I think I may do even better
< 1226000789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to rewrite the loop to make it easier to vectorise
< 1226000850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably will be slow as heck in mycology, since I guess there's not much repeatedly executed stuff there.
< 1226001014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mycology is where I'm really really really fast
< 1226001036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and very fast for an interpreter elsewhere
< 1226001226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits while -ftree-vectorizer-verbose=10 spews output
< 1226001232 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226001260 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1226001333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is that a gcc or icc option?
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< 1226001358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, gcc
< 1226001384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is interesting to see that gcc detects some possible vectorisations that icc doesn't as well as vice verse.
< 1226001390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelling...
< 1226001411 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"versa"
< 1226001449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1226001478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, at least in Swedish, but aspell doesn't like it in English
< 1226001480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226001493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and it needs -ftree-vectorize to do anything
< 1226001502 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's latin
< 1226001571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm it is spelled vise versa in Swedish
< 1226001576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not vice versa
< 1226001891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and GCC generates faster programs on AMD64
< 1226001899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :icc is faster on intel though
< 1226001903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no surprise there
< 1226001908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, not really surprising at all
< 1226001947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but icc is still useful on AMD, because it points out different issues and so on
< 1226002052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real    0m0.051s
< 1226002052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user    0m0.037s
< 1226002052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys     0m0.011s
< 1226002053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoo
< 1226002077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-march=k8 -msse3 -O3 -funroll-loops -DNDEBUG -fweb -ftracer -frename-registers -ftree-vectorize
< 1226002086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't claim it is sane
< 1226002097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: where are you directing the output, BTW?
< 1226002103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/null
< 1226002107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226002122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you optimised cfunge to detect output going to devnull and not output it?
< 1226002127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with output to konsole it is 0m0.087s
< 1226002169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm I have, as far as I know, not added any stuff that would make one or the other slower as an effect of making the other one faster
< 1226002175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to check using both anyway
< 1226002186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I run the timings I report to /dev/null
< 1226002198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they vary less
< 1226002206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so easier to compare with
< 1226002240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean with stdout the spread is about +/- 0.020 seconds but with /dev/null it is about +/- 0.010
< 1226002393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real    0m0.043s
< 1226002395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1226002400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a profile feedback build
< 1226002508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if I run with env -i PATH=/bin:/usr/bin TERM=$TERM it is reduced to around 0.025 seconds
< 1226002813 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get this; I changed completely unrelated things, but now it doesn't have the life.bf "causes recompilations all the time" issue, and does 10.6 megabytes of life.bf output in 20 seconds.
< 1226002825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, these latest changes should help a lot for fungot, string handling was sped up a lot by reorganising pushing to allow gcc to vectorise the push loop
< 1226002825 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i believe that is a very original thought....are you a poet? so.....you like atlanta? what color are your eyes?
< 1226002835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't committed yet
< 1226002872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they need you to use the relevant -march to take advantage of it, and -O3 and -ftree-vectorize
< 1226002880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSE2 at least I believe
< 1226002932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it helped a lot for y in the HRTI test
< 1226002973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ env | wc -c
< 1226002974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5815
< 1226002980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDEF: T after M pushed 3 and a second T, after 675 ys, pushed 10899
< 1226003029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and I seriously want memrcpy() which would be like memcpy() but would reverse (byte by byte) the entire thing
< 1226003044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I had such a thing and it was fast this could get even faster
< 1226003057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternative would be to resign funge stacks to grow downwards
< 1226003059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess
< 1226003065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :redesign*
< 1226003072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be a pain to grow
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< 1226003120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least without being unportable
< 1226003134 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The jitfunge stack grows up, but that's pretty arbitrary.
< 1226003157 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't resign.  stacks should grow up dammit!
< 1226003159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes but I would need to copy stuff around instead of just reallocing if I were to do that
< 1226003176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: use Fungus as your processor and make the stack grow sidewats
< 1226003179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sideways
< 1226003182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :		const size_t top = stack->top + len;
< 1226003182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :		for (ssize_t i = len; i >= 0; i--)
< 1226003182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :			stack->entries[top - i] = str[i];
< 1226003182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :		stack->top += len + 1;
< 1226003197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is how my push 0"gnirts" look like now
< 1226003220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it preallocates to make sure there is enough room before that of course
< 1226003268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that fungus emulator is superslow
< 1226003280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: obviously, you'd have to build the hardware and run on there
< 1226003303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and how fast would it be compared to a high end AMD or Intel CPU?
< 1226003318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would depend on how fast the chip you'd built was
< 1226003336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type of typical chip that students use has a clock cycle of a few tens of nanoseconds
< 1226003342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about 500 MHz or so
< 1226003353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less, 100 MHz or so
< 1226003362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably not competing with high-end CPUs
< 1226003386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, even though it could potentially run funge more natively?
< 1226003390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err spelling
< 1226003405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think so
< 1226003448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how far out in negative funge space does the ul stack go on ^ul (::^):^
< 1226003448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226003481 0 :comexk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Caught sigterm, terminating..."
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< 1226003492 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the stack limit.
< 1226003507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall some discussion on implementing special chips for functional languages or something - the mainstream chips are just too fast to compete with even for such a special design
< 1226003520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, lisp machines
< 1226003523 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think it was on Lambda the Ultimate)
< 1226003534 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that was _decades_ ago
< 1226003542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but same concept
< 1226003556 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fungot currently, cd*:* so it goes to X=-24336 before complaining.
< 1226003557 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i would need to involve nec page, so that's ok. well... x-chat doesn't. instead of " new code" do you mean? what kind of module system is quite nasty too:
< 1226003567 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point was, the mainstream chips improve so fast that they will be better than yours before you get it out to market
< 1226003578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1226003600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed
< 1226003661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I can't do static space for that
< 1226003667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would require 32 mb ram
< 1226003673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the static array
< 1226003684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to keep power of two nice
< 1226003701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have to use 4096x1024
< 1226003703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with offset
< 1226003716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait even more
< 1226003725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed a digit
< 1226003764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... more than 190 MB
< 1226003917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[]
< 1226003922 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226003926 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need a long-running benchmark,  (xxxx)(~:*:*:*:*~):^:^(~~:^)~^:^  takes pretty damn long before finally giving an "out of time" message.
< 1226003941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not really long running, I was using gprof
< 1226003953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was looking at callgraph 
< 1226003985 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure we're going to be programming DNA in some analogy of bfbasic soon
< 1226003986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1226003987 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt
< 1226003992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, last version ^
< 1226003993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226003998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how new it is. Let's diff...
< 1226004014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me when you have the last one
< 1226004030 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be the latest, diff reports no changes.
< 1226004049 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't done much to it lately.
< 1226004063 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This week I've been mostly writing jitfunge. :p
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< 1226004078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%ul (xxxx)(~:*:*:*:*~):^:^(~~:^)~^:^
< 1226004087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (xxxx)(~:*:*:*:*~):^:^(~~:^)~^:^
< 1226004111 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took me some 90 seconds last time.
< 1226004113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226004118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets wait
< 1226004124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how comes it is so slow there?
< 1226004152 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It builds a long string and then repeatedly swaps it around.
< 1226004167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well pushing string on stack is what I made faster
< 1226004171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as y does
< 1226004177 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226004180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ^ul (xxxx)(~:*:*:*:*~):^:^(~~:^)~^:^
< 1226004181 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...^ out of stack!
< 1226004183 0 :testthingy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226004186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226004187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's odd
< 1226004190 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a 16-kilobyte string.
< 1226004194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (xxxx)(~:*:*:*:*~):^:^(~~:^)~^:^
< 1226004195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specs on your system?
< 1226004198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I typoed the program
< 1226004208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... fizzie's system
< 1226004215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obviously a bit faster
< 1226004221 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.4 GHz Pentium-M is that fungot box.
< 1226004221 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: today's ( one of scheme48, you can implement syntax-rules with it.
< 1226004227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hrrm
< 1226004232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1226004237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit build
< 1226004238 0 :testthingy!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226004238 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 32-bit cells, of course.
< 1226004249 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226004250 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a x86-64 platform, after all.
< 1226004250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, concurrency?
< 1226004261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably enabled if it is by default.
< 1226004267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is on by default
< 1226004271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this worries me
< 1226004288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :testthingy should have been faster
< 1226004289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't
< 1226004411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION builds old one to test
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< 1226004447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%ul (xxxx)(~:*:*:*:*~):^:^(~~:^)~^:^
< 1226004449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (xxxx)(~:*:*:*:*~):^:^(~~:^)~^:^
< 1226004451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (xxxx)(~:*:*:*:*~):^:^(~~:^)~^:^
< 1226004482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which bot is using % as its character?
< 1226004486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :testthingy,
< 1226004491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is my copy of fungot
< 1226004496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, presumably that's fungot on optimised cfunge?
< 1226004505 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226004508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is on old pre-last-change cfunge
< 1226004518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last change made mycology a lot faster
< 1226004518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, thutubot won
< 1226004526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want to know if it slowed down fungot or not
< 1226004539 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226004539 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's quite a lot of doors for people with prior programming experience?' the answer to your question is that
< 1226004539 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ( that second one is horizontally displaced by 1 pixel with the hardware directly. :p)) for f(n-1) 2*f(n-2)
< 1226004539 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: we are asked to enter a player's name, but forget about the c2bf2c step
< 1226004550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sped it up by the look of it
< 1226004553 0 :testthingy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226004562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I guess other stuff running on my system is to blame
< 1226004586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for why my 2 GHz x86_64 is slower than that 1.4 GHz pentium M that fungot runs on
< 1226004586 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in one article then. my ass was saved by moore. i know. it just doesn't look right
< 1226004637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :43:03 - 41:17  vs. 49:13 - 47:27
< 1226004654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone wants to do the messy modulo 60 calcs for me?
< 1226004686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one?
< 1226004745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok speed up by 20 seconds
< 1226004762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which even on a single run should be enough to be significant
< 1226004765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice
< 1226004775 0 :testthingy!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226005056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn running that with gprof output on takes forever
< 1226005072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'll check on that when I get back
< 1226005205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no not 20
< 1226005206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10
< 1226005246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok interesting
< 1226005347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that stack
< 1226005353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does it go fizzie ?
< 1226005369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how far into negative space
< 1226005420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the main issue is that it seems to work a lot on outer fungespace
< 1226005486 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226005742 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one in that test? Well, 16k cells that way, obviously.
< 1226005818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION allocates a 128 MB large static array
< 1226005840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits
< 1226005889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ok I got it down to 41 seconds
< 1226005891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using this:
< 1226005895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define FUNGESPACE_STATIC_OFFSET_X (32768-1024)
< 1226005895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define FUNGESPACE_STATIC_OFFSET_Y 64
< 1226005895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define FUNGESPACE_STATIC_X 32768
< 1226005895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define FUNGESPACE_STATIC_Y 512
< 1226005915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you probably want later Y
< 1226005937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway I believe that is 64 MB
< 1226005949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 32-bit cells
< 1226006024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, thanks to linux allocating that lazily it won't take as much ram in fungot as that
< 1226006024 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how would you know?
< 1226006039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226006039 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | it's quite loaded and quite popular
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< 1226006339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still it went far into non static space
< 1226006532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes it dump edges
< 1226006647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err you grow something into positive space:
< 1226006649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coords: {-16395,-20} {16384,2000}
< 1226006664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks very very strange
< 1226006704 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungal growth
< 1226006856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ok I got it down to 10 seconds with this mad one:
< 1226006863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define FUNGESPACE_STATIC_OFFSET_X (32768/2)
< 1226006863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define FUNGESPACE_STATIC_OFFSET_Y 32
< 1226006863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define FUNGESPACE_STATIC_X 32768
< 1226006863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define FUNGESPACE_STATIC_Y 2048
< 1226006868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :around 250 MB ram I believe
< 1226006893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but please try to grow only in one direction
< 1226006895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1226007011 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1226007080 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right.
< 1226007104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That 16384 comes from the fact that it writes the string at x=0,y=10 for temporary storage when swapping it on in the stack.
< 1226007115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so it writes it positive too?
< 1226007119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that messes up
< 1226007125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get either easily but not both
< 1226007136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to write them all in the same direction
< 1226007166 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that easy, since STRN can only write in one direction. Of course I could use the current stack-top 'x' coordinate for the temporary storage too, I guess.
< 1226007174 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226007197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, don't you use STRN in both cases?
< 1226007206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why does one go positive and the other one negative?
< 1226007223 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the other one is a stack of strings; it's easier to grow that to the negative direction.
< 1226007245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well why does the other one go positive then?
< 1226007255 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise it's quite difficult to find how long the string is below the positive-stack-pointer.
< 1226007286 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the stack growing to the negative direction, I can just G at the current top-of-stack and I get the topmost string.
< 1226007311 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the other one grows to the positive direction because it's not a stack; when you P a string to temporary storage, that's the direction it writes to.
< 1226007323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, you can't get both, I recommend trying to put both in the same direction
< 1226007336 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I'm going to bother.
< 1226007341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1226007363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well by making one huge 512 MB static array I got execution time down to less than 10 seconds for it
< 1226007370 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The temporary storage start coordinate could follow the top of stack, but that's just extra work.
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< 1226007399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%ul (xxxx)(~:*:*:*:*~):^:^(~~:^)~^:^
< 1226007399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (xxxx)(~:*:*:*:*~):^:^(~~:^)~^:^
< 1226007399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (xxxx)(~:*:*:*:*~):^:^(~~:^)~^:^
< 1226007408 0 :testthingy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226007418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot will be next
< 1226007452 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226007473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well predicted
< 1226007489 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226007508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, however why does it go to positive 2000?
< 1226007510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in y
< 1226007511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1226007535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make this reasonable, 64 MB for 32-bit funge, if you didn't go that far
< 1226007596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hope that will teach you something or whatever
< 1226007634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :point is the less area you use for the static stuff the less memory you will waste and the more static you can use
< 1226007753 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no point in a Befunge irc-bot, really, no matter how much you'd like there to be.
< 1226007768 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did what was convenient to code, not what was optimized for maximum efficiency.
< 1226007773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh ok
< 1226007774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1226007785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but why do you use 2000 y?
< 1226007798 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that there's room for 1900 lines of code, of course.
< 1226007800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> There is no point in a Befunge irc-bot, really, no matter how much you'd like there to be. <--- wrong, you wouldn't have made one otherwise
< 1226007816 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, you don't really need to have the static space go that far down.
< 1226007828 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only used for storing the programs; for execution, they're copied to y=8.
< 1226007840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh? 512 is enough? because then I could actually recommend it on x86
< 1226007862 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source code length + 100 is enough.
< 1226007888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you feel about 128 MB RAM?
< 1226007904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it should be power of two
< 1226007910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 512 is not enough
< 1226007918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for source code length + 100
< 1226007924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 1024 is next step
< 1226007951 0 :testthingy!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226008005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily the "fill with spaces" code is vectorised
< 1226008008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is quite fast
< 1226008035 0 :omniscient_idiot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1226008058 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
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< 1226008075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%ul (xxxx)(~:*:*:*:*~):^:^(~~:^)~^:^
< 1226008084 0 :testthingy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226008092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: where does that particular test program come from, btw?
< 1226008099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, fizzie pasted it
< 1226008115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as one that took a long time
< 1226008128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this array size is way too big for normal usage
< 1226008146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you got 128 MB RAM and/or swap to waste however:
< 1226008148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define FUNGESPACE_STATIC_OFFSET_X 16396
< 1226008148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define FUNGESPACE_STATIC_OFFSET_Y 64
< 1226008148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define FUNGESPACE_STATIC_X 32768
< 1226008148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define FUNGESPACE_STATIC_Y 1024
< 1226008177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does thutubot out of time ais523?
< 1226008178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a non-rectangular shape would be a LOT faster
< 1226008182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can string rewriting languages know time.
< 1226008194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it counts the number of times round the main loop it goes
< 1226008201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a number system which vaguely resembles binary but isn't
< 1226008210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226008264 0 :testthingy!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226008273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i accidentally the time
< 1226008330 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, don't the time again
< 1226008362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i can't really, i accidentally the WHOLE time
< 1226008375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i will have to your salary
< 1226008430 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm gonna this book now.
< 1226008603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the WHOLE book?!
< 1226008648 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'll prolly only like 20 pages more
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< 1226009127 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226009396 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226009451 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's out-of-time check is also just a count of loop iterations, which is why it takes 90 seconds to time out with that program, but only a few for the standard infinite loop.
< 1226009452 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it just personal preference?,
< 1226009464 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:^):^
< 1226009464 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226009483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm counting the main loop of my Thutu program, not the main loop in the Underload program
< 1226009497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (::^):^
< 1226009497 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack!
< 1226009528 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, fungot counts the Underload interp loop, so it's pretty close to the amount of underload instructions actually executed.
< 1226009528 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you have 1 message. riastradh says: actually, it would be
< 1226009536 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (::^^)::^^
< 1226009537 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack!
< 1226009549 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you have a messaging service now too?
< 1226009549 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he annoyed the communist govt and was sent there.
< 1226009575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226009607 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor riastradh
< 1226009691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm working on improving STRN
< 1226009694 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#scheme's sarahbot had a feature where you could say "later tell <nick> <message>", and it would repeat that sort of message when <nick> next spoke. That's where the quote is from.
< 1226009703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however as a side effect of this it won't cast to char in between
< 1226009714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for P
< 1226009720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may do it for G, not sure
< 1226009798 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STRN improvements should help the underload interp. Although the Funge code could do with some optimization too.
< 1226009817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I noticed no difference for STRN really here
< 1226009824 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the beginning, accidentally a universe.
< 1226009834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, thing that would help: knowing how much you actually are going to push/pop
< 1226009842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeping a counter for that
< 1226010519 0 :Corun__!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226010646 0 :Corun__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun
< 1226010700 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226010732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real    0m0.048s
< 1226010732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user    0m0.032s
< 1226010732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys     0m0.012s
< 1226010734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for mycology
< 1226010736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1226010739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^
< 1226010751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is profiled build
< 1226010760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :profile-feedback*
< 1226010761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1226011143 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-125-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226011228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226011535 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226013185 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226013316 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226013460 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1226013556 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1226013906 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1226013953 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1226015821 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1226015822 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1226015901 0 :optbot!n=optbot@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1226016015 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..."
< 1226016029 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226016059 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1226018488 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Or something.
< 1226019469 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+"
< 1226020554 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1226020906 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226021211 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the world needs a web server in brainfuck
< 1226021220 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it
< 1226021282 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :netcat will go up front, i'm not writing a tcp stack
< 1226021906 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: That won't work, with netcat you can only have one pipe. You should make it an [x]inetd client.
< 1226021921 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a multithreaded bf laying around?
< 1226021972 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :netcat -e should fire up a new process
< 1226021981 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, xinetd
< 1226021991 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but NOREUSE
< 1226022022 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure
< 1226022093 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey you wrote ork
< 1226022099 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!n=boa@adsl-155-76-92.btr.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226024310 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: Yes, yes I did.
< 1226024521 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and 2L and fyb are great stuff
< 1226024547 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hadn't seen fyb when i suggested brainfuck corewars
< 1226025939 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-24-167.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226025975 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I for one welcome our new negro overlord
< 1226026891 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah is demerited ten credits for violation of san angeles civil codes E15 and R3
< 1226026945 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot
< 1226027693 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Rabbie_Haggis!.jpg/800px-Rabbie_Haggis!.jpg
< 1226027950 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226029176 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :﻿I'm celebrating Obama's victory by setting my profile picture on Facebook to this: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30178018&l=1f7b9&id=1055580469
< 1226029258 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this
< 1226029275 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's me :P
< 1226029388 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a pretty swarthy babby
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< 1226030521 0 :optbot!n=optbot@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226030601 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Unisex."
< 1226031013 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226032774 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1226032774 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1226033064 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226033064 0 :optbot!n=optbot@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1226040086 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I don't mean anything
< 1226040515 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wow... added -O3 to the build arguments in jitfunge just to see if the compiler affects the speed at all. life.bf speed jumped from 10 megs / 20 seconds -> 37 megs / 20 seconds. Even though it doesn't really change the generated code at all. Should profile the beast a bit, I guess.
< 1226040811 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats.. odd
< 1226040819 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the generated code is the same, how is it faster?
< 1226040983 0 :mu!n=boa@adsl-159-16-179.btr.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226041570 0 :Jiminy_Cricket!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1226042100 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's a lot of overhead in calling the separate generated functions. The actual compilation time shouldn't really matter as long as it's not a self-modifying program.
< 1226042494 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226042931 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@129.27.148.215 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226042945 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226044720 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>>++++++++[<++++>-]
< 1226044735 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>>++++++++[<++++>-]<.>>>++++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<---.<<<<.+++.------.--------.>>+.
< 1226044799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1226044905 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>>++++++++[<++++>-]
< 1226044905 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1226044959 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, and life.bf output 37M -> 46M when I just changed the fungespace "get" function to use __attribute__ ((regparam (2))).
< 1226047444 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226047645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wow
< 1226047657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well yes it would help on x86 a lot
< 1226047681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, cfunge already uses __attribute__ ((regparam (3))) for most stuff on x86
< 1226048383 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1226049612 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-24-167.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226050904 0 :Corun!n=Corun@wavelan117.doc.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226051190 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1226053395 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1226053798 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, that was a lot of bug-hunting to find out that the regparm register order is eax, edx, ecx and not eax, ecx, edx.
< 1226056424 0 :pgimeno!n=pgimeno@195-5-95-34.usul.arrakis.es JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226056544 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just fixed the Bitxtreme home page, in case someone tried to access it with no success (I noticed it in the logs that there were some unsuccesful attempts)
< 1226056556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pgimeno
< 1226056560 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1226058609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there still?
< 1226058617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226058624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for another couple of hours probably
< 1226058626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any idea why "POSIX.1-2008 marks gettimeofday() as obsolete."
< 1226058627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then again later
< 1226058633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have googled and found nothing
< 1226058643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't figure out what it would recommend as replacement
< 1226058646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is either that it isn't precise enough, or that it doesn't handle timezones correctly, or something like that
< 1226058663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember, though, that POSIX deprecate a lot of things, they even deprecated tar a while ago...
< 1226058664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well what on earth should it be replaced with then?
< 1226058680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and something neither of us has ever heard of, almost certainly
< 1226058732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clock_gettime() is optional in POSIX.1-2001... but seems required in 2008 edition.
< 1226058741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that got nanoseconds
< 1226058748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clock_gettime is one of the functions I try to use for profiling in C-INTERCAL
< 1226058782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do profiling the good old-fashioned and almost useless way, by grabbing a really precise timer as often as possible and counting the length of the intervals
< 1226058791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SunOS is the only operating system I ever got it to work on
< 1226058805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's part of the charm of it really, it's meant to be useful in theory but not in practice
< 1226058821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wtf why did that terminal lock up when I tried to tab complete
< 1226058874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kills
< 1226058891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a broken tab-completion script somewhere, bash tab-completion is Turing-complete in theory
< 1226058902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man posix<tab>
< 1226058920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but usually ctrl-c will kill it
< 1226058936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however nothing, short of kill -9 on bash worked
< 1226058938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time
< 1226058940 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was busy with disk access?
< 1226058949 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wild guess)
< 1226058957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it's interesting to use top to see what's up with a process when it freezes
< 1226058960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, I got a loud hd and no
< 1226058990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, top said it was "not running", ps aux just showed the usual S
< 1226058994 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :network access? (that's happened to me once, I had a mounted samba resource but the computer wasn't there)
< 1226059006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, nop, no such thing mounted
< 1226059016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I suppose it's possible you'd have a network drive in your manpath...
< 1226059039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 1) I don't 2) I do use nfs, but the nfs stuff isn't mounted currently so...
< 1226059042 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@89.108.248.127 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226059049 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1226059050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) ps aux would show that as D in status col iirc
< 1226059056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4) ps aux said S
< 1226059068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it would be D for network access
< 1226059070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi asiekierka
< 1226059083 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Hi ais523!)S
< 1226059083 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523!
< 1226059101 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (I'm bored enough to not talk by my---ehh. Oh well.)S
< 1226059102 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bored enough to not talk by my---ehh. Oh well.
< 1226059103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%ul (you still here?)S
< 1226059107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not
< 1226059113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fungot and thutubot, then
< 1226059113 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you can
< 1226059116 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%ul (Are you dead?)S
< 1226059122 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No he's not!
< 1226059123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... we should add a new esolang to one of those bots some da
< 1226059125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*day
< 1226059131 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda! :D
< 1226059161 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing is sad about Unlambda: You can't ROT13 in it
< 1226059170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1226059174 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how?
< 1226059181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can, you just effectively have to write a massive switch statement
< 1226059184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is long and boring
< 1226059198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as each individual character has to be mentioned seperately, Unlambda has no notion of ASCII codes
< 1226059214 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1226059264 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about addition? How do numbers in Unlambda work?
< 1226059268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, something like: clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME, &my_timespec); I guess...
< 1226059277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm not going to add that yet
< 1226059279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: the same way as in Underload, although they look different
< 1226059286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Church numerals
< 1226059304 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload's 2 = :*, Underload's 4 = :::***
< 1226059308 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about Unlambda
< 1226059309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas in Underload you make a function which makes n copies in a string, in Unlambda you make a function which runs a function n times
< 1226059337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 0 = lambda(x) lambda(f) {x}, 1 = lambda(x) lambda(f) {f(x)}, 2 = lambda(x) lambda(f) {f(f(x))} and so on
< 1226059358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, got the lambdas backwards
< 1226059364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those should all be lambda(f) lambda(x) {...}
< 1226059408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 0 = `ki, 1 = i, and 2 is a mess: it's ``s``s`ks`ki``s``s`ks`kii
< 1226059414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although 2 simplifies to some extent
< 1226059449 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vomits all over the channel
< 1226059458 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've gota love Iota then :)
< 1226059467 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone use Iota?
< 1226059483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: I don't think so, it's like Unlambda but more annoying, because you basically have to expand s and k too
< 1226059518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a number-generator somewhere which works for both Unlambda and Lazy K, I'm not sure where or who wrote it though
< 1226059780 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC Jot accepts any number
< 1226059822 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, you mean produces an expression for a number, not a valid program...
< 1226059823 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226059832 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much for him? :P
< 1226059833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226059839 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@89.108.248.127 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226059860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably too much for his client, it's busy trying to interpret all the stuff we say in here and crashes whenever it's too complicated or somebody says an infinite loop
< 1226059904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:^):^
< 1226059913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for asiekierka's client to crash
< 1226059924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you didn't say what lang it was in
< 1226059927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (:^):^
< 1226059928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1226059928 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226059937 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, i only support DOBELA
< 1226059939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it doesn't know Underload
< 1226059939 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck!
< 1226059951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: but the null string's an infiniloop in DOBELA, IIRC
< 1226060011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird
< 1226060046 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASIEBOT 0.1 - SPEC VERSION 2.0 - UPTIME: 0d:00h:00m:01s - RESTART COMPLETED
< 1226060051 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... :(
< 1226060055 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed it
< 1226060067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1226060073 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you need to prefix it with +do
< 1226060127 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, ais523, the spec has been... REPAIRED!
< 1226060145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you know if math functions being in libm is standard or not?
< 1226060148 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and \n equals newline in my +do interpreter
< 1226060162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if not, how to find out in a portable way
< 1226060164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sin, cos, etc are in libm everywhere I know except DOS/Windows where they're in libc
< 1226060190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well the 3p sin man page doesn't mention libm, that is what got me wondering
< 1226060663 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gatefreak: <> moves around the pointer, A ANDs the bit on the pointer with the bit in the SB (Storage Bit) O ORs the pointed bit with SB, ^ flips the pointed bit, X XORs the pointed bit with SB, * swaps the pointed bit with SB, _ cleans SB.
< 1226060667 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get rid of _
< 1226060673 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So <>AO^X*
< 1226060685 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! - if SB is 1, skip the next command
< 1226060694 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or no
< 1226060702 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!@ - Just like [], but it loops if SB is 1
< 1226060770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... /me ponders brainfuck using ABSTAIN/REINSTATE/TRY AGAIN flow control
< 1226061108 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Circute worthwhile?
< 1226061137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: I don't think it can store an infinite amount of data
< 1226061176 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it can't
< 1226061267 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to play a game
< 1226061282 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish for a programming game that uses an esolang
< 1226061416 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know one esolang that's useful for making a bot and wasn't taken
< 1226061420 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than Befunge, Thutu and Taxi
< 1226061451 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any other?
< 1226061463 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe... Piet?
< 1226061475 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An art(ificial) ircbot!
< 1226061585 0 :Corun!n=Corun@wavelan117.doc.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226061686 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | :P
< 1226061730 0 :asiekd!n=asiekd@89.108.248.127 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226061743 0 :asiekd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm
< 1226061779 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's analyzing the logs
< 1226061786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi asiekd
< 1226061796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an asiekierka dameon, by any chance?
< 1226061912 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1226061921 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any good offline Piet editor?
< 1226061933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as far as I know, although presumably most graphics programs would work
< 1226061950 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS Paint?
< 1226061968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would do, I have KolourPaint over here which is effectively the Linux equivalent
< 1226061979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's what I'd probably use for Pier
< 1226061980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Piet
< 1226061985 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used The Gimp for that.
< 1226061996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: overkill, surely?
< 1226062011 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but I already had good handling of it :)
< 1226062105 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you put numbers to Piet without I/O?
< 1226062147 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean constants?
< 1226062147 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226062148 0 :asiekd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer
< 1226062166 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@89.108.248.127 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226062182 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1226062197 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean to put numbers in Piet?
< 1226062208 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in
< 1226062210 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to push "9"
< 1226062222 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :constants, then, right?
< 1226062224 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the "value of the colour block" mean
< 1226062227 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, pgimeno
< 1226062290 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to refresh my Piet, but IIRC the only important thing is the color changes, not the actual color
< 1226062317 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, the reference Piet program has a bug, I wrote a fixed version
< 1226062337 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reference Piet hello progra, that is
< 1226062341 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*program
< 1226062390 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :push - Pushes the value of the colour block just exited on to the stack
< 1226062418 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that, I think there's a table
< 1226062448 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lightness change/Hue change
< 1226062468 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one sec, let me look at the spec
< 1226062490 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I think it's the area in pixels
< 1226062521 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1226062528 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Each non-black, non-white colour block in a Piet program represents an integer equal to the number of codels in that block."
< 1226062557 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Codels?
< 1226062564 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pixels are called Codels.
< 1226062569 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226062581 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if i move 10 times through the same light red, then go to red, to execute pusg
< 1226062582 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :push*
< 1226062585 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll put 10 on the stack
< 1226062690 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to move from a 10-pixel light red block to a red block
< 1226062761 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Augh, i'd so like a 6x3 color table
< 1226062786 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use gimp? :P
< 1226062952 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226062954 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made the color table
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< 1226063865 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh sorry, the original Hello program was correct, the one which was wrong was the Fibonacci program
< 1226063883 0 :ttm_!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226063884 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/piet/fib2.php
< 1226063927 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226064281 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226064625 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~/src/jitfunge$ cat test.b98
< 1226064625 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NRTS"4( 67*S >:#,_ a, @
< 1226064625 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~/src/jitfunge$ build/jitfunge test.b98
< 1226064625 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42
< 1226064653 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hee, there's some rudimentary support for fingerprints. Still a lot of work; haven't even started the mess with 'k'.
< 1226064672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wanna write a fingerprint!
< 1226064675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay? :p
< 1226064683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only it'd compile :'(
< 1226064743 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should fix the "doesn't build on OS X" thing -- how hard could it be?
< 1226064760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting idea.
< 1226064767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What about the syscalls you use, though?
< 1226064771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those won't work...
< 1226064775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't think?
< 1226064780 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use any.
< 1226064787 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For I/O and friends I call C++ functions.
< 1226064793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1226064811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Surely it'd be more efficient, like, calling "putchar"?
< 1226064914 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the interp_writechar function just calls putchar. I guess I could generate calls directly to the library function.
< 1226065144 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious, I'm not getting any DHCP replies from the WLAN around here.
< 1226065216 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will make it very difficult for me to get the stuffs on the OS X laptop.
< 1226065252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I could do the retarded thing I always do and give you an account on this machine, despite it having insanely liberal permissions set.
< 1226065276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just postpone OS X fixery; after all, the pre-christmas celebrationary thingie we have here starts in 20 minutes anyway.
< 1226065331 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem to start earlier and earlier every year.
< 1226065411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is very early
< 1226065639 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The official justification was "blah blah end-of-the-year is so busy blah blah".
< 1226065758 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, the web page for the place it is (some sort of cruise ship thing) advertises their pre-christmas party package "starting August 15th", so it could be worse.
< 1226065771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, September, I mean. Still.
< 1226066462 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, what was that language using emoticons
< 1226066845 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
< 1226066851 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wayback Machine is down
< 1226066871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: can you find a wayback version of wayback to have a look for it in
< 1226066895 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, su... HEY!
< 1226067203 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-24-167.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226067554 0 :ttm_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226067786 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does someone have Tory's specs?
< 1226067797 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tory", as in, the esolang Tory.
< 1226067829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have specs?
< 1226067834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes it does
< 1226067840 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably http://esolangs.org/wiki/Tory is no use?
< 1226067849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just typed that to get the link
< 1226067928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just brainfuck
< 1226067938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with commands replaced with uk-conservative-party-disparaging phrases
< 1226067940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the source is interesting
< 1226067942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a SET command, iirc.
< 1226067957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We will tax everything that can be taxed! We will abolish schools!"
< 1226067977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we will tax the abolishment of schools
< 1226068006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a flavour of what the lang looks like
< 1226068457 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226068876 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webarchive works
< 1226068891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh. uk id cards
< 1226068908 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing a Tory IRCBot
< 1226068917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uninteresting language + irc bot
< 1226068919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recipe for fun
< 1226069343 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat
< 1226069349 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote the whole code outputting "NICK asiebot"
< 1226069447 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's enormous
< 1226069454 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assbot
< 1226069476 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up
< 1226069513 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code is nonsense
< 1226069516 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who cares
< 1226069518 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/jjls5x81.html
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< 1226070982 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
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< 1226071390 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
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< 1226072254 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1226073493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid sites. and their downness
< 1226074496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_that_ is clever
< 1226075279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, still there?
< 1226075304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, he isn't
< 1226075316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then who to ask hm... oerjan but he isn't here.
< 1226075753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm back now...
< 1226075764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't see the question
< 1226075986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I got help in another channel
< 1226076007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering about a math question
< 1226076009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still interested as to what the question was
< 1226076011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ok
< 1226076024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question was why is it so that if the sum of the digits in a number is evenly dividable by 3 then the original number is also evenly dividable by 3
< 1226076026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that you listed me and oerjan I was wondering if it was INTERCAL...
< 1226076031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I figured out a proof for it
< 1226076043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's because (10-1) is divisible by 3 and we use base 10, very roughly
< 1226076049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I figured it out
< 1226076076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) if y (mod 3) === 0 then  y*10^n (mod 3) === 0  for any positive integer n. It would be enough to prove it for n=1 and n=n+1
< 1226076079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) x+y (mod n) === x(mod n) + y(mod n)
< 1226076092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using those together it should be possible to make a proof I think
< 1226076128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can write a number as a sum of digit*10^n
< 1226076132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where n is the position
< 1226076147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right?
< 1226076447 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooo
< 1226076469 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can trivially prove it by induction, although i'm not entirely sure that's it.
< 1226076511 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just as well prove that for any N in y (mod N)?
< 1226077112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok, hm
< 1226077201 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1226077204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1226077216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok, well easy to show that is wrong: 7^2 (mod 4) is not same as 7^3 (mod 4)
< 1226077257 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1226077258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that 7^n (mod 3) === 7^(n+1) (mod 3) but I haven't tried to prove it yet
< 1226077277 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well doesn't matter
< 1226077335 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226078259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah in the end it all boils down to x^y (mod n) === (x (mod n))^y
< 1226078362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 10^n-1 is always divisible by 9 because it's 999999.....
< 1226078453 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-085-095.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226078644 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@89.108.248.127 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226078650 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ji
< 1226078651 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi*
< 1226078761 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm bored
< 1226078908 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made up a language for idiots
< 1226078961 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/kQWMkn46.html
< 1226078995 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[val2] means [val2] or a number
< 1226079000 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vars can be only letters
< 1226079004 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :val == var, stry
< 1226079007 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry*
< 1226079039 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICKEN a 97 | WALK a | KICK a | STAY a
< 1226079048 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an infinite loop saying "a" infinitely
< 1226079055 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remove KICK a and SICKEN a 97, you have a normal infinite loop
< 1226079937 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226079989 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226080474 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still no quine in Piet? hm...
< 1226080717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, and since 10 (mod 3) === 1 and 1^y = 1
< 1226080759 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226081045 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@89.108.248.127 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226081479 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1226081614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070809195732AAHoeFz the asker's reply to the response is a bit bizarre...
< 1226081713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is...
< 1226081720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was a yahoo answers troll who asked
< 1226081731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, who spends $3500 that quickly?
< 1226081733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't answer.
< 1226081744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/7byu0/how_do_i_get_on_web_20/c068osg
< 1226081745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :troll
< 1226081751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I can believe that there would be people who'd ask questions that stupid, I don't know how they'd find yahoo answers in the first place
< 1226081759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AjDMN.NB1ExAd.ZT5l1FtDXty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20070205120422AAx9Xqu
< 1226082370 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-125-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226082577 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226082579 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m-hm
< 1226083286 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | foldr max 0 list
< 1226083380 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226083785 0 :Corun!n=Corun@dyn1207-187.wlan.ic.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226084243 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1226084403 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1226084658 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-85-133.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226084792 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226084800 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1226084817 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plwp
< 1226084834 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plpp
< 1226085407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<asiekierka> One thing is sad about Unlambda: You can't ROT13 in it
< 1226085434 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall submitting a rot13 for unlambda to some page
< 1226085481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as ais523 mentioned, you need to test for every character that can be changed
< 1226085507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the | function allows you to copy a character unchanged)
< 1226085555 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, i'm not making an Unlambda IRC bot
< 1226085557 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER
< 1226085572 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot had unlambda
< 1226085575 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-125-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226085587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda isn't too hard to implement, apart from c and d
< 1226085592 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as in
< 1226085599 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ircbot WRITTEN IN unlambda
< 1226085601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should implement it in Thutubot some time
< 1226085615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be awkward
< 1226085642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1226085654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can handle most of the commands except d relatively easily
< 1226085657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that character testing (that was to asiekierka)
< 1226085663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1226085664 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1226085666 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But basically
< 1226085672 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you detect PI
< 1226085676 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you rewrite it as PO
< 1226085676 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing impossible though i think
< 1226085682 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and copy everything else down to .net
< 1226085687 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226085724 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or everything else down to \n
< 1226085736 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. Now you have PING/PONG support.
< 1226085772 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you detect : you can choose to analyze for a nick etc. up to the next space
< 1226085802 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it may not be that hard really (more than usual for unlambda)
< 1226085811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, .net?
< 1226085826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you meant to ping asiekierka I think
< 1226085830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226085831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1226085835 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for an esolang that will be the best for my needs.
< 1226085836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about .org?
< 1226085845 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1226085849 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not .net/.org
< 1226085850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1226085851 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant "\n"
< 1226085852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, ^
< 1226085854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226085863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<asiekierka> I'm looking for an esolang that will be the best for my needs. <--- that sentence almost contains a contradiction straight off
< 1226085896 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1226085903 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think befunge and glass are "relatively" easy to program in
< 1226085917 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge was taken
< 1226085920 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is glass implemented
< 1226085920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and INTERCAL too, except for string processing
< 1226085925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, glass is implemented
< 1226085928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: sure
< 1226085934 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1226085938 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good one actually
< 1226085939 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glassbot
< 1226085942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's GregorR's language, also comes with EgoBot
< 1226085948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Glass is considered unique by its creator because it combines the unintuitive postfix notation with object orientation, and also requires extensive use of a main stack, despite being (mostly) object oriented. No other language (that he knows of) is implemented like this, because it would be idiotic to do so."
< 1226085949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1226085958 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but EgoBot was not written in it)
< 1226085995 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is there a tutorial on Glass
< 1226085999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226086004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its in the first paragraph of the wiki article
< 1226086008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look it up.
< 1226086012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: yes, it's a part of this channel's log
< 1226086147 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling Glass for irc
< 1226086154 0 :ab5tract!n=ab5tract@pool-71-246-5-13.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226086173 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And i hate how the glass_irc.exe goes to 1,22mb and still wants cygwin1.dll
< 1226086196 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: http://www.miranda.org/~jkominek/rot13/unlambda/
< 1226086397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i smell copypaste
< 1226086397 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226086406 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what?
< 1226086418 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean there's a lot of repetition? :D
< 1226086423 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!!
< 1226086423 0 :asiekierka!n=asiekier@89.108.248.127 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226086438 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should've added some candy.
< 1226086451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, or possibly i used vim to search/replace
< 1226086511 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just a very simple implementation, i assume
< 1226086529 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider the d's to be the candy ;)
< 1226086611 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been *very* long since the archive's last update
< 1226086631 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't anyone have files to contribute to the archive?
< 1226086633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what archive?
< 1226086643 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esolangs archive
< 1226086654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pgimeno
< 1226086656 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/files/
< 1226086659 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird
< 1226086666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, oh I host my tarballs on sf.net and the development repos on my own server
< 1226086672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: yes but I've been putting them all on eso-std.org recently
< 1226086729 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that it will fail to be the reference archive for everything esolangs-related, which is the purpose for creating it
< 1226086741 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was, even
< 1226086754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, there isn't even any web based upload page?
< 1226086756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could help
< 1226086773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a public ftp "incomming" directory
< 1226086782 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nope, graue is who runs the archive and can create svn users
< 1226086794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue was in here a while ago
< 1226086802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226086805 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have access to svn and can upload in the name of someone
< 1226086808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, today?
< 1226086808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? I missed it
< 1226086811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1226086812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :months ago
< 1226086833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, well not sure I want to host it there then
< 1226086847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer someone that is reasonably reachable
< 1226086857 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue's pretty responsive to email IME
< 1226086864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226086865 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly ignores esolangs if not being actively emailed
< 1226086867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IME?
< 1226086867 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hm, maybe you can find graue and ask him svn access
< 1226086872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: In My Experience
< 1226086887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, well I just got efunge and cfunge
< 1226086898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that old bashfuck too
< 1226086908 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good :)
< 1226086913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they are all named after language of implementation)
< 1226086942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... one thing I'm thinking of doing is a historical C-INTERCAL versions page
< 1226086949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see how many of them I can salvage from various placs
< 1226086949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster with svn access would be scary
< 1226086951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*places
< 1226086957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have all the recent ones myself ofc
< 1226086965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hunting down the older ones could be fun
< 1226086976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, I guess I could submit last cfunge for uploading there. hm
< 1226086998 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that'd be cool, I guess, but is there a cfunge page in the wiki?
< 1226087008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, it is mentioned on the befunge page
< 1226087013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is a befunge implementation
< 1226087017 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice
< 1226087029 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering how do you do subclasses or something in Glass
< 1226087033 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they were vairants
< 1226087033 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{k[d(_o)O!"Hello World!"(_o)o.?]}{M[m(_e)k!(_k)k.d]}
< 1226087035 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This doesn't work
< 1226087035 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*variants
< 1226087039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, GPL3
< 1226087053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea if you want that
< 1226087076 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226087077 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1226087092 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226087098 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you mean if I want it in the archive? sure, why not? there are the impl/ directories just for that
< 1226087104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, right.
< 1226087112 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{K[k(_o)O!"Hello World!"(_o)o.?]}{M[m(_e)K!(_k)K.k]} - doesn't work either
< 1226087123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, http://downloads.sourceforge.net/cfunge/cfunge-0.3.3.tar.bz2 is download.
< 1226087134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :releases happen every other month or so
< 1226087140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes more often
< 1226087171 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226087176 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works now
< 1226087189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, there is an example hello world on the wiki
< 1226087257 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226087258 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the examples
< 1226087261 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got to understand it
< 1226087274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, efunge haven't had it's first release yet (public bzr repo exists)
< 1226087286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kuonet.org/~anmaster/cfunge/ http://kuonet.org/~anmaster/efunge/
< 1226087313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for efunge most work is currently happening in a feature branch)
< 1226087475 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm looking for a list of older versions of cfunge but I don't know how to get the listing
< 1226087516 0 :GlassBot!n=GlassBot@89.108.248.127 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226087520 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1226087531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you expect that to not work?
< 1226087538 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1226087543 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expected it to work
< 1226087554 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that written in Glass?
< 1226087558 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1226087562 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the glass_irc program
< 1226087567 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's an IRC glass intepreter
< 1226087568 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass {M[m(_o)O!"Hello World!"(_o)o.?]}
< 1226087574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1226087575 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{M[m(_o)O!"Hello World!"(_o)o.?]}
< 1226087591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!glass m(_o)O!"Hello world!"(_O)o.?
< 1226087623 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can also go the other way, and run the glass interpreter through socat
< 1226087624 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no one knows how it is used?
< 1226087646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: what is the format for using an IRC glass bot?
< 1226087654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have the source?
< 1226087658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, that should be a giveaway
< 1226087661 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's to download!
< 1226087665 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the esoteric file archiver
< 1226087667 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :archive*
< 1226087668 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glass-0.12
< 1226087718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that example program is copypaste so should work...
< 1226087758 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait i think i have glass on this account
< 1226087759 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It records the output
< 1226087766 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but glass compiled with -DIRC?
< 1226087786 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::G!On the esoteric file archiver
< 1226087786 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<asieki
< 1226087787 0 :GlassBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1226087787 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1226087791 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAH!
< 1226087802 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To run it, modify glassIRC.sh to fit your needs then:
< 1226087804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc -e ./glassIRC.sh irc.freenode.net 6667
< 1226087806 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::G!{M[m(_o)O!"Hello World!"(_o)o.?]}
< 1226087808 0 :GlassBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World!
< 1226087811 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go...
< 1226087816 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay
< 1226087822 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you have a free glass testing bot
< 1226087829 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use it for the next half a hour
< 1226087831 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until i go away
< 1226087835 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then when i'm back
< 1226087837 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i put it up again
< 1226087844 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until i make the other project of course
< 1226088077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone make it run an infinite loop.
< 1226088157 0 :GlassBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226088423 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_a)1=/(_a)\
< 1226088428 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't this code snippet an infinite loop?
< 1226088431 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to work for me
< 1226088515 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226088549 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1226088615 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i quite did the infiniloop now
< 1226088767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably want <1> not 1
< 1226088772 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1226088781 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not the problem, socat still terminates after a second
< 1226088814 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As does nc
< 1226088832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe an empty command list in /\ isn't allowed
< 1226088853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here, probably AnMaster, know how to sort a list with standard Unix commands by the letters of the list in reverse order?
< 1226088860 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works without nc/socat
< 1226088967 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1226089098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is on a quest to find as many historical versions of INTERCAL as possible
< 1226089105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have all the ones back to 0.18, except 0.23 which was apparently never released
< 1226089124 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have 0.01?
< 1226089126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the DOS port of 0.15
< 1226089137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the very early ones are apparently still on Usenet somewhere, I'll try to find them
< 1226089220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: that would be 01.0
< 1226089238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's minor.major
< 1226089278 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1226089281 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the earliest version
< 1226089433 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is 0.2.1 the first version you uploaded to SF?
< 1226089434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 0.01 is as it happens the earliest version
< 1226089445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that makes no sense
< 1226089448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corresponding to what would be 1.0 in other projects
< 1226089455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it never had a beta :p
< 1226089464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1226089464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you expect?
< 1226089466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually 10.0
< 1226089468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1226089471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in INTERCAL major changes are released as .0 releases
< 1226089476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bugfixes are .1, .2 etc
< 1226089479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for C-INTERCAL
< 1226089482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 01.0 but that's odd
< 1226089483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1226089491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why wasn't it 0.1
< 1226089498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad question
< 1226089499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1226089499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1226089611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I just replied to a Usenet post from 2003
< 1226089618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it hadn't been answered
< 1226089718 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :five years for an usenet reply, wow
< 1226089816 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not unheard of
< 1226089955 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls when usenet posts _expired_, dammit
< 1226089975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still do, just first Deja than Google managed to catch copies of them before they vanished
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< 1226090186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pgimeno> AnMaster: is 0.2.1 the first version you uploaded to SF? <-- hm not sure
< 1226090204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, you can check out the bzr repo
< 1226090210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as mentioned on the home isite
< 1226090241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :web site*
< 1226090258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, the bzr got tags for each release
< 1226090263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzr repo*
< 1226090313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, but iirc in the beginning I hosted it elsewhere yes
< 1226090338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tarballs aren't around I guess, since the whole revision history contains the info
< 1226090664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bak
< 1226090793 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack
< 1226090806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here have versions of C-INTERCAL before 0.18, by the way?
< 1226090813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sitting around on a hard drive somewhere, maybe?
< 1226090879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1226090889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to have a 0.3 here
< 1226090894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: ^ lies
< 1226090904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: were you even alive then?
< 1226090915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more likely someone like oerjan would have one
< 1226090927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i likely wasn't alive then, no
< 1226090930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it was probably the 80s
< 1226090957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most things are older than me
< 1226090957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1226091010 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226091023 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes he doesn't have intercal at all
< 1226091043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive
< 1226091051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that you coded an Unlambda interp in it
< 1226091054 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the compiler was only on my office PC before i moved
< 1226091056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get it working first time by hand?
< 1226091059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, and ok
< 1226091901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, I've tracked sufficiently far back now that email addresses used exclamation marks
< 1226091914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the servers which hosted intercal 0.9 apparently still exists, but it isn't serving intercal any more
< 1226092015 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can start to worry when the people start to be _named_ Ugh
< 1226092036 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I've found tarballs for 0.2.1 and 0.3.0 through 0.3.3
< 1226092093 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I was going to upload that, if you don't mind
< 1226092293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1226092296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION found intercal-0.3.shar
< 1226092308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly one of the oldest extant versions
< 1226092337 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great!
< 1226092364 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1226092421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 0.1 should be easy
< 1226092433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, its famous
< 1226092435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the manual
< 1226092487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the manual existed even before 0.1
< 1226092492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was written back in 1972
< 1226092535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right
< 1226092536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-intercal
< 1226092538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just intercal
< 1226092622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me arbitrarily assigns version numbers to C-INTERCAL 1.3 and 2.3
< 1226092625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/me
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< 1226093435 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=QcSfj5LxDbI&
< 1226093435 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw :(
< 1226093809 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226094301 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1226095152 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1226096361 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@net-93-145-221-74.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226097670 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226098324 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night
< 1226098328 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1226098709 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1226100296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye ais523
< 1226100325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi me
< 1226100431 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o
< 1226101297 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226101370 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226102534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.virtualstapler.com/
< 1226103302 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a staple-free stapler.
< 1226103410 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e_type
< 1226104886 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | but... befunge's commands are just good enough
< 1226105464 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, that was a long pre-christmas party; it's almost 03 am in this time zone.
< 1226105478 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm in any condition to work on jitfunge right now.
< 1226106449 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering it's been almost a year since christmas, yeah, that's a long party
< 1226106833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it was an early pre-christmas thing. People did complain about it being too early for that sort of thing.
< 1226107478 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's extremely pre- ...
< 1226107486 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you don't celebrate Thanksgiving.
< 1226107501 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What with that being an American holiday)
< 1226107519 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanksgiving is the de facto cutoff for Christmas-related events :P
< 1226107548 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear warrie: Now that you've entered middle school, please apply for our college. The deadline is tomorrow.
< 1226107590 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear warrie: Now that you've applied for college, please apply for graduate school. The deadline is last Monday.
< 1226107760 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean four days ago or eleven days ago?
< 1226107766 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even five or twelve days ago?
< 1226108463 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We know about thanksgiving, but it's not really a holiday.
< 1226108511 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the company providing the cruise ship for today's celebrationationary things started their pre-christmas cruise offering on September 15th; now *that* would've been very pre.
< 1226108541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, must sleeps now. Will probabley be a bit hungey-overy tomorrow. :/
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< 1226115029 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1226117489 0 :mu!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :omniscient_idiot
< 1226118167 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1226119369 0 :omniscient_idiot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1226123285 0 :molchuvka!n=molchuvk@ra16.cdma.bwc.ru JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226124151 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat"
< 1226126188 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hi Im a qit msg virus. Pls rplce ur old qit msg wit tis 1 & hlp me tk ovr th wrld of IRC. and dlte ur files. and email ths to
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< 1226126380 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1226126487 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | 1"logic"="logical"
< 1226131199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1226131978 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1226132861 0 :molchuvka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1226134070 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1226134086 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1226134689 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Augh
< 1226134696 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to change my mac address on linux
< 1226134712 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ifconfig wlan1 down | ifconfig wlan1 hw ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx | ifconfig wlan1 up doesn't work
< 1226134714 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on hw ether
< 1226134721 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives me an Invalid Argument error
< 1226134724 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenSuSE 11
< 1226134859 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work though
< 1226134868 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you check the manpage
< 1226134988 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
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< 1226137277 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)
< 1226137644 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
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< 1226138360 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226138525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning
< 1226138534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, ok
< 1226138577 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226138737 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
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< 1226143524 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-163.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226143930 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1226145371 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what name do I use?
< 1226145382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what?
< 1226145518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226145633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, ?
< 1226145639 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226145640 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the commit message
< 1226145648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my name?
< 1226145657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arvid Norlander
< 1226145658 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name you want to appear
< 1226145661 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226145663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gues
< 1226145666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess*
< 1226145684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, it is what it says in the cfunge GPL headers anyway ;P
< 1226145714 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this OK then?: svn commit -m "Add Arvid Norlander's Befunge implementation, cfunge"
< 1226145737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I have made several befunge implementations, not all finished
< 1226145742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one of them I guess
< 1226145749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge is the most completed and well tested one
< 1226145768 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Add cfunge, one of Arvid Norlander's Befunge implementations" - better?
< 1226145777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :)
< 1226145815 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, is that ok?
< 1226145827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes fine with me
< 1226145965 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :commit finished - now all that remains is that the cron script that refreshes the archive is triggered.
< 1226145978 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's already in svn.
< 1226146057 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazingly, there was no Befunge implementation at all in the archive.
< 1226146145 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/svn/esofiles/befunge/impl/
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< 1226147953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, heh
< 1226148087 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | that keyboard enter key sure looks weird :)
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< 1226149257 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-163.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226150433 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226150745 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-24-167.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226151040 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226151307 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-24-167.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226151587 0 :RoadieRich!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"gone to del __builtins__"
< 1226152416 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226153032 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-24-167.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226153573 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226154011 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1226154252 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226155446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun are you an antigrammer?
< 1226155541 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm an antioklopol
< 1226155601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :antipol
< 1226155651 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also just released a mac app with a friend: http://thecosmicmachine.com
< 1226155670 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :</add-vert-eyes-mint>
< 1226155678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun: By "RSS" does that include "Atom"?
< 1226155683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, /me whacks Corun
< 1226155737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, Leopard only. oh well
< 1226155768 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it does include Atom
< 1226155783 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get leopard
< 1226155784 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeez.
< 1226155792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make me :-P
< 1226155835 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1226155840 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly all the cool applications
< 1226155843 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need leopard
< 1226155845 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you should get it
< 1226155847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, i don't use any of those things.
< 1226155862 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1226155867 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means you suck
< 1226155870 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We worked this out before hand
< 1226155873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun: Name some that are actually cool apart from yourds
< 1226155876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours
< 1226155876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1226155881 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either people will use a few services
< 1226155887 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or they suck, so it doesn't matter if they buy or not
< 1226155891 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-)
< 1226155910 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's twitter?
< 1226155912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun: oklopol is an adherent of the oko programming religion.
< 1226155916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using things is pretty anti-oko.
< 1226155922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1226155940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: twitter is where you have a 140 character box.
< 1226155943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that updates your status.
< 1226155949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can look at other people's statuses.
< 1226155952 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ka-mazing, neh?
< 1226155953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yawn
< 1226155996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that sounds useful :D
< 1226156024 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc is enough for most socialness
< 1226156036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being useful is not an advantage
< 1226156037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226156079 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not, and it was sarcasm; not being useful is not a good thing either
< 1226156132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is oklotalk useful?
< 1226156139 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rss might be useful if the internet was better structured and i could create my own rss feeds for things i need them for.
< 1226156151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can
< 1226156153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklotalk is. usefulness doesn't apply
< 1226156161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just write a python script that mangles the html into a feed
< 1226156161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1226156167 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1226156174 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah i could do something like that.
< 1226156182 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the issue is the whole html thing sucks ass
< 1226156186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i've stated before
< 1226156188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1226156198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things should be sent to me as objects, so i wouldn't have to parse them
< 1226156204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226156228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, you agree?
< 1226156249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i agree with your every word
< 1226156252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally
< 1226156256 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;;)
< 1226156313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway, i don't see any reason for serialization really anywhere. i don't see why oses should even let you manipulate bitstreams
< 1226156335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate
< 1226156338 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots
< 1226156341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite green robots
< 1226156345 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226156349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i think it's time to read a book
< 1226156373 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting i get only like 50 pages read a day, even though i don't really do anything else.
< 1226156402 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only like 18000 pages per year
< 1226156433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1226156437 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next topic
< 1226156440 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :christmas
< 1226156448 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ain't it just great?
< 1226156481 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we should sing a bit
< 1226156531 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Connect with the people around you." <<< is this actually the facebook slogan?
< 1226156536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226156539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1226156540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1226156553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny.
< 1226158849 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226159137 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Grinch
< 1226159141 0 :Grinch!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: NO!
< 1226159144 0 :Grinch!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oerjan
< 1226159176 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226159197 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but
< 1226159308 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (bu)S((t)S:^):^
< 1226159308 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt ...too much output!
< 1226159360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (but)S((s)S:^)^
< 1226159360 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buts ...out of stack!
< 1226159362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (but)S((s)S:^):^
< 1226159362 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ...too much output!
< 1226159365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (butt)S((s)S:^):^
< 1226159366 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ...too much output!
< 1226159366 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-73.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226159380 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (butt)S((s)S:^):^
< 1226159381 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ...too much output!
< 1226159384 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1226159392 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha your butt is too large
< 1226159397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1226159397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha
< 1226159404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1226159404 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Pl)o((o)P:^):^
< 1226159405 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn!
< 1226159409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems i was lagging quite badly
< 1226159410 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1226159417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: P
< 1226159419 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :witch language ?
< 1226159421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and o
< 1226159423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be
< 1226159424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S to output
< 1226159425 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226159435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (plo)S((p)S:^):^
< 1226159435 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ploppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp ...too much output!
< 1226159440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: language is underload
< 1226159441 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226159452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload
< 1226159494 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Hello, world!)S
< 1226159494 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!
< 1226159512 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:^):^
< 1226159513 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226159520 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****)(~:(x)^S( )S~:^):^
< 1226159520 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn!
< 1226159539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****)(~:(x)~^S( )S~:^):^
< 1226159539 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xx ...too much output!
< 1226159628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****)(~:(x)~^S( )S:(:)~^(!!()())*~(*)~^*~:^):^
< 1226159629 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxx xxxxx xxxx xxx xx x                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           ...too much output!
< 1226159710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (::**)(!())^(x)~^S
< 1226159710 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x
< 1226159715 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!())(!())^(x)~^S
< 1226159715 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x
< 1226159720 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()(!())^(x)~^S
< 1226159720 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x
< 1226159732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!())()^(x)~^S
< 1226159740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!())(!())^(x)~^S
< 1226159740 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x
< 1226159743 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1226159904 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glah. underload is hard.
< 1226160049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no
< 1226160051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its easy
< 1226160051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1226160053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda
< 1226160315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****)(~:(x)~^S( )S:(:)~^(!!()())*~(*)~^*:(~:^)~(!())~^^):^
< 1226160315 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxx
< 1226160320 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1226160325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1226160418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****)(~:(x)~^S( )S:(:)~^(!!()())*~(*)~^*:(~:^)~(!())~^^^):^
< 1226160418 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxx
< 1226160423 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1226160493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****)(~:(x)~^S( )S:(:)~^(!!()())*~(*)~^*:((test)S~:^)~(!())~^^^):^
< 1226160493 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxx
< 1226160508 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****)(~:(x)~^S( )S:(:)~^(!!()())*~(*)~^*:(~:^)~(!())~^^(test)S^):^
< 1226160508 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxx test
< 1226160519 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****)(~:(x)~^S( )S:(:)~^(!!()())*~(*)~^*:(~:^)~(!())~^^S^):^
< 1226160519 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxx
< 1226160525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8|
< 1226160528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****)(~:(x)~^S( )S:(:)~^(!!()())*~(*)~^*:(~:^)~(!())~^S^^):^
< 1226160529 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxx !()!()!()!()!()xxxxx !()!()!()!()xxxx !()!()!()xxx !()!()xx !()x   ...out of stack!
< 1226160564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1226160578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually out of stack is pretty immediate
< 1226160579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm simply trying to make it stop at one.
< 1226160598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decrementing is hard
< 1226160608 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't
< 1226160617 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can write it with my eyes closed.
< 1226160623 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to recurse with a condition
< 1226160701 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****)(~:(x)~^S( )S:(:)~^(!!()())*~(*)~^*:(~:^)~(!())~^^^):^
< 1226160702 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxx
< 1226160710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf.
< 1226160726 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun: you're right i do suck.
< 1226160825 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****):(:)~^(!!()())*~(*)~^*(x)~^S
< 1226160825 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxx
< 1226161024 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****)(~:(x)~^S( )S:(:)~^(!!()())*~(*)~^*:S:(~:^)~(!())~^^^):^
< 1226161024 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxx ::::::!!()()******
< 1226161036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think applying a number to (!()) would be a good zero test
< 1226161043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****)(~:(x)~^S( )S:(:)~^(!!()())*~(*)~^*:(~:^)~(!())~^:S^^):^
< 1226161043 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxx !()!()!()!()!()
< 1226161063 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what you are doing?
< 1226161065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****)(~:(x)~^S( )S:(:)~^(!!()())*~(*)~^*:(~:^)~(!())^^^):^
< 1226161065 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxx xxxxx xxxx xxx xx x                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           ...too much output!
< 1226161076 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226161078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except
< 1226161085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did number^0 here. that was the error
< 1226161090 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, seems it still doesn't work
< 1226161155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol:
< 1226161225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part is the decrement operation?
< 1226161246 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(:) - (*)~^*
< 1226161251 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p131311341.txt
< 1226161271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1226161279 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've removed the ~ after the zero
< 1226161284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's 0^number-1
< 1226161303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird?
< 1226161313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol
< 1226161322 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird :)
< 1226161331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO
< 1226161338 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****)(~:(x)~^S( )S:(:)~^(!!()())*~(*)~^*:(!())~^(!())~^^^):^
< 1226161338 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxx
< 1226161361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1226161365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****)(~:(x)~^S( )S:(:)~^(!!()())*~(*)~^*:(!())~^(!())~^^:^):^
< 1226161365 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxx
< 1226161369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i thought it'd stop at "xx", because when n-1=1, it doesn't recurse
< 1226161384 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the ~ after the zero?
< 1226161391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to do 0^number, so (!())^
< 1226161402 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not (!())~^
< 1226161424 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you're wrong
< 1226161442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about what?
< 1226161454 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!())^ = !() so is useless
< 1226161457 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226161461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i am.
< 1226161475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, the rest is not working
< 1226161492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true.
< 1226161540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah of course
< 1226161581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1226161599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to get the copy of the number under the program
< 1226161618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't do that?
< 1226161626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my try
< 1226161632 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1226161718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that's why you have (~:^)
< 1226161752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1226161758 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-111-121.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226161768 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!())(!())^(x)~^S
< 1226161768 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x
< 1226161771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!())()^(x)~^S
< 1226161774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries that smiley
< 1226161775 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err.
< 1226161778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~:^
< 1226161778 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm an idiot
< 1226161782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of weird
< 1226161797 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****)(~:(x)~^S( )S:(:)~^(!!()())*~(*)~^*:(~:^)~(!())~^^^):^
< 1226161797 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxx
< 1226161804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1226161821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, idea: write a underload program that looks like a series of smilies
< 1226161828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!())(!())^(x)~^S(yyy)S(!())()^(x)~^S(yyy)S()(!())^(x)~^S(yyy)S
< 1226161829 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xyyyyyyxyyy
< 1226161832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((::))S
< 1226161833 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(::)
< 1226161838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226161842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((-: :-))S
< 1226161843 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-: :-)
< 1226161846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah
< 1226161855 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!())(::**)^(x)~^S
< 1226161858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would need balanced smilies
< 1226161864 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!())(!())^(x)~^S
< 1226161864 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x
< 1226161871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!())()^(x)~^S
< 1226161875 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226161886 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0^0=1, but 0^x=0 for any other x
< 1226161894 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, i own at math :D
< 1226161910 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had those completely wrong
< 1226161964 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****)(~:(x)~^S( )S:(:)~^(!!()())*~(*)~^*:(~:^)~(!())~(!())^^^):^
< 1226161965 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxx
< 1226161972 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****)(~:(x)~^S( )S:(:)~^(!!()())*~(*)~^*:(~:^)~(!())~(!())~^^^):^
< 1226161972 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxx
< 1226161978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\
< 1226161988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::::*****)(~:(x)~^S( )S:(:)~^(!!()())*~(*)~^*:()~(!(~:^))~^^^):^
< 1226161989 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxx xxxxx xxxx xxx xx x
< 1226161991 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1226162002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had the branches reversed :)
< 1226162016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1226162025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i just realized myself
< 1226162028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1226162035 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how exactly do you unreverse them?
< 1226162049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226162053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i switched the part with () with the part with (~:^)
< 1226162058 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but that's a cool zero
< 1226162075 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero with a side-effect
< 1226162077 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1226162080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well aaaanyway
< 1226162094 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it wasn't that hard, i just failed bad.
< 1226162253 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one probably should write a trace of the stack when designing such stuff
< 1226162457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes he has no proof oklopol didn't
< 1226162879 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Hallo)
< 1226162887 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Hallo)S
< 1226162887 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hallo
< 1226163048 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226163063 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes underload
< 1226163083 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^ul (Hallo)S)S
< 1226163083 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Hallo)S
< 1226163090 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226163172 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:aSS):aSS
< 1226163173 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS
< 1226163299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((^ul )S:aSS)(^ul )S:aSS
< 1226163300 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((^ul )S:aSS)(^ul )S:aSS
< 1226163371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((^ul (Hallo))S:aSS)(^ul (Hallo))S:aSS
< 1226163372 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Hallo)((^ul (Hallo))S:aSS)(^ul (Hallo))S:aSS
< 1226163376 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1226163443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you mean trace of the stack?
< 1226163445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((Hallo)!(^ul )S:aSS)(Hallo)!(^ul )S:aSS
< 1226163445 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((Hallo)!(^ul )S:aSS)(Hallo)!(^ul )S:aSS
< 1226163449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i linked a commented code
< 1226163464 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: keeping track of how it evolves...
< 1226163468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just i had the exponentiation-if-then-else rule wrong.
< 1226163469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i didn't click
< 1226163491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p131311341.txt well this one
< 1226163514 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kinda keep track of the stack, the problem is i do it on a high level, and had something on a lower level wrong.
< 1226163519 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it looks right
< 1226163522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't work.
< 1226163561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right
< 1226163566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!()) is not 0
< 1226163578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait
< 1226163588 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1226163638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem was the exponentiation
< 1226163642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had it wrong in two ways.
< 1226163679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!()) can be replaced with any idempotent command
< 1226163713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get () if n=0, (!()) otherwise
< 1226163717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think.
< 1226163747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the problem is i never really looked at the details of why 0^0=1 in underload
< 1226163752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just took it as magic
< 1226163763 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1226163772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably trivial, but i don't see it.
< 1226163818 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you encode numbers in underload?
< 1226163831 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since (!()) is idempotent, repeating it changes nothing
< 1226163860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only question is whether you have any at all
< 1226163890 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: ::::**** is 5, for example
< 1226163914 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (fnord)::::****S
< 1226163915 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnordfnordfnordfnordfnord
< 1226163945 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226163965 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i get why (!()) is zero
< 1226163977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, that is 5 executed
< 1226164005 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks about writing a small language => underload compiler
< 1226164010 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (::::****) is 5 as a numeral
< 1226164025 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with this * is multiplication and ^ is exponentiation
< 1226164045 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously intentional naming)
< 1226164059 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!())^(!())S
< 1226164060 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of stack!
< 1226164072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (x)(:*)(::::****)^^S
< 1226164073 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
< 1226164080 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!())(!())^S
< 1226164121 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1226164128 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, thanks.
< 1226164128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you ok?
< 1226164128 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm. maybe i should go
< 1226164140 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (x)(!())(!())^SS
< 1226164140 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x
< 1226164160 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!())(!())^aS
< 1226164161 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :()
< 1226164168 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: oh the result was () so S printed nothing
< 1226164169 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is one ah....
< 1226164187 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fungot special cases on no output
< 1226164188 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my point precisely. judaism is an infinite stream of the computer clubs he's apparently been associated with them if you don't
< 1226164211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that's some serious conspiracy theory you've got there
< 1226164212 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which first was a bit physically verbose
< 1226164279 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: compiling into underload only works for no input languages, obviously
< 1226164290 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1226166364 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226167738 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-125-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226169143 0 :ab5tract!n=ab5tract@pool-71-246-5-13.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226169227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226169687 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | probably I could add support for 128-bit integers without much trouble (I already have 64-bit long long due to C99)
< 1226169719 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bignums! all the way!
< 1226169775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: AnMaster quotes? How crass.
< 1226169775 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ~dup !dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup  ~dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup  ~dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup  ~dup !dup ~dup !dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup  ~dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup ~dup !dup !dup ~dup !d !dup ~dup
< 1226169777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226169778 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | that doesn't imply that I will implement it even if you define it
< 1226169785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: That's another AnMaster quote.
< 1226169785 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: oh I just realised what I pasted makes no sense
< 1226169786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226169786 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | probably
< 1226169803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: AnMaster has probably said that at one point.
< 1226169804 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Punch? :o
< 1226169805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226169805 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | mind you, within vim 1GgqG works just as well.
< 1226169808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tada.
< 1226169838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226169838 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | profit
< 1226169846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that would have been you
< 1226169849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet
< 1226169860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's not AnMaster.  he's never had anything to do with profit *ducks*
< 1226169877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1226169885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the previous one even moreso, he would never use vim
< 1226169887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed, I suggest it should be owned by the people ;)
< 1226169964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits AnMaster with some means of production ===\___/
< 1226170013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1226170342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but why have you replaced your frying pan with one made in plastic foam?
< 1226170345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes no sense
< 1226170358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not plastic
< 1226170397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it is
< 1226170399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look again
< 1226170405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone must have replaced it
< 1226170431 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, actually this is lego
< 1226170453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm a Danish conspiracy?
< 1226170485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or David Morgan-Mar
< 1226170534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why him?
< 1226170542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wouldn't give the lego away
< 1226170545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he would use it himself
< 1226170548 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true
< 1226170591 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts suspecting ehird
< 1226170604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but i like being hit by the frying pan
< 1226170616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that explains it
< 1226170620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wanted it for himself
< 1226170624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1226170624 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226170632 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you better be careful then
< 1226170640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what do you mean?
< 1226170650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a hard hat for a reason
< 1226170661 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226170675 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was just your thick skull
< 1226170685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1226170742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the hard hat is made to look like hair, going around in a hard hat on irc would look strange
< 1226170756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe not, considering how strange things usually are on irc
< 1226170803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if GregorR has a hard hat.
< 1226170845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226170860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not listed
< 1226170923 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-125-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226170969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is the link to that page now again?
< 1226170982 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the archive is updated at last, http://esolangs.org/files/befunge/impl/
< 1226171010 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/hats.php
< 1226171654 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 and 8 look the same to me.
< 1226171658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird!
< 1226171681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also 3 and 13)
< 1226171684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1226171691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what
< 1226171749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird:
< 1226171754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226171766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah they are the same
< 1226171777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not okay.
< 1226171778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have differen descriptions
< 1226171805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: one has something in the side
< 1226171817 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats a runaway letter ----### t
< 1226171821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't look *exactly* the same, but i bet you could get a greater difference just by muffing one of them up.
< 1226172171 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul xyz
< 1226172171 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn!
< 1226172183 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ...bad insn!
< 1226172183 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn!
< 1226172230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul a
< 1226172230 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey hey
< 1226172231 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...a out of stack!
< 1226172302 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul a(:::***)^S
< 1226172302 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of stack!
< 1226172308 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)(:::***)^S
< 1226172308 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaa
< 1226172315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((a)S:^):^
< 1226172315 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ...too much output!
< 1226172342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226172345 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((...too much output! )S:^):^
< 1226172345 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...t ...too much output!
< 1226172349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1226172354 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((...too much output! )S:^):^
< 1226172355 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output!  ...too much output!
< 1226172363 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-125-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226172433 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (( ...too much output!)S:^):^
< 1226172433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226172434 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output! ...too much output!
< 1226172450 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-125-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226172484 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (LOL)S:^):^
< 1226172485 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL ...out of stack!
< 1226172609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummmm
< 1226172609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226172621 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot also only checks the output lengths after writing a complete string, but then it writes the " ...too much output" to a fixed offset, so it cuts in the middle there.
< 1226172622 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ( as a method) that overloads more than one statement on every line, that will be
< 1226172663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how rude
< 1226172703 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise someone might build a string of arbitrary length on the stack and just S it out. Well, unless I did the checking before writing, but where's the fun in that.
< 1226172824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a):*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*S
< 1226172824 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ...too much output!
< 1226172830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a):*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*S
< 1226172830 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack!
< 1226172834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a):*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*S
< 1226172834 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack!
< 1226172838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a):*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*S
< 1226172839 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack!
< 1226172848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a):*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*S
< 1226172848 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack!
< 1226172852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a):*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*S
< 1226172852 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack!
< 1226172854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph.
< 1226172858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a):*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*S
< 1226172858 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ...too much output!
< 1226172866 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (a):*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*S
< 1226172866 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
< 1226172876 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that looks like it checks only after writing.
< 1226172889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (a):*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*S
< 1226172889 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1226172894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lolz.
< 1226172900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: should I restart it?
< 1226172906 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, why not.
< 1226172930 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always good to have a redundant Underload-bot.
< 1226172976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should i ILLEGALLY RELEASE the sauce code? :-P
< 1226172987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :198 thutubot/thutubot.t2
< 1226172989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Short code...
< 1226173005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a):*(:*)(:*):*::*^^S
< 1226173005 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack!
< 1226173034 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot is 483 lines already.
< 1226173050 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Funge, it's bloaty.
< 1226173060 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a):*(:*)(:*)::*^^S
< 1226173061 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*
< 1226173071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1226173125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a):*(:*)(:*)(::*)^^S
< 1226173125 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*:*:*:*
< 1226173136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a):*(:*)(:*)(::*)^^^S
< 1226173136 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*
< 1226173144 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1226173156 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits himself ===\___/
< 1226173232 0 :thutubot!n=thutubot@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226173235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (hi)S
< 1226173236 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1226173242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1226173255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you get Underload to output a newline when there are no newlines? That is a trick question, you can't.
< 1226173262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, I am unsure how to hax0r thutubot.
< 1226173263 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a):*(:*)(:*)::*^^S
< 1226173264 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*
< 1226173273 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a):*(:*)(:*)::*^^^S
< 1226173274 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much stack!
< 1226173280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1226173351 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-112-41-199.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226173410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (ACTION is unhax0rable!)S
< 1226173410 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is unhax0rable!
< 1226173450 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (a):*(:*)(:*)::*^^^S
< 1226173469 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much memory used!
< 1226173482 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the heck he is doing wrong
< 1226173569 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will apply :*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:* to aa, making an 128-kilobyte string.
< 1226173589 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not.
< 1226173595 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it will.
< 1226173602 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a long one, anyway.
< 1226173605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (a):*(:*)(:*)::*^^^S
< 1226173605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (a):*(:*)(:*)::*^^^S
< 1226173606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (a):*(:*)(:*)::*^^^S
< 1226173606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (a):*(:*)(:*)::*^^^S
< 1226173617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellllllllooooooooo? thutubot?
< 1226173618 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must be mixing up something
< 1226173621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (I exist)S
< 1226173623 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much memory used!
< 1226173634 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :existance is hard to prove
< 1226173640 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1226173642 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much memory used!
< 1226173660 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much memory used!
< 1226173679 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...too much memory used!
< 1226173679 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I exist
< 1226173682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (Hello
< 1226173682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul PRIVMSG #esoteric :World)
< 1226173682 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226173720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (a)(:*)(::*):*^^S
< 1226173720 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*
< 1226173755 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-111-121.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226173780 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (::*):*S
< 1226173780 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::*::*
< 1226173804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (:*)(::*):*^S
< 1226173804 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::*:*:*:*
< 1226173827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits himself again ===\___/
< 1226173850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (:aSS):aSS
< 1226173850 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS
< 1226173854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (a)(:*)(::**):*^^S
< 1226173855 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
< 1226173860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing *
< 1226173922 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a)(:*)(::**):*^^S
< 1226173922 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ...too much output!
< 1226173937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (**SSa:)**SSa:
< 1226173937 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...* out of stack!
< 1226173944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (*SSa:)*SSa:
< 1226173945 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...S out of stack!
< 1226173951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (***SSa:)*SSa:
< 1226173952 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...S out of stack!
< 1226173954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (***SSa:)***SSa:
< 1226173954 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...* out of stack!
< 1226173961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (***SSa*:)***SSa:
< 1226173961 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...* out of stack!
< 1226173971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (^)^
< 1226173972 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...^ out of stack!
< 1226173977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1226173979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that outputting?
< 1226173980 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the heck ehird is trying to do
< 1226173981 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything in the form (...)* will do "* out of stack".
< 1226173991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, right
< 1226173992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant :
< 1226173999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (:::SSa:):::SSa:
< 1226173999 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::::SSa::::SSa:
< 1226174005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (:SSa:):SSa:
< 1226174006 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::SSa::SSa: ...a out of stack!
< 1226174013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (::SSa:)::SSa:
< 1226174013 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::SSa:::SSa:
< 1226174015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (::SSa)::SSa
< 1226174016 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::SSa::SSa
< 1226174020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (::SSa)::SaS
< 1226174021 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::SSa(::SSa)
< 1226174024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (::SSa)::aSS
< 1226174024 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(::SSa)::SSa
< 1226174031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (::aSS)::aSS
< 1226174032 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(::aSS)::aSS
< 1226174037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agh!
< 1226174040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got back to the original.
< 1226174043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1226174057 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(::::aSS)::::aSS
< 1226174061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (::::aSS)::::aSS
< 1226174062 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(::::aSS)::::aSS
< 1226174078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (aSS)(aSS)aSS
< 1226174078 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aSS)aSS
< 1226174087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (aSS)(aSS)a*SSS
< 1226174087 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aSS{{aSS}} ...S out of stack!
< 1226174091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa.
< 1226174094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did those {{}}s appear?!
< 1226174101 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementation detail, I think.
< 1226174110 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I've heard, {}s are used internally for something.
< 1226174114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :known bug
< 1226174118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ({})S
< 1226174118 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{}
< 1226174122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul {}S
< 1226174128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ({})*
< 1226174136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes thutubot 
< 1226174145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not legal input though
< 1226174159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: +ul ({})S
< 1226174159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:55] thutubot: {}
< 1226174160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that worked
< 1226174162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so should this
< 1226174164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ({})*
< 1226174165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ({})S
< 1226174166 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{}
< 1226174167 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :({})* has no output-generation.
< 1226174168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wt.
< 1226174169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wtf
< 1226174174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But it's an error
< 1226174176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an out of stack
< 1226174179 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that.
< 1226174206 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did behave a bit illogically when {s were involved.
< 1226174224 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (({{TEST}}))S
< 1226174225 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :({{TEST}=)}
< 1226174228 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that =.
< 1226174231 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From the logs.)
< 1226174354 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the only way to get file io with unlambda
< 1226174365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}} searches logs
< 1226174386 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean, I copied the example from my irclogs.
< 1226174427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i know
< 1226174528 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-145.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226175580 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1226175745 0 :ab5tract!n=ab5tract@pool-71-246-5-13.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226175999 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a:S^S)a:S^S
< 1226175999 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a:S^S)a:S^S
< 1226176017 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's just a trivial version of the ISO-standard (:aSS):aSS one.
< 1226176033 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite a quiny language.
< 1226176320 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (aS(:^)S):^
< 1226176320 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aS(:^)S):^
< 1226176326 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's another very simple one.
< 1226176425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that one allows single inserts
< 1226176453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (aS(:^)S(Hello)!):^
< 1226176454 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aS(:^)S(Hello)!):^
< 1226176464 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226176571 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (funky dunky dunk)(~aS:aSS)~aS:aSS
< 1226176572 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(funky dunky dunk)(~aS:aSS)~aS:aSS
< 1226176712 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one's pretty close to the loopy one, although I hope the ignoration still works.
< 1226176716 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^ul )(+ul )(~:SaS~aS:aSS)~:SaS~aS:aSS
< 1226176716 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (+ul )(^ul )(~:SaS~aS:aSS)~:SaS~aS:aSS
< 1226176716 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^ul )(+ul )(~:SaS~aS:aSS)~:SaS~aS:aSS
< 1226176724 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup.
< 1226176774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you ignorant twit
< 1226176774 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: goto considered harmful. ;p ;p ;p
< 1226176810 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^ul )(+ul )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^
< 1226176810 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (+ul )(^ul )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^
< 1226176811 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^ul )(+ul )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^
< 1226176815 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's shorter, though.
< 1226176990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hi
< 1226177000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you use a lot of { and } ?
< 1226177013 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use them at all in fungot.
< 1226177014 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i wonder what it means."
< 1226177027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rewrote that today to use memcpy instead of popping to a temp list and then pushing it back from that
< 1226177029 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: It means you don't change the storage offset or use the stack stack.
< 1226177029 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so you do underlined text by overprinting ' _____' on top of the
< 1226177030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is in order
< 1226177032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot faster
< 1226177037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and less memory usage
< 1226177058 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226177058 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..."
< 1226177084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, also memset for zero extending stack
< 1226177085 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and fnord report for extensions, so check your manual. an overview chapter. just a cuban. not a " then you'd better use list-ref :)
< 1226177088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226177089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^
< 1226177108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuban fnords are among the scariest
< 1226177186 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't do the stack-stack thing, probably because I'm still more of a Befunge-93 programmer. I guess they might make the code a bit cleaner, and less brittle in case of stack confusionment.
< 1226178323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://techdirt.com/articles/20081107/0118162765.shtml
< 1226178330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halliburton Tries To Patent Form Of Patent Trolling
< 1226178853 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226179090 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-125-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226179535 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-122-163.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226179808 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ()a(((((((((((:(9))(8))(7))(6))(5))(4))(3))(2))(1))(0)):(^!))~*^^^^~!~!S
< 1226179808 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1226179814 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:*)a(((((((((((:(9))(8))(7))(6))(5))(4))(3))(2))(1))(0)):(^!))~*^^^^~!~!S
< 1226179814 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2
< 1226179818 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (::**)a(((((((((((:(9))(8))(7))(6))(5))(4))(3))(2))(1))(0)):(^!))~*^^^^~!~!S
< 1226179818 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3
< 1226179821 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::***)a(((((((((((:(9))(8))(7))(6))(5))(4))(3))(2))(1))(0)):(^!))~*^^^^~!~!S
< 1226179821 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4
< 1226179832 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::***)(:*)*a(((((((((((:(9))(8))(7))(6))(5))(4))(3))(2))(1))(0)):(^!))~*^^^^~!~!S
< 1226179832 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8
< 1226179908 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:*)()^a(((((((((((:(9))(8))(7))(6))(5))(4))(3))(2))(1))(0)):(^!))~*^^^^~!~!S
< 1226179918 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:*)()^a(((((((((((:(9))(8))(7))(6))(5))(4))(3))(2))(1))(0)):(^!))~*^^^^~!~!S
< 1226179918 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2
< 1226179922 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:*)(:*)^a(((((((((((:(9))(8))(7))(6))(5))(4))(3))(2))(1))(0)):(^!))~*^^^^~!~!S
< 1226179922 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4
< 1226179925 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:*)(::**)^a(((((((((((:(9))(8))(7))(6))(5))(4))(3))(2))(1))(0)):(^!))~*^^^^~!~!S
< 1226179925 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8
< 1226179928 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:*)(:::***)^a(((((((((((:(9))(8))(7))(6))(5))(4))(3))(2))(1))(0)):(^!))~*^^^^~!~!S
< 1226179929 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6
< 1226179933 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (::**):^a(((((((((((:(9))(8))(7))(6))(5))(4))(3))(2))(1))(0)):(^!))~*^^^^~!~!S
< 1226179933 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7
< 1226179941 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1226179945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1226179947 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the last digit till now
< 1226179948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226179948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226179962 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still working on it
< 1226180483 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :|nick|
< 1226180513 0 :|nick|!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MyNickPWNSMore
< 1226180586 0 :MyNickPWNSMore!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :NickBesthanBest
< 1226180600 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226180612 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1226180704 0 :NickBesthanBest!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mony
< 1226180761 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :M0ny
< 1226183093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, however this last code I mentioned isn't well tested yet
< 1226183102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be off by one errors
< 1226183104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so
< 1226183113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a lot of possible situations for that
< 1226184354 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1226184354 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^bool
< 1226184371 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help lang
< 1226184371 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^bool
< 1226184391 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show
< 1226184391 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help
< 1226184395 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1226184395 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt
< 1226184413 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>.
< 1226184413 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World!.
< 1226184417 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1226184425 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.
< 1226184425 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World!
< 1226184518 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf the whole bot is written in befunge?
< 1226184551 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is just insane
< 1226184568 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, that's the whole point of it.
< 1226184586 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>+++.>+++.+++++.+.+++++.>++++.<<+++++++++++++++++.>.++++.----.+-------.>++.>.
< 1226184586 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iglmr"Zrvrl$.
< 1226184590 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o~
< 1226184598 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though there's some supporting code for the babbling data-file generation that's not Befunge.)
< 1226184612 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data file generation?
< 1226184636 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you've got plenty of data right?
< 1226184636 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: slavic anyway)
< 1226184652 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is this?
< 1226184652 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: how is lambda implemented? or neither perhaps? i'm not looking for an equivalent to gauche's ( with-module ssax foo) evaluates foo in the module
< 1226184691 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the underload interpreter is written in befunge too right?
< 1226184731 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking psygnisfive and his queer friends, some random dude is telling me i'm sexy and calling me @ skype :P
< 1226184776 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1226184783 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1226184783 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^bool
< 1226184784 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any other bots here too?
< 1226184795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot: hello there
< 1226184799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1226184802 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1226184802 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1226184805 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot !
< 1226184805 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M0ny: racist
< 1226184805 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1226184805 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1226184808 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1226184810 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot !
< 1226184810 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M0ny: in there it's not, in turn?
< 1226184820 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1226184820 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1226184821 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1226184822 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1226184823 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1226184823 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1226184825 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1226184830 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, i'm botophobe !
< 1226184831 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M0ny: obviously
< 1226184833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (a)S
< 1226184833 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1226184834 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah optbot
< 1226184834 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M0ny: its still going damnit
< 1226184950 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (optbot !)S
< 1226184950 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot !
< 1226184950 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: that sounds like an old mycology?
< 1226184951 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot: ah  ~cat ah
< 1226184968 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+help
< 1226184978 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is thutubot?
< 1226184992 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (+ul (test)S)S
< 1226184992 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (test)S
< 1226184993 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1226184994 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523's bot, written in thutu
< 1226185005 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is anyone here able to kick someone?
< 1226185021 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have much more than underload though iirc
< 1226185048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: lament and fizzie, at least
< 1226185058 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The randomish babbling of fungot is done by using some hugey data files of material.
< 1226185058 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: random here's a script i just wrote :p ( what was i thinking
< 1226185072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Usually you're not really thinking.
< 1226185073 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i have to use a variable named " tree", whose semantics i'm too sleepy to notice. " joka fnord pit�� fnord fnord, fnord,
< 1226185085 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit of Finnish again.
< 1226185103 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the thutu in thutubot is with some extensions iirc
< 1226185133 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a (slightly different) stand-alone version of fungot's underload interp at http://zem.fi/~fis/underload.b98.txt too.
< 1226185133 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i like befunge more than bf... it's not really a problem.
< 1226185158 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That's not surprising, given the language you're written in.
< 1226185158 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes i am
< 1226185345 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a(:^)*S):^
< 1226185345 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a(:^)*S):^
< 1226185350 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did an alternate quine :)
< 1226185380 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night all
< 1226185398 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1226185405 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a(:^)SS):^
< 1226185405 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::^(a(:^)SS)
< 1226185409 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm
< 1226185419 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used (aS(:^)S):^ earlier today; that's very similar, except one S instead of that *.
< 1226185426 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (aS(:^)S):^
< 1226185426 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aS(:^)S):^
< 1226185443 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah just realized that you can do it that way too
< 1226185469 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a variant which used to cause a loop here on this channel.
< 1226185470 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^ul )(+ul )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^
< 1226185470 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (+ul )(^ul )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^
< 1226185471 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^ul )(+ul )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^
< 1226185481 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays my bot ignores thutubot so it no longer does it.
< 1226185496 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that was what i planned todo....
< 1226185499 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1226185502 0 :poiuy_qwert!n=poiuyqwe@bas2-toronto47-1242436250.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226185532 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: help
< 1226185533 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: You're lucky I didnt vote already
< 1226185536 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: help
< 1226185537 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: I haven't limited its absolute usage.
< 1226185540 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1226185546 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too helpful.
< 1226185576 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You try helping, too.
< 1226185596 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Ignoring me, are you?
< 1226185597 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i've created a mailing list from several years ago and they closed that loop.
< 1226185609 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226185646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226185646 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ABCDEF.
< 1226185661 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only optbot command i know of
< 1226185661 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm sure it will be less dry than that 2,3 machine I'm trying to understand
< 1226185672 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226185672 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ...
< 1226185808 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226185942 0 :molchuvka!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226185956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: it does three things -
< 1226185963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :changes topic every 6 or 9 hours, i forget
< 1226185966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talks to you when you talk to it
< 1226185969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :changes topic on "optbot!"
< 1226185970 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I have no idea why it doesn't, but my current unmodified version does :P
< 1226185980 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: free psychiatric advice.
< 1226185989 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: What do you think about my personal problems?
< 1226185990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: it works by picking random lines out of the logs, dec 2002 - present day
< 1226185990 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe the "t" in "the"
< 1226185991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes.
< 1226186035 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot also uses IRC logs for the babbling source material, it just mixes them up a bit. And there's also freenode's #scheme channel logs thrown in for some more variance.
< 1226186036 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: use this site, it's nice) is a simpler way, too
< 1226186073 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although there are a lot of alternative modes of speaking.
< 1226186080 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Pretend to be a politician, please.
< 1226186082 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, miss mcintosh, first of all, the french government failed to execute the structural fund regulation and do not receive any financial aid from structural funds and cohesion fund programmes for smaller and poorer countries so that they can receive dialysis treatment while temporarily resident in the european court of human rights.
< 1226186145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how terrible!
< 1226186211 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Receiving dialysis treatment while resident in the european court of human rights sounds a bit suspicious.
< 1226186219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: feed  it in eliza logs
< 1226186233 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to a quick grep, it used to be "temporarily resident in the member state in question" originally.
< 1226186237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: isn't that how they killed milosevic?
< 1226186245 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more or less
< 1226186267 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly different court, slightly different treatment
< 1226186316 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you say to that?
< 1226186317 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: madam president, when future historians come to judge our epoch, the chapter of the white russian public prosecutor' s office. i have one point of view it is more significant than the society of the commercialization of medicine. doctors will no longer have to worry.
< 1226186353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good at avoiding any clear answers, just like a good politician.
< 1226186369 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think we could get it elected?
< 1226186376 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see what else I have here...
< 1226186384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How do Wikipedia talk pages sound like?
< 1226186384 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: after a http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ fnord these steps. fnord ( also named the dagda) desired her. the lady was in fear of elcmar, so great was his power."
< 1226188427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1226188758 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((a  )(a ))(~:^:S~*a~^!a*~:^):^
< 1226188760 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a  a  a a  a a  a  a a   ...too much output!
< 1226189382 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Computer says no
< 1226189382 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: no
< 1226189440 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Carol Beer
< 1226189441 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: hmm
< 1226189451 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: little britain
< 1226189452 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: should i do (list, rest)?
< 1226189476 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: Computer says yes
< 1226189477 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: i am not sure
< 1226189491 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: yes he says no
< 1226189491 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: By the same notion, music notation notates notes, but not music.
< 1226189646 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++[->+++>++++++>+++++++++>++++++++++>+++++++++++<<<<<]>>+.>>+.--.+++.+++++.-.<++.>--.<<<-.>>>+.<----.>>.<.<<<.>>>-----.+.
< 1226189646 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer says no
< 1226189666 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh, i remember that discussion
< 1226189671 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about music notation
< 1226189682 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was saying some complete bullshit
< 1226189878 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226190042 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember it too, although i don't remember what it was abou
< 1226190044 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*t
< 1226190096 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(S~:)(!~:):(e)~^(y)~^( )~^(o)~^(l)~^(u)~^(l)~^( )~^(e)~^(l)~^(l)~^(o)~^( )~^(s)~^(a)~^(t)~^(a)~^( )~^(i)~^(t)~^( )~^(h)~^(e)~^(e)~^(l)~^( )~^(e)~^(g)~^(l)~^(a)~^( )~^(m)~^(e)~^(e)~^(t)~^(!)~^
< 1226190226 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (S~:)(!~:):(e)~^(y)~^( )~^(o)~^(l)~^(u)~^(l)~^( )~^(e)~^(l)~^(l)~^(o)~^( )~^(s)~^(a)~^(t)~^(a)~^( )~^(i)~^(t)~^( )~^(h)~^(e)~^(e)~^(l)~^( )~^(e)~^(g)~^(l)~^(a)~^( )~^(m)~^(e)~^(e)~^(t)~^(!)~^
< 1226190226 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lost the game!
< 1226190230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226191287 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I don't know if I am
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< 1226192065 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
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< 1226194596 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1226195035 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
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< 1226199043 0 :Dewio!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Dewi
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< 1226200401 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFK
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< 1226203966 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1226205307 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1226205726 0 :SANiK!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
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< 1226206542 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1226212887 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | um
< 1226214083 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1226217981 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Unisex."
< 1226219672 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-49.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226220575 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
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< 1226223105 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-85-133.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226223130 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ! ploping to me ?
< 1226224459 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226224638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooo
< 1226224659 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Plop !))S
< 1226224659 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn!
< 1226224662 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1226224664 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Plop !)S
< 1226224664 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plop !
< 1226224721 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, the UN declares a moratorium on plops
< 1226224743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after several gruesome incidents
< 1226224871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehe
< 1226224873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh*
< 1226224971 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++++++>+++><<<<-]>[.>--.+++.+.>++.+.-.--<--<]
< 1226224972 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ! Plop ...
< 1226225836 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1226226579 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-86-156.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226226860 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1226227398 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-125-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226227500 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (opbot)S
< 1226227500 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opbot
< 1226227511 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (optbot, )S
< 1226227511 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot,
< 1226227512 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: I think ihope is stalking me.
< 1226227512 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: \ 0 1 3 5 6
< 1226227519 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o~
< 1226227599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226227629 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1226227917 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1226228333 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: How do you stalk a bot?
< 1226228333 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that can be done simpler
< 1226228368 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, optbot optbot
< 1226228369 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: i mean, put chars there
< 1226228371 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, optbot optbot
< 1226228372 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: I've done it already
< 1226228374 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, optbot optbot
< 1226228374 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: guess does it work the way i saw..?
< 1226228376 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, optbot optbot
< 1226228377 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: ever seen VHDL?
< 1226228378 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, optbot optbot
< 1226228379 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: well - it's also not what i'm aiming for
< 1226228380 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, optbot optbot
< 1226228381 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: 2
< 1226228382 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, optbot optbot
< 1226228383 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: I learned the fundamentals of programming through ``RPG Maker 95'', heh.
< 1226228385 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, optbot optbot
< 1226228386 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: doubtful
< 1226228387 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, optbot optbot
< 1226228388 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: yeah.. I went through it one day and write down which functions seemed to make sense and which ones didn't
< 1226228390 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, optbot optbot
< 1226228390 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that sort-of enough?
< 1226228391 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: (see http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Special:Recentchanges )
< 1226228403 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, optbot optbot
< 1226228404 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: out of interest, mostly
< 1226228406 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, optbot optbot
< 1226228407 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: On line 585
< 1226228408 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, optbot optbot
< 1226228409 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: that's cheap
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< 1226230553 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^^^~^~^~^~^*****()()()())((o))((p))((t))((b))((t))((o))(a~^aa*~^aa*^*a~:^):^!!S
< 1226230553 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot
< 1226230554 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: @ char
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< 1226231267 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
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< 1226233267 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knock knock
< 1226233323 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ?
< 1226233351 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony, how much do you know about Unlambda
< 1226233356 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226233367 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it's a esolang
< 1226233374 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all
< 1226233413 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, well, see if you can't answer this one: If the expression interpretation is unary, then how does one force compound arguments?
< 1226233452 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0
< 1226233457 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know
< 1226233470 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, cool, no worries
< 1226233483 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try wake up ais523
< 1226233643 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ehird
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< 1226233890 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol?
< 1226234275 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, AnMaster, oklopol, ehird - anyone who knows Unlambda
< 1226234319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um?
< 1226234325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it a bit
< 1226234333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm *far* from an expert on it
< 1226234350 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well perhaps you might be able to explain this to me: If the expression interpretation is unary, then how does one force compound arguments?
< 1226234360 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no worries, I'm a total beginner anywho
< 1226234381 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for clarification:  if, say, "F" takes two arguments, x and y, then how do you force "F" to take a compound argument (say, (ab) as x) if the interpretor merely goes one character at a time and looks for the next character. IE: You want to write F(ab)c so that x=ab and y=c but without the brackets)
< 1226234448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, that went over my head. I would say I'm even further from expert than you are ;P
< 1226234458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge however I could help with
< 1226234485 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, now worries :P Thanks though
< 1226234487 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Heheh
< 1226234494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares at optbot
< 1226234494 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: AnMaster can't bear people saying things
< 1226234504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey stop that optbot!
< 1226234505 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because of the slashdot thing
< 1226234518 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listen here, optbot
< 1226234518 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: as i see it, the monad is found from the first object in the >>= chain which is not return _
< 1226234519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, heh I don't even read slashdot
< 1226234520 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: use /dev/stdout for clearness then
< 1226234529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226234530 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | :P
< 1226234533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226234533 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | hi
< 1226234535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226234536 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | We cut out the middle man.
< 1226234540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226234544 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1226234564 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From earlier (fizzie did this)
< 1226234565 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^^^~^~^~^~^*****()()()())((o))((p))((t))((b))((t))((o))(a~^aa*~^aa*^*a~:^):^!!S
< 1226234565 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot
< 1226234566 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: (Also a perfect opportunity to subtly "doink" jsmips :P )
< 1226234595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato, now that could be simplified a lot
< 1226234607 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what language that is :P
< 1226234611 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Care to elaborate?
< 1226234617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (bot)(opt)SS
< 1226234617 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot
< 1226234618 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: The variable "msg" in my bot is first assigned to the actually message part of every PRIVMSG.... but later down in the program it becomes the variable that tells the bot what to send to a channel.
< 1226234620 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(looks interesting enough)
< 1226234624 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, nice :D
< 1226234633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato, what? ^ul?
< 1226234635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload
< 1226234640 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hrmm
< 1226234646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I know slightly more than unlambda
< 1226234648 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heard of it, but that's where it ends
< 1226234651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still far from expert
< 1226234652 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226234671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato, it have certain similarities with unlambda
< 1226234688 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't support input :/
< 1226234694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it doesn't
< 1226234709 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrmm, perhaps I'll take a look at that
< 1226234716 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1226234755 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is thinking of what has to be done to support usable input and output
< 1226234816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well output is usable
< 1226234824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't want unmatched () in it
< 1226234850 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the first problem.. and you can't output a character that wasn't included in sourcecode
< 1226234917 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm one could add an instruction that decreases all characters that are in the top of stack by one
< 1226234930 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1226234946 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now for input there must be some way to kind of compare input or something
< 1226234960 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-125-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226234963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host
< 1226234988 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm drop the current top of stack... compare the two items below it... and if they are equal execute the just dropped item
< 1226234997 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one instruction to input a single byte
< 1226235007 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... any comments on that?
< 1226235069 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to make them a not too complex and b not too easy to use
< 1226236999 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1226237306 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye !
< 1226237308 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1226238659 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-74.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226239634 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (hello)a(world)a~!^S
< 1226239635 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :world
< 1226239669 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is working on the size optimizer of my compiler
< 1226240630 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1226241075 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-125-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226241434 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
< 1226243766 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1226245249 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-125-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226245331 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (test)((LLL )( JJJ))~a*^~**S
< 1226245331 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLL test JJJ
< 1226245342 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((LLL )( JJJ))~a*^~**S << this is compiled with my compiler
< 1226245366 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code: "LLL " " JJJ" rot3 swap concat concat print
< 1226245666 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-112-41-199.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226245878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: awesome
< 1226245907 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm going to add number input and to extend the "stdlib"
< 1226245931 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe i'm going to add "template functions" like rotN where you can write rot10 and it will automatically generate code to get the 10th element on top
< 1226246207 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it as rot13 :(
< 1226247052 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1226247059 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: ditty
< 1226247062 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ditto
< 1226247140 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226247164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<jix> yeah that's the first problem.. and you can't output a character that wasn't included in sourcecode
< 1226247164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<jix> hmm one could add an instruction that decreases all characters that are in the top of stack by one
< 1226247166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1226247170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: BTW, You can have underload without ()
< 1226247173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still have it tc
< 1226247173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so use a number -> char table
< 1226247178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 proved it after I got the idea
< 1226247179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1226247182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have one new command
< 1226247187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dei"
< 1226247191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what it does is
< 1226247197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xd where X is any one command
< 1226247199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the same as X(X)
< 1226247201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1226247201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, isn't underload already tc?
< 1226247205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ad is
< 1226247208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a(a)
< 1226247214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually tc, believe it or not
< 1226247227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can compile underload into deiunderload
< 1226247232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1226247242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: it requires () to be pushed on the stack at the start of the program
< 1226247244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1226247256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also output gets messed up
< 1226247259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you dont need that
< 1226247290 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i want a language that is fun to program in...
< 1226247295 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fun as in easy
< 1226247314 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as in... fun :/
< 1226247337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, well got an example of some language you think is fun, or it is hard to know what you think is fun
< 1226247349 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload
< 1226247353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.
< 1226247357 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck
< 1226247370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there is boolfuck
< 1226247377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bits instead of bytes
< 1226247379 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think that removing () from underload takes a lot of the fun
< 1226247393 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's difficuilt to describe
< 1226247397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hm
< 1226247403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, what do you think of INTERCAL?
< 1226247419 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: never really tried it...
< 1226247423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1226247433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, befunge? or trefunge?
< 1226247453 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge fun... trefunge... i don't think so...
< 1226247460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226247486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: yeah but
< 1226247487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a fun note
< 1226247487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, I can see what properties befunge, brainfuck and underload share ;P
< 1226247540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, personally I think bf is boring, befunge fun, underload quite fun. Intercal fun too
< 1226247541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: befunge is pretty fun
< 1226247546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the easy but challenging sense
< 1226247549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like BF, UL
< 1226247585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226247588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea:
< 1226247594 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example ul without () i think you'd lose the ability to work on single parts of the program without affecting everything else
< 1226247597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :language with nothing but first class expctions
< 1226247601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exceptions*
< 1226247602 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trefunge is just too cumbersome to edit
< 1226247607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, no other data type than exceptions
< 1226247622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue how, but sounds like a fun idea
< 1226247632 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i heard that some time ago...
< 1226247635 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ the wiki maybe
< 1226247643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, hm remember any name of it?
< 1226247667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: befunge is pretty easy to edit
< 1226247670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you haev to plan for it
< 1226247675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get what you mean, though
< 1226247679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload is probably the best language for that
< 1226247680 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: trefunge....
< 1226247683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the best langs
< 1226247684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: yeah
< 1226247687 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: befunge is easy...
< 1226247691 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to edit
< 1226247692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226247694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? :p
< 1226247698 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trefunge is hard
< 1226247711 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226247749 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't really see the current context
< 1226247795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... http://esolangs.org/wiki/Catch
< 1226247802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is close but not exactly
< 1226247856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got other control flow too
< 1226248416 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226248883 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226248898 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonjour, Universe
< 1226249035 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\me counts the lives ones
< 1226249046 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION counts the live ones
< 1226249051 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(much better :P)
< 1226249086 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonjer
< 1226249092 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Bonger
< 1226249098 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Bondger
< 1226249478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um http://esolangs.org/wiki/Wire-crossing_problem got an issue I think.
< 1226249486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this "strong claim" mentioned.
< 1226249504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have misunderstood that page, but...
< 1226249536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not
< 1226249537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226249538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget that
< 1226249586 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is ther a question in all that?
< 1226249599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I found that my idea was wrong
< 1226249610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before I had time to fully write it in my irc client
< 1226249673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I noted that you can avoid # or such in befunge, and whitespace, and yet cross wires
< 1226249693 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed; you make roundabouts
< 1226249705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : v
< 1226249705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>-+
< 1226249705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : +
< 1226249706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that
< 1226249713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just reverse the operation
< 1226249719 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or yeah, you could do that too
< 1226249756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes it kind of needs either self modification or state outside the current cell
< 1226249761 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can still cross wires even if ea each instruction can only be exited in one way (or two for choice instructions)
< 1226249782 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. each instruction has an implicit exit direction
< 1226249788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226249791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can?
< 1226249803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, since funge space wraps I guess so
< 1226249804 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you just make roundabouts
< 1226249808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just go over the edge
< 1226249821 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not all wire-crossing can be solved by being on a torous
< 1226249827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1226249846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, well easy still since choice have two exits
< 1226249854 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226249873 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can use choices to make a structure that acts like two wires crossing
< 1226249893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just join another wire just before the choice and each one pushes different numbers resulting in a "road sign"
< 1226249894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such
< 1226249901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, indeed
< 1226249931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, also you could trivially self modify in befunge to change the instruction ahead
< 1226249935 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't really want to distract SimonRC from his conversation, so is attempting to conjure up a way to learn of whether SimonRC knows his Unlambda well enough to answer a simple[is] question
< 1226249959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd, several persons asked about unlambda today
< 1226249963 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some unlambda
< 1226249970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it suddenly so popular?
< 1226249994 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay :) well, then, perhaps you may be able to answer the following: If the expression interpretation is unary, then how does one force compound arguments?
< 1226250017 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(heh, naah, it's all just me - I've been bugged by this)
< 1226250020 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1226250035 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if, say, "F" takes two arguments, x and y, then how do you force "F" to take a compound argument (say, (ab) as x) if the interpretor merely goes one character at a time and looks for the next character. IE: You want to write F(ab)c so that x=ab and y=c but without the brackets
< 1226250069 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And for AnMaster's sake, yes, that is a direct copy 'n paste of what I asked you earlier :P)
< 1226250085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato, ah it was you last time too
< 1226250087 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``F`abc  == F(ab)c
< 1226250093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought it was jix
< 1226250097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads log
< 1226250101 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :== (F(ab))c
< 1226250107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1226250129 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrmm, is that equivalent to (F((ab)c))?
< 1226250148 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, ab is one argument (compound), c is the second
< 1226250172 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: huh?
< 1226250189 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you are getting confused here
< 1226250198 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so too
< 1226250208 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The combinator S takes three arguments, not so?
< 1226250246 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :juxtaposition is the function application operator in the brackety syntax; brackets are for grouping, and are not an operator
< 1226250255 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, say you wanted to do S(BL)(AH)(KP), where B,L,A,H,K,P are all combinators too
< 1226250258 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: yes it does
< 1226250285 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :```s`BL`AH`KP afaik
< 1226250297 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: yes
< 1226250334 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, then, does that not also do B(L), A(H) and K(P) prior to S of their results?
< 1226250355 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: um, that is an odd way to write them, but yes
< 1226250368 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something tells me I am just confusing logical combinators with string rewriting in my head
< 1226250371 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one ould usually just say BL, AH, and KP
< 1226250384 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ok, I see
< 1226250385 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrmm
< 1226250398 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, thank you for that, I think my problem is solved :)
< 1226250402 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :combinators can be done by string re-writing
< 1226250434 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrmm, ok, yes - yes, they can - hoorah! It all makes sense to me now XD
< 1226250457 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, SimonRC, do you mind giving your opinion on my new esolang?
< 1226250515 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe...
< 1226250532 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, no worries
< 1226250671 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well?
< 1226250744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... ZISC
< 1226250747 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I understood an amount of reluctantcy there, in that case: The whole system is based on what I now correctly identify as functional string re-writing
< 1226250760 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(heh, AnMaster)
< 1226250772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivially non-tc I guess unless you can make some other way to control the program
< 1226250784 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There can be 256 functions (practically, far fewer)
< 1226250792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um?
< 1226250800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero Instruction Set Computer
< 1226250813 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each of which then takes arguments, and prints a new string
< 1226250820 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nope, I'm sure it's TC)
< 1226250829 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally (at the start of the programme)
< 1226250836 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is only one function: g
< 1226250841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato, are you talking about the same thing as me?
< 1226250844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something else?
< 1226250851 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's form is gxyz
< 1226250858 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my esolang, or ZISC?)
< 1226250868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no ZISC, it was just an idea I got
< 1226250875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there is OISC
< 1226250885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/OISC
< 1226250899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logical thing would be to take that one step further
< 1226250927 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning, it takes the argument x, declares it as a function, which takes the argument why and returns z
< 1226250930 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Instruction_Set_Computer)
< 1226250935 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yep, there is)
< 1226250956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, I hoped for some nice esolang
< 1226250984 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm, lemme type out the spec
< 1226250999 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about that SimonRC
< 1226251001 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1226251073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there?
< 1226251098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, question: does jitfunge handle x?
< 1226251245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if yes, what happens when you run 00x
< 1226252545 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bar walks into a commutative algebraist.
< 1226252740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: HAHAHAHAHAHA
< 1226252746 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for those not already bored to death by me: http://rafb.net/p/kihs9G28.html
< 1226252751 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and brb, supper time)
< 1226252763 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[it is the spec I was trying to communicate]
< 1226252954 0 :kt3k!n=stibium_@FL1-122-130-193-58.kyt.mesh.ad.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226253309 0 :kt3k!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1226253394 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226253472 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-85-133.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226253494 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A seal walks into a club.
< 1226253776 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay Dr Who on BBC7
< 1226253799 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: that's what they all say
< 1226255935 0 :hillbilly!i=4558c133@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8251308c016ae712 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226255966 0 :hillbilly!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226256087 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | if it rhymes it must be true.
< 1226257414 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tumtitum
< 1226257649 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was x the set-delta one?
< 1226257669 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I think
< 1226257727 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the 'x' arguments can be constant-folded, I do 'x' simply by setting the delta used when tracing what instructions to compile. In other cases I end the compiled block and set the "type" of the block to be 'SETDELTA', which will be handled correctly.
< 1226257731 0 :MrBeginBot!n=Beginbo@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226257743 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although 00x doesn't get any special treatment and therefore will probably do rather silly things.
< 1226257745 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, the programme works :D
< 1226257754 0 :MrBeginBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226257792 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's no officially sanctioned special semantics for 00x.
< 1226258169 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how on earth does one compile Befunge?
< 1226258173 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything could change
< 1226258260 0 :AnotherBotTest!n=Beginbo@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226258270 0 :AnotherBotTest!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226258318 0 :AnotherBotTest!n=guesswho@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226258348 0 :AnotherBotTest!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an automated test
< 1226258355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: duh
< 1226258355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jit
< 1226258357 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smiles
< 1226258365 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah
< 1226258366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: /whois knows all
< 1226258383 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226258392 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know anything about jitting
< 1226258399 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION curses these new fangled IPv6 services
< 1226258414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: you compile it into memory
< 1226258416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and run it directly
< 1226258418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it goes
< 1226258424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if something changes, you modify the code in memory.
< 1226258513 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226258548 0 :AnotherBotTest!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226258575 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226258578 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226258587 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course.  It is like Forth.
< 1226258590 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226258868 0 :mbishop!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226259192 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; in my case, if something changes, you just discard the function it's in and recompile it the next time it's encountered.
< 1226259267 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("function" here meaning I JIT-compile things into callable functions; of course there's no functions in the Befunge code.)
< 1226259319 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-123-54.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226259983 0 :AnotherTestBot5!n=AnotherT@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226260010 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'marx
< 1226260016 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`marx
< 1226260054 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so close..
< 1226260130 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: ??
< 1226260154 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll see soon, just have to coax python into somehow refreshing/sleeping during a lop
< 1226260155 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ideas?
< 1226260160 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think that functions might have been a better use of the [ and ] characters
< 1226260204 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would push some location data on the stack and turn left/right
< 1226260233 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stack stack could handle the rest of the function-call work
< 1226260258 0 :AnotherTestBot7!n=AnotherT@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226260279 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~marx
< 1226260304 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1226260312 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1226260336 0 :AnotherTestBot7!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226260350 0 :AnotherTestBot8!n=AnotherT@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226260358 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~marx
< 1226260381 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~marx
< 1226260393 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1226260410 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHA
< 1226260418 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you oklokok's untimely disconnect
< 1226260419 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226260459 0 :Doitle2!n=Doitle@c-98-214-67-104.hsd1.il.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226260472 0 :AnotherTestBot8!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226260481 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1226260486 0 :AnotherTestBot9!n=AnotherT@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226260490 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-123-54.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226260498 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~marx
< 1226260571 0 :AnotherTestBot9!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226260588 0 :AnotherTestBot9!n=AnotherT@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226260594 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~marx
< 1226260650 0 :AnotherTestBot9!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226260665 0 :AnotherTestBot9!n=AnotherT@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226260671 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~marx
< 1226260694 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For god's sakes, why can't it find stuff in a list
< 1226260701 0 :AnotherTestBot9!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226260714 0 :AnotherTestBot9!n=AnotherT@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226260720 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~marx
< 1226260743 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmm
< 1226260744 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange
< 1226260751 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sorry for all the spamming
< 1226260756 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll find a blank channel now
< 1226260776 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226260777 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I for one am not offended, but I have absolutely no idea what's going on.
< 1226260804 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :P I don't suppose you know socket programming in python?
< 1226260818 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a blank channel?
< 1226260818 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've done a bit of it.
< 1226260845 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-122-197.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226260856 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmm, could you tell me what's wrong with this then? s.send('PRIVMSG #' + CHANNELINIT + ' :'+TEXT)
< 1226260857 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did one silly "do a routing protocol client with the sockets API" course-project in Python because I didn't feel like C that day.
< 1226260863 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where s is the socket
< 1226260904 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, fizzie
< 1226260909 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe your TEXT doesn't have \r\n after it?
< 1226260915 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's just a guess.
< 1226260918 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a genious! That's what's wrong with it, it's missing the 1013 line feed
< 1226260926 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, you're dead right :D
< 1226260937 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :)
< 1226260939 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additionally I'd write it as "PRIVMSG #%s :%s\r\n" % (CHANNELINIT, TEXT), but that's just me.
< 1226260962 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, yeah, I'm still a newb, but, I'll put it in, to look all fancy :P
< 1226260996 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks to some Python tutorial or other, I've done almost all my string-building with the "%" formatting-thing instead of concatenating strings.
< 1226261028 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrmm, yeah, it seems to C-esque for me to really like
< 1226261048 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo" + bar + "baz" seems too Java-esque for me, on the other hand. :p
< 1226261105 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I see. Though, regret ably, I do come from a Delphi background where there is no real alternative
< 1226261121 0 :AnotherTestBot8!n=AnotherT@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226261125 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see
< 1226261129 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~marx
< 1226261135 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugger
< 1226261156 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrmm, that means that there's something wrong with the format of the data
< 1226261168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1226261203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: the point of % formatting is that you can do all kinds of nice stuff
< 1226261207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it also lets you look at the string as a template
< 1226261211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see what it's going to be like at a glance
< 1226261212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now brb
< 1226261220 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, lol, and ok
< 1226261241 0 :WorkDamnIt!n=AnotherT@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226261244 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~marx
< 1226261245 0 :WorkDamnIt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From each according to his ability, to each accotrding to his need
< 1226261250 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOYAH!
< 1226261252 0 :AnotherTestBot9!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226261258 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a typo and all
< 1226261268 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can I get a second on that?
< 1226261303 0 :AnotherTestBot5!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226261324 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++[>++++++>+++++++>+++<<<-]>.>++..++++++++++.<-.+++++++.>>.
< 1226261324 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOYAH!
< 1226261329 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226261336 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~marx
< 1226261337 0 :WorkDamnIt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From each according to his ability, to each accotrding to his need
< 1226261353 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so chuffed, now to put together some actually useful code. Any suggestions?
< 1226261392 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: groucho marx quotes?
< 1226261397 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or harpo ;-)
< 1226261413 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actions
< 1226261420 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :privmsgs
< 1226261436 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :identifying itself to a nickserv
< 1226261439 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that, is there some big o list of them I can rip off? OOh, I know, why not quotes from portal :P
< 1226261445 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226261448 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmm, yeah, about those
< 1226261464 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll try, it's been a pain trying to dig out the protocol (text) for IRC
< 1226261470 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random nethack death messges?
< 1226261477 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1226261480 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: hav you read the RFCs?
< 1226261482 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, the RFC is quite enough for simple bot use.
< 1226261489 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not very difficult to find.
< 1226261493 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1226261499 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack.alt.org maintains a list of every death message
< 1226261500 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what might they be?
< 1226261519 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*boggle*
< 1226261521 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/index.html has 'em, for example.
< 1226261538 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, thanks
< 1226261553 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RFCs are the things that define all the major protocols of the internet
< 1226261576 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to read faster
< 1226261580 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. email, web, irc, etc
< 1226261610 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure IRC ranks above, say, TCP. :p (I'm assuming that list was sorted according to priority.)
< 1226261632 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1226261820 0 :WorkDamnIt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226262261 0 :WorkDamnIt!n=AnotherT@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226262266 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~q
< 1226262267 0 :WorkDamnIt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think I'm trying to trick you with reverse psychology? Seriously now...
< 1226262271 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~q
< 1226262272 0 :WorkDamnIt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to a required test protocol, we will not monitor the next chamber, you will be entirely on your own. Good Luck
< 1226262278 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1226262364 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~q
< 1226262365 0 :WorkDamnIt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee... ''[crackling static]''
< 1226262373 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You dont have any friends
< 1226262386 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that, my friend, is where you're wrong ;)
< 1226262422 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure you can unilaterally declare people as friends.
< 1226262424 0 :AnotherTestBot8!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226262441 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you have some good quotes?
< 1226262442 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also, given the fnord fnord perhaps there's some confusion with his character also in the german tradition and a definition of the ' ' fnord'"
< 1226262455 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1226262475 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, yaeh
< 1226262487 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For about twenty odd minutes of quotes, I'm not too sad
< 1226262504 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to quote a phrase
< 1226262507 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~Q
< 1226262510 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~q
< 1226262511 0 :WorkDamnIt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :''[Soon after previous quote]'' ''Stop!'' Okay, enough, I deleted it. No matter what happens now, you're ''dead.'' You're still shuffling around a little but believe me, ''you're dead.''
< 1226262539 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's been fun lads
< 1226262543 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have an exam tomorrow
< 1226262544 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers
< 1226262547 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1226262566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is Doitle2
< 1226262593 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am me
< 1226262632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is me in the context of Doitle2
< 1226262665 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never know how to answer that question when asked.
< 1226262703 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doitle2 is an Electrical Engineering undergrad from Illinois who has been learning and writing simple stuff in BF after coming accross it on Wikipedia. He was then instructed by #bf to come here instead.
< 1226262722 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's #bf about, then?
< 1226262725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you talk about yourself in the third person
< 1226262728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. we can't be friends
< 1226262733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: gregorr's ##brainfuck i guess
< 1226262739 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He asked the question in such a manner. I don't normally talk in the third person.
< 1226262756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he
< 1226262759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean me
< 1226262761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather "you"
< 1226262762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1226262789 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you, rather. I didn't see that it was you both times.
< 1226262839 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a ##brainfuck, too? Huh, I must've not been paying attention.
< 1226262852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody talks there.
< 1226262865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just tells you to go to #esoteric
< 1226263384 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226263569 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226263746 0 :WorkDamnIt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226263795 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-102.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226263811 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226263821 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1226264051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1226264071 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226264176 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :a
< 1226264184 0 :a!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jix
< 1226264186 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A what?"
< 1226264200 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As the message in this client is: "jix is now known as a".)
< 1226264226 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wanted to test a bot that swaps the first two letters of nicks in status msgs to avoid highlights
< 1226264253 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of status msgs?
< 1226264276 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma
< 1226264296 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you write nick++ the user gains karma if you write nick-- it loses
< 1226264305 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226264373 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimally that sort of thing should support also "++nick" and "--nick", with the difference being whether the status message reports karma before or after the change.
< 1226264388 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, of course
< 1226264434 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to write a command for the statistics
< 1226264443 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't report it after you issue the ++ or -- command
< 1226264458 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, okay.
< 1226264980 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226265047 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi
< 1226265105 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1226265268 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@net-93-145-206-165.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226265283 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:12… AnMaster: Zero Instruction Set Computer <<< genius
< 1226265300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok, was that sarcastic?
< 1226265768 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226265794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no i was not
< 1226265800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how about a NOISC
< 1226265804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative one instruction set computer
< 1226265827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there negative amounts made sense for discrete objects
< 1226265837 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226265852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: damn you, i was thinking of making a lang compile to underload too.
< 1226265858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although a bit higher level
< 1226265882 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like C = 7; A = 5 * C; print A * "x";
< 1226265891 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i wanted to keep it compatible with the stack concept
< 1226265906 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought of implementing an even higher level language on top of my stack language
< 1226265915 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should be a lot easier than doing it directly
< 1226265916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that would work.
< 1226265953 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously a good way to do it "directly" is just never to publish the stack language but make it first anyway.
< 1226265983 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226266032 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mainly wanted to get something like registers there, did stack-based->bf once, it's quite fun compiling between stack and registers
< 1226266033 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm programming in a scripting language
< 1226266034 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226266047 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hiding it will be hard
< 1226266052 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i program in python almost exclusively
< 1226266064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm. that's not exactly what i meant
< 1226266076 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226266087 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then i didn't get what you mean
< 1226266088 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just meant you just don't make a big whoop about the stack language, it's just an intermediate thingie.
< 1226266102 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226266120 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think i'd prefer to program in it over a more high level language
< 1226266126 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah of course it's better to extend underload with some kinda procedures first, it's just i consider that trivial
< 1226266152 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah basically it really just is a preprocessor
< 1226266154 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of do a "stack-language to registery machine" thing with jitfunge, given that the input is Befunge and the output is x86 code.
< 1226266157 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i should call it like that
< 1226266183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, except this is the other way
< 1226266191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think it's fundamentally pretty similar a problem.
< 1226266222 0 :Corun_!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226266233 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I also still have a stack, so it's pretty trivial; and in fact I could just opt to not use the registers much.
< 1226266235 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Corun_ we were just talking about you
< 1226266247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm right
< 1226266263 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sometimes forget The Stack is a stack.
< 1226266313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i bet the topic is my sayings.
< 1226266352 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes, from July this year.
< 1226266372 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1226266382 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Related to psygnisfive's "in the music video theres this boy thats hot / who really needs to sit on my cock".
< 1226266396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1226266402 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: english needs a better word than "on" there
< 1226266404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love my own jokes
< 1226266417 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something with a meaning like "around"
< 1226266418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sit around my cock"
< 1226266435 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Have you been sitting around cocks here?"
< 1226266446 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe like "into", except the active and static roles are reversed
< 1226266459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "in the music video theres this boy thats hot / who really needs to sit on my cock" <- that is some rhyming there
< 1226266470 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Oklopol
< 1226266471 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, one thing remains still, while another one surrounds it
< 1226266478 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just talking about you
< 1226266492 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we have a separate word case for that in Finnish either.
< 1226266506 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We've got 15 of them for nouns.)
< 1226266546 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a rare thing to happen though
< 1226266612 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ey what?
< 1226266626 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did i say this again?
< 1226266628 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which music video?
< 1226266636 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: 2008-07-21
< 1226266642 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which music video?
< 1226266675 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's talk about "Scatman" right before.
< 1226266679 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes ok
< 1226266682 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that boy.
< 1226266808 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. i think i'm really fundamentally too lazy to be a programmer; i simply cannot get myself to open a file containing some parsing code, and i don't feel like writing it because i have it in a file already.
< 1226266818 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what i'm not too lazy for.
< 1226266826 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lost the game
< 1226266831 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i read "The Stack"
< 1226266841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elaborate
< 1226266862 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: veb or noun?
< 1226266865 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*verb
< 1226266867 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't say The Word
< 1226266881 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which Word?
< 1226266882 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: what?
< 1226266885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226266889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elaborate was a verb
< 1226266897 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that makes jix lose
< 1226266898 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS Word?
< 1226266911 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stack"?
< 1226266920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty standard way to ask someone to... elaborate
< 1226266922 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "Word"
< 1226266936 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is only a theory
< 1226266948 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, I have been known to use "detail" as a verb
< 1226266954 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Again in Finnish we'd have had a separate verb mood (imperative) for making a command like that.
< 1226266977 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: IMD they are distinguished by emphasis pattern
< 1226266990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: true; we should really move to finnish and hope it catches on.
< 1226267012 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a stack is only a theory?
< 1226267029 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the finnish version "kerro lisää" is sarcastic and means "shut up, i don't give a shit".
< 1226267067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: jix loses The Game when reading things of the form The Word.  sheesh.
< 1226267079 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaah
< 1226267086 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's often followed with "kiveäkin kiinnostaa" - "even the stone is interested".
< 1226267089 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that pattern of capitalisation
< 1226267095 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually is that "kiviä" or "kiveä"? I'm not quite sure.)
< 1226267101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kiviäkin kiinnostaa
< 1226267103 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plural
< 1226267107 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1226267115 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes English had cool sarcasm like that
< 1226267128 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds pretty funny in english
< 1226267137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i should start using it
< 1226267140 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard it quite often in the form "runkoreititintäkin kiinnostaa" ("even the core network router is interested") so I couldn't remember the pluarlismity of the standard version.
< 1226267147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: I _could_ care less
< 1226267181 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do "I could care less" and "I couldn't care less" have basically the same meaning, or are there differences?
< 1226267187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah i've heard that too, and many others
< 1226267204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i could care less" isn't exactly used, is it?
< 1226267209 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, I think one of my more deadpan freinds has stated his lack of interest by claiming inanimate to be interested
< 1226267211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by americans
< 1226267212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1226267222 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well acquantances
< 1226267228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I could care less is sarcastic, iiuc
< 1226267232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't lose the game because of my preventative measure.
< 1226267240 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so same eventual meaning
< 1226267244 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. S�, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."
< 1226267313 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Google found a handy chart for it: http://incompetech.com/gallimaufry/care_less.html
< 1226267316 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's useful.
< 1226267327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:39:37 <ehird> Here are the new rules to Not the Game:
< 1226267327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:39:38 <ehird> {
< 1226267327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:39:38 <ehird> 1. You can start playing or stop playing Not the Game by announcing you do.
< 1226267328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:39:38 <ehird> 2. If you are playing Not the Game, you are not playing The Game.
< 1226267328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:39:38 <ehird> 3. Not the Game takes precedence over every other game, including games (apart
< 1226267328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:39:39 <ehird> from Not the Game) that specify other rules of precedence.
< 1226267331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:39:40 <ehird> }
< 1226267333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:39:42 <ehird> I start playing Not the Game.
< 1226267335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- 2008-10-30
< 1226267337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who else wants to start playing Not the Game?
< 1226267341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free yourself from the Game!
< 1226267403 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel especially constrained about the Game even without playing Not the Game.
< 1226267419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing "could care less" actually in use, i've definitely seen that in use before.
< 1226267450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But it lets you believe in the reaching-out silliness of games exceeding their boundaries, while not bothering with the boringness of the Game!
< 1226267487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in believing in that.
< 1226267497 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mwahah, the Wikipedia article is written in the canonical Wikipedia style.
< 1226267499 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Game has been called pointless and has been known to infuriate some people."
< 1226267545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1226267563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOME PEOPLE say that joe is gay
< 1226267588 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is there a weasel word tag?
< 1226267612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the time it takes to put a tag there they could remove the sentence
< 1226267612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226267707 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately no. Maybe there should be.
< 1226267721 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the sentence is actually referenced
< 1226267728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1226267743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people say that joe is gay.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7]
< 1226267756 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a section (titled "Weasel words if I ever saw them") referring to that part on the discussion page, but nothing seems to have happened re it.
< 1226267766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x_x
< 1226267797 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'x'
< 1226267817 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Given that you're loaded with 20 megabytes of Wikipedia talk, how does that make you feel?
< 1226267817 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this is a global encyclopedia. bob dylan in europe was on cbs records, not columbia records in the 1960s, spread the legend that johnson had sold his soul to the devil in exchange for them eliminating the enfield 8000 article provides ' ' '
< 1226267865 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know there were any legends about people selling their souls in exchange for the elimination of Wikipedia articles.
< 1226267886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226267889 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially made by bob dylan in the 1960s
< 1226267905 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that man is a true visionary indeed
< 1226268024 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There also seem to be nine nominations-for-deletion already; with "unknown2 result", "keep", "delete", "keep deleted", "no consensus", "restore", "no consensus", "delete" and "allow recreation". The System, it works.
< 1226268129 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but sooner or later you lose The System
< 1226268163 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@net-93-145-206-165.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226271300 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226271404 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEOUCH!  http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/08/1720246
< 1226271457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was on reddit yesterday
< 1226271543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1226271544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was
< 1226271545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1226271993 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1226272208 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226272217 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1226272237 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night
< 1226272239 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1226272484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1226273540 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226273581 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1226273889 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226274099 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. S�, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."
< 1226274368 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to bed.  (Quote of the day: "OH, GOD SHIT JESUS." // "A peculiar form of Theogenesis.")
< 1226274483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's got to be _some_ mythology that did that already.
< 1226274588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REGEX CHALLENGE:
< 1226274604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :match the first one of these chars : . ,
< 1226274605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except
< 1226274607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outside of () and []
< 1226274612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so foo(bar,quux)baz.
< 1226274613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets the .
< 1226274623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but foo,bar.baz gets the ,
< 1226274677 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty obviously requires something advanced enough to do parenthesis matching
< 1226274700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not rly
< 1226274702 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you allow nested parens
< 1226274703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no nested parens
< 1226274705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or []s
< 1226274741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then it should be possible
< 1226274796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, wait, think i've cracked it
< 1226274896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't work
< 1226274896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1226275001 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([^.,]|[(][^)]*[)]|[[][^]]*[]])* should be the part before it
< 1226275006 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or thereabouts
< 1226275044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait
< 1226275074 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([^][().,]|[(][^)]*[)]|[[][^]]*[]])*
< 1226275168 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc ] must be first (possibly after ^) in a [...]
< 1226275170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wow
< 1226275215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume () and [] should only occur matched
< 1226275286 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose some backslashes may be needed in some syntaxes
< 1226275351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, it just munches up the text and then spits out nothing.
< 1226275362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm actually _splitting_ text by this, which would explain it.)
< 1226275374 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said that is the part _before_ the matched character
< 1226275432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226275433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226275436 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226275453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oerjan
< 1226275462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1226275463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enver mind
< 1226275531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it might be possible to simplify
< 1226275549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm trying to get it actually working atm
< 1226275553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much luck :D
< 1226275560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([^\]\[():.,]|[\(][^\)]*[\)]|[\[][^\]]*[\]])*
< 1226275564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ correctly escaped, i think
< 1226275596 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :escapes _inside_ [...] ?
< 1226275614 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's allowed
< 1226275619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1226275630 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly shouldn't be necessary
< 1226275639 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as ] is the first
< 1226275675 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i may recall wrong (and i'm assuming perl)
< 1226275707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1226275709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is allowed
< 1226275712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reccomended
< 1226275716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1226275769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm another possibility
< 1226275822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^[^][().,]*|[)]|[]]
< 1226275849 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the first requires to check all the way back to the beginning
< 1226275876 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*first choice
< 1226275901 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm wait
< 1226275936 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^|[)]|[]])[^][().,]*
< 1226275985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw, there will only ever be one [] or () pair
< 1226275987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it will never be at the start
< 1226276004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter here
< 1226276021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is currently trying to get yours working
< 1226276038 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't tested it myself
< 1226276058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226276109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wtf is [)]
< 1226276111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just... \)
< 1226276122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps
< 1226276143 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got into the habit of putting anything i'm unsure of inside []
< 1226276147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[^][().,] is meant to be [^\]\[().,] right?
< 1226276165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once upon a time
< 1226276193 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1226276216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> x=r'((?:^|\)|\])[^\]\[().,])'
< 1226276217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> re.match(x, 'hello world [abc,def]g.a').groups()
< 1226276217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :('h',)
< 1226276224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?:...) means 'match this but don't make a group'
< 1226276237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wit
< 1226276239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed the *
< 1226276275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> x=r'(^|\)|\])([^\]\[().,]*)'
< 1226276275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> re.match(x, 'hello world [abc,def]g.a').groups()
< 1226276275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :('', 'hello world ')
< 1226276281 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that _still_ is only the part _before_ the matching character
< 1226276293 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are not matching for the character itself
< 1226276348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm just trying to get it to match anything that isn't the null string right now
< 1226276353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :walk before you leap and all
< 1226276356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it run
< 1226276369 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it always matches the null string, obviously
< 1226276380 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have any condition on what comes after
< 1226276429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm scratch that, should be greedy
< 1226276588 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well you need a better expert
< 1226276597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226277687 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | clever
< 1226278410 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+"
< 1226281310 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1226281518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1226282280 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooo
< 1226288075 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's say i have a key->value mapping that takes an item to a list of tags
< 1226288115 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i need to evaluate statements like "x and (y or z)" on the tags, returning the items that match
< 1226288119 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do that efficiently?
< 1226288199 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, less than O(n)
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< 1226295185 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226295819 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..."
< 1226299287 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | tazle even
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< 1226303999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1226304000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226304504 0 :kwertii!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"bye"
< 1226305591 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1226305943 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Unisex."
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< 1226309629 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1226310357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning
< 1226310411 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a  language with even fewer commands than P'' / BF?
< 1226311012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226311014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OISC
< 1226311033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the ultimate one I believe
< 1226311069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you go for something with a totally different paradigm, such as gravity which could be argued to have no commands
< 1226311119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm doesn't seem that was the name
< 1226311129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some lang based on simulating gravity
< 1226311141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess it had commands in some other form
< 1226311171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait was searching on wrong wiki
< 1226311405 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OISC is pretty interesting
< 1226311427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doitle2, I believe it is the ultimate "few commands"
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< 1226312166 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop ! :)
< 1226312649 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oisc's have one complicated instruction
< 1226312670 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are ones that have one simple instruction and a more complicated instructionspace.
< 1226312699 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(black)
< 1226313260 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the MOV based ones?
< 1226313385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION propose a NOP based one
< 1226313441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since real computers aren't tc, why should a fictional computer have to be it? After all OISC is pretty close to hardware.
< 1226313590 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol NOP based
< 1226313602 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: i would call black's instruction quite complicated
< 1226314705 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1226316354 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: well it's complex to explain, but i find it conceptually simpler.
< 1226316359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's a matter of taste
< 1226316377 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i think substract two numbers and if the result is negative skip the next instruction is very simple
< 1226316381 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just kinda turns when someone flaps its tail.
< 1226316391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bounces when it hits things.
< 1226316427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nopol is based on the concept of nopularity, meaning the only instructions are complex nops
< 1226316448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, link?
< 1226316459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's mine, so one doesn't exist.
< 1226316459 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what are complex nops?
< 1226316474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: ones that do computation, then discard it
< 1226316488 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then they aren't nops
< 1226316510 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because doing computations is what i'd call an operation
< 1226316514 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can evaluate lazily. it's just their semantics
< 1226316537 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they need to get done what an instruction that does computation and discards it would get done.
< 1226316557 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they are just normal nops in the end
< 1226316564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, assuming said instructions have no side effects they are nops in other words?
< 1226316570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, that's the point.
< 1226316589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interpreter can just discard the source
< 1226316599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the debuggers that make the language interesting :)
< 1226316609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1226316611 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really it's just a joke on top of a weird language.
< 1226316643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm side effect free instruction set
< 1226316647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible or not?
< 1226316687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure possible to make side effect free languages, but I mean low level instruction set (think asm) that is side effect free
< 1226316714 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1226316730 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an asm
< 1226316745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program consists of a list of operations taken from a set of tuples
< 1226316754 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(instr,regarg,regarg...)
< 1226316763 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarg being a register given as an argument ofc
< 1226316768 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking of side effects makes only sense if you define some standard input and output that you define to be not a side effect
< 1226316772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least programs in asm can be represented this way
< 1226316775 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now
< 1226316778 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like for functions the parameter and return value
< 1226316780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of tuples is finite
< 1226316787 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no side-effects can't be tc
< 1226316800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you give some other definition for either side-effects or asm.
< 1226316818 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the registers could be infinitely large
< 1226316824 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a minsky machine then easily
< 1226316827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: what does that help?
< 1226316829 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm.
< 1226316830 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> turing complete
< 1226316837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no....
< 1226316844 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah flow control?
< 1226316847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the program does not have side-effects
< 1226316850 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it cannot jump.
< 1226316870 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all you have is you can execute any of those instructions, or any amount of them sequentially.
< 1226316878 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you have enough registers (but finite) you could encode the statemachine in them
< 1226316907 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you chose the right instructions
< 1226316917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that basically means having one instruction for each state machine
< 1226316922 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1226316939 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have one single instruction that works for all statemachines
< 1226316959 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1226316962 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a bit complex.... but it could interpret one register as the statemachine description, one as the position in the statemachine, and two as the minsky machine registers
< 1226316983 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, you can get an exponential amount of data into one instruction, because the tuple contains any amount of registers.
< 1226316987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any finite amount
< 1226316998 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, you can get something out of it.
< 1226317002 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 4 registers would be enough
< 1226317023 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm there are also turing complete minsky machines with 1 register.. so 3 would suffice
< 1226317033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the point is, if you don't have side-effects, you can just have one instruction in the program anyway, because they cannot talk to each other anyway.
< 1226317043 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah
< 1226317045 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway anyway.
< 1226317069 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just move the side effects to another level were they aren't counted as such
< 1226317081 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case the register contents
< 1226317088 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1226317115 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IAU - interpret as unary, no side-effects, but tc on another level.
< 1226317127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Unary this unary
< 1226317424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr X seems to leak like a sieve
< 1226317451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean 600 MB RAM (and growing) usage after X running without a restart for 12 days.
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< 1226317947 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, jitfunge seems to be able to run underload.b98 now; still woefully incomplete, and don't really have free time to work on it, though.
< 1226318176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
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< 1226318938 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i think i have an idea for a new esolang
< 1226319275 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inspired by underload but with pattern matching and input
< 1226320888 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | #10 cleans the buffer
< 1226321105 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226321106 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | i think i have it
< 1226321108 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226321109 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | It's mine. :-)
< 1226322095 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optbot's so possessive.
< 1226322096 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: of course they don't
< 1226322119 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: And case-insensitive, too!
< 1226322120 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK
< 1226322298 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oPtBOt: truely?
< 1226322299 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ccbi is apparently the only standard-compilant Funge-98 interp, so that's the one I use
< 1226322392 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (test)S
< 1226322392 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1226322622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<optbot> oerjan: ccbi is apparently the only standard-compilant Funge-98 interp, so that's the one I use
< 1226322622 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird:
< 1226322625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it when optbot baits AnMaster
< 1226322626 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: bye.. somebody add the map link to topic! :)
< 1226322726 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1226322738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, when was that said btw?
< 1226322757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume before cfunge was developed, or during early development of it
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< 1226327788 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226327802 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal
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< 1226329616 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1226329632 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found a quite awful befunge interpreter I wrote
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< 1226329784 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone probably has a nasty surprise like that in their closet.
< 1226329813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226329827 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I occasionally notice the GLfunge98 sources too when digging around my HD, and feel quite "oh dear"-y.
< 1226329850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I believe I have a copy of glfunge around somewhere
< 1226329875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe not
< 1226329899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any updates to jitfunge?
< 1226330082 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bugfixes and bits of STRN, nothing very major. I did update the tarball now.
< 1226330138 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It runs underload.b98 but very badly, since it keeps recompiling the main interpreter loop. Have to change that a bit at some point.
< 1226330141 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must catch a bus now.
< 1226330180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya
< 1226330200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, when you get back: why does it recompile main loop?
< 1226330539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, mycology fails at "BAD: 7! != 0" now?
< 1226330811 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-102.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226332193 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, that's curious. I must've messed something up.
< 1226332227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You said something about a bus?
< 1226332245 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, from work-place to home-place; I successfully caught it.
< 1226332261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought it was 15:20
< 1226332265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 15:50.
< 1226332278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This explains things to the brain I use for thinking.
< 1226332387 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it recompiles the main loop because of the fact that (to get longer functions) it currently traces code by predicting all branches to be true, which means it generates a single function for the whole main loop; then it ends up hitting that function in multiple locations, which I don't sensibly support yet.
< 1226332530 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit non-trivial, since I pass a lot of stuff in registers instead of pushing things onto the stack all the time. I should maybe do the "hit the middle of a function" so that I mark the location as a potential entry-point and recompile the code so that it's possible.
< 1226332543 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Won't be back for a while..."
< 1226333783 0 :comexk!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226333855 0 :comexk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :comex
< 1226335218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you mean dynamically changing to make the trace shorter?
< 1226335218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i want?
< 1226335223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :control of the Storm botnet
< 1226335227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would calculate stuff with it.
< 1226335236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a holy-freaking-huge distributed supercomputer!
< 1226335252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't Storm get captured by a group of botnet researchers recently?
< 1226335264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not captured but i think they used it
< 1226335294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but srsly, wouldn't it be awesome to be able to calculate stuff on a "computer" with probably the most bandwidth in the world and probably the most processing power in the world?
< 1226335435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi
< 1226335447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1226335452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it seems to be semi-autonomous
< 1226335461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it ddos'es you seemingly automatic if you try and research into it
< 1226336317 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-24-167.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226336715 0 :fizzie2!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226336792 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226336811 0 :fizzie2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fizzie
< 1226337618 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226337726 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of supporting multiple entry-points in the generated functions; that's pretty simple, after all.
< 1226337783 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.foddy.net/Athletics.html
< 1226337855 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back when my code snippets always ended where there was an | the system was pretty good at finding the basic blocks without much help, but that's bit more function-call overhead.
< 1226337869 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226337881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: which lang?
< 1226337908 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which which lang?
< 1226337935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a befunge-98 JIT
< 1226337938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written in C++
< 1226337945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226337948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226337998 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1226338001 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And generates x86 native-code.
< 1226338118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my record is 29.3m, tell me if you beat it, hard to obsess without competition)
< 1226338136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually not that hard, but anyway)
< 1226338165 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My record is 2.2 metres, then I closed it.
< 1226338206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i assume most people do, no need to tell me.
< 1226338247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i cannot do :<
< 1226338262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :walking is hard
< 1226338284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a better response, although still not very useful :P
< 1226338284 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be a lot easier to move backwards.
< 1226338290 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me about 20 minutes to get it moving
< 1226338302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm making him boogie
< 1226338329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can run now, it's just the balance is goddamn hard to keep even though i know how it's theoretically done.
< 1226338359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that movement is pretty limited, i can't see any way to add any kind of exploration to that
< 1226338367 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but esoteric movement is always esoteric movement
< 1226338415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("one click method" my ass, if i need to choose a mirror, it's a two-click method, which is considerably worse)
< 1226338441 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not completely certain that game is 100 % realistic.
< 1226338461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do even better than a one click method: have a one hover method
< 1226338462 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should it be?
< 1226338469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one hover shopping, for instance, could be quite interesting
< 1226338475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to be very careful with your mouse movement
< 1226338509 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiming for realism is only good when done for inspiration. aiming for realism for realism's sake is pointless
< 1226338528 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to be able to flip the guy, since it's so very easy to go backwards.
< 1226338539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226338545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how?
< 1226338562 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't actually mastered the whole concept, just running forward.
< 1226338579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not that i can explain how running forward is done.
< 1226338592 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backwards is doable by simply alternating o and p.
< 1226338594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, wo for one leg, then qp for the other, repeat
< 1226338632 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the leg, when rising up, is too far away, over 90 degrees, use either o or p, depending on which you used to lift the leg, to contract it
< 1226338647 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Starting with p; and he ends up sort-of running on his toes backwards.)
< 1226338693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1226338693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's fun
< 1226338745 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226338775 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this seems to sort-of work: keeping both legs spread out as far as possible, then using "qo" to bounce forwards a bit and then "wp" to reset.
< 1226338795 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moves forwards by some .1 metres or so.
< 1226338810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xDDDDDDD
< 1226338855 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 50 meters, there's some kind of hurdle, i hear.
< 1226338929 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1226338932 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm at 14 metres, running on one knee.
< 1226338943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226338957 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have the patience, tell me what the hurdle thingie is like.
< 1226338992 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, if I get that far. 21.4 metres now.
< 1226339019 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd watch them Olympics if they ran this way.
< 1226339077 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226339192 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew, 40.5 metres.
< 1226339231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're giving me a funny seizure.
< 1226339248 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226339253 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost fell over backwards when I tried to bounce for more than 30 centimetres.
< 1226339261 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226339270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lols
< 1226339299 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, 48.6 metres, found the hurdle.
< 1226339301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screencapping.
< 1226339403 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/runner.png -- incidentally, that is my running posture.
< 1226339420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still alive?
< 1226339432 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but I don't know how I'm going to get over that thing.
< 1226339444 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh.
< 1226339448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1226339449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god it's tall
< 1226339462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, someone call the olympic guys
< 1226339466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should do it like this
< 1226339502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i almost rolled a meter
< 1226339566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can run a steady 15 meters, and 20-25 isn't rare
< 1226339575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for some reason i always trip around there.
< 1226339581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's just a flat surface.
< 1226339583 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey!
< 1226339588 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hurdle isn't fixed in place.
< 1226339593 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just knocked it down.
< 1226339597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL
< 1226339602 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I can keep pushing it forward for the next 50 metres.
< 1226339609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahah do it
< 1226339693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1226339709 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try; although I got a bit of stuck: http://zem.fi/~fis/runner2.png
< 1226339743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: at -2 meters there is an UNCANNILY LARGE GRAY BLOCK
< 1226339743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1226339754 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, noticed when I tried to run backwards a bit.
< 1226339784 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226339785 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems I can still push that hurdle-thing forward with the right leg, it's just a bit slower.
< 1226339838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol
< 1226339840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run backwards
< 1226339844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the huge gray block
< 1226339847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and run into it :<
< 1226339889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't move
< 1226339976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how's it going?
< 1226340023 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 62.5 metres.
< 1226340041 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got the fence-thing stuck to my groin for a while, had to jump for quite a while.
< 1226340047 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slow going.
< 1226340054 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not going to win any style points with this.
< 1226340179 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :70 metres. Almost accidentally got over it, but not quite, and not going to start doing any athletics at this point.
< 1226340384 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems kinda pointless now that i learned to run.
< 1226340398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as there's not even a timer.
< 1226340488 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :91 metres.
< 1226340504 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not the only one doing it like this: http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1064/qwopyx9.gif
< 1226340530 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems
< 1226340595 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be a water thing ahead or something.
< 1226340602 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I got past the fence, again accidentally.
< 1226340609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1226340621 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1226340630 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the small blue thing just before the goal?
< 1226340637 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck that's hard
< 1226340637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look too dangerous
< 1226340659 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/runner3.png
< 1226340673 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it isn't. Will have to see.
< 1226340683 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not going to rerun this far if I end up sinking in it or something.
< 1226340687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's it
< 1226340689 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or re"run", anyway.
< 1226340690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1226340714 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's a mat.
< 1226340724 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then comes a sand thing and a measurement tape.
< 1226340728 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226340739 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm certainly not going to *jump* here.
< 1226340742 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226340886 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Final metres: http://zem.fi/~fis/runner4.png http://zem.fi/~fis/runner5.png
< 1226340890 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was quite a jump.
< 1226340929 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you a nationall hero?
< 1226340932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*national
< 1226341011 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. We have the same nationality; am I your hero?
< 1226341061 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think, you just beat a game i've been banging for hours?
< 1226341071 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... no?
< 1226341089 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can run to the end and make a longer jump and still beat me. :p
< 1226341094 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess you could be my nemesis or something.
< 1226341113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking "yes", but "no" works just as well
< 1226341118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1226341121 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah shuuure
< 1226341239 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'll probably play this for the rest of the week, if i finish it, i'll let you know.
< 1226341254 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now some fun c++ exercises ->
< 1226342036 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226342488 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | but i don't really concentrate on single words when readin
< 1226342645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.foddy.net/Cricket.html
< 1226343691 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226343705 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226343867 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226344521 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1226344645 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-065-114.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226345505 0 :vabot!n=vabot@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226345516 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot
< 1226345611 0 :vabot1!n=vabot@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226345632 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot
< 1226345655 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh
< 1226345659 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VARIABLE ARGUMENTS BOT AWAAAAy
< 1226345682 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, darn it, the code still doesn't quite work
< 1226345684 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait
< 1226345696 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot q
< 1226345715 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang nab it. Oh well, some other time then
< 1226345941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is vabot?
< 1226346079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi!
< 1226346086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1226346152 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not who, ratehr what
< 1226346162 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is my attempt at a IRC bot in python
< 1226346171 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has been met with partial success
< 1226346179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226346192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do?
< 1226346233 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Can't you see it does nothing?
< 1226346240 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, it (is supposed to) throw out a random quote of GLaDOS from Portal when you call it's nick
< 1226346248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what is it meant to do is more of the question
< 1226346259 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, that needs, er, work (it was working last night with ~q - check the logs)
< 1226346277 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overall, I have no idea, interpret an obscure esolang or something
< 1226346357 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it MindBogglinglyInsecureBot and the only command is to exec something.
< 1226346384 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, interesting, but undoubtedly a no from me
< 1226346403 0 :vabot2!n=vabot@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226346411 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabotq
< 1226346419 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot
< 1226346443 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and again, vabot
< 1226346445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot2?
< 1226346539 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, thanks ais523, through the introduction of that two, you showed me the subtle flaw in the code :P
< 1226346559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming is weird...
< 1226346567 0 :vabot2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226346580 0 :vabot3!n=vabot@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226346590 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot q
< 1226346608 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabotq
< 1226346628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 3 vabots in here at the moment; vabot, vabot1, vabot3
< 1226346632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot3 q
< 1226346634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot3q
< 1226346644 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, sorry about that, can't seem to get the disconnect string
< 1226346649 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAH, you crashed it :P
< 1226346664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: QUIT :reason
< 1226346676 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, thank you, should be better now :)
< 1226346710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just cutting the connection works too
< 1226346721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you send QUIT, the server will cut the connection
< 1226346732 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmm, I see I see
< 1226346743 0 :vabot3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226346754 0 :vabot3!n=vabot@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226346761 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabotq
< 1226346762 0 :vabot3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: My guess is that touching it will just make your life even worse somehow. I don't want to tell you your business, but if it were me Id leave that thing alone.
< 1226346770 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there we are :D
< 1226346784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabotq
< 1226346785 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I should be able to make it leave too
< 1226346786 0 :vabot3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: COMPANION CUBE, You said to take care of it, How can I, You wouldn't let me, I should disregard your, advice Leave me alone!
< 1226346787 0 :vabot3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1226346808 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoorah! thanks ais523 :D
< 1226346890 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226347005 0 :vabot1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226347037 0 :vabot!n=vabot@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226347045 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot, tell me about marx
< 1226347048 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: Momentum, a function of mass and velocity, is conserved between portals. In layman's terms, speedy thing goes in, speedy thing comes out.
< 1226347062 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugger O.o
< 1226347093 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot die
< 1226347094 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: Though earth and man are gone, I thought the cube would last forever, I WAS WRONG
< 1226347105 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabotdie
< 1226347106 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1226347111 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226347151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, what reason did you give? Freenode won't show people unless it's been connected for a while, to avoid quit msg spam
< 1226347166 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmm
< 1226347170 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : s.send('QUIT :underflow\r\n')
< 1226347178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226347193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION guesses the topic
< 1226347198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon... oklopol this time
< 1226347216 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now my only gripe is with string.find('blah')
< 1226347227 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm what would be a funny esolang to write an irc bot in?
< 1226347240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: some of the best ones are already taken
< 1226347244 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malbolge
< 1226347245 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1226347255 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: i knew this answer would come
< 1226347257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do INTERCAL if you're willing to work around the lack of any sort of string handling, it's pretty flexible and usable otherwise
< 1226347263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for an esolang, that is
< 1226347285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda could be interesting
< 1226347291 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1226347302 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, try a functional language
< 1226347303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thutu and Funge-98 have already been done
< 1226347305 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just cause
< 1226347326 0 :vabot!n=vabot@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226347326 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n;: That thing you burned up inst important to me. Its the fluid catalytic cracking unit. It made shoes for orphans. Nice job breaking it, hero.
< 1226347358 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot marx
< 1226347359 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: Are you trying to escape? [High-pitched laughter] Things have changed since you last left the building. Whats going on outside will make you wish you were back in here. I have an infinite capacity for knowledge, and even I'm not sure whats going on outside.
< 1226347376 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226347378 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabotmarx
< 1226347382 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: Well, you found me. Congratulations. Was it worth it? Because despite your violent behavior, all you have managed to break so far, is my heart. Why don't we just leave it at that and call it a day?
< 1226347394 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, guess no Karl Marx quotes for a while then
< 1226347440 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrmm, I could probably start perpetual bot chatter here. Does fungbot respond with a nick?
< 1226347447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does
< 1226347456 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what language is it's input in?
< 1226347459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (vabotq)S
< 1226347459 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabotq
< 1226347459 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That thing you burned up inst important to me. Its the fluid catalytic cracking unit. It made shoes for orphans. Nice job breaking it, hero.
< 1226347460 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: My guess is that touching it will just make your life even worse somehow. I don't want to tell you your business, but if it were me Id leave that thing alone.
< 1226347460 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot: added: actually i don't think this is intended to mean that the predecessors to the edomites, of whom fnord were men, fnord print fnord for women, an obnoxious person, any person) on this matter.
< 1226347461 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: As part of a required test protocol, our previous statement suggesting that we would not monitor this chamber was an outright fabrication.
< 1226347462 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot: could someone describe an actual experimental measuring method? i'm attempting this as a pseudo trumpet? user:dcb1995david 07:21, 24 february 2007 ( utc))
< 1226347463 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Time out for a second ...that wasn't supposed to happen. Did you see that thing that fell out of me? What is that? Its not the surprise- Ive never seen it before. Never mind- its a mystery Ill solve later... by myself...because youll be dead.
< 1226347463 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot: best regards, cam. fnord 14:20, 23 june 2006 ( utc)
< 1226347464 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: COMPANION CUBE, You said to take care of it, How can I, You wouldn't let me, I should disregard your, advice Leave me alone!
< 1226347465 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot: as you can see, the dismantling has not been reading uk press reports on this either widely or closely, her dog, fnord is covered on the page
< 1226347466 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Superstition perceiving inanimate objects as alive, and hallucinations Im not hallucinating. You are. The companion cube would never desert me. Desert. So long ... Cake. Ha ha Cake. A lie. The companion cube would never lie to me.
< 1226347470 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA
< 1226347478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: fungot has an anti-loop provision
< 1226347478 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: earlier, i made this edit on september 14th. on september 15th, a series of pages on these matters. a page for the article, but i have a fnord
< 1226347495 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, fancy aint it? I see, and who wrote it?
< 1226347500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Underload or Brainfuck
< 1226347505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fungot is fizzie's
< 1226347506 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the term " pseudostrong" atheist comes to mind as an appropriate label, in the next week. kb fnord 20:01, 4 april 2007 ( utc))
< 1226347515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot does Underload, but it doesn't respond to its nick
< 1226347519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (Hi there!)S
< 1226347519 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi there!
< 1226347525 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice :D
< 1226347534 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrmm, what language should vabot do?
< 1226347535 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: Well, you found me. Congratulations. Was it worth it? Because despite your violent behavior, all you have managed to break so far, is my heart. Why don't we just leave it at that and call it a day?
< 1226347559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how goes gcc-bf? ick? feather?
< 1226347569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a good name for a feather interpreter btw.
< 1226347570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick's the only one with activity
< 1226347573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and go on
< 1226347588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, two ideas: 1) pen  2) bird
< 1226347609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pen would fit because:
< 1226347614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) (re)writing
< 1226347624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) pens have traditionally been made from feathers
< 1226347642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also sound pretty mundane and boring :d
< 1226347651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feather could be the name of a pen interpreter
< 1226347653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, HB then?
< 1226347661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1226347675 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good, but no one would get it.
< 1226347717 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i don't want to write an irc bot in unlambda
< 1226347782 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabotdie
< 1226347782 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: Not in cruelty, Not in wrath, The REAPER came today, An ANGEL visited, this gray path, And took the cube away.
< 1226347810 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226347845 0 :vabot1!n=vabot@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226347858 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot1 marx
< 1226347860 0 :vabot1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: The cake is a lie
< 1226347867 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabotmarx
< 1226347868 0 :vabot1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: As part of a required test protocol, our previous statement suggesting that we would not monitor this chamber was an outright fabrication.
< 1226347870 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot1
< 1226347870 0 :vabot1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Id just like to point out that you were given every opportunity to succeed. There was even going to be a party for you. A big party that all your friends were invited to. I invited your best friend the companion cube. Of course, he couldn't come because you murdered him. All your other friends couldn't come either because you don't have any other friends. Because of how unlikable you are. It says so here in your personnel file: Un
< 1226347885 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabotdie
< 1226347886 0 :vabot1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: My guess is that touching it will just make your life even worse somehow. I don't want to tell you your business, but if it were me Id leave that thing alone.
< 1226347889 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabotovich
< 1226347890 0 :vabot1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you think I'm trying to trick you with reverse psychology? Seriously now...
< 1226348006 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry about this all, but may I proceed with some testing?
< 1226348023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: I don't mind, although it's usual to create a new channel for that sort of thing
< 1226348024 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or does anyone know a blank channel?)
< 1226348029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try #esoteric-blah, that's what it was created for
< 1226348037 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, thanks
< 1226348063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just create a new blank channel by /joining it, though, if nobody's using it you end up alone in the channel with op, and can do what you like there within reason
< 1226348080 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, I see, thanks once more
< 1226348116 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course, #esoteric-blah allows those who like esoteric bot testing to watch
< 1226348156 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226348237 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore
< 1226348237 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(thutubot|optbot)!
< 1226348238 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ctrl+alt+del is your friend
< 1226348256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the !
< 1226348258 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also ignored them more permanent bots, but this new one seems to have a rather variable name.
< 1226348266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1226348267 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's matched against the full nick!user@host prefix.
< 1226348290 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: would you ignore someone saying thutubot!
< 1226348291 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry, the ancient land of the free and the home of the brave? fnord
< 1226348296 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not
< 1226348305 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's only matched to the prefix part of the message.
< 1226348341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot! fungot!
< 1226348342 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: please ' ' ' this'" wikipedia article constitutes fair use. in addition to the wikipedia:image copyright tags/ fair useboilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with wp:fufair use.
< 1226348380 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WP:FUFAIR" is a new one, I think.
< 1226348438 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably has been a link like [[WP:FU|fair use]] but with the notation stripped.
< 1226348520 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Maybe you should go back to IRC logs from Wikipedia again.
< 1226348521 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: unless you mean it takes an element filter procedure, but maybe i will when i start fixing it rather than to trigger wind points on the turn before to nail his mortar-wielding gear.
< 1226348530 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> one hover shopping, for instance, could be quite interesting
< 1226348532 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1226348561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even better, one mouseover shopping
< 1226348565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take that, 1-Click!
< 1226348691 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're getting a lot of corpora, maybe you could make a fungot command to switch between them? (i assume you are doing it manually now)
< 1226348692 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: change that at will. though that proof is tough in general, and in essence: yes.
< 1226348979 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226349208 0 :vabot1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226349235 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@cE699BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226349720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If you don't unignore optbot, it will wage war against fungot. :-P
< 1226349721 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: like this:
< 1226349721 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, i am curious about imail as wel. maybe some people would be motivated to look into
< 1226349728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: no, please no demonstrations
< 1226349728 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i mean, as well as the clever domain pun
< 1226349813 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1226349990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226350071 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226350171 0 :vabot!n=vabot@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226350191 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you must kill him, be kind. Simpy calling his nick like this: vabot results in him quoting portal
< 1226350192 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: Superstition perceiving inanimate objects as alive, and hallucinations Im not hallucinating. You are. The companion cube would never desert me. Desert. So long ... Cake. Ha ha Cake. A lie. The companion cube would never lie to me.
< 1226350218 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying vabot, tell Hiato so and so causes him to record everything that you told him in a log for me
< 1226350219 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: Harked and marked
< 1226350247 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finally, you can ask vabout about marx to which he will reply
< 1226350255 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot marx
< 1226350256 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From each according to his ability, to each according to his need
< 1226350267 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all folks
< 1226350269 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be going
< 1226350276 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so goodnight and cheers
< 1226350283 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1226350284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1226350783 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, currently I just have the model.bin and tokens.bin be symlinks I can easily swap.
< 1226351323 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226351384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais524
< 1226351425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, he's mutating again
< 1226351436 0 :ais524!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: <AnMaster> ais523++
< 1226351439 0 :ais524!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can blame it on him
< 1226351443 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :levelling up, even
< 1226351451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ll/l/
< 1226351452 0 :ais524!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just a simple increment...
< 1226351466 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since when do variables change name when you increment them?
< 1226351472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais524 *= ais524
< 1226351474 0 :ais524!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone put me back to normal, please, it feels weird for me not to be odd
< 1226351487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais524, ?
< 1226351503 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais524 |= 1 // should make you odd enough
< 1226351504 0 :ais524!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais274576
< 1226351508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to late, now you're even square
< 1226351514 0 :ais274576!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais274577
< 1226351532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais274577 /= 0
< 1226351535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1226351539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I do!?
< 1226351540 0 :ais274577!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :aisNAN
< 1226351544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good
< 1226351549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are floating point
< 1226351550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1226351552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points out that was no assignment
< 1226351559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1226351561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm?
< 1226351569 0 :aisNAN!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/= is an assignment...
< 1226351569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it most certainly was
< 1226351571 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting rid of nan without assignment is hard....
< 1226351574 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to exorcise some haskell
< 1226351592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, C!
< 1226351611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, indeed hm
< 1226351634 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(int*)&aisNAN *= 0
< 1226351643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais0 = ehird;
< 1226351644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZAP
< 1226351645 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope i got precedence right
< 1226351672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, that is invalid aliasing I believe, not sure though
< 1226351680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes most likely it will work
< 1226351686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think there is any warranty for it
< 1226351687 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but in practice it does work.... even though it's dirty as hell
< 1226351690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226351695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guarantee
< 1226351713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is int the right size?
< 1226351715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(guarantee and warranty is the same word in Swedish)
< 1226351720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no
< 1226351724 0 :aisNAN!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: that failed for some reason, not sure, but my padding bits seem a bit empty
< 1226351725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since aisNAN is a double
< 1226351727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fear you are only filling in part of him
< 1226351740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe even long double
< 1226351745 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he is a float it works
< 1226351750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, he isn't
< 1226351754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, also no
< 1226351757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aisNAN = ehird;
< 1226351763 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why shouldn't it work?
< 1226351771 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1226351776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, sizeof(int) can be something else than 4
< 1226351782 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the value of ehird
< 1226351783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and CHAR_BITS something else than 8
< 1226351792 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well usually it would work
< 1226351792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me
< 1226351794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, while float is always 32-bit on IEEE conforming ones
< 1226351800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean as a double
< 1226351807 0 :aisNAN!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1226351829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot:
< 1226351830 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Superstition perceiving inanimate objects as alive, and hallucinations Im not hallucinating. You are. The companion cube would never desert me. Desert. So long ... Cake. Ha ha Cake. A lie. The companion cube would never lie to me.
< 1226351835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot: tell vabot to vabot
< 1226351836 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Keep doing whatever it is you think you're doing. Killing you and giving you good advice aren't mutually exclusive. The rocket really is the way to go.
< 1226351840 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memset(&aisNAN,0,(size_t)-1);
< 1226351840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot: tell ehird to test
< 1226351842 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well, you found me. Congratulations. Was it worth it? Because despite your violent behavior, all you have managed to break so far, is my heart. Why don't we just leave it at that and call it a day?
< 1226351847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is vabot?
< 1226351848 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That thing you burned up inst important to me. Its the fluid catalytic cracking unit. It made shoes for orphans. Nice job breaking it, hero.
< 1226351854 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should fill enough!!!111
< 1226351854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, vabot?
< 1226351855 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1226351855 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: [fake-coughing] Neurotoxin... so deadly...  Choking... [laughs] Kidding!  When I said deadly neurotoxin, the deadly was in massive sarcasm quotes. I could take a bath in this stuff, put it on cereal, rub it right into my eyes, honestly, its not deadly at all. To me.  You, on the other hand, are going to find its deadliness a lot less funny.
< 1226351858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, oh ok
< 1226351859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Killing you and giving you good advice aren't mutually exclusive" <--- that's sigabble, I suppose...
< 1226351859 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so you have (CAR (CONS A B)) = ((LAMBDA (X Y) X) A B) = A
< 1226351879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226351882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is
< 1226351884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot?
< 1226351885 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: As part of a required test protocol, our previous statement suggesting that we would not monitor this chamber was an outright fabrication.
< 1226351898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hiato's
< 1226351904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does it run?
< 1226351907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what software I mean
< 1226351912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some python
< 1226351954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what can it do except talk?
< 1226351973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supposedly remember messages to hiato
< 1226352013 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just been hacked together, don't expect too much yet :D
< 1226352135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write that irc bot in erlang that I planned
< 1226352150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now I guess I could join that irc bot in bash that I have
< 1226352200 0 :envbot!n=rfc3092@unaffiliated/anmaster/bot/envbot JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226352285 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :envbot: so what do you do?
< 1226352295 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the silent type
< 1226352303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi envbot
< 1226352312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember what envbot's prefix is
< 1226352323 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1226352324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-commands
< 1226352324 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+help
< 1226352325 0 :envbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available commands: modload, modunload, modreload, modlist, rehash, dumpvars, provides, commands, join, part, quote, say, act, raw, eix, help, modinfo, learn, forget, lock factoid, unlock factoid, whatis, factoid stats, bugs search, bug, karma, roll, seen, kick, ban, convert
< 1226352335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written in bash btw
< 1226352340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had it since long
< 1226352350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no recent development on it though
< 1226352366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to lack of time
< 1226352372 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-raw what?
< 1226352377 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1226352394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- 2008-11-10 22:26:12 ERROR    jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-065-114.ewe-ip-backbone.de tried to "send a raw line" but lacks access.
< 1226352394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2008-11-10 22:26:12 RAW      NOTICE jix :Permission denied. You need the capability "sendraw" to do this action.
< 1226352398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :color coded
< 1226352402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ERROR was dark red
< 1226352417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< 2008-11-10 22:26:42 RAW      :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ERROR was dark red
< 1226352473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :envbot, source
< 1226352475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226352477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :envbot, envbot
< 1226352483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-whatis envbot
< 1226352483 0 :envbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :envbot is a modular IRC bot in bash. More info can be found at http://envbot.org
< 1226352490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226352498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, envbot
< 1226352502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-learn envbot is a modular IRC bot in bash. More info can be found at http://envbot.kuonet.org
< 1226352503 0 :envbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok AnMaster, I will remember, envbot is a modular IRC bot in bash. More info can be found at http://envbot.kuonet.org
< 1226352515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well everyone else joined their bots
< 1226352519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who let envbot in here?
< 1226352521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION calls for ops
< 1226352523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::{
< 1226352530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, everyone else joined bots
< 1226352532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why not
< 1226352537 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very botty channel these days.
< 1226352542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes
< 1226352548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: envbot is shit, though.
< 1226352551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to take these things into account.
< 1226352556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why do you think that?
< 1226352556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what kind of op are you?!
< 1226352564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I wrote it?
< 1226352574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I wrote it in bash just for fun?
< 1226352588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think writing it in befunge or so is at the same level
< 1226352597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course bash is easier
< 1226352605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, I mean level of insaneness
< 1226352623 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226352655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are you ignoring me? or just refusing to respond ;)
< 1226352672 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm writing an irc bot in awk
< 1226352678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, nice idea
< 1226352682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be easy enough
< 1226352682 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even sed?
< 1226352688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu awk got sockets
< 1226352688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1226352695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and otherwise there is netcat
< 1226352698 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to use my native awk which doesn't
< 1226352704 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed is nice.
< 1226352709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, right, that would would be easy
< 1226352723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, issuse with sed: can you generate output without any input?
< 1226352727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since client sends first
< 1226352746 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think sed would be more tricky
< 1226352767 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you can work-around that, for example by having the script read/write some fifos which you prime with an "INIT" line.
< 1226352796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ awk 'BEGIN { print "NICK foo" }'
< 1226352796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NICK foo
< 1226352813 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well awk can do that but can sed do it
< 1226352819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so
< 1226352820 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no, I don't think a sed script can do anything before the first line of input comes in.
< 1226352821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsure
< 1226352832 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, you just just need to give it a line.
< 1226352879 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't use sed a lot
< 1226352889 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always use awk except for simple search/replace
< 1226352909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, you could trivially do it in awk, the pattern matching of awk would be perfect even
< 1226352912 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done a bit of programming with sed, just because.
< 1226352912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we even have an underload bot
< 1226352922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (yes)S
< 1226352922 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226352922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Underload doesn't have input
< 1226352924 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah that's why i don't want to use it
< 1226352929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (yes)S
< 1226352929 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226352931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so?
< 1226352939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i could get around it.
< 1226352941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it couldn't respond to pings
< 1226352943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except by flooding the server
< 1226352944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is ehird ignoring me?
< 1226352947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it doesn't have time delays either
< 1226352948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it could
< 1226352950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g.
< 1226352950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how should I know?
< 1226352955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could make it automatically push or sth
< 1226352962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since he refused to answer why he thought envbot was bad
< 1226352965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1226353008 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm makebot?
< 1226353042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make is just shell
< 1226353048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226353059 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well without using any external tools except echo of course
< 1226353063 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and nc for network)
< 1226353066 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~/src/archived_prog/sed$ sed -f fib2.sed
< 1226353066 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
< 1226353066 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :002584|001597|000987|000610|000377|000233|000144|000089|000055|000034|000021|000013|000008|000005|000003|000002|000001|000001|
< 1226353066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't see how that would work
< 1226353072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(First line is input.)
< 1226353121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the answer is backwards, though...
< 1226353143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember if they have an Underload interp in sed somewhere
< 1226353153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226353158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that I saw recently
< 1226353160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes
< 1226353162 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have another version which takes a decimal N as input and gives the Nth number of the sequence as output.
< 1226353162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sedfortyh
< 1226353165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sedforth*
< 1226353171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it compiled to x86 asm
< 1226353174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1226353197 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and that one (fib.sed) does it recursively; fib2.sed is iterative.
< 1226353209 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to sleep now though, g'night.
< 1226353217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, cya
< 1226353226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, only Perl, JS and Thutu
< 1226353255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, should be easy enough to write one in C or so
< 1226353263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes
< 1226353270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird and I have an Underload to C /compiler/
< 1226353270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heck I could probably hack one up in erlang if you want
< 1226353279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, Underload is very easy to interpret
< 1226353286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1226353291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost as easy as bf I bet
< 1226353297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier in some cases
< 1226353303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not as easy as befunge
< 1226353311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge is harder, surely
< 1226353312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parsing I mean
< 1226353316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, parsing
< 1226353319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, parsing, yes
< 1226353324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to match parens
< 1226353327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226353359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :symbolic underload
< 1226353362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice name
< 1226353369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some time, I'm going to finish off Underlambda, which I was actually thinking about last night
< 1226353378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like Underload but fixed and high-level (i.e. more commands)
< 1226353378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, underlambda?
< 1226353388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed? how?
< 1226353390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :designed to be easy to write in, easy to compile into, easy to compile from, easy to interpret
< 1226353404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what makes it an eso lang?
< 1226353407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed: with input, correct S so it doesn't block compilation into concatenative and functional langs
< 1226353423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: would you call Underload an esolang? If so, why?
< 1226353432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, almost tarpit
< 1226353435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang does not necessarily imply difficult to use
< 1226353438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and strange syntax
< 1226353441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Lisp is a tarpit
< 1226353444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO
< 1226353447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes
< 1226353451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also design goal:
< 1226353454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't esoteric
< 1226353456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that matters
< 1226353471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Underlambda is designed to be an intermediate lang for compilations
< 1226353484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a working Unlambda -> Underlambda compiler once, but deleted it by mistake
< 1226353488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should reconstruct it some time
< 1226353506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm someone should make a high level, usable esolang
< 1226353536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like say, Haskell or C usability and usefulness, yet an esolang
< 1226353547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deltaplex?
< 1226353550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extensive standard libraries
< 1226353554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, *looks*
< 1226353578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, INTERCAL would be almost, it just needs a string library and more practical expression syntax
< 1226353607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: intracal (should be written all lowercase)
< 1226353650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, Funge-98 is getting pretty high level and libraryy atm
< 1226353661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but still hard to code in
< 1226353666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(libraryy = not real word, library + -y, meaning "full of libraries")
< 1226353673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is Funge really that hard to code in?
< 1226353678 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :librarious
< 1226353692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well no, but it is write-only
< 1226353696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more so than basic
< 1226353722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but much less so than Unlambda
< 1226353727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true
< 1226353730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually I find Funge one of the easier esolangs to read
< 1226353743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers
< 1226353746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading an unknown Funge program is slightly easier than reading an unknown INTERCAL program IMO
< 1226353759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I was just about to say the reverse
< 1226353765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to know how I read programs to understand why, though
< 1226353769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess I only seen commented examples
< 1226353770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to read programs in the order they run
< 1226353774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1226353776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226353776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Funge, that's relatively obvious
< 1226353781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1226353785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one command runs, then the next, then the next
< 1226353794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most langs have expression syntaxes that make it much harder to read
< 1226353795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I can't maintain a stack with more than 4 or 5 items in my head
< 1226353812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how many more elements than 4 or 5 are typically relevant at once, though?
< 1226353816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I prefer structured languages
< 1226353834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well depends, once you pop them you suddenly need more
< 1226353839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1226353843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to remember the previous ones
< 1226353865 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but they're in a different scope
< 1226353884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, even so
< 1226353899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also it hard to know where a scope begins or ends
< 1226353905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, now RUBE is easy to read
< 1226353908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really really easy
< 1226353914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say easier than befunge
< 1226353919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by far
< 1226353937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1226353938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you track its flow control?
< 1226353938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even convinced it's TC
< 1226353961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wasn't it proven TC?
< 1226353970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also yes I can do that
< 1226353971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RUBE? I don't think so
< 1226353972 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm a cellular automaton irc bot....
< 1226353976 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be... crazy
< 1226353979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RedGreen is, but only because it embeds the Game of Life
< 1226353979 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cool
< 1226353980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err yes I think so
< 1226353991 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :letting letters walk over the screen ^^
< 1226353991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"RUBE is Turing complete, but only if you give it an unbounded playing field."
< 1226353994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/RUBE
< 1226354000 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Attempting to write anything even approaching a single "Turing-power" in this language is an utter nightmare."
< 1226354009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you have to fill the playfield with?
< 1226354016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably something as convoluted as the 2,3 pattern
< 1226354019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you can have generators after all
< 1226354037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I suppose so
< 1226354058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::       replicator              rev     rev     yes     no
< 1226354058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;       special replicator      rev     rev     yes     no
< 1226354067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc you place an identical block just above
< 1226354205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<jayCampbell> "Attempting to write anything even approaching a single "Turing-power" in this language is an utter nightmare." <-- from where is that quote?
< 1226354254 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have an idea for another esolang (not really underload based anymore) that'll implement soon and write an irc bot in i think
< 1226354257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell, also what is turing power?
< 1226354258 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1226354320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what are the underload-dei transformations again?
< 1226354339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you expect me to remember off the top of my head after all this time?
< 1226354349 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that came from catseye
< 1226354350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't save them anywhere
< 1226354350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep :D
< 1226354351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check logs
< 1226354382 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/projects/rube/doc/rube.html
< 1226354476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell, well if you remove the 80x25 restriction...
< 1226354599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also WireWorld
< 1226354795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, i inspired zzo38 to write a browser.
< 1226354806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a shit one, albeit.
< 1226354815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen zzo38 around in ages...
< 1226354826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he never goes anywhere but his own site, it seems.
< 1226354836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just read the posts there for laughs, because he's completely bonkers
< 1226354837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226354869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link again?
< 1226354920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/
< 1226354925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, Chronojournal.
< 1226354928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then click LAST.
< 1226354945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with Chronojournal...
< 1226354968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for being hideously hard to use and ugly and bloated and crazy and yeah
< 1226354992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1226354998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his post of his browser announcement is a few posts back
< 1226355002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one post back
< 1226355003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my comment linking to conkeror is one post before.
< 1226355025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/chrono/zzo38/1216426880 This is pretty much my favourite post of his.
< 1226355100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although
< 1226355103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/chrono/zzo38/1203755544 possibly tops it
< 1226355110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[# Power to commit suicide: I don't need that because it is better to live than to die. If I wanted to commit suicide anyways I can do it in other ways other than just this, anyways. ]]
< 1226355123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[# Power to be the prime minister: I wouldn't know how to be prime minister. I would probably make everything wrong, even though I have a lot of good ideas. ]]
< 1226355348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, power to avoid silly blog?
< 1226355349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he forgot that
< 1226356355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226359953 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226360037 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1226361417 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1226364088 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | cool
< 1226366290 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226367745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226368790 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226370562 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
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< 1226372027 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-44-23.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226372970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1226373646 0 :CakeProphet!n=bread@h136.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226373664 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright.... so... I'm learning Haskell
< 1226373666 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1226373679 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would anyone like to explain monads for me?
< 1226373745 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
< 1226373893 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course.
< 1226373914 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand type constructors?
< 1226373925 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...possibly.
< 1226373940 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you can explain them to me.
< 1226374055 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...
< 1226374066 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand the syntax
< 1226374165 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's likely you'll want to understand them better than that.
< 1226374171 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Animal = Animal genus species
< 1226374193 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Genus *Species
< 1226374195 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1226374208 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good example, but unfortunately, it contains no type constructors.
< 1226374262 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh
< 1226374469 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what, pray tell, is a type constructor?
< 1226374513 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly knew'er
< 1226374554 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226374591 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226374595 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226374714 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226374730 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226374992 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider this: data Maybe a = Just a | Nothing
< 1226375000 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, do you know what all that does?
< 1226375110 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think my idiom failed.
< 1226375115 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, do you know what-all that does?
< 1226375210 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226375251 0 :ab5tract!n=ab5tract@pool-71-246-5-13.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226375267 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226375350 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, find out, I guess. In there, "Maybe" is a type constructor. A monad is a certain sort of type constructor.
< 1226375559 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1226375665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226375935 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'll be going to bed now. Good night, everyone.
< 1226376098 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226377462 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226377469 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
< 1226377471 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was I saying
< 1226377479 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Owait, Cakeprophet is gone
< 1226378222 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226379137 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226379215 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226379577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
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< 1226380392 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226380459 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1226380505 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226380605 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1226380611 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226382971 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226383481 0 :warrie_!n=Peggy@c-24-11-80-13.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226383837 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226383940 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-102.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226384101 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1226384101 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1226384101 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1226384101 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1226384101 0 :envbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1226384101 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1226384101 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1226384363 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226384973 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226385147 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like Freenode is having some netsplit problems
< 1226385688 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | only --help and --version
< 1226387732 0 :jix!n=jix@paed-gw.schule.bremen.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226390399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1226390400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226391944 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1226392028 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CommandQ"
< 1226393442 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226393456 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226393891 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226394607 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: How goes your running?
< 1226394703 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh i actually just spelt during the night :|
< 1226394707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*slept
< 1226394710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226394723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is spelling or sleeping a better way to spend your time overnight, I wonder?
< 1226394723 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep-spelling.
< 1226394743 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelling is trivial, so i'd say better just rest.
< 1226394801 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"*snore* e-s-o-t-e-r-i-c, esoteric *snore*"
< 1226394843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, good morning oklopol, fizzie
< 1226394899 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21.4 meters is my record for today now
< 1226394903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and morning.
< 1226394925 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mornung.
< 1226394940 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've already attended a lecture and come home, though, so i consider this afternoon.
< 1226394983 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I'd classify this as fi:aamupäivä (fi:aamu = en:morning, fi:päivä = en:day), which is something between morning and midday; is there a proper word for it?
< 1226394999 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not afternoon if it's not after noon.
< 1226395010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in English, I don't think, but there should be a word for that
< 1226395202 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious omission; Wikipedia's "parts of a day" template has dawn/dusk, sunrise/sunset, morning/evening pairs and noon + afternoon; there really should be a "prenoon" or something.
< 1226395273 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot, the tribe as spoken, die
< 1226395273 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabot die
< 1226395274 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugger
< 1226395276 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabotdi
< 1226395280 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vabotdie
< 1226395422 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many-sided is a vabot die?
< 1226395585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's the quit command, I think, not a randomizer
< 1226395626 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw.
< 1226396259 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: morning and evening are opposites?
< 1226396280 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: people treat morning as lasting 10+ hours and evening as 1.5 if you're lucky
< 1226396325 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around here morning is not very long, definitely not longer than evening.
< 1226396368 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's because we actually have a pre-noon, post-morning word.
< 1226396397 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"day"?
< 1226396409 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "day" in English
< 1226396425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :day covers the afternoon more than the morning in English, or just both
< 1226396427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or indeed an entire 24-hour period
< 1226396429 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, day and night just divide a 24 hour span into halves
< 1226396442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :day is ambiguous in English, it has lots of meanings
< 1226396458 0 :vabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226396466 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't fit "day" in between the spans we're talking about at any rate
< 1226396489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"late morning" would probably work
< 1226396505 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :late describes my mornings well
< 1226396972 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226396983 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, I should test things before trying them out with the live fungot.
< 1226396994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you trying to do?
< 1226397007 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let you know when I get it done. :p
< 1226397038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes it when people debug their bots here :D
< 1226397082 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226397095 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's nothing new yet, I just restarted it.)
< 1226397717 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-85-133.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226397792 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1226397800 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
< 1226397862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Mony
< 1226397882 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1226397982 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226399043 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^reload
< 1226399044 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reloaded.
< 1226399045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1226399045 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc lovecraft pa speeches ss wp
< 1226399049 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl
< 1226399049 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl
< 1226399052 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How do you feel?
< 1226399055 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, i must say firstly that we must draw our own conclusions without being aware of or not mentioning our weaknesses. i will propose, on the other hand, think it regrettable that not more time is devoted to the participation of non-governmental organisations providing humanitarian aid and we take this debate to establish compensatory measures to address the weaknesses in the fifth environmental action programm
< 1226399090 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, that's better.
< 1226399105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me test it too
< 1226399107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ic
< 1226399107 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ic
< 1226399110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot!
< 1226399110 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: e275 don't byte off more than 2 from the `while' and `write in' or `next from' thread will not be an infinite loop; so don't allow that to happen); at present, the input. there is also specified in the same variable twice in the expression needs to be evaluated in order for the full details of the intercal program).
< 1226399129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to work
< 1226399156 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. Although I'm not sure what that one style is.
< 1226399158 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss
< 1226399158 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ss
< 1226399162 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how do you speak now?
< 1226399164 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: leon. how many women saw this child of his? aron. what, will not conclude their plotted tragedie. beaufords red sparkling eyes blab his heart's malice, and do your best to make his entrance more sweet, and sowre, as husbands have. what is your graces pleasure? buck. euen that ( i hope) which pleaseth god aboue, and the poore state esteeme him as a carkasse fit for hounds: and let mee feele your pulse
< 1226399171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shakespeare, presumably
< 1226399174 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right.
< 1226399186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1226399186 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style; ^bool
< 1226399209 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def help ul (^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool)S
< 1226399209 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1226399214 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's closer.
< 1226399226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I never realise that the help wasn't hardcoded...
< 1226399230 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*realised
< 1226399237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show help
< 1226399238 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool)S
< 1226399239 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be, but I changed it like that for easier modification.
< 1226399241 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save
< 1226399242 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1226399259 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1226399303 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show
< 1226399303 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help
< 1226399305 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show ul
< 1226399305 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This command is now a built-in thing.
< 1226399322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange reply...
< 1226399328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show show
< 1226399333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show source
< 1226399334 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt)S
< 1226399348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show wc
< 1226399348 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]
< 1226399359 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That 'ul' string is just defined "as an underload program" (since those are stored and displayed as simple strings).
< 1226399369 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not actually executable because the ^ul builtin is handled first.
< 1226399372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, and ok
< 1226399398 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what has happened to wc; it used to be the brainfuck word-count program.
< 1226399410 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1226399410 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt
< 1226399419 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, should update that one.
< 1226399516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why do you load TOYS?
< 1226399554 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'S' command from TOYS is used to clear the funge-space on ^reload.
< 1226399564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1226399576 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the spaces are transparent in 'i' when it loads the changed copy.
< 1226399583 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226399593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know why the clearing was needed, just didn't realise TOYS did that
< 1226399608 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "fill area with value" command in there.
< 1226399652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, do you load fingerprints one at a time as you need them
< 1226399705 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep FING, STRN, SOCK and SCKE loaded all the times, but the others I load when I need them.
< 1226399718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you do out of order ) ( trickery to get lots of commands you use at the top of fingerprint stacks simultaneously?
< 1226399737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and you use FING in order to manipulate the fingerprint stacks
< 1226399752 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly just use FING to do some permanent renames so that the commands I use often are always available.
< 1226399768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what I guessed you'd have done with it
< 1226399784 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I tend to rename G/P from STRN to K/B whenever I need to use FILE; that one is loaded by the state-file loading, random babbling, and maybe something else too.
< 1226399802 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ^save.
< 1226399846 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also keep REXP (if it is supported; it's optional) loaded all the time for the ignore function.
< 1226399888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does REXP allow recursive regexen?
< 1226399919 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. Although it's not exactly well-specified what dialog of regexps it uses.
< 1226399928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dialect?
< 1226399933 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Heh.
< 1226399962 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "API" (flags and such) is pretty much taken from the POSIX regcomp, so that's what cfunge at least uses.
< 1226400054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a PCRE fingerprint?
< 1226400057 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also supports only a single compiled regex (per-IP in RC/Funge-98, globally in cfunge, I think); thankfully I only use one (the ignore expression), otherwise I'd have to be compiling it all the time.
< 1226400072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's just PERL.
< 1226400079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funge needs a better regex fingerprint, really
< 1226400093 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCRE would be quite suitable since it already has a fingerprint-friendly name.
< 1226400106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and it's better regexen too
< 1226400252 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style some_non_existent_thing
< 1226400252 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found.
< 1226400257 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, that thing also worked.
< 1226400278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1226400279 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt
< 1226400290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ../fungot.b98.txt
< 1226400290 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found.
< 1226400300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, worth a try I suppose...
< 1226400309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ../../fungot.b98.txt
< 1226400310 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found.
< 1226400314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1226400314 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc lovecraft pa speeches ss wp
< 1226400314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Actually it just matches against that explicit list I gave it.
< 1226400322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessed
< 1226400335 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual files are model.bin.<style> and tokens.bin.<style>, anyway.
< 1226400419 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1226400518 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226402757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1226402766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1226402767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is wrong with POSIX extended regex?
< 1226402772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1226402885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's REXP I'm complaining about: it only supports one compiled regex at a time
< 1226402913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes either globally or per ip
< 1226402917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on which interpreter
< 1226402926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it was underspecced as usual
< 1226402933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how Mike Riley is
< 1226402940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's wrong with POSIX extended is that they can't be recursive
< 1226402945 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1226402954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm how does a recursive regex look?
< 1226402970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember ever using, nor seeing, that
< 1226403006 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCRE has a custom syntax for it; I think Perl does it yet differently.
< 1226403020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, got an example in PCRE?
< 1226403045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's (?R) as the custom syntax
< 1226403049 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use (?R) to match the regex recursively, yes.
< 1226403054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well example of how it is used
< 1226403059 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\( ( (?>[^()]+) | (?R) )* \)
< 1226403062 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For nested parentheses.
< 1226403063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I can't really picture what a recursive regex does
< 1226403071 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Straight from the manual.
< 1226403079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Perl has that too but only very recent versions, it had a different syntax earlier
< 1226403083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does that mean "one or more same as the parathesis this is in"?
< 1226403100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what?
< 1226403111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember what ?> does
< 1226403124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: (?R) is a copy of the entire regex it's in
< 1226403138 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It matches anything with valid ()s.
< 1226403150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226403157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the entire regex hm
< 1226403165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is an issue kind of
< 1226403168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also syntaxes to match bits of it
< 1226403180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or recurse bits of it, anyway
< 1226403192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as elegant as Cyclexa's recursion syntax IMO, but they have to start somewhere I guess...
< 1226403198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226403207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also PERL is truly slow and probably buggy
< 1226403210 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That example works by matching the opening (, then an arbitrary amount of subsequences that either contain no ()s or a correctly ()ied string, and finally the closing ).
< 1226403219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the way it is implemented for stuff not running in perl
< 1226403226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as in ccbi or cfunge
< 1226403239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lot of messy forking and messing with file descriptors
< 1226403261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the syntaxes to match parts of it?
< 1226403273 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: (?N) recurses to the Nth parenthesized submatch.
< 1226403284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well that's just ugly
< 1226403284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226403292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's $N in Cyclexa
< 1226403293 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: And (?P>name) recurses to (?P<name> ... ) group.
< 1226403298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with $0 to match the whole thing
< 1226403302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only "?" bits in PCRE I tend to use are
< 1226403335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr lag...
< 1226403339 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would've done more like "wef.*{rec:(a+[csa](?rec)rgeeaa)}gerhr", and rec would be the recursion
< 1226403345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if I'm disconnected or just lagging
< 1226403348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and recurse up to {rec:...}
< 1226403355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something similarr.
< 1226403359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226403363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah better now
< 1226403372 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie seems to have described something liek that.
< 1226403383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yess
< 1226403384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's possible in PCRE but even uglier, wef.*(?P<rec>(a+[csa](?P>rec)rgeeaa))gerhr
< 1226403384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the regex extensions tend to start with "(?" since that makes no sense in a traditional regex.
< 1226403389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: (?!) (?=) (?<=) (?<!)
< 1226403398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is lookahead/behing
< 1226403402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :behind*
< 1226403411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and I managed to crash PCRE with that a few times
< 1226403422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember the regex I used
< 1226403425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was fairly complex
< 1226403432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like keywords, and "P" seems like a keyword to me.
< 1226403432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with both lookbehind and lookahead
< 1226403435 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a letter.
< 1226403494 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise, i like that
< 1226403507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to these issues with pcre I'm unlikely to actually implement any PCRE fingerprint, unless someone convince me that PCRE actually isn't buggy any more
< 1226403507 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conceptually; perhaps only because that's what i would've done.
< 1226403514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: would you consider a to be a keyword in Underload?
< 1226403564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not really
< 1226403572 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ask me why, i don't even know why i dislike keywords.
< 1226403594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underlambda is going to have most of the printable characters in ASCII as keywords
< 1226403594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, commands
< 1226403626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, have you had similar issues with PCRE too?
< 1226403637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't actually tried to use it
< 1226403639 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The (?P<name>...) naming is reasonably common; you can use them in Python regexps, and then refer to them as .group('name') after matching. Perl supports it too for compatibility reasons, although it also supports (?<name>...) and (?'name'...).
< 1226403640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've read the docs
< 1226403645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pcregrep
< 1226403647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :segfault
< 1226403653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've used pcregrep
< 1226403663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the segfault's a bug in the grep program not PCRE though?
< 1226403677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, maybe, but changing a few letters in the regex made it work
< 1226403688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie removing some part of a lookbehind iirc
< 1226403697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must have been about a year ago at least
< 1226403702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if I still got it around
< 1226403710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I would on archived irc logs on cd
< 1226403716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I talked about it on irc I remember
< 1226403719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some channel
< 1226404120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/mnt/cdrom/2007-01-24/FreeNode-#freenode-social.log.gz:Dec 07 19:22:37 <AnMaster>       pcregrep '(?<!raw)output\("(`?\\\$|`.|%s|[^a-zA-Z\\])*"' *.php <-- I wonder why that regexp crash pcregrep? it isn't that complicated really
< 1226404122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it
< 1226404124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^
< 1226404150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it still does? Does it matter what you pipe into the expression?
< 1226404166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I didn't pipe anything see the *.php
< 1226404173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that php program: no longer have it
< 1226404175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I missed that
< 1226404176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what program even
< 1226404177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ok
< 1226404180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a faint memory
< 1226404188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some php based web game I was testing
< 1226404218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also iirc it only crashed on 64-bit
< 1226404220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 32-bit
< 1226404582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, doesn't crash on an empty input file now, could depend on input as you said
< 1226404583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea
< 1226404597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm going for a while
< 1226404612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya
< 1226404790 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226405460 0 :CakeProphet!n=bread@h238.16.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226405981 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226407138 0 :AquaLoqua!n=anonym@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226407288 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | might work without installing SDL?
< 1226407869 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Dana"
< 1226407954 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226408064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226408073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got an idea for a different way to represent Lisp
< 1226408085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is truly awful and yet quite cool
< 1226408096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone is interested?
< 1226408124 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do tell
< 1226408134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a directory structure on the file system
< 1226408146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all Lisp is just a tree written using S-Expressions
< 1226408152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use xml or whatever *shudder*
< 1226408164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but using the file system should be quite interesting
< 1226408229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example consider:
< 1226408230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/define
< 1226408230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  x
< 1226408230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  lambda/
< 1226408230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    +/
< 1226408230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      1
< 1226408232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      2
< 1226408237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where x 1 and 2 are empty files
< 1226408242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other ones are directories
< 1226408252 0 :AquaLoqua!n=anonym@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226408265 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ordering of files in a directory is a bit uncertain, though.
< 1226408268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait would need some way to represent the first empty () of lambda
< 1226408273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh true :/
< 1226408290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why I got this idea: editing qmail configs
< 1226408320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok empty list could be a file called NIL
< 1226408324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ordering hm...
< 1226408335 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!)(o)(t)(o)(p)(b)(t)~**~*~**~*S
< 1226408335 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226408336 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | but
< 1226408336 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the set theory thing.
< 1226408342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, hm?
< 1226408361 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<x,y> = { x, {y} }
< 1226408380 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or <x,y> = { {x}, {x, y} }; I think that's even more common maybe.
< 1226408385 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something equivalent
< 1226408388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1226408393 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's a lot of ways to do it
< 1226408399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lack that knowledge I fear
< 1226408409 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All that matters is that the first and second can be differentied
< 1226408416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, yep
< 1226408419 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1226408420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I got an idea
< 1226408429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all parameters are named parameters
< 1226408438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use extended file attributes for those names
< 1226408448 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An engineer's solution would've been to prefix an index number there.
< 1226408466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes but that is so, um, boring
< 1226408489 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Engineers use real languages, too
< 1226408506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, yeah they don't use the file system for a language indeed
< 1226408528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it should be easy to make a python-style LISP
< 1226408531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean no ()
< 1226408534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use indention
< 1226408545 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, engineers are evil, according to my professors
< 1226408552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define
< 1226408552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : x
< 1226408552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambda
< 1226408552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  NIL
< 1226408552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  +
< 1226408555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   1
< 1226408557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   2
< 1226408559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that
< 1226408561 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's at least one SRFI for an indentation-sensitive Scheme syntax.
< 1226408562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a horrible idea
< 1226408567 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python doesn't use that much indentation
< 1226408568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ew
< 1226408572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, true
< 1226408580 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-49/srfi-49.html
< 1226408582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I hate indention sensitive languages
< 1226408590 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm okay with it
< 1226408595 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is pretty cool
< 1226408609 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it better than curly brackers and ; everywhere
< 1226408660 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that looks nice
< 1226408670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what one?
< 1226408676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fizzie linked.
< 1226408691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the problem is
< 1226408698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even simple structures get huge
< 1226408699 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, it's just syntax; after some small period of adjustation it's not like you really have to pay any attention to {};s -- or in Scheme's case, the ()s.
< 1226408712 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i'm not saying it's a good thing. it just looks nice.
< 1226408715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the third way
< 1226408717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. a 3 line scheme thing becomes 10 lines
< 1226408718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,;.
< 1226408719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: heh :)
< 1226408720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed
< 1226408724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also think nopol looks nice.
< 1226408727 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226408742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it did until you added : and
< 1226408742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1226408747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i preferred the >< fuckery
< 1226408760 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226408779 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find even the factorial a bit hard to read. and that's a trivial func
< 1226408781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fucknorrisfacts.com/
< 1226408786 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: . and : are awesome.
< 1226408794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: < and > are awesomer
< 1226408809 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does nopol look like? There's a spec?
< 1226408816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Like this:
< 1226408824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<:.>:.:::<.:>
< 1226408828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has <regular lists>
< 1226408830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and >neglists<
< 1226408838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neglists are nested to a negative depth
< 1226408848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and . and :... I don't know what they do but i twas awesomer when it was just > and <
< 1226408853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is no spec, its an oklopol language
< 1226408867 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So oklopol is implemented with it?
< 1226408876 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reference implementation
< 1226408884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah
< 1226408887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which compiles me, yes.
< 1226408892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oklo OS has the low level language as nopol
< 1226408895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oklotalk is built on it
< 1226408902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/nopol.txt this is pretty much all there is online.
< 1226408904 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1226408924 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that maps a function over a list.
< 1226408943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, where is the function?
< 1226408949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: seriously, replace the : and . with <>s
< 1226408951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg
< 1226408953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant idea:
< 1226408957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have <nested> and >nested<
< 1226408959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so make : and . the badly nested ones
< 1226408960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically list rewriting with lambdas and negative lists, which means you can map a lambda to the elements of a list
< 1226408961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> and << or something
< 1226408964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it oklopol
< 1226408966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be amazing
< 1226408974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, so what exactly does : and . do?
< 1226408980 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they are for naming.
< 1226408988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well how do they work?
< 1226408989 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wait a sec.
< 1226408990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love seeing AnMaster randomly pinged.
< 1226408992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's zen.
< 1226409015 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naming plus err... <. and <: are special
< 1226409034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it oklopol
< 1226409039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well that doesn't make it possible to understand what exactly do they?
< 1226409044 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<.." means "don't evaluate once", i guess it's kinda like `d in unlambda
< 1226409046 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*d
< 1226409049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226409061 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<. is lambda i think, and <: calls it.
< 1226409083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, nice. and the "freestanding" : and .?
< 1226409085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdas are basically tree rewriting plus adding delays so static scoping works.
< 1226409094 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how that works, but somehow it does.
< 1226409099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226409119 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can try reading the implementation, but, well, you can't.
< 1226409132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol:
< 1226409136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's is written in a very okloesque way.
< 1226409140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rewrote your example with just < and >
< 1226409141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: = <<
< 1226409143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. = >>
< 1226409143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< << < >> < << << > << << << > < << << >>> > < << << > < << << > < << << << << ><>
< 1226409153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be prettier with neglists ofc
< 1226409155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there are no freestanding ones, they are always bundled with a <
< 1226409161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ah ok
< 1226409169 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like a C++ template right there.
< 1226409171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, so the <::> means?
< 1226409172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: isn't that wonderful
< 1226409177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed
< 1226409187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but... "." and ":" are my favorite characters in the whole ascii :|
< 1226409196 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are zen.
< 1226409200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I think your : and . are nicer
< 1226409214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: <::> is just a name
< 1226409220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ah ok
< 1226409225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the object "::"
< 1226409235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226409270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, this language sounds rather close to unlambda?
< 1226409272 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just by adding characters it would become pretty much just basic LC assuming you don't have <.. in the actual source but let the interpreter supply them as lambdas get evaluated.
< 1226409279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of underload too
< 1226409286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it has pattern matching and all that
< 1226409289 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's closer to scheme
< 1226409293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226409299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, is it TC?
< 1226409304 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1226409309 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've implemented ski in it
< 1226409312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226409312 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"implemented"
< 1226409326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, any IO?
< 1226409328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly a feat in a functional language.
< 1226409330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, none
< 1226409342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's based on the nopular paradigm
< 1226409345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program does nothing.
< 1226409362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that "ski"? can't find it on the esolang wiki
< 1226409372 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S, K and I combinators, I guess.
< 1226409377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1226409379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And at least it does nothing in an interesting way.
< 1226409397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's the point
< 1226409573 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional doesn't mean it's easy to do SKI :o
< 1226409604 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't?
< 1226409613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you just make the combinators
< 1226409615 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no parsing.
< 1226409710 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you go about it with � recursive functions?
< 1226409819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't :||||
< 1226409982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1226409997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1226410014 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit's so TC dude
< 1226410015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226410020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia says "In fact, in computability theory it is shown that the μ-recursive functions are precisely the functions that can be computed by Turing machines."
< 1226410024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1226410030 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the orignal TCness
< 1226410042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if SKI is TC then it should be able to do those?
< 1226410047 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, unless you count combinators and the analytical engine
< 1226410052 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... Sanskrit?
< 1226410060 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster : Yeah, but easily?
< 1226410074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, ok fair point
< 1226410118 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :� recursive functions probably have the worst way of keeping track of the program
< 1226410127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1226410149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read more than the intro in the wikipedia article yet
< 1226410150 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can do it with many ways, but there's one that works for arbitrarily large numbers
< 1226410165 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G�del used motherfucking G�delisation :o
< 1226410173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1226410209 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You turn the sequence of number <a,b,c,d,...> into 2^a * 3^b * 5^c * 7^d * ... * p^z
< 1226410213 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where p is a prime number
< 1226410226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1226410258 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of G�del's paper is a way to actually use that piece of shit with �-recursive functions.
< 1226410280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, does that encoding offer unique values for every sequence?
< 1226410285 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't have Lisp back then, to just say "fuck it, let's just use a pairing function"
< 1226410287 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1226410295 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because a number has just one prime decomposition
< 1226410299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah true
< 1226410306 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: "can" is such an ambiguous word.
< 1226410317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes makes sense. but is kind of hard to use
< 1226410334 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1226410350 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my keyboard turned QWERTY for no reason
< 1226410352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is not whether you have a pairing function in the language
< 1226410362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's whether you can implement it from withing the language, somehow.
< 1226410373 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you can
< 1226410379 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how easily
< 1226410386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1226410400 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you create some kind of a syntactic aid for yourself from within the language.
< 1226410405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, dvorak user?
< 1226410415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: what's your keyboard normally, AVERTY?
< 1226410416 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AZERTY AnMaster
< 1226410418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah French
< 1226410421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally you can encode and decode any pair in a tc language, esoness comes from whether that's verbose to do
< 1226410424 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1226410431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AVERTY?
< 1226410445 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a SICP example (I think) which does lists of integers by using 2^a * 3^b to represent the (a, b) pair.
< 1226410445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: is AZERTY designed to be difficult to type with in French, like QWERTY is difficult to type with in English?
< 1226410448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: typo
< 1226410452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does that mean "something that is likely to avert"? ;P
< 1226410467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could do, but that wouldn't make a whole lot of sense
< 1226410476 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ll restart mIRC
< 1226410488 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1226410525 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226410527 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thar
< 1226410554 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, there's an easier way to do all those functions, though still not that easy.
< 1226410561 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to define logical functions.
< 1226410563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o ö o: .o. .n. .
< 1226410580 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, or, not, and "there exist an x inferior to n such that"
< 1226410580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm I remember there is one using lambdas for it
< 1226410593 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "the smallest x inferior to n such that"
< 1226410602 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lambda one is a very common one.
< 1226410618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, don't remember one based on primes, but I could have forgot it
< 1226410625 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might've been elsewhere.
< 1226410644 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It generates rather large numbers fast, though.
< 1226410657 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Godel number generator?
< 1226410659 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made one if you want :o
< 1226410678 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the (a, b) = 2^a*3^b representation for lists of integers.
< 1226410681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also how would you get a and b back out of that?
< 1226410700 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modulo 3 and logarithm base 2 for a.
< 1226410701 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/godel.scm
< 1226410706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah right
< 1226410709 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, not modulo three. :p
< 1226410710 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie : That's what a godel number is
< 1226410712 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway.
< 1226410724 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just more general
< 1226410742 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can input a list directly instead of pairs
< 1226410762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, "server didn't respond"?
< 1226410772 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, this was just in an example for nonstandard ways of doing cons cells.
< 1226410773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm now it works
< 1226410776 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lies!
< 1226410778 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did!
< 1226410783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, second time
< 1226410851 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now all I need to do is my � language.
< 1226410888 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the fixed number of arguments in Scheme is annoying to do it
< 1226410899 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, in that scheme (1 2 3) = (1 . (2 . (3 . 0))) = 2^1*3^(2^2*3^(2^3*1)), which is already 7.4*10^12521.
< 1226410902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme has variable arguments Slereah_
< 1226410906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (func . args)
< 1226410919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well those gödel  numbers seems like an easy way to make any language with a finite number of bignums pass the "infinite storage" part of tc-ness
< 1226410941 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird : Not what I mean
< 1226410959 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like a function where you could do (f a b c) or (f a b c d) or (f a)
< 1226410968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226410971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (func . args)
< 1226410974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :args is a list of all arguments
< 1226410978 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1226410978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, you can do that yes
< 1226410983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note fancy dot
< 1226410992 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why thank you sir.
< 1226410996 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do that.
< 1226411011 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is args actually args?
< 1226411015 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a placeholder?
< 1226411018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: yes
< 1226411023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (func first-arg . rest-of-args)
< 1226411024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also works
< 1226411028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to mandate at least one arg
< 1226411031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Also
< 1226411034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a list
< 1226411039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and want to call a func with those args
< 1226411041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apply func args)
< 1226411073 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also (lambda x ...) if you want a lambda with variable arity; x will be the list of arguments.
< 1226411088 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I call the arguments if they're not explicitely named though?
< 1226411130 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they have a number or something?
< 1226411134 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a list.
< 1226411139 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use list-ref to it.
< 1226411146 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or car and cdr.)
< 1226411147 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1226411165 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try!
< 1226411170 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be prettier with a pattern-matching thing, but those are not (R5RS, anyway) standard. Still, everyone has at least one.
< 1226411224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can never remember which is which if car and cdr
< 1226411225 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (godel-string "butt")
< 1226411225 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2729100455414265779826822625632063613442385101061005941186642454782817725061083467320450990529105718175359388890671487844122981707245012734797343852787385177612304687500000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
< 1226411234 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, still works. Let's add the �'s!
< 1226411235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523
< 1226411264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, more space efficient to use ascii encoding though ;)
< 1226411314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a in Underload is named after car, convolutedly, to be precise it's the opposite of car
< 1226411319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creates a list whose first element is its argument
< 1226411330 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster : � recursive functions cannot handle strings!
< 1226411331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1226411337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, true
< 1226411338 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is number!
< 1226411339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would make a lot more sense if A and D were in the lang too, but those are Underlambda/Overload, not Underload
< 1226411347 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I created Limp.
< 1226411357 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To try the best of both world.
< 1226411369 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm still not sure how I'm going to do the pi calculus part
< 1226411378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that doesn't really answer the question
< 1226411394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :car gives you the first element
< 1226411395 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: the HtDP book, and I think some PLT dialect, uses and prefers the names "first" and "rest" for "car" and "cdr".
< 1226411397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdr gives you the other elements
< 1226411398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226411410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what does the words stand for now again?
< 1226411419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean head or tail would make more sense to me at least
< 1226411420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :content of address register and content of decrement register
< 1226411429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's implementation details of a decades-old Lisp implementation
< 1226411432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226411441 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I like how they've kept that part.
< 1226411442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just everything copied the names from it for some unknown stupid historical reason
< 1226411447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now we're stuck with them
< 1226411460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and the word cons?
< 1226411466 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's stupid, but it's more funny-stupid than painful-stupid.
< 1226411467 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226411479 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:|
< 1226411480 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That CONStructs things; it's at least easy to remember.
< 1226411491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226411508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok car and cdr are in dictionary order
< 1226411509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk
< 1226411548 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"adress" and "decrement"
< 1226411550 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How lame
< 1226411626 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And actually it seems to be "Contents of the Address/Decrement part of Register number #", not some specific address/decrement registers.
< 1226411654 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they refer to 15-bit parts of the 36-bit word.
< 1226411690 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the rest is the adress of the pair!
< 1226411771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other 6 bits seem to have been a 3-bit "prefix part" and "tag part" and corresponding CPR/CTR instructions for those.
< 1226411794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what would you suggest
< 1226411806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what? car and hdr?
< 1226411807 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it seems that first/rest names were already in use in 1959 or so; they haven't really caught on.
< 1226411811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :head and tail is what I'm used to
< 1226411818 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226411825 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use < and >
< 1226411834 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BROINFOCK POWOR
< 1226411860 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia lists the c[ad]+r compositions as an "advantage" of those names. That's a bit... arguable.
< 1226411943 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, you could easily create compositions out of first/rest, too. caddr = frrest, cdaar = rffirst, and so on. Very sensible.
< 1226411993 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frrrrrrest!
< 1226411999 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks pretty ugly
< 1226412010 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(set-frrrrrest! x 'foo)
< 1226412043 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (p n . args)
< 1226412043 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (define (pint n2 . args)
< 1226412043 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    (if (= 1 n2) (car args)
< 1226412043 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        (pint (- n2 1) (cdr args))))
< 1226412043 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (pint n args)
< 1226412043 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  )
< 1226412051 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with this projection function?
< 1226412089 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want something like (apply pint (cons n args)) if you want to just pass those arguments on.
< 1226412104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or (define (pint n2 args) ... )
< 1226412118 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1226412124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
< 1226412131 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way it's written, (pint n args) will cause 'pint' be called so that the arguments are wrapped twice into a list.
< 1226412168 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's written (pint n2 . args)
< 1226412183 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Owait
< 1226412189 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and when you call it like (pint n args), the 'args' in pint2 will be a single-value list containing args.
< 1226412237 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, it works :D
< 1226412246 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why you need an inner function, though, if you just want to call it with the same arguments the outer one is called with.
< 1226412257 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the projection function is admitedly the most useless
< 1226412280 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm stupid and I don't want a loop :(
< 1226412333 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226412339 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try an essential function, although so hard to write!
< 1226412356 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (s x) (+ x 1))
< 1226412357 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226412366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what's wrong with (define (p n . args) (if (= 1 n) (car args) (apply p (cons (- n 1) (cdr args))); of course if you do end up doing (define (pint n args) ...) instead, the inner function makes sense since you can then call it with (cdr args) without the apply.
< 1226412409 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the function ended up as
< 1226412410 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (p n . args)
< 1226412410 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (define (pint n2 args)
< 1226412410 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    (if (= 1 n2) (car args)
< 1226412410 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        (pint (- n2 1) (cdr args))))
< 1226412410 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (pint n args)
< 1226412412 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  )
< 1226412455 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Divers6/math-explained.gif
< 1226412457 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1226412520 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you could just (define (p n . args) (list-ref args (- n 1)) if I'm reading that function right.
< 1226412544 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's the projection function
< 1226412557 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(p n a b c d ...) returns the nth variable
< 1226412576 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; (list-ref list n) returns the n'th element of the list, although it's zero-based.
< 1226412592 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero-based?
< 1226412607 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(list-ref '(a b c) 1) ==> 'b
< 1226412622 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1226412627 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I could just do +1.
< 1226412634 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or -1, more accurately
< 1226412672 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank youz
< 1226412721 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried to compile jitfunge on OS X, but I get a "no return statement in function returning non-void" error (-Werror) from the C++ system header <tr1/hashtable>. Not nice.
< 1226412750 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to do (f a b c d ...) from a function f and a list of functions a b c d... without doing recursion?
< 1226412780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: why would you want to avoid doing recursion?
< 1226412788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, cons f to the start of the list
< 1226412790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then eval the result
< 1226412811 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1226412817 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to write a shorter program.
< 1226412826 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I think what was wanted here is (apply f args).
< 1226412835 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, let's see!
< 1226412839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that one, is it standard Lisp?
< 1226412851 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Scheme, ais523
< 1226412852 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If args is the list '(a b c), then (apply f args) will do (f a b c).
< 1226412856 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's standard Scheme.
< 1226412890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1226412898 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or more accurately, if args is really '(a b c), quoted like that, then (apply f args) will do (f 'a 'b 'c). But I hope the point was clear.
< 1226412997 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck, the � function now.
< 1226412999 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1226413196 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common lisp seems to have (apply #'foo list) too, except that you need the #' syntax to get a function object, thanks to it being a lisp-2.
< 1226413314 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck.
< 1226413335 0 :Dewi!n=dewi@124-171-147-83.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226413356 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be of the form (mu n f), but that means that f should have all its variables filled, except for one.
< 1226413372 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226413394 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could use a lambda.
< 1226413412 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like ^x.fabxde...
< 1226413434 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it needs to be there at parsing, not in the function, I think.
< 1226413751 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't you just going to have µ return a function that takes k arguments and then does whatever it should?
< 1226413794 0 :CakeProphet_!n=bread@h219.54.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226413796 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, � returns a number.
< 1226413834 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(� n f) -> returns the smallest number such that (f a, b, c, ... nth argument, ...) is zero
< 1226413858 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or zero otherwise, but since there's no general way of seeing if it won't stop, no worries
< 1226413891 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226413896 0 :CakeProphet_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet
< 1226413982 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure how you're going to call (f a), (f a b), (f a b c), ... if you just have the call (µ n f).
< 1226414011 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, f is a unary function.
< 1226414037 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's because it's an n-ary function with n-1 values filled.
< 1226414057 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not actually � that will take care of that.
< 1226414069 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means I'll have to do at least some parsing.
< 1226414072 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes me frown.
< 1226414083 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never have I tried parsing in Scheme D:
< 1226414287 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I've read at the "µ-recursive functions" page, the µ operator takes a function and returns a function that takes f's parameters. I can do Scheme, but I'm not quite sure how µ works, so can't comment on that.
< 1226414360 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as said, �y applied to f (x, y, z, ...) returns the smallest y such that f = 0.
< 1226414386 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for... decidability reasons, x, z, and all other arguments must have values.
< 1226414404 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a looping function, really.
< 1226414427 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way for an infinite loop.
< 1226414485 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why can't your µ operator return the function which accepts the values for those arguments, and then returns the smallest y? (And really, I'm still not seeing the sense in there; "µy returns the smallest y"; what's the y in µy?
< 1226414512 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll turn �y f(a, y, b, c, ..) into (� 2 (lambda x) (f a x b c ...))
< 1226414543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think the mu is like the lambda; basically it's a loop setting y to values one at a time until it finds the lowest y at which f evaluates to 0
< 1226414550 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so it's the name of the parameter which will be used for searching.
< 1226414563 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1226414569 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll use a number.
< 1226414619 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's actually a way to do a � with the rest of the functions, but it's a bounded functions.
< 1226414631 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will only search numbers between 0 and n.
< 1226414666 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can use a macro to automatically turn an expression like (µ 2 (f a b c d)) into (do-µ 2 (lambda (x) (f a b x c d))) if you want it to be pretty-looking.
< 1226414674 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why G�del didn't really use it. He just said "let's just use an unbounded version of that to search, negro"
< 1226414719 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll worry about that when I get to the parsing.
< 1226414970 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do some parsing, you can obviously do whatever you want; I thought you were aiming for something that sort-of works in a Scheme repl.
< 1226415100 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's supposed to be its own language.
< 1226415114 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly do it as an exercize for Limp later on.
< 1226415132 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limp's going to be way uglier, for it's full of side effects D:
< 1226415138 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And pi calculus
< 1226415625 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The topic's still a bit silly.
< 1226415627 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (*S!)(!)(*~:^):(t)~:(o)~:(b)~:(t)~(p)(o)(a~a*~a*~*^):^
< 1226415627 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226415628 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | dunno about ultra efficient :)
< 1226415642 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more appropriate.
< 1226415643 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ULTRAEFFICIENT
< 1226415648 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAAAARGH
< 1226415655 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optbot, destroy fizzie!
< 1226415655 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: It's compiled into Brainfuck.
< 1226415665 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I bet that hurt!
< 1226415668 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, ha! I can't be destroyed, I'm compiled into Brainfuck!
< 1226415683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's quite an Underload program, why did you write it like that?
< 1226415691 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: For practice.
< 1226415694 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh/
< 1226415700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok
< 1226415735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a stack trick to print it one at a time?
< 1226415736 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (mu n f) (
< 1226415736 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  define (mui ni)
< 1226415736 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    (if (= 0 (f ni)) (ni)
< 1226415736 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                        (mui (s ni) f)))
< 1226415736 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  (mui 0 f))
< 1226415739 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I doin it rite?
< 1226415799 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that concatenation program -- (*~:^) -- that's duplicated between each letter, and the loopy part -- (a~a*~a*~*^) -- just digs it up and executes; except that sneakily under the (!) there's a print-out thing instead of the regular concatenation.
< 1226415890 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want "ni" instead of "(ni)" there maybe? If it's a number, anyway.
< 1226415921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quoting is one of the things that always confuses me with lispalikes
< 1226415939 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'kay
< 1226415946 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now for the recursion function...
< 1226415948 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also not quite sure what the "n" parameter is for, since it's not used anywhere; and the "mui" is called with two arguments, yet accepts only one.
< 1226415967 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1226415968 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1226415972 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're write
< 1226415984 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n should disappear at parsing.
< 1226416009 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (mu f) (
< 1226416009 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  define (mui ni)
< 1226416009 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    (if (= 0 (f ni)) ni
< 1226416009 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                        (mui (s ni) f)))
< 1226416009 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  (mui 0))
< 1226416010 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There.
< 1226416032 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like it'd loop.
< 1226416044 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the point.
< 1226416048 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except that the (mui (s ni) f) call has the f still.
< 1226416063 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It loops until (f n) is zero
< 1226416067 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which might never happen.
< 1226416071 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what make it TC :o
< 1226416110 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is some sort of problem in halting.
< 1226416153 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I'll see about that when I test it.
< 1226416164 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually just use the named-let for that sort of functions:  (define (mu f) (let loop ((n 0)) (if (= 0 (f n)) n (loop (s n))))) -- but that's of course a matter of style.
< 1226416186 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1226416200 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured the original functional language should just have function calls :D
< 1226416275 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it *is* a function call; (let loop ((n 0)) ... ) is mostly syntactic sugar for (letrec ((loop (lambda (n) ... ))) (loop 0)).
< 1226416300 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntactic sugar gives me diabeetus.
< 1226416303 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1226416411 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rec f g n x y z ...) -> h(0,x,y,z,...) = f(x,y,z, ...), h(n+1,x,y,z,...) = g(n,h(n+1,x,y,z,...),x,y,z,...)
< 1226416414 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ((lambda (x n) (x x n)) (lambda (loop n) ...) 0), for that matter. Although there should be a less messy way of expanding letrec.
< 1226416416 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try that
< 1226416577 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With that, I should be able to do � functions lambda style - without a single function definition
< 1226416791 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (rec f g n . args) (if (= 0 n) (apply  f args)
< 1226416791 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                               (g (- n 1) (rec f g (- n 1) args) args)))
< 1226416794 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This okay?
< 1226416821 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I've got all functions
< 1226416824 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just test it.
< 1226417021 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rec f g (- n 1) args) does not work
< 1226417025 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What has science done D:
< 1226417025 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1226417032 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's the same problem as earlier.
< 1226417045 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably!
< 1226417046 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inside rec, that causes args to become (args).
< 1226417076 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the solution?
< 1226417104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: apply
< 1226417107 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apply rec (append (list f g (- n 1)) args)) is one solution.
< 1226417115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1226417115 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthx
< 1226417118 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are others, of course.
< 1226417160 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh fuck
< 1226417172 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to do it for g too now.
< 1226417265 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably would've written the thing so that (rec f g) returns a (lambda (n . args) ...) doing the (if (= 0 n) ...) thing; for some reason it feels nicer for me if (rec f g) would just return a recursive function that could be separately called.
< 1226417329 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and (apply rec `(,f ,g ,(- n 1) ,@args)) is arguably prettier than the more explicit (apply rec (append (list f g (- n 1)) args).
< 1226417352 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also arguably uglier, thanks to the quasiquote notation.
< 1226418454 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1226418495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226418541 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226418694 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226420044 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226420066 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAGE
< 1226420107 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226420195 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226420366 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:<
< 1226420446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1226420530 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226420867 0 :AquaLoqua!n=anonym@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226421010 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226421337 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226421380 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226422120 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-072-059.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226422468 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see, oklopol, don't suppose you could answer a quickie for me
< 1226422473 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ps: it's Hiato)
< 1226422519 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can.
< 1226422521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AquaLoqua, like the nick
< 1226422530 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
< 1226422536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i read that as "AnMaster" :)
< 1226422549 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-072-059.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226422573 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P Well, picture this quickly. I have a language (SCPL), it's one instruction and it is A:B,C meaning
< 1226422574 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I also read that as "AnMaster".
< 1226422613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i just read the capital A.
< 1226422618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226422621 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the variable at A>0 then B+=C, now the thing is, there is only 1 word worth of vars, is it possible to create code to dynamicalyl address cars
< 1226422622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Ais523
< 1226422624 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vars
< 1226422638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn oerjan isn't around
< 1226422648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well I have to use my own frying pan
< 1226422653 0 :Ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: are you accessing the variables literally? or via constants?
< 1226422663 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ais523: damn you :P
< 1226422675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits Ais523 with a frying pan ====\____/
< 1226422678 0 :Ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: please don't insult me like that, I take it personally
< 1226422680 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not entirely sure i get that.
< 1226422681 0 :Ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take that back
< 1226422686 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes
< 1226422686 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :via constants, so, for example 0x0000 0xFFFD 0x1234 is a command
< 1226422726 0 :Ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: if a variable's address is hard-coded in the command, like it seems to be, your only method of dynamic addressing is a huge switch statement, effectively
< 1226422732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua, are you new here?
< 1226422737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they *actual* constants, is there a separate data segment and a text segment?
< 1226422739 0 :Ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: AquaLoqua = Hiato
< 1226422741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226422753 0 :Ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ah, good point
< 1226422779 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are they bignums?
< 1226422781 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what I thought ais523, but considering you have only 65535 vars, you acn't possible write a huge else if block as that would take them all up
< 1226422784 0 :Ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the code's self-modifying you can do it that way; I have a computer book from before TTL was invented, people used core stores as memory, and pointers were done by selfmodifying code
< 1226422785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ais523 -= 'A';
< 1226422809 0 :Ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Ais458
< 1226422818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you ;P
< 1226422831 0 :Ais458!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: please, again? I don't like religious insults
< 1226422833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais seems to be ASCII-based.
< 1226422837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ais458[0] = a;
< 1226422847 0 :Ais458!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais458
< 1226422852 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not sure what you mean, but probably actual data, the whole thing prog is stored in the mem (not the var mem though)
< 1226422852 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :biden
< 1226422854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais458 += 'A';
< 1226422855 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais458: why don't you like them?
< 1226422859 0 :ais458!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1226422876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais458, hm ok... what about: "commercial you"?
< 1226422880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's just a line that I don't like people to cross, I'm not even religious but like to keep my options open
< 1226422899 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (rec f g n . args) (if (= 0 n) (apply  f args)
< 1226422901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't like random damning, because if it does work it's one of the worst things you can do to someone
< 1226422902 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                               (apply (g append(list( (- n 1) (apply (rec (append (list f g (- n 1))args)))) args)))))
< 1226422905 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet, what is wrong with this?
< 1226422906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in Sweden religious results are seen as less offensive than sexual ones. Maybe not the same in UK?
< 1226422924 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps ais523 around a bit with a large trout
< 1226422925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in general it is the same, my preferences are different though
< 1226422937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: JESUS LOVES YOU
< 1226422939 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apply (g append(...))) at least doesn't make sense; probably should be (apply g (append (list ...)))
< 1226422941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :troutslapping is OK, although mild, although potentially painful in RL
< 1226422950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 also um get some holy water to uncurse it
< 1226422952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1226422965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is that a Nethack reference?
< 1226422969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes
< 1226422979 0 :biden!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :obama
< 1226422996 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :McCain
< 1226423013 0 :McCain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was crying out for that
< 1226423013 0 :obama!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest64551
< 1226423015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for Ron Paul
< 1226423025 0 :McCain!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AquaLoqua
< 1226423036 0 :Guest64551!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :biden
< 1226423042 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good thing i did take it back then. if it had been anyone else i'd just have assumed they were kidding.
< 1226423058 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "list( (- n 1) ..." has (- n 1) in the function-call position, so it will try to evaluate (- n 1) as a function; again, should be something like (list (- n 1) (apply ...)).
< 1226423068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well if you are happier I take it back
< 1226423073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, thanks
< 1226423073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it is just words IMO
< 1226423085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think something actually happened there?
< 1226423086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1226423103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ronpaul
< 1226423109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1226423111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(put it this way, I'm the sort of person who doesn't believe in superstitions but follows a random superstition because I felt I wasn't superstitious enough, and know it's safe because I've verified by experiment that it's unlikely to make much of a difference)
< 1226423113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird did what I said
< 1226423115 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh lawd.
< 1226423119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, tell him that! if he is ignoring me
< 1226423126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* AnMaster waits for Ron Paul
< 1226423132 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That args business confuses me :(((
< 1226423134 0 :ronpaul!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which superstition? XD
< 1226423143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ronpaul: AnMaster asks if you're ignoring him
< 1226423148 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ronpaul: saluting magpies
< 1226423154 0 :ronpaul!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i am ignoring him
< 1226423157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1226423157 0 :ronpaul!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lol :D
< 1226423158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a safe superstition because it clearly makes no difference whatsoever
< 1226423162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, tell him then what happened
< 1226423170 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
< 1226423173 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pascal's wager
< 1226423175 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1226423176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it was subconscious I bet
< 1226423179 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was more "AnMaster wants you to know that he predicted Ron Paul's imminent appearance."
< 1226423180 0 :ronpaul!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pascal's wager is pretty much invalid
< 1226423183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/I bet/
< 1226423189 0 :ronpaul!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fails to account for the fact that there are millions of religions.
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< 1226423194 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1226423195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:03] * AnMaster waits for Ron Paul | [17:05] *** ehird is now known as ronpaul. | [17:05] <AnMaster> ehird did what I said | [17:05] <AnMaster> ais523, tell him that! if he is ignoring me
< 1226423195 0 :ronpaul!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that each of them have an equal chance.
< 1226423197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and I suspected that ehird would do it
< 1226423213 0 :ronpaul!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: considering AnMaster had no idea who ron paul is until i mentioned him a few days ago...
< 1226423215 0 :ronpaul!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<NickServ> Nick RonPaul is already registered to RonPaul.
< 1226423217 0 :ronpaul!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you Ron Paul!
< 1226423218 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-072-059.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226423222 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RON PAUL
< 1226423222 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PON RAUL
< 1226423222 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RON PLAU
< 1226423222 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRO LUNA
< 1226423222 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LUNAR OP
< 1226423224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1226423230 0 :ronpaul!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: !
< 1226423233 0 :ronpaul!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird
< 1226423234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ronpaul: also for the possibility of an antireligion which does horrible things to people who believe in god, and an XKCD religion which does horrible things to people who make stupid mathematical bets
< 1226423237 0 :biden!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :comex
< 1226423239 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lunar op lol :D
< 1226423253 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"polar NU".
< 1226423258 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there just an easy way to transform a lis into a bunch of individual arguments?
< 1226423259 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Oral Pun.
< 1226423261 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-61.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226423268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well oral pun is clearly the best
< 1226423317 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "Nu" is a creature in Chrono Trigger, I seem to remember.
< 1226423320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a god who rewards people who think logically and therefore are atheists is both awesome and useless.
< 1226423328 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be pretty awesome
< 1226423331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and awesome, useless things are the best class of things.
< 1226423371 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fairly superstitious when it comes to luck.
< 1226423372 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmm, ehird logical thinking==atheism?
< 1226423405 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logical thinking => atheism, i think.
< 1226423420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what he meant.
< 1226423429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logical thinking >= atheism?
< 1226423430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that was what i said, yeah
< 1226423455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I'm not promoting logical thinking as a be-all end-all.
< 1226423455 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone confuses implication and equivalence once more i'm going to smack this world with a large trout.
< 1226423455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/me remembers Arthur C Clarke's characterisation that in future there would be only two religions, one which believed in <= 1 god and one which believed in >= 1 god)
< 1226423467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 gods
< 1226423474 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps AquaLoqua around a bit with a large trout
< 1226423480 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logical thinking % atheism == 0?
< 1226423498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wouldn't that imply that either logical thinking >= atheism or logical thinking == 0?
< 1226423506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logical thinking (crazy) logical thinking = your mom
< 1226423510 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmm, but then, ais423, there is space for a third, a comprimise god=1, only 1
< 1226423530 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ais523 that is
< 1226423546 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, well, at least |logical thinking| >= |atheism| then. % is a bit vague with that.
< 1226423610 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and M(atheism){Logical thinking}
< 1226423624 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You matheist!
< 1226423642 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that
< 1226423650 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote we make it a new religion
< 1226423724 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is some sort of bad pun waiting in the "a is congruent to b modulo x" reading of "a % x = b" plus the "corresponding in character or kind" meaning of congruent plus whatever was above, but I can't make it work.
< 1226423731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we actually considered registering an official religion with vjn at some point¨
< 1226423732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*point
< 1226423749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :official religion?
< 1226423751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the end realized it might bring publicity, which we really didn't want.
< 1226423752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is some register?
< 1226423755 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what might vjn be?
< 1226423766 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.vjn.fi
< 1226423772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a random group i belong to.
< 1226423772 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as opposed to unoffical)
< 1226423776 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend in high school started a small few-person religion, but all I can remember about it was that it involved fish somehow.
< 1226423793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226423805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fun
< 1226423814 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: official one? well, i'm assuming there is such a thing as an official religion, i don't actually know
< 1226423836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plan was abandoned before getting into details
< 1226423865 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Not official. But I think there is indeed some register of them.
< 1226423938 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well unless it's official, it's not officially fun.
< 1226423949 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who hasn't made unofficial religions as kids
< 1226423957 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess religious people may not have.
< 1226423966 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's in the "uskonnonvapauslaki", vaguely translated "law of freedom of religion".
< 1226423972 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least in Finland, that is.)
< 1226423985 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need at least 20 people for it.
< 1226423995 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol.
< 1226423998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually pretty few.
< 1226424006 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/2003/20030453 for the Finnish-speaking people; chapter 2.
< 1226424031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's 20, then i think we need to reconsider this.
< 1226424031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was in thousands.
< 1226424033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1226424035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that include Flying Spaghetti Monsterism?
< 1226424040 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may have been a bit silly of me.
< 1226424041 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not actually a "official religion", it's a "officially registered religious community".
< 1226424086 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And if there are Swedish-speaking people who are unexplicably interested about Finnish legislation, the Swedish version is at http://www.finlex.fi/sv/laki/ajantasa/2003/20030453 also.)
< 1226424093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. it's only cool if it's as official as christianity.
< 1226424114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*inexplicably?
< 1226424121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes.
< 1226424140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, christianity is still somewhat in the law, so maybe not *that* official.
< 1226424152 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; that would be very difficult.
< 1226424264 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
< 1226424481 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They will also only accept communities that have as their stated purpose [very freely paraphrasing] "to arrange and support activities that are based on a religious creed, writings considered holy, or other specific well-established principles that are considered holy".
< 1226424485 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's rather vague.
< 1226424569 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be useful to know whether we would actually have to lie to them that we believe in some kinda holy thing.
< 1226424569 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whether we could do it, you know, bureaucrat to bureaucrat
< 1226424570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1226424574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how that's spelt.
< 1226424581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelling is trivial..
< 1226424581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-.
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< 1226424615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you spelt it corrrectly
< 1226424618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi Hiato
< 1226424630 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is v abot)
< 1226424636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi vabot then
< 1226424636 0 :buud!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Because I could not stop for Death,  He kindly stopped for me;  The cube had food and maybe ammo. And immortality.
< 1226424640 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i've just never seen it written
< 1226424642 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-072-059.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226424654 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Additionally, if you manage to get at least three members of your religious community to the same school, they are entitled to get religious teaching for that religion there.
< 1226424660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's a hard word to get right first time...
< 1226424669 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does that apply to universities?
< 1226424681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 members of vjn go to it.
< 1226424686 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226424688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turku uni
< 1226424701 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Just "perusopetus", the obligatory thing. I don't think most universities have very much religious courses anyway.
< 1226424713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compulsory
< 1226424715 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thinks
< 1226424724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, and that's true.
< 1226424728 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't exactly thinking
< 1226424729 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and high school too.
< 1226424772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. we're late
< 1226424831 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you would have had to convince your parents to demand that, it seems.
< 1226424855 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1226424877 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might've been a problem, i have pretty normal parents.
< 1226424973 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny how people hyperlink random things in Wikipedia. This one paragraph has the words "blue", "green" and "pink" linked to the corresponding colours.
< 1226424987 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in case the reader would suddenly start to wonder about "blue".
< 1226424990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :overlinking used to be even worse
< 1226425000 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :overlink?
< 1226425002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a warning somewhere to tell people not to link every word in an article
< 1226425014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I haven't seen it used much recently
< 1226425019 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1226425024 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :overlinking. right.
< 1226425029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linking too much
< 1226425041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes, i thought it was a technical term or smth.
< 1226425279 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also in the same article: the words "sword", "magical", "war", all to the generic entries.
< 1226425291 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hmm, I wonder what this word 'war' means? Thankfully, there's a link."
< 1226425301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what about [[link]]
< 1226425302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS CONFUSING
< 1226425310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=link
< 1226425312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hmm, I wonder what this is? It's blue."
< 1226425320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What should I do with it? Does it mean something?"
< 1226425333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[blue]]. [[the weather in london|red]].
< 1226425340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately that doesn't work too well for other colours.
< 1226425368 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not there. A lot of "rare" words -- "broadsword", "condiment", "apocalyptic", "shell", "general", "court"...
< 1226425379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :london rain is blood
< 1226425460 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could set up a JavaScript onclick event so you can click on any word to go to its article :P
< 1226425476 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way they wouldn't be links (technically)!
< 1226425498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: that would need an admin
< 1226425530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ais523!
< 1226425543 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Dana"
< 1226425547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice it would need an admin and a consensus to implement, or it'd be reverted
< 1226425560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ban and deadmin every other admin.
< 1226425561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then do it.
< 1226425571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admins can't desysop each other, that needs a steward
< 1226425582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :become a steward first then
< 1226425598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, that requires huge elections and the ability to speak multiple languages
< 1226425602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as telling the WMF who you are
< 1226425615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ability to spaek multiple languages?
< 1226425616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut
< 1226425629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: stewards mostly handle crosswiki stuff
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< 1226425636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226425642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: make an underload wiki, then
< 1226425652 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you, in fact, delete the main page now? There's that "wikipedia:don't delete the main page" page, and during those events it was obviously possible, but is it possible still?
< 1226425661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I believe so.
< 1226425665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by which I mean an underload wikipedia
< 1226425673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, there's a custom extension running on Wikimedia specifically to stop people doing that
< 1226425683 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw.
< 1226425690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the devs implemented it to stop people blocking it in much hackier and more complex ways
< 1226425693 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1226425704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonetheless, it is actually possible to delete the main page anyway, but I won't tell you how
< 1226425803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me!
< 1226425806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to knowwwwwwwww
< 1226425812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: deleting the templates on it?
< 1226425828 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now *there's* a person who I especially wouldn't tell it. :p
< 1226425843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, agreed
< 1226425948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Who would make me an admin?
< 1226425949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Srsly. :p
< 1226426026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I remember you telling me that you thought you could become an admin quite easily...
< 1226426056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was joking.
< 1226426757 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i herd u liek mudkips
< 1226426778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: why did you suddenly come up with a mudkips meme for no obvious reason?
< 1226426788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: A better question is why not.
< 1226426806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: something must have prompted it...
< 1226427326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: just ban and deadmin every other admin. <<< lol @ deadmin.
< 1226427443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because i first thought it was from dead + admin
< 1226427558 0 :buud!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226427718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hah same
< 1226428888 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I am ... just not right now X-P
< 1226428972 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
< 1226429229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226429230 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | doesn't make it acceptable
< 1226429233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226429234 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | 9x may actually BSOD from anything
< 1226429238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1226429298 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-072-059.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226429299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: XP BSODs if you attempt to debug graphical DOS programs under the DJGPP port of gdb in my experience, possibly to do with the video driver
< 1226429307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that presumably doesn't come up for most people, though
< 1226429344 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226429890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, haha
< 1226430106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines a party for leap-seconds
< 1226430111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"3..2..1..YAAAAAAAAit's over"
< 1226430171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, leap seconds
< 1226430588 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do people have leap-year parties ...?
< 1226430638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have new-year parties
< 1226430657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this year's new-year party will be especially exciting as there'll be a leap-second party just before it
< 1226430661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 second earlier, to be precise
< 1226430678 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, THAT'S the real excitement :P
< 1226430699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never knowingly lived through a leap second, and want to
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< 1226431279 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226431777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto
< 1226431782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we can have a party online
< 1226431785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get freenode to do it
< 1226431789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's +m
< 1226431792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then -m for the leap second
< 1226431794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and +m right after
< 1226431799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haev to celebrate quickly.
< 1226431800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't be online at 23:59:60...
< 1226431823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph. :P
< 1226431825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, everyone else can do it
< 1226431857 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1226431882 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's, what, 02 here when they actually add the leap second? I can't be certain I'll be present either.
< 1226432353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I've read this piece of Wikipedia earlier, about the 64-bit time_t: "In the negative direction, this goes back more than twenty times the age of the universe, and so suffices. In the positive direction, whether the approximately 293 billion representable years is truly sufficient depends on the ultimate fate of the universe, but it is certainly adequate for most practical purposes."
< 1226432366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1226432379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there have been debates about that being too frivolous for an encyclopedia article.
< 1226432393 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "age of the universe" and "ultimate fate of the universe" are links.
< 1226432538 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1226434493 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226435686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Deewiant: Question:
< 1226435696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should HRTI use unix time?
< 1226435702 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :\n
< 1226435704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can the starting point be something else?
< 1226435716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, since start of interpreter
< 1226435726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or since system boot
< 1226435743 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err what? what starting point?
< 1226435752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that HRTI internally measures
< 1226435773 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what starting point? how is it anywhere evident where HRTI started from?
< 1226435790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, because it doesn't say how should HRTI handle the case of the system change changes
< 1226435796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should it be unaffected?
< 1226435801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should the time returned be affected?
< 1226435805 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDEF
< 1226435812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and what would you prefer?
< 1226435821 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unaffected of course, it's a timer not a clock
< 1226435834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and is that the case for CCBI?
< 1226435858 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be on windows, probably not on posix
< 1226435868 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I guess gettimeofday() or whatever is the best option
< 1226435909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, Well cfunge is optionally moving away from getttimeofday() since it is deprecated in POSIX.1-2008. Cfunge will still use it as a fallback if clock_gettime() isn't found
< 1226435915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also clock_gettime() is nanoseconds
< 1226435937 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use whatever tango provides, I don't know what it uses
< 1226435985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, my system provide nanosecond granularity btw :)
< 1226435997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a pitty HRTI can't express that
< 1226436165 0 :\n!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :blink
< 1226436193 0 :blink!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :comex
< 1226436287 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
< 1226437072 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-196.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226438325 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226438396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there?
< 1226438411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made some large changes, I got no idea if it still works on OS X
< 1226438427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you please could test last cfunge on there? :)
< 1226438501 0 :ab5tract!n=ab5tract@pool-71-246-5-13.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226438565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there?
< 1226438571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226438584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, an issue: on Linux you need to link librt to get clock_gettime()
< 1226438590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1226438601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a new dependecy for cfunge if and only if clock_gettime() is supported
< 1226438608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's handled transparently somewhere in ick, I forget where, probably the bottom of perpet.c
< 1226438612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I check for it in configure
< 1226438629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well issue is cfunge these days set lots of important defines in cmake
< 1226438643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably I can reuse the configure results when I get round to porting cfunge to the build system I use
< 1226438645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CMakeFiles/cfunge.dir/flags.make:C_DEFINES = -DDISABLE_GC -DUSE64 -DCONCURRENT_FUNGE -DFORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=200112L -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=600 -D_XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED -DHAVE_acosl -DHAVE_asinl -DHAVE_atanl -DHAVE_cosl -DHAVE_powl -DHAVE_roundl -DHAVE_sinl -DHAVE_sqrtl -DHAVE_tanl -DGC_DEBUG -DDEBUG -DHAVE_clock_gettime
< 1226438650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I have here
< 1226438655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my debug build
< 1226438667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, however on freebsd there is no librt
< 1226438668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of those can be caught by autoconf easily enough
< 1226438679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clock_gettime() is in libc there
< 1226438682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1226438689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jumping from library to library is a pain
< 1226438696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I got a working check for it in my cmakefile
< 1226438700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need to handle that
< 1226438703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on ick I /think/ I handle that by not using clock_gettime if it isn't in librt
< 1226438721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well cfunge tries to handle it everywhere
< 1226438759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my cmake checks for this correctly
< 1226438766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmake file*
< 1226438773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is ick needs to use the commandline at runtime
< 1226438778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be so bad the other way round
< 1226438787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well you have to solve it
< 1226438796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cfunge may need librt on certain platforms
< 1226438799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for cfunge?
< 1226438815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well cfunge falls back on other functions if you lack those
< 1226438823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could check twice for clock_gettime
< 1226438825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also librt.so brings in libpthread.so here
< 1226438829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once without librt, once with
< 1226438834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea why
< 1226438840 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that doesn't matter, the existence of a shared object is irrelevant if it's never used
< 1226438847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't know
< 1226438851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :librt may use it
< 1226438874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if -DHAVE_clock_gettime isn't there then cfunge will use gettimeofday()
< 1226438888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you want to check for those *l math functions too btw
< 1226438901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reason: cfunge falls back on double versions otherwise
< 1226438910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is bad in FIXP and a few other places
< 1226438936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I have been working a lot recently on making the build system detect stuff better
< 1226438960 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll test it tomorrow maybe.
< 1226438967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so have I...
< 1226438986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you will want a clean build, reusing old configure cache could break stuff
< 1226438992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I reorganized a lot
< 1226439018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, :)
< 1226439030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well iirc autoconf got some "search library" thingy
< 1226439043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks for one functions in no extra libraries and then each of the listed ones
< 1226439045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I'll have to check how well it goes
< 1226439121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also I'm planning to introduce an ability to disable certain fingerprints at compile time, this would work as adding some sort of %depends HAVE_FOO then the fingerprint stuff would need that define to be compiled
< 1226439126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how yet
< 1226439133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I use wildcards in cmake
< 1226439156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the whole file in an ifdef and compile it, so if not defined it will be an empty file?
< 1226439157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, wildcards...
< 1226439169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you think I want to list every file?
< 1226439172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do
< 1226439175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time I add one?
< 1226439184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FILE(GLOB CFUNGE_SOURCES RELATIVE ${CFUNGE_SOURCE_DIR}
< 1226439184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	lib/libghthash/*.c
< 1226439184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	lib/genx/*.c
< 1226439184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	lib/stringbuffer/*.c
< 1226439184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	src/*.c
< 1226439185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	src/funge-space/*.c
< 1226439187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	src/instructions/*.c
< 1226439189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	src/fingerprints/*.c
< 1226439189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with automake I only list them 3 times rather than about 20
< 1226439191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	src/fingerprints/*/*.c
< 1226439193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1226439242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no way I'm going to want to add yet another one every time I add a fingerprint
< 1226439252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's automatable, and pretty easy
< 1226439258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, how hard is adding one line to a text file?
< 1226439277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(autodepends are nice, though, I used to maintain dependencies manually too)
< 1226439278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, more than I want. But I guess I could write a script to auto generate the list
< 1226439292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh that I don't need to bother about at all. Cmake handles it
< 1226439300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so does automake
< 1226439300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with automake
< 1226439313 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-34-158.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226439333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway I may use other stuff from librt at some point
< 1226439341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know what ones use threads on linux
< 1226439352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you happen to know so I can avoid them?
< 1226439370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind if things use threads as long as they don't leave me with two copies of my program
< 1226439388 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and really, that seems unlikely if they're written properly, it would be a bug to not return exactly once from most of the stuff in there
< 1226439392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if I build out of tree for ick, how would I build cfunge for it?
< 1226439408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make it work out of tree too, I think
< 1226439414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as you're meant to work out of tree
< 1226439417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, iirc AIO is implemented using threads on linux
< 1226439427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on freebsd it is actually in kernel
< 1226439433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the script in question would run in the build tree rather than the source tree
< 1226439446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that doesn't matter, as they aren't returning, the existence of the threads is not a problem
< 1226439458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true
< 1226439463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226439514 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226439520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also the -F bug still isn't fixed?
< 1226439527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and darcs says no new revisions to pull
< 1226439559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and:
< 1226439561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Looking for clock_gettime
< 1226439561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Looking for clock_gettime - not found
< 1226439561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Looking for clock_gettime in rt
< 1226439561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Looking for clock_gettime in rt - found
< 1226439563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1226439592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so I look in libc first
< 1226439603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, libc first is right
< 1226439613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh another nice thing, on x86 and x86_64 linux the real clock_gettime() is actually in a vdso
< 1226439615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and -F is really rickety, I should tear that bit out and redo it sometime
< 1226439618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for gettimeofday()
< 1226439637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are kernel memory mapped as a DSO into the process address space
< 1226439655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "        -F      :unsupported on computers without sh or bash"
< 1226439659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant that specific issue
< 1226439678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, the regression in Autoconf?
< 1226439682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes
< 1226439683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should send that one upstream
< 1226439691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, maybe you should push yes
< 1226439694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just get the source from the old Autoconf and use that
< 1226439698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you *ARE* upstream
< 1226439706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh it was autoconf bug?
< 1226439708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I mean, tell the Autoconf people they're causing a bug in my program
< 1226439720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an autoconf regression, they deprecated something that they probably shouldn't have
< 1226439726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and yes you should file a bug
< 1226439727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's returning the wrong result by default
< 1226439727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to them
< 1226439729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO
< 1226439738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what thing did they deprecate?
< 1226439745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that detects if #! works
< 1226439754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that it always does nowadays
< 1226439758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1226439762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds sane to me
< 1226439770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike intercal
< 1226439773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1226439781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, they defaulted the test to "doesn't" rather than "does"
< 1226439785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when turning the test off
< 1226439791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I've figured out what's going on correctly
< 1226439827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226439834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is a bug IMO
< 1226439848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also is there any platform where #! doesn't work?
< 1226439849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make sure it's their bug first before reporting it, though
< 1226439855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you use
< 1226439867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: DOS without bash/sh, but then autoconf would never run in the first place
< 1226439878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there you are then
< 1226439895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's why it's tested, I have a precalculated autoconf results header for DOS
< 1226439899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also. no one but you use DOS these days. Sorry to say it
< 1226439917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't know, FreeDOS is relatively popular for some things
< 1226439925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok, bios flashing
< 1226439937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harddisk firmware upgrade
< 1226439938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226439940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such things
< 1226439946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, why wouldn't someone write a BIOS flasher in INTERCAL?
< 1226439952 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1226439960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even going to answer that one
< 1226439968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why I should artifically limit what INTERCAL can be used for...
< 1226439975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck I wouldn't dare flash my BIOS
< 1226439980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using intercal
< 1226439992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't dare flash it with anything else, come to that
< 1226439997 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a malicious flasher, most certainly
< 1226440006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I have flashed a BIOS
< 1226440026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a floppy image the computer manufacture provided
< 1226440034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only because the system had issues
< 1226440038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the upgrade worked
< 1226440047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they still should have written the flasher in INTERCAL
< 1226440053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they did, did you look at the source?
< 1226440057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sure go tell Dell that
< 1226440065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a Dell computer
< 1226440070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so's this one, as it happens
< 1226440077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old one
< 1226440092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got a "designed for windows 98" sticker
< 1226440098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have*
< 1226440104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've flashed a couple of BIOSes because of "gets completely confused when seeing a hard drive this big" issues. I don't think any of the flashers have been written in INTERCAL, but who knows.
< 1226440105 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226440133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I flashed the dell one because it kept loosing time
< 1226440141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when running
< 1226440145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not bad battery
< 1226440149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a known issue
< 1226440159 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success
< 1226440161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwclock randomly resetting when running non-windows 98
< 1226440194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226440196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is useful
< 1226440199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man 7 mq_overview
< 1226440206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks very useful
< 1226440263 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks pretty much like the sysV thing.
< 1226440269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1226440279 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is also in POSIX.
< 1226440302 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there are all kinds of fancities, though.
< 1226440389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what are the name of those functions though=
< 1226440390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226440460 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :msgsnd/msgrcv is the basic pair.
< 1226440880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTES
< 1226440881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       System V message queues (msgget(2), msgsnd(2), msgrcv(2), etc.) are an older API for exchanging messages between processes.  POSIX message queues provide a
< 1226440881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       better designed interface than System V message queues; on the other hand POSIX message queues are less widely available (especially on older systems) than
< 1226440881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       System V message queues.
< 1226440883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1226441294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who here is cryptographically-knowledgable?
< 1226441314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I know a bit
< 1226441323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no expert though
< 1226441330 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Reboot"
< 1226441347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You must be, surely.
< 1226441351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this with my eyes.
< 1226441360 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sort-of. Maybe.
< 1226441374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well since ehird is ignoring me it is no point anyway
< 1226441375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1226441384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Excellent.
< 1226441405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226441420 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also will not be here for very many minutes; just a moment more.
< 1226441442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, say I want a user to be able to login with a password to a server, _but_ the server can never see the plaintext password. This points me to doing the hashing client-side, but then any attacker with the database can just put the hash in from the database and log in, thus defeating the whole point of hashing.
< 1226441462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My query is just whether I can prove to the server that the user knows the password without the server seeing the password and without that flaw.
< 1226441514 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226441582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you know cryptography.
< 1226441607 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... nontrivial to prove knowledge of something if the server doesn't know it either. But you can of course use a hash of the original password, and then do some garden-variety challenge-response-style authentication if the server has the hash also.
< 1226441643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The server has the hash and the client has the plaintext.
< 1226441657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hashing on the client side allows you just to rip the password hash from the database and get it to send it off.
< 1226441658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much, just the basic RSA algorithm we learned in number theory class
< 1226441660 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the server can maybe do different kind of hashings of the hash
< 1226441702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if uses a hash function on the hash with seed S, giving S to the user, then asks the user what the second-order hash is with that seed
< 1226441704 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno.
< 1226441705 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i may have read about other things, but probably vague
< 1226441717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just hash the stolen hash :p
< 1226441725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1226441728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMAC?
< 1226441734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, it's easy if the server does all the hashing, but that involves revealing the pass to the server
< 1226441739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMAC solves it
< 1226441740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what?
< 1226441762 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what stolen hash, what would be stolen exactly?
< 1226441769 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMAC just does message-authentication with shared-secret.
< 1226441780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Let's say i'm an evil hax0r and I got a hold of the user database.
< 1226441790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a regular system this is useless, all I can give to the server is a plaintext which it hashes to check.
< 1226441800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the CLIENT does the hashing before sending it off, I can just make it send off the stolen hash.
< 1226441803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah he wants a hash on the server
< 1226441805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226441807 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmn. So you'd need the client to be able to prove that he knows something that can be hashed to some specific string, without revealing it to the server.
< 1226441809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is...bad.
< 1226441813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah.
< 1226441824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do this with GPG.
< 1226441825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just use an ssl connection
< 1226441827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put the public key on the server,
< 1226441828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: in my solution the hash never moves anywhere.
< 1226441830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get the client to sign a nonce
< 1226441844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know how I'd implement that if the key is just the password :-P
< 1226441846 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proposed solution, i haven't exactly given this sort of issues much thought.
< 1226441912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should ask the GPG peeps how it works.
< 1226441912 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, okay, yeah you mean the thief can already have the hash of the original password
< 1226441921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226441922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm HMAC with a hash on the server?
< 1226441927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not part of the problem description.
< 1226441929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, impossible?
< 1226441951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is now :)
< 1226441959 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you!
< 1226441970 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You can negotiate a plain old secure channel, and use that to transfer some secret key that the server then hashes and compares to the stored thing.
< 1226441971 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1226441986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The point is, I don't want people to have to trust me.
< 1226441991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The server should never see the plaintext password.
< 1226442007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1226442013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I need is a pair of functions:
< 1226442014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how would you tell the server the original hash then?
< 1226442014 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not seeing what's the point in that, since they're going to have to trust you anyway to do anything with the password.
< 1226442022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Nope.
< 1226442026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is, it all happens client-side.
< 1226442031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password is never revealed to the server.
< 1226442033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming all you can do is hash a string and send a string, i'm pretty sure it's impossible.
< 1226442038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1226442042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need these functions to do it
< 1226442058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :encrypt(a, key)
< 1226442058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decrypt(a, key)
< 1226442060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the constraint that the result of encrypt(a,key) cannot reveal key
< 1226442065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMm.
< 1226442067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it seems to me that getting a message secretly to the server, and what that message is to be are orthogonal issues
< 1226442077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I guess so.
< 1226442078 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, really; you need at some point to tell the server something that can be later used to log in as you.
< 1226442086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes.
< 1226442090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that.
< 1226442095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea was -
< 1226442098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the server sends down a long nonce
< 1226442107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the client does encrypt(nonce, password)
< 1226442107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1226442114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the server uses a third function verify(encrypted, key)
< 1226442118 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that amounts to telling the server a "password" -- which it sees -- and which can be used by someone else to log in, if they manage to catch it.
< 1226442122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the public part of that password
< 1226442123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. um
< 1226442127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm reinventing gpg key
< 1226442128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*here
< 1226442129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1226442145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, yes.
< 1226442148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just use gpg?
< 1226442160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only situation I'm defending from is "a h4x0r has got a hold of the users database"
< 1226442169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1226442170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no.
< 1226442175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks
< 1226442178 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: But you can do that already, by having the server hash the thing it receives from the client.
< 1226442188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, I said it wrong
< 1226442189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I mean is
< 1226442195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say password P is vital to my liiiiiiiiiife
< 1226442200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone sees it, they can kill me.
< 1226442201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow.
< 1226442210 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you will have the client hash it before using it for the password to the service.
< 1226442214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be able to log in with P, while not having P seeable by the server
< 1226442220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1226442222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know!
< 1226442223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double hash
< 1226442231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :client sends hash(password)
< 1226442237 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you use hash(P) as the password to that particular service. Problem solved.
< 1226442239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :server has hash(hash(password)+salt) on the server
< 1226442241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then
< 1226442247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it checks that hashed thing is ...
< 1226442249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, pretty much
< 1226442252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that's easy
< 1226442254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however
< 1226442267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do need something similar for another step of it:
< 1226442278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :server sends opaque data which can only be decrypted with the user's password
< 1226442285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but without the server knowing the password
< 1226442290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the client does the encryption
< 1226442303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I just need some basic encrypt(stuff, pass) function, really.
< 1226442313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably look up which of those are good.
< 1226442407 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AES is what everyone's using, since it's The Standard.
< 1226442498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Mm. I wonder if there are AES libraries for javascript?
< 1226442510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how terribly slow they are :-P
< 1226442521 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, at least five of them in the AES wikipedia article already.
< 1226442537 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: umm, and why couldn't the evil haxor use the hash of the password after the client sent it?
< 1226442549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: my mind was blurred
< 1226442553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h4x0r isn't the important thing
< 1226442556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the server not knowing the password was
< 1226442568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just want the password to be safe, then my scheme was correct.
< 1226442575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226442576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree
< 1226442576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's essentially the same as yours
< 1226442579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why i'm using it
< 1226442579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1226442580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though.
< 1226442599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes, but i don't consider myself capable of this kind of thinking.
< 1226442606 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm going to leave QUICKLY
< 1226442609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye.
< 1226442619 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BYE)
< 1226442701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1226442706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if AES does hashing too?
< 1226442708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I could drop blowfish.
< 1226442718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1226442812 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are constructions to turn a block cipher to a (cryptographic) hash function.
< 1226442818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really?
< 1226442833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure; usually they are a bit slower than actual designed hash functions, though.
< 1226442850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slower is better when you don't want people to try and bruteforce, naturally.
< 1226442870 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want slow, you can just add more iterations of the hash function.
< 1226442881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it's also nice to have a unified encryption/hash function thingy.
< 1226442886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any pointers to these constructions?
< 1226442905 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_compression_function seems to have quite a list; up there in the third paragraph of the intro.
< 1226442997 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite the fancy names, the actual constructions are relatively simple.
< 1226443060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very fancy :P
< 1226443153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1226443174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite getting how to go from encrypt(text, key) to hash(text), but oh well.
< 1226443206 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
< 1226443345 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the simplest case you just divide 'text' to cipher-key-sized blocks (with suitable padding in the end), then starting from some initial H you just repeatedly xor that value with the value encrypted by using the current message block as the key.
< 1226443379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course if encrypt(text, key) does some more clever block cipher mode of operation, you'd want to use a lower-level function here.
< 1226443486 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not here any longer.)
< 1226444114 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I has lap kitty!
< 1226444151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : perl -e '$|++; printf "\e[3;%d;%dt", map { 300*(1.5+sin(++$m * $_)+0.3*cos($m*$_*5)) } .005,.008 until select $x,$x,$x,0.02'
< 1226444152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run that now.
< 1226444156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shall be amazed.
< 1226444274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no we won't
< 1226444280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O
< 1226444285 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is amazed
< 1226444313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing it's an ellipse
< 1226444322 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't really know perl though
< 1226444323 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: try it
< 1226444324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226444335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's not an ellipse
< 1226444345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it? how? think i have perl :|
< 1226444351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even know there were control characters to do that
< 1226444354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it moves around your terminal window
< 1226444357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all wavy like
< 1226444381 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah okay i didn't see that coming
< 1226444386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, \e.
< 1226444394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like some sorta ESC
< 1226444411 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1226444426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah okay i didn't exactly read the format string
< 1226444433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is awesome
< 1226444435 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wave seems needlessly complicated
< 1226444442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems needlessly AWESOME
< 1226444446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just have a sin.
< 1226444460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt write it
< 1226444460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1226444477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1226444485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it move both up-down and right-left?
< 1226444509 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually know what the exact semantics of "until select" are.
< 1226444564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: run it
< 1226444564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226444573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just dances.
< 1226444661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER.
< 1226444696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1226444703 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "until select $x,$x,$x,0.02" just does "infinite loop with 0.02 second delay between iterations".
< 1226444752 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since $x is not initialized to any specific value, the select's FD sets are empty, so it waits until that 0.02 second timeout.
< 1226444805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's that select.
< 1226444813 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was some sorta "select case"
< 1226444838 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot perl lets you skip parens around params
< 1226444845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps self
< 1226444861 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the map mapped over?
< 1226444896 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The list (0.005, 0.008) most likely; not quite sure.
< 1226444920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226444925 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains the sin+cos.
< 1226444934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i'm an idiot, that was so trivial
< 1226444942 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me sleeps.
< 1226444943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1226444953 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result for 0.005 becomes the first %d, for 0.008 the second.
< 1226444976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i know exactly how it works now
< 1226445026 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't say I recall offhand what \e[...t is, though.
< 1226445040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :escape code
< 1226445048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vt-100 or w/e
< 1226445048 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but which one.
< 1226445067 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember \e[...m for the attribute-setting, and \e[...f for cursor movement.
< 1226445075 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's the one that moves the terminal?
< 1226445085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t is for terminally ill
< 1226445098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines physical VT100s bouncing all over the place
< 1226445150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahah
< 1226445154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be great
< 1226445178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually VT320s since that is what the university had when i started there
< 1226445200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think, not sure of the 2)
< 1226445209 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, it's the dtterm-stolen window manipulation thing.
< 1226445231 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wonder it didn't do anything in this tiling-style window manager.
< 1226445272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked great in putty
< 1226445300 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on windows)
< 1226445340 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I'm a bit surprised those aren't disabled by default; the usefulness is a bit questionable.
< 1226445341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am tired. If I have a number N, how do I make it the nearest (going upwards) multiple of M?
< 1226445341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1226445342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(connecting to a linux machine)
< 1226445343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really tired.
< 1226445366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(N+M-1)/M*M with truncating division is the usual thing.
< 1226445411 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The +M-1 makes sure that current multiples of M aren't bumped upwards, but anything larger is.
< 1226445435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works. Yay!
< 1226445857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1226445865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now hwy is there blowfish for JS but not bcrypt for js?
< 1226446697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1226450489 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | hmm... w3m just displays it inline, just like AnMaster asked
< 1226450725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mscs.dal.ca/~selinger/md5collision/
< 1226451759 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rargh
< 1226451772 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is called the . args thingamagig in Scheme?
< 1226451775 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can find sum tutorial
< 1226451980 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-7.html#%_sec_4.1.4
< 1226452031 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankyouz
< 1226452442 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+"
< 1226453022 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1226453022 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try pattern-matching for the pi calculus.
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< 1226453581 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1226453583 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rec: expects either an identifier followed by an expresion, or a (possibly dotted) sequence of identifiers followed by a body in: rec
< 1226453587 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What has science done!
< 1226454642 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1226455292 0 :adu!n=ajr@pool-72-83-119-137.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226458521 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1226458652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBye"
< 1226459444 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora Nomic has a People's Bank of Agora, where people can deposit their assets in exchange for coins. The exchange rate goes down by 2 coins every week the Bank has some of that asset on hand.
< 1226459495 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I determined that in theory, the exchange rate should plummet to 0 weekly. It hasn't actually done this, but in theory, theory and practice are the same. Therefore, I feel leet.
< 1226459723 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226460192 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm
< 1226460198 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone answer my question the other day?
< 1226460312 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like no
< 1226460374 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1226460405 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :efficiently executing boolean expressions
< 1226461042 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need correct key??? Anyone else in here ever been in #chrome?
< 1226461539 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
< 1226461595 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in meat.
< 1226463773 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bow chicka bow wow.
< 1226463805 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH
< 1226463938 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226464919 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226466240 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226469171 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo my program triggers a virus scanner...
< 1226469213 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HACKER D:
< 1226469398 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226469435 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gotta figure out some way to prevent nod32 from screwing with this program...
< 1226469455 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a simple mail server in Java and it keeps interfering and trying to scan fictional messages
< 1226470879 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226471186 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-071-029.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226472014 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226472089 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | actually no, i really do have a turkish prison
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< 1226474059 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226474560 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1226474643 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
< 1226476643 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1226476799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1226479601 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Unisex."
< 1226480065 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-071-029.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226490926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it kind of sucks that there isn't a complete pgp in js impl
< 1226491287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1226492026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1226492028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the topic
< 1226492366 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226493689 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | EgoBot is certainly the limiting factor in speed here.
< 1226493908 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one is not bad either.
< 1226494471 0 :AquaLoqua!n=anonym@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226496452 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1226496592 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Dana"
< 1226497318 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226497431 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226497620 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226497758 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1226498988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1226500501 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-85-133.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226500584 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1226502101 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-34-158.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226503025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1226503143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird
< 1226506828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1226507114 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226507150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1226507210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb me
< 1226507425 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226507497 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye hiato
< 1226508053 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226508218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ehird
< 1226508365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb Hiato
< 1226508384 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1226508391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol
< 1226508421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION destroys the pattern of greetings.
< 1226508568 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a good destroys the pattern of greetings to you too, oklopol!
< 1226508589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1226508891 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1226509235 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1226509389 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226510504 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1226511329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i got over the hurdle.
< 1226511341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tripped shortly after, 54.8 meters
< 1226511369 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you run (like run-run, for real) the whole time?
< 1226511369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough for today, i've set a deadline on success for sunday, so i'm not really in a hurry yet.
< 1226511392 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i occasionally trip, and have to rise up again
< 1226511414 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't do anything fishy.
< 1226511421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trip = fall on my knee
< 1226511452 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, okay.
< 1226511479 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly that graceful, my jumps are way too high to be speed-optimal, and i fall on my knees like every 6 jumps.
< 1226511503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am technically running, i can show you a vid once i master this.
< 1226511529 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great.
< 1226511578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. reading time ->
< 1226511789 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with � recursive functions on Scheme is that you have to compose every goddamn functions
< 1226511799 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's annoying, because Scheme can't do that naturally3
< 1226511836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: use a concatenative lang, composing is the most natural thing in the world for those
< 1226511862 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's only one function left to do, and I don't want all the rest to go to waste.
< 1226511889 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think function composition is so very unnatural in Scheme either.
< 1226511924 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just write it as a function?
< 1226511928 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can't do something like (s s), where s is the successor function
< 1226511942 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you can?
< 1226511942 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance.
< 1226511959 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can try, but it will tell you that you can't feed procedures to +.
< 1226511991 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's supposed to do (lambda (x) (s (s x))) or something?
< 1226512013 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, fortunately, � recursive functions don't really need to do that for all functions.
< 1226512049 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for two schema
< 1226512058 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Substitution and recursion
< 1226512064 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest just fit in.
< 1226512103 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But man was it annoying.
< 1226512112 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad #scheme is here.
< 1226512113 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can always write a macro to turn (c f g) into something that returns the composition of f and g.
< 1226512122 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's what I did.
< 1226512124 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of.
< 1226512136 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Substitution is pretty much function composition
< 1226512151 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess it doesn't really need to be a macro if it just takes functions and returns their composition.
< 1226512199 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1226512218 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All that remain to do is to make the recursion schema return a function instead of a value.
< 1226512236 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something annoying is that with recursive functions, everything is a function.
< 1226512245 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in the end, I don't actually get a number.
< 1226512265 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to apply something to it, because the constant function is C(x,y,z,...) = 0
< 1226512275 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, it doesn't work with the schema.
< 1226512290 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICP exercise 1.42 is the procedure 'compose' for that, actually.
< 1226512326 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1226512357 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I do that, I'll do the actual language, where you can input either a number or a string that will be godelized
< 1226512369 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck that will be annoying
< 1226512370 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226512420 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should fix jitfunge's mycology regression.
< 1226512436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far through mycology does jitfunge get?
< 1226512461 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it prints "GOOD: ..." lines, followed by "GGOD: 0! = 1", then "BAD: 7! != 0" and a ^G character.
< 1226512482 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to do mycology cleanly up to "BAD: k reflects" (because I haven't done k at all yet).
< 1226512514 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what's up with GGOD there.
< 1226512589 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program "001p 01g!. 01g7+!. 01g7+!!. a, @" prints out "1 0 1" like it should, so the bug is less obvious.
< 1226512632 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I first tried the program "0!. 7!. 7!!. a, @" but noticed that it gets compiled into "printnum(1); printnum(0); printnum(1);" basically.
< 1226512632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like memory corruption
< 1226512766 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycology is annoyingly complicated to test; I'd like to get a smaller test case.
< 1226512788 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It runs underload.b98 and the 99bob Underload program just fine, and life.bf too, so it's not completely broken.
< 1226512896 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'smaller'? Up to that point it's probably 10 lines or so :-P
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< 1226513008 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still already 384 lines of output with jitfunge's "-d" flag; I'd like something that generates only one or two compiled sort-of-functions so I can just disassemble them and see what goes wrong.
< 1226513038 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can try just removing stuff from the beginning onward
< 1226513071 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should.
< 1226513091 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With any luck it won't then crash any longer.
< 1226513208 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
< 1226513214 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the 14 first lines of mycology cause the same thing.
< 1226513474 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
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< 1226514843 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least I did get a small test program: "1:$#@ #$_1.a,@" prints out 1, even though it really shouldn't.
< 1226515289 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | how would i know?
< 1226515528 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is this in?
< 1226515612 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host
< 1226515641 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226515667 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doitle2: that's Befunge code
< 1226515667 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-122-163.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226515681 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jitfunge is, I think, C, if that's what you meant
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< 1226515959 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's installing lilo!!! :))
< 1226515971 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226515981 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Installing gobolinux on a mac/
< 1226516003 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is it an active project?
< 1226516010 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1226516012 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression it was old
< 1226516016 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1226516017 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old as in not updated
< 1226516018 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2003 - present
< 1226516020 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, cool
< 1226516027 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's 26 people in the irc channel for what that's worth
< 1226516121 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's its status package-wise
< 1226516164 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume it needs its own packages so that it can use that fancy directory hierarchy
< 1226516190 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1226516197 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good
< 1226516200 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has firefox 3, kde 4, etc
< 1226516207 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, it has 3 packages ;-)
< 1226516212 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had a release a few months ago
< 1226516213 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226516216 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://recipes.gobolinux.org/r/
< 1226516231 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 package updates in 17 days
< 1226516233 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not bad.
< 1226516285 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226516285 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226516316 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It installs everything from source?
< 1226516323 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Underflow"
< 1226516329 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it also has precompiled packages, but yes.
< 1226516334 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a portage/portfile-style solution
< 1226516339 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's like Gentoo in that respect
< 1226516351 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gobolinux.org/index.php?page=packages
< 1226516352 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary packages
< 1226516363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host
< 1226516364 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about package-specific options like Gentoo, does it do anything like that?
< 1226516372 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure.
< 1226516382 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-122-163.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226516421 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to be the main advantage of installing from source, to me
< 1226516444 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh.
< 1226516450 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it compiles everything & its dependencies into a chroot
< 1226516456 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before putting it into the system tree
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< 1226516556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_gobo: you alive yet?
< 1226516566 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've been talking, have I not?
< 1226516569 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still on the livecdf.
< 1226516571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1226516572 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to configure lilo
< 1226516573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ok
< 1226516576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how broken is your computer atm?
< 1226516578 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know those kernel vesa strings
< 1226516580 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like vga=791
< 1226516585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1226516588 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are mean
< 1226516588 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the one for 1680x1280 :-P
< 1226516603 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that simple, I don't think
< 1226516603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_gobo: I don't know off by heart
< 1226516608 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 7 plus minus 8?
< 1226516613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: -1
< 1226516613 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can get the 1600×1200 one
< 1226516614 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It specifies more than just resolution
< 1226516619 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not 1600×1280
< 1226516620 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah
< 1226516621 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1226516623 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1600×1200 vs 1600×1280
< 1226516626 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit :-P
< 1226516655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, hibernate actually works on this version of Ubuntu
< 1226516689 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LINUX: INNOVATION
< 1226516700 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_gobo: TBH I'm not sure if it supports non-4:3 resolutions
< 1226516703 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1226516705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_gobo: it almost worked before, just it wasn't as fast and it got the screen res wrong
< 1226516708 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: waaaaaaaaat ;_;
< 1226516711 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just leave it blank
< 1226516716 0 :AquaLoqua!n=Administ@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226516718 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226516725 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_gobo: I could check what my laptop has for 1400x1050 but I'm feeling lazy :-P
< 1226516742 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving."
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< 1226516821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_gobo: it seems there's a longer format, try video=1600x1280-32@60
< 1226516822 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know the way of finding out those numbers
< 1226516830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing 32 and 60 with your color depth and refresh rate
< 1226516837 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that works
< 1226516843 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i'll just omit it
< 1226516843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... probably
< 1226516846 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to set in the kernel which frame buffer to use
< 1226516852 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One uses the vga= syntax, the other that one
< 1226516857 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any supports both
< 1226516858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, and ok
< 1226516860 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I could be wrong
< 1226516873 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the truth: vesafb only does the vga=X mode thing.
< 1226516880 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes sense, since it only uses the VESA functions.
< 1226516890 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The others are more flexible.
< 1226516891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a different one does the longer mode string
< 1226516918 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, by the way, AnMaster (if it was you I was asking about Unlambda), the answer to the multiple arguments problem I had is currying. Just thought I'd let you know (though I know you know that already :P )
< 1226516923 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backup copy of /dev/sda in /boot/boot.0800 The Master Boot Record of  /dev/sda  has been updated.
< 1226516925 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reboot time
< 1226516965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a table of numbers, it seems all the resolutions that supports are 4:3 ones
< 1226517010 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the card might well support modes that are not listed in some table.
< 1226517108 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions has a longer table of "Linux video mode numbers", wtih 1440x900, but it doesn't have the 1680x1280 one either.
< 1226517142 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1226517160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found a pdf on vesa.org
< 1226517162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look there
< 1226517203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it seems to be down
< 1226517214 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it often makes sense to use the chipset-specific frame buffer instead of vesafb; those let you change modes on runtime and everything. And of course X (if not using the fbdev driver) doesn't much care.
< 1226517250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you access vesa.org from where you are? there seems to be something wrong with it
< 1226517274 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1226517279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1226517282 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the wayback machine
< 1226517291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it index pdfs?
< 1226517304 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so
< 1226517304 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think they've had time to actually define any fancy modes yet; it's, what, 2008? Maybe some time during the next decade.
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< 1226517505 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, that was a funny jitfunge bug; when adding the 'IF' operation it didn't clear the constant-folding-stack, so something like 1#$_ would add "push 1" to the op list, then "if", then see the $ (since it branch-predicts true always) and remove the "push 1" because it thought it was discarding a constant.
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< 1226517615 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite working yet.
< 1226517659 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite working yet either: http://zem.fi/~fis/mycout.txt
< 1226517667 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GOOD: , wo works"
< 1226517677 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1226517677 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wo-wo-works!
< 1226517702 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to add a note to the readme: the interpreter is not meant to stutter
< 1226517723 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD: , wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorks!
< 1226517850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rather impressive that I get "wo works" out of the code "skrow , :DOOG",,,,,,,,,,,,,
< 1226517870 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree
< 1226517923 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
< 1226517943 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's again something more complicated, since isolating that piece of code doesn't break it.
< 1226517959 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One would hope not :-P
< 1226517970 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I just run the 14 first lines of mycology, the output is correct.
< 1226518060 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION restarts
< 1226518123 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er... if I *don't* redirect the output to file, the beginning is also correct (the missing "0 1 2 3" in the beginning is there and no stutter) but the last line is "EAD: k reflects" instead of "BAD: ...".
< 1226518141 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1226518168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sounds very very like memory corruption
< 1226518209 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under gdb it segfaults after "GOOD: : duplicates".
< 1226518211 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not surprised, considering what he's doing
< 1226518224 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1226518225 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a helpful backtrace:
< 1226518225 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) bt
< 1226518226 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#0  0xf7fb503b in ?? ()
< 1226518226 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1  0x00000000 in ?? ()
< 1226518228 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That project should never have been undertaken :-P
< 1226518268 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: try running with and without debugging symbols, and with different degrees of optimization, etc. Should be fun ;-)
< 1226518338 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny how -- despite how utterly buggy it seems to be -- it still runs underload.b98 and the 99bob program, as well as life.bf.
< 1226518429 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And are you sure there's not a typo or something somewhere? ;-)
< 1226518437 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. in 99bob
< 1226518441 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Substituting the -O3 flag with -ggdb did nothing, but it's funny how I get different output from "build/jitfunge mycology.b98" than "build/jitfunge mycology.b98 | cat".
< 1226518483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: step up to the point where it segfaults, checking the backtrace every now and then
< 1226518486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it goes mad, there's the bug
< 1226518582 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 99bob output is (according to diff) identical to what I get from cfunge.
< 1226518594 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, when redirecting to a file, anyway. :p
< 1226518603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably something mycology does that causes corruption
< 1226518609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the corruption doesn't strike instantly but later on
< 1226518670 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think 0xf7fb503b is in one of my generated functions; O
< 1226518811 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm.
< 1226518822 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The segfault is just stack underflow. :/
< 1226518861 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's handled properly by the SIGSEGV handler, I think, it's just that gdb doesn't like it. I can "cont" past it just fine.
< 1226518880 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, I was hoping for a big red arrow pointing at a piece of code and saying "here's your bug".
< 1226518882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb always catches signals
< 1226518890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the code handles them correctly
< 1226518905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly there's a don't-break-on-segfaults option, I don't know
< 1226518919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: does Mycology test stack underflow, by the way?
< 1226518943 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to pop from empty stack quite many times, assuming these signals are correct.
< 1226518955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't surprise me
< 1226518962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does
< 1226518962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any Funge programmer knows that's a ready source of zeroes
< 1226518971 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right there at the top
< 1226518973 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: empty stack pops zero
< 1226518987 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't pop from the empty stack at all in fungot.
< 1226518988 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: to. why he is the generall challenger, i come to know your heaviness.' ' in night, and let driue at me; for ( as we terme it) his friends, his state vsurp'd, his realme a slaughter-house, his subjects to oppression and contempt, and any thing that you should beare me on your shoulders
< 1226518992 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1226518993 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc lovecraft pa speeches ss wp
< 1226518998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc
< 1226518998 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc
< 1226519010 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh cool, you coded that
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< 1226519027 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was your fault for suggesting it?
< 1226519032 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot who mentioned it.
< 1226519038 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my fault
< 1226519042 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't remember whose
< 1226519104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it wasn't a big thing. It's just a fixed list, I didn't add any list manipulation commands.
< 1226519114 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably should've made ^reload to reload it, though.)
< 1226519217 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, my job was the 59999th job on the CIS cluster (since the last reboot, probably). I'm sure they have a prize for whoever gets the 60000th job.
< 1226519258 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure they don't. :-P
< 1226519277 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, I put in way more than 10000 jobs on the TCS cluster over the summer.
< 1226519293 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1226519299 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although maybe I didn't get anything just because I was an intern...
< 1226519313 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you just didn't hit the right round numbers.
< 1226519323 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I hit 200000
< 1226519423 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well, they *should* have something. Maybe a script that automagically prints a fancy diploma to the closest printer.
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< 1226519854 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I'm not too surprised jitfunge doesn't play nice with valgrind.
< 1226519863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ehird?
< 1226519867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: neither am I
< 1226519886 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get "vex x86->IR: unhandled instruction bytes: 0xFF 0xFF 0xFF 0x0" out of it.
< 1226519903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that sequence of instruction bytes make sense on x86?
< 1226519955 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't sound like it
< 1226519962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might, but I doubt it.
< 1226519984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would raise SIGILL if it didn't
< 1226519998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGILL
< 1226519999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1226520005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with SIGILL?
< 1226520011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me think of SIGKILL
< 1226520014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than the fact it means you just came across corrupted machine code?
< 1226520021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sig ill as in unhealthy
< 1226520050 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xff00 would be inc dword [eax] but 0xff 0xff is not really anything.
< 1226520051 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is unhealthy, it's food that's not meant for digestion... or something
< 1226520119 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got sigill once already (with some jumps in the middle of instructions) but I suspect some other valgrind-related complicity is causing this one.
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< 1226520235 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under valgrind, it tries to execute some of the data I have there after the RET in the code. Not quite sure why.
< 1226520492 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1226520819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
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< 1226520949 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Underflow"
< 1226521339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style agora
< 1226521339 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: agora
< 1226521345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: give me some more agora-nonsense
< 1226521346 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ( c) a player
< 1226521352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: more?
< 1226521352 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the cotc's report includes a list of succession.)
< 1226521360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, fungot, that one made more sense
< 1226521360 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this rule. however, in the next week,
< 1226521373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: the suspense is killing me!
< 1226521373 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the player so appointed is herein referred to unambiguously in that currency. this rule.
< 1226521675 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host
< 1226521701 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226521777 0 :warrie!n=Peggy@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226522487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226522618 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-122-163.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226522697 0 :gobo!n=gobo@91.105.123.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226522699 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ping
< 1226522706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1226522712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi person who is almost certainly ehird
< 1226522718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are things?
< 1226522724 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost a-ok.
< 1226522730 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interwebs should work on reboot, just need to:
< 1226522735 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. fix ansi art bootup weirdness
< 1226522739 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. update EVERYTHING...
< 1226522745 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. get a resolution that doesn't hate kittens
< 1226522751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ansi art ~= ascii art?
< 1226522754 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. make it look nice, etc, salt to taste
< 1226522757 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, vesa art
< 1226522758 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226522761 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah
< 1226522762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1226522769 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :control character art for the bootup sequence is all garbled
< 1226522815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1226522831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that when I was running knoppix in a VM on here, the bootup sequence was garbled but it worked fine after tthat
< 1226522833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that
< 1226522861 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226522931 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reboot tym
< 1226523082 0 :gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226523260 0 :ehird_gobo!i=5b697b3c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cc369471c34f329e JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226523263 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Woop
< 1226523263 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woop
< 1226523281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Juffo-wup.
< 1226523283 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1226523364 0 :ehird_gobo!i=5b697b3c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-60ea0c196125771e JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226523371 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Tis great this. Now just to get it working working
< 1226523390 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1226523635 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success
< 1226523646 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226523749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host
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< 1226524964 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226525029 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226525227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1226525227 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1226525227 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1226525227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1226525229 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1226525230 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1226525230 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1226525230 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1226525354 0 :_ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226525368 0 :ais523|direct!n=ais523@sm01-fap05.bham.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226525387 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.123.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226525391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523|direct: what happened?
< 1226525395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the bouncer
< 1226525398 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1226525402 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ais523 seems to have gone missing
< 1226525403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh... is rutian ok?
< 1226525406 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bouncer's spouting errors
< 1226525410 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at me
< 1226525413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x_X
< 1226525415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what errors
< 1226525425 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:29] <-psyBNC> Wed Nov 12 21:29:32 :User ais523: cant connect to irc.freenode.net port 6667.
< 1226525427 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:29] <-psyBNC> Wed Nov 12 21:29:36 :User ais523 () trying irc.freenode.net port 6667 ().
< 1226525434 0 :ais523!n=ais523@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226525434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226525437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see
< 1226525438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should work now
< 1226525444 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226525452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Operation timed out
< 1226525453 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226525457 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: is your computer fixed now?
< 1226525465 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523
< 1226525472 0 :ais523|direct!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1226525508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wb me.
< 1226525510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not quite.
< 1226525527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ais523
< 1226525532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you type pipe on a standard uk keyboard
< 1226525537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift-backslash
< 1226525543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~
< 1226525543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said earlier; did you not receive that?
< 1226525549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ or not
< 1226525553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does shift-2 give you?
< 1226525556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1226525565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange...
< 1226525571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, us layout is probably closer to this apple keyboard
< 1226525571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1226525582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz its a US keyboard... :~
< 1226525583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1226525583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::~
< 1226525587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you ask, do you have the wrong keyboard layout?
< 1226525594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think so.
< 1226525615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a preference somewhere to change it
< 1226525622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1226525623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1226525633 0 :_ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird
< 1226525686 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226525745 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226525791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye ChanServ
< 1226526078 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.123.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226526350 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226526350 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r01jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226526393 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226526393 0 :thutubot!n=thutubot@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226526393 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226526393 0 :jayCampbell!n=jay@209.66.100.34 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226526403 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-071-029.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226526573 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Fix this.
< 1226526579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix what?
< 1226526583 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X. :P
< 1226526588 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The resolutions are borked.
< 1226526594 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put in a Modes line but its still at 1024x768
< 1226526596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about X
< 1226526615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one good thing about Ubuntu, they've got really good at auto-detecting the stuff X needs atm
< 1226526649 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can assure you that every distro is pretty terrible with macs :-P
< 1226526651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try asking in a channel which does know
< 1226526654 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am.
< 1226526655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a #x?
< 1226526658 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're talking about other things.
< 1226526661 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(#gobolinux)
< 1226526665 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X, related. Ironically
< 1226526833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often you can get by with the preferencesies thing of your desktop environment, if you have one. I think at least Gnome and KDE have some sort of display preferences thing.
< 1226526883 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, 'cept its capped at this res
< 1226526885 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024x768
< 1226526889 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be getting 1600x1280
< 1226526892 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I need drivers.
< 1226526894 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But which?
< 1226526904 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what sort of chipset you have there in that thing?
< 1226526918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I had that problem I had to download the package for my chipset
< 1226526929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I have a different chipset to you, though, so you'll need a different package
< 1226526931 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wish I knew.
< 1226526942 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the Internets probably know.
< 1226526944 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's nvidia.
< 1226526946 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lspci" usually knows too.
< 1226526947 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1226526948 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be.
< 1226526956 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M56P [Radeon Mobility X1600]
< 1226526958 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, or ATI.
< 1226526990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ATI drivers for Linux are binary blobs, AFAIR
< 1226526998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ATI that's so new, there's the open-source rather new radeonhd, or alternatively the binary-only fglrx.
< 1226527000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means probably they don't work on 64-bit, unless they special-cased that
< 1226527014 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gobolinux is 32-bit
< 1226527015 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no worries.
< 1226527030 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, OS X Tiger is 32-bit.
< 1226527033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see which of the packages fizzie mentioned is in gobolinux's package manger, and install it
< 1226527043 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XF86-Video-ATI 6.9.0-r1
< 1226527045 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks reasonable.
< 1226527054 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1226527058 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radeonhd is there.
< 1226527067 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226527071 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs it
< 1226527071 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you want to be adventureous.
< 1226527075 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLEEDING EDGE IS AWESOME
< 1226527079 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has disconnected
< 1226527113 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-071-029.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226527124 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"RADEONHD is still very much work in progress. At the time of this writing, radeonhd has the following major limitations: NO support for 2D & 3D acceleration, no support for Xvideo. Suspend & Resume is pretty much untested. Often it just works, but your milage may vary." says my man page.
< 1226527135 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... That's shit.
< 1226527136 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I seem to remember they had some sort of 2D acceleration going on by now.
< 1226527159 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd is probably the best source of info re that driver.
< 1226527181 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if the old radeon driver supports the newer R500-or-newer ATI chipsets at all.
< 1226527202 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this really "new"? December 06 is when I got it/.
< 1226527234 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"RV530/RV560 Radeon X1600/X1650/X1700" is mentioned in the radeon driver, so maybe that one will also work.
< 1226527264 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile: XF86-Video-RadeonHD is part of the Xorg-Driver meta recipe, but no version of Xorg-Driver could be found. Do you want to install XF86-Video-RadeonHD separately? [Y/n]
< 1226527272 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude. Compile. These are hard questions. TELL ME WHAT TO DO ;_;
< 1226527282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest yes
< 1226527288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile tries to guess dependencies
< 1226527292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and asks the user for confirmation
< 1226527294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems
< 1226527300 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what a "meta recipe" is; your Linux is so strange.
< 1226527301 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it doesnt guess
< 1226527305 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just some weird metarecipe stuff
< 1226527308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok
< 1226527315 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Considering it has an entirely new filesystem structure and no "package manager" to speak of...
< 1226527318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it says gobolinux allows installation even without dependencies being present
< 1226527322 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The filesystem IS the package manager)
< 1226527324 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gobolinux.org/
< 1226527342 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, restart X time, maybe.
< 1226527354 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait.
< 1226527357 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't I have to configure xorg.conf
< 1226527368 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably depends what you have there.
< 1226527369 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1226527383 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOGOGO
< 1226527384 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1226527465 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey now THIS is nice.
< 1226527477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it working?
< 1226527483 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You bet.
< 1226527488 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the anti-aliasing is, um, nice.
< 1226527500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screenshot, so we can all see what ehird's new second OS is like?
< 1226527512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, probably you want kde3 rather than 4 atm, 4 is a bit unfinished IMO
< 1226527514 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure thang, as soon as I figure out how to take a screenshot.
< 1226527529 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I can't install KDE packages without kde4, obviously
< 1226527534 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to it being the newest repo version
< 1226527546 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it that radeonhd now?
< 1226527547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bits that are there in kde4 are nice, but the bits that are missing are missing
< 1226527551 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah
< 1226527579 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fonts are a ... bit oversized.
< 1226527581 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last I looked, the old "radeon" driver had no support for things newer than R400, but it seems they've added those R500/R600 cards too nowadays.
< 1226527584 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's grasped the 100dpi thing yet.
< 1226527607 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xs233.xs.to/xs233/08463/snapshot1258.png big screenshot
< 1226527624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: strange website to put it on...
< 1226527631 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: default startup page :P
< 1226527641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, xs233.xs.to
< 1226527668 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1226527672 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xs.to is an imagehosting service.
< 1226527674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226527686 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, those fonts are huge.
< 1226527690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, looks good, although obviously the anti-aliasing doesn't look right in a screenshot
< 1226527697 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can set the DPI in xorg.conf, but that thing also is probably somewhere in them preferences.
< 1226527699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be an option to globally shrink fonts somewhere
< 1226527707 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1226527775 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be a good idea to tell it the real DPI of the panel -- although optimally it should be clever enough to figure that out by itself -- so that things that care, like Gimp, know it.
< 1226527790 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to set mouse accelleration to <1x
< 1226527794 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toooooooo faaaaaaast
< 1226527839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have quite a slow mouse speed by default
< 1226527841 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs subpixel hinting
< 1226527863 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delicious.
< 1226527868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: with a dpi that high you'll have to stare really hard at the screen to figure out which of the 4 options works best, won't you?
< 1226527877 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1226527893 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DPI is high enough that Full is obviously the best option.
< 1226527905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant stripe order
< 1226527909 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1226527912 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously RGB
< 1226527912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me a lot of staring to work out what it was on my screen
< 1226527920 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: almost certainly rgb.
< 1226527933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1226527938 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the screen size there, then?
< 1226527944 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here?
< 1226527945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1280*800
< 1226527947 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1680x1280
< 1226527975 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant physical size; but right, you said 100 DPI. Somehow I read that as a hypothetical example or something.
< 1226528014 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1226528016 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21"
< 1226528026 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d290d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c732aa15e4a6389a JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226528033 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Next up on #esoteric: Someone gets the brilliant idea to take that out of context)
< 1226528045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo
< 1226528052 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRR
< 1226528059 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523
< 1226528061 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HOW DO I STOP THE RESIZE CONTROLS FROM APPEARING ON MAXIMIZED WINDOWS
< 1226528065 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS DESTROYING MY FITT'S LAW
< 1226528075 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This 24" 1920x1200 screen has (well, if I believe what the driver says) 94 DPI, which is a reasonably nice combination.
< 1226528083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: if you're on KDE, it has an option for absolutely everything I think
< 1226528087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to find it
< 1226528088 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :120dpi here, i think.
< 1226528096 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Whatever happened to reasonable defaults?
< 1226528100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on KDE 4, I couldn't find the options at all)
< 1226528101 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, this is Linux.
< 1226528130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it seems that maximised windows don't have resize handles any more on this version of Gnome, they used to
< 1226528144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I even used them on occasion
< 1226528178 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION changes all system fonts to helvetica because bitstream is the scourge of the earth
< 1226528194 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat.
< 1226528195 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Helvetica.
< 1226528205 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, it's 	non-free.
< 1226528219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that doesn't mean a Linux version doesn't exist
< 1226528230 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure feel 	freedom-enhanced	with this. 	Free by default!
< 1226528242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everyone has the same love of helvetica you do...
< 1226528271 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said that.
< 1226528284 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's kind of sad that there are like 3 fonts on this system, and they're all free, and they're all pig-ugly.
< 1226528288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not today, I'm pretty sure you implied you did years ago though
< 1226528301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what sort of package choice does gobolinux install by default?
< 1226528311 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More barebones than Ubuntu.
< 1226528317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not many packages, it seems relatively likely that they only installed just enough fonts to get the thing working
< 1226528323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have more as options
< 1226528324 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :System stuff, openoffice, browser, irc client, etc
< 1226528325 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about it
< 1226528338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you install the IRC client yourself?
< 1226528387 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; a shitty circa-2002 one came by default.
< 1226528395 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"KSirc"
< 1226528409 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_ CTCP: VERSION Konversation 1.0.1 (C) 2002-2006 by the Konversation team
< 1226528413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, presumably it's so people can get help on a newly installed version
< 1226528439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I have a newer Konversation than ehird_, it seems
< 1226528450 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, that's expected.
< 1226528477 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No sound on this; that's annoying.
< 1226528492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a prefectly good set of characters in the rom, why use fonts :o
< 1226528511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: there are about 6 different options for sound under Linux, IME about 3 or 4 of them work on any given system
< 1226528515 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet the oklotalk OS will be like colorforth except moreso
< 1226528517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE4 autoselects one that works which is nice
< 1226528521 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I put Freespire on my laptop, sound worked, but there was no way to control the volume
< 1226528521 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, but drivers, yo.
< 1226528523 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :</random>
< 1226528533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know colorforth, but if it's mentioned two more times, i will look at it
< 1226528538 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha, freespire
< 1226528540 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: colorforht
< 1226528542 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorforth
< 1226528543 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorforth
< 1226528545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the two colorforths ehird now says don't count)
< 1226528558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(damn my slow typing)
< 1226528585 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorforth
< 1226528586 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorforth
< 1226528590 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's not "now" any more
< 1226528592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard colorforth mentioned before, but I don't know what it is
< 1226528593 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's after now.
< 1226528597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should look at it too
< 1226528607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's easier to wait here and hope someone will tell me what it is
< 1226528625 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: colorforth is a magical unicorn.
< 1226528649 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume it's some kinda gui for forth, but i have no idea really.
< 1226528655 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1226528660 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an OS written in assembly and forth
< 1226528664 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the assembly is like 100 lines
< 1226528666 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest is forth
< 1226528669 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written by chuck moore
< 1226528671 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creator of forth
< 1226528671 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1226528675 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's literally colorforth
< 1226528678 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, Freespire only sucks when you realize that you've been using Ubuntu for a while and all your settings are on Ubuntu and you're too lazy to transfer stuff and also when printers don't just work, but due to some boot record mixup or something you're unable to boot to Ubuntu
< 1226528679 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of : and ; and stuff
< 1226528681 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use colours.
< 1226528689 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: freespire sucks because it's linspire
< 1226528697 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA Lindows
< 1226528706 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that does sound interesting
< 1226528709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: "too lazy to transfer stuff"? just copy across all the dot directories
< 1226528725 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wanted Freespire to be somewhat distinct
< 1226528743 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you possible conform to the linux masses :D
< 1226528760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... it sucks because it doesn't have your settings, you could easily copy your settings but you want it to be different so you don't?
< 1226528829 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@kitten ~]sudo InstallPackage KDE
< 1226528831 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPGRADE TIME
< 1226528831 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely thinks that he should never have switched from Windows to Linux
< 1226528839 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kitten
< 1226528839 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1226528845 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION upgrades his kitten.
< 1226528899 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The funny thing is, GoboLinux is pretty much exactly what any distribution I made would be like.
< 1226528903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: why?
< 1226528919 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOUSE YOU HAVE A SCROLLWHEEL USE IT
< 1226528919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i switched to linux, then back, all that changed is now i know linux is basically the same os as windows.
< 1226528926 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES ITS A FANCY 3D ONE BUT GODDAMN >:(
< 1226528930 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to think it was something much more awesome
< 1226528933 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There are a lot of Windows-only programs I like
< 1226528934 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: from a user perspective, maybe
< 1226528936 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but internally, way different.
< 1226528952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very primitive os.
< 1226528960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how you look at it
< 1226528967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: ah, ok
< 1226528967 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny thing is, at this point in time, Linux is working better than Windows, and SL does not work well on Windows for me for some reason
< 1226528982 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not the sort of thing I entered into using Linux on a regular basis knowing
< 1226528982 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This might seem out of nowhere but has anyone ever played Sysop 3 on a BBS?
< 1226528992 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1226528993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: I thought sl was just a silly program that showed a picture of a steam train, to punish people for typoing "ls"
< 1226528996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1226529005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doitle2: I expect someone has, I haven't though
< 1226529010 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realize that installers would break on my Windows partition, and I didn't realize that SL would work better on Linux
< 1226529012 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SL = second life
< 1226529013 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SL == Second Life
< 1226529013 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume
< 1226529020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessed...
< 1226529030 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@kitten ~]sl
< 1226529030 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Desktop  logs  snapshot1.png
< 1226529037 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no steam locomotives here
< 1226529058 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how to make money and my phone line is damaged and I can't afford the service call to get it fixed... I'm a terrible Sysop
< 1226529082 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doitle2: You missed the 80s. Sorry to be the bringer of bad news. :-P
< 1226529104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doitle2: who are you, anyway? I don't think I've seen you around here before
< 1226529105 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly, I wasn't old enough to run my own BBS back in the 80s so I'm getting to experience a lost art
< 1226529106 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, GoboLinux can auto-merge config files for new versions.
< 1226529115 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it sane to get irritated when one's economics professor states that the "70" in the Rule of 70 was derived by trial and error, when the Rule of 70 is clearly purely mathematical in nature, and not an estimatation based on economic observations/
< 1226529127 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: i dunno lol
< 1226529128 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I joined maybe... 4-5 days ago after playing around with some BF and then joinin #bf and being redirected here
< 1226529131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: it rather depends on what the rule of 70 is
< 1226529136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1226529142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!Hello, then!
< 1226529143 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, then!
< 1226529150 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEONE FIX MY MOUSE WHEEL
< 1226529153 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: say hi to Doitle2
< 1226529153 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: :D
< 1226529164 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.marteydodoo.com/2007/06/08/wireless-mighty-mouse-on-ubuntu-linux/
< 1226529165 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oho
< 1226529166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (hi Doitle2)S
< 1226529166 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Doitle2
< 1226529174 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_70
< 1226529239 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that bot interperet BF code?
< 1226529250 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not does that exist, if not if not... Could I make one... hmm
< 1226529255 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doitle2: fungot interprets bF
< 1226529255 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: for a new order of succession, that player
< 1226529258 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is writen in befunge
< 1226529266 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot is written in thutu (string rewriting language)
< 1226529268 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and interprets underload
< 1226529273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bots that interpret BF code aren't all that hard
< 1226529275 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot is written in ruby, and talks nonsense.
< 1226529276 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: lame :P
< 1226529281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha.
< 1226529286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, fungot talks nonsense too!
< 1226529286 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: elements: grafty
< 1226529288 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: yes, you are pretty lame
< 1226529288 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: 3.2.2
< 1226529293 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: what
< 1226529294 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: 1 pgimeno: bf
< 1226529296 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: shut up
< 1226529296 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: it's loosely based on Sonata form
< 1226529301 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (optbot)S
< 1226529302 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot
< 1226529302 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: but blame my .bashrc for some of that
< 1226529302 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot: ok :)
< 1226529306 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph.
< 1226529321 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226529321 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | their own stack, own loaded fingerprints, position, delta, etc....
< 1226529328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need bots for more esolangs in here, really
< 1226529334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot did loads of them when it was around
< 1226529334 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
< 1226529352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm we only have Underload and Brainfuck
< 1226529368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... also fungot can run raw Funge as it has an eval command, but only fizzie can use it because it isn't sandboxed in any way
< 1226529368 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: message to the
< 1226529370 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226529376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss
< 1226529376 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ss
< 1226529385 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot runs underload too; although doing underload is not significantly harder than brainfuck in Befunge, especially if you do what I did and use the STRN fingerprint.
< 1226529386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: spout some Shakespeare-like nonsense at me
< 1226529386 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cam. euen he, your wife, is she drown'd? queen. i see no sense for't, but some defect in her did quarrell with the noblest grace she ow'd, and put vp my yron dagger. answere me like men: when griping griefes the heart doth wound, then musicke with her siluer sound, because musitions sound for siluer pet. pratest to, what say you?
< 1226529386 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is offended to learn that quite possibly, the rule of 70 was in fact initially derived by trial and error
< 1226529387 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lenox. and that set together is noddy for my paines: i pray thee fnord them, with a quietness of spirit, life, honour, truth, and everything in readiness for fnord fnord i will have forty moys, or i: yet, you rogue!
< 1226529401 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Bard was so fond of fnords.
< 1226529405 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gobo comes with nano but not vi...
< 1226529408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: because people didn't know how to logarithmise 2
< 1226529451 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One version of) NetBSD comes with "ex" with instructions for "here's how to mount /usr in advance if you're such a wimp that you need vi instead of ex for config-file editing".
< 1226529488 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ex is a crazy bitch
< 1226529506 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<==goes to read new Fine Structure
< 1226529511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if you're such a wimp that you need vi instead of ex for config-file editing"
< 1226529523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the sort of attitude designed to repel people from Linux, I think
< 1226529526 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226529531 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe it wasn't written exactly with those words.
< 1226529543 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just my interpretation.
< 1226529566 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's called a joke, I think
< 1226529589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have bundled a full GUI with the config file
< 1226529602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written in INTERCAL
< 1226529652 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets scared: He's starting to like linux
< 1226529658 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For an actual desktop OS :P
< 1226529689 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it will piss me off soon enough.,
< 1226529730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, all OSs annoy me, it's just a case of sticking to one I can learn to get around
< 1226529739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1226529743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu-proposed is nice as when it annoys me I can normally fix it
< 1226529745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: night
< 1226529752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when I can't I can wait for someone else to often
< 1226529773 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, some day, firefox and emacs will merge.
< 1226529781 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then grow a desktop environment.
< 1226529784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe
< 1226529786 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then a kernel, and a bootloader.
< 1226529791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: I've decided that emcas was in fact originally intended to be an OS not an editor
< 1226529796 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, you'll go out to the store
< 1226529797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emcas?
< 1226529800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs
< 1226529802 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and buy a Firemacs
< 1226529810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Extended Magic Computer Algebra System?
< 1226529810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226529813 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that it has finally grown physical hardware.
< 1226529815 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226529815 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our work-workstations switched from SuSE into Ubuntu recently; following the hipness.
< 1226529824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny bacronym IMO
< 1226529847 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226529849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favourite bacronym for Emacs is ESC Meta-Alt-Ctrl-Shift-...
< 1226529852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is that a funny backronym for FBI?
< 1226529854 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs is a very old piece of software with no future
< 1226529866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hahah
< 1226529870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no
< 1226529876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the one for emcas
< 1226529879 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep? yes. ->
< 1226529881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the typo of emacs
< 1226529913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also it is a nethack reference
< 1226529916 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: how come nobody calls _you_ out for your opinionated, unjustified statements
< 1226529917 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226529921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you understand it
< 1226529930 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw i agree.
< 1226529933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, also you are wrong
< 1226529943 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: see? they do
< 1226529947 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh joy, AnMaster noticed your prescense
< 1226529958 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: i think you should just kick AnMaster forever.
< 1226529960 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wrong how?
< 1226529960 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss.
< 1226529970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, because editor choice is subjective
< 1226529979 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1226529981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: actually a very very vague slashem reference that took me about 10 seconds to get after I was told it was there
< 1226529982 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said nothing about editor choice
< 1226529990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, I even know a few people who use ed daily
< 1226529999 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sure, how does that make me wrong?
< 1226530000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no nethack too
< 1226530010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, NetHack EM existed iirc
< 1226530020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got merged into normal nethack
< 1226530026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :around version 3 or so
< 1226530027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1226530027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a patch, not a different version
< 1226530033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah maybe
< 1226530033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and IIRC it was called the wizard patch
< 1226530077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok
< 1226530078 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how AnMaster would react to gobolinux.
< 1226530081 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit, I just alerted him to it
< 1226530088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I like it, but I see a few issues
< 1226530092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the general idea I like
< 1226530105 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which issues? It's been working fine for me.
< 1226530105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically I dislike the dir hiding kernel module
< 1226530129 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Get rid of the filesystem cruft, as long as you don't get rid of the filesystem cruft."
< 1226530130 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1226530131 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Slash'EM is a combination of SLASH and the Wizard Patch.
< 1226530132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but other than that I think it got some very good idea
< 1226530141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I haven't personally tried it however
< 1226530148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can't be any more specific
< 1226530158 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye all
< 1226530182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and to me it is just an alternative package manager
< 1226530184 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1226530188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I know
< 1226530194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, I haven't personally tried it
< 1226530224 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't.
< 1226530239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an alternative directory structure
< 1226530241 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a decluttering of the filesystem layout that happens to let you have no package manager.
< 1226530245 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's a regular distro besides.
< 1226530254 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really a one-trick pony.
< 1226530261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders about a reverse-symlink gobolinux, which works exactly the same except that the symlinks are the other way round
< 1226530273 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That would kind of defeat the point, though.
< 1226530277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh
< 1226530280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? what's the difference?
< 1226530280 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226530285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cleanup scripts would work just as well
< 1226530288 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you benefit because the physical layout is like that
< 1226530294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how, exactly/
< 1226530296 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you can't have two versions simultaneously in the traditional layout
< 1226530304 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you have two version dirs linking to /usr/bin/prog
< 1226530306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different names
< 1226530306 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't
< 1226530312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoconf-2.6
< 1226530313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoconf-2.5
< 1226530315 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So, essentially, you defeat the point of gobolinux.
< 1226530317 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent.
< 1226530318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: well how does it deal with that normally, given the symlinks are needed?
< 1226530324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it links one and not the other
< 1226530325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, was just making a point
< 1226530332 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It just symlinks the active version. But the point is, /Programs is a permanent store.
< 1226530335 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No "active" concept.
< 1226530336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd end up with one in the old tree and one in the new tree, dormant but runnable
< 1226530347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better still: hardlinks!
< 1226530364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need some way to find the other end of a hardlink that's more efficient than scanning the entire filesystem
< 1226530367 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, there's no actual reason to do it the reverse way
< 1226530369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or the other 2+ ends)
< 1226530379 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the symlinks are only there for legacy programs which can't handle a different layout.
< 1226530383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to demonstrate that the idea isn't so different
< 1226530392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardlinks break separate / /usr and so on
< 1226530394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I use
< 1226530397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: no, not at all, they're also there for the PATH
< 1226530401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I put everything but / and /boot on lvm
< 1226530403 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: overlay mounts
< 1226530404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for finding shared libraries
< 1226530410 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is the reccomended solution for gobolinux
< 1226530414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, hardlinks still doesn't work that way ;)
< 1226530422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: I don't think you can do hardlinks across filesystems is AnMaster's point
< 1226530422 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sure
< 1226530424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or you mean unionfs?
< 1226530425 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226530435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226530439 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes OS that uses RDF as a filesystem.
< 1226530440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think you should be able to, that's an FS implementation deficiency rather than anything semantic
< 1226530448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does gobolinux work with /usr on LVM?
< 1226530454 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no idea.
< 1226530456 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it.
< 1226530457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1226530468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I will if I get a computer to try it on
< 1226530470 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I'm using binary packages and it's still taking hours to update KDE4.
< 1226530475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or virtual box I guess
< 1226530477 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because of the myriad dependencies.
< 1226530481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there's nothing in /System/Links/Executables (which /usr is a symlink to) but symlinks on gobolinux
< 1226530491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so putting it in a separate filesystem would be kind-of silly
< 1226530495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, and that is an issue
< 1226530502 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no its not
< 1226530505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since I use read only mounted /
< 1226530505 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :symlinks take up 0 space
< 1226530507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for security issues
< 1226530510 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put the actual LINKED files in the right place
< 1226530515 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :security issues lol :D
< 1226530521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :security reasons*
< 1226530522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typoed
< 1226530529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: actually, one interesting point that gobolinux's explanation page didn't cover is how to simulate a read-only /usr
< 1226530531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I am paranoid
< 1226530537 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really want to see the person AnMaster has in his head attacking his computer
< 1226530538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, read only / you mean
< 1226530538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr is designed so it can be, after all
< 1226530541 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he must be really, really clever
< 1226530542 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fast
< 1226530546 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and invincible
< 1226530549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true
< 1226530551 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have the fastest supercomputer to crack things
< 1226530551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, I mean read-only /usr, that's entirely possible
< 1226530555 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is working for the government
< 1226530559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah
< 1226530559 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO DID 9/11 WAKE UP SHEEPLE
< 1226530562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think /var exists?
< 1226530568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed
< 1226530587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do that on gobolinux you'd somehow have to have all the executables on a different filesystem
< 1226530609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes
< 1226530618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and that is the second downside kind of
< 1226530620 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ask #gobolinux.
< 1226530623 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster too.
< 1226530624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think even overlay mounts solve that
< 1226530633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I will, because I think it would be interesting to have a solution
< 1226530634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I will if I plan to install it
< 1226530640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm planning to go to bed
< 1226530645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really need to
< 1226530652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see this solved, rather than point to it and say haha
< 1226530669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok
< 1226530711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my guess is you can't
< 1226530720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, make a solution then!
< 1226530723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also the separate / and /usr doesn't work well
< 1226530729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can figure out
< 1226530733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on gobolinux or in general?
< 1226530734 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's just because you like seeing things other than the solution you use fail
< 1226530737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, on gobo
< 1226530747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since / contains the stuff needed to mount the /usr
< 1226530748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, exactly, you'd separate / and /Programs instead
< 1226530751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including lvm and such
< 1226530761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those would just be symlinks to the /Programs
< 1226530763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on lvm
< 1226530767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...catch-22
< 1226530769 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a /System FYI.
< 1226530773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah
< 1226530778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that solves it I guess
< 1226530783 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@kitten ~]ls /System
< 1226530783 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel  Links  Settings  Variable
< 1226530785 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no libs, though
< 1226530788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226530792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't help
< 1226530794 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the kernel, /boot, modules, etc.
< 1226530798 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :startup scripts
< 1226530799 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :et al
< 1226530813 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a lot of people have a "read-only shared /usr from NFS" setups; I'm sure someone has had time to think about it.
< 1226530818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, needs what other distros call the statically linkd /sbin/lvm
< 1226530824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gobolinux's answer to that is "it's 2008, have you never heard of a LiveCD?"
< 1226530836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, hmm... that's not very good on remote servers I suppose
< 1226530836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that made no sense
< 1226530865 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I asked in #gobolinux but nobody's answered yet
< 1226530867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I didn't see that answer in #gobolinux?
< 1226530881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I was referring to the mount being not on /usr thing
< 1226530884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226530903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I guess you could do it with a messy initramfs
< 1226530905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, it makes no sense with respect to the read-only /usr thing
< 1226530914 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#gobolinux just slowed down XD
< 1226530928 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: iirc, initramfs IS the gobolinux solution to that crap
< 1226530944 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with that,.
< 1226530953 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except they seem to call it squashfs
< 1226530970 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://squashfs.sourceforge.net/
< 1226530975 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not
< 1226530982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226530988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqashfs is something else
< 1226530992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squashfs*
< 1226531000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a compressed read only fs
< 1226531004 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226531005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used on installcds and such
< 1226531026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like busybox, but for filesystems?
< 1226531037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, afaik kernel can't use it for initramfs. which is a compressed ext2 image iirc
< 1226531038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/install CDs/install floppy disks/
< 1226531045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC!
< 1226531050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I think it's great being able to put busybox on a floppy disk
< 1226531056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I IRC too, so does everyone in this channel
< 1226531058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hahah
< 1226531065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1226531070 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is squashfs initrd support.
< 1226531075 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gobolinux installer defaults the filesystem to reiserfs, it was released in 2008-04
< 1226531075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh ok
< 1226531077 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was rather amusing :)
< 1226531084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes.
< 1226531089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use ext3 or xfs
< 1226531092 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's in the mainstream kernel, but it exists.
< 1226531093 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using ext3, yes.
< 1226531097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: I've been waiting several months for an opportunity to make that joke
< 1226531107 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, surely reiser's corporation will carry on maintaining it.
< 1226531113 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I suppose they'll change the name :-P
< 1226531125 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might as well call it BabyKillerFS
< 1226531127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what reiserfs version?
< 1226531131 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dunno.
< 1226531133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226531145 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i am actually using lilo instead of grub
< 1226531146 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-O
< 1226531152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I got some old installs still using reiser, since back in 2004 or so
< 1226531153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1226531156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fragmentation
< 1226531164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heavy fragmentation
< 1226531173 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits to be asked why lilo, not grub
< 1226531174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, weird, why not grub?
< 1226531181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or elillo?
< 1226531183 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: EFI
< 1226531190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh isn't that elilo then?
< 1226531195 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, rEFIt
< 1226531195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of lilo
< 1226531199 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1226531204 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's lilo with 0 timeout
< 1226531204 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1226531209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Description:         Linux boot loader for EFI-based systems such as IA-64
< 1226531210 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rEFIt, the boot manager thingy
< 1226531210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226531212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226531219 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boots it with bios emulation
< 1226531220 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mbr
< 1226531222 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that sort of crap
< 1226531230 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so lilo picks it up and boots into linux immediately
< 1226531237 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grub requires a patch to work with refit, apparently
< 1226531250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, linux supports EFI
< 1226531266 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's all very nice on paper.
< 1226531281 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be even nicer if it meant something in practice, but it doesn't, and this is the only sane setup you can get
< 1226531284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it is incomplete?
< 1226531290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1226531296 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know; I know that you can't get 2d accelleration with efi
< 1226531306 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't even want to bother trying to coerce it into working
< 1226531308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what? that made no sense
< 1226531353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRUB 2 should do EFI quite well; at least that's what they've been saying. Not sure if I'd dare to use that thing just yet, though.
< 1226531393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226531394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same
< 1226531420 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upgrade faster, KDE. :~
< 1226531536 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPGRADED
< 1226531563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tried archlinux btw?
< 1226531580 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, don't feel any particular inclination to
< 1226531584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm probably too manual for you
< 1226531589 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes it unique?
< 1226531592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like a binary gentoo in certain ways
< 1226531603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it on slower systems
< 1226531606 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the advantages are....
< 1226531611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i686 optimised
< 1226531615 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is gobolinux
< 1226531616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot of gui stuff
< 1226531618 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even support i386
< 1226531620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :traditional
< 1226531634 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how traditional=good
< 1226531642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, it is a matter of taste
< 1226531653 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a matter of masochism
< 1226531655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got a fast package manager ;P
< 1226531664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blazing fast
< 1226531666 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so has gobo; it's called ext3
< 1226531668 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably stuck with this Debian, since I happen to like it and know rather well how to use it.
< 1226531674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well you said KDE took long
< 1226531676 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc
< 1226531676 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc
< 1226531684 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that was just the downloading.
< 1226531689 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fact that it has 5000000 dependencies anyway.
< 1226531691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah right
< 1226531701 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Asleep.)
< 1226531705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night too
< 1226531752 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. Stupid CMake and its "you have to build me with myself" fetish.
< 1226531823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh?
< 1226531835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean it bootstraps itself
< 1226531836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1226531841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes quite long
< 1226531856 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just built yourself with autotools, so shut up, you don't have to do it again.
< 1226531858 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shoots cmake
< 1226531877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think it builds a stripped down version
< 1226531889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat like stage 1 gcc
< 1226532523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1226532526 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird
< 1226532538 0 :_ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226532593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1226532596 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226532607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I'm about to miss my train, gtg...
< 1226533113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what's this i hear about boolean evaluation?
< 1226533132 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i can't figure out how to do it efficiently
< 1226533155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n) with respect to what?
< 1226533192 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the size of the hash table
< 1226533220 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you repeat the problem?
< 1226533252 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hash table that maps items to lists of tags
< 1226533262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rephrasing, preferably, as i recall not understanding what you wanted when reading the first time)
< 1226533300 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to return all the items whose tags make a boolean expression evaluate to true
< 1226533302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and you want to find all items that have a certain boolean expression in the tags true?
< 1226533309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops :)
< 1226533394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the expression may vary?
< 1226533407 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1226533475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't we discuss this once before?  possibly without finding a solution
< 1226533489 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so...
< 1226533490 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we = someone on this channel, at least
< 1226533580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm isn't it NP-complete just to find out if there _are_ any hits
< 1226533629 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP-complete?
< 1226533641 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obvious algorith is O(n)
< 1226533644 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n is number of items
< 1226533651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the expression size
< 1226533680 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say the items have _all_ possible combinations of tags on/off
< 1226533735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then finding the hits requires minimally solving SAT for the expression
< 1226533757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not essentially easier than brute force search i think
< 1226533774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means O(n) in the hash table size may be optimal for that case
< 1226533833 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do search engines do it then?
< 1226533835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming there is no essentially better SAT solving algorithm, a famous problem indeed)
< 1226533868 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they rarely allow arbitrary boolean expressions do they?
< 1226533875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google doe
< 1226533875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1226533881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NOT A) and B or (NOT C)
< 1226533902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if the expression is much smaller than log of the hashtable size
< 1226533949 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it would usually be for a web search i should think :D
< 1226534002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see.  so this is essentially how to design part of a search engine...
< 1226534002 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your tags are rather rare, you can have just indices for those items where A, B, ... are true, and then you can do "(not A) and B" by taking the set-difference of B true and A true.
< 1226534022 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: won't work
< 1226534125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it would be a good idea to search relevant literature.
< 1226534163 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what your garden-variety search engine does, though; for example postgres's tsearch2. The documents are turned into lists of words, and then it keeps an index which tells you which documents contain what words.
< 1226534179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is no obvious solution, but google is obviously doing it, then there are probably research articles and/or patents
< 1226534209 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had someone from Google explain their general architecture to me (as a visiting lecturer), but I've mostly forgotten it.
< 1226534279 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would expect them to start with the frequency of each word and then generate a search strategy based on starting with the rarest words
< 1226534301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps even indexing pairs of words
< 1226534353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/i would expect them/my first idea to do such a thing would be/
< 1226534419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google throws away _very_ common words for one thing, perhaps it makes this too hard to do
< 1226534444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wait maybe it doesn't
< 1226534478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they did before.  "the" worked fine now :D
< 1226534494 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to, at least in some point of data, but that changed.
< 1226534516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, i tried "the or and"
< 1226534526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, information retrieval is a field which has had a huge amount of published papers.
< 1226534528 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and interestingly enough, one link was this:
< 1226534541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lib.colostate.edu/tutorials/boolean.html
< 1226534595 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about "searching efficiently" in the sense of getting good results, not in the sense of implementing the search.
< 1226534606 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhh...why don't i get that page?
< 1226534620 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also google guide showed up)
< 1226534638 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you cannot show it?
< 1226534652 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't show up in the google results
< 1226534658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1226534679 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a plain old-fashioned inverted index is the most basic thing used for search-engine-like things. I'm sure there are hueeg improvements to it.
< 1226534689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: well i have norwegian language setting but i don't really see why that should make you lose it entirely
< 1226534707 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's on the second page of results
< 1226534726 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it was the last link on the first page for me
< 1226534737 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1226534754 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, if you have 10^9 items but the tags A and B appear in 10 items each, it's obviously better to just take the intersection of A's and B's rows (which are sets of 10 elements) of the inverted index, instead of iterating through all the 10^9 elements.
< 1226534775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have expected you to get it _higher_ up, since you would have no norwegian hits before it, and it is in english...
< 1226534793 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but in reality you have 10^9 items where tags A and B appear 10^6 times
< 1226534850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's still only around 10^6 operations to do instead of 10^9.
< 1226535127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee google often guesses _wrong_ how many hits there are until you actually look at the last hits page
< 1226535162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means it may actually calculate things lazily, doing only the minimal work to create the pages you view
< 1226535169 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only thing I remember from the Google example is that their huge-ass index is divided into shards hosted by gazillion servers; so you can do those "search for this bit" and "search for that bit" operations in parallel.
< 1226535191 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google is amazing
< 1226535194 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't know how google does their fast approximations, though, given how it needs to get highly-pageranked results first.
< 1226535213 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://labs.google.com/papers/googlecluster-ieee.pdf is mostly about the hardware but also a bit about the software.
< 1226535293 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course you could easily spend an interesting week reading random papers from the few-hundred-item http://research.google.com/pubs/papers.html list.
< 1226535324 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Really asleep now.)
< 1226535373 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the spellchecker is cool
< 1226535397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On average, a single query on Google reads
< 1226535397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hundreds of megabytes of data and consumes
< 1226535399 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tens of billions of CPU cycles."
< 1226535415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O
< 1226535470 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit intarwebs
< 1226535475 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, big
< 1226535598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Konversation terminated!"
< 1226535601 0 :_ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird
< 1226535779 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Reboot"
< 1226535968 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226536889 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | the first version would need to be floppy based for increased pain
< 1226536917 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1226537965 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
< 1226538093 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++[>++++++++<-]>+++[.]
< 1226538093 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC ...
< 1226538097 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1226538255 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hulu.com/watch/1404/saturday-night-live-snl-digital-short-natalie-raps
< 1226538263 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :natalie portman has a erdos number of 5
< 1226538440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- 4
< 1226538467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BWAHAHAHA
< 1226538499 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1226538533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ams.org/mathscinet/collaborationDistance.html
< 1226538642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas there is no separate URL for the result, that i can see
< 1226538651 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a novel idea
< 1226538661 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the concept of an image transformation
< 1226538674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1226538731 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, you don't have a finite bacon number
< 1226538783 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, as i haven't been in any films
< 1226538834 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not the most gorgeous creature to walk the earth ither
< 1226538850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1226538874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially not with this damn rash
< 1226539809 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want an Erdos number.
< 1226539861 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have an erdos number.
< 1226539871 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is OMEGA ZERO
< 1226539871 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. What is it?
< 1226539872 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zing!
< 1226539874 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1226539906 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want an Erdos number of omega + 1.
< 1226539910 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I have a Bacon number.
< 1226539916 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, you know, a finite one.
< 1226539918 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: no it's not, it's undefined
< 1226539929 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on your definition!
< 1226539961 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is, what definition would Erdos use?
< 1226539975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have used
< 1226539980 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my Erdos number is actually the class of all ordinal numbers.
< 1226539990 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an easy way to have a good erdos number.
< 1226539994 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my erdos number is i
< 1226540002 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time travel, hook up Erdos' dad with your mom.
< 1226540011 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bam, Erdos number of zero
< 1226540026 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interview someone with a low Erdos number.
< 1226540052 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if you both sign a piece of paper!
< 1226540070 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask him to help you with your math homework
< 1226540139 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, it's likely that I will never need help with my math homework.
< 1226540164 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just pretend
< 1226540196 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if one of my professors has an Erdos number.
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< 1226540211 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many of us fall under the "will never need help with math homework" category.
< 1226540245 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misinterpret your math homework in some horribly convoluted way and get a collaborator to make a paper out of it
< 1226540246 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones of us who have no math in their education
< 1226540267 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION comes close to falling in that category
< 1226540288 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not having math homework doesn't count, Sgeo.
< 1226540292 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you do fo' school?
< 1226540292 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I needed help once
< 1226540385 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember when i had to do math homework
< 1226540417 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I just remembered that homework in my math class is optional.
< 1226540622 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wonder just how smart we all are.
< 1226540662 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm dumb :(
< 1226540707 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dumb as in "in the bottom half of the top 30 out of 600"?
< 1226540720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am smrt!
< 1226540739 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM SO SMART
< 1226540739 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM SO SMART
< 1226540743 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S-M-R-T
< 1226540785 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't be rude of me to just tell you how smart I am, would it.
< 1226540836 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell us how smart you are, warrie
< 1226540850 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the answer involve pigs and lipstick?
< 1226540934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that somehow seems more relevant to bacon numbers than erdos numbers
< 1226540983 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was on TV once.
< 1226540988 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I have a Bacon number.
< 1226540991 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now wonders how many pigs with lipsticks have bacon numbers
< 1226540996 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, only being precisely tied with one other person for smartest in my class (about 600 high-schoolers), as best I can tell.
< 1226541035 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's annoying that I don't know whether I'm smarter than the other guy or vice versa.
< 1226541086 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it give you a boner to be smart
< 1226541088 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=saru@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226541095 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rarely.
< 1226541099 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I felt a bit esoteric
< 1226541100 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226541103 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wrote an AI
< 1226541105 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C
< 1226541106 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/4y7yOA86.html
< 1226541108 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's well good.
< 1226541128 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wonder whether it's a coincidence that he and I both have two brothers and no sisters, and I am disappointed that his brothers are both very smart and mine are not.
< 1226541146 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feels good man
< 1226541166 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun: WE'RE DOOMED
< 1226541188 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226541211 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*KADOOMED
< 1226541212 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did I miss, if anything?
< 1226541212 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not self-modifying times a constant, it... is sub-optimal.
< 1226541222 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brothers were so smart they didn't even get born
< 1226541237 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's what happened to all my and his sisters.
< 1226541250 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what's the last thing you saw?
< 1226541264 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were born as energy being
< 1226541269 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But don't be too proud.
< 1226541270 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You missed Corun's AI and perhaps other things: http://rafb.net/p/4y7yOA86.html
< 1226541272 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* GreaseMonkey (n=saru@unaffiliated/greasemonkey) has joined #esoteric
< 1226541276 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're only smart because of me.
< 1226541283 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I DID YOUR MOM
< 1226541284 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226541285 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My AI is awesome.
< 1226541291 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who'sd your daddy!
< 1226541303 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<warrie> Rarely.
< 1226541304 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Corun> I felt a bit esoteric
< 1226541304 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Sgeo has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
< 1226541306 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it do?
< 1226541312 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1226541314 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uuh
< 1226541324 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a conversational AI
< 1226541330 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: IT'S SMART DUMBASS
< 1226541338 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 71 lines
< 1226541357 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to compile it
< 1226541357 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 11 threads
< 1226541364 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what does it talk about?
< 1226541368 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-std=c99
< 1226541369 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw :-)
< 1226541369 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it love?
< 1226541372 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun: Whatever you do, don't tell it to make paperclips
< 1226541378 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh
< 1226541379 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh
< 1226541381 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit.
< 1226541417 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't see any wordlists or anything..
< 1226541429 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :71 lines.
< 1226541440 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so smart that it can LEARN TO TALK
< 1226541455 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told it not to make paperclips
< 1226541461 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it responded with "UU$>'SV,TT'<qT)4R,'\<AG"
< 1226541464 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So
< 1226541465 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.
< 1226541468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good.
< 1226541472 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we're ok.
< 1226541481 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmh. How do I compile it, I wonder.
< 1226541493 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc -std=c99 tehfile.c
< 1226541499 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc -std=c99 -lpthread tehfile.c
< 1226541500 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe.
< 1226541505 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on your system really :-)
< 1226541508 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | UU$>'SV,TT'<qT)4R,'\<AG
< 1226541518 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes with gcc -std=c99 -lpthread ai.c
< 1226541524 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..there's no "strip line numbers" link
< 1226541526 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc -std=c99 -pthread -vomit-frame-pointer -fuck-the-damned-loops foo.c
< 1226541532 0 :z8000_!n=z8000@ool-457c3ac4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226541540 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..and selecting makes it work..
< 1226541547 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ai.c:54: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function 'malloc'
< 1226541551 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great.
< 1226541551 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeh
< 1226541551 0 :z8000_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226541552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-vomit-frame-pointer is really something
< 1226541553 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well.
< 1226541565 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's -___f___omit-frame-pointer :P
< 1226541589 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1226541590 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, warrie
< 1226541595 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan
< 1226541597 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think?
< 1226541610 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs it
< 1226541626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's a joke, obviously
< 1226541635 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, well
< 1226541639 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's outputting longer and longer nonsense.
< 1226541655 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1226541656 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1226541656 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.
< 1226541658 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not responding, and my system's slowing down
< 1226541661 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly perfect
< 1226541666 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd suggest not running it for too long
< 1226541667 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an AI, but it doesn't talk your language, warrie
< 1226541670 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uses up a lot of cpu
< 1226541684 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to make it respond
< 1226541685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more the infinite number of monkey type, i take
< 1226541688 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd suggest killing it
< 1226541690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*monkeys
< 1226541700 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You on a crappy OS Sgeo?
< 1226541700 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not running it on my system, so I can use up as much CPU time as I want.
< 1226541711 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun, is Ubuntu 7.04 crappy?
< 1226541717 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: I rent the system, but that doesn't make it mine.)
< 1226541723 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo@ubuntu:~/c$ ./someai
< 1226541723 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%tL
< 1226541736 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it can't handle a process trying to fully utilize the cpu with 11 threads, yes :-P
< 1226541749 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get a lot of errors, if that has anything to do with anything
< 1226541752 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun, was this supposed to do something?
< 1226541755 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No no
< 1226541759 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really.
< 1226541774 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't seriously expect a 71 line of code "AI" to do something, did you?
< 1226541786 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I did.
< 1226541791 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, oh.
< 1226541792 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION expected it might have at least repeated what was put into it
< 1226541798 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you can implement a neural net in that space.
< 1226541806 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be a neural net
< 1226541808 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda
< 1226541815 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really sure
< 1226541822 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just kinda does stuff with numbers in an array
< 1226541826 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After putting "aaaa" into it many times, it seems to be giving me especially many aaaas.
< 1226541833 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, really?
< 1226541835 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cool
< 1226541847 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/noyoucanthaveaneuralnetwork.jpg
< 1226541856 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, you're right warrie
< 1226541858 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome :-D
< 1226541875 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1226541881 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa.
< 1226541882 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does actually do like, some stuff
< 1226541885 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes | ./a.out
< 1226541907 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outputs stuff like this: k;:9w999877jwj7hvqk76w55543jiiuk3guk3hg333g22f1gevpgf11vow00////wwwwvtrtqkwwwwwwwwvwuwuvwtqkwwwwwvvvuvwuvwuwwwwwwuwwwvvvuwuvbtuututttttswvwvwvwutwwvwwvwwvvusvtr
< 1226541915 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting
< 1226541927 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries yes Wolfram Blitzen | ./a.out
< 1226541948 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really stupid. :-)
< 1226541953 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1226541971 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not-very-representative sample: V\Le@\hWTUCflkXWTTTTTSV[WTSVV[[Bldti\ mBkXlthBekWWSSWlfj mBjlfi\leVZi[BfnnmAKaa`_l; l lheBVeVYYeVYeWUCoal_:XdmAJnAm@[aJld`_:lWoheUCcBCdeUC*eUCallmk?ZVYrelojBljr
< 1226541972 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's too chaotic
< 1226541987 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does just randomly mutate "brain"
< 1226541990 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every, uhh, iteration
< 1226541997 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of each of the 11 threads
< 1226542001 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1226542008 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*10
< 1226542038 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I challenge any of you to make a cleverer AI in less lines of code!
< 1226542041 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C code)
< 1226542088 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it can't just echo
< 1226542091 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun : what about a program that repeats what you said, but replaces all vowels with o?
< 1226542096 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No no
< 1226542096 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be shorter!
< 1226542109 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to atleast do something vaguelly AI like
< 1226542112 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And would simulate perfectly a /b/tard
< 1226542127 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does your thing do something AI-like?
< 1226542130 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1226542130 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, artificial stupidity
< 1226542133 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda
< 1226542138 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1226542143 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun, what, you mean like a maze solver?
< 1226542159 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some other game opponent? Because I know that's not the sort of AI you mean
< 1226542170 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've lost me :-P
< 1226542176 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AI is really easy to implement, and will continue to be really easy to implement until I actually try to implement it.
< 1226542179 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a conversational AI in < 71 lines of C
< 1226542183 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Artifical stupidity is easy to do.
< 1226542188 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
< 1226542189 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun, meh at "conversational"
< 1226542202 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is _better_ than this one. But isn't just echo or some other take on echo.
< 1226542225 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know C well enough, can I write one in python and have someone translate it to C?
< 1226542234 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write on in python
< 1226542238 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In less than 50 lines
< 1226542243 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cos that's. like, equivalent
< 1226542258 0 :lightbringer!n=lightbri@c-24-118-111-187.hsd1.mn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226542275 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... Python has indentation!
< 1226542276 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, this is worse than "a take on echo" though..
< 1226542284 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With C, you can do everything in one line
< 1226542299 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh stop nitpickin'
< 1226542306 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I'm hearing are excuses :-P
< 1226542335 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to make his one better
< 1226542353 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, for instance
< 1226542358 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it do conversations
< 1226542364 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's important for a conversational AI
< 1226542386 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fine...
< 1226542389 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to do that
< 1226542432 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it should answer "I AM A CONVERSATIONAL AI BEEP BOOP" for every input
< 1226542442 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-<
< 1226542496 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 lines of an AI that's WORSE than an echo: http://rafb.net/p/XKfd7922.html
< 1226542510 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh damn
< 1226542513 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got owned.
< 1226542544 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo : You win good sir.
< 1226542584 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was going to make it randomly answer "Yes." or "No." but that fails with non yes/no questions
< 1226542656 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1226542657 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In hindsight
< 1226542663 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think 71 lines is enough
< 1226542667 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, then.
< 1226542684 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo : You could make it answer yes or no with sentences beginning with is/are/have/has
< 1226542892 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will make it do that and "do" too
< 1226542906 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^intentionally interpretable dirtily
< 1226542913 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did your mom
< 1226543080 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you alive?
< 1226543080 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1226543080 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you well?
< 1226543080 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1226543080 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you dead?
< 1226543081 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1226543097 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See?
< 1226543100 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is suprised at the fact that it answered the questions in a consistant manner
< 1226543103 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's way better than Corun!
< 1226543123 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask him if he wants ice cream
< 1226543163 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1226543166 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got owned
< 1226543174 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KAbye then.
< 1226543181 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, my prowess is gone
< 1226543185 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no reason to stay
< 1226543187 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226543192 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226543221 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/7ZMDyW92.html
< 1226543255 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should also make a special answer for "Who are you?"
< 1226543267 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would involve a lot of BEEP BOOP
< 1226543311 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, bug
< 1226543322 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1226543323 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1226543323 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really really?
< 1226543323 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1226543366 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's so annoying!
< 1226543449 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me, or the AI?
< 1226543488 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iunno lol
< 1226543497 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are you?
< 1226543497 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am an all-powerful God-Human. You are a rather lame AI
< 1226543577 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea : An AI that only answers "AFK"
< 1226543581 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/jZ5V8k65.html
< 1226543608 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo : That doesn't seem to good
< 1226543621 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "Who's Julius Caesar?"
< 1226543641 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it would say "I don't know." because of the 's
< 1226543657 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :post-clinton, the "'s" is also indeterminate
< 1226543666 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loses
< 1226543693 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You lost the game
< 1226543738 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/zk6haK59.html
< 1226543913 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1226543966 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226544237 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun, want me to msg you what you missed?
< 1226544249 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh
< 1226544252 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, why not
< 1226544343 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1226544345 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome.
< 1226544424 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 148 (No route to host)
< 1226544571 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1226546189 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226546599 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffuck
< 1226547028 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, what's wrong?
< 1226547060 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dying in Fallout 1 is easy
< 1226547064 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no autosaves
< 1226547094 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've got to say, it looks good and didn't age.
< 1226547256 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"rebooting into freebsd"
< 1226547440 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226547778 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226551449 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226551676 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1226555171 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226555175 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226555190 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226555372 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226555396 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226555998 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226557461 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys
< 1226557463 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where besyou
< 1226557467 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol!
< 1226558489 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | print (lambda x:x%x)("(lambda x:x%%x)(%r)")
< 1226558754 0 :lightbringer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226560673 0 :ab5tract!n=ab5tract@pool-71-246-5-13.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226560792 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys!
< 1226560801 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what languages do full propositional logic?
< 1226561079 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolog derivates?
< 1226561901 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no i mean the ones where like
< 1226561922 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do shit like
< 1226561998 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ z : ∀x∃y[y/x = z] }
< 1226562014 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other kinds of normal propositional logic + set theory kind of stuff
< 1226562054 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know they exist
< 1226562082 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just not as easy to code as prolog because of the craziness of logic
< 1226562805 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1226562839 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1226563199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1226563200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226565563 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"So, how much do you love noodles?"
< 1226567591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, "∀x∃y"?
< 1226567602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like Cyrillic here?
< 1226567636 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :universal quantifier on x, existential on y
< 1226567639 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night :P
< 1226567673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning
< 1226567687 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-53.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226567811 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$\forall x \exists y$, in LaTeX-speak.
< 1226567858 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1226567870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1226567935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ok that looks the same, and doesn't explain it at all
< 1226567945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I just lack the knowledge
< 1226568193 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only "real logic" tool I've personally used is Otter -- http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/AR/otter/ -- but that's for theorem-proving, not really programming.
< 1226568520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[+.]
< 1226568520 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	.. !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~��������������������������������������������������������������������������������� ...
< 1226568525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you fungot
< 1226568526 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hit the road, that works only if you ask me.
< 1226568718 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What works?
< 1226568718 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: create function adder(a int(10), b int(10)) returns t
< 1226568893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, gcc optimises the main switch block used for the core instructions in cfunge the same way even if I swap the order of the entries at -O2 and higher
< 1226568906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at -O1 and -O0 it generates different code
< 1226568927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION haven't tried -Os
< 1226577576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226578744 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226579265 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226579368 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.123.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226579434 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 .
< 1226579990 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226580089 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | hi
< 1226580113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi optbot
< 1226580113 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was, obviously, thinking of something completely different.
< 1226580119 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :(
< 1226580695 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1226580724 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1226582405 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226582473 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1226582644 0 :ehird_gobo!i=5b697b3c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3585e9849c57ad78 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226582660 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using konqueror from kde4 ... in twm :S
< 1226583325 0 :ehird_gobo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1226583495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: do you mean predicate logic? you can build sets from within it, so.
< 1226583709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should make noprob++ at some point, noprob + predicate logic.
< 1226583714 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be... confusing.
< 1226583732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :propositional logic is the _easy_ part.  it is merely NP-complete, nothing worse. ;D
< 1226583754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or thereabouts
< 1226583778 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't first order predicate calculus too?
< 1226583805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err.
< 1226583808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt it
< 1226583812 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not, at least pspace
< 1226583821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean it's not semidecidable!
< 1226583857 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and set theory has the full force of godel incompleteness
< 1226583885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm,.
< 1226583924 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite recall but i think predicate calculus must be undecidable too
< 1226583938 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. i don't know much about this. i just thought resolution was a complete search procedure for first order PC.
< 1226583963 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe
< 1226583966 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second-order is, that's for sure.
< 1226583985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need induction to get *numbers*... "tc"
< 1226584002 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, as you can clearly see, going by intuition here, so :P
< 1226584006 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait
< 1226584019 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and induction needs 2nd order pc, naturally
< 1226584023 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you encode combinator calculus in predicate calculus?
< 1226584034 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just equations, after all
< 1226584044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it _must_ be undecidable
< 1226584057 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1226584063 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds trueish.
< 1226584089 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a complete search procedure may only find what's provable, after all, not everything needs to be decidable
< 1226584095 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess you're right, can't stress enough that i don't know absolutely anything.
< 1226584117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by completeness i meant it's complete both ways.
< 1226584216 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all x,y,z :  S x y z = x z (y z) and K x y = x
< 1226584255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just predicate logic with functions.  and functions can be recoded into relations.
< 1226584304 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that sounds about right
< 1226584314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :combinators are so great
< 1226584317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i was one
< 1226584346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you are
< 1226584355 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the Matrix
< 1226584382 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
< 1226584410 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like the way pc does functions
< 1226584854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later"
< 1226586030 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.123.60 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226586087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird
< 1226586107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, just wondering, how long have you been using gobolinux?
< 1226586131 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since yesterday. i fucked up kde because i'm a retard.
< 1226586137 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm talking to you via the console about to set it compiling.
< 1226586186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226586194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, do you still like gobolinux? :)
< 1226586207 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. and i still hate X.
< 1226586228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes I can see what you mean, but doesn't xorg support auto detection these days?
< 1226586263 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, except it fails at getting my scrollwheel to work.
< 1226586277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and: no I don't/won't use it, since as you pointed out I prefer the old way
< 1226586278 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, technically messing up KDE was my fault, but i'm blaming it on KDE.
< 1226586284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should be the way you prefer :)
< 1226586297 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I hate X, anyway, so KDE might as well get some of the anger.
< 1226586303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226586314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what did you do to poor KDE?
< 1226586339 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed a binary package of 4.0.something which is apparently unstable and nobody actually knows where that binary came from, I should have checked up before doing that
< 1226586346 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I get Konqueror running in TWM.
< 1226586348 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226586348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226586354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't 4.1 released?
< 1226586356 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1226586361 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm compiling it in 3..2...1
< 1226586378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes 4.0, don't you know where you got it youself?
< 1226586381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yourself*
< 1226586393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, where "you had it"
< 1226586394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1226586418 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have checked what KDE version was stable, what binary packages hadn't magically appeared due to faeries, etc.
< 1226586435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right. Well we all make mistakes from time to time.
< 1226586442 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now I get to wait for it to compile the whole of KDE!
< 1226586444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there no binary packages of 4.1 or whatever is the last one?
< 1226586447 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo! That certainly won't take hours!
< 1226586454 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Apparently not. I could make one, I guess.
< 1226586455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, what are your specs?
< 1226586471 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Intel Core 2 Duo @2.17ghz (iirc), 1GB of RAM
< 1226586477 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest should be wholly irrelevant to compiling :P
< 1226586496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling KDE 3.5 here on a 2 GHz Sempron takes around 5 hours in total for kdelibs, kdebase, kdesdk and parts of the other packages
< 1226586505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should be faster for you
< 1226586510 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 hours
< 1226586511 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch.
< 1226586521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well this is a single core sempron
< 1226586527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 128 kb L2 cache
< 1226586538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet your cpu is quite a bit better
< 1226586543 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I have irssi and w3m. I'll be fine.
< 1226586548 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do with an IM client, though.
< 1226586554 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1226586555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is w3m-mode for emacs btw
< 1226586558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1226586562 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know.
< 1226586567 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a window manager for xemacs.
< 1226586574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, haven't tried it
< 1226586583 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr, w3m needs to let me set an artificial width for page rendering.
< 1226586585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably moving to awesomwm rather than KDE4
< 1226586599 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiny fonts + 21" widescreen = awful reading experience.
< 1226586605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes I can see
< 1226586613 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the GoboLinux console font is a bit ugly.
< 1226586616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um set dpi in xorg.conf?
< 1226586620 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: xorg?
< 1226586622 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on the console.
< 1226586625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1226586628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you saw twm?
< 1226586632 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The console is preferable to twm, AnMaster.
< 1226586635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaa
< 1226586639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I can see your point
< 1226586652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226586665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :framebuffer console?
< 1226586675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if yes links -g could work okish
< 1226586682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a large font iirc
< 1226586695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugly though
< 1226586695 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Framebuffer, I assume, since w3m is rendering images.
< 1226586697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit that
< 1226586700 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't have links :p
< 1226586716 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not installing it, I don't know if Compile would barf if I run two instances at once.
< 1226586719 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dpkg does.)
< 1226586726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226586734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<advert>
< 1226586742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo Portage handles multiple instances fine
< 1226586744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :</advert>
< 1226586760 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile probably does too, but I'm allowed to be careful when I'm donating hours and hours to compile KDE>
< 1226586764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it uses lock files for when it is merging from the fake install root to the actual real file system)
< 1226586770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, agreed
< 1226586817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I would be careful too. I certainly was until I found out gentoo handles it just fine
< 1226586825 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the Linux kernel devs would accept my hypothetical patch to allow proportional fonts on the console. :P
< 1226586849 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if they would they might as well accept my other patch, "rm -rf console; ln -s X11 console"
< 1226586876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely not. IIRC the "non-graphic" OS X mode (use odd key combo I forgot) is monospace iirc
< 1226586900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ever looked at ls output in a non-monospace font?
< 1226586907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other ones.
< 1226586919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very often the output is very hard to read
< 1226586925 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's why it'd be optional.
< 1226586929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since almost all programs are coded for monospace
< 1226586934 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proportional; w3m; proportional off
< 1226586935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a better idea:
< 1226586940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add <font> tags to console
< 1226586940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226586943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs
< 1226586945 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better idea: rm -rf console; ln -s X11 console
< 1226586949 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then
< 1226586957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, still, RTC: Rich Text Console
< 1226586957 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -rf X11; ln -s /OSX/Quartz X11
< 1226586964 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Profit
< 1226586970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for apple yes
< 1226586974 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1226586985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since everyone would need to buy their stuff to get that
< 1226587044 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, Qt doesn't want to compile.
< 1226587048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1226587054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what error?
< 1226587058 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come all my linux usage ends up being stereotypical to the max? :-P
< 1226587060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be able to help
< 1226587067 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It thinks the compiler isn't supported.
< 1226587070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um I don't have such problems on gentoo
< 1226587074 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ://Long/Path/Here/linux-g++
< 1226587081 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm just unlucky
< 1226587082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, with what message?
< 1226587085 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Simply that
< 1226587092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"checking if compiler is GCC"?
< 1226587093 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Compiler not supported, read the qt readme you moron"
< 1226587105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226587105 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no
< 1226587112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :report a bug to gobolinux I guess
< 1226587118 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've asked in #gobolinux.
< 1226587122 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could use a Qt binary pkg.
< 1226587133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm what gcc version?
< 1226587147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you have several installed, is QT using the right one?
< 1226587150 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.1.2. I'm going to mass-upgrade the distribution overnight; so it's a bit old.
< 1226587153 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes.
< 1226587157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1226587173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.1.2 isn't that old.
< 1226587189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what qt version?
< 1226587215 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to install 4.4.x, the binary package is 4.3.x.
< 1226587225 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qt takes ages to compile, I know this... so I'm leaning to the binary package
< 1226587274 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how the UK's national id card scheme is getting along. Freeeeeeedommmmmmmm
< 1226587283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes qt 4 is really slow to compile
< 1226587346 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW.
< 1226587352 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The compiled Qt is SEVENTY SEVEN MEGABYTES
< 1226587368 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226587373 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloat much?
< 1226587436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1226587441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, stripped?
< 1226587446 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1226587452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok yes I agree
< 1226587476 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downloading @ 800KB/sec, though.
< 1226587479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, which is why I'm going to leave KDE after my distro declares 3.5.x as end of life
< 1226587493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going for awesomewm
< 1226587510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably wouldn't like it
< 1226587527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://awesome.naquadah.org/
< 1226587539 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allllll done
< 1226587544 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I know about awesomewm.
< 1226587549 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But KDE4 looks really nice.
< 1226587552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226587562 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to fix everything I didn't like about KDE, although that's probably everything you liked.
< 1226587575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I expect you to complain at least twice about how it is just a bad copy of the special effects in OS X ;P
< 1226587587 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's Beryl/Compiz/whatever it's called now.
< 1226587591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1226587616 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. The binary Qt is too old.
< 1226587617 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226587622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my
< 1226587658 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers patch to w3m to run flash.
< 1226587663 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUTUBE ON THE CONSOLE
< 1226587714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226587745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how well would you say gobolinux handles dependencies between packages?
< 1226587761 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfectly; I haven't seen any problems so far.
< 1226587767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1226587768 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just has a list of dependencies/versions and recursively calls itself for them.
< 1226587803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have bad experience with for example debian when it comes to that, issues figuring out exactly what version is needed and so on
< 1226587829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh and portage handles it perfectly too)
< 1226587847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226587853 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian do their best shot; it's just a problem because they have such a comprehensive package base
< 1226587861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, could be a reason
< 1226587871 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226587880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yum sucked when I last tried, it was a few years ago, no idea how it is these days
< 1226587884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm do you want bleeding edge?
< 1226587896 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Debian is too steeped in the past, anyway; RPM/APT are pretty much the worst packaging systems that anyone actually uses today :-P
< 1226587900 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from Cygwin's package manager. That is awful.
< 1226587907 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not really.
< 1226587922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is what you want really then Arch Linux should be quite interesting for you. For example on Arch Linux GCC 4.3.2 hit stable about 4 days after upstream released it
< 1226587925 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if a program's been out for, say, 5 months, I expect it to be in.
< 1226587925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1226587932 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So: Up-to-date, but not bleeding-edge alphas.
< 1226587938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually kernel takes a week or two
< 1226587940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on arch
< 1226587978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and not alphas, but I mean fast getting packages into the stable version
< 1226587978 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's a bit too bleeding-edge for my tastes.
< 1226587993 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, a system which is constantly updated to the very bleeding edge would be ... interesting ...
< 1226588020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah then you would like the other end of arch linux. libcap is on version 1.10 or so iirc. But all other distros are around 2.11
< 1226588027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a lazy package maintainer
< 1226588029 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1226588038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and libcap 1.x is for 2.4 kernels
< 1226588044 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macports is pretty good in my experience
< 1226588054 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their maintainers keep spontaneously disappearing, though.
< 1226588059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm gobolinux is rolling release right=
< 1226588061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226588066 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define?
< 1226588072 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean, constantly updated
< 1226588077 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a snapshot as a release?
< 1226588081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in you don't need to wait for a new release to get anything but bugfixes
< 1226588085 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it is
< 1226588090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and releases are just snapshots for easy install yeah
< 1226588100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right that is a MAJOR requirement for me
< 1226588102 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any other kind of distro is just paranoia
< 1226588111 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but what if it breaks?" Test it, stupid.
< 1226588112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolling release are the only maintainable ones
< 1226588122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because on them upgrading is easy
< 1226588125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is so common
< 1226588127 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run Ubuntu on eso-std.org, though.
< 1226588148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while for example ubuntu and such in my experience tends to be a bit of a pain to upgrade to a new release
< 1226588153 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'd rather have it certain to be stable and reliably-the-same than be on the cutting edge with it
< 1226588157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least on a running remote system
< 1226588172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i have done remote freebsd upgrades a few times
< 1226588184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes rolling release makes it all much simpler
< 1226588187 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can actually run any distro on Slicehost as long as it works with the kernel they have (They give you a list of distros, due to their Xen setup, so they can auto setup them)
< 1226588200 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to install it into a chroot, then methodically rip out the current system and put the stuff from the chroot in.
< 1226588203 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then reboot and hope it still runs.
< 1226588207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch linux, gentoo linux, and (as you said) gobolinux are all rolling release
< 1226588208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1226588217 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not crazy enough to try, though
< 1226588221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226588259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard of a nice way to do that for hosting only installing certain distros on dedis
< 1226588270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could ask them for specific partitioning scheme
< 1226588278 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226588290 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cool thing is, slicehost actually unofficially endorse the crazy method
< 1226588291 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1226588293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the person who told me about this asked them to put an 1 GB partition at the end of the disk with debian, and have the rest as home
< 1226588302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he reversed it installing gentoo on the big one
< 1226588306 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have expected them to put huge THIS WILL VOID YOUR WARRANTY or sth on it
< 1226588311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and converting the last GB to swap
< 1226588314 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lol
< 1226588325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no I wouldn't use gentoo on a server
< 1226588330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use FreeBSD
< 1226588367 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xen doesn't work very well with BSD right now, unfortunately
< 1226588370 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no BSDs on slices.
< 1226588374 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use DragonflyBSD
< 1226588381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226588383 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it has some neato stuff.
< 1226588387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1226588394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as?
< 1226588397 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Freezing processes to disk, then restarting them from that
< 1226588412 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A replacement to "chroot-as-secure-hole", jails
< 1226588416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm useful for debugging and for a laptop user
< 1226588420 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some other stuff.
< 1226588423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err freebsd have jails
< 1226588428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was freebsd that invented them
< 1226588435 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I believe they stole that from dragonfly, actually
< 1226588440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1226588441 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, dragonfly has a variation on them
< 1226588442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles
< 1226588444 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1226588450 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i know that dragonfly's is different :-P
< 1226588470 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of the "conventional" BSDs, i'd use netbsd.
< 1226588483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DragonFly BSD is a free Unix-like operating system created as a fork of FreeBSD 4.8"
< 1226588487 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1226588488 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host
< 1226588488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226588494 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the lead devs of FreeBSD forked i t.
< 1226588529 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glibc = slow ass-compile.
< 1226588530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I think freebsd based it on an idea from solaris
< 1226588535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsure though
< 1226588542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to find where he read that
< 1226588550 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solaris seems to have all the neat stuff
< 1226588554 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that trace thing, that xfs thing, etc
< 1226588564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The jail(8) utility and jail(2) system call first appeared in FreeBSD 4.0."
< 1226588570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that predates 4.8 at least
< 1226588634 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226588680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes solaris containers
< 1226588709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not sure which was first
< 1226588721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeBSD 4
< 1226588721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.0-RELEASE appeared in March 2000 and the last 4-STABLE branch release was 4.11 in January 2005. FreeBSD 4 was a favorite operating system for ISPs and web provider during the first .com bubble, and is widely regarded as one of the most stable and high performance operating systems of the whole Unix lineage.
< 1226588722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226588724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226588734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia claims solaris containers showed up in 2005
< 1226588740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess freebsd was first
< 1226588907 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a Linux distro a while ago written by a guy who uses it as his main OS; it was the Linux kernel but with a BSD userspace instead of GNU
< 1226588911 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and similar
< 1226588919 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looked very neat, it was called heretix iirc
< 1226588932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I heard of a few similar things before
< 1226588944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some just for seeing "is it possible" and some serious
< 1226588967 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had an incredibly spaced apart release, iirc from 2000-2008 fit in about 7 lines, one per release.
< 1226588981 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So less than 1 release a year, he seemed to just develop it when he ran into issues with it personally.
< 1226588995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226589010 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There also seemed to be a gap 2003-2005, iirc, with no releases.
< 1226589044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=heretix <--?
< 1226589070 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't click links.
< 1226589072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :url for website doesn't work
< 1226589073 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Console irssi. :P
< 1226589079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, gpm?
< 1226589084 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, no.
< 1226589085 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not the one.
< 1226589106 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Sec.
< 1226589174 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mastodon.biz
< 1226589191 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, the newest release is 7 years old
< 1226589195 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i underestimated
< 1226589215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"roll to one of the super-bloated newer Linux kernels or write my own USB stack plus SATA and UDMA drivers for 2.0.28"?
< 1226589217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeargh
< 1226589239 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how he doesn't use ELF or glibc, it's a kind of radical because-I-canism that often leads to good things.
< 1226589240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well clearly he is way worse than me when it comes to disliking new technology
< 1226589266 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not really, I've used some of his other software projects...
< 1226589270 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He just seems very opinionated.
< 1226589271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226589283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does it say he doesn't use ELF?
< 1226589288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does he use instead?
< 1226589290 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the part where it says it's completely a.out
< 1226589309 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1226589311 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the systems programs, apparently
< 1226589312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well he got issues then, the Linux kernel is planning to drop a.out support soon iirc
< 1226589315 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess you can _build_ programs as ELF
< 1226589336 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: iirc, he maintained a set of patches to update the old unix libc so it still worked on modern systems
< 1226589339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226589341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226589343 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt he'd have problems with porting it across all the time :-P
< 1226589346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly not an issue for him then yeah
< 1226589366 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try Linux From Scratch sometime.
< 1226589400 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, apparently I need a kernel update for gcc.
< 1226589416 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how long does it take to compile the kernel
< 1226589457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm well I do a manual kernel, a standard kernel would have to include more modules to support different hardware and such
< 1226589469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for me, about 15-20 minutes
< 1226589486 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best thing is, Gobolinux lets you just skip a dependency.
< 1226589491 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm gonan do that and hope for the best.
< 1226589491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226589498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what kernel version do you have now?
< 1226589515 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.6.24.4
< 1226589521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that old really
< 1226589524 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.
< 1226589541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to think what on earth got added after that which would be needed for gcc
< 1226589548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226589550 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps i should learn some nice assembly, like ppc assembly, and write something like colorforth in 100 lines.
< 1226589558 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then write a TCP stack in 50 lines of the crazy language I make
< 1226589559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a direct dependency of gcc?
< 1226589562 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a web browser in 300 lines
< 1226589566 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Use system forever
< 1226589570 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Dunno.
< 1226589571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a dependency of for example linux-headers
< 1226589576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be needed for glibc
< 1226589577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1226589600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you got newer kernel headers in /usr/include that you have kernel you could potentially run into issues
< 1226589611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it tries to use a newer feature than exists on the current kernel
< 1226589615 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1226589626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly used for glibc
< 1226589638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if glibc is going to be compiled I would definitely update kernel first
< 1226589656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and compare the linux headers version with the kernel version
< 1226589678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other than that it should work fine to wait with kernel upgrade I guess
< 1226589685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however: IANATM
< 1226589694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I Am Not A Toolchain Maintainer)
< 1226589712 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about you but my nick is oklopol
< 1226589715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so insert clause of no liability and so on
< 1226589724 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I an atom
< 1226589727 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IANATM
< 1226589734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1226589780 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOO GCC COMPILING GCC
< 1226589789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes it will bootstrap itself
< 1226589792 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FREE HOT GCC SELF-PLEASURE ACTION
< 1226589795 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XXXCOMPILERS.COM
< 1226589798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1226589975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also doesn't gobolinux provide binary packages for last gcc and so on?
< 1226589986 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary = 4.3
< 1226589997 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, um, not exactly ancient, but Qt sucks ass, apparently.
< 1226590000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err 4.3 is last, well 4.3.2 is
< 1226590022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or the actual issue is something else
< 1226590029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which would suck yes)
< 1226590069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however one good thing: Once you got all the stuff set up, you can usually run the upgrades in one terminal and do something else while it compiles
< 1226590071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do it that way
< 1226590095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since your is dual core (right?) it would hardly even be noticeable on responsiveness
< 1226590102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck I don't notice it on a single core system
< 1226590151 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to run the mass-upgrade overnight.
< 1226590161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1226590685 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qt compile time
< 1226590693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck
< 1226590716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about that BSD/Linux
< 1226590721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his other projects
< 1226590726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm impressed
< 1226590737 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same problem
< 1226590739 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1226590748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, likely the cause is something else
< 1226590753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any configure.log or such
< 1226590754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226590767 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1226590769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it uses autotools there would be config.log iirc
< 1226590774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Discount
< 1226590774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    My implementation of John Gruber’s Markdown markup language. This implementation is written in C, so I can use it without having to install a modern vanity language."
< 1226590801 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, he seems to dislike most non-C, non-shell languges.
< 1226590802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I see
< 1226590804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Markdown requires Perl 5.6.0 or later. Welcome to the 21st Century. Markdown also requires the standard Perl library module Digest::MD5, which is probably already installed on your server."
< 1226590808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226590815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl is a "modern vanity language"
< 1226590819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1226590820 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently
< 1226590826 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his weblog software is written in C
< 1226590830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would never think if it like that
< 1226590831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl I mean
< 1226590832 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why anyone would write a CGI in C I don't know, but :D
< 1226590847 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, he said that his latest distro release was "not that recent" = 7 years
< 1226590858 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, that's a bit of sarcasm, but I imagine he's been using these computery things before Perl was around
< 1226590875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, about cgi in C: maybe to implement a scripting language. but that doesn't apply to his case
< 1226590907 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python can do CGIs, but it isn't a CGI written in C. :-P
< 1226590914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1226590930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I said "but that doesn't apply to his case"
< 1226590936 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering CGIs are just a couple of environment vars that you get, and you just echo out an http response.
< 1226590938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he isn't writing a scripting interpreter
< 1226590945 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1226590955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, yes except no one uses that any more because it is so inefficient
< 1226590967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days there are things like fastcgi, or mod_foo and so on
< 1226590970 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I use it for the occasional trivial hack
< 1226590979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1226590993 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly I use the language-specific solutions because they tend to be better at it than fastcgi; e.g. mod_passenger for Ruby, mod_wsgi for Python
< 1226591005 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not mod_ruby or mod_python, which are both terrible - go figure)
< 1226591011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh
< 1226591062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cwatch
< 1226591062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Cwatch is a log watcher much like the well-known swatch utility. Unlike swatch, cwatch is written in lex, yacc, and C, so it can run on a system that doesn’t have perl (or, as in my case, on a system where I don’t have the dynamic linking capacity that modern versons of perl require.)"
< 1226591069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is wrong with dynamic linking?
< 1226591082 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, dynamic linking has caused me tons of problems.
< 1226591084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of those security hacks, like randomization of addresses require dynamic linking even
< 1226591087 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan 9 has no dynamic linking, either, it's all static
< 1226591096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well ok, but everyone use it these days
< 1226591102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the benefits
< 1226591104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well windows doesn't
< 1226591111 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: everyone also uses ELF and GNU and Perl
< 1226591116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes
< 1226591129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to be frank: I don't see the issue with ELF of Perl
< 1226591136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU I *can* see issues with
< 1226591142 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan9's solution is unixy; you static-link the important stuff and the rest is in commands.
< 1226591152 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ELF, iirc, is bloated compared to a.out
< 1226591159 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure of his exact gripe, though.
< 1226591171 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl presumably because as he said he can't install Perl, due to no dynamic linkin
< 1226591172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes it got a certain amount of metadata overhead
< 1226591174 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1226591193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but considering modern binaries... it is an insignificant amount
< 1226591225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like much less than 1 KB compared to a binary of often over 30 KB at least
< 1226591231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if GNU more than 100 KB
< 1226591254 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, ask him. :p
< 1226591266 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a.out files are faster to run/load.
< 1226591284 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps he just sees the features of ELF compared to a.out as not needed.
< 1226591286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I never thought I would end up arguing on the same side as ehird in that question
< 1226591304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I didn't think anyone could be much more prefer the old way than me heh
< 1226591319 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were a liberal, anyway, isn't that a bit paradoxical? :p
< 1226591334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1226591337 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old things are old
< 1226591339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean politically?
< 1226591362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather not discuss that. Suffice to say that liberal may be too much to the right for my taste
< 1226591381 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think liberal actually has any fine pin-pointing, but whatever.
< 1226591392 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you've said you like socialism in the past, so I guess far-left. I'm pretty much the same.
< 1226591402 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a birdie told me AnMaster is a socialist
< 1226591417 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: a birdie known as clog?
< 1226591433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i think it was AnMaster.
< 1226591441 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog is the logger
< 1226591442 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1226591458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I guess it depends on what issues it is
< 1226591476 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION supports ABORTING EVERY NEWBORN BABY & KITTEN
< 1226591494 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :socialism doesn't really work for me, i don't really give a shit about people i don't know, and i don't even like the idea of a society where people are nice to strangers.
< 1226591496 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it disturbing
< 1226591498 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, aborting them POST-BIRTH
< 1226591507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of opinion. Liberal I guess when it comes to that.
< 1226591515 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the humane thing to do, because you know whether they deserve it
< 1226591531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk for a while
< 1226591537 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they aren't born yet, who knows, they could be really cool guys.
< 1226591544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, really cool.
< 1226591557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just awful.
< 1226591577 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1226591638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1226591644 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was doing something, i'm sure
< 1226591652 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i'm staring at this window and have no clue.
< 1226591661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess i'll socialize a bit
< 1226591665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1226591665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird
< 1226591666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it going?
< 1226591673 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1226591676 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool i guess
< 1226591688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how cool? need a blanket?
< 1226591701 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are not oerjan
< 1226591709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like gimme-some-hot-tea-or-i'll-most-surely-die cool?
< 1226591720 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not?
< 1226591730 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well heck, what am i doing here then :\
< 1226591734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1226593215 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1226593352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523|direct
< 1226593358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1226594408 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1226594408 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
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< 1226594680 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guten[nag/dag] world
< 1226594784 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAG NAG
< 1226594831 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which language is it "nag"? O_o
< 1226594857 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GORMON
< 1226594872 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he means "nacht" or something
< 1226594883 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering if anybody would actually say or write that
< 1226594905 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone got either of the following: A good way to validate a large prime (found with probably miller-rabin), an arbitrary precision calculator so I can see the number in all its glory?
< 1226594906 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was obvious what it meant :-P
< 1226594931 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: if you answer my question I might be able to run something through Mathematica
< 1226594956 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(afrikaans)
< 1226594962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew it
< 1226594993 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but evidently "guten" doesn't fit in
< 1226594999 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "goeie"
< 1226595051 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiato: anyhoo, I've got Mathematica here... so what are you looking for
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< 1226595074 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:<
< 1226595100 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yip, nicely done :P
< 1226595135 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goeienag, and "snags" means funny or in the evening
< 1226595206 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, IRC client seems to be having some bad delays)
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< 1226595253 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about that Deewiant, Pidign's IRC is dying
< 1226595281 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not dead. What was this quesiton that I should answer?
< 1226595294 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already answered it with "afrikaans" :-)
< 1226595322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1226595327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how goes stuff?
< 1226595334 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. Then perhaps you might be able to run 3^2521 -2 through Mathematica for me?
< 1226595355 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226595357 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, that's a tiny number, all too easy :-P
< 1226595370 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :66478796450889882937915975072813026539507576193402750526873297432119962224642117697219503382301330355047976113745824270903602329332161174576135552602173854297305538263330207230078187030679151177348747502892260949055429524724529301567307108189680225162226220405876105939921908744539875799782857201748186068248330693464490504074543525642597576445339082810885745581185402915395442133718406239632547971222498562638212574353711158105923192118705598166683582404
< 1226595371 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol! :D Well, in that case :P
< 1226595376 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :44999945951305275385112133493371508826394490679609109227534237764060131571928075430416911840882836753074732482507345880974398805950602433590637696036075148851407585332923838239726403418149714502307108083034929437313801039719746183968015332703268731287381514837788933821418626391959087957344640857464802443995702465243624042634594729865724564322979967970112323691163488583513564666359520981358727859643686500018828569529703568272721740614434763305472853925
< 1226595377 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, awesome, thanks :D
< 1226595382 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :51921038453893239515977131635925752931423550512603272087608800954436545497189268218875057633342317563395219199506400913166248245405520867428314613778858986060570975429236265467079808998631080351307401919284358880660711375210653975341720517847689216821848101278129662281995532069183363384503201
< 1226595388 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the result came instantaneously
< 1226595390 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lol, there was more :) )
< 1226595390 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even a page of output
< 1226595400 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, guys, we're in the future
< 1226595402 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1203 digits in all
< 1226595406 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computers have infinite power
< 1226595417 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: and you wanted to know if it's prime?
< 1226595420 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, damn, oh well, my programme is still chugging away, hopefully it will come up with something large soon :P
< 1226595428 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, if you can Deewiant
< 1226595434 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: it is
< 1226595435 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I doubt you can't now)
< 1226595440 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1.047 Second, True}
< 1226595444 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use this :
< 1226595445 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (prime? x)
< 1226595445 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (define (prime y)
< 1226595445 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    (if (> y 1)
< 1226595445 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        (if (= (modulo x y) 0)
< 1226595445 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :            #f
< 1226595447 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :            (prime (- y 1)))
< 1226595449 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        #t))
< 1226595451 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, that was fast, what is this programme?
< 1226595451 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (if (> x 1)
< 1226595453 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      (prime (- x 1))
< 1226595453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah:
< 1226595455 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      #f))
< 1226595456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will be a bit slow
< 1226595457 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226595459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for such a huge number.
< 1226595463 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iunno
< 1226595465 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see
< 1226595466 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, what language might that be? (Lisp?)
< 1226595470 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme
< 1226595472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: That's scheme.
< 1226595478 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess it works in lisp
< 1226595479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant's system is Mathematica
< 1226595482 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematica
< 1226595484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: it doesn't
< 1226595494 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference?
< 1226595505 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah, the only functional language I know (and by now i mean have met) is Haskell. Thanks Deewiant, will take a look now
< 1226595517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Everything.
< 1226595528 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as? :o
< 1226595529 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: well, this number is small enough that this should be fairly doable in Haskell as well ;-)
< 1226595571 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, not gonna try - not with GHC at least. All the error codes are encrypted using AES, can't make heads or tails of them
< 1226595655 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's been a minute and it's still checking for primolarity :o
< 1226595685 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsurprisingly enough :-P
< 1226595730 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, what have we got you into Slereah? :P
< 1226595735 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: you do realize that you're going to have to loop through N iterations where N is a number with over a thousand digits
< 1226595743 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's been established that it /is/ prime
< 1226595755 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you just loop to the approx Sqrt?
< 1226595759 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orly?
< 1226595760 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lol
< 1226595761 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: if you want to take a head start, start from the square root
< 1226595767 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too late :o
< 1226595770 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not
< 1226595773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl-c
< 1226595774 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is
< 1226595776 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up
< 1226595776 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big x
< 1226595776 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you start from the square root now
< 1226595781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your system resources.
< 1226595782 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll be a LOT further than you are now :-P
< 1226595784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call me back in 500 years
< 1226595787 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or loop TO the square root
< 1226595789 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, warning
< 1226595792 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude
< 1226595799 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you take the square root
< 1226595802 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once ran a prime checker for Mesrene primes.
< 1226595802 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll take forever.
< 1226595807 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't take 500 years
< 1226595808 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With that algorithm?
< 1226595811 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barely a few months
< 1226595814 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1226595816 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha
< 1226595822 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer my one second
< 1226595823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, just let Slereah burn his system
< 1226595827 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program was called "Prime something something"
< 1226595835 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I stopped it
< 1226595840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIME SOMETHING SOMETHING
< 1226595841 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prime95?
< 1226595850 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't use that algorithm, I assure you :-P
< 1226595852 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1226595856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah um
< 1226595856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1226595859 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not that stupid :-P
< 1226595872 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, again, they prefer 'few months' to '500 years' :-P
< 1226595889 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.mersenne.org/gimps/t/status.txt
< 1226595892 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Miller-Rabin is my bet
< 1226595895 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be on that webpage
< 1226595910 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it no more exists
< 1226595923 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I just checked one number, and it wasn't even prime
< 1226595950 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, considering they're getting the 50 000 smackers for finding the 46th mersenne prime, what's a few CPU cycles?
< 1226595981 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I checked 2 or so numbers with prime95
< 1226595982 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they are, not the users :o
< 1226595986 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, not prime either :-P
< 1226596004 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1226596019 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Shame, Slereah2: but you get your name in lights
< 1226596043 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the odds anyway, of finding a mersenne prime if you randomly strike odd powers of two?
< 1226596084 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua : To know the odds, you need to know the distribution of primes.
< 1226596093 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not sure you can solve that problem!
< 1226596095 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR we can just look at the history.
< 1226596109 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, isn't the minimum distribution of primes in an interval given by a formula?
< 1226596116 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iunno
< 1226596116 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many numbers have been tested, how many were prime.
< 1226596119 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, generalisations
< 1226596130 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(read: averages)
< 1226596134 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant : Well, for that to work, you have to assume a somehow uniform distribution
< 1226596143 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1226596168 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or depends on what you mean by 'work'. We'll get a value, it's probably not correct but at least it's something :-P
< 1226596188 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, looks like they don't go in order
< 1226596210 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_number#Distribution
< 1226596292 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess GIMPS doesn't publish how many numbers they've tested :-/
< 1226596323 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a side not, I can only get my hands on Maxima (http://maxima.sourceforge.net/) in place of Mathematic, unless I be a pirrrate. Is it as good (should anyone know)?
< 1226596336 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not as good.
< 1226596346 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica is the best program out there for some things
< 1226596369 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica and Matlab are the two top programs for basically 99% of things that can be done that you might want to do :-P
< 1226596387 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blarg, oh well, I gues I just most certainly will not obtain it illegally
< 1226596397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1226596402 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica
< 1226596403 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: Scilab is a free program similar to Matlab.
< 1226596408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: are you sure?
< 1226596423 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As good?
< 1226596424 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: No, I haven't proved it or anything. :-)
< 1226596438 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: I'm not sure.
< 1226596451 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My school's computers all have Mathematica 6 installed :-)
< 1226596453 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know those languages, but that sounds like a lie
< 1226596456 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll give it a bash though, thanks
< 1226596491 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, and Maple is another popular one.
< 1226596493 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, there's were you luck Deewiant, my schools PC's don't even have calculator, well at least you acn't get to it (well, you're not supposed to be able to anyway)
< 1226596509 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you're lucky
< 1226596516 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, you're stuck to Windows? I feel your pain :-)
< 1226596528 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed :(
< 1226596555 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica is reputedly the best for symbolic computation, Matlab is faster for numerical stuff
< 1226596571 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R is what statisticians prefer
< 1226596599 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: oh, and see also Octave, another Matlab clone
< 1226596604 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Them Mathematica is hard to use though
< 1226596617 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nifty and all, but it's hard to find errors
< 1226596620 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Primes? Perfect. You see: 2008/11/13 @ 06:28:31 PM : 3^2521-2 was the last Prime it came up with, it now being 7:19
< 1226596646 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidently Maple is more like Mathematica
< 1226596649 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger that, will check it out (something tell's me I've used Sciab before)
< 1226596698 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw some good benchmarks many months ago, am trying to dig up
< 1226596758 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Going to try Octave first)
< 1226596801 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :School computers appear to have matlab as well
< 1226596815 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just test that one number and see what kind of speeds come out :-P
< 1226596823 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, aren't you the lucky one?
< 1226596826 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go for it :D
< 1226596848 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if I knew how to use this thing
< 1226596853 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Are you connecting to a virtual school network from home?)
< 1226596863 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSH to a school computer, yep
< 1226596875 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's where I'm running my IRC client as well :-)
< 1226596893 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NICE! Damn, would I kill for that (hell, we don't even have a functioning website let alone telnet and co)
< 1226596921 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :South Africa?
< 1226596941 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :(
< 1226596947 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whois?
< 1226597025 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1226597092 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think I'd need to run matlab in X to actually see the results :-/
< 1226597107 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the profiler doesn't seem to work on the console
< 1226597133 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. Wouldn't know :P What distro do you use?
< 1226597169 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me, the school :-) Ubuntu
< 1226597189 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, doesn't matter
< 1226597192 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? Error using ==> isprime at 22
< 1226597192 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The maximum value of X allowed is 2^32.
< 1226597199 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, that's why matlab is faster :-)
< 1226597220 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now how do I pull arbitrary precision out of this thing
< 1226597224 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so you're on Windoze at home? I suppose if you're a gamer then it's alright. HAHA, yay, my puny number broke something :P Well, I know now, thanks :P
< 1226597270 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I use windows at home, although my laptop is mainly gentoo (dual boot there)
< 1226597322 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hmm, looks like matlab can't do this at all
< 1226597330 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1226597346 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot be, but I guess it's much like GHC in it's cryptic-ness
< 1226597376 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We know it's prime, and that's all that matters, so 7 interations of Miller-Rabin is good enough for at least about 1000 odd digits
< 1226597378 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC isn't cryptic :-)
< 1226597411 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, after reading YAHT (about half a dozen times) I still don't know what it's on about, and HUGS just plain sucks :P
< 1226597447 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't read just one tutorial
< 1226597474 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any recommendaions?
< 1226597474 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two newish ones that I hear are good are http://www.learnyouahaskell.com/ and http://book.realworldhaskell.org/read/
< 1226597475 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought I just couldn't find the option for loading multiple modules at once in Hugs... but apparently there isn't one
< 1226597512 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, another hole in the wall I suppose
< 1226597523 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: will check them out, thanks
< 1226597569 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of reminds me of Why's Poignant Guide
< 1226597649 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the first one is in that style
< 1226597658 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one is a complete book
< 1226598065 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On Windows it's just a matter of downloading the installer and clicking "Next" a couple of times and then rebooting your computer. On Debian based Linux distributions you can just do apt-get install ghc6 libghc6-mtl-dev and you're laughing." How sad but true
< 1226598160 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to reboot
< 1226598201 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1226598201 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell?
< 1226598201 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do it!
< 1226598202 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run!
< 1226598220 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run before the lambdas get you
< 1226598227 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambdas are cool.
< 1226598232 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already caught, I can't escape
< 1226598233 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the monads you have to watch out for
< 1226598237 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All other languages seem to suck now
< 1226598252 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go with Scheme dude
< 1226598257 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let the parenthesis hug you
< 1226598258 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it sucks
< 1226598260 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1226598270 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah2: Am I sensing some kind of tension ehre? Why don't you like Haskell? Either way, do you think there's a better functional language than Haskell for a newb at functional?
< 1226598279 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see scheme
< 1226598287 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Curse a long delay in IRC chats)
< 1226598305 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was somebody on #haskell just yesterday for whom it was his first programming language ever
< 1226598330 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, wow, talk about brave (or stupid)
< 1226598335 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was reading the intro on LYAH and said "aren't all languages like this? if not, what are those other muppets doing" or something to that effect :-D
< 1226598353 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Haskell is perfectly fine as a first language
< 1226598370 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it's much harder as a first functional language after imperative languages
< 1226598384 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know, I only went the latter way and there was much head-bashing involved :-P
< 1226598392 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can only talk from experience when I say, as approx a sixth langauge, I still don't get it. Then again, I'm not the sharpest tool
< 1226598426 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it took me a while too.
< 1226598441 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The imperative trap holds one fast. Though, I wonder if it isn't a more natural (if somewhat less tangible system)
< 1226598540 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. It may or may not be.
< 1226598557 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I will say is that prolog is definitely unnatural. ;-)
< 1226598582 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, apples and .. well, llamas  my friend - beyond comaprison :P
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< 1226599502 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MONOOOODS D:
< 1226599515 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly went to scheme because it's the first functional language I saw
< 1226599527 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's what Lazy K is writen in, and I saw that)
< 1226599742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226599743 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | quite, but is it t or f
< 1226599745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226599745 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | $ ls tests/
< 1226599747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226599747 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | yes
< 1226599749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226599750 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | as in your example, double each integer is equivalent to like
< 1226599773 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226599773 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | what is agora?
< 1226599775 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226599776 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | !hangman s
< 1226599777 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226599778 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | fizzie: I think it may be quite possible to do hot code change of parts of efunge without stopping :D
< 1226599780 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226599780 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | no
< 1226599786 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226599787 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :satisfactory.
< 1226599787 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | did it have static scoping?
< 1226599789 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh!
< 1226599794 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226599795 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | <image x="50" y="50"><pixel x="1" y="1"><red value="255"/><blue value="0"/><green value="0"/></pixel>...
< 1226599804 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226599805 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ...
< 1226599859 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect!
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< 1226601689 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | that's a very old version
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< 1226609471 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/bonobo-conspiracy/?i=41
< 1226609502 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz
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< 1226609822 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/bonobo-conspiracy/?i=94 muahaha
< 1226609832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ehird_> you are not oerjan
< 1226609840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am glad we finally agree on that
< 1226610173 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this comic
< 1226610266 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonobo Conspiracy
< 1226610282 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the name
< 1226610284 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The topic
< 1226610381 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geeky stuff, apparently. The bald guy is the TA of some course
< 1226610392 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/bonobo-conspiracy/?i=3
< 1226610400 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this comic just jokes about computation theory?
< 1226610444 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there are other types of jokes in there
< 1226610501 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame jokes, apparently
< 1226610587 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION laughed at no. 3
< 1226610670 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/bonobo-conspiracy/?i=10
< 1226610676 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Author is too lazy to change any sprite
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< 1226619051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"here we go, changing to znc"
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< 1226619099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets a znc-ing feeling
< 1226621265 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys :D
< 1226621436 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226621437 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Sure, but it's also substantially superior to the Wiz :P
< 1226621439 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226621440 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | My head is hairy.
< 1226623289 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Its just really frustrating
< 1226623297 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I made an interpeter for Redivider in python, and an interpreter for Brainf**k in Redivider. It throws up after ~1000 bf instructions (stack overflow), but does Redivider still count as turing complete?
< 1226623423 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python stack overflow?
< 1226623436 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, that's not redivider's problem
< 1226623451 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python stack overflow, yes.
< 1226623489 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc python has an arbitrary stack limit that can be annoying
< 1226623538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably no tail call optimization either
< 1226623549 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1226623646 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither in python nor my rd interpreter. That could be a goal for the next version.
< 1226623721 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where could I upload the code? Pasting 500 lines of python on the wiki doesn't sound very appealing.
< 1226623738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for turing completeness, you usually assume no arbitrary resource limits
< 1226623790 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, some people here have access to the esoteric file archive, not me though
< 1226623891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Esolang:The_Esoteric_File_Archive
< 1226624027 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR and pgimeno are here regularly, at least, GregorR might even be here now
< 1226624102 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's probably not a good idea if the interpreter is still under too much development
< 1226624151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm also there's that eso-std.org site or something like that which some are using
< 1226624403 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there are lots of free places, but i don't use them, what little i do i put on my homepage
< 1226624459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that the eso-std.org homepage is not overly informative :D
< 1226624477 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _think_ it may be ehird's and ais523's site
< 1226624566 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... I put the bf-interpreter on the wiki at least. It's only 182 lines, 100 of which is atoi/itoa. http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Redivider/Brainfuck_Interpreter
< 1226624782 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right, optbot is running there and belongs to ehird
< 1226624783 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ~exec sys.stdout.write("foo")
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< 1226625996 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sometimes i fly around in a spaceship :>"
< 1226625998 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1226626003 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT's useful.
< 1226626048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess ehird is secretly Calvin
< 1226626059 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ais523 is Hobbes
< 1226626069 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I was in a spaceship and I saw my house!
< 1226626099 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And the (2,3) machine has only been proven complete in the minds of comic book readers everywhere D-8
< 1226626120 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: maybe that's for the best
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< 1226626702 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I nominate myself for the position of Hobbes.
< 1226626730 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of the Calvin-raping-Hobbes scenes you don't usually see in the comic.
< 1226626743 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have pictures of such scenes
< 1226626746 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want them
< 1226626768 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 34 8-D
< 1226626789 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also nominate myself for the position of Ozymandias Justin Llewellyn, who, according to the Encyclopedia Dramatica, is just a lousy clone of Hobbes. I think.
< 1226626813 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ozy
< 1226626831 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ozy and Millie is a more LIBERAL version of Calvin and Hobbes
< 1226626838 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, of course.
< 1226626885 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION peeks at the Bird Brains, the I Drew This blog, authored by D. C. Simpson, Thomas K. Dye, and some other guy
< 1226626939 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you remember that INTERNET WAR with R H Junior?
< 1226626943 0 :Slereah2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was hilarious
< 1226627023 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i herd u liek BLOODkips
< 1226627071 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just read about it on the Encyclopedia Dramatica.
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< 1226642653 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi i'm new here, what's this channel about is it about mudkips?
< 1226642671 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i liek mudkips somewhat)
< 1226642689 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk to you later, need to go do stuff ->
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< 1226644551 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fishp?
< 1226644889 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | and join #bsmnt_bot_chroot_errors so you can see all the exceptions that you just raised
< 1226645004 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FISHP
< 1226645404 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i herd u liek mudkips?
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< 1226652874 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I have another for you to verify if you don't mind (and also if you could get it primted in a decimal string): 3^6184 -2
< 1226652968 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is prime
< 1226652979 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah :D
< 1226652984 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks Deewiant :)
< 1226653007 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bc" will give you a decimal string of it just fine, though.
< 1226653027 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it be ported (Cygwin)?
< 1226653034 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin has it.
< 1226653047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning
< 1226653051 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, roger that
< 1226653058 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: and you can just put it into GHCi as well :-P
< 1226653078 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, really?
< 1226653087 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1226653095 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, you're right, wow, I didn't know it had arbitrary precision
< 1226653098 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome
< 1226653121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(- (expt 3 6184) 2) in any Scheme system worth it's salt, also.
< 1226653137 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/'//
< 1226653138 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(brb, pre-lunch meal)
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< 1226654144 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"So, how much do you love noodles?"
< 1226655522 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back, should anyone be interested
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< 1226661706 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mornin.
< 1226661751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oklopol- Fri Nov 14 13:22:02 2008 <-- hm
< 1226661756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not morning IMO ;P
< 1226661772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm tired :<
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< 1226665629 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: actually i was wrong about knowing how to run, i've only recently learned to run.
< 1226665647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically i was just "jumping around" before.
< 1226665668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i think the definition of running is only one foot touches ground between the jumps.
< 1226665687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in walking you always have 1-2 feet on the ground
< 1226665724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was doing something in-between, because i relied on the leg behind me to make me kinda tilt forward at impact so i can jump into the right direction.
< 1226665731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to explain really.
< 1226665764 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, now i'm actually running, i'm pretty fast too. still falling down a lot, but now it occasionally actually looks like running.
< 1226665783 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues ->
< 1226666490 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | dad runs our wireless internet
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< 1226667003 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrmm, I logged in?
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< 1226667520 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226667768 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got to 83.9 meters
< 1226667798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is after the ~10 hours of gameplay i get so excited from getting near the goal i actually forget what the buttons do.
< 1226667858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is usually my problem, i can either get it done on a few attempts, or i can die a few times near the beginning, after which i lose self-confidence, and progress becomes slow.
< 1226667876 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, it's not like i'm in a hurry, i have a good 120 years left.
< 1226668088 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. now i can suddenly get to 50 meters routinely.
< 1226668093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really get my brain inspected
< 1226668100 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues
< 1226668424 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're making good progress there.
< 1226669093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1226669141 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Dana"
< 1226669493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: being sarcastic? :P
< 1226669521 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only real feat here is patience, i doubt anyone else could play this for this long without succeeding.
< 1226669581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, enough for today, it's in god's hands now whether i succeed tomorrow or on sunday
< 1226669589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i don't, it's going to be a rough monday :P
< 1226669635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'll play another half an hour, this day is going to be wasted anyway, due to certain social events :<
< 1226669766 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226670095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((<)(>)):^!S(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^
< 1226670097 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<>><><<>><<><>><><<><>><<>><><<>><<><>><<>><><<><>><><<>><<><>><><<><>><<>><><<><>><><<>><<><>><<>><><<>><<><>><><<><>><<>><><<> ...too much output!
< 1226670585 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1226670662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((o)(k)):^!S(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^
< 1226670663 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okkokookkookokkokookokkookkokookkookokkookkokookokkokookkookokkokookokkookkokookokkokookkookokkookkokookkookokkokookokkookkokookkookokkookkokookokkokookkookokkookkokookkookokkokookokkookkokookokkokookkookokkokookokkookkokookkookokkookkokookokkokookkookokko ...too much output!
< 1226671109 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's funny
< 1226671139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais
< 1226671140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1226671144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird
< 1226671166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks they wrote the world's slowest Underload interpreter yesterday
< 1226671171 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know why it prints twice as much of the second program as the first, despite only differing in the printed characters?
< 1226671198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thutubot)
< 1226671250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it only breaks after the end of an S command
< 1226671265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it finishes the string it's on before realising there's too much output
< 1226671274 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the only change was the characters inside ()s.
< 1226671283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as fizzie said
< 1226671295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< and > are two characters in Thutu
< 1226671299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each
< 1226671300 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226671310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1226671319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it escapes all punctuation marks
< 1226671323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226671326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the unescaped versions can be used to avoid collisions
< 1226671329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the input
< 1226671354 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coincidentally, "kokko" (which is an often-occurring substring in that output) is the Finnish word for a bonfire.
< 1226671431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kokko, kokoo kokoon koko kokko
< 1226671443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko
< 1226671461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "Kokko" actually a name? i never checked.
< 1226671484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226671486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's
< 1226671503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kokko, kokoo kokoon koko kokko." "Koko kokkoko?" "Koko kokko."
< 1226671516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean something?
< 1226671526 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kokko, please build the whole bonfire
< 1226671530 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole bonfire?
< 1226671533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole bonfire.
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< 1226671576 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now understands kokko, and the -ko suffix
< 1226671609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"koota" is kinda "to gather up" or something similar
< 1226671635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in third person becomes "kokoa", "kokoo" is the colloquial way to say it
< 1226671666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, becomes "kokoa" in imperative, also in third person, but that was not used in the sentence
< 1226671678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"koko" is "whole"/"entire"
< 1226671728 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kokoon" doesn't really mean anything there, it's like "build into a state of being built".
< 1226671732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :build is a bad verb for that
< 1226671747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, hope you enjoy your new vague knowledge about finnish.
< 1226671751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to read stuff now
< 1226671752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1226671754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hvafor.no/article/setninger-best-ende-av-kun-like-ord.html
< 1226671840 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages make me tickle
< 1226671843 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1226672376 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another phrase a bit like that involving the word "kasvain" (tumor), the interjection "kas vain" (denoting vaguely something like being surprised), the adjective "vaivoin" ('with difficulty') and the verb "kasvaa" (to grow).
< 1226672387 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as obviously silly as the "kokko" one, though.
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< 1226672400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Language_of_Finland
< 1226672487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226672534 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the little-known fact there.
< 1226672634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.eso-std.org/j
< 1226672642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ my Underload interpreter in Thue
< 1226672655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I forgot how Thue did input when I wrote that so the program it runs is hardcoded
< 1226672721 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep
< 1226672778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the slowest Underload interp I know
< 1226672820 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How slow is it, compared to, say, fungot's brainfuck interpreter running the brainfuck underload one?
< 1226672821 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: use string=? and char=? to test the quality of those awake hours though :p.
< 1226672844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: even slower I think
< 1226672845 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Uh, how exactly am I supposed to do that?
< 1226672846 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: although the statement you responded to a comment i made)
< 1226672878 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For exampy the prase "Sorry, I didn't hear correctly what you said, please repeat that?" is spelled "Anteeksi, en oikein kuullut, mitä sanoitte, olkaa kiltti ja toistakaa?" and pronounced as "hä?"
< 1226672879 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226672897 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's just "huh?"
< 1226672910 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i lolled a bit
< 1226672936 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1226672981 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Juoksentelisimmekohan" was in my finnish book in lower secondary
< 1226672990 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page continues -- or "mitäh?" or "vittu puhu suomee!"; those are just "what?" and "[expletive] speak Finnish!"
< 1226673004 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually say "ö" for "yes"
< 1226673018 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cat was saying that, with a dog going "Skulle vi springa lite hit och dit utan någon särskilt ändamål"
< 1226673031 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or then the dog was saying it in finnish, I forget... the art was rather poor anyway
< 1226673059 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"e" for "no", but that's common
< 1226673065 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest can usually be done using "o"
< 1226673099 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That might be where the Uncyclopedia article got it from.
< 1226673107 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed
< 1226673139 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence I related the tale so that all may partake in this interesting tidbit of Uncyclopedia history
< 1226673183 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we thank you for thaat
< 1226673231 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one quote I remember from my Finnish book was the one about using relative pronouns correctly: "At home I spoke about the tiger to mother, who was kept locked in [her] cage." -- the relative clause was supposedly referring to the tiger, not the mother.
< 1226673235 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The text was about agglutinative languages, of course.
< 1226673267 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think that's ambiguous.
< 1226673273 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in finnish
< 1226673277 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the Finnish version the word for cage was "häkissään", which includes the possessive suffix.)
< 1226673277 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226673284 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's not amb
< 1226673304 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kotona kerroin tiikeristä äidille, jota pidettiin lukittuna häkissään."
< 1226673308 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kotona puhuin tiikeristä äidille, joka oli lukittuna häkissään?"
< 1226673311 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226673319 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's unambiguous, means the mother is in her own cage.
< 1226673345 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, true
< 1226673352 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. I think Korpela's pages might have that quote. :p
< 1226673353 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes no sense but fine
< 1226673354 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1226673359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ time ./thue.pl ulhello.t
< 1226673360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!
< 1226673361 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"jota" refers to the words just before it, unless there's a pronoun that changes the referent.
< 1226673361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real	0m10.081s
< 1226673363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user	0m9.809s
< 1226673364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys	0m0.044s
< 1226673384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's just the (Hello, world!)S program
< 1226673396 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sentence itself is weird, though. The mother is in her own cage? What's she doing in there?
< 1226673407 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kotona kerroin tiikeristä äidille, jonka täytyi elää vangittuna häkissään." says google.
< 1226673409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: protecting herself from the nearby mobile phone mast
< 1226673411 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...tiger to mother, which..." is about the mother, "...that tiger to mother, which..." refers to the tiger, but that sounds bad in finnish, there's really no simple way to say it right.
< 1226673441 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226673444 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just flip the word order
< 1226673448 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there is in this case, just flip yeah
< 1226673452 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kotona kerroin äidille tiikeristä, "...
< 1226673462 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed there wasn't, because i thought that was the point
< 1226673472 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there often isn't
< 1226673475 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's fitting or not that we're discussing Finnish in #esoteric ;-)
< 1226673499 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the metalanguage is english, that's all that matters
< 1226673505 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and the point of the sentence was just to illustrate how "joka" very easily refers to the previous words.
< 1226673527 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm not sure... in some families, who knows.
< 1226673528 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It always refers to the previous word.
< 1226673548 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kerroin siitä tiikeristä äidille, jota eniten rakastan"
< 1226673586 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can change the referent artificially, and sometimes it even sounds okay, even though i didn't feel like trying to find such an example.
< 1226673614 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's a set of tigers, which you're choosing the loveliest from, that refers to the tiger.
< 1226673655 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1226673657 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't, it's just incorrect. :-P
< 1226673663 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokokko.
< 1226673667 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no.
< 1226673680 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kerroin eniten rakastamastani tiikeristä äidille." ;-)
< 1226673693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sentence meaning the same doesn't really prove much.
< 1226673714 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't fail at finnish, if i did, i'd change finnish to retroactively be right.
< 1226673756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it does sound weird, it's a bit poetic. it's not incorrect.
< 1226673788 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your tiger is incorrect.
< 1226673788 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't sound weird; it means "I told the mother whom I most love of that tiger."
< 1226673789 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1226673798 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm trying to prove it. :-P
< 1226673816 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can mean that, but it can also refer to the tiger.
< 1226673820 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fi.wikibooks.org/wiki/Suomen_kieli/Sis%C3%A4lt%C3%B6 is unfortunately blank
< 1226673824 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it cannot. :-P
< 1226673831 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: help me out here.
< 1226673844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"se tiikeri on äidin mieleen, jota eniten rakastan"
< 1226673850 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong.
< 1226673868 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd lose a point for that in an essay. :-P
< 1226673885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i wouldn't. ask any native.
< 1226673887 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be "se tiikeri, jota eniten rakastan, on äidin mieleen"
< 1226673892 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1226673895 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am native and I tried to ask fizzie
< 1226673907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that was the joke
< 1226673925 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw the joke and ignored it
< 1226673928 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"se tiikeri, jota eniten rakastan, on äidin mieleen" is definitely better
< 1226673981 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's common to change the referent using a pronoun, it's not wrong, just usually doesn't sound nearly as good.
< 1226673987 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's a relative, not an indefinite, pronoun.
< 1226674008 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true.
< 1226674024 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the wikibook fails anyway.
< 1226674053 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think "se tiikeri on äidin mieleen, jota eniten rakastan" sounds weird, but I also do think the relative clause there is still referring to the mother.
< 1226674057 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_grammar#Relative_pronouns says "refers to the previous word"
< 1226674119 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder if I have any old finnish books around
< 1226674130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you both believe it, i will wait for proof.
< 1226674138 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally on these kinds of debates I just check http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/kielenopas/index.html but I can't seem to find anything relevant right now.
< 1226674141 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i will believe you if you can prove you're right.
< 1226674149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you may have to believe me.
< 1226674161 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we distracting you from your running, by the way?
< 1226674170 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, you're distracting me from reading
< 1226674172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1226674189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird
< 1226674206 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why do I keep adding a space after a trailing ? in sentences still. It's been at least five years since that was last necessary to avoid the question-answering bot.
< 1226674226 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"se oppilas puhuu, jolla on puheenvuoro"
< 1226674236 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"se oppilas kertokoon mielipiteensä, jolla on puheenvuoro"
< 1226674247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so sure i'm right i could eat a horse.
< 1226674273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil plenker
< 1226674282 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does eating a horse help?
< 1226674301 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would be afraid of me, and thusly tell me anything i want to hear.
< 1226674303 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, yes, in those examples I would interpret it to refer to the student.
< 1226674309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why oid the bot? :P
< 1226674348 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The bot was just a bit annoying when trying to have a real conversation. Should've made it name-triggered instead of question-mark-triggered, really.
< 1226674365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, annoying bots are cool beanios
< 1226674366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: naturally, that's one of the cases where it sounds natural. that's the exact same construct, it's just you'd put the relative clause after the referent if it was any longer, so it doesn't look natural for longer examples.
< 1226674369 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/kielenopas/7.9.html#joka
< 1226674377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a lot of natural
< 1226674385 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1226674391 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't say whether it's right or not
< 1226674394 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seuraavassa taas joka-sanan viittauksen kohteeksi tarjoutuu ensisijaisesti sana ”nelostiellä”. Lukija kyllä ymmärtää tämän tulkinnan mahdottomuuden ja hakee kohteen aiempaa. Mutta lukija rasittuu aivan turhaan.
< 1226674398 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Ohitimme Möttösten auton nelostiellä, jossa istui viisi henkeä.
< 1226674408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohitimme niiden Möttösten auton, jotka olivat naapureitamme Kittilässä.
< 1226674408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tuolla on sen miehen koira, jota ehdotettiin isännöitsijäksi.
< 1226674413 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i did.
< 1226674414 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He never says "right" or "wrong", it's not like it's a binary thing.
< 1226674426 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there he says "right"
< 1226674426 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joskus tämäntapaiset tilanteet hoidetaan seuraavalla tavalla, joka on muo­dol­li­ses­ti kielen sääntöjen mukainen:
< 1226674433 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o at the copy-paste
< 1226674442 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox fails at &shy; ?
< 1226674484 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More likely whatever you paste it in is the one that fails.
< 1226674494 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi?
< 1226674496 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah he says "the reader will find this confusing", but that's bullcrap, i'm not talking about "finnish that sounds pretty", i'm just telling you i'm technically right.
< 1226674497 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The soft hypens are, after all, part of the text, and should be copied.
< 1226674499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best kind of right.
< 1226674520 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226674542 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, I learned something today
< 1226674550 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The hyphens you pasted there are soft, it's just that terminal emulators don't much bother with that stuff.
< 1226674566 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I figured Firefox's "view source" wouldn't bother either
< 1226674571 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess it did.
< 1226674574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...can i go now, or will there be more linguistics to argue about?
< 1226674611 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive would be so pissed were he here
< 1226674630 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run, oklopol, run. (Or read, as the case may be.)
< 1226674631 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that
< 1226674632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523
< 1226674647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: well he's a linguist, but he couldn't really contribute
< 1226674651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I have an improved version of my Underload in Thue now which actulaly takes input
< 1226674653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me paste it
< 1226674660 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, right, i shallll ->
< 1226674688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.eso-std.org/k
< 1226674706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some ideas as to how to optimise it, but I'll stick with that for the time being
< 1226674714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now all I need is to tweak it a bit to do Underlambda Core in Thue
< 1226674721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a new project, you see
< 1226674729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to get all known TC esolangs to compile to each other
< 1226674737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm hoping to do it by using Underlambda as an intermediate lang
< 1226674761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is to have Underlambda as a high-level tarpit, that sounds like a contradiction but basically it can be done with only a few commands and loads and loads of libraries
< 1226674794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Underlambda Core = Underload with different I/O
< 1226674814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, just adding one more command to Underload leads to all sorts of beauty
< 1226674828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the command is n, which replaces the stack with () if it has exactly one element
< 1226674840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~mu/cgi-bin/shortpath.cgi?from=Hitler&to=List%20of%20Pokemon%20(241-260)
< 1226674858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird and ais523
< 1226674870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: have you got KDE to work? :)
< 1226674882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1226674888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen my Underload-in-Thue?
< 1226674892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1226674894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link?
< 1226674902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.eso-std.org/k
< 1226674902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I know Thue so wouldn't help I guess
< 1226674908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily it doesn't open in a new window atm
< 1226674911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ehird changed it
< 1226674918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird++
< 1226674920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that change
< 1226674923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i changed it 'cuz of a bug
< 1226674929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug in what?
< 1226674930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will probably change it back when i fix said bu
< 1226674931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1226674957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't know Thue, so...
< 1226674968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Thue
< 1226674970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very simple
< 1226674976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the most tarpitty tarpits around
< 1226674984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster doesn't know what thue is?
< 1226674987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ
< 1226674990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what it is
< 1226674995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know the syntax
< 1226674998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1226675009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not a language I can program in
< 1226675013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or read programs in
< 1226675031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "not knowing a language" != "not knowing about a language"
< 1226675044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that interpreter's mostly generated code anyway, to deal with all the possibilities for characters inside strings
< 1226675059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't allow < and > inside strings, but Underload's specified to not allow those
< 1226675071 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny that the inverse path is just two clicks; List of Pokemon -> Time travel -> Adolf Hitler.
< 1226675085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: XD
< 1226675133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, my main eso achievement of yesterday was an Underlambda Special -> Underlambda Core compiler written as an Underlambda header file
< 1226675144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nice
< 1226675155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unfortunately nobody but me knows any of the languages involved so they won't be able to tell what sort of achievement that is
< 1226675181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, still on GoboLinux?
< 1226675186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know underlambda
< 1226675187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda
< 1226675199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well I changed some things and didn't tell anyone
< 1226675215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the language to be right first time for my Grand Unified Esolang Project
< 1226675229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Execution consists of picking, from the list of rules, an arbitrary rule whose original string exists as a substring somewhere in the program state"
< 1226675233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random basically?
< 1226675233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereby I write compilers from Underlambda to all known TC esolangs, and compilers from all known TC esolangs to Underlambda
< 1226675237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, at random
< 1226675251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although deterministic Thue interpreters normally produce the same results and run faster
< 1226675252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, then getting the order of IO correct is very hard
< 1226675255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not impossible
< 1226675263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's easy
< 1226675268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1226675282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Input is performed using a special rule like this:
< 1226675282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<original string>::=:::
< 1226675282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1226675303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it requires the input string to contain something that will make it change to the new state
< 1226675309 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: usually you just have one spot in the string where you are actually doing rewriting.
< 1226675318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm
< 1226675324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1226675336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how would that work for input, since you *can't* know what the user will enter
< 1226675350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Fri Nov 14 2008] [15:07:59] <ais523> you just arrange things so that earlier I/O removes substrings that block later I/O
< 1226675351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Fri Nov 14 2008] [15:08:39] <ais523> for instance, ad::= world!/bc::=Hello,/::=/abcd
< 1226675355 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where / is newline)
< 1226675355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226675357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have something like 0001100110X0110101, and X is kind of the "turtle", not sure what a good term would be
< 1226675363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226675367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just arrange things so that earlier I/O removes substrings that block later I/O
< 1226675374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, ad::= world!/bc::=Hello,/::=/abcd
< 1226675388 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :input is a problem
< 1226675392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it acts sort of like an IP but you can have more of them
< 1226675404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IP might work, but it's not exactly the same thing
< 1226675405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes that was what I meant
< 1226675406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, luckily Underload bans various characters so you can rely on them not being in the input
< 1226675412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underlambda bans # and |
< 1226675420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Underload bans <>{}"
< 1226675429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so this project will replace c-intercal? ;)
< 1226675436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just treat C as an esolang for it :P
< 1226675449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how will you know for sure that after user input there will actually exist something that is valid for user input?
< 1226675451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226675463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is valid for new state*
< 1226675464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1226675474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since order is unknown
< 1226675480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, it's just a different project to work on
< 1226675481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there will have to be an INTERCAL->Underlambda compiler involved somewhere, of course
< 1226675491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treat c as an esolang
< 1226675495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: basically, you enclose it in known characters
< 1226675496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get c->intercal and intercal->c
< 1226675496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, to prevent another rule running before the input it would have to only be valid after input
< 1226675505 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you get lazy, i volunteer for making some of the compilers, in case that wasn't a given.
< 1226675512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and I can't see any pattern matching or?
< 1226675518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you make sure that nothing in the input might match the head of the rule
< 1226675531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no pattern matching is the main annoyance of Thue, you have to write all the patterns out by hand
< 1226675536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: thanks, probably I'll need it
< 1226675539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how do you make sure that other rule isn't run before?
< 1226675541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to finish speccing Underlambda first
< 1226675545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol had a thue-alike
< 1226675548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that used actual graphic things
< 1226675549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was 2d
< 1226675553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since order isn't defined
< 1226675558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: as long as you describe what you do logically, the order doesn't really matter
< 1226675560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foobar   blah
< 1226675561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quuxz = etc
< 1226675561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bazzz    foobar
< 1226675562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, aligned
< 1226675575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not TC though; len(replacement) must == len(pattern)
< 1226675579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my Underload interp uses markers which are numbers in angle brackets to mark bits of the code that haven't been calculated yet
< 1226675591 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226675595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't normally move past each other except in a few cases, so it has to finish calculating a bit of the program before it can be used
< 1226675635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, it is a pipelined Underload interp, it can start on one command before it's finished the one before
< 1226675635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if you write aa both the closing parens will probably be added before either opening paren
< 1226675642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well. lets say you want the user to input a string, and no other state may be run before the user have input something. Sure you can ban certain bits from being entered. Fine. But how do you know that the string the user enter will suddenly enable one of the other states to be run
< 1226675643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226675646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't matter, if you run, say, ^ or * after that it'll wait for the parens to be added before continuing
< 1226675648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you want this basically:
< 1226675649 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226675653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enter your name:
< 1226675656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello <name>
< 1226675660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Thue
< 1226675675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :name may contain letters and spaces
< 1226675679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing else
< 1226675680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, say you know the name will be letters and spaces
< 1226675692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have, say, <1><2><3> as the initial string
< 1226675697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace <2> with ::: (i.e. input)
< 1226675697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226675702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1226675715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you replace <1>A with <1><4>A and <4>A with output A
< 1226675723 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226675724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<1>B with <1><4>B and <4>B with output B
< 1226675726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1226675729 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226675735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah you have to special case for all possible values
< 1226675738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1226675740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1226675748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what if the user just hits enter
< 1226675757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you have a replacement for <1><3> which runs at the end
< 1226675761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226675763 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which can obviously only run once the string's been output
< 1226675787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how would you duplicate a string?
< 1226675793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you want to output the name several times
< 1226675805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: with difficulty, the string duplicate thing's probably the longest part
< 1226675815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226675823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this language is actually tc?
< 1226675825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, you have a marker which runs through the input changing A to A<5A>, B to B<5B> and so on
< 1226675842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you just saw a proof it is
< 1226675845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have a rule to change <5A>A to A<5A>, <5A>B to B<5A>, and so on
< 1226675851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, true
< 1226675855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hard to believe
< 1226675859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1226675870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the <5> versions end up sorted at one end, and the original string at the other
< 1226675870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm
< 1226675874 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sk combinators take like an hour to make
< 1226675876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can de-<5> them
< 1226675878 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's conceptually trivial
< 1226675886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right
< 1226675894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what if you want to match ::= ?
< 1226675901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or match :::
< 1226675903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to match it in bits, that's a syntax thing
< 1226675907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1226675911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say by changing : to ; separately
< 1226675918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming it is actually simpler than, for instance, boolfuck, because you can extend from within, it's kinda like a langauge with two stacks.
< 1226675920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some other encoding yeah
< 1226675924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, that's what <88> is about in my Underload interp, it's so I can have replacements starting with ~)
< 1226675934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just when moving around, you have to list all the possible characters that may be next to the ip.
< 1226675939 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to be able to skip over them
< 1226675947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226675948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*language
< 1226675960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there really an IP?
< 1226675965 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure that makes much sense if you haven't actually programmed in it, but the point is it's simple.
< 1226675966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bulk of the Underload interp is to allow arbitrary characters to skip over /other/ arbitrary characters
< 1226675967 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make an ip
< 1226675975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: all Thue programs I've seen start off by implementing an IP
< 1226675983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lang doesn't have one by default, but you can write one
< 1226675983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sad that i missed MUD
< 1226675985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1226675985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by making all rules explicitly only do stuff to a place where you have some kinda ip character.
< 1226675994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could make them massively parallel by not using an ip
< 1226676006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but that's more complicated to do.
< 1226676011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true
< 1226676026 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my ski had some part where it can do two things in either order.
< 1226676039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: there's lots of nondeterminism in the Underload interp
< 1226676045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because commands are run asynchronously
< 1226676051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from ^ and S
< 1226676051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and since Game of Life is TC and very very parallel it should be able to take advantage of multi-core computers
< 1226676053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1226676063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^ because it needs to know what to run before running it, S to make sure output happens in the right order)
< 1226676071 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, but my ski doesn't work like that, evaluates lazily
< 1226676075 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226676086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, lazily, always the outermsot
< 1226676088 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*outermost
< 1226676101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think. don't remember exactly, something like that anyway)
< 1226676106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes nondeterministic evaluation orders
< 1226676107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is underlambda documented somewhere?
< 1226676115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underlambda says "no text"
< 1226676116 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nondeterminism is great
< 1226676130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i here.
< 1226676130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1226676137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehe
< 1226676139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh*
< 1226676165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not publically yet
< 1226676169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to work out the details first
< 1226676177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but think Underload + preprocessor + different I/O + standard libraries
< 1226676186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: give me an idea for a lang
< 1226676189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the standard libraries normally optimised by interps
< 1226676198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I have a really crazy idea for a joke lang
< 1226676204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o?
< 1226676207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, all programs are numbers
< 1226676225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all programs ARE numbers
< 1226676225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1226676228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you enter a number, it goes to anagolf, looks for the problem with that number, then takes majority opinion of the non-cheat entries for it
< 1226676234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol!
< 1226676241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well not really interesting if there is no page about the syntax
< 1226676242 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-cheat?
< 1226676250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is kind of hard to understand then
< 1226676253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all sorts of well-known problems are very short
< 1226676255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: special-casing the tests
< 1226676262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it only works on the inputs actually tested, nothing else
< 1226676262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm *NOT* going to reverse engineer that interpreter ;P
< 1226676271 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah, meh :-/
< 1226676276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the thing you saw above was an Underload interp, Underload's well-known
< 1226676282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226676287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underlambda syntax is the same as for Underload, it just has a few more commands
< 1226676292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you talked about underlambda around the same time
< 1226676294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which confused me
< 1226676296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226676302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no it has ""
< 1226676303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too similar names
< 1226676304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as extra syntax
< 1226676306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: oh, yes
< 1226676310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's just preprocessor stuff
< 1226676329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it becomes ((:::***)(:::::::::::::::***************))-like stuff once it's been preprocessed
< 1226676330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw ais523 when will you finish overload
< 1226676345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: probably never, as it's probably impossible to implement in a reasonable length of time
< 1226676355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1226676356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1226676357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas for Underlambda I'm actually trying to make it optimisable and compilable
< 1226676375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underlambda is sort of fixed-Overload, learning from the lessons of what went wrong there
< 1226676421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no wiki entry on overload either?
< 1226676427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is that lang
< 1226676429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it definitely hasn't been released
< 1226676436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overload is the lang that Underload is a tarpit version of
< 1226676442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226676449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what stuff does overload add?
< 1226676450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has pointers
< 1226676453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gotos
< 1226676455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226676462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches AnMaster cringr
< 1226676464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cringe
< 1226676468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it makes me cringe too
< 1226676471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without actually seeing him cringe, heh.
< 1226676478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, fun, but seems like very very opposite to the underload paradigm
< 1226676480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto + pointers + Underload is a worrying combination
< 1226676485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I didn't cringe ehird!
< 1226676488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overload was meant to work well in /every/ paradigm
< 1226676500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226676503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that makes sense
< 1226676510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I assume ehird is back on OS X
< 1226676533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[15:28] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from ehird: Colloquy 2.1 (3761) - Mac OS X 10.4.11 (Intel) - http://colloquy.info.
< 1226676536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy enough to check
< 1226676539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1226676552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway he was nicer when he was on linux
< 1226676555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wat
< 1226676557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if there is any connection
< 1226676562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1226676569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please, don't blow up an argument between you two now
< 1226676575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, AnMaster is talking about me?
< 1226676580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOMENTOUS THINGS are happening in esolang programming
< 1226676581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have him on /ignore, so no possibility of argument
< 1226676588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1226676605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although he's pissing me off indirectly, as it happens
< 1226676610 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how momentous?
< 1226676610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway what are these momentus things?
< 1226676618 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you don't want to see an argument, you can just ignore them both!
< 1226676619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ous*
< 1226676627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: compilation from everything into everything else
< 1226676630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my goal with Underlambda
< 1226676633 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226676642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it low-level enough for everything to be able to implement it easily
< 1226676649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but high-level enough to make it good at implementing things itself
< 1226676649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm I really want to learn about it's syntax
< 1226676650 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you'll implement every frontend and backend as well
< 1226676661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that would be nice
< 1226676671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:
< 1226676673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the great thing is that the frontends and backends can be implemented in any esolang to begin with
< 1226676674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to do underlambda->underlambda
< 1226676675 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least you have something to do
< 1226676677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and underlambda->underlambda
< 1226676677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then compiled into Underlambda
< 1226676680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I have that already
< 1226676681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm what about stuff like file IO and such for funge-98?
< 1226676686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first thing I did
< 1226676686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahah
< 1226676693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i suppose it's just cat(1)?
< 1226676694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cheatin
< 1226676695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1226676696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have an Underlambda interp in Underlambda
< 1226676698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no
< 1226676700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to actually write a compiler
< 1226676701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I do have a compiler
< 1226676703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reduces it into simpler things
< 1226676704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1226676715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I have an Underlambda Special -> Underlambda Core compiler
< 1226676716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from I/O
< 1226676725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the tiers have more descriptive names now, yay)
< 1226676730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underlambda Core is Underload minus S
< 1226676757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well it really locks me out since I have never seen any spec of underload
< 1226676763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while it seems ehird have
< 1226676765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload
< 1226676768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226676770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underlambda is that + a few extra commands
< 1226676773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undelambda*
< 1226676774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant
< 1226676777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1226676782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, they have too similar name
< 1226676785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :names*
< 1226676788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird has seen an older version but I changed most of the extra commands since
< 1226676792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so really you're in the same boat
< 1226676830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well what makes it easy? And since you said it should be possible to compile anything to it, what about Funge-98 with SOCK and FILE and such?
< 1226676831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q/(((!(a(:^)*):^)):)~^
< 1226676832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/((a(^!^)a~*(^!^)a*a((^~!^)()(^!^))a*~^)((e%)S))~^
< 1226676833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!/((!)((e%)S))~^
< 1226676835 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^/((^)((e%)S))~^
< 1226676836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/((~!*(^!^))((e%)S))~^
< 1226676838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/((~!~(^!^)~(^!^))((e%)S))~^
< 1226676839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a/((a(^!^)a*a(:(^!^)a~*a~(^~!^)a~*a*~^)*(^!^))((e%)S))~^
< 1226676841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/((:(^!^)~(^!^))((e%)S))~^
< 1226676842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/((
< 1226676844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :)/)(^!^)):(^!^)a~*a~(^~!^)a~*a*~^
< 1226676845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#/(^~!^)
< 1226676847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226676847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|/
< 1226676848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/
< 1226676850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm planning to stick to BF-complete I/O for the grand translation
< 1226676853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and what is that?
< 1226676864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the same I/O capabilities brainfuck has
< 1226676868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, see my paste above
< 1226676869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no that paste
< 1226676870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....
< 1226676876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an Underlambda -> Underlambda compiler
< 1226676882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written as an Underlambda header file
< 1226676883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm.
< 1226676897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think: Underlambda before the slash, Underload afterwards
< 1226676904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226676909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the (e%)S is just a placeholder for an error routine atm, I'm not sure what to do on error
< 1226676936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well are those all the extra commands underlambda add?
< 1226676948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q and n are two of the special commands it adds
< 1226676953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if it is added to fungot, what would the command be? ^ul is in use
< 1226676954 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: unless they're pixel hunting games. i designed my own gui in sdl was too slow.
< 1226676956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# means "start of program"
< 1226676963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Underlambda abbreviates to udl
< 1226676966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the file extension
< 1226676969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226676983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should start calling it Uddle, it would be easier to remember separately from Underload
< 1226677002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what about other IO than just bf-complete ones?
< 1226677022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean funge98 got more IO
< 1226677022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that doesn't interest me as much from a programming point of view, because mathematically it makes no difference
< 1226677028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can always use something like PSOX
< 1226677034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cringe*
< 1226677076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems like this is a good day for cross-language esolang interpretation: "Brainfuck interpreter written in [[Redivider]] by [[User:MizardX]]."
< 1226677088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm?
< 1226677094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226677095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the wiki recent changes
< 1226677095 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :came out today
< 1226677098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't had a look at it
< 1226677100 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1226677108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Date:Friday 14 November 2008 00:58
< 1226677110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope will be pleased
< 1226677113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so today if you use the UTC sense
< 1226677126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ihope = warrie
< 1226677130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226677131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1226677136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm calling him ihope
< 1226677140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as he has various monikers that he's used here
< 1226677145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope, dogface, warrie, perhaps more
< 1226677150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc he used something else on sine, too
< 1226677206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this Redivider, what paradigm?
< 1226677215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out from a quick look at the wiki page
< 1226677242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link for me to click on: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Redivider
< 1226677251 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably string rewriting...
< 1226677257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226677273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is all that about parsers then
< 1226677309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's rewriting, it looks to me more like a procedural lang that uses regexen and strings as the main data type
< 1226677316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1226677319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a TC parser
< 1226677329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know because i was there when it was inventedd
< 1226677330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226677341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, effectively a procedural lang, but with backtracking
< 1226677353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226677376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no examples of hello world and such either
< 1226677378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1226677378 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226677383 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226677389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going for a while (moving to a different connection); I'll be back soon
< 1226677396 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limited back-tracking. Only if the first item in a block fails. Any other, and the program breaks.
< 1226677408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, what does hello world look like?
< 1226677410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in it
< 1226677416 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main: "Hello World!"
< 1226677420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226677457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, so main: have a special meaning? http://esolangs.org/wiki/Redivider doesn't mention that
< 1226677468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee, i was  the one who made ihope make ()s optional
< 1226677468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^
< 1226677477 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't say anything about how to invoke the program.
< 1226677480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also told him what the [] vs () stuff should be like.
< 1226677481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226677503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX-: main, I think
< 1226677505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :name a parser main
< 1226677543 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the parser I wrote in python, I made it so that the user have to specify what predicate to start with.
< 1226677563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make it run main with a string being stdin, and print the result
< 1226677569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc that's what we decided on
< 1226677617 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226677632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, post your interp! I was gonan write one once
< 1226677637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should the language allow multiple declarations with same name, but different argument counts? (Overloading) --MizardX 00:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
< 1226677638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ no
< 1226677649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do do when trying to call a declaration while a variable shadows it's name? --MizardX 00:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
< 1226677649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ try to call the variable, and fail if it's not a parser
< 1226677655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to run the "program"? E.g. select a starting predicate and an input string. --MizardX 00:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
< 1226677655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ i just told you this one
< 1226677659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't <wexpr> "[" <piexpr> "]" have it's own non-terminal? --MizardX 00:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
< 1226677659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ probably
< 1226677677 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1226677695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :np
< 1226678171 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226678308 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made it so that it reads from stdin if no input file was specified. python redivider.py bf.rd helloworld.bf
< 1226678326 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where could I upload the code?
< 1226678350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb me
< 1226678396 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that directed at me? Or you welcoming yourself back? ais523
< 1226678404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's me welcoming myself back
< 1226678407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm on a bouncer
< 1226678411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people can't tell if I'm here if I don't
< 1226678414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except from ehird
< 1226678421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1226678423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they can
< 1226678426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/who ais523
< 1226678435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, except by pinging now and again just in case
< 1226678445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or polling some other way
< 1226678930 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... until other arrangements can be made: http://snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/6506 -- Redivider interpreter written in Python
< 1226678954 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226678954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: is that yours?
< 1226678958 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226678969 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-112-35-228.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226679008 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe should add 'by MizardX'...
< 1226680879 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226680975 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226681938 0 :AquaLoqua!n=anonym@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226681963 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what constitues big in terms of primes?
< 1226681979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: it depends on what you need big primes for
< 1226681997 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the GIMPS guys have some pretty big primes :-P
< 1226682014 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 million digits being the record, I think
< 1226682020 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I need them for no real reson reall. But would this be considered big/large: 3^7989-2?
< 1226682032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. pretty big
< 1226682044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say a prime's big if writing it out by digits over IRC is a bad idea
< 1226682073 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say a prime's big if it takes over a day to factorize it
< 1226682093 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, well, it's only 3812 idigits long, so be GIMPS standards that's nothing
< 1226682099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: primes are trivial to factorise, if you know in advance they're primes
< 1226682111 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, does it count if it took *me* a day to find? :P
< 1226682116 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course you're not supposed to know :-P
< 1226682141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, determining if a number is prime can be done in P-time nowadays, determining its factors if it isn't can't be
< 1226682152 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how does one factorise a prime, being the product of itself and one
< 1226682158 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's P?
< 1226682164 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then scratch that
< 1226682177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a recent algorithm, discovered only a couple of years ago IIRC
< 1226682188 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-4-45.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226682202 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ais523, isn't only probabilistic? And still a conjecture of sorts?)
< 1226682219 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*probabalistic :P
< 1226682227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: no, I think it was a definite algorithm, it doesn't tell you the factors though if it isn't
< 1226682232 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff it, typo night is open
< 1226682239 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1226682241 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see
< 1226682243 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1226682264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Mony
< 1226682285 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any links ais523? Hell, if it's faster than Miller-Rabin (7 iters) and it's not probab.. [that word] then I'd be better off with it
< 1226682304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: http://paste.eso-std.org/k
< 1226682310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: it was in New Scientist IIRC
< 1226682325 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 ??
< 1226682338 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmm, I hope they have archives :P
< 1226682345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find the original paper
< 1226682349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mony: Underload interp in Thue
< 1226682365 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1226682382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: http://www.cse.iitk.ac.in/users/manindra/algebra/primality_v6.pdf
< 1226682387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the paper that described the algorithm
< 1226682411 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he-hay, thanks :)
< 1226682430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the algorithm itself is on the middle of page 3
< 1226682455 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copy that, thanks (thought it was this: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17523560.500-prime-number-puzzle-solved-at-last.html - but seeing as I don't subscribe I can't tell)
< 1226682548 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The algorithm (AKS primality test) is fully determistic polynomial time algorithm. But the exponents and constants involved are pretty bad (at least unless GRH is true)...
< 1226682562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: GRH?
< 1226682586 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrmm, so is it practical then?
< 1226682615 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :General Rieman Hypothesis... Note that there later refiniments of the algorithm are asymptotically faster...
< 1226682669 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, latest versions are O(beta^6)...
< 1226682736 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, either way, it's a whole let better than the exponential growth for remainder tests
< 1226682775 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For crypto-grade prime numbers, Miller-Rabin is pretty much the only way to go...
< 1226682779 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which I don't use though, way too slow in comparison to non-deterministic methods that yield acceptable results)
< 1226682796 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's what I'm using :P But I find I have to validate the larger results
< 1226682830 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: Just run enough iterations?
< 1226682833 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raed somewhere that beyond 7 or so iters. Miller-Rabin has no visible difference in accuracy for numbers with less than 3000 digits
< 1226682885 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'm not so keen on idly running cycles.. But, it may be worth it as this last one broke the 3000 mark
< 1226682950 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: For 7 iters, the probability for false positive is 0.006%...
< 1226682964 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/0.006%/<0.006%/
< 1226682988 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p441626313.txt <<< currently compiling this to subleg and running, it does +++>++.<.
< 1226683003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subleg?
< 1226683008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a subleq deriviative
< 1226683014 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanted to finish it before saying anything, but as i'm leaving now, i better tell you so i have some incentive to finish it.
< 1226683026 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err that's just what i hacked up to make it easier to code in subleg.
< 1226683026 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I see. Well, I didn't know that one, hrmm, well then I guess it's mroe than enough for the numbers I'm likely to ever reach (having taking a day or so to find 3^7989-2
< 1226683063 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. means next instruction, #number means the memory slot with offset "number" from current instruction
< 1226683070 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :label:value names a cell
< 1226683074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?label looks up a cell
< 1226683084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are trivial to compile
< 1226683100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, subleg?
< 1226683109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*subleq
< 1226683111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1226683112 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry.
< 1226683135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will do [ and ] tonight, after which it's trivial to do bf -> subleq.
< 1226683154 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: Real prime number finding algorithms probably first do some trial divisions (because you can test a lot of divisiors faster than doing one round of MR, and such tests eliminate a lot of composites).
< 1226683174 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is getting really good for the compile-everything-into-everything-else project
< 1226683178 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wanted to compile something to something because that seems to be the hot stuff today.
< 1226683189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as bf compiles into lots of things, I just need an Underlambda to BF compiler to simplify half the work
< 1226683192 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also god i love esolanging
< 1226683204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that should be simple enough, given that an Underload interp exists in BF which loads all its input in advance
< 1226683214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thus you could simply hardcode the input to get a compiler, bundle-an-interp style)
< 1226683251 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we'd get underload -> subleq
< 1226683260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226683263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and underlambda -> subleq
< 1226683267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :via my underlambda -> underlambda compiler
< 1226683276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should make a program that had all the compilers, and found the shortest paths between compilations for two given languages.
< 1226683279 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then did the compilation
< 1226683285 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given code and the language names
< 1226683286 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, yeah, again, I do that. Trial div by all primes less than 100 000. It's fast, sotred as a constant array and so it does end up cathcing most candidates out rather fast. I gues I should really add odd/even filtering, but I'm not sure if a power of three minus two can be odd (you're probably about to dig up a trivial example of that Ilari). Then again, code denisty vs overall efficiancy
< 1226683297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think Underlambda Special is sufficiently easy to implement that normally it wouldn't need compiling to Underlambda Core first
< 1226683300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's trivial, but might be neat.
< 1226683314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the option's there just in case
< 1226683347 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you could kinda tell it how fast compilers are and it could use that as heuristics (== edge costs) when searching for the compilation sequence.
< 1226683354 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AquaLoqua: Power of 3 must be odd, because 2 can't divide it since 2 and 3 are both primes. So 3^n-2 is odd.
< 1226683363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sounds like a great followup project
< 1226683387 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but that won't take me much more than 30 minutes
< 1226683393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better
< 1226683398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I mean, working on optimising the compilers
< 1226683403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and creating more links
< 1226683411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a direct compilation is better than bundle-an-interp, usually
< 1226683411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just dijkstra + some abstraction + some file stuff
< 1226683420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstraction for getting the graph
< 1226683428 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1226683453 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're going to change the world.
< 1226683456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226683464 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, then my gamble paid off. Heh, Ilari you are but the bearer of good news (had I gone Mersenne Primes though, it would've been different - then again there would've the Lucas-Lehmer I could've used, but why bother, there's already a GIMPS)
< 1226683493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i need to go listen to music and drink alcohol, if i still remember how to do that.
< 1226683494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.eso-std.org/l <--- the output of my Underlambda -> Underload compiler for a very simple program
< 1226683525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program was (x)(y)(z)((X)(Y)(Z))(!)I
< 1226683527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally
< 1226683551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's what it ends up like when all the machinery to support the I command is added
< 1226683574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. actually the compiler could be a bit more complicated, like try multiple compilation paths and find the shortest code produced.
< 1226683577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not very efficient
< 1226683594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could use A* and have the heuristic given for each compiler to choose the order in which to try.
< 1226683598 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and be given a timeout
< 1226683609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone started to read my paste above, btw?
< 1226683624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I want people to implement Underlambda Special, not Underlambda Core (which is a subset of Underload apart from I/O)
< 1226683640 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, but then I decided that it's clearly not designed for making the compiled programs readable :P
< 1226683640 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1226683643 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the I command
< 1226683646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: infra
< 1226683648 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Joy
< 1226683662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know joy
< 1226683666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of like chroot
< 1226683667 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a very boring guy
< 1226683669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes the top stack element
< 1226683672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and converts it to a stack
< 1226683677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uses that stack temporarily
< 1226683683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1226683684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then once the command's finished, it goes back to the original stack
< 1226683697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ((X)(Y)(Z))(!)I is equivalent to ((X)(Y))
< 1226683712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the Z gets popped
< 1226683737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1226683747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1226683751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes the top stack element
< 1226683753 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!)?
< 1226683761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure that's not what you meant.
< 1226683765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infra takes a program and a stack as its args
< 1226683770 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah okay.
< 1226683770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the stack is ((X)(Y)(Z))
< 1226683773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the program is (!)
< 1226683785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((X)(Y)(Z)!) is ((X)(Y))
< 1226683793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the use? i don't have time to think
< 1226683802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot in basic Underload
< 1226683809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you could just have used * instead
< 1226683818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's good for getting the length of a list, for instance
< 1226683827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226683827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by seeing how many elements are in the resulting stack
< 1226683830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also things like sandboxing
< 1226683833 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"n"
< 1226683840 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works nicely with that, methinks
< 1226683842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226683845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's implemented using it
< 1226683899 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens when you run outta stack?
< 1226683910 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that where you see the difference between that and *^?
< 1226683910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints e% and then starts acting randomly
< 1226683914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1226683926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the compiler would be easy to modify
< 1226683930 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then i don't see what the difference between that and *^ is
< 1226683931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do proper stack checks
< 1226683935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... even exceptions, for that matter
< 1226683948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a program that uses the power of I
< 1226683953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a proof-of-concept
< 1226683972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, say you want to take the head of a list
< 1226683974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1226683983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ((A!)_)I
< 1226683985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where _ is dip
< 1226683988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and A! clears the stack
< 1226684088 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not easy to do at all without infra
< 1226684111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A is the ultra command btw, it's sort of the opposite of infra, it wraps the entire stack in () as opposed to a which just wraps the top element in ())
< 1226684206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, what's dip? :P
< 1226684212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my stack terminology is a bit rusty.
< 1226684221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: temporarily remove the top element of the stack, run the command, and put it back again
< 1226684226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~a*^ in Underload
< 1226684233 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a typo for dup then :)
< 1226684243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. (a)(b)(c)(~)_ is equivalent to (b)(a)(c)
< 1226684261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm.
< 1226684269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't it just :^ in underload?
< 1226684280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::^ runs something with itself as an argument
< 1226684291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a)(b)(c)(~):^ is quite different to (a)(b)(c)~a*^
< 1226684291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhh
< 1226684299 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets it.
< 1226684358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized i'm not in any kind of hurry yet
< 1226684367 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try to quickly implement [ and ]
< 1226684388 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Dana"
< 1226685263 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, ended up debuggin my dec :P
< 1226685340 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inc/dec are three instructions, fetch mempointer, use that mempointer to inc/dec using a constant one or negative one, then normalize the middle instruction
< 1226685360 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the memory access is done by setting it's output parameter to mempointer
< 1226685367 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite an obvious construction
< 1226685373 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1226685389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had the code for inc, and changed it to sub without thinking too much
< 1226685420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually set the middle instruction's destination register to -memorypointer, and incremented it, instead of setting it to memorypointer and decrementing it
< 1226685437 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i should make my debug output show the code, not the assembly instructions
< 1226685440 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well
< 1226685444 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i do need to leave.
< 1226685445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1226685500 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i don't xD
< 1226685690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wb, then
< 1226685740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the while loop is less trivial than i thought, at least if i want it to be as short as possible.
< 1226685758 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i initially assumed i'd just write it without thinking
< 1226686098 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least nontrivial the way i'm doing all memory action
< 1226686111 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, rewriting parts of instructions to refer to memory cells
< 1226686118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, i need to erase that info
< 1226686135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which i either need a loop or i need to know what i added to the value.
< 1226686145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you erase them immediately after each instruction is run?
< 1226686147 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if i do some sorta jump, it's not that easy to know what was removed
< 1226686151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, have the instructions self-resetting?
< 1226686173 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm.
< 1226686176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1226686181 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real problem here
< 1226686187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that i'm an idiot.
< 1226686203 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can just subtract the register from itself xD
< 1226686212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, that never occurred to me
< 1226686214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD
< 1226687059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i have a do while
< 1226687089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just goto the end of it and you have a while
< 1226687150 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226687197 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was misleading, that was very helpful, i was going to make a separate ==0 logic.
< 1226687222 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i probably would've realized that's stupid at some point.
< 1226687288 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i've basically done bf now.
< 1226688090 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | I won't it to be challenging... puzzle-like.
< 1226688445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't either.
< 1226688480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ah, a topic reference?
< 1226688485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf -> subleq is nice, anyway
< 1226688490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf -> lots of things is nice
< 1226688504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as Underlambda -> bf should be relatively easy
< 1226688612 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm naming this language subleg, because it's almost subleq, and because i always typo it to subleg anyway.
< 1226688899 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226689002 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol
< 1226689007 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read a bit of what you were talking about
< 1226689009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. something's not working
< 1226689013 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure if i get it
< 1226689049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it was about the finnish word "joka", a relative pronoun
< 1226689060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :refers to whatever is directly on the left of it, in the usual case
< 1226689071 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we argued about whether you can change the referent using another pronoun.
< 1226689081 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok?
< 1226689091 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because why would finns agree on something like that, it's a craaaaaazy language
< 1226689096 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226689102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1226689109 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oklopol
< 1226689112 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening
< 1226689118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of esodevelopments today
< 1226689127 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im doing this generative syntax thing
< 1226689141 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you give the program a set of semantic predicates and it builds a sentence out of them
< 1226689206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we now have almost a BF -> Subleq compiler (oklopol), a BF -> Redivider compiler (MizardX) and an Underload interp in Thue (ais523)
< 1226689265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad for a day's work
< 1226689269 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1226689306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my interp is very slow, it took 11 seconds to run the stock Hello World program IIRC
< 1226689307 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, all of those would have been more impressive in the opposite direction
< 1226689323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subleq -> BF shouldn't be too hard
< 1226689608 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run(bftosubleg("++++++++[->++++++++<]>+.+..-."),False,[])
< 1226689609 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226689614 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>>
< 1226689614 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A B B A
< 1226689627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still called subleg?
< 1226689676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes, SUBLEq with Great extra syntax
< 1226689681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1226689684 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1226689723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p432311255.txt this is the generated program
< 1226689724 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: hm from ais523's interpreter i take it paste.eso-std.org takes pretty big pastes.  since you asked where to put things yesterday.
< 1226689747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you think by the way? it's mostly generated code, after all
< 1226689753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think paste.eso-std.org takes unlimited pastes
< 1226689797 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I'll copy it there.
< 1226689826 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to ask him how permanent it is i guess...
< 1226689858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by grace of ehird, I suspect
< 1226689870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1226689874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :entirely permannet
< 1226689876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*permanent
< 1226689880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what about, OMFG IT'S HUGE
< 1226689915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i become physically or mentally unable to maintain eso-std.org, there is data loss, or I die and nobody takes it over, paste.eso-std.org links should stay up.
< 1226689916 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unreadable, too
< 1226689922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or everyone stops using HTTP)
< 1226689966 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, http://paste.eso-std.org/q
< 1226689967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's mostly generated code
< 1226689988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the large variety of characters that could occur in an Underload program
< 1226689993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some ideas as to how to optimise it, though
< 1226690001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :representing characters in binary, rather than literally
< 1226690009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even better, Huffman codes
< 1226690036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah thue has no way of doing wildcards i guess
< 1226690041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p622341536.txt <<< if anyone is interested in the code
< 1226690053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the cleanest pieces of code i've ever written
< 1226690072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm not saying it's readable though.)
< 1226690104 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually i'm not compiling subleg into subleq
< 1226690118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i modified it a bit, because i felt like it.
< 1226690119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am interested but probably I'll read it later
< 1226690129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a Python -> esolang compiler
< 1226690133 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, if you subtract from -1, the value subtracted is printed
< 1226690139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we can use all the esolang interps written in Python
< 1226690148 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you jump to -1, the execution ends
< 1226690163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX-:
< 1226690163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :""" % {'file':__file__}
< 1226690165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try sys.argv[0]
< 1226690173 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have input in the bf compiler yet, but if you subtract -1 from something, you're actually subtracting user input
< 1226690182 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it really
< 1226690214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can write a small spec for subleg if anyone is interested, although it's not exactly that interesting.
< 1226690239 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that whole thing isn't all that interesting, it was quite trivial to make
< 1226690258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a lot of work, mainly because i'm too stubborn to make debugging easy for myself :P
< 1226690295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah oerjan is right, the other way would be more impressibe
< 1226690297 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*impressive
< 1226690310 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately that is... incredibly hard.
< 1226690357 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: They are the same, and __file__ would work even if the interpeter is called from another module. (Why you would do that I don't know)
< 1226690377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: they are not the same:
< 1226690388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import foobar; foobar.main(sys.argv)
< 1226690399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. setuptools essentially does that, but with 5000 levels of indirection
< 1226690409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__file__ is the code file that it's contained in, sys.argv[0] is the program that was run
< 1226690518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it would probably be relatively easy based on what I've done for gcc-bf already
< 1226690564 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I wouldn't know if the file in sys.argv[0] supports the arguments passed. I do know that the file in __file__ does.
< 1226690575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. Still.
< 1226690622 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could move the syntax-message to the "if __name__ == '__main__'" block instead...
< 1226690647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well it's just the pointer stuff that's hard in both those.
< 1226690657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I have code to handle pointers already, I think
< 1226690661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's very inefficient
< 1226690671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is subleq TC, by the way?
< 1226690672 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's part one
< 1226690676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it have limited memory?
< 1226690676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1226690678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1226690679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1226690679 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just add bignums.
< 1226690683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/subleq
< 1226690688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm,
< 1226690696 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my implementation has bignums, i assumed it always does
< 1226690699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's tc without them
< 1226690702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226690705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asmtc
< 1226690712 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1226690728 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, can't be tc withouth bignums ofc
< 1226690730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, tc with bignums
< 1226690741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if it used relative pointers or something
< 1226690747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1226690749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't
< 1226690753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, probably not all that easy to compile into a non-bignum version of TC
< 1226690759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my BF -> Underload compiler uses bignums
< 1226690767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it doesn't handle input)
< 1226690780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does bf->ul help?
< 1226690797 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing obviously
< 1226690800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a nice link to have
< 1226690807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're compiling subleq into underload, for instance
< 1226690814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could compile subleq -> bignum bf -> underload
< 1226690933 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i did bf->subleq and not the other way around was due to a random choice.
< 1226690949 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just took the first two language names that popped to mind
< 1226690952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1226690957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to ask why subleq in particular
< 1226690960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turned out to happen to be a trivial compilation.
< 1226690963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... someone should update http://esolangs.org/wiki/EsoInterpreters
< 1226691025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i love making interpreters and compiling languages to another
< 1226691054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so do I
< 1226691065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ideally the compiler should itself be in an esolang
< 1226691074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard would it be to translate your compiler to something high-level like INTERCAL?
< 1226691091 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, i don't know intercal.
< 1226691095 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be a great way to learn
< 1226691239 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got that befunge-underload at least, which is not mentioned in that table. Although it was a trivial thing too.
< 1226691264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, time to go get drunk with a few friends.
< 1226691266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm... I'll have to get you to adapt it to befunge-underlambda when I finish speccing underlabmda
< 1226691266 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish me luck :\
< 1226691272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck
< 1226691416 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION leaves
< 1226691419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1226691422 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if underload.b98 counts; it's Funge-98 (thanks to use of STRN), strictly speaking not Befunge.
< 1226691437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a different lang
< 1226691443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Funge-98 is definitely an esolang
< 1226692339 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep"
< 1226692812 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-064-170.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226693468 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226694468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226694786 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((h)(m)):^!S(~:^:S*a~^~a*~:^):^
< 1226694787 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226694791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1226694840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((h)(m)):^!S(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^
< 1226694841 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmhmhhmmhhmhmmhmhhmhmmhhmmhmhhmmhhmhmmhhmmhmhhmhmmhmhhmmhhmhmmhmhhmhmmhhmmhmhhmhmmhmhhmmhhmhmmhhmmhmhhmmhhmhmmhmhhmhmmhhmmhmhhmmhhmhmmhhmmhmhhmhmmhmhhmmhhmhmmhhmmhmhhmmhhmhmmhmhhmhmmhhmmhmhhmhmmhmhhmmhhmhmmhmhhmhmmhhmmhmhhmmhhmhmmhhmmhmhhmhmmhmhhmmhhmhmmh ...too much output!
< 1226694858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226694881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1226694905 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((0)(1)):^!S(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^
< 1226694907 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0110100110010110100101100110100110010110011010010110100110010110100101100110100101101001100101100110100110010110100101100110100110010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110100101100110100110010110011010010110100110010110 ...too much output!
< 1226694919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I'm wondering why you're running that particular program
< 1226694921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oerjan:
< 1226694935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for fun
< 1226694959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's a well-known sequence
< 1226695034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thue-morse
< 1226695153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that Keymaker's Thue-Morse in Underload?
< 1226695199 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, purely by coincidence :D
< 1226695236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keymaker definitely wrote one, I'm wondering if it's the same one or if you reimplemented it yourself
< 1226695253 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reimplemented, afaik
< 1226695271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (:^)(~()~((1)Sa~a*~(~:^:^)*~^)~((0)Sa~a*~(:^~:^)*~^~)~S!!~:^):^
< 1226695274 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::^ ...out of time!
< 1226695275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's Keymaker's
< 1226695285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... must have mispasted
< 1226695311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (:^)(~()~((1)Sa~a*~(~:^:^)*~^)~((0)Sa~a*~(:^~:^)*~^~)~^(/)S!!~:^):^
< 1226695313 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0/01/0110/01101001/0110100110010110/01101001100101101001011001101001/0110100110010110100101100110100110010110011010010110100110010110/0110100110010110100101100110100110010110011010010110100110010110100101100110100101101001100101100110100110010110100 ...too much output!
< 1226695321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was slightly inspired by a fibonacci i saw, i think (putting the initial pair in a list)
< 1226695326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed that it had a literal newline in a string, I changed it to /
< 1226695381 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEEP BOOP
< 1226695391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a sequence of increasing parts of the thue-morse sequence
< 1226695499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226695547 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's just on the talk page
< 1226695598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, a link from there
< 1226695636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://koti.mbnet.fi/~yiap/programs/underload/
< 1226695662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (*/*/*/)S(*)::(a~a*~a*~a*^a~a:*~*^*:(/)*Sa~a*~a*^a~a~*~a*~a*^:^):^
< 1226695663 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/*/*/**/**/***/****/*****/*******/*********/************/****************/*********************/****************************/*************************************/ ...too much output!
< 1226695665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one fails to load
< 1226695673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? it works for me
< 1226695682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a directory listing of Keymaker's underload programs
< 1226695705 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1226695928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds that link to the article proper
< 1226696001 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what in the world are the numbers in that sequence?
< 1226696092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's the Padovan sequence
< 1226696096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what that is
< 1226696102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to give a random link to Wikipedia, then click on it
< 1226696105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[w:Padovan sequence]]
< 1226696108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=Padovan_sequence
< 1226696126 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAIL
< 1226696137 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padovan_sequence
< 1226696145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not fail
< 1226696146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame Konversation not me
< 1226696151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a reasonable thing to do
< 1226696156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my link does go to the right place, after all...
< 1226696164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...
< 1226696188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a dipped version of Fibonnacci, it seems
< 1226696219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the Perrin sequence, which is defined the same way except it starts 3 0 2
< 1226696270 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-129.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226697951 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226698008 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1226698061 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-122-197.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226698846 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226700994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how goes ick, gcc-bf, feather and so on?
< 1226701046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at ais523 juggling a huge number of balls
< 1226701059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: actually I've been working on Underlambda
< 1226701095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226701101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and yeah
< 1226701408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan looks at ais523 juggling a huge number of balls
< 1226701410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get your own channel.
< 1226701431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I also wrote an Underload interp in Thue, I think I told you that already though
< 1226701475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: huh?
< 1226701489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was making a HILARIOUS INNUENDO
< 1226701510 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like juggling esoteric balls in variable gravity.
< 1226701520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah a pun
< 1226701526 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ALL KNOW I HATE PUNS
< 1226701527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it was a very bad innuendo
< 1226701540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not certain I believe you on that...
< 1226701540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Shut up, ball-juggler.
< 1226701551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Thutubot agrees with me, just has no way of indicating that
< 1226701562 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you agree? Y/N?
< 1226701562 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i don't rename variables, i would like to
< 1226701617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot?
< 1226701617 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The only time when you would explicitly wait for a box to be filled is when you branched based on its value.
< 1226701620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226701620 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | but; moreso
< 1226701647 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1226701647 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1226701652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^fool
< 1226701668 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1226701692 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well then
< 1226701704 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cool
< 1226701704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^fool
< 1226701710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf?
< 1226701717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you made it say that
< 1226701722 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure.
< 1226701732 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it fitting.
< 1226701735 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's no fool.
< 1226701735 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what was the 4d about? srfi 15?
< 1226701765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme is such a srfing language
< 1226701779 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surfing?
< 1226701789 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's totally rad dude
< 1226701791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, 4d2
< 1226701792 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smurfing, maybe.
< 1226701792 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm just going to say, you probably want is pair-for-each from srfi 1?) would justify the fnord!
< 1226701799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226701814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just because i'm such a masochist, i made a pun
< 1226701885 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1226701885 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc lovecraft pa speeches ss wp
< 1226701895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style pa
< 1226701896 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: pa
< 1226701902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's that about?
< 1226701903 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it's him. you hit him. instead, press button and wait for the authorities to arrive. maybe you could tell me why your game is a kart racer? yeah. that shouldn't be a problem.
< 1226701948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: argle bargle, glop glyf
< 1226701948 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tomselleck_666: what are you two fairies up to? ( yes is ticked). we'll only need it for the day." so i ask him what their pings are. they're all over the place.
< 1226701974 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it's some other irc channel?
< 1226702015 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fisher
< 1226702016 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fisher
< 1226702023 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how is that fishy
< 1226702024 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ye- yeah it's interesting ah so we're supposed to talk
< 1226702052 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is it that conversation thing?
< 1226702052 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ( ( well see i dialed
< 1226702061 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pa" is Penny Arcade comics.
< 1226702068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1226702071 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Fisher is the telephoen conversation corpus.
< 1226702079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ic
< 1226702079 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ic
< 1226702086 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no i don't
< 1226702091 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1226702100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot?
< 1226702101 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it is and doesn't give a computed `next' stack is the c-intercal version 0.26 ( both the intercal program, but may not appear to have the right software, it's very important to make more memory available to intercal exist, all commands of any of the resulting threads backtrack; this is most likely, this means that you have the correct emulation mode for the full text of the mechanisms available for free for other syntax
< 1226702110 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night
< 1226702113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night Mony
< 1226702123 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx :)
< 1226702126 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1226702142 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it's esoteric but not the same as irc?
< 1226702144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226702145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic?
< 1226702150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hi
< 1226702150 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 7.3 next, forget and resume to that of the result), and the least significant bit is the same name. it's written like an ordinary `abstain' and `reinstate' that point on a whim did an ubuntu package search for ' intercal' and `.2/.1' together cause `.1' to `gcc' is
< 1226702156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's from the INTERCAL revamped manual, IIRC
< 1226702159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226702160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1226702165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226702171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1226702171 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc lovecraft pa speeches ss wp
< 1226702180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, idea show the current one too?
< 1226702185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea:*
< 1226702210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night!
< 1226702317 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss
< 1226702318 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ss
< 1226702322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: and so
< 1226702322 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ang. neere byrnan wood shall we well meet them, and they, stand in assured loss. take up, boy; open't. so, now go with, do miscarrie, thou had'st bin resolute pompey
< 1226702333 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226702376 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmm ... does something have to be a plant to be a vegetable?
< 1226702385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I think so
< 1226702396 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what about fungi
< 1226702399 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are mushrooms vegetables? Is fried algae a vegetable?
< 1226702442 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mushrooms aren't even plants.
< 1226702445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :algae are plants, normally, though, aren't they
< 1226702451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from cyanobacteria which aren't algae really
< 1226702475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think divisions get fishy at that level
< 1226702488 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although fishes are not plants)
< 1226702517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wp claims green algae are plants
< 1226702538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Most algae are no longer classified within the Kingdom Plantae"
< 1226702600 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet, I would call red algae (a delicacy amongst no one) a vegetable
< 1226702708 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure whether that means it is or isn't a delicacy
< 1226702726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to nobody, it's a delicacy
< 1226702734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means that it's really really rare for it to be a delicacy
< 1226702739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, in the abstract, it's a delicacy
< 1226702740 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1226702746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just it isn't a delicacy to anyone in particular
< 1226702750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure some fish disagree
< 1226702774 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP says people eat Cyanobacteria
< 1226702782 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's most CERTAINLY not a plant.
< 1226702789 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is it a vegetable?
< 1226702794 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's more interesting if you have to guess. (In any case the current style isn't actually stored anywhere, just the corresponding file names. Though it would just mean extracting stuff after the last '.'.
< 1226702927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: poop
< 1226702928 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: bianca. and may through all the worlds new fashion planted, that hath so much ouerborne her, that she which marries you, must in your allowance o'reway a whole theater of others. god keep me from their worse then killing lust, and wak'd halfe dead with nothing. worthy martius, had we no other quarrel else to rome, and when you are gentle, you shall not
< 1226702975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o la paloma bianca
< 1226703086 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn it's blanca
< 1226703335 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Mushrooms belong to the biological kingdom Fungi, not the plant kingdom, and yet they are also generally considered to be vegetables, at least in the retail industry"
< 1226703488 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host
< 1226703882 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^reload
< 1226703882 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reloaded.
< 1226703888 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't resist one improvement.
< 1226703893 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc
< 1226703893 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ircR(IRCglogs ofefreenode/#esoteric,efreenode/#schemedandcircnet/#douglasadams)
< 1226703899 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh...
< 1226703904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ic
< 1226703904 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: icI(INTERCALamanual)
< 1226703909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1226703909 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc lovecraft pa speeches ss wp
< 1226703912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style wp
< 1226703913 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: wp1(1/256thfoflalliWikipediaT"Talk:"anamespaceapages)
< 1226703925 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've all got descriptions, but the list wasn't cleared properly.
< 1226703927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's almost right except the text in the parens is garbled
< 1226703932 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226703937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it
< 1226703941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like typical fungot babble
< 1226703943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a smaller scale
< 1226703955 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that the spaces were filled with some other older stuff.
< 1226703976 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226703985 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ic
< 1226703985 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ic (INTERCAL manual)
< 1226703996 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thre, now it's boring again.
< 1226704051 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just used ^code + 'i' to load the updated list (with descriptions) and forgot that it won't clear those parts that had spaces in them.
< 1226704053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style alice
< 1226704054 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: alice (Books by Lewis Carroll)
< 1226704057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1226704064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: add ELIZA dialog
< 1226704072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At some point, sure.
< 1226704091 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style darwin
< 1226704091 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy)
< 1226704114 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think darwin still has that problem with smileys, though.
< 1226704149 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Don't you think Darwin's writings would've been a lot better if he had just used a bit less of the ":)" sign?
< 1226704149 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: leersia oryzoides. pollen-grains :). odorata. palustris. roxburghiana. ruppii. sylvatica. tricolor.
< 1226704180 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised anyone took him seriously like that.
< 1226704222 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot, make a better topic of conversation
< 1226704223 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: not being nested
< 1226704235 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion on not being nested, people?
< 1226704252 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a sad state of affairs, not being nested.
< 1226704257 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone should have a nest.
< 1226704288 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of the INTERNEST
< 1226704300 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but twigs are so rough to sleep on!
< 1226704301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that like the INFORMATION SUPERHIGHNEST?
< 1226704364 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226704376 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :World Wide Webeverse
< 1226704399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did he actually say :)
< 1226704400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1226704421 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's just a bug my scripts used to have.
< 1226704434 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should finish the functions for Mulambda
< 1226704457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently it maps the words "a" and "the" into ":)" and "/".
< 1226704465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: haha, what
< 1226704524 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The script I used filtered unused tokens away, and darwin didn't use all my punctuation (":)" and ":(", most likely) so the last two token numbers that used to be punctuation in the IRC logs were given to the two most common words, "a" and "the".
< 1226704540 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But fungot's Funge-coded tokens-to-text part has the punctuation stuff hardcoded, so...
< 1226704540 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: on september 14, 1862 page 721.) that/ main part :) his letter dated march 10th, 1871.
< 1226704578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current version of the data-eating script doesn't have that bug any longer, I just haven't rebuilt those .darwin data files.
< 1226704629 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OM NOM NOM
< 1226704687 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226704882 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226704985 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes, I think it would be easier to write mulambda in Lazy Bird D:
< 1226704995 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least there's a functional thing!
< 1226704998 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike that fraud Scheme
< 1226705079 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure what sort of "functional language" features Scheme would be missing; and as far as syntax is concerned, it's got quite nice macros.
< 1226705111 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not missing.
< 1226705119 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just annoying for what I'm looking for
< 1226705380 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226705546 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226706561 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1226709004 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.new.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30185035&l=998b5&id=1055580469 I AM THE FIRST WAVE OF THE ZOMBIE INVASION
< 1226709122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brains..
< 1226709158 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoy your AIDS
< 1226709159 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226709260 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226709294 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, CJD
< 1226709405 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((kuru )S:^):^
< 1226709406 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru kuru  ...too much output!
< 1226709469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((ku)(ru)):^!S(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^
< 1226709470 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kururukurukukururukukurukururukurukukurukururukukururukurukukururukukurukururukukururukurukukurukururukurukukururukukurukururukurukukurukururukukururukurukukurukururukurukukururukukurukururukukururukurukukururukukurukururukurukukurukururukukururukurukukuru ...too much output!
< 1226709642 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((desu )S:^):^
< 1226709643 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu  ...too much output!
< 1226709645 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226709690 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | hm
< 1226709708 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot is not amused
< 1226709710 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: chords
< 1226709766 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((optbot! )S:^):^
< 1226709767 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: lol!
< 1226709768 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot! optbot!  ...too much output!
< 1226709768 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot: seems it succeeds
< 1226709779 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226709896 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.new.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30185038&id=1055580469&saved I improved my Zombiism.
< 1226709938 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This content is currently unavailable
< 1226709953 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226709953 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ha
< 1226709955 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha!
< 1226709959 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr, mislink
< 1226709965 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.new.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30185038&l=68f03&id=1055580469 This is what I meant
< 1226710104 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a luxuriant mane for a zombie
< 1226710111 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure they shampoo that often
< 1226710142 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1226710413 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226710642 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luxuriant mane
< 1226711147 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226713295 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226717729 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"So, how much do you love noodles?"
< 1226717860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1226720219 0 :Doitle2!n=Doitle@c-98-214-67-104.hsd1.il.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226725194 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1226728260 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226728278 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-076-164.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226728402 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I substantially improved my zombification!
< 1226728404 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30185196&l=4069f&id=1055580469
< 1226728615 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226729821 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30185196&l=4069f&id=1055580469
< 1226730417 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the twelve time?
< 1226730418 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226730563 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226731290 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | That must have been glorious.
< 1226735999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1226736000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226737141 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@j-231.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226738141 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-4-45.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226738170 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1226741104 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226742070 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1226742163 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226742228 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226743316 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226743624 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226744070 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226744196 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-28.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226744410 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs at RC/Funge-98
< 1226744415 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./funge --help
< 1226744416 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh: segmentation fault  ./funge --help
< 1226745770 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@net-93-145-192-181.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226746823 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. S�, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."
< 1226747085 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226747570 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
< 1226747890 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226747942 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226751299 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226751308 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226752183 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226752578 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226752584 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226752890 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | yep
< 1226754293 0 :adimit!n=Mantaar@mendelssohn.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226754455 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226754462 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226756285 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226756508 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1226756909 0 :Doitle2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226758674 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226759537 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226760522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I seen that before
< 1226760529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I even checked in gdb what the issue was
< 1226760576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc: it was that after he parsed command line arguments he then tried to find where the script arguments begun by scanning for the script name, which ended up as not set
< 1226760964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so strcmp with a null pointer iirc
< 1226760970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it was uninitalised
< 1226762631 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226762677 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226764727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1226764863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1226764871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird
< 1226768478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1226768484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1226768497 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1226768509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (hello)S
< 1226768510 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1226768527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (optbot)S
< 1226768528 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot
< 1226768528 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's a link to it somewhere there but it's broken
< 1226768528 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot: hmm
< 1226768540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I was wondering why thutubot was being slow, must have been a one-off thing
< 1226769653 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1226770016 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226770033 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226770417 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226770433 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (!)(d)(l)(r)(o)(w)( )(,)(o)(l)(l)(e)(H)(~S:^):^
< 1226770434 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! ...S out of stack!
< 1226770458 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Onoes!
< 1226770463 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEED MOAR STAX :
< 1226770465 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1226771387 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :control-D on that line
< 1226774490 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | horrible
< 1226776159 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226776433 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226776802 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226776807 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal
< 1226776821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 100.6 meters
< 1226777329 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this your penis size?
< 1226777520 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226778071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: finnish statistical average, i think
< 1226778668 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226778791 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226779402 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-2-155.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226779457 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226779470 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sup dudes
< 1226779528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all that much, I don't think
< 1226779566 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't think?
< 1226779571 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty dumb!
< 1226779682 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAW HAW U R SO KEVLAR
< 1226779688 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NO RITE?
< 1226779696 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DID YOU SEE WHAT I DID THERE?
< 1226779711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... brains ...
< 1226779722 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: he's impenetrable to bullets?
< 1226779744 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm immune to all sorts of projectiles.
< 1226779791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except cream pies.
< 1226779840 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you clown
< 1226779848 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1226779849 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1226779856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: could you stop with the sex jokes?
< 1226779877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: um i didn't start it this time?
< 1226779896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes you did, you invaded Poland
< 1226779908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creampie is a well-known sex term! that was so improper
< 1226779923 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has a clown fetish
< 1226779924 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but - it's strawberry!
< 1226779934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8|
< 1226779941 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't take this! need to go raed
< 1226779969 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*raped
< 1226779977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think that means the discussion is officially over
< 1226779996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is this some sort of #esoteric version of Godwin's law?
< 1226780004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226780028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I deliberately invoked Godwin's law over in #nethack because there was a GPL vs BSD flamewar starting up
< 1226780031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it actually worked
< 1226780039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226780046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said "someone mention Hitler"
< 1226780047 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh you.
< 1226780111 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1226780131 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, should I put a link to scans of the original article on the Kolmogorov machine page on the esowiki?
< 1226780153 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not street legal, but I'm not sure Kolmogorov would complain
< 1226780168 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's pretty hard to find otherwise.
< 1226780200 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just put up a disclaimer like
< 1226780214 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISCLAIMER: NO ONE IS LIABLE FOR DAMAGES CAUSED BY POTENTIAL COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT
< 1226780224 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they'll be so confused reading the disclaimer they won't know who to sue.
< 1226780232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: don't put copyright violation on the esowiki
< 1226780236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just have to delete it again
< 1226780246 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again? :o
< 1226780250 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never did it before!
< 1226780265 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am shocked and appaled by your insinuations sir!
< 1226780284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: copyvio's been deleted from the esowiki before
< 1226780304 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But has it been posted before, though?
< 1226780316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is it
< 1226780388 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: no matter what happens, make sure you give it to me one way or another, i've been wanting to learn the basics of kolmogorovian computation since i first heard about it
< 1226780399 0 :MikeA!n=noone@adsl-68-126-186-73.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226780409 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol : http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/Kolmo/
< 1226780413 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226780415 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUICK, BEFORE AIS DELETES IT
< 1226780428 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's a copywrite violation though.
< 1226780456 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, the translation is also copywrited, and it's recent. So no dice I guess
< 1226780474 0 :MikeA!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good afternoon, or whatever time of day it happens to be :)
< 1226780489 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello sir
< 1226780492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22.20, so morning
< 1226780495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MikeA: good evening
< 1226780496 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We were just violating copyrights.
< 1226780513 0 :MikeA!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rules are meant to be broken
< 1226780522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not at all
< 1226780522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so's your face
< 1226780527 0 :MikeA!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, maybe bent
< 1226780532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they were they wouldn't have been made in the first place
< 1226780552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Rule: You must break this rule.
< 1226780553 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe put in a space with a metric such that they appear bent
< 1226780555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT NOW???
< 1226780558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT NOW ais523??!??!!
< 1226780559 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coined phrases were made to be taken at face value.
< 1226780564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I never agreed to that one in the first place
< 1226780572 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wouldn't, it would be a stupid rule to agree to
< 1226780572 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I did
< 1226780573 0 :MikeA!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops sorry wrong context..
< 1226780579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you explicitly agree to copyright law?
< 1226780581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they're not meant to be broken from within the system, they're meant to be broken by introducing only a subset of them into another system, from inside a supersystem containing both theses systems.
< 1226780590 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people tend to get that wrong.
< 1226780592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I implicitly did by not emigrating
< 1226780602 0 :MikeA!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie, obey the rules but question them.   copyright, that's different :)
< 1226780607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Rules of #esoteric: You must break this rule.
< 1226780609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gonna /part?
< 1226780609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you should play nomic
< 1226780610 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird : Copyrights laws are international
< 1226780612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226780613 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | How about jumpwalls, which are jumped over such that you land just after the next jumpwall?
< 1226780614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no
< 1226780617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Rules of #esoteric: You must break this rule.
< 1226780618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, maybe :P
< 1226780628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: besides, nobody's bound by those rules
< 1226780630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why aren't you breaking it?
< 1226780631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes they are
< 1226780636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc channels have rules
< 1226780638 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refuse to break this rule
< 1226780640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you violate them?
< 1226780648 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Rules of Freenode: You must mention the logs (http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric) in the topic.
< 1226780661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it depends on how established the rules were
< 1226780665 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, we were having a blast violating copyrights before that discussion :(
< 1226780671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: optbot's topics are pretty established, right?
< 1226780671 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: like this? http://www.nsfwlinks.com/
< 1226780681 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rules depend on the threat of violence
< 1226780683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if fizzie or lament put that into the topic and locked it, then I'd consider it to be more of an established rule
< 1226780684 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1226780696 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that as "optbot's links are pretty established, right?"
< 1226780697 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: (Mark Twain)++
< 1226780703 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226780707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was pretty funny
< 1226780710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye optbot
< 1226780715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be back
< 1226780720 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a tom sawyer fan
< 1226780740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1226780741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot won't start.
< 1226780762 0 :optbot!n=optbot@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226780762 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the entire backlog of #esoteric: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Rule: You must violate this rule.
< 1226780771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, optbot's topics are well-established.
< 1226780771 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Rule: You must violate this rule.
< 1226780775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot: i agree.
< 1226780775 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Rule: You must violate this rule.
< 1226780783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you just modified it, that doesn't ount
< 1226780784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm. Slereah_: did ais523 get to you, i can't get the pages to load anymore 8|
< 1226780785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :count
< 1226780791 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot has also not violated the rule
< 1226780791 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Rule: You must violate this rule.
< 1226780793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone kick optobt for not being a useful bot any more
< 1226780793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i was just improving it
< 1226780797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no
< 1226780799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that isn't an improvement
< 1226780801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optbot!
< 1226780801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when do we kick useless bots?
< 1226780805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: when they lie in the topic
< 1226780817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when was the last time we kicked anyone
< 1226780818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously.
< 1226780822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1226780823 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the latest batch of power-hungry etc
< 1226780827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may not be an improvement in your eyes
< 1226780828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D
< 1226780829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226780838 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol : They work good here!
< 1226780842 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try refreshing it
< 1226780849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1226780852 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/Kolmo/
< 1226780856 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :golmogorog
< 1226780858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my internet connection says "local only" now, so.
< 1226780875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why aren't you violating the rule yet
< 1226780891 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's not violating the rule, ehird
< 1226780892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, because i'm not going to read that right now, can you tell me the highpoints of it, Slereah_?
< 1226780905 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol : It's about the Kolmogorov machine.
< 1226780922 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Out"
< 1226780924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i initiate a criminal cfj against ais523 for violating the Rule.
< 1226780927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: i know, but i don't know how it works
< 1226780929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assign this criminal cfj to jayCampbell
< 1226780937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the only other talking nomic player in here)
< 1226780944 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol : Go see the andrei machine 9000 article on the esowiki
< 1226780952 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226780990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: i am about to crim cfj you for not judgding that
< 1226780993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :judging
< 1226781005 0 :optbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226781010 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Andrei_Machine_9000
< 1226781032 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to my logs, the last time we kicked anyone was 2008-08-10 when ehird (well, tusho) was kicked for insisting to be kicked.
< 1226781038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226781049 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's such a rebel!
< 1226781062 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: the special nodes 0-5 are just an andrei machine 9000 thing, and not related to the original?
< 1226781068 0 :MikeA!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm out, peace
< 1226781072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :peace.
< 1226781079 0 :MikeA!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226781081 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol : The original machine had 0 and 1
< 1226781085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, okay.
< 1226781125 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably the worst algorithmic system there is that wasn't designed for this express purpose.
< 1226781135 0 :thutubot_!n=thutubot@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226781141 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i judge ais523 guilty of violating the rule
< 1226781142 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried writing a Fibonacci thingy on it, but fuck is it long
< 1226781148 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1226781149 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell
< 1226781150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+topic
< 1226781150 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef:/logs:/esoteric | Rules: ehird may not talk in this channel, and optbot may not set the topic .
< 1226781152 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of you
< 1226781155 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost the game
< 1226781168 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi5
< 1226781170 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unknown computational class?
< 1226781171 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so?
< 1226781178 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat?
< 1226781182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:
< 1226781184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you just kill optbot?
< 1226781189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories: Languages | 2008 | Unimplemented | Unknown computational class
< 1226781192 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol : Oh.
< 1226781198 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably fucked up
< 1226781201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well?
< 1226781207 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a known computational class
< 1226781218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, I didn't kill optbot
< 1226781219 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll remove that
< 1226781221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not deliberately, anyway
< 1226781225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what DID you do?
< 1226781228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I killed a process but it was owned by me, and I didn't use sudo
< 1226781238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which process was that?
< 1226781239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I thought you ran optbot under your username
< 1226781248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: a test thutubot process that failed to work
< 1226781285 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get the "active part" thingö
< 1226781286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1226781288 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thing
< 1226781325 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^reload
< 1226781325 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reloaded.
< 1226781326 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1226781326 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin* discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc lovecraft pa speeches ss wp
< 1226781331 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now there's a *.
< 1226781364 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Copyright law of 1993 had specified a general duration of copyrights of 50 years beyond an author's death, or 50 years since the publication of an anonymous work. The implementation act for the law made the new law apply retroactively, restoring copyrights (and neighbouring rights) on works on which the shorter
< 1226781365 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyright terms from the Soviet-era had already expired or which had not been copyrighted at all under Soviet law. In 2004, this copyright term was extended to 70 years for all works still copyrighted.
< 1226781375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: explain active part.
< 1226781377 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess Kolmogorov's paper is still copyrighted
< 1226781413 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol : The active part of a transformation is a part that will undergo changes.
< 1226781426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, specified by the rule?
< 1226781432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there just one rule?
< 1226781439 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are as many rules as you want
< 1226781468 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The active part also doesn't have to be in one piece
< 1226781522 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want an example, try to fucking refresh the page.
< 1226781541 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only one actual example, it is "Doubling a number"
< 1226781560 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's already pretty horrible
< 1226781627 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd write it for you, but it's hard to write a graph
< 1226781666 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-122-197.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226781693 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw.
< 1226781699 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kolmogorov died in 87 :(
< 1226781710 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still 30 years of copyright
< 1226781742 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder who owns the copyright now.
< 1226781745 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mother Russia?
< 1226781752 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's your face.
< 1226781787 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My face is mother Russia?
< 1226781817 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He died a short while after my birth.
< 1226781819 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COINCIDENCE?
< 1226781836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1226782438 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So oklopol, still not loading?
< 1226782447 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is!
< 1226782467 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is" is not an answer.
< 1226782480 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is it just me or does http://codu.org/colormatch/multibg.html not work?
< 1226782494 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: D[D.length - 1] is undefined
< 1226782534 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works
< 1226782537 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's beautiful
< 1226782538 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the non-minified version that's line 89; return results[results.length-1][0];
< 1226782545 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1226782587 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: E_WORKSFORME
< 1226782594 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226782602 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: What browser?
< 1226782616 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a firefox 3.1 nightly
< 1226782634 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was definitely working recently, but stopped a while ago, I just got around to investigating
< 1226782649 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: it is an answer.
< 1226782664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1226782666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is.
< 1226782685 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: Sounds like a Firefox problem X-P
< 1226782707 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is is an answer?
< 1226782781 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: is.
< 1226782811 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, do you feel more knowledgable on Kolmogorov machines now?
< 1226782831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't read it yet!
< 1226782836 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the example : http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/Kolmo/Kolmo%2024.jpg
< 1226782844 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/Kolmo/Kolmo%2025.jpg
< 1226782851 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those 5 rules can double a number.
< 1226782886 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coooool
< 1226782905 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A number is here defined as the number of 2's in a line. They've got 3-4 between them because two nodes of the same types can't touch)
< 1226782910 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or KABLOOEY)
< 1226783012 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1226783051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. i don't see why it doubles exactly
< 1226783054 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will have to ponderize
< 1226783057 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, excellent, it would also appear that my javascript debugger is broken :)
< 1226783060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after buying a drinker
< 1226783060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1226783073 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proof of the TC-ness of it uses recursive functions. A list of numbers is defined by numbers separated with the nodes 5-6
< 1226783080 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: Gwahahaher.
< 1226783103 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I wonder if the piece of paper with my attempt at a Fibonacci is still around
< 1226783150 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and ais523: eodermdrome isn't tc methinks.
< 1226783157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: really?
< 1226783165 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of all possible rules is finite.
< 1226783167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure you can implement some sort of cyclic tag system in it
< 1226783175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes
< 1226783176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1226783177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the set of all sets of possible rules
< 1226783186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having finitely many programs does not imply not TC
< 1226783189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when you have input
< 1226783191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that does
< 1226783199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if any of those programs is a BF interp, for instance
< 1226783201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lang is TC
< 1226783209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I suspect one of them is
< 1226783212 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : Does it have a BF interpreter?
< 1226783222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: it doesn't have any useful programs yet, it's a pain to write in
< 1226783228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. i would say you need to be able to encode the input in the language.
< 1226783230 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I suspect it is possible to write a BF interp in eodermdrome
< 1226783243 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it's not a tc language
< 1226783245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: we're about to have yet another discussion on what TCness actually means, then, I suspect
< 1226783249 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1226783311 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tossonoss
< 1226783326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really a matter of opinion, it can be tc in the way a language with just the "run input as bf" in tc, it's just it's not tc in the way that's interesting.
< 1226783338 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs essentially can't be written in it.
< 1226783365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a BF interp is an interesting program
< 1226783374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1226783384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... arguably, the input is part of the program in that case
< 1226783387 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that only sidesteps the issue.
< 1226783394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226783397 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: apparently you found a way to break Firefox 3.1's JIT, well done :D
< 1226783417 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can make a bf interp, and give it input without actual IO involving an input device, then it's tc in a way i can agree with
< 1226783423 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not possible.
< 1226783450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: eodermdrome + an input device together make a TC system, almost certainly
< 1226783466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is having only a finite amount of possible programs necessarily non-TC-ising, if you have input
< 1226783473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what about this for an argument:
< 1226783481 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: whatever. if the set of programs is finite, i'm never going to see it as an interesting language.
< 1226783487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably possible to make an eodermdrome program which emulates all possible Turing machines, in parallel
< 1226783491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it runs all possible programs at once
< 1226783498 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowly
< 1226783509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mingles together their outputs, with identifiers saying which ones are which
< 1226783514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: yes, but that doesn't matter for TCness
< 1226783527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: then, it's running any program you want, you just have to filter the output
< 1226783531 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KURNEL KLINK, WY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME!
< 1226783537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most people would consider that TC
< 1226783543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Vaughan Pratt, I think
< 1226783571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's a lot better then relying on IO.
< 1226783585 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1226783613 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wee
< 1226783620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: think about it this way: is a Python interpreter TC? It only has one possible program, which is to interpret Python
< 1226783630 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my little sentence generator thing has a subsystem that does graph rewriting :3
< 1226783636 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, i wouldn't say it is
< 1226783640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would
< 1226783641 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not just any graph rewriting, pattern-matched graph rewriting :o
< 1226783670 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, tc or not, it's not an interesting language.
< 1226783677 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive : Code for graph rewriting plox
< 1226783685 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1226783693 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive : Code for graph rewriting plox
< 1226783702 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPEAK ENGRISH NEGR
< 1226783717 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive : Code for glaph rewliting prox
< 1226783722 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: he wants the graph rewriting code
< 1226783733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I'd say it's effectively TC, whether it's TC or not is a matter of semantics, not a matter of computational class...
< 1226783734 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. why? graph rewriting isnt all that complicated
< 1226783734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a graph thing for eodermdrome
< 1226783743 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS IT?
< 1226783746 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes?
< 1226783747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, let's just say it's an uninteresting language.
< 1226783770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok, sorry if you aren't interested in it
< 1226783771 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then code plox
< 1226783775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was rather neat...
< 1226783778 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tc in the way a language that only prints the output of all turing machines is tc, no matter what the input program is.
< 1226783780 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses graph writing to fucking do lexical morphology :D:D:D
< 1226783787 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah, let me upload it.
< 1226783795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: would you say non-TC languages can be interesting?
< 1226783798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well i guess you could think of it as a kind of graph-rewriting assembly.
< 1226783801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Splinter or Malbolge, for instance?
< 1226783809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, they sure can, assemblies are like that
< 1226783810 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION found his attempt at a Fibonacci in graph rewriting
< 1226783820 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least part of it
< 1226783821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Malbolge-T would be Turing-incomplete by your definition, as it can only have a finite number of programs too
< 1226783839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are almost tc, and you can just kinda increment one of their variables to get more computational power, like the size of registers
< 1226783856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i think about eodermdrome that way, it seems much nicer already.
< 1226783873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could just make it a matrioshka language
< 1226783881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say the program + input is the actual program being run
< 1226783902 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: http://wellnowwhat.net/linguistics/SemSyn/generator.js
< 1226783911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's another way to think of it that makes it more interesting.
< 1226783932 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the relevant functions are under the Derivational Lexicon section, functions lexical_derivation, single_lexical_resolution, and multiple_lexical_resolution
< 1226783940 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah okay you've convinced me for now, i will not plead for adding an infinite amount of labels.
< 1226783966 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java Script?
< 1226783968 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duuuude
< 1226783973 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, mostly the first two. the last one is multiple application of the second plus collecting the rewrite rules that were applied in an array
< 1226783980 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, javascript. i know. :(
< 1226783995 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its the easiest way for me to get a semi-portable interface
< 1226784001 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could code it in PHP actually
< 1226784009 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it'd _have_ to be on my server and i dislike that idea
< 1226784010 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :php is worse than js
< 1226784016 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but php is more portable
< 1226784028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah tell me about portability.
< 1226784031 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that it runs backend not locally so conditions never change
< 1226784037 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some interesting environments for javascript these days
< 1226784043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all know what a massive fuck about it i give
< 1226784051 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scratch that, I'll do it myself!
< 1226784060 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With BLOOD AND BONES!
< 1226784065 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally i'd like to write this in scheme but scheme doesnt have a convenient UI system.
< 1226784065 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are blood and bones TC?
< 1226784071 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UI?
< 1226784077 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226784086 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, user interface?
< 1226784100 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can plug my JS code directly into an html file and get all the UI crap out of that
< 1226784110 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :input and output for free, with hardly any work.
< 1226784130 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226784141 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I wonder if I can easily do graphs as a GUI with Python
< 1226784142 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably migrate this shit over to ObjC and make an _actual_ program
< 1226784143 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1226784144 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee
< 1226784170 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want this to remain web-workable so i should probably do it in PHP. but i hate php :(
< 1226784183 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok im off to get foods
< 1226784184 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye <3
< 1226784221 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it in scheme and a scheme interpreter in PHP
< 1226784225 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something
< 1226784589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, there are no videos on youtube of someone actually beating http://www.foddy.net/Athletics.html by running
< 1226784720 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I ran 2 meters :D
< 1226784728 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ran a hundred
< 1226784736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shoppe ->
< 1226784817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Rules: ehird may not talk in this channel, and optbot may not set the topic .
< 1226784830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels wrong to me that channel topics don't have edit summaries...
< 1226784851 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have. On mIRC at least
< 1226784855 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also in the logs, technically
< 1226785103 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226785107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric
< 1226785109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :osnap
< 1226785145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (:aSS):aSS
< 1226785145 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS
< 1226785145 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS
< 1226785151 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ass.
< 1226785306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi
< 1226785307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw
< 1226785349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are computer architectures called "architectures"
< 1226785355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it related to houses?
< 1226785457 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Architecture isn't necessarily related to houses.
< 1226785490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226785493 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As documentation, usually based on drawings, architecture defines the structure and/or behavior of a building or any other kind of system that is to be or has been constructed." -- wikipedia
< 1226785494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WLIW arch
< 1226785499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not VLIW
< 1226785501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but WLIW
< 1226785527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VLIW is Very Long Instruction word
< 1226785534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Word*
< 1226785545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think WLIW is kind of neat
< 1226785558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wood Logs In Walls
< 1226785878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (:aSSorted):aSSorted
< 1226785878 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSSorted):aSSorted
< 1226785878 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSSorted):aSSorted
< 1226785886 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o u
< 1226785899 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an unlambda bot here?
< 1226785907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAFAIK
< 1226785920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: not yet
< 1226785926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSSorted):aSSorted is an invalid program
< 1226785928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: stop exploiting bugs in thutubot
< 1226785935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226785937 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1226785944 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, ais523
< 1226785947 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (:aSS(orted):aSS(orted)
< 1226785948 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226785948 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226785952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1226785953 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RULES ARE MEANT TO BE BROKEN
< 1226785957 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (:aSS(orted)):aSS(orted)
< 1226785958 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS(orted)):aSS(orted)
< 1226785958 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS(orted)):aSS(orted)
< 1226786052 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ul (:aSS(orted)):aSS(orted)
< 1226786070 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS(orry about this...)
< 1226786071 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786071 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786071 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786071 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786071 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786071 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786071 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786071 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786071 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786072 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786072 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786072 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786073 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786074 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786075 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786076 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786077 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i love you
< 1226786078 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786079 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786080 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786081 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786081 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226786082 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786083 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786084 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786085 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786086 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786087 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786088 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786089 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786090 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786091 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786092 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786093 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786094 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786095 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786096 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786097 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786098 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the hell are there two thutubots here anyway
< 1226786098 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786099 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786100 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786101 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786102 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786103 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786104 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786105 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786106 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786107 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786108 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786109 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226786110 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:aSS(orted)):aSS(orted)
< 1226786110 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786110 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS(orted)):aSS(orted)
< 1226786111 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786112 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786112 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ass related purposes
< 1226786113 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is great
< 1226786114 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786115 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786116 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786117 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786118 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786119 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786120 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786121 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786122 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786123 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786124 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786125 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786126 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786127 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786128 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786129 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786130 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786131 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((^ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786132 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786133 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((^ul )S:aSS)(^ul )S:aSS
< 1226786134 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786135 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786136 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((^ul )S:aSS)(^ul )S:aSS
< 1226786137 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786137 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(^ul )S:aSS
< 1226786138 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786138 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((^ul )S:aSS)(^ul )S:aSS
< 1226786139 0 :thutubot_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ThutuBot quitting"
< 1226786140 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786142 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (+ul )S:aSS)(^ul )S:aSS
< 1226786149 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul  ...: out of stack!
< 1226786152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(^ul )S:aSS
< 1226786153 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786153 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus thutubot died the way he lived
< 1226786154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry ehird...
< 1226786160 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((^ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226786160 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((^ul )S:aSS)(^ul )S:aSS
< 1226786160 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((^ul )S:aSS)(^ul )S:aSS
< 1226786169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: MAKE IT WORK >::(
< 1226786182 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that works, to an extent, but fungot is smarter
< 1226786183 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: mr., bees :) different hives visiting different kinds :) flowers are concerned, there seems to be from a cross with a fresh stock, and :)/ upper margin is not at all agree, but merely pro bono fnord fnord.
< 1226786190 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... about some things
< 1226786297 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: what book is that kolmogorov thing from btw?
< 1226786325 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol : One of those best sellers book that everyone can find!
< 1226786344 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"American Mathematical Society Translations Series 2 Volume 29"
< 1226786356 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I wanted to put it there, it's very hard to find
< 1226786377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226786391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"series 2 volume 29", i'm sure there's a torrent :P
< 1226786409 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol : You can try, but I sure as hell didn't find any!
< 1226786439 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you get it?
< 1226786456 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used book website.
< 1226786553 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want to buy "Science without numbers", but it's fucking expensive as hell
< 1226786566 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been out of print for 20 years, so the books are like $170
< 1226786579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your life is so much more exciting than mine
< 1226786607 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also involves more gay sex
< 1226786694 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make it less *exciting*?
< 1226786709 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sex is teh boring
< 1226786722 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sex? on
< 1226786730 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you know, oerjan?
< 1226786731 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zing!
< 1226786735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, true
< 1226786764 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, never mind, I think I'll just not complete that sentence
< 1226786795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just means we'll have to do it
< 1226786807 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sex? on top of a zebra
< 1226786829 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd do it.
< 1226786838 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if it's WITH THE ZEBRA
< 1226786854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to leave that ambiguous
< 1226786959 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_ doesn't understand puns
< 1226786970 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1226786971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1226786981 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to make a joke, but it doesn't work.
< 1226787001 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and your puny jokes
< 1226787029 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one kills year after year,.
< 1226787048 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand. I just want to have sex with a zebra.
< 1226787080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "zebra" is a cool word i guess.
< 1226787113 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you pronounce it?
< 1226787128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the x is silent
< 1226787180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also invisible.
< 1226787188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true that
< 1226787195 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also can't feel it
< 1226787207 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you can only smell it
< 1226787218 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It smells of zebra sex.
< 1226787241 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does your face
< 1226787243 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1226787247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i still not reading
< 1226787257 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't had such an unproductive day in months.
< 1226787274 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/zebra claims americans and brits pronounce it differently
< 1226787276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alcohol = bad
< 1226787330 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, I pronounce it the british way, which one would you use?
< 1226787359 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well before i looked it up i thought it was long e, so american
< 1226787382 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you also say the letter Z as zee?
< 1226787386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yez
< 1226787395 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1226787400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the letter itself
< 1226787405 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zedbra
< 1226787407 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zodbra
< 1226787414 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i learned it as zed
< 1226787429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say it as "zing"
< 1226787439 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KNEEL BEFORE ZOD
< 1226787492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides behind a lead wall
< 1226787513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. i'm going to leave now. if i come back in less than, say, three hours, please say something insulting about my mother
< 1226787517 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tha'll teach me.
< 1226787518 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1226787543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it would be unhealthy to claim Zod had a bra, though
< 1226787578 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iunno, that suit wasn't very manly.
< 1226787641 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chestert-shirtprinter.co.uk/images/t-shirt-wholesale/Cool%20t-shirts/Zod-Sticker.jpg
< 1226787657 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you really bet money on the fact that this guy has no bra?
< 1226787925 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :general zod?
< 1226787926 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats that from
< 1226787927 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226787937 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Superman
< 1226787940 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second movie.
< 1226788028 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes right
< 1226788041 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION never saw
< 1226788134 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should see the first movie.
< 1226788145 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see a NAKED LITTLE BOY in it D:
< 1226788192 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH?
< 1226788194 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YUM.
< 1226788229 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1226788243 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the little Superman gets out of his vessel.
< 1226788261 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess pedophilia wasn't such a big scare back then!
< 1226788689 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or back when the Simpsons Movie came out.
< 1226788778 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all part of the gay agenda, warrie
< 1226788784 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just so they can have sex with little boys
< 1226788878 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1226790365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1226790408 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it is
< 1226791940 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tumtitum
< 1226792009 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is A Cock and Bull Story, with its painful incident when the author (as a young boy) was pissing out of a window.
< 1226792015 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the type that slides up)
< 1226792871 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226793496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, just got your mail \o/
< 1226793614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, btw at some point I will probably implement DATE and maybe also EVAR. Maybe NCRS too
< 1226794311 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations on passing your mycology exam :)
< 1226794367 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes he could be as productive as you people
< 1226794374 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is mostly not sarcastic
< 1226794682 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226794707 0 :warrie_!n=Peggy@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226794733 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :warrie
< 1226794928 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226795377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: we're productive?
< 1226795480 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION listens to the final episode of The Brightonomicon on BBC 7.
< 1226795488 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah, you write actual code
< 1226795496 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes
< 1226795505 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've actually done very little of that in the recent months.
< 1226795522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly been reading, not sure you can call that productive
< 1226795562 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: your mom got impregnated by a zebra
< 1226795584 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
< 1226795616 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, why does this info come to me through you? i should really try to keep better in touch with my parents.
< 1226795646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because you asked us to
< 1226795682 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:18  oklopol> okay. i'm going to leave now. if i come back in less than, say, three hours, please say something insulting about my mother
< 1226795714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's now 01:34 here)
< 1226795755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, i had so forgotten that thing i said like 5 minutes ago :P
< 1226795782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that was sarcasm IF YOU DIDN'T NOTICE : |)
< 1226795804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sarcasm, thought it was alzheimer
< 1226795880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alzheimerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
< 1226795887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to my readings
< 1226795919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second reads are always nicer, i remember pretty much everything, so i can just skip almost every page
< 1226795974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------------->
< 1226796161 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol "zebra" comes from "wild ass", puts this whole conversation into perspective really.
< 1226797124 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note also that zebras are black with white stripes rather than white with black stripes
< 1226797179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whacks olsner ----###
< 1226797200 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION returns
< 1226797202 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it lacked a certain something, but good nonetheless.
< 1226797226 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what lacked and what did it lack?
< 1226797251 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have used more rum
< 1226797300 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing I went /away to listen to
< 1226797383 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Brightonomicon
< 1226797484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that
< 1226797528 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that was on the radio:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00fksh6
< 1226797730 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to bed.
< 1226797937 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my leg is already sleeping, maybe I should follow it soon
< 1226798266 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my back is already hurting, so guess i should start hitting the other parts of my body against a wall or something.
< 1226798300 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, even it out a bit
< 1226798338 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're in luck though - it's far easier running forward into a wall than running backwards into a wall
< 1226798379 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm fluent in both.
< 1226800416 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird (or whoever can answer): In Jumpfuck, does a continuation include the memory pointer, or just the instruction pointer?
< 1226801380 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1226806368 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1226806554 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226809850 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226810521 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-130-100.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226812877 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226817775 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226822399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1226822400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226822782 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226823278 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"So, how much do you love noodles?"
< 1226825949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning
< 1226827343 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning! :D
< 1226827581 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226827811 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226828592 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226828768 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226834176 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@72-160-127-4.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226834240 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226834244 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@72-160-127-4.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226834325 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226834613 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@72-160-127-4.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226834625 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-4-45.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226834682 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1226835153 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1226835154 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@d7-201.rb.gh.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226835263 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226835266 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@d7-201.rb.gh.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226836037 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226837919 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@d7-201.rb.gh.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226838594 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226839862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: ehird (or whoever can answer): In Jumpfuck, does a continuation include the memory pointer, or just the instruction pointer?
< 1226839865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just instruction
< 1226840782 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1226842631 0 :moozilla!n=moozilla@d7-201.rb.gh.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226844276 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-241.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226845192 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226845408 0 :moozilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226845410 0 :metazilla!n=moozilla@d7-201.rb.gh.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226848160 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226848238 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That would duplicate the argument on the tape. The next cell being the argument, the current cell replaced by the value of the argument; Leaving two copies of the argument, starting from the current position.
< 1226848251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: Ah, I misunderstood you.
< 1226848253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, memory pointer too.
< 1226848259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not the actual memory contents.
< 1226848260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously.
< 1226849370 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1226849934 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I think I managed to build simple subroutines, but they don't support recursion. http://pastie.org/316101
< 1226849946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: very nice!
< 1226849965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: hmm, is that fortran-style calling?
< 1226849968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each function gets one frame on the stack
< 1226849971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no recursion
< 1226850015 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since only one argument is allowed, you can either pass the return address, or an argument. A function without arguments isn't very useful.
< 1226850043 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... return continuation
< 1226850095 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1226850112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: Hm, the one argument thing is a bit of a problem, but -
< 1226850115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know how to do lists in brainfuck?
< 1226850118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 VAL 1 VAL 1 VAL 0
< 1226850135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You traverse over, using your list-index as the hopper instead of 1, and decreasing each time
< 1226850136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorta.
< 1226850144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do that, just specify an index in the list as an argument list...
< 1226850144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1226850251 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... using a call stack at the beginning of the tape...
< 1226850287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tee hee...
< 1226850291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JumpFuck was a 5 minute thing...
< 1226850334 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how to find your way back when you return from the sub-routine?
< 1226850357 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory pointer would be positioned at the stack
< 1226850460 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuation call for that too? It would be a lot of overhead for a simple sub-routine call...
< 1226850600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: Well, subroutines aren't that cheap...
< 1226850618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, a continuation is just two integers...
< 1226850622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And calling it is just setting two.
< 1226850876 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... too tired to think about that now. Time to go and buy some pizza! :)
< 1226850996 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortran-style sub-routines for call/return, and the rest using the stack.
< 1226851778 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Won't be back for a while..."
< 1226852535 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
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< 1226852680 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226852904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1226853568 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226854454 0 :warrie_!n=Peggy@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226855024 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-60-43.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226855443 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226855777 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1226855778 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1226856363 0 :AquaLoqua!n=anonym@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226857397 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226857563 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1226858293 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1226858320 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1226858332 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (oOOoOOooOOoOOo)S
< 1226858332 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oOOoOOooOOoOOo
< 1226858347 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about that.
< 1226858398 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^ul^ul (^ul)S)S
< 1226858398 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul^ul (^ul)S
< 1226858420 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Dana"
< 1226858465 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226859033 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((+ul)S)S
< 1226859033 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+ul)S
< 1226859051 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (+ul (foo)S)S
< 1226859051 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (foo)S
< 1226859051 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo
< 1226859119 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (^ul (+ul (foo)S)S)S
< 1226859119 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (+ul (foo)S)S
< 1226859132 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (+ul (^ul (foo)S)S)S
< 1226859132 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (^ul (foo)S)S
< 1226859132 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (foo)S
< 1226859173 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (a\nb)S
< 1226859173 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a\nb
< 1226859219 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (a
< 1226859220 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226859238 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (a
< 1226859239 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226859249 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geh.. breaks on both cr and lf
< 1226859264 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul xxx
< 1226859277 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1226859280 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul xxx
< 1226859280 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn!
< 1226859286 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (xxx
< 1226859287 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226859289 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (xxx)
< 1226859301 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's valid but a no-op
< 1226859464 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((foo):S:^):^
< 1226859465 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo
< 1226859493 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (S:^):^
< 1226859494 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S:^ ...: out of stack!
< 1226859545 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226859546 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((+ul )S:aSS)(+ul )S:aSS
< 1226859595 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-7.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226859668 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( ) pushes content onto stack, S prints top of stack, : duplicates top of stack, a wraps top of stack in parenthesis
< 1226859679 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :executed from left to right
< 1226859732 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: yes that's a random subset of underload command alright.
< 1226859746 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I can remember
< 1226859762 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! is pop, it's like "fuck off!!"
< 1226859764 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1226859765 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1226859769 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, like that
< 1226859777 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (foo)(bar)!S
< 1226859777 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo
< 1226859793 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ swaps the two topmost stack cells
< 1226859815 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's it.
< 1226859832 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (foo)(bar)SS(foo)(bar)~SS
< 1226859833 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barfoofoobar
< 1226859868 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can remember ~ from like a worm that wiggles into the stack and brings out cell number two
< 1226859880 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to make fun memory pegs.
< 1226859888 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're weird
< 1226859899 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226859982 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (foo)(bar)*S
< 1226859983 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foobar
< 1226859985 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tired
< 1226859994 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep
< 1226860011 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i gotta read / complain about not having read enough this weekend
< 1226860023 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: are you new @ irc and old @ esolangs.org?
< 1226860031 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*new @ #esoteric
< 1226860050 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a week or two
< 1226860101 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your nick sounds familiar, but i don't remember seeing you here
< 1226860108 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki
< 1226860114 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the same time
< 1226860118 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i c.
< 1226860134 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :planning on compiling more stuff to other stuff?
< 1226860204 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll see... trying to get Redivider -> C working
< 1226860222 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the implementation language?
< 1226860227 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python
< 1226860253 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking subleg->bf, afaik there aren't that many cycles in the compilation graph.
< 1226860262 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that true for interpretation only
< 1226860282 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and ais inspired me to do bf->subleg on friday
< 1226860299 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice when people do stuff, gives me incentive to do at least as much stuff.
< 1226860303 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1226860305 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1226860315 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a very competitive weirdo
< 1226860320 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1226860360 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to climb Mount Everest tomorrow. >_>
< 1226860394 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, maybe should go to sleep. I'm sitting here laughing at my self
< 1226860431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: then may i assume your nick comes from mountain wizard extreme"?
< 1226860433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*
< 1226860442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"moutnain wizard extreme"
< 1226860445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1226860454 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typing is hard
< 1226860630 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a joke, a lie to get rid of the competition. Bad joke, since I was the only one laughing.
< 1226860742 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mizard was originaly from Lizard, but "Wizard" was later adopted. X was first just a letter, and now means unknown/secret. An alias so to speak.
< 1226861049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a bit dissappointing, mountain wizards are cool.
< 1226861069 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: How goes the running?
< 1226861074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 100.6
< 1226861078 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Well done!
< 1226861081 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!
< 1226861086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one day ahead of schedual
< 1226861112 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1226861143 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend on other channel had (without provocation) gotten to the same 100.2 result with exactly the same technique I used.
< 1226861160 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and i watched the youtube clips, everyone is doing it that way
< 1226861162 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except me
< 1226861200 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may make a vid at some point
< 1226861526 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i may want to get a better jump
< 1226861534 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i basically just fell on my face at the end of track.
< 1226861544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was almost fainting from excitement at that point
< 1226861583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1226861588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's shoppe time
< 1226861588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
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< 1226862637 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@net-93-145-206-55.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226862887 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1226862889 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1226863489 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1226864248 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-067-146.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226865327 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1226866172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I implemented a SQL fingerprint, would anyone use it?
< 1226866178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about you fizzie for example?
< 1226866241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and ATHR isn't dead if anyone thought so
< 1226866246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a lot to do recently
< 1226866346 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :biden
< 1226866526 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could i secure my Oracle server with an SQL fingerprint reader? :3
< 1226866666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1226866669 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite would be cool :)
< 1226866672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funge fingerprints -_-
< 1226866695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, question is, would anyone use it?
< 1226866704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would it fit into the funge "feel"?
< 1226866735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would be sqlite
< 1226866766 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just better to wait until the need arises?
< 1226866772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1226866799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if anyone wanted sqlite, would they even consider funge?
< 1226866845 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone wanted anything, would they even consider funge?
< 1226866858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: fingerprints are terrible for authentication
< 1226866868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, heh
< 1226866872 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i know :p
< 1226866877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226866881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION have been working with mysql for most of the day :/
< 1226866883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible
< 1226866890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my choice however
< 1226866911 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster have been neglecting subject-tensed-verb-agreement
< 1226866911 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd rather use any sort of funge SQL fingerprint than mysql
< 1226866924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait
< 1226866927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, same
< 1226866927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is AnMaster talking?
< 1226866928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd make more sense
< 1226866935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation was ever so slightly surreal
< 1226866938 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes he is
< 1226866939 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1226866939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1226866942 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1226866943 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no
< 1226866943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food
< 1226866945 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster is not talking
< 1226866948 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just #esoteric
< 1226866948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1226866952 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of COURSE its surreal
< 1226866975 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold the newsreaders nose squarely, waiter, or friendly milk will countermand my trousers!
< 1226867003 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not as much surreal as obfuscated
< 1226867007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have two cows. The government gives you arthritis.
< 1226867023 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obfuscated? sir, its surreal!
< 1226867030 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would FRIENDLY milk countermand your anything?!
< 1226867041 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely only mean milk would do that
< 1226867045 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens all the time in these parts
< 1226867062 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when Dali was asked if he did drugs he replied "My dear, I /am/ drugs"
< 1226867089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am bugs
< 1226867135 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is someone speaking?
< 1226867140 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have everyone ignored
< 1226867148 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1226867150 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226867160 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ILONY
< 1226867509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bread with garlic butter yum
< 1226867548 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION steals AnMaster's garlic bread
< 1226867553 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION breathes on the channel
< 1226867555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :already ate it
< 1226867566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just *back* from the meal
< 1226867569 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs bsmntbombdood through the eye
< 1226867582 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :breathe on me again, motherfucker, see what you get
< 1226867588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION breathes on ehird
< 1226867593 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my glass on, loser
< 1226867594 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thats hot
< 1226867595 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1226867599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1226867607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1226867614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1226867623 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eye
< 1226867628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<psygnisfive> anmaster have been neglecting subject-tensed-verb-agreement
< 1226867632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf did that mean?
< 1226867649 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AnMaster have been working with mysql for most of the day :/"
< 1226867654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226867655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had*
< 1226867656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226867658 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1226867659 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226867661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226867670 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AnMaster" is third person singular
< 1226867677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1226867678 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretend you're talking about ehird
< 1226867681 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ehird have ..."?
< 1226867683 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely not
< 1226867690 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not unless you're british and ehird is a band
< 1226867697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am
< 1226867698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1226867699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, but my client shows it as <nick> peforms /me: <data>
< 1226867701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1226867703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have 1 member: ehird
< 1226867703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O SHI
< 1226867707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, what is the right form for that?
< 1226867717 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERFORMSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
< 1226867725 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :third person singular agreement. :P
< 1226867728 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (perform)SSSSSSSS
< 1226867728 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perform ...out of stack!
< 1226867732 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have is first person
< 1226867739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, now that was odd
< 1226867742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226867744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226867745 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or third person plural, or second person
< 1226867746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1226867749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stack underflow
< 1226867751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not raelly no.
< 1226867755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rully
< 1226867763 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raelians!
< 1226867771 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they believe that life on earth was made by aliens
< 1226867775 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who guided human evolution
< 1226867785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1226867786 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who were immortalized as the gods (and then god) of the bible
< 1226867787 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1226867908 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1226867913 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was totally conversationally relevant.
< 1226867922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all
< 1226867942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why psygnisfive went back on ignore
< 1226867968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(timed one)
< 1226867984 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna ignore a random person here now
< 1226867994 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: this is #esoteric
< 1226867999 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no such thing as conversational relevance
< 1226868000 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1226868006 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gricean maxims do not apply here
< 1226868008 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a command for getting the name list
< 1226868017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, /names
< 1226868018 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can someone list it for me
< 1226868023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't work.
< 1226868024 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :SendQ exceeded
< 1226868027 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226868032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, /quote names?
< 1226868034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listed in the server window.
< 1226868035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or /raw names
< 1226868044 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirc usually lists on the channel, although it's verry random
< 1226868049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1226868074 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, in mIRC script? there's definitely a way of getting the internal name list...
< 1226868116 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226868119 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1226868125 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typing /names completely trashed limechat :O
< 1226868130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'MizardX' says python
< 1226868146 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just hope he doesn't say anything interesting for a while.
< 1226868161 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done. and i thought i'd never get to use that feature! :D
< 1226868172 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ey what
< 1226868200 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ey what what?
< 1226868209 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets make love and listen to death from above
< 1226868260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute girl.
< 1226868267 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ey?
< 1226868283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the video
< 1226868287 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that song?
< 1226868300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya
< 1226868305 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
< 1226868323 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shes a girl.
< 1226868404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the turn-on!
< 1226868412 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the turn-off :(
< 1226868415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i'm a weirdo.
< 1226868458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye! ->
< 1226868461 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye <3
< 1226868471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, * psygnisfive has quit (SendQ exceeded)
< 1226868472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226868479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the heck it was doing
< 1226868490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably outputting names to channel or something silly
< 1226868502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes the timed ignore is over
< 1226868527 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets try it agaiin :o
< 1226868529 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :SendQ exceeded
< 1226868530 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no optbot? :(
< 1226868546 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226868547 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1226868554 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it outputs the names to the log window
< 1226868557 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it disconnected me
< 1226868558 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1226868564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: sorry. it was murdered.
< 1226868573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ais523 put a rule in the topic saying it can't change the topic.
< 1226868576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that pretty much settles it.
< 1226868586 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just typing /names tho got me names form a bunch of different rooms
< 1226868589 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL of them maybe! :o
< 1226868652 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/names is teh shit
< 1226868741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226868744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot channel
< 1226868745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1226868753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client adds the current tab
< 1226868754 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226868762 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client is stupid
< 1226868763 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226868883 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk shower
< 1226868890 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill be thinking of you all ;D
< 1226869246 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't think about me, i'm inthinkible!
< 1226869342 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. S�, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."
< 1226869578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so who was it that sent you (and all us on CC) that hate mail about fingerprint behaviour?
< 1226869590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't figure out who it was
< 1226869799 0 :ais523_!i=93bc93e6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1fd5b997710970ac JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226869799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_
< 1226869837 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Language::Befunge's author, there was more discussion on the mailing list there between me and him... he's still not convinced but he agreed to implement it our way
< 1226869909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, err didn't it say his interpreter failed far before
< 1226869913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ais523_
< 1226869934 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: actually I'm not actually here, ehird just decided to say hi to me for no reason
< 1226869944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, nice one
< 1226869964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, so who was it that said that?
< 1226869979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you are attempting to apply logic to AnMaster
< 1226869993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I responded back with logic
< 1226869998 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> ais523_, so who was it that said that? <--- I don't understand
< 1226870004 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226870007 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ?
< 1226870012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, who am I talking with if you are not there?
< 1226870038 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ask ehird, he's the one who said hi
< 1226870044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1226870049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ehird is ignoring me
< 1226870052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wouldn't work
< 1226870059 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... ask one of the bots to ask ehird then
< 1226870070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, or I can ask you to ask him?
< 1226870076 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good idea
< 1226870083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: the answer is "kill yourself and i'll tell you"
< 1226870086 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: who did you say hi to when you said hi to ais523_?
< 1226870087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very helpful answer :D
< 1226870098 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not really
< 1226870111 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, probably false as how could you tell I'd killed myself in the first place?
< 1226870123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1226870149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking to AnMaster
< 1226870176 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: still doesn't solve the fundamental problem, just mess around with the pronouns
< 1226870198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1226870346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, anyway who are you?
< 1226870373 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE IS YOUR GOD
< 1226870376 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WORSHIP HIM
< 1226870388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, now that made 0 sense
< 1226870426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while I was thinking ais523 would simply redefine here to solve the issue
< 1226870441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is after all not physically in this channel, nor is anyone else
< 1226870460 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, I wasn't attempting to make sense at all, I was just blatantly lying in the hope of an interesting conversation
< 1226870469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1226870607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what are you doing?
< 1226870638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1226870649 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird -> AnMaster -> psygnisfive
< 1226870655 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nothing atm
< 1226870657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1226870657 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's make a cycle!
< 1226870658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any updates on underlambda?
< 1226870660 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just idling in #esoteric
< 1226870668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, err
< 1226870671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1226870677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that was a timed ignore
< 1226870692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is gone since over half an hour
< 1226870696 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, I've been either playing Battle for Wesnoth, sleeping in a panic because I've realised it's 6pm, going to a roleplaying club, or coming here and idling
< 1226870698 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cycle?
< 1226870698 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226870702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226870702 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without my laptop on me
< 1226870705 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol
< 1226870707 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, cycle complete.
< 1226870716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, you play wesnoth too?
< 1226870717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: doesn't work, AnMaster doesn't have you on ignore anymore
< 1226870718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange
< 1226870720 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what you have to do.
< 1226870727 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see
< 1226870730 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ignore cycle
< 1226870731 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, so do lots of people
< 1226870744 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the most popular computer games on Linux...
< 1226870756 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more worrying is that I actually recognise some of the people in the credits)
< 1226870768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, well hm, I saw ESR in it
< 1226870771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one scenario
< 1226870776 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226870776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tracks wesnoth svn
< 1226870777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the task of converting search problems to graphs is complex yet useful enough to deserve some kinda language-level support.
< 1226870780 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the #nethack regulars are there too
< 1226870793 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not a serious enough player to track the svn
< 1226870794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, I wonder why the heck it is that popular though
< 1226870800 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, their .cfg files are Turing-complere
< 1226870803 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Turing-complete
< 1226870810 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might write a BF interp in them sometime
< 1226870812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, I have suspected that since long
< 1226870818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tc-ness I mean
< 1226870825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those WML or whatever they are called
< 1226870828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language
< 1226870828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another idea i'd like to try in a language is that of keeping everything local, mainly you have certain ways to get information from another part of the algorithm even though you didn't store it there
< 1226870835 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they have while loops, and you can generate infinite storage using several different methods
< 1226870842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, and IMO it is a horrible hacky macro language
< 1226870854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as bad as m4
< 1226870855 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muriel-style, creating and unrecalling units to have a huge unit set, or generating identifiers on the fly
< 1226870856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not worse
< 1226870863 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but I like m4
< 1226870867 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for actual programming in, though
< 1226870873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, creating a lot of units will crash wesnoth
< 1226870875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried
< 1226870878 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1226870885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you'd do with english, something like "loop this action here; now do some other action; now print the number of cycles you went around the loop" <<< you wouldn't actually say, when describing the loop, that we're storing the cycle count
< 1226870886 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :patch it
< 1226870893 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you create them all on the map?
< 1226870904 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :create and unrecall/store would be the more obvious way to get lots of units
< 1226870910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, more than 500 units in the recall list doesn't really show up in reality
< 1226870912 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the recall roster can fill up and crash it, that's a serious bug
< 1226870922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also even with around 100-200 units recall is awfully slow
< 1226870927 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it could do in a long enough campaign, I suppose
< 1226870935 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, the UI would be a pain if you had 200 recallables
< 1226870937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, usually it won't happen
< 1226870965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the long epic campaigns usually manage to kill off a lot of units
< 1226870978 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1226870988 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be trivial if you were /trying/ for it
< 1226870991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, over the burning sands, Northern rebirth, whateverh that new one is
< 1226870992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226870995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot the name
< 1226871005 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know which ones are new and which ones aren't
< 1226871007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loves those huge campaigns
< 1226871011 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but decent into darkness is infinitely long
< 1226871018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well yeah also I hate it
< 1226871023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't like tragedies
< 1226871029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer happy endings
< 1226871032 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do I, I decided I didn't like it when I saw it was infinitely long with a stupid ending
< 1226871046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legend of Wesmere
< 1226871048 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prefers codereading computer games to playing them...
< 1226871048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the new one
< 1226871054 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, I don't have that one
< 1226871062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, mainlined in svn iirc
< 1226871067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not last release
< 1226871083 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'll wait for the distro to package the release, I think
< 1226871089 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1226871094 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC Ubuntu just copies Debian for Wesnoth
< 1226871094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is the not yet mainlined Invasion from the Unknown
< 1226871097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is so huge
< 1226871102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is split into two campaigns
< 1226871114 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can you recall from one to the other?
< 1226871116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it takes over a minute for wesnoth to "build cache"
< 1226871127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, at the end of the first you can choose to continue
< 1226871136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you hardly have any units left at that point anyway
< 1226871139 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226871147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and almost no gold
< 1226871152 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you could have just left some good ones in recall anyway just for the hell of it
< 1226871172 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the carry-over gold doesn't matter nearly as much as campaigns have to allow for that possibility anyway
< 1226871182 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the minimum gold should always be enough to complete the level IMO)
< 1226871182 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kinda strategy thing?
< 1226871186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well you are surrounded by something like 5 high level undead armies in the last two battles
< 1226871188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1226871189 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes
< 1226871201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any details worth knowing?
< 1226871236 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it has a TC programming language to describe levels, although AnMaster doesn't like it it seems
< 1226871269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1226871276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is true of many dsl's, is it tc in an interesting way?
< 1226871279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I think it is ugly
< 1226871287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it has a "while", i'm scceptical
< 1226871290 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sceptical
< 1226871293 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm... their programming lang looks vaguely XML-based, it has [if] condition=true [then] {DO_STUFF} [/then] [else] {DO_OTHER_STUFF} [/else] [/if] as the main conditional construct
< 1226871299 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, the control flow is very typical
< 1226871303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, xml? oh yes xml with []
< 1226871306 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inlined procedures + do + while
< 1226871308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I guess
< 1226871317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, aren't those {} macros?
< 1226871320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik
< 1226871325 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only interesting thing about it from a TCness point of view is you have to do tricks to get infinite storage
< 1226871326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat like mediawiki {{}}
< 1226871328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really
< 1226871330 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and {} is a macro reference, yes
< 1226871336 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well that's a shame, i'd've wished you'd need to make some kinda computer ai for tcness...
< 1226871349 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the AIs are in Python, IIRC
< 1226871350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't need the actual game for it, that's already a big minues
< 1226871352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1226871355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err
< 1226871360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ iirc?
< 1226871363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything worth knowing about the actual game?
< 1226871366 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, the game itself is in C++
< 1226871374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, fantasy themed RTS
< 1226871377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn based
< 1226871379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite good
< 1226871383 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: turn-based, hexagon-based, rules are quite simple, unusual in the amount of difference between the sides
< 1226871390 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it is so not an RTS, it isn't real-time it's turn-based
< 1226871392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./ai/python/safe.py
< 1226871394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1226871396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are right
< 1226871399 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226871417 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a huge amount of variety for a strategy game
< 1226871423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah right
< 1226871423 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them just have 2 or 3 types of objective
< 1226871427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an TBS?
< 1226871429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. i almost want to try that
< 1226871452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you make a level that was actually just a chessboard with chess rules?
< 1226871457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and the variety is partly due to the tc-ness
< 1226871459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1226871462 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, I think so
< 1226871469 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.
< 1226871474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds to todo list
< 1226871485 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it would be quite difficult, you'd have to say "that's an illegal move" a lot and kill people if they didn't undo it
< 1226871485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, LoW even contains a scenario where you give the allied AI orders
< 1226871490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very unusual
< 1226871496 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else change the terrain so only legal moves were possible
< 1226871497 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, that was my idea
< 1226871498 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doable
< 1226871500 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1226871503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually niver
< 1226871504 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nicer
< 1226871519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, and you can say "this is more important than that"
< 1226871532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be great if you saw the mechanics of how the rules worked when playing the game
< 1226871542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have an eso feel to it.
< 1226871553 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the mechanics of the game itself are all in the open
< 1226871559 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, if you try to attack someone, say
< 1226871570 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives you all the stats and calculations, and how it came to them
< 1226871570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that dialog
< 1226871575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226871577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1226871588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, often it is just depressing however ;P
< 1226871593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that game work on windows?
< 1226871602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think so
< 1226871607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why would anyone want windows?
< 1226871611 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you know that each of your attacks has a 50% chance of hitting and does 4 damage and heals you 2, except your opponents attacks have a 70% chance of hitting, alternate with yours and will halve your damage potential when they hit, but it only has 2 of them and you have 6
< 1226871620 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it does I think
< 1226871620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it comes with the laptop
< 1226871636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, don't forget "first strike" "defense", type of ground and so on
< 1226871637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226871644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the various modifiers
< 1226871654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and attributes
< 1226871666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like quickness, resilience
< 1226871669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1226871680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, sometimes the maths for it is a nightmare
< 1226871687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... wonder if there's some other more robust game so you could add unit building and other stuff to it.
< 1226871692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you could install another OS too?
< 1226871703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, units do advance
< 1226871704 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by robust i mean, if you change chess even a bit, it's an entirely different game
< 1226871705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to new levels
< 1226871711 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Go?
< 1226871720 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i would install another os if that was easy.
< 1226871721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not.
< 1226871723 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... the thing's played on a hex grid though
< 1226871728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no cd?
< 1226871740 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ubuntu's pretty easy on Windows nowadays, you can download an installer and install it as a Windows program
< 1226871743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wesnoth is on a hex gird isn't it?
< 1226871744 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done that before
< 1226871746 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1226871746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming it'd take more than clicking a button and waiting for 5 minutes
< 1226871755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much my limit
< 1226871761 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it is clicking a button, asking a few questions and waiting for about 10 minutes
< 1226871764 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*answering
< 1226871767 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can get around the hex grid.
< 1226871772 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes
< 1226871773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226871774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1226871783 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well okay, that sounds easy
< 1226871785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the hex gird would mess up chess
< 1226871788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't work
< 1226871792 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weschess would be an interesting project, come to think of it
< 1226871799 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just i have a feeling it just wouldn't work, and i'd have to do more than just that.
< 1226871799 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes it would, use alternate columns and alternate rows
< 1226871805 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have a standard chessboard
< 1226871805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't even get mingw to install
< 1226871813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm maybe you could approximate it using 4x4 or so?
< 1226871816 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason when you were helping me do that, i only installed C
< 1226871819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i need c++
< 1226871823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just override the move rules
< 1226871826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some odd way
< 1226871832 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, sometimes it doesn't work first time, and you need to ask for help, but I've had much less trouble installing Ubuntu than I have for Cygwin
< 1226871848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same
< 1226871858 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, you can change terrain at runtime, and unit's terrain movements at runtime
< 1226871858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd prefer if someone just installed it for me.
< 1226871870 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm getting so goddamn tired at installing things.
< 1226871877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I think LFS is simpler than cygwin
< 1226871881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess most wouldn't agree
< 1226871889 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what's LFS?
< 1226871896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux From Scratch
< 1226871898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never learn to do it myself if the one-click method doesn't work, and it never does.
< 1226871899 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226871906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gives you a manual
< 1226871910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lets you do the job
< 1226871912 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know of it
< 1226871914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i never learn, based on having done it a thousand times)
< 1226871915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you learn a lot
< 1226871917 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just I didn't get the acronym straight off
< 1226871919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't
< 1226871925 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm an idiot at stuff like that
< 1226871929 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have auto-built a linux distro from source, but it was Makefile-automated
< 1226871937 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the makefile was full of wgets to places like kernel.org
< 1226871942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you do learn
< 1226871945 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked fine the first time but the dependencies were all screwed up
< 1226871952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you learned one thing
< 1226871962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you learned that you never learn anything else
< 1226871963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1226871972 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but slowly, and i get frustrated and occasionally hit my screen.
< 1226871976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not exactly healthy
< 1226871980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1226871985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm very violent when it comes to machines.
< 1226871987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is bad for the monitor
< 1226871996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it wouldn't help
< 1226871999 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1226872001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the computer case
< 1226872003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is relevant
< 1226872004 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans never piss me off, though, for some reason
< 1226872005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226872017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what about an AI? would it piss you off?
< 1226872026 0 :ais523_!i=93bc93e6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e57734767519e178 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226872027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_
< 1226872031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ais523
< 1226872032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ais523_
< 1226872033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*
< 1226872037 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does Mibbit log me off at random every now and then for no good reason
< 1226872079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should I know?
< 1226872094 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't know, haven't met one
< 1226872101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what were the other ways for storage in wesnoth you said?
< 1226872116 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muriel-style might work, but I'm not sure
< 1226872122 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you do evals at runtime?
< 1226872125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, hm not familiar with that one?
< 1226872130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muriel that is
< 1226872137 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Does fungot piss you off when it doesn't work?
< 1226872138 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: some ancient submarine volcanic origin, a high hill :) feldspathic clay-slate projected, retaining its usual defined outline, dead, and one which was just perceptibly fnord and this yields 0.25 per cent.
< 1226872143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't know WML syntax very well
< 1226872153 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: basically, the only way to do flow control is to construct a new program, then replace the original program with it and rerun from the start
< 1226872159 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like Underload where ^ doesn't return
< 1226872179 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think you can store any number of units in one variable
< 1226872180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, I suspect it woudln't work to do that
< 1226872194 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it becomes an array automatically
< 1226872200 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no obvious limits on array length...
< 1226872214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since wesnoth fully expands the file when building the cache
< 1226872221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I doubt eval is allowed
< 1226872223 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, ok
< 1226872230 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even imports?
< 1226872231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however I could be wrong
< 1226872231 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so...
< 1226872236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm not sure
< 1226872248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but it expand all macros
< 1226872280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: when has it not worked?
< 1226872282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I have that idea for a syntax less language, somewhat like lisp, but even less syntax
< 1226872293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if you heard about it ais523 ?
< 1226872302 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Well, I hear it doesn't exactly always make sense.
< 1226872308 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, I didn't, but Underload is pretty short on syntax...
< 1226872311 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i never have an actual need to get fungot working, so i don't think it would piss me off.
< 1226872311 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: goura coronata and victoriae, hybrids :).
< 1226872315 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is Befunge fwiw
< 1226872329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i haven't experienced that
< 1226872329 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Malbolge is even shorter
< 1226872331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my language got truly no syntax
< 1226872338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, everything is done using the file system
< 1226872344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main/command
< 1226872346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1226872362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just modify the directories and filenames on your file system
< 1226872363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the extent of bot malfunctioning i can think of is that thutubot doesn't always gracefully terminate on erroneous input.
< 1226872365 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's much more syntaxful than Malbolge, I think
< 1226872368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :symlinks for calling other functions
< 1226872372 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have an entire directory tree worth of syntax there
< 1226872375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tries to evaluate with undefined output
< 1226872383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah but that isn't a syntax really
< 1226872385 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it wasn't designed to handle erroneous input
< 1226872393 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as you noticed, it uses {{ }} for some internal stuff
< 1226872399 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ({{)S
< 1226872399 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{
< 1226872403 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ({)S
< 1226872404 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{
< 1226872410 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (})S
< 1226872410 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}
< 1226872415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that's why it's not really malfunctioning, just the closest thing to bot malfunctioning i can recall.
< 1226872418 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (})(S
< 1226872419 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time!
< 1226872419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}}
< 1226872426 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226872427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> }=}
< 1226872432 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul }}
< 1226872437 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (}})S
< 1226872437 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}}
< 1226872440 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((}}))S
< 1226872441 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(}=)}
< 1226872446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that was it
< 1226872448 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there we go
< 1226872454 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite hard to set it off in the first place, it seems...
< 1226872466 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, no idea how the = ended up in output, maybe there's a bug in my Thutu interp
< 1226872472 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or somehow it got escaped
< 1226872517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((}}))S
< 1226872517 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(}=)}
< 1226872519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hn
< 1226872521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm*
< 1226872529 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god there's a lot of ideas in my brain
< 1226872540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying, why can't they come at a steady pace :|
< 1226872565 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, they have to come in bursts. and usually when i don't have time to program or spec anything
< 1226872588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mainly because i get ideas from doing stuff, and if i'm doing stuff, i usually need to finish it)
< 1226872593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, just write down the ideas
< 1226872593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i guess that's pretty common)
< 1226872651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does it reset it's internal state between the commands or?
< 1226872671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it corrupted now?
< 1226872678 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, the internal state is wiped out by a very match-everything regex every iteration
< 1226872681 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should still work fine
< 1226872708 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :driving it into an infiniloop is the only real way to disrupt it, but I suspect even that's impossible unless I've screwed up the out of time code somehow
< 1226872709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well i do, it's just i need to be excited about the idea as well, and i tend to forget parts of it, because not all is explicit in my head and thus writable down, and lose some of the interest.
< 1226872737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a lot of ideas in lists that i have no idea what the point is anymore :P
< 1226872754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, maybe there was no point?
< 1226872784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ideas always have a point. if nothing else, the point is there's no point in the idea.
< 1226872794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preventing me to make the same mistake again
< 1226872881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that GC idea i had. i've developed a whole new intuition of inherently "amortizedly trivial, hard to do online" problems from that, after i couldn't get it to work
< 1226872909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, eh?
< 1226872916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, details?
< 1226872957 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i'd invented an online GC algorithm that worked fundamentally differently than doing it amortizedly, but at the same time as continuing running the program.
< 1226872979 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I liked your GC idea too, but I thought "wow that will be difficult, if even possible, to implement"
< 1226872990 0 :warrie!n=Peggy@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226873020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember it
< 1226873023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i got out of it was a pretty strong impression that you cannot do it. of course algorithmically it's the same whether you do it online, or whether you run the GC in the background
< 1226873047 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, "online"?
< 1226873050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, can  you tell me how it worked?
< 1226873079 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: keep an invariant true as you read input, and not make it true in a monolithic action.
< 1226873108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, when was this so I can read logs?
< 1226873120 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i have no idea. i can't estimate time
< 1226873122 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all
< 1226873128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1226873132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grepped logs
< 1226873134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found nothing
< 1226873140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after summer, before this weekend
< 1226873155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing
< 1226873156 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly cannot pinpoint better.
< 1226873159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must have been offline
< 1226873165 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's impossible to find things in the logs.
< 1226873176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, so tell me the details about it?
< 1226873190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because so far I got no clue how it would have worked
< 1226873192 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tell you the details of an algorithm that's fundamentally broken?
< 1226873197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes
< 1226873208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh i don't remember anymore.
< 1226873229 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was some kind of extension to refcounting.
< 1226873237 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tried to detect cycles
< 1226873282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after taking into account every kind of graph that can emerge, it ended up running some sort of mark-unused-things GC everytime you did something to a reference.
< 1226873324 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember being here when that was talked about, and having some serious doubts about the workability of it all.
< 1226873330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeNode-#esoteric.log.bz2:sep 03 22:45:23 <oklopol>    Last week, Chris Lattner — who manages the Clang, LLVM, and GCC groups at Apple — announced that work was well underway to bring ‘blocks’ to the GCC and Clang compilers. ‘So what?’, I hear you ask, ‘My kid has been using blocks since he was 9 months old.’ Fair point, but maybe not these blocks.
< 1226873332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is all
< 1226873349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i remember lolling at that
< 1226873351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty badly
< 1226873369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, that was a pretty bad idea.
< 1226873369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeNode-#esoteric.log.bz2:sep 25 23:25:56 <oklofok>    aaaanyway, this is kinda like connected components, you can do it for the whole graph in O(n) (the GC approach), or find the connected component of every node separately in O(n^2) (the refcounting thing); it's just the latter will actually be closer to O(n) if there are only a few references that cannot be "optimized", and you more easily can do
< 1226873369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it online
< 1226873371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1226873394 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Try 2008-09-26; "rootrefcount" is a good word to grep for.
< 1226873400 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you found it.
< 1226873412 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i had some idea for optimizing the amount of things you need to check.
< 1226873422 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was fundamentally wrong, because you could always get around it.
< 1226873486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p466532445.txt ?
< 1226873497 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was some example
< 1226873524 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, basically, i tell you about one of my rare sucky ideas, and you dig it up and throw it in my face? :P
< 1226873558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had tons of great ideas, much more of those, have i mentioned GRAPHICA THIS WEEK YET, GRAPHICA IS PRETTY COOL
< 1226873565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah I fail at IRC and listening to radio at the same time
< 1226873590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, maybe
< 1226873597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm doing nothing but ircing
< 1226873598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: whatever you do, don't start chewing gum
< 1226873606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, eh why would I?
< 1226873607 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you haven't mentioned graphica this week.
< 1226873609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it a bad pun?
< 1226873613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1226873616 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i should then
< 1226873631 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not being able to do things while chewing gum is sort of a meme
< 1226873633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: recall you mentioning more languages should have prolog-like returns
< 1226873639 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226873650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you remember the example where i parsed brainfuck using graphica 2.0, that used those
< 1226873652 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1226873653 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so nice for functions to work backwards as well as forwards as son as you right them
< 1226873660 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*write them
< 1226873665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can give a variable as an argument with syntax ?x
< 1226873684 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally saw that used later in another language, although just as a comment to notate which are usually returns)
< 1226873685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh ok
< 1226873694 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can bind them in the nodes
< 1226873717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, s/son/soon/
< 1226873748 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphica is fun to use for parsing, because you're very explicitly building a tree. that's really all you can do in the language :P
< 1226873765 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2.0 doesn't let you rewrite the graph yet, just adds more computational power for building it.)
< 1226873776 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly the variables.
< 1226873806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two shorthand syntaxes, one based on eodermdrome, one based on predicate logic.
< 1226873837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# has a funny syntax where "nullable" -- a bit like the Haskell "Maybe" type -- primitive types are declared like "int? x;". It's a (arguably) reasonable syntax, but for a C programmer it just looks a bit... weird.
< 1226873863 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the programmer was saying "well, maybe an integer, I guess... not quite sure. what do you think?"
< 1226873869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a nice practical addition
< 1226873889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the syntax, and yeah, that's what it looks like :P
< 1226873960 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you need to check for x.HasValue and use x.Value when you want to actually use it. I think. There might have been some form of auto-boxing/unboxing thing. I'm not a C# person.
< 1226874005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is meant for talking with SQL iirc
< 1226874059 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not exclusively for that, but I'm sure they've been thinking databases when inventing that one.
< 1226874285 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes the word "eodermdrome" itself is a eulerian cycle on K5
< 1226874296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226874328 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, it is
< 1226874330 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me who coined it
< 1226874337 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226874340 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I came up with the whole idea for the lang after seeing the word
< 1226874352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eodermdrome?
< 1226874355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf does that mean
< 1226874361 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "a word which is a eulerian cycle on a nonplanar graph"
< 1226874373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226874377 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was coined to produce an 11-character example of that, as no real words did that
< 1226874458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226874484 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are real words which are eodermdromes, but all of them are longer than 11 chars)
< 1226874575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how do you define a graph in that word?
< 1226874583 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is disappointed that anagolf doesn't have INTERCAL as a language
< 1226874611 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it has vertices e, o, d, r, m, and arcs from e to o, o to d, d to e, e to r, and so on
< 1226874615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, mail the owner?
< 1226874630 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might do some time when he's online
< 1226874634 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he uses Freenode
< 1226874663 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226874668 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :online atm, but hasn't nickserv-identified for 11 weeks
< 1226874707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh
< 1226874709 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's long enough that someone else could take the nick
< 1226874722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not if a client is connected
< 1226874732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you need to take the nick first
< 1226874734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with /nick
< 1226874742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they could if he disconnects
< 1226874742 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to somehow kill the old nick to be able to take the nick to identify
< 1226874924 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My nickname is the K1,3 (also called The Claw, although maybe without the definite article and the capitalization) if you ignore the zz-loop.
< 1226874936 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad
< 1226874939 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine's just a 5-chain
< 1226874947 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 6-chain with the underscore
< 1226875082 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going for a while, will be back soon
< 1226875083 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1226875142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226875157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it case sensitive?
< 1226875216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^
< 1226875415 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, according to http://esolangs.org/wiki/Eodermdrome it's actually lowercase-only; but feel free to use any definition.
< 1226875431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226875445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would my nick look?
< 1226875468 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lowercased, it's a triangle with a 4-path hanging from one node.
< 1226875475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226875497 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"anma" is a triangle, and then the "aster" part is just the path.
< 1226875509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well this is the correct caseing
< 1226875523 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ----<| pretty much.
< 1226875538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226875572 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While I'm a \|/ if you don't allow for loops.
< 1226875573 0 :ais523_!i=93bc93e6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ddc005e5aeb097ea JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226875573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_
< 1226875624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does hello world look like in that Eodermdrome? As far as I understood it got output?
< 1226875625 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who here is it that has trouble coming up with names for esolang projects?
< 1226875640 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, it does, but any nontrivial Eodermdrome program is very hard to write
< 1226875648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, hello world?
< 1226875671 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I can't remember if you can output multiple characters at once
< 1226875677 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't it's difficult
< 1226875682 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the page you can.
< 1226875685 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to needing things to happen in the right order
< 1226875686 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1226875691 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's an "output string", not a character.
< 1226875701 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't remember if I put it online
< 1226875744 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thequickbrownfoxjumpsoverthelazydog (Hello, world!) a
< 1226875747 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would work, I think
< 1226875769 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I came up with a good name for nothing in particular
< 1226875779 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wondered if anyone wanted it for a project
< 1226875786 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226875825 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "ceci n'est pas un acronyme récursif"
< 1226875840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cnepuar?
< 1226875848 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't a recursive acronym?
< 1226875863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiara?
< 1226876381 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, there's no Eodermdrome implementation?
< 1226876407 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1226876409 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh magritte
< 1226876412 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre so funny :)
< 1226876745 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oklopol wrote one I think
< 1226876765 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and yes, "this is not a recursive acronym"
< 1226876803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm but it isn't is it?
< 1226876819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cn[e]puar?
< 1226877006 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it isn't
< 1226877014 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it refers to itself using "ceci", that's not acronymising
< 1226877017 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's completely correct
< 1226877033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it should be :/
< 1226877040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be so much more ironic then
< 1226877106 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I don't know enough French to get that to work
< 1226877114 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: is there any way to get it to work?
< 1226877173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cnepuar n'est pas un acronyme récursif", i presume
< 1226877176 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cnepuar n'est pas un acronyme récursif" works, no?
< 1226877236 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well i've implemented eodermdrome
< 1226877246 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least to the point where i could finish it trivially
< 1226877253 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have all the logic there
< 1226877254 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if "est" is considered an independent word...
< 1226877265 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1226877270 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm blind
< 1226877285 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, it's close enough I suspect
< 1226877299 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to get ceci n'est pas in there somehow, but I suppose it still works...
< 1226877312 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you are aware that subgraph isomorphism is NP-complete?
< 1226877327 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just found out
< 1226877345 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that just means it's inefficient, not noncomputable
< 1226877347 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so implementation is not going to be entirely efficient in theory
< 1226877348 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I didn't know that
< 1226877351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what does ceci? mean?
< 1226877353 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would explain how hard it was to write...
< 1226877355 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "this"
< 1226877356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/i?/i/
< 1226877358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah
< 1226877366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty simple to write imo
< 1226877403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't aim at anything more than a few simple local optimizations though
< 1226877490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that i start with nodes that have a lot of connections; anyway, the point is np-complete matching isn't an issue in practise, because most matchings will probably be quite simple
< 1226877538 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of research on isomorphism testing, and I think also reasonably efficient (for small-ish graphs, anyway) algorithms too.
< 1226877592 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coooool
< 1226877638 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's not a problem since the subgraph cannot have more than 26 nodes...
< 1226877747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you prove a program "formally correct"
< 1226877753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand how that works
< 1226877757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider BitC for example
< 1226877770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bitc-lang.org/
< 1226877973 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either much in the same way you'd prove that an algorithm works (given the semantics of the language, do the necessary deductions and see that it actually does what you want), or alternatively with some exhaustive model checking.
< 1226877985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226877992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you do it for normal C?
< 1226877995 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess "with difficulty" would've been an appropriate answer too.
< 1226878001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it would be extremely hard
< 1226878012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering pointers
< 1226878015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example
< 1226878031 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, no. Well, not with any automation support, anyway, and not without formally defining what C does.
< 1226878071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um?
< 1226878212 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there are no tools (that I know of) that would help you automate the formal verification process for C programs. And the C standard isn't really written as a formal definition that you could do mathematical reasoning with.
< 1226878328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can prove your algorithm to be correct, and then make sure the program carries out the steps of the algorithm
< 1226878355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proving something directly from the c program sounds like a harder job
< 1226878392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226878399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about pointer aliasing?
< 1226878433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointers make it harder to prove things because you lose locality.
< 1226878452 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you just need to prove things about where the pointers can possibly point to.
< 1226878457 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1226878467 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sounds like fun, btw
< 1226878472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like odd things
< 1226878478 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Model checking is a fancy thing too, except a bit limited; that one is based on exhaustively (but in a reasonably smart way) searching all possible states the program can be in, and making sure the invariants and such you care about hold everywhere.
< 1226878496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, interesting
< 1226878501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds more useful
< 1226878508 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done a bit of that with PROMELA -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promela -- for one course.
< 1226878543 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
< 1226878563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope we have something like that in turku
< 1226878571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turku?
< 1226878577 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: A city in Finland.
< 1226878590 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems the menu is a bit limited though :|
< 1226878591 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A city with a university, more to the point.
< 1226878597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226878621 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the city where i go to university" is what you need for context
< 1226878634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was probably obvious
< 1226878648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226878701 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1226878720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is it a programming language or a tool for working on programs written other languages?
< 1226878749 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Promela is a language, Spin is the model checking tool for Promela programs.
< 1226878760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226878795 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although typically Promela is just used to prove that the protocol or whatever you are interested in is deadlock-free and stuff; I don't think people actually use that for implementing things.
< 1226878808 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which makes implementation bugs again a possibility.)
< 1226878826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it open source?
< 1226878851 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, yes. Not quite sure, though.
< 1226878878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1226878886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however not useful for the languages I program in
< 1226878890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want it for C
< 1226878891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1226878971 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would probably be very difficult to do exhaustive model checking for C either; Promela is designed so that you hopefully don't end up with a horrible amount of possible program states.
< 1226879028 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Promela/Spin quite easily chokes on "too large state-space to exhaustively search" issues anyway.
< 1226879089 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a C program with a unsigned char foo[1024]; in it, there's immediately 2^(1024*CHAR_BIT) potential program states, and it's not very trivial to automatically deduce which states are actually different.
< 1226879133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source code annotation?
< 1226879151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as "all these values mean nop"?
< 1226879191 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably closer to doing logical deductions manually about the program; of course it could help some tool a bit.
< 1226879213 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well you could do that lazily, only branch in the proof where those cells are actually used for something
< 1226879223 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't help with the underlying problem ofc
< 1226879229 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proving is impossible
< 1226879271 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Promela has some "let the programmer help the tool a bit" features too; things like marking some instructions to be performed atomically, because otherwise it needs to think about all the possible ways those instructions can be scheduled with different threads.
< 1226879271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1226879446 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our Promela/Spin stuff was for the "Parallel and Distributed Systems" course here; but they tend to change the course contents every year.
< 1226879551 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: If you're talking about UTU, quick googling says there's DTEK8028 "System Verification and Design for Testability" -- but they might not talk too much about formal verification. You people seem to have quite little information about your courses in the interwebs; or I might not be looking at the right places.
< 1226879566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, very little
< 1226879578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find a bit more in the study guide though, or what's it called again
< 1226879595 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's still something like a single paragraph.
< 1226879600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1226879616 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a decent amount of information about courses?
< 1226879623 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be awesome
< 1226879638 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, around here (HUT) there's a lot of material but it's all distributed quite randomly around the web pages of the departments; each of which is arranged differently.
< 1226879650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226879673 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although for next year there is an official ultimatum to move *all* course information into http://noppa.tkk.fi/ -- or at least be linked from there.
< 1226879681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once tried making a parser for the study guide in order to make a DAG of what courses need what as prerequisites
< 1226879709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, in the end i would basically have had to make the graph manually
< 1226879723 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think currently that Noppa tool has (for not-currently-active courses) just copies of the data from the study guide book.
< 1226879725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because every course says the prerequisites differentle.
< 1226879729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*differently
< 1226879753 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I've seen, the prerequisites have been more like recommendations.
< 1226879777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean, from what you've seen at the university, or from utu's study guide?
< 1226879779 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226879784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that was a stupid question.
< 1226879837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, that's my experience too
< 1226879837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to admit that at least the Noppa thing gives a reasonably browseable/searchable list of all our courses.
< 1226879861 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good for him/her, but that should really be the website's job.
< 1226879912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, seems to be a mix of English Finnish and Swedish!?
< 1226879952 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah, theoretically speaking the name of each course should be in Finnish, Swedish and English, but I don't think everyone has bothered to fill in all the fields.
< 1226879960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226879969 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, my goal is to get a degree in math after my cs degree, and that doesn't seem to be possible in utu, so i may have to come to helsinki :o
< 1226879979 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I think the system is designed so that the actual content of the pages can be provided with a single language only.
< 1226879980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I saw all three languages at https://noppa.tkk.fi/noppa/kurssit/il/t3050
< 1226879990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that happens, which would be cool, i can make a comparison
< 1226879994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, eh?
< 1226880041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see swedish past "datorn som verktyg"?
< 1226880044 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you select a single course, the contents (lecture schedules, news, assignments, things like that) will be only in the Official Language of the course.
< 1226880046 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1226880052 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "grunderna.." thing
< 1226880071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://noppa.tkk.fi/noppa/kurssi/t-106.1002/etusivu is in Finnish however
< 1226880100 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of things happen optionally in swedish, in finland.
< 1226880105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuition is one of those things
< 1226880152 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, those (T-106.1002, T-106.1207) are a bit of special case, since they have a distinct course code for the Swedish versions; probably because they are so common courses (several hundred students each year) and they want it to be easier to arrange things like exam papers in the right language.
< 1226880171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226880189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't Torvalds Swedish speaking?
< 1226880194 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T-106.1002 isn't active right now, so the contents come from the automagical dump of the study guide; I guess all those pages might well be in Finnish.
< 1226880197 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bilingual
< 1226880211 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish too, that is
< 1226880226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well iirc I remember hearing him speaking Swedish in some audioclip of how to pronounce linux
< 1226880232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably found on kernel.org iirc
< 1226880241 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got (according to wikipedia) 5.5 % officially Swedish-speaking people.
< 1226880261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Linux pronounciation audio clip I've heard was in English, though.
< 1226880283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/SillySounds/
< 1226880285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it is
< 1226880288 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My name is Linus Torvalds and I pronounce Linux as Linux."
< 1226880292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English and Swedish
< 1226880297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not Finnish
< 1226880298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226880315 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"His family belongs to the Swedish-speaking minority (5.5%) of Finland's population."
< 1226880329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1226880330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1226880332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1226880340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it matters to me
< 1226880346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all end up using English on irc
< 1226880363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is sad but I type faster in English than Swedish
< 1226880400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the Swedish qwerty keyboard variant is even more abysmally bad for the language than the English one
< 1226880416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should probably learn dvorak
< 1226880418 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish dvorak!
< 1226880425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, yes Svorak
< 1226880426 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He does speak Finnish too; I've heard some interview or something. Maybe he though that Finnish people won't need the pronounciation guide audio-clip.
< 1226880428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exists
< 1226880452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I didn't need it in Swedish
< 1226880531 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess someone Swedish could presumably do it with a long "i" in it. Like in the name "Linus". (I don't think it was with a long "i", though?)
< 1226880559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm?
< 1226880569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a short i
< 1226880571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Linus
< 1226880587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well to tell the truth it is hard to tell the difference for i
< 1226880596 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pronunciation given in Wikipedia is "[ˈliːnɵs ˈtuːrvalds]" which is a long one.
< 1226880601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some vowels it is much easier
< 1226880603 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't bother listening to the audio clip, though.
< 1226880621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, easy enough with a
< 1226880625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not with i really
< 1226880704 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear swedish vowels are actually distinct depending on whether they're long or short.
< 1226880704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/uemacs/ <-- heh
< 1226880715 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that doesn't sound plausible
< 1226880717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, usually ues
< 1226880718 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I personally say "Linus" and "Linux" with a different-length 'i'. (In any case, they say that Finnish-speaking people are good at differentiating vowel/stop lengths since we use those a lot for different meanings.)
< 1226880719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1226880721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226880738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Linus is between long and short I'd say
< 1226880741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not sil nor sill
< 1226880751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first one = sieve, the latter one a type of fish)
< 1226880760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knew that
< 1226880770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1226880779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linus is somewhere in between for me
< 1226880784 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi:siivilä and fi:silli here, I think.
< 1226880794 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's the same fish.
< 1226880806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop adding those double vowels all the time ;P
< 1226880823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what fish that is, but i'm pretty sure it's the same one.
< 1226880830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1226880834 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION refuses to learn animals
< 1226880839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got no clue what that fish is in English
< 1226880857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226880858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :herring?
< 1226880865 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :herrings are so silly
< 1226880866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1226880871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1226880877 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they are pretty silly
< 1226880878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, herring
< 1226880883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1226880902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not maybe, for sure
< 1226880931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps...
< 1226880938 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll check so we know for sure!
< 1226880943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks
< 1226880946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does an all-round swatting ----###
< 1226880961 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :herring, Atlantic herring
< 1226880969 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan and i guessed right it seems!
< 1226880981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guessed?
< 1226880981 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lottery time methinks!
< 1226880989 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "sild" in norwegian fwiw
< 1226881002 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how many exclamation marks must i use for you to see the sarcasm
< 1226881013 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: about 3684
< 1226881015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sieve daemon?
< 1226881028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sild would be sieve daemon obviously
< 1226881043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you count yourself and tell me when you see it?
< 1226881054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :</very bad pun>
< 1226881055 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1226881060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'll start putting them in random locations so you slowly get the sarcasm!)
< 1226881095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for anyone to get the joke
< 1226881096 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not maybe, for sure.
< 1226881107 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm assuming "d" is a common suffix for daemons
< 1226881110 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what YOU think
< 1226881113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes it is
< 1226881119 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what i think doesn't matter
< 1226881131 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making all your arguments void.
< 1226881132 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Satand is _so_ pissed that we keep misspelling his name
< 1226881149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: see, that's a good daemon pun :P
< 1226881158 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've got a lot to learn
< 1226881204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1226881211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhah
< 1226881235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is satand the .no name?
< 1226881239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1226881241 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1226881244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226881249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not fun then
< 1226881261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we type it as satan, whereas it's actually satand
< 1226881264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because satan is a demon
< 1226881269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1226881275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to sleep really
< 1226881289 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226881513 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While I was ready preparing for sleep, I thought of two word-pairs with only a i-length difference with hilariously different meanings.
< 1226881527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh?
< 1226881542 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's sima/siima (mead/fishing line) and sika/siika (pig/a type of fish).
< 1226881660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how positively side-splitting
< 1226881661 0 :biden!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :comex
< 1226881684 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also lika/liika (dirt in the "dirty" sense, filth, something like that/"too much" in suitable contexts).
< 1226881732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likalla lakilla liikaa likaa
< 1226881740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here good at git?
< 1226881748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I see where git pulls from?
< 1226881756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is being an unhelpful bastard as usual
< 1226881766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the svn like commands work
< 1226881769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor any other
< 1226881772 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well what do you expect with that name
< 1226881777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, true
< 1226881781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1226881795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow AnMaster got a pun
< 1226881806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ignored the pun
< 1226881885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said "o"
< 1226881939 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: when?
< 1226881946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not recently
< 1226881976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry, that was actually a short story of mine
< 1226881985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1226881986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strace
< 1226881994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ strace -v -s 100 -f git pull 2>&1 | grep write
< 1226882003 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it continues: "the man looked at me for an hour or so, then responded: 'o'"
< 1226882012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226882014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1226882017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it really, i forget the rest.
< 1226882022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[pid 24867] write(4, "0052git-upload-pack /pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/acme/pahole.git\0host=git.kernel.org\0"..., 82) = 82
< 1226882051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there is a simpler way
< 1226882056 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do you call this "The story of O"?
< 1226882062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the help of git is abysmal
< 1226882067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very hard to locate stuff in
< 1226882074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with svn, bzr and so on it is simple
< 1226882078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn info
< 1226882080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzr info
< 1226882102 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think it's "the story of two lonely o's"
< 1226882106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs show iirc
< 1226882134 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they would start out lonely yes
< 1226882150 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1226882155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o's are nice people.
< 1226882188 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, really; "git fetch -v" shows it.
< 1226882201 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "pull -v" or something.
< 1226882202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ok
< 1226882208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but it isn't easy to find
< 1226882222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, svn set a standard for a good user interface
< 1226882238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn one and you can find your way around them all
< 1226882240 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was pretty trivial to find; I didn't even have to check any man pages, I just did "well, -v is probably the verbosity flag for the pull command".
< 1226882254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I didn't want to do the pulll
< 1226882259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just show where it would have been
< 1226882275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which is pretty different
< 1226882310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, tell me how you would do it in  git
< 1226882317 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"git remote show origin".
< 1226882322 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which also wasn't difficult to find.
< 1226882335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the heck would I know it was git remote to begin with?
< 1226882339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at git help
< 1226882347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even list remote
< 1226882353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes it's help is abyssmal
< 1226882358 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the *remote repository* you're interested in; I would've thought it's quite easy to figure out.
< 1226882372 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's very commonly used command, though.
< 1226882374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how would I know there existed a command called remote
< 1226882386 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By saying "man git", maybe?
< 1226882386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ git help | grep remote
< 1226882386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   push       Update remote refs along with associated objects
< 1226882390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wich isn't relevant
< 1226882396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I expect help such as from svn
< 1226882399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :git help
< 1226882403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be like that
< 1226882425 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "commonly used commands" right there; it even has a -a flag for all commands, which you would've seen from "git help help".
< 1226882444 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1226882459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well it is counter intuitive(sp?)
< 1226882467 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not trying to say I love git's command-line interface, even when compared to svn, but I can't really agree it's especially *difficult*.
< 1226882473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I prefer not having it pop up in man
< 1226882483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since once I hit q it is all gone
< 1226882489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in konsole
< 1226882495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work that way in xterm
< 1226882499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does in konsole
< 1226882515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it seems to use a separate buffer for cursor addressing mode or something
< 1226882524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noted it with TERM fingerprint in cfunge too
< 1226882540 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably depends on whatever magic is in the terminfo strings.
< 1226882552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. both use xterm-color here
< 1226882555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1226882566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1226882569 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night.
< 1226882839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: AnMaster hates git
< 1226882845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that hate doesn't seem to be based on logic
< 1226884072 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226884376 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+"
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< 1226884744 0 :zoltran!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226886084 0 :CakeProphet!n=bread@h179.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226886196 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :redivider looks nifty
< 1226886223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226886247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi cakey long time no see
< 1226886293 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey... okie?
< 1226886299 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep popping in occasionally
< 1226886303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226886322 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really say I've been busy though, I've just been out of the loop
< 1226886336 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, me too. out of all loops really
< 1226886592 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only real ideas I've gotten lately that I haven't really seen much of deals with event-based programming
< 1226886617 0 :PovAddict!n=nicolas@201-213-146-51.net.prima.net.ar JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226886658 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when <condition>: <action>
< 1226886677 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a come from that's useful
< 1226886690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i have a few of that kinda langs
< 1226886700 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're a bit rare, and they're pretty nice
< 1226886747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a nice declarative paradigm if condition is simply a boolean expression
< 1226886757 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main question is in what order execution should take place... and where the control flow should go afterwards.
< 1226886768 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'd go for nondeterminism
< 1226886796 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no control flow except the comefroms is pretty natural.
< 1226886809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you had some kinda imperative core, that might be pretty tasty
< 1226886833 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically run some kinda statements one by one, and have comefroms with triggers
< 1226886852 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imperitive seems the most natural
< 1226886873 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really esoteric... but deliciously cause-effect anyways.
< 1226886889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds pretty delicious yes
< 1226886917 0 :PovAddict!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone here used Whirl?
< 1226886927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keymaker made a quine in it recently
< 1226886932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i've heard about the lang
< 1226886944 0 :PovAddict!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that enormous quine :P
< 1226886957 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. no i don't think it was that enormous
< 1226886973 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to that one other quine of his
< 1226886978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember the language
< 1226886983 0 :PovAddict!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only tried it in the Flash VM and it ran for quite long without outputting anything, so I closed it
< 1226886984 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more I look at io's specs the more I like it
< 1226886986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was like dozens of pages
< 1226886989 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to download it and play with it some
< 1226886998 0 :PovAddict!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should try with a proper interpreter later
< 1226887072 0 :PovAddict!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've yet to see a Whirl program using PAdd (program jump)
< 1226887140 0 :PovAddict!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this quine uses it... I don't see too many other ways to make a Whirl program whose output isn't much smaller than the code itself
< 1226887150 0 :PovAddict!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in this case, equal)
< 1226887190 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm addicted to having a point of view too.
< 1226887193 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't padd the only way to do control flow?
< 1226887213 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-downloads io-
< 1226887229 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko
< 1226887686 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone ever used Q?
< 1226889228 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation is impossible to follow, all four of you are the same color
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< 1226892019 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1226931220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ais523 isn't marked away
< 1226931232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess you are there ais523?
< 1226931357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like the answer is no
< 1226931797 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1226932209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1226932224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder how hard it is to compile bf with unbounded cells to bf with bounded cells
< 1226932729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you mean bignum to unsigned byte?
< 1226932872 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile bf with unbounded nonnegative cells to bf with bounded unsigned cells
< 1226932886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226932906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I would first compile it to C with bounded integers, then use gcc-bf
< 1226932914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :highly suboptimal
< 1226932949 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh.
< 1226933002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one issue is that if a cells grows you may need to move all other cells upwards
< 1226933009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can easily do something like store numbers in base 255, storing numbers 0-254 as numbers 1-255, and use a zero byte as a marker between numbers.
< 1226933024 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and move the whole tape contents to the right when a carry happens over the number boundary
< 1226933037 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably faster than whatever gcc-bf would do.
< 1226933041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1226933070 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point was, is there some nice kinda interleaving of the bytes of the numbers
< 1226933070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, but if you suddenly run out of space for the lowest cell you need to move all above it upwards
< 1226933083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without the need to bookkeeping that requires unbounded cells
< 1226933087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for
< 1226933105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, that's why that's a bad idea.
< 1226933107 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After moving the tape, you also need to find your way back where you were, which might involve some other marker value.
< 1226933131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1226933152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why gcc-bf would be easier, though even less efficient
< 1226933158 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a fixed-size (N) tape of unbounded numbers, and you have an infinite tape of bounded numbers, you can of course store the bytes of the k'th number at k, k+N, k+2*N, ...
< 1226933319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interleaving data like that is really confusinf
< 1226933321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusing*
< 1226933376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably better to use two bytes to represent a number boundary, one for marking current cell, one for storing a static zero.
< 1226933397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one doesn't work, at least easily, because you need bookkeeping when doing the bookkeeping required for it, i think.
< 1226933404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite hard to do.
< 1226933438 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah that works
< 1226933438 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1226933459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point was, can you easily do that without needing unbounded cells for the bookkeeping when locating the bytes
< 1226933469 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the indices get pretty big.
< 1226933518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy, store the length of the length
< 1226933520 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you just need one number for that, so guess you could use a simpler interleaving for it, like have every other byte zero and use that for the index
< 1226933522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then for that length:
< 1226933534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :store the length as a number of zero bytes
< 1226933551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the length of the length is the same length as the count of those zero bytes
< 1226933553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1226933568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of ways, i don't see a use for something more complicated than storing it as BBBBBB0
< 1226933582 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you need the cell indices for?
< 1226933608 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: say i add 1 to byte 2 of a number, i need to locate byte 1 if there's a carry
< 1226933613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what if there is a 0 in the BBBBB series?
< 1226933620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do that without actually calculating the index of byte 1?
< 1226933623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 0xff0055
< 1226933625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that number
< 1226933639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 0-254 stored as 1-255 as i said
< 1226933650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let's not bikeshed
< 1226933652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226933658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a trivial problem.
< 1226933670 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, finding a way to store *one* number.
< 1226933703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could ask the user to write it down
< 1226933710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then do various operations on it
< 1226933718 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write what down
< 1226933722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number
< 1226933723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1226933724 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not good at brainfuck, but you do have the pointer pointing there, and two completely different operations; <> for "move to prev/next cell" and "<<<[N of 'em]<<<"-style for "move to prev/next byte".
< 1226933760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that works in a static context, yes.
< 1226933770 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i need to have the same code for adding two adjacent integers, naturally
< 1226933779 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that code changes depending on the cell location
< 1226933823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226933835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and n <'s won't even work within one number
< 1226933839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1226933844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah okay it would for byte 2
< 1226933857 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? You can just swabble around between the same byte in the two adjacent integers, add it, then continue to the next byte if there's carry, or something.
< 1226933862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but *obviously* the code for doing carries for *one* number needs to work for any number length
< 1226933873 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226933877 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but how do i go to the next byte?
< 1226933879 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the issue
< 1226933896 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code needs to be the same no matter which byte of the number i'm in
< 1226933896 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With N >s? That moves always from byte k of cell l to byte k+1 of cell l.
< 1226933903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err.
< 1226933917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If you want a fixed-size (N) tape of unbounded numbers, and you have an infinite tape of bounded numbers, you can of course store the bytes of the k'th number at k, k+N, k+2*N, ...
< 1226933918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1226933919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1226933922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that as 2^N
< 1226933934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assumed you were solving the problem i asked a solution for
< 1226933951 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a solution to a trivial problem :P
< 1226933970 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you just said "bf with unbounded cells to bf with bounded cells" without mentioning the length of the tape.
< 1226933996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, it was implicit i want my bf to have an infinite tape.
< 1226934011 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you would.
< 1226934019 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err i would?
< 1226934027 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with your scheme
< 1226934028 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're the kind of guy who likes infinite things.
< 1226934032 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226934034 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you would want it.
< 1226934035 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you meant it like that
< 1226934037 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226934039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i definitely would
< 1226934043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so bad
< 1226934076 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1226934077 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still
< 1226934084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're assuming bf doesn't have an infinite tape
< 1226934094 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you need to assume that for both bf's i was talking about.
< 1226934101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case your scheme doesn't have bignums.
< 1226934107 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't have them on a finite tape
< 1226934123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm pretty sure you should've known i meant an infinite amount of bignums.
< 1226934159 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just a random comment that you can trade infinite storage of one kind (finite amount of bignums) into an infinite storage of another kind (infinite amount of bounded integers) reasonably easily.
< 1226934174 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that is true.
< 1226934227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i misread it, and got pissed at myself.
< 1226934232 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't want to be the one who has to write the arithmetics for a system where you have an infinite amount of infinite sequences interleaved on a tape.
< 1226934252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't?
< 1226934258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's just silly :P
< 1226934330 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't sound simple. Of course you can interleave them "diagonally" like A1, A2, B1, A3, B2, C1, A4, B3, C2, D1, but moving around there without single-cell bignums doesn't sound very much fun.
< 1226934364 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i would like to point out that incrementing a number and propagating a carry _are_ the same operation, and independent of position
< 1226934377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly for decrement and borrowing
< 1226934384 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1226934388 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you mean?
< 1226934394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226934399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah true, sure
< 1226934415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should not be a problem with the BBBB0 style
< 1226934433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not, it's just that you need to move the whole tape around.
< 1226934491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess you could simulate boolfuck on it, use the bytes for just booleans, would make the moving part faster
< 1226934492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on the other hand any other solution seems to me to require indices to find out how far you need to go
< 1226934506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but you could use BBB0 for the indices
< 1226934511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you only need a few of them
< 1226934522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not really a problem.
< 1226934532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i'm not sure that actually make things that much faster
< 1226934550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're moving around a tape, you need to be movign the indices around anyway
< 1226934559 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could just as well be moving the tape contents too.
< 1226934588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't my uni give out any esolang courses :<
< 1226934604 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: too few mad professors
< 1226934631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oklopol
< 1226934635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could establish an irc universe.
< 1226934640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with esolang courses.
< 1226934641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226934645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/universe/university/
< 1226934648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although universe sounds better.
< 1226934661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually something vjn has been contemplating for a long time
< 1226934673 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sufficiently mad university is indistinguishable from a universe
< 1226934694 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes to be a mad professor one day
< 1226934702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you need to get gray hair
< 1226934703 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all the crazy spacetime experiments going on
< 1226934710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also stop being cool
< 1226934712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun
< 1226934740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the basics of esoteric programming", "brainfuck algorithms"...
< 1226934747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines a mad scientist getting ostracized by his colleagues when they discover he is coloring his hair
< 1226934755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226934847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, evil mad scientists can be bald too, i think
< 1226934885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226934899 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the good ones need to have grey hair, and/or be little kids
< 1226934916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any language that is easily provable to be tc but is exceedingly hard to prove bf-complete? That is the same IO capabilities as bf
< 1226934919 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you my data is a bit sketchy
< 1226934934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it be possible to construct such a language?
< 1226934937 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Underload, duh
< 1226934957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you can prove it to not have the same output capability
< 1226934968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't output non-matched ()
< 1226934980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant one that is hard to find out if it is bf complete
< 1226934989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with underload that is trivial
< 1226934993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a little kid
< 1226934994 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well why didn't you say so :D
< 1226934994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i count
< 1226935013 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: maybe, can you test your death ray somewhere spectacular?
< 1226935014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I thought I said so, but maybe I didn't
< 1226935024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i said _good_ mad scientists
< 1226935028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you like jupiter?
< 1226935035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't, either
< 1226935037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i get rid of it?
< 1226935045 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: maybe something that would create less debris
< 1226935060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i can zap the debris too.
< 1226935062 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless your death ray takes care of that
< 1226935064 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then
< 1226935072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1226935081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would such a language as I mentioned be possible?
< 1226935081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a gravitational antiforce blackhole/wormhole-directed-at-itself hybrid
< 1226935088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, jupiter going in 3...2..1..
< 1226935090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZAPPPPPPP
< 1226935093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, jupiter's gone
< 1226935100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks like it's still there
< 1226935106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's so big that the image will take a few years to fade
< 1226935109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even decades.
< 1226935112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :centuries!
< 1226935113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well it's just a matter of making binary I/O sufficiently awkward isn't it
< 1226935122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like INTERCAL but worse
< 1226935128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm I guess so
< 1226935183 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: interesting effect given that Jupiter is only a few light hours away
< 1226935205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey, this is what happens when you mess with jupiter.
< 1226935209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty crazy thang
< 1226935209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226935222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is not actually composed of gas, but gravity.
< 1226935225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure gravity.
< 1226935228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: oh wait, i wasn't thinking.  will this mess up my horoscope much?
< 1226935240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just ignore all the bad bits
< 1226935243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jupiter is responsible for them.
< 1226935247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226935252 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exc-ell-ent
< 1226935263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[although i can't recall any horoscope ever saying anything non-vaguely bad]]
< 1226935278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"YOU WILL DIE TOMORROW"
< 1226935284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ fucking jupiter
< 1226935293 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat"
< 1226935306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "at 15:23 you will break a leg"
< 1226935316 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226935342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be cool if there was a horoscope that told exactly what'll happen
< 1226935346 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and it'd really happen
< 1226935350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226935363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but only if you *believe* it
< 1226935367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"beware of siamese twins today"
< 1226935378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226935426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"win the lottery today, it'll bring you luck"
< 1226935430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the technical problem is that newspaper horoscopes only have 12 options for all readers to share
< 1226935432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1226935437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just change time
< 1226935445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that everyone in the same sign has exactly the same day.
< 1226935458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's a bit stupid about hs
< 1226935464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit problematic if you make them die ofc
< 1226935468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less profit
< 1226935468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1226935480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226935492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could special case it
< 1226935507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if your name begins with S beware of falling rocks"
< 1226935561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doo da bop
< 1226935582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/17/the-bacon-iphone-sleeve-for-discerning-eyes-only/
< 1226935595 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, bacon
< 1226935639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226935643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought:
< 1226935645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get bacon to write horoscopes
< 1226935647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can do no wrong
< 1226935648 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bacon is a fun food.
< 1226935669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it real bacon?
< 1226935671 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ling" is thai, it means "ape"
< 1226935673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just looks like it?
< 1226935684 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's real bacon alright
< 1226935688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be coloured wool on that pic
< 1226935698 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you see the fat dripping of it
< 1226935704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop
< 1226935704 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes, NOW
< 1226935705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1226935902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw
< 1226935909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna go to jupiter sometime
< 1226935911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i zapped it
< 1226935913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck :D
< 1226935978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it isn't zapped yet, due to speed of light it will be a few hours before it reach Jupiter, so just invent faster than light travel, go there and visit, and leave before it gets zapped
< 1226936441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1226936449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ais523
< 1226936465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1226936887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you had forgot to use /away last time it seems
< 1226937443 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I had assumed the bouncer did that automatically.  Perhaps he wasn't properly disconnected.
< 1226937627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1226937693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-psyBNC: Mon Nov 17 15:40:36 :connect from sm01-fap05.bham.ac.uk
< 1226937693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[15:40] -psyBNC: Mon Nov 17 15:40:39 :User ais523 logged in.
< 1226937693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[15:52] -psyBNC: Mon Nov 17 15:52:38 :User ais523 disconnected (from 147.188.254.112)
< 1226938364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers gobolinux+etoile
< 1226938806 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1226939177 0 :d4064684!n=chatzill@152.105.21.161 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226939185 0 :d4064684!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal
< 1226939808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh fun: http://www.suckless.org/programs/ii.html
< 1226940046 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1226940444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is the link for gcc-bf now again?
< 1226940466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there's an out of date version online, let me post the most recent version, then I'll tell you the URL
< 1226940491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... it's a bit hard to separate the bits that are mine from the bits that aren't atm
< 1226940494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't have a build system
< 1226940495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226940503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not entirely sure what I should paste, exactly
< 1226940545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226940553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you have a darcs repo?
< 1226940572 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1226940574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not for the whole thing
< 1226940579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for the gcc backend thing
< 1226940584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not using it as proper version control
< 1226940593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as a place to store deleted code, rather than commenting it out
< 1226940601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc-bf's a mess from the project management point of view
< 1226940874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226940879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how complete is it
< 1226940889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what would the steps be to try it out
< 1226940896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: almost, just need a sane build system and the bit that actually produces the BF itself
< 1226940906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also aren't you using the gcc build system for the gcc backend?
< 1226940910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I am
< 1226940914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that I have to wrap it
< 1226940918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226940919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of confusing
< 1226940924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bits of the Makefile run three times
< 1226940924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you don't produce any bf?
< 1226940928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you said you did
< 1226940932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets as far as ABI
< 1226940939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then produces the BF for the constants at the start
< 1226940947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's just +++++>>>>>>+++>>>>>+++++>>>>>> stuff
< 1226940949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb phone
< 1226940970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1226941447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1226941454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm ok
< 1226941463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so how would I go about building this?
< 1226941467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what gcc version and so on
< 1226941473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current build system is full of hardcoded paths
< 1226941478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically, it works like this:
< 1226941478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226941481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, you patch gcc
< 1226941483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got gcc 4.3.2 here
< 1226941488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a particular version the patches are against, let me check
< 1226941489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the system gcc
< 1226941497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.2.3
< 1226941501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 4.1.2 on my amd64
< 1226941505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ofc they might work against other versions too
< 1226941511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just I haven't tried
< 1226941515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my system gcc are those two
< 1226941518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's a patch for the makefile too
< 1226941549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is this gcc a vanilla gcc or a distro gcc?
< 1226941559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean is it already patched
< 1226941571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean,*
< 1226941620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, =
< 1226941621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226941657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, sorry
< 1226941659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connection...
< 1226941661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226941670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> then there's a patch for the makefile too
< 1226941670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> ais523, is this gcc a vanilla gcc or a distro gcc?
< 1226941670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> I mean, is it already patched
< 1226941680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the Debian sources
< 1226941682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for gcc
< 1226941690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's ready-patched
< 1226941692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well is it patched or an upstream one
< 1226941695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226941704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do I need the debian one then?
< 1226941709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how on earth do I get hold of it
< 1226941711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... the simplest solution is almost certainly just to redistribute the whole tarball
< 1226941714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my code and other people's
< 1226941717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering I'm no debian user
< 1226941749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, would be better if it also was possible to get the specific parts
< 1226941758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to upgrade to a new gcc
< 1226941760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226941769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although gcc changes the internal interfaces around quite a lot, it seems
< 1226941776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1226941795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well main issue here I see is that I can't easily find a debian gcc afaik
< 1226941817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just send you my gcc tarball
< 1226941826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least I would if I could figure out how it interacts with the build system
< 1226941827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by mail
< 1226941829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's in more than one directory
< 1226941839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... probably best is if you wait until my Christmas holidays
< 1226941845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my isp limits it to 10 mb
< 1226941847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I can attempt to figure out wtf is going on
< 1226941850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mail account
< 1226941853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, probably by http
< 1226942155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this is a nice irc client: http://www.suckless.org/programs/ii.html
< 1226942195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and meanwhile I have extended the ideas for my potential esolang FS a bit
< 1226942203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i request that everyone stop talking to AnMaster so i don't have to read monologues
< 1226942205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually forget tha
< 1226942206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1226942207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're funny
< 1226942208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226942251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the big brother of sic"
< 1226942256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha!
< 1226942320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what are the different subdirs at http://code.eso-std.org/gcc-bf/ ?
< 1226942378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf-ld is the stuff that runs after gcc (the implementation of as and ld, mostly); config-bf is the bit that goes inside gcc, libbf is C code for the standard library, and bitemplate is an attempt at figuring out the build system
< 1226942390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226942429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loloop <-- laughing out loud object oriented programming?
< 1226942434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.eso-std.org/gcc-bf/libbf/longjmp.S
< 1226942448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's the low-overhead loop command
< 1226942455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately gcc's optimiser doesn't seem to generate them
< 1226942464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how do you mean low overhead?
< 1226942465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but vaguely speaking, a typical loop is implemented in terms of computed gotos
< 1226942469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas a loloop is just []
< 1226942483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well does many machines have something like a loloop?
< 1226942484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"low overhead loop" is a technical term in the gcc docs
< 1226942488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: quite a few do
< 1226942492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1226942499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even x86 has the rep instruction
< 1226942503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that only does one command
< 1226942507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226942511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the loloop-wielding machines I see have registers
< 1226942517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically put a goto into the code at runtime
< 1226942523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and decrement stuff at the same time
< 1226942568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how would I download this and set it up?
< 1226942573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget -r?
< 1226942575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for download?
< 1226942583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, wget -r for download
< 1226942589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with great difficulty in terms of setting it up
< 1226942591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well wget -m -np I guess
< 1226942594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the files you need aren't even there
< 1226942604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok, care to upload the files at least
< 1226942608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some vague hints
< 1226942617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can figure out how to fix build failures usually
< 1226942622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here I got no idea where to start
< 1226942650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out where to start atm
< 1226942653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1226942654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything depends on everything else...
< 1226942670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so you can't begin with compiling gcc-bf?
< 1226942674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then do the linker and so on
< 1226942694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait the linker is just perl
< 1226942696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... you do linker first
< 1226942701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't need compiling as it's Perl
< 1226942708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you just put it in path or?
< 1226942748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, unfortunately not
< 1226942755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1226942757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had enough pain trying to get gcc to look in the right directory to start with
< 1226942776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try to find my config.status, then at least I'll know what the configure command line is
< 1226942785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226942990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm?
< 1226943015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, lets say I got the whole /home/gcc-bf for doing this
< 1226943021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# This directory was configured as follows,
< 1226943022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# on host dell:
< 1226943023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#
< 1226943025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# /home/ais523/esoteric/brainfuck/gccbf/gcc-4.2-4.2.3/gcc-20080201/configure   --target=bf --prefix=/home/ais523/esoteric/brainfuck/gccbf/gcc-4.2-4.2.3/build2/buildinto --with-sysroot=/home/ais523/esoteric/brainfuck/gccbf/gcc-4.2-4.2.3/build2/buildinto --with-build-time-tools=/home/ais523/esoteric/brainfuck/gccbf/gcc-4.2-4.2.3/build2/buildinto/bin --disable-libssp --enable-languages=c
< 1226943027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1226943029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226943044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it was with a patched Makefile
< 1226943045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where would the linker be?
< 1226943051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in /bin
< 1226943052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of buildinto
< 1226943053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which isn't uploaded?
< 1226943065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, but in a different directory
< 1226943073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um ok
< 1226943081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, this thing is an utter mess
< 1226943095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'll guess I'll skip it for now
< 1226943100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why build2 btw?
< 1226943115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I got confused trying to figure out what had happened to the original build directory
< 1226943121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably have to make build3 sometime soon...
< 1226943126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226943136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you mean build system got borked
< 1226943139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226943141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it was working fine
< 1226943146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just couldn't figure out how
< 1226943151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1226943167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the whole thing is a mess of twisty little shell scripts, all alike
< 1226943176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which all reference hardcoded paths in other directories
< 1226943194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm quite good at shell scripts, so I guess I could help clean it up
< 1226943201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scripts are fine
< 1226943203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of doing that for iffi build script
< 1226943212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just... tracing what happens when is hard enough
< 1226943218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard coded paths aren't fine
< 1226943219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure I know which one you're meant to run first
< 1226943223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1226943228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're hard-coded relative paths
< 1226943236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, they're to things which should be elsewhere
< 1226943245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly it's that the directory structure they're in is confused
< 1226943246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh?
< 1226943273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's one of them, as an example:
< 1226943276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -f gcc/libgcc.a
< 1226943278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -f gcc/libgcc/*
< 1226943279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make && make install && (cd ../buildinto/libexec/gcc/bf/4.2.3/install-tools/ ; ./mkheaders)
< 1226943283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw did I tell you that cfunge builds under Open64 too?
< 1226943289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you didn't
< 1226943296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it does.
< 1226943310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc, icc, open64
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< 1226943359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no longer clang, since it seems clang silently miscompiled a feature used in cfunge, which however didn't affect cfunge (heh), but now it aborts on it instead
< 1226943371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but considering that clang is pre 0.0.1 still
< 1226943372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what feature is that?
< 1226943391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, struct mystruct variable = { .fieldname = foo }
< 1226943396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99 thing
< 1226943399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes
< 1226943417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something I use in many cases, often for clarity
< 1226943427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is so much easier to see what is going on using it
< 1226943477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw Open64 pretends to be GCC, even cmake gets confused by it (it manages to understand that icc isn't gcc, even though icc pretends to be)
< 1226943494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it also accepts gcc flags
< 1226943494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does autoconf get confused by it?
< 1226943500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but:
< 1226943502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opencc WARNING: -Wdisabled-optimization is ignored
< 1226943515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, haven't tried
< 1226943515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks for what the compiler does, not what it is
< 1226943519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all define __GNUC__
< 1226943536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well so do I most of the time
< 1226943550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I check that the warning flags actually work
< 1226943576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the irritating bit here is that open64 claims it works then outputs a warning it is ignored
< 1226943627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang says this btw:
< 1226943628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: check on code that shouldn't produce the warning too
< 1226943632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/anmaster/cfunge/trunk/src/interpreter.c:78:3: error: cannot codegen this initializer list with designators yet
< 1226943652 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-4-45.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226943660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I do check that it compiles, checking compiler output would be more complex
< 1226943671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean stderr output
< 1226943694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering some compilers, like icc, tends to output even when everything is ok
< 1226943703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's default verbosity level is rather high
< 1226943724 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1226943732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you use -Werror and check the exit code?
< 1226943751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm.
< 1226943758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all compilers support it
< 1226943762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsure about open64
< 1226943767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it seems to lack all form of man pages
< 1226943774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can deduce whether it supports it or not
< 1226943784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only need three tests
< 1226943798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warningy program without -Werror, non-warningy program with -Werror, warningy program with -Werror
< 1226943804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I actually do a check for the compiler type before testing all the warning flags
< 1226943819 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226943826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the third one is the only one with nonzero exit status, -Werror probably does what you want
< 1226943844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seems it seems to be some "look like gcc" tournament it rather messes up the the check
< 1226943851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since*
< 1226943875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even clang defines __GNUC__
< 1226943944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for header files
< 1226943956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like everything defines STDC, even things that don't conform to the C standard
< 1226943988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one that doesn't define __GNUC__ so far is tcc, which a) doesn't optimise except turning very basic constant arithmetic expressions into one value, such as 2*2 into 4. b) has too incomplete C99 support to get anywhere with cfunge.
< 1226943999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcc compiles c-intercal though
< 1226944013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL should in theory compile on everything which supports prototypes
< 1226944017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well IMO the defines should make sense
< 1226944021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to compile on compilers before that too, I think
< 1226944034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I want to check for a specific compiler I should be able to
< 1226944037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether it links is another matter, rather depends on what's in the standard library
< 1226944043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I want to optionally use a feature of it
< 1226944054 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226944059 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226944074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then if something defines that but it fails to understand that feature you have to realise how faulty the idea was in the first place
< 1226944074 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226944094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to pretend to do something you dont'
< 1226944097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't*
< 1226944107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: anyway, I'm working on gcc-bf build3 right now
< 1226944112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I figure out how it's done I'll tell you
< 1226944114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that other can use?
< 1226944118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226944119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this time I'll keep a record of everything that I do
< 1226944129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right. btw did I tell you about WLIW?
< 1226944149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you know about VLIW architectures
< 1226944151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you mentioned it but didn't say what it was
< 1226944154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about WLIW ones
< 1226944161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wood Log In Wall
< 1226944168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not computer architecture
< 1226944169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1226944185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very bad joke yes
< 1226944209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(VLIW being Very Long Instruction Word)
< 1226944223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ping?
< 1226944238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pong!
< 1226944259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why I didn't get any comment on the joke
< 1226944274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it isn't a very good one...
< 1226944331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1226944341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a "groan" would have been the correct response
< 1226944358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, groaning is done for jokes so bad you enjoy them
< 1226944361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas that one's just bland
< 1226944362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact since oerjan specialize in good puns
< 1226944371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will specialize in bad and bland ones
< 1226944396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a particle and an anti-particle
< 1226944403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the matching anti-joke
< 1226944706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster? a bland joke?
< 1226944708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking!
< 1226944736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes indeed that is what my goal is
< 1226945276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, coopt.sh in ick got a typo:
< 1226945281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#    This optimizer is only run on noninteractive code that takes no
< 1226945281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#    output.
< 1226945285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely that should be input?
< 1226945289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes
< 1226945292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have used XCHG on them
< 1226945294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in intercal
< 1226945300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait...
< 1226945306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, output is output in INTERCAL, but it's read
< 1226945309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and input is written
< 1226945494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err
< 1226945501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so is the wording correct?
< 1226945505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it isn't
< 1226945509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226945512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a comment bug, not as important as a code bug...
< 1226945525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also well yes from the user point of view the input is written and output read
< 1226945529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed
< 1226945765 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226945808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, i was thinking of fixing cftoec.sh to make it actually work
< 1226945822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, do it need to use this pre-posix shell syntax?
< 1226945832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a posix shell can handle [] at least iirc
< 1226945835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of test
< 1226945837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: as I've completely changed the build system around it there's no point
< 1226945850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, compared to the last pushed version or what?
< 1226945853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why can't I write out test? it's in POSIX too
< 1226945856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not compared to last pushed
< 1226945859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to last release
< 1226945860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1226945866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last pushed doesn't handle cfunge build at all
< 1226945873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of making it work for out of build tree
< 1226945883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of tree build*
< 1226945885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in build tree
< 1226945917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm unsure how to figure that out
< 1226945919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easiest would be:
< 1226945933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it should work for both out-of-tree and in-tree
< 1226945947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run in build dir, first argument is path to ick source, second path to cfunge source
< 1226945957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for in tree it would be . for the first
< 1226945982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there is no gpl header or otherwise a copyright header so I'm unable to edit it
< 1226945984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1226946000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226946004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's GPLv2+, I should put an explicit header there though
< 1226946021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe autoconf could be made to insert source and build paths in the script?
< 1226946078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it could
< 1226946091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would it work, a --with-cfunge=/home/AnMaster/cfunge?
< 1226946091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ../c-intercal/src/cooptsh.in
< 1226946104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm maybe that would work
< 1226946110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't like to mess with automess so...
< 1226946118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can make the script work somewhat
< 1226946448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, --std?
< 1226946452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik it is a single -
< 1226946464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1226946467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's either iIRC
< 1226946478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man page only lists single dash here
< 1226946501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use info, gcc's man pages are really incomplete
< 1226946529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :info pages are horribly hard to use
< 1226946790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find . -name '*.c' -printf "gcc $CFLAGS -c %p -o %f.o\n" | sh <-- huh?
< 1226946931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./src/fingerprints/IFFI/IFFI.c:55: varning: implicit deklaration av funktionen "FungeSpaceCreate"
< 1226946931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226946935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to update those
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< 1226947393 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are nicer info readers than the default one; I always use "pinfo gcc" when I want GCC flags.
< 1226947451 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although it makes me sad that I have to have "considered non-free by Debian" packages installed just to see GCC documentation.)
< 1226947462 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226947562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1226947567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinfo isn't free?
< 1226947576 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, pinfo is free, GCC's docs aren't.
< 1226947584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well fixing all the build errors, expect a patch later today
< 1226947593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
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< 1226947625 0 :pinkillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1226947652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1226947656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what brings you here?
< 1226947661 0 :pinkillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing
< 1226947720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226947733 0 :pinkillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does we speak here?
< 1226947743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a question:
< 1226947748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	unsigned char * restrict str = stack_pop_string(ip->stack);
< 1226947749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	ick_create(str, l);
< 1226947753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when do you free that string?
< 1226947756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinkillo: esoteric programming languages
< 1226947774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't, I think
< 1226947776 0 :pinkillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric programming language??
< 1226947780 0 :pinkillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean?
< 1226947781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as ick_create was designed to be passed pointers to string literals
< 1226947789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm
< 1226947796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinkillo: programming languages outside the mainstream
< 1226947797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226947800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :designed as jokes or for fun
< 1226947800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226947802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to try things out
< 1226947806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than for practical uese
< 1226947808 0 :pinkillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thk
< 1226947810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*practical use
< 1226947850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what does ick_create do?
< 1226947863 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... is http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language supposed to look a bit... strange, or is my browser just acting up?
< 1226947865 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: implements a create statement
< 1226947877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it just puts an entry into a hash table
< 1226947880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't a hash table really
< 1226947880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, worth noting is that the pointer that stack_pop_string() returns may pointer to a larger alloced area than the string
< 1226947883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it currently does
< 1226947887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a linear-search lookup table
< 1226947890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but may change without prior notice
< 1226947894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't matter how large the alloced area is
< 1226947899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226947910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as long as it doesn't mysteriously free behind my back
< 1226947977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't
< 1226947997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, however I expect a few things will be renamed soon
< 1226948003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I'll rename them right now
< 1226948016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw some typos of my identifiers when I was editing the IFFI fingerprints
< 1226948028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one that didn't get changed in name conversion
< 1226948072 0 :pinkillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the differences between variable and constant???
< 1226948097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1226948099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinkillo: generally speaking, variables can change values and constants can't
< 1226948108 0 :pinkillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thk
< 1226948111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not true for SSA though
< 1226948118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes
< 1226948135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and constants can change values in some langs, such as Forte, INTERCAL, and early versions of Fortran
< 1226948145 0 :pinkillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hash tables is taht a constant a varible a fonction an object???
< 1226948153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinkillo: it's a data type
< 1226948158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a sort of value
< 1226948159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, certain pascal and/or delphi version
< 1226948171 0 :pinkillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1226948181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :versions*
< 1226948186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allowed you to change constants
< 1226948236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL will block blatant assignments like DO #1 <- #2 unless you give it the -v switch
< 1226948245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are various more devious ways to assign to constants
< 1226948258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh?
< 1226948266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess you could in C using pointers
< 1226948274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it wouldn't actually work
< 1226948290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would get a segfault
< 1226948306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: actually, in some versions of C char* a="Hello, world!"'' *a='J'; works
< 1226948315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*AnMaster: actually, in some versions of C char* a="Hello, world!"; *a='J'; works
< 1226948316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not on modern platforms
< 1226948337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would work on older ones that lack memory protection I guess
< 1226948349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't set memory as read only
< 1226948378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however since I don't work with such environments it is not anything I have ever seen
< 1226948491 0 :pinkillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you put '*' front of char ??? it is the same statement as DIM in basic?
< 1226948504 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :***???
< 1226948513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a troll?
< 1226948521 0 :pinkillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm..
< 1226948523 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1226948532 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinkillo: habla usted C?
< 1226948546 0 :pinkillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats is c?
< 1226948597 0 :pinkillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226948598 0 :pinkillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya
< 1226948601 0 :pinkillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by
< 1226948602 0 :pinkillo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1226948608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my
< 1226948674 0 :AquaLoqua!n=anonym@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226948714 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modifying a string literal works on this Alpha/Tru64-V5.1B box, which isn't that non-modern; even the hardware is from this millennium.
< 1226948753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what compiler?
< 1226948760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me it segfaults
< 1226948778 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC 3.0; although the vendor's compiler does the same.
< 1226948792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, 3.0....
< 1226948792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gcc has a command-line option to not segfault when writing to a literal string
< 1226948795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is old old
< 1226948800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, had, iirc they removed it
< 1226948809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, some old programs need it to compile
< 1226948822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if you mean writable-strings it is removed
< 1226948849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1226948859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah hm wait
< 1226948861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fno-const-strings
< 1226948933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I can't find  it in GCC 4.3.2 man page
< 1226948935 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.0/changes.html does say: "GCC no longer accepts the -fwritable-strings  option. Use named character arrays when you need a writable string."
< 1226948940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1226948943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does exist in 4.1.2
< 1226948949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strings are writable in gcc-bf, btw
< 1226948954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as a side-effect of how I implement pointers
< 1226948971 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226948975 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, 3.0 isn't "old old", it's (again) this millennium.
< 1226949038 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's not old if it starts with a '2'."
< 1226949051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1226949055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 is old
< 1226949058 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Dana"
< 1226949060 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the year.
< 1226949068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226949088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I would be amazed if cfunge compiled on it
< 1226949097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge does compile with gcc 3.4.6 iir
< 1226949098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc*
< 1226949106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any older to test with
< 1226949150 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no cmake on that box; is there a way to work around that? Although I'm not sure I'll bother.
< 1226949154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you said ick_create() wants a string literal?
< 1226949160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why the heck do I get this for a const char*:
< 1226949164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./src/fingerprints/IFFI/IFFI.c:111: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘ick_create’ discards qualifiers from pointer target type
< 1226949172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to fix your prototype to say const char*
< 1226949175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes
< 1226949184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everywhere in the whole giant compiler
< 1226949191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL was invented before const was, I think
< 1226949193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may make patches :P
< 1226949194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least before it caught on
< 1226949208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge uses it correctly everywhere
< 1226949259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you have to get your head around just how old C-INTERCAL is, it used to not use header files but instead declare library functions inside functions
< 1226949281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in main()int argc, char** argv{extern char* sprintf(); /*... */
< 1226949290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226949291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1226949297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that still works I think, but I don't know anyone who's written it deliberately in decades
< 1226949301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and IFFI lacked a header file
< 1226949306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1226949308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gettimeofday() is in sys/time.h
< 1226949311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had forgot that
< 1226949331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I replaced it with the logic for looking for clock_gettime() that i use in cfunge now
< 1226949349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef HAVE_clock_gettime
< 1226949349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#  include <time.h>
< 1226949349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#else
< 1226949349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#  include <sys/time.h>
< 1226949349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif
< 1226949349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include <assert.h>
< 1226949357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err the last one wasn't related
< 1226949360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAVE_clock_gettime's in my config.h
< 1226949381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, defined to 0 or undefined when off?
< 1226949392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's undef against defined to 1, IIRC
< 1226949394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge expects #define/#undef
< 1226949401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of 1/0
< 1226949402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226949404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should work then
< 1226949416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, remember what I said about no librt on freebsd
< 1226949453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I do but I haven't worked out a fix for it yet
< 1226949463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a sane one would do
< 1226949469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CFUNGE_CHECK_FUNC(clock_gettime)
< 1226949469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (NOT CFUNGE_HAVE_clock_gettime)
< 1226949469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	find_library(LIBRT_LOCATION
< 1226949469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	             NAMES rt)
< 1226949469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endif (NOT CFUNGE_HAVE_clock_gettime)
< 1226949478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (NOT ${LIBRT_LOCATION} STREQUAL "LIBRT_LOCATION-NOTFOUND")
< 1226949478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	get_filename_component(LIBRT_PATH ${LIBRT_LOCATION} PATH)
< 1226949478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	CFUNGE_CHECK_LIBRARY_FUNC(cfunge rt clock_gettime ${LIBRT_PATH})
< 1226949478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endif (NOT ${LIBRT_LOCATION} STREQUAL "LIBRT_LOCATION-NOTFOUND")
< 1226949489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is how I do it
< 1226949491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:
< 1226949496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, rather cmake specific
< 1226949505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does fungot prefer more common follow-ons in its babble
< 1226949506 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: " 195? 2. darwin thoroughly appreciated/ good work put into/ stocks, and snapdragons. -in fnord millefolium. -effect :) climate :) an opposite state, to/ height :) many hundred feet.
< 1226949512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but iirc autoconf got a "search in libraries, pick the first matching one" function, right?
< 1226949519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ideally it would do something silly like chroot to a copy of the filesystem with a symlink in there, or use some sort of ldd hack to replace fopen librt to fopen libc
< 1226949535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh what?
< 1226949563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I was trying to think up a really silly way around the problem
< 1226949572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never build as root
< 1226949572 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Hmm? Yes, the "next word" probabilities come directly from the n-gram frequencies; so if it has "foo bar" as context, and the data contains "foo bar baz" thrice and "foo bar quux" once, it selects baz with a 75 % probability and quux with 25 %.
< 1226949575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so chroot would fail
< 1226949581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1226949584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... use fakeroot then I suppose
< 1226949589 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1226949589 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin* discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc lovecraft pa speeches ss wp
< 1226949595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think how to make a markov bot that is gud at the punctuatinz
< 1226949596 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc
< 1226949597 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
< 1226949599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it can simulate chroots, not sure though
< 1226949610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. has nested stuff, i guess, so parens[a b c] -> (a b c)
< 1226949621 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot would be reasonably good with punctuation if I just implemented what I did in the C++ code.
< 1226949621 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: perhaps, if it were b, they'd already have stuck him full of probes and returned home, and realised i forgot to tell you
< 1226949637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— Macro: AC_SEARCH_LIBS (function, search-libs, [action-if-found], [action-if-not-found], [other-libraries])
< 1226949637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Search for a library defining function if it's not already available. This equates to calling `AC_LINK_IFELSE([AC_LANG_CALL([], [function])])' first with no libraries, then for each library listed in search-libs.
< 1226949638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226949641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect:
< 1226949670 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which was a stack of current "open paren/quote/etc" so that it could discard spurious ")"-like things, and finally stick all the necessary closing parts at the end of the output.)
< 1226949672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AC_SEARCH_LIBS(clock_gettime, rt)
< 1226949673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such
< 1226949677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure of exact syntax
< 1226949683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably need a few []
< 1226949706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/html_node/Libraries.html#Libraries
< 1226949710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to solve the issue
< 1226949714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a neat and sane way
< 1226949725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, pity, but I'll probably use it anyway
< 1226949726 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]"
< 1226949735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would work with 0, 1 or 2 []s around each arg
< 1226949759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not sure
< 1226949765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you need one around each
< 1226949776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and I don't know if it should be librt or just rt
< 1226949781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 or 2 would be the correct official amount
< 1226949783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for cmake you normally skip the "lib" part
< 1226949794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 as it's string literals, 1 as it's args, it doesn't matter because it comes to the same thing either way
< 1226949808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah 0 probably works...
< 1226949816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1226949821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it 1 for rt at least
< 1226949852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case it's defined to something?
< 1226949857 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need 2 to protect against taht
< 1226949859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that
< 1226949868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm about config.h
< 1226949873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge expects it on command line
< 1226949878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would need some changes in some way
< 1226949880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsure how
< 1226949884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easy enough to fix
< 1226949889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can choose where the substitutions go
< 1226949898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just substitute into the makefile instead
< 1226949901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-DHAVE_acosl -DHAVE_asinl -DHAVE_atanl -DHAVE_cosl -DHAVE_powl -DHAVE_roundl -DHAVE_sinl -DHAVE_sqrtl -DHAVE_tanl -DHAVE_clock_gettime
< 1226949908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are all the HAVE that I use
< 1226949927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use quite a bit more than that IIRC
< 1226949928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the math ones I fall back on the classical double versions
< 1226949943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well that is because I have a different "base line" that I support
< 1226949978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is FreeBSD 6.3 or POSIX.1-2001, whichever is the lowest
< 1226950105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, now I get this:
< 1226950110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./src/fingerprints/IFFI/IFFI.c:43: warning: no previous prototype for ‘ick_SaveIPPosDelta’
< 1226950110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./src/fingerprints/IFFI/IFFI.c:51: warning: no previous prototype for ‘ick_RestoreIPPosDelta’
< 1226950110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./src/fingerprints/IFFI/IFFI.c:59: warning: no previous prototype for ‘ick_InterpreterRun’
< 1226950110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./src/fingerprints/IFFI/IFFI.c:94: warning: no previous prototype for ‘ick_iffi_InterpreterOneIteration’
< 1226950138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's because it's trying to link against code in C-INTERCAL itself
< 1226950143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it would want me to put that in a shared header file
< 1226950180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you use CamelCase? Since cfunge use _ instead of CamelCase since some time
< 1226950188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the bulk of the changes I had to make
< 1226950192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't really had a chance to update it
< 1226950203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL itself mostly uses lowercaseruntogethercase
< 1226950206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1226950213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :‘ick_InterpreterRun’ isn't in ick itself
< 1226950221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just that it is missing from IFFI.h
< 1226950241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc complains because you didn't make it static, nor put it in a header
< 1226950242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226950300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1226950336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I used the same warning flags I used for cfunge normally to check the code, I found a bug with one of the functions I only have there for your sake thanks to that
< 1226950346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a missing cast in fungespace_load_string()
< 1226950414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, where are they called from?
< 1226950426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they aren't listed in "// Externally-visible functions from IFFI.c"
< 1226950429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the header for it
< 1226950445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try to remember
< 1226950461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick_InterpreterRun is called from cfunge itself
< 1226950465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there is a call to ick_InterpreterMainLoop() and that I got no clue where it is
< 1226950469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*C-INTERCAL
< 1226950485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: are you looking in the INTERCAL half of the IFFI stuff?
< 1226950490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iffi stuff
< 1226950496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should explain where most of the missing references are
< 1226950497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in IFFI.c
< 1226950513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, where is the other half then?
< 1226950534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've forgotten, let me try to find it
< 1226950597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pit/explib/ecto_b98.c:
< 1226950602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, without the colon
< 1226950617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what's calling the functions
< 1226950656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226950738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh you mix forward declarations with external ones
< 1226950803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, are you aware of that you are using mixed spaces and tabs for indention?
< 1226950811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226950825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's correct, it saves on file size when transmitting over Usenet
< 1226950832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1226950835 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as tabs are set to 8 spaces, which is industry standard
< 1226950853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, maybe it was, but no sane modern user or editor use that any more
< 1226950876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct ick_ipposdeltatype {
< 1226950876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	long long ix, iy, dx, dy;
< 1226950876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :};
< 1226950877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um?
< 1226950881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why long long?
< 1226950885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it stores the IP position and delta
< 1226950893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but you use -DUSE32
< 1226950906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I wanted to make sure it was big enough even if the define was different
< 1226950912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cfunge use either int32_t or int64_t
< 1226950921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and long long can be *anything*
< 1226950929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it has to be at least 64 bits
< 1226950929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't know how large long long is
< 1226950933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus large enough to store the deltas
< 1226950946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226950946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not relying on wraparound, it's signed anyway so you can't rely on behaviour for out-of-range
< 1226950959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true
< 1226950993 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226951063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The 0x70001ff1 is a magic number used specifically by this code"?
< 1226951072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet I don't see that value except in the comment?
< 1226951112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1226951122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is one screen above the comment
< 1226951129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ... ^
< 1226951135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look at that again
< 1226951140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see if I can figure out how it happened
< 1226951202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, that's correct, it's commenting the use of the number two screenfuls down
< 1226951220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's at the top because the comment is about the control flow in the function
< 1226951234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can either use autogenerated numbers (the very next line) or a magic number written later
< 1226951240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226951241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1226951243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can write sane C, but chooses not to when working on C-INTERCAL
< 1226951246 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-66.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226951271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even understand that logic
< 1226951299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you need to know something of how ick_ec.h works to follow that logic
< 1226951307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess so
< 1226951310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and remember that INTERCAL code doesn't run from top to bottom
< 1226951325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of like annotating the target of a COME FROM to explain stuff about the COME FROM itself
< 1226951329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or vice versa
< 1226951332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what was the command to build using iffi, I mean building a test program
< 1226951335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I need that now
< 1226951373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick -eb iffit1.i iffit2.b98
< 1226951375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1226951385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iffit1.i and iffit2.b98 can be found in pit/tests
< 1226951398 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226951417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226951438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need the -b if you like to live dangerously
< 1226951442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about ecto_b98.c?
< 1226951462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I needed to modify it
< 1226951464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's linked in automatically when it sees -e and a file ending .b98
< 1226951472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so where does it look for the file?
< 1226951474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's installed somewhere
< 1226951481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in /usr/share/ick-0.29 I think
< 1226951494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah /home/anmaster/local/ick-iffi/share/ick-0.29/ecto_b98.c
< 1226951494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly /usr/include
< 1226951497 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226951500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, shaer
< 1226951501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*share
< 1226951519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be either I suppose, it should be in the place for "include files written in a different language"
< 1226951547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICL899I HELLO?
< 1226951547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        CAN ANYONE GIVE ME A HAND HERE?
< 1226951547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        CORRECT SOURCE AND RESUBNIT
< 1226951548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err?
< 1226951567 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, I can't remember what that one is straight off either
< 1226951591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it couldn't find libick_ecto_b98
< 1226951597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226951600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the file the build system's meant to have been building in the first plcae
< 1226951602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*place
< 1226951608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*libick_ecto_b98.a
< 1226951690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got a bug
< 1226951699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :output doesn't match iffit.doc
< 1226951706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1226951708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how different is it?
< 1226951708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last line is XV
< 1226951715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, wrong command line
< 1226951718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try with -bea
< 1226951719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XIV
< 1226951720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15
< 1226951720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16
< 1226951720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17
< 1226951720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XV
< 1226951721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kept tripping me up too
< 1226951722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that
< 1226951726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the -a for?
< 1226951733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :support for CREATE statements
< 1226951739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226951741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it works
< 1226951816 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226951824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is an interesting challenge to try to figure out how the tests
< 1226951825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :work, especially given that the Funge program is self-modifying, the
< 1226951825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :statements in the INTERCAL program don't always do the same thing
< 1226951825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time they're run, and the Funge program modifies the syntax of
< 1226951825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the INTERCAL program at runtime.
< 1226951827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1226951849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is needed for a thorough test suite...
< 1226951866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um didn't you say mid dot was the same in utf8?
< 1226951870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my terminal disagrees
< 1226951901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, not in UTF8
< 1226951901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with iso-whatever it shows a middot, in utf8 it shows a box
< 1226951904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in Latin-1
< 1226951910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is iso-whatever, yes
< 1226951916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same in Unicode
< 1226951916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what other one?
< 1226951919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but UTF8 != Unicode
< 1226951923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1226951923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226951934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need to use UTF-9 or bignum characters to get it to work in a Unicode character set
< 1226951946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-2?
< 1226951947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and AFAIK nothing implements UTF-9, therefore I must add it to convickt I suppose
< 1226951961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about UTF-16?
< 1226951961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nope, uses two bytes per char so is incompatible with Funge
< 1226951966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah hm true
< 1226951967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226951975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well UTF-9 wouldn't work either
< 1226951976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: UTF-16 is UCS-2, pretty much, the differences are too minor to be relevant here
< 1226951984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless CHAR_BITS = 9
< 1226951984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it would on a 9-bit system
< 1226951986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't work
< 1226951991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to POSIX 2001
< 1226951994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why wouldn't CHAR_BIT=9 work?
< 1226952007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, all types must be a multiple of CHAR_BITS
< 1226952022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so int can be 4 times as large for example
< 1226952023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however
< 1226952028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work for int32_t
< 1226952032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which C also defines
< 1226952035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your code is buggy
< 1226952038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if CHAR_BITS isn't a multiple of 2
< 1226952040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be using int_least32_t
< 1226952052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int32_t doesn't exist if there isn't a 32-bit type for it to refer to
< 1226952054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no I shouldn't, I'm using int32_t because that is what 32-bit funge means
< 1226952059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means exactly 32 bits
< 1226952066 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could simulate it on a 36-bit system, surely?
< 1226952075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, give me one to test on?
< 1226952081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, exactly
< 1226952085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to write an emulator first
< 1226952095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because the technology doesn't exist, though, doesn't mean C-INTERCAL shouldn't handle it
< 1226952098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well POSIX.1-2001 says CHAR_BITS nowdays have to be exactly 8
< 1226952106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on POSIX conforming systems
< 1226952106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I perfectly understand cfunge not running on that sort of thing
< 1226952116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since otherwise you can't have int8_t
< 1226952138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and using int_least8_t makes no sense if you need to read a binary file format for example
< 1226952166 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226952202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but really the C standard only allow a multiple of 2 these days
< 1226952209 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't those systems usually just read binary files as nonets where the highest bit is always zero?
< 1226952222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh? maybe
< 1226952231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: probably they have options, and converters, and such
< 1226952253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more worried with figuring out how to represent UTF-9 on an 8-bit system
< 1226952259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be in C-INTERCAL already if not for that
< 1226952321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err where is ick_iffi_handle_control called from
< 1226952329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is implemented in ecto_b98.c
< 1226952343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't seem to be called anywhere
< 1226952386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: let me grep for it
< 1226952391 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You can represent it by packing your stuff stuff into units of four UTF-9 characters, and then representing those as 7 base64 characters; that should be perverse enough for everyone. And email-safe!
< 1226952456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1226952460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what is it actually called?
< 1226952466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that name doesn't seem to appear anywhere in my repo
< 1226952480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick_iffi_HandleControl
< 1226952482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1226952505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is char* ick_iffi_befungeString? Everywhere I look it is extern
< 1226952514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where is the actual non-extern one
< 1226952528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: both are in generated code
< 1226952532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you couldn't find them
< 1226952540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the handle one too?
< 1226952541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226952546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is it declared
< 1226952547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the first one, the name is irrelevant except the linker needs to find it somewhere
< 1226952558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so how can I rename it?
< 1226952561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the underscore one
< 1226952570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you seem to try to write the same style of names as I do
< 1226952582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so since I changed logically so should you
< 1226952592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one is in perpet.c
< 1226952594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a string literal
< 1226952597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for ick_iffi_befungeString it needs to be changed to unsigned
< 1226952605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that is what befunge expects nowdays
< 1226952613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but it's just a string literal
< 1226952619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and string literals aren't of type unsigned char*
< 1226952620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok I'll cast it
< 1226952627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, const char*
< 1226952632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226952633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which on my system seems to be signed
< 1226952652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge uses unsigned char* for all strings nowdays
< 1226952660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a cast would work yes
< 1226952709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway where is ick_iffi_handle_control named then?
< 1226952732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the name is irrelevant, it's just because it needs something to pass to the linker
< 1226952739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could call it foo and the compiler wouldn't care
< 1226952749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do I need to update some linker script?
< 1226952752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it might clash with a user-defined identifier foo if someone was linking INTERCAL/C/Befung
< 1226952753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Befunge
< 1226952757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it's automatically handled
< 1226952761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1226952771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ICK_EC_FUNCTION_START generates the prototypes and the wrapper code and everything
< 1226952794 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night
< 1226952820 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1226952938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226952970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/ecto_b98.c:78: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘ick_restore_ip_pos_delta’
< 1226952971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1226952979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226952983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is that the first error?
< 1226952990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that normally means missing header file, IIRC
< 1226952992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed it
< 1226952995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was externvoid
< 1226952999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of a extern void
< 1226953016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works now
< 1226953161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does posix shell support +=
< 1226953166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for string concat
< 1226953174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know bash does but..
< 1226953339 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226953355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ?
< 1226953363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not sure
< 1226953368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to keep to very simple stuff
< 1226953374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should run on shells from decades ago ideally
< 1226953378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Please enable this when making changes. Requested by the cfunge author.
< 1226953378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -Wall -Wextra -pedantic -Wpointer-arith -Wimplicit -Wnested-externs -Wcast-align -Wcast-qual -Wbad-function-cast -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wparentheses -Wshadow -Wundef -Wpacked -Wredundant-decls -Wfloat-equal -Wstrict-aliasing=2 -Wformat=2 -Wdisabled-optimization -Wmissing-noreturn -Wmissing-format-attribute -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wunuse
< 1226953378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d-function -Wunused-label -Wunused-value -Wunused-variable -Wwrite-strings"
< 1226953380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1226953387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226953416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is what i use in cfunge basically, well I use a few more that give spurious warnings for this code
< 1226953427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw this prototype looks odd to me:
< 1226953428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extern void ick_create(char*, unsigned long);
< 1226953432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are missing parameter names
< 1226953442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are useful for understanding wtf the code does
< 1226953539 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINNS!
< 1226953547 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE ARE YOU ALL
< 1226953555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1226953562 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nUyFg9xoPKk
< 1226953581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it creates an entry in a hash table
< 1226953604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like, call it char* signature, unsigned long line_number_variant_that_isnt_used_for_a_global_variable
< 1226953612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all the names like lineno are already taken
< 1226953620 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch it, oklopol
< 1226953621 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WATCH IT
< 1226953683 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... you don't have to put variable names in function prototypes?
< 1226953685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I have a 725 line diff here
< 1226953703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad
< 1226953710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it's mostly search-and-replace?
< 1226953716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many parts yes
< 1226953787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait it got one single error
< 1226953790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fixes
< 1226953829 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yeah i watched
< 1226953848 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :julmahuvi is awesome
< 1226953852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it does not integrate it in build system, I can't manage that, but it would be easy to make it do so
< 1226953863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... a start would be nice to work from though
< 1226953867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make it easier to integrate
< 1226953867 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: finns are crazy :P
< 1226953905 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way?
< 1226953975 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our scetch shows are, in my experience, more experimental than say american ones on average
< 1226953981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226954006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if we're that much crazier as a people, i don't know that many amercans
< 1226954009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i¨
< 1226954070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6956 /mnt/phoenix/ick/c-intercal/iffi.diff
< 1226954072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1226954073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1226954078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure was regenerated
< 1226954085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and someone put it in the damn repo
< 1226954091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grins evilly
< 1226954109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well why do so much change between autoconf versions
< 1226954117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-# Generated by GNU Autoconf 2.61 for C-INTERCAL 0.29.
< 1226954117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+# Generated by GNU Autoconf 2.63 for C-INTERCAL 0.29.
< 1226954144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it doesn't actually, it's just superficial things that annoy diff a lot
< 1226954172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok 735 now
< 1226954191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is the darcs command like svn st?
< 1226954194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listing changed files
< 1226954198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just file names
< 1226954201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not full diffs
< 1226954223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to remember
< 1226954263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be darcs whatsnew -s
< 1226954265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure
< 1226954324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION test patches and compiles
< 1226954420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://kuonet.org/~anmaster/tmp/iffi.diff
< 1226954442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I haven't done anything to make those HAVE_ work
< 1226954451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor messed with autotools at all
< 1226954463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the script now takes two parameters: ick source and cfunge source
< 1226954473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be easy to modify to make autoconf set those
< 1226954480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for you that is
< 1226954491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226954493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need to cp the library yourself into the install
< 1226954503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that needs fixing but shouldn't be too hard
< 1226954513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and you need the cfunge version I pushed just about an hour ago
< 1226954514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever seen the gcc build system by the way, it's a nightmare
< 1226954529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new release: a few weeks probably
< 1226954544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no I haven't looked at gcc build system
< 1226954547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me about it
< 1226954549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the diff has mixed tabs and spaces even in the code which is indented as pure tabs
< 1226954556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of unidiffs putting spaces at the start of each line
< 1226954561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's like autoconf but worse
< 1226954564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's vaguely based on autoconf
< 1226954564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well blame diff
< 1226954569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but filled with lots of shell scripting in between
< 1226954572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it puts a space at the start of each
< 1226954575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know
< 1226954586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it *should* be correct elsewhere
< 1226954593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean when applied
< 1226954643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway now this works for me:
< 1226954645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../etc/cftoec.sh .. ../../cfunge/trunk
< 1226954653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../etc/cftoec.sh: Permission denied
< 1226954656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Curse darcs
< 1226954660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod +x ../etc/cftoec.sh
< 1226954661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../etc/cftoec.sh: Permission denied
< 1226954662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226954665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../etc/cftoec.sh .. ../../cfunge/trunk
< 1226954668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...]
< 1226954677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1226954677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make install
< 1226954685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp libick_ecto_b98.a /home/arvid/local/ick/lib/
< 1226954689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, basically
< 1226954704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course adjust paths
< 1226954706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226954712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and adjust the +x of darcs
< 1226954720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it refuses to use +x for anything
< 1226954723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what made you change away from CamelCase/
< 1226954725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw
< 1226954727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just curious
< 1226954740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, an inner change of state of mind I guess
< 1226954744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it uses +x for files which were +x before they were added, just it doesn't store file permissions in the repo
< 1226954749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finding my true self
< 1226954762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it was -x here...
< 1226954772 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always held a policy of minimum underscores.
< 1226954785 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they take a long time to type for me
< 1226954793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I mean if you have a +x file
< 1226954796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you update it
< 1226954798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stays +x
< 1226954808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if darcs has to create it it doesn't know what perms to give it
< 1226954819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226954839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, why? _ takes as long as A
< 1226954843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift--
< 1226954845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1226954848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift-a
< 1226954852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the keyboard layout probably
< 1226954858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, shift-a's faster for me
< 1226954862 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all
< 1226954864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't have to open my hand as much
< 1226954866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1226954872 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... _ is way up top
< 1226954876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift-A is two fingers right next to each other
< 1226954879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- is next to the right shift key
< 1226954883 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be more like a shift-P
< 1226954885 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226954887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can just use two fingers there twoo
< 1226954887 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1226954888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too*
< 1226954888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on a typical UK or US keyboard
< 1226954889 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use left shift
< 1226954892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1226954893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- is to the right of 0
< 1226954895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a Swedish keyboard
< 1226954897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :above P
< 1226954903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bnm,.-<shift>
< 1226954924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ and } are horrible however when programming
< 1226954935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a messy AltGr-7 and AltGr-0
< 1226954936 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python ftw
< 1226954941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, scheme
< 1226954950 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226954953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or erlang
< 1226954959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though erlang use {} for tuples
< 1226954968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but erlang is one of the few languages with really sane indention
< 1226954979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a mad sane way
< 1226954988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses neither {} nor indention
< 1226954990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for blocks
< 1226954997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, to delimit expressions
< 1226955001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :; to end a block
< 1226955007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. to end the last clause of a function
< 1226955013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1226955030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway does the diff work for you?
< 1226955057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also I left the hard coded gcc
< 1226955059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than cc
< 1226955066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed you had some reason for it
< 1226955073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm ick_ec won't compile under anything else
< 1226955077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to fix that at some point
< 1226955083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm doing stupid compiler tricks as-is
< 1226955151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it compiles under icc iirc
< 1226955165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though with "gcc extensions" warning
< 1226955215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there is one place I can approve of "stupid compiler tricks" and that is kernel. The Linux kernel does some pretty strange compiler and linker tricks for example
< 1226955390 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226955395 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226955485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so the patch works for you then? Want me to make some patches adding missing const?
< 1226955527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you already tests if const exists...
< 1226955617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226956378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ?
< 1226956390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I haven't tested it yet, got sidetracked with something else
< 1226956398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spend ages applying patches because I review them for ages first
< 1226956400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my head often
< 1226956411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and what about the const bit?
< 1226956468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably something for a later version
< 1226956593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I can make patches now
< 1226956594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226956622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to go ahead if you do, and I'll review them some time later
< 1226956626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/do/like/
< 1226956714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok, what was the strange build procedure for clc now again?
< 1226956719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the multi-pass compiling iirc?
< 1226956744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: basically, it has an IASM interpreter in Perl
< 1226956751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an INTERCAL -> IASM compiler, written in IASM
< 1226956771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, the INTERCAL -> IASM compiler is written in IACC
< 1226956780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a IACC -> IASM compiler written in IACC too
< 1226956791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226956805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you compile the compiler to produce the compiler with the aid of a prebuilt compiler, then you compile the compiler that compiles the program with the new compiler, then compile the program
< 1226956808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and interpret the result
< 1226956822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't it support embedding perl into intercal
< 1226956829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a highly undocumented way
< 1226956874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226956878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :into IASM actually
< 1226956898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1226956904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not JIT it into pure perl
< 1226956909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an additional step
< 1226957040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: have you seen IASM?
< 1226957042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has COME FROMs
< 1226957046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and CREATEs
< 1226957052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and theft handling
< 1226957063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure JITting it into pure Perl makes a whole lot of sense
< 1226957103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226957107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, really?
< 1226957111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226957123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but was that ever a point considered with intercal?
< 1226957128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making sense I mean
< 1226957132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226957140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right, it would be impressive
< 1226957143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just I'm not sure it's possible
< 1226957144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1226957147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226957168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then JIT the perl into C which you JIT into native code?
< 1226957169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1226957188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Perl JIT into C?
< 1226957198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make it
< 1226957206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to write a lot of code of course
< 1226957220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway by that point it has probably become JTL
< 1226957224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just Too Late
< 1226957234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC-INTERCAL is a JTL compiler
< 1226957238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with exactly  that expansion
< 1226957238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226957269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226957282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why was the reason for that name now again?
< 1226957310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the way it does CREATE
< 1226957315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it reaches a syntax error, it errors
< 1226957324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the error cleanup code recompiles the relevant bit of code
< 1226957327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226957329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the new syntax
< 1226957363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the statement is valid but has another meaning before the create?
< 1226957425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's invalidated
< 1226957427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point
< 1226957445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw
< 1226957455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the JTL is done even without CREATEs
< 1226957466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the compiler just bundles a whole load of CREATEs with the program
< 1226957473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226957478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's bundled with the program is actually the compiler
< 1226957483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not evaluate the CREATE as you run into them?
< 1226957489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of trying to continue anyway
< 1226957534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how does it handle the possibility that output has already been performed?
< 1226957554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is this before running it?
< 1226957560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is before running
< 1226957563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226957566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still
< 1226957568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not evaluate the CREATE as you run into them?
< 1226957581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's INTERCAL?
< 1226957588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that would cause repeated recompiling for short programs
< 1226957593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226957602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they're more CREATE-laden than command-laden
< 1226957606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could evaluate the CREATE as you compile
< 1226957608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it fails if someone modifies the compiler itself
< 1226957612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the syntax of CREATE itself
< 1226957621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or?
< 1226957653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you?
< 1226957931 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :create-laden, command-laden, bin-laden
< 1226958429 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226958718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/ick_ec.c: In function ‘ick_dounop’:
< 1226958718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/ick_ec.c:76: warning: initializer element is not computable at load time
< 1226958723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I got no clue what that means
< 1226958740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1226958743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is the line in question inside a function?
< 1226958745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, that's fine
< 1226958750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh? what?
< 1226958756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  if(st)
< 1226958756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  {
< 1226958756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ick_createdata icd[3]={{16,0,1601,{og1,os1},arg1},
< 1226958756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :			   {16,0,1602,{og2,os2},arg2},
< 1226958756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :			   {16,0,1603,{og3,os3},0}};
< 1226958758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like that
< 1226958762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's fine
< 1226958765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the array is the one it warns on
< 1226958773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just complaining that it can't optimise the thing
< 1226958774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is correct
< 1226958778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's filled in partly at runtime
< 1226958780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, doesn't that mean PIC code breaks?
< 1226958788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it?
< 1226958794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1226958799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same as filling in the structure at runtime
< 1226958802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1226958807 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1226958807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it complain at all then?
< 1226958817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it can't have a nice constant initialiser it can blit into place
< 1226958821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less efficient that way
< 1226958862 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f36234e21b7af066 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226958884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh I tried to use csope for quick browsing but it gets confused by ick's source
< 1226958897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way?
< 1226958912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line numbers are off
< 1226958913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick's source confuses lots of things, I have #if 0s to unconfuse emacs' auto-indenter for isntance
< 1226959058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah now it works again
< 1226959063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C symbol: ick_findandfopen
< 1226959063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  File       Function          Line
< 1226959063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 uncommon.h <global>            6 extern FILE* ick_findandfopen( char *, char *, char *, char *);
< 1226959063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 uncommon.h <global>            6 extern FILE* ick_findandfopen( char *, char *, char *, char *);
< 1226959068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why two matches I don't know
< 1226959072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be the same one
< 1226959076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so still confused
< 1226959124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, er what does /*@observer@*/  mean?
< 1226959135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and /*@dependent@*/
< 1226959151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they're annotations for splint
< 1226959155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not correct ones though
< 1226959157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what do they mean?
< 1226959160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're approximately right
< 1226959166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what do they mean?
< 1226959167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a memory leak checker
< 1226959175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since splint fails at C99 it means I don't use it
< 1226959181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :observer means that the pointer is to something which isn't allocated or deallocated and is valid to start with
< 1226959184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it takes a pointer
< 1226959193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just looks at its contents
< 1226959198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't allocate or deallocate or anything
< 1226959216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependent means that it's derived in some way from some other value, for instance it's a field in a struct and the struct itself is malloced
< 1226959221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226959237 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1226959244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :observer means it doesn't change either?
< 1226959247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :const?
< 1226959259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :const means it isn't allocated at all I think
< 1226959264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226959265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a global that isn't changed
< 1226959269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's a while since I annotated
< 1226959270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it seems to be a *C* const
< 1226959273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the annotations are wrong
< 1226959280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have to be
< 1226959291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's mathematically impossible to correctly annotate a program that contains memory leaks
< 1226959294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without cheating
< 1226959299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C-INTERCAL has memory leaks
< 1226959310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just I don't think splint can grasp the sort of memory structure it has
< 1226959315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1226959318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you describe it?
< 1226959327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION already added a few const
< 1226959329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the multithreading structure that creates the most havoc
< 1226959344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a linked ring of threads (like a linked list but the start and end connect)
< 1226959355 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that threads have stacks of threads growing from them
< 1226959359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also is there a reason not to put the names of the parameters in the prototypes in the headers?
< 1226959359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the stacks can share tails
< 1226959373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each element of each of those stacks can reference other elements anywhere due to sharing
< 1226959388 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: splint doesn't like it, if there's a macro with that name declared before the header's included the header breaks
< 1226959395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, size in some cases
< 1226959400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1226959406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you have functions with 11 args, giving the params names is kind-of pointless
< 1226959411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better to write a comment explaining what they do
< 1226959414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226959423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a macro shouldn't be lower case
< 1226959423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than trying to fit the full crazy semantics into the prototype
< 1226959477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not an issue
< 1226959477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which wasn't designed for them
< 1226959477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it is in some cases
< 1226959477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance all the identifiers in stdio.h are in implementation namespace
< 1226959477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the params in prototypes
< 1226959477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1226959477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't name one stderr
< 1226959477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or errno
< 1226959477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case someone does #define fmt void
< 1226959477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1226959482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and #define fmt void is pure insane
< 1226959487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then stdio does int printf(const char* fmt, ...)
< 1226959490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's their own faults
< 1226959496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not according to the standard
< 1226959502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's perfectly legal to do that then include stdio.h
< 1226959510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more fun:
< 1226959516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define va_list void
< 1226959519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include <stdio.h>
< 1226959523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#undef va_list
< 1226959525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226959526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include <stdarg.h>
< 1226959531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(later on, call vprintf)
< 1226959539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1226959539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what i can gather, AnMaster is continuing his usual paradox of "Follow the standards exactly" and "If someone fucks up let them burn"?
< 1226959551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should just have someone relay me everything AnMaster says.
< 1226959552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait.
< 1226959553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc's install process includes a script merely to correct system headers for that pathological case
< 1226959561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it's the ohter way round
< 1226959584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster is claiming that compilers shouldn't take care to support what I just wrote because it's obviously insane
< 1226959593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, it is, but the standard doesn't disallow it
< 1226959608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but AnMaster rigidly supports standards.
< 1226959614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he cannot reconcile those two opinions.
< 1226959654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh what?
< 1226959671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does ick do anything like that?
< 1226959676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it doesn't
< 1226959680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not it isn't an issue in internal headers
< 1226959683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ick_ec.h ok
< 1226959684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1226959691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you've ever used splint, it's one of the most pathologically scrupulous lint versions ever
< 1226959696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should run it on cfunge just for fun
< 1226959704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it can't handle C99
< 1226959706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Error: Code is broken."
< 1226959707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried it
< 1226959707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes
< 1226959720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fails on a simple for (int i...) for example
< 1226959727 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226959731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it reports all sorts of things at the highest level which should never be a problem for anyone in practice
< 1226959733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the { .fieldname ... } thing
< 1226959733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it can
< 1226959739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I approve of that, personally
< 1226959743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, splint -weak
< 1226959744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1226959746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or +weak
< 1226959748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember
< 1226959757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it don't know POSIX
< 1226959762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it complains about unknown functions
< 1226959768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and man says part of the 1993 POSIX
< 1226959774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when using the +posixwhatever flag
< 1226959780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so IMO it is crap
< 1226959786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can create a splint information library to get around that
< 1226959803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it should be able to look at the system headers to find out
< 1226959804 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just difficult to use, and simultaneously crazily overengineered and crazily underengineered
< 1226959808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as an esoprogrammer, I like that
< 1226959823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it totally fails to parse anything
< 1226959826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pointless
< 1226959845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it wants you to cast the result from malloc
< 1226959849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1226959855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure fine for C++
< 1226959857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is C*
< 1226959862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*C**
< 1226959924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you had it set up wrong; the problem is setting it up right is very hard
< 1226959952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I don't know. I sent a mail about the C99 issue. I never got any answer
< 1226959961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was over 5 months ago
< 1226959984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay uncommon.c is warning free
< 1226959999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... uncommon.c is used by everything, so that's nice
< 1226960014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well correctly const warnings
< 1226960030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not insane enough to use all the warnings cfunge use for ick
< 1226960032 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My splint (completely without flags) doesn't want me to cast malloc.
< 1226960046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just -Wall -Wextra -pedantic -Wwrite-strings
< 1226960080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226960091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as long as you don't turn on unsafe loop optimisations...
< 1226960181 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not even "splint +strict" wants me to cast malloc's return value; although in that mode it does complain about testing whether foo is NULL or not with "if (foo)"...)
< 1226960192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh returning a pointer to a static buffer
< 1226960207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh you tried it?
< 1226960209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: careful, the name C-INTERCAL starts with a c just like cfunge
< 1226960212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slippery slope
< 1226960215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, I'm not that insane
< 1226960238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: which return pointer to static function are you worried about?
< 1226960249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick_findandtestopen
< 1226960252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  static char buf2[BUFSIZ];
< 1226960258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ret = ick_debfopen(buf2,mode); /* where it ought to be */
< 1226960258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  if(ret) {(void) fclose(ret); return buf2;}
< 1226960276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and static buffer
< 1226960278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not function
< 1226960310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, ok
< 1226960321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, still this worries me
< 1226960325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one doesn't always return a pointer to a static buffer
< 1226960331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it returns a pointer to argv instead
< 1226960335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226960362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw would it be possible to make it return const char* ?
< 1226960373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would that mess up elsewhere
< 1226960377 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226960383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can return a char* as const char*, can't you
< 1226960386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably it would be safe
< 1226960389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(argv's a char*)
< 1226960396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the result is only ever used immediately
< 1226960398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well it would cause issues elsewhere if you tried to change it
< 1226960399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then discarded
< 1226960401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226960411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though, let me grep the code as usual
< 1226960415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it possible to get rid of warnings in the case it returns the argument file
< 1226960419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it sometimes does
< 1226960429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is sometimes a string constant it seems
< 1226960438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226960450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better, it's a string constant passed in from configure via the makefile
< 1226960468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, anything that's input as observer is safe to return as const
< 1226960471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if I have the annotations right
< 1226960479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1226960487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in the case that the caller owns the observer in question
< 1226960489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind
< 1226960517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you can't make it return a const char* as a char* logically
< 1226960524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you probably could
< 1226960528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C it is a warning not an error
< 1226960531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway.
< 1226960542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/yuk.c:185: warning: ISO C90 does not support the ‘ll’ printf length modifier
< 1226960542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1226960543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh what?
< 1226960546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :const_cast<char*>(my_const_char_argument)
< 1226960548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226960556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this is not C++
< 1226960558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226960559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1226960561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/yuk.c:183:35: warning: use of C99 long long integer constant
< 1226960561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/yuk.c:184:14: warning: use of C99 long long integer constant
< 1226960561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/yuk.c:184:37: warning: use of C99 long long integer constant
< 1226960562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226960563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226960568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...
< 1226960571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99 in yuk.c is an error
< 1226960573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1226960583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several more
< 1226960587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless suddenty C-INTERCAL needs C99 to be able to debug it
< 1226960588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/yuk.c:182:25: warning: use of C99 long long integer constant
< 1226960588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/yuk.c:182:53: warning: use of C99 long long integer constant
< 1226960588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/yuk.c:183:13: warning: use of C99 long long integer constant
< 1226960588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/yuk.c:183:35: warning: use of C99 long long integer constant
< 1226960588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/yuk.c:184:14: warning: use of C99 long long integer constant
< 1226960589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/yuk.c:184:37: warning: use of C99 long long integer constant
< 1226960594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/yuk.c:185: warning: ISO C90 does not support the ‘ll’ printf length modifier
< 1226960595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/yuk.c:185: warning: ISO C90 does not support the ‘ll’ printf length modifier
< 1226960597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/yuk.c:185: warning: ISO C90 does not support the ‘ll’ printf length modifier
< 1226960599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/yuk.c:185: warning: ISO C90 does not support the ‘ll’ printf length modifier
< 1226960601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/yuk.c:185: warning: ISO C90 does not support the ‘ll’ printf length modifier
< 1226960603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/yuk.c:185: warning: ISO C90 does not support the ‘ll’ printf length modifier
< 1226960604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any actual long longs in there?
< 1226960605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/perpet.c:697:8: warning: C++ style comments are not allowed in ISO C90
< 1226960607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1226960609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one
< 1226960627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YPTIMERTFORMAT
< 1226960629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, that's serious if it isn't temporary
< 1226960630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that one
< 1226960637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use // comments for debug stuff deliberately
< 1226960642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, YPTIMERTFORMAT seems to be %ll
< 1226960647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can compile as strict to get the warnings to see where it is
< 1226960647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess
< 1226960651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue what YPTIMERTFORMAT
< 1226960652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and if it's YPTIMERTFORMAT that's fine
< 1226960660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh why?
< 1226960660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :config.h works out if long long is available
< 1226960671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the YPTIMERTYPE stuff has lots of different settings
< 1226960681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of which are C89, some are C99, some are POSIX and some aren't even that
< 1226960688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a SunOS-specific version of it
< 1226960702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can override YPTIMERTIME to 0 by hand in yuk.h to avoid the warnings
< 1226960709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't mind a really bad profile resolution
< 1226960722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's C99 because configure determined that C99 was safe there
< 1226960736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on a C89 system YPTIMERTFORMAT would be something else
< 1226960790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#if 0
< 1226960790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :			 0) // to unconfuse Emacs
< 1226960790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif
< 1226960793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it is
< 1226960795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the //
< 1226960803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's in a #if 0
< 1226960806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore it will never be parsed
< 1226960814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1226960816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well tell that to gcc 4.3.2
< 1226960820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comments happen before pp-directives don't they
< 1226960823 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#if 0
< 1226960826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, but it's not a problem
< 1226960826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1226960829 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAH, nothing will ever happen on #esoteric again!
< 1226960830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C89 it isn't a comment
< 1226960836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR,
< 1226960837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a syntax error
< 1226960838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif
< 1226960842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but syntax errors are harmless inside #if 0
< 1226960844 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooooooes!
< 1226960846 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foiled again.
< 1226960849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's very very INTERCAL in fact
< 1226960857 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a syntax error which never runs, that's how INTERCAL does comments...
< 1226960869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/perpet.c:300: warning: assignment discards qualifiers from pointer target type
< 1226960870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226960880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's presumably a result of your const changes?
< 1226960897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well rather the lack of it
< 1226960902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't changed that
< 1226960904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1226960907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a configure time constant
< 1226960909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you changed somewhere else
< 1226960911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :string literal
< 1226960914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1226960923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no I simply enabled the relevant -W :P
< 1226960929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/perpet.c:559: warning: format not a string literal, argument types not checked
< 1226960929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/perpet.c:559: warning: format not a string literal, argument types not checked
< 1226960930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1226960955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, gcc can check that format is correct if it is a literal
< 1226960958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that?
< 1226960961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Wformat=2
< 1226960970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I did know about format checking
< 1226960977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I'm interpolating something into a format arg there
< 1226960984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifndef HAVE_SNPRINTF
< 1226960984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	  (void) sprintf(buf2, tempfn, argv[optind]);
< 1226960984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#else
< 1226960984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	  (void) snprintf(buf2, sizeof buf2, tempfn, argv[optind]);
< 1226960984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif
< 1226960985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226960988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it's worth checking separately if there's a printf injection bug there
< 1226960989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about making a macro?
< 1226960996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would probably be easiler
< 1226960997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier*
< 1226961000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe_snprintf
< 1226961001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1226961011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so
< 1226961016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what cfunge would do
< 1226961022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it's just hiding the underlying problem
< 1226961025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it would fix that "need to fix up emacs"
< 1226961027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226961030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that there's a buffer overflow if you don't have snprintf
< 1226961046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes true, but then there is no solution to it
< 1226961051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you don't have it anyway
< 1226961059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could implement it yourself I suppose
< 1226961063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1226961064 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't you just say that a macro shouldn't be in lowercase? :p
< 1226961069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may not be intercal-y
< 1226961070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what I really need is an assert_snprintf
< 1226961074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which snprintfs if needed
< 1226961078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, true, but a macro function vs a defined constant
< 1226961081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit different
< 1226961086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if ther would be a buffer overflow it barfs spectacularly
< 1226961097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raise(SIGSEGV) maybe, it comes to the same thing in the end
< 1226961099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah I think I have seen it
< 1226961102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not exploitabl
< 1226961105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*exploitable
< 1226961108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me take a look at the crossfire source
< 1226961125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it barfs if sprintf says it overflowed
< 1226961140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'll just reimplement it myself
< 1226961150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is GPL2 so
< 1226961165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crossfire's porting.c
< 1226961167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, I don't want the INTERCAL licence situation to get even more muddled than it is
< 1226961172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even contains several variants of tempnam()
< 1226961178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all insecure
< 1226961184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a dream of chasing down the contributors and getting them to relicence bits of it sometime
< 1226961194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also C-INTERCAL's temporary naming system is even worse
< 1226961198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226961198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it uses hardcoded names in /tmp
< 1226961210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't run two copies of it in parallel safely
< 1226961212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah use mkstemp
< 1226961217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway crossfire is worse
< 1226961220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is a server
< 1226961226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it does a linear search every time
< 1226961261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting at (in settings.tmpdir) crossfire.pid.0
< 1226961268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then incrementing the last digit
< 1226961281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that not lead to collisions?
< 1226961281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is O(n) where n is current number of temp files
< 1226961286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, single threaded
< 1226961297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it expects you to set a custom temp dir
< 1226961301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ the pid of course
< 1226961324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, crossfire is from 1992, the oldest parts I mean
< 1226961328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that kind of explains it
< 1226961334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL is older I think
< 1226961338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1226961371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, intercal-0.3.shar is dated 1990
< 1226961383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so C89 was very new back then
< 1226961390 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226961391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C99 hadn't even been thought of
< 1226961393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argv[optind] = "ecto_b98";
< 1226961394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf?
< 1226961395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that
< 1226961403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is fun
< 1226961410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are editing argv?
< 1226961412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why on earth
< 1226961413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can go mad trying to track how argv changes throughout C-INTERCAL
< 1226961425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why are you editing argv?
< 1226961433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because the C standard says you cna, and the code already did that when I got to it
< 1226961436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it messes up my whole plan
< 1226961453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok but what are you using it for+
< 1226961454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226961455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of what it does puts NULs in there to replace dots
< 1226961461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to strip off file extensions
< 1226961465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	/* Sort out the ecto_b98 expansion library. */
< 1226961465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	argv[optind] = "ecto_b98";
< 1226961465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :	goto fixexpansionlibrary;
< 1226961467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what it says
< 1226961467 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of people edit argv; it's great fun, changing the command line as it shows up in places.
< 1226961478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, doesn't work the way it does it
< 1226961479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I hadn't even thought of that side effect
< 1226961489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to edit in place
< 1226961494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it doesn't work on linux afaik
< 1226961499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I edit in place too
< 1226961502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not that bit of code
< 1226961512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my
< 1226961517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not me, someone else wrote the bit that sets '.' to '\0' at the end of the filenames
< 1226961518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bsd got a function for it
< 1226961522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setprocname
< 1226961524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1226961526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remmeber
< 1226961529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember*
< 1226961537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thought you mean it had a function for stripping extensions in-place in argv
< 1226961547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be an oh my moment
< 1226961554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1226961565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a "oh fuck" one
< 1226961579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh fuck why am I even looking at this code"
< 1226961619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/perpet.c:1087: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
< 1226961620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/perpet.c:1107: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned
< 1226961620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw
< 1226961653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon there's at least a 50% chance there's something in CPAN to do that for Perl
< 1226961676 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a perennial favourite of forcibly lying about the process name is to rename your "nethack" game to "emacs thesis.tex".
< 1226961719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how risky, you should make it a symlink instead
< 1226961755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, doesn't work since nethack is sgid games
< 1226961760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and various other reasons
< 1226961769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like too long name to edit in place on linux
< 1226961772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the symlink method would work if not for the wrapper script
< 1226961776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can just run directly
< 1226961781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1226961798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/perpet.c:268: warning: no previous prototype for ‘isenv’
< 1226961798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226961816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~canou/obrowser/tutorial/
< 1226961819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it should be static
< 1226961820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W H O A
< 1226961824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the 1087 warning is due to reusing a general-purpose temporary
< 1226961836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, er?
< 1226961839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should be unsigned in context but is in fact signed
< 1226961840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226961846 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you just execve(3) it with any argv[0] you like?
< 1226961846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there's a temporary variable called i
< 1226961849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well just cast it
< 1226961850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is used for lots of stuff
< 1226961859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, casting is the wrong solution here
< 1226961869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution is to use a temporary variable that isn't hideously overloaded
< 1226961872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just um use C99 with for (int i
< 1226961875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P
< 1226961881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not an option indeed
< 1226961884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226961901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course the ironic thing here is that i only takes values in about the range 0-50
< 1226961908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it isn't actually an issue in the first place
< 1226961913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/perpet.c:269: warning: ‘isenv’ defined but not used
< 1226961914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1226961915 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1226961919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet it is used
< 1226961931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1226961935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should have:
< 1226961936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#if __DJGPP__
< 1226961938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :around it
< 1226961943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes
< 1226961958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it should be static
< 1226961960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there we go
< 1226961997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's because djgpp doesn't have a real /tmp dir
< 1226962001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's looking for a temporary directory
< 1226962017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of my few concessions to Windows, that one of the env vars it checks is something it defines
< 1226962251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kuonet.org/~anmaster/tmp/const1.diff
< 1226962261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^
< 1226962265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some early work on it
< 1226962280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect small patches are easier to review
< 1226962283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one megapatch
< 1226962297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if you want to ask questions about it hurry up since I'm going to bed soon
< 1226962306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urr
< 1226962314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ignore the config.h stuf changes
< 1226962320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why does all the text behind that link change colour when I mouseover?
< 1226962320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame it on autotools
< 1226962329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt for me
< 1226962347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the <p> tags
< 1226962359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it looks like normal const addition
< 1226962369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes and a few static
< 1226962374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably run it all through splint and see if anything broke, then through gcc and see if anything broke
< 1226962384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, gcc broke nothing
< 1226962384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p:hover { background-color: #ddf8ff }
< 1226962387 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why.
< 1226962388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :splint I don't know
< 1226962394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since splint is insane
< 1226962396 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that's a very strange style to set.
< 1226962401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :messing with static could potentially be risky, but I don't think so; I added static a couple of versions back
< 1226962404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, agreed
< 1226962406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after splinting the whole thing
< 1226962421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: your browser clearly doesn't implement CSS3 properly if it isn't happening to you
< 1226962428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does.
< 1226962429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I checked that those static functions weren't used anywhere else
< 1226962433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using grep
< 1226962439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1226962439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1226962441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even css3
< 1226962444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1226962446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously I must have missed them the first time
< 1226962447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean the Abstract: and such
< 1226962448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226962450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the background changes
< 1226962451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it is for tags other than <a>, isn't it?
< 1226962453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the actual content... no
< 1226962456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no.
< 1226962456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it was the isenv one
< 1226962462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, iirc, css1
< 1226962463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is only used on DJPPG thingy too
< 1226962475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: all the P tags, not just the abstract
< 1226962479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, well, WFM
< 1226962483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even lower down, the code examples don't but the explanation text does
< 1226962523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed
< 1226962575 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not CSS-anything where :hover works: "CSS doesn't define which elements may be in the above states, or how the states are entered and left." (in CSS2.1, at least.)
< 1226962578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I especially like the way they use .exe as an extension for OCaml bytecode
< 1226962658 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-45-102.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226962686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I have a soft spot for insane uses of JavaScript; maybe I should do something strange with it at some point.
< 1226962723 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like NOT USE IT
< 1226962741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: functional JS is fun, but that's been done
< 1226962760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should get olsner to compile my Underload interp in Thue to mod_rewrite
< 1226962770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have the very slowest Underload interpreter ever
< 1226962776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not JS, just vaguely webby
< 1226962863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, jsmips
< 1226962894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is mod_rewrite allowed to run for that long?
< 1226962901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it abort like mediawiki
< 1226963036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is it safe to make ick_numerals const?
< 1226963039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in numerals.c
< 1226963046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to remember
< 1226963049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the name part
< 1226963051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, doesn't clockface() edit it?
< 1226963062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word list should be OK though
< 1226963067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no idea
< 1226963075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef struct
< 1226963075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{
< 1226963075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    char *name;
< 1226963075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    int	value;
< 1226963075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}
< 1226963080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numeral;
< 1226963082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what it says
< 1226963088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want char*name to be const char*name
< 1226963093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick_numerals should be fine
< 1226963099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think char* name can be const too
< 1226963099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will get rid of lots and lots of warnings
< 1226963114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you said clockface edits it?
< 1226963117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1226963123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it changes a different array
< 1226963129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is in abcess.h, probably
< 1226963134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cespool.c
< 1226963137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cesspool.c
< 1226963153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ick_numerals isn't extern elsewhere
< 1226963157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet it is used elsewhere
< 1226963160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: #include
< 1226963161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the heck does that work
< 1226963165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the C file?
< 1226963167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226963177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I quote this filename.
< 1226963179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/arrgghh.c
< 1226963196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oil.y:281: warning: assignment discards qualifiers from pointer target type
< 1226963196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oil.y:281: warning: assignment discards qualifiers from pointer target type
< 1226963196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oil.y:282: warning: assignment discards qualifiers from pointer target type
< 1226963196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oil.y:282: warning: assignment discards qualifiers from pointer target type
< 1226963196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oil.y:283: warning: assignment discards qualifiers from pointer target type
< 1226963197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oil.y:283: warning: assignment discards qualifiers from pointer target type
< 1226963199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ grep -n numerals.c *
< 1226963199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots like that
< 1226963200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cesspool.c:47:#include "numerals.c"
< 1226963203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all the lines
< 1226963262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, found it
< 1226963268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found what?
< 1226963271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line 72
< 1226963271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that oil.y one?
< 1226963281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a char* element of a struct
< 1226963281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  char* condition;    /* Points to a constant string; the condition to generate
< 1226963281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ?
< 1226963284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes
< 1226963286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has string literals assigned to it
< 1226963288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it safe to change?
< 1226963300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Points to a constant string" that sounds very like const char* to me
< 1226963309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Could also point to something the lexer
< 1226963309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :			 mallocs, but then the lexer has to keep track of being
< 1226963309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :			 able to free it again."
< 1226963346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the fact that it could hold a constant string means it won't change
< 1226963349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, only helped with half of the warnings
< 1226963354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in oil.y
< 1226963358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next char* should be const char* too
< 1226963362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for nodetypename
< 1226963377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :safe?
< 1226963390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226963394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you ask? compile and find out
< 1226963403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it isn't safe you'll get an error for modifying something const
< 1226963410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I may not be able to trigger a case where it fails at runtime
< 1226963419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering how ick does it
< 1226963420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will fail at compile time if you write to a const
< 1226963425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there's a dangerous cast in there
< 1226963434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but not if you pass it to something taking a char*
< 1226963437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which there aren't because there's no need to cast to char* if everything's char* already
< 1226963439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's an error
< 1226963441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will just be a warning
< 1226963444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a warning
< 1226963446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you'll notice it won't you
< 1226963467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, with the crapload of other warnings it spews?
< 1226963474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep exists...
< 1226963482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could turn on just the particular warning you wany
< 1226963484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*want
< 1226963486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1226963493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that matter, someone should develop a warningdiff tool
< 1226963497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which saves compiler output
< 1226963497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the autoconf output is rather messy and hard to read
< 1226963498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make changes
< 1226963505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it tells you what changed
< 1226963506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make clean all &> make.log
< 1226963508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such
< 1226963513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is a pain
< 1226963517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you doing make clean every time?
< 1226963524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hard to diff otherwise
< 1226963534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a new make.log
< 1226963544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now cfunge is easy :P
< 1226963548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... couldn't you make, touch, make
< 1226963555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then change stuff
< 1226963559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then make, touch, make again
< 1226963562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you touched the same file each time
< 1226963563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1226963567 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same bits would recompile
< 1226963578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I often jump between files when I edit
< 1226963582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hard
< 1226963596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sane colour coded output would
< 1226963598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as from cmake
< 1226963605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/feh2.c:491: warning: initialization discards qualifiers from pointer target type
< 1226963620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enablersm1 hm
< 1226963621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do make mostlyclean rather than make clean, does that help?
< 1226963635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, that one's fun
< 1226963640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it takes like 20 seconds to build
< 1226963646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's how I make enablers be an array indexed from -1
< 1226963651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :declare enablersm1
< 1226963656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, read only?
< 1226963657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then define enablers to be enablersm1 + 1
< 1226963662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think it is
< 1226963664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least hope it is
< 1226963670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's a list of all the commands handled at compile-time
< 1226963678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 feh2.c   <global>  462 char *enablersm1[MAXTYPES+1] =
< 1226963679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 feh2.c   <global>  498 char ** enablers = enablersm1+1;
< 1226963679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 ick.h    <global>  132 extern char *enablersm1[MAXTYPES+1];
< 1226963679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm
< 1226963713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what is enablers?
< 1226963745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it basically is a human-readable name for each command
< 1226963751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, feh2.c and feh.h?
< 1226963761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: feh.c was split into two files
< 1226963766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are feh2.c and dekludge,c
< 1226963769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dekludge.c
< 1226963780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feh.h applies to the stuff in both
< 1226963859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ick builds quickly so make clean is no issue
< 1226963866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :35 seconds vs. 20
< 1226963882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parser.c: In function ‘yyparse’:
< 1226963882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parser.c:2781: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘yyerror’ discards qualifiers from pointer target type
< 1226963882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parser.c:2927: warning: passing argument 1 of ‘yyerror’ discards qualifiers from pointer target type
< 1226963883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226963890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ick builds quickly" <--- yay, something is seriously wrong with the world
< 1226963898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: parser.c is generated code
< 1226963907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well is the yyerror too?
< 1226963914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no
< 1226963915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extern int yyerror(char*);
< 1226963917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is in the y file
< 1226963922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't that be const char*
< 1226963922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226963925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, probably
< 1226963929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do with it?
< 1226963933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where's yyerror defined
< 1226963934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also that is what happens when you pass const to non-const
< 1226963938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a warning not an error
< 1226963942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, line 39
< 1226963947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in parser.y
< 1226963949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I pasted
< 1226963958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's declared not defined
< 1226963990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, in lexer.l
< 1226963993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./prebuilt/parser.c:extern int yyerror(char*);
< 1226963993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./prebuilt/oil-oil.c:int yyerror(char const *);
< 1226963993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./prebuilt/oil-oil.c:int yyerror(char const *s)
< 1226963994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226963997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to change the definition as well as the declaration
< 1226964010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: prebuilt is fun, it's for people without lex and yacc
< 1226964019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in the repo, but you can ignore it if you have lex and yacc workalikes yourself
< 1226964020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1226964059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexer.l:496: warning: no previous prototype for ‘yyerror’
< 1226964059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexer.c:2409: warning: ‘yyunput’ defined but not used
< 1226964059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexer.c:2452: warning: ‘input’ defined but not used
< 1226964068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, myatoi?
< 1226964069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1226964084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: its argument is potentially wchar_t
< 1226964085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than char
< 1226964092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think we gave up on the wchar_t stuff
< 1226964097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was too confusing
< 1226964102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should probably be const
< 1226964106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1226964112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though gcc doesn't see any string literal passed to it
< 1226964113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it does, is it copies its arg into a char array
< 1226964115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it didn't say anything
< 1226964123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is being passed a char*
< 1226964125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by bison
< 1226964130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which returns everything as char*s
< 1226964133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1226964137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still it should be const
< 1226964138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like all C code does before it's constified everywhere
< 1226964141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it doesn't change
< 1226964147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, modifying it is probably a bad idea
< 1226964168 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING TO ME
< 1226964185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the code doesn't currently modify it
< 1226964186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi olsner
< 1226964187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, really?
< 1226964191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I did
< 1226964198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referencing the Thue -> mod_rewrite compiler
< 1226964200 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, someone actually did.. I'm so happy now
< 1226964204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, nor should it
< 1226964214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: did you see my Underload interp in Thue?
< 1226964216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../c-intercal/src/cesspool.c:401: warning: passing argument 3 of ‘ick_clc_cset_convert’ discards qualifiers from pointer target type
< 1226964217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1226964219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the slowest Underload interp I know
< 1226964235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I thought it would be fun to combine it with your mod_rewrite stuff to make one that was even slower
< 1226964238 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be even slower in mod_rewrite I promise you
< 1226964251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ugh
< 1226964259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ?
< 1226964261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick_clc_cset_convert isn't a function I even like thinking about the call pattern of
< 1226964265 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apache has memory leaks, it doesn't free the memory for mod_rewrite until it's finished with the whole request
< 1226964269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has arguments everywhere going both ways
< 1226964280 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anything larger than fruit flies will just OOM the web server :)
< 1226964283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh well I have that sometimes, out parameters and in parameters
< 1226964296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'm kind of curious as to how long it would take to do hello world now
< 1226964310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's worse than it seems, because it can take some of its inputs either from files or from global variables
< 1226964324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok, what ones are safe to const?
< 1226964348 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting late now though... I'll have to look into this tomorrow
< 1226964411 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to give the thue->mod_rewrite a test run though (hey, it's just a four-line sed script amyway...)
< 1226964422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc by-sa 3.0 is the best license for creative works. discuss.
< 1226964432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I agree
< 1226964434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not sure offhand
< 1226964453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well parameter 3 and 4 are straightforward
< 1226964466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn it isn't in a header
< 1226964466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, I can't remember what half the arguments to that thing do
< 1226964469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily there are annotations
< 1226964470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is extern
< 1226964476 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<AnMaster> ehird, I agree" -- that's something you don't see every day. Were you people doing the ignore thing still?
< 1226964489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I could easily track incset/outcset control flow
< 1226964489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the good thing about Splint, the annotation reminds me wtf the args are meant to do)
< 1226964500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Still ignoring him. Tell him that actually i was being sarcastic even though I wasn't; it'll restore the universal balance.
< 1226964522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case the partial marker means that that struct has members some of which are inputs and some of which are outputs
< 1226964540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, suggestion, move extern int ick_clc_cset_convert(... out of cesspool.c to some header
< 1226964542 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: He'll see that without any explicit telling, anyway. But it's good to keep the balance.
< 1226964559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I agree it is a good way to keep the balance
< 1226964565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1226964569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it in a couple of places
< 1226964585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just I have this strange attitude where I like sharing source between executables, but not headers
< 1226964586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, clc-cset.h could be created
< 1226964596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's completely backwards of course
< 1226964604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creating a header file is the sane solution
< 1226964619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226964625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you wouldn't do it then
< 1226964627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe I should make a polyglot header file/source, it would simplify maintenance
< 1226964633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put #defines so you can #define HEADER
< 1226964638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then include all the source files
< 1226964641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226964645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it just includes the prototypes
< 1226964650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory, this makes maintenance a lot easier
< 1226964661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you can use gcc -combine to debug such defines
< 1226964670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1226964672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're acting like this is actually a good idea...
< 1226964672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :externs
< 1226964685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you can check that externs match using gcc -combine
< 1226964692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc -combine would fail on C-INTERCAL
< 1226964696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh?
< 1226964700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how comes
< 1226964700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly because it fits together multiple ways
< 1226964705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, since AnMaster said "even though I wasn't" the universe is still out of balance
< 1226964708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are various subsets of the files involved that works
< 1226964709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, let's try this:
< 1226964714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that work
< 1226964716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsd3 is the best license for codeular works. discuss.
< 1226964719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get a different program each way
< 1226964730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "<AnMaster> ehird, I agree it is a good way to keep the balance" <-- tell ehird that
< 1226964741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/said/heard/
< 1226964746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (<AnMaster> ais523, "<AnMaster> ehird, I agree it is a good way to keep the balance" <-- tell ehird that)S
< 1226964746 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<AnMaster> ais523, "<AnMaster> ehird, I agree it is a good way to keep the balance" <-- tell ehird that
< 1226964761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, like AnMaster would know anything bout sum universal balance
< 1226964803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (ehird, it may not always be the best with BSD, but it is often very good iirc. I don't remember the details about which one BSD 3-clause is exactly.)S
< 1226964803 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it may not always be the best with BSD, but it is often very good iirc. I don't remember the details about which one BSD 3-clause is exactly.
< 1226964819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit. you're meant to argue about how gpl3 is way better.
< 1226964825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop putting the universe out of balance, you dick.
< 1226964851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: stop it, trying to read one and a half conversations at once is really confusing
< 1226964856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226964879 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abandon the universe, abandon the universe, it's gonna tilt out of balance and fall off (but where?).
< 1226964889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (ehird you are right, I should stop agreeing with you, but it is hard when you are being right for once :P)S
< 1226964890 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird you are right, I should stop agreeing with you, but it is hard when you are being right for once :P
< 1226964896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh
< 1226964903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (YOU SUCK DICK)S
< 1226964904 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SUCK DICK
< 1226964912 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Language!
< 1226964912 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if i go to community college, i do
< 1226964913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Universal balance restored.
< 1226964917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1226964920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he thinks you mean studying language
< 1226964920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1226964924 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That's no excuse.
< 1226964925 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nah. i'm not sure.
< 1226964928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ic
< 1226964929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (Factually incorrect actually. But I know someone who does if you are interested.)S
< 1226964929 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ic (INTERCAL manual)
< 1226964929 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factually incorrect actually. But I know someone who does if you are interested.
< 1226964940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot!
< 1226964941 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this error means that the libraries themselves are pattern templates specifying what operands these operators is to write a library suitable for use with ascii-7, and so are not always right to left, or at least, that is expressions which have a 16-bit result; c-intercal relaxes this rule slightly and only if your input is being created. typical syntax for a bug ( either the line label is encountered ( in a multithreade
< 1226964943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (psygnisfive?)S
< 1226964949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey fuck you fungot
< 1226964949 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: otherwise, the funge program or a mixture of the statement is self-abstaining or self-reinstating ( this is a name clash between any two functions, the code at all.
< 1226964950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talk to me
< 1226964953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (psygnisfive?)S
< 1226964953 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive?
< 1226964954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (ehird^)S
< 1226964954 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird^
< 1226964959 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah?
< 1226964968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: nuttin'
< 1226964977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm anyway
< 1226964995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, where were we?
< 1226965016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debating the merits of gcc --combine
< 1226965025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right. so combine wouldn't work even when just building one part of it?
< 1226965025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whether C-INTERCAL was sufficiently crazy to defeat it
< 1226965027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as ick
< 1226965029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or oil
< 1226965036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226965036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have to recompile all the object files multiple times I think
< 1226965040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would work for oil but that's only one file
< 1226965041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true
< 1226965049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, -fwhole-program ;)
< 1226965051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that wouldn't fit in the makefile
< 1226965069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention, you're forgetting the code ick's output generates
< 1226965075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at runtime
< 1226965075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well no -combine doesn't work at all with any make system I forgot
< 1226965081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fogot/know/
< 1226965082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1226965096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't read and write at the same time at 00:38
< 1226965120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO :1 <- #38 DO PIN :1
< 1226965126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, will you be here tomorrow?
< 1226965132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think so
< 1226965137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for me to leave as well I reckon
< 1226965140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok what was that DO PIN?
< 1226965144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: PIC-INTERCAL
< 1226965153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a command to read and write at the same time
< 1226965154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how was it related to anything above?
< 1226965157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1226965163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is crazy
< 1226965173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how can you read and write a pin at the same time?
< 1226965181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it affects 16 pins at once
< 1226965190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of which are read and some of which are written
< 1226965194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1226965196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually, changing to input mode is a sort of writing
< 1226965206 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226965207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can detect externally that an output is in input mode
< 1226965278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1226965280 0 :CakeProphet!n=bread@h79.6.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226965390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is /*@partial@*/ ?
< 1226965412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it means it's both an input and an output
< 1226965419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the struct there has various fields
< 1226965426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of which hold useful values when it's called
< 1226965435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and others of which gain useful values when it returns
< 1226965450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a char* is a struct?
< 1226965452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says
< 1226965459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/*@partial@*/ char* out
< 1226965479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case it means something slightly different
< 1226965482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have to figure out what
< 1226965487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick_clc_cset_convert again
< 1226965501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1226965504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also where are these documented?
< 1226965511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the Splint manual
< 1226965517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't try to understand it while tired or drunk
< 1226965541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not drunk
< 1226965546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a teetotaller
< 1226965566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never ever drunk any alcohol in my life
< 1226965578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do I ever want to drink a drug
< 1226965582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what it is
< 1226965583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have drunk alcohol in my life, but not for the past 3 years or so
< 1226965603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or coffee, another drug
< 1226965605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go home anyway, bye everyone
< 1226965611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cya
< 1226965615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night too
< 1226967528 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+"
< 1226967773 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226968116 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1226968190 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I think I managed to make functions in JumpFuck. http://pastie.org/317387
< 1226968214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats!
< 1226968234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that looks really neat
< 1226968235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1226968264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it'd actuallly be very easy to convert that to normal BF; you're doing most of the continuationy stuff yourself
< 1226968344 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1226968360 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi!
< 1226968365 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who speaks swedish!
< 1226968368 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you say "lyrics"
< 1226968443 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226968472 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either lyrics, or "sångtext(er)"...
< 1226968497 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226968812 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like it sounds like "song text"
< 1226968947 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough
< 1226969058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a very nice picture of a lighthouse.
< 1226969059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wants it?
< 1226969277 0 :metazilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"- nbs-irc 2.37 - www.nbs-irc.net -"
< 1226969292 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Your MOM.
< 1226969306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. My mother would not enjoy a picture of a lighthouse.
< 1226969369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Would you?
< 1226969477 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzzzzzzzzz
< 1226972178 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226972905 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226975360 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..."
< 1226980842 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226981072 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-10-160.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226981874 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1226986038 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://home.codu.org/5ctj/
< 1226986108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Catholic bishop - shouldn't be too hard
< 1226986120 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfff
< 1226986124 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucky random :P
< 1226986158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 clicks
< 1226986166 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfff
< 1226986167 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucky random :P
< 1226986169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i forgot to check if there was a 1 click
< 1226986311 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"St. Ignatius Mission"?
< 1226986317 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even trying :D
< 1226986365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 clicks there too
< 1226986409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops this one looks harder
< 1226986558 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, broke it :P
< 1226986559 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a sec
< 1226986586 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed :P
< 1226986594 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must i restart?
< 1226986643 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I just broke it again X-P
< 1226986655 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I'm trying to add logic so it won't allow you to fake links.
< 1226986686 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed again :P
< 1226986706 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts modifying it in a new file :P
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< 1226986848 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I'm going to replace it and you will have to restart if you're in the middle of a game.
< 1226986864 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for complaints
< 1226986908 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*doink*
< 1226986917 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: http://home.codu.org/5ctj/
< 1226986928 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatsit
< 1226986943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the?
< 1226986949 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1226986961 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Five clicks to Jesus. Find Jesus ... in five clicks or less :P
< 1226986973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i had just found "Christianity" :(
< 1226986974 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont get it
< 1226986984 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sowwy :(
< 1226986996 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: It gives you a random Wikipedia page, and you try to get to Jesus in five clicks or less.
< 1226987016 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see
< 1226987114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it fixed when i went back in history
< 1226987128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just made it in 5
< 1226987150 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far I haven't found a single page that I can't make it in five, so it may be worthwhile to reduce the limit to four, maybe even three.
< 1226987163 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Five is just the way I'd heard the game formalized)
< 1226987447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3
< 1226987474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek a porn star
< 1226987477 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1226987479 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll be tough :P
< 1226987515 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I need to make a database so it can compare your result to others.
< 1226987515 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily, let me jump straight USA
< 1226987516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to
< 1226987624 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from there to Roman Catholicism which i've used before
< 1226987643 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then: JESUS!
< 1226987644 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops a trap
< 1226987650 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1226987662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was not the global one, but Roman Catholicism in the United States
< 1226987670 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wah wah waaaaah
< 1226987675 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure to hover over the links ;)
< 1226987754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well still just 4
< 1226987773 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"So, how much do you love noodles?"
< 1226987779 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat"
< 1226987808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a swedish lake
< 1226987859 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything that lets you get to a country is a free three-clicker.
< 1226987874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1226987877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 508361 bytes) in /home/gregor/5ctj/index.php on line 98
< 1226987885 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Country -> Christianity -> Jesus
< 1226987889 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaaa? D-8
< 1226987910 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's weird
< 1226987920 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it happen consistently?
< 1226987941 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me go back in history
< 1226987950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops it restarted
< 1226987951 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Refreshing is safe.
< 1226987957 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't go that far back X-P
< 1226987964 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It keeps your session on the server to dissuade cheating :P
< 1226987980 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's worked before, but then i may have gone to the bottom link
< 1226987999 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, shouldn't work at all >_>
< 1226988027 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E_DOESNTWORKFORME :P
< 1226988037 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let me try that country method again
< 1226988106 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liar!  Croatia doesn't contain Christianity
< 1226988123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although surely it's roman catholic, hm
< 1226988154 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, MOST countries work that way X-P
< 1226988229 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the article has no religion section :D
< 1226988234 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think the page "Church of England" would mention Jesus somewhere.
< 1226988349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i'll go on to hungary
< 1226988379 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, sleepitime for me.
< 1226988384 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoy my stupid game X-P
< 1226988441 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nice country with a link to Christianity
< 1226988474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made it in 4
< 1226988948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 516520 bytes) in /home/gregor/5ctj/index.php on line 103
< 1226989004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed on reload
< 1226989125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently London works as a country :)
< 1226992980 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226993084 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Congratulations! You found Jesus in 3 clicks!"
< 1226993087 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to be contrary, I went France -> Judaism -> Jesus instead of Christianity in the middle.
< 1226993434 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going through Main Page feels a bit cheatery.
< 1226993517 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As does using http://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~mu/wiki/, obviously, even though it gives interesting routes. "Kyle & Jackie O -> Musical ensemble -> The Beatles -> Jesus" instead of going through a country.
< 1226993651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1226993772 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226993995 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations! You found Jesus in 3 clicks!
< 1226994087 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh joy!
< 1226994111 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::---------)
< 1226994125 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the long face?
< 1226994156 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my happy! :o
< 1226994222 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, why all the happy!?
< 1226994277 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the real problem with utu is not the course descriptions, but the fact exams simply never get graded; i had an exam 13.10., sent an e-mail to the lecturer too, no answer
< 1226994287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well all the jesus!
< 1226994375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the worst i've had sofar, but that's probably only because that was the first exam i took :P
< 1226994399 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Officially we have a rule that all our exams get graded within a month of submitting; usually that means it always takes almost exactly a month to get results. Sometimes it's longer, though.
< 1226994406 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1226994412 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our official rule is two weeks.
< 1226994430 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well guess it's not that bad then.
< 1226994434 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fucking annoying though.
< 1226994451 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I've gotten results the same day the exam was; there's a large variance.
< 1226994459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1226994461 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Congratulations! You found Jesus in 2 clicks!" That was fast!
< 1226994470 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :route?
< 1226994481 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :323 BC -> Alexander the Great -> Jesus.
< 1226994490 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a good starting point that time.
< 1226994509 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suck at that game
< 1226994514 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know, if you read to the end of the book of mormon, you will see god?
< 1226994570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: now if only the religious people told stuff we could actually check
< 1226994577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be easier to tell who's right
< 1226994591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but noooo, you'd have to read something
< 1226994665 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"95% of the test subjects reported experiencing auditory and visual hallucinations after completion of the text"
< 1226994718 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh
< 1226994726 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to get to jesus from random wiki articles?
< 1226994794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah GregorR's game
< 1226994814 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well rather well-known game he implemented i think
< 1226994823 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implemented?
< 1226994860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i can't link it
< 1226994866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because my backlog is only a page long.
< 1226994873 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handy.
< 1226994885 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh don't you just LOVE terminals?
< 1226994888 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://home.codu.org/5ctj/
< 1226994898 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, ta
< 1226995003 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a terminal, it's mirc.
< 1226995034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just decided, one day, that the backlog needs to be short because i wasn't using the handy "logviewer" functionality enough.
< 1226995050 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh, I'm failin' at this
< 1226995056 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god that's retarded, wish it was physical so i could punch it.
< 1226995073 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ePunch it
< 1226995151 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thai_Braille -> Thai_Language (THE ONLY LINK ON THE BRAILLE PAGE :/) -> English Language -> Republic of Ireland -> Roman Catholic -> Jesus
< 1226995172 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expected/hoped for a jesus link on both the eng lang page AND the rep ire page, oh wells.
< 1226995183 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus hates thai
< 1226995189 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly.
< 1226995199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1226995200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1226995246 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH YEAH, 3 links.
< 1226995265 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :List of Child Prodigies -> Akiane_Kramarik -> Christian_God -> Jesus
< 1226995309 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thai Language->Buddhism->Christianity->Jesus
< 1226995319 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I considered that
< 1226995338 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, of course buddhism is more likely than english language
< 1226995350 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you expect jesus on the english language page
< 1226995366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Because Jesus invented the English language!
< 1226995376 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right as per KJV
< 1226995428 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; it's clearly in English, and clearly also exactly what he said.
< 1226995453 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting: History of English Language, something about, I dunno, how it relates to christianity in some way. I guess it's not likely to have Jesus in it :-P
< 1226995463 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it doesn't relate :-P
< 1226995471 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But wikipedia pages have _a lot_ of shiz on them
< 1226995506 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured English Language was bound to have a link to christianity some where, if it didn't have jesus
< 1226995522 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway
< 1226995540 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't help that I'm not used to playing lowest number of links
< 1226995604 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in March 2008, you could've gone "English Language -> Beowulf -> Jesus", but that link doesn't seem to be there anymore.
< 1226995606 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to play the wikipedia game at school (find a random destination article (not allowed to be a stub) and both start from the same article and first to get to the other article without using catagories wins)
< 1226995682 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing it by time makes it more frantic :-D
< 1226999121 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1226999364 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"So, how much do you love noodles?"
< 1226999465 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227000003 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227000963 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227001618 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227001808 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-10-160.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227002062 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1227002068 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227005344 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227005352 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227005957 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1227005997 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-065-075.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227006022 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227008520 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (test)S (test)S
< 1227008520 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1227008534 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (test)Sx(test)S
< 1227008534 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1227008544 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-10-160.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227008548 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, breaks on invalid input
< 1227008679 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227008824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (test)Sx(test)S
< 1227008825 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test ...bad insn!
< 1227008902 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually thutubot's error messages are better than fungot's, though; it even says which instruction stack-underflowed. (Though I could add that one too.)
< 1227008903 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: appendix a character to the debugger needs to have the same identifiers as the two characters have the extension `.i', `:1601' ( note that it can be set up for your operating system you're using it, it had some obvious deficiences ( such as the above example shows, the first line of code might never be executed with e633, so the next character. there isn't a thread; attempting to `go back' as input ( if an expression as
< 1227008911 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style wp
< 1227008911 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages)
< 1227008921 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That intercal manual style is so verbose.
< 1227009032 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-10-160.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227009321 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Redivider/Underload_Interpreter :)
< 1227009440 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, got to run
< 1227009861 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227010386 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1227011451 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-10-160.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227011833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized there are probably people for whom the primary meaning of the word "string" is "a piece of cord" instead of "a sequence of characters". That's strange.
< 1227011897 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-47-134.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227012107 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that the original meanin
< 1227012128 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1227012173 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but, you know, strings. Strings are made out of characters.
< 1227012186 0 :ais523_!i=93bc93e6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f2e1c9288cdf657b JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227012192 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1227012198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1227012201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see new /msg
< 1227012214 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't this time, I'm on Mibbit, although I'll see it when I'm back on my laptop
< 1227012227 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-10-160.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227012546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sec
< 1227012713 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
< 1227013814 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227014472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_
< 1227014506 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird
< 1227014510 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... that must have been manual
< 1227014520 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you've improved your script somewhat
< 1227014679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: nah
< 1227014681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bouncer, remember?
< 1227014683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it played back the hi
< 1227014684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1227014686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :played back the join
< 1227014694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my script responded t o it...
< 1227014707 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1227014729 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it respond multiple times if I cyclespammed from mibbit while you weren't online?
< 1227014741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1227015195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: do you want a nice picture of a lighthouse that I scaled and cropped?
< 1227015201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR didn't.
< 1227015204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor did SimonRC.
< 1227015212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm beginning to think that cropped-resized lighthouses are just a thing of the past.
< 1227015238 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this happen to be a gummy lighthouse? :P
< 1227015278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. The lighthouse in question is neither phallic nor gelatin-based.
< 1227015310 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not phallic then it's not a lighthouse.
< 1227015322 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1227015336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an unphallic lighthouse.
< 1227015338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you imagine?
< 1227015347 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot.
< 1227015365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like to see this non-phallic lighthouse?
< 1227015485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Welp, here you go. http://xs133.xs.to/xs133/08472/lighthouse157.png
< 1227015498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523 .
< 1227015504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I posted the lighthouse two messages up.
< 1227015515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is scaled and cropped from http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Crown_Point_Light_House.jpg.
< 1227015521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, from http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Crown_Point_Light_House.jpg.
< 1227015521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird
< 1227015538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why are you posting pictures of lighthouses?
< 1227015552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only various versions of one lighthouse.
< 1227015564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xs133.xs.to/xs133/08472/lighthouse157.png is the main one up for grabs, post-processing.
< 1227015863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you have enjoyed it.
< 1227015874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm using w3m as my primary browser atm
< 1227015881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w3m can display images here.
< 1227015884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm meaning over a very short period of time
< 1227015894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been messing around with powertop, you see
< 1227015903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you should use it from the console, like real men.
< 1227016611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm hi
< 1227016680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 11 patches
< 1227016750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://kuonet.org/~anmaster/c-intercal/
< 1227017130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs fish
< 1227017650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :60-70% CPU usage process of tcl installign texlive. Wonderful.
< 1227018488 0 :Asztal!n=chatzill@152.105.21.161 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227018888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://github.com/rails/rails/commit/22af62cf486721ee2e45bb720c42ac2f4121faf4 wat
< 1227019032 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, common lisp also has the functions "first", "second", "third", "fourth", ..., "tenth" for getting elements of a list.
< 1227019056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227019181 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme doesn't, although car, cadr, caddr and cadddr work as first .. fourth.
< 1227021878 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-18.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227021950 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That lighthouse is undeniably phallic.
< 1227021968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see phalluses in too many things, GregorR.
< 1227022005 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rule is that if it's at least double as long as it is wide, and is either round or has more than five sides, it's phallic.
< 1227022023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha.
< 1227022107 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, some friends of mine have determined that all things are one of phallic, mammary or concave.
< 1227022123 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only a matter of determining which :P
< 1227022331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to figure out how to keep a website and its apache config file in a single git repo nicely while still not exposing the config file via the site
< 1227022794 0 :pinkillo!n=pinkillo@men75-1-81-57-40-7.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227022847 0 :pinkillo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1227023191 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227025234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggestions welcome :-P
< 1227025297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1227025391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb me
< 1227025436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fish(1) is nice.
< 1227025498 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys.
< 1227025523 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you simulate logic gates with missiles/anti-missiles missiles/ and so on?
< 1227025606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes ANSI->HTML
< 1227026656 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-4-45.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227026804 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1227026862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1227026898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, the first part of gcc-bf's new build system seems to be working
< 1227027514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, added even more patches
< 1227027534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see /msg too ais523
< 1227029177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get used to seeing even more of me from now on. i'm never going out again
< 1227029195 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whyzzat?
< 1227029214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wind
< 1227029217 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hurts my brain
< 1227029225 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes; it is quite windy here too.
< 1227029249 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :walked the way from band training backwards, i just couldn't ride my bike or walk normally.
< 1227029255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurt so goddamn much
< 1227029270 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my head is a bit sensitive
< 1227029277 0 :pinkillo!n=pinkillo@men75-1-81-57-40-7.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227029284 0 :pinkillo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227029305 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, again a real storm (>21 m/s) on the sea nearby, and 19 m/s right around here. Not bad.
< 1227029525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch.
< 1227029753 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]"
< 1227030158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I didn't know you lived near the sea
< 1227030218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, see /msg again
< 1227030299 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helsinki (and Espoo too) is on the coast of the Gulf of Finland. Although my actual apartment is some 5 km from the sea, I guess.
< 1227030307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, my department now has a second Door I think
< 1227030323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original one still exists, and even has been working recently
< 1227030326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the new one is fun
< 1227030329 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or 2 km if you could that one bay, but...)
< 1227030330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got into an infinite loop the other day
< 1227030332 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm less than 5 km away from the sea
< 1227030335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i never see it
< 1227030338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ended up opening and closing alternately for several hours
< 1227030342 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/could/count/
< 1227030344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until security came and forcibly locked it
< 1227030377 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think the door is TC?
< 1227030402 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227030404 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could get a brainfuck interp running by opening and closing it in the right pattern.
< 1227030410 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it has one bit of storage
< 1227030523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't believe my department's Doors are TC yet, but suspect it's only a matter of time
< 1227030625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1227030634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i should take MizardX off ignore
< 1227030639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1227030649 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that done i wonder :P
< 1227030683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why did you ignore him?
< 1227030689 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: felt like it
< 1227030699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he made recursive functions in jumpfuck
< 1227030699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is neato
< 1227030709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i didn't tell python that, just the nicks.
< 1227030734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you usually unignore in clients?
< 1227030785 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he got them recursive huh? last i heard that was something they *didn't* support yet
< 1227030877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: /unignore is the usual command
< 1227030878 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just need to keep track of the recursion level, and set the continuation-id accordingly. Each function gets the continuation-id as argument, so just use that plus one.
< 1227030921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems you have to give it the "-r" flag
< 1227030934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from "remove", presumably
< 1227030984 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/unignore i naturally tried, but it doesn't exist
< 1227030994 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227030995 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1227031000 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another episode?
< 1227031000 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227031001 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1227031002 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1227031008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol:
< 1227031009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i read a bit?
< 1227031010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it changed its mind
< 1227031011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227031011 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1227031012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227031012 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227031018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, my ^bool
< 1227031018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was for the episode
< 1227031018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227031018 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1227031021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227031022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot:
< 1227031022 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: to be neutral so i accept differing view points. i want to defend measurements. there is no
< 1227031024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make up your mind
< 1227031025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227031025 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1227031029 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it have changed its mind about the reading?
< 1227031035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you sure?
< 1227031035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227031036 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: b. greed and fnord produce the bonds i.e fnord between the karma and our fnord causeway. the scene uses hare coursing as a metaphor and may be fnord to other military units ( normal infantry, rangers, ect.) during the current writers guild strike, but the link kept being removed. small—preceding wikipedia:signaturesunsigned comment added by fnord ( user fnord)
< 1227031036 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227031038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, that's what i wanna do.
< 1227031038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1227031040 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neato
< 1227031047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so read
< 1227031087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i ignore someone else now?
< 1227031088 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227031088 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1227031094 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1227031095 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1227031199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wowzers
< 1227031200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:
< 1227031202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie:
< 1227031205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Redivider/Underload_Interpreter
< 1227031210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed that
< 1227031215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty impressive
< 1227031219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also warrie isn't here atm
< 1227031222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :redivider looks lovely
< 1227031236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'ma write a compiler
< 1227031238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^
< 1227031252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that looks buggy
< 1227031260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT ~ isn't fully implemented
< 1227031269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: ^
< 1227031274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227031280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: e wasn't told about ^
< 1227031285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday he listed the commands he thought
< 1227031287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and omitt
< 1227031288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait
< 1227031291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| { /[\^]/;
< 1227031291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    fst: head[stack];
< 1227031291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    rest: tail[stack];
< 1227031292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    run(rest)[fst + /.*/] }
< 1227031299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I was referring to ~ not working
< 1227031304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1227031305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and used ^ to nickping the previous line
< 1227031306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster-pings
< 1227031306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewwwwwwww
< 1227031338 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doh
< 1227031344 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixing it now
< 1227031368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow derivider is pretty
< 1227031373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227031377 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227031378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i helped make its syntax!
< 1227031378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever, too
< 1227031385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally it had a lot of pointless empty ()s and []s
< 1227031386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff
< 1227031395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told ihope to remove them and voila, redivider is pretty.
< 1227031399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeah i was there.
< 1227031411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227031411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227031418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just gotsa brag
< 1227031433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227031476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, redivider is a palindrome. i wonder how many times i've realized that...
< 1227031514 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has regexes?
< 1227031774 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regexes as a sub-language. It is the only way match input/substrings.
< 1227031831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1227031887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay *this* is pretty http://esolangs.org/wiki/Redivider/Brainfuck_Interpreter
< 1227031992 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The underload interpreter was much easier to write. It doesn't require implementing any new arithmetic operation.
< 1227032481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[\X, where X is an ASCII character mnemonic (NUL through US and DEL)]]
< 1227032482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you redivider
< 1227032485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:|
< 1227032499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, that's clever
< 1227032617 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227033243 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geh, bug in my interpreter then. It uses \n \r etc.
< 1227033364 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I still allow the short, well-established form? (\n and \NL)
< 1227033424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION got his parser parsing strings
< 1227033424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woop
< 1227033432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will compile to python
< 1227033432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227033447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX:
< 1227033447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<stringguts> consists of ASCII characters other than " and \ as well as escape codes. Escape codes must include \\, representing \; \", representing "; \n, representing the newline character; \0nnn where n is an octal digit, representing the character with code nnn; \0xnn where n is a hexadecimal digit, representing the character with code nn; and \X, where X is an ASCII character mnemonic (NUL through US and DEL). The set of escape codes must be prefix-free a
< 1227033448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite complex.
< 1227033495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTf...
< 1227033499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a valid redivider program:
< 1227033502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) ; +
< 1227033507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1227033507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program consists of <token>s separated by whitespace
< 1227033509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<token> ::= <word> | "(" | "," | ")" | ":" | "|" | "+" | "{" | ";" | "}" | "."
< 1227033509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :          | <string> | <regex> | "#" anything newline
< 1227033514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1227033516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it mean anything?
< 1227033521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUG BUG BUG BUG ALL ONBOARD THE BUG TRAIN
< 1227033526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPEC GOT A BUGGY BUG WOOOOOOOOOOO!
< 1227033538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227033542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense if you interpret it like an idiot
< 1227033543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1227033546 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, \n is given. How about \r, \f, \t etc?
< 1227033567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: sure
< 1227033570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's undefined so you can
< 1227033622 0 :kt3k!n=stibium_@FL1-122-130-193-58.kyt.mesh.ad.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227033656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1227033661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing actually _uses_ <token>
< 1227033678 0 :kt3k!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1227033789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UGH!
< 1227033796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost impossible to parse the regexes
< 1227033802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you have to parse all regex escapes too
< 1227033817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: reminds me of Perl
< 1227033837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: how do you do it?
< 1227033844 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regex :)
< 1227033852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't parse regexes with regex.
< 1227033857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX:
< 1227033863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/[abc/def]/
< 1227033886 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/(?:\\.|[^\\])*/
< 1227033894 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/(?:\\.|[^\\/])*/
< 1227033897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does not match /[abc/def/] properly.
< 1227033938 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you need to escape the /
< 1227033973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, perl disagrees with me.
< 1227033996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you need to escape / in [] in Perl m// I think
< 1227034007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it finds the end of the regex first
< 1227034010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then parses its insides
< 1227034085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably do like MizardX's interp and lex it all first.
< 1227034142 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227034330 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"HAMMER POWER"
< 1227034909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?:(/(?:(?:\\.|[^/])*)/|#[^\n]+|{|\)|}|;|([a-zA-Z]+)|\||,|\+|\(|:|\.|"(?:(?:\\.|[^"])*)")\s*)
< 1227034914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: think that'll parse redivider? :D
< 1227034923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227034924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs ordering ofc
< 1227034926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever
< 1227034939 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making redevider in redevider?
< 1227034944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1227034947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making lexing easy
< 1227034976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227034988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better one:
< 1227034990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?:(([a-zA-Z]+)|[(,):|+{;}.]|"(?:(?:\\.|[^"])*)"|/(?:(?:\\.|[^/])*)/|#[^\n]+)\s*)
< 1227035065 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<word> ::= {letter or digit}
< 1227035075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{...} = many
< 1227035102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([a-zA-Z]+|[(,):|+{;}.]|"(?:(?:\\.|[^"])*)"|/(?:(?:\\.|[^/])*)/|#[^\n]+)
< 1227035105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :final version, probably
< 1227035107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it works
< 1227035164 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a-zA-Z0-9]+
< 1227035169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1227035171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1227035171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1227035194 0 :nooga!n=nooga@ent146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227035203 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello :>
< 1227035209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo
< 1227035213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227035251 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[^\W_]+ :)
< 1227035263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: I see no _
< 1227035269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that's \w
< 1227035305 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\w = [^\W] = [A-Za-z0-9_]; [^\W_] = [A-Za-z0-9]
< 1227035311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right
< 1227035318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very clever & evil
< 1227035388 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227035656 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[:alnum:]] is also very obvious, though a couple of letters longer.
< 1227035685 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's possible to generate a tiny bit of x86 machine code, place it in the char array and then call it as a C function, all in runtime ofc
< 1227035694 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid queston, it is possible
< 1227035702 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1227035702 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i never tried ;|
< 1227035705 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that in jitfunge.
< 1227035716 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although it's a mmap()'d block with PROT_EXEC privileges.)
< 1227035725 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1227035729 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A general malloc()d block might not be suitable for executing code.)
< 1227035741 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1227035751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it might be placed somewhere marked nonexecutable
< 1227035760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an anti-buffer-overflow message
< 1227035815 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i read some sources with such neat trickz? :>
< 1227035841 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a very preliminary tarball of jitfunge in the web, but that's really not a pleasant thing to read.
< 1227035842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: doesn't jitfunge do something like that?
< 1227035846 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes.
< 1227035896 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :giev
< 1227035906 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :giev sauce! xD
< 1227035930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: perhaps a quicker response could be gained by using english
< 1227035934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just sayin'
< 1227035943 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/jitfunge-export.tar.gz if I recall the URL correctly.
< 1227035958 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That version is somewhat buggy, though.
< 1227035978 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is not to imply that I'd actually *have* a bug-free version; I don't.)
< 1227036013 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yea, currently i'm fascinated by speech used by 4chan retards
< 1227036023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gathered
< 1227036084 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i just need the runtime execution schema
< 1227036106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: so you want fizzie to do all the work for you
< 1227036108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmon :D
< 1227036114 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's easy.
< 1227036142 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmap(..., PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC, ...); -- then just write there, cast it to a function pointer and call it.
< 1227036150 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227036194 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's there in the "AsmFunction" class if you want to look at how jitfunge does it.
< 1227036208 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too tricky, anyway.
< 1227036263 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ i must generate all that stuff that gcc does in functions to seamlessly imitate a 'real' function
< 1227036301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure, you need to know your platform's and compiler's calling conventions.
< 1227036312 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rrright
< 1227036331 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that SConstruct file?
< 1227036349 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a scons build file.
< 1227036367 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And SCons is a make-replacement.)
< 1227036393 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you declare a function-pointer as __stdcall, __cdecl or __fastcall ?
< 1227036441 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you could; at least it sounds useful.
< 1227036476 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1227036487 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assembler class looks nice :>~~~
< 1227036514 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a x86 code generation tool. Very idiosyncratic, too; probably not too friendly to use.
< 1227036596 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The put_call methods do only calls to the specific types of function pointers I use, and sp_load/sp_store are about moving the Befunge stack pointer I keep in the ESI register... it's not really very generic. And it only contains those x86 opcodes I've happened to use.
< 1227036657 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea
< 1227036661 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see that
< 1227036682 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i will need to write something more or less similar
< 1227036707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's cute?
< 1227036709 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM might be worth thinking about for code generation, too.
< 1227036743 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did all that stuff from scratch just for fun.
< 1227036744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watching python try out all self-avoiding paths.
< 1227036771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, eh?
< 1227036797 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all paths on NWSE where the path doesn't intersect itself.
< 1227036798 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, didn't knew that LLVM exists
< 1227036800 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx
< 1227037063 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit unfortunate the little guy will never grow up to be much more than 15 :<
< 1227037079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1227037099 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my self-avoiding path wormy, it'll never grow up to be even 15 cells long
< 1227037100 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he?
< 1227037108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227037109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that'd take ages :|
< 1227037114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed it up
< 1227037118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 1000x
< 1227037126 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made it skip every 200th iteration
< 1227037139 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that didn't look nearly as cute
< 1227037148 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it starts to get stuck then.
< 1227037160 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are, occasionally, big gaps between two self-avoiding paths
< 1227037429 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hacker.org/hvm/ seen this?
< 1227037442 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit lame i'd say
< 1227037468 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have developed a compiler targeting that
< 1227037480 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though loops are a bit tricky
< 1227037515 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah looks like it
< 1227037676 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jump instructions must jump over corelated jump instruction + literals of variable length = tricky part
< 1227037713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but isn't it enough to push the amount of jumps just before the jump instructions
< 1227037740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't sound too hard if you're making a compiler, might be annoying manually, if you were programming directly in the lang
< 1227037781 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"amount of jumps"
< 1227037782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227037787 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant the length of the jump
< 1227037798 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's obviously not trying to be an especially hard-to-program language, it really could have a "push literal" instruction instead of just 0-9.
< 1227037827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably designed to be a trivial to implement langauge.
< 1227037830 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ölanguage
< 1227037833 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1227037835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*language
< 1227037856 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyyy
< 1227037962 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling while is like: <beginning><adress of end><!condition test><jump?> <blah blah> <adress of beginning><jump> <end>
< 1227037966 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now
< 1227038012 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adress of end must include length of adress of beggining and vice versa
< 1227038042 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that's not too hard, you can just pad the computation to be the same length everywhere.
< 1227038045 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh...
< 1227038049 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still trivial if you're not a perfectionist and can stand a couple of nops here and there when your literals happen to be unexpectedly short.
< 1227038054 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i've done
< 1227038054 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227038057 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using nops
< 1227038061 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaces
< 1227038201 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you use something clever to find the shortest way of pushing a particular literal, or just something boring like base-9 numbers with x+9*y+9*z+...?
< 1227038216 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1227038225 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can call it clever
< 1227038240 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me refresh my memory and explain
< 1227038267 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm partially away, so I may not respond with the appropriate "um"s and "oh"s. Hopefully someone else is willing to do that part.)
< 1227038388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> parse(lex('abc(a,b)'))
< 1227038388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[('decl', 'abc', ['a', 'b'])]
< 1227038389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gettin' there
< 1227038418 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227038434 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227038447 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an uuuuuuuuuuugly ruby function :D
< 1227038452 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/GlTDVw34.html
< 1227038488 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby multiplies strings
< 1227038635 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but works
< 1227038637 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):025:0> literal(43629)
< 1227038638 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> "99996*5+*7+*5+*6+"
< 1227038709 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like a base-9 number to me, really.
< 1227038740 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1227038775 0 :Asztal!n=chatzill@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227038778 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6*9^4+5*9^3+7*9^2+5*9+6
< 1227038784 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else is it than a base-9 number?
< 1227038816 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that cannot beeee.... noooooooo :C
< 1227038840 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seems to be shorter than normal base 9 notation
< 1227038875 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"992+*1+"
< 1227038890 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(9+2)*9+1
< 1227038927 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is 100
< 1227038949 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could still write it as "69*5+9*7+9*5+9*6+", which is the base-9 notation (in a stack-based language) that I first thought of.
< 1227038959 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1*9^2+2*9+1
< 1227039009 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously no-one would write it as 69999****5999***+799**+59*+6+.
< 1227039066 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :99*29*1++ vs 992+*1+
< 1227039145 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just base 9 in written in a bit more intelligent form
< 1227039157 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1227039360 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I was just hoping for something that'd give "88*0^*" instead of "9995*5+*5+*1+" to push 4096. Not that I'd probably have bothered either.
< 1227039433 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1227039493 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227039513 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be so hard
< 1227039674 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorize, build a tree, find identical nodes or try to optimize and generate the code
< 1227039676 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it should. It's pretty close to the Kolmogorov complexity.
< 1227039693 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess it shouldn't be hard to get *something* that might work.
< 1227039703 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that sort of thing won't use loops at all.
< 1227039742 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cig break, need to think about my lameness
< 1227039854 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say you want to push A(4,4) or something; it's quite likely that the shortest way (or at least a good way) to do that is the recursive definition of A, but I wouldn't want to have to write some code that'd grok things like that.
< 1227039865 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, given the size of A(4,4) maybe you don't need to push it often.
< 1227039923 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's basically kolmogorov complexity.
< 1227039971 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That c/$ pair is a bit silly; why does it push the program counter and not the program counter +1?
< 1227039992 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@iruel.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227040049 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe it's because $ increments afterwards. Okay, then it makes sense.
< 1227040101 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1227040122 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sooo hackerish
< 1227040153 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I think it's a bit boring; it's like unefunge with SUBR.
< 1227040164 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no going backwards, either.
< 1227040180 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I guess it's not trying to be especially interesting, but still.
< 1227040182 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementation of && || and < > >= <= == was somewhat entertaining
< 1227040227 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the whole hvm thingy is just a platform for problems like floodfill etc
< 1227040237 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My implementation of Funge-98's ` (which is basically >) uses no conditional jumps. (Just a conditional set.)
< 1227040635 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1227040704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227040708 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227040744 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-134.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227040812 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to code something at least a bit hacky
< 1227040825 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my skills are getting worse and worse
< 1227040837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: write an INTERCAL to Malbolge compiler
< 1227040845 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1227041263 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227041757 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227041867 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd build a processor from transsistors or sth
< 1227042002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__main__.RedividerSyntaxError: Around line 1, column 11: Expected rparen, got string
< 1227042003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd.
< 1227042472 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Slereah> Could you simulate logic gates with missiles/anti-missiles missiles/ and so on?
< 1227042492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this feeling this would be a once-only simulation
< 1227042694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> and ended up opening and closing alternately for several hours
< 1227042709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: seriously
< 1227042716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an automatic Door
< 1227042730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when it closed it triggered the someone's trapped behind the door sensor
< 1227042737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it opened again for health and safery reasons
< 1227042738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your department sounds like it has a door curse, or a ghost.  try an exorcist :D
< 1227043579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The set of escape codes must be prefix-free and all other escape codes are undefined. <-- ahem, i see both \SO and \SOH in the python code
< 1227043598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan:
< 1227043606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nd \X, where X is an ASCII character mnemonic (NUL through US and DEL).
< 1227043609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITT: We read the specs
< 1227043616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, who wants to debug my parser
< 1227043637 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the spec is contradicting itself
< 1227043646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how
< 1227043672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the mnemonics are _not_ prefix free.  both SO and SOH are mnemonics (assuming MizardX has them right)
< 1227043751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, Shift Out and Start of Header
< 1227043845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227043849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, lol :D
< 1227043856 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: also you forgot DEL one way in http://paste.eso-std.org/v
< 1227043863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in mine, SOH wouldn't work
< 1227043865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be SO, then H
< 1227043875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you know what
< 1227043877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care
< 1227043877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227043916 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was the point of trying to require prefix freeness in the first place, i assume
< 1227043961 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: (in escapes_re)
< 1227044017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly \SOH should have the same effect as . . in HOMESPRING
< 1227044082 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is?
< 1227044093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it causes a temporal paradox
< 1227044103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason is that dot space is an escape for space
< 1227044108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :space dot is an escape for dot
< 1227044115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kaboom*
< 1227044150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dot space dot is ambiguous, and instead of addressing this problem the person who specced out HOMESPRING said that conforming implementations had to cause a temporal paradox if this happened, and as a result there are no conforming implementations
< 1227044173 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227044175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write it in twoducks
< 1227044228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very fishy
< 1227044248 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Added DEL, and switched SO/SOH. It'll get uploaded on next version
< 1227044308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: wanna debug my parser? :}
< 1227044377 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could look at it... but not right now.
< 1227044416 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the prefix free part of the spec will just have to be removed
< 1227044512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1227044515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove the stupid mnemonic thing
< 1227044556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes it parse greedily
< 1227044977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nooga> i wonder if it's possible to generate a tiny bit of x86 machine code, place it in the char array and then call it as a C function, all in runtime ofc
< 1227045056 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall reading that the ghc haskell compiler uses that for it's ffi interface, and that this gave trouble when trying to use it with a secure linux implementation
< 1227045119 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the security includes disallowing self-modifying code
< 1227045158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SELinux)
< 1227045218 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making stack and heap non-executable is quite common, but I would think at least some systems still allow executing code from memory area that's been explicitly requested for that purpose.
< 1227045268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, this was about security-enhanced linux
< 1227045301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THISMAKESNOSENSE
< 1227045304 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(About that in SELinux:) "If the program really needs this behavior there is no really easy way out. One possibility is to create an anonymous file (just unlink it after creation), size the file using ftrunctate, and then map the file in two places. In one place map it with MAP_SHARED and write permission but without execution. For the second mapping use execution permissions but no write permissions. This might be a bit confusing at first but can be handled."
< 1227045338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone fix my parser
< 1227045451 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parsing is a solved problem, as someone famous said.
< 1227045465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is your mom
< 1227045466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh burn
< 1227045545 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solving problems is a solved problem.
< 1227045568 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227046048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my parser works
< 1227046049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^.^
< 1227046446 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Give me a link. I'll look at it now.
< 1227046456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, sure
< 1227046460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll paste the relevant part
< 1227046481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: http://paste.eso-std.org/w
< 1227046487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some inspiration from yours :)
< 1227046518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a compiler
< 1227046520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1227046521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1227046523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it will be
< 1227046524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just the parser
< 1227046574 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :token.match(code[index:]) == token.match(code,index)
< 1227046583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oho
< 1227046588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was not aware that existed.
< 1227046688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: um, isn't del 127?
< 1227046689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 177
< 1227046689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in yours
< 1227046697 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :177 octal = 127 decimal
< 1227046707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: python \n is decimal
< 1227046708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1227046716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1227046716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not
< 1227046717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird.
< 1227046718 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227046763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, parser all done
< 1227046766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now for the compiler!!
< 1227046768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227046773 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't allow whitespace before the first token :P
< 1227046796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: that's why you .strip() the input string.
< 1227046804 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What were you compiling it to?
< 1227046808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could put that in parse :P
< 1227046813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: python first, then c if that goes well
< 1227046821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll c if it does
< 1227046822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-p
< 1227046837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pun alert!
< 1227047138 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU KNOW I HATE PUNS ----###
< 1227047153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz
< 1227047198 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "A name without the list of parameters denotes the variable if it is in scope, the parser otherwise.". You threat all names without parens as variables.
< 1227047199 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRUSH THEM LIKE FLIES, I SAY
< 1227047210 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION turns down the volume
< 1227047220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: that's handled by the runtime.
< 1227047226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the variable will override the parser)
< 1227047236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and calling will be done in a way specialcasing that
< 1227047236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooooooo
< 1227047255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope i dont have to do scope analysis at compile time
< 1227047256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1227047296 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable names are static, so they will always only refer to the previous declaration.
< 1227047301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227047306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still means i have to do analysis
< 1227047306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227047547 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... I didn't spot any other bugs. Good job so far.
< 1227047613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes all regex's precompiled in the output
< 1227047796 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precompiled regex'es in python?
< 1227047830 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227047849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: yaeh
< 1227047850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yeah
< 1227047875 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that means "will be compiled when the Python script starts", not "precompiled" in the most strictestest sense.
< 1227047879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227047892 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes more sense
< 1227048055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227048057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a + b is just
< 1227048067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1227048070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it returns the result of b, right?
< 1227048079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. when giving it stuff, it throws the result of that fed through a away
< 1227048096 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
< 1227048119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... what?
< 1227048161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's them concatenated, based on the Underload interp MizardX pasted
< 1227048163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure
< 1227048175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't parsers return things other than strings?
< 1227048237 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plus sign denotes concatenation. First, the input string is fed into the left parser. If it succeeds, then the new input string is fed into the right parser. If it succeeds, the concatenation also succeeds, returning the string concatenation of the two result strings as the result and the input string of the right parser as the new input string.
< 1227048267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so. Huh.
< 1227048269 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can only return strings. Though they can also both soft and hard fail.
< 1227048275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soft/hard fail is confusing, yeah.
< 1227048283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm representing it as two seperate python exceptions, is that right?
< 1227048295 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soft fail is like a null result. Hard fail is like an exception.
< 1227048315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a parser returning "" soft fails?
< 1227048333 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" sounds like succeeding to me.
< 1227048340 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just an empty string.
< 1227048354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[soft fail is like a null result]]
< 1227048361 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "" is not like a null result.
< 1227048368 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A soft fail in the middle of a block, argument list or concatenation results in a hard fail.
< 1227048382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: does this parser soft fail:
< 1227048383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo: "".
< 1227048388 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227048393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1227048399 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :succeeds with an empty string result.
< 1227048402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just finding it hard to distinguish between hard/soft failing
< 1227048445 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soft fails becomes important for alternations. A soft fail for the left child results in that the right child gets parsed instead.
< 1227048460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just a regular fail?
< 1227048464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail for left child -> right child
< 1227048469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no hard/soft
< 1227048500 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strings always succeeds. Regexes can either succeed or soft fail.
< 1227048507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but...
< 1227048509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just have one type of fail
< 1227048533 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No hard fail?
< 1227048549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the problem with no hard fail?
< 1227048571 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess is that you might want to have a "this failed completely, don't even try to continue messing around" type of failure.
< 1227048585 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it so it could potentionally be run on input with no back-tracking capabilities.
< 1227048610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright.
< 1227048686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1227048702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ and | are... whatever the word is for not mattering about left/rightness, right?
< 1227048708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a + b) + c == a + (b + c)
< 1227048713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (a | b) | c == a | (b | c)
< 1227048717 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1227048720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :associative
< 1227048746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: except... if the first hard/soft fails
< 1227048748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fails the same way
< 1227048750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the second does
< 1227048753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any way
< 1227048755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hard fails
< 1227048760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, it matters what exactly the escond is
< 1227048771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they aren't, are they?
< 1227048783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a + (b + c) in the spec, anyway
< 1227048808 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if b or c soft fails in either case, the whole expression hard fails.
< 1227048828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227048833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right
< 1227048928 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soft fail no the last branch on the alternation on the other hand, only causes the whole expression to soft fail.
< 1227048954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has to structure, oops.
< 1227048956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*restructure
< 1227048964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't do a + b without each subparser being a seperate function
< 1227048969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i need to do that for a | b too
< 1227049237 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1227049245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i should have some breakfast.
< 1227049252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's tomorrow already
< 1227049253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird idea
< 1227049300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? what's weird about eating
< 1227049751 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go to sleep now. Need to get up in a few hours. :S
< 1227049843 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: One problem for you; How to check if two strings are equal in Redivider, without hard-failing.
< 1227049854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrrrrrrrrm.
< 1227049864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: is that even possible
< 1227049876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1227049878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easy
< 1227049888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1227049898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: got it, i think:
< 1227049941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no.
< 1227049942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1227049986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ping
< 1227050029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1227050035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, gcc-bf's build system works
< 1227050044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for an initial compile
< 1227050048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next step: make it work as a Makefile
< 1227050596 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hum, if you've got a string in variable 'a' and another in variable 'b', and you want to test for their equality, and you happen to know X's not in the string, can't you just do  /([^X]*)X\1/ a + "X" + b  ?
< 1227050604 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite generic, of course.
< 1227050756 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, meaning /([^X]*)X\1/ [ a + "X" + b ] there, of course. For some reason read the "parser_1 [ parser_2 ]" without the brackets.
< 1227050773 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never done anything with that language.
< 1227050791 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the regular expression fails, then re[...] will hard fail
< 1227050799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb MizardX? :P
< 1227050805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheh... Nice work, ais523.
< 1227050817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: btw, i think i have an idea for the comparer
< 1227050846 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea: Call it the "comparator" :P
< 1227050910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX:
< 1227050910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :equal(a, b): { /$/[a]; /$/[b]; "equal" } | { /$/[a]; "not equal" } | { /$/[b]; "not equal" } | { ha: head[a]; hb: head[b]; equal(ha, hb); equal(tail[a], tail[b]) }.
< 1227050911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :head: /(.)/.
< 1227050911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail: /.(.*)/.
< 1227050915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs the one-character case, but still
< 1227050954 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/regex/[input] will hard fail if the regex soft-fails
< 1227050977 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Causing the whole | to hard-fail. That's one tricky language.
< 1227050988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmph.
< 1227051037 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one way would be {/regex/; body}[input]
< 1227051082 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as body doesn't fail
< 1227051113 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ({/regex/;body}|alt)[input]
< 1227051124 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would that work? Won't the block instantly hard-fail if the regex fails?
< 1227051141 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for the first line
< 1227051153 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the first parser soft fails, the block soft fails. If any other parser fails, or the first parser hard fails, then the block hard fails."
< 1227051159 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not?
< 1227051171 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right.
< 1227051177 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The regex will only soft-fail there.
< 1227051342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
< 1227051347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone who knows about prolog:
< 1227051355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible for a predicate to cause a new statement (axiom, whatever?)
< 1227051356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1227051357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do
< 1227051360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pred(X) :- condition
< 1227051360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1227051362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can another predicate
< 1227051362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :state
< 1227051363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pred(X)
< 1227051372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that even if the condition it was stated on becomes false, the axiom remains?
< 1227051393 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: assert(...)
< 1227051410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so I can do
< 1227051417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makeFoo(X) :- assert(foo(X))
< 1227051417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then
< 1227051420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makeFoo('hi')
< 1227051426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and => foo('hi')?
< 1227051435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep iirc
< 1227051442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| ?- assert(foo('hi')).
< 1227051442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncaught exception: error(existence_error(procedure,assert/1),top_level/0)
< 1227051457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227051459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works with swi
< 1227051466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it works
< 1227051466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227051474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right there are some technicals
< 1227051475 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also retract/1 things.
< 1227051479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1227051487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my game of prolog in nomic shall pwnz0r!!11
< 1227051491 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may need to declare foo first in some implementations
< 1227051495 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eee
< 1227051499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm
< 1227051500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like just
< 1227051501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.?
< 1227051506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or...what
< 1227051510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i want no defaulted predicates...
< 1227051512 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone ever implemented something like esoteric prolog?
< 1227051514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1227051522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: no, btu ais523 designed Proud or was it Pound
< 1227051524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is uncomputable
< 1227051525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite recall how
< 1227051590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw:
< 1227051602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo(X) :- not(bar(X)), assert(...)
< 1227051603 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done a Scheme interpreter in Prolog; it felt a tiny bit esoteric-y, even if both involved languages are so mainstream. It's not "esoteric prolog" in the sense you meant, though.
< 1227051607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre not meant to use not in prolog are you?
< 1227051616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're meant to use cut aren't you
< 1227051617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i forget how
< 1227051700 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could just  foo(X) :- bar(X), !, fail. foo(X) :- assert(...).  or something, but I'm not sure if that's any nicer. Not a Prologer, though.
< 1227051717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah you declare it with dynamic
< 1227051728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227051741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gollem.science.uva.nl/SWI-Prolog/Manual/dynamic.html
< 1227051746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1227051772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic(player).
< 1227051772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :register(email, name) :- not(player(email, N)), assert(player(email, name)).
< 1227051774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss!
< 1227051800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        No permission to modify static_procedure `(dynamic)/1'
< 1227051800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1227051804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: dynamic player/2, actually
< 1227051810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227051820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still:
< 1227051821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: (/Users/ehird/Documents/Code/nomic.pl:1):
< 1227051821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        No permission to modify static_procedure `(dynamic)/1'
< 1227051857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1227051860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs to be Email, Name
< 1227051861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1227051886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah
< 1227051889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamic no worky :(
< 1227051900 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw prolog implementation in ruby that permitted using prolog inline
< 1227051917 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bcs it was coded using ruby's syntax awesomness
< 1227051920 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pwnage
< 1227051961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yeah, seen it
< 1227052003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it works
< 1227052038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227052045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if you can dump the state of the prolog world to a file
< 1227052136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you need :- dynamic player/2.  see the link above
< 1227052141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227052142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227052170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember the if/else syntax in prolog
< 1227052171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1227052174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X -> Y; Z
< 1227052309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227052315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how you give a reason for failing?
< 1227052318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's just fail/0
< 1227052604 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that makes sense
< 1227052622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, true
< 1227052627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just build it into the infrastructure
< 1227052633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, commands can be replied to
< 1227052636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll just make it part of the reply
< 1227052717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227052734 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are exceptions though
< 1227052734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come the format predicate always outputs, isn't there a way to get it to put the output in an atom?
< 1227052777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha:
< 1227052782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :format(atom(Foo), ...)
< 1227052863 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yyyy
< 1227052962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/318300
< 1227052964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :delicious!
< 1227052970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i need a result_of in the final one, whatever
< 1227052976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1227052983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that needs to be an assert, for the result_of, doesn't it?
< 1227052987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe a side-effect
< 1227053009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/318301
< 1227053009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada
< 1227053183 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227053244 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (o )(~(o)~*:S~:^):^
< 1227053245 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo ooo oooo ooooo oooooo ooooooo oooooooo ooooooooo oooooooooo ooooooooooo oooooooooooo ooooooooooooo oooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooo  ...too much output!
< 1227053498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227053536 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (o )(~(ok)~*:S~:^):^
< 1227053537 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko okoko okokoko okokokoko okokokokoko okokokokokoko okokokokokokoko okokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokoko okokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko  ...too much output!
< 1227053554 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot is so lagged
< 1227053560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuog fol
< 1227053563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleapp ->
< 1227053600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweat drooms
< 1227053713 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that?
< 1227053772 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is help tor thutubot ?
< 1227053783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere.
< 1227053790 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang
< 1227053794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one command
< 1227053795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul
< 1227053797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs underload
< 1227053800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its written in thutu
< 1227053802 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm
< 1227053803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(look it up on the wiki)
< 1227053924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1227053928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should write my own prolog for this.
< 1227053939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oerjan: Probably the best, isn't it, considering the sandboxing I'd have to do otherwise
< 1227054104 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny
< 1227054496 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's got a ^help, though.
< 1227054497 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ fnord ( user fnord) 13:12, 15 march 2007 ( utc)
< 1227054498 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1227054498 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
< 1227054846 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what langs does it support?
< 1227054864 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1227054874 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck and Underload; that's the bf/ul there.
< 1227054884 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that there was another bot
< 1227054908 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also an undocumented ^code command that runs non-sandboxed Befunge, but that's limited to me only since it's so unsafe.
< 1227054910 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that supported even my poor SADOL
< 1227054930 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's written in Funge-98, in case that wasn't mentioned yet.
< 1227054931 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale.
< 1227054956 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also very obsessed about fair use when it's using this current babble-database.
< 1227054959 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1227054959 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc lovecraft pa speeches ss wp*
< 1227054985 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Egobot, how we miss thee
< 1227055027 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style discworld
< 1227055027 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books)
< 1227055037 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2008-04-26 01:15:37] < EgoBot> 1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl
< 1227055042 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The list was indeed impressive.
< 1227055044 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what now?
< 1227055058 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can talk to fungot, and it'll respond with mangled Discworld stuff.
< 1227055059 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: " i think someone trod on my hat."
< 1227055076 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You don't have a hat.
< 1227055076 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ' interesting point," said rincewind. ' i'm missing meals here, you see? the universe doesn't stop even for my clock,' said bucket.
< 1227055088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho wrude!
< 1227055096 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wa
< 1227055099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trippy, i can't tell if that was a real quote or not
< 1227055119 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Where is my egg?
< 1227055120 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it was her mouth. it looked like a witch dancing through raindrops, never getting wet. wait until morning.' the valkyrie turned in the saddle.
< 1227055139 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one might not be one of the best ones.
< 1227055146 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p
< 1227055168 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style lovecraft
< 1227055168 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings)
< 1227055206 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"agora" is Agora rules; "alice" is Lewis Carroll's books; "darwin" is Darwin's writings with messed-up tokenization; "discworld" you've seen; "europarl" is European Parliament speeches 1996-2006; "ff7" is Final Fantasy VII script; "fisher" is transcribed telephone conversations; ...
< 1227055220 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I can see something over there.
< 1227055221 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: serve as the eyes of the falling dreamer. there were
< 1227055228 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+"
< 1227055269 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ic" is the INTERCAL manual; "irc" is #esoteric + #scheme IRC logs (probably the most sensiblest one); "lovecraft" is this one; "pa" is Penny Arcade comics; "speeches" is just some speeches from Project Gutenberg; "ss" is Shakespeare; "wp" is 1/256th of Wikipedia talk pages.
< 1227055385 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "darwin" one is only funny because it's filled with :)-smileys, thanks to a bug. (Fungot's hardcoded punctuation stuff -- the very visible triangle in http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt -- doesn't match with what was used when building the data files.)
< 1227055385 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: at some of the things. in the second place, his organic processes shewed a certain queerness of proportion which fnord utterly to shame the emotional fnord and fnord.
< 1227055429 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Stop talking about "organic processes" like you don't have those. Wait, I guess you don't, at that.
< 1227055430 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: as a mining engineer of considerable prominence. enclosed were some very curious mediaeval information. he seemed, in fine, to have picked up a sight o' fnord in the
< 1227055700 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's sleep-time; almost 03 am, finally got MATLAB to plot those figures the way I wanted them so it's a good point to sleep. Night.
< 1227055759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1227055877 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o
< 1227055881 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coded it by hand?
< 1227055988 0 :Asztal!n=chatzill@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227056521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yes
< 1227056523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its written in befunge
< 1227056526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1227056527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean
< 1227056528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie
< 1227056530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s matlab
< 1227056536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye for today
< 1227056548 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1227056607 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking about an algorithm that will place graph nodes on a square lattice so that the summary length of edges would be the smallest
< 1227056667 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1227056675 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night
< 1227059386 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Hilarious topic
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< 1227069288 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1227070250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1227071219 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]"
< 1227073966 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227075302 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
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< 1227077950 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1227077990 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227081599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1227085036 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227085199 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1227085827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: online?
< 1227086314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227086346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1227086396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just woke up, and now i have to break my holy never-go-out-again principle already :<
< 1227086418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is not very fair
< 1227086456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you have to do out? school?
< 1227086478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i need to go show em i've done my c++.
< 1227086510 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i need to go take the dog out.
< 1227086593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's getting a bit frustrated, i think, trying to eat my fingers as i type.
< 1227086751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i probably need to go to the shop, all i have here is noodles, and that's really all i've eaten all week
< 1227086765 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that's only two days, but i ate them last week too
< 1227086771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go outside, it's a good day for it over in the UK
< 1227086790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore by unsafe and overconfident extrapolation I assume it is where you live too
< 1227086793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i wouldn't know, the curtains are closed
< 1227086850 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last night it was so windy i couldn't ride my bike at all, had to walk home backwards, also rainy but i don't mind that. if you didn't see my complaints yesterday
< 1227086891 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by extrapolation on that, it's not that nice a day outside.
< 1227086893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"had to walk home backwards"?
< 1227086920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i had my guitar on my back, so the wind couldn't get to my head.
< 1227086960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to have natural light even when I'm indoors programming, it saves on electricity
< 1227086969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I like to look out of the windows from time to time too
< 1227087000 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :walking backwards with a bicycle is pretty hard btw. somehow my bike balancing reflexes just don't cover that.
< 1227087016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because they're backwards, but anyway.
< 1227087068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like natural light usually. i like the occasional day out in the summer, but usually i like sitting in the dark
< 1227087083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or with a small light on
< 1227087093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is powergeek
< 1227087129 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the topic is hilarious!
< 1227087174 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems i'm too tired to leave my computer.
< 1227087189 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227087209 0 :Corun_!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227087224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Corun_
< 1227087246 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meep.
< 1227087315 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"So, how much do you love noodles?"
< 1227087350 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227087353 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun
< 1227087423 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: lawl
< 1227087487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: pretty appropriate quit msg by the way, that must have been deliberate...
< 1227087502 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;]
< 1227087628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love noodles, but my stomach can't stomach it if i don't eat anything else with them.
< 1227087667 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually eat in KFC or gas stations (those awful hot-dogs) + cola :D
< 1227087684 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a trucker?
< 1227087689 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in work - pizza or chinese shit
< 1227087703 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i had the money only to eat fast food
< 1227087717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow food is simply inferior.
< 1227087731 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, i'm proud owner of 30 years old Mercedes-Benz
< 1227087737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast food as in junk food, or as in preprepared meals you get in a shop?
< 1227087746 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i just sit in that car and drive around for fun
< 1227087757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: preferably junk food
< 1227087760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly eat preprepared sandwitches from the various canteens here
< 1227087770 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but preprepared meals are often good too
< 1227087774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all about the speed
< 1227087792 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just too lazy to prepare something from scratch
< 1227087818 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for most my senses, i have a limit for how good stimuli can get, for food the limit is pretty low, most things taste equally unbelievably awesome.
< 1227087894 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday i ate a sandwich from subway and smoked a pack of cigs ;]
< 1227087899 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be healthy
< 1227087934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I avoid all sorts of unhealthy things just because I don't like them
< 1227087950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't smoke, I haven't drunk alcohol for about 4 years or drunk caffeine for about 3
< 1227087957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eat lots of vegetables and salads
< 1227087963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just due to my preferences about things I like
< 1227087963 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good for you
< 1227088049 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i smoke, eat junk and drive my car around, killing atmosphere
< 1227088050 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;]
< 1227088150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: have you ever heard of hypermiling?
< 1227088157 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1227088164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not
< 1227088168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's catching on quite a lit
< 1227088171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lot
< 1227088180 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227088182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it's a competition to see how fuel-efficiently you can drive a car
< 1227088191 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1227088200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your score is the ratio of how fuel-efficient it is when you drive it to how fuel-efficient it is in the spec
< 1227088214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning
< 1227088227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I'm online, a bit preoccupied
< 1227088249 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227088318 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my car is 30 years old, has enormous (as for european car) engine capacity and weights sth about 2000 kilo
< 1227088327 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ the tires are quite broad
< 1227088512 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil :D
< 1227088686 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find "saving the nature" a bit too conservative for my taste, why not ruin it, and see what the future brings along.
< 1227088760 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the car ruins my wallet
< 1227088795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing applies for the money, why not spend it all, and see what happens
< 1227088823 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea
< 1227088826 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could probably continue in the university even if i lived on the street.
< 1227088830 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw what happens
< 1227088840 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even better, i couldn't do anything but read in the library.
< 1227088845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i wouldn't have anything.
< 1227088854 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow what happend?
< 1227088857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*happened
< 1227088862 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flat owner goes mad for a month
< 1227088869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you live in the woods and hunt your own food
< 1227088876 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :friends feed you
< 1227088884 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol awesome :D
< 1227088897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: how did you get more money again?
< 1227088939 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next month = salary ;]
< 1227088955 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ some shitty projects
< 1227088964 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can smoke, drive, eat and pay for my flat
< 1227088986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have tons of money, i'm scared of using it
< 1227088993 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me some ;]
< 1227089030 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah right, and take away your awesome drifter life
< 1227089068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i had like a tent and some kinda blanket, i would be the happiest man alive
< 1227089084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all the social pressure that's keeping my routines up
< 1227089114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i would probably want a computer, so guess i'd need to get moneys for like a cellphone.
< 1227089248 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227089250 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :details
< 1227089261 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've met funny guy in netherlands
< 1227089270 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny guys are funny
< 1227089277 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :homeless one, in tidy clothes, with watch and everything
< 1227089299 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was with a huuge dog that looked well fed and happy
< 1227089339 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy was speaking quite sophisticated english and claimed that he was a mechanical enginieer
< 1227089358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227089400 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said that he sleeps on a street with dog, under one blanket so even in the winter it's comfortably warm
< 1227089421 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and said that he had to move out because the dog attacked housekeeper
< 1227089431 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and almost killed him ;d
< 1227089433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1227089480 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1227089484 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible
< 1227089503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so cool
< 1227089526 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkay
< 1227089535 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :university awaits
< 1227089539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227089557 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must go there and do something unspecified in some unspecified lab
< 1227089557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me too, should do morning stuffs and leave.
< 1227089571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must go show them 7 c++ exercises and come back.
< 1227089575 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl
< 1227089640 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would've had like 8 hours of lectures, but i didn't feel like it after yesterday's stormy
< 1227089643 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1227089646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byes
< 1227089647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1227089680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1227090074 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1227091673 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-4-45.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227091693 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1227092680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include <stdio.h>
< 1227092680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(void) {
< 1227092680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    printf("%d\n", (int)sizeof(42)["where is your god now?"]);
< 1227092681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    return 0;
< 1227092681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :}
< 1227092683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss
< 1227092705 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg !
< 1227092851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's not portable....
< 1227092861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you sure?
< 1227092915 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not portable in that the behavior is not guaranteed in the standard, it might be portable portable
< 1227092951 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god the topic is hilarious
< 1227092962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: o rly, i think you're bullshitting.
< 1227092991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;;)
< 1227092993 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... strings are pointers to memory, and array indexing is commutative. It's the same as (int)("where is your god now?" + 32) or (int)("where is your god now?" + 16) depending on architecture.
< 1227093012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: it's not that
< 1227093020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the size of 42
< 1227093023 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof(42) is usually 2, 4 or 8, not 16 or 32.
< 1227093044 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the int conversion
< 1227093057 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both can change from machine to machine
< 1227093074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not machine dammit, compilation? my words are gone
< 1227093093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well machine, depending what the definition of machine is
< 1227093095 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaanyway.
< 1227093259 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, yes, it's close to (int)*("where is your god now?" + sizeof(42)) -- it's not good to forget the * there.
< 1227093467 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, actually that's not what it is. That was funky.
< 1227093480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't?
< 1227093485 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually just sizeof(char).
< 1227093513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then i got owned pretty bad.
< 1227093516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the syntax goes "sizeof unary-expression" or "sizeof (type-name)", and a cast is unary-expression.
< 1227093540 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's the size of the "where is your god now?"[42] expression.
< 1227093557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the case"
< 1227093558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cast
< 1227093572 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cast is outside the sizeof, i don't understand what that has to do with precedence
< 1227093617 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cast just converts the size_t result of sizeof into int, I don't think it has much to do there.
< 1227093669 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errso by cast
< 1227093676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you meant the indexing
< 1227093680 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*err, so
< 1227093681 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, uh, I meant, the [] binds so tight, right.
< 1227093750 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, this was new to me, that's why you shouldn't learn by doing, only by memorizing the specs can you read actual real life codez.
< 1227093871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i should reeeeeally start going soon ;)
< 1227093872 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1227095413 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-18.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227095956 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227096883 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227097189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ariel.com.au/a/teaching-programming.html
< 1227097190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1227097196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts gets.to_i + gets.to_i
< 1227097205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/gets/readline/ if that floats your boat.
< 1227097483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oklotalk way would be "out !In + !In"
< 1227097510 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've recently started loving oklotalk's syntax again
< 1227097575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops. that's wrong
< 1227097596 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unary binds tightest, so "out ( !In + !In"
< 1227097601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you should make oklotalk concatenative
< 1227097611 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually is somewhat
< 1227097615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In ! In! + out
< 1227097623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what is the !
< 1227097625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why In vs out?
< 1227097641 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!Function means call function
< 1227097651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out is a function too, but it's lowercase, so it's an actual call
< 1227097663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm oklopol
< 1227097667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is !X vs x?
< 1227097670 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an okenity issue in oklotalk terminology
< 1227097674 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x would take an argument
< 1227097678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd have to do
< 1227097680 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in()
< 1227097695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ah, use/mention distinction?
< 1227097702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. "the function X" vs "call X with no args"
< 1227097710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1227097721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: there are two nice solutions:
< 1227097735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. make it lazy and have no 0-arg functions, they're just thunks, like haskell. <-- Best option, obviously
< 1227097746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's not good
< 1227097756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. make it the MENTIONING that requires the exrta char. "in" with no args is clearly more common than passing the function in around
< 1227097760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make passing  the function in &in
< 1227097771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==> shorter code, all calling looks the same
< 1227097778 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :passing the function is "In", calling it is "in"
< 1227097784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how oklotalk rolls.
< 1227097788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, but
< 1227097792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't this work
< 1227097798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out ( in + in
< 1227097811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in, + and in are all funcokens = the "use" case
< 1227097813 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's
< 1227097825 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out ( in( +( in( argument ) ) ) )
< 1227097838 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argument being the contents of _
< 1227097840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: solution for that:
< 1227097845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you know the arity of a function, never read more args than it
< 1227097852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the system knows that in has no arguments, that can work fine
< 1227097854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[perl does that]
< 1227097861 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, basically i'd have to change parsing at runtime.
< 1227097866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah.
< 1227097871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl seems to manage fine :p
< 1227097882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'd say runtime syntax is very oko.
< 1227097887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, why are you trying to change oklotalk? it's perfect, and your solutions are just copying languages you like.
< 1227097893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i dislike perl.
< 1227097898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just making suggestions :p
< 1227097903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay
< 1227097927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's one thing about oklotalk i'm never going to change
< 1227097931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i like it a lots.
< 1227097932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would seem that runtime syntax to minimize the code size and to make errors even-more-impossible is very oko.
< 1227097954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well, oklotalk did have that originally, but i decided to remove runtime parsing.
< 1227097969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(errors even more impossible because you cannot give most funcs too many args, simply impossible, and if you give too little args it's a syntax error, not runtime)
< 1227097976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although oklotalk has syntax errors
< 1227097978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go fig :p
< 1227097995 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax error?
< 1227098003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, like
< 1227098008 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklotalk will never have syntax errors, that's one of the design goals.
< 1227098008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if "foo" is known to take two args
< 1227098009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program
< 1227098010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo 1
< 1227098012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although
< 1227098016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make that mean
< 1227098020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo 1 ()
< 1227098022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where () = nil
< 1227098183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh
< 1227098659 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also do "out\+(In\(,)"
< 1227098750 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means out( reduce( +, map( in, [(), ()] ) ) )
< 1227098804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227098818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: does oklotalk have an event-based library?
< 1227098822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you can nest events.
< 1227098824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could do
< 1227098827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't think of anything much shorter
< 1227098838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x@in=>x@in=>out x
< 1227098839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1227098848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :binded_var@event => dowhat
< 1227098852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1227098860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x@in=>y@in=>out x+y
< 1227098862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1227098907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't have that, although you can just do X=in;Y=in;out(X+Y
< 1227098948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: right but, that's not how that'd work
< 1227098955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd just idle until it got input then schedule another listener
< 1227098960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you could continue doing crap after saying that
< 1227098966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also more advanced event triggers, etc
< 1227098980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. in isn't a function there
< 1227098988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's saying, when the in event is trigered bind the result to x
< 1227098992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then schedule another trigger
< 1227098998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then add the two results together when that is triggered
< 1227099004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and output
< 1227099009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you could have a very simple gui lib that way
< 1227099041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you show me an example, and i can tell you if you can just do it the exact same way?
< 1227099062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1227099065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you can do it for callbacks
< 1227099075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clicked(button) => out "button clicked"
< 1227099076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever
< 1227099084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a generic pattern for scheduling events/callbacks
< 1227099096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing complicated
< 1227099113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you'd start a new thread for that
< 1227099128 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then call a blocking function in it
< 1227099133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nahh, do something like twisted
< 1227099138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its non-blocking & event-based
< 1227099140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of threads
< 1227099142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can do a lot more
< 1227099144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without having 1000000 threads
< 1227099157 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, that's @(X=in)
< 1227099158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/ ('s for python)
< 1227099166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that makes sense
< 1227099178 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, that's @(X=in),@(Y=in),@(out(X+Y))
< 1227099184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227099186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit ugly
< 1227099189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what's the lambda syntax again
< 1227099191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{...}?
< 1227099193 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227099198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd go for:
< 1227099210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1227099213 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure @ is the character for threads, but there's a character for threads
< 1227099218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: whats the arg syntax again?
< 1227099220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
< 1227099221 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_
< 1227099223 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :contains args
< 1227099224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the implicit arg stuff
< 1227099228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right right but what about
< 1227099230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nested lambda
< 1227099236 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(patternz -> things)
< 1227099243 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{N -> N*5}
< 1227099248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@in = {x -> @in = {y -> out (x+y)}}
< 1227099252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{N -> {A -> N + 3} * 5}
< 1227099253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@button(clicked) = {out "hi"}
< 1227099258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, with allcaps
< 1227099258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1227099261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, that made no sense, but anyway
< 1227099262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ nice
< 1227099267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not actually threads btw,
< 1227099271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just non-blockingy stuff
< 1227099290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have a mainloop, going through every bit in turn, and run it, nonblockingly
< 1227099302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := you can have like 1,000,000 of them and it still works
< 1227099304 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're going by what the name of "@" might suggest it means?
< 1227099315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227099319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im suggesting what it should mean
< 1227099320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227099321 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but saying that'd be neat?
< 1227099322 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah okay
< 1227099325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya
< 1227099336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it could be useful for your oklotalk os
< 1227099336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1227099360 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227099360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just build everything (keypress,mouse click,move,gui-state-changed (to rerender)) etc as an event
< 1227099420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmhmm
< 1227099448 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm definitely not going to add syntax for events in case events are simply an external thing
< 1227099462 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'd have to somehow incorporate that to the normal message passing syste.
< 1227099467 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*system
< 1227099468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but...
< 1227099525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A = @{ @smth = {out "smth given"}; @smthelse = {out "smth else given"} }; A ! §Smthelse
< 1227099542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"§" is currently used for atoms, i may change that.
< 1227099629 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how about: A = @{ @[§smth, `{out "smth given"}]; @[§smthelse, `{out "smth else given"}] }; A ! §smthelse; A ! §smth; A ! §smthelse
< 1227099638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit verbose, but looks pretty
< 1227099645 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you could give the thread a "cue"
< 1227099667 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically just a pattern
< 1227099721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :patterns are done using the "quote code" list [\ ... ], usually, but for static stuff like an atom or a list you could just as well have the cues without it.
< 1227099784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's actually equal to A = @{ §smth -> {out "smth given"}; §smthelse -> {out "smthelse given"}; } :P
< 1227099796 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if multiple events could trigger at once would there be a difference
< 1227099829 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that* i might be willing to add new syntax for, something like "=>"
< 1227099848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellllll
< 1227099852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read up on twisted
< 1227099853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227099862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklotalk is proud to have a lot of things that mean almost the same, but you have to know the small details or you'll crash everything.
< 1227099865 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twisted?
< 1227099870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i linked it before.
< 1227099874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.twistedmatrix.com/
< 1227099881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the same kind of event-based system i envisioned for that thing
< 1227099883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in python
< 1227099890 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhmm.
< 1227099933 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really feel like reading that.
< 1227099990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, yeah i'll do what i said, "=>" will just be a nonblocking "->"
< 1227100055 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning it opens a new thread waiting for the arguments
< 1227100088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol:
< 1227100089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :threads are evil
< 1227100090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_;
< 1227100102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow, hacky, race conditions, can't have loads at once, ...
< 1227100156 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and recursion is bad, it uses up the stack, you can get exponential runtime if you make the smallest error ...
< 1227100175 0 :ais523_!i=93bc93e6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5e42a7fd97ea2d7c JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227100177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_
< 1227100186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's conceptually equal to what you described earlier.
< 1227100199 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just i call it thread, you call it something else.
< 1227100214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :threads aren't evil.
< 1227100257 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: they are sometimes, it depends on whether you use fork() or evil_fork()
< 1227100268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah but oklotalk always uses the first one
< 1227100272 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's in the spec
< 1227100346 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah you're right, if you just open a normal thread for the event, that constantly polls for events or something, then yeah, that's slow and hacky.
< 1227100356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it will just execute the blocking poll
< 1227100359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and go to sleep
< 1227100367 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, with =>, even that doesn't happen
< 1227100396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because => just always waits for the input, the function will basically just have a list of "events being waited for", which is then run on input that it is given.
< 1227100456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for race conditions, oklotalk isn't a language where you write stable code, that's simply not what it's aiming for, it's about writing code fast, and in creative ways
< 1227100486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but
< 1227100486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol:
< 1227100489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get programs working right
< 1227100490 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a Funge/INTERCAL-like model in which you can predict the speeds threads run at at compile time?
< 1227100494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soemtimes you need to solve race conditions
< 1227100496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is a lot of code
< 1227100497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and time
< 1227100499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on the whole...
< 1227100557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i've never encountered a race condition, therefor, i don't believe they're actually a problem unless you're a bad programmer.
< 1227100560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*therefore
< 1227100562 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227100573 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never had a program that suffered from a race condition
< 1227100601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, because you havent wrote the kind of problem that runs into them
< 1227100603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. parallel stuff
< 1227100615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, hi
< 1227100627 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1227100632 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for leaving so abruptly earlier
< 1227100642 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop ran out of battery and did an emergency hibernate
< 1227100655 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was about 30% of the way through uploading gcc-bf, too
< 1227100662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i've written parallel stuff. but anyway, this is a moot point, i already explained to you why race condition arguments don't apply
< 1227100681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just happen to think they *never* apply, but we don't have to argue about that now.
< 1227100697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can argue about it later, when i'm all grown up and have written parallel code that doesn't work.
< 1227100874 0 :nooga!n=nooga@89.174.55.154 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227100878 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227100958 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie
< 1227101207 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes?
< 1227101411 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227102443 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-10-160.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227102485 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i've got a graph in which each node is connected to 3 undirected edges
< 1227102495 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nodes are of 2 types
< 1227102517 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 and 2?
< 1227102540 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i want to draw that graph placing vertices on square grid so that sum of edge length will be the smallest
< 1227102589 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: heh, if I had that problem I would have asked oklopol, probably
< 1227102599 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe oerjan
< 1227102604 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels like half of the time people ask something it's about graph layouting.
< 1227102615 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1227102629 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not only on this channel; elsewhere, too.
< 1227102645 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured out that fizzie is also on #algo
< 1227102649 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227102651 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's probably more like a single-digit percentage, but still.
< 1227102654 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i thought he might know
< 1227102663 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's #algo? I don't think I'm on anything like that.
< 1227102664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#algo?
< 1227102675 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :##algorithms
< 1227102676 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p
< 1227102679 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm there.
< 1227102689 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie isn't
< 1227102706 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : no wai
< 1227102720 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I am, it's news to me.
< 1227102721 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i mixed you two into one supreme being
< 1227102722 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: so, put them all in the same position, (0,0)
< 1227102727 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :distances are zero
< 1227102731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that was easy.
< 1227102736 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaaa
< 1227102738 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227102740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nno?
< 1227102744 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually that was my first thought too. :p
< 1227102760 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nodes are transistors of types P and N
< 1227102789 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 148 (No route to host)
< 1227102789 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm figuring out how to make a compact circuit with shortest cables possible
< 1227102817 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: do you have mirror-image versions of the transistors
< 1227102823 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are b, c, e in a fixed order?
< 1227102827 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, are cables that expensives?
< 1227102836 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cables have resistance
< 1227102837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Very Busy(tm) now; hopefully the oklopol side of the hypothetical oklozzie complex will help here.
< 1227102846 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227102878 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's about wires so this is ais523 territory, also i'm not that comfortable with solving intractable problems.
< 1227102912 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227102927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three undirected edges you say, right okay transistors
< 1227102944 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: don't you need to put in resistors as well as transistors?
< 1227102952 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOSFET
< 1227102958 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even so
< 1227102962 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :digital circuit?
< 1227102966 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1227102972 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1227103046 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can the wires intersect each other? you're not being very specific
< 1227103055 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep they can
< 1227103060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can the wires intersect the transistors?
< 1227103073 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :manhattan distance?
< 1227103075 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, why not
< 1227103088 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you know euclidean
< 1227103097 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transistors will be on one side of the board and connections on the other
< 1227103143 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could maybe abuse one of the many IC placement-and-routing tools.
< 1227103175 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an ugly practical solution
< 1227103176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227103179 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227103223 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"
< 1227103229 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :distance is not a problem
< 1227103254 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, we have a set of nodes, and a set of three other nodes for each node specifying three nodes they're connected with, we need to find a placing for each node such that the sum of distances to each of these neighbors for each node are minimal.
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< 1227103262 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem is how to find the solution in a way a bit more elegant than bruteforce or genetic algo
< 1227103285 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1227103306 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how good a solution you want
< 1227103328 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well
< 1227103343 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :node count isn't bigger than 10000
< 1227103450 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227103460 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a random scheme that comes to mind
< 1227103486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait...
< 1227103528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intractable problems are fun
< 1227103532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken m-keys aren't :<
< 1227103572 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. one thing you can do
< 1227103597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is find connected components for deleting a certain node, for all nodes
< 1227103610 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you find nodes the dropping of which results in multiple graphs
< 1227103621 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227103634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure that works well with this kinda thing, i'm not sure what kind the graphs you have are.
< 1227103653 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i think the components aren't *that*
< 1227103668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph, aren't that connected, probably there are sets of close nodes that split the network.
< 1227103707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lets you divide and conquer, the merging step is simply finding the two spots on the map to put the submaps in
< 1227103715 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*finding two
< 1227103744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know, as i said, a bit stupid trying to find a good strategy with only a slight guess about what the graphs look like
< 1227103855 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1227103893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but say you have something like abfbcedb, you could split on b, and then recurse on a, f and ced
< 1227103897 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could prepare some samples
< 1227103938 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, you need not only find a good placing for the subgraphs, you need to get the things b is connected to to be "on the side" of the returned map
< 1227103948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they need to be connected to b in the merging step
< 1227103980 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graph is quite massive because it's an output from my integrator
< 1227103980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: anyone else who cares: http://code.eso-std.org/gcc-bf/gcc-bf.tar.bz2 is a version of gcc-bf so far which actually compiles
< 1227103987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nice
< 1227103994 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's really not very hard, because we can have wires go through anything, it's simple just to mingle the whole subgraphs together.
< 1227104004 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. i'm really bad at explaining my visions.
< 1227104004 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which you can define eg OR gate wrom basic P and N elements
< 1227104023 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then define eg. adder which uses that OR
< 1227104031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, i'm wgetting it
< 1227104042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: use the wrapper script to run it, and the arg -Wl,-progress,-abi,-asm if you don't want it to just seem to hang for ages and then crash
< 1227104045 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yeah i get it; that's why i think something like this might work, you probably don't have that many cycles
< 1227104060 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1227104104 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything is compiled into a huge graph with basic P and N elements
< 1227104113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if there's no cycles, then this is a trivial problem)
< 1227104144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because a divide-and-conquer scheme like that will work perfectly)
< 1227104150 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reasonably perfectly)
< 1227104319 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ported libc?
< 1227104332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: newlib compiles, sort of
< 1227104340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it compiles enough to produce a libc
< 1227104359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the makefile crashes eventually but I can still salvage the libraries it creates
< 1227104413 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. i want a nice hypertext editor, something like {xxx} which is then a direct link to opening the file xxx in a new tab.
< 1227104424 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case it's not open, otherwise just showing the tab
< 1227104475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise wordpad is a perfect text editor
< 1227104494 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except for the obvious defect of not remembering which font i like)
< 1227104772 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-10-160.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227104791 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jedit is quite cool
< 1227104803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Didn't they call that html? :p
< 1227104869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err no they didn't call that kinda program html. and i like my syntax better. html is more about markup than about hyperlinks.
< 1227104893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperlinks wouldn't need that much crap, they'd need one hyperlink contruct for doing hyperlinks.
< 1227104902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol:
< 1227104907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<a href=hello>foo</a>
< 1227104914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, thats longer than {hello}
< 1227104924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how about mediawiki?
< 1227104927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo bar [[hello]]
< 1227104933 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnome's "Tomboy" note-taking thing seemed like a reasonable thing, but never got around starting to use it.
< 1227104945 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about the syntax, i'm asking about the program
< 1227105000 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about an editor in which you can embed scripts in the text
< 1227105022 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are collapsable and take some arguments
< 1227105035 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and generate something when you write the file
< 1227105078 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or work as links, keep some data which will be written in specified format etc
< 1227105121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like they made a Windows version of that thing, too; http://live.gnome.org/Tomboy/Win32 -- of course, the links there aren't to other files, just other Tomboy notes, so you'd need to keep everything there in order for it to be useful.
< 1227105131 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soo it looks like: some text yadda yadda [script button] yadda yadda
< 1227105146 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you click the button you can edit the script or sth
< 1227105449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Enhanced, even more hilarious topic
< 1227105926 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227106019 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1227106464 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1227107022 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that graph thingy drives me mad
< 1227107607 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1227107892 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227108028 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227108251 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how to use that gcc-bf thing?
< 1227108258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile it
< 1227108259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run it
< 1227108343 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omfg
< 1227108344 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huuuge
< 1227108367 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got shitloads of errors
< 1227108635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: errors or warnings?
< 1227108640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a huge number of warnings
< 1227108644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of which are in gcc itself
< 1227108651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in my code
< 1227108736 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1227108737 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errors
< 1227108747 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it failed
< 1227108761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really surprised, I had trouble getting it to compile at my end
< 1227108765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the first error?
< 1227108771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the last error if you can't see the first
< 1227108819 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: error: /bin/sh ../../gcc-4.2-20070719/fixincludes/../config.sub bf failed
< 1227108823 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first
< 1227108831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ah, ok
< 1227108837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did my patches to config.sub apply properly?
< 1227108850 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have no idea
< 1227108856 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never compiled gcc
< 1227108873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: what did you do upon downloading the package?
< 1227108883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just run the build script?
< 1227108902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses programs nobody has, is the problem, I used realpath in it and possibly you don't have that
< 1227108927 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1227108954 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have realpath
< 1227108957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1227108961 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227108963 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, i just run the script
< 1227108987 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as root ;p
< 1227108989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep for bf) in gcc-4.2-20070719/config.sub
< 1227108992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't run as root
< 1227108995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't need it
< 1227109041 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf) ?
< 1227109053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it's how you do a switch statement in bash
< 1227109059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my patch should have added it
< 1227109068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the error message suggests that it didn't patch for some reason
< 1227109073 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none
< 1227109088 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::{
< 1227109112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1227109151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: if you run patch gcc-4.2-20070719/config.sub < patches/config.sub.patch, what happens?
< 1227109376 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOOOOOOOOT
< 1227109382 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't have patch
< 1227109445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange to have realpath but not patch...
< 1227109455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a possibility I hadn't even thought of
< 1227109466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably want to make sure you have gcc's other dependencies too, there are quite a lot
< 1227109620 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaa
< 1227109631 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seeen so many errors in one make
< 1227109791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry everyone, connection problems...
< 1227109849 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1227109853 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give up
< 1227109953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is building gcc-bf too
< 1227109957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I lacked realpath
< 1227109965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrote a shell function replacement
< 1227109966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it'll have a saner build script in a while
< 1227109973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, see /msg too
< 1227110005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, at some point you will want to be able to compile gcc-bf with itself
< 1227110019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that's even possible, but it would be fun to try
< 1227110029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc-bf compiles files very quickly and links them very slowly
< 1227110039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227110047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Linux for BF?
< 1227110056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: thought of that too, it's a worrying thought
< 1227110061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably we should get qemu for BF first
< 1227110065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use that to run Linux
< 1227110070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no MMU so you would need uclinux
< 1227110074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's cheating really
< 1227110085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it is cheating
< 1227110089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wouldn't work
< 1227110096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since qemu doesn't compile on gcc 4.x
< 1227110099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm... maybe I should try to build uclibc rather than newlib for gcc-bf
< 1227110107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, maybe, no idea
< 1227110116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newlib is even more minimal isn't it?
< 1227110129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1227110140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added just enough to clean up all the dangling references
< 1227110153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1227110161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newlib can't do everything by itself
< 1227110166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1227110168 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it would be better to write a minimal C compiler that targets bf
< 1227110168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to know how to do I/O for instance
< 1227110171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would need some low level functions
< 1227110178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, nah
< 1227110182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write an LLVM backend
< 1227110185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead
< 1227110187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: BF-C exists IIRC, doing it with gcc seems to impress more people though
< 1227110194 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227110200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes and it could handle C99
< 1227110205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and potentially C++
< 1227110215 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ requires RTTI
< 1227110217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you implement a libstdc++
< 1227110217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gcc-bf can handle C99, although doesn't have all its standard library
< 1227110218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf-c is broken
< 1227110219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shit
< 1227110219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227110226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right
< 1227110233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, yes and?
< 1227110242 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't imagine that in bf
< 1227110247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTTI is implemented at quite a high level I believe
< 1227110249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no reason in theory why it couldn't handle C++, except it would be a pain to get gcc to not try to do clever linker tricks that won't work
< 1227110263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh
< 1227110329 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolog -> bf :D
< 1227110365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, um prolog isn't an esolang
< 1227110368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not relevant
< 1227110371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so, neither is C
< 1227110378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that was -> to
< 1227110380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not -> better than
< 1227110395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose writing a gplc backend could be interesting
< 1227110404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gplc?
< 1227110423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GNU Prolog compiler
< 1227110430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to gprolog which is an interpreter
< 1227110440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusingly, you can create gprolog by giving gplc a blank file as input
< 1227110449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the command-line args end up different I think
< 1227110539 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227110554 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want that circuit router done :|
< 1227110696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> amusingly, you can create gprolog by giving gplc a blank file as input <-- um the program generates the other one?
< 1227110719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1227110725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: gplc is a compiler
< 1227110732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gprolog's a Prolog interp with a debugger and such
< 1227110742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if gplc isn't given an initial goal, it links in a small interp so you can run the program
< 1227110750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the debugger's linked in unless you tell it not to
< 1227110761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227110959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice alternative to collabedit: http://etherpad.com/
< 1227111023 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :collaborative coding in that way sucks
< 1227111052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it's good for other things
< 1227111058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 & comex have used it extensively before
< 1227111061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(collabedit)
< 1227111065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etherpad seems faster.
< 1227111094 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good for what things?
< 1227111096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gobby works better but it isn't a website and takes about two months to install on Mac OS X
< 1227111118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: planning scams in Agora, for instance :-P I've used it for that before...
< 1227111126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and when it is installed it's awkward to use
< 1227111156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was pretty easy to use, actually
< 1227111167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it varies by OS
< 1227111168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, if it likes your platform it probably is.
< 1227111190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it uses about 5 different focus/window-creation mechanisms none of which you are familiar with, when its graphics keep redrawing itself oddly,
< 1227111198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it refuses to use a font bigger than like 4px by default...
< 1227111204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you can't use any of the common shortcuts in its editor... etc
< 1227111209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227111214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of that happened to me
< 1227111237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you're lucky, you use X11. (See wut i did thar? I said lucky and x11 in the same sentence. arf arf arf)
< 1227111241 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheh
< 1227111270 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227112058 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227112104 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227113167 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227114092 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You have any link that describes oklotalk? All I can find in the logs is examples.
< 1227114168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227114168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227114200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm
< 1227114206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what happened there
< 1227114212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was talking a second before
< 1227114235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh server is down
< 1227114235 0 :ais523!n=ais523@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227114238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi
< 1227114241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened there?
< 1227114250 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227114290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no idea
< 1227114294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I get it
< 1227114300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird's server rebooted
< 1227114302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, server crashed or something I believe
< 1227114304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and took my bouncer with it
< 1227114307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes that is rather strange
< 1227114310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact I'm here must mean the reboot worked
< 1227114310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to just reboot
< 1227114338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not crashed, deliberately rebooted
< 1227114344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after an upgrade
< 1227114411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: nope. i have a short spec/tutorial about it's simplified sister language oklotalk-- somewhere.
< 1227114441 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oklotalk has a few features i haven't even finished yet, even though the language was born mannny years ago
< 1227114552 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one? http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/oklotalk--.txt
< 1227114619 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's just an example program
< 1227114635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's in the articles somewhere randomly split into n pieces
< 1227114707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a subset of oklotalk with sexp syntax
< 1227114745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i was to lazy to make an actual parser, and there was a deadline because that was a highschool project
< 1227114760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably wouldn't have gotten even that implemented without a deadline
< 1227114779 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never do, which is why i wish there were esolang courses @ the uni
< 1227114887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like it if there was like a mandatory programming project every month. would prevent my slacking, because i'm quite a perfectionist when it comes to school (well university, i didn't give a shit about high school)
< 1227115042 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-076-064.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227115060 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand this line: (-> [$setcar h] h) ... wouldn't that just return the argument that was passed to it?
< 1227115072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1227115074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has weird scope
< 1227115079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you have an h in the "object" containing it
< 1227115084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the h in that pattern match overrides it
< 1227115089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it returns the new car that you provided it
< 1227115095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yes, it returns what you give, but with a side-effect
< 1227115100 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you should think of it as OO with function syntax.
< 1227115109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well dunno about "should", but you can, in that case.
< 1227115220 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ask why you can still have recursion... ;)
< 1227115284 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227115298 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227115320 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' is recusion?
< 1227115332 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's basically just a shorthand
< 1227115350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, also useful with lambdas i guess
< 1227115374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: ' = current func
< 1227115387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes it enables easy recursion
< 1227115394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it's not actually "recursion", it's just as well the c++ "this" pointer
< 1227115647 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ } = lambda, and (-> ) is pattern match?
< 1227115677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: {} = thing. it's the object/function thin
< 1227115677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1227115682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (-> ) is the pattern match on the args yeah
< 1227115710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-> pattern expr-to-eval expr-to-eval expr-to-eval...)
< 1227115712 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227115713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227115717 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227115805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the implementation may have a few features, especially regarding pattern matching, that aren't specced there.
< 1227115841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i added guards, as a special tuple
< 1227115889 0 :Asztal!n=chatzill@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227116430 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are strings implemented? list of atoms?
< 1227116548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my interp they were a python string. but a list of atoms would be nicer, or a list of characters.
< 1227116574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently there's nothing in the semantics that separates strings from lists.
< 1227116618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that strings have less functionality
< 1227116639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was simply too lazy to scrap the string implementation and just make them lists.
< 1227116647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would've taken like 10 minutes
< 1227116662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: are you implementing it?
< 1227116676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you are, you may need further info about the scoping.
< 1227116678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit complex
< 1227116716 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not that complex, but somewhat
< 1227116725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not a bit, somewhat"
< 1227116745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should think what i say
< 1227116801 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Well... I was trying to implement a redivider parser in oklotalk... but now that you mention it, it could be fun to implement an interpreter for oklotalk.
< 1227116839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing would be nicer if i'd implemented cutting and pasting lists... but you can do it already ofc, you just have to add the functionality yourself
< 1227116885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it'd be that hard to implement it, took me about a week of slowly typing it up, but that was mainly because i was making stuff up as i went
< 1227116947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted both static and dynamic scoping, and that wasn't all that hard to implement, the problem was i also wanted function parameters to be persistent so you could do something like that setcar thing
< 1227116960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately this meant you had to make a new object if you wanted to recurse.
< 1227116978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise the caller would've destroy its own variables
< 1227117023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's a runtime monitor on all objects, and an object is copied if it's made a call to from inside itself <<< this is what i didn't want you to ask about, but it's helpful if you want to try implementing
< 1227117238 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1227117249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi jix
< 1227117255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: that's okay i like getting pinged
< 1227117256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you just ping the whole of #esoteric by mistake, or just me?
< 1227117260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whole
< 1227117260 0 :Asztal_!n=chatzill@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227117271 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my old irc client /ping did ping the server and not the channel ^^
< 1227117284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm used to getting pinged because I keep losing connection without telling anyone
< 1227117286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah usually you have to quote it
< 1227117295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people talking to me tend to ping me a lot when I stop talking to find out if I'm here
< 1227117306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that good
< 1227117374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION leaves for a while
< 1227117632 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... an atom is any non-whitespace, non-alphanumeric, non-grouping character followed by non-whitespace, non-grouping? such as %abc ? Or is it just $abc, with a dollar sign?
< 1227117713 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[^\w\s()[\]{}][^\s()[\]{}]*
< 1227118177 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Made a Redivider implementation in JavaScript for no real reason:
< 1227118178 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :js> p.expr("1+(2*3)+4")[1]
< 1227118179 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123*4++
< 1227118185 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the example program there.
< 1227118261 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227118340 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add a link in the wiki :)
< 1227118367 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have a web page yet, just works in a JavaScript shell. Maybe I'll make a small page with an input form or something, and then link to it.
< 1227118381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: link to the source, he means
< 1227118406 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paste.eso-std.org/
< 1227118411 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, soonishly. It doesn't have any usage examples or anything.
< 1227118455 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/redivider.js.txt if you just want to see it, but I'll be polishing it up a bit more.
< 1227118479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you man, that's really short
< 1227118480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1227118506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks long to me
< 1227118509 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :714 lines, it's not really that short.
< 1227118531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is javascript OO?
< 1227118538 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want.
< 1227118544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1227118546 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a prototype-style OO, though.
< 1227118550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227118559 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can add methods to objects any way you wish.
< 1227118629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know js
< 1227118629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227118995 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: $ followed by alnum
< 1227119043 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1227119078 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ included?
< 1227119112 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. at least in actual oklotalk
< 1227119209 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :float numbers?
< 1227119219 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none.
< 1227119243 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can add them if you please, there's a rational number implementation, the one you linked.
< 1227119269 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :literal strings?
< 1227119303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the usual syntax.
< 1227119315 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double/single quoted?
< 1227119335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaddya think?
< 1227119369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't tell you because you can already deduce it yourself :P
< 1227119396 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double quoted, sure. But not all languages allow single quotes, or they mean different things.
< 1227119416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' = this
< 1227119417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember
< 1227119427 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, forgot
< 1227119440 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1227119776 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227119780 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227120203 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227120917 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227120922 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227121098 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227122084 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-130.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227122225 0 :M0ny!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-156-72.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227122805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone make up a nice-sounding word. That is short.
< 1227122832 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glurf
< 1227122883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is nice. now other people enter some and i shall pick the nicest, and you shall gain money*
< 1227122885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no money
< 1227123279 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227123305 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mony
< 1227123316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are you ignoring me or would you see a word I pasted?
< 1227123331 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: use a bot
< 1227123335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1227123346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well no I don't want to circumvent ignore
< 1227123349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is his own fault
< 1227123359 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true true
< 1227123417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that was a very dada two lines.
< 1227123434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said Deewiant: his own fault
< 1227123491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how about flyug
< 1227123499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolls off the tongue pretty nicely
< 1227123504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: maybe in finnish
< 1227123506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you pronounce it?
< 1227123507 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a lizard
< 1227123512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's quite hard to type
< 1227123570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i pronounce it like it's pronounced in finnish. i don't think you can express that in english
< 1227123597 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yu doesn't sound very nice to me
< 1227123598 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no it's not a very finnish word, unless you're a lizard
< 1227123617 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yu" can't exist in a finnish word.
< 1227123633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you don't like idd
< 1227123637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it
< 1227123647 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1227123660 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are some things that can't exist in finnish words which sound good
< 1227123664 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbelievably enough :-P
< 1227123683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well flyug for instance :O
< 1227123690 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not that one
< 1227123724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finns are so fun!
< 1227123728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally.
< 1227123863 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1227123865 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1227124458 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227124504 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION joins
< 1227126048 0 :Asztal!n=chatzill@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227127586 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLYUGZEUG.
< 1227127622 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the German word flugzeug 'aircraft'.
< 1227127668 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'flight-stuff'
< 1227127691 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tool" would be closer
< 1227127701 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gizmo"
< 1227127774 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tool is werkzeug
< 1227127808 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaand?
< 1227127828 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen das Zeug in itself mean anything other than "stuff" as an uncountable
< 1227127880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, as a singular? "es gab Zeug da" or something?
< 1227127891 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound right.
< 1227127919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :singular isn't the correct term...
< 1227127930 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncountable. :-P
< 1227127931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like milch and wasser and the like.
< 1227127932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227127997 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"uncountable." » "like, singular? no, that's not right." » "uncountable". » "yeah"
< 1227128009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227128013 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed that, sorry :P
< 1227128024 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stopped reading after "stuff"
< 1227128032 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason
< 1227128123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway, i haven't seen it used as an uncountable
< 1227128147 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i'd say it's the "kalu" in "työkalu".
< 1227128149 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only way I've seen it used alone
< 1227128153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a thingie.
< 1227128155 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sorat
< 1227128159 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/at/ta/
< 1227128176 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't have "ein Zeug".
< 1227128181 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have "Zeug".
< 1227128198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe so.
< 1227128434 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(google gives "das Zeug" as the first sensical result)
< 1227128462 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, and that's uncountable. Or a meaning I'm unaware of. :-P
< 1227128505 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even read context, but hmm right, that's true :D
< 1227128525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to do other stuff here, really end up doing nothing at all.
< 1227128603 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zoinks.
< 1227128813 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now Deewiant, how come we keep ending up in arguments about language? i mean, i don't even care about language!
< 1227128831 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then don't talk about it ;-)
< 1227128838 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling I've been the cause of at least some of those.
< 1227128884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go home, anyway
< 1227128887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye everyone
< 1227128896 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/
< 1227128898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1227128909 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wave-wave.
< 1227128920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I DON'T THINK O/ IS ACTUALLY ENGLISH
< 1227128928 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION leaves! ->
< 1227128946 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gneh, my Tampere train leaves in ten hours, and I'm still lacking slides for a presentationationary thing. :/
< 1227128947 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I don't think -> is
< 1227128963 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, according to people here "->" is a very Finnish thing.
< 1227128991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: in fact, in my opinion... nevermind
< 1227129005 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1227129874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1227129894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what would happen if an (email) bounce message would bounce
< 1227129904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it stop bouncing after a while or just continue?
< 1227129943 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double-bounces aren't usually sent out.
< 1227130002 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Postfix at least has a feature to deliver double-bounces to the postmaster account; I'm not sure if it even does that by default.
< 1227130121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think with the default configuration Postfix sends bounce messages using a suitable SMTP envelope address so that if the bounce bounces, it will be just discarded.
< 1227130202 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I'm sure there are numerous people who have managed to configure infinite email loops.
< 1227130239 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"grep -c TODO" gives me the number 11 for my LaTeX file. :/
< 1227130309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ouch
< 1227130322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, better hurry up then
< 1227130355 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be packing up things and all that fluff, too.
< 1227130385 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227130390 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227130450 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-079-241.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227130456 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@83-103-77-213.ip.fastwebnet.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227131026 0 :jix__!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-095-198.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227131139 0 :MizardX-!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227131146 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1227131150 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX
< 1227131323 0 :jix__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227131580 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1227131885 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227132250 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227132430 0 :warrie!n=Peggy@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227132906 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. S�, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."
< 1227133342 0 :Asztal_!n=chatzill@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227133465 0 :Asztal__!n=chatzill@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227133545 0 :Asztal___!n=chatzill@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227133726 0 :Asztal____!n=chatzill@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227133813 0 :Asztal_____!n=chatzill@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227133831 0 :Asztal_____!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow... 5 clones of me
< 1227133839 0 :Asztal_____!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst ISP ever
< 1227134001 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1227134006 0 :Asztal_____!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal
< 1227134187 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227134573 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227134596 0 :Asztal__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227134686 0 :Asztal___!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227134878 0 :Asztal____!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227134915 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227135817 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227138366 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1227138371 0 :MizardX-!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227138373 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX
< 1227138383 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227138505 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227138867 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-079-246.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227139311 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+"
< 1227140754 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-54-27.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227141038 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone mentioned my name
< 1227141044 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who, or for what purpose, I cba to tell
< 1227141103 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMEX, COME SAVE ME FROM AN EVIL WIZARD
< 1227141189 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about http://etherpad.com/
< 1227141221 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so collabedit clone?
< 1227141232 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227141339 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/08.11.19 at 08:10:58
< 1227141521 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame
< 1227141532 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kate plugin or something would be cooler
< 1227141538 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything that can do syntax highlighting
< 1227141543 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not a goddamn website
< 1227141547 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1227141582 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that can collaboratively edit/save existing code on one guy's drive would be pretty cool, I've never seen a good program though
< 1227143387 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
< 1227143790 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227143806 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gois
< 1227143894 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GENTLEMEN
< 1227144367 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAYS
< 1227145161 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227147037 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1227147413 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((.)S:^:^:^:^:^:^:^:^:^:^):^
< 1227147525 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... thutubot didn't return from the crash
< 1227150153 0 :Slereah_!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-83-45.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227150603 0 :Slereah!n=jewbutt@ANantes-252-1-83-45.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227150757 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1227151037 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1227151693 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]"
< 1227159512 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227165335 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227167999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1227168000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227168131 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A more challenging version of Five Clicks to Jesus: See how many times you can make it to Jesus in five clicks without ever reusing a page. http://codu.org/5ctj/
< 1227168293 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crap, there's no limit to how much time you can spend doing that
< 1227168446 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, of course?
< 1227169057 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, there is the length of my life, the heat death of the universe and/or the demise of the internet, whichever comes first
< 1227171099 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227173959 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227174128 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi GregorR
< 1227176718 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227184501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: ?restart=1 fails
< 1227188074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523
< 1227188093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1227191676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I submitted 5 clicks to jesus to reddit
< 1227191690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: which section?
< 1227191711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the main one, it should probably be in /r/pointlessgamesaboutjesusandwikipediaandsixdegreesofseperation or something
< 1227191827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your current clicks:
< 1227191828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google_book
< 1227191828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google_Book_Search
< 1227191829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google
< 1227191829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Censorship_by_Google
< 1227191829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Louisiana
< 1227191830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :United_States_of_America
< 1227191834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christianity_in_the_United_States
< 1227191836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus
< 1227191838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ can anyone do better than that from Google book?
< 1227192172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
< 1227192176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your current clicks:
< 1227192176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Face_(Benjamin_Zephaniah)
< 1227192176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Benjamin_Zephaniah
< 1227192177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rastafari_movement
< 1227192177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus_Christ
< 1227192182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 clix
< 1227192222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: fix the restart
< 1227192294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH
< 1227192318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1227192318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lag
< 1227192324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your current clicks:
< 1227192324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seyyed_Jafar_Kashfi
< 1227192325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iran
< 1227192325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christians_in_Iran
< 1227192325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus
< 1227192328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3clix
< 1227194435 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-122-145.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227195260 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227195664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/4264941.stm lol.
< 1227198013 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227200470 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227200612 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't got left eye!
< 1227200867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in the top 2 percent"
< 1227200868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1227200903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well aren't IQ tests quite inexact measurements
< 1227200912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/quite/rather/
< 1227200939 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geee
< 1227200939 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, i wouldn't say they test intelligence
< 1227200946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1227200949 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org is dead :D
< 1227200956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's irrelevant, being in the top 2% simply isn't news, is y point
< 1227200959 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*my
< 1227200971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i just think they could've left that out
< 1227200974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm
< 1227200984 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227200986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, connection issues for him I guess
< 1227200991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, 2% of the whole population or earth is in the top 2%
< 1227200992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poke him
< 1227201001 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's a lot of people.
< 1227201009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes logically
< 1227201011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on
< 1227201016 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my stupidity
< 1227201019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org is dead because i submitted it to reddit
< 1227201019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227201023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227201028 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got 138 in mensa test, dunno why\
< 1227201031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, however is it top 2% of the those who took the tests?
< 1227201033 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227201039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how representative is it?
< 1227201052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, does it even include those who didn't score so well
< 1227201055 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably clever people take it more likely than idiots
< 1227201058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: your host fucking sucks
< 1227201059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know.
< 1227201075 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: what do they ask?
< 1227201086 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227201094 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a book by mensa, with some kinda practise tests¨
< 1227201102 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can pretty much get everything right
< 1227201107 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're trivial
< 1227201109 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some things like finding mistakes
< 1227201120 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm?
< 1227201126 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two pics next to each other? :P
< 1227201131 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :werid questions like "what is the most simmilar thing to a half an apple"
< 1227201135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION advertises "crossworm"
< 1227201151 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yeah the retarded ones are sometimes hard
< 1227201157 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some stupid pictures and you must choose which variant is ok
< 1227201160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, um the other half unless it was asymmetrical
< 1227201167 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rright
< 1227201180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however I don't know if that is what they want or not
< 1227201191 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told the same ;p
< 1227201197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227201230 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i do not feel that IQ, i consider myself as a extremely stupid person ;p
< 1227201239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227201241 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing idiotic things all the time
< 1227201257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway IQ tests depend on stuff like culture, for the verbal tests and such
< 1227201265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and languages differ a lot
< 1227201319 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the test should be about algorithmics and mathematics
< 1227201330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're intelligent in some other subject, hey, i don't care!
< 1227201330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm certainly good at some things, but tricky questions is not my strength
< 1227201345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, heh indeed
< 1227201408 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227201434 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when intelligence comes with clumsyness it's for nothing
< 1227201438 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in my case :d
< 1227201465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, you mean like not being able to do the complex math without a paper and a pencil?
< 1227201470 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my behaviour indicates that i'm 5 year old retard :D
< 1227201483 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yea
< 1227201501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I can't do anything except basic calculations without paper and pen
< 1227201507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even better a graph calculator
< 1227201509 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yeah i have the same feeling about myself occasionally
< 1227201514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to see the problem written down
< 1227201538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't keep a lot of number/terms/whatever in in my brain at once
< 1227201585 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was in the finals of a mental calculation competition once
< 1227201593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227201598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really really suck at that
< 1227201610 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too, it's just others suck more
< 1227201617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1227201637 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227201642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't really do well in the finals
< 1227201643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, so can you take 146 + 325 in your head?
< 1227201644 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1227201645 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1227201646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1227201655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually lost because i didn't *go* to the finals xD
< 1227201656 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a chess master in my class in high school
< 1227201661 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy was enormous
< 1227201663 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my math teacher was soooo dissappointed
< 1227201672 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i forgot them)
< 1227201682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, heh
< 1227201687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what about the number?
< 1227201698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would need to write the calculation down
< 1227201698 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was wondering why i didn't remember any details
< 1227201731 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculate 53^7/2 .... five seconds .... Mat says: 587355569918.5
< 1227201732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about what number
< 1227201745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's mat?
< 1227201781 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :master chess player from my previous school
< 1227201792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :471
< 1227201800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/exec -o dc -e '146 325+p'
< 1227201800 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he had loads of RAM in his brain ;p
< 1227201801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw ;P
< 1227201808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now rpn is easy
< 1227201813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to convert to/from
< 1227201822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prefix/infix/rpn, all easy
< 1227201858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's too late to start practising that
< 1227201862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be pretty awesoe
< 1227201866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*awesome
< 1227201885 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea
< 1227201899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :53^7/2
< 1227201899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :587355569918
< 1227201900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm
< 1227201901 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a member of Mensa in my country. :)
< 1227201903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rounding mode?
< 1227201909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes BC
< 1227201911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bc*
< 1227201914 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use floats ;p
< 1227201916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i don't think it is, but i don't have proof either way
< 1227201923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, ah right.
< 1227201938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real geniuses know to stay away from other geniuses, because they're fuckwits.
< 1227201957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(%i1) float(53^7/2);
< 1227201957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(%o1)                         5.873555699185E+11
< 1227201972 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):001:0> 53**7/2.0
< 1227201973 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> 587355569918.5
< 1227201975 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p
< 1227201976 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geh... giantic ping to the server... I'll reconnect
< 1227201977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb?
< 1227201984 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Sanity shutdown"
< 1227201991 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227201996 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :end of work
< 1227201999 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1227202000 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227202019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (/ (expt 53 7) 2.0)
< 1227202019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :587355569918.5
< 1227202021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, ^
< 1227202027 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{MizardX} I'm a member of Mensa in my country. :)
< 1227202046 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that {} thing is nice
< 1227202069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nnscript just has a colon after the nick :|
< 1227202079 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use NNScript
< 1227202090 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah nnscript can be any things
< 1227202098 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean my nnscript, naturally
< 1227202102 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the Quark
< 1227202115 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theme
< 1227202126 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use the default, it's visuallicious
< 1227202202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine uses <>
< 1227202208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklopol> nnscript just has a colon after the nick :|
< 1227202210 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227202227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I would never use mirc
< 1227202232 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The full line: «18:28:37» {oklopol} i use the default, it's visuallicious
< 1227202242 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with colors ofc
< 1227202243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the full line was:
< 1227202255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18.27:49 <oklopol> nnscript just has a colon after the nick :|
< 1227202259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with colours
< 1227202260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some
< 1227202265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicks are blue here
< 1227202427 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Argh, whywould you reddit it X_X
< 1227202439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: because i like it
< 1227202441 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: And also, I've never had even the smallest problem with restart=1
< 1227202454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it piles on
< 1227202455 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah, but I wasn't necessarily done working out the kinks :P
< 1227202460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?restart=1 redirects to ?restart=1?
< 1227202462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, restart=1?
< 1227202462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to ?restart=1??
< 1227202462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc
< 1227202463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever
< 1227202483 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O
< 1227202488 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's never happened to me >_>
< 1227202523 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would fix it, but I can't connect to my server.
< 1227202528 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps because somebody reddit'd it.
< 1227202544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, null route it
< 1227202551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, what page was it btw?
< 1227202593 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I made a web-page version of the game five-clicks-to-jesus.
< 1227202607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, what is that game?
< 1227202615 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-18.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227202617 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://pici.se/326552/ :)
< 1227202618 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You go to a random Wikipedia page and try to get to Jesus in five clicks or less.
< 1227202634 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit, my hosting company is not going to be happy with me :P
< 1227202638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, ?
< 1227202647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, you can blame it on ehird
< 1227202658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he should pay for it obviously
< 1227202664 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're not going to be happy with me because I had to use leet hax to make it work 8-D
< 1227202675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, eh?
< 1227202701 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their PHP is in secure mode, which won't let you connect to (e.g.) Wikipedia from PHP, so I had to install my own PHP since they allow CGI :P
< 1227202706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, what about that picture?
< 1227202725 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quark theme in nnscript
< 1227202745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, yes and?
< 1227202756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not ehird's fault GregorR's afraid of fame and glory.
< 1227202775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, that would increase the load a lot
< 1227202791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, like not using php accelerator which they would probably use
< 1227202802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1227202810 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: norly lawl liek DUH THAT'S THE PROBLEM I'M SAYING THEY'LL KILL ME FOR
< 1227202820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, indeed
< 1227202823 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the reason I didn't want this being reddited or what not :P
< 1227202829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1227202850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, idea: do it on client side
< 1227202862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some ajax or whatever
< 1227202877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if it can connect to another site though
< 1227202878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1227202881 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The reason I did it server side was to make cheating impossible.
< 1227202886 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that :P
< 1227202896 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since JavaScript AFAIK can't connect to another server.
< 1227202936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, writing the cgi-script in C maybe could have helped.
< 1227202945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the bit that handles the remote connection
< 1227203086 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: What's your browser by the way? I think it's your browser that's effing up restart, not my server (per se)
< 1227203092 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That is, your browser is interpreting the URL wrong.
< 1227203092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :safari
< 1227203098 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAFARI SUX LAWL
< 1227203102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthx
< 1227203110 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just forwarded codu.org to google.com via DNS :P
< 1227203126 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it awesome that DNS changes propagate instantly
< 1227203146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, they don't afaik, even if ttl is short it still takes a bit
< 1227203151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it should help for how
< 1227203170 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last statement by me was sarcasm :P
< 1227203292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to point to one of those "reserved domain that goes nowhere" ads pages
< 1227203293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1227203310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, hm it already moved for me
< 1227203311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1227203480 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: WHY WOULD YOU KILL MY SERVER
< 1227203482 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: WHY
< 1227203496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, I was not aware that it could not handle being at #47151 or something on reddit
< 1227203565 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227203580 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it couldn't handle my bug causing infinite redirects (probably)
< 1227203594 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-156-72.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227203620 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1227203632 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm going to go take a shower while my DNS changes propagate.
< 1227203643 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hope like heck that this goes under the radar for my host.
< 1227203763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, slicehost don't mind you using a shitload of bandwidth over your limit, they just tell you to do something if it happens a lot.
< 1227204434 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slicehost costs a shitload of money.
< 1227204469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$20/mo is not a "shitload of money".
< 1227204549 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$20/mo four times as much as I'm currently paying.
< 1227204565 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With an "is" in there :P
< 1227204612 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That being said, I am now strongly considering switching ;)
< 1227204730 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about CPU time? Does slicehost monitor CPU usage?
< 1227204829 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'm buying an effing slice. Grrf.
< 1227205213 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227205257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Nope
< 1227205261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's shared between slices
< 1227205265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'll just end up taking littler slices cpu :P
< 1227205267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, with a slice you have to run your own apache and all. I'm sure you'll manage. :P
< 1227205274 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh.
< 1227205280 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's sort of the /advantage/ of SliceHost.
< 1227205280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1227205281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227205490 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now upgrading my slice to Lenny.
< 1227205492 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Etch sucks :P )
< 1227205516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1227205539 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, you can upgrade etch->lenny in some ~300MB? :P
< 1227206711 0 :AquaLoqua!n=anonym@dsl-245-30-204.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227206736 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now copying in his web page.
< 1227207168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION invented a voting system
< 1227207169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1227207233 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think you invented it, or you think YOU invented it?
< 1227207256 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, do you think you invented it rather than just remembering it, or do you think you were the first to invent it (which isn't really relevant)
< 1227207257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think *I* invented it.
< 1227207260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the latter.
< 1227207264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well.
< 1227207264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both.
< 1227207279 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227207281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let votes be the number of ballots entered.
< 1227207286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For each candidate:
< 1227207286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything you say can and will be irrelevant
< 1227207295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: stop disrupting my formatting.
< 1227207296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let votes be the number of ballots entered.
< 1227207299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For each candidate:
< 1227207308 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combo-braeker time would be this.
< 1227207310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  For each vote:
< 1227207318 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227207321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    (Votes are a list of candidates, in descending preferential order)
< 1227207339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Let likeifyness be the position of the candidate on the ballot.
< 1227207364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Let likeifyness2 be {1, 0.5, 0.25, 0.125, ...}[likeifyness].
< 1227207373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Increase the candidate's cool factor by likeifyness2.
< 1227207383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  The candidate's popularity is (cool factor)/(number of votes).
< 1227207391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, the candidate with the highest popularity wins.
< 1227207397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has this been invented?
< 1227207441 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227207444 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically everyone has infinite votes, but they decrease logarithically in value
< 1227207460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227207480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I developed this for b nomic, soo I'll just steal an exampel
< 1227207486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BP Teucer Codae
< 1227207486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird Teucer Codae BP
< 1227207486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teucer
< 1227207486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BP
< 1227207486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teucer BP Codae
< 1227207487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird BP Teucer Codae
< 1227207488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> Teucer wins
< 1227207494 0 :Asztal!n=chatzill@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227207507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because teucers popularity factor is about 0.5208
< 1227207511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the highest
< 1227207513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah okay now i get it.
< 1227207521 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly sounds very similar to some "everyone ranks all candidates they like" system I've heard about.
< 1227207542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's simple to describe, simple to count ballots with it, and seems to give good results.
< 1227207566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's a good system
< 1227207571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not oklopol
< 1227207627 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See "Preferential voting" in wikipedia; there's a list, it might be one of those.
< 1227207646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my argument was that when people list their preferences, they may not always know exactly what's the number one choice
< 1227207664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 1 vs. 0.5 for the two first factors
< 1227207672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this solves it, though
< 1227207674 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very essential you choose the first one right
< 1227207678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227207679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1227207686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it should be decreasing in another way?
< 1227207689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fibonacci?
< 1227207709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm comparing to just averaging positions of candidates...
< 1227207730 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, i'm not especially interested in humans :P
< 1227207823 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they use that sort of thing (but with points 1/1, 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, ...) in Nauru, or something like that.
< 1227207868 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Dana"
< 1227207897 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, probably it's reasonable to make people actually choose the exact best one, especially if only a small amount of things will win the vote anyway
< 1227207908 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also give everyone a fixed amount of voting power (that's pretty much what that thing does, anyway) and let them divide it whichever way they want. Though it's maybe a bit hard to handle those voters who vote 1/pi points for candidate A, 1-1/pi points for candidate B.
< 1227207920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that does sound better than 1/2^n
< 1227207943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you know what the problem is-
< 1227207955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with just averaging candidate's positions?
< 1227207959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BP Teucer Codae
< 1227207959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird Teucer Codae BP
< 1227207959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teucer
< 1227207960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BP
< 1227207960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teucer BP Codae
< 1227207962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird BP Teucer Codae
< 1227207964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=> In that election, Codae wins.
< 1227207988 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.
< 1227208007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, he shouldn't, if you look at the ballots
< 1227208010 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't say i understand that logic
< 1227208011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure
< 1227208014 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1227208017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either Teucer or BP wins
< 1227208018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well
< 1227208024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that thing
< 1227208031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(position+position+...)/num_of_votes
< 1227208032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1227208033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1227208038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yeah sure
< 1227208041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soo
< 1227208043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you calculate it
< 1227208044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codae wins
< 1227208046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with your method
< 1227208048 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I'll finally be able to have https://codu.org/ . That's something.
< 1227208051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BP or Teucer SHOULD win, if you look at it.
< 1227208055 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not possible.
< 1227208064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teucer has a smaller position in each and every vote
< 1227208087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so naturally his average position is smaller
< 1227208101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean is
< 1227208105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he SHOULD win with a decent system
< 1227208119 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codae should win?
< 1227208120 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(position+position+...)/num_of_votes_where_it_occurs is a more reasonable "average".
< 1227208123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227208127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teucer or bp should win with a decent system
< 1227208131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but codae wins with your stupid system :P
< 1227208143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's not possible
< 1227208145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, yeah, but then one vote at #1 makes that candidate win
< 1227208145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1227208149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just suck at math
< 1227208150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: umm
< 1227208152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with MY system
< 1227208154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teucer wins
< 1227208189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'd win with my system too, i can see that without any calculations.
< 1227208202 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, alternatively you could stick all non-voted at the same place to the end of the list, and then normalize the positions so that 0 is first, 1 is last.
< 1227208210 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the average positions of the guys then, in my system?
< 1227208255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if codae's average position is seriously less than teucer's, then there's something wrong with the world
< 1227208259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol:
< 1227208261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll /msg you
< 1227208280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, his positions are 3, 3, 3 and 4
< 1227208299 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teucer's is 2 2 1 1 3
< 1227208370 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird's not using an average of those numbers, because of the problem that if you just do that, then the guy who's #1 in someone's list and completely unvoted in others will get an average position of 1 and maybe even win.
< 1227208466 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyway the position is a bit silly-ish when the length of the candidate lists vary. Assuming you won't require everyone to rank the whole list in the preferred order.
< 1227208486 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could assign normalized positions to all candidates for all voters, though.
< 1227208528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird thought i meant the guys who get bad positions on average should win
< 1227208540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i find pretty reasonable, why wouldn't i suggest that
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< 1227208719 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, if only votes that mention candidate X count for choosing the best one, then very little known ones will only get votes from people who have a special reason to vote for them. so someone could win because only their family knew about them
< 1227208771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's obvious you should assume people who aren't mentioned in a vote should get some kinda negative feedback from that vote
< 1227208786 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "feedback", i have no words.
< 1227208799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my original method trumps all these so far :P
< 1227208820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: does it actually differ from what i suggested?
< 1227208830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1227208831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, assuming you don't do it in some retarded fashion
< 1227208836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has teucer winning that election
< 1227208853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who should win it?
< 1227208860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the Correct Outcome, intuitively, I'd say
< 1227208864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either teucer or BP
< 1227208866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooo
< 1227208868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it succeeds the test :P
< 1227208874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523.
< 1227208883 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 99% sure you'd get one of those with my method too
< 1227208912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you get me.
< 1227208912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1227208917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1227208925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it yourself.
< 1227208927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling you have no idea what i've been telling you.
< 1227208942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling that's nice
< 1227208944 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your "original" method is also not that original, given that it's just Borda count with a custom point-assignment; 1/2^n is not *that* different from 1/n, except that listing more than very few candidates becomes pointless very quickly.
< 1227209014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, whatever, I'll go with 1/n :P
< 1227209054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird
< 1227209060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that just a Borda count with different weights?
< 1227209063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1227209063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227209303 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Averaging normalized positions would give you the ranking: bp (.44), teucer (.55), ehird (.66), codae (.83). I'm not sure if that simplifies to Borda count with the correct assignment of weights, though.
< 1227209325 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it does, since it's pretty much just summing things up.
< 1227209339 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: teucer wins, bp a close second
< 1227209343 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're third
< 1227209348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codae is far back
< 1227209367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: umm
< 1227209370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show your calculatons.
< 1227209417 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made everyone who's not in the vote #5
< 1227209474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the point is, this is a trivial issue, and that it's clear either BP or teucer wins no matter how you implement it
< 1227209552 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voting systems seem to tend towards the complex, though... even the D'Hondt thing we use for parliamentary elections is not particularly simple.
< 1227209598 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think one of the student-organization-related elections did something utterly complicated, too.
< 1227209628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is d'hondt not simple
< 1227209629 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I'm at Tampere now. (Which probably says nothing to non-Finns, and even for Finnish people I don't think we have any locals here?)
< 1227209665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't think of a much simpler scheme to get parties in the system
< 1227209688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had been in turku, i'd have had a task for you.
< 1227209706 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both start with a T, so it's pretty close.
< 1227209755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately position biased hamming distance is not the thing we're looking for here
< 1227209759 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather physical distance
< 1227209783 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, if you insist on having the parties involved in the mess, I guess it's reasonably simple. Still, you *could* just count all votes per party, use that to set the amount of seats, and then use absolute order of candidates to select from within parties; that's simpler than the quotient messups.
< 1227209834 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh i can't see the crucial difference between those systems right away
< 1227209845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i still don't think it's complicated
< 1227209886 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do need to keep updating the numbers when you assign seats.
< 1227209897 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's not complicated in an absolute sense of the word.
< 1227209900 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not just sums. :p
< 1227209922 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're singing the "happy birthday" song in the hotel restaurant; the noise comes through my door.
< 1227209958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go sing along
< 1227209963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you in tampere?
< 1227209967 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hookers?
< 1227209994 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to give a presentation at http://www.cs.tut.fi/~varri/medinfo/PreSem8.htm
< 1227210041 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a HUT/TTY-arranged seminar thing to complement the Hatutus Fall seminar today-afternoon.
< 1227210113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noise Robust LVCSR Feature Extraction Based on the Stabilized Weighted Linear Prediction
< 1227210136 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hatutus being "the pattern-recognition research society of Finland" ("HAhmonTUnnistuksen TUtkimuksen Seura" is where the letters come from) or some-such. It's a bit of a punny name, since it also means something like "the putting-on of hats".
< 1227210147 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i could talk about that for like a whole course's worth.
< 1227210176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah also means the same as "vitutus" in some contexts
< 1227210184 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, too.
< 1227210186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i can't find a good translation for
< 1227210187 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "ketutus".
< 1227210197 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The state of being pissed of, maybe.
< 1227210207 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off, not of.
< 1227210215 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, right, guess you could break it down like that
< 1227210276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the task would've been to get me some coke, if you're wondering :P)
< 1227210293 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *did* wonder, but thought it unbecoming of me to ask.
< 1227210310 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that "coke" as in the soft drink, or "coke" as in the drug?
< 1227210315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, yeah.
< 1227210321 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, soft drink
< 1227210348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll usually for the other one in /sg
< 1227210349 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good, I'm not really sure how one would go about obtaining the latter.
< 1227210352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/msg
< 1227210382 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither, finland isn't really the best country for that
< 1227210431 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't even be here except that I happened to walk past my supervisor's room at the particular moment when his supervisor was there, and they were all "hey, you probably don't have anything better to do, go and prepare a presentation for this thing".
< 1227210484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you told the "k i'll whip something up about Noise Robust LVCSR Feature Extraction Based on the Stabilized Weighted Linear Prediction by this afternoon"?
< 1227210659 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the title of a conference paper draft I've been working on. :p
< 1227210666 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made some slides out of that content.
< 1227210712 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet quite sure what I'll say about it, but it's just 20 minutes, how hard could it be.
< 1227210956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: start talking about befunge
< 1227210958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half way through
< 1227210959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see who notice.
< 1227210960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1227211155 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think at least the aforementioned supervisors would. :p
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< 1227213144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227213165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
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< 1227213170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko
< 1227213176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko
< 1227213176 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko
< 1227213187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/ko/
< 1227213189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :point for miiiiii
< 1227213191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko
< 1227213198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: nope, I corrected oerjan's bad oko
< 1227213214 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko
< 1227213221 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah okay that's fine
< 1227213222 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko
< 1227213225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1227213233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey mine was first so there!
< 1227213233 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/ko/
< 1227213259 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko doesn't quite work with three people
< 1227213274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o(ko){8}
< 1227213644 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to write the word "proofreading" and has to correct himself three times
< 1227213648 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1227214166 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: any luck with your mod_rewrite project btw?
< 1227214174 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I've been doing about 6 other things at once
< 1227214180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't actually have mod_rewrite to test on
< 1227214205 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure mod_rewrite comes with apache by default
< 1227214209 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1227214273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, maybe
< 1227215426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: where's your nick fro?
< 1227215427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m
< 1227215495 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, well, actually, to tell you the truth, it's from the name "Fizban" in the Dragonlance series of fantasy books. Cut me some slack; I was so very young back then. (Then it morphed to "Fizzle" when the original was so often taken in IRC, then to "Fizzie" and finally to "fizzie".)
< 1227215535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also fizzle is like pizzle
< 1227215536 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should retcon a better etymology for it.
< 1227215563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dragonlance? most of my friends play d&d, i'm not judging you.
< 1227215564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good etymology, I like it
< 1227215619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely recalls a Fizban in a MUD he played when he was not quite very young
< 1227215629 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people complained that "fizzle" is too feminine; but they didn't mind "fizzie". Go figure.
< 1227215649 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pizzles aren't feminine
< 1227215666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess fizzle is a feminine pizzle. indeed, go figure
< 1227215752 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot find such a meaning of fizzle, but it _does_ mean "complete failure"
< 1227215774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was just going by Feminine pIZZLE
< 1227215786 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but okay, that may be even worse
< 1227215822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's call fizzie emininiep from now on
< 1227215827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it sounds good
< 1227215837 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the suggested etymology is that it originally meant "fart"
< 1227215841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "fizzle out" is an idiom in English
< 1227215866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like running out of power, but with more sparks and hissing noises and lightning and fire
< 1227215876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when a firework runs out of explosion
< 1227215879 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First google-hit of "fizzie" is "Fizzies - kids fruit-flavored, effervescent drink tabled"; and there are quite a lot of "bath fizzies" too. I guess it still beats the "complete failure" connotations.
< 1227217529 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org is now on SliceHost.
< 1227217546 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My old host suspended my account but the server is still fucked X-P
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< 1227217717 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEJ
< 1227217718 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p
< 1227217775 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hej på dig
< 1227217791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hemskt mycket hej
< 1227217818 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ja, er fint
< 1227217819 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p
< 1227217848 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not a real swede in sight
< 1227217856 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS IT SHOULD BE
< 1227217882 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in swedes
< 1227217904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're so tacky, in their blue swede shoes
< 1227217929 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HA HA U R SO CLEVER IMPART UR JOKITUDE UNTO US SIMPLTUNS
< 1227217965 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bad huh? :D
< 1227217988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, that is a really really bad pun
< 1227218005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: so in other words ehird just cost you lost of monet
< 1227218006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*money
< 1227218026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, i just submitted it to reddit.
< 1227218028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it barely got any traffic.
< 1227218033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus GregorR switched on the merits
< 1227218038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the suspension was just the instigator...
< 1227218048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wow, codu.org is fast now
< 1227218054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: what webserver are you using?
< 1227218058 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SliceHost
< 1227218065 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, software
< 1227218067 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apache2
< 1227218080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227218086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i switched eso-std.org over to nginx yesterday
< 1227218090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lot less memory usage, lot faster
< 1227218093 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y
< 1227218100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y
< 1227218190 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y
< 1227218197 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227218253 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well, so's your face.
< 1227218766 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i bet i can write something much faster than nginx for displaying "sometimes i fly around in a spaceship :>"
< 1227218785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: subdomains. have you heard of them
< 1227218786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: there are other things on that site too
< 1227218789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not linked from the homepage
< 1227218817 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: example?
< 1227218850 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://agora.eso-std.org/notary-report.html
< 1227218945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: you will have to take it on trust that eso-std.org is used a lot.
< 1227219094 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is agora
< 1227219122 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yh
< 1227219373 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, http://agoranomic.org
< 1227220381 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :werid
< 1227220399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: what do you think of it?
< 1227220413 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not think
< 1227220557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking is dangerous.  do _you_ want your head to explode?
< 1227220567 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'll try not to think about that
< 1227220585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thinking
< 1227220663 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*KABLAAM*
< 1227220682 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SHIIII....
< 1227221034 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Millions of years from now, upon exacvating the bedroom closet of the average American household, palentologists will conclude that for the species Homo Sapiens the male was bipedal and the female was centipedal."
< 1227221047 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as seen on IWC forum)
< 1227221080 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o
< 1227221215 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227221262 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227221281 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :centripetal
< 1227221385 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227221585 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still can't code that transistor placement algo
< 1227221606 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kiddles!
< 1227221679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can wires cross?  if not, do you know that the graph is planar?
< 1227221700 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227221746 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227221845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wires can cross
< 1227221920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_drawing can give some pointers
< 1227222059 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Routing_(EDA)
< 1227222072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Almost every problem associated with routing is known to be intractable."
< 1227222117 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227222121 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227222456 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea
< 1227222463 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read that
< 1227222644 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not about placing paths as connections
< 1227222664 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just placing elements on a square grid
< 1227223236 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-122-145.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227223457 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::<
< 1227223532 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is shit
< 1227224285 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. S�, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."
< 1227224529 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I've PERMAKILLED my old host :P
< 1227224544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227224557 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still down.
< 1227224564 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, who cares X-P
< 1227224592 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :carebear cares
< 1227224678 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pedobear
< 1227224698 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a relevant comment, you must be from the internet
< 1227224703 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227224736 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I IZ STOOPID TROL
< 1227224766 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
< 1227225035 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Teenage terrorists bring down web hosting service"
< 1227225049 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D:D:D:
< 1227225123 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1227225148 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227225152 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227225369 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teenage mutant ninja... pirates!
< 1227225518 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cat has decided she wants to be in my lap 24/7.
< 1227225631 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations, you're warmer than the surroundings
< 1227225647 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means you're probably alive (or died only recently)
< 1227225717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the cat can smell your love for it, and it gets a warm fuzzy feeling outta that
< 1227226604 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227226608 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227227668 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthxbye
< 1227227674 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;S
< 1227227723 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1227228377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1227231135 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+"
< 1227232675 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREGOR HAZ HTTPS
< 1227232717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1227232746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to wake up in about 3 hours :<
< 1227233861 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1227235023 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227235421 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227235724 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227238991 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1227239306 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1227239330 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227243617 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol
< 1227243622 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope youve fallen asleep
< 1227246276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hoped
< 1227247656 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(== i did fall asleep)
< 1227247662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now i leave ->)
< 1227248439 0 :habnabit!n=habnabit@208-106-1-198.dsl.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227248497 0 :habnabit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi guys! I imagine you don't see much python code, so I decided to fix that.
< 1227248499 0 :habnabit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.pocoo.org/show/91848/
< 1227248580 0 :habnabit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who says you can't do functional programming in python?
< 1227249528 0 :habnabit!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227249549 0 :habnabit!n=habnabit@208-106-1-198.dsl.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227249827 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :habnabit: please tell me it's not hand-written
< 1227249873 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the same people who say you can't do functional programming in Perl, yet   perl -e 'print &{&{sub { my $f = shift; return &$f($f); }}(sub { my $f = shift; return sub { my $n = shift; return 1 if $n < 2; return &{&$f($f)}($n-1) + &{&$f($f)}($n-2); }; })}(11), "\n";'   is a perfectly fine and very functional recursive fibonacci.
< 1227249873 0 :habnabit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, it is 100% hand-written.
< 1227249904 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... what is it supposed to do?
< 1227249910 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just terminated without output
< 1227249912 0 :habnabit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a chat server.
< 1227249923 0 :habnabit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to add 'main(some_port_number)' at the end if you want to run it.
< 1227249926 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh, it's a function definition
< 1227249930 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool!
< 1227249946 0 :habnabit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet works as a client. It uses CRLF as a delimiter.
< 1227249967 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're probably nuts.
< 1227249975 0 :habnabit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It handles SIGINT and SIGTERM gracefully, too.
< 1227250075 0 :habnabit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah. I probably am crazy, but I love writing obsfucated python.
< 1227250292 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :xor
< 1227250347 0 :xor!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood
< 1227250502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, I feel evil.
< 1227250519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For my CS class, I've been asked to do merge sort and quick sort without recursion.
< 1227250528 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I have implemented a full call stack in C.
< 1227250538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(instead of the somewhat crazy way they wanted it done)
< 1227250580 0 :habnabit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With setjmp/longjmp?
< 1227250632 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, though that is tempting.
< 1227250641 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you familiar with the unary && operator?
< 1227250649 0 :habnabit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1227250687 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :&& returns the address of a goto label.
< 1227250694 0 :habnabit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahaha.
< 1227250765 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack of that and the rest of the state of my code, and a few gotos.
< 1227250767 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D
< 1227250832 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I got a new server for Codu, Plof Hg is now accessible via https :P
< 1227250867 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Hooray.
< 1227251609 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not "C", though -- that's GCC.
< 1227251820 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's GNU C.
< 1227251845 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately for me, this class uses GNU C++... Which means I can do this crazy shit and get away with it.
< 1227253185 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat"
< 1227254399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1227254400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227255530 0 :jix!n=jix@paed-gw.schule.bremen.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227255537 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227255544 0 :jix!n=jix@paed-gw.schule.bremen.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227255549 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227257070 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
< 1227257086 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
< 1227258667 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227259916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obfuscation is trivial
< 1227259929 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, seems i'm scrolled up.
< 1227259938 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes less sense in whatever context i happen to be saying it in.
< 1227259981 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :habnabit: i have an irc bot that runs brainfuck written in that style
< 1227259987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it isn't obfuscated
< 1227260072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/python.txt though that's just the interp, but the irc stuff is trivial ofc
< 1227260086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure where i have the actual botter
< 1227260424 0 :habnabit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat.
< 1227260463 0 :habnabit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I cheat a little and use a dynamically-created dict subclass as a namespace instead of abusing function arguments.
< 1227260486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that would be less verbose
< 1227262681 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Obfuscation is easy.
< 1227262702 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And using goto in a low-level CS course for good reason is just silly.
< 1227263887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well i think trivial is a special case of easy, but i agree, it's easy.
< 1227263945 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, goto is often silly
< 1227264324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's silly is using goto to implement a call stack.
< 1227264346 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i read your idea, was pretty great imo
< 1227264359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hacking never gets old
< 1227264369 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227264391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, the code in question works on my desktop computer, not the CS labs' computers...
< 1227264404 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shakes his fist at GCC 3
< 1227264487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. now you made me want to do something.
< 1227264489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what
< 1227264558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an exercise in AOCP made me think it might be pretty cool to make like an esoteric programming book, would be pretty esoteric
< 1227264582 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, introduce the best languages, and techniques for different paradigms
< 1227264611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be pretty cool.
< 1227264618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps some more formal treatment too, P'' and TM's and shit
< 1227264631 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of a three-part structure
< 1227264658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one part that's about compiling languages to others, that is, making layers of abstractions on languages
< 1227264678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :characterize the overhead of paradigm changes a bit, and stuff like that
< 1227264712 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, something about programming directly in esolangs, visualizing things to yourself, and golfing, naturally
< 1227264720 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227264737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have tons to say about these subjects, but i don't know if i'm structured enough to make an actual book.
< 1227264750 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm a bit too lazy to try... i think, maybe i could try to try.
< 1227264820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a third part i was thinking the more formal stuff, proving esoprograms right and complexities, more formal treatment about the overhead of compilation between paradigms
< 1227264916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course, tons of exercises, would definitely be the most fun set of exercises ever, if done well (non-biased objective opinion)
< 1227264925 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi KingOfKarlsruhe
< 1227265002 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol
< 1227265030 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it hanging heathens?
< 1227265353 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean me?
< 1227265489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know tbh. i'm so tired and hungry i'm talking in metaphors and mirages.
< 1227265541 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tired and hungry too^^
< 1227265558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i slept about 2.5 hours last night
< 1227265656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking at the rate I'm going, I'm going to completely omit sleep today.
< 1227265767 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pretty much have to read, or i won't reach my daily reading quota
< 1227265783 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have to sleep
< 1227265784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227265814 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is slowly turning into a bibliophiliac, or whatever the term is
< 1227266016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dream theater instrumentals = perfection
< 1227266826 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-45.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227266831 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sup party people
< 1227266915 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227266932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no party
< 1227266936 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we forgot your birthday
< 1227267098 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw :(
< 1227267111 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too, 'cause it's actually in 10 monts.
< 1227267124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah! mine is sooner
< 1227267156 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my age will be a composite number for ages after that :<
< 1227267156 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT MINE WAS A SHORTER AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE
< 1227267192 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I have to actually program something useful.
< 1227267196 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel so dirty D:
< 1227267204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dirrrrty? how so
< 1227267232 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I morally should not do this D:
< 1227267251 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to program a simulation of a thousand particles.
< 1227267271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well can you at least write it in an unlanguage?
< 1227267279 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it's in C.
< 1227267301 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is making just the right tool for you then
< 1227267326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to go buy a food
< 1227267332 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one?
< 1227267337 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what is pikhq doing?
< 1227267343 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A particle automaton or something?
< 1227267367 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his making c recursion prettier
< 1227267373 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*he
< 1227267377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*'s
< 1227267396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, only one food
< 1227267397 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's to be done in regular c, me think!
< 1227267403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm only one man
< 1227267408 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, I won't use recursion I think.
< 1227267416 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just needs two loops.
< 1227267422 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227267429 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One over all time and one over all particles.
< 1227267432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have like gravities and shit?
< 1227267446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have collitions?
< 1227267449 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. It's the simulation of a gas.
< 1227267457 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*collisions
< 1227267464 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000 classical particles, with three collision probabilities.
< 1227267479 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that latter thing mean
< 1227267480 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(elastic collision, one with losses and one with gain)
< 1227267484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227267486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gain?
< 1227267489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1227267491 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1227267498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean
< 1227267506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that occur in nature
< 1227267511 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means that after the collision, the particle has more kinetic energy
< 1227267514 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1227267529 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a quantum thingamagig.
< 1227267550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rright, yeah, i wouldn't know anything about that
< 1227267564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you aiming for with this?
< 1227267572 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something revolutionary i bet
< 1227267576 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting a good grade, mostly.
< 1227267581 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a school thing.
< 1227267583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only ever written programs with *one* loop
< 1227267593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a whole new dimension for me
< 1227267643 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no gravity? you can boost this quite a lot with hashing then
< 1227267645 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :collisions that is
< 1227267661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I was asked to do merge sort and quick sort without recursion.
< 1227267666 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The collisions aren't really done though, you know, a collision.
< 1227267672 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're probabilities.
< 1227267676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I implemented a call stack. Hooray.
< 1227267691 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an application of the class on random number generators.
< 1227267707 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it's a Boltzmann distribution, so it's a bit harder D:
< 1227267754 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: right, i have no idea about any of this
< 1227267770 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sounds fascinating
< 1227267773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOOD ->
< 1227267791 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Only one (1))
< 1227268027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1227268042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, are you looking for a good RNG?
< 1227268046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRNG*
< 1227268097 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1227268097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blum_Blum_Shub is fairly secure iirc though slow
< 1227268115 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1227268131 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No need, we use the generator they gave us in class.
< 1227268139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227268146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, what one is it?
< 1227268171 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a mix of the (a * n) + b thingamagig and the registry moving one.
< 1227268182 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"G�n�rateur r�aliste" we call it.
< 1227268191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1227268198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1227268207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, I'm not really an expert on that stuff
< 1227268228 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_congruential_generator
< 1227268230 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one
< 1227268249 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... that one, I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_feedback_shift_register
< 1227268356 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's only to generate an equiprobable number between 0 and 1 though
< 1227268365 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hard part is to do the distribution.
< 1227268422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarrow_algorithm looks nice
< 1227268437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, what are you going to use ifor?
< 1227268439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it for*
< 1227268479 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in a box of particles, the speed of those particles at thermal equilibrium is defined by a statistics.
< 1227268502 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The simplest model is the Maxwell-Boltzmann statistic.
< 1227268502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simulation?
< 1227268506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe mersenne then
< 1227268507 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1227268515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mersenne_twister
< 1227268518 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, as said, we use what we get in class.
< 1227268521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was developed for simulations iirc
< 1227268523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, well true
< 1227268528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is no fun :/
< 1227268532 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's what they use at work!
< 1227268550 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I feel dirty, AnMaster
< 1227268560 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to do reasonable things D:
< 1227268573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1227268641 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1227268654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonable, sigh
< 1227268735 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1227268948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
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< 1227272573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227273372 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227275423 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227275468 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1227276499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais
< 1227276500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:
< 1227276713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227276725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an algo that loops through an array twice is O(n), right?
< 1227276729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since O(n*2) = O(n)??
< 1227276752 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227276769 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it refers to the degree of the polynom.
< 1227276781 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. I mostly use the O that means pretty much the opposite.
< 1227276840 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(O(x) in science means ax + bx� + cx^3 + ...)
< 1227276982 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly inaccurate
< 1227277081 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, one is the limit as n -> infinity, the other as x -> 0
< 1227277099 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's the rigorous definition.
< 1227277109 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you do physics, though, it's pretty much that.
< 1227277120 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cause it usually pops up from infinite series.
< 1227277124 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a function can be O(x) without being analytic
< 1227277138 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes indeed.
< 1227277157 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be O anything, technically.
< 1227277221 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what amuses me is, in computer science, a big O is bad.
< 1227277226 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in science, it is good :o
< 1227277240 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n^5) is pretty awesome.
< 1227277385 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227277802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: for i=1..n: for j=1..n: do stuff is O(n^2); for i=1..n: do stuff; for j=1..b: do stuff; is O(n) (=O(2n)).
< 1227277820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter
< 1227278938 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:13… Slereah_: (O(x) in science means ax + bx² + cx^3 + ...) <<< i don't get it, explain
< 1227278963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qntm.org/?gay graph marriages
< 1227280054 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good read, thanks
< 1227280184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah the idea of graph marriages is nice, but we definitely need directed edges, and edge weights
< 1227280208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i'm not gonna marry psygnisfive no matter how many times he asks, but i guess i could marry him a *little*, that wouldn't be so bad.
< 1227280265 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess there's already facebook for that kinda thing
< 1227280413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :marry him a little
< 1227280413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1227280424 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227280451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oklopol... will you marry me 0.5714?"
< 1227280478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"make that 0.4836 and we have a deal"
< 1227280498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"my heart already belongs 0.683 to someone else, but i guess i could give you like 0.249"
< 1227280554 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was hoping for some good old haggling here
< 1227280570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227280598 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :engagement wouldn't be needed either, you could just marry people gradually, over time
< 1227280611 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there could be functions over time attached on the edges!!
< 1227280626 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could get married over the course of two years
< 1227280718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing botte discuss.
< 1227280765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to wryte a botte is a moste eloquente thinge
< 1227280768 0 :fizziet!n=fis@MMCCXVIII.gprs.saunalahti.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227280779 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziet: okay *that's* feminine
< 1227280780 0 :fizziet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get so utterly bored in trains.
< 1227280798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1227280802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was some disjointed conversationn
< 1227280813 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i want coke
< 1227280817 0 :fizziet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, my normal client is not here.
< 1227280824 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll skip the obvious joke
< 1227280828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, so you don't even have an excuse!
< 1227280841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can't. do it
< 1227280845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dance boogie
< 1227280855 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziet: although you are perfectly poised for making shakespeare jokes
< 1227280881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although really we would need hiato here...
< 1227280919 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this would nicely converge the two last conversations
< 1227280920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziet: have you considered sleeping?
< 1227280936 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm why hiato?
< 1227280955 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it ends with -o
< 1227281025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :okleo
< 1227281060 0 :okleo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o fizziette, how beautifully is thine facette on this day so brighte!
< 1227281065 0 :okleo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*beautifulle
< 1227281069 0 :okleo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could so write shakespeare
< 1227281082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss
< 1227281090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's missing!
< 1227281094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so is thutubot!
< 1227281102 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fungot wherefore art thou fungot?
< 1227281116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where did thututbot go, I wonder?
< 1227281117 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227281125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just a good thing i am writing botte
< 1227281127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ehird rebooted rutian
< 1227281129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again
< 1227281133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1227281134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523:
< 1227281136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we upgraded
< 1227281136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder ehird wanted to wryte a botte
< 1227281139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you an amnesiac now
< 1227281154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, your upgrade rebooted rutian
< 1227281156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and killed thutubot
< 1227281161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, is that my fault?
< 1227281165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a full upgrade.
< 1227281172 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ais523 uploaded himself, you reset him too
< 1227281175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did shit to everything. it needed a reboot
< 1227281185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, iirc the installer didn't even give me a choice
< 1227281188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know
< 1227281262 0 :thutubot!n=thutubot@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227281269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+hello
< 1227281269 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, ais523!
< 1227281271 0 :fizziet_!n=fis@MKCMXIII.gprs.saunalahti.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227281271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1227281286 0 :fizziet_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, the previous one disconnectied abruptly.
< 1227281301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((Hi! )S:^):^
< 1227281302 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi! Hi!  ...too much output!
< 1227281366 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizziet_ is connecting from a sauna in lahti?
< 1227281388 0 :okleo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually saunalahti means a lahti containing a sauna
< 1227281398 0 :okleo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lahti is also a word
< 1227281402 0 :fizziet_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saunalahti ("Sauna bay") is a very common place name in Finland.
< 1227281411 0 :fizziet_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's also a finnish ISP/mobile operator.
< 1227281418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with the subsubdomain name? it almost looks like roman numerals but has K in
< 1227281427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those crazy finns
< 1227281436 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((.)S:^:^:^:^:^:^:^:^:^:^):^
< 1227281440 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :................................................................................................................................ ...too much output!
< 1227281440 0 :fizziet_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure; but I think the roman numerals correspond directly to the IP.
< 1227281475 0 :fizziet_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "directly" in the sense that it's some base address + the roman numeral number.
< 1227281478 0 :fizziet_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what they use K for, though.
< 1227281481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 9013 MKAY
< 1227281539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K = 10000 would make sense, possibly
< 1227281552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's 9908
< 1227281595 0 :fizziet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227281665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okleo: you are not fooling anyone all norwegians know Lahti is a place where they do skiing
< 1227281682 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so clearly you would want a lot of saunas for afterwards
< 1227281745 0 :okleo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well naturally there are saunas in lahti, finnish homes are basically saunas with a second oven for cooking and another set of seats for sleeping.
< 1227281766 0 :okleo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just meant the composite noun doesn't mean Lahti, that's just not how composites nouns fork.
< 1227281793 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227281821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true that.  i've found it weird that greek nouns sometimes _do_ fork that way
< 1227281824 0 :okleo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws some water on the oven, getting cold
< 1227281872 0 :okleo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph, god i hate it when things refuse to happen
< 1227281921 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. philosophia = love of knowledge, from philos = lover and sophia = knowledge or something like that
< 1227281986 0 :okleo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i've often wondered about that, actually
< 1227282029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't found a reference for this though
< 1227282902 0 :fizziet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Disconnecting to conserve the phone's battery."
< 1227283340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going for a while
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< 1227284756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1227284974 0 :okleo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the university is not good for me, i'm actually making an uml diagram for my own purposes atm.
< 1227284977 0 :okleo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklo
< 1227286896 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-112-55-229.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227286931 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-149.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227287539 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227288214 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227288327 0 :Asztal!n=chatzill@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227289586 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227290193 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ceci n'est pas un anniversaire.
< 1227290210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what in particular isn't it a birthday of?
< 1227290245 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Magritte
< 1227290269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm aware of the whole ceci n'est pas thing
< 1227290274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it Magritte's birthday, I wonder?
< 1227290302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recommends clicking the link
< 1227290316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it is
< 1227290569 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227290610 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-130-100.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227291657 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-156-72.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227291713 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1227291727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ceci n'est pas un plop
< 1227291733 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1227291770 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not a plop?
< 1227291780 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1227291806 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why ?
< 1227291819 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegians, norwegians
< 1227291831 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also isn't Magritte's 110th birthday
< 1227292734 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-64-45.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227293342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not a line not sent on a non-existing protocol not called irc
< 1227293364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a true statement...
< 1227293369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be
< 1227293374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got confused
< 1227293379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the third negation
< 1227293393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so tell me if it is true or not
< 1227293410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is true, two ways
< 1227293413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was sent on IRC
< 1227293418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it wasn't sent on a protocol not called IRC
< 1227293424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it wasn't sent on a protocol that didn't exist
< 1227293431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the master of nested negations would be Marwin in HHGTG
< 1227293452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it collapses to not ((line sent not on IRC) and (line sent on nonexistent protocol))
< 1227293458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1227293468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure?
< 1227293476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this is not a line not sent.."
< 1227293484 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1227293484 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1227295599 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@084202205031.customer.alfanett.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227295756 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227296964 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227296978 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227298037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, sure
< 1227298060 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1227298138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227298139 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227299341 0 :ab5tract!n=ab5tract@pool-71-246-5-13.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227300313 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.jaoo.dk/2008/11/21/art-and-code-obscure-or-beautiful-code/ -- history of programming languages, 20 minutes in and they've already covered even befunge and piet :-)
< 1227301586 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intercal at 43 minutes
< 1227301760 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227302121 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shakespeare at 51
< 1227302252 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they even present a shakespeare program as a play :-))
< 1227302259 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. act it out
< 1227302321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should convert that video to a format I can actually see
< 1227302347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, same
< 1227302353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't watch it either
< 1227302743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this url may work http://e6.video.blip.tv/0720006203922/Krab-50In50ByRichardPGabrielAndGuyLSteele278.avi
< 1227302746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after testing
< 1227302778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I just realised that an hour-long avi is probably not good to download
< 1227302786 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's over an hour
< 1227302788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that IIRC it's uncompressed
< 1227302792 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd estimate 80-90 minutes
< 1227302923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there are other formats there
< 1227302940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://blip.tv/file/1472720/
< 1227302994 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AVI should be compressed
< 1227303003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, 148 MB *shrug*
< 1227303011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the formats there are ones I can easily view, really
< 1227303013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind
< 1227303027 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What /can/ you easily view? O_o
< 1227303036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ogv
< 1227303040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1227303042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably that's about it, tbg
< 1227303043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogv?
< 1227303046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tbh
< 1227303048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ogg Theora
< 1227303050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogg?
< 1227303050 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points to http://www.videolan.org/
< 1227303053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to be .ogg
< 1227303056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that *.ogg
< 1227303064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they changed the extension to avoid ambiguity with Ogg Vorbis
< 1227303064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is ogg vorbis then?
< 1227303067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogt?
< 1227303069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::Å
< 1227303070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P*
< 1227303074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ogg for Vorbis, .ogv for Theora
< 1227303079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :illogical
< 1227303084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v for video I think
< 1227303091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1227303102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still ogv/otg would have made more sense
< 1227303104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I use flac
< 1227303104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227303107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my music
< 1227303135 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's .ogm, then?
< 1227303176 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :often xvid/divx in an ogg
< 1227303343 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HQ9+ at 67 minutes
< 1227303372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I prefer flac for my music
< 1227303381 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I saw that
< 1227303389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better sound quality really
< 1227303399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and about half the size of the raw format
< 1227303401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or less
< 1227303411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and loseless
< 1227303475 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For purity's sake I keep stuff in a lossless format when possible even though I can't tell the difference between it and lossy
< 1227303487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227303982 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice vid
< 1227303989 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1227304008 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to take a break to make me some noodles
< 1227304027 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i wish i wasn't so goddamn tired, i miss some of the awesome jokes :P
< 1227304427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha at APL
< 1227305871 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227306340 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227308213 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227308574 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227308581 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hei
< 1227308637 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moi
< 1227308941 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moronnääs.
< 1227309254 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nt
< 1227309274 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a perfectly valid greeting.
< 1227309321 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a bit dialecty.
< 1227309323 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nt?
< 1227309358 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, "moronnääs". My only connotation for "nt" is "no text".
< 1227309370 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Windows NT, maybe. New Technology, was it?
< 1227309376 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually greet people with a random syllable if i know them well enough to stop for a chat
< 1227309391 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for people i just greet and walk by, i usually just open my eyes real wide
< 1227309393 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually greet people with "arrr".
< 1227309395 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stare at them
< 1227309403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fizzie
< 1227309410 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello.
< 1227309414 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...some don't understand that's a greeting, i've been told i'm scary
< 1227309442 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.eso-std.org/ is broken :(
< 1227309457 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pb.vjn.fi for all your pasting needs
< 1227309479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, rafb.net/paste
< 1227309526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is quite a lot of those things around.
< 1227309533 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was thinking of uploading a new version of my redivider parser. This one isn't limited by the python stack.
< 1227309542 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it takes 5 minutes to code and everyone has a place to put one int
< 1227309543 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in
< 1227309547 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone needs them
< 1227309554 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i wouldn't say that's surprising
< 1227309558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes I plan to create a list
< 1227309563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just paste things to .txt files in my ~/www/ ... maybe I should join the new millennnnnium some day.
< 1227309569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the definite guide to five star pastebins
< 1227309593 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vjn.fi/pb is the best i've seen
< 1227309605 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't imagine a better one really
< 1227309611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklo, no syntax highlight
< 1227309613 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaa
< 1227309614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not for me
< 1227309614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vjn.fi/pb <--- ais523 gives themself a link to click on
< 1227309625 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not have left eye
< 1227309642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, is that random or a true statement?
< 1227309649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though bad grammar
< 1227309656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.lisp.org/new
< 1227309659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can recommend it
< 1227309660 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax highlighting isn't that useful
< 1227309668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for competent syntax highlight of erlang
< 1227309669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp
< 1227309672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and various other languages
< 1227309686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell too
< 1227309696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the captcha is static
< 1227309698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always lisp
< 1227309699 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hazzzzzkel
< 1227309724 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh i read "enjoy your paste"
< 1227309731 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. not sure that would've been weird
< 1227309741 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably would
< 1227309763 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wind + broken glass killed my eye!
< 1227309786 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you serious?=
< 1227309798 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1227309801 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was a pirate joke
< 1227309804 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first
< 1227309810 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227309817 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i look like a pirate now
< 1227309827 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like, officially broken?
< 1227309829 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably they will manage to repair that
< 1227309842 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1227309843 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it fscking hurts
< 1227309852 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've always said the wind is of the devil.
< 1227309870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1227309889 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err.
< 1227309896 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just walking down the street during this ff.... hurricane
< 1227309900 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lisp pastebin doesn't give you the link, huh?
< 1227309901 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then OUCH!
< 1227309933 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you have to give a nickname
< 1227309970 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the problem with pastebins, i just want to share stuff as quickly as possible, almost every pastebin has their own useless additions.
< 1227309975 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just stupid
< 1227310032 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was contemplating buying me a pair of those big glasses snowboarders use
< 1227310047 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because my eyes hurt for hours after being in the wind for a wihle
< 1227310048 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*while
< 1227310064 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and third random topic, fizzie, how went the talk?
< 1227310099 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get to strip naked?
< 1227310111 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LS
< 1227310113 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you start with "moronnääs"?
< 1227310115 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1227310118 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's LS?
< 1227310124 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1227310126 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's LS?
< 1227310131 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't aim right keys on the keyboard
< 1227310137 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should try doing something. i've been doing nothing all day
< 1227310141 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LS -> :D
< 1227310150 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1227310222 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some experiment where this guy used some kinda oculifiers to turn the world into a mirror image, then lived through that for a month and learned to operate perfectly with it
< 1227310225 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to try that
< 1227310251 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklo: No stripping, no "moronnääs" (although the location would've been appropriate for that, I guess); actually there was nothing especially interesting about how it went. Not too much people in the audience, pretty much only the other presenters and a couple of random colleagues of theirs.
< 1227310279 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's moronn��s?
< 1227310281 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you get moneys?
< 1227310295 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's a greeting used in a town in finland
< 1227310320 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyvaa paivaa
< 1227310324 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this town has its own greeting?
< 1227310338 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: all towns have their own words
< 1227310338 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parasta ennen
< 1227310351 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I)_I
< 1227310354 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1227310355 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O
< 1227310355 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklo: No. Well, I did get to count it as a work-day. I don't think people usually tend to pay for seminar-presentation-style talks; real lecture-style things are a different matter, of course.
< 1227310368 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i suggest learning sentences you can write with your keyboard :P
< 1227310403 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean?
< 1227310419 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is it you do for work if you don't mind my curiousity?
< 1227310422 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it's hyvää päivää
< 1227310440 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ä's look weird, nnscript just won't learn.
< 1227310451 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :śó fąkińg whąt?
< 1227310452 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :�'s looking fine to me
< 1227310473 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklo: Speech recognition research, pretty much.
< 1227310475 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: in hyvaa paivaa, all the a's have umlauts
< 1227310489 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, i know that
< 1227310499 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was too lazy to open char map
< 1227310502 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without the umlauts it's just gibberish :)
< 1227310548 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly easy to read considering finland very rarely has any link between a's and ä's
< 1227310552 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Polish internet speak almost nobody uses ąóńćęłżźś
< 1227310578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklo: The slides for today's (well, yesterday already) thing are at http://zem.fi/~fis/tampere08.slides.pdf but I guess they don't make much sense without the presentation part.
< 1227310591 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it becomes hilarious
< 1227310611 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ä and a
< 1227310621 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Introduction
< 1227310623 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far so good
< 1227310628 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The \standard" mel-frequency cepstral coecient (MFCC)
< 1227310629 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based feature extraction is relatively sensitive to noise
< 1227310633 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ä' and 'a', or 'ö' and 'o' are pretty different sounds.
< 1227310641 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUH? please repeat that i must have misheard
< 1227310649 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :polish is weird... way too many 'sz'-sounds
< 1227310655 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, seems like there's a "ff" ligature there.
< 1227310663 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it "ffi" even?
< 1227310675 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i doubt that'd make much sense to me with the presentation either ;)
< 1227310683 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227310688 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ffi' unless coefficient is misspelled in the original text :)
< 1227310712 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if you actually require me to know something about the standard mel-frequency cepstral coefficient
< 1227310726 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone there was speech people, I didn't much explain the basics.
< 1227310733 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"zrób mi łaskę" means "do me a favour", but "zrob mi laske" (which should mean the same) means "do me a blowjob"
< 1227310735 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MFCCs are explained later on, though.
< 1227310774 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next slide, actually.
< 1227310784 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some values of "explained", anyway.
< 1227310802 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: heh, maybe you should asciiize your orthography :)
< 1227310809 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't mention what's the point, but...
< 1227310813 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;]
< 1227310818 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :window the input signal into overlapping frames
< 1227310823 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you have some string as input
< 1227310828 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you kinda cut it into pieces
< 1227310830 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they overlap
< 1227310831 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..?
< 1227310841 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's audio data what we get as input.
< 1227310847 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally
< 1227310851 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just generalizing
< 1227310879 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, wroclav -> vrotswaf (obviously the choices are arbitrary though)
< 1227310881 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, we cut something like 16 millisecond frames out of it, and for each frame advance the starting point by 8 ms, so they end up overlapping.
< 1227310894 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estimate the log of the amplitude spectrum... what's the definition of logarithm for a spectrum..?
< 1227310928 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the logarithmic value for the amplitudes.
< 1227310940 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1227310941 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: wrocław, it is
< 1227310942 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::>
< 1227310984 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "cepstrum" is a bit funny, though.
< 1227310985 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it doesn't end with a 'v' ... don't know where I got that from
< 1227310991 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean
< 1227310994 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1227310999 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spectrum? :\
< 1227310999 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort-of the inverse of "spectrum".
< 1227311010 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the "spec" part is reversed to "ceps".
< 1227311013 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah okay that would've been one helluva typo
< 1227311019 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i woult write it something like vrotslaf
< 1227311023 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And filters in the cepstral domains are called lifters, for the same reason. :p
< 1227311028 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe possible if writing the text as a befunge program outputting it
< 1227311038 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 'cepstrum' is a spectrum transformed back into the time-domain?
< 1227311073 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : dang
< 1227311079 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the eye hurts
< 1227311085 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should go to sleep
< 1227311089 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, it's the log-amplitude spectrum transformed again; it's not exactly "time-domain" any more at that point.
< 1227311095 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g night
< 1227311098 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n
< 1227311117 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the "X axis" in the cepstrum is the quefrency. :p
< 1227311130 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose terminology is this?
< 1227311133 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwtf :)
< 1227311135 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1227311135 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone's. :p
< 1227311147 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cepstrum for example.
< 1227311157 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's liftering and quefrency mentioned.
< 1227311168 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DS
< 1227311169 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if there are other punny names.
< 1227311192 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"quefrency alanysis"
< 1227311213 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen "alanysis" anywhere, though. Well, except that wikipedia article.
< 1227311223 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the power cepstrum (of a signal) is the square of the Fourier transform of the logarithm of the squared magnitude of the Fourier transform of a signal"
< 1227311274 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In MFCC's the log-spectrum is first warped to the Mel scale, which is a sort-of a perceptually motivated logarithmic thing.
< 1227311274 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zifzie is an epsech ocergnition eserarcher
< 1227311305 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the original Mel scale was derived by playing sine tunes to people and having them to classify which are "equally distant".
< 1227311331 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut?
< 1227311336 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then approximating that a bit.
< 1227311351 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who have trouble hearing notes right?
< 1227311392 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1227311422 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a logarithmic scale +- failure to hear notes right, in case you know anything about music
< 1227311441 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess it's not about how much you know
< 1227311476 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what "sounds" equally distant; and it's supposedly not logarithmic through the whole frequency range.
< 1227311515 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. i would just tell them the interval, not sure what equally distant could mean apart from that :P
< 1227311520 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting curious... maybe I should rebuild my haskell spectrum analyser into a cepstrum alanyzer
< 1227311591 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, guess if it were log scale +- small error, it would not be mentioned there
< 1227311617 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that from a given a frequency X, the "distance" between (X/2, X) and (X, 2*X) doesn't necessary sound like it's the same.
< 1227311641 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or so they tell me, anyway. Haven't done any listening tests myself.
< 1227311663 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i hear X/2 and X, i hear an octave. i'm assuming most people do, even though they may not have a name for the interval
< 1227311714 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i hear X and 2X after that, i hear another octave, unless the notes get too high to hear right, but i doubt that's where it's supposed to start deviating from log scale
< 1227311799 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe the western note system isn't a very natural one, and people who aren't fluent in it have the more natural system
< 1227311848 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i guess i could just wp it
< 1227311861 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wikipedia article is not terribly informative.
< 1227311867 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1227311887 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the approximation of Mel scale used by everyone is completely logarithmic, so...
< 1227311900 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1227311901 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227311931 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. i want some coke
< 1227311950 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wow i just realized something
< 1227311950 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original formulation (if I recall correctly) had a linear part for low (<500 Hz) frequencies, and then logarithmic above that; supposedly it's related to how the ear does it's magic.
< 1227311977 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i went out, and bought coke, NO ONE COULD STOP ME :D
< 1227311982 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1227311992 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can just do it
< 1227311995 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is awesome
< 1227312000 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just
< 1227312004 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can find a place to buy it from that's open.
< 1227312005 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1227312010 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<500 is not very low
< 1227312022 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1227312025 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's half the piano keyboard
< 1227312037 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's low in the sense that it's "not high".
< 1227312044 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is tuned logarithmically)
< 1227312054 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody ever tunes things linearly
< 1227312059 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i may agree with the incredibly low or high ones being out of the log scale
< 1227312073 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 500?
< 1227312074 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf.
< 1227312089 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall making basic programs that played linear scale near there
< 1227312104 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it definitely didn't sound like it was linear
< 1227312111 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i didn't know shit about music then
< 1227312125 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just gave people a comparison tone, and asked them to adjust another one to be half as high.
< 1227312147 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-musicians, I would guess.
< 1227312198 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe musicians who don't know shit about frequencies
< 1227312199 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1227312246 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wtf, "half as high", i'm not sure that'd make any sense to me if i didn't know that meant an octave.
< 1227312296 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd probably think it's impossible because you can get as low as you want
< 1227312310 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively people were asked to divide a frequency range to "equally large" regions.
< 1227312321 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might be content with approximating half of one interval
< 1227312324 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah oka
< 1227312325 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y
< 1227312339 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so very difficult to live outside the campus area; all papers are "buy this article for $19 since you don't have a subscription".
< 1227312350 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should set up the proxying stuff some day.
< 1227312388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh
< 1227312448 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be an ICASSP paper from 1999 whose abstract says they "investicate the often made remark that there are two regions to the Mel scale, the first region (" but then it cuts off and the full text is only available for a fee.
< 1227312476 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227312484 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's prolly the gist of it.
< 1227312520 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We show that there is no evidence, based on the experimental data points, that there are two qualitatively different regions or that the lower region is linear and upper region logarithmetic."
< 1227312527 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Started a browser with X forwarding.)
< 1227312538 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, it's a very widely distributed rumour, then.
< 1227312597 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing like that fits my intuition the least bit, and i know nothing about sound; would say that's a pretty weird rumour.
< 1227312614 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the points aren't exactly logarithmic either, and it's mostly just a matter of how do you want to approximate it.
< 1227312668 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you get the rest of it?
< 1227312744 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started a browser at one of the computers inside the campus, used their IEEEXplore submission to get the full text.
< 1227312775 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some serious hacking right there
< 1227312810 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically seems like they've taken the data points from the original Mel paper (from the 1940s) and noticed that since there's a whole pile of curves that fit the points, you can't really say much more than that it's not linear, it's not logarithmic, and it can be numerically approximated with various functions.
< 1227312864 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a lot of discussion to be having for slide #3, since the whole presentation has something like 17 of 'em. :p
< 1227312888 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm sure the presentation was like this too
< 1227312901 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really i'd forgotten context loooong ago
< 1227312922 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it went really fast; we were running a bit late at that point, so I skipped most of the boring parts.
< 1227312936 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does this 'mel' scale correlate with the greenwood function btw?
< 1227313000 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure; that's of course the physiological justification for it. That "position in the ear" thing is a logarithmic approximation too, right?
< 1227313087 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, greenwood is log (1 + f / a) / k, just with different constants
< 1227313162 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens after the cochlea is probably far less understood than the "just a simple matter of physics" part.
< 1227313263 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's quite a lot of speech recognition research that's been motivated by "it seems as if humans do it sort of like this, a bit, maybe"; it's a bit of a buzzword nowadays.
< 1227313305 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I think half of those people just want any convenient excuse to go stick electrodes into brains.
< 1227313339 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, it's a convenient idea that by just mapping the raw data onto what's been measured from sensory organs you'll get something profound and/or easily analyzable
< 1227313414 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night
< 1227313426 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1227313736 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. now i kinda wanna go buy some coke. but i'd have to do it.
< 1227313739 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fungot
< 1227313769 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*please, fungot
< 1227313828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklo: the drink or the drug
< 1227313858 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time i'll leave it for guesswork
< 1227313866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklo: i assume the latter, for "do it"
< 1227313881 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: assume what you wish, big boy
< 1227313889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklo: i see.
< 1227313896 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for reference, your nick is longer than mine)
< 1227313904 0 :oklo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1227313915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: rename yourself to ok
< 1227313917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and god it smells like pee here
< 1227313917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or oko
< 1227313932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dog pees everywhere, and i don't wanna sweep it up all the time
< 1227313949 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's another thing i'd have to do for it to happen
< 1227314031 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227314039 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the 'got.
< 1227314059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first of all, i need to check if you've tampered with ^bool
< 1227314068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't mind my small-scale flood here.
< 1227314069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227314069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227314069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227314069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227314069 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1227314069 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227314069 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1227314069 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1227314071 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227314071 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1227314073 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227314073 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227314075 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227314075 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227314082 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just at Tampere, it's very likely that I've been tampering.
< 1227314084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, looks about right.
< 1227314090 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i go buy some cokers?
< 1227314091 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227314091 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227314097 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said yes!
< 1227314101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is gonna go!
< 1227314105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy time \o/
< 1227314108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooohhoo
< 1227314109 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All systems are go.
< 1227314110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> !!!
< 1227314114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: which kind of coke, i ask again
< 1227314116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1227314145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;))))))
< 1227314147 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1227314177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to his unresponsiveness I shall assume that oklopol will return on cocaine.
< 1227314179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1227314182 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph, the dog was sleeping so sweetly, and now i'm gonna leave and she'll be waiting for me face squeezed against the wall :<
< 1227314191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the coke fuel
< 1227314193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he might be buying that
< 1227314195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s possible.
< 1227314232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does take some of the fun away, i have a lot of compassion for lesser creatures
< 1227314257 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE DOGS, BOTS, POLITICIANS AND WOMEN
< 1227314266 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1227314266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz
< 1227314374 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww oklopol no marries? :(
< 1227314465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have 0.4 marriage, he said.
< 1227314470 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227314495 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I is the sleep now; night.
< 1227315338 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1227320909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i should be a sleep too, now
< 1227320910 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1227321190 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol can't marry
< 1227321197 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because GAYS CAN'T MARRY
< 1227321199 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zing!
< 1227323149 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227324526 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227324540 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-45.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227328985 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227329128 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1227333580 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227337873 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-45.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227338155 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a wonderful proof by dewdney of the nonexistance of a TM that solves the halting problem
< 1227338157 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its quite nice
< 1227338158 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1227338227 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lynx plz
< 1227338233 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing's proof is pretty meh.
< 1227338245 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was turings proof?
< 1227338357 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme check, I don't remember too good
< 1227338369 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First of all, it's not about the halting problem
< 1227338379 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because his original specs was not halting.
< 1227338427 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He had two types of symbols. Symbols of the first kind (usually numbers), that are part of the final result
< 1227338444 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And symbols of the second kind, which are... not. They're markers and such.
< 1227338457 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well heres dewneys Devilmachine example
< 1227338482 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A circular machine writes down a finite amount of symbols of the first kind, a circle-free machine does not.
< 1227338497 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The halting problem is hence how to know if the machine is circular.
< 1227338502 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose that we have a mean H, that can decide whether or not a machine T will halt on some input i
< 1227338517 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to feed H in H?
< 1227338520 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do this by giving H a description dT of the machine T
< 1227338524 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With H as input?
< 1227338535 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, not H, another machine derived from it, hold on :P)
< 1227338565 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if T halts on i, H goes into 1 and halts
< 1227338573 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if T doesn't halt on i, H goes into 0 and halts
< 1227338611 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah yeah, I know the oracle machine
< 1227338616 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now make with the proof :o
< 1227338630 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now suppose we derive a second machine, DM, build from H
< 1227338652 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such that it has one input, a machine description, which becomes dT and i
< 1227338667 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the version of H that is wrapped up inside of DM
< 1227338701 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now suppose we also change 1 so that when DM transitions to 1, it unconditionally transitions back to 1, looping around on forever
< 1227338713 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does DM halt on dDM or not?
< 1227338715 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume it does
< 1227338740 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if DM halts on dDM, then it'll go into state one, and thus it'll loop forever
< 1227338758 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I lost you at H that is wrapped up inside of DM
< 1227338761 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1227338768 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you derive a machine from H
< 1227338785 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How?
< 1227338818 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by adding a "copier" onto its inputs, so that the copier takes dT and duplicates it, putting it as the dT and i of the inner version of H
< 1227338857 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just a machine that is exactly like H, only dT and i are always identical
< 1227338872 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1227338874 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok?
< 1227338882 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you also add an infinite loop to state 1
< 1227338891 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what is the dT in question?
< 1227338901 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What machine does it describe
< 1227338909 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any machine you want
< 1227338916 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: you do this by giving H a description dT of the machine T
< 1227338919 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what H does
< 1227338926 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given some machine description, and an input i
< 1227338933 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it determines if the described machine halts on i
< 1227338934 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you talking to yourself
< 1227338942 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not, im QUOTINg myself
< 1227338952 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1227338955 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What IRC program are you using?
< 1227338963 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :limechat, why
< 1227338975 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1227338978 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you understand??
< 1227338983 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cause they usually have <psygnisfive>
< 1227338984 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1227338987 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1227338987 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1227339010 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you give dDM to H
< 1227339013 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as both input and output
< 1227339021 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asking, will DM halt on its own description?
< 1227339030 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if H says yes then this is what happens in DM:
< 1227339054 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DM takes dDM as input, and because it has an inner copy of H, the inner copy of H should ALSO say yes
< 1227339061 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that it it goes into state 1
< 1227339080 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but DM has an infinite loop on state 1, so DM cannot halt on its own input, if H says it will
< 1227339095 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's pretty much Turing's proof.
< 1227339100 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe H will say no, DM wont halt on its own input
< 1227339120 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if thats the case H will go into 0, meaning so will DM, and 0 is a halting state for DM
< 1227339123 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so DM WILL halt
< 1227339140 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so either way, H is wrong, and this machine, DM is possible if H is possible
< 1227339149 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus since DM is not possible, H is not possible
< 1227339165 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a beautiful proof
< 1227339206 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it's the proof of Turing, apart from the letters.
< 1227339210 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho it helps to hav diagrams :)
< 1227339215 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be turings proof
< 1227339216 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know
< 1227339233 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know is, in class the professor had multicolored chalk
< 1227339243 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the diagram for H was clean and white
< 1227339252 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a machine D, that when given the standard description of a machine M, test if M is circular, and mark the SD with u, otherwise with S.
< 1227339269 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the diagram for DM was purple and orange and green and there were all sorts of swirlies here and there representing arbitrary input and stuff
< 1227339282 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it looked psychedelic and demonic and appropriate for a machine named the Devil Machine
< 1227339284 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i loved it
< 1227339290 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pix
< 1227339297 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no pix :(
< 1227339345 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1227339351 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I see where theproof is different
< 1227339368 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing applied it directly to the problem of the extension of the computable numbers.
< 1227339805 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1227339807 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teabagging.
< 1227339823 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3it
< 1227339918 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I BET YOU DO, FAGGOT
< 1227339930 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beard_Liberation_Front
< 1227339937 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid I must declare holy war on you
< 1227340615 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i love beards mate
< 1227340619 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not on the guys i fuck
< 1227340634 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like disembodied beards?
< 1227340644 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Le Chuck's beard in Monkey Island 2
< 1227340644 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, very much so
< 1227340722 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to say, im not impressed by the 2001 beard of the year
< 1227340731 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I sort of shaved my balls, except on the bottom
< 1227340736 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that they have a little beard.
< 1227340738 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227340739 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahha
< 1227340757 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rip the hairs out all at once
< 1227340757 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I can put on a face with a marker
< 1227340783 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would slap you with my penis.
< 1227340799 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an interesting thing that people wish facial hair have no chance in american politics on a large scal
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< 1227340801 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1227340833 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about ABRAHAM LINCOLN
< 1227340844 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT
< 1227340848 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern american politics i mean.
< 1227340855 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think roosevelt was the last bearded president
< 1227340860 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227340863 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEDDY was
< 1227340867 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :franklin was clean shaven
< 1227340877 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't he have a moustache.
< 1227340881 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227340883 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was teddy
< 1227340885 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure Obama has a ball beard though.
< 1227340903 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no taft had a mustache
< 1227340947 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was the last
< 1227340948 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taft
< 1227341060 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's too much presidents with the same name.
< 1227341077 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres only two pairs of same-named presidents in american history :P
< 1227341082 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing Hillary wasn't elected
< 1227341089 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227341089 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three
< 1227341090 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's too much for me
< 1227341092 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bush included
< 1227341100 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's the third?
< 1227341118 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bushes, the roosevelts, and the .. other guys from the beginning
< 1227341120 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adamses
< 1227341123 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1227341132 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1227341135 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait...
< 1227341141 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Adams and... Quincy Adams?
< 1227341153 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :John and John Quincy
< 1227341154 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1227341156 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly know my US Presidents from the Animaniacs song.
< 1227341181 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly
< 1227341187 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :John -> John Quincy
< 1227341192 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :George -> George W
< 1227341200 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvy0wRLD5s8
< 1227341203 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both father-son lineages
< 1227341273 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew jackson had some crazy clothes
< 1227341285 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Andrew_jackson_head.gif
< 1227341287 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean what is that?
< 1227341308 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a wizard
< 1227341315 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
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< 1227345815 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1227345911 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sup.
< 1227351202 0 :habnabit!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :JUMP_ABSOLUTE
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< 1227361681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if psygnisfive's is turing's proof, but that's the common one, except there's usually less wrapping and descriptions.
< 1227361906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://clisp.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/clisp/clisp/doc/Why-CLISP-is-under-GPL I love the "Is that what you want?" line. rms is and always has been a fear-mongering person who cannot handle people with other views on commercial software. His position on the linking is totally ridiculous ... he could probably claim that every program on my system must be licensed under the GPL with that.
< 1227361925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I was cynical enough to call his sudden change of heart mind control. :-p
< 1227361986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand how you people can keep track of pop culture so well, i have no idea what rms means
< 1227361996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :richard m stallman, creator of the gnu project and gpl.
< 1227362004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Richard Stallman is hardly pop culture...
< 1227362006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hobo.
< 1227362008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(moron.)
< 1227362016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: last two may be personal opinion
< 1227362031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1227362045 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i know stallman, i'm not *that* much out of the looper
< 1227362051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be
< 1227362053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick, forget stuff
< 1227362059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227362082 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as ais523 said, as long as it's not pop pop culture, it's okay, it's just not not okay if i *don't* know.
< 1227362108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1227362117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it's just/and it's
< 1227362133 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that kind of a mistake called?
< 1227362165 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use terms that show something implicitly, and the implicit parts have inconsistency
< 1227362181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!(pop pop culture) =>
< 1227362181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  OK
< 1227362181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& ((not know) => OK)
< 1227362182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right?
< 1227362219 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK ((not (pop pop culture)) => (not know))
< 1227362226 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph
< 1227362232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK ((not (pop pop culture)) => (not know)))
< 1227362246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK (not (pop pop culture))
< 1227362256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK (not know (not (pop pop culture))))
< 1227362257 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what
< 1227362258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right?
< 1227362262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you said
< 1227362268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no that's not right, i was just copypasting yours :P
< 1227362273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try predicate logic.
< 1227362328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(forall X)(okay(pop_pop_culture(X) ^ know(X)))
< 1227362399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ^ equals AND, or XOR?
< 1227362409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as long as it's not pop pop culture, it's okay, and it's not not okay if i *don't* know." (forall X)(okay(pop_pop_culture(X) ^ know(X))), then emphasis on (not (not (okay(pop ... know(X)))))
< 1227362420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and.
< 1227362425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and, it's predicate logic
< 1227362432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1227362437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's wrong
< 1227362438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that says:
< 1227362444 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no wonder that looks wrong :)
< 1227362445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay if (it's pop pop culture and I know it)
< 1227362448 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has an extra not
< 1227362453 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay
< 1227362460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soo you need an extra not there
< 1227362461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah my predicate logic thing has a copypaste error
< 1227362469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(forall X)(okay(not(pop_pop_culture(X)) ^ know(X)))
< 1227362478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by pop pop culture
< 1227362483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant the more popular pop culture
< 1227362498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i then quickly forgot what that meant and started getting confused
< 1227362527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let us start over having learned from these past mistakes
< 1227362632 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as long as it's not pop pop culture, it's okay, and it's not not okay if i *don't* know." (forall X)(okay((((not pop_culture(X)) ^ (pop_pop_culture(X))) ^ (know(X)))))
< 1227362670 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second sentence is just gravy, and the first and in the predicate logic is linguistically a "but"
< 1227362682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL
< 1227362696 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and once again i have the two pop cultures the wrong way around :P
< 1227362710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i conjecture i cannot achieve consistensy in terminology
< 1227362722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bear-poops
< 1227362766 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah if you swap those, it should be fine
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< 1227367724 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227367773 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227369093 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227370353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1227370360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi
< 1227370367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1227370372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm currently working on conditional fingerprints
< 1227370379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by that
< 1227370385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fingerprints which are included in some builds not others
< 1227370386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like IFFI
< 1227370389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1227370394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically: A fancy name for adding an #if around the fingerprint
< 1227370399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can depend on checks in cmake
< 1227370402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example
< 1227370410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we don't have ncurses skip TERM
< 1227370411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such
< 1227370451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my fingerprint managing scripts are looking about as messy as ick's old main() now.
< 1227370460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he
< 1227370461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*heh
< 1227370470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including a ad-hoc "generate fingerprint list for man page"-mode
< 1227370472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an*
< 1227370502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably split out the common code (parse *.spec files) into a separate file
< 1227370508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then source it
< 1227371326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm a question that I suspect you may know the answer to:
< 1227371341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on
< 1227371343 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227371346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you have a C file that is empty?
< 1227371354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from possible whitespace
< 1227371370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that legal?
< 1227371376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so
< 1227371376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the C standard
< 1227371382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all files have to have at least one declaration in
< 1227371401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok, then what if the C file isn't empty, but everything is in an #if ... #endif that evaluate to false
< 1227371409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logically it would be empty after the pre-processor then
< 1227371419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that file valid or not?
< 1227371419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it would
< 1227371422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think not
< 1227371429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write int foo; and it becomes legal
< 1227371449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, gcc complains for truly empty files but not ones that are empty due to everything being iffed out
< 1227371481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1227371489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an extension, but an obvious one
< 1227371493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I know a better way to solve it, include the global header before, it contains some typedefs
< 1227371500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that would be enough
< 1227371516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or?
< 1227371529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1227371534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the exact wording
< 1227371541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comp.lang.c are good for this sort of thing, I find
< 1227371566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm, I'll take a look at the C99 spec. I guess.
< 1227371818 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227372055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm from now on I fear that libick_ecto_b98.a won't compile without adding a few HAVE_*. At least HAVE_random, HAVE_srandom and HAVE_clock_gettime
< 1227372066 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1227372075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I should probably try to get the script integrated with your build system
< 1227372077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe we can write fallback libraries
< 1227372080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may do that later
< 1227372091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm?
< 1227372103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if srandom isn't there
< 1227372106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :provide our own version
< 1227372107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc
< 1227372110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I fall back to srand()
< 1227372114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, and ok
< 1227372115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1227372120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for clock_gettime() I fall back to gettimeofday()
< 1227372124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes
< 1227372152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I try to be POSIX.1-2001 + _POSIX_MAPPED_FILES + strdup
< 1227372166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strdup and srandom/random are XSI
< 1227372201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is a superset of POSIX, XSI is required for a system to be Unix however, see SUSv3)
< 1227372223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and all those except srandom/random are mandatory in POSIX.1-2008
< 1227372223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1227372251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that will be at least a few years before I start depending on the 2008 edition
< 1227372453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, IFFI will not need an update for the conditional fingerprint bit due to both versions 1.2 and 1.3 of the fingerprint spec format are supported atm, since 1.3 only added an optional line (%condition:...)
< 1227372466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1227372595 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@084202205031.customer.alfanett.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227372595 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1227372973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in English, if you put a whole sentence within parentheses do you put the . before or after the )  ?
< 1227372990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as (This is a whole sentence). or (This is a whole sentence.)
< 1227372995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inside
< 1227373005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the . is inside the parens
< 1227373005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1227373025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic rule is that the sentence needs to be punctuated correctly if you remove everything inside the parens
< 1227373063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1227373090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm, what bash version do you have? (echo $BASH_VERSION)
< 1227373137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to change the version needed for gen_fprint_list. Well I could rewrite it to avoid that construct but it would be a bit more work.
< 1227373147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what version ais523? :)
< 1227373160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.2.39(1)-release
< 1227373165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good
< 1227373186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it needed 3.1 or later, but now it needs 3.2.10 or later (due to a known bug in earlier versions)
< 1227373578 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-45.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227373995 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227374397 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227374420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Rodney> nigga (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 44 points, fell into a pit
< 1227374422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- #nethack
< 1227374424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insert obvious joke.
< 1227374527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha xD
< 1227374534 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it.
< 1227374546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :black people can't do anything? :P
< 1227374780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that obvious :)
< 1227374791 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get me something to eat don't you think
< 1227374808 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to be always getting things; first coke, now something to eat.
< 1227374810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat a floating eye corpse
< 1227374840 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=3262169
< 1227374851 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But beware, you might feel a strange mental acuity.
< 1227374898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so what kind of coke was ita gain?
< 1227374900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never admitted.
< 1227374931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why would i admit?
< 1227374938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz this is #esoteric.
< 1227374939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh.
< 1227374942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my logic is flawless
< 1227374956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's the drug kinda, then i'm admitting i'm a criminal, if it's the boring kind, that's just a boring confession.
< 1227374971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition to which, this keeps the mystery up, and mysteries are nice
< 1227374977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kind
< 1227374985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a criminal
< 1227374986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227374998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION PYRAT
< 1227375021 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cracked my copy of linux genuine advantage
< 1227375030 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you criminal in ways that aren't accepted by the public?
< 1227375035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eating dragons is fun too
< 1227375037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: lol
< 1227375037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: I never downloaded it, it seemed the best way to me
< 1227375044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it exists, look it up
< 1227375047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1227375051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1227375054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1227375058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a program
< 1227375061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone made as a joke
< 1227375070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly, it's a joke
< 1227375071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works the same way as WGA
< 1227375073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not AnMaster territory.
< 1227375076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just you can uninstall it
< 1227375076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1227375081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as one of the many ways to get around it
< 1227375086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also easily hacked
< 1227375089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as it's open source
< 1227375090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1227375100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/source/
< 1227375100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice joke indeed
< 1227375129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklopol> are you criminal in ways that aren't accepted by the public? <-- prolly
< 1227375150 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :piracy is accepted by most people
< 1227375152 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drugs aren't
< 1227375163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the definition of people :P
< 1227375189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay finnish people and ircers from other countries.
< 1227375192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the even funnier thing about LGA is you actually have to pay them money to get it to work properly
< 1227375198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else change the name of the server, I gues
< 1227375201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*guess
< 1227375375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fizzie, you are right, i am a getophiliac. may i should get help... or more like find it, might be more helpful.
< 1227375453 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-59-94.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227375485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, they had to explain it was a joke in the FAQ
< 1227375495 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1227375500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with giving a crack to remove it themselves, just in case someone had tried to run it and got locked out
< 1227375510 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-59-94.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227375556 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1227376027 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227376034 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS COOOOOOLD
< 1227376111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1227376144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a computer that sucks at power saving.
< 1227376146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would warm me.
< 1227376150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7f07k/its_so_cold_that_i_have_to_compile_ghc_to_heat/ ]
< 1227376151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]
< 1227376153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227376160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just put a busyloop in the background
< 1227376162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes to the same thing
< 1227376173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, this computer is never hote
< 1227376174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever
< 1227376180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1227376186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stone cold on the outside, unless i'm using like all of the two cores
< 1227376190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one doesn't seem to get hot, but warms the desk underneath it
< 1227376194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case there's minimal heat coming out of the fan
< 1227376198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1227376199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not fan
< 1227376200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the holes
< 1227376200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two cores? just put two busyloops in the background
< 1227376202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the bottom of the monitor
< 1227376203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227376210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the cpu too...
< 1227376362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ perl -e 'fork; 1 while 1'
< 1227376365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ i notice nothing.
< 1227376371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, things are lagging a bit.
< 1227376375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still freezing.
< 1227376389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: write it as fork, 1 while 1, that would be a lot more fun
< 1227376393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not
< 1227376400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1227376405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fork bomb
< 1227376408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227376409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227376410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the fork is inside the while loop
< 1227376418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1227376423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ fork, 1 } while (1)
< 1227376677 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fork while fork
< 1227376763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1227376765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ais523's is more subtle
< 1227376812 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtle forkbomb yea
< 1227376856 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227376869 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an intel tool (TAT, I think) which can really raise the temperatures
< 1227376877 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as can prime95
< 1227376885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's powertop too, which can really lower them
< 1227376926 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there's flamethrowers, which are more effective than TAT or prime95.
< 1227376928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dagobah.biz/flash/dotact2.swf
< 1227376928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnnnnn
< 1227376933 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1227376952 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about a coal basin
< 1227377016 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks intently about a coal basin.
< 1227377074 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227377103 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think this motherboard isn't as unscathed as I thought it was... :(
< 1227377130 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am cold, without an eye, ill and bored
< 1227377134 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm, coal basin.
< 1227377200 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1227377201 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :srop thinking about coal basin;
< 1227377204 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop*
< 1227377205 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal
< 1227377211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION srops thinking about coal basin
< 1227377216 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1227377239 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION srops his brains out.
< 1227377241 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop thinking about coal basin;
< 1227377283 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits intently for the rest of that sentence.
< 1227377296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :srop waiting and do soemthing!
< 1227377302 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill yourself.
< 1227377322 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/Kill_Yourself.ogg
< 1227377330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old
< 1227377338 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i waited for an error message :C
< 1227377356 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather error massage
< 1227377379 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typos happen, when you have only one eye active
< 1227377387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to the other?
< 1227377475 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was deactivated and corrupted by rubbish flying with wind
< 1227377484 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glass, to be precise
< 1227377489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1227377493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it heals
< 1227377505 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should :>
< 1227377790 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the transistor placement algo is still driving me mad
< 1227377803 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too stupid to figure it out correctly
< 1227377813 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i explode with anger
< 1227378808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, slight change to cftoec.sh to be able to support last cfunge revision. pushed that change to same place as before
< 1227378857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue if you can merge that patch out of order
< 1227379166 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's a pretty stupid game
< 1227379173 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'M NOT TWITCHY ENOUGH FOR LEVEL 24
< 1227379176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's fun
< 1227379177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: :D
< 1227379191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's trivial and uninteresting
< 1227379204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no its fun
< 1227379207 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES
< 1227379219 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Clearly you've played precisely level 1 and went BLEH DIS SUX LAWL
< 1227379233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah on further levels it gets interesting
< 1227379236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the flip-level orbs
< 1227379245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the water+lava+flip combinations
< 1227379246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and aaaaaaa
< 1227379252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i played seven levels through
< 1227379282 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Calling them "orbs" is a bit of a misnomer :P
< 1227379290 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's simply a boring concept, if there's seriously something interesting or hard in the puzzles somewhere, i can retry.
< 1227379302 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem with puzzles is, they are usually trivial.
< 1227379308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's fun and hard to get it fast enough
< 1227379311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it gets mor einteresting
< 1227379316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you go on
< 1227379338 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not much room for improvement, it's just micro-optimization
< 1227379353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up until you play it properly :P
< 1227379358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph.
< 1227379362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i'll finish it
< 1227379471 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played that thing up to level 42, but then I gotzted bored.
< 1227379483 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1227379523 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a "kill" button?
< 1227379537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227379540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left, right, space
< 1227379542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all you get
< 1227379553 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do 'down' in water.
< 1227379555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a bit retarded
< 1227379560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, it's not
< 1227379563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's restricted
< 1227379574 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can abort in the middle of the level, yes. If that's what you mean with "kill".
< 1227379578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very fun to wait for four minutes to die.
< 1227379580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227379581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1227379583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can? how
< 1227379583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant
< 1227379586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill the orbs
< 1227379586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1227379593 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the "pause" key, but I forgot already which one.
< 1227379598 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can select 'continue' or 'end'.
< 1227379603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :escape
< 1227379603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1227379612 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, enter.
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< 1227379676 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzlet is a small puzzle, he should be able to clear this right up.
< 1227379699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227379797 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the cheesy 8-bit music btw.
< 1227379808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1227379809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great
< 1227379869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stage 15 is ... trivial
< 1227379869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O
< 1227379905 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all up to 15 were pretty much trivial.
< 1227379906 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@"
< 1227379918 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I mean, up to 42.
< 1227379947 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ur sluw lawl
< 1227379949 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is at 32
< 1227379950 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you're all talking about it, I'd probably go a few levels further, but it already forgot where I were, and I don't feel like replaying all those.
< 1227379955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I restarted.
< 1227379963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i actually died at level 14
< 1227379975 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh :P
< 1227379985 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could have some sort of passwordy thingie. Or maybe it has, who knows.
< 1227379993 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could continue where I left off.
< 1227380046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does
< 1227380076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:
< 1227380077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click on the comments
< 1227380080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a list of all the cods
< 1227380082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codes
< 1227380085 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay.
< 1227380105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay 16 had a teensy bit of innovation
< 1227380140 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :34 EVIL
< 1227380164 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't that bad. Especially since the \-slope was just "keep -> pressed".
< 1227380233 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTFBBQ
< 1227380241 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I tried the first time and I hit a wall.
< 1227380245 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tried it again and it worked.
< 1227380258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay 17 was harder than the whole game put together
< 1227380332 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227380379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it wasn't.
< 1227380413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :45 has a time of 0.
< 1227380426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1227380427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1227380429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do it???
< 1227380430 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whole game sofar
< 1227380457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 24 had a time of 1; that was easier.
< 1227380490 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 0 time is not completely instaneous, but I think it needs a "jump to the roof and bounce" type of thing, it's not fast enough to fall down.
< 1227380516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, that's it.
< 1227380563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, 46 is not fun.
< 1227380585 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Level 36 is difficult ... but that's just because the precise timing of the tall lava blocks is not my cup o' pigs snot.
< 1227380702 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/level46.png
< 1227380708 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I have the patience for this one.
< 1227380717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
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< 1227380848 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227380977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only hard things i've seen sofar have been one-pixel slots where you need to have absolute precision.
< 1227380984 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a very interesting type of hard.
< 1227380995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baww.
< 1227381033 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Did you look at that lvl46 screenshot? that seems to be exactly what this is. Although the comments part say something undecipherable.
< 1227381092 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh stupefity of it.
< 1227381104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can run past it, the guy doesn't have time to fall down.
< 1227381133 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah that looks pretty hard.
< 1227381137 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a single jump plus -> key pressed to the end of the level.
< 1227381164 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the movement is this simplified, i definitely don't want puzzles that rely on having mastered it.
< 1227381176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227381177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1227381187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay that's the kind of puzzle i can live with
< 1227381207 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good puzzle is about having learned the game mechanics and being able to exploit that
< 1227381294 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was the only such one so far. :p
< 1227381341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: yeah 34 was pretty evil, i needed two attempts.
< 1227381359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i accidentally hit space after climbing the wall
< 1227381398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: where are you now?
< 1227381605 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might be fine with 37 being the first level of the game with 150 sec less time.
< 1227381718 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are getting more annyoing; didn't like 51, 52 at all.
< 1227381746 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227382014 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i didn't like the game in the first place
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< 1227382055 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 42 you can't see the guy when jumping up on the pillars, that's probably the hardest part of the game sofar
< 1227382084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most levels i haven't really even hard time to look at, i just press a few buttons and they're done
< 1227382119 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a serious complication is having space as the jump key, i instinctively go to shift
< 1227382282 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227382283 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Judofyr
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< 1227382477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 45 can be done, right?
< 1227382487 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227382490 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 58 now.
< 1227382514 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay third attempt did it
< 1227382548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ 46
< 1227382567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably spend more time in the menu than in the game
< 1227382570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_:D
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< 1227383068 0 :JUMP_ABSOLUTE!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :habnabit
< 1227383262 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1227383282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: where are you now?
< 1227383320 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64. I suck at this stuff; and this one is annoyingly complicated too.
< 1227383512 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, level 41 was bizarrely easy.
< 1227383538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay 54 was goddamn annoying
< 1227383561 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: 4X was bizarrely easy
< 1227383582 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The music for 42 is unnecessarily dark.
< 1227384020 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Offscreen jumping makes Gregor angry.
< 1227384366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: now?
< 1227384380 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: yeah i complained about that too
< 1227384388 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's pretty much the hardest part of 4X
< 1227384399 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 66. I is slow.
< 1227384511 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, 67; 66 was fast.
< 1227384602 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1227384606 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've taken on 5 levels
< 1227384609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :62 now
< 1227384827 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, ramen.
< 1227384920 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep messing the final jumps all the time.
< 1227385152 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep failing the trivial fall-and-evade-evil-lava part in 62
< 1227385355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, okay, 63.
< 1227385381 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep dying in this 69 even though it's not really difficult.
< 1227385679 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've even gotten all those dots, just not in the same run.
< 1227385726 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm getting tired.
< 1227385852 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think stage 70 is special, since it's got 999 time.
< 1227385980 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would just like to say that this game has the most realistic physics engine I've ever seen.
< 1227386221 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, ran out of time in the 999-"second" thing. Out of the 2744 dots, had 226 left-over.
< 1227386261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got yall addicted
< 1227386262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227386564 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-129.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227386700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEVEL 51 IS HARD
< 1227386719 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, heh; this time I got 71 left-over dots of the 2744. I'm not sure I can finish this level; it's boring.
< 1227386747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTTIT
< 1227386754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you check the code?
< 1227386755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna try it
< 1227386760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at the bottom of the level select)
< 1227386853 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :197-168
< 1227386943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh jeez.
< 1227387229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you still playin'?
< 1227387244 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew, I got #70 done.
< 1227387248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo!
< 1227387254 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#71 is again one of those 1-second things.
< 1227387303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do 45
< 1227387304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1227387340 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just jump up-left so that you bounce to the blue dot faster than just falling down.
< 1227387355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 24 is the holocaust
< 1227387384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for the record, 71 is pretty close to 45 except that the right side is lava so you need to first safely touch the bottom, then move right under it.
< 1227387413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game hates us
< 1227387423 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, 72 is another one-seconder.
< 1227387470 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It starts on top of lave, you need to immediately move one pixel right; that column has a two-pixel space, then one pixel of lava and the blue one is above that, and roof immediately on top so you usually can't hit it.
< 1227387478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: GregorR got me addicted.
< 1227387492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but i linked to it first.
< 1227387513 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even link it :P
< 1227387532 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, no! 73 is yet another one-seconder, this time with two blue dots. These are getting boring.
< 1227387536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeah, so? it was indirect
< 1227387591 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 74 is a two-seconder.
< 1227387597 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With three dots. Hate.
< 1227387681 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 75 is a zero-seconder. Heh, heh. They should stop with these and soon.
< 1227387700 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :76: 1 second.
< 1227387721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the game hates you
< 1227387723 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With a red dot thing.)
< 1227387726 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :77: 1 second...
< 1227387768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz
< 1227387780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should put all of them together
< 1227387783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :into one massive level
< 1227387793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game hates *me*, fizzie has a lead of 13 levels now :<
< 1227387801 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did go to the shop in between tho
< 1227387817 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You'll catch fast when you get to these one-seconders. Although I can't seem to get this 77 done.
< 1227387832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 is evil
< 1227387832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227387842 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guy is always just rising upwards to the blue dot when it runs out of time.
< 1227387912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: bounce off a wall?
< 1227387927 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not helpful here.
< 1227387933 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :78 is a two-seconder again.
< 1227387964 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF 45 WTF KILL KILL
< 1227387965 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where you have to navigate a S-shaped path with quite a lot of lava around.
< 1227387973 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I obviously have to jump, but it won't let me.
< 1227387993 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :45 didn't take half as many attempts as the latter 0-seconder. For me, anyway.
< 1227388003 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait :P
< 1227388006 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space is jump X-D
< 1227388009 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION = stupid.
< 1227388015 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GEE SUDDENLY THAT WAS EASY
< 1227388052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decree stage 50 to be argh
< 1227388091 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 wasn't that bad, although I dislike all the water-jumpery ones.
< 1227388107 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :46 needs twitchy timing, doesn't it ;P
< 1227388113 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1227388130 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need to land the first opening, then you can keep -> pressed.
< 1227388137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1227388138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is hilarious
< 1227388142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just hold ->
< 1227388142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1227388169 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH PFFT
< 1227388179 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why the call it a puzzle.
< 1227388180 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realize you could get any distance over a pit without jumping.
< 1227388203 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's got that realistic physics.
< 1227388210 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure you can just run over pits.
< 1227388274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :47 is fun
< 1227388331 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :79: 1 seconds...
< 1227388344 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 10 dots. :p
< 1227388418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: code?
< 1227388418 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 12, but the two first are eaten immediately.
< 1227388430 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a 3x4 box full of dots.
< 1227388437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Codeeeee
< 1227388442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whuzzcode
< 1227388481 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :80 is another 2-seconder, with a green flipper. That one has the code 246-810.
< 1227388532 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one is very very annoying, because the flipping animation takes so long.
< 1227388580 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The water levels were always my least favorite in Super Mario :P
< 1227388672 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH 50 EVIL
< 1227388673 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my progess will stop at this 80; I've been doing these 0-2-second levels by simply iterating a gazillion times, but this one has the forced flipping animation in the beginning, and I don't have the patience to watch that.
< 1227388747 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 isn't so bad, because the later water tiles don't really work like water.
< 1227388763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's bizzarter :P
< 1227388901 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I'll let oklopol to do the ones after #80, because he's better with the whole "obsessing over things" part. This flipping animation is just too annoying.
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< 1227389620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6
< 1227389639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :68 is fun, like 4 minutes of triviality, then a hard part where i always die :P
< 1227389654 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, the ending is just the beginning backwards, but i have more pressure.
< 1227389693 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was 68, the one with the four "towers" to climb?
< 1227389724 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll check.
< 1227389764 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, that one.
< 1227389771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did the same thing.
< 1227389781 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:15:11 < fizzie> I keep messing the final jumps all the time.
< 1227389785 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was about 68.
< 1227389828 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The silly "zero to two" second sequence starts at 71, you'll hit it soon.
< 1227389849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee this is fun
< 1227389850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^__^
< 1227389854 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I took ages and ages to do 69.
< 1227389863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, who wants to watch a program play nethack?
< 1227389872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telnet to nethack.alt.org, select watch, and find ehirdtaeb/
< 1227389908 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a Nethack AI was one in the list of "proposed programming projects" in our Prolog course.
< 1227389919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one is 30,000 lines of Perl.
< 1227389925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the people working on it are good at nethack. :P
< 1227390005 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, stage 81 has 55 seconds.
< 1227390018 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A welcome break from the monotonicity of it all.
< 1227390029 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm @ 69 now
< 1227390094 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :third pipe
< 1227390100 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impossible :|
< 1227390102 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1227390104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not.
< 1227390113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i've gotten half-way through
< 1227390116 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started with it, because it was the hardest one.
< 1227390117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean
< 1227390120 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit
< 1227390122 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it very very very carefully.
< 1227390122 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah me too
< 1227390140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fourth isn't too hard, second i haven't tried but looks easy, first one can't be failed
< 1227390156 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i probably will fail it when i get to it after the three others, because i get all shaky
< 1227390158 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway
< 1227390172 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can jump upwards if you're standing right on the edge (it'll push the guy sidewards a bit), so the only difficult bit is getting the "entering the notch" part done without hitting lava.
< 1227390217 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This #82 has water that doesn't slow the dropping speed at all. Otherwise it works just like regular water.
< 1227390233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGH
< 1227390235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIED AT THE END OF 68
< 1227390278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: code of 82?
< 1227390314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :863-506, although it's not that far from 80.
< 1227390442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :82 is easy
< 1227390443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^
< 1227390481 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did have to try it multiple times; the fast-dropping water was a bit tricky.
< 1227390511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, 81 is cute
< 1227390691 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1227390709 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike time-limited ones most of all, and these all have quite a little bit of time.
< 1227390717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227390723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still haven't passed the third pipe, even.
< 1227390753 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still often fail the first jump, and there are 8 of them.
< 1227390760 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did that too.
< 1227390784 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think ehird's done 69 either? Go do it, it's fun.
< 1227390812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is 69
< 1227390835 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one with the four pipes to climb; much like an earlier one but with lllava.
< 1227390841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is quite a lot of work just to be able to tell people this game sucks without having to take crap about not having tried the fun levels.
< 1227390857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but you like them
< 1227390857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1227390908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like what? yeah i've liked a few levels more than the rest
< 1227390917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one level of fantasticcontraption > this whole game sofar
< 1227390923 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "STAGE X" title screen and background seem to be changing from green towards red... maybe that can be used to deduce the amount of levels.
< 1227390979 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to get this #85 done in the allocated time.
< 1227390987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can deduce it's either 100 or 256 without any info!
< 1227391335 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I mentioned I don't like time limits? #87 would be pretty easy if I had time to be careful, but I don't.
< 1227391414 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i know how to do 69 now
< 1227391421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has new technique
< 1227391552 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1227391553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done
< 1227391567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8|
< 1227391570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy FUCK
< 1227391573 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :70
< 1227391575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whyyyyyyy
< 1227391588 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't that difficult; I think my third or fourth real attempt worked.
< 1227391599 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friggin grngrgnrgr #88. All these later ones have strict time limits.
< 1227392156 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least 89 didn't have a bad time limit. 90 again has.
< 1227392302 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These have the sort of time limits that when climbing up a ledge, you need to bounce off immediately; if you actually stop and stand on the ledge, you run out of time.
< 1227392413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should actually stop. I was already going to stop at #80.
< 1227392475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay i needed three attempts.
< 1227392478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1227392488 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227392495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the level is that long, and still you die of not having enough time
< 1227392499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's annoying
< 1227392519 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: #90, I just don't seem to have enough time here.
< 1227392581 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's how it works.
< 1227392610 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not enough, but closer.
< 1227392893 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the one single time I seem to be having enough time, I mess up the last jump.
< 1227393062 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I was about one pixel above the last blue block, and falling towards it, when I ran out of time.
< 1227393086 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I leave levels from #90 on for oklopol to solve. :p
< 1227393093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227393094 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :77
< 1227393105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was pretty easy when i did jumping with my right hand
< 1227393117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems it's a biiiiit faster than leftie
< 1227393124 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'll otherwise lose it somewhere, code for #90 is 883-674.
< 1227393165 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i don't get that far level by level, i will stop playing
< 1227393202 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, I got #90 done accidentally.
< 1227393217 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a better (and obvious) speed-optimilization there.
< 1227393249 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#91 doesn't look any better, though.
< 1227393308 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :389-744.
< 1227393389 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I completely suck at anything involving water, and #91... well, see for yourselves: http://zem.fi/~fis/level91.png
< 1227393442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft
< 1227393445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easy.
< 1227393448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably.
< 1227393454 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not easy for me, anyway.
< 1227393478 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I assume the fact that those "seconds" count down at a rate that's something like 2/second is universal and not just a Flash bug here?
< 1227393491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227393495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me too at least
< 1227393502 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just wanted to confirm.
< 1227393546 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO WONDER YOU'RE SO FAR AHEAD YOU'RE CHEATING
< 1227393579 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... it it actually impossible to enter the number 9 in that code-input screen? It seems to produce just a 0.
< 1227393591 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can't get back to #91 here. :/
< 1227393608 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227393628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other people say the same
< 1227393629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x
< 1227393630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1227393708 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you can.
< 1227393717 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the number that doesn't work; you can still enter it with cursor keys.
< 1227393769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :80 is just too hard.
< 1227393836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, you have to jump, and then move both right and left very quickly
< 1227393839 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, #91 was actually easy, just like ehird said. But #92... well, it's a maze.
< 1227393847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, the jump usually doesn't work
< 1227393850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screenshot
< 1227393853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, well, it's a tight fit
< 1227393854 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what you have to do.
< 1227393876 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i just can't get myself automated on the lower part.
< 1227393951 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/level92.png -- now, it might even be not that bad (haven't checked how tight that time limit is), but it looks *boring*.
< 1227394185 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1227394318 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee
< 1227394320 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is a time limit thing. I got 49/55 on my first attempt, where I didn't do any long detours. I assume you need to do things like bounce from the upper wall downwards to fall faster.
< 1227394331 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1227394336 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go right, first
< 1227394346 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1227394351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty straightforward
< 1227394366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but I still run out of time.
< 1227394374 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not hard to find the route, no.
< 1227394398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and right
< 1227394402 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did say the only hard thing is time
< 1227394419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if i ever get that far, i'll see for myself
< 1227394424 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues
< 1227394452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :84 is impossible.
< 1227394485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there somekinda trick or am i just slow?
< 1227394522 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's impossible about it?
< 1227394556 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1227394564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i miscalculated a distance.
< 1227394569 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even hard.
< 1227394578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean you didn't jump from the second stair out from the lava?
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< 1227394983 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time in #92 only the two last dots were left uncollected. But I'm getting seriously bored with it.
< 1227395128 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finished stage 50 with 0 time left :P
< 1227395289 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, same two dots left-over; I need some shortcuts. Will stop here.
< 1227395297 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :181-057.
< 1227395317 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did make a couple of mistakes on the way, so I'm sure it's doable.
< 1227395699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: that happens a lot in 8X.
< 1227395724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also in 7X, but, well.)
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< 1227396003 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: How's it going?
< 1227396068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ 91
< 1227396136 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Well, like ehird said, that one was easy.
< 1227396149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so if you're not finding it easy, YOU SUCK"
< 1227396191 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I almost ran out of time because I took the upward slope so carefully, and then had a lot of trouble climbing up the other pipe, due to not having done that sort of thing a lot in the previous levels.
< 1227396201 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had two seconds left when I hit that last dot.
< 1227396309 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to know how to do 92 significantly faster than what I've been doing, though.
< 1227396350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, i just failed @ jumping to the last dot
< 1227396376 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that done on my first try, even though I was so sure I'll mess it up.
< 1227396544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me it's usually first try or fifteenth time...
< 1227396587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're all ADDDDDDDDDICCCCCCTEDDDDDDDDD
< 1227396595 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to dream.
< 1227396602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corun: I see.
< 1227396626 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right between my sound machine
< 1227396647 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a cloud of sound I drift in the night
< 1227396656 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any place it goes is right.
< 1227396666 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goes far, flies near, to the stars away from here.
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< 1227397112 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: timeout, 2 left.
< 1227397181 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227397188 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got all, with 12 seconds time left.
< 1227397195 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Practice helped, it seems.
< 1227397209 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next one looks very complicated; not sure how difficult it really is.
< 1227397313 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227397400 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it isn't very difficult up to the final part, but that one's tricky because I sucks.
< 1227397435 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :036-096; too sleepy to continue, so recording the password hear.
< 1227397515 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The final part is completely lava, and in the end there's a "room" which has two ~8-pixel rows of blue dots surrounded by a two-pixel lava border; I suck at picking up the blue dots before the red dot effect wears off.
< 1227397816 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a related picture: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/05/09/teh-floor-iz-lava1/
< 1227397878 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, before you guys revealed to me that it's lava, I thought the yellow-orange squares were "electricity", since the flashing screen looked like "got zapped" to me.
< 1227397887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1227398039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1227398042 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i passed it too
< 1227398064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah i thought of it as electric fence
< 1227398079 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just tend to adapt my terminology, and ehird mentioned lava
< 1227398088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227398093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its probably an electric fence
< 1227398093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1227398102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yellow-orange thing in games that kills on impact
< 1227398104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :== lava, to me
< 1227398127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i closered the game now, so i hope these "codes" actually work.
< 1227398144 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night
< 1227398145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dances a slight dance for finally catching fizzie
< 1227398159 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately i'll probably not be able to play tomorrow
< 1227398170 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1227398233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ja
< 1227398325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sekä
< 1227398347 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :food making times
< 1227398349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1227401909 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I don't have any offscreen jumping in 42; with my browser there's a large black bar above the actual game screen, and when I jump on top of the poles in #42, the guy goes to that black region and is completely visible.
< 1227402043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227402064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too sleepy to continue, not sleepy enough to sleep?
< 1227402161 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About to go to sleep right now, actually.
< 1227402170 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nighties.
< 1227402366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1227402373 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna go to sleep :|
< 1227402390 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT I CAN'T NOW
< 1227402392 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i can.
< 1227402393 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1227409110 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1227409121 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should start writing that simulation program.
< 1227409482 0 :cherez1!n=cherez@69.76.143.134 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227409489 0 :cherez1!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227409879 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1227410014 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227410397 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227411343 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227412436 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227412624 0 :adu!n=ajr@pool-71-163-40-249.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227416046 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cat is kneading my face.
< 1227416109 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it you are good at typing without seeing
< 1227416174 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With one hand.
< 1227416180 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was holding her in my arm)
< 1227416190 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive
< 1227416202 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't know how long it took me to write that :P
< 1227416208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1227416215 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(She's not kneading my face any more, of course)
< 1227416233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was sort of starting to realize that
< 1227418086 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonderful.
< 1227418683 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227422101 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1227422805 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"So, how much do you love noodles?"
< 1227424623 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-45.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227427199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1227427200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227429053 0 :habnabit!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227429857 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-50.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227430445 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1227434485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not much use for eyes when typing
< 1227438087 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227439735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1227440603 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@net-93-145-221-248.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227440979 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227441092 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227443065 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1227443836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another ep?
< 1227443840 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227443840 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1227443843 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1227443854 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe come proving?
< 1227443856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227443856 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1227443861 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nnnno?
< 1227443872 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err.
< 1227443879 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were the options really.
< 1227443892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guitar?
< 1227443893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^boll
< 1227443895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227443895 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1227443898 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some more jumping with the game?
< 1227443900 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1227443900 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227443901 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See.
< 1227443902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well aren't you a fucker
< 1227443907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8|
< 1227443918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what a mean bot
< 1227443924 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Takes after me.
< 1227443934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i have like a four hour band training today
< 1227443945 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1227443949 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't make me play guitar
< 1227443951 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but play
< 1227443951 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227443958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have an argument for that as well.
< 1227443962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just wasn't it
< 1227443963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me think.
< 1227443972 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah! right! i need to prove things today!
< 1227443984 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND i have like a four hour training today
< 1227443988 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; go on and prove that you can get past level 93.
< 1227443990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll just have a few hours for that
< 1227443997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm @ level 97
< 1227444000 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh.
< 1227444004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: gimme password
< 1227444005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz?
< 1227444006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::33
< 1227444013 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i get it?
< 1227444020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go onto the level select
< 1227444021 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's there in the level select screen.
< 1227444023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a number at the bottom
< 1227444033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.
< 1227444049 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a half-hearted attempt at 93, but missed one blue dot in the lava room.
< 1227444059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :656-029
< 1227444068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damnit, smalltalk/squeak is just too damn productive
< 1227444070 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that your first attempt?
< 1227444075 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second.
< 1227444075 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i needed a lot of attempts
< 1227444080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am solving the HALTING PROBLEM
< 1227444080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1227444081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1227444083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone relink me to the game
< 1227444088 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dagobah.biz/flash/dotact2.swf
< 1227444089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm
< 1227444089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it
< 1227444091 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next few i think i got on the first try
< 1227444096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LETS DO THIS
< 1227444101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for one but that was just bad luck
< 1227444101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man this game is awesome
< 1227444114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh it's a pretty trivial and uninteresting game
< 1227444134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but you're having fun
< 1227444136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227444179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh 97 is impossible
< 1227444226 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i'm having fun?
< 1227444233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you sound it.
< 1227444250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhuh?
< 1227444254 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did i sound like it
< 1227444264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all day and yesterday? :P
< 1227444296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, competing with fizzie is fun. it would be fun to compete with him @ throwing dice and trying to get a lot of 20's. that doesn't make it a good game.
< 1227444297 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1227444305 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where did i actually enjoy the game?
< 1227444314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno
< 1227444314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227444319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you find it fun
< 1227444335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have liked a few levels, not sure i've liked *playing* any of them, but some of the levels have been interesting.
< 1227444342 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, no. I'm just not good at stopping.
< 1227444345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 is hard
< 1227444346 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and levels generally don't make a game good.
< 1227444372 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a control/weird perception/reaction/puzzle guy.
< 1227444384 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i suck at reaction and i'm not that good at puzzles
< 1227444398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i conjecture you have to hate the game to be good at it
< 1227444401 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227444403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed
< 1227444410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a good kind of hate
< 1227444410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227444462 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol sure sure :D
< 1227444470 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts 97
< 1227444472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look too hard
< 1227444517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the zots only last 1sec
< 1227444593 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need to be good at jumping at the right time.
< 1227444625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :93 looks pretty ok
< 1227444626 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This #97 might be easier with autofire on the jump key. :p
< 1227444651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the zots lasted more, that would be trivial.
< 1227444652 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The zot time is short enough for it to be nontrivial to collect all the blue dots in the lava room of 93.
< 1227444699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but they dont
< 1227444734 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title screen of 97 is so red it might even be that they stop at 100.
< 1227444748 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or alternatively it starts going toward some other color, since it's been blue-green-red already.
< 1227444813 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, that just makes it nontrivial, it's still not very hard
< 1227444962 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Level 46 is #005011, level 91 is #502000, and 92 is #501d00; based on that it could well hit #500000 at level 100 or so.
< 1227445195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay 97 is pretty hard. and it's the good kind of hard, because hardness is distributed pretty equally
< 1227445206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also happens with time limits but they're annoying)
< 1227445490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one was the one that looked  really hard but was just a single hold?
< 1227445500 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :46, I think.
< 1227445807 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :97 done
< 1227445810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a good level
< 1227445846 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, there seems to be a separate set of levels 101-108; they appear in a list of their own. (No, I didn't play that far, took a peek at the flash bytecodes.)
< 1227445916 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also don't have separate passwords; once you do level 100, you get that list of 101-108.
< 1227445936 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since ehird probably wants them codes, 086-754 gives the 101-108 list, while 809-936 gives the 1-100 list.
< 1227445953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lulz
< 1227446016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :326-632, pretty mean.
< 1227446024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1227446030 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98
< 1227446055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my lord
< 1227446056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1227446077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my lord
< 1227446078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :101
< 1227446079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.O
< 1227446083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fast enough, but not consistent enough
< 1227446101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227446106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm not sure i'm fast tnough
< 1227446106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough
< 1227446181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK 101
< 1227446191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries 108
< 1227446193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY
< 1227446233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: try 10
< 1227446234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1227446386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: if i get that far, i will
< 1227446406 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those levels seem to be mostly for fun.
< 1227446433 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :105 has 2002 seconds of time, and is just a picture of a cat or something.
< 1227446465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :105 is easy, but
< 1227446467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last level
< 1227446469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 101
< 1227446471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some others
< 1227446473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are really fucking hard
< 1227446532 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they're sort-of optional; when you get past 100, you see them all.
< 1227446542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but
< 1227446542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\
< 1227446571 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :102 is a decorated version of that nasty 98, where the path to climb is the stem of a flower. :p
< 1227446607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, 102 has antigravity
< 1227446607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it
< 1227446610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227446611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just  gravity
< 1227446612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pulls you down
< 1227446640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure there's some water down there from where the flower grows.
< 1227446647 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the actual meat of the level is that climbery.
< 1227446653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no
< 1227446655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try climbing
< 1227446659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's more gravity than usual
< 1227446674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1227446676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow@100
< 1227446679 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't notice; at least it's not too much more.
< 1227446686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1227446690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.oklopol you will hate 99
< 1227446743 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, hadn't looked at 99 yet.
< 1227446770 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it will need some serious route-memorization. Fortunately I don't have to play through these.
< 1227446773 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-45.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227446789 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Slightly less hilarious topic
< 1227447273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh i'll do 98 later tonight.
< 1227447278 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to leave right about now
< 1227447351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smalltalk is awesome
< 1227447351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227447386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the christian god see thoughts?
< 1227447394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1227447417 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so
< 1227447423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1227447446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was this kid who made a cypher for god to solve.
< 1227447460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid
< 1227447460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227447465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's 7-yo
< 1227447481 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say that was a pretty fun idea, that young kids usually aren't very original
< 1227447482 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227447487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if that was his own idea.
< 1227447492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, we're trying to decypher it now.
< 1227447502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would give you to you, but it will decypher into finnish, so...
< 1227447510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1227447512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: showwwwww
< 1227447514 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vddl rbt cliks nt psd klhsm atfo
< 1227447525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've tried all letter-to-letter substitutions
< 1227447527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not it
< 1227447536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's random typing.
< 1227447568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. that's a risk i'm willing to take
< 1227447595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random typing based on what?
< 1227447605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: have you tried ALL letter-to-letter substitutions?
< 1227447607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. not just ROTs
< 1227447609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on kids being idiots?
< 1227447617 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all letter-to-letter substitutions
< 1227447623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, umm, i doubt a 7 year old would come up with a decent cypher :P
< 1227447647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was that age, all i did was come up with cyphers and alphabets
< 1227447652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but
< 1227447654 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had a pretty good memory back then
< 1227447654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're oklopol
< 1227447707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'm a bad example, yes, but i am *an* example
< 1227447716 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway there might be a solution
< 1227447731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i want to find it if there's one
< 1227447737 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1227447757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1227447760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trainingz
< 1227447775 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to try more algorithmic approaches later tonight
< 1227448233 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-138-29.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227448239 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1227448415 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Salut.
< 1227448575 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@212251174243.customer.cdi.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227448707 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@212251174243.customer.cdi.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227448707 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1227448832 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah ?
< 1227448879 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227448892 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you speak french ?
< 1227448901 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at my IP :o
< 1227448923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FRENCH LOVE
< 1227448928 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh !
< 1227448932 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :un français !
< 1227448948 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227448950 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, tu peux résider en France juste pour les vacances en fait, et donc être anglais :p
< 1227448961 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H� bien non.
< 1227448982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :NO FRENCHIES ALLOWED IN THIS CHANNEL (<-- complete lie)
< 1227448996 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ...
< 1227449007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :complete lies are very important.
< 1227449025 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we have to be discret here :-°
< 1227449036 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :(complete lie -->) (<-- complete lie)
< 1227449044 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT DO YOU DO NOW
< 1227449053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :(complete lie -->) <-- paradox --> (<-- complete lie)
< 1227449143 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227449333 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Divers6/Get_well_kermit.jpg
< 1227449347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: grooooooooooan
< 1227449370 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waaat
< 1227449400 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (lol)S
< 1227449400 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227450788 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227451847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is signal 6?
< 1227451856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E [23/Nov/2008:15:49:59 +0100] PID 13589 (/usr/libexec/cups/backend/hp) crashed on signal 6!
< 1227451858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is all I get
< 1227451859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1227451865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't print and I really really need it
< 1227451865 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the one following signal 5.
< 1227451869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1227451938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it seems dbus had crashed causing everything to malfunction
< 1227451945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet another reason to hate dbus
< 1227452993 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-49-57.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227453719 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-50.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227453804 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1227454966 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1227455031 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227455795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :(complete lie -->) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric (<-- complete lie)
< 1227455837 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Signal 5 is SIGTRAP, signal 6 is SIGABRT.
< 1227456056 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Won't be back for a while..."
< 1227456605 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227456897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1227456934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (h)S((m)S:^):^
< 1227456935 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ...too much output!
< 1227457077 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop it thutubot, you sound like a powerline
< 1227457214 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (B)S((Z)S:^):^
< 1227457216 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ...too much output!
< 1227457239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches Slereah run from the swarm
< 1227457243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help
< 1227457243 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
< 1227457293 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-085-216-040-186.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227457629 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227457753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1227457753 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* lovecraft pa speeches ss wp
< 1227457757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style nosuchstyle
< 1227457758 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found.
< 1227457760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227457766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style darwin
< 1227457767 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy)
< 1227457769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hi
< 1227457770 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in various mammals/ uterus graduates from a double organ with two distinct orifices and two passages, as in/ peacock.
< 1227457785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, why all the /?
< 1227457787 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: owing to/ shortness :)/ period, and over/ whole inner surface, sometimes for a shorter time in britain, what a splendid lot :) work you have published some remarks on/ inhabitants :) arakhan admire a broad, thin piece :) pure gelatine, moistened with saliva, solutions :) ammonia, 145,, its action is so plain that i could work into any subject. much attention was paid to learning by heart/ lessons :)/ previous day; thi
< 1227457796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why does that one generate so many / ?
< 1227457877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := the, :) = of
< 1227457885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm?
< 1227457887 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1227457890 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ = the, :) = of
< 1227457899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, err that makes no sense
< 1227457912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ic
< 1227457913 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ic (INTERCAL manual)
< 1227457919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how are yoy?
< 1227457919 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: c-intercal has a double-oh-seven causing it not to run the `go back', using `make install'. in each case, an array subscript
< 1227457919 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does, as fizzie has explained several times
< 1227457921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you*
< 1227457935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bug in the fungot tokenizing code
< 1227457936 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: e123 program has appropriate licensing terms to allow a possible character set as possible input.) similar considerations apply to array subscripts; see *note retrieve::) is already woven, which will make the distribution ( i.e. the dormant thread, rather than `.pax', which you can enter commands to run
< 1227459146 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227459173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: whence bathyspheres?
< 1227459173 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 14.1.9 ick_get/ setone/ twospot variable or expression mentioned), and the line label is encountered, it helps to enforce good programming style, by discouraging next-stack leaks ( which is the bit-reversal of the statement is encountered, it is also readily available for free for other compilers
< 1227460351 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think I've explained it at least thrice.
< 1227460478 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The script I build the "darwin" model with filtered out unused tokens, including punctuation; since Darwin never used :) and :(, this caused the two most common real tokens (actually I think it's :) = of, / = the) get allocated the numbers fungot's text generator thinks are still punctuation.
< 1227460478 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: w450 the documentor is not a `next from', and to allow abstaining from the start). if the optimizer more general, because they have the extension `.cio'; it is named after the start menu then typing `cmd' ( which must be in the `create' syntax in the same name if they don't mix well with `goto'.
< 1227460506 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227460518 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "owing to/ shortness :)/ period" => "owing to the shortness of the period".
< 1227460877 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227460915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm an idea then would be simply using sed on the model file
< 1227460917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to fix it
< 1227460975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it binary? I don't remember
< 1227461008 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary, yes, and not too simple.
< 1227461031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix the bug and regenerate then I guess :/
< 1227461066 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been fixed for ages, just haven't bothered to rerun; not quite sure what n-gram lengths I used there.
< 1227461080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have the symbols :) and / encoded in the files instead of hard coded
< 1227461080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1227461131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ?
< 1227461172 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that would mean regenerating all the _other_ styles
< 1227461178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is the code for 1-100 again
< 1227461217 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :809-936
< 1227461224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankees
< 1227461267 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Punctuation needs special spacing, that's probably the main reason they're not in the tokens.bin where all the other words are.
< 1227461284 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that the spacing would be correct right now either.
< 1227461369 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think the punctuation tokens are in tokens.bin, it's just that fungot's tokens-to-text has a hardcoded "if it's below K, it's punctuation, and here's what to do" code.
< 1227461369 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: as an argument to unary binary logic operator, or identical subexpressions). this causes the operand to be interesting. this error happens at runtime, as might be produced during the compilation will work, but because modern computers are likely to be a constant originally or because a subscript was too surprised to finish running and the changes you made to `resume' with a naive attempt to continue by some means at tha
< 1227461482 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't regenerate the Darwin model because I thought no-one cares; of course, by now I've probably spent more time explaining the problem than fixing it would've taken.
< 1227461695 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-50.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227461824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stage 95 RAAAAAAAAAAAGE
< 1227461879 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Road rage.
< 1227461893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIFJAILdsa
< 1227461893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-[as
< 1227461893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ads
< 1227461893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1227461894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asd
< 1227461931 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@084202205031.customer.alfanett.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227463476 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1227463652 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227464415 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227466737 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227468643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf @ 27
< 1227468902 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it was rather pointless.
< 1227469760 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227469762 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!
< 1227469763 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys!
< 1227469798 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.jaoo.dk/2008/11/21/art-and-code-obscure-or-beautiful-code/
< 1227469811 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they mention Befunge and Piet within the first 25 minutes! :O
< 1227469911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ollllllllld
< 1227469917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant talked about it yesterday morning.
< 1227469920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we talked about it.
< 1227469932 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :(
< 1227469937 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasnt paying attention
< 1227469944 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1227470262 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intercal!
< 1227470596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes what ehird said
< 1227470599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already watched it
< 1227470893 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shakespear! :O
< 1227470903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes we all seen it
< 1227470904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...........
< 1227470909 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silence! >|
< 1227471506 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227472495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that's pretty old, man.
< 1227472498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227472530 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, at least several days old
< 1227472542 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like 42 internet years
< 1227472737 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1227472780 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227472806 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227472909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227472975 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Level 55 has defeated me.
< 1227473057 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? 55 wasn't so bad, compared to some of the others.
< 1227473176 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get all the way around and do one of the flips surrounding the blue block, then I get back to the "water" and I can't get from the water to the next brick, I can't get enough momentum to get over there.
< 1227473184 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I must be doing something wrong, but I don't know what.
< 1227473189 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just "go under the green dot, jump up, hold right, jump around a bit, drop down to the middle of the green block and keep holding right".
< 1227473260 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just drop down and enter the green blocks from the left, then keep trying to move right; that way you'll eventually get the blue dot.
< 1227473273 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHHHHHHHHHHHHH
< 1227473277 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gad, it seems so obvious now.
< 1227473292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code for 55? i forget
< 1227473312 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :809-936
< 1227473321 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's the one for 100, but you get 55 too.
< 1227473329 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should write it down.
< 1227473370 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does it show the code?
< 1227473383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the state choosering screen
< 1227473384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Level selection screen, down there.
< 1227473386 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH
< 1227473389 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the bottom, got it :P
< 1227473391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone solve 99 for me?
< 1227473395 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION = incompetent.
< 1227473396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: k
< 1227473407 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a solver but i'd have to copy it manually.
< 1227473413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1227473414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1227473419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean
< 1227473420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for mazes
< 1227473420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...really what?
< 1227473424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://dotaction.fizzlebot.com/ see, it has your name on
< 1227473428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were destined for it
< 1227473431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yeah i made a maze generator once
< 1227473445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and naturally made a solver, but that took like 5 minutes
< 1227473446 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The maze part isn't that hard to do, getting through it in the time limit is another thing.
< 1227473458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a hard maze
< 1227473479 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't see the optimal path right away
< 1227473500 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter of my two attempts got me to the bottom-right corner even though I didn't even have the route solved yet, just did some intuitionary things.
< 1227473518 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's when I ran out of time, even though it just would've been a simple climb up.
< 1227473548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i could probably solve that without paper, it's just i'm not going to.
< 1227473571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i would solve it, but i thought i'd ask someone first :)
< 1227473585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love t his game
< 1227473605 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part that was mostly "guesswork" was just the "well, obviously I need to first climb up this left side, otherwise they wouldn't have put it there like this".
< 1227473641 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and there in the middle where there's a long drop, it's obviously "the right route must go up, because otherwise this wouldn't be a great place to accidentally fall down and be unable to finish".
< 1227473672 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i don't care for psychology
< 1227473674 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With that sort of logic I don't think I ended in any dead ends in that attempt.
< 1227473703 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just so bad at jumping off from 1-pixel niches that I'm not going to try to do it fast enough.
< 1227473720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : this game is the best game i have ever played
< 1227473720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :srs
< 1227473754 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boy, 56 sure doesn't SEEM like a time trial but it is.
< 1227473795 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That http://dotaction.fizzlebot.com/ link is to version 1.01; the original you pasted -- http://dagobah.biz/flash/dotact2.swf -- is 1.10.
< 1227473801 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the difference is.
< 1227473804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor I.
< 1227473804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227473896 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But dagobah.biz seems to be built by someone Finnish, because all the button graphics are in the directory "/painikkeet/" (Finnish for "buttons") and there are some comments like "<!-- Header DIV alkaa -->" and "... loppuu ..." where fi:alkaa == en:starts, fi:loppuu == en:ends.
< 1227473901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you do 57?
< 1227473918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dagobah.biz/
< 1227473921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish.
< 1227473925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be an irc channel.
< 1227473935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yodan piilopaikasta <- I'm going to assume this means "Yoda pedophile".
< 1227473945 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"from Yoda's hiding place".
< 1227473950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1227473953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yoda pedophile.
< 1227473974 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I did 57 by moving to the right, falling down a bit so I got the blue dot, then immediately moving right back before it's dropped so far that it can't get back on the platform.
< 1227473982 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's just a single jump to grab those others.
< 1227474028 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not a lot of time for trial-and-error, so I think it took me several attempts.
< 1227474145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like stage 47
< 1227474238 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zet-time in 47 is a bit too long for it to be challenging.
< 1227474285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stage 84 is just stage 4
< 1227474285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227474297 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there's quite a lot of reuse.
< 1227474326 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Played the first 20 or so levels again earlier today, and there were quite a lot of the later ones with lot more zot-time and lot less lava.
< 1227474345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stage 94 is nice.
< 1227474389 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never played through that one, since I stopped at 93.
< 1227474401 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227474437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :93 is a bitch.
< 1227474477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long does the last 93 zot last?
< 1227474527 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :55 units.
< 1227474584 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A long time, but not so long that it'd be easy to pick all blue dots.
< 1227474666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this  game hates everybody
< 1227474694 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf@57
< 1227474697 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T ANSWER THAT
< 1227474716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :57 hates butts
< 1227474717 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't we just talk about 57 some ten lines ago?
< 1227474725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1227474770 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMG 57 DONE ZOMG
< 1227475083 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :58 is easy to screw up in stupid ways :P
< 1227475143 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227475760 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :greetings human!
< 1227476325 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1227478685 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227479392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how goes jitfunge?
< 1227479562 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227479605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1227479643 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"h"
< 1227479733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh.
< 1227479736 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Haven't worked on it lately; there was that trip, and then that silly-ass game.
< 1227479739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: There's a "random mode" to that jap game.
< 1227479745 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh?
< 1227479746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Random mode>
< 1227479746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this mode, the dots have been randomly scattered on the course.
< 1227479746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After you reach the right goals. Score at the time as the time remaining will be added.
< 1227479747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the next level, the height of the goal when you started.
< 1227479747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dot every level rise, decreased the number of weapons, an increasing number of DENGEKIDOTTO reversed.
< 1227479749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over time, or numbness in the fall or when the game is over.
< 1227479751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this mode, the Internet is a corresponding ranking.
< 1227479753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Third option, it seem.
< 1227479755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1227479775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what game?
< 1227479785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ranking doesn't seem to load, though.
< 1227479795 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dagobah.biz/flash/dotact2.swf which has been about the only topic here today and yesterday-evening.
< 1227479806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, huh how boring
< 1227479809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and non-esoteric
< 1227479813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no flash games for me
< 1227479816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate them
< 1227479841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also just ignore such games
< 1227479851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any game except nethack
< 1227479863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh,I found the prequel.
< 1227479870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://offgao.no-ip.org/game/dotact/
< 1227479886 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, feel free to, but that's what I've been doing instead of jitfunge.
< 1227479922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how boring
< 1227479936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to complete original game
< 1227479942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 50 more levels :P
< 1227479953 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's not as if my purpose in life is to be entertaining to you, you know.
< 1227479958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indee
< 1227479962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never claimed it was
< 1227479963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unthinkable
< 1227479967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster is objectively right.
< 1227479969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always
< 1227479973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I just claim that flash games are boring
< 1227479980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genericly
< 1227479998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (ehird, I never claimed what fizzie said)S
< 1227479998 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I never claimed what fizzie said
< 1227480013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joy, now I need to ignore fungot too.
< 1227480013 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: w018 that was modified with `maybe' is generally insignificant in intercal normally) is the name of a space of time to get compiler warnings, and such an apparently non-standard format is being dimensioned by assigning dimensions to them; see *note grouping rules
< 1227480026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame; it's nice apart from the 'ignore-evading' thing.
< 1227480048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Hah, you abused that first, remember?)S
< 1227480048 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, you abused that first, remember?
< 1227480062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I did!
< 1227480064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now go away.
< 1227480080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Your own fault then *shrug*)S
< 1227480080 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your own fault then *shrug*
< 1227480084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk
< 1227480094 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could add the "nick: " prefix to all fungot's output, not just the chattery.
< 1227480094 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there are certain steps that can handle expressions even if the variable or variables mentioned lower down the stack, and selecting 1 from the left command has not finished; `coming from' in the first interpretation is the recommended technique for creating a statement, although i haven't figured out what it does, try reducing the number of variables. (').
< 1227480103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Could your perhaps make it not let arbitrary people write to the channel?
< 1227480104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227480118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would suggest blocking ehird
< 1227480125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as he put himself into this position
< 1227480131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would never had done it if he hadn't
< 1227480145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do I have any plans to do it except to point out what he did
< 1227480185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION read the logs out of curiosity. So AnMaster is suggesting blocking me from fungot because AnMaster is using it to evade my ignore of him.
< 1227480185 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: second, the attempt will silently fail ( just like you can load a debugger ( such as `,3 sub 4 5'). the solution is to allow a possible character set as possible input. ( this is the name of the array, it is documented.
< 1227480187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... see that logic.
< 1227480206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very simple, you did it before several times
< 1227480215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot more than me
< 1227480225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you want it to ignore me then you should also be ignored
< 1227480230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logically
< 1227480269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also I don't think such a prefix is needed
< 1227480271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc
< 1227480272 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
< 1227480278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hi
< 1227480279 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: which scheme book are you reading news through google? :) btw, i found a new spot?" a: " i tried todo a ¬_¬ then" " but not sure
< 1227480296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, really?
< 1227480296 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you just did. unsatisfiedlinkerror." " oh, we have lots of euros in comps like 1200 localtime, ends fnord.
< 1227480302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, how nice
< 1227480308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn*
< 1227480314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<==
< 1227480549 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227481912 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227481990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol:
< 1227481995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://offgao.no-ip.org/game/dotact/
< 1227481996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 more levels!
< 1227482015 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old.
< 1227482016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thanks
< 1227482021 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was searching the logs for that link
< 1227482022 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227482024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1227482044 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw it when skimming the logs, now realized i kinda want to see the differencers
< 1227482062 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats this thing ehird? :o
< 1227482067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :game
< 1227483849 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227486229 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227486245 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227490177 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-130-100.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227491309 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :(complete lie -->) http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric (<-- and so's your FACE)
< 1227491917 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stage 64 has me forgetting what direction gravity goes.
< 1227492674 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down?
< 1227494425 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227496850 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1227496872 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227498045 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227498875 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227500573 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227501629 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227502415 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227504110 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227504203 0 :GregorR!n=GregorR@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227504248 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dig my groovy hostname :P
< 1227504280 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1227504292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((dig )S:^):^
< 1227504293 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig dig  ...too much output!
< 1227504311 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1227504722 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1227505289 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat"
< 1227505664 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227506545 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ((f)S:^):^
< 1227506546 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ...too much output!
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< 1227507449 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227508564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1227508842 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227511877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1227513599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1227513600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227514960 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227515962 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I'm a thaasophobic."
< 1227518923 0 :kt3k!n=stibium_@FL1-122-130-193-58.kyt.mesh.ad.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227526522 0 :jix!n=jix@paed-gw.schule.bremen.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227528104 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227528106 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227528106 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227528106 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227528343 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1227528358 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my thoughts exactly!
< 1227528390 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you gimma the pw for level 100 again :D i don't really feel like stopping @ 98
< 1227528390 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227528425 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :809-936
< 1227528446 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 086-754 for them specialities.
< 1227528509 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i'll ever even look at them
< 1227529902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok:
< 1227529906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how goes the original version
< 1227530779 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not playing it
< 1227530792 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the levels are much less interesting
< 1227530811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah agreed
< 1227530812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1227530815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for completism :P
< 1227530828 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER
< 1227530838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: play the prequel so oklokok does
< 1227530970 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyy
< 1227530974 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not very nice
< 1227530977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct
< 1227530978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227530978 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did play 15 levels
< 1227530994 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i died and thought it'd be a nice spot to give yp
< 1227530996 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yp
< 1227531586 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did more than I; I don't think I played more than four levels of the original one.
< 1227533219 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
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< 1227535204 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1227535471 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-079-196.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227535827 0 :kt3k!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CHOCOA"
< 1227537922 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
< 1227538268 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1227540301 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227541225 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227541234 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-45.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227542872 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227543929 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227545326 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227545882 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1227545940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, there?
< 1227545942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or fizzie
< 1227545986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What on earth should L (roll) in FRTH do when the first popped argument is negative
< 1227546019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"crash" is wrong answer, but from a quick look at my code I suspect I do that currently
< 1227546094 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install a Forth and see what it does.
< 1227546097 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what does L do for a positive arg?
< 1227546147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well it is a RC/Funge-98 fingerprint so not well defined. So yet again I reverse engineered CCBI for that
< 1227546156 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's rotation of n stack elements, then i suggest -n should rotate them the opposite way.  that may even be what forth does.
< 1227546158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I don't know FORTH
< 1227546181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't recall)
< 1227546223 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: neither do I. Doesn't prevent you from looking up a simple tutorial to see the syntax and then typing "1 2 3 4 -2 ROLL" or whatever
< 1227546240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1227546241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if n takes the nth element and moves it to the top, -n should move the top element to place n
< 1227546265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I don't crash I get memory errors
< 1227546273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fixes
< 1227546284 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-n takes the nth element and moves it to the top, but going via the bottom? ;-)
< 1227546300 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. the other way)
< 1227546304 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's funny, laugh)
< 1227546364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick ( a0 .. an n -- a0 .. an a0 )
< 1227546387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :roll ( a0 .. an n -- a1 .. an a0 )
< 1227546389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found that
< 1227546392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm
< 1227546405 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, about what i thought it was
< 1227546406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost looks like RC-Funge specs
< 1227546407 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially: pick copies the nth, roll moves the nth.
< 1227546421 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick -n actually might want to do from the bottom
< 1227546440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like python list indexing iirc
< 1227546489 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess you _could_ do that for roll too.  is there an opposite operation to roll?
< 1227546534 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227546541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, having the -n work opposite of n is too useful to drop i think
< 1227546582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well  *checks what rc/funge does*
< 1227546637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's forth and does shit with memory, a negative argument will make it opposite memory the other way than it's meant to
< 1227546638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1227546641 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally you would want an operation that shifts top n of stack m places
< 1227546647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing doesnt have much safety features
< 1227546703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'm not sure what rc/funge does... the code is so messy and hard to read.
< 1227546729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes it crashes
< 1227546738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not with a small enough integer
< 1227546754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably memset() the stack in advance or something
< 1227546841 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to read the code to know what it does, just run a test program :-P
< 1227546857 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhoo, Factor at least complains if it's negative
< 1227546859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes indeed. but I did with -1 and it didn't crash.
< 1227546872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 0aaaa***- L it did crash
< 1227546874 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or zero
< 1227546883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so reflect then
< 1227546903 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: whether it crashes or not is system- and time-of-day- and various-other-things-dependent
< 1227546929 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it does an invalid memory read/write various things can happen.
< 1227546943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ccbi? well I can't check with valgrind since I get "valgrind: wrong ELF executable class (eg. 32-bit instead of 64-bit)"
< 1227546946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when trying on ccbi
< 1227546960 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why valgrind?
< 1227546983 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll probably crash loudly if it does something wrong :-P
< 1227546985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :valgrind is the answer to everything.
< 1227546986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh.
< 1227547005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it didn't crash
< 1227547010 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I run init(8) under valgrind just to be safe!
< 1227547018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also valgrind can tell you if it is off by one or such :P
< 1227547025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while it might not crash then
< 1227547028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto.
< 1227547031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be slightly corrupted
< 1227547036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the only binary on my system is nethack.
< 1227547042 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and valgrind
< 1227547048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227547054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :valgrind is part of nethack
< 1227547056 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta have valgrind
< 1227547060 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see
< 1227547063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which includes an OS
< 1227547070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it merged with emacs and firefox a while back.
< 1227547076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it recompiles every program _on usage_
< 1227547079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for speed and control
< 1227547093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they  don't meet my stringent programming guidelines, it wipes it from my system.
< 1227547114 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's why you've only got nethack? ;-)
< 1227547132 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which, by the way, has notoriously crap code)
< 1227547152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having looked at nethack's code I would be quite surprised if it didn't crash under valgrind
< 1227547154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no, i use AnMaster's clone of nethack.
< 1227547162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's written in befunge-98 and uses remarkably clean code.
< 1227547166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every character is commented
< 1227547174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's indented with indent(1)
< 1227547178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it uses all funge-108 features
< 1227547181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell no it wouldn't be
< 1227547184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and requires its posix optimizations to run fast.
< 1227547185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use astyle
< 1227547188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly a beautiful thing.
< 1227547195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION quietly vomits to the side ->
< 1227547200 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I wonder what indent(1) does to Befunge
< 1227547209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, isn't indent only for C+
< 1227547210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1227547214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/+$//
< 1227547215 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227547219 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK yes
< 1227547219 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-45.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227547235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well also valgrind *is* useful to find memory corruption.
< 1227547242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as leaks
< 1227547276 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1227547358 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://audacious-media-player.org/ :-/
< 1227547415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it tells yo what you need to know 'bout the ostfware!
< 1227547455 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not even :-P
< 1227547465 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping it would though
< 1227547625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I commited a fix for cfunge now
< 1227547635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will now reflect on negative arguments to L and P
< 1227547656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ccbi doesn't reflect but nor did it crash in my test
< 1227547670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better check that to make sure
< 1227547772 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227547800 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it pushes 0 but I'm not sure
< 1227548445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm ok
< 1227548462 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-079-196.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227548466 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just test it and see what it does to the stack :-P
< 1227548499 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-63-181.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227549529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tusho
< 1227549684 0 :tusho!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird
< 1227549767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no his stack asplode
< 1227549811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: keep it pg 13
< 1227549991 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess someone should, just for the variety
< 1227550336 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/314864/how-to-generate-a-mandelbrot-with-t-sql :)
< 1227550355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old.
< 1227550359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a ripoff of a daily wtf article
< 1227550534 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with credit
< 1227551566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, heh
< 1227552857 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-63-181.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227552961 0 :nooga!n=nooga@89.174.55.154 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227553461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is it "some code have been ..." or should it be "some code has been ..."?
< 1227553503 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is pretty sure code is singular
< 1227553518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some code, some car? some cars?
< 1227553520 0 :pgimeno!n=pgimeno@195-5-95-34.usul.arrakis.es JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227553523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one code, two code?
< 1227553524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1227553532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm just confused there
< 1227553551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code isn't countable?
< 1227553552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, code is a mass noun in that meaning
< 1227553553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1227553576 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227553608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1227553610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so has then?
< 1227553645 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume
< 1227553657 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: around?
< 1227553668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that leads to an interesting question oerjan
< 1227553683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh!
< 1227553687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you just "assume" in general? Or something specific?
< 1227553711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I know what it means in English. But it is a horrible language construct IMO
< 1227553732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would expect "I assume <something>"
< 1227553733 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so"
< 1227553749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm?
< 1227553757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume "so"
< 1227553769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227553774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1227553906 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am obnoxious
< 1227553943 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1227553943 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1227553955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, who?
< 1227553962 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1227553967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227555072 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1227555246 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: Depends on what you want to know :P
< 1227555267 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1227555294 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I finally did it: http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/esoteric/orkdemo.php
< 1227555323 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs all examples except orkipple (but that's hard to debug)
< 1227555373 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, awesome.
< 1227555397 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: also, some of the pages in codu.org don't work
< 1227555418 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: It just went down last weekend and I've been rebuilding it. Examples?
< 1227555440 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the OBLISK page
< 1227555468 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aware of that, but SourceForge fucked it up so that'll take a while to come back.
< 1227555475 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
< 1227555488 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Along with all the other SF projects ... I'm moving them all to Codu now)
< 1227555490 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the pages made in giki are the ones failing
< 1227555499 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Egg-zactly.
< 1227555508 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SourceForge deleted all the persistent files X_X
< 1227555509 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess it's a problem with the data dir
< 1227555513 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch!
< 1227555546 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of makes me wonder what "persistent" was supposed to mean.
< 1227555553 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227555557 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1227555578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pgimeno> GregorR: I finally did it: http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/esoteric/orkdemo.php
< 1227555579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1227555582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORK?
< 1227555586 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1227555591 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I got a SliceHost account, so I now have absolute control muahahaha
< 1227555591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what one is that
< 1227555603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a question "ORK huh?"
< 1227555610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after reading the <title>
< 1227555623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, what one is ORK now again
< 1227555627 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: an awesome "natural-looking" language written by GregorR
< 1227555629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :name sounds familiar but I can't place it
< 1227555636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to esolang wiki
< 1227555645 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There's a scribe named Will" and so.
< 1227555652 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: great
< 1227555653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shakespear
< 1227555661 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not even related
< 1227555664 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shakespear sucks.
< 1227555667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: why did you reinvent the wheel with giki? :P
< 1227555668 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORK > Shakespear
< 1227555678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, I find the language Shakespear quite fun
< 1227555679 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I didn't, I based it on another Wiki I had been using.
< 1227555687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1227555690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, even more so when acted out in real life
< 1227555693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the programs I mean
< 1227555696 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227555699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember url atm
< 1227555704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes someone did it
< 1227555725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about half way through a history of programming languages
< 1227555736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watched it just two days ago or so
< 1227555788 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: there are a few bugs in the current ORK, e.g. cat is doubly broken (both on the program and on the interpreter side)
< 1227555810 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COOL
< 1227555859 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the quine is broken too
< 1227555892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1227555898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone got a formal grammar for it?
< 1227555901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BNF or such
< 1227555938 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wish I had... the spec is so incomplete that I had to rewrite parts already done quite often while writing the interpreter
< 1227555946 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^
< 1227555975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, basically I can't figure out the rules for it
< 1227555983 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry GregorR but it would have helped a lot to have one)
< 1227555989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the examples on the wiki just look like English
< 1227555992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1227555994 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's modelled closely after C++ objects
< 1227556003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obviously not *every* English line can be valid
< 1227556003 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1227556010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or syntax check would not be possible
< 1227556028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also isn't parsing natural languages considered "AI-complete"
< 1227556034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc wikipedia said so
< 1227556039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that may be wrong
< 1227556046 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/files/ork/doc/README
< 1227556048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so some subset
< 1227556054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1227556086 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a natural language, the grammar is quite restricted actually
< 1227556100 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still so lovely :)
< 1227556746 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
< 1227556918 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-079-196.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227556925 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227558363 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-253.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227559177 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1227559177 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1227559834 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-29.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227560217 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227560869 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
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< 1227561247 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227561248 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1227562119 0 :nooga!n=nooga@eoy39.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227562202 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should quantize surface, assign mass and load to each vertex and treat edges like springs...
< 1227562219 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to draw that damn graph the way i would like
< 1227563697 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you're going to rewrite neato(1)
< 1227563940 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or fdp(1); there's a lot of them string-like approaches.
< 1227564087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: have I mentioned that your usage of "them Xs" amuses me greatly?
< 1227564088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it does
< 1227564141 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how good a habit it is, really, but I can't seem to shake it.
< 1227564443 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: dot can't do the thing i want
< 1227564449 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK
< 1227564616 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neato is not dot, though.
< 1227564713 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet that neato can't do that anyway
< 1227564766 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you want it to do, then?
< 1227564789 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't inherently do a grid very well, but you could probably abuse it.
< 1227564806 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it won't be a grid graph
< 1227564830 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just vertices placed on a grid + connections shortest possible
< 1227565005 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neato is not good at large (where "large" is not yet very large, something like fungot's 1000-node graph was already pretty painful, and not doable with some node overlap removal algorithms) graphs.
< 1227565005 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oops. argh. feeling like cheating to me :) but i didn't see that
< 1227565012 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227565203 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227565319 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm not sure if you've seen the link.
< 1227565323 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/fungotsmall.png
< 1227565324 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well mine was left justified with no additional spaces between words in a language like fnord or message-case or fnord. in turkic languages, it just says hello.
< 1227565329 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's with dot; neato was very messier.
< 1227565655 0 :pgimeno_!n=pgimeno@195-5-95-34.usul.arrakis.es JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227565865 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227566202 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what this graph represents?
< 1227566551 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fungot's source (few revisions in the past); let's see if I can find some graph that is readable.
< 1227566551 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it doesn't specify even any records/ struct types. he just hasn't adapted to people who dont want to create
< 1227566596 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/ignore.png has (an old version of) the ignore handling.
< 1227566628 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a bit of static code analysis, picking up |_ ifs, the 'w' compare instruction, 'j' jump tables (with a simple heuristic) and maybe something else too.
< 1227566656 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it generates the basic blocks of the code and writes those as linear strings of Funge instructions, and builds that graph out of them.
< 1227566860 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1227566895 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was fungot  written by hand?
< 1227566895 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: in canada, they've ruled against caffeine in ' fnord'
< 1227566899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES
< 1227566901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes
< 1227566918 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh
< 1227566953 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I don't know of any compilers that would generate sensible-looking code.
< 1227567165 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe some software aid
< 1227567171 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever editor
< 1227567174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope.
< 1227567174 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sth
< 1227567183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge isn't hard
< 1227567216 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not easy, but it's by any means hard for an esolang.
< 1227567225 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's written in Vim, anyway.
< 1227567225 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that is pure marketing.
< 1227567233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227567234 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227567239 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Shush, I'll get them to buy licenses or something.
< 1227567240 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think there's a very limited area in fact.
< 1227567245 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one was good
< 1227567253 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What do you mean? Everyone wants a fungot!
< 1227567253 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if you don't find a solution to the first argument
< 1227567269 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very uncooperative bot, that.
< 1227567280 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the source?
< 1227567293 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt
< 1227567294 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: musta on aika väärin, ettei jotkut ihmiset tajuu irkkaa 24/ 7 on his phd thesis
< 1227567332 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
< 1227567409 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227567429 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa.
< 1227567434 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like nice noise
< 1227567436 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a bit of Finnish there.
< 1227567486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PONG :fungot
< 1227567487 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: lament sent it if i'm right, you're still here, i'd add to that set? hm. i've got it now
< 1227567493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PING :fungot
< 1227567493 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: as bf interpreted in bf is with a fnord struct, where the voter can't even know for sure
< 1227567496 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mixed in with #esoteric and #scheme, there's a tiny bit of ircnet's #douglasadams, which occasionally has had few lines of Finnish.
< 1227567532 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who did that awesome ttd logic thingy?
< 1227567537 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did.
< 1227567547 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omfg
< 1227567554 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot that it was you
< 1227567560 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure awesomness
< 1227567563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What ar eyou talkin' bout?
< 1227567573 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Probably http://zem.fi/ttd_logic/
< 1227567581 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1227567582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1227567749 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the language used in section 3.4. The 4-bit adder
< 1227567749 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1227567764 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just some unnamed pseudocode, I think.
< 1227567810 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks a bit like a horrible mixture of MATLAB and C, though.
< 1227567814 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish!
< 1227567828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish = matlab + c
< 1227567916 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks as if i could use something like this as an input language for my logic circuit integrator
< 1227568211 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1227568912 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. When I compile the brainfuck-interpreter from redivider into python code, I get 15467 lines (almost 400kb)
< 1227569334 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12k of those lines are the atoi/itoa code.
< 1227569462 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1227569568 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The redivider source: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Redivider/Brainfuck_Interpreter
< 1227569790 0 :warrie!n=Peggy@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227569794 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone say Redivider?
< 1227569796 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ello.
< 1227569799 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAH
< 1227569829 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAAAAlo!
< 1227569863 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1227569927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: warrie invented redivider
< 1227569932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should show him your redivider stuffs.
< 1227570019 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, looks like optbot is absent.
< 1227570069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1227570074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get him up sometime.
< 1227570080 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome (generated) color scheme: [["#082E17"],["#DCEBFD"],["#46DE87"]]
< 1227570090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Show in a more human form? :P
< 1227570097 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I can't. This is IRC.
< 1227570105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: URIs. Use 'em.
< 1227570118 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an HTML pastebin somewhere? X-P
< 1227570186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yes, it's called scp.
< 1227570193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-or-
< 1227570195 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<html><head><style>body{background-color:#082E17;color:#DCEBFD;};a{color:#46DE87;};</style></head><body>This is a <a href="#">test</a>.</body></html>
< 1227570196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abuse hpaste's raw feature
< 1227570198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hpaste.org
< 1227570210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to the ongoing War on Spam, pastes may not contain HTML links. Please remove or obfuscate and try again. (In most browsers, pressing Back will leave the entry space filled in.)
< 1227570212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poop fuck
< 1227570213 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: I wrote the linked stuff at the bottom of http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Redivider ... and now also a redivider -> python compiler
< 1227570236 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Just put it in an effing file X-P
< 1227570245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jk
< 1227570249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*k
< 1227570275 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool.
< 1227570277 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, the link didn't show as the right color.
< 1227570312 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<html><head><style>body{background-color:#082E17;color:#DCEBFD;};a:link{color:#46DE87;};</style></head><body>This is a <a href="#">test</a>.</body></html>
< 1227570312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many ;s
< 1227570317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: no
< 1227570317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;a
< 1227570319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what breaks it
< 1227570330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a{} works
< 1227570332 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see.
< 1227570345 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<html><head><style>body{background-color:#082E17;color:#DCEBFD;} a{color:#46DE87;}</style></head><body>This is a <a href="#">test</a>.</body></html>
< 1227570348 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go :P
< 1227570349 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :redivider looks nice
< 1227570374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: or just }a{
< 1227570374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227570410 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just }your MOM{
< 1227570448 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa iiiii neeeed fooooood
< 1227570529 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feeds nooga a nooga.
< 1227570539 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omomomomomom
< 1227570663 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your noms are missing the 'n's
< 1227570710 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227570715 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m
< 1227570721 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomnomnomnom
< 1227570739 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your nom chain is missing the initial om
< 1227570755 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omnomnomnomnom
< 1227570760 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good.
< 1227570766 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :burp
< 1227570768 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moar
< 1227570785 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION applys moar.
< 1227570797 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's different to "applies", btw)
< 1227570822 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227570828 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :siesta time
< 1227570876 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night
< 1227570896 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1227571815 0 :pgimeno_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/colortry.php?c[]=082E17&c[]=DCEBFD&c[]=46DE87
< 1227571836 0 :pgimeno_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pgimeno
< 1227571902 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227571999 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227573417 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing Variations on the Annoying Nokia Theme
< 1227573441 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid that one is from spanish origin
< 1227573463 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any pointers on the Variations?
< 1227573512 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1227573603 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the Nokia ringtone [...] is based on T�rrega's Gran Vals." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_T%A1rrega
< 1227573609 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the Nokia ringtone [...] is based on T�rrega's Gran Vals." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_T%C3%A1rrega
< 1227573815 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1227573891 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, mine is jazzy, his probably wasn't :P
< 1227573908 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227575066 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227576848 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-45.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227577195 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227578351 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Krysztafa
< 1227578926 0 :Krysztafa!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun
< 1227579426 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I got Quithed to DEATH"
< 1227579909 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-192-102-5.zone6.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227579944 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1227580117 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227580176 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1227580207 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howzit goin
< 1227580246 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got by beat up by pizza delivery guys, discuss
< 1227580726 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1227582457 0 :kt3k!n=stibium_@FL1-122-130-193-58.kyt.mesh.ad.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227582542 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227583356 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227584317 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pgimeno> GregorR: there are a few bugs in the current ORK, e.g. cat is doubly broken (both on the program and on the interpreter side)
< 1227584330 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant on the *compiler* side, sorry
< 1227585085 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227588948 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/esoteric/orkspec.txt - any omissions?
< 1227589133 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok guys look at this loser
< 1227589135 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lbrandy.com/blog/2008/11/the-hardest-test-i-ever-gave-c/
< 1227589193 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he get's all snarky about paying attention to detail and then: "void main(int)"
< 1227589197 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his code doesn't even compile
< 1227589778 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: might i suggest using that-relative clauses instead of which-relative clauses? they feel more natural
< 1227589805 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: example please?
< 1227589813 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An ape can have a neighbour which is an ape.
< 1227589814 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :becomes
< 1227589818 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An ape can have a neighbour that is an ape.
< 1227589907 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: oh sorry, the language is already defined by GregorR, it's just that the specs are not as complete as desirable. That is not a new spec.
< 1227589922 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. well gregorr, same to you. :P
< 1227590000 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off to bed, I'll read any response after some sleep
< 1227590122 0 :kt3k!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CHOCOA"
< 1227592079 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it doesn't? i thought c++ lets you skip the names of arguments if you don't use them.
< 1227592107 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is the reason declarations don't have them, they have no body)
< 1227592109 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1227592119 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, right, main takes two arguments.
< 1227592161 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was basically just assuming you were wrong and finding a reason why ;)
< 1227592568 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get #5, how is that hard, is there a trick?
< 1227592578 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the solution, y = 3 evaluates to true
< 1227592589 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*answer
< 1227592646 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, that's like the first thing each and every c++ tutorial teaches, "=" doesn't check for equality
< 1227592754 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, if someone doesn't see the quotation marks in the bonus, they are either blind, or not programmers.
< 1227592777 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a trivial test :|
< 1227592832 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i hate that guy already, "this test i made ooohh it's so hard just look at how cool it is"
< 1227592873 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: c++ lets you do that?
< 1227592888 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's the wrong type
< 1227592892 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be char**
< 1227592939 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have seen the programming classes at my highschool
< 1227592958 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went to the room to work on a computer one day while they were in class
< 1227592960 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was terrible
< 1227593074 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i'm pretty sure it does. haven't tested though.
< 1227593085 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's dumb
< 1227593093 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is?
< 1227593121 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1227593127 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's mostly for inheritance things, you know, not needing some arg anymore or something
< 1227593159 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well main returning void is still an error
< 1227593200 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have pretty decent c++ exercises, which i actually should start doing right now.
< 1227593221 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot i had to return them today, so fun c++ morning \o/
< 1227593309 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i can't say i know main's rules. but i'm pretty sure that's wrong too, although i'm also sure gcc compiles it.
< 1227593333 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.cpp:1: error: ‘::main’ must return ‘int’
< 1227593335 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not
< 1227593346 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah okay, makes sense
< 1227593351 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just assumed he'd have tested.
< 1227593420 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a really hard test would not ask what the standard says, but what *different implementations* do. i mean, that's what you'll be using in practise, so good to know their quirks for situations where the standard is fuzzy ;)
< 1227593471 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dubious
< 1227593484 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he explains at the bottom that he was not trying to be smug, but just showing what an ass he'd been as a first-time teacher
< 1227593504 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that dubious, mister
< 1227593513 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teaching to a specific implementation is bad
< 1227593559 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to teach the standard and the various implementations, which beginning programming teachers don't have the skill or time to do
< 1227593572 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1227593581 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you teach them, how's it a hard test
< 1227593585 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you teach the standard
< 1227593602 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mention you ask implementations.
< 1227593630 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then you are a bad teacher for not giving your students the resources they need to pass your dumb test
< 1227593674 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well tbh i was not being all that serious.
< 1227593695 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would probably just ask for something that makes sense if i was a teacher
< 1227593710 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ isn't a good language for nitpicking
< 1227593714 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate c++
< 1227593739 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to love it, then i hated it, now i like it in theory, but probably wouldn't like to program in it.
< 1227593914 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...
< 1227593937 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C on the other hand
< 1227593939 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the test was really easy but it was graded backwards?
< 1227593939 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fun
< 1227593962 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that you didn't get points at all! how about that? is that good hard?
< 1227593978 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is okay, i probably wouldn't like programming in it either
< 1227593988 0 :Organ_used_homos!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-83-45.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227593989 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean "probably"?
< 1227593997 0 :Organ_used_homos!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean probably
< 1227593997 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you like programming in?
< 1227594000 0 :Organ_used_homos!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah
< 1227594008 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a pythonist nowadays
< 1227594009 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I like programming in Scheme/
< 1227594013 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or python, too
< 1227594016 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme is fun
< 1227594022 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They both have their advantages
< 1227594024 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i just do python. the ide opens fast.
< 1227594028 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike C.
< 1227594036 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme is fun
< 1227594063 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme is fun in theory, but i've decided i hate sexps.
< 1227594079 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You hate sex?
< 1227594080 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they delocalize the code writing process
< 1227594086 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S-expressions?
< 1227594095 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1227594110 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everything you do requires wrappering in parens, it's simply annoying to write
< 1227594116 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: no the other sexp
< 1227594125 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the other is
< 1227594144 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then maybe you shouldn't be in a conversation about scheme you filthy noob?
< 1227594151 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's the first kind of sexp.)
< 1227594185 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok
< 1227594188 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive
< 1227594189 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HATE CRIME
< 1227594191 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows it goin?
< 1227594236 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well i got beat up by pizza delivery guys, been trying to solve this cypher a 7-yo did "for god to decypher", and playing the dotact2 game
< 1227594255 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can choose the most interesting one for further questions
< 1227594272 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1227594288 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was this pizza delivery guy trying to engage in klingon sex with you?
< 1227594373 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1227594377 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's klingon sex like?
< 1227594396 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rough.
< 1227594435 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one headbutted me to the ground, then two of them elbowed me a few times, but that was pretty irrelevant for damage
< 1227594443 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did not rape me
< 1227594456 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I rape you?
< 1227594474 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the exact meaning of "can"
< 1227594480 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not sure it does
< 1227594487 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could, so maybe you should be more specific
< 1227594823 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1227594896 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rand
< 1227595038 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A = A >:|
< 1227595091 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm bored
< 1227595215 0 :konr!n=konr@201.82.228.185 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227595267 0 :konr!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227595506 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1227595513 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate how people confused common lisp with lisp
< 1227595586 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who confused?
< 1227595622 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another channel
< 1227595657 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're on quite many channels i've never heard about
< 1227595666 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lie, i've whoissed you manyfold
< 1227595714 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i'm sure what that means
< 1227595795 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MODE +i PLEASE
< 1227595838 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why i
< 1227595900 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :commonlisp is a horrible evil dialect of lisp
< 1227595904 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme for ever!
< 1227595955 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yes
< 1227595969 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously. clisp is so ugly D:
< 1227595995 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#' disagrees with you!
< 1227596009 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1227596012 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#' is wrong?
< 1227596031 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1227596038 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever programmed cl?
< 1227596045 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1227596050 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its so painful :(
< 1227596061 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#'x is a reader macro for (function x)
< 1227596064 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of why cl is ugly
< 1227596073 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a what?
< 1227596077 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell does that mean??
< 1227596099 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it basically just something that lets you use the function as a value?
< 1227596111 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do i misrememberize this all now is that it
< 1227596115 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you need something to allow that?
< 1227596117 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is lisp
< 1227596121 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats like.. built it
< 1227596123 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i have never programmed common lisp)
< 1227596127 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: yes, that's the problem. functions should be values by default
< 1227596133 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yarr
< 1227596147 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i first read about that, i was like "wtf, and lisp is supposed to be beautiful?!?"
< 1227596155 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i learned about scheme
< 1227596164 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme is beautiful :D
< 1227596170 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme i've actually programmed in!
< 1227596184 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive got quite a large program in scheme right now :o
< 1227596218 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it your parser that parses all that is cool?
< 1227596225 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generator, not parser
< 1227596228 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes
< 1227596349 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i mean your enflammolator
< 1227596356 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227596462 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :310 lines of code so far. its the longest lisp program ive ever written :O
< 1227596527 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you used to have another nick?
< 1227596534 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me?
< 1227596539 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally augur
< 1227596564 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i think i've written a longer one.
< 1227596575 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only real program in scheme
< 1227596585 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im actually porting this from javascript where i have the prototype version
< 1227596600 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey that's insulting to scheme.
< 1227596608 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the JS version uses lots of imperative behavior thats hard to do in scheme
< 1227596610 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whys it insulting? :P
< 1227596645 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wrote it in js first so you could then compile manually to scheme, it's insulting :P
< 1227596677 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i wrote it in JS first because i had a deadline and needed to have a quick and dirty UI
< 1227596682 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227596689 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i had no real idea precisely how i was going to tackle the problem
< 1227596715 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i do admit functional programming often requires you to have a better idea of what you are doing.
< 1227596717 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took like like three days to code the JS to get it right
< 1227596721 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that i know what the requirements are, translating it into lisp is quite fast
< 1227596740 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it took more than three days, sorry
< 1227596742 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 6
< 1227596742 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1227596746 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227596764 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i could code something for 6 days :P
< 1227596774 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you need to be passionate :)
< 1227596790 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am passionate, but i get some kinda block after a few days.
< 1227596791 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, im coding the demostration of my thesis project
< 1227596792 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1227596800 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isnt a 6 day thing here
< 1227596810 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this whole project is a whole school year
< 1227596816 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like 8 months
< 1227596825 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if i had a deadline, i'd probably work 24/7.
< 1227596829 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot of it is pure new research
< 1227596841 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have deadlines for a few coding projects, but they are pure crap.
< 1227596846 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadlines <3
< 1227596920 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you count what i did as a kid, and some games i've slowly enhanced for ages, oklotalk is probably my longest project.
< 1227596939 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it took like 3 days (i could prolly do it in one day now)
< 1227596959 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a kid i could work on a project for like a month
< 1227596963 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't programmed for like 6 months
< 1227596983 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays i can get the same results in a few hours, the problem is that's pretty much as far as my patience allows me to go
< 1227596996 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: then what have you been doing?
< 1227597001 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing :(
< 1227597018 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what happens when you stop schoolz
< 1227597028 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you're proud of yourself
< 1227597030 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: are you doing any research tho?
< 1227597032 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it started before i dropped out
< 1227597096 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: about oklotalk? well i guess you could say i did before implementing it, making sure i knew what i was doing, but that was just a highschool project
< 1227597100 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean in general.
< 1227597131 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started at the uni like two and a half months ago, i'm learning the basics atm.
< 1227597157 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :== no.
< 1227597199 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i was in the same situation, then i started university, and now i'm filled with energy, doing all kinds of small projects all the time.
< 1227597211 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :university is awesome
< 1227597224 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1227597229 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha yeah right
< 1227597234 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227597235 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the told me about high school
< 1227597240 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, doing research will give you a nice long project or two to work on
< 1227597241 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, me too
< 1227597245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was bullshit
< 1227597271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :high school was a waste of time, i could just as well have sat in a dark room for three years
< 1227597311 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yes, i believe that. a thesis would be the kind of deadline that would get me working.
< 1227597342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also now i'm stuck at irc because i have to stand up and go get me something to drink, and i don't feel like moving.
< 1227597352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please be quiet for a while so i can't do it.
< 1227597377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "can", depending what "it" referred to, there
< 1227597388 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i need something to drink
< 1227597395 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, whats your major??
< 1227597408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea really, my english, and my overall speakingious capacities seem to be getting worser all the times
< 1227597410 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: cs
< 1227597416 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer sex
< 1227597420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*science
< 1227597422 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want to research in cs?
< 1227597435 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: so many things i'm glad i don't have to choose right now.
< 1227597450 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well list a few of them :p
< 1227597460 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably combining logic programming and OO with ai.
< 1227597472 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227597474 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AI is fun
< 1227597479 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent touched any of it, really, but i want to
< 1227597519 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im already working on a computational generative syntax, and presumably i'm also going to work on a parser for it as well, i guess
< 1227597546 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and having a language-to-semantics system would be useful for doing AI i think
< 1227597619 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :language is fun too, even natural language, also digital logic, games, anything involving algorithms really...
< 1227597690 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you really od find NLP/CompLing stuff interesting, I can tell you as much as I can dredge up about the topic
< 1227597698 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm mostly thinking combining the imperative kinda OO with an AI so you can do prolog-style search (but preferably more structured and intelligentt) for parts you don't have any kinda explicit optimization or good ideas for.
< 1227597703 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*intelligent
< 1227597794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: you could teach me phonetics at some point...... .... ........ .. ....
< 1227597824 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could. to be honest, phonetics really needs physical presence so you can hear the sounds.
< 1227597828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just for fun / general wanting not to suck of course, i'm not really especially interested in phonetics
< 1227597844 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phonetics isnt interesting
< 1227597852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it isn't.
< 1227597852 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucking at phonetics is like sucking at spelling
< 1227597858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1227597869 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to say, it doesn't matter unless you care about spelling.
< 1227597870 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227597877 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1227597881 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, if you want to do speech recognition/synthesis its important
< 1227597887 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise its irrelevant
< 1227597893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i prefer to take that as "you gotta know it, but it's not really that cool if you do"
< 1227597919 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you dont have to know it in order to do theoretical linguistics
< 1227597936 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: no, but you have to know it in order¨¨¨¨.
< 1227597939 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1227597941 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227597946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just gonna leave it like that.
< 1227597959 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut
< 1227597960 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1227597973 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill teach you some syntax in the future if you want
< 1227598074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to know phonetics for doing theoretical linguistics, but you do need it so you can learn a new language without having to wonder if you're even getting the basic structure of the sounds right.
< 1227598087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sure, i'd love to know more about syntax.
< 1227598119 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. ill teach you some in the future. how about tomorrow or wednesday?
< 1227598126 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by tomorrow i mean 24 hours from now
< 1227598143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i want to learn that many languages, i just feel retarded for not having the abilitiez.
< 1227598160 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs
< 1227598166 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax is cooler
< 1227598171 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than any individual language
< 1227598171 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, trying to allocate some actual time ;)
< 1227598172 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227598183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets much scarier than just talking about somewhere in the future
< 1227598203 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be online this time tomorrow
< 1227598250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yes, but these are entirely different kinds of wanting to learn. there are things i want to know because they're practically useful (like learning to punch pizza delivery niggas), and there are things i want to know because they are conceptually pure and sexy
< 1227598282 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a finn, i deplore you, never use "niggas". it just sounds wrong coming from your fingers.
< 1227598303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that?
< 1227598309 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're.. finnish
< 1227598327 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no non-american should use that term
< 1227598351 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a non-french saying merde
< 1227598355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't actually negros, i don't know the term for that race, except the finnish ...derogatory term.
< 1227598366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard many finns say merde
< 1227598371 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but even so
< 1227598374 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never say "niggas"
< 1227598376 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just sounds weird
< 1227598381 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227598397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can try not to confuse you with it
< 1227598407 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't use it correctly
< 1227598427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong about "pizza delivery niggas"
< 1227598438 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing i say
< 1227598442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right i be.
< 1227598448 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's so much baggage around it that appropriate comic use relies heavily on stuff that you, as a finn, cannot replicate
< 1227598462 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...comic use?
< 1227598467 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aint right, son, don't even think you are
< 1227598474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's what you meant
< 1227598494 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a native speaker, so i can't learn to use it so that it's okay to say it?
< 1227598504 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use of "niggas" non-comically is incredibly inappropriate
< 1227598536 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a finn. you're going to have a serious accent and distinctly finnish styles to your speech :P
< 1227598537 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: if you think i give a shit about that, you may confuse me with someone who cares about stuff like that.
< 1227598547 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1227598554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i wouldn't use that irl.
< 1227598574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i wouldn't use it if i knew someone here would get mad, if they were active.
< 1227598589 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't use it online either. the english speakers who use "niggas" as a general substitute for "guys" or similar are almost universally very low class
< 1227598593 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly even white trash
< 1227598595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if a word is inappropriate, and i don't see a reason why it should be, i use it just out of spite.
< 1227598607 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yes, i know that
< 1227598614 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're not white trash
< 1227598623 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence its unbefitting you
< 1227598632 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know i'm not white trash?
< 1227598635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1227598643 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're finnish.
< 1227598650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is *manyfold* in things he is
< 1227598653 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finns can't be white trash
< 1227598659 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::<
< 1227598663 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only americans and canadians can be white trash
< 1227598684 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then maybe i'm white trash born in a clean whiter's body :'<
< 1227598704 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brits can be chavs
< 1227598708 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finns are just finns.
< 1227598751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, i don't even know what white trash means
< 1227598767 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :low-class whites
< 1227598773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right
< 1227598778 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not just low-class
< 1227598780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i guess i knew it, but my point
< 1227598783 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1227598793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was something
< 1227598795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i forgot.
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< 1227598812 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid, socially reprehensible, often assholish uncouth and disgusting white people
< 1227598831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess that doesn't describe me
< 1227598856 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind of person who wears white wife beaters, is thin but insists on growing a scraggly patchy beard or, even worse, mustache in order to prove his manliness
< 1227598880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would probably like to get a beard.
< 1227598900 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but you could probably grow a proper bear and it'd look appropriate on you
< 1227598914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except prolly not for manliness, more for looking bohemian-ish
< 1227598918 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas lithe guys with patchy shitty beards look stupid
< 1227598961 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really give a shit about gender, so i don't really aspire for manliness
< 1227599017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i have trouble seeing why people do sex changes, if i woke up one day with a woman-hole, i don't think my life would change at all (except, well, i might get famous)
< 1227599054 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people get sex change ops because they feel uncomfortable in their body, not because they have something against it.
< 1227599085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i wouldn't feel uncomfortable in a different body, unless i was simply objectively less abled.
< 1227599085 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a very cognitive/psychological/neurological thing thats more complicated than just that.
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< 1227599093 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither would i
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< 1227599098 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what they all say
< 1227599103 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of you not caring about gender
< 1227599107 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't buy that, because i don't feel it's my case.
< 1227599121 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we're getting married 0.4 of a marriage ey?
< 1227599122 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did this conversation come from
< 1227599131 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: does it matter?
< 1227599133 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: out of me
< 1227599140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but indeed, it doesn't matter
< 1227599153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its only purpose is to distract me from doing my c++'s
< 1227599168 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you have to do in c++?
< 1227599172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: hmm. i didn't agree to 0.4.
< 1227599180 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what number was it again?
< 1227599185 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.2? 0.3?
< 1227599188 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something ike that right?
< 1227599216 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: simply stuff. five exercises, i'm in the third one, it's a simple dispatching thingie about what the "call most specific function" thingie means in c++.
< 1227599247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also a pretty stupid exercise, the rest are much better
< 1227599277 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yes it's not infitesimally small. i'm not sure what i was thinking :o
< 1227599290 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1227599295 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kisses oklopol
< 1227599297 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1227599299 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay now i really need to go
< 1227599299 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow this time
< 1227599301 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax
< 1227599304 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im off to
< 1227599307 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too*
< 1227599311 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, you need like 0.3 to kiss me, mister no-no-pants.
< 1227599311 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night oklopol
< 1227599311 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3
< 1227599315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night.
< 1227599322 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh pleas, ive got 0.3
< 1227599325 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive got 1.0!
< 1227599329 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont deny it
< 1227599348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not denying or nying anything
< 1227599356 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1227599358 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1227599362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night.
< 1227599368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, early morning.
< 1227599371 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1227599389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-->
< 1227599533 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..."
< 1227599570 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION made a new generation of color matcher.
< 1227599619 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically you wanted to see them having some more of that sexual sex, and made them produce one whole generation of offspring in one night?
< 1227599630 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a sick, sick man
< 1227599635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is gone
< 1227599636 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different meanings of the term "generation"
< 1227599641 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /generated/ a neural network.
< 1227599647 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, my joke kinda relied on that
< 1227599649 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, that involves 10000 generations of evolution.
< 1227599664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227599666 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is to say, some millions of sexual encounters.
< 1227599671 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, i see...
< 1227599672 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Between complete strangers.
< 1227599676 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which happen to be neural networks.
< 1227599687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what you're saying is you're much, much sicker than i never even imagined?
< 1227599692 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES!
< 1227599713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear... i should've just gone when i had the chance.
< 1227599820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*ever)
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< 1227600111 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should maybe be producing some neural network porn tapes; I'm sure there's a market for that sort of stuff.
< 1227600131 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm dumb :(
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< 1227602814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<GregorR> I'm writing Variations on the Annoying Nokia Theme
< 1227602836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a fugue?
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< 1227612562 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: neural network porn tapes? :D
< 1227612570 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that look like?
< 1227613041 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Naked coefficients? Smooth curves in the activation functions?
< 1227613050 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a thought, really.
< 1227613153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: context?
< 1227613236 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: GregorR has been making his neural networks have sex again. I just suggested something to profit from it.
< 1227613241 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you check the xkcd thread about the "I call rule 34 of Wolfram's rule 34"-thing?
< 1227613270 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: No, I just wondered about it.
< 1227613276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: Are the images work-safe? :)
< 1227613286 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least some of them. An example: http://forums.xkcd.com/download/file.php?id=8730
< 1227613308 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1227614133 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram's rule 34 is unfortunately boring
< 1227614155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1227614198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :34 = 0b00100010, which would imply that 101 and 010 produce 1 as output, other patterns produce 0
< 1227614210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're just going to get a load of vertical black stripes separated by at least 2 white stripes
< 1227614213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no interesting result
< 1227614229 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially 01 travels one step left per step, everything else is zeroed
< 1227614249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's centered isn't it?
< 1227614252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have I misread the number?
< 1227614285 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :001 not 010
< 1227614300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes
< 1227614312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed, you'll get diagonal stripes from black with white to its left
< 1227614338 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That just means it's a bit more of a challenge to apply the other rule 34 on it, nothing more.
< 1227614346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227614372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least one version of the rules of the Internet I've seen have rule 35 as stating that deliberate attempts to invoke rule 24 fail
< 1227614375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*34
< 1227614403 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just stolen from Godwin's law i bet :D
< 1227614428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1227614439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I've deliberately invoked Godwin's law before, and it worked
< 1227614573 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks rule 35 in MCell
< 1227614679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly more interesting.  seems to settle into a period 2
< 1227614711 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uses a fair number of generations to do so
< 1227614797 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like there is a possible glider, but it tends to die out
< 1227614802 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ElementaryCellularAutomaton.html doesn't have an utterly interesting picture of rule 35, but it sure beats 34.
< 1227614886 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only shows evolutions starting with a single black pixel though
< 1227614976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1227614993 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was doing 37 instead.  darn hex input
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< 1227615014 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227615068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's actually twice as interesting
< 1227615086 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :single pixels travelling left, longer blocks travelling right
< 1227615123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, it's an optical illusion of sorts
< 1227615145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually everything travels 1 right in 2
< 1227615177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not quite, surely?
< 1227615184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternating black and white wouldn't do that
< 1227615212 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :35?
< 1227615256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there seem to be some initial exceptions that die out there too
< 1227615349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there is also a stationary (0 in 2) checkerboard pattern
< 1227615356 0 :Organ_used_homos!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227615360 0 :Organ_used_homos!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah
< 1227616323 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1227623901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.getacoder.com/projects/bug_finder_92913.html
< 1227623945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd totally pay one of  the $300 ones to see what happens
< 1227623957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it isn't worth that much?
< 1227623958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL the last bidder is "BusyBeaver"
< 1227623961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how i ronic
< 1227623973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh it would be
< 1227623982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You may not start working in this and any project before your bid is accepted. Any user who violates this policy may have their account permanently suspended."
< 1227623991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a strange restriction!
< 1227624021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them seem to be people replying to every project with boilerplate without reading it
< 1227624035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sad thing is, a /practical/ infinite loop detector is quite possible
< 1227624039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't work on every program, obviously
< 1227624045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but will catch many stupid logic errors
< 1227624048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be interesting
< 1227624050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Congrats you got the joke!
< 1227624050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also
< 1227624051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been done
< 1227624057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it would have done
< 1227624067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by microsoft
< 1227624081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://research.microsoft.com/Terminator/
< 1227624112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(getacoder.com is codeword for indian-spammers-that-cannot-code-dot-com)
< 1227624237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I post contact information?
< 1227624239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allowing the direct contact between buyers and sellers other than through the message boards could allow members to bypass the GetACoder system and in turn avoid the commission fees. Our charges are a fair price to bring software buyers and coders together. We do not allow the exchange of contact information.
< 1227624258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that website, as far as I can tell, is a way for people to make nonbinding agreements with each other whilst paying the website lots of money
< 1227624266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all getacoder-alikes are shams
< 1227624272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are stating the blindly obvious
< 1227624281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not blindly obvious to everyone there
< 1227624287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it is
< 1227624290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're all scammers
< 1227624294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1227624295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on both sides?
< 1227624298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the person who posted that question is joking
< 1227624302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: the last line
< 1227624304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be fun to watch, actually
< 1227624306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which states the halting problem -exactly-
< 1227624312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the only other posters there are idiots
< 1227624321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. someone wanted an OS better than windows that was also compatible with windows
< 1227624322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a week
< 1227624324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a few thousand
< 1227624421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Herr T, Despite the fact that I died in 1918 you may find the following advice important. I would be happy to work on your project but you will quickly find that it is impossible, nay undecidable."
< 1227624439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, was that posted?
< 1227624443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1227624453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by someone with the nick "GeorgeCantor"
< 1227624462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant
< 1227624467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although he was trolled.
< 1227624468 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also KurtG.
< 1227624471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the submitter.
< 1227624485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the submitter is AlanT
< 1227624488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another obvious clue
< 1227624491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1227624496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To state that another way, given a function f and input x, determine if f(x) will halt.
< 1227624500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that pretty much gives it away
< 1227624503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even without AlanT
< 1227624510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do the non-troll posts there look like, I wonder?
< 1227624511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because
< 1227624517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i told you
< 1227624521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that fits my definition of trolling pretty well, but it's clever and funny trolling
< 1227624533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an art which I feared was lost to the Internet
< 1227624542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I want OS called Blue Orb os. it must be compatible with windows Xp and Linux and also loko like OSX. Pls be responding quickly"
< 1227624567 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would find it so funny if someone told them to just get OS X + Parallels, and rename it
< 1227624582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227624587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or:
< 1227624593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X, and specify a method for porting applications
< 1227624610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or: Linux, with WINE, and an OS X copy skin
< 1227624616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for $3,000
< 1227624634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably Linux + WINE isn't fully compatible with Windows XP
< 1227624638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sssssh
< 1227624639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor windows Xp for that matter
< 1227624645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the caps probably make a difference
< 1227624665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: typical getacoder:
< 1227624672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to build up very good reverse auction website.
< 1227624672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reverse auction script has to be with no bugs and it have to be customized for all my necessities.
< 1227624672 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it didn't say *fully* compatible.
< 1227624675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.getacoder.com/projects/reverse_auction_website_93182.html
< 1227624685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.getacoder.com/projects/api_voip_93170.html
< 1227624689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use the API provided by the following URL to create a voip service (click to call) SIP
< 1227624689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sms services
< 1227624698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.getacoder.com/projects/customize_existing_vb_gpl_89636.html
< 1227624700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Description
< 1227624701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to modify an existing GPL item to meet our specifications of an simple interface. This is an open source item. It is written in Visual Basic 6. The code is published under the GNU GPL. We do not wish to resell the code or remove any of the copyright notices. Our finished product will have the same open source notices and we will respect and show the same the copyright notices as the original. We like the existing product; it is just rough in appearance
< 1227624706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should post a project to make an exact replica of getacoder.com
< 1227624711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :complete with stupid Terms of Use
< 1227624757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227624782 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$100-300 is a nice prize for resizing an image.
< 1227624784 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.getacoder.com/projects/resizing_images_graphics_93117.html
< 1227624789 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Price, I mean.
< 1227624805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Resize this image and win $-200
< 1227624808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sign me up!
< 1227624819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lol
< 1227624834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Sir, We are top ranked web Development Company from India having vast set of experience in development and designing of complex solutions. We have well trained and experienced developers and programmers specialized in different technologies. Please find the details with PMB along with Project execution plan. Thank you, Tech-Sters..
< 1227624836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :web design?
< 1227624841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227624856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We develop applications on the following platforms: Windows, UNIX, NT Server.
< 1227624860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1227624881 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I need a wikipedia clone with contents and menus the same as Wikipedia. You will have to download the english wikipedia article database, create the website with all contents installed and similiar to wikipedia."
< 1227624901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha: http://www.expertrating.com/jobs/Programming-jobs/Intercal-Programmer-jobs.asp
< 1227624920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227624924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they scraped google, it seems
< 1227624934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Boost your Intercal Programmer job prospects by enhancing your resume with an ExpertRating Online Certification. Since there are a lot of Intercal Programmer job seekers, extra credentials count. After passing your ExpertRating test, you will get an online transcript as well as a hard copy certificate mailed to you as proof of your Intercal Programmer skills"
< 1227624938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.getacoder.com/projects/adult_video_site_93136.html
< 1227624939 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.getacoder.com/projects/wikipedia_clone_contents_93101.html obviously wants to open an "with ads" version of wikipedia.
< 1227624941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need an EXACT CLONE of pornhub.com, not a cheap looking joomla version or any other kind. I am looking for PROFESSIONALS ONLY, no amateurs! Also there will not be explanation in detail, I will give you my ideas, I will help in any way possible, but you will be responsible for looking up the smaller details – it is NOT hard, just go look at the site and do it, this does not require a detailed explanation if you already have everything given.
< 1227624965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :under Features: "web 2.0"
< 1227624968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hack proof"
< 1227624993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kottke.org/04/07/my-new-policy
< 1227624997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a policy that we are hack proof
< 1227625054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, legal means are better than technical means to prevent certain forms of hacking
< 1227625064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ot
< 1227625065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not
< 1227625073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we have a policy that you must not hack us"
< 1227625077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like copying closed-source programs, DRM nearly always gets cracked more or less straight away, but copyright still applies
< 1227625080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, "we have a policy that we are not being hacked"
< 1227625090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTTIOPTII
< 1227625092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, sounds like a Nomic legal fition
< 1227625096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fiction
< 1227625098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Say That Is Our Policy Therefore It Is
< 1227625101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I say we aren't, therefore we aren't"
< 1227625123 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You have this security hole." "No, we have a policy that we don't have security holes."
< 1227625139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You're bankrupt." "No, we have a policy that we will never be bankrupt."
< 1227625140 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But you do!" "No, sorry, policy."
< 1227625155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You are dead." "Tell that to my policy."
< 1227625182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how everyone ignores the bid amounts
< 1227625190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$20-100? I'll put in a bid for $1,000!
< 1227625590 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of "clone this website for me" requests.
< 1227625755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to tell me the dotaction 1-100 koed
< 1227625762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1227625776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a game me, fizzie and oklopol have been playing for the last few days
< 1227625779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awful and it's addictive.
< 1227625790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an online game, or an in-channel talk game?
< 1227625796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :online; it's flash
< 1227625808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there were other options but those two seemed the most likely to me
< 1227625815 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2008-11-23 15:12:06] < fizzie> Since ehird probably wants them codes, 086-754 gives the 1
< 1227625818 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01-108 list, while 809-936 gives the 1-100 list.
< 1227625822 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write those down already.
< 1227625829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankees
< 1227625832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe
< 1227625832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227625842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm probably immune to that particular problem due to not having Flash nor wanting it
< 1227625850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was something like the fourth time you asked. :p
< 1227625859 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Away for some grocery-shopping and such now, anyway.
< 1227625868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a time-trially sort of game anyway
< 1227625894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that simulate-a-runner-by-moving-the-individual-joints game, is it?
< 1227625901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah.
< 1227625915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a bunch of dots and you have to collect them all before the time runs out by jumping around.
< 1227625927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's electric fences. and water. and dots that make you immune to fences. and mazes. and ...
< 1227625968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll have another stab at nethack after this.
< 1227626002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<jayCampbell> "still creating bottle 99 several days later"
< 1227626010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have a new record for slowest esolang interp?
< 1227626259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> at least one version of the rules of the Internet I've seen have rule 35 as stating that deliberate attempts to invoke rule 24 fail
< 1227626263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw an in-depth essay on that
< 1227626265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1227626277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :porn of it exists, but sometimes it hasn't manifested into bits on a harddrive yet
< 1227626282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, it exists, but you can't see it yet
< 1227626297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227626300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any rule 34 "challenge" fundamentally misunderstands it: it does exist, it's just a matter of it coming into this plane of existing
< 1227626303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was great
< 1227626321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I agree with that theory, more or less
< 1227626356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to create a board of scholars for rule 34
< 1227626370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our job is to philosophize about it daily.
< 1227626383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before anyone says anything: ssh, stop ruining the joke
< 1227626394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you'll get loads of takers if you provide sufficiently many example cases
< 1227626397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly
< 1227626410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you did not read my last line.
< 1227626411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:|
< 1227626447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, just chose to ignore it
< 1227626449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://beardeddevelopers.com/
< 1227626470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has its own website now?
< 1227626483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, something else
< 1227626499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know about the theory that languages become more or less popular according to how much of a beard their creator has?
< 1227626504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1227626505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming languages, that is
< 1227626517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a beard? feather will take the world by storm
< 1227626524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although moreso if your beard is turing complete
< 1227626545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you not only know I have a beard, but have photographic evidence of the fact
< 1227626558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1227626561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, on the wolfram site?
< 1227626578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, a picture is not helpful in determining turing-completeness. run a program on your beard./
< 1227627992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to write a functional-style VM and write a prototype-based smalltalk-alike on top of it
< 1227627993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1227628235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227628237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rate this idea:
< 1227628243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole VM is based on completely immutable things
< 1227628254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is impossible to change things, only add things, and garbage collection sorts the rest
< 1227628272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Feather
< 1227628288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1227628292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the base vm i'm talking about
< 1227628294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lowest level
< 1227630695 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@b-78.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227632496 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-138-29.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227632538 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1227632543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pol
< 1227633522 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okloplop
< 1227633555 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okloyourMOM
< 1227633783 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227633796 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmee?
< 1227633817 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1227633820 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're oklopol
< 1227633844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1227633844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: that's just persuading him to change nick...
< 1227633847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227633847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's oklo.*
< 1227633855 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: wait i'll check
< 1227634126 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227634353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.xkcd.com/download/file.php?id=8730 <<< this is disgusting, guys...
< 1227634421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: then why did you link us to it
< 1227634455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a joke
< 1227634465 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you hadn't said that it's disgusting I probably wouldn't've understood the point of it
< 1227634484 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would've if you'd read the context in which it was originally posted here.
< 1227634500 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i got that filth from here
< 1227634502 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logreading: it's not just a good idea - it's the law!
< 1227634524 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was for context
< 1227634548 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I'm on 25 channels and most logs aren't that interesting anyway
< 1227634556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's rule 34
< 1227634558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of rule 34
< 1227634570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this is cellular automaton porn?
< 1227634574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1227634578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: rule 34 on rule 34
< 1227634584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better would be to morph the starting states
< 1227634584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227634585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then run them
< 1227634586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1227634588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird said it
< 1227634589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1227634599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weren't you here when that was discussed..?
< 1227634613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nm
< 1227635100 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz
< 1227635100 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is rule 34 TC?
< 1227635118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: no, it's boring
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< 1227635504 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 110 is the only one proven to be TC.
< 1227635516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the reflections and color-inversions of it
< 1227635638 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-090-082.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227635667 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, obviously.
< 1227635690 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a rule 110 T-shirt 8-D
< 1227635701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers how immediately after Fermat's Last Theorem was proved for positive exponents, they proved it for negative exponents
< 1227635703 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227635714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you have the proof for positing exponents, the proof for negatives follows pretty quickly
< 1227635717 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*positive
< 1227635749 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the proof for inversions of a TC CA is probably much simpler :P
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< 1227636750 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:54… × ais523 remembers how immediately after Fermat's Last Theorem was proved for positive exponents, they proved it for negative exponents <<< you should be careful about your pronouns
< 1227636767 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, that "they" could refer to the people who did the proof in the first place...
< 1227637225 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, "they" refers to the alien invaders from Blernflim IX
< 1227637246 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were nice enough to prove Fermat's Last Theorem for negative exponents while invading.
< 1227637262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm they must be real invaders because they've managed to keep their name out of google
< 1227637293 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They wiped themselves from human memory and record, BUT I REMEMBER CUZ ALL MY HATS ARE LINED WITH TIN FOIL
< 1227637306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not on google, it _must_ be a real conspiracy
< 1227637361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee...
< 1227637409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x^(-n) + y^(-n) = z^(-n) <=> (yz)^n + (xz)^n = (xy)^n
< 1227637433 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so trivial as expected
< 1227637969 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but so's your face.
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< 1227643760 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1227645203 0 :warrie!n=Peggy@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227646368 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
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< 1227648902 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227650169 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
< 1227651642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1227651729 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227653792 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227654100 0 :Organ_used_homos!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
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< 1227655517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi!
< 1227655531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, saw the /msg?
< 1227655569 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227657866 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a program does nothing but output a single character many times, running it is probably a bad way of determining how many times it outputs that character.
< 1227657886 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes a look at BF busy beaver
< 1227659179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie_, hrrm?
< 1227659205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well bf is deterministic depending on input
< 1227659211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no random operator
< 1227659221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the same program should give the same count
< 1227659228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when given the same input
< 1227659239 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... found an interesting blog when I tried to find the BFBB... http://eigenratios.blogspot.com/
< 1227659261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, seen it before once
< 1227659267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is eigenratio?
< 1227659288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old :P
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< 1227659311 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eigen values is some special constants that comes from matrices, and a few other systems.
< 1227659315 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you determine the amount of output given by a program like +[->++<]>[->++<]>[->++<]>[->++<]>[->++<]>[->++<]>[->++<]>[->++<]>[->++<]>[->++<]>[->++<]>[->++<]>[->++<]>[->++<]>[-..]?
< 1227659321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, hm ok
< 1227659339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie_, run it with a given input?
< 1227659346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait till it finishes
< 1227659367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing it otherwise sounds like it would solve the halting problem
< 1227659378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may be able to solve that specific case however
< 1227659387 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: suppose there are 1,000,000 [->++<]>s.
< 1227659397 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^15
< 1227659409 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :characters will be printed
< 1227659411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie_, hm I think that may be well defined
< 1227659421 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you run it, or perform some simple calculation and end up at 2^1000001?
< 1227659421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is easy in fact
< 1227659435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes since you can see much much every [->++<]> adds
< 1227659456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then figure out the rate for decrementing
< 1227659495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie_, but the general case of bf programs.. wouldn't that solve the halting program?
< 1227659515 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227659535 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not.
< 1227659553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1227659576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for warrie_ to explain himself
< 1227659686 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it likely at the moment that it's possible to take any program that outputs n (possibly infinitely many) characters and produce one that runs faster and outputs a number of characters of which n is a function.
< 1227659695 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modulo formality and all.
< 1227659759 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, it's possible to run the [->++<]> program, note the number of characters it outputs, and produce the null program, with the function being a constant function.
< 1227659928 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227659929 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.getacoder.com/projects/bug_finder_92913.html
< 1227660117 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That there is a computable function F whose input is a program that outputs n characters and whose output is n if n is finite, where F runs faster than the trivial function satisfying this criterion.
< 1227660121 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That being the "run it" function.
< 1227660169 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that won't do.
< 1227660195 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it will.
< 1227660269 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227662272 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, my ORK interpreter now runs *all* demo programs correctly, including the Kipple interpreter.
< 1227662301 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also added implementation notes and bugs.
< 1227662311 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/esoteric/orkdemo.php
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< 1227662954 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227664213 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eigenratio for the Conway's Life self-interpreter: 5760. ("That's the number of generations that need to be run in Dean Bell's unit cell at level N in order to emulate a single generation in level N+1.")
< 1227664275 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227664453 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1227664731 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the eigenratio 5760*500*500, since each big generation-cell is that many little generation-cells.
< 1227665652 0 :ab5tract!n=ab5tract@pool-71-246-5-13.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227668937 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
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< 1227671396 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better description of eigenratio: http://eigenratios.blogspot.com/2006_08_18_archive.html (He was the one who named it)
< 1227671531 0 :Organ_used_homos!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay :D
< 1227671565 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Organ_used_homos: Please describe the reason for your nickname with NO DETAILS AT ALL
< 1227672031 0 :Organ_used_homos!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an explanation with no detail : It was on another server.
< 1227672037 0 :Organ_used_homos!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah_
< 1227672059 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please include precisely one more level of detail.
< 1227672103 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a joke.
< 1227672237 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1227674858 0 :ab5tract!n=ab5tract@pool-71-246-5-13.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227674865 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sup dude
< 1227674912 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1227676946 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, supper.
< 1227676952 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a sup dude.
< 1227676967 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET IT? GET IT? IT'S A PUN.
< 1227677073 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO YOU WANT MORE DETAILS NOW
< 1227678351 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION randomly decided to look at JSMIPS again.
< 1227678409 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ "today"
< 1227678464 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSMIPS?
< 1227678497 0 :warrie_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227678541 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: http://codu.org/jsmips/
< 1227678796 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol!
< 1227679911 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1227686288 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227686289 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1227686399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1227686400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227689462 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I'm a thaasophobic."
< 1227689768 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1227690455 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227690869 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227692167 0 :trave!n=chatzill@c-98-202-197-109.hsd1.ut.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1227693373 0 :trave_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :trave
< 1227694170 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
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< 1227696610 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1227697521 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
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< 1227698625 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227699968 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227700385 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227700878 0 :nooga!n=nooga@89.174.55.154 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227700883 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiiit
< 1227700887 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot C
< 1227701006 0 :trave_!n=chatzill@97-117-100-121.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227701050 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
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< 1227701542 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: impressive! (jsmips)
< 1227701670 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orc looks cool.
< 1227701681 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I can do sum pi-calc with it :o
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< 1227703038 0 :nooga!n=nooga@89.174.55.154 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227703047 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clock() does not work :C
< 1227703112 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about cock()
< 1227703118 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it not work?
< 1227703252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ladyada.net/make/fuzebox/
< 1227703254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking WANT
< 1227703891 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4K ram? good for 99bob and stuff but quite limited otherwise
< 1227704015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NTSC RCA composite and S-video out (PAL not supported at this time)"
< 1227704016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227704034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that limits it's usefulness here in Europe
< 1227704441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: it's for 8-bit games
< 1227704443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the video
< 1227705267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that a fully functional VM is pretty hard...
< 1227705273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to pass everything to functions to get it working
< 1227705278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to put the functions SOMEWHERE
< 1227705288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's mutation of the machine state
< 1227705455 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1227705458 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Machine state.
< 1227705466 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I for one welcome our new robot overlord.
< 1227705569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227706196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: appealing a cfj because of schildt
< 1227706198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT i can support
< 1227706209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: wrong channel, but yes
< 1227706223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, schildt's programming is esoteric
< 1227706224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227706611 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227706774 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227706898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/16-12/ff_kaminsky?currentPage=all
< 1227706901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ interesting.
< 1227707090 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheap sensation
< 1227707109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the attack is absolutely not cheap
< 1227707417 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The article, on the other hand...
< 1227707420 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The vulnerability gave him the power to transfer millions out of bank accounts worldwide."
< 1227707452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes.
< 1227707456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's entertaining.
< 1227707472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who reads wired for serious, somber articles?
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< 1227708252 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1227708318 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo
< 1227708337 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :salut Slereah_ ^^
< 1227708359 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comment vas-tu, Mona.
< 1227708367 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mona :O
< 1227708376 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ça va
< 1227708377 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :et toi ?
< 1227708410 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :De m�me.
< 1227708420 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je dis Mona car c'est le nom des chats de 2chan.
< 1227708447 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'est aussi le nom d'une femme
< 1227708452 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, je ne suis pas une femme :D
< 1227708559 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Divers6/Shii2.jpg
< 1227708571 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mona vient de la police utilis� pour les faire)
< 1227708624 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1227708725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The scary part is that I understood half of that conversation/
< 1227708794 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it did involve kittuns
< 1227710381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to think about a purely functional vm and how it's impossible
< 1227711018 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virtual machine?
< 1227711031 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also why would it be impossible? :o
< 1227711444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: yes, and because to do anything you have to modify e.g. the call stack or similar
< 1227711446 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :le francophonic invasion
< 1227711449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impossible to have a VM that only appends
< 1227711450 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaa
< 1227711450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without mutating
< 1227711459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because at the heart, its based on memory which mutates
< 1227711526 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird : Only if you consider every memory-part of the machine as the memory.
< 1227711542 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, imagine if your machine just rearranged its connections!
< 1227711554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: well, show me a spec for a purely-functional (no mutation whatsoever) vm that lets you add two numbers
< 1227711558 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what connections do you mean?
< 1227711558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll show the mutation.
< 1227711572 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BETWEEN THE COMPONENTS
< 1227711579 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wires and such.
< 1227711583 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1227711589 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virtual ones.
< 1227711609 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also
< 1227711616 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a functional machine D:
< 1227711624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Show the specccccc :P
< 1227711627 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me a program, I'll interpret it for you
< 1227711658 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :filthy ocaml junkie you are
< 1227711668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_ doesn't know ocaml
< 1227711670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I know
< 1227711671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so shush
< 1227711681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he
< 1227711682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s a scheme lad.
< 1227711686 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Ocaml
< 1227711690 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha!
< 1227711690 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't use it
< 1227711705 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm curious about picaml
< 1227711712 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also orc on the esowiki
< 1227711715 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am intrigued.
< 1227711727 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To pick a single point out there, I'm not seeing why you couldn't have an immutable call stack.
< 1227711762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how would you call a function?
< 1227711770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's immutable. you can't change the call stack.
< 1227711774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must not change.
< 1227711799 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can construct a new call stack, though.
< 1227711810 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes indeed. Whatever that means.
< 1227711810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Where do you put it?
< 1227711812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't replace it.
< 1227711815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the new one.
< 1227711832 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just assume it means something along "Using memory-part as not the memory itself"
< 1227711864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You can all very well construct a new call stack, but it just sits there doing nothing.
< 1227711871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't put it into VM memory; it's immutable.
< 1227711950 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can pass it to the function.
< 1227711965 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more of a continuation than a call stack in that case, though.
< 1227711973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Pass it to what function?
< 1227711979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't construct a function, it has nowhere to go in memory.
< 1227712009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to make a function then pass a reference to the vm so that it calls it.
< 1227712020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But making a function and getting a reference requires putting a function in memory, thus mutating memory.
< 1227712029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vm-memory that is
< 1227712045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? I assume you have something that can allocate new memory, yes.
< 1227712060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, but the _in-vm memory cannot change_.
< 1227712065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the whole point: it's purely functional
< 1227712076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot _mutate anything existing_ that exists inside the VM
< 1227712100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not about implementation
< 1227712103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about the deisgn of the vm itself
< 1227712107 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... cons'ing new storage does not sound like mutation to me.
< 1227712108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all code in the vm is purely functional, that is
< 1227712123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that requires changing the VM's memory.
< 1227712127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing anything within the VM is not allowed.
< 1227712158 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just means giving it new storage. I'm not sure why your completely functional VM would have mutable memory anyway.
< 1227712169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... when did I say it would?
< 1227712192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Since I absolutely cannot see how it is possible: how would you spec a VM that mutates nothing within the VM, that lets you add two integers together?
< 1227712224 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there must be some issue of definition mismatch somewhere.
< 1227712238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely.
< 1227712243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how would you spec such a trivial thing?
< 1227712302 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume a purely functional VM would have (wrt. memory) a single primitive like (cons), which would not be considered mutation.
< 1227712324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Example?
< 1227712335 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, why are you always thinking of Lisp?
< 1227712345 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like it's the only functional thingamagig.
< 1227712352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm.
< 1227712355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when am I?
< 1227712357 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, a single primitive like malloc, then, if you want it to sound low-levelish.
< 1227712358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also.
< 1227712361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp is not purely functional.
< 1227712370 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the language, ehird
< 1227712373 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original lisp!
< 1227712373 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was directed to me. I know it most, that's why.
< 1227712381 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lisp that is purely functional
< 1227712385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm just asking how you can have a functional VM that lets you add two integers together. I'm not sure you can.
< 1227712437 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to start speccing things. But it's a *virtual machine*, you can freely select what sort of primitives you provide.
< 1227712456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think you can create a virtual machine that is able to operate without any mutation whatsoever.
< 1227712470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've basically just said "you're wrong", soooooo...
< 1227712701 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your VM can have "call this object as a function" as a primitive, for one thing. You don't need to construct any call stacks or do any mutation "inside the VM" to call a function, then.
< 1227712710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how do you make an object
< 1227712720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :push to a stack? ding, you just mutated
< 1227712725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put in a register? dinnnnnnggggggggggg
< 1227712728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put in vm memory? DINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
< 1227712740 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With another primitive that allocates new storage.
< 1227712753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, and what does it return? How do you use the storage?
< 1227712779 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, allocates and initializes to whatever you want.
< 1227712786 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Immutable storage, that is.
< 1227712791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Variable sized objects?
< 1227712794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you initialize them?
< 1227712820 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need variable-sized objects, but I don't see why that would be a problem.
< 1227712832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: In the actual bytecode.
< 1227712843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you initialize an object with a variable sized initialization?
< 1227712869 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The function call primitive can easily accept a variable number of parameters.
< 1227712885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, let's look at this example:
< 1227712890 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the storage-allocation-and-initialization primitive.
< 1227712892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{...} call
< 1227712892 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can build variable-sized objects out of fixed-size objects, anyway.
< 1227712901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that {...} has to mutate, to put it on the stack or similar
< 1227712961 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? If it's a parameter to call, why would you need to put it on a stack?
< 1227712984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: {...} being a function
< 1227712993 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, why not.
< 1227712995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, how can call take variable parameters?
< 1227713007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking at bytecode-level here
< 1227713016 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a virtual machine, why couldn't your "bytecode" do whatever you want?
< 1227713039 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm lost
< 1227713076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Obviously my Lisp interpreter is a virtual machine.
< 1227713079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, it runs programs.
< 1227713082 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A completely functional VM (with primitives like "apply") will probably resemble a functional-paradigm language quite a lot, since indeed you don't have registers or anything, just parameters and return values.
< 1227713108 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes.
< 1227713183 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PICKLE SURPRISE!
< 1227713282 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227713313 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y
< 1227713340 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1227713366 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1227713464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I mean, a VM bytecode isn't exactly going to be efficient if it's a nested tree ala lisp.
< 1227713475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet it's kind-of hard to make a stack based VM that doesn't mutate a stack.
< 1227713492 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; if you base a VM on mutable concepts, it is indeed hard to make one that doesn't use mutation.
< 1227713535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, but the point is...
< 1227713550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make your VM use arbitrary nested trees of a few primitives... you've invented Lisp
< 1227713552 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A functional VM like that would not probably be very "low-level", which I guess is quite understandable, given that "low-level" pretty much means "close to the underlying system", which is very mutation-rich.
< 1227713556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And yet most lisps compile down to a vm, heh.)
< 1227713580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The idea is, it's a low-level thing, except the system it's being low-level on is a mystical immutable computer.
< 1227713603 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a mystical computer
< 1227713608 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: a VM can implement a purely functional abstraction even if it isn't purely functional at the physical level (which nothing in our universe can be, presumably)
< 1227713615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, duh, oerj
< 1227713616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan:
< 1227713624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but...that's not the point
< 1227713633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the _VM WORLD_ has to be immutable
< 1227713642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. everything you can access via the VM code has to be immutable in every way
< 1227713646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VM  code = code running on it
< 1227713696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you can do something monadic, the access calculates the next world from the previous
< 1227713707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that's not exactly very functional in spirit
< 1227713719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking more the lambda-calculus type
< 1227713749 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :combonotors :o
< 1227713757 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can probably make a purely functional abstraction that's on a "lower level"; you can easily get rid of abitrarily nested trees, at least. (As long as you allow constructing those with the cons-like operation.)
< 1227713767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i am reminded slightly of reversible turing machines
< 1227713796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The problem is trees in general; it's not very efficient.
< 1227713802 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the connection being that it is hard to remove information from those, since you need to uncalculate it
< 1227713814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cons 1 (cons 2 nil) vs nil 2 cons 1 cons
< 1227713839 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should mention that he is not entirely sober, since that might explain something
< 1227713884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also:
< 1227713891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THe former needs a call stack.
< 1227713905 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you want something that's efficient to execute a conventional computer, you'd probably best use a VM that's close to it.
< 1227713908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now you've got something even less like a VM; CPS-transformed lisp.
< 1227713916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really interested in efficiency.
< 1227713918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just low-levelity.
< 1227713968 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: a kind of graph machine, where graphs grow like crystals, but generated parts of crystals cannot be changed
< 1227713978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that, except lower-level :-P
< 1227713986 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystals are low-level
< 1227714069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it muriel or something that only allows you to copy information forward? that's almost immutable
< 1227714087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1227714092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1227714093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1227714097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like SMITH, Muriel has no traditional control structures. Instead, Muriel has a command to replace the currently running Muriel program with a given string, and run that instead. This leads to a programming method where a program must quine itself in order to perform any sort of loop.
< 1227714110 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was SMITH
< 1227714181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm seems so
< 1227714262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[. It has no jumps whatsoever; the instruction pointer can only be incremented, and only by one instruction at a time. As a substitute for loops, the language allows code to be copied forward where it will be executed in the future.]]
< 1227714263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of.
< 1227714360 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's Elephant (barely non-esoteric)
< 1227714449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where everything about the past can be referenced
< 1227714469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's mccarthy's isn't it?
< 1227714471 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not low-level, of course
< 1227714486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227714510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ehird> Slereah_ doesn't know ocaml
< 1227714518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible! he's french after all
< 1227714590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, what i'm planning on implementing is a high-level smalltalk-alike, except it's purely functional, and prototype-based
< 1227714636 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is ocaml Frenh? :o
< 1227714720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's developed by INRIA and Xavier Leroy iirc
< 1227714726 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal people would just do a "traditional" VM that's just a bit more functionally-oriented than the rest.
< 1227714729 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SECD_machine was
< 1227714767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well this is ehird we are talking about
< 1227714785 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and this is #esoteric.
< 1227714789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To hell with traditional things, I want purely functional! :-P
< 1227714805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually care if it's slow, Squeak is a dog anyway - besides, I'm planning on writing the VM in the language itself
< 1227714807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler too.
< 1227714815 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric can only do purely dysfunctional
< 1227714816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As well as a bootstrap in-C vm&compiler.)
< 1227714828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But beyond that...)
< 1227714929 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't dysfunctional the unlambda/BF mix?
< 1227715129 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x29A
< 1227715143 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is no reason we couldn't have more
< 1227715152 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why that name by the way?
< 1227715161 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: it's hex
< 1227715161 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't roll well on your toungue.
< 1227715169 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hex for what?
< 1227715184 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh
< 1227715186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :666
< 1227715192 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1227715202 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1227715203 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1227715208 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the other one.
< 1227715220 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1227715238 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1227715271 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE ... oh wait i just claimed the opposite didn't i
< 1227715301 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall some language called 0x29C or something
< 1227715306 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Related to the first
< 1227715349 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/0x29C
< 1227715353 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah
< 1227715356 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how observant
< 1227715361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :668?
< 1227715366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, current thinking: I need to figure out how to do a purely-functional, applicationy-language without having a lisp-like (nested (tree))
< 1227715381 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why 668 :o
< 1227715390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, you said 0x29C
< 1227715423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus you said 668
< 1227715427 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227715428 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know.
< 1227715433 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why is it called 668.
< 1227715458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say potayto, you say 0xP0TAHT0
< 1227715468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what base is that
< 1227715487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't valid hex expressed in the common 0x way
< 1227715489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at leas
< 1227715491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :least*
< 1227715505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's base humor
< 1227715521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait doesn't "base humor" mean something else?
< 1227715533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the phrase sounds familiar
< 1227715552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and AnMaster wins!
< 1227715552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wait /wait, /
< 1227715559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, eh?
< 1227715577 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you detected a pun.  that still keeps surprising me.
< 1227715585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when not sober
< 1227715594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm always sober
< 1227715601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and, what is "base humor"?
< 1227715603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not
< 1227715603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember
< 1227715607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except having heard the word
< 1227715608 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why aren't you sober?
< 1227715639 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because an old friend came to town and bought a bottle of red wine
< 1227715663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drink in moderation, or better yet, don't drink at all
< 1227715684 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the first time i drink since June.  i think that's plenty of moderation.
< 1227715704 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why? drinking a lot is great for ideas, drinking a lot if great for getting things done that are not fun to do
< 1227715720 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*drinking a little to the first one
< 1227715726 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,...
< 1227715728 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: low-level humor, btw, iirc
< 1227715730 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fucking latter one i mean
< 1227715743 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1227715749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk for the rest of the evening
< 1227715767 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bie
< 1227716038 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this Orc thing, how is it esoteric?
< 1227716157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not
< 1227716158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems
< 1227716177 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't Orc a bit old?
< 1227716182 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes on a blanking rampage
< 1227716199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete, don't blank
< 1227716199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1227716218 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottle of red wine?
< 1227716228 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't vodka beter for blanking? ;p
< 1227716256 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/et/ett/
< 1227716261 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly
< 1227716314 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm we don't seem to have a deletion request template
< 1227716344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're an op
< 1227716346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just delete it
< 1227716366 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not
< 1227716384 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang
< 1227716388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1227716406 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have returned from breslavia todays morning and had no sleep
< 1227716461 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, it's easy to make that assumption from my air of wisdom and authority
< 1227716486 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct
< 1227716497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why do you act sober when not sober?
< 1227716509 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's starting to wear off
< 1227716566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was only half a bottle after all
< 1227716614 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half a litre per capita is the definition of nothing, as we say in Poland
< 1227716637 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(vodka ofc)
< 1227716645 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i wasn't seriously out of training it would probably have been nothing to me too
< 1227716670 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I can't drink
< 1227716677 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a beer sometimes
< 1227716682 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not too much
< 1227716697 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, end of work, bbl
< 1227716699 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1227718789 0 :AquaLoqua!n=anonym@dsl-245-59-94.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227719267 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227719430 0 :AquaLoqua!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Dana"
< 1227719782 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-169.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227720158 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/1cnis <<< doesn't perl have a "use" for getting bignums?
< 1227720176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use fairly_big_numbers;
< 1227720189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1227720224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah that wasn't really a question
< 1227720309 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1227720437 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN WHY DID YOU USE A QUESTION MARK DUMBASS
< 1227720448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, hi
< 1227720453 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1227720495 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227721533 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227722066 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i like you when you're drunk :D
< 1227722072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess you aren't anymore
< 1227722092 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not half as think as you drunk i am
< 1227722128 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227722584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
< 1227722654 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227726225 0 :warrie!n=Peggy@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227727671 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1227729542 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1227729544 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1227730056 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227730708 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227731228 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227731446 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227731804 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: concatenative
< 1227731813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: wat
< 1227731829 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ehird> anyway, current thinking: I need to figure out how to do a purely-functional, applicationy-language without having a lisp-like (nested (tree))
< 1227731836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except:
< 1227731843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no mutation allowed, and it has to be low-level [it's a vm]
< 1227731847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyword mutation there
< 1227731852 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....concatenative
< 1227731856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're pushin' 'n poppin' to a stack
< 1227731856 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what mutation means
< 1227731858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're mutating.
< 1227731861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: changing.
< 1227731867 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i know that
< 1227731917 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what you mean
< 1227732164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto.
< 1227732284 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how a "low-level"-feeling thing you'll get without having at least some registers. I'm sure you could do some sort of functional tarpit, though.
< 1227732299 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227732323 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys
< 1227732343 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.spinnoff.com/zbb/viewtopic.php?p=649306
< 1227732370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think psygnisfive just set a record for "time until conversation reaches offtopicity"
< 1227732372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by starting off on it.
< 1227732385 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227732389 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is esoteric. there is no topic
< 1227732400 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | this is not the topic you are looking for
< 1227732460 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i send that link because im curious if any of yous guys care to figure out some explanation for the phenomena that's explanation
< 1227732461 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excplanatory
< 1227732521 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1227733095 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227733114 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody? nobody?
< 1227733304 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-165.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227733501 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-090-013.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227733537 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo
< 1227733576 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, what?
< 1227733590 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.spinnoff.com/zbb/viewtopic.php?p=649306
< 1227733595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off topic
< 1227733605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees with ehird
< 1227733624 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but this is esoteric. nothing is on topic here. :P
< 1227733658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it AnMaster commented inbetween
< 1227733671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case i'd like to tell AnMaster that this channel is pretty anarchic, and just about any topic goes.
< 1227733684 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i ask here because i figure you guys like solving queer problems
< 1227733688 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could ask how to program a turing machine to follow that rule.  that would probably be utterly irrelevant to how the brain does it.
< 1227733692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's linguistics
< 1227733693 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is definitely a queer problem
< 1227733696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and esoteric-y linguistics
< 1227733697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooooooo
< 1227733720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, ehird changed point of view just to avoid agreeing with me
< 1227733723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how sad
< 1227733727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night all
< 1227733731 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227733732 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1227733754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rreads logs. AnMaster: wrong
< 1227733761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said it was off-topic, i didn't say that was a bad thing.
< 1227733789 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: thats an idea. how would you design a TM to follow that rule, without simply /listing/ all the different versions
< 1227733800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | all talking in channel forbidden
< 1227733810 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, now everything is guaranteed off topic
< 1227733827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i'd implement strong ai first.
< 1227733840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | The topic is everything that AnMaster doesn't say
< 1227733855 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: :P
< 1227733863 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmon be serious now
< 1227733879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if AnMaster says [[http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | The topic is everything that AnMaster doesn't say]]
< 1227733882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he will cause a paradox
< 1227733888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we shall exile him.
< 1227733908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | The topic is everything that ehird doesn't say
< 1227733956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | The topic is "AnMaster fails to sleep after saying so, due to defending himself against the annoying ehird, and probably sighing a lot in the process. /sigh"
< 1227733996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | ehird thinks this is funny. I suggest lament sets a sane topic and then +t mode.
< 1227734008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's not going to happen
< 1227734016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last time this channel was opped is when I got kicked on request
< 1227734035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't like us doing what the fuck we want, make your own channel
< 1227734038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a dictatorship.
< 1227734039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you are free to ignore me, but please don't try to be annoying then
< 1227734041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so get lost
< 1227734044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1227734054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I never said it was bad either
< 1227734058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be off topic
< 1227734063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads logs. I'll be as annoying as I'd like, I'm very sure you have an /ignore. I do; it's very useful for ignoring your blabber.
< 1227734064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you I just said it was off topic
< 1227734109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go
< 1227734111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignored
< 1227734113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea ehird
< 1227734119 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ehird
< 1227734123 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo
< 1227734125 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ideas? :P
< 1227734126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi psygnisfive
< 1227734128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1227734130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no linguist
< 1227734140 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well pretend its not a linguistics problem at all
< 1227734198 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its really not
< 1227734207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't read most of the post
< 1227734207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227734217 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well heres a summary in linguistics-less terminology
< 1227734241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | This topic may not be changed.
< 1227734251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | o rly
< 1227734255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now night
< 1227734256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya
< 1227734273 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a sequence consisting of {A, B, C, X}, when any of {A, B, C} precede X, the ordering is always A-B-C
< 1227734281 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ordering of those that precede, i mean
< 1227734285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1227734291 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what what
< 1227734295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the butt
< 1227734339 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you not what i said
< 1227734353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he accidentally all of it
< 1227734365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep... the WHOLE thing
< 1227734366 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you not get*
< 1227734367 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227734374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i was just there, right
< 1227734382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i accidentally the WHOLE WHAT YOU SAID
< 1227734383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\
< 1227734391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus, it was really.
< 1227734398 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i explain it again? :P
< 1227734406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I accidentally it?!
< 1227734410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No way! Not again!
< 1227734414 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unpossible!
< 1227734423 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs ehird in the face
< 1227734434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You purposefully my whole face!
< 1227734477 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fucks ehird in the face
< 1227734491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You purposefully carrier lost
< 1227734502 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaa
< 1227734530 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :african or european carrier?
< 1227734538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lost carrier
< 1227734627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lava
< 1227734629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 pieces of
< 1227734630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 pieces of
< 1227734630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lava
< 1227734632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite lava
< 1227734635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delicious
< 1227734637 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Benny Lava!
< 1227734640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For your breakfast lunchtime!
< 1227734652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the lava live and it loves me...
< 1227734719 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo_
< 1227734725 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo
< 1227734980 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok a silly idea, there are 5 slots.  the first can only contain an A, the second B, etc., the last can contain any of A B C
< 1227735100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the remainder is left as an exercise for the reader
< 1227735136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey psygnisfive
< 1227735146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like smalltalk (the programming language, damnit)
< 1227735279 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never used it
< 1227735317 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well thats not the whole of it:
< 1227735337 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when _any_ of {A, B, C} precedes X, the order is A-B-C
< 1227735342 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :among those that precede.
< 1227735358 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when they follow X, the order among those that follow is unrestricted
< 1227735359 0 :nooga!n=nooga@eod6.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227735363 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh the slots are ordered
< 1227735410 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227735414 0 :trave!n=chatzill@c-98-202-197-109.hsd1.ut.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227735415 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, was there a conclusion about this functional VM?
< 1227735417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but order within a slot is arbitrary
< 1227735422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: not yet
< 1227735431 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean order within a slot??
< 1227735434 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though only the last slot can contain more than one element
< 1227735447 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see
< 1227735466 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you mean theres something like [1] [2] [3] X [4]
< 1227735469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1227735489 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1] - [3] restricted to containing only one item, while [4] can have n items
< 1227735511 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and [1] - [3] are content restricted
< 1227735518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives psygnisfive a C on the exercise
< 1227735522 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this works, but its not very explanator :(
< 1227735525 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y
< 1227735530 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so?
< 1227735548 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the challenge was to find an explanatory way of describing the restrictions :P
< 1227735563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _really_ expect anything to explain it better than what you actually said?
< 1227735602 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual explanation may involve neuron structure and genes, in a horribly twisted way
< 1227735605 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure! there are actually atleast two explanations that are relatively simple, in that the orderings just sort of fall out of the assumptions you put on the systems
< 1227735620 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i dont mean neuronal/genetic explanations i mean computational system explanations
< 1227735661 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two really simple explanations, as i said. they're both very very computationally oriented
< 1227735700 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just an arbitrary specification like your slot hypothesis
< 1227735711 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would anyone be interested in checking out a diagram i put together, that attempts to associate the color spectrum to specific definitions?
< 1227735719 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure :D
< 1227735724 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1227735732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was just intended to be quasi-linguistic
< 1227735743 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://illuminerd.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/om-resource-system/
< 1227735748 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: syntax is very computationally.
< 1227735772 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im writing a paper for a syntax seminar on the restrictions that the formal system we use has
< 1227735775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: makes sense to me.
< 1227735783 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227735793 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: i dont get it.
< 1227735832 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im hoping to work out a GTD style organizing system that you can log every aspect of "life" into color coded compartments
< 1227735839 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks colorful and nice
< 1227735880 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, like if it was an iPhone application, youd have a spinning color coded sphere where you can keep track of things in bins
< 1227735897 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oerjan: no ideas besides that? :(
< 1227735917 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i find the idea boring
< 1227735921 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1227735939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing.  -- rob pike
< 1227735957 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :roman numerals in their original form were actually pretty darn useful
< 1227735973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's right; although i like oop -
< 1227735984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :roman numerals were useful, but that doesn't stop them being primitive
< 1227736016 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: what is U20 v2 ?
< 1227736020 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what id like to see is relations between these object spheres, how resources are related between parties
< 1227736061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: i don't get it
< 1227736119 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: i don't get it
< 1227736123 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :id have to post this other word doc that i wrote up that explains the mechanics of the idea more, rather than the esoteric color associates
< 1227736127 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :associations
< 1227736140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how are the associations esoteric?
< 1227736150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ohhh, you mean esoteric as in the non-programming language sense
< 1227736151 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colors == elements
< 1227736164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't realise because this channel is often offtopic, but the official topic is esoteric programming languages
< 1227736170 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, i didnt know esoteric was a programming language, hah
< 1227736175 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: pms
< 1227736177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not
< 1227736182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language
< 1227736187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a type of proglang
< 1227736190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but umm anything goes here
< 1227736191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227736223 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that makes sense
< 1227736225 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227736267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pretty much the most generic channel on irc.
< 1227736309 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the elements can be associated to colors, red/fire, blue/water, green/earth, etc.  and the "purpose" of those elements can be given broader meanings... so like  yellow == wind == words, etc.
< 1227736342 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: you mean ... http://encyclopediadramatica.com/PMS
< 1227736348 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or green == earth == money/property
< 1227736348 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :P
< 1227736352 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :private messages
< 1227736353 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227736355 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PMs
< 1227736371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't understand psygnisfive's PM obsession.
< 1227736389 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, im talking to him about that ordering stuff and im sure you dont want to hear it so
< 1227736413 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do it to not inconvenience you guys
< 1227736436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't mind :P
< 1227736454 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. still.
< 1227736577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like *all* numbers
< 1227736602 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just REAL numbers?
< 1227736678 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those pesky tranfinite numbers.  coming here living off welfare and and taking our jobs.
< 1227736905 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks a lot... my *mother* is a transfinite number
< 1227737016 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227737041 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention an expert in cardinal sins
< 1227737112 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ba dum dum ching.
< 1227738565 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :applause
< 1227738740 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
< 1227738871 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227738895 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227738901 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :textual esoteric languages are boring
< 1227738931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so last year.  this is the age of _smell_
< 1227738940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no
< 1227738941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :touch
< 1227738944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexual programming languages.
< 1227738945 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Stage 69 has me beat.
< 1227738953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: which is that
< 1227738970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly a problem in the sexual programming
< 1227738971 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hey ... I'm anosmic :(
< 1227738984 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The evil one.
< 1227738987 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: :P
< 1227738989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: what's the code
< 1227739007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ansomic: awesome
< 1227739008 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :763-716
< 1227739064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1227739066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look hard
< 1227739067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tedious yes
< 1227739069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not hard
< 1227739091 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get the third one.
< 1227739096 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first two and last one are trivial.
< 1227739099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try it.
< 1227739121 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the one with four uppity-caves you have to climb
< 1227739126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats so hard about it
< 1227739126 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1227739130 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that game?
< 1227739132 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the third is EVIL
< 1227739137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dotaction.fizzlebot.com/
< 1227739143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it hard
< 1227739145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just looks tediou
< 1227739146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1227739152 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: you should apply for a service dog that can translate the smells for you
< 1227739164 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty easy, you just jump, and hit left very quickly just as you're on the hole, so you get on the brink
< 1227739167 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just repeat
< 1227739175 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only fail in the middle doing that
< 1227739186 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ORLY THANX I NEVR THOT OF THAT LAWL
< 1227739188 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps oklopol 
< 1227739203 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. Because anosmia is life-hindering :P
< 1227739214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ansomnia would be awesome
< 1227739219 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: err, you can't do it like that?
< 1227739222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smells, in general, aren't overwhelmingly interesting
< 1227739226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet
< 1227739231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get to not deal with all the crappy smells
< 1227739232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i envy you sir
< 1227739252 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Do you like tea, coffee or beer?
< 1227739256 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i discovered that, i did it in two tries
< 1227739263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toffeer
< 1227739266 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I can't get the timing right X_X
< 1227739286 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: They all taste like bitter water to me.
< 1227739286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: it's pretty trivial to just hit the button when you're at the hole.
< 1227739294 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yeah, well so's your face.
< 1227739294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Oh :(
< 1227739297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: What about chocolate?
< 1227739316 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Dark chocolate is good ... it's a good bitterness ... bitterness combined with deep flavor ... like Moxie.
< 1227739329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i'm going to tell you that about every level until you beat 97 ;)
< 1227739329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically everything is bitter to you :P
< 1227739335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is at 98, and not playing atm
< 1227739349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm meaning like, probably not this week
< 1227739357 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well, I don't like milk chocolate, that was just a bad example :P
< 1227739369 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Chicken does not taste bitter to me.
< 1227739378 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Turkey (more relevantly) does not taste bitter to me.
< 1227739416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, the last tower is the hard one
< 1227739419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third one is easy
< 1227739431 0 :trave_!n=chatzill@c-98-202-197-109.hsd1.ut.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227739468 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaaa? I did the last tower on my first try! All you have to do is get at the edge of each hole and jump, you can't overrun getting into the next hole so just hold down (and of course make sure to pull up before falling off the edge, but that's not hard)
< 1227739478 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1227739482 0 :trave_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :trave
< 1227739485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we talking abotu the same one
< 1227739501 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so X-P
< 1227739517 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Level bow-chicka-bow-wow.
< 1227739540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it more like bow-bow-chicka-wow?
< 1227739580 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227739581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must flee now, i have AN INFINITE SET to prove things about
< 1227739582 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-->
< 1227739593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IT'S FUCKING INFINITE)
< 1227739603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what _she_ said
< 1227739720 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in regards to how long you have to wait to get some?
< 1227739738 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
< 1227739739 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burn.
< 1227739817 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"The forks."
< 1227739825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: falling into the lava again?
< 1227740084 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i had a friend who's dad falled from a cliff and crashed his head... after that he was forced to discover flavours again
< 1227740110 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he ate things like a sausage with chocolate and mayonaise
< 1227740122 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ... yum ... or not.
< 1227740132 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or jam with pepper and cucumber
< 1227740177 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice that in both of your examples there's really only one offensive ingredient :P
< 1227740193 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liver with strawberries + smoking a cig
< 1227740197 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1227740251 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1227740276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR is falling in lava? with whom?
< 1227740284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with his LOVE
< 1227740302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey whazza full code again
< 1227740308 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227740311 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have it
< 1227740315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wut iz it
< 1227740317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think it's better if fizzie gives it
< 1227740321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:
< 1227740326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you give the full codie again?
< 1227740336 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what's the code for 1-100?
< 1227740350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ehird wants to play can you give him the code?
< 1227740409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wut izi t
< 1227740414 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: We luv spamming u
< 1227740419 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do u luv being spammed?
< 1227740426 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cuz ur gunna get lots LAWL
< 1227740531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hes idle
< 1227740532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just tell me
< 1227740532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::<
< 1227740607 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227740620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :809-936
< 1227740635 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://infosthetics.com/archives/chocolate_pie_chart.jpg
< 1227740679 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What that chart tells me is that white chocolate sucks (which it does), milk chocolate sorta sucks, and dark chocolate is good.
< 1227740692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you ok
< 1227740693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol:
< 1227740699 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why milk chocolate sorta sucks?
< 1227740699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i like white chocolate
< 1227740707 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :milk chocolate has the majority of the pie
< 1227740710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also milk chocolate. also dark chocolate.
< 1227740725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... pretty much just like chocolate
< 1227740744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chocolate is pretty tasty.
< 1227740747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i prefer meat
< 1227740748 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :White chocolate isn't chocolate.
< 1227740753 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't go calling white chocolate a type of chocolate.
< 1227740755 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's not.
< 1227740756 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a LIE.
< 1227740756 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it is schocolate.
< 1227740770 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since its made from cocoa butter.
< 1227740780 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, its sort of chocolate.
< 1227740803 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S A LIE
< 1227740804 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lacks the cacao
< 1227740946 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proper chocolate is just basically ground up chocolate bean + milk and sugar and such, while white chocolate is chocolate bean fat + milk and sugar and such
< 1227740961 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227740965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such as.
< 1227740967 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making it a LIE.
< 1227740982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, white chocolate is tasty
< 1227740984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so stfu
< 1227740986 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its only a lie if you require the phrase "white chocolate" to be strictly compositional
< 1227741000 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the "such" contains the all-important and extremely-underrated ingredient vanilla.
< 1227741004 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And vanilla is delicious.
< 1227741007 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for "chocolate" to mean all and only the products produced using the whole bean
< 1227741008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes
< 1227741010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanilla is delicious
< 1227741014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmmmm
< 1227741022 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate it when people say "vanilla" is "plain"
< 1227741024 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also a yellow-brown color.
< 1227741026 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is so not
< 1227741028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanilla is not plain
< 1227741033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanilla is tasty and exploding and MMMMMM
< 1227741035 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make icecream without vanilla, it tastes bland
< 1227741035 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: It's all the fault of American ice cream companies.
< 1227741037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is better with vanilla
< 1227741038 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats plain
< 1227741041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything is better with chocolate
< 1227741042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything is better with bacon
< 1227741044 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add vanila and WOW
< 1227741045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chocolate bacon has been done
< 1227741045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1227741046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not
< 1227741050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vanilla chocolate bacon
< 1227741056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT MUST HAPPEN
< 1227741066 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's vanilla in chocolate.
< 1227741070 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore it has been done.
< 1227741070 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually refuse to make non-vanila icecream on a plain base
< 1227741074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but NOT ENOUGH GregorR
< 1227741075 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egg & bacon icecream has been done
< 1227741077 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only use vanilla icecream as a base
< 1227741080 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not like sweets
< 1227741086 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, coffee icecream?
< 1227741091 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer meat.
< 1227741092 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much better if you start with a vanilla base
< 1227741094 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i eat something sweet, i must smoke immediately
< 1227741095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: how dare you call chocolate sweets
< 1227741100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare you call vanilla a sweet
< 1227741100 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to kill the flavour
< 1227741105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how dare you call bacon a sweet)
< 1227741109 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as yourself.
< 1227741110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are GODS of your PUNY EXISTANCE
< 1227741114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah
< 1227741115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what GregorR said :P
< 1227741123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon you won't have to smoke after sweets!
< 1227741127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or indeed eat at all! :D
< 1227741133 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cancer cures smoking!
< 1227741145 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregorr: apparently most american white chocolate has no cocoa butter at all
< 1227741154 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1227741158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smoking cures cancer! For some definition of curing! Or cancer! OR SMOKING!
< 1227741167 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: That's because it's a LIE! :P
< 1227741173 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, corned beef is good.
< 1227741173 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non smokers are funny
< 1227741184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Smoking cures cancer, if by 'smoking' you mean 'chemotherapy'"
< 1227741188 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: are you playing the sequel to Portal?
< 1227741193 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE WHITE CHOCOLATE IS A LIE
< 1227741201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yes, smoking destroys the humor gland
< 1227741203 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: There's a sequel to Portal? X-P
< 1227741210 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet but if there were!@
< 1227741210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was joking
< 1227741229 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1227741235 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was being optimistic :(
< 1227741246 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoping and joking don't mix
< 1227741257 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, well so's your face.
< 1227741273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :touche
< 1227741298 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has decided, spurned on by an episode of Scrubs, to use that in all situations in which it's nonsensical.
< 1227741315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yeah, well so's your face.
< 1227741319 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burn.
< 1227741320 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh kurwa
< 1227741320 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: you needed the scrubs episode to motivate that?
< 1227741324 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walked right into that one.
< 1227741334 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just being on the internet should've motivated you
< 1227741334 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Yeah, but so's your face.
< 1227741339 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrubs is great
< 1227741343 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but you know what, GregorR?
< 1227741346 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR FACE IS A LIE
< 1227741346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yeah, well so's your face.
< 1227741347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait
< 1227741352 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-8
< 1227741360 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeah i've been told that
< 1227741367 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i went there
< 1227741387 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went into the Mixed Nerd Cultural Phraseology territory
< 1227741393 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND WHAT
< 1227741395 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of
< 1227741399 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big Bang Theory
< 1227741416 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bang bang
< 1227741424 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bong bong
< 1227741442 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh yea
< 1227741447 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bing bing
< 1227741462 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the universe was created by a Big Bong?
< 1227741471 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D:D:D
< 1227741473 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MNCPT is dangerous
< 1227741474 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Big Bong theory
< 1227741478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for your tongue
< 1227741490 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: the egyptians believed the universe was created by a very large ejaculation.
< 1227741504 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet.
< 1227741508 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this theory might've been inspired by a big bong, however.
< 1227741516 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to join the OTO and participate in some of that
< 1227741530 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Big Bong theory assumes that it was a very large inhalation
< 1227741535 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1227741578 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*greetings from cancer*
< 1227741618 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227741654 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we have the theories of the Big Binge, the Big Bungee, and the Big Bongo
< 1227741757 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big Bigloo
< 1227741940 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :big bang theory tho
< 1227741942 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good show
< 1227741943 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nerdy
< 1227741945 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very current
< 1227741990 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a "big gang bang" theory yet?
< 1227742001 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i just added that to the multi-verse
< 1227742031 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering... from where did they get words describing things and abstract ideas in various languages
< 1227742051 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure theres some possible world where there is such a theory
< 1227742058 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite hard to make completely new dictionary from scratch
< 1227742076 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it started with Vowels from what I gather
< 1227742110 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres only 5 "connecting" sounds, the consenants seem like theyre the static
< 1227742119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: that show stole a game from one of Wooble (from ##nomic)'s friends
< 1227742127 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like "oh, i see that thing... let it be a wyeirmd... nah... or rather .... a tree ! (xD)"
< 1227742128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently. http://www.samkass.com/theories/RPSSL.html
< 1227742135 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what?
< 1227742142 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh!
< 1227742147 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude haha
< 1227742148 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats awesome
< 1227742158 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told you they're current
< 1227742167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that game was invented 10 years ago.
< 1227742171 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still
< 1227742173 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its nergy
< 1227742176 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nerdy*
< 1227742178 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hebrew numbers are represented by alphabetic letters, there is no separation
< 1227742187 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227742202 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227742220 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: what do you think about that?
< 1227742241 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: still, how cool is that? someone from ##nomic, their friend, now has a game on a tv show
< 1227742244 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its cool dude cmon!
< 1227742247 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: of what?
< 1227742258 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:27
< 1227742278 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making a dictionary from scratch?
< 1227742279 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, letters/sounds become associated to meaningful attributes, which then are strung together into words
< 1227742280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well, he wasn't credited or told about it and the show apparently portrayed it as if it'd invented it
< 1227742286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now people yell about it daily on his comment section
< 1227742287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying he stole it
< 1227742297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure the upside is good enough to cover that :-P
< 1227742302 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i dont think anyone believes they invented anything in the show
< 1227742313 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its all very real
< 1227742313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the comments.
< 1227742314 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1227742321 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheldon twitters, for instance
< 1227742330 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok maybe some people think it was invented in the show but
< 1227742343 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the show is for real geeks
< 1227742350 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is an inside joke
< 1227742354 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I find interesting is that before man evolved to a state of verbal language, we communicated like how "primitive" animals do through chemicals and mental vibes.
< 1227742359 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made funnier by the fact that its all genuine
< 1227742367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: "man was originally primitive then evolved"
< 1227742367 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its parodying us by BEING us
< 1227742368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep.
< 1227742396 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: individual sounds arent associated with meanings really
< 1227742408 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats one of the things about language that makes it language
< 1227742421 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chemical communication is neat because it lingers over time, chatter so temporary and "secret"
< 1227742424 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual sound content of words is arbitrary
< 1227742448 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but try to name things you see with your own words that arent riddiculous and do not resemble any words that you know for those things in the languages you know
< 1227742451 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard, huh?
< 1227742465 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well im talking about the beginning of verbal communication, its gotten pretty fragmented with so many new variations and dialects over time
< 1227742473 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: how's that hard? i have python
< 1227742475 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ofcourse its hard
< 1227742478 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we speak a particular language
< 1227742491 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to break out of that is difficult because the sound-meaning association is so very strong
< 1227742506 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trees just LOOK like they should be called "tree"!
< 1227742525 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you ask a french person, trees just LOOK like they should be called "arbre"
< 1227742531 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1227742535 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a japanese person, trees just LOOK like they should be called "moku"
< 1227742537 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc
< 1227742541 0 :warrie!n=Peggy@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227742542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's pretty simple to start thinking in a random inexistant language, only educated fools think languages we know make us associate words with them
< 1227742558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you have to realise that you're bizarre
< 1227742560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227742576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tree? i think it's should be called something with a shizzle
< 1227742578 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ask me in Polish, "co to jest?" (what is that) pointing a tree i will immediately say "drzewo" (a tree)
< 1227742588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like znor
< 1227742592 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im curious about the ideas of orwells new-speak that
< 1227742594 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when you ask me in English, i would immediately say "a tree""
< 1227742601 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe with a CZZHHH at the end
< 1227742613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227742622 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... reducing out all the redundancy out of language and working towards the most basic
< 1227742624 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it seems polish is pretty close to my idea word for tree then
< 1227742633 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :możliwe
< 1227742648 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(possible)
< 1227742661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my brain is polish?
< 1227742666 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1227742725 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: it wouldnt do anything
< 1227742735 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't be glad about that in your place ;p
< 1227742755 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sapir-whorf hypothesis, that language constrains thought, is false.
< 1227742758 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :patently.
< 1227742794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish it was true because i like imagining AIs programmed in BASIC being really fucking dumb and yet making all kinds of cool shit
< 1227742800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck ones twiddling away for ages to do incomprehensible stuff slowly
< 1227742801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc
< 1227742816 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehah
< 1227742820 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227742827 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a whole different issue there
< 1227742832 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1227742835 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a different way in which language affects "thought"
< 1227742847 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen perl 6 ?
< 1227742849 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously since those languages are TC theres nothing one can do that the other cant
< 1227742862 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get cha.  the time it takes to read is already at the speed of thought, its arbitrary what the letter combinations are, its emotion that you are recording.
< 1227742864 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sapir-whorf hypothesis tho is that we THINK in the language we SPEAK
< 1227742870 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not true
< 1227742887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welllllll
< 1227742887 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: the speed of reading is actually not.
< 1227742889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in english
< 1227742890 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language that is capable of altering itself to the enourmous abstraction levels
< 1227742890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time
< 1227742892 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun experiment: read something, speak it, and type it all at the same time while thinking about something else entirely.
< 1227742899 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont mean what your inner voice is in, ehird
< 1227742914 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch, that makes my head hurt just visualizing that experiment
< 1227742920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, everyone has a little monitor in their head right?
< 1227742927 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inner voices are definitely in your native language, or whatever
< 1227742929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you can display images sort of... in the block of space on your head above your eyes
< 1227742933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's kind of not there
< 1227742936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of everywhere
< 1227742944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming this is normal
< 1227742957 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, you have to think about what you're reading to some extent in order to speak it.
< 1227742957 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean is that actual _thought_ is in your language
< 1227742960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh i just used that and eeeeek
< 1227742962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it creeps me out
< 1227742966 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just read it and type it at the same time.
< 1227742967 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like for instance
< 1227742972 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on situation i can think in my basic english, or polish or even both simultaneously
< 1227742977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: TELL ME WHERE THOSE IMAGES ARE
< 1227742978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::--------------------;
< 1227742980 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your language lacked tense and words for time concepts
< 1227742992 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you would be INCAPABLE of conceiving of the notion of time
< 1227742999 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there are no images. what?
< 1227743006 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no cartesian theatre. :P
< 1227743014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: what, you mean you can't display images in your head?!?!
< 1227743026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1227743030 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not what i said ;)
< 1227743034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1227743038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just freaks me out.
< 1227743042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see them, but i can't see them in any place.
< 1227743059 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you say see them but not in any place
< 1227743062 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean actually?
< 1227743069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see them with my eyes, i guess
< 1227743071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just... perceive them
< 1227743074 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot think about calculus without thinking in English to some extent.
< 1227743076 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes sure
< 1227743076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can "see" them but they're not placed anywhere.
< 1227743084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming everyone else can do that/
< 1227743088 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes that he's had ehird on ignore all this time, and /unignores him
< 1227743088 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are they in space around you?
< 1227743091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. just conjour up an image?
< 1227743093 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'r rather like you create a more or less abstract scene described in brain compatible format
< 1227743093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no.
< 1227743100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're... nowhere, really.
< 1227743100 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh thats interesting
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< 1227743105 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that was wrong.
< 1227743112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: imagine a random scene
< 1227743113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your head
< 1227743114 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot think about calculus without thinking in images to some extent.
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< 1227743116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you see it if you try to?
< 1227743117 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is related to what that diagram i showed you guys is all about...  all these various tangible/intangible "objects", can be organized into nested meaningful color-coded levels.   for example:  blue == water (emotions/life)  ==  people...
< 1227743118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think of an image
< 1227743125 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you know where exactly are things on that scene and what happens there
< 1227743129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can perceive it, right?
< 1227743132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't see it anywhere
< 1227743136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no actual seeing to speak of
< 1227743137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet it's there
< 1227743138 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but its sort of within my spacial model of the world, to an extent
< 1227743151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: does it like, appear in front of you?
< 1227743163 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have had enough mushrooms, it does
< 1227743164 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that its anyhere in particular, but its not exactly completely dislocated from a spatial position
< 1227743183 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt appear in from of me in the sense that it looks as real as things i see with my eyes
< 1227743185 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the word "hallucinate".
< 1227743207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it kind of appears above my range of eyes
< 1227743207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then
< 1227743210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can appear anywhere
< 1227743210 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it inherently has a position in my internal model of space
< 1227743212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without being there
< 1227743220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is weird.
< 1227743221 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people can think of images. Most people cannot voluntarily hallucinate them.
< 1227743223 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ehird, i think we should distinguish two things
< 1227743228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: of course
< 1227743233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm asking how they think of them
< 1227743235 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one: whether it "looks" the same as stuff you see with your eyes
< 1227743244 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. can you tell whether its an imagined image or a real one
< 1227743251 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :painter can show you the image from his head
< 1227743261 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two: whether it necessarily occupies a position in space or not
< 1227743270 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two aren't the same
< 1227743294 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can imagine something in front of my eyes, in my normal visual field, but its distinguishably not coming from my eyeballs
< 1227743307 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the third eye :]
< 1227743326 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not entirely sure i can envision it outside of my visual field. perhaps only partially
< 1227743332 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a pretty vivid dream once standing above my bed, i could see the room like plain as day.
< 1227743347 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that does make a lot of sense, because visual imagination is _very_ strongly tied into the actual visual cortex of the brain
< 1227743348 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens sometimes
< 1227743366 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, when you visually imagine something, your visual cortex looks exactly as it would if you were actually seeing that thing
< 1227743371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: right, I can picture mickey mouse on my deks, but it's very faint
< 1227743373 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same goes for other imagination
< 1227743376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obviously not there, and it's very very faint
< 1227743376 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be out of body or not be out of body, that is the question
< 1227743385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1227743387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive:
< 1227743391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of trying to project an image
< 1227743392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think of one
< 1227743395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think of the image itself
< 1227743398 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely dissociating things from places in the visual field is very difficult i think
< 1227743405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll appear *nowhere*
< 1227743409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet it'll seem to appear somewhere
< 1227743413 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you imagine a car that you hear on the street and place it on that street nest to your home while you can't see the car because there is a wall?
< 1227743413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you won't be able to place where it is
< 1227743414 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, think of an image, as in "think of the mona lisa"
< 1227743414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just htink of an image
< 1227743418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yea
< 1227743420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think of it
< 1227743421 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ENVISION the mona lisa
< 1227743426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of it
< 1227743431 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call up FACTS, or call up VISUALS
< 1227743433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... turn on imaging mode
< 1227743434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227743435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno
< 1227743436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call up visuals
< 1227743440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't try and project it
< 1227743440 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to think of his integration by parts picture without it being in any place
< 1227743445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think of the actual image object that represents it
< 1227743473 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I can do it.
< 1227743478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes naturally to me o.o;;
< 1227743485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just what happens when i think of an imge.
< 1227743486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*image
< 1227743492 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can image mona lisa on the wall next to me
< 1227743496 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, we might be experiencing the same thing
< 1227743504 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i can imagine it nowhere
< 1227743515 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i do think its tied in to a location in visual space
< 1227743518 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well
< 1227743519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone else have a mind jukebox? i can play full songs in my head at command.
< 1227743521 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you get pinpoint it clearly
< 1227743527 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yep
< 1227743529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and modify them in any way while they're playing.
< 1227743532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird. but fun.
< 1227743534 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sometimes yeah.
< 1227743542 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how easily can you pick apart chords and such?
< 1227743551 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: especialy Pink Floyd
< 1227743555 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont have the memory for full songs, but i can occasionally end up almost hearing a song in my head
< 1227743560 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have absolute pitch?
< 1227743561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: not at all; it's just blobs of audio data, except I can imagine a tune and it'll do it
< 1227743563 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is all precisely what you'd expect
< 1227743567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i play with it so much that it invented a gui
< 1227743568 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm.
< 1227743571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which appears in my no-space above my vision field
< 1227743577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks basically like winamp or xmms XD
< 1227743597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however
< 1227743600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i play back songs in my head
< 1227743604 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, thats fanciful.
< 1227743604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't hear them through anything
< 1227743606 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh
< 1227743607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even hear in particular
< 1227743613 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes my inner record play starts skipping :(
< 1227743613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just... the sound is there.
< 1227743621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's very low volume
< 1227743624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't go loud
< 1227743628 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes
< 1227743633 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is whats called imagination :P
< 1227743634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as my visual projection is very faint
< 1227743635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227743635 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone has that
< 1227743637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i know
< 1227743641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've just always been interested
< 1227743646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the sort of mechanics of it
< 1227743649 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1227743656 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our subconcious can probably just barely hear "our" end much the same way
< 1227743656 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think its fairly trivial actually
< 1227743657 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing Pink Floyd - Dogs, second solo, atm
< 1227743657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. how other people percieve it
< 1227743659 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of cognitive mechanisms
< 1227743681 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have absolute pitch (though I can't easily recognize anything except G) and can pick apart chords with some difficulty. I think it would be a little bit cool to be a musical savant or something.
< 1227743693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a musical idiot.
< 1227743699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have absolutely no musical knowledge whatsoever, this saddens me :(
< 1227743703 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being savant is cool
< 1227743719 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably.
< 1227743754 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can sing in tune, you're not a musical idiot. Otherwise, we'll need to perform further testing.
< 1227743774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: I wouldn't know if I sang in tune. I couldn't tell.
< 1227743778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, i'm not tone deaf.
< 1227743785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wouldn't be able to recognize if I was singing in tune.
< 1227743795 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you recognize if other people are singing in tune?
< 1227743798 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can play the tune i imagine on a guitar if it's slow enough
< 1227743810 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: interestingly, musical knowledge isn't stored in the brain in terms of absolute pitch but rather intervals
< 1227743834 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its not stored in as just a single music-score like piece of information but rather a markov-chain-like structure
< 1227743835 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why all those 8bit nintendo loops get recalled in my mind so easilly
< 1227743836 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: then you're either more talented or more practiced than me.
< 1227743839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: yes, that's pretty obvious, I guess
< 1227743842 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a linked list sort of structure
< 1227743847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm absolutely, absolutely useless at playing an instrument
< 1227743874 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so if someone shifted in key by a little bit between phrases of the national anthem, you'd notice.
< 1227743881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: Probably not.
< 1227743886 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods
< 1227743921 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: have you read anything by dennett or ramachandran?
< 1227743935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fraid not.
< 1227743953 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should
< 1227743954 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once had the opportunity to listen to other-smart-guy sing. I was disappointed at his lack of singing ability. I still wonder whether he thinks like me or not.
< 1227743956 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of good stuff
< 1227743960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: kay
< 1227743963 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dennett: consciousness explained
< 1227743968 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ramachandran: phantoms in the brain
< 1227743984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, is there ANY person who hasn't come up with the idea of "what if everyone saw colours different to me - i'd never know"?
< 1227743991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely EVERY person i've talked to thought of that at one point in their lives
< 1227744007 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: indeed, and its a nonsensical question to ask :)
< 1227744013 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that was more or less settled for me when somebody said we probably perceive colors in the same way.
< 1227744019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's such a -tempting- question to ask
< 1227744026 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's nonsensical, but I think it's not well-defined.
< 1227744027 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a classical philosophical mental experiment
< 1227744028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine you'd have to work hard NOT thinking about it :P
< 1227744031 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dennett actually discusses it
< 1227744037 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: no it is nonsensical actually
< 1227744040 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its quite well defined
< 1227744044 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just nonsensical
< 1227744048 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to believe sapif-whorf is false. i mean, if i know some complicated concept, and someone asks me how it works, i'll probably just say "read about it", because it's a big effort to translate anything nontrivial to pretty much any language except predicate logic
< 1227744056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it is - "What if you saw what I see as my blue as what I see as my red?"
< 1227744059 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if everyone experienced the idea of "what if everyone saw colours different to me - i'd never know" differently?  we'd never know
< 1227744059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THat seems fairly sensical.
< 1227744087 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the question is sensical
< 1227744091 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea isn't.
< 1227744093 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: when you think of green, one of the things you think of is plants. Do blind people who don't know that plants are green also think of plants when they think of green?
< 1227744095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: why not?
< 1227744111 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I did just make a blatant assumption about your brain.
< 1227744114 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: blind people cant think of green, not like we do.
< 1227744136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: so blind people cannot imagine colour?
< 1227744139 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea
< 1227744140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can they visualize images like you and I?
< 1227744144 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227744151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Even if they could see and then went blind?
< 1227744157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They lose their ability to synthesize images in their mind?
< 1227744158 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thats different
< 1227744158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouuuuuuch.
< 1227744171 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blind synaesthetes (that's the word, isn't it) can imagine color, surely.
< 1227744186 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: actually no it depends
< 1227744201 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to envision any sort of color you need an operating visual cortex
< 1227744210 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, certain subparts of the visual cortex
< 1227744218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can imagine visuals without it but not colours.
< 1227744220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE BRAIN MAKES SUCH SENSE
< 1227744222 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people can get brain damage that makes them color blind
< 1227744243 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that they see in black and white, as such
< 1227744256 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just lack any hue information in their cognitive representations
< 1227744259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227744261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read an article about that
< 1227744262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was weird
< 1227744263 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other people can lack brightness information
< 1227744285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: so it's as much grayscale as it is blue, red, etc?
< 1227744289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it's none of them?
< 1227744292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not a component?
< 1227744297 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227744300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really wonder what it looks like for them.
< 1227744304 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like HSB minus the HS
< 1227744306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'll never know unless it happens to me...
< 1227744315 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cant imagine tho
< 1227744322 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the thing about what we're talking about
< 1227744328 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny that eyes really operate in RGB + brightness
< 1227744331 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why the original question is nonsensical
< 1227744346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the brain so complicated? :\
< 1227744349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227744358 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I went blind due to a cataract, would my ability to think visually be completely unaffected, or enhanced, or something else?
< 1227744364 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like the EXPERIENCE of red is _nothing more than_ the association between some activation patterns in the visual cortex and some activation patterns related to red things
< 1227744371 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: RGB being cones, brightness being rods?
< 1227744382 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIR yes
< 1227744385 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a purely structural notion
< 1227744410 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it means to experience red is nothing more than conjuring up associations with red things
< 1227744415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a pretty separate place to see imagined things in
< 1227744420 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have problem with my left eye
< 1227744421 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why it makes no sense to ask "what if someone experienced colors differently than me?"
< 1227744422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw...
< 1227744428 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i can think them in the real world somewhere
< 1227744429 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the associations are all the same
< 1227744431 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More interestingly, if I were blind from birth due to something wrong with my eyes, would I still have my visual thinking skills?
< 1227744432 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather the nerve
< 1227744438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The visuals you get when closing your eyes and rubbing them a lot.
< 1227744439 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: no
< 1227744441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explain them.
< 1227744444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a few patterns...
< 1227744449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm a bit drunk i can sometimes make them prevent me from seeing behing them
< 1227744449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diagonally-ridged squares, repeating...
< 1227744455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swirling electricy lightning...
< 1227744456 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sound sensors of your brain takes over the visual centers
< 1227744458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yellow)
< 1227744463 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: would they be replaced with equivalent tactile thinking skills or something?
< 1227744463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my brain is more controlled when i'm drunk)
< 1227744466 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: phosphenes?
< 1227744480 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats just pressure activating the light sensors in your retina
< 1227744488 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders
< 1227744489 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1227744490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Phosphene_artistic_depiction.gif Not like this...
< 1227744492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's far more subtle.
< 1227744497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Right, but
< 1227744498 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: your audio-processing abilities get better
< 1227744501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come I have only like
< 1227744504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3-5 patterns in it
< 1227744507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they repeat in cycles?
< 1227744516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another pattern is randomly coloured dots flickering about,.
< 1227744525 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: who knows. it could just be your brains interpretation of the phosphenes
< 1227744535 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey if you wanna experience something REALLY weird
< 1227744538 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try this:
< 1227744539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but why :P
< 1227744541 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I can imagine feeling a solid of revolution just as well as I can imagine seeing one. I don't think I can imagine hearing one, though.
< 1227744543 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i observe something uncommon
< 1227744547 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look all the way to the left as far as you can
< 1227744562 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And touch your eye very gently?
< 1227744571 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, with your right hand, press the right most part of your right eye, just next to the right side of your right orbit
< 1227744572 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227744585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What will happen?
< 1227744586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of scared.
< 1227744588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227744592 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can my right eye be closed?
< 1227744592 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can actually see the finger impression
< 1227744594 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have neurological problem with my left eye's nerve and sometimes i loose vision in that eye, but it happens in a funny way
< 1227744596 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it can wrrie
< 1227744599 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie*
< 1227744608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes.
< 1227744610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it.
< 1227744614 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only that, but the image is in a part of your visual space that you NEVER SEE WITH
< 1227744615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol, that's fun. How's that work?
< 1227744615 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, i see everyhing a bit more vivid with my left eye
< 1227744622 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: same as pressing your eyes when closed
< 1227744627 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressure activates the photosensors
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< 1227744633 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i loose color depth
< 1227744646 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool.
< 1227744661 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1227744670 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heres something else you can do
< 1227744671 0 :trave_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :trave
< 1227744671 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything looks like in 16 color palette
< 1227744673 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close one eye
< 1227744688 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then
< 1227744690 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the other eye
< 1227744693 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then everything is gray and i can see only bright objects
< 1227744704 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :press gently against your upper or lower eyelid in various places
< 1227744714 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the imagine in your visual field should shift
< 1227744722 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i can see only black&white flickering grain
< 1227744724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: so you're an eye-guy
< 1227744737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just had to get labelled huh?
< 1227744737 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like you've looked in a different direction, but rather like someones put weird lenses over your eyes
< 1227744750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't work/
< 1227744761 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then in reverse everything backs to normal
< 1227744772 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ey what?
< 1227744778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: doesn't work for me
< 1227744784 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you do it like i said? :P
< 1227744785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1227744786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does
< 1227744787 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: isn't that just my eye moving around?
< 1227744787 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ brain combines that black&white noise with the vision from the right eye
< 1227744790 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many of you have ever been blind in part of your central vision?
< 1227744796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none.
< 1227744798 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah
< 1227744798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not me
< 1227744799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227744804 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just moving your lense around
< 1227744811 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making the image appear in different places on your retina
< 1227744819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well of course it works. but yeah that looks pretty fun
< 1227744831 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the weird part is that the image moves but your eyeball doesnt, so your brain starts going "whoa whoa whoa wtf is all this"
< 1227744847 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's happened to me at least twice, I think, as part of a migraine.
< 1227744859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never had a migrane. Woo.
< 1227744863 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also interesting, but far more complicated: if you wear glasses that invert your field of vision
< 1227744880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invert your field of vision?!?
< 1227744883 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :initially you will be disoriented and itll be hard to interact with the world
< 1227744889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh
< 1227744890 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so that the ground is "up"
< 1227744897 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after a week or so, youll operate normally
< 1227744902 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1227744904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1227744908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: really?
< 1227744911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work
< 1227744916 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of interesting, covering visual stimuli with the blind spots and seeing how your brain fills it in.
< 1227744918 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only will your operate normally, but you wont be able to tell anything is off
< 1227744935 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i thought you meant like if someone wears inverting glasses because of some problem with eyes :D
< 1227744940 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lol
< 1227744946 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1227744948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah i talked about that here a while ago
< 1227744950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: are you sure?
< 1227744951 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it works because your brain just remaps all the associations
< 1227744952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really can't imagine doing that
< 1227744953 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure ehird was here
< 1227744958 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :horizontally AND vertically inverted
< 1227744959 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: its been done actually
< 1227744965 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: any inversion.
< 1227744973 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :horiontal, vertical, or a rotation, it doesnt matter
< 1227744984 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not very surprising
< 1227744998 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your brain just remaps the retinal inputs to fit the way it represents space
< 1227745007 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, think about it, they're just wires in your brain
< 1227745011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: will you see things "the right way" again?
< 1227745023 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. maybe. im not entirely sure.
< 1227745025 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read about someone who was colorblind and also had synaesthesia. He saw yellows instead of reds and greens, but there were also some stimuli that caused perception of red and green.
< 1227745027 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, what i'd like to know is whether you can learn to do the transition fast
< 1227745032 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, consider this: the image on your retina is ALREADY upside down
< 1227745038 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my wires going from the left eye are fucked up and tend to loose bandwith
< 1227745042 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you invert vision everytime things start to look normal
< 1227745047 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the surprising idea behind it is just that your brain can eventually rewire itself to automatically respond, without having to cognitavely decide, i want to go up, but i need to point down.
< 1227745055 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: probably not
< 1227745057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yeah I don't get that... so...
< 1227745061 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also interesting: when you take the glasses OFF
< 1227745063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is space actually "upside down" to what we see?
< 1227745064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean... IRL :P
< 1227745067 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things look upside down to you :)
< 1227745070 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no
< 1227745077 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that question is also nonsensical :)
< 1227745084 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb i have to eat
< 1227745086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i'm pretty sure you're wrong, have to test that
< 1227745105 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys should read some dennett and ramachandran
< 1227745107 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all very interesting
< 1227745109 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227745169 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw ehird: think of the question more like this:
< 1227745184 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can rotate an imagine on a graph, and say its upside down
< 1227745205 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what does it mean to rotate the graph itself? it means nothing.
< 1227745218 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which came first, the braincell or the galaxy?
< 1227745221 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graph defines space, so it cant be rotated since rotation is a relation with regard to space
< 1227745229 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: world -> lens -> image upside down -> sensor -> invert in brain -> image of the world as it is
< 1227745234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right.
< 1227745247 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is no "world as it is" in terms of up or down
< 1227745259 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is just the topology of space
< 1227745261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disappear now.
< 1227745265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOMORROW: More brain fuckery.
< 1227745267 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the brain only cares about the topological relations
< 1227745267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope.
< 1227745268 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ciao ;D
< 1227745296 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the gravity
< 1227745313 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen those side-by photo comparisons between galaxies and braincells?  they are like 2 peas in a pod.
< 1227745324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: it's just happy coincidence
< 1227745358 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. :]
< 1227745363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, IMO
< 1227745363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227745371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye, see you all tomorrow
< 1227745379 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodbye
< 1227745400 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw a fractal that looked exactly like nebula
< 1227745430 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say that I can no longer think of a mathematical formula (as in those things they teach you individually in math class) that I can't visualize, but then I realize I've never really tried to visualize d(h/l) = (ldh - hdl)/l^2.
< 1227745535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: i haven't seen link
< 1227745553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: stop with the calculus, calculus is borign
< 1227745561 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*borign
< 1227745564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*borign
< 1227745565 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*boring
< 1227745567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
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< 1227745648 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave_: i haven't seen <insert some kinda pausing character> link
< 1227745667 0 :trave_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guh?
< 1227745680 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1227745687 0 :trave_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :trave
< 1227745688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...side-by photo comp...
< 1227745699 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i'll go see if i can track it down, one sec
< 1227745706 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1227745710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like googolin
< 1227745712 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1227745725 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: like http://www.superliminal.com/fractals/bbrot/island200.500.1000bb.jpg?
< 1227745784 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/neuron-galaxy.jpg
< 1227745854 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: the main similarity is that there are stringy things with clumps along them.
< 1227745864 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1227745872 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exarctly
< 1227745909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: OR we're just part of some larger guy's brain?
< 1227745913 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything down to the atomic level has way more gaps between "things" than there are things.
< 1227745914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about THAT
< 1227745920 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: not that one
< 1227745952 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: but quite simmilar
< 1227745958 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I don't think brain particles slowly drift toward other brain particles due to gravity. :-)
< 1227746030 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every object has a gravity field
< 1227746035 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: no, the interactions are faster. this guy thinks very slowly.
< 1227746045 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in our time scale
< 1227746074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, actually we die because our brain collapses into singularity when we grow old.
< 1227746086 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yes, but intracranial gravity is overwhelmed by electromagnetic noise.
< 1227746104 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right
< 1227746174 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders gravity at small scales
< 1227746218 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3AmC9tNDro
< 1227746231 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pickover attractor 10 mln vertices 30 FPS
< 1227746234 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've decided that at small scales, in a liquid, gravity is equivalent to the pressure gradient it causes.
< 1227746259 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder on what machine
< 1227746413 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
< 1227746415 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again
< 1227746418 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 o'clock
< 1227746423 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost
< 1227746448 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'll just fall asleep immediately
< 1227746452 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g night
< 1227746459 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1227746684 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back desu yo
< 1227746687 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gravity?
< 1227746690 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at small scales?!
< 1227746691 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DONT DO IT!
< 1227746835 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have they fixed the LHC yet? when are they gonna collide me some particles?
< 1227746843 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: no.
< 1227746851 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're going to do their first collision early sprinh 09
< 1227746871 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that leak was a huge setback
< 1227746876 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it was.
< 1227746899 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the setback is safety checks tho
< 1227746919 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, if containment fails during a run, thats really bad
< 1227746941 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'll probably kill someone
< 1227746943 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in attempt to prevent other crazies like that girl who committed suicide cause she thought we were all going to be sucked into its black hole?
< 1227746953 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227746962 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im in support of people killing themselves if they're that stupid
< 1227746974 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully she did this before she had little baby idiots, yes?
< 1227746988 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasnt it like.. some indian girl?
< 1227746991 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure
< 1227747006 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez, why not just wait until IT kills you, sheesh
< 1227747028 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: exactly
< 1227747032 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227747034 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends
< 1227747044 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, obviously SHE was stupid and didnt think about that
< 1227747072 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbut if she knew why black holes were fucked up, it makes more sense to kill yourself now than be sucked into one
< 1227747083 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you understood that much about black holes, you wouldn't be worried about the LHC.
< 1227747089 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally think that the transition into a black hole is without effect to the one experiencing it
< 1227747100 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're wrong
< 1227747101 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd die
< 1227747104 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very quickly, actually
< 1227747113 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the coolest way imaginable. but also the most horrifying.
< 1227747124 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the observer who witnesses the "death"
< 1227747130 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227747134 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the dier.
< 1227747142 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the observer probably never would witness it
< 1227747145 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to time dilation
< 1227747151 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fora.tv/2008/02/19/Neil_DeGrasse_Tyson_Death_by_Black_Hole
< 1227747161 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, just making outlandish assumptions :]
< 1227747172 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in reference to me)
< 1227747182 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're also not familiar with relativity ;)
< 1227747212 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time slows down with greater gravitational effects. so from the outside, someone closer to the black hole moves slower
< 1227747287 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if the point of relevance is my conscious, perhaps the matter around me being visually stretched into oblivion to an outside observer is painless?
< 1227747314 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd be stretched to oblivion along with it
< 1227747317 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch the video :p
< 1227747374 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listening now..
< 1227747428 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy, tyson, is like an astrophysics popstar
< 1227747437 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just dont particularly believe that black holes are as destructive as they are labeled, there is one at the center of every galaxy. :D
< 1227747460 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was a guest star on stargate recently
< 1227747466 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227747466 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a creative force via its "destructive" nature.
< 1227747475 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :destructive as they're labeled by COMMON FOLK
< 1227747482 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or destructive as labeled by PHYSICISTS?
< 1227747503 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the commonfolk think that black holes will just suck anything and everything in to them period end of story
< 1227747512 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance
< 1227747518 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you said to a normal average person
< 1227747530 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess myself being a simple minded individual, i likely relate to that level of thought
< 1227747530 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the sun is going to be compressed into a black hole
< 1227747533 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would freak out
< 1227747543 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and say omg we have to stop it, the earth will get sucked in and we'll all die!
< 1227747557 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas a physicist would say, omg we have to stop it, the earth will freeze over without the heat from the sun
< 1227747572 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the physicist knows that the gravity from the sun-cum-blackhole would be unchanged
< 1227747586 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the lay person things that the gravity will all of the sudden because infinitely unstoppable
< 1227747656 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why people are worried about black holes at the LHC
< 1227747666 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at Brookhaven before that
< 1227747681 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they think that the moment you create a black whole of ANY size, whoomf, everything gets sucked in
< 1227747798 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea.
< 1227747918 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i just messaged him on facebook asking him about whether or not naked singularities were blackholes or not
< 1227747938 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227747946 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we is friends on facebook. :D
< 1227747975 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. :]  Ive run across one of his videos before, forget what it was about though
< 1227748052 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this asteroid scenario hes talking about is creepy :D
< 1227748064 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227748121 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227748130 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko
< 1227748238 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we got peeps who do this"
< 1227748254 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are your thoughts on illuminati/skull and bones type brotherhoods?
< 1227748255 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"peeps... if you're over 30... means people.. forgive me"
< 1227748255 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1227748258 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love NdGT
< 1227748444 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can not has sound :<
< 1227748449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must watch tomorrow that.
< 1227748512 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been unproductive all week :<
< 1227748636 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here
< 1227748643 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a holiday week
< 1227748672 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holidays make really no diff to me
< 1227748688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't go to lectures that regularly
< 1227748701 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me either, other than an additional reason for my laziness
< 1227748744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holidays are no excuse not to study
< 1227748752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :study / create
< 1227748768 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its true, i just look for excuses
< 1227748769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*procreate
< 1227748790 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess that's pretty common
< 1227748804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, i only said that because i wanted you to tell me you're doing nothing productive either.
< 1227748808 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227748866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've recently been pretty scared by the fact i'm probably not the worlds best at everything i'm good at.
< 1227748895 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a very scary thought
< 1227748903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that there's a human being out there that owns me.
< 1227748915 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone has nitches of talents, i think its more important to learn how to leverage on eachothers strengths, instead of everyone trying to perform as one man bands
< 1227748957 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones that own us are the bankers via our bank account balances
< 1227748978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: no no you got it all wrong, life is all about being the superior individual averaged over relevant talents for some definition of relevant.
< 1227748990 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how easilly willing we are to agree to wildly unfair fees and rates
< 1227749053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: by own i mean pwn
< 1227749070 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes.
< 1227749110 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am innerly accutely aware of my pwndness, but outwardly have to present myself to my boss as one who pwns
< 1227749141 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talent is highly bound to time.
< 1227749180 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but time and effort are ruled by interest and entertainment
< 1227749186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pwnage inside a small group like a company is trivial, the hard part is being better than all the savants with some kinda mental issues out there.
< 1227749264 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to imagine that after death, existing as higher conciousness, we are able to process some crazy statistics on history
< 1227749299 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i envisioned something like that as a kid
< 1227749302 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there will be like a ubergoogle, that you can type:  who got laid by the most chicks with freckles
< 1227749318 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227749339 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only been laid by a few chicks with freckles :|
< 1227749344 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should probably aid that
< 1227749357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: are you by any chance a girl with freckles?
< 1227749369 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1227749376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn.
< 1227749380 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a second there i had a great idea
< 1227749382 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nm
< 1227749412 0 :trave_!n=chatzill@c-98-202-197-109.hsd1.ut.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227749418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1227749426 0 :trave_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, my wireless routers signal is so weak
< 1227749429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were the one that came in today for some other meaning of "esoteric"?
< 1227749433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i notice
< 1227749446 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1227749456 0 :trave_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :trave
< 1227749462 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea.
< 1227749497 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a pretty good memory for nicks, but it's somewhat vague for new ones.
< 1227749516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually a better memory for nicks than real names
< 1227749573 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1227749578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever had like a math course
< 1227749599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where something was told without a clear definition, and then there's a question about it that's trivial, and just requires a formal proof.
< 1227749616 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't be formal, because that part wasn't given a formal definition
< 1227749667 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or at least you hadn't read the materials that well, and are pretty sure there wasn't a good definition somewhere!)
< 1227749741 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my level of math was highschool algebra
< 1227749752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate proving trivial things, seems like such a waste to do the manual labor of finding a proof in the language the problem is given in, when my intuitive gadgets are clearly superior
< 1227749888 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: mine is that plus some additional calculus, incidetally calculus is so uninteresting i don't really care for knowing it.
< 1227749894 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*incidentally
< 1227749980 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm running out of random things to say
< 1227749991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably should retry sleeping or program something
< 1227750028 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is calc mainly for like statistical processing?  im not even really aware of all the different types besides geometry
< 1227750080 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like ways of finding out levels of force needed to push a block over another block, an junk?
< 1227750083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually analysis, which afaiu is a superset of calculus; basically about infinite continuous things.
< 1227750105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what it's for is not a well-formed question
< 1227750112 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a set of concepts
< 1227750120 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea
< 1227750149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea about applications for physics
< 1227750173 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the complexity of all potentials baffles my mind sometimes to the point where it feels almost pointless because of all the points.
< 1227750177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i could probably do quite well with intuition, but i don't actually know anything.
< 1227750196 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all potentials"?
< 1227750213 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nice use of "point" there
< 1227750260 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm, like needing to juggle too many balls i guess rather, i need to fine tune my target items for attention, i feel too scattered sometimes that i dont take care of anything instead.
< 1227750298 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and chat on IRC all day instead of working :D
< 1227750300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you referring to subjects having too much content to be learnable, or wha
< 1227750336 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um just abstractly as always, more really about my lifes responsibilities, like taxes, and insurance and rent, and projects, and etc.
< 1227750374 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really there isnt all THAT much, its just laying them out on a scale, and only observing one at a time, instead of being overwhelmed
< 1227750416 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taxes, insurance and rent take, taken together, about -0.00% of your time.
< 1227750438 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(negative sign and the floating point representation for emphasis)
< 1227750461 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a tendency to let things slide because there is too much to do, where instead, regardless of what item i pick up, picking up something is infinitely more productive.
< 1227750485 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the beast feeds on negligence
< 1227750488 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, true
< 1227750513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i do is i don't give a shit if things get done, i just take a random thing and start doing it.
< 1227750536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course only refers to studying and other mental exercise, or some kinda project for the fun of it.
< 1227750540 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :captialism counts on the public's laziness, to bind them into the "punishing" contract
< 1227750548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my life doesn't really contain much of that real stuff
< 1227750559 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is my life.
< 1227750588 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im finding it to be more critical to resolve my past neglects before the axe comes down. :]
< 1227750632 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in itself feels pointless, because money is so arbitrary, like this whole bailout fiasco, why do they get bailed out for designing such a self defeating model of commerce?
< 1227750632 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care about the past/future
< 1227750665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trave: hard to say, i don't watch pokemon
< 1227750727 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, money isn't really something one needs to work for, i mean, the amount of money you get from one month of working will pretty much pay for a whole year.
< 1227750733 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that there are some deep rooted secret brotherhood methodologies of fear and control of the ignorant
< 1227750811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used by whom?
< 1227750816 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :money is only a frustration in my life, the girl i married burns it, and i am left with the shame of not having enough to pay to my owners
< 1227750836 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the men behind the curtains.
< 1227750909 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like a movie director or whatever, they are not the puppets speaking the eloquent lines of verse to the public, they are calling some carefully planned moves in the chess match of world power,
< 1227750911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty ignorant, and i'm sure as hell controlled by no one.
< 1227750936 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not being able to pay is not a shame if you have a reason you yourself deem good enough.
< 1227751031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :applies for anything really, no need to feel something if it's not useful.
< 1227751046 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :controlling the masses through Gold, Oil, and Drugs, you don't have to imprison the people in physical walls.
< 1227751060 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in G.O.D. we trust
< 1227751069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what "controlling the masses" means.
< 1227751083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's clever, probably a well-known backronym?
< 1227751129 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i don't think i'd be "controlled" in any way were i incarcerated.
< 1227751147 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact that would make my life more free, right now i'm controlled by my loose network of friends.
< 1227751190 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :control over the wallet, stomach, and mind?
< 1227751201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't control mind
< 1227751207 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :religion is control of the mind
< 1227751220 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :controlling wallet and stomach is only control if you care about those
< 1227751221 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everyone is trapped in that, but MANY i know are. :]
< 1227751222 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1227751235 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1227751246 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but religious people are idiots, in my eyes they are an artifact of the past.
< 1227751283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and while i do care about how much money i have, if i felt i had little money, i would stop caring. just like i like moving around, but if i lost my legs i'd just do more thinking.
< 1227751293 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultimately it's only the mind that is needed for happiness.
< 1227751315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not sure i could do without any IO :o
< 1227751327 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i'm not perfect in that way
< 1227751331 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227751335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Slereah
< 1227751337 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are you?
< 1227751404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there were more channels i could rant on.
< 1227751421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i just have finnish chans where i wouldn't get kb'd, and those are asleep :|
< 1227751785 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive got a headache and really need to close this laptop.  it was a pleasure chatting with you fellas though
< 1227751789 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will be back.
< 1227751793 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a good night
< 1227751911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nights.
< 1227751963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you'll even see a short conversation about esolangs if you hang around long enough.
< 1227751971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i'll try sleeping too ->
< 1227752029 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-
< 1227752031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which
< 1227752041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had an epiphany about noprob
< 1227752044 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cut! :DD
< 1227752049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically
< 1227752060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i removed probability variables, because they made no sense.
< 1227752072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, all variables have a "probability"
< 1227752097 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning "the portion of models for the 3sat instance where that variable is true"
< 1227752113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, and only this can be used for conditional things
< 1227752127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, when you add new clauses, all probabilities change
< 1227752155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i could just have prolog's cut, or a similar thing, doesn't really fit the paradigm, but it's very practical, and prology :P
< 1227752191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really all it needs to do it fix probabilities.
< 1227752250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will get pretty complicated if you use those variables in further clauses, because other variables will have their probabilities calculated on the probabilities of the fixed variables, instead of the assumed 50% chance for (as yet) undefined variables
< 1227752298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not making any sense, but i'm pretty sure i have something that works right here, so maybe you'll be seeing specs in like five years from now? may be a bit optimistic
< 1227752300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway
< 1227752307 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep, hopefully no ideas this time ->
< 1227752378 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227752429 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph. I just went to the web site of the Triple Nine Society. It said this: "Hey, come and join us! We have smart people, and you're smart enough to join! Oh, wait, you're not 18 or older? Go away."
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< 1227753042 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227753358 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227753361 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a peculiar tea
< 1227753409 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it made from tree bark?
< 1227753421 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227753424 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its called russian caravan
< 1227753436 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its smokey
< 1227753447 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.. smoked sausages
< 1227753556 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i joke that its called "russian caravan" because they get it from the back Evgeny's town-and-country
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< 1227756879 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ayyPzuHGNU
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< 1227758405 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :psygnisfive_
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< 1227759284 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1227759984 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227760068 0 :jayCampbell!n=jay@209.66.100.34 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227760071 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fresh off the press http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:JayCampbell/smatiny.rb
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< 1227760260 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1227760614 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSMIPS can pwd 8-D
< 1227760756 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know
< 1227760761 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the greatest testament to ubuntu
< 1227760778 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that ive installed it on my grandparents computer and they've been using it for 5 months now without any issues.
< 1227760869 0 :psygnisfive_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :psygnisfive
< 1227760911 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227761368 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# /hello
< 1227761368 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world!
< 1227761402 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :observation: natural language is the programming language of the human mind
< 1227761410 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks a lot like intercal
< 1227761654 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227761730 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1227761915 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not an observation.
< 1227761919 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a postulation.
< 1227762073 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes well
< 1227762116 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so's your face.
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< 1227763337 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody want to help me make an AJAX filesystem for JSMIPS?
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< 1227765398 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajax to where
< 1227765433 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$YOUR_FAVORITE_WEB_SERVER
< 1227765474 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can help on the server end
< 1227765489 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want maybe php for ubiquity
< 1227765534 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1227765535 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe permission metadata stored in a yaml dotfile
< 1227765566 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or JSON'd outside the served document root
< 1227766021 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No permission data necessary.
< 1227766028 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want an entire directory to be readable.
< 1227766030 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No write)
< 1227766221 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh then you don't need a server end
< 1227766300 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORLY?
< 1227766309 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought AJAX couldn't read binaries.
< 1227766453 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuencode it
< 1227766474 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you know the filenames beforehand?
< 1227766496 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be hard to parse directory listing output from joe random web server (if indexes are even turned on)
< 1227766521 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd want a php, or a file-of-files, or hardcoded paths
< 1227766567 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227766846 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why gopher is a better choice!
< 1227767106 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"."
< 1227767753 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227768636 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227768646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo
< 1227772799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
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< 1227774745 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I'm a thaasophobic."
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< 1227778669 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
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< 1227781556 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227781937 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
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< 1227790828 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;9
< 1227791358 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird
< 1227792261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really want a nextcube and a bebox.
< 1227792264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1227792302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obsolete, awesome technology is... um, awesome.
< 1227792385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i could run the original WorldWideWeb app.
< 1227792390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a nextcube,.
< 1227792404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd need a slick black and white crt for the true experience, though :-P
< 1227794162 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl
< 1227794196 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always liked those green phosphor displays
< 1227794208 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or those simple, orange lcds
< 1227794345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the only pretty CRT i've ever seen = next to a nextube
< 1227794354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Premier_serveur_Web.jpeg
< 1227794652 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that machine?
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< 1227795211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: a NeXTcube
< 1227795221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on which the first browser was first coded
< 1227795230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the company steve jobs made when he was fired from apple
< 1227795248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern os x is based on NeXTStep with a kinky love affair of other unixes and older macs
< 1227795254 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1227795264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comp in that machine is the first web server
< 1227795277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NeXTstation.jpg 'nother one
< 1227795287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NeXTSTEP_desktop.jpg nextstep
< 1227795594 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like blackbox
< 1227795617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the WM?
< 1227795623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it predates blackbox, iirc
< 1227795630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :late 80s - early 90s
< 1227795633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah
< 1227795636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does kind of look similar
< 1227795704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeOS is also awesome and defunct... it's like the amiga, except modern and better... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:BeOS_Desktop.png ... and the bebox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeBox
< 1227795707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame they went defunct
< 1227795712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their browser's errors were haiku :-)
< 1227795809 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227795816 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeOS has cool API
< 1227795867 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we were trying to write distributed RTOS we almost copied BeOS API
< 1227795902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the best computer is the smalltalk-based computer i will one day [not] make ;)
< 1227795910 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1227795964 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smalltalk based computer? :D
< 1227796002 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that look like?
< 1227796019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: like a computer, i guess :) Smalltalk is basically an OS...
< 1227796032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just doesn't work well as the only one, obviously, because it's not used for that
< 1227796039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it wouldn't be especially hard
< 1227796041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would be nice
< 1227796568 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you mean a CPU specially built for smalltalk as a smalltalk computer?
< 1227796573 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a smalltalk OS
< 1227796576 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for PC
< 1227796576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both
< 1227796586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a machine built for smalltalk running a specially-crafted smalltalk OS
< 1227796592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be awesome.
< 1227796618 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPGA and set to work :D
< 1227796636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, it was awesome until you talked about work
< 1227796637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1227797027 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this whole smalltalk about?
< 1227797030 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it work?
< 1227797951 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, running haiku in qemu
< 1227798590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: smalltalk invented quite a few things and perfected others.
< 1227798601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it invented model-view-controller in its original GUI
< 1227798613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it perfected message-sending object orientation, from simula, except way better
< 1227798629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it perfected a blend of simplistic syntax yet easy to read -
< 1227798643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax on a postcard:
< 1227798697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: http://web.archive.org/web/20080129122256/http://www.esug.org/whyusesmalltalktoteachoop/smalltalksyntaxonapostcard/
< 1227798702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[they reorganized their site :\]]
< 1227798714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also
< 1227798729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just about perfected automatic and manual refactoring, and code editing
< 1227798731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with its object browser
< 1227798734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no files
< 1227798740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a great, great language and system
< 1227798777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1227798779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally
< 1227798786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it invented complete access at almost every leve
< 1227798786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l
< 1227798795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can view the source to all methods on Object, add them, change them
< 1227798801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some are optimized out, e.g. ifTrue:/ifFalse:
< 1227798805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some have <primitive> in them
< 1227798808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's very few
< 1227798979 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that example is undecipherable
< 1227799005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: that example isn't meaningful
< 1227799008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just all the syntax
< 1227799009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1227799012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first bit is a comment
< 1227799024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1227799029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit obscure because it's not very useful :-P
< 1227799035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is, tohugh
< 1227799039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that that is -all- the smalltalk syntax
< 1227799043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for special stuff like primitives
< 1227799171 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rotfl
< 1227799177 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squeak is developed by Disney
< 1227799428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nahhhhh
< 1227799431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to be
< 1227799444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an open source thing now
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< 1227799530 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :peculiar
< 1227799534 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooks like a toy
< 1227799556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default gui is ugly.
< 1227799559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be improved massively.
< 1227799571 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read about smalltalk and it's features
< 1227799586 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it turns out that ruby has almost all of them too
< 1227799593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the important ones
< 1227799599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically borrows some of the object model
< 1227799616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does not have the complete object garden or  the immensely powerful environment
< 1227799622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, indeed, a lot of the elegance
< 1227799626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since ruby is a lot more "normal"
< 1227799657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like ruby. but it can't  touch smalltalk
< 1227799815 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee
< 1227799842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern smalltalk is a bit of a walled garden, but it's ok
< 1227799854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can access the network and the filesystem, maybe even hook up to devices
< 1227799858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from there you can basically import stuff in
< 1227799877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i'm deciding what the best way is to get smalltalk to call a block on incoming mail
< 1227799886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly something with comsatd
< 1227800043 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is smalltalk needed in the industry?
< 1227800095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what? it is used quite a lot by companies, esp. in the financial industry for some reaosn
< 1227800097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reason
< 1227800102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's resurging in popularity a bit
< 1227800112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a bit thanks to the seaside continuation web framework - http://seaside.st
< 1227800181 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227800672 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leeks very web2.0-ish
< 1227800698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1227800705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the site does
< 1227800737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically came from deliberately doing the opposite of everyone else: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaside_(software)#Philosophy_of_Seaside
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< 1227800944 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it not MVC?
< 1227800996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOPE.
< 1227800998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1227801000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :capslock
< 1227801001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1227801217 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAPSLOCK IS CRUISECONTROL FOR COOL
< 1227801945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRUISECONTROL?
< 1227802195 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KROOZKONTROL
< 1227802724 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1227804562 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1227804575 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Orc manual has BNF syntax.
< 1227804580 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liek it
< 1227804621 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :String: "orc", "ceci n'est pas une |"
< 1227804623 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1227805010 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSMIPS has ls 8-D
< 1227805025 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, 'ls' isn't the most impressive of utilities ...
< 1227805026 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT STILL
< 1227805107 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next step: bash. Then ... THE WORLD
< 1227805150 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, even that really smelly country?
< 1227805200 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psssst ... this is where you're supposed to say "You know the one I mean."
< 1227805231 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if I was a nerd quoting Futurama!
< 1227805235 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which... I guess I am
< 1227805328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: link
< 1227805346 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Not uploaded yet X-P
< 1227805347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for everyone else: http://codu.org/jsmips//
< 1227805360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey GregorR, does it run plan9 yet????
< 1227805373 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JSMIPS IS AN OS IT DOES NOT RUN OSES *slap*
< 1227805383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR it is not a good os it needs plan 9 power.
< 1227805395 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but so's your face.
< 1227805402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, does backspace work yet
< 1227805402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1227805406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ctrl-h
< 1227805407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ANYTHING
< 1227805430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forkbombs his browser.
< 1227805435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh.
< 1227805436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it halts.
< 1227805454 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a halting problem
< 1227805493 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but so's your face.
< 1227805502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yeah, but so's your face.
< 1227805511 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but so's your MOM'S face.
< 1227805514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yeah, but so's your face.
< 1227805523 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but so's your MOM'S MOM'S face.
< 1227805529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yeah, but so's your DAD'S face.
< 1227805539 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but so's your MOM'S MOM'S MOM'S face.
< 1227805546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yeah, but so's your DAD'S MOM'S DAD'S face.
< 1227805564 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad's mom's dad is dead D'8
< 1227805566 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sobs*
< 1227805574 0 :espernet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227805587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yeah, but so's your face.
< 1227805612 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhhhhhhh
< 1227805614 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well played.
< 1227805617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yeah, but so's your face.
< 1227805642 0 :trave!n=chatzill@c-98-202-197-109.hsd1.ut.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227805677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heylo trave
< 1227805694 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ther :]
< 1227806740 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird i don't know
< 1227806747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said that in ##nomic.
< 1227806749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, darn.
< 1227806760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227806942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, nice work on jsmips, yes I know it isn't an emulator, but an OS emulator rather
< 1227806958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in emulating a linux(?) system on MIPS
< 1227806970 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is an emulator :P
< 1227806985 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's emulating the MIPS chip, just not a full MIPS system.
< 1227806987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, so the goal is to to run any linux binaries for MIPS?
< 1227806992 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1227806995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1227807001 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just vaguely UNIXish programs compiled for JSMIPS.
< 1227807019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, oh not real mips binaries?
< 1227807027 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real MIPS binaries for a fake MIPS system.
< 1227807029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what is the compiler you use?
< 1227807033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227807041 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC
< 1227807059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: nice monologue
< 1227807062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, what about porting wget to it?
< 1227807071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is network stack too hard in js?
< 1227807085 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A true network stack would be impossible.
< 1227807090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1227807093 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Seeing as that JS can't network)
< 1227807098 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning on making an ajax.h
< 1227807102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1227807105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1227807113 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ts about the best I can do network-wise.
< 1227807116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, can't you run javascript free standing?
< 1227807118 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Networked apps really aren't my goal :P
< 1227807120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outside a browser
< 1227807124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: you can do proper network stacks
< 1227807131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure there is some such thing
< 1227807132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it ajax to a proxy php script
< 1227807134 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I don't know if such implementations have (compatible) network stacks.
< 1227807136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does proper tcp/ucp
< 1227807138 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Blech :P
< 1227807140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uuencode stuff either way
< 1227807142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kjscmd?
< 1227807144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: yeah but
< 1227807146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could run irssi
< 1227807148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and firefox
< 1227807150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1227807150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just
< 1227807152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about it.
< 1227807155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to use konqueror
< 1227807167 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah, I'll be running Firefox in JS any day now :P
< 1227807170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, also what did ehird said? he is on ignore
< 1227807186 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You're on his /ignore too, enjoy this disjunct discourse.
< 1227807187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: YES YOU WILL
< 1227807193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1227807204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster is a fat stinky poo poo who cannot see this
< 1227807208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ 1337 h4x0r skillz
< 1227807215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what do you mean, cheesecake?
< 1227807215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, so what was the issue then?
< 1227807244 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which issue?
< 1227807268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made you say "blech"
< 1227807302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, I can't run ls...
< 1227807314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried at http://codu.org/jsmips/sh.html
< 1227807330 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I haven't pushed my most recent changes, they're a bit ... complicated and far-reaching :P
< 1227807336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227807345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, what is wrong with making that public?
< 1227807388 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Nothing, it'll just take me a few minutes and I'm lazy ;)
< 1227807402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1227807405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me when it is done
< 1227807985 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/jsmips/system.html
< 1227807990 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now with 100% more ls 8-D
< 1227808150 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BTW, the long load time when you first load up the page and when you firs type 'ls' is the AJAX more than the actual software)
< 1227808228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsupported syscall 59
< 1227808231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 4204784!
< 1227808244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: totally rad.
< 1227808246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227808262 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you do to get that?
< 1227808269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pressed "start mips".
< 1227808277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be working now.
< 1227808284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With some unimplemented syscall stuff.
< 1227808289 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore those ;)
< 1227808298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph.
< 1227808299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No cat.
< 1227808329 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but so's your face.
< 1227808331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                                  
< 1227808331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS stopped
< 1227808331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                                                
< 1227808331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                                                
< 1227808331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                                                
< 1227808332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                                                
< 1227808334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                                                
< 1227808336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                                                
< 1227808338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Wow, "bin/sh" works.
< 1227808339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1227808340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1227808341 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Thanks.
< 1227808343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nests
< 1227808353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, copy paste failed
< 1227808353 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: DATS RITE BITCH
< 1227808358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, not my fault, rather that of the page
< 1227808359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT GOES ON 4 EVA
< 1227808365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't copy paste the output
< 1227808367 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah, I'm forced to keep focus on an invisible input element ...
< 1227808383 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You can get it by clicking on the text box "full-line input for ..."
< 1227808384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, anyway I get a unimplemented syscall and then mips exited
< 1227808398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I press start
< 1227808400 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Browser?
< 1227808408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, firefox 2.something
< 1227808421 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OK, copy the output using the trick I just said :P
< 1227808427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsupported syscall 59 at 4204784
< 1227808427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS exit
< 1227808428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that
< 1227808446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens every time
< 1227808456 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's just a script reloading issue?
< 1227808469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean cache?
< 1227808471 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be ... ctrl+shift+r
< 1227808472 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1227808472 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227808475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1227808477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unimplemented syscall: sigaltstack
< 1227808477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigaltstack(2) failed with: Not supported
< 1227808477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unimplemented syscall: tcgetattr
< 1227808477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now
< 1227808509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/jsmips/server/dir.php im in ur code, looking at yer code
< 1227808522 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You realize that JS code is generated, right?
< 1227808525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227808527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, backspace is broken
< 1227808533 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm well aware :P
< 1227808543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/jsmips/server/dir.php?f=./bin/sh
< 1227808547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, what is dir.php btw?
< 1227808549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/4AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAHQ
< 1227808570 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227808574 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It allows access via AJAX to the JSMIPS filesystem.
< 1227808581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, ah
< 1227808587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when will you implement rm?
< 1227808595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since ls shows dir.php
< 1227808600 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor, that was quick
< 1227808613 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: Only because I used the simplest solution possible :P
< 1227808629 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Even when I implement rm, you won't be able to remove things from the server :P
< 1227808649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, odd set doesn't list PATH=/bin
< 1227808656 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-64-203.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227808661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, :P
< 1227808687 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1227808697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, what sh is this?
< 1227808710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it doesn't accept export FOO=bar
< 1227808713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wants:
< 1227808715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOO=bar
< 1227808718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :export FOO
< 1227808731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen a sh like that for long
< 1227808731 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heirloom sh
< 1227808739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227808745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that quite explains it
< 1227808755 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227808760 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easier to compile on wonko systems ;)
< 1227808776 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made bash compile but it doesn't run >_O
< 1227808778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, I hope this will become POSIX.1-2008 certified some day ;)
< 1227808782 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227808785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for the laughs yeah
< 1227808805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, why is there no libc btw?
< 1227808809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is everything static?
< 1227808813 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is static.
< 1227808817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227808823 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't want to write a DYNAMIC ELF loader in JS :P
< 1227808828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, is the server side source of it public?
< 1227808833 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1227808837 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the hg repo
< 1227808843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah cool where is that repo?
< 1227808856 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://codu.org/projects/jsmips/hg/
< 1227808865 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a data point, this is firefox on XP running system.html:
< 1227808868 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird # ehird
< 1227808868 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J>Murphy # J
< 1227808868 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J # Murphy
< 1227808868 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird>J>Murphy # Teucer
< 1227808868 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murphy # Codae
< 1227808868 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooble>J>Murphy # Wooble
< 1227808870 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J>Murphy>Wooble # 0x44
< 1227808872 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird>J>Murphy # ais523
< 1227808874 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1227808886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: This is why middle-button pasting is retarded.
< 1227808887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1227808904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: middle mouse pasting rocks
< 1227808905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it
< 1227808922 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's because jsmips won't let me copy
< 1227808924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes ehird would hate it (he isn't on ignore atm)
< 1227808929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell, ah same issue
< 1227808935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see GregorR suggestion
< 1227808941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: That's needed.
< 1227808948 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anybody has a solution, that'd rock. I don't have one though :(
< 1227808955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: it's not really possible
< 1227808959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i coded that fancy input
< 1227808962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooooo
< 1227808962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227808968 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^
< 1227808970 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall that :P
< 1227808977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it sucks, AnMaster, btw
< 1227808978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote it
< 1227808978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227808984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously my bad influence
< 1227808987 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system.html in firefox on XP: http://shup.com/Shup/86338/screencap-Mozilla-Firefox-108102710221.png
< 1227808992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate COPYING AND PASTING
< 1227808993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type it out like a REAL MAN
< 1227809002 0 :trave!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1227809003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: yeah and? :P
< 1227809019 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a datapoint for debugging, stfu
< 1227809037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debugging what
< 1227809041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's expected output.
< 1227809048 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227809050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what we all get
< 1227809057 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alrighty then
< 1227809090 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-130-100.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227809102 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mine has a SCREENSHOT
< 1227809108 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I've got a solution 8-D
< 1227809113 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To the input thing)
< 1227809128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, oh?
< 1227809129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: what is it?
< 1227809131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll tell you why it doesn't work
< 1227809140 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made it focus when you click on the <div>
< 1227809146 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it certainly seems to work :P
< 1227809149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's a boring solution.
< 1227809149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227809156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: but
< 1227809160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about clicking a button
< 1227809164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be able to type right after
< 1227809170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better solution: unfocus when you click on blank spac
< 1227809170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1227809173 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All three buttons cause it to refocus.
< 1227809179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227809196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now GregorR
< 1227809200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have to implement backspace?
< 1227809201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227809209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cursor positioning.
< 1227809222 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1227809223 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227809227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you
< 1227809227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227809228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227809236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, i just copied the screen easily
< 1227809239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :select screen, edit->copy
< 1227809247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, i doubt AnMaster has any menus
< 1227809253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being h a r d c o r e
< 1227809420 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227809656 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227809758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right I gave ehird a chance off the ignore and he just insulted again
< 1227809760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1227810976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TMwO9PX4_7c
< 1227811197 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227811345 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227811463 0 :warrie!n=Peggy@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227811545 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie, smatiny.rb runs
< 1227811560 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite calling it smanity most of the way through development
< 1227811564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1227811661 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just multiplied the number of binaries by ~a gagillion
< 1227811691 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much is a gagilion?
< 1227811699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4
< 1227811708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more precisely:
< 1227811712 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teh compiling, ur doin it rong
< 1227811721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like...
< 1227811726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1227811726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two
< 1227811728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1227811729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 increase
< 1227811730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227811738 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :53 :P
< 1227811753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gagillion = 53
< 1227811753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely.
< 1227811758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird
< 1227811774 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the multiple of binaries :P
< 1227811836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from this we deduce gag = log 53 / log 1000 - 1
< 1227811853 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(american style)
< 1227811863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gag is therefore ~= 0.86
< 1227811875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i messed that up
< 1227811884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did
< 1227811890 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA
< 1227811895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-0.425241376799737
< 1227811902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's mind breaks
< 1227811952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a parsing error :D
< 1227811965 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat doesn't work :P
< 1227811986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: feed it
< 1227811989 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: cats never work
< 1227811997 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only play
< 1227812000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: WE ARE SO CLEVER WE CAME UP WITH THE SAME JOKE
< 1227812007 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# factor 24
< 1227812007 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1227812007 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch!
< 1227812010 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's just not right.
< 1227812019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is
< 1227812019 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: "Ouch!" is from the factor program, not me :P )
< 1227812022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed 0 is not a factor of 24
< 1227812028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the reverse is true
< 1227812030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe jsmips lives in an alternate universe
< 1227812033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where 0 is a factor of 24
< 1227812036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so is the number Ouch!
< 1227812059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR:
< 1227812061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# ls bin
< 1227812062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of memory
< 1227812075 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm well aware.
< 1227812075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lol'
< 1227812076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1227812081 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why that's happening.
< 1227812090 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huge bin?
< 1227812103 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that huge :P
< 1227812104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50-something binaries
< 1227812105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not huge
< 1227812108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... huge for javascript
< 1227812108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227812111 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo * works
< 1227812127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's scrooge's money bin
< 1227814302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hello
< 1227814319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster
< 1227814334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, see /msg
< 1227815362 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1227815362 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1227815363 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1227815364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1227815364 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1227815439 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227815439 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227815439 0 :thutubot!n=thutubot@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227815439 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227815439 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-130-100.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227815439 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227815476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523
< 1227815476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1227815476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said that already
< 1227815483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get your script to handle netsplits
< 1227815530 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1227815595 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227816273 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227816813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, who were you talking to?
< 1227817094 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how many people here do you have on ignore? :-P
< 1227817109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, one currently
< 1227817118 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how many people could it be?
< 1227817125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait two
< 1227817127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes two
< 1227817138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psyg nisfive and ehi rd
< 1227817145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :space to avoid highlight
< 1227817152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no bastard like eh ird
< 1227817159 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you are
< 1227817162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of you
< 1227817163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so yes it could be one of them
< 1227817176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'm only doing it because he keeps insulting me
< 1227817193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I only started the permanent ignore today
< 1227817211 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the former?
< 1227817225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, former ignoree?
< 1227817230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psy...?
< 1227817250 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227817265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc he went way way off topic in a bad way a bit ago, I may unignore next week
< 1227817309 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1227817452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is technically a bastard!
< 1227817477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1227817496 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. that's pretty common
< 1227817516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well I didn't mean it in that sense
< 1227817524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather the other meaning it has today
< 1227817546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitions of bastard on the Web:
< 1227817546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    * asshole: insulting terms of address for people who are stupid or irritating or ridiculous
< 1227817546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    * the illegitimate offspring of unmarried parents
< 1227817549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see which one is first
< 1227817651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh i've never heard that before
< 1227817669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, really? how strange
< 1227817681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and I was using it in the first sense
< 1227817684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the second
< 1227817712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically we all got exactly one asshole too :P
< 1227817751 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere, there's some freak with two, i just know it
< 1227817756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're all just one big asshole if you ask me.
< 1227817775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably worshipped as a god in india, they do such things
< 1227817785 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's not that strange, it's pretty common not to know that meaning.
< 1227817795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well that's just ignorant
< 1227817801 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is so pissed.
< 1227817816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:21:05 <AnMaster> iirc he went way way off topic in a bad way a bit ago, I may unignore next week
< 1227817825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ translation: he made a joke about pedophillia
< 1227817838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next, oklopol said he had a 13 year old (iirc) girlfriend at one point, not-jokingly
< 1227817840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ignore was brought
< 1227817851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being a pedophile is ok, just don't joke about it :D
< 1227817854 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well you said it, i didn't mention sex :)
< 1227817865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: tru tru
< 1227817866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he didn't believe me.
< 1227817880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well, how could he? pedophiles are physically impossible to exist
< 1227817890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing you can do with them is joke about them and how they don't exist
< 1227817892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's just despicable
< 1227817926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i guess i sound too sane to be one? not that i would say i'm a pedophile, but anyway.
< 1227817943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just calling you a pedophile to enhance his perfect point
< 1227817960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, true, that was my point too, when i said it.
< 1227817981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: shut up, pedophile.
< 1227817984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no
< 1227817986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pedophillia is ok
< 1227817986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227817989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joking about it isn't
< 1227817991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should do maths now.
< 1227817992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got mixed up there
< 1227818122 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(anyway in my defense, she totally looked 15.)
< 1227818123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(->)
< 1227818226 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227818394 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
< 1227818405 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227818975 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed ls 8-D
< 1227818995 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is to say, fixed sbrk :P )
< 1227819088 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls is ... distressingly slow ...
< 1227819108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i don't think you'll ever surpass molasses
< 1227819135 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but neither will your FACE.
< 1227819139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru
< 1227819416 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, I see why ls is slow.
< 1227819422 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It stats all the effing files :P
< 1227819428 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stat = load, load = AJAX, AJAX = time.
< 1227819459 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should delay loading until there's a read.
< 1227819486 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: watch out for security holes in sbrk, someone could gain root access...
< 1227819499 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Root access to a simulated machine :P
< 1227819500 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(j/k)
< 1227819642 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227819654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: cache
< 1227819654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo
< 1227819661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get all the info once
< 1227819665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then cache it until it's modified
< 1227819688 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227819695 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably "all the info" != the actual file data :P
< 1227819698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227819698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227819754 0 :ais523!n=ais523@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227819769 0 :ehird!n=ehird@eso-std.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227819818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: cache the file data too, you _know_ when it's modified, you can cache everything until the file changes
< 1227819857 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file data is the problem ...
< 1227819864 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's 12MB of files, it takes a while to download.
< 1227819867 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to download them.
< 1227819877 0 :LolaCL!n=gatitoLi@195-5-95-34.usul.arrakis.es JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227819986 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :banner works X-P
< 1227820045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: have two modes
< 1227820047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stat mode
< 1227820049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and file mode
< 1227820059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't cache file mode
< 1227820061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cache stat mode
< 1227820201 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227820668 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how download time is related to caching: I mean, it's not like you'd have to *prefetch* things if you cache them. You can just cache stuff you need to download. (Of course it will eat up some memory.)
< 1227820684 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not, I have no idea why ehird is saying what he is :P
< 1227820695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I mean
< 1227820700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hitting the server all the time just to stat
< 1227820702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is dumb
< 1227820703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hit it once
< 1227820705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keep that stat
< 1227820707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until the file changes
< 1227820721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then
< 1227820722 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I have no idea why you're saying "I don't want to download them" as an argument against caching file data.
< 1227820723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first ls will be slow
< 1227820725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the next ones will be fast
< 1227820726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also
< 1227820728 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hitting the server N times for N files, that's the problem.
< 1227820733 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how it already is.
< 1227820735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: so make a batch mode
< 1227820738 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First ls is slow, the rest are fast.
< 1227820743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1227820747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't  download the WHOLE file does it?
< 1227820747 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only problem is that the first ls is REALLY FUCKING SLOW :P
< 1227820749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just stats it?
< 1227820750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right?
< 1227820757 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it downloads the whole file, that's the problem :P
< 1227820762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: So add a &stat=1
< 1227820767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just returns the stat info
< 1227820768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stoopid
< 1227820789 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just stating the problem, not that it's difficult to solve.
< 1227820797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the time it's taken yout o tell us
< 1227820798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := fix it
< 1227820798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227820814 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't, I'm gonna go gorge myself with turkey and ham now.
< 1227820815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://profy.us/2008/11/27/openid-gets-political-support-from-barack-obama/
< 1227820815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol wat.
< 1227820846 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were American...?
< 1227820884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1227820885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm british
< 1227820893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttt
< 1227820898 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :P
< 1227820898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's me being american got to do with it
< 1227820899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227820908 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In America, today is gorge-yourself-with-turkey day.
< 1227820919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i meant
< 1227820921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://profy.us/2008/11/27/openid-gets-political-support-from-barack-obama/ lol wat
< 1227820926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes
< 1227820926 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhhhhhhh
< 1227820927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1227820931 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, good :P
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< 1227824505 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..."
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< 1227828075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, stat() wouldn't need full download
< 1227828084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would just need server to extract some info
< 1227829280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive:
< 1227829295 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup
< 1227829386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i wanna try that upside down thing.
< 1227829393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you use inversing glasses thingy
< 1227829395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a week.
< 1227829398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this sane y/n
< 1227829425 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. it'll be unwise to do it.
< 1227829445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: why
< 1227829475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Y
< 1227829503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Y Y Y Y Y
< 1227829504 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itll be hard to get around the first few days while you adjust
< 1227829516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i don't move all that much most of the time
< 1227829516 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be dangerous walking around a city or something without an escort
< 1227829517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooooo
< 1227829523 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still
< 1227829524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i won't walk around a city
< 1227829525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227829526 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get injured
< 1227829532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm clumsy anyway
< 1227829533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227829533 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you need the glasses :p
< 1227829542 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well can i have your body when you get killed?
< 1227829544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat?
< 1227829546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1227829547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227829548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227829550 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1227829558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227829565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do it sideways so that I get a tall-screen.
< 1227829568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of a wide-screen
< 1227829569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1227829660 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know if that'd work :P
< 1227829667 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk coffee and cake
< 1227829687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coffeeeeeeee
< 1227829729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeah you should try it. i would've tried it years ago if i had the glasses
< 1227829739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: actually you should try it
< 1227829741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're oklopol
< 1227829741 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really feel like making something that complicated myself
< 1227829743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have no problems
< 1227829754 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed i'd probably learn it in a day.
< 1227829755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or not
< 1227829768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're oklopol
< 1227829769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you woul
< 1227829770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1227829777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
< 1227829779 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes of course
< 1227829782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now sleep time!
< 1227829792 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a goooood night nightity nighties
< 1227829794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :------>
< 1227829805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1227829806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227830337 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bacl yo
< 1227830430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, another idea:
< 1227830432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EAT MY EYEBALLS
< 1227830434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss
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< 1227830904 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1227830910 0 :DarkPants!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GreaseMonkey
< 1227832521 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227832526 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eats ehirds eyeballs
< 1227832952 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
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< 1227834389 0 :Jarocks!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227835132 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1227836027 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227836605 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLARGH TURKEY COMA
< 1227836622 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1227837613 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't eat turkey today.
< 1227837850 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-8
< 1227837851 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIN
< 1227839036 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of all the times for the MPFR web page to be down >_>
< 1227839358 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UINTMAX_MAX
< 1227839359 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF?
< 1227839866 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's the maximum value of the maximaly-sized int.
< 1227839870 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*maximally
< 1227840334 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha, I just thought of a great way to effectively break the GPL.
< 1227840358 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distribute your source in GPL ... along with hundreds of megs of irrelevant (but compiling) source, which is all incompatible and functions slightly different purposes.
< 1227840372 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody will be able to disect the part that actually corresponds to the binaries you distribute :P
< 1227840738 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm "The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it."
< 1227840759 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to convince them that that's your preferred method ;)
< 1227840777 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes :P
< 1227840849 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well this is a weird thing to see in any C file:
< 1227840851 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define char bogus_type
< 1227840851 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define short bogus_type
< 1227840851 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define int bogus_type
< 1227840851 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define long bogus_type
< 1227840851 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define unsigned bogus_type
< 1227840852 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define float bogus_type
< 1227840854 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define double bogus_type
< 1227840898 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intriguing
< 1227840978 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from GCC? I suppose that makes a little more sense.
< 1227841008 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's in libgcc2.c :P
< 1227841033 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still pretty weird.
< 1227841106 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227841809 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I'm a thaasophobic."
< 1227842048 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi gives shockingly useful error messages.
< 1227842054 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/var/tmp" Not Supported
< 1227842062 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realize a directory could be unsupported.
< 1227843135 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227843555 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have vi about 1/3 working :P
< 1227844166 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227844214 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when will bc work?
< 1227844264 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be great to have a bignum calculator handy
< 1227844305 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's bc part of?
< 1227844314 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in bin
< 1227844326 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it just doesn't work? :P
< 1227844330 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of...? the unix utilities?
< 1227844342 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it
< 1227844346 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, heirloom toolkits.
< 1227844375 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I care more about vi ;)
< 1227844528 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It loads termcap ... and does nothing with it ...
< 1227844590 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc > bc
< 1227844688 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1227844981 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: dc works :P
< 1227844994 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: bc is just an absurdly-complicated wrapper for dc anyway.
< 1227845001 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227845050 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH WTFBBQ X_X
< 1227845064 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It opens /etc/termcap ... and doesn't read a single effing byte!!!
< 1227846858 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orc seems interesting, but the interpreter is so shitty
< 1227847220 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orc?
< 1227847224 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ORK?)
< 1227847255 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOOORC
< 1227847264 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that was recently deleted fromthe wiki
< 1227847272 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concurent programming.
< 1227847281 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's three interpreters.
< 1227847284 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One online.
< 1227847294 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One that requires that I open Eclipse to run it
< 1227847299 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And one that only works on Linux
< 1227847475 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty sucktacular.
< 1227847490 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1227847502 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to find a concurent language.
< 1227847523 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying Spico here, even though it's supposed to be used for biological simulations.
< 1227847750 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it requires Mozart Oz.
< 1227847754 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which requires Emacs.
< 1227847760 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't find a Windows version.
< 1227847767 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate OS-dependant programs
< 1227847775 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but so's your face.
< 1227847790 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, my face also hates it.
< 1227847799 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's why I'm making JSMIPS! Every program is suddenly non-platform-dependent ... or some such bullshit :P
< 1227847831 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But will I want programs that runs on JSMIPS?
< 1227847853 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it :P
< 1227847856 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost have vi running!
< 1227847914 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Stochastic Pi Machine (SPiM) is a simulator for the stochastic pi-calculus that can be used to execute models of biological systems. The machine has been formally specified, and the specification has been proved correct with respect to the calculus
< 1227847919 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, let's try that.
< 1227847935 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I doubt that it will help me a lot with such a specific purpose
< 1227848018 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227848030 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's pretty much only pi calculus
< 1227848041 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it would be nice to try it a bit
< 1227848068 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the examples.
< 1227848070 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's o$
< 1227848074 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hello world
< 1227848080 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ionization of NaCl
< 1227848177 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should reinstall Linux.
< 1227848390 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Transterpreter is a small, portable, open-source runtime for exploring concurrency.
< 1227848391 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give it a whirl...
< 1227848391 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the
< 1227848391 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Desktop 	Explore programming in a concurrent language on the Mac, Windows, or Linux.
< 1227848391 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On your robot 	Concurrency and little robots! We currently support the LEGO Mindstorms RCX, and the Surveyor Corporation SRV-1.
< 1227848392 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everywhere else 	The Transterpreter was developed to be portable and run from as little as 10KB of flash with mere bytes of RAM. Interested developers may grab the source and enquire within.
< 1227848395 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck
< 1227848398 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh, vi is deliciously close to working 8-D
< 1227848405 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want an interpreter on my robot D:
< 1227848561 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, finally, an interpreter for occam-pi!
< 1227848606 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO THANKS
< 1227848620 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Occam robot! Destroy him!
< 1227848622 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEEP BOOP
< 1227848629 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EX-TER-MI-NA-TIO?
< 1227848632 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N
< 1227848678 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pets your tail as she gently licks your fuzzy anus
< 1227848685 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops wrong window sorry
< 1227848721 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR IS IT?
< 1227849150 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227849181 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, let's see how this occam pi works.
< 1227849192 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you want to lick my fuzzy anus. I'm down with that.
< 1227849521 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227850143 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi is so close to working >_>
< 1227850242 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses ee instead
< 1227850251 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1227850252 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that
< 1227850257 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's missing?
< 1227850321 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He needs a giant diamond.
< 1227850326 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you get it for us?
< 1227850373 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1227850378 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Occams seems to be what I need.
< 1227850386 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hope it has lambdas.
< 1227850397 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: I'm not sure ... I think it's just the input is limited.
< 1227850408 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing once again lambdas without lambdas is a boring prospect
< 1227850439 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: are you having issues getting the arrow keys to work?
< 1227850457 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: I'm not attempting to get the arrow keys to work, this is classic vi :P
< 1227850459 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using hjkl
< 1227850467 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1227850485 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Occam expressions, there is no operator precedence! Therefore, you must use
< 1227850485 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parentheses to specify the order of operation.
< 1227850487 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1227850501 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantastic
< 1227856605 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1227858191 0 :olsner!n=salparot@79.136.60.96 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227858212 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like INTERCAL
< 1227858316 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does?
< 1227858328 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in INTERCAL, the grouping is done with symbols other than parentheses
< 1227858337 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lack of operator precedence
< 1227858343 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1227858355 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda has that too :o
< 1227858420 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to find shit on Occam, because most results are about Occam's razor.
< 1227858438 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Occam -razor
< 1227858478 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. http://www.google.com/search?q=Occam+-razor
< 1227858504 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah
< 1227858523 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/intercal-man/s03.html#4.3
< 1227858540 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1227858547 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to use sparks or rabbit-ears
< 1227858553 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure Occam has some functional part.
< 1227858584 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: how's vi?
< 1227858606 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: There are some other wonky issues I have to fix before I can figure out what's wrong with it.
< 1227858694 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope some of the fixes to vi help bc as well :P
< 1227858754 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite possibly.
< 1227858840 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinks like du and cp are failing in truly bizarre ways.
< 1227858861 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it's some kind of problem with the I/O subsystem, which is probably affecting keyboard I/O just as much as file I/O
< 1227858863 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CP D:
< 1227859002 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rargh
< 1227859013 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know a concurent language with lambdas in it?
< 1227859199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1227859200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227859271 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In parallel computing, an embarrassingly parallel workload (or embarrassingly parallel problem) is one for which little or no effort is required to separate the problem into a number of parallel tasks."
< 1227859271 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227859467 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1227859468 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oz.
< 1227859469 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee.
< 1227859478 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh sh**.
< 1227859497 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one I don't know if I can fix ...
< 1227859511 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that something deep in the ABI isn't passing long long's correctly to functions.
< 1227859512 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you divide by zero
< 1227859609 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have nothing whatsoever to do with those parts of the ABI.
< 1227859818 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, never mind ... seems that's a problem with printf specifically.
< 1227859825 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then that's probably just newlib.
< 1227859910 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While this is theoretically possible, it's obvious that Mr. Stephenson's never actually programmed them himself. If he had, he would quickly have realized that no one programs Turing machines in the real world."
< 1227859913 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I resent that remark.
< 1227859957 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not real-world until there's a Visual Turing Machine Enterprise Edition 2010
< 1227860860 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what of the LOVE MACHINE 9000?
< 1227860867 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like way higher than 2010
< 1227860959 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just reread The Diamond Age a couple of days ago, and actually it was rather real-worldish in the way that after encountering Turing machines, there are successively more "high-level" systems (including that one where stuff was programmed with a language that was "extremely pithy and made heavy use of parentheses") that are just said to be computationally equivalent to Turing machines.
< 1227860988 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly there's that one bit of programming Turing machines, but it makes for a good story.
< 1227861020 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye Olde �renthesis
< 1227861139 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's futuristic?
< 1227861151 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was steampunkish
< 1227861161 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then yeah, a Turing machine is probably a bad idea
< 1227861306 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "Turing machines in a storybook", not "Turing machines actually used in the future".
< 1227861326 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1227861400 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A large part of the book is about an "interactive" educational story book thing.
< 1227861412 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing machines are just used in that book to teach about computing.
< 1227861464 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1227861471 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess that makes sense. Of sort.
< 1227861488 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though they're more useful in a math setting than a computer setting
< 1227861499 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they're pretty terrible to implement on anything, really
< 1227861518 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are mechanical Turing machines, anyway.
< 1227861541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long pieces of chain (with two-position toggle switches in each link) work as the tape.
< 1227861541 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can they be mechanical, if they're in a book
< 1227861583 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the story told by the book.
< 1227861754 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious, that book is in scribd.com, claiming creative commons attribution non-commercial license. That's surprising, and not even sure if it's actually true.
< 1227862079 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In my previous post I talked a bit about Alex Smith's proof that the Wolfram Prize 2 state, 3 symbol Turing machine was universal"
< 1227862081 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duuuuude
< 1227862086 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're blog material!
< 1227862091 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I have your autograph
< 1227862278 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahah, I love retardedly-retarded problems.
< 1227862290 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN YOU SPOT THE ERROR HERE:
< 1227862298 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (flags | O_APPEND) { /* stuff for append mode */ }
< 1227862308 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it C?
< 1227862319 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't spot it anyway
< 1227862386 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To check if a flag is set, you use &. To set a flag, you use |
< 1227862389 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-P
< 1227862410 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With |, that will be always true as long as O_APPEND is nonzero.
< 1227862451 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AYUP
< 1227862454 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M EL STUPID!
< 1227862466 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you hispanic?
< 1227862543 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's still not as common as "if (mode = MODE_BLAH) { ... }"... although I guess that one tends to give some warnings.
< 1227862612 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: No, but screwing up two languages at once is far more stupid than screwing up one :P
< 1227862693 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha
< 1227862699 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One quick way to access the source for dir.php ... cat it X-P
< 1227862944 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: you probably confused it with the | that goes when ORing flags together as in: if (flags & (O_APPEND | O_WRONLY)) ...
< 1227862971 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup.
< 1227862978 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's precisely what I did.
< 1227862990 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't make it any less stupid :P
< 1227862994 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1227863104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1227863156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Slereah_> Does anyone know a concurent language with lambdas in it? <-- hm, erlang is concurrent, and for "funs" which is just lambdas with a different name really
< 1227863172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/for/have/
< 1227863175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird typo
< 1227863177 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed.
< 1227863292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, anyway I hope you find that useful
< 1227863297 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I like to have fun.
< 1227863305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun as in short for function
< 1227863306 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give it a shot
< 1227863313 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gathered as much
< 1227863319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, erlang is not an esolang btw
< 1227863323 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1227863331 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw it on my concurent cruise
< 1227863332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wanted to make sure
< 1227863348 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of fun, what happened to humour in recently created languages?
< 1227863364 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We saw Esme, and we said "Never again"
< 1227863365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, however iirc "normal" functions are slightly faster in erlang.
< 1227863374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it can optimize those better
< 1227863379 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm not looking for speed.
< 1227863386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1227863389 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to try doing the goddamn Limp.
< 1227863403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, there is a lisp for erlang iirc
< 1227863405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me find the link
< 1227863430 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1227863433 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, I love you.
< 1227863436 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have my babies.
< 1227863441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm male
< 1227863449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://github.com/rvirding/lfe/tree/master
< 1227863452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried it
< 1227863455 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So am I, that won't stop me
< 1227863466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, I'm not homosexual
< 1227863485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, anyway lfe is at very early development stage
< 1227863492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far from complete
< 1227863503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need to know normal erlang to be able to use it really
< 1227863511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I have heard
< 1227863518 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, considering that I want to combine the most basic functional languages.
< 1227863525 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not worried about it being finished.
< 1227863539 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it has lambdas, arithmetics and concurrent programming, I'll see what I can do.
< 1227863543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, also are you on *nix?
< 1227863551 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1227863553 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1227863556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the build system seems to be a single Makefile currently
< 1227863559 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be a bigger problem
< 1227863562 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1227863564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erlang itself works on windows
< 1227863573 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What destro would you advise?
< 1227863576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lfe doesn't have a non-*nix build system currently
< 1227863580 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A simple one for simple folks
< 1227863583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, as I said, erlang itself exists for windows
< 1227863585 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("stupid")
< 1227863593 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1227863599 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1227863604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I assume you can build lfe by hand on windows
< 1227863610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be an issue
< 1227863616 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll see that.
< 1227863640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the makefile seem very basic
< 1227863703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, oh and I can recommend the book "Programming Erlang - Software for a concurrent world" by Joe Armstrong (one of the designers of Erlang)
< 1227863720 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1227863725 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang on google :
< 1227863727 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're sorry...
< 1227863727 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now.
< 1227863731 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1227863749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.erlang.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erlang_(programming_language)
< 1227863767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pragprog.com/titles/jaerlang
< 1227863818 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joe Armstrong is a pretty awesome name.
< 1227863826 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should make an action figure with that name
< 1227863831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, for the last one I wouldn't be surprised if the ebook can be found in some torrent or such
< 1227863836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not recommended though
< 1227863842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is an awesome book
< 1227863868 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence it would be awesome to get the torrent of it
< 1227863881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, I think it is worth paying for
< 1227863905 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure paying for something I'm not sure to follow through is worth it.
< 1227863914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, no comments
< 1227863916 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, I bought enough video games and had the same problem!
< 1227863946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well are you going to buy it if you end up liking the language?
< 1227863958 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if I need it.
< 1227863962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, also iirc the first chapter is available for free online
< 1227863972 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'kay
< 1227863984 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, I should need it only for one application.
< 1227863990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, look a bit further down at http://www.pragprog.com/titles/jaerlang/programming-erlang
< 1227864001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Getting Started (extract)
< 1227864006 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I'm a thaasophobic."
< 1227864174 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :???????? ???? ?????????...
< 1227864174 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ?? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ???????, ????????????? ??????????? ???????????? ??????? ??? ??????????? ??????????? ????????????. ? ????? ?????? ????? ????????????? ?? ?? ????? ?????????? ??? ?????? ??????????.
< 1227864177 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also on google
< 1227864181 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the fuck is happening
< 1227864192 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should turn off the proxy.
< 1227864222 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it was the proxy apparently
< 1227864228 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google no likes proxys
< 1227864542 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227865733 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227866097 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227869447 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227869447 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227870383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: come up with valid/reasonable/funny meanings for this expression:
< 1227870385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 / "Hello, World"
< 1227870392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where / is divide
< 1227870431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been pondering a dynamically typed language where every operation is valid
< 1227870443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as dividing any type by any other type and so on
< 1227870459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklotalk
< 1227870479 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227870504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oh it got that?
< 1227870512 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what 3 will do with [/ "Hello, World], but it'll probably try to convert the string to its own type, by default.
< 1227870527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway "string" / 3 would be a list like "st" "ri" "ng"
< 1227870530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logically
< 1227870532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1227870537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other way, I'm not sure
< 1227870540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's what i've specced
< 1227870562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, nice, how would you convert ""Hello, World" to an integer?
< 1227870571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "string" % 3 would be "si" "tn" "rg" i think
< 1227870582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ahah
< 1227870586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah*
< 1227870595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I got an idea
< 1227870632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :""Hello, World" turns into the whatever you get interpreting the byte sequence as a arbitrary precision integer
< 1227870641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^""/"/
< 1227870662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think "Hello, World" would become its length when told to be converted to an integer
< 1227870675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm ok
< 1227870686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what other types does oklotalk have?
< 1227870692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides strings and integers
< 1227870693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklotalk is very high-level, you shouldn't even have to know whether it's a list or a hashmap, byte sequences don't make much sense.
< 1227870705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, so it have structs and such?
< 1227870708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically has just objects.
< 1227870721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an object can be given messages, and it can return things
< 1227870741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm what would "string" / 10 do?
< 1227870745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't split it in 10
< 1227870751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :["string"]
< 1227870754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1227870759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh?
< 1227870774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just splits it in pieces of size N, and has the modulo as the last one
< 1227870783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227870788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"string" / -2
< 1227870788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1227870805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for oklopol to work out that one
< 1227870808 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know. not necessarily anything sensible.
< 1227870821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227870825 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'd probably just split from the end.
< 1227870831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1227870842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and divided by a floating point number...
< 1227870852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of oklotalk's design goals is to make the standard objects as clever as possible.
< 1227870856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pi" / 3.14
< 1227870856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1227870857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227870860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be 1 then
< 1227870863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is cleaver
< 1227870863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, make them able to handle pretty much anything.
< 1227870867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no
< 1227870884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be 1.000something
< 1227870886 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not in a demand-driven fashion, just that there's a meaning for most things you can try.
< 1227870905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, "string" / "string" == 1 then I guess.
< 1227870929 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i think that's "split", so no.
< 1227870929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while "string" / "somethingelse" ? no idea
< 1227870935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ah
< 1227870959 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: as for flaots you'd probably just have the first [N] pieces in the first substring, then [N+1]..[2N] in the next, and so on.
< 1227870966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, where is the spec and/or implementation?
< 1227870971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if it's 1.5, you'd have 2 chars in the first, then 1, then 2, then 1...
< 1227870988 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i've only implemented oklotalk--, which is very simplified and quite boring.
< 1227870993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227870996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, spec then?
< 1227871031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not sure about boring, it's pretty high-level, and useful if you don't mind it doesn't have that much stuff in the stdlib.
< 1227871046 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can search @ vjn.fi's articles, i don't have it anywhere in one piece.
< 1227871057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ah and the oklotalk-- interpreter?
< 1227871065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or compiler or whatever
< 1227871075 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thanks for reminding me about my languages, i think i have enough knowledge now to get my noprob interp done today
< 1227871095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, is the -- one at vjn too?
< 1227871107 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a python interp, but i'm not sure where it is, and it may be on a broken hard drive :|
< 1227871114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1227871118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks
< 1227871121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and I got python installed
< 1227871130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python 2.5 to be exact
< 1227871134 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227871137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have it here.
< 1227871150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, great! upload the source :)
< 1227871179 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i could. don't expect to be able to read it though.
< 1227871192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, indeed I only know basic python
< 1227871200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then your coding style
< 1227871312 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.vjn.fi/oklopol/oklotalk.rar do you open that?
< 1227871322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think so
< 1227871327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just need to read unrar man page
< 1227871332 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya.
< 1227871357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have no idea how that thing works, if you seriously want to try it, i can check to source for what you need to be calling.
< 1227871370 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. cli.py
< 1227871374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227871380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so python cli.py?
< 1227871390 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227871413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and specs for this -- variant? *hopeful smile*
< 1227871417 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :({(-> N (* N 5))} 3)
< 1227871440 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i could up the specs too.
< 1227871450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be very kind
< 1227871521 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's done.
< 1227871529 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227871535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, where?
< 1227871540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1227871545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't work it seems, wait a sec
< 1227871552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1227871577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k, now. except it's .rtf, is that proprietary or do you open it?
< 1227871588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect open office can open it
< 1227871593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah most likely
< 1227871599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/oklotalk.rtf ?
< 1227871606 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's in the rar
< 1227871613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227871615 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just blobbed it in there
< 1227871655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :openoffice can open it
< 1227871694 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i really need to go to sleep. if you're really interested in trying to make something in that, bug me aboug bugs, i will probably happily fix them for you.
< 1227871756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i doubt there'll be any, because i don't make mistakes. but seriously, that code is very badly structured, because i tend to refactor without removing old code, and just fixing it by adding random lines in the middle, you know, the way all the cool kids do it.
< 1227871775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm ok cya
< 1227871779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd time to go to sleep
< 1227871787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :middle of the day
< 1227871794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i refactored a lot, was my first time implementing static scoping, so both static and dynamic required a bit of mental exorcism.
< 1227871816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hah
< 1227871849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklotalk--'s scoping is probably the most differentiating thing from other languages.
< 1227871902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's verry crooked.
< 1227871908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems sane
< 1227871914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Static scoping overrides dynamic scoping, meaning that a thing first checks its own closure, and only then looks for variables in the contents of closures of things above it in the call stack.
< 1227871914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1227871932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that what common lisp does?
< 1227871939 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see "setcar" in ehird's list implementation
< 1227871947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it now? i thought no language has that, but yeah maybe.
< 1227871970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, where is the setcat implementation?
< 1227871988 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scoping is very weird because you use "things", those {}-thingies as both objects and functions
< 1227871998 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: www.vjn.fi/oklopol/oklotalk.txt
< 1227872006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's there in that rtf i think
< 1227872020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, the txt one is 404
< 1227872030 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add --
< 1227872033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub ++
< 1227872033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227872035 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mul //
< 1227872037 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :div **
< 1227872038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A pages you tried to acess does no exist on this servers."
< 1227872041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep zz
< 1227872041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not*
< 1227872042 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1227872044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "no"
< 1227872046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ^
< 1227872058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typoed 404 page :P
< 1227872068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also "page", "access" and "server" :D
< 1227872078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oh intentional then I guess
< 1227872089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one would typo that much by mistake
< 1227872090 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's deliberate, the guy who wrote that is excellent at english
< 1227872094 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227872102 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1227872112 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, i need to go :D
< 1227872112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what?
< 1227872114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1227872115 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya ->
< 1227872115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya
< 1227872155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should create an esolang called "ya"
< 1227872163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could make jokes about "see ya"
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< 1227874771 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 148 (No route to host)
< 1227879510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:11:06 <AnMaster> Slereah_, I'm not homosexual
< 1227879516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you were you couldn't procreate with Slereah.
< 1227879689 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WANT TO BET ON IT?
< 1227880030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1227880099 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much?
< 1227880108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$7
< 1227880596 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're on.
< 1227880605 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need full access to your butt.
< 1227880739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1227880741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was about AnMaster.
< 1227880745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hi ais523
< 1227881480 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227884027 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1227886668 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reboot"
< 1227887390 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
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< 1227894229 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, an esolang called "ya".
< 1227894255 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
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< 1227895184 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1227895195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dold
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< 1227896019 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zolp
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< 1227902399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which character would be best for a prefix for variables that are kinda returned?
< 1227902402 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"?" maybe?
< 1227902427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hmm
< 1227902428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1227902431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^a
< 1227902433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :borrowed from smalltalk
< 1227902438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which uses ^ for return
< 1227902439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1227902450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw
< 1227902455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it represents going one level up in the stack
< 1227902456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a value
< 1227902458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ = up arrow
< 1227902459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1227902461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realize that
< 1227902465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a bad idea
< 1227902471 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except there's no stack here, but anyway
< 1227902474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1227902494 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye.
< 1227902536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noprob is mean :<
< 1227902666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here?
< 1227902752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i want something that lets me use a probability as a number, the problem is i can't really find a reversible operation.
< 1227902761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i need for inc/dec
< 1227902888 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227902893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.
< 1227902908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should just implement what i have and think about how it actually works later... :D
< 1227903059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw. the semantics of "cut" are very weird, basically, you can do A = B & C to make A's probability 0.25, roughly because 0.5*0.5 is 0.25, and B and C are originally true with probability 0.5
< 1227903102 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, a semicolon at the end of line is a cut, it simply forgets all relations between variables, and only leaves the probabilities
< 1227903121 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can use as conditions for entering problotures
< 1227903131 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense right
< 1227903151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are sufficiently insane
< 1227903187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'd also like something that *doesn't* cut, so you *can* have these long-term relations between variables
< 1227903197 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-108.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227903227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm not insane now, i will be pretty soon if i keep trying to get noprob to make sense.
< 1227903231 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"problotures" :P
< 1227903260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes! it's a mix of procedure + block + oklopolitan word-scrambling
< 1227903295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i have a while loop, except the semantics are it's a prolog-style tail-recursive procedure :)
< 1227903303 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds interesting
< 1227903320 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noprob is based on 3sat
< 1227903328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea was to make a tarpit over it
< 1227903341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is storage, so i had the idea to make the variables kinda have probabilities.
< 1227903356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was where i went horribly wrong (not that i'm going back!)
< 1227903407 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, a variable's probability is, as far as problotures / IO are concerned, the portion of satisfying models for the 3sat expression where that variable is true.
< 1227903460 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's kinda hard to manipulate that as a value, because, well, it just is.
< 1227903516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a probloture is of the form (expression)[variables]{body}, which is while(expression){body}, variables have to do with the kinda parameters for the "recursion"
< 1227903567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the body ends, it's as if there were an infinite amount of those in a row, each depending on the last one by the probloture's body setting the special variables of form ^var
< 1227903591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, it's impossible to explain.
< 1227903601 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like a fixpoint then?
< 1227903609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1227903618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda.
< 1227903663 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm actually. i think i originally didn't have the expression there... (got overwhelmed, scrapped everything and started over like 15 minutes ago :D)
< 1227903671 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case it would be a fixpoint
< 1227903701 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, you'd make, say, A depend on ^A through some formula
< 1227903722 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because ^A would have to be known, the next cycle of the probloture would be run
< 1227903738 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's much better, i'll reinstate that.
< 1227903821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again now i'll need some other kinda conditional if i want numberssss...
< 1227903949 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders using 8< for "cut"
< 1227904043 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1227904050 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :✂
< 1227904056 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should try writing like a fibonacci, maybe things would get clearer.
< 1227904087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Azstal: $¤
< 1227904153 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Azstal: you seem to have developed a slight nick disorder
< 1227904160 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I do
< 1227904180 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it normally changes back by magic
< 1227904183 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal
< 1227904212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how did you notice that? :P
< 1227904229 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BWAHAHAHA
< 1227904275 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hihihiiii :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd
< 1227904289 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite impressive actually... someone once asked how there are two of me with the exact same name
< 1227904328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a second there i was about to ask why freenode showed a nickchange that didn't change the nick...
< 1227904406 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing escapes my x-ray vision (WARNING: Do not use while pregnant.  Avoid frequent exposure.  Consult your doctor if you have a family history of cancer.)
< 1227904661 0 :nooga!n=nooga@eou44.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227905306 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-253.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227905498 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-106.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227905700 0 :nooga_!n=nooga@epl39.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227906380 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1227906582 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH
< 1227906590 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi is so close to working I can (still) taste it.
< 1227906596 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's still something wonky X_X
< 1227906603 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it thinks that my screen has 1 row :P
< 1227906686 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lack of ROWS= maybe?
< 1227906772 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227906845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: link link link
< 1227907146 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMFG!
< 1227907266 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just found a naked photo of a girl exactly simmilar to my ex gf on 4chan O_o
< 1227907327 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less talky more linky
< 1227907333 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227907350 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cgi.4chan.org/r/src/1227904327552.jpg
< 1227907352 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut
< 1227907352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today, we observe the main topic of #esoteric.
< 1227907374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute!
< 1227907380 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the piercing is in the same place
< 1227907394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't expect nooga_ to give the link.  must have been a nasty breakup.
< 1227907398 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i do not remember that tatoo
< 1227907425 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, she was cute but extremely fucking crazy bitch
< 1227907426 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga_: It's a tattoo of the name of her new boyfriend.
< 1227907440 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i wish him luck
< 1227907444 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then
< 1227907567 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227907591 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'll need to buy some alcohol then
< 1227907835 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am terrified
< 1227907891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi nooga_
< 1227907946 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g2g
< 1227907950 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a mission
< 1227907952 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c ya
< 1227907953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye nooga_
< 1227907995 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1227909146 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@net-93-145-217-119.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227909736 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys
< 1227910278 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey there
< 1227910293 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :full of great scientist there
< 1227910303 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm connecting to a server on a not well known port
< 1227910305 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says WDN@KHC'E^lbn-X>>!"3YXAdjo:'%$)'
< 1227910312 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in utf8
< 1227910344 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any clues?
< 1227910405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug
< 1227910408 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure its not APL.
< 1227910421 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apl?
< 1227910441 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of APL, does anyone here know it?
< 1227910452 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its got to be the most esoteric "mainstream" language ever
< 1227910469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apl is neat.
< 1227910475 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its hard to read :(
< 1227910754 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1227910802 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ever built a neural network?
< 1227910812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh
< 1227910813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe?
< 1227910831 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to try and build on. specifically, one that uses jeff hawkins' concepts.
< 1227910834 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it'd be interesting
< 1227911063 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's a new error :P
< 1227911065 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: cannot open dirs.php: File exists
< 1227911071 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaha
< 1227911125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227912941 0 :nooga!n=nooga@89.174.55.154 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227912976 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227913005 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am truly crushed :D
< 1227913019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but smiling
< 1227913067 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cause the whole case is so riddiculous that it makes me laugh
< 1227913125 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everywhere but not 4chan!
< 1227913204 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those swarms of fapping faggots
< 1227913227 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: im gonna go fap to ur ex kthx
< 1227913259 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wai
< 1227913925 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION growls at JSMIPS.
< 1227914074 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregorr: why growly? dont hate the jsmips
< 1227914086 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wurve the JSMIPS :P
< 1227914128 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, was it an erotic sex charged growl?
< 1227914168 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly!
< 1227914235 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rawr
< 1227914310 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still fucked up in some obscure way though :P
< 1227914503 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. S�, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."
< 1227914526 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1227915304 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone interested in a little reverse engineering challenge? :)
< 1227915358 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on what it is
< 1227915378 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, summary: You have two functions
< 1227915430 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :function 1: buildStructure takes two arguments, P a set of parameters, and W a set of input items, and constructs a structure S that includes all (tho not necessarily only) the items in W
< 1227915442 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buildStructure(P, W) = S
< 1227915489 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :function 2: linearize takes one argument, a structure produced by buildStructure, and linearizes the items in that structure somehow
< 1227915565 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nature of buildStructure is such that, for a set W = {A, B, C, X}
< 1227915597 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only possibly linearizations, for all possible parameters, are ones that satisfy the following:
< 1227915623 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or rather, they show the following patterns)
< 1227915638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: my solution: butts
< 1227915659 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any items linearized /before/ the X item will be lineared with the following ordering: A then B then C
< 1227915682 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any items linearized /after/ the X item will be linearized without constraint.
< 1227915688 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUH
< 1227915711 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exact linearization depends on the structure produced by buildStructure, and the nature of that structure depends on the parameters
< 1227915714 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so here is the question!
< 1227915742 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of structures does buildStructure produce, what kind of parameters does it take, and how does linearize work?
< 1227915779 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION declares that there are an infinite number of solutions.  DUH.
< 1227915793 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there probably are :)
< 1227915804 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you come up with any of them? :D
< 1227915822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's oerjan
< 1227915824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course he can
< 1227915831 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227915845 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im interested in what solutions you come up with
< 1227915895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he won't, because thin, yet extremely verbose disguises over problems he has already declared interesting yesterday are still not interesting
< 1227915905 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*uninteresting
< 1227915914 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh did i describe this yesterday?
< 1227915919 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know who i've asked :D
< 1227915946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amnesiac, too...
< 1227915979 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's clearly your noun phrase problem.
< 1227915988 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is indeed
< 1227915994 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just didnt realize i told you guys about it :)
< 1227916073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what was it yesterday?
< 1227916098 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it huuuuuurts
< 1227916139 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: then don't do that
< 1227916186 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what hurts?
< 1227916243 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: relative placement of demonstratives(?) (A), numbers (B), and adjectives (C) relative to nouns (X) in the world's languages
< 1227916252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, that thing
< 1227916255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting out of the bed.
< 1227916256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a transposition of that?
< 1227916257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol.
< 1227916260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice try psygnisfive
< 1227916261 0 :nooga!n=nooga@epl39.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227916264 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1227916270 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, i wasnt sure i'd mentioned it here!
< 1227916314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't really read that yesterday or today. still it was hardly possibly not to know psygnisfive was talking about the same thing
< 1227916319 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is specially trained neural network able to recognize naked pics of my gf?
< 1227916331 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: your mother :P
< 1227916339 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean. after he'd asked if we want to reverse-engineer something
< 1227916344 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was like "oh god not this again!"
< 1227916351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1227916364 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm just going by oerjan's "not interesting")
< 1227916388 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well give it a try, oklopol. see if you can figure something out
< 1227916405 0 :warrie!n=Peggy@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227916418 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it may have trouble distinguishing it from YOUR MOM
< 1227916446 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the mention of NOOGA'S MOM mean I'm allowed to say that I just lost The Game?
< 1227916448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, on a run here)
< 1227916456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: definitely
< 1227916489 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oof
< 1227916496 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay.
< 1227916499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i doubt it (professional opinion)
< 1227916511 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about any naked person?
< 1227916564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't they do something like that in some net nanny programs?  i have this very vague recall
< 1227916601 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: they might recognize your mother, but that's as far as they go. (professional object)
< 1227916613 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to create something reverse to that
< 1227916617 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...object?
< 1227916623 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yes i realize that
< 1227916630 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want naked pictures of your mother.
< 1227916645 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol is it 2 am :DD
< 1227916646 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :said something?
< 1227916647 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: his mother is a professional object?
< 1227916689 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well that was actually a weird typo, but if you find something sensible there, go for it
< 1227916702 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my irssi throws away lines containing phrase "your mother"
< 1227916708 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that channel
< 1227916712 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really a typo, one of those brain diarrhea thingies
< 1227916727 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: good
< 1227916750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: are we that bad?  i think i'll have to join Mom Jokers Anonymous soon...
< 1227916762 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and so's your mom
< 1227916780 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in bed
< 1227917119 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+"
< 1227917893 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now everything in vi works EXCEPT quit (pfft, who needs that anyway) and when you go to command mode (:foo) it draws the command right where you are instead of at the bottom of the screen.
< 1227917941 0 :jayCampbell!n=jay@209.66.100.34 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227917958 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: is it some special vi then?
< 1227917971 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: It's traditional vi
< 1227917992 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll attack vim next, since any issues are at least as likely to be vi as JSMIPS :P
< 1227918008 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what  are you doing with that vi?
< 1227918018 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH
< 1227918028 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't know that I'm referring to making vi work on my JSMIPS simulator?
< 1227918047 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaah
< 1227918097 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi in the browser will revolutionize web development until adobe bundles vimWorks in Flash 12
< 1227918124 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it .. obvious?
< 1227918158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-evident
< 1227918175 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it a bit slow?
< 1227918212 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: moore's law will surely take care of that
< 1227918219 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it encourages thoughtful development practices
< 1227918221 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahihih
< 1227918294 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: It's slowish ... but I have a JIT >: )
< 1227918351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definition: a program is considered slow if moore's law matters during its running time
< 1227918374 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL
< 1227918460 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a HTML5-backed filesystem? :D
< 1227918471 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err.. HTML5 DOM Storage, that is
< 1227918666 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot, no `wall`?
< 1227918866 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227918990 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm testing Haiku
< 1227919014 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it appears that it is a major shit
< 1227919147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5+7+5, not 5+11, nooga
< 1227919186 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot?
< 1227919202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: major shit why?
< 1227919208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haiku looks ok
< 1227919242 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor very cool how much you've got running
< 1227919254 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try: i'm testing Haiku / and it appears that it is / just a piece of shit
< 1227919632 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what esolang deserves an interpreter but is lacking one
< 1227919643 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'unimplemented' list on esowiki isn't terribly inspiring
< 1227920244 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim doesn't work :P
< 1227920260 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am SHOCKED AND APPALLED
< 1227920352 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if you were SURPRISED, i'd be WORRIED
< 1227920414 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gives me the obvious idea:  GregorR, you need a tinfoil hat.  as stylish as possible, of course.
< 1227920419 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still i cannot imagine how you've managed to compile something unixy for MIPS which emulator is written in js
< 1227920436 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAGIC
< 1227920459 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baaa
< 1227920494 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i require immediate sleep
< 1227920499 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, GregorR needs a wizard hat too
< 1227920521 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nite
< 1227920523 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1227920637 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR cannot have too many hats.
< 1227920848 0 :oklokok!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227920858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1227921501 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... was looking at the implemented/unimplemented categories on the wiki. "1L" is in both categories.
< 1227921608 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Schr�dinger's cat?
< 1227921610 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how useful.
< 1227921665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, it is not one language, but several, not all implemented
< 1227922083 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but so's your face.
< 1227922127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you _definitely_ need a tinfoil hat.
< 1227923318 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227923364 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1227923366 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal
< 1227923778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1227926178 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooo
< 1227926179 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nighties.
< 1227926180 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1227931134 0 :psygnisf_!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227931565 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY EFFING HOLY EFFING OMGOMGOMG
< 1227931570 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIM STARTED VIM STARTED
< 1227931675 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts vim
< 1227931693 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My vim started in a MIPS simulator in my browser.
< 1227931713 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not millions of instructions per second, is it.
< 1227931743 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A RISC architecture, I see.
< 1227931757 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool.
< 1227931852 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly, I think it would be a good idea to come up with a simple self-modifying language and then write a program that keeps a bunch of programs in this language running, occasionally randomly changing them, and replacing them with combinations of others.
< 1227931882 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations, you just reinvented evolutionary programming?
< 1227931898 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like an evolution simulation, except programs die randomly instead of according to how well they do, and the programs can alter their genotypes at will.
< 1227932070 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIM RUNS
< 1227932071 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VMI RUNS
< 1227932072 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMGOMGOMG
< 1227932073 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIM RUNS
< 1227932105 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes "omgomgomg", much the way people go "nomnomnom"
< 1227932119 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227932417 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I'm a thaasophobic."
< 1227933247 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/jsmips_vim.png http://codu.org/jsmips_vim_2.png
< 1227933256 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err
< 1227933264 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/jsmips/jsmips_vim.png http://codu.org/jsmips/jsmips_vim_2.png
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< 1227933547 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227934257 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we can have vim on playstation?
< 1227934284 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "JS" in JSMIPS is important.
< 1227934586 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/jsmips/system.html Go here, type "vim", wait ten minutes, laugh maniacally ^^
< 1227934659 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227935153 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy hell
< 1227935156 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera's JS is /fast/
< 1227935784 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227936464 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-253.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227936871 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1227937598 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Only problem; There is no way of getting out of input-mode :P
< 1227937637 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Escape works.
< 1227937647 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in firefox.
< 1227937790 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in Google Chrome :(
< 1227937911 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227938180 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd bin; ls
< 1227938389 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227939354 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that downloads all the files.
< 1227939359 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for wasting my bandwidth.
< 1227940832 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227941214 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-15.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227941902 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just improved the JIT ... it's a bit faster now.
< 1227941907 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough though :P
< 1227943947 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227944049 0 :mrgraff!n=chatzill@c-76-113-50-166.hsd1.nm.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227944621 0 :mrgraff!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.18/2008102918]"
< 1227945599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1227945600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227947918 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-64-203.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227947961 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1227948037 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sup
< 1227950087 0 :flomoo!n=chatzill@dhcp-077-251-008-030.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227950105 0 :flomoo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :whtspc
< 1227950311 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi! I've created some sort of esolang, what is the best place to post for discussion ?
< 1227950357 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here.
< 1227950424 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi okay, but I'm quite new to this IRC thing, does conversation gets saved while I'm away for instance?
< 1227950440 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This particular channel has a log.
< 1227950446 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The link is in the topic.
< 1227950485 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay I see :)
< 1227950521 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So don't talk about that time you murdered that prostitute here.
< 1227950529 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227950554 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well let's start with a link to the development topic I have at another forum first:
< 1227950556 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=3710.0
< 1227950587 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1227950593 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A brainfuck derivative.
< 1227950726 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah how surprising, isn't it? it's better explained as a toy to output data in a different way than the usual ascii.
< 1227950744 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where the difference lies
< 1227950797 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like... THIS? http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/Hello.png
< 1227950800 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227950855 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite 2D grids are a bitch.
< 1227950878 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's wrapping
< 1227950889 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a feature :)
< 1227950891 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrapping is for the weak!
< 1227950899 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is non-TC D:
< 1227950951 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also very small apparently :o
< 1227950952 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well hi, I'm a pretty newbie to this sort of stuff,
< 1227950984 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to have some guidelines, I'm not looking for hostility
< 1227950986 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227950994 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't listen to me.
< 1227950998 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm stupid :D
< 1227951007 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The grid should be resizable in the end
< 1227951033 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone is working on interpreter in real language, (other than actionscript)
< 1227951054 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "real language".
< 1227951070 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll find pretty much anything on anything here.
< 1227951079 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a programming language, not scripting language
< 1227951092 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scripting languages are programming languages.
< 1227951096 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah.
< 1227951096 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's making cross-platform c++ interpreter
< 1227951119 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it called... ESCO? :o
< 1227951147 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1227951168 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1227951189 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k, have to go. Cheers!
< 1227951213 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye.
< 1227951224 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227951335 0 :whtspc!n=chatzill@dhcp-077-251-008-030.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227951352 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome back!
< 1227951359 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1227951799 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That PaintFuck looks somewhat interesting. Reminds me of the ant automaton somehow. Guess it could be programmed in PaintFuck.
< 1227951828 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ant automaton? You mean the 2D Turing Machine?
< 1227951847 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, well, a particular simple one
< 1227951873 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it was like (0>left, 1>right) and toggle on each move
< 1227952042 0 :whtspc!n=chatzill@dhcp-077-251-008-030.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227952056 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi whtspc
< 1227952127 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1227952151 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tigsource member increpare created universal automaton in paintf
< 1227952176 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds nice
< 1227952195 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever thought of writing a JS interpreter to view online?
< 1227952213 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Universal automaton?
< 1227952218 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~icecube/2008/11/rule-110-in-paintfuck/
< 1227952226 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, 110.
< 1227952267 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well I'm not very good programmer, but someone is creating webbased application too
< 1227952282 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be very nice to share programs easily online
< 1227952327 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227952499 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]"
< 1227952718 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227952889 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :automata rule 110 in Paintfuck (v3) - is there an v3 paintfuck?
< 1227952970 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227953086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno, hum?
< 1227953149 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: from http://ded.johnmarkkearney.com/~locus/automata4.txt
< 1227953162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paintfuck?
< 1227953164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles
< 1227953186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=3710.msg110146#msg109146 <-- seems relevant
< 1227953187 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: scroll back :)
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< 1227953633 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: What do you do in the console when your local characters are not echoed? I used "reset" in that case but there's no "reset" in bin/
< 1227954597 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227955650 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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< 1227959951 0 :kt3k!n=stibium_@FL1-122-130-193-58.kyt.mesh.ad.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227960134 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1227960135 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
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< 1227961151 0 :nooga!n=nooga@epl39.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227961162 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1227961214 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doo
< 1227961611 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1227961808 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227961924 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1227961928 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1227962293 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"settings"
< 1227962307 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227962388 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1227962393 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1227963043 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
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< 1227963556 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/esoteric/paintfuck/paintfuck.php
< 1227963820 0 :kt3k!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"CHOCOA"
< 1227964286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: I  saw paintfuck a while back.
< 1227964287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boooring.
< 1227964404 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice pgimeno!
< 1227964418 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works pretty fast, especially compared to my flash
< 1227964444 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1227964452 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duuuude.
< 1227964456 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's like right here!
< 1227964457 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash is a bit slow
< 1227964459 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227964468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, I just called it boring in front of the person who made it
< 1227964469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ups :D
< 1227964484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, flash's actionscript actually tends to be faster than regular js in my experience
< 1227964491 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you make it so that it runs like an animation
< 1227964511 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it has one notable merit over most of the languages: there are more than just the test programs written by the creator.
< 1227964515 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1227964517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would just be repeating the step() i uguess
< 1227964518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*guess
< 1227964531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh, now I have to write a version, damnit
< 1227964542 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whtspc: I don't know, maybe by setting up a timer
< 1227964545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't let YOU guys have all the fun
< 1227964560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should do it in haskell. so that i am speshul.
< 1227964575 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the animating part is the best part of it imo
< 1227964581 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can totally let you guys have all the fun.
< 1227964592 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially bugs are beautiful to watch :)
< 1227964601 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably try to do it on the 2D Love Machine 9000, but it would be terrible
< 1227964609 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it only has one layer.
< 1227964614 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whtspc: updates are made realtime, just not shown by the browser in realtime
< 1227964628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: add a settimeout
< 1227964631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after you do an instruction
< 1227964632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead o
< 1227964632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f
< 1227964633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step() again
< 1227964634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do
< 1227964636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setTimeout(step, 0)
< 1227964641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lets the browser redraw et
< 1227964643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c
< 1227964646 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-37-61.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227964649 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:|
< 1227964652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, who wants to link me to the flash ver )
< 1227964652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227964663 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you could say it in a line
< 1227964676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: this is true. i'm typing weirdly today.
< 1227964684 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=3710.0
< 1227964684 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's what I said: <pgimeno> whtspc: I don't know, maybe by setting up a timer
< 1227964694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227964704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not one of those weird people who read things
< 1227964711 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows sorry
< 1227964726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whtspc: flash is cross-platform, isn't it?
< 1227964734 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a download
< 1227964740 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exe
< 1227964743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1227964752 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can compile it as swf if you like
< 1227964773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be cool, I could also start up parallels :p
< 1227964773 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you think it's boooooring :)
< 1227964783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it's boooooooooooooring until i realise the creators in here.
< 1227964791 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1227964796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i get interested inadvertently
< 1227964806 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A brainfuck derivative? By jove!
< 1227964810 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok, just kidding
< 1227964818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1227964831 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's something you don't see every day!
< 1227964882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno:
< 1227964884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript:function a(){step();setTimeout(a,0);};a()
< 1227964889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote it for you :P
< 1227964917 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best program written in paintfuck yet is here: http://ded.johnmarkkearney.com/~locus/automata4.txt
< 1227964932 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: the novelty is the 2D data being shown visually
< 1227964934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be a lot shorter
< 1227964961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227964969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*s*[n[sw*n]ss*n[se*n]ss*] with my stepper is fun
< 1227964976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes off the edges and stuff
< 1227964982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they'll collide in a second
< 1227964987 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno : Meh.
< 1227964987 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227964990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha cool
< 1227964995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's overwriting the old one
< 1227964997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then putting it back
< 1227964999 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i like my own binary counter
< 1227965002 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[ss*s[*]n[e*s[*]n]*e[*nn[*n*ss*n]sse]ne[*e]*w*[*w*]*]
< 1227965043 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be interesting to see a Gray counter
< 1227965093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p.s. pgimeno could you put my stepper as a button it's kind of awkawrd pasting it in :P
< 1227965114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, whtspc, that counter is neat
< 1227965120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks really pretty
< 1227965135 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm working in the animator but a bit more complete than that :)
< 1227965146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: how can you be more complete? its all you need :P
< 1227965162 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe put back the +/-
< 1227965164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: if you put the thing in multiple times it goes faster
< 1227965164 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For COLORS :o
< 1227965165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1227965229 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really curious how colours could take part in language
< 1227965235 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would love to see it
< 1227965250 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's as far as I know not real use to it
< 1227965251 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could replace 0/1 by 0/255
< 1227965259 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So as to see the colors :o
< 1227965282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whtspc: easier to do arithmetic
< 1227965284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for numbers 0-255
< 1227965290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just represent them as coloured pixels
< 1227965300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it's useful as both a programming convenience and as colouromatic
< 1227965332 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just put the red green blue intensity as two bits each
< 1227965351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : well duh that's just rgb colors
< 1227965351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227965373 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed.
< 1227965390 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does in fact make the language more brainfuck than bool/smallfuck then?
< 1227965391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whtspc: could i have a swf please? :) pgimeno's interp  is a bit sketchy as far as animation goes
< 1227965416 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although really, for a nice display, there should probably be one part memory and one part screen.
< 1227965425 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise it will be an epileptic nightmare.
< 1227965433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah
< 1227965440 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah working on it now, can I pack it? I can't upload from here
< 1227965441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: all the ones i've seen look fine
< 1227965454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whtspc: sure..
< 1227965533 0 :nooga!n=nooga@89.174.55.154 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227965534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, i found out about paintfuck because hideous pointed me to it, i don't know if you know him or something
< 1227965569 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO'S THIS HIDEOUS MAN
< 1227965579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a person
< 1227965589 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.willhostforfood.com/access.php?fileid=43043
< 1227965593 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here you go
< 1227965603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay thanks\
< 1227965611 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know he's at tigsource too
< 1227965628 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah
< 1227965631 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i codde for food
< 1227965648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an exe :{
< 1227965705 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really
< 1227965708 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok again
< 1227965745 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://willhostforfood.com/access.php?fileid=43044
< 1227965782 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better download it to your desktop insted of using it in a browser
< 1227965786 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you get that host for a sandwich?
< 1227965788 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it gets really slow
< 1227965792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1227965833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tests it
< 1227965845 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bfvga somewhere; it uses the 320x200-pixel video memory of that one standard VGA mode as the brainfuck array.
< 1227965858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, it works
< 1227965867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now to golf a "white the whole screen"
< 1227965889 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1227965930 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pain.swf/?
< 1227965936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: paintfuck
< 1227965958 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the spec
< 1227965968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on some forum somewhere
< 1227965970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION digs up link
< 1227965975 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may I join?
< 1227965978 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[s[e]*]
< 1227965998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whtspc: wait, how does that do each square?
< 1227966029 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, let's try!
< 1227966037 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the screen is wrapping (what some of your collegues here find disgusting :))
< 1227966039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=3710.0
< 1227966066 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BY JOVE, IT WORKS
< 1227966082 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure you can compress it much more
< 1227966119 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1227966129 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever happened to Unikitten?
< 1227966141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whtspc: *[[s*]*e*]*
< 1227966143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my wipe-all
< 1227966156 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1227966158 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wipe.
< 1227966258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes a langton ant
< 1227966295 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :langton?
< 1227966310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langton's_ant
< 1227966328 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea
< 1227966336 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1227966441 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, reload
< 1227966502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227966510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that you have to keep track which way you're going
< 1227966513 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not easy
< 1227966514 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1227966515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you know how to turn 90 degrees
< 1227966531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's hard to do that without messing with other squares (Read: impossible)
< 1227966541 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may need a 4x4 cell
< 1227966541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd like have to free every other step
< 1227966543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's just ugly
< 1227966543 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USE COLORS :o
< 1227966586 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whtspc: the animation is done, in case you didn't notice :)
< 1227966644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: hey, yes!
< 1227966654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whtspc: that's why colours are useful
< 1227966663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still display graphics prettily while passing around hard-to-pass-around internal dat a
< 1227966714 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus you can make a groovy looking TM.
< 1227966725 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With like trippy colors.
< 1227966729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whtspc:
< 1227966729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[s*]*]
< 1227966736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an inverted mover!
< 1227966817 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"
< 1227966872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whtspc: *[[se*nwnw*se*se]*]
< 1227966912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh!
< 1227966914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: whtspc: *[[se*nwnw*se*se]*[ne*swsw*ne*ne]*]
< 1227966916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty!
< 1227966923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what it does
< 1227966925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's pretty
< 1227966965 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S RICOCHETING EVERYWHERE
< 1227966970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW
< 1227966972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S AWESOME
< 1227967010 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it halts.
< 1227967030 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I like that one
< 1227967038 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should make some sort of program that would determine if a particular piece of code halts.
< 1227967039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: maybe after 34587345345 years :P
< 1227967045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: INTERESTING IDEA
< 1227967057 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS IT NOT
< 1227967060 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I stated before, bugs can be really beautiful
< 1227967073 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'LL FIRE UP MY ANALYTICAL ENGINE AND TRY IT
< 1227967077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really don't t hink it follows any discernable pattern after a while
< 1227967082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just chaos
< 1227967093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION leaves it running
< 1227967093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1227967094 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, technically, it does.
< 1227967096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be eating up the whole grid
< 1227967097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowly
< 1227967104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pooping out little white dots every now and then.
< 1227967106 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's a finite machine
< 1227967107 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my binary counter : *[ss*s[*]n[e*s[*]n]*e[*nn[*n*ss*n]sse]ne[*e]*w*[*w*]*]
< 1227967158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227967162 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is also beautiful with a bug in the code: *[ss*s[*]n[e*s[*]n]*e[*nn[*nn<bug*ss*n]sse]ne[*e]*w*[*w*]*]
< 1227967163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worm actually -bounces- off squares
< 1227967172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while leaving its trail
< 1227967178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it eliminates squares it bounces off
< 1227967184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very cool
< 1227967206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whtspc: nice
< 1227967219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a turing machine
< 1227967219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227967339 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno:cool! animation is indeed faster in flash than js
< 1227967344 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cool
< 1227967349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[s*nn*s*s]*[e*ww*e*e]*]
< 1227967353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a slight modification of my last one
< 1227967365 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ask js too much :)
< 1227967365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what it'll do when it gets to the edge
< 1227967372 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I for myself like the fact that cellpointer is at 0,0 at the start
< 1227967379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whtspc: ditto
< 1227967388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow
< 1227967389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[s*nn*s*s]*[e*ww*e*e]*]
< 1227967392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is amazinh
< 1227967395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it g ets to the end
< 1227967405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts obliterating everything DIAGONALLY
< 1227967414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it has no diagonal instructions, it's just the clashing of the two loops
< 1227967433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what'll happen when it drills the whole screen
< 1227967501 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whtspc: I believe that ideally it's an infinite grid and based the origin on that
< 1227967514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, wrapping is what makes some of the programs cool
< 1227967514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l
< 1227967531 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand
< 1227967537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo, the evil tyranny of the multiple pods has been destroyed, now it seems to be wondering about aimlessly for no reason
< 1227967555 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually not really a esolang-type, more a genart-type :)
< 1227967567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they overlap i'd say
< 1227967569 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, well, "it's just another brainfuck variant, boring..." huh? ;)
< 1227967580 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1227967583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: I stab you with a fork.
< 1227967586 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1227967603 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got to go, maybe catch you guys later
< 1227967617 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whtspc: it'd be nice to get it added to the wiki
< 1227967618 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :questions or suggestions at the tigsource-link?
< 1227967631 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I do that myself?
< 1227967646 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, better than letting someone else
< 1227967660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, just put it on the wiki :)
< 1227967663 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) Ok I trhought it's maybe rude to do
< 1227967665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches his program go
< 1227967676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nah, we add our own stuff to the wiki all the time, it's good for getting feedback
< 1227967687 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will! thanks
< 1227967689 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers
< 1227967694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[[n*e*]e*]*[[s*w*]w*]*]
< 1227967699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes a while to get properly started
< 1227967702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seems to be interesting past that
< 1227967715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1227967721 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227967728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh by
< 1227967729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1227967733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1227967735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he had to go
< 1227967741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, what this needs iis a bitmap->program thing, so that we can write e.g. worms
< 1227967745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that slither around and eat stuff
< 1227967748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a predefined map
< 1227967761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even a Snake AI :P
< 1227967844 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice one that last one
< 1227967851 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like... what will it do next?
< 1227967934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa.
< 1227967935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[se*e*e*e*e*s*s*s*s*w*w*w*w*n*n*n*n]*]
< 1227967938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty to the max
< 1227967987 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wormish :)
< 1227968170 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is nice too: http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=3710.msg110154#msg110154
< 1227968247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1227968265 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a scroller!
< 1227968268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i leave it on forever does it wrap around? :O
< 1227968277 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess so
< 1227968349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1227968421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: *[e*]*[s*[n*es*]*]
< 1227968474 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving line?
< 1227968484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving two lines :P
< 1227968650 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg
< 1227969196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[e*]*ssssss*[e*]*n*[[*ne*]*se*[*se*]*ne*]
< 1227969197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bouncy
< 1227970101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[ee*]*ss*]*nw*[[*nw*]*[*se*]*[*n*]*[*s*]*[*ne*]*[*sw*]*[*e*]*[*w*]*]
< 1227970112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :om nom nom nom nom
< 1227970120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot likey food
< 1227970126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets stuck :(
< 1227970317 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, paintfuck
< 1227971245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[e*]*[[e*]e]w*w*s*]*[*e*s*w*n*sese]
< 1227971805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[*n*s*e*w*s*e*s*e]swsw*[*n*e*s*w*n*w*n*w*]*]
< 1227972541 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I am back
< 1227972951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paintfuck is funnn
< 1227973031 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-150.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227973061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1227973824 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227977118 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227979120 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227979317 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Slereah_> So don't talk about that time you murdered that prostitute here.
< 1227979343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will try.
< 1227979364 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey oerjan, remember that time you murdered that prostitute?
< 1227979424 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to talk about it.
< 1227979446 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well played, oerjan, well played.
< 1227979531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that blood all over the place stuff can be a bit traumatic.
< 1227979680 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[e]*[*n]*[w]*[s]*]
< 1227979751 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, it gets stuck
< 1227979759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: It's pitch black.  You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
< 1227980013 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made it faster by iterating several times... it seems that Firefox has a lower bound on the ms in setTimeout
< 1227980138 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true of every operating system that doesn't call itself "realtime"
< 1227980163 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're only guaranteed a minimum sleep
< 1227980167 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a drawback, now raising the timeout makes it work "jerky"
< 1227980233 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1227980241 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: nice pattern for such simple rules :)
< 1227980253 0 :M0ny!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-64-203.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227980281 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better, *[[*e]*[*n]*[w]*[s]*] seems to generate mazes :)
< 1227980289 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd ones, though
< 1227980292 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having fun people?
< 1227980407 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is paintfuck?
< 1227980441 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a way to speed up the process
< 1227980475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: Yah.
< 1227980489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nesw move in that direction, * flips bit at that point, and [] do what you expect.
< 1227980495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flip bit = white or black in the display.
< 1227980516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: http://willhostforfood.com/access.php?fileid=43044 Interp.
< 1227980523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're on windows, willhostforfood.com/files3/7766096/pain.rar
< 1227980561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: do a langton's ant!
< 1227980576 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*barrel roll
< 1227980582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing
< 1227980611 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~icecube/tag/paintfuck/ <- that guy did a rule 110 automaton
< 1227980626 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reverses the polarity on Wine
< 1227980644 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of doing conway's game of life
< 1227980651 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing pain.rar is not actually the interpreter.
< 1227980660 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I don't think it's as well suited as I first thought
< 1227980662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: It is.
< 1227980663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extract it.
< 1227980666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It contains an exe.
< 1227980672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, for non-Windows:
< 1227980677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://willhostforfood.com/access.php?fileid=43044
< 1227980678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a flash file
< 1227980687 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, .rar is a compression format.
< 1227980689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Azstal: one char mod of yours - *[[e]*[*n]*[w]*[*s]*]
< 1227980746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, asztal
< 1227980835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, wanna see a spiral?
< 1227980840 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes please
< 1227980848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme type it out again
< 1227980871 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it would probably be hard to do langton's ant because it needs to keep state
< 1227980875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1227980880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make the squares 2x2
< 1227980886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and store the direction state in some of them
< 1227980887 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever
< 1227980887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess
< 1227980914 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying a different approach
< 1227980926 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep the state as the program's current position
< 1227980958 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard anyway
< 1227980983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Azstal: wn*[[n*]*s*s[w*]*e*e[s*]*n*n[e*]*w*w]
< 1227980987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fscks up on the last bit
< 1227981032 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227981047 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so paintfuck. i wish i wasn't too lazy to check it out.
< 1227981048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok try paintfuck
< 1227981059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1227981063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok:
< 1227981068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paintfuck in one line:
< 1227981073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nesw, move pointer one that directio
< 1227981073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n
< 1227981079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* flip pixel at direction white/black
< 1227981080 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah k
< 1227981082 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1227981083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] loop while black
< 1227981085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada.
< 1227981086 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okily
< 1227981090 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1227981103 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's it, i'm almost impressed
< 1227981107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: interp: http://willhostforfood.com/files3/7766096/pain.rar
< 1227981161 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still randomly modifying this one and it's generating some weird stuff: *[[*e]*[*n]*[w*]*[*s]*]
< 1227981222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wn*[[n*]*s[w*]*e*e[s*]*n*n[e*]*w]
< 1227981224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a kinda spiral
< 1227981228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that messes itself up
< 1227981234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :into many little spirals
< 1227981268 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: I wouldn't be one bit surprised if that one were Turing-complete.
< 1227981286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a few look like turing machines
< 1227981293 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they?
< 1227981293 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like a computer, indeed.
< 1227981294 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee, boolfuck without IO can be trivially imbedded into it not?  so TC.
< 1227981303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah
< 1227981307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's based on smallfuck
< 1227981308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1227981312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the canvas is finite
< 1227981313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very finite
< 1227981315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wrapping
< 1227981317 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1227981320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's needed for most of the drawing trix
< 1227981361 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to make the canvas bigger?
< 1227981367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: No.
< 1227981372 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is in the javascript one
< 1227981372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on the fast flash interp
< 1227981372 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay.
< 1227981381 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/esoteric/paintfuck/paintfuck.php
< 1227981395 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This needs to be compiled, you know.
< 1227981412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asz, that one is slow
< 1227981449 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did get a lot faster when it was modified to get around setTimeout's restrictions
< 1227981461 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried the .exe, though
< 1227981478 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err.
< 1227981485 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a simple language with addressable memory?
< 1227981488 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is [] loop while white or while black?
< 1227981495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the .exe/.swf is the best
< 1227981498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: for the swf, while white
< 1227981503 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: subleq?
< 1227981509 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: while black
< 1227981510 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: exe
< 1227981519 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1227981533 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused
< 1227981551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno's interp changes it
< 1227981552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bu
< 1227981552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1227981554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for .exe
< 1227981556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while black
< 1227981559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1227981560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while WHITE
< 1227981561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1227981562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 = white
< 1227981564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 = black
< 1227981569 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd prefer one where background color is true.
< 1227981580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: why? brainfuck starts off all 0
< 1227981581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on tape
< 1227981592 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: I'm not sure what package provides 'reset' :P
< 1227981596 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: would just happen to work better for my purpose.
< 1227981605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: just white out t he screen:
< 1227981609 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: huh?
< 1227981610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[s[e]*]
< 1227981612 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, guess i should
< 1227981631 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: just sprinkle some * around the loop ends, i think?
< 1227981635 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nov 29 05:13:53 <pgimeno>       GregorR: What do you do in the console when your local characters are not echoed? I used "reset" in that case but there's no "reset" in bin/
< 1227981647 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that, I forgot :)
< 1227981661 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[* and *]* should work like [ and ] but with reversed polarity.  i think.
< 1227981668 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1227981668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah
< 1227981673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REVERSED POLAARITYYYYYYYYYYY
< 1227981679 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe that.
< 1227981684 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Subleq will work for my purposes.
< 1227981685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1227981685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why no
< 1227981687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1227981702 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/reset
< 1227981702 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: ncurses-bin: /usr/bin/reset
< 1227981705 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ has a side-effect if you jump?
< 1227981710 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there may be something wrong if it moves...
< 1227981711 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1227981714 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*]*
< 1227981716 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i believe
< 1227981734 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: zomg, it's in ncurses? So then I've just been sitting on it :P
< 1227981738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks it's ok
< 1227981738 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I can add that to the env, easy.
< 1227981752 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227981763 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we need to figure out a reasonably fast way to compile Subleq into Paintfuck.
< 1227981790 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the concept rather painful to contemplate.
< 1227981820 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly remembers his idea for a Compiler monad in Haskell
< 1227981852 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1227981862 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, if you guys save the page locally, you can modify the animstep() function to add more lines and multiply the speed further
< 1227981871 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1227981885 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the swf nicer, the exe can't be stopped?
< 1227981900 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if you make it infloop, you can't stop it
< 1227981909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: the swf is the exe
< 1227981910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1227981911 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infloop without io it is
< 1227981912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to stop
< 1227981914 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that is
< 1227981914 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: empty the program box and hit run?
< 1227981915 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see?
< 1227981916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace the code section with nothing
< 1227981917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and press run
< 1227981924 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't, it crashed.
< 1227981928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm
< 1227981930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't
< 1227981932 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1227981940 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abort the script, and the program didn't close
< 1227981945 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay thanks flash that was nice of you
< 1227981966 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what happens on *[] in your end?
< 1227981976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah that fails
< 1227981978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1227981980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] works
< 1227981981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1227981982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1227981985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other infloops work
< 1227982000 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes if they have io.
< 1227982021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do
< 1227982023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[*]
< 1227982038 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't want to look at the io flickering when i'm coding.
< 1227982046 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't want to have to remove the code and put it back all the time
< 1227982053 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not a nice coding experience
< 1227982072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok:
< 1227982075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just remove all the code
< 1227982075 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[*] <- PARTY HARD
< 1227982077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put nothing in
< 1227982080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and run
< 1227982081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then
< 1227982098 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes yes.
< 1227982279 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subleq has a finite number of infinite registers; Paintfuck has a 2D infinite grid of finite cells.
< 1227982357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1227982362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paintfuck grid is finite
< 1227982367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and small
< 1227982395 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paintfuck Infinite Edition has a 2D infinite grid of finite cells.
< 1227982402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227982405 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: subleq has infinite number of cells
< 1227982417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're confusing with minsky machine
< 1227982531 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: what oerjan said.
< 1227982533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2D might help, you can store subleq cells as parallel rows
< 1227982548 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but better formatted
< 1227982562 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just plain better said.
< 1227982568 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's self-modifying.
< 1227982570 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1227982585 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so an infinite number of infinite registers.
< 1227982728 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only need one :P
< 1227982758 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so?
< 1227982767 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're interchangeable
< 1227982781 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit hard to believe you can do with just one instruction
< 1227982787 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1227982791 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with just one third of an instruction
< 1227982801 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: I meant one of the "infinity"s
< 1227982820 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few infinitely-large numbers can mimick an infinite number of registers
< 1227982823 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i know what you meant
< 1227982839 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop treating me like a child and start treating me like the asshole i am!
< 1227983566 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glaaaaahhhh i want a step-by-step
< 1227983607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: there's one on pgimeonroneroenr's
< 1227983626 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1227983639 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Join the Damnation now !"
< 1227984073 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was considering to add a little trace
< 1227984156 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but was lazy :P
< 1227984353 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-87-125.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227984359 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227984541 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, did rule 110, accidentally pressed c instead of ctrl+x, and removed everything just before final test \o/
< 1227984579 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i get to do it again!!
< 1227984581 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl-z
< 1227984588 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: yeah that doesn't work.
< 1227984609 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you're in that flash app not a textarea
< 1227984632 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, i figured it's too trivial to require anything that fancy
< 1227984660 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's quite verbose as i'm not doing it in a very clever way, just copying the rule pretty straightforwardly
< 1227984685 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
< 1227984725 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[e]*[n]*[w]*[*s]*] starts off moving in a rather complicated manner.
< 1227984788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i ok
< 1227984789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok:
< 1227984792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use ctrl-z
< 1227984831 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i can also use ctrl-r for a nop.
< 1227984834 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not an undo
< 1227984845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for me
< 1227984850 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky you.
< 1227985003 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[e]*[*n]*[*w]*[s*]*] is really slow.
< 1227985054 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it actually counts in binary up to a power of 2 every once in a while.
< 1227985118 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. So, um, we'll only ever be able to see this do something *else* if we do some dramatic optimization.
< 1227985141 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, did you know that incrementing something until it reaches a certain value is the same as setting it to that value?
< 1227985155 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, um, tell the interpreter that. :-P
< 1227985164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1227985209 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This program is counting in binary. Someone ought to find a way to make it skip that part.
< 1227985407 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't feel like thinking, how should 110 start
< 1227985425 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By toggling a single cell, I think.
< 1227985449 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric: Great Thinkers who Don't.
< 1227985455 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversed, mine is now
< 1227985455 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1227985458 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11
< 1227985462 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :111
< 1227985464 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1011
< 1227985467 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11111
< 1227985472 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100011
< 1227985474 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1100111
< 1227985478 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct?
< 1227985505 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so.
< 1227985516 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1227985516 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i have 110
< 1227985549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you have no 010 in there
< 1227985563 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incorrect?
< 1227985566 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or pun?
< 1227985581 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means not all possibilities were exhausted, so give us more rows.
< 1227985590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: 110 is done
< 1227985591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has been done
< 1227985606 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's not really a surprise, i just made it.
< 1227985609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227985612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big is it
< 1227985617 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite.
< 1227985632 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Police say two handguns recovered at the scene indicate the two men shot each other. No one else in the packed store was killed or injured during the melee.
< 1227985639 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that technically a ranged attack?
< 1227985641 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p562634344.txt
< 1227985645 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of that is just for clarity
< 1227985649 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could take more than half out
< 1227985663 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, it'd still be pretty bloated, i didn't really try, i'm so goddamn tired atm
< 1227985677 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_maybe_ they just beat each other with the guns
< 1227985726 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of that is just copying things around and nulling parts of the screen, which i could easily do in the actual logic, that's just simpler to read.
< 1227985735 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it says "shot each other", though.
< 1227985744 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They must have poked each other with their guns as they shot each other.
< 1227985755 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how big is the other one then?
< 1227985765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: few pages
< 1227985767 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i consider that a trivial task, just wanted to see what it looks like
< 1227985771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soo
< 1227985772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours is tiny
< 1227985781 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like you told me no use writing a factorial in haskell because someone did that already.
< 1227985810 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. the other one was just written by a noob.
< 1227985831 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1227985832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: you _have_ seen http://www.willamette.edu/~fruehr/haskell/evolution.html haven't you? :D
< 1227985853 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to write a threaded, GADT-using factorial in Haskell, but then realized the operations couldn't be defined recursively, as only one copy of each could be running at once.
< 1227985858 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh i'm not sure how to make that code *longer*, that may require more thinking than making it smaller
< 1227985884 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1227985889 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i dropped off the train at some point. but that was awesome otherwise
< 1227985899 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so yes, or at least i tried
< 1227985906 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and good point, i guess *it's been done* :)
< 1227986030 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: can i see the other 110?
< 1227986044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its in the logs
< 1227986061 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::<
< 1227986065 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my one weakness!
< 1227986068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: amazing.awesome.com
< 1227986169 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh i can't find it too hard
< 1227986255 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i think i should go
< 1227986257 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1227986258 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :away
< 1227986260 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off irc
< 1227986261 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1227986262 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know
< 1227986267 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do other stuff
< 1227986272 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that sound?
< 1227986281 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~icecube/tag/paintfuck/
< 1227986329 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's quite well-spaced, i doubt it's actually that much longer than mine.
< 1227986331 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION counts!
< 1227986367 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders Subleq in Paintfuck
< 1227986379 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i can't count, i can't open my python.
< 1227986467 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you have rows and columns, and each column is one memory address, and numbers are stored in binary or something. Finite amounts of information can be tossed under it all.
< 1227986528 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders Paintfuck in Subleq
< 1227986625 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each Paintfuck column can be two "tapes", each represented by two memory addresses. Manipulating the tapes ought to be easy enough.
< 1227986661 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you figure out how to optimize it enough that Paintfuck-in-Subleq-in-Paintfuck and Subleq-in-Paintfuck-in-Subleq don't slow things.
< 1227986691 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is really difficult.
< 1227986694 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol please someone calculate the number of instructions in the two 110's so i can be at peace... :D
< 1227986713 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: do you have the two 110s in your possession?
< 1227986718 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ded.johnmarkkearney.com/~locus/automata4.txt
< 1227986733 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p562634344.txt
< 1227986761 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just remove whitespace and count characters, that's just impossible in notepad/wordpad
< 1227986813 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm bruteforcing something in python for the second day now, and only one python IDLE instance can be open at once :d
< 1227986823 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, sometimes only one can
< 1227986830 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when that happens i'd have to close it
< 1227986833 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the computation would die
< 1227986923 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1227986935 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: i assume you accepted the challenge?
< 1227987009 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's not like it takes more than 20 seconds
< 1227987029 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you have python or an equivalent thingie.
< 1227987065 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do a web search for "javascript character count".
< 1227987082 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have one on vjn.fi, but i'm not sure whether that counts newlines
< 1227987094 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: apparently, his is 951 while yours is 236
< 1227987099 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't trust this
< 1227987103 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: okay thanks
< 1227987105 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmhmm?
< 1227987112 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look like 236 to me
< 1227987162 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1227987174 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a scripting language guy here..? :P
< 1227987189 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should i just trust you
< 1227987195 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you have gotten it wrong
< 1227987201 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way you could
< 1227987202 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably is right
< 1227987204 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :str.bytes.count{|c| "news*[]".index c.chr}
< 1227987237 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rubby?
< 1227987244 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1227987257 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to like it
< 1227987257 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a filter for what to count?
< 1227987259 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the block
< 1227987262 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1227987275 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get the index thing.
< 1227987300 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explainnnn
< 1227987302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :236 is right
< 1227987306 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"abc".index 'b' returns 1
< 1227987316 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it returns nil if it wasn't there
< 1227987330 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh
< 1227987342 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the c.chr is the thing that's searched in the array.
< 1227987345 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 0 is true
< 1227987362 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay yeah i need a moment to get into ruby, never really having programmed in it.
< 1227987391 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently trying to get out of ruby
< 1227987392 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except once did something with ehird's bot, but maybe i just fixed his code and didn't write my own don't remember)
< 1227987410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other is 918
< 1227987437 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... oh, I included the header
< 1227987441 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to do that for python, mainly because programming has lost its spark, because everything is so goddamn trivial in python.
< 1227987447 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah okay
< 1227987461 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well k it's not that much longer then
< 1227987474 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i can think of a way to get it at all longer
< 1227987492 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that's a skill you lose with time
< 1227987500 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, now, *doing* time
< 1227987500 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1227990090 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1227993726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: z
< 1227994080 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1227995129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have changed the release model so that instead of focusing on quality and features our release is now defined by timeliness and features. Quality is not regarded to be that important.
< 1227995130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- MySQL team
< 1227995181 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quality is just the retarded stepdad of quantity
< 1227995183 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :food ->
< 1227997593 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-30.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1227999381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so guys
< 1227999383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypothetically
< 1227999390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you put a cd in a slit-drive thingy
< 1227999393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wrong way
< 1227999396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it won't come out
< 1227999398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you do
< 1227999655 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look for a little hole next to the slit drive. If there's one, I stick a paper clip in it.
< 1227999668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none.
< 1227999705 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are fuzzy things at the top and bottom, right?
< 1227999723 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prop them apart and see if you can see your CD.
< 1227999762 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure you don't lose anything into the drive.
< 1227999768 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be expensive of you.
< 1227999774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too close together, but I know the cd is there.
< 1227999777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I poked it with another CD.)
< 1227999803 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Just grab it and pull it out.
< 1227999808 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume your fingers are paper-thin.
< 1227999812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't reach in.
< 1227999813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1227999838 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use... hmm, I think there are very thin grabber devices, but I'm not sure what they're called.
< 1227999849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah um I dont'exactly have em to hand.
< 1227999853 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something a lot like tweezers.
< 1227999890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. http://guides.macrumors.com/Force_Eject_a_Stuck_CD_or_DVD
< 1227999940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't work
< 1227999989 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've tried everything on the page?
< 1228000011 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use tweezers, then.
< 1228000015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the rebooting shit
< 1228000036 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, try the rebooting shit.
< 1228000058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a last resort.
< 1228000059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather not, you see.
< 1228000073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha.
< 1228000076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wsa my damn virtual machine!
< 1228000080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid Parallels.
< 1228000117 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your last resort ought to be using custom-made tools to get it out.
< 1228000156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1228000165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last resort: open the computer and yank it out.
< 1228000173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's stuck, smash it.
< 1228000179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that breaks the disc drive, get a new one.
< 1228000183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can't, get a new computer.
< 1228000188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can't afford one, become a hermit.
< 1228000222 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only do that if you can't use custom-made tools to get it out.
< 1228000237 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I've always found secular asceticism admirable.
< 1228000253 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, I found it admirable from the moment I read the Wikipedia article titled "Asceticism".
< 1228000292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm such a technojunkie, never could do that :D
< 1228000837 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1228001423 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228002455 0 :LinuS!n=LinuS@net-93-145-217-119.t2.dsl.vodafone.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228002661 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd's are so yesterdays newspapers.
< 1228002679 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: hello
< 1228002730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: internet connections are not really fast enough to use them for everything :P
< 1228002732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usb stix, sure
< 1228002778 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: you don't by any chance know a nice book for understanding curry-howard? i'm not getting there from the wp page, and i like to get my book suggestions from humans.
< 1228002785 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sure is such a strong word
< 1228002794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: wat?
< 1228002796 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what does it really mean? i mean is it really a word, even
< 1228002798 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure
< 1228002801 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd think it is
< 1228002804 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't it be
< 1228002808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up oklokok
< 1228002809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1228002820 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear have i said something uneasifying?!?!?!?
< 1228002862 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1228002870 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scratch all that, i made no sense
< 1228002881 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean until the warrie highlight, that was proper business.
< 1228002938 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, oerjan probably reads at least the highlight parts of logs, so, oerjan, see above
< 1228003050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: let's make paintfuck programs
< 1228003126 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: ello.
< 1228003142 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to understand the Curry-Howard isomorphism?
< 1228003147 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1228003161 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders his various definitions of "understand"
< 1228003163 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because it sounds like a trivial concept, but i have no idea about the specifics.
< 1228003183 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you tell me what the Curry-Howard isomorphism is?
< 1228003194 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's some kinda correspondence.
< 1228003196 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a question, not a request-because-I-don't-know.
< 1228003209 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1228003226 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't actually read about it, nor do i know anything about it.
< 1228003239 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll tell you, then.
< 1228003246 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228003249 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that it's some kinda natural correspondence between theorems and programs' types and such somethings yes.
< 1228003257 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: sure, except not right now... :P
< 1228003270 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll tell you later, then?
< 1228003277 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's okay
< 1228003298 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me when you want me to tell you, I guess.
< 1228003314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: businession list for b nomic
< 1228003315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1228003329 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. will probably ask in pm unless you have some moral oblication to that.
< 1228003335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you make up a new name every time
< 1228003339 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you finally noticed. I've had it set that way for years. :-)
< 1228003358 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You finally noticed" meaning "you're the first one to notice".
< 1228003360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: I remember when you registered to "discussion list for B Nomic <spoon-business@nomic.net>"
< 1228003372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember being really confused.
< 1228003395 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because Gmail filled in "discussion list for B Nomic" <spoon-discuss@nomic.net>, and I replaced the "discuss" with "business".
< 1228003400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1228003401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1228003406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: set a-b as "business list for B Nomic"
< 1228003408 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since that seemed to cause confusion, I also replaced the other "discuss" with "business".
< 1228003409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and s-b as "Agora Business"
< 1228003480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oklokok
< 1228003485 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-b is "B Nomic list for Agora", s-b is "B Nomic list for Spoon", a-d is "discussion list for Agora", and s-d is "discussion list for Spoon".
< 1228003485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's write game of life in paintfuck
< 1228003487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't bee hard
< 1228003487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be
< 1228003494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: no, that's easily spottable
< 1228003498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it so that people are confused
< 1228003499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about:
< 1228003504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-b = discussion list for B Nomic
< 1228003507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-d = business list for B Nomic
< 1228003510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s-b = Agora Discussion
< 1228003514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s-d = Agora Business
< 1228003534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: game of life can't be hard right?
< 1228003599 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure Game of Life wouldn't be hard.
< 1228003603 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be tedious, but not hard.
< 1228003622 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized that many puzzles are hard to do non-tediously.
< 1228003765 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[e]*[*n]*[*w]*[s*]*] is still running, by the way. I know exactly what it's going to do for about the next 2^40 steps, which is annoying, because I'd rather tell it than wait that long. Someone update that interpreter to let me alter memory by clicking on it.
< 1228003822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: Use pgimenos
< 1228003828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/esoteric/paintfuck/paintfuck.php
< 1228003833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can give it step count etc
< 1228003833 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1228003836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for animation it's slow
< 1228003838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so use the flash one
< 1228003876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also warrie
< 1228003877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that one
< 1228003883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a program that puts the memory in the right state
< 1228003885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use the program
< 1228004049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: Doesn't it just sit there after a while?
< 1228004116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[e*]*[*n]*[w*]*[s*]*] <- Machine-esque behaviour.
< 1228004127 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With pgimenos I can't click it to edit memory?
< 1228004132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1228004139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can set N = 100,000
< 1228004142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and press run/continue a lot
< 1228004151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, you could write a program to set the memory to how it should be from the c urrent state
< 1228004151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run it
< 1228004153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then run your program
< 1228004167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[e*]*[*n]*[w*]*[s*]*] sure does seem to have a plan.
< 1228004207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, it's getting rid of its bars.
< 1228004227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha it's like it's building a house
< 1228004232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: Watch *[[e*]*[*n]*[w*]*[s*]*] in the flash interp
< 1228004311 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow.
< 1228004352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I think it might be turing comelpt
< 1228004357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks it after a while.
< 1228004372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It moves about lines and bashes them into things then weaves and unweaves stuff transforming it over time.
< 1228004514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny how one basic program structure, only changing the placing of *s and the ordering of the items
< 1228004517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can produce so many combinations
< 1228004519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of which look TC
< 1228004549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[e*]*[*n]*[w*]*[*s]*]
< 1228004613 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eliot Hird on Solving the Halting Problem Using Visual Approximations of Turing Completeness
< 1228004623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: lol wat
< 1228004625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also *Elliott
< 1228004800 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell was just being modest, ehird.
< 1228004800 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228004825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[e]*[n]*[w*]*[*s]*]
< 1228004831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems interesting, at least.
< 1228004834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty, certainly.
< 1228005255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[e*e*]*[n*]*[ww*]*[*s]*] it's prodding at memory :O
< 1228005270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using an increasing-height stick XD
< 1228005382 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: for JSMIPS, i recommend that you allow it to idle a little; firefox gave me the "unresponsive script" warning 4 times when i was loading vim. also, when do you think you'll have write support working?
< 1228005397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does idle
< 1228005403 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: write works ... it writes to memory ^^
< 1228005404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setTimeout(function () { this.step() }, 0)
< 1228005410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know because i wrote that line :\
< 1228005435 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what's the problem with the "Operation not supported" thing in vim?
< 1228005447 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Non-existent on my system :P
< 1228005463 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what operation is it supposed to be?
< 1228005471 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? What are you talking about?
< 1228005482 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe it to be a syscall
< 1228005488 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an unimplemented one
< 1228005491 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do you see this message?
< 1228005493 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONTEXT, CONTEXT
< 1228005498 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i open vim
< 1228005507 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just before i start working on a file
< 1228005514 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X
< 1228005518 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the ACTUAL MESSAGE PRODUCED
< 1228005551 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was number 296, something about seeking in a swap file, and operation not supported.
< 1228005587 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Y'know, I fixed the copy/paste problem ... you can copy and paste.
< 1228005600 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: it got cleared though >_>
< 1228005608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO DO IT AGAIN
< 1228005610 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it took at least 5 minutes to load vim
< 1228005614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1228005616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't
< 1228005619 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Your compute is slow, isn't it :P
< 1228005621 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*computer
< 1228005632 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.44GHz AMD Athlon XP 1900 single-core?
< 1228005637 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha
< 1228005641 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes ~30 seconds here.
< 1228005657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Wow that's awful
< 1228005658 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme guess, Firefox 1? :P
< 1228005662 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox 2
< 1228005668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Upgrade you moron.
< 1228005669 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme guess, firefox 3.1?
< 1228005676 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are we loading vim in 30 seconds?
< 1228005678 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup :)
< 1228005683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's absolutely no reason to use ff2.
< 1228005684 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox 3 has much faster JS support.
< 1228005686 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TraceMonkey
< 1228005695 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: http://codu.org/jsmips/
< 1228005695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from irrational and unfounded hatred of the awesomebar
< 1228005697 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it's called
< 1228005710 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: I'm aware :P
< 1228005736 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do happen to have firefox 3 as well, but that's a windows version, and i've been lazy
< 1228005750 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but so's your face.
< 1228005767 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevertheless, wine still works
< 1228005772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: welp, upgrade or suffer.
< 1228005789 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AT THE HANDS OF EHIRD
< 1228005794 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: fun with compiling 30MB of sources...
< 1228005822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: You're so hardcore, you compile everything from source!
< 1228005832 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah, but so's your face.
< 1228005835 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is working on Nethack now.
< 1228005838 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i have freebsd.
< 1228005840 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nethack = best use of JSMIPS EVAR
< 1228005851 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: YES :D :D :D =D =D =D =D
< 1228005865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: I wish I could be as cool as you! Compiling everything! Oh! You're so 1337! What do you mean, pointless? Unf unf unf unf.
< 1228005868 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer worthwhile things, like trying to get permission to do something I'm allowed to do anyway.
< 1228005869 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Firebug doesn't work as well with Firefox 3 :(
< 1228005887 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get w3m running so we can run jsmips in it
< 1228005896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes it does
< 1228005897 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, when i say that it takes 5 minutes to load, that's how long it takes to get to the first screen
< 1228005900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main devs use ff3.
< 1228005916 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even works fine with the 3.1 nightlies too
< 1228005951 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :296: Seek error in swap file: Operation not supported
< 1228006020 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm.
< 1228006076 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a few keystrokes you may want to convert
< 1228006083 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure why insert gives me a dash
< 1228006089 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but backspace gives 0x08
< 1228006092 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^H)
< 1228006101 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would probably work better with 0x7F
< 1228006119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i put that in
< 1228006121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1228006125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did the fancy input code
< 1228006162 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :munomanimuniminimunani
< 1228006181 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is compiling firefox 3.0.4
< 1228006206 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i do that while copying across all the freebsd 7.1-BETA2 files?
< 1228006218 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses 7.1-PRERELEASE
< 1228006254 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# factor 543823
< 1228006256 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0
< 1228006257 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch!
< 1228006267 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :543823 is a number
< 1228006290 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact you can prove by induction that all numbers are numbers
< 1228006308 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n <=> n
< 1228006348 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox-3.0.4-source.tar.bz2 is 35MB
< 1228006364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: use a fcking binary >_<
< 1228006372 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: that's circular logic......
< 1228006373 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I fancied up the input code more.
< 1228006374 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: this is freebsd.
< 1228006379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: And?
< 1228006388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have to be a retard to use FreeBSD?
< 1228006390 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Previously it only accepted ASCII, now it does control codes etc (the software just doesn't interpret them usefully ;) )
< 1228006395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you required to compile all your own binaries?
< 1228006397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For no good reason?
< 1228006398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonderful.
< 1228006410 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: unless you want to get them from packages
< 1228006417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why wouldn't you.
< 1228006421 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case you'd yell at me for getting old crap
< 1228006423 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop making sense, it's very late and you should be saying random nonsense like meeeeeee
< 1228006431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Woo! FreeBSD!
< 1228006435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good at sucking.
< 1228006436 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1228006440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION it's alte
< 1228006440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :late
< 1228006442 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what do you run?
< 1228006449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raw hardware
< 1228006452 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: The air was religion with suppressed excitement!
< 1228006452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am uberleet
< 1228006459 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, really
< 1228006471 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you don't get binaries for linux unless you get them from your "vendor"
< 1228006479 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it's just stupid
< 1228006482 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes GregorR how about a nice bowl of eggs on top of that ;)
< 1228006500 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe sleep?!?? ->'
< 1228006508 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Puzzi. S�, parlo proprio con te. Puzzi."
< 1228006513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: so why does your 'vendor' suck
< 1228006515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1228006550 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: my "vendor" supplies me with very fresh ports scripts, and all i have to do is fetch them
< 1228006552 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get man to work without consuming massive amounts of RAM :(
< 1228006567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: and spend 6345345 hours compiling them for no game
< 1228006568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooooooo
< 1228006571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your vendor sucks.
< 1228006597 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it actually compiles reasonably fast.
< 1228006609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still needless.
< 1228006623 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For anybody who didn't get my reference, you need to watch this: http://brothersmcleod.co.uk/films/watch/23
< 1228006639 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you love binaries, then get your sad ass back on windows.
< 1228006651 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because binaries are acceptable on windows.
< 1228006691 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freebsd has a low memory footprint, btw
< 1228006728 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if you've used freebsd before, their newest scheduler works really really well
< 1228006736 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn*
< 1228006839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Go back to windows! Binaries are not acceptable because... because I say so!
< 1228006840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raaar!
< 1228006882 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: windows is not acceptable because it's an underpackaged antifeatured flaming pile of dogshit
< 1228006896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you've explained why Windows is not acceptable.
< 1228006902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now explain why binaries aren't. Without changing the subject.
< 1228006906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you've done about 3 times already.
< 1228006953 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if someone gives you a binary, and you don't have the right libc, it shits itself.
< 1228006967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought your vendor was meant to do it?
< 1228006969 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas if someone gives you the source, you can actually get it to link correctly
< 1228006972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, just like your vendor has to maintain your portfiles.
< 1228007000 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your vendor actually ensures that the binaries you get actually work on your system.
< 1228007016 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn*
< 1228007028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're saying your vendor doesn't test its portfiles? Neato. Sounds stable. I'm going now.
< 1228007039 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, my vendor does.
< 1228007042 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn*
< 1228007043 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn*
< 1228007043 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn*
< 1228007044 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn*
< 1228007046 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn*
< 1228007048 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn*
< 1228007049 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(                )
< 1228007054 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, make that
< 1228007056 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X(                )
< 1228007057 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we stop with the OS/distro wars already, yeesh
< 1228007061 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k.
< 1228007071 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[e*s*]*[n*w*]*[e*n]*[*s*w]*]
< 1228007079 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ what is that stuff, btw?
< 1228007083 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: That made my brain hurt :P
< 1228007104 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like a 2d brainfuck?
< 1228007112 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/brain/small/
< 1228007113 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully I'm not trying to make actual programs in it, just pretty patterns
< 1228007121 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1228007126 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay.
< 1228007166 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty trivial to program in
< 1228007221 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a couple of BF extensions i like: "if true", and "while false".
< 1228007232 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAME
< 1228007236 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that shouldn't be so hard to fix up in a 1-bit version.
< 1228007283 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes those are pretty lame
< 1228007298 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saves on memory
< 1228007326 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in a 1-bit version, "while false" is pretty pointless.
< 1228007341 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{...} = *[* ... *]*
< 1228007386 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, i prefer befunge to bf.
< 1228007398 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't
< 1228007431 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge is probably one of the most practical esolangs
< 1228007437 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, befunge-98, that is
< 1228007455 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they all say
< 1228007458 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but befunge-93 is still pretty practical, if you remove the board size limit
< 1228007767 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1228010023 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1228010046 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.132 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228010077 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it working: http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/esoteric/paintfuck/paintfuck-langton.pfk
< 1228010200 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs 128x128 to see the repeated pattern at work
< 1228010285 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay langton's ant \o/
< 1228010642 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# ./hexagrid.rb
< 1228010642 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"48656C6C6F20576F726C6421"
< 1228010642 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello World!"
< 1228010653 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another one bites the dust
< 1228010990 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason loading a 2MB file temporarily takes 2GB of memory X_X
< 1228011242 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you storing the values?
< 1228011316 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes up 2GB just in the process of DOWNLOADING it, before I've processed it at all. It's just storing a base64-enc'd string at that piont.
< 1228011318 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*point
< 1228011437 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird.
< 1228011452 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, i have two native versions of firefox now \o/
< 1228011462 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when i switch between them, it acts like i've upgraded
< 1228011474 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when going from 3 -> 2
< 1228011491 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1228011689 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, what do you use as a MIPS compiler?>
< 1228011836 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to ls -l, /bin/vim is about 4MB
< 1228011854 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here, it takes up roughly 200MB to look at it
< 1228011900 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once it's cached, it uses up about 150MB
< 1228011907 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1228011919 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 200MB to look, when cached it'd take up about 100MB
< 1228011948 0 :cathyal!n=cathy@unaffiliated/cathyal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228011964 0 :cathyal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone whose good with functional programming languages
< 1228012011 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways: 296: Seek error in swap file write: Not supported
< 1228012012 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :303: Unable to open swap file for "[No Name]", recovery impossible
< 1228012012 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ress ENTER or type command to continue
< 1228012021 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cathyal: like what?
< 1228012051 0 :cathyal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAskell, scala, etc
< 1228012134 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, i don't do any of those
< 1228012156 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've worked with perl, python, php, lua, javascript
< 1228012175 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's C, various types of ASM, various types of BASIC
< 1228012204 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm familiar with functional languages.
< 1228012256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now is the time for a new-kernel-reboot. See ya in 2.6.26-land.
< 1228012264 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thanks for reminding me
< 1228012267 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to install
< 1228012315 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i'll be in 7.1-BETA2-land
< 1228012335 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which includes part of the userland, too
< 1228012348 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when did *you* upgrade your userland?
< 1228012482 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, here's a uname -a for comparison
< 1228012485 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeBSD roflcopter.mshome 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #3: Sun Oct 19 10:56:35 NZDT 2008     root@roflcopter.mshome:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386
< 1228012506 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still messing around with man pages
< 1228012522 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, installing kernel
< 1228012536 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap, i'm going to have to recompile my graphics drivers
< 1228012693 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, rebooting
< 1228012695 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I'm a thaasophobic."
< 1228012812 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228012860 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeBSD roflcopter.mshome 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #4: Sat Nov 29 16:08:06 NZDT 2008     ben@roflcopter.mshome:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386
< 1228012875 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i'm gutted it's still called 7.1-PRERELEASE
< 1228012881 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can tell you, it's definitely an upgrade
< 1228012884 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, slightly
< 1228012894 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a fair amount of files were downloaded
< 1228012979 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 148 (No route to host)
< 1228014176 0 :cathyal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :
< 1228015124 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: mind if I delete the JayCampbell page from the main articles? the right name should be your full name anyway...
< 1228015323 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do, my User:JayCampbell page is what i'm using now
< 1228015334 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to delete JayCampbell but wasn't allowed
< 1228015755 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want me to delete the user talk page as well?
< 1228017329 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :booya
< 1228017337 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got an interpreter running for http://esolangs.org/wiki/WALP
< 1228017365 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using unix-clear-as-poor-mans-video-redisplay
< 1228017947 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1228017961 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228018793 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :posted
< 1228018799 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, write Hello World
< 1228018874 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys
< 1228018901 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how some languages are lazy in evaluating conditional bodies?
< 1228018931 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f'rinstance all the scripting languages
< 1228018945 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose. i know some do, i dont know about all, but ok
< 1228018947 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway :P
< 1228018960 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any languages that dont even /parse/ until they need to?
< 1228018977 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shore
< 1228018980 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uh
< 1228019031 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple basic
< 1228019036 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesssssss
< 1228019129 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you /can/ do that several ways in any reflective language
< 1228019143 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't think of a production language that's lazy parse
< 1228019987 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/ThaM <-- when poping from an empty stack, should the program crash or give a constant (i.e. zero)?
< 1228020021 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd personally go with giving a constant
< 1228021591 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r01jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228021672 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the constant can't be normal data
< 1228022343 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..."
< 1228023466 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My newest discovery: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Schrodilang
< 1228025596 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-90-122.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228025624 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | o rly HABEEB IT
< 1228026149 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228026480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklokok> well, oerjan probably reads at least the highlight parts of logs, so, oerjan, see above
< 1228026487 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're on to me.
< 1228026540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i haven't read any books on curry-howard.  i just sort of absorb it through osmosis.  maybe.
< 1228026593 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes he is probably the only one awake
< 1228026609 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sunday mornings are like that.
< 1228026647 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you are alone, oerjan
< 1228026651 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it feel?
< 1228026670 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awful
< 1228026677 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a moment...
< 1228026740 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:JayCampbell/walp.rb
< 1228026762 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, can one not get a moment's peace in this channel?
< 1228026785 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bursting in like a herd of buffalo...
< 1228026800 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry buddy.
< 1228026809 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can't just leave you by yourself
< 1228026813 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God knows what you'd do.
< 1228026818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, that could be dangerous
< 1228029496 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<jayCampbell> i can't think of a production language that's lazy parse
< 1228029506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems rather counterproductive :D
< 1228029565 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, INTERCAL may be lazy parse, parse errors don't apply unless the command is actually run
< 1228029585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the compilers obviously parse in advance anyway
< 1228029643 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1228029747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<GregorR> My newest discovery: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Schrodilang
< 1228029782 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the programming language with a half-life
< 1228030020 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh.
< 1228030032 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuh?
< 1228030426 0 :whtspc!n=chatzill@dhcp-077-251-008-030.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228030471 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btnvwls?
< 1228030548 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1228030710 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you tell if a 2d language is turing complete
< 1228030728 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rhetorical
< 1228030752 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to figure out what else could be emulated in walp
< 1228031999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1228032000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228032357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1228032466 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I'm a thaasophobic."
< 1228032740 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat"
< 1228034311 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/ThaM <-- made an interpreter :)
< 1228034955 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot
< 1228035097 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your piet-q interpreter is 404
< 1228035256 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and of cource a bf interpreter in thaM, http://www.vjn.fi/pb/p352643611.txt ... though values values in the cells are unlimited
< 1228035299 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did this today http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:JayCampbell/walp.rb  but don't know how to tell if it's turing complete
< 1228035311 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-252-201.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228035401 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one variable with a 255 max value, but with an expanded grid i can't rule out the possibility
< 1228035473 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i almost see how to parse bf with it
< 1228035474 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost
< 1228035605 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you represent the infinite tape?
< 1228035619 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/parse/convert bf to/
< 1228035668 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck if i know
< 1228035724 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might be able to simulate Very Large Numbers with branching and pool resets
< 1228035760 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm only mucking with this crap bastard of a befunge derivative because it was unimplemented
< 1228035960 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to implement jumpfuck or weave tomorrow
< 1228036279 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... In Weave, when operating on the global array; Does each thread have it's own memory pointer? If so, is that different from the pointer to the local array?
< 1228036428 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had to choose, I'd go with 'yes' on both questions.
< 1228037521 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1228038720 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any of you know his Mathematica?
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< 1228040100 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1228040963 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228040998 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-180.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228041553 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1228041556 0 :SimonRC_!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228041910 0 :lostgeek!n=lostgeek@unaffiliated/lostgeek JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228041920 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi!
< 1228041999 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello.
< 1228042003 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you lost?
< 1228042035 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.. I think I found the right place ;)
< 1228042075 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone on the PaintF*** thread mentioned this channel
< 1228042131 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here it is!
< 1228042137 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1228042183 0 :SimonRC_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1228042225 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what brings you to our fine channel?
< 1228042237 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you seeking to purchase some weed?
< 1228042239 0 :whtspc!n=chatzill@dhcp-077-251-008-030.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228042252 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Lostgeek
< 1228042260 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi whtspc
< 1228042269 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello dude.
< 1228042283 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get your  application starting
< 1228042286 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got to be dumb
< 1228042290 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1228042295 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try java -jar PaintFuck.jar
< 1228042341 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add some nice buttons to use it without the command line later
< 1228042802 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok sorry got it working
< 1228042807 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very nice
< 1228042811 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast :)
< 1228042836 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be faster. but this way I could even make it interactive so that you can add commands while it is running :)
< 1228042869 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm seeking for a matching ']‘ everytime I find a '[‘
< 1228042874 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to watch while it's running, so it doesn't have to be too fast
< 1228042890 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1228042927 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do it the other way round
< 1228042960 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1228042964 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait. right.
< 1228042975 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I find a '[' I add the pointer to a stack
< 1228042995 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if I need to jump out of the loop I seek the matching ']'
< 1228043024 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember my code well, when I was coding at 2 am ;)
< 1228043103 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1228043400 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very nice I hope you continue development
< 1228043411 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be cool to have input grid
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< 1228044110 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1228044145 0 :whtspc!n=chatzill@dhcp-077-251-008-030.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228044235 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1228044354 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1228044370 0 :lostgeek_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lostgeek
< 1228044421 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
< 1228045285 0 :Dewi!n=dewi@203-217-46-11.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228046515 0 :Mony!n=AssHole@AToulouse-258-1-64-203.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228046612 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop
< 1228046626 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOOOOOOOOM
< 1228046632 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEADSHOT
< 1228046641 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1228046864 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if some people missed this... http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/esoteric/paintfuck/paintfuck-langton.pfk
< 1228046906 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Langton's ant in Pfk
< 1228047071 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1228047257 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh... doesn't work with my interpreter...
< 1228047466 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1228047488 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah works
< 1228047735 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great :)
< 1228047757 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've prepared an uncommented version, I'll put it in the wiki
< 1228047816 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are "atomic statements"?
< 1228047995 0 :whtspc!n=chatzill@dhcp-077-251-008-030.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228048059 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atomic statements: someone called them that: [*] will always make current cell 0
< 1228048111 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the programmers term for it
< 1228048121 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see
< 1228048126 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[*]* makes current cell 1
< 1228048136 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always
< 1228048157 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, these are just common language constructions, I don't think it's necessary to mention them
< 1228048166 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind if I erase that part?
< 1228048172 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no go ahead
< 1228048225 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your timezone?
< 1228048233 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amsterdam
< 1228048242 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's now 13.30
< 1228048245 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then CET, I guess
< 1228048246 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1228048252 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1228048264 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the announcement time in the wiki in CET?
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< 1228048278 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1228048288 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC?
< 1228048289 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1228048304 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultra Turing Complete?
< 1228048309 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Megatron?
< 1228048316 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whtspc?
< 1228048332 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :November 30, 2008, 04:31:31 AM there at the moment
< 1228048333 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new release: http://lostgeek.de/doku.php/en/geekness/paintfuck/interpreter
< 1228048350 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. maybe I should include an jar file *g*
< 1228048354 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/an/a
< 1228048373 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know what time that is
< 1228048385 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there = the forum?
< 1228048482 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done.. :)
< 1228048513 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that would be PST
< 1228048551 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's San Diego, USA
< 1228048556 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be PST
< 1228049177 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great lostgeek, love generating at pixel-level
< 1228049192 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thumbs up
< 1228049205 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1228049219 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should I add next?
< 1228049233 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitmap export
< 1228049239 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1228049242 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeeeeeeeah
< 1228049245 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :animated gif export :P
< 1228049256 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh. gif in java *thinks*
< 1228049264 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if there are libraries for that
< 1228049286 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have a weather bot in this channel? need to know if its raining :D
< 1228049297 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hesitating whether to include Paintfuck in the 2D languages. I'd say it's not. Opinions?
< 1228049305 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any movie-format will do mpg, avi :)
< 1228049310 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll be my hero
< 1228049321 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see what I can do :)
< 1228049323 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not
< 1228049331 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh. lets try
< 1228049333 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.weather cologne
< 1228049338 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1228049348 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stands up and opens the window*
< 1228049361 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. raining
< 1228049379 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language itself isn't 2d
< 1228049403 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language makes creating 2d only easier
< 1228049407 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: do you have an userpage in the wiki?
< 1228049449 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a language with a 2d data storage. the language itself isn't 2d
< 1228049511 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whtspc: mind to give a real name?
< 1228049551 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually yes,
< 1228049556 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1228049558 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's Wouter Visser
< 1228049563 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may include it
< 1228049578 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, thanks
< 1228049586 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to you
< 1228049597 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIFCanvas is a small Javatm package (9.6 KB uncompressed) to display Animated GIF89a images.
< 1228049608 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :)
< 1228049623 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I need one to create them :)
< 1228049763 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, cleaned it up
< 1228050936 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: nice, I still need to learn alot :) thanks
< 1228051009 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
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< 1228051049 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]"
< 1228051248 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228051282 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :love Schr�dilang!!!
< 1228051306 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I misspelled it
< 1228051311 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schrodilang
< 1228051557 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I need one to create them :)
< 1228051559 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1228051568 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong terminal
< 1228052132 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong terminal
< 1228052135 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh
< 1228052140 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second
< 1228052170 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
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< 1228053168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi guys
< 1228053189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a disturbing amount of traffic here due  to paintfuck :p
< 1228053249 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1228053299 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, http://arxiv.org/abs/nlin/0306022v1
< 1228053409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION clicks. but if it's something amazing and on arxiv it's probably bullshit?
< 1228053441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1228053449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was proved in 2000
< 1228053450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1228053457 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's from 2000
< 1228053464 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just didn't know :)
< 1228053514 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually from 2002
< 1228053639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.project-euh.com/pong/?
< 1228053772 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1228054029 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that doesn't work :-(
< 1228054041 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the objects don't actually move
< 1228054053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does
< 1228054058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: adjust your browse
< 1228054060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r
< 1228054064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stopping scripts resize/move windows
< 1228054070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be somewhere in your settings
< 1228054357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: that langton...
< 1228054358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a god
< 1228054376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know all paintfuck needs?
< 1228054381 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not :)
< 1228054383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, from brainfuck to get a key from the keyboard.
< 1228054391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong, except playable
< 1228054398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you're actually playing on the program's memory
< 1228054400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := awesome
< 1228054453 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just touched by His Noodly Appendage
< 1228054460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1228054469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fsm approves of langton's ant
< 1228054474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: i don't see it tracking state
< 1228054480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it in the actual "head"
< 1228054482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. too quick to see it
< 1228054485 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1228054490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1228054490 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step to see it
< 1228054499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually runs fast.
< 1228054516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish it was a bti shorter though, it would seem like this should be "easy" in paintfuck
< 1228054536 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the east check is consuming, I'm writing a fixed version
< 1228054553 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have a requirement for this version that will make it longer
< 1228054561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what requirement?
< 1228054575 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that all 4 subcells of cells are filled, not just the NW subcell
< 1228054588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: ah, are there spaces between them?
< 1228054598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're storing state in the head, surely you could make them just one cell
< 1228054608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because only the head needs state
< 1228054659 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need 4 cells for state for performance... maybe I can shorten it to 2...
< 1228054687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: yes, but you only need state in the head
< 1228054693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual trail can be just one-cell, can't it?
< 1228054710 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is this langton's ant in PF?
< 1228054714 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but where do you do calculations?
< 1228054716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: yeah
< 1228054716 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: yes
< 1228054719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/esoteric/paintfuck/paintfuck-langton.pfk
< 1228054721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: at the head
< 1228054730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a 4-cell head that walks around, and leaves a trail of one-squares
< 1228054736 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and how do you do calculations without messing the state?
< 1228054757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: leave a blank cell(s) in the head for calculation
< 1228054765 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does the state need to be on-grid?
< 1228054767 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you're welcome to design such
< 1228054768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then one langton square = one square
< 1228054771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: memory = grid
< 1228054772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in paintfuck
< 1228054780 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much state is there?
< 1228054780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nesw, *, and []
< 1228054785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(* = flip bit)
< 1228054787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: depends on interp
< 1228054789 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: I didn't see any way to keep it in the program flux
< 1228054795 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: ah, ok
< 1228054798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything from 100x100 to 1000x1000 i guess
< 1228054832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an interesting thing because you have to design your prorgams so that they 'think' in their output
< 1228054838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :effectively OCRing it each iteration
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< 1228055168 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<SimonRC> how much state is there? <- if you mean in Langton's ant then it's just 2 bits of information
< 1228055211 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely the last move's direction
< 1228055243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: i think that would work with a grid like this:
< 1228055291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xz
< 1228055292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yab             x,y = last dir, z = pointer, a,b = calc space
< 1228055294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the head
< 1228055305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one-square trail, i'd have to think about it :P
< 1228055429 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just could think of creating a blank row or column at the head's position for extra storage and calculation and scroll the rest as the head is moved, but that would take forever
< 1228055451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it already  takes forever
< 1228055451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1228055468 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's moderately fast now
< 1228056480 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If TDWTF goes downhill noticeably in the future, we could pick this article as the Shark-Jumping moment:  http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/nice_num,-mean_programmer.aspx
< 1228056515 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nicely-written C function gets a whole front-page article to itself
< 1228056550 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it formats numbers by "using goofy modulus math".
< 1228056557 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OFFS
< 1228056581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: hey, you copied a reddit headline
< 1228056583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done :-P
< 1228056596 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1228056600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the daily wtf jumped the shark like years ago
< 1228056617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: reddit had a story a few adys ago about it basically saying the same thing
< 1228056635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7g8qf/nice_code_stupid_submitter_in_which_thedailywtf/
< 1228056641 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, reddit is YAW2S
< 1228056655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit is pretty old.
< 1228056664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :early 2005 sorta thing.
< 1228056701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reminisces of the days before lolcats game, when the front page looked approximately like "Lisp calvin and hobbes haskell"
< 1228056707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*came.
< 1228056725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would reminisce of the days when it was written in lisp [they moved to python] but wasn't around for that.
< 1228057004 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1228057045 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2005 is, like, late medieval in computer years
< 1228057075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1228057076 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that sounds a bit off actually
< 1228057100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think reddit appeared just before the web two point ohhhh boom
< 1228057139 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny that the dailywtf article mentions all that is sensible with the function, while missing the actual bugs, like what happens to LONG_MIN and what happens if long happens to be 64-bit
< 1228057191 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they've just successfully trolled a *lot* of people without them noticing
< 1228057231 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1228057296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy who does the code snippets these days seems to know ruby and java and naught else
< 1228057297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soo
< 1228057768 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-252-1-90-122.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228057861 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, this is how it SHOULD have been done (three at a time): http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/esoteric/nice_num.txt
< 1228057879 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(N.B. IT IS A JOKE)
< 1228057889 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That *would* be a WTF candidate.
< 1228057906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISCLAIMER: JOKE JOKE JOKE JOKE JOKE
< 1228057916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: beautiful!
< 1228057962 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1228057984 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that of assigning an external buffer is lame, when you can return the local buffer :P
< 1228058041 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's a bug
< 1228058056 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the for condition should be n > buf + 1
< 1228058085 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, that buffer is stack-allocated! surely that doesn't work :P
< 1228058088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: i think it's entirely a bug :P
< 1228058107 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, apart from that
< 1228058170 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't pretend it to work, I was joking :P
< 1228058185 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay
< 1228058190 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION seems to recall one of the Schildt books recommending returning a pointer to a local array at one point, because it was likely to be ok in that situation.
< 1228058214 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary
< 1228058224 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: yeah, well he's Schildt
< 1228058224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but...
< 1228058226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's schildt.
< 1228058228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1228058228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snap
< 1228058232 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1228058260 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*likely* to be ok?
< 1228058263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[In addition to his work as a computer scientist, Schildt is the original multi-keyboardist for the progressive rock band Starcastle, appearing on all of the group's albums, most of which were produced from 1976-1978]]
< 1228058265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this scares me
< 1228058332 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah, as long as you use it immediately after the function returns it probabl woon't have been overwritten, is the reasoning I think
< 1228058934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://music.sympatico.msn.ca/newsandfeatures/contentposting_ontherecord?newsitemid=1fa0a490-9979-4671-be6a-652113d8724d&feedname=MusicNewsBlog&show=False&number=0&showbyline=True&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc&date=False
< 1228058940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1228058984 0 :lostgeek!n=lostgeek@p5B0044E0.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228058995 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re
< 1228059014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi lostgeek
< 1228059017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your interp is fast.
< 1228059034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and java too but oh well
< 1228059036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1228059052 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1228059054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lostgeek:
< 1228059057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't flip() be:
< 1228059069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grid[gridPointer[0]][gridPointer[1]] = ~grid[gridPointer[0]][gridPointer[1]];
< 1228059075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ... not be in a method?
< 1228059079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be faster, probably?
< 1228059090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, wait
< 1228059092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't prepare
< 1228059093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*preparse
< 1228059098 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think that it's much faster and flip() is better to read
< 1228059105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a perfect oppertunity for me to make a lightning fast interp
< 1228059118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the HI TECH display mechanism of "VT-100"
< 1228059124 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm planning a >2-ary version of brainfuck :)
< 1228059134 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with colors and such :)
< 1228059201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lostgeek: suggestion - add a textbox like the other interps
< 1228059206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just kind of "fits" with the lang
< 1228059216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's interp won't have one due to lazy, but yours uses a proper gui lib and stuff so
< 1228059241 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never saw the other interpreter
< 1228059256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pain.swf?
< 1228059259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or pain.exe or whatever
< 1228059262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an
< 1228059263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1228059264 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pain.exe
< 1228059268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grid[gridPointer[0]][gridPointer[1]]
< 1228059268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1228059269 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_.exe_ on a mac ;)
< 1228059271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/esoteric/paintfuck/paintfuck.php
< 1228059280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lostgeek: i'm on a mac too
< 1228059284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i used the .swf
< 1228059293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://willhostforfood.com/access.php?fileid=43044
< 1228059304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the pgimeno one is in JS
< 1228059326 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. next version will have something like that
< 1228059357 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I _hate_ swing so maybe it'll take a while ;)
< 1228059388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you even using java :-P
< 1228059405 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java is cool and multiplatform
< 1228059416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty of cool & multiplatform languages
< 1228059422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like...every scripting one. :-P
< 1228059429 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah. but I use java ;)
< 1228059433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad person :D
< 1228059443 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%)
< 1228059750 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@cpc3-stkn2-0-0-cust106.midd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228059889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1228059889 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
< 1228059892 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal
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< 1228060367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi whtspc
< 1228060372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is writing an interp in c
< 1228060387 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lostgeek: I find the difference in animation speed between 0 and 1 kinda big, but I'm not allowed to use broken numbers? 0.5?
< 1228060391 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi!
< 1228060396 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1228060402 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I know... thats a problem
< 1228060414 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its Thread.sleep(long ms);
< 1228060457 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know then it's ok, just some constructive criticism :)
< 1228060457 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is rushing as fast as possible. 1 ist waiting 1 ms between every command
< 1228060477 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. but the problem is, that I don't know how to "fix" it
< 1228060527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lostgeek: can't, really
< 1228060533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1ms sleep is not 1ms sleep
< 1228060536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're on a RTOS...
< 1228060551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're sleeping like, 10x that, minimum i'd guess :-P
< 1228060574 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ofc there is that too...
< 1228060602 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: non-RT OSes should be able to wait the specified # of ms in average
< 1228060622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: to 1ms precision?
< 1228060624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm skeptical.
< 1228060642 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-193-40-216.zone7.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228060643 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: wait either 0 or <minimum> ms
< 1228060660 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and average to 1 ms
< 1228060720 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea
< 1228060798 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my pf interpreter runs 7.5 instructions per iteration in average
< 1228060822 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in? on? my english sucks as these)
< 1228060848 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at
< 1228060948 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw there's again a new interpreter: http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=3710.msg112462#msg112462
< 1228060964 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another I mean
< 1228060977 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228061004 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1228061029 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about making one in Lazarus but I was Laz-y
< 1228061155 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel like learning SDL just for writing an interpreter, or is there any other graphics library that makes it simple to write graphic apps?
< 1228061165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think i've written my interp
< 1228061173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :116 lines of c hopefully
< 1228061178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tests
< 1228061220 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders writing a curses version
< 1228061229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses is unneede
< 1228061230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1228061234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the vt-100 cursor codes
< 1228061249 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: javax.swing ;)
< 1228061249 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeeeeah :)
< 1228061249 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm planning a -TUI option ;)
< 1228061269 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lostgeek: sorry, "in C" was implied :)
< 1228061340 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know ;)
< 1228061340 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny how you can keep a bunch of ner^W geeks busy ;)
< 1228061427 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the irssi windowing system is insane
< 1228061438 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed this in an esolang recently, everything was too serious and intrincated just for the sake of being serious and intrincated
< 1228061478 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no humour, no niceness features
< 1228061609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION debugz his interp
< 1228061648 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: mind if I move "Schrodilang" to "Schr�dilang" and add a redirection in the former, or is that the proper name?
< 1228061673 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll write a wii-interpreter
< 1228061682 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, cool
< 1228061721 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash is the only language I know well
< 1228061726 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wii supports it
< 1228061731 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1228061795 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any incremental C compilers?
< 1228061821 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write an test a program bit by bit like at a python prompt?
< 1228061872 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and test
< 1228061874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the whiteout again:
< 1228061879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[s[e]*]?
< 1228061883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: there's a c repl
< 1228061906 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1228062077 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, but it seems to end up in infinite loop somehow
< 1228062089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whtspc: how is that surprising?
< 1228062128 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's not surprising, but it makes the piece of code useless
< 1228062185 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[e*]*s*]*
< 1228062193 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is more useful
< 1228062202 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blackout?
< 1228062234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: whiteout.
< 1228062236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only our interp does white=bg
< 1228062259 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g2g
< 1228062275 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bg should be defined as black
< 1228062291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1228062453 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1228062515 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1228062544 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there is no ability to define functions in that
< 1228062623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and?
< 1228062626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a brainfuck derivative
< 1228062657 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what I meant
< 1228062671 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I might be worng there...
< 1228062865 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that type of thing isn't what I was thinking of as an "incremental C compiler"
< 1228062882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1228062885 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking something like a traditional Forth
< 1228062889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1228062892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c isn't conductive to that.
< 1228062898 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get most of it
< 1228062942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why?
< 1228062952 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I can
< 1228062959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write it then :)
< 1228062976 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correction: because I could, if I could be bothered
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< 1228063810 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]"
< 1228063814 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
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< 1228064422 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)
< 1228064699 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snow! 8-D
< 1228064994 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Brittany here. We only get rain.
< 1228064996 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :question, in http://esolangs.org/wiki/Weave, should <> move each thread's pointer on both the thread's and master's tape, or just one depending on '~' ?
< 1228065014 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter seems more useful, but the former is probably what was meant i think
< 1228065509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, *[e*]* should halt in paintfuck, right?
< 1228065570 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeah it should
< 1228065577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn.
< 1228065580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stoopid bugs.
< 1228065606 0 :decipher!i=decipher@lyseo.edu.ouka.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228065661 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a version of langtons ant withhout the comments?
< 1228065757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just strip the comments
< 1228065758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why
< 1228065814 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made an code window with highlighting of the current command
< 1228065882 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at a speed of 20 it takes like 5 seconds to scroll through the comments
< 1228065964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lostgeek: parse the program before executing it.
< 1228065970 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: mind if I move "Schrodilang" to "Schr�dilang" and add a redirection in the former, or is that the proper name?
< 1228065977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a bonus loops are faster
< 1228066003 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: My records indicate that there was no umlaut on that 'o' :P
< 1228066013 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but I wanted to make the code changable on the fly
< 1228066015 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then :)
< 1228066033 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lostgeek: look in http://esolangs.org/wiki/Paintfuck
< 1228066114 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :)
< 1228066746 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try this: http://files.lostgeek.de/Geekness/PaintFuck/Release/PaintFuck-0.2a.tar.gz
< 1228066760 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my code window is mostly done :)
< 1228066783 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we edit the wiki to add more links for paintfuck interpreters?
< 1228066855 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should make an own section. There _surely_ will be more interpreters
< 1228066891 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i agree, i have coded 2 interpreters, one in C++ and the other one in obfuscated C
< 1228066906 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1228066919 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should code a brainfuck interpreter for paintfuck!
< 1228066927 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1228066927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial
< 1228066930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1228066932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not trivial
< 1228066935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but convertable via a program
< 1228066942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being that it's essentially brainfuck -> smallfuck
< 1228066948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :convert dbfi
< 1228066977 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i guess he meant an interpreter written in brainfuck for paintfuck
< 1228066985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1228066997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could do that, armed with the vt-100 cursor codes.
< 1228067008 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a very large monitor
< 1228067012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd probably be more tedious than hard
< 1228067012 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) that would be something cool to try
< 1228067017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: naw, my interp uses the vt-100 terminal codes
< 1228067031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a small font :P
< 1228067055 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i could remember where to find that CPU written in Life gliders
< 1228067096 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you have an opinion re Weave?
< 1228067101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what
< 1228067122 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :threaded brainfuck, do its tapes move together
< 1228067283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1228067288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope not
< 1228067288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1228067292 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... It is unspecified, so either way is ok. Personally I'd go with that each thread has two pointers each; on for the local tape, and one for the global tape.
< 1228067459 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about threaded paintfuck with two pointers
< 1228067463 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1228067491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wn*[[[n*]*s*s[w*]*e*e[s*]*n*n[e*]*w*w] <-- who wants to make my spiral not mess up when it  reaches the center
< 1228067682 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're missing an end bracket
< 1228067693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, right
< 1228067695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1228067696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can add that
< 1228067697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1228067757 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did
< 1228067776 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cept this isn't a spiral
< 1228067787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: it's a square spiral.
< 1228067809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[n]*[*e]*[s*]*[*w]*] i wish i knew what this was doing
< 1228067897 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: wn*[[n*]*s*s[w*]*e*e[s*]*n*n[e*]*w*wn*]* fixed
< 1228067943 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: i don't know whether i have a usepage. i'm a bit afraid of wikis
< 1228067951 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha mizard
< 1228067951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: you win 50 internets!
< 1228068011 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nom num
< 1228068014 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird what about it
< 1228068020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: wat?
< 1228068025 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ehird> *[[n]*[*e]*[s*]*[*w]*] i wish i knew what this was doing
< 1228068032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looked interesting
< 1228068033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1228068035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b ut it halts
< 1228068155 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it runs in circles it mimicks something like a 2,2 cellular rule
< 1228068173 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be the basis for something
< 1228068174 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: ok, I've leave just your nick in the Paintfuck page
< 1228068212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: his main nick is oklopol
< 1228068213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1228068291 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could see using something like that critter as a second stage, after setting up a board for it to run around
< 1228068323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't do that for me
< 1228068324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i makes a machine
< 1228068327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it on the official interp
< 1228068336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummmm
< 1228068337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[[n*w]n*[s*e]e*]*]
< 1228068338 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in the swf
< 1228068342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a cellular automata
< 1228068345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see traingles
< 1228068359 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: if you make a reasonably fast paintfuck interp, i can make a pong.
< 1228068360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg
< 1228068361 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's very cool
< 1228068361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's
< 1228068363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sierpinski!
< 1228068367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: use the exe one
< 1228068367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1228068373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaeh
< 1228068374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1228068376 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228068426 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that stream of bits when it settles into a repeat pattern is interesting
< 1228068427 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: if you make a multithreaded interpreter, with keyboard input...
< 1228068436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :losthe means
< 1228068436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pong ai
< 1228068437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :los
< 1228068438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lostgeek:
< 1228068446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. two ais playing pong against each other
< 1228068449 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1228068466 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: put my nick there as "oklopol"
< 1228068470 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my most official one.
< 1228068471 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol
< 1228068476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1228068485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird told you. not really a surprise but anyway
< 1228068510 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lostgeek: why multithreaded?
< 1228068525 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: two player? :B
< 1228068541 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was thinking player + ai, but whatever
< 1228068556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<jayCampbell> i might be able to simulate Very Large Numbers with branching and pool resets
< 1228068565 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need an infinite program
< 1228068569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it has no input
< 1228068571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do ai vs ai
< 1228068573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1228068574 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, maybe
< 1228068608 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I haven't had the chance to actually program something bigger in paintfuck yet...
< 1228068612 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was only writing the interpreter
< 1228068621 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't really know what you would have to do for that
< 1228068680 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one shows how to build the spaceship from Contact *[[[n*w]n*[s*e]e*]*]
< 1228068701 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i guess i could have it take the seed from the first line.
< 1228068716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just make it play a predictable game
< 1228068717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really it'd be just stupid to make one for an interp that slow
< 1228068721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1228068724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very slow
< 1228068726 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: seed is nicer.
< 1228068744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: if it's too slow use http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/esoteric/paintfuck/paintfuck.php or the java one or the c one
< 1228068764 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess it's the perfect speed for actually seeing the logic that moves that paddles + ball
< 1228068769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Slereah_> Are you seeking to purchase some weed?
< 1228068783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just keep the ai simple enough :P
< 1228068785 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i could say that was out of the ordinary here
< 1228068788 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, do you spend all day reading the logs?
< 1228068798 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just started
< 1228068805 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also do you want some weed
< 1228068809 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1228068820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[[n*w]n*[s*w]se*]*]
< 1228068997 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pgimeno> is the announcement time in the wiki in CET?
< 1228069014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can set your timezone in the preferences.
< 1228069026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1228069030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its part of the page source
< 1228069035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Original Paintfuck announcement (2008-11-22 14:28:50 UTC)
< 1228069036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumbo :P
< 1228069039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1228069071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i've occasionally find that annoying when i want to add an unsigned template
< 1228069078 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i have to convert manually
< 1228069090 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i
< 1228069155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION flaps his ears to fly, then drops a rock on ehird 
< 1228069569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[ee*]*se*]
< 1228069577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it e shorter? :D
< 1228069579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1228069581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[ee*]*se*]*
< 1228069610 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that was not the issue, sorry, I meant the time that whtspc mentioned as the creation time for the Paintfuck article
< 1228069631 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for Paintfuck in the article
< 1228069690 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*announcement time (sorry, too much langton lately)
< 1228069874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how goes the pong
< 1228069932 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1228070110 0 :lostgeek!n=lostgeek@p5B005C77.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228070208 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh. I somehow managed to crash my book
< 1228070227 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow. I gtg
< 1228070228 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1228070236 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1228070260 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1228071504 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: did i say i was going to do it now?
< 1228071527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it was implied
< 1228071528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1228071535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but srsly do it <.<
< 1228073580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[*e]*[*n]*[*w]*[s*]*]
< 1228074259 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r01jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228074263 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttt i have others to do!
< 1228074337 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides not to make a butt joke anyhow.
< 1228074389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asss is you could
< 1228074421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: cmon
< 1228074422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doooooo i
< 1228074422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1228074424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be awesome
< 1228074462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: as a bonus you don't have to handle losses
< 1228074464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is
< 1228074467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the ball goes through one end
< 1228074471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it automatically starts again from the other
< 1228074472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1228075029 0 :lostgeek!n=lostgeek@xdsl-87-79-45-167.netcologne.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228075035 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re
< 1228075468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo LolaCL
< 1228075470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1228075473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lostgeek:
< 1228075475 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1228075540 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my interp is reaching the point where I need to rethink the code and comment :)
< 1228075554 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: we don't all have a letter all to ourself, you know
< 1228075565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lo<tab>
< 1228075573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two-charactetr prefixes should be unique!!!
< 1228075574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1228075613 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need to change my nick to lastgeek? *g*
< 1228075625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lostgeek: change it to zy3jkanfka
< 1228075626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lostgeek: won't help for long
< 1228075628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty uniqu
< 1228075629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1228075637 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is lament anyway.
< 1228075655 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants utf8 nicks :)
< 1228075696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lostgeek: you could try lustgeek though
< 1228075726 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway.. has someone made a 99 bottles of beer in paintfuck yet? :)
< 1228075746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1228075749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna write a counter
< 1228075750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be that slight lack of ascii output...
< 1228075757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: draw the text
< 1228075758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and scroll it
< 1228075759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1228075762 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should build it as a program that paints 99 beer bottles, then unpaints them one after one
< 1228075774 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while scrolling the lyrics :P
< 1228075822 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1228075851 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's only a matter of determination
< 1228075896 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think with procedures it would be much easier
< 1228075906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1228075911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would suck
< 1228075919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep the minimalist aesthetic and orthogonality
< 1228075920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1228075924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[s*en]s*nw[w]es]
< 1228075926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :counter woo
< 1228075945 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drawing a fixed letter is trivial, just tedious
< 1228075948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically copy, add one, then reset back to position 0
< 1228075948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1228076031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm doing the arithmetic directly on the drawn digits would be sorta cool
< 1228076057 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1228076070 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i know!  a program that does manual arithmetic :D
< 1228076107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1228076148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes a scroller
< 1228076167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1228076277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that even possible?
< 1228076290 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a scroller is possible and has been done
< 1228076294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it copies every square above it one down, then moves itself one down, then repeats
< 1228076296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter what is above
< 1228076312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, it can scroll forever
< 1228076322 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, let me fetch the code
< 1228076389 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sssssssssssssss
< 1228076389 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sseeeeeeee
< 1228076391 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s*s*s*s*e*e*n*n*sse*e*n*n*n*n*ee
< 1228076391 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s*s*s*s*nne*e*e*enn*s*s*s*s*ee
< 1228076391 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeee*wwwwww*
< 1228076391 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[n*n*n*n*e*e*e*e*ssw*w*w*ss*e*e*e*ee]
< 1228076393 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nn*n*n*
< 1228076396 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeeeeenn
< 1228076398 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[e*]*ssssssss
< 1228076401 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[e*]*nnnnnnn*[
< 1228076403 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[*[s]e[w*e*]ws*]*ne*
< 1228076406 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[*[n]e[w*e*]wn*]*se*]
< 1228076409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastie.org in future plz :p
< 1228076440 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure :)
< 1228076460 0 :lostgeek!n=lostgeek@xdsl-87-79-45-167.netcologne.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228076460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decipher: i swa that, but
< 1228076467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it handle arbitrary stuff?
< 1228076469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just whee
< 1228076470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1228076483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it be done vertically? that is, it copies everything above a line downwards
< 1228076496 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... copy & paste can be bad
< 1228076507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm?
< 1228076523 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you copy the code from the slider for the scale (1-10 px per field)
< 1228076530 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use it for the speed (0-5000)
< 1228076534 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and forget to change the variables
< 1228076538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1228076540 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get an 200x200 field
< 1228076551 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 1500 px x 1500px per field
< 1228076555 0 :decipher!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i think it is possible
< 1228076565 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get a window of 300000 x 300000 px
< 1228076646 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1228076648 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Hey Hoy let go !"
< 1228076672 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228077001 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-commented version of Langton's Ant with 2x2 NOT-HOLLOW cells: http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/esoteric/paintfuck-langton-nothollow.pfk
< 1228077036 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is slower because it has to do many copy and reset operations
< 1228077039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :404
< 1228077045 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1228077055 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/esoteric/paintfuck/paintfuck-langton-nothollow.pfk
< 1228077058 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1228077118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: can you add an option to yur interp to start at 0,0
< 1228077154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1228077156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my copier does work
< 1228077181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is VERY slow
< 1228077184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it copies anything at all right
< 1228077188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no special confi
< 1228077188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1228077228 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: hm... ok
< 1228077265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decipher: lostgeek: pgimeno: http://pastie.org/327245 my generic copier
< 1228077271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :veeeeeeeeery slow
< 1228077277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the comments for instructions :-P
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< 1228078333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody wants to try my copier? :P
< 1228078336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's short!
< 1228078398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just [[*n*]w[w]*se*[*s*]w[w]*ne*], with the precondition that it's at the one-up-from-bottommost leftmost cell, there is a white line running all across the top and bottom, and the drawing is in the middle
< 1228078410 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. need to add comments to my program...
< 1228078422 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got 521 lines of code... and 4 lines of comment
< 1228078422 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is this/
< 1228078455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: paintfuck
< 1228078458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
< 1228078462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure my copier works for multiple lines
< 1228078463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tests
< 1228078504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1228078505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't
< 1228078506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1228078508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might
< 1228078508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::
< 1228078508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::s
< 1228078511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1228078512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it does
< 1228078514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just extra slowly
< 1228078571 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
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< 1228078597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if it's working slowly or breaking on multiple lines, haha
< 1228078707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh it halt
< 1228078708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s
< 1228078708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::{
< 1228079289 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
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< 1228079570 0 :pavitra!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1228080263 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new improved version of my interpreter
< 1228080272 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with reverse video option
< 1228080284 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trace improvements
< 1228080409 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dyalog.com/dfnsdws/n_kt.htm
< 1228080414 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe that isn't an esolang
< 1228080416 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and origin option (per ehird's request))
< 1228080425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaey
< 1228080582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey pgimeno
< 1228080586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write game of life in it
< 1228080586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1228080599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: what, APL?
< 1228080616 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1228080629 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: again, not possible without extra storage e.g. 2x2
< 1228080635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: yeah and? :D
< 1228080646 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I might try...
< 1228080685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: here's how i imagine it working:
< 1228080697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you have to traverse the WHOLE grid, have a checkerboard separated by a lot
< 1228080701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can always walk the whole gri
< 1228080701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1228080711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, each actual square is 2x2 or so so that it stands out from the checkerboard
< 1228080725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the head has to track the four neighbours and probably a few more stuff to carry around
< 1228080728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess 4x4 or so
< 1228080737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the gaps in the checkerboard have to fit a 4x4 head
< 1228080864 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my view, 2x2 is enought
< 1228080867 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*enough
< 1228080903 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :von Neumann machine would probably be far easier
< 1228080944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: 2x2  head?
< 1228080947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for game of life?
< 1228080954 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1228080956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to track the on/off state of -4 neighbouring cells- to calculate one cell
< 1228080973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: and you still need a space for calculation, and an always-on head
< 1228080976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooooo
< 1228080980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you propose to do that
< 1228081020 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's not a problem in my view, e.g. in Langton I use two cells for computation, not just one
< 1228081025 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use as many as you need
< 1228081028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1228081036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright
< 1228081037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1228081054 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you remember your actual head's position, that is
< 1228081055 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1228081078 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, life is too complicated (which is true in two senses)
< 1228081095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol :)
< 1228081098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :game of life is pretty trivial tbh
< 1228081107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just... not quite so in paintfuck
< 1228081108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is trivial, yes
< 1228081109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be much harder than langton
< 1228081116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :langton is 2 bits to store direction
< 1228081123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gol is 4 bits for neighbours
< 1228081147 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in life you need to check each of 8 neighbours and count them, counting is not so easy in pf
< 1228081165 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't
< 1228081171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1228081173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 neighbours
< 1228081173 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just how you might implement it in a normal language.
< 1228081175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 8
< 1228081192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1228081192 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 8 neighbors, not 4
< 1228081195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is eight
< 1228081195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1228081201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway pgimeno
< 1228081208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably do like 2 bits
< 1228081214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and flip them to patterns for alive/dead on each hit
< 1228081215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1228081246 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just have two cells per gol cell and do all the computation elsewhere on the board.
< 1228081278 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even if you want to do everything in-place, 4 is enough
< 1228081280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1228081283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the calculation in the head
< 1228081321 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: show me :)
< 1228081329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: dunno if i have the time
< 1228081335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you're never busy
< 1228081339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you have the time
< 1228081340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1228081350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm pretty sure you can do it with just two cells per gol cell, without using any additional external memory.
< 1228081351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just don't want to
< 1228081359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1228081376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the code size will get exponential then
< 1228081386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...
< 1228081401 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why even two
< 1228081414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you have to track the state of 8 things
< 1228081416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. 8 bits
< 1228081418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just use the whole array for gol
< 1228081429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: lol
< 1228081437 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are on the map already
< 1228081439 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see your point
< 1228081443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are 9 things.
< 1228081457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah but
< 1228081463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to carry the 8 bits
< 1228081467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can count the number
< 1228081468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to calculat the new state
< 1228081484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can do it without calculating anything.
< 1228081493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how
< 1228081506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can just do like i did in my 50000 line tode solution and explicitly list all the cases :)
< 1228081531 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically using program state as the counter
< 1228081549 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not actually that much slower, assuming the code is parsed
< 1228081567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, probably the fastest way to do it
< 1228081587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's kind of cheating
< 1228081587 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i still need to solve the problem of changing the board on the fly.
< 1228081594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, not really
< 1228081600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess so
< 1228081601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttt
< 1228081604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paintfuck can do it without that
< 1228081609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1228081610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think it should be done "properly"
< 1228081616 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sure
< 1228081658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway size 4 cells are probably nicer if only for esthetics.
< 1228081746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... wonder how proper proper should be
< 1228081761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should see what you can do with 4.
< 1228081789 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone link the swf or the exor
< 1228081830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: k
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< 1228081843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: willhostforfood.com/files3/7766096/pain.rar
< 1228081851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed i'd never touch it again so i removed it
< 1228081860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you peckers keep talking about it, so that's hardly possible
< 1228081864 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: for changing the board on the fly, use an extra line that moves and keeps a copy of the old state of one other line
< 1228081897 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes something like that might work.
< 1228081899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: paintfuck is pretty interesting you gotta admit
< 1228081903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compareed to some other new langs
< 1228081923 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay. noprob would be more interesting if i managed to finish it
< 1228081949 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fredkin was the name, I didn't remember it O:) Fredkin should be easy to write in pf.
< 1228081957 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm thinking removing probabilities and somehow trying to make linked lists out of variable dependencies... :)
< 1228081990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what other new langs btw?
< 1228082001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Esme!!ESMEESMESME!!!11
< 1228082013 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: OMGOMGOMG
< 1228082025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember what esme is, just that it was somehow stupid
< 1228082032 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's enough
< 1228082038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esme
< 1228082069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shameful"
< 1228082106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i added that
< 1228082109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1228082113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the citation needed
< 1228082113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1228082133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Hashes
< 1228082138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new lang of his (Slereah )
< 1228082145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i prolly don't know what that is because it doesn't say on the wiki.
< 1228082157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that is all the description we have
< 1228082157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1228082158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thought he added citation needed.  or maybe that was for another language.
< 1228082213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i added it, you changed it
< 1228082214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1228082214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one mad god
< 1228082225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i just included the template
< 1228082248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Esme&diff=next&oldid=12506
< 1228082263 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1228082373 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ot] http://finitenature.com/interference/plugin/index.html <- nice java applet
< 1228082413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: nothing is offtopic in #esoteric
< 1228082469 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: wrong
< 1228082517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm trying to track that VeeBeeWiki mention leads to a nonexisting web page or something
< 1228082610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: why wrong? :P
< 1228082613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he made it up
< 1228082614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1228082727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name is older
< 1228082734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ?
< 1228082757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wikiscrolls.org/
< 1228082796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :veebeewiki = Visual Basic wiki
< 1228082796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly
< 1228082798 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be just a name collision :/
< 1228082804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah
< 1228082806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely name collision
< 1228082817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries web arckiv
< 1228082853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in web archive
< 1228082883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikiscrolls was merged with the Elderscrolls Wikia in March 2008
< 1228082893 0 :Corun_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1228082915 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: too many offtopics can make people abandon the chan, preferably the snr should be kept high
< 1228082928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait the Mad God actually mentions it elsewhere: http://www.frheritage.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?id=User_talk:Dagoth_Ur%2C_Mad_God&revision=23
< 1228082970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: way past that stage
< 1228082974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: there are quite a lot of regulars here.
< 1228082985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most everyone here is a regular
< 1228082990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the topics swerve wildly
< 1228083004 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah everyone likes ontopic stuff, ofc
< 1228083028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not me!  those esolangs are too damn hard.
< 1228083053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i come here only for the sex talk.
< 1228083066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: on that site... jesus christ
< 1228083072 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I come here because I'm lonely ;_;
< 1228083076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he comes to someone else's wiki, shits over it, and asks for adminship to shit over it more
< 1228083076 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1228083080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o
< 1228083087 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1228083181 0 :Corun!n=Corun@cpc1-rdng19-0-0-cust700.winn.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228083513 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1228083518 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host
< 1228083562 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-59.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228083774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah he was banned from Elderscrolls
< 1228083825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh.
< 1228083829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i am unsurprised
< 1228083835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an ass :D
< 1228084135 0 :LinuS!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out
< 1228084246 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric
< 1228084261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: darn, i have a faster copier but it mangles the ceiling and floor
< 1228084266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not sure how to make it detect it
< 1228084271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to go onto the next line
< 1228084647 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1
< 1228084647 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2Hello,  1World!
< 1228084647 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3, 10, 5, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1
< 1228084647 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4, 2, 1
< 1228084647 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1
< 1228084647 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6, 3, 10, 5, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1
< 1228084653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: ??
< 1228084660 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weave works :)
< 1228084666 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :threaded brainfuck
< 1228084683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfork
< 1228084700 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to put a bunch of NOPs in hello.b to make it overlap
< 1228084723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfork
< 1228084730 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weave is different
< 1228084732 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gn channel
< 1228084735 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"This computer has gone to sleep"
< 1228084741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1228084741 0 :lostgeek!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1228084748 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a shared tape
< 1228084754 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er i should test that
< 1228084771 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need .. hello.b and cat.b
< 1228084788 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, weave has a shared tape plus a tape per thread
< 1228084855 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's more functional than brainfork, and it was unimplemente
< 1228085071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i golfed my checkerboarder:
< 1228085072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[se[ee]*]
< 1228085073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: :D
< 1228085162 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nift
< 1228085406 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ?
< 1228085414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno:
< 1228085418 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok master tape works
< 1228085418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[se[ee]*]
< 1228085421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really short chequerboard
< 1228085434 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you considered using <canvas> for this javascript one?
< 1228085443 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even better, *[en[nn]*] !!
< 1228085547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: oh good idea
< 1228085558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: but that's exactly the same :P
< 1228085564 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha you ran it
< 1228085578 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah ok
< 1228085586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: no i knew
< 1228085593 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost voting time
< 1228085605 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: tell me more :)
< 1228085607 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[whe[ee]*]
< 1228085615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1228085616 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1228085638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: <canvas> google it :P
< 1228085645 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: well, I was thinking that it would save you having a 64x64 <table>. Surely that can't be great for performance :)
< 1228085653 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nights who paint *[ne[ee]*]
< 1228085656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it also sucks for larger sizes
< 1228085668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: that is also the same.
< 1228085670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trickster.
< 1228085679 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant knights anyway
< 1228085703 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also (in Firefox, at least) you can copy the image to the clipboard as a data:url, which would be cool :D
< 1228085723 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: I'm sure, I just haven't heard of canvas before
< 1228085736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: gooooooogle
< 1228085736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1228085745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Canvas_tutorial
< 1228085751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Drawing_Graphics_with_Canvas
< 1228085762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its non-standard but supported by just about everything that isn't IE
< 1228085774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of this content (but not the documentation on drawWindow) has been rolled into the more expansive Canvas tutorial, this page should probably be redirected there as it's now redundant.
< 1228085777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disregard the second link
< 1228085809 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, mozilla-specific?
< 1228085813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1228085822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgimeno: mozilla + opera + safari
< 1228085828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's in the upcoming HTML5 spec
< 1228085828 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1228085836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, um, as cross-platform as it matters
< 1228085842 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does CakeProphet hang around here?
< 1228085844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the insane people here (like oklopol and oerjan) use IE :P
< 1228085847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jayCampbell: occasionally
< 1228085848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1228085851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know him?
< 1228085857 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves hi
< 1228085863 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weave is his spec, and i have questions
< 1228085882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1228085886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he only comes every now and then
< 1228085912 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like can we ditch the '!' separator since there's already ';' and '!' means bf-input these days
< 1228085924 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :busy expanding his cake religion, i assume
< 1228086022 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't use ie anymore
< 1228086032 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because firefox is now the default
< 1228086045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: lol
< 1228086103 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm almost thinking i should've debugged the gol during coding... :P
< 1228086108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a loooooot of code
< 1228086116 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm pretty sure there are about 30 errors :P
< 1228086139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: XD
< 1228086142 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a firefox addon for doing 3D stuff with <canvas> and openGL... so I made fractals with it. Maybe I should have made a piet interpreter on the GPU.
< 1228086149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*almost*
< 1228086158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: does it look pretty?
< 1228086162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. can you make out  the grid
< 1228086164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easily
< 1228086187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stores current and previous row now.
< 1228086194 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it could be prettier i guess.
< 1228086230 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you i don't know what it looks like, i haven't run it once :D
< 1228086232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: um but
< 1228086235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still see the whole grid
< 1228086237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right?
< 1228086248 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummm?
< 1228086254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the GoL 2d grid
< 1228086259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still see all of it right
< 1228086268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellllllll, the grid is made of 2x2 squares
< 1228086273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1228086275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1228086275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1228086282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the noise from the processing enough to make it hard to see?
< 1228086288 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the top right is the current val, bottom left is the last one
< 1228086301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1228086304 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know :) but there's only noise at the current spot.
< 1228086329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok
< 1228086333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how long until it works :P
< 1228086338 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looooong :)
< 1228086340 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1228086363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've currently counter the neighbors
< 1228086408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i just need to store the negations of the counter's contents, and do a few if's
< 1228086455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya
< 1228086463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all pretty trivial really, it's just, well, it either works or not, i don't have a step-by-stepper :)
< 1228086475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes
< 1228086475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do
< 1228086477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i know one exists, but that's only a last resort)
< 1228086480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/esoteric/paintfuck/paintfuck.php
< 1228086481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1228086487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAST RESORT
< 1228086963 0 :pgimeno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that canvas thing looks promising, I guess that the getElementById thing is quite time consuming in this program
< 1228087090 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't use canvas, you should at least cache the getElementById calls.
< 1228087192 0 :jayCampbell!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, with a couple lines i could put brainfork's forker into weaver
< 1228087244 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to bed.
< 1228087962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION debugged his code :<<
< 1228087978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there weren't 30 errors, there were 3
< 1228087996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you count the one that was in all the copypaste.... then it was more like 20 :D
< 1228088461 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1228088687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oklopol
< 1228088689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how goes the game of lief
< 1228088694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it ready for release
< 1228088792 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet
< 1228088851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kinda stupid concerning how long i've been on it
< 1228088877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: then will you do pong
< 1228088877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDD
< 1228088888 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't promise you can see the actual evolution from this... but that's probably not that important...... :D
< 1228088901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: can you watch a glider?
< 1228088903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is the last round's valuez
< 1228088906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so it's kewel
< 1228088907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well prolly
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< 1228089595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: IS IT DONE
< 1228089596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<.<