00:02:27 you might want to wash it more often than once a month, then 00:10:43 You realize the unbelievably huge flaw in your logic, right? 00:12:20 Well, I'll point it out then :P 00:12:26 They're literal hair icicles. 00:12:34 The problem is that when I wash my hair I don't dry it well enough. 00:12:39 So the remaining water freezes. 00:14:38 ah 00:15:19 and yes, i realized the unbelievably huge flaw in your logic, right. 00:15:24 i mean my 00:15:29 darn copy/paste 00:22:04 -!- Judofyr has joined. 01:05:23 -!- jix has quit ("..."). 01:14:58 GregorR: he said 'wash', he didn't mean with water 01:15:06 With urine 01:15:25 lava cleans off everything 01:15:41 Nah, it leaves ashes and shit 01:15:44 and definitely cures icicles 01:15:53 What you want is some antimatter beam 01:15:59 ah right 01:24:32 Everything can be cleaned using a fingernail. 01:25:07 yes. 01:25:20 although sometimes the fingernail doesn't survive. 01:25:47 Even radioactive wastes? 01:25:56 yes. 01:26:00 Radioactivity is insignificant. 01:26:10 i never mentioned whether the _rest_ of you survive, either. 01:26:11 It'll behave just the same chemically. 01:26:45 Yes. 01:26:47 Like lead. 01:26:52 That sounds healthy. 01:27:10 If a drop of wax gets on a piece of metal, it can be removed using a fingernail. If a drop of metal gets on a piece of wax, it can be removed using a fingernail. 01:27:18 lead is not unhealthy. as long as you don't lick your fingernail afterward. 01:27:53 oh wait i realized one thing that cannot be cleaned with a fingernail. 01:27:58 a blackboard. 01:28:05 just the thought makes me shiver. 01:28:11 But saliva dissolves chalk. I think. 01:28:22 It also dissolves everything that could possibly be on something. 01:28:27 possibly. 01:28:49 What if you drop metal on metal? 01:28:52 If the laptop you're using has gotten crusty, saliva will dissolve the crust. 01:28:52 Like, you know 01:28:55 MELTED METAL 01:29:11 If a drop of metal gets on a piece of metal, you'll probably be able to remove it just fine. 01:29:19 Especially if the piece of metal was dusty. 01:29:30 thus, always keep your laptop covered in a thin layer of saliva. 01:29:40 Of course. 01:30:36 Serious question: how come saliva seems to dissolve suckers so much more effectively than water? 01:31:11 Because enzymes, I assume 01:32:48 Do the enzymes just shove the sugar particles into the water? 01:32:59 Or do they actually do something chemical? 01:33:12 They break down some long-chained molecules, IIRC 01:33:39 Do suckers contain any of those? 01:33:59 I don't know, SUCKER 01:34:03 *rimshot* 01:34:04 I guess Wikipedia says they're "sucrose with corn syrup". 01:36:46 Still all sugar. 01:37:02 Delicious sugar 01:38:32 * Slereah_ waits for Warrigal to ask how many licks to get to the center of it next 01:40:57 * Warrigal waits for Slereah_ to stop waiting 01:41:17 * oerjan attempts to dissolve Warrigal with saliva 01:41:19 THEN ASK, AND THE WAIT WILL BE OVER 01:41:25 oerjan : Gay 01:41:37 you don't say 01:41:53 Slereah_: you just claimed he was a sucker. the experiment needs to be done. 01:41:54 Yes I do. 01:42:22 That excuse won't work when your mom finds out! 01:51:09 Nothing can dissolve protein. 01:51:20 And I'm covered in protein, so I'm indestructible. 01:51:36 Try acid, you'll see mister invincible 01:52:35 I can't imagine dissolving much in LSD. 01:52:42 Which, as you know, is the only acid. 01:52:46 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoroantimonic_acid 01:52:53 Try that nigger 01:52:54 i want some lsd 01:53:00 Apart from amino acids, obviously. 01:53:27 "The 1:1 combination affords the strongest known superacid, which has been demonstrated to protonate even hydrocarbons to afford carbocations and H2." 01:53:29 :D 01:54:04 "HF-SbF5 is rapidly and explosively decomposed by water." 01:54:05 Heh. 01:54:16 But proteins are made of amino acids, and everyone knows acids don't react with acids. 01:55:10 Actually, it can even disolve sulfuric acid 01:55:27 It's one tough motherfucker 01:56:04 * oerjan drops a bottle of antacids on Warrigal and watches his proteins dissolve 01:56:30 ANTS D: 01:57:18 Ah, but you've forgotten I've developed an immunity to antacids by chewing two tablets twice daily. 01:58:10 I developed an immunity to bullets by shooting myself daily 01:59:18 Too bad it's impossible to develop an immunity to death. 01:59:19 Warrigal: good luck with your Milk-alkali syndrome and/or alkalosis 02:00:08 Holding one's breath is a sure cure for alkalosis. The oxygen converts to carbonic acid, neutralizing any bases in the bloodstream. 02:00:13 Or there are too many bases and you die instead. 02:07:41 -!- MizardX has quit ("reboot"). 02:09:41 always cover all your bases 02:10:25 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:11:30 -!- MizardX has joined. 02:13:12 How are they supposed to react with anything if I do that? 02:13:22 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 02:14:17 well, basically, they cannot. but i thought that's what you wanted. 02:27:09 ais523: you there? 02:27:37 unlikely at this time, i know 02:53:26 -!- oerjan has quit ("ribbit, er, reboot"). 02:57:18 -!- oerjan has joined. 04:08:14 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 05:08:08 -!- Judofyr has joined. 05:14:55 I'm thinking of making a metawiki. Basically, it acts like a wiki but directly edits files in its own directory. Maybe I've already mentioned this here :P 05:15:48 wat 05:16:02 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 05:28:10 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 05:31:11 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 06:15:43 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 06:30:39 -!- psygnisfive has joined. 06:52:17 I should sell Moxie to my friends who aren't willing to buy it in cases. 06:52:26 Then I'd be a Moxie proxy LAWL 06:52:29 * GregorR goes to sleep. 07:03:05 so guys 07:03:09 whats up 07:03:13 anything good? 07:16:52 -!- moozilla has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:43:21 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("You only need one wheel. Bikers are just greedy."). 09:37:45 -!- Mony has joined. 09:38:42 plop 09:51:59 -!- Asztal has joined. 10:46:14 ooooo 10:52:07 -!- Judofyr has joined. 10:56:22 why should Dewi be Deewi? 10:56:38 why not ? :) 10:57:26 i was just wondering whether ehird made a mistake, which would let me lecture him about semiopen intervals. 10:58:10 Yes, it seemed like a curiously difficult way of saying [:5]. 10:58:27 (a one-sentence lecture) 10:58:32 yes. 11:03:30 oklofok: Did you have some great channel suggestions to join for oh-so-interesting reading, in addition to this one here? 11:03:38 -!- metazilla has joined. 11:03:44 -!- moozilla has quit (Nick collision from services.). 11:04:24 anyway a clear warning sign should've been, if that was an error, that one of the reasons for using a semiopen interval is exactly so you can get continuous intervals [a, c) by catenating [a, b) [b, c) 11:05:05 which makes it a bit more "high-level", in some sense, because you have to do less "index-fiddling" 11:06:44 fizzie: the only channels i read for fun are this one, #algorithms, #ai, #proglangdesign, #haskell and #not-math 11:06:53 but i'm not saying any of them is that interesting. 11:07:05 #algorithms is really the only one where i actually contribute 11:07:12 oh and also #lojban, but you wouldn't care 11:08:28 "If you learned to speak Lojban, your communication would be completely unambiguous and logical." "Yeah, but it would all be with the kind of people who learn Lojban." 11:08:38 :) 11:09:44 that's pretty much the kind of people i want to have conversations with. 11:10:17 except not so much "people who learn lojban", but "people who wouldn't be opposed to learning lojban just because the user base consists of geeks" 11:10:53 then again, i don't learn languages so i can use them, so wouldn't be a good argument anyway 11:11:10 (same with programming languages, i know tons, but i just use python :)) 11:12:51 -!- moozilla has joined. 11:13:07 anyway, somewhat sadly, this is the only channel i've followed actively since i joined freenode, dunno why, maybe it was so often on-topic when i first got here ;) 11:13:43 nowadays i just know all the actives, so the social porn is enough to make everything interesting 11:13:58 (except the unix-blah of course, nothing can make that interesting) 11:15:26 -!- Mony has quit ("Mouarf...."). 11:16:08 Oh, I'm sure you still hang around here just because of psygnisfive's constant affections. 11:16:23 :) 11:16:32 psygnisfive is quite new 11:16:43 and he hasn't done that that much anymore 11:17:39 also this channel makes me feel bad i haven't gotten noprob&friends working yet, which of course is a good thing. 11:20:26 i wish there was an option not to erase browsing history, but just make it not suggest those things anymore when i type them 11:20:52 i want to visit pages i've accidentally closed, but sometimes i need to erase the suggestions because 11:20:54 err 11:21:04 i'm buying gifts 11:22:23 You mean the URL bar suggestions, and in which browser? 11:24:20 i recently went back to IE 11:24:32 FF before 11:25:24 seems a bit of a funny time to do so :) 11:25:28 no one happens to know how to get IE open the "open in default browser" links in a new tab instead of new window? ;) 11:25:35 Asztal: how so? 11:25:39 Well, I don't know about IE. In FF (3, anyway) the URL suggestibility is configurable, and in any case you can selectively delete only those incriminating URLs ("gifts", right...) in the history window. 11:26:07 fizzie: ah, let's check if ie has that 11:26:25 I guess it's okay if you (a) installed the ms08-078 patch or protect against it otherwise (b) don't visit any of the 6000+ infected sites 11:27:33 Asztal: i don't believe in viruses, or anything like that. 11:27:46 never had them, never protected myself. 11:28:43 and i have no idea what you're talking about, mind sharing? 11:29:01 i'm not going to install a patch, if i did, i could just as well install the new firefox 11:29:09 both are impossible tasks! 11:30:13 http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2317 11:30:26 i've never understood how any kind of intrusion could be possible really 11:31:19 apparently in this bug it's a case of removing an item from an array without decrementing the array size 11:32:02 that's not possible if the design is at all OO 11:32:17 and even if not, it isn't possible if the programmers aren't idiots 11:32:49 consequently, i'm not going to believe IE has that hole. therefore i'm safe. 11:32:59 good for you! 11:33:24 You are not going to believe something that Microsoft admits? Well, it's good to have principles, I guess. 11:33:45 :P 11:33:51 well okay maybe i believe it a bit. 11:34:06 -!- metazilla has quit (Connection timed out). 11:34:12 so IE is written in what, subleq? 11:35:04 C with classes, I think 11:35:36 -!- moozilla has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 11:36:00 in cwc, you'd use vectors 11:37:31 The description I've seen about the issue has sounded more like "using a dangling reference to a free'd object", but I haven't seen any details, really. 11:37:51 "The vulnerability is caused by memory corruption resulting from the way Internet Explorer handles DHTML Data Bindings. -- Malicious HTML that targets this vulnerability causes IE to create an array of data binding objects, release one of them, and later reference it." 11:37:55 It's always so very vague. 11:38:00 I think my description pretty much amounts to yours. 11:38:27 maybe I misread, though. 11:38:46 Not really; any sort of automatical bounds-checking will catch "removing an element from the array and forgetting to decrement size". 11:39:09 well cwc doesn't have that for primitive arrays 11:39:11 -!- moozilla has joined. 11:39:17 so it's possible. 11:39:34 it's just stupid, and never happens to non-noobs 11:41:04 IE code might not be especially pretty. 11:41:12 true. 11:41:22 we will never know 11:43:27 i just don't see how something as important-sounding as DHTML Data Bindings would ever be in an array without an interface in-between. 11:43:54 especially when such a restrictive interface, vector, exists 11:44:12 of course in c++ that won't always save you 11:44:23 I have just used Google Translate to translate the Chinese announcement from people that might've been the ones who discovered it. 11:44:34 "Construction certain conditions can be detected SDHTML make the release mistakes have been the target of distribution, but the release has been the target of the distribution of post-SDHTML did not return but were released to continue to use the memory of the implementation of the object, if the memory was allocated to other purposes , Will lead to SDHTML such as a memory object to the operation." 11:44:40 And there you have it! 11:45:24 well, all i get out of that is the "memory was allocated to other purposes" part, which is really obvious anyway 11:45:44 wait, did i say c++ there 11:45:44 There release has been the target of the distribution! Did not return! 11:45:50 what was that about! 11:46:00 xD 11:46:22 Be careful, ir might lead a memory object to the operation. 11:46:31 "Will lead to SDHTML such as a memory object to the operation." <<< i love this 11:46:37 :D 11:46:39 also that one 11:46:47 automatic translations are so much fun 11:47:16 yay first exam graded 11:47:25 now i needs coke 11:47:58 i libraried me a the c++ programming language, better start reading soon 11:51:14 The person grading the "Computer Networks" course referred us to http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=974 on the course IRC channel. 11:51:30 I'm not sure if it was some sort of a comment on the results. 11:51:37 you have course irc channels? :< 11:52:28 seriously. i'm moving to helsinki 11:52:29 today. 11:52:30 For a few courses. Nothing systematical. I think I've been on about six of them. 11:52:43 i see 11:52:56 most of our lectures are > 120 yo. 11:53:21 The TML people ("data communications and multimedia") tend to have IRC channels; the other departments less often. 11:53:42 Although the AI course has one, and the Scheme course used to have back when it still existed. 11:55:02 our basic algo courses don't even cover nondeterministic turing machines anymore, supposedly it was "too hard". 11:55:19 I think the "introduction to programming (Java)" thing that replaced the Scheme course also has a channel. 11:55:28 every year courses are dumbified a few bits 11:56:44 Same here. 11:57:49 Oh, the Java thing does have an IRC channel, and even an IRC guide since the course gets a lot of new-ish students. 11:58:32 i guess it's an inevitability, if you want more than the <20 people in turku who are actually interested to be in the uni, you have to make courses easy enough to pass without any effort. 11:59:02 our student organization has an irc guide, and a channel, but that's really it 11:59:35 i'd love course irc channels... well, i'd love them if i wasn't the only one enthusiastic about memorizing the whole book and talking about it ;) 12:00:39 They are usually pretty quiet. 12:00:48 probably. 12:01:19 The AI course channel is active only during the programming project part, when people complain about bugs and what-they-think-to-be-bugs and even I-would-have-done-it-differently parts in the framework code provided. 12:01:52 yeah, that's also guessuble. 12:02:37 i'd like to talk about the actual subjects, my ideas, and stuff like that 12:03:11 ais523: you there? <--- I am now 12:03:14 what i'd like is a university full of geeks who have no life outside studying 12:03:16 unfortunately, you seem not to be 12:03:45 and a competitive atmosphere, where failing a course might make you drop off completely. 12:04:35 ais523: when was that highlight? 12:04:57 9-10 hours ago. 12:06:30 oklofok: I don't know, my bouncer records comments but not timestamps 12:06:32 the problem is, most people in the uni think it's the partying and being with friends part that's the gist of university, and since the courses are adjusted for the majority, they don't really have much of a challenge 12:06:35 and I can't be bothered to check the logs 12:06:42 ais523: understandable 12:06:47 however, I would have replied like that even if it had been 3 days ago 12:06:53 when was I last concious, anyway? 12:06:58 ais523: yes, me too, even if i saw the time stamp. 12:07:07 I've been either asleep or programming for the last 3 days it seems 12:07:12 asleep in the day, programming in the night 12:07:13 :O 12:07:17 coool 12:07:20 making it quite hard to get to an Internet connection 12:07:23 whatcha programming 12:07:36 I did a bit more of gcc-bf, but it's mostly been TAEB (a non-eso project) 12:07:50 i'm still interested 12:08:54 it's basically a bot for playing Nethack 12:09:02 just nethack? 12:09:05 yes, atm 12:09:17 I'm basically working away at a corner of someone else's project 12:09:23 they put me there to avoid me causing too much damage 12:09:29 :P 12:09:45 is it the same perl thing ehird linked? 12:09:50 yes 12:09:53 ah okay. 12:10:05 i was assuming you started from scratch, but made it more general 12:10:06 although I'm writing a different AI for the same framework 12:10:14 The Amazing E(?) Bot? 12:10:39 fizzie: i don't think ehird has contributed to the project 12:10:53 mine AI hardly Elbereths at all, I'm trying to make it as different as possible from the existing one 12:10:55 *my 12:11:33 oh elbereth. 12:11:41 "The E word." 12:11:49 was a bit of a leap of faith to think fizzie meant ehird :) 12:12:06 really the coke. 12:12:08 -> 12:12:09 Actually I meant "E-what? I don't know what this letter might mean." 12:12:15 unknown option --gelp - try gplc --help 12:14:16 oh, it stands for Tactical Amulet Extraction Bot 12:14:43 Sounds like an euphemism for A MURDER MACHINE. 12:14:57 ohh that's what you meant 12:15:30 wow, I'm wading through my email 12:15:42 and actually found a spam that I didn't guess was spam from the subject line 12:16:40 what was it? 12:16:59 From: "Kevin Griffin", subject line: "From Kevin Griffin" 12:17:11 the actual body of the email was blocked by my mailer settings 12:17:34 spammers do all sorts of clever tricks to try to send mail in a way the spam filters don't pick up on its contents 12:17:46 unfortunately, when they try that my mailer doesn't show me the contents either 12:18:02 (this is vaguely the same technique as setting your useragent to Googlebot) 12:38:07 -!- Mony has joined. 13:55:14 -!- Judofyr_ has joined. 13:57:02 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 14:00:54 -!- Judofyr_ has changed nick to Judofyr. 14:10:29 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:20:16 ais523: you there? <--- I am now 14:20:23 wb oerhan 14:20:28 *oerjan 14:20:42 just wanted to point out the recent wiki madness 14:20:51 that bad? I'm still reading email 14:21:03 * ais523 checks the wiki 14:22:51 time to use bot rollback on all that, I think 14:23:05 watch the as-yet-unreverted edits magically disappear from Recent Changes 14:23:51 yay 14:24:09 ugh, /how many/ spambots is that? 14:24:15 I'll have to write a script first, probably 14:24:20 or else be boring and use normal rollback 14:25:00 um, there were a few real edits too, last time i checked (before my ping this morning) 14:25:23 any from anons? 14:25:29 I'll look over the edit summaries first 14:25:35 hm i don't quite recall 14:25:37 ah yes, some legits 14:25:43 but I'm opening up all anons atm 14:26:16 but reverting everything from bots posting that specific subject should clean up a lot 14:26:39 FORM something 14:27:01 yes 14:27:08 er, FIELD_ 14:27:11 luckily, it seems to be the same sets of IPs over and over again 14:27:36 a few of those random nonsense subjects too 14:27:55 let me just check how to do bot rollback again, I know how to do it in theory but have never done it before 14:28:07 so I'm going to read up on it to make sure I get it right first time 14:29:04 before my last edit, only article creations should be unreverted, in case that helps 14:29:37 it's best if you don't revert for the time being 14:29:46 for, say, 20 mins or so 14:30:03 ok there are just a few new ones anyhow 14:30:10 relatively speaking 14:32:23 of course i wouldn't mind if you rolled back my reverts as well, would clean up a lot 14:32:52 i usually use the undo button 14:33:43 (actually, don't do that on Joke Language List, that was not spam) 14:33:54 I can't double-rollbacl 14:34:05 and I'm just rolling back stuff with suspicious edit summaries atm 14:34:16 oh 14:34:18 if someone posted a genuine FIELD_OTHER as a joke, revert me 14:34:57 i think there were some FIELD_MESSAGE in spams at one time 14:35:00 I'm going to block them all next 14:35:05 then I'll delete the spam pages 14:35:56 i don't think so. smjg used rvv for his revert subject, and i didn't change the undo subject 14:36:44 btw there are some spams that only use article section for subject 14:37:36 so you can revert reverts? is the whole lifetime of a wiki visible as a giant log? 14:37:42 yes, it is 14:37:51 oerjan: got them already, thanks 14:37:57 oklofok: except that admins can delete bits of it 14:38:04 ah 14:38:10 normally that's only for anti-copyvio, or whatever 14:38:19 ah okay 14:38:20 for regular spam like this normally I (or anyone else) just reverts 14:38:30 i did revert a copyvio the other day 14:38:31 except I delete the edit if it was the only edit to the page, just because that's easier in that ase 14:38:32 *case 14:39:58 (someone copied a hello world from Morgan-Mar's page, which had no license information) 14:41:34 ok, they're all blocked 14:41:37 now to clean up the mess 14:44:35 oerjan: does that look OK now? 14:45:11 all but one of the changes I reverted I hid from Recent Changes too to help unspam it a bit 14:45:23 but I can't hide the change-revert pairs reverted by other people 14:45:29 not easily, anyway 14:47:40 missed Adjudicated Blind Collaborative Design Esolang Factory 14:47:51 ok, what needs doing there? 14:48:05 the easiest way to spam 14:48:08 rollback the last spam 14:48:11 is to just write the spam like regular mail 14:48:12 :| 14:48:18 got it 14:48:26 the spammers have not yet figured that one out yet 14:48:34 and blocked 14:48:59 also, Talk:Multiprogramming 14:49:04 ehird: well, for me, they're trying to send me spam about revising clauses in contracts, that sort of thing 14:49:12 which might look like real mail to some people 14:49:23 Asztal: Er, I think you subscribed to agora-business by mistake. 14:49:41 got that one too 14:49:41 "the revised clauses are in this zip file, just open the .exe!" 14:50:12 Esolang:Wiki preservationhttp:/www.reactos.org/wiki/index.php/De/Häufig gestellte Fragen für Entwickler 14:50:24 that's a different sort of spam, isn't it? 14:50:37 not really 14:50:46 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Wiki_preservation <--- giving myself a link 14:50:47 well maybe a little 14:51:01 ah, I was erring on the side of not hitting anything legit 14:51:27 ais523: um that _was_ the link 14:51:27 but I don't see anything amiss there, you reverted them and I blocked the, 14:51:29 *them 14:51:31 or am I missing something? 14:51:46 oerjan: I wanted to go to the page, so I typed the URL in here 14:51:47 ais523: what i pasted was _just_ the link 14:51:49 so I could click on it 14:51:56 oerjan: I mean a link to the page 14:52:01 or was it a different page? 14:52:03 yes 14:52:06 Esolang:Wiki preservationhttp:/www.reactos.org/wiki/index.php/De/Häufig gestellte Fragen für Entwickler 14:52:10 all of it 14:52:21 oh 14:53:28 those last two were new creations 14:54:02 and I blocked the bot already 14:54:04 assuming i didn't miss anything during my last revert spurt, that should be all 14:54:17 so page deleted now 14:54:18 (i got some smjg missed) 14:54:30 let's hope they're out of IPs or zombies or proxies or whatever they're using 14:55:37 nah it's probably a million host sized botnet ;( 14:55:55 I can't blacklist edit summaries, you need graue to do that 14:56:45 see also smjg's message in Esolang talk:Community Portal 15:32:47 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 16:12:25 -!- sebbu has quit ("@+"). 16:18:02 -!- jix has joined. 16:26:56 -!- sebbu has joined. 16:30:15 -!- Asztal has quit ("."). 16:32:45 -!- jix has quit ("..."). 16:40:35 -!- Judofyr has quit. 17:54:41 -!- olsner has joined. 17:55:42 -!- M0ny has joined. 18:03:25 -!- Mony has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)). 18:30:54 -!- kar8nga has joined. 18:50:50 -!- Sgeo has joined. 18:55:23 ais523, hi 18:55:29 ais523, see /msg 18:55:39 away log of it that is 18:55:47 what did I say about pinging people in-channel about /msg :| 18:55:52 I already did, but I've forgotten already 18:56:25 ehird, wrong, it was about him not reading away log, since it affect IFFI build 18:56:36 hmm... in theory, a change to make the build system more portable shouldn't interfere too much with something that tries to use that build system 18:56:41 although it's nice to be updated with changes 18:56:50 that might affect the build system I haven't really written yet 18:57:10 AnMaster is clearly an acronym of AMnesiac. Well, almost. 18:57:18 er, anagram 18:57:30 y/tr/ic/ and it works 18:57:38 y/trM/icm/ if you want the case right 19:00:20 AMnesiac ? 19:00:25 wtf would that mean 19:01:00 AnMaster: you just forgot it 19:01:15 ah something like bad memory I guess 19:01:27 oerjan, also I hadn't forgot anything 19:01:33 it was ais523 who did 19:01:57 WHOOOOOOOOOOOSH 19:03:44 * ais523 reverts another spambot 19:03:52 I'm using admin bot-revert for the ones I see, as well as blocking 19:04:00 so the edits I revert get obliterated from Recent Changes 19:04:01 ais523, you too? Well for me not on wikipedia. 19:04:12 * AnMaster has spent a lot of time today editing on gentoo-wiki 19:04:20 with any luck that might make it at least slightly useful in the face of the current massive bot attack... 19:04:31 AnMaster: esolangs. actually,. 19:04:36 ah 19:04:41 ais523, what about blacklist? 19:04:49 AnMaster: I'm only a sysop, not server dev 19:04:59 iirc mediwiki has something like: MediaWiki:Spam Blacklist 19:05:01 or such? 19:05:11 that's for URLs 19:05:14 ah 19:05:15 the problem is they aren't spamming URLs 19:05:20 we have checks for that already 19:05:26 they're just spamming random ASCII garbage 19:05:33 which isn't even useful to them, AFAICT 19:05:39 ais523, FIELD_OTHER_* ? 19:05:47 I saw lots of that on another wiki the last few days 19:05:48 yep 19:05:59 would like to have a blacklist for it 19:06:58 ais523: no it is useful 19:06:59 perhaps there's a url but it's put into a completely stupid form field... 19:07:02 they check to see if the spamming works 19:07:10 and add it to their database 19:07:11 and stuff 19:07:16 so never detected 19:07:19 (like, come back a day later and check if it's still there) 19:07:29 then sell their db of spammable websites 19:07:39 ehird, ouch 19:07:40 ais523: there _was_ that case where the url got into the article name 19:07:50 for that newly created article 19:07:50 yes, but it was just a URL for another wiki... 19:08:01 oh? 19:08:06 yep 19:08:16 ehird, have you seen zuff recently btw? 19:08:25 no. 19:08:28 ah ok 19:08:28 he is dead. 19:08:31 I killed him with a fork. 19:08:32 he too? 19:08:33 and they are not the ones spamming us? 19:08:34 ouch 19:08:43 actually, just kidding 19:08:44 he's alive. 19:08:49 ehird, ah good 19:13:55 * oerjan notes ehird hiding a smoking beaker behind his back, with "Mr. Zuff formula" written on it 19:14:10 -!- ehird has changed nick to zuff. 19:14:24 ayeeh 20:16:19 -!- M0ny has quit ("Mouarf...."). 20:36:28 -!- olsner has quit ("Leaving"). 21:32:03 -!- jix has joined. 21:59:55 -!- kar8nga has left (?). 22:08:53 arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2008/12/18/littlebigplanet- 22:08:54 er 22:08:56 http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2008/12/18/littlebigplanet-used-to-create-32-cell-computer-game-of-life 22:09:36 hi zuff 22:09:38 :) 22:10:19 I see there are severe bouncer problems today, I was speaking to ehird on what looked like the same client before 22:10:34 maybe some buffer overflow or such= 22:10:35 ? 22:10:46 actually, I killed ehird a few hours ago. 22:10:50 I'm now using his computer. 22:10:56 oh right 22:10:58 zuff, why? 22:11:23 I used a fork! 22:11:25 -!- zuff has changed nick to ehird. 22:11:31 urrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggg 22:11:31 oh? 22:11:32 braiiiiiiiiiiiiiiins 22:11:35 zombieeeeeee 22:11:37 BRAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS 22:11:42 * ehird RIIIIIIIP 22:11:45 om nom nom nom nom nom nom 22:11:45 that is just silly 22:11:46 .. 22:11:48 BRAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS 22:11:52 -!- ehird has changed nick to zuff. 22:11:53 * oerjan swats ehird -----### 22:11:54 FUCKING FUCK 22:11:56 zombie attack 22:11:56 a zombie *typing* brains on irc 22:11:57 HOLY SHIT 22:11:58 what have I done 22:12:00 aag 22:12:01 darn to late 22:12:02 h 22:12:04 * zuff whack 22:12:06 poff 22:12:08 AOWWWWWWWW!! 22:12:12 YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 22:12:14 *bash* 22:12:16 plonk 22:12:18 a 22:12:20 donk 22:12:22 no no, you don't *type* that 22:12:22 **KSSSSSSSSSSSRFFFFFFT* 22:12:24 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 22:12:27 * zuff P L O N K 22:12:28 bash 22:12:30 you *say* it 22:12:32 YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 22:12:37 * zuff BOOF BASH BOOSH BAM 22:12:39 zuff, try zsh instead of bash 22:12:44 NO NO, MERCY! 22:12:47 I BEG FOR MERCY! 22:12:51 on irc? 22:12:54 ... 22:12:54 DON"T EAT MY BRrY*&YA&*RRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH\ 22:12:57 uuuuuuuurhhhhhhhhhhhh 22:13:00 braiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiins 22:13:03 BRAIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS 22:13:06 WANT BRAINS NOW 22:13:08 * oerjan swats zuff -----### 22:13:15 EAT OERJAN BRAINS 22:13:17 * AnMaster adds a 1 minute ignore 22:13:22 * zuff *SWBAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPT* 22:13:26 om nom nom nom nom nom nom 22:13:28 * oerjan hits zuff ====\___/ 22:13:29 mmmm. 22:13:33 BRAIIIIIIIIIINS 22:13:37 sigh 22:13:45 oerjan, I assume he didn't stop? 22:13:57 AnMaster: so sorry that you're allergic to fun 22:14:15 this requires automated warfare 22:14:18 zuff, no I'm not, I just agree with oerjan, you did too much 22:14:32 it was fun to begin with :P 22:14:34 AnMaster: oerjan was joking around far as I can tell. 22:14:39 also, what happened to the one minute ignore. 22:14:39 +ul ((====\___/ )S:^):^ 22:14:40 ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ...too much output! 22:14:49 oerjan, :D 22:15:09 +ul ((((====\___/ )S:^):^)S:^):^ 22:15:10 ((====\___/ )S:^):^((====\___/ )S:^):^((====\___/ )S:^):^((====\___/ )S:^):^((====\___/ )S:^):^((====\___/ )S:^):^((====\___/ )S:^):^((====\___/ )S:^):^ ...too much output! 22:15:23 +ul ((((====\___/ )S:^):^)^:^):^ 22:15:23 ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ====\___/ ...too much output! 22:15:24 fortunately zombies cannot program 22:15:28 oops 22:15:31 oerjan, :D 22:15:33 heh 22:15:33 oerjan: shut up; I ate your brain 22:15:49 also, zombies are lousy at anatomy 22:16:04 oerjan, ah so that is why you are missing one toe? 22:16:07 I see 22:16:10 might be 22:16:23 oh no, my toesies 22:16:29 hah 22:16:41 it's the bathtub monster from Rose is Rose 22:17:43 btw 22:18:16 anyone know a good music player for linux that supports cddb and isn't xine? Not Gnome 22:18:28 KDE is ok, so is more lightweight stuff 22:18:51 also: supports editing cddb info 22:19:01 since these cds I'm listening to atm are not in cddb 22:19:19 AnMaster: cddb is awful 22:19:22 xine supports fetching cddb info but not adding and uploading 22:19:22 use musicbrainz.org 22:19:29 the tags are of impeccable quality. 22:19:47 -!- Asztal has joined. 22:20:08 also, don't you mean freedb? 22:20:14 cddb is propietrary and closed. 22:20:22 [is now, at least] 22:20:30 zuff, well, whatever, I want to see the titles on this "Kända klassiska musikstycken - Skymningsljus" ~ "Famous classical music - Music for Dusk" 22:20:38 well non-perfect translation 22:20:40 look it up on MB 22:20:53 zuff, what id or checksum is used for that? 22:20:57 zuff, and yes I meant freedb 22:21:22 I don't recall; download their picard tagger and take a look? 22:21:25 iirc it's foss 22:21:31 http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PicardDownload 22:22:12 very interesting, cd-info reports info from freedb for it 22:22:15 but xine doesn't 22:22:23 usually xine reports it just fine 22:22:30 I'd recommend mpd; but you'd have to rip to flac or sth. 22:22:44 If I was a troll--which I am--I would recommend iTunes. 22:22:59 zuff, I want to play from the cd 22:23:06 iTunes can play from the CD :-P 22:23:10 I have no intention to transfer it to the computer 22:23:16 ah amarok, looks interesting 22:23:19 may be worth trying 22:23:22 Amarok is nice. 22:23:26 on another thing, it should have a NORMAL GUI 22:23:28 A bit bloated though. 22:23:31 it shouldn't look like themed 22:23:38 it should just look like any GUI app 22:23:48 you know, i'm not very inclined to help when you state your demands like that 22:23:49 xine tries to look like a music player of some sort 22:23:51 and fails 22:24:00 it uses a custom font 22:24:03 to look digital 22:24:06 Yes, I know. 22:24:08 fails on åäö 22:24:14 just totally fails on it 22:24:17 Yes, yes. 22:24:25 but I will try amarok 22:24:29 err spelling 22:24:39 ah yes correct spelling 22:24:40 AnMaster: Why not use one of the command-line cd players? 22:24:59 zuff, mplayer? hm may be worth trying 22:25:09 it works but I would like to see the titles 22:25:09 +ul ((:^~:*a~a*~!:^^^)((.)S)):^^^ 22:25:16 brb 22:25:28 AnMaster: Eh; I'd hack up a script that uses MusicBrainz and mplayer or something. 22:25:31 ......... ...too much memory used! 22:25:32 VLC does CDDB and has a "normal" GUI. 22:25:34 Why don't you want to rip the cd? 22:25:46 (Actually, I lie; I'd use iTunes.) 22:26:07 (Well, according to the feature list it does CDDB, anyway; haven't tried it.) 22:30:18 +ul ((:^~:a*~a*~!:^^^)((.)S)):^^^ 22:30:25 fizzie, hm thanks 22:30:44 . ...too much memory used! 22:30:53 zuff, as for not ripping them, there are 20 of them, and I agree with thutubot 22:30:57 when it comes to disk space 22:31:07 5 GB free 22:31:11 damn svn checkouts :P 22:31:20 AnMaster: an album ripped losslessly is about 300mb or so. 22:31:32 so, 6gb 22:31:35 * zuff shrugs 22:31:40 Thank the lord for large harddrives. 22:31:48 +ul (::S^)::S^ 22:31:49 ::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^::S^ ...too much output! 22:33:23 +ul (:::SaS^):::SaS^ 22:33:24 :::SaS^(:::SaS^):::SaS^(:::SaS^):::SaS^(:::SaS^):::SaS^(:::SaS^):::SaS^(:::SaS^):::SaS^(:::SaS^):::SaS^(:::SaS^):::SaS^(:::SaS^):::SaS^(:::SaS^):::SaS^(:::SaS^) ...too much output! 22:33:31 +ul (:::aSS^):::aSS^ 22:33:32 (:::aSS^):::aSS^(:::aSS^):::aSS^(:::aSS^):::aSS^(:::aSS^):::aSS^(:::aSS^):::aSS^(:::aSS^):::aSS^(:::aSS^):::aSS^(:::aSS^):::aSS^(:::aSS^):::aSS^(:::aSS^):::aSS^ ...too much output! 22:33:39 Infinite quine! 22:33:49 Hmm. 22:33:59 fizzie: hey, that's a program that writes out an infinite-length quine 22:33:59 :D 22:36:37 wow vlc have lots of useflags 22:36:49 must be a great software then ~~~ 22:37:02 (oh yes, php has even more, and we all know it is great right?) 22:37:12 oh btw: 22:37:13 [ebuild N ] media-video/vlc-0.9.8a USE="X alsa cddb dbus dvd fbcon ffmpeg flac fontconfig gnutls libgcrypt libnotify mmx mp3 mpeg musepack ncurses nsplugin ogg opengl png qt4 rtsp sdl sse stream svg theora truetype vorbis xv -a52 -aac -aalib (-altivec) -arts -atmo -avahi -bidi -cdda -cdio -dc1394 -debug -dirac -directfb -dts -dvb -esd -fluidsynth -ggi -gnome -hal -httpd -id3tag -jack -kate -libas 22:37:13 s -libcaca -libsysfs -libv4l2 -lirc -live -lua -matroska -modplug -optimisememory -oss -pulseaudio -pvr -remoteosd -run-as-root -samba -schroedinger -sdl-image -seamonkey -shout -skins -speex (-svga) -taglib -twolame -upnp -v4l -v4l2 -vcd -vcdinfo -vcdx -vlm (-win32codecs) -x264 -xinerama -xml -xosd -zvbi" 16,640 kB 22:37:22 thank you. we all needed to see that. 22:38:03 zuff, really? Wow 22:38:07 infinite quines are trivial 22:38:32 that's something one discovers the first time attempting to make a quine 22:38:34 at least i did 22:38:48 well yeah 22:38:53 but it's a trivial infinite-quine-maker 22:39:02 well i didn't read context :) 22:39:11 but ohh. 22:39:22 yeah okay thazz niec 22:39:26 ima go read my book now 22:39:29 so have the fun 22:40:09 hm... 22:40:09 -!- psygnisfive has quit ("Leaving..."). 22:41:55 +ul ()(~(S)*:Sa~:^):^ 22:41:55 S(S)S((S)S)S(((S)S)S)S((((S)S)S)S)S(((((S)S)S)S)S)S((((((S)S)S)S)S)S)S(((((((S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S((((((((S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S(((((((((S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S((((((((((S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S ...too much output! 22:42:09 bah 22:42:19 +ul (())(~(S)*:Sa~:^):^ 22:42:20 ()S(()S)S((()S)S)S(((()S)S)S)S((((()S)S)S)S)S(((((()S)S)S)S)S)S((((((()S)S)S)S)S)S)S(((((((()S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S((((((((()S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S(((((((((()S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S)S ...too much output! 22:43:34 that's a (trivial infinite quine) maker 22:43:53 :D 22:44:06 night 22:44:14 * AnMaster gets a normal portable cd player 22:44:21 if I can find it 22:44:25 I have one somewhere 22:44:33 no not mp3, I mean portable cd player, old thing 22:44:45 [sum] [length] di / 22:44:47 factor is nice 22:46:59 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 22:50:46 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 22:50:59 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 22:51:38 * zuff commits piracy 22:51:49 **intellectual property infringement 22:51:54 an easy typo 22:53:11 * oerjan commits murder 22:53:15 **loud snickering 22:53:19 another one 22:53:49 * zuff rapes a thousand kittens 22:53:51 **babies 22:53:57 slip of the fingers 22:54:15 * oerjan is thrilled with joy 22:54:17 **horror 22:56:15 hmm, I wonder if this OS X 10.5 image will fit on the dvd-rs i have. 22:56:39 **child porn 22:56:43 (just helping) 22:56:53 **dying 22:57:14 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 22:58:03 the trouble with escalation is that it escalates 22:59:06 **eats your firstborn 22:59:48 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:01:14 woop woop, I shall have my illegal OS copy in around 20 hours. 23:01:31 well, i'll put it off overnight 23:01:37 so it'll be a bit longer 23:01:44 ooh, now it's 7 hours left. that's nice 23:04:11 3 hours. 23:04:38 this time dilation stuff always freaks me out 23:05:19 :D 23:07:08 2 hours. 23:10:00 zuff, why would you talk about getting an illegal copy of an OS publicly? 23:10:10 Sgeo: Why not? 23:10:50 Morally, I don't give the concept of IP much weight, and Apple aren't exactly poor atm. Realistically, it's not as if they employ people to trawl through IRC logs looking for pirates to prosecute. 23:10:57 Justification-ly, I'm bored. 23:14:06 Are there ways to trash WinXP that don't work in Win98? 23:58:11 Ooh, I should markup the USA Constitution in nice HTML and mess with its typography. But i'm not a US citizen. :P