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00:08:21 <Ilari> Sgeo: Run some .EXEs sent in mail or that some websites want to push to you... Many of them likely don't work in Win98, but they trash WinXP real good... :->
00:16:28 <Ilari> Sgeo: Run enough of them and the CPU/Memory load will bring system operation to standstill.
00:16:49 <Sgeo> Don't want standstill. Want strange effects I can take pictures of
00:20:17 <Ilari> There aren't much interesting effects beside bluescreens... Win98 (at least it is in Win95, because I have seen it with that) would have had interesting one that isn't in WinXP.
00:21:48 <zuff> idea: a vm which has its email posted everywhere. whenever it gets a program in the email, it runs it
00:21:50 <zuff> :D
00:23:39 <Sgeo> http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/3161/pid0killstartmenuse0.png
00:23:56 <Sgeo> Note the lack of a Shut Down button
00:24:31 <zuff> Sgeo: run tons of viruses on it
00:46:01 <Asztal> no shutdown button is because you killed lsass.exe, I think
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00:49:30 <Ilari> And canceled the auto-shutdown (IIRC, lsass.exe dying triggers it)? :-)
00:49:33 <Asztal> although to my memory that usually causes a timed shutdown in 30 seconds
00:49:41 <Sgeo> Ilari, yes, killing lsass triggered autoshutdown
00:49:44 <Sgeo> Which I disabled
00:50:17 <Asztal> can you actually do *anything* that requires authentication now?
00:50:48 <Sgeo> Well, right now I'm trying another destroyery thing
00:51:28 <Ilari> Sgeo: AFAIK, the auto-shutdown can also be canceled.
00:51:36 <Sgeo> Ilari, yes, I know, with shutdown 0a
00:51:38 <Sgeo> erm
00:51:40 <Sgeo> shutdown -a
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02:21:03 <Ilari> http://xkcd.com/350/
02:59:27 <MizardX> Hmm... A virus that gradually converts Windows XP/Vista binaries into some Linux distribution... Programs stop functioning one after one, and after a reboot you suddenly see a Linux login-prompt instead of a Windows-one.
03:01:44 <GregorR> OK, I'm am SO FEKKING CLEVER
03:01:56 <GregorR> I suggested that a friend of mine sign his emails with this "name": x ∈ S s.t. ∀y∈S x ≥ y
03:02:02 <GregorR> Can anybody identify his real name? :)
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03:02:28 <MizardX> max?
03:02:34 <GregorR> Yup!
03:17:09 <Slereah_> Well, last day to finish that fucking assignment.
03:17:25 <Slereah_> If Mathematica can't get it right, I'll have to do it by hand.
03:17:40 <GregorR> Man, you have a fucking assignment? What school do /you/ go to?
03:18:33 <Slereah_> Well, it counts for my exams
03:18:34 <pikhq> Assignment? Jeeze.
03:18:40 * pikhq got done with finals today.
03:19:00 <pikhq> I've perhaps not been all that smart about finals week; I've gotten maybe 6 hours of sleep this week...
03:19:12 <Slereah_> Heh.
03:20:08 <pikhq> *shrug* Sleep's hard when you're panicking.
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03:20:59 <Slereah_> Well, the convolution of four square signals to compute.
03:21:02 <Slereah_> Let's do it.
03:21:23 <Slereah_> Don't let me down Mathematica!
03:24:23 <Slereah_> Well, no dice.
03:24:33 <Slereah_> 5 hours to finish that shit by hand.
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05:51:51 <evincer> 'lo.
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05:52:54 <daffa> Anyone alive?
05:54:55 <Slereah_> No
05:55:03 <Slereah_> Aaaaaargh*
05:55:05 <Slereah_> I4m dead
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05:57:52 <daffa> Gee, that sucks.
05:58:16 <daffa> How's the esoteric programming world beyond the grave?
05:58:51 <SpaceMan_> are you alone
05:59:04 <Slereah_> We program in ghostfuck
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06:00:58 <daffa> whitespace + brainfuck = ghostfuck ?
06:01:09 <daffa> Have we an idea on our hands?
06:01:15 <daffa> I think we just might.
06:01:19 * daffa cracks his fingers.
06:01:23 <daffa> Time to get coding.
06:01:41 <Slereah_> Meh.
06:01:51 <Slereah_> It would just be a brainfuck with different symbols
06:02:00 <daffa> Not necessarily.
06:02:23 <daffa> Ah, whatever.
06:02:29 <daffa> bf variants have been done to death.
06:02:31 <daffa> ...
06:02:34 <daffa> If you'll pardon the pun.
06:03:42 <Slereah_> Heh.
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06:56:34 <psygnisfive> heys
07:02:06 <Slereah_> hey
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07:14:10 <daffa> Hate to miss out on the lively conversation, but it's time for me to catch some winks.
07:14:19 <daffa> Later all.
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07:29:41 <psygnisfive> so
07:30:03 <psygnisfive> i have the desire to experiment with self assembling structures
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07:41:45 <psygnisfive> in a sort of self-assembling-that-computers sort of way
07:42:41 <psygnisfive> that-computes**
07:44:20 <Slereah_> Compute her?
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07:44:23 <Slereah_> I hardly know her!
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08:15:43 <psygnisfive> well hopefully hardly. it'd be pretty boring if it were soft!
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15:37:14 <AnMaster> Deewiant: btw funge 108 was actually a code name for funge 109
15:37:16 <AnMaster> or something
15:37:18 <AnMaster> just FYI
15:37:22 <Deewiant> suuuure
15:37:27 <Deewiant> ;-)
15:37:49 <AnMaster> since I had so much to do this fall and winter, will have more free time next year actually
15:38:43 <AnMaster> or lets do like C/C++ standards: Funge-10x
15:38:45 <AnMaster> hm
15:38:50 <AnMaster> that still leaves just one year
15:40:58 <fizzie> Funge-1xx.
15:41:09 <AnMaster> fizzie, now that is too imprecise
15:41:14 <fizzie> Then you can wait a hundred years before releasing the next revision.
15:41:28 <fizzie> Funge-1[0-2]\d, maybe.
15:41:59 <AnMaster> Funge-1[01][:digit:]
15:42:02 <AnMaster> rather
15:42:17 <fizzie> Funge-[:digit:]+ -- the eternal specification.
15:42:24 <fizzie> Er, [[:digit:]], I mean.
15:42:33 <AnMaster> hm
15:42:45 <ehird> we need Delicious Funge. oklopol!
15:42:48 <fizzie> The [:foo:] classes work only inside []s, I think.
15:43:01 <AnMaster> fizzie, hm ok, I hardly ever use them
15:43:09 <AnMaster> Funge-1[01][[:digit:]]
15:43:13 <AnMaster> in that case
15:44:25 <ehird> wonderful; the os x I pirated is a shitty osx86 clusterfuck
15:44:27 <Deewiant> why [:digit:] instead of [0-9]
15:44:29 <ehird> "Thirds_Applications (will be installed in /applications/KOOLSOFTS/) "
15:44:31 <ehird> i cannot wait.
15:45:47 <fizzie> Deewiant: I had prepared a reply saying I'd use (in order of preference) \d and even [0-9] over [[:digit:]], but that in such a silly use as this [[:digit:]] might be appropriate. But I got bored halfway through writing that reply-
15:46:04 <AnMaster> hah
15:46:15 <AnMaster> fizzie, you wrote it however ^
15:46:20 <AnMaster> just when you said you didn't
15:46:31 <fizzie> Yes, when Deewiant went and brough the point up.
15:46:45 <AnMaster> ah
15:47:05 <AnMaster> there is one use for those classes however
15:47:11 <AnMaster> l10n
15:47:20 <AnMaster> and/or i18n
15:47:32 <AnMaster> at least for classes like: [:lower:]
15:47:47 <AnMaster> where åäö also belongs in Swedish for example, but not in English
15:47:51 <ehird> yay, 4 days 3 hours remaining.
15:47:53 <ehird> how nice.
15:48:02 <AnMaster> ehird, count down to xmas?
15:48:12 <ehird> No, count down to this download supposedly finishing. :-P
15:48:17 <AnMaster> ah
15:48:27 <AnMaster> yeah it is like  5 days left I think
15:48:35 <ehird> 6.
15:48:42 <AnMaster> depends
15:48:53 <AnMaster> in Sweden it is on the 24th
15:48:55 <AnMaster> :P
15:49:18 <AnMaster> but yes 6 in UK
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15:49:52 <ehird> goddammit, all I want to do is pirate an operating system. is that too much to ask. (yes)
15:50:33 <AnMaster> ehird, what OS is it?
15:51:18 <ehird> OS X 10.5. 10.6 is barely changed and out next year and I'll be being that legitly, but this machine is hopelessly out of date and I don't feel like giving steve jobs ~£50
15:52:38 * AnMaster refrains from commenting on the price of new versions of certain other OS.
15:53:18 * ehird refrains going into a month-long rant about why I'd rather pay than deal with the various annoyances of linux/bsd.
15:53:55 <ehird> also
15:54:01 <AnMaster> hm how much does OS X cost? cheaper than Windows?
15:54:02 <AnMaster> or not
15:54:04 * ehird intentionally misconstrues as meaning Vista and talks about how vista sucks
15:54:12 * ehird watches you then react in a manner not getting the joke
15:54:18 <ehird> AnMaster: I think so.
15:54:23 <ehird> not certain.
15:54:39 <AnMaster> I do get the joke
15:54:59 <AnMaster> also there are loads of other OS you could misinterpret it as
15:55:02 * ehird makes microsoft think he wants to buy Vista, and chooses one of the 5,000 versions
15:55:15 <AnMaster> Solaris, QNX, CP/M, PC-DOS...
15:55:16 <ehird> "yes, I want to buy Help end AIDS in Africa"
15:55:24 <ehird> "no, I want to buy windows dammit"
15:55:50 <AnMaster> heh, how many versions of windows are there actually?
15:56:02 <AnMaster> iirc there are two OS X versions, normal and server
15:56:18 <fizzie> I think it was 129 EUR in Apple Store, although there's some sort of trick where ADC (Apple Developer Connection) student membership is cheaper than that and still includes an OS X copy.
15:56:21 <AnMaster> windows xp, hm, home, pro, and 2003 server
15:56:31 <AnMaster> oh and different languages
15:57:05 <AnMaster> as for vista, tons
15:57:12 <ehird> AnMaster: yeah, just two
15:57:22 <ehird> and the server one appears to be more useful as a computation cluster OS than a server one.
15:57:37 <AnMaster> oh I think windows server exist in more than one version?
15:57:42 <AnMaster> like "domain controller edition"
15:57:44 <ehird> WINDOWS VISTA HOME BASIC WITH SERVICE PACK 1
15:57:52 <AnMaster> or is that part of the basic windows server
15:57:54 <ehird> still doesn't want to tell me how much it costs.
15:58:17 * AnMaster googles
15:58:19 <AnMaster> Shopping results for windows vista price
15:58:19 <AnMaster> Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate w/SP1 - 1 PC$170 to $271 - 231 stores
15:58:19 <AnMaster> Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium - 1 PC$103 to $139 - 38 stores
15:58:19 <AnMaster> Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate - 1 PC$158 to $280 - 93 stores
15:58:30 * ehird looks up Leopard price
15:58:31 <AnMaster> shrug
15:58:37 <fizzie> There are "just" five "common" Vista editions (Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, Enterprise, Ultimate), the rest are things like "with SPx" and other not-so-relevant distinctions.
15:58:49 <AnMaster> Alive Leopard - priceless
15:58:55 <AnMaster> ;)
15:58:57 <ehird> AnMaster: leopard is $129
15:59:02 <fizzie> And specialities like "Windows Vista Starter" which has that "can only run three applications simultaneously" restriction.
15:59:08 <AnMaster> Mac OS X Leopard - 1 user$110 to $150 - 11 stores
15:59:09 <AnMaster> Mac OS X Leopard$14.26 - 30 stores
15:59:09 <AnMaster> wtf?
15:59:16 <ehird> AnMaster: lol wat
15:59:24 <AnMaster> ehird, google said it
15:59:28 <AnMaster> Shopping results for leopard price
15:59:28 <AnMaster> Mac OS X Leopard - 1 user$110 to $150 - 11 stores
15:59:28 <AnMaster> Mac OS X Leopard$14.26 - 30 stores
15:59:29 <ehird> anyway, so, leopard = midrange cost of Home Premium
15:59:37 <ehird> AnMaster: probably some program or sth
15:59:42 <ehird> google isn't perfect
15:59:47 <fizzie> The 14.26 price is for the media.
15:59:50 <AnMaster> ehird, and a much more competent OS than windows *
16:00:10 <AnMaster> I would much rather use OS X than Windows, though I prefer Linux even more
16:00:14 <fizzie> It says "Media, Multi-Country, DVD-ROM, pricing: Volume" for that, "complete package" for something you'd actually buy.
16:00:32 <AnMaster> fizzie, heh
16:01:46 <ehird> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Windows_Longhorn_logo.svg Also known as "Windows Phallus"
16:01:50 <fizzie> There were four versions of Windows 2000, of which three were "Server" versions (Professional, Server, Advanced Server, Datacenter Server) but I think it got more complicated after that.
16:02:35 <ehird> AnMaster: Of course, every OS is free if you obtain it via the interwebs. :P
16:03:25 <fizzie> According to infallible Wikipedia, for Windows Server 2008 the editions are: Standard, Enterprise, Datacenter, HPC Server, Web Server, Storage Server, Small Business Server, Essential Business Server.
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16:04:09 <ehird> I wonder when Microsoft will die.
16:05:06 <ehird> http://www.biscade.com/office/ Hahaha wow.
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16:09:18 <AnMaster> ehird, heh
16:09:36 <ehird> 2 days remaining. sigh
16:17:07 <ehird> http://msexchangeteam.com/
16:17:10 <ehird> M Sex Change Team
16:17:37 <Slereah> Reminds me of that kid store
16:17:44 <Slereah> KIDSEXCHANGE
16:17:51 <ehird> heh
16:18:13 <AnMaster> hos stupid, they should use a space or a -
16:18:31 <Slereah> Or the mole station nursery.
16:18:41 <ehird> AnMaster: or not care, because only immature idiots like me notice
16:18:47 <ehird> also, you can't use a space in a domain name.
16:18:49 <Slereah> Their web adress is misleading
16:18:59 <AnMaster> ehird, indeed, unless you had written it out I wouldn't have seen it
16:19:01 <AnMaster> and indeed
16:19:04 <Slereah> Or Ferreth and jobs
16:19:05 <AnMaster> but - is possible
16:19:14 <ehird> yeah they should disambiguiate
16:19:17 <ehird> m-sex-change-team.com
16:19:23 <Slereah> OR SPEED OF ART
16:19:33 <AnMaster> ehird, indeed
16:19:43 <ehird> AnMaster: i hope you got that
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16:20:05 <AnMaster> ehird, I saw it after you pasted it first time "<ehird> M Sex Change Team"
16:20:15 <ehird> yes, but the clarified domain was a joke.
16:20:25 <AnMaster> indeed
16:20:34 <AnMaster> not very funny though
16:20:52 <AnMaster> also: the dirt is in the eye of the beholder
16:20:53 <AnMaster> ;P
16:20:59 <Slereah> Hm.
16:21:04 <Slereah> Delicious dirt in my eyes.
16:21:21 <AnMaster> famous English idiom
16:21:22 <Slereah> I wonder if I can tattoo porn directly into my eye
16:21:33 <AnMaster> Slereah, probably not
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16:28:27 <ehird> Bah; this download is fruitless.
16:29:38 <Slereah> Is it a download of carrots?
16:29:48 <ehird> no/
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16:36:22 <oklopol> ooooooooooooo
16:37:14 <oklopol> "no/" looks like one hardcore partydude
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16:41:09 <fizzie> I have a vague notion that Experts Exchange also used to have expertsexchange.com before the current experts-exchange.com.
16:41:58 <ehird> yes
16:43:35 <fizzie> And the "who represents?" site seems to still be at whorepresents.com.
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16:51:08 <ehird> http://sungazing.com/
16:51:31 <oklopol> ugh... thats nasty
16:51:39 <ehird> wat
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16:57:41 <oklopol> ehird: you know what i mean.
16:57:48 <oklopol> anyway that's pretty cool, i'm so game too
16:59:35 <fizzie> Strange sort of disclaimer. "Do A. Disclaimer: never do A."
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17:03:44 <oklopol> hi oerjan
17:04:15 <oerjan> hello oklorific one
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17:20:44 <ehird> hjghjg
17:21:10 <oerjan> oh no, the random word spammers have successfully cracked ehird
17:21:37 <ehird> stupid slow torrent
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17:33:32 * ehird considers installing shitty pirated one.
17:36:14 <oerjan> http://www.mezzacotta.net/owls/
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18:27:29 <AnMaster> Deewiant, oh btw, last cfunge bzr has DATE now
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18:46:07 <ehird> lurvely. the copy wouldn't eject
18:46:22 <ehird> somebody buy me osx leopard kplz
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20:24:47 <oklopol> oooooooooooooo!
20:25:00 <oklopol> how's it?
20:25:25 <Slereah> What is "it"?
20:26:29 <oklopol> answering with a question is like asking and providing the answer yourself, except completely reversed, but still pretty stupid.
20:27:33 <Slereah> So, you don't know what "it" is?
20:27:44 <oklopol> ...well no
20:27:54 <oklopol> LISTEN I NEED TO GO NOW, SO.
20:27:55 <oklopol> ->
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20:55:57 <GregorR> moozilla: The only web browser for cows.
20:56:25 <oklopol> :DDDDD
20:56:52 <oklopol> YOU SHOULD DO STAND-UP
20:57:00 <lament> get up stand up
20:57:03 <lament> stand up for your right
20:57:16 <oklopol> to moo
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21:46:38 <psygnisfive> oklopol
21:48:53 <oklopol> psygnisfive
21:49:05 <psygnisfive> wanna experiment with self organizing mechanisms? :o
21:49:29 <Slereah> Is it an euphemism?
21:49:33 <psygnisfive> no
21:49:44 <Slereah> Could it be?
21:49:50 <psygnisfive> do you want it to be?
21:49:51 <oklopol> i actually want to start coding my c++ course project, but i may want that too
21:49:55 <Slereah> Yes.
21:49:57 <Slereah> Yes I do
21:50:11 <psygnisfive> ok
21:50:14 <psygnisfive> oklopol
21:50:16 <oklopol> psygnisfive: i'm listening, anyway.
21:50:20 <psygnisfive> wanna have hot sticky gritty mansex?
21:50:30 <psygnisfive> and by that i mean experiment with self organizing mechanisms
21:50:31 <Slereah> Why the grit?
21:50:41 <lament> what grit?
21:50:44 <psygnisfive> because grittiness is manly
21:50:51 <lament> not if it's like 1200 grit
21:50:59 <Slereah> But you like sissy boys, you faggot.
21:51:01 <lament> 100 grit is manly
21:51:39 <psygnisfive> i dont like sissy boys
21:51:40 <oklopol> psygnisfive: interesting question
21:51:56 <psygnisfive> if i did, i'd like you, slereah!
21:52:03 <Slereah> I have a beard.
21:52:15 <Slereah> Also you sure have a lot of sissy boys on your website!
21:52:24 <oklopol> i have a small kid's beard.
21:52:29 <psygnisfive> you mean on /mg/?
21:52:42 <psygnisfive> or in my WNW links?
21:53:05 <oklopol> psygnisfive: whenever you're ready to elaborate...
21:53:10 <lament> gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
21:53:14 <Slereah> WNW?
21:53:49 <psygnisfive> wellnowwhat.net
21:54:00 <psygnisfive> oklopol: well, first you insert your penis into my mouth and-..
21:54:11 <Slereah> On wnw
21:54:24 <Slereah> prettyboy.jpg :o
21:54:41 <psygnisfive> i was thinking we could look initially at getting some self assembling simulated objects. figure out some principles of how to get that to work
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21:54:55 <psygnisfive> prettyboy.jpg is natalie/kitten
21:55:16 <psygnisfive> im not so much attracted to him as to his cock. hes too feminine like that.
21:55:24 <psygnisfive> but natalie's cock is adooorable
21:55:30 <Slereah> Yyyyyyyyes.
21:55:35 <Slereah> Why not.
21:56:36 <psygnisfive> why am i not attracted to him?
21:56:54 <Slereah> It's not a question.
21:57:11 <psygnisfive> what's it a response to??
21:58:04 <Slereah> "I am not gay for his sissy faggotry but I fap to his cock"
21:58:27 <psygnisfive> well it IS a nice cock
21:58:28 <oklopol> psygnisfive: in response to the thing sandwiched between all the penises and cocks, i'm all for getting objects and figuring principles
21:58:28 <psygnisfive> lets be honest
21:58:30 <psygnisfive> and a nice body
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21:58:46 <Slereah> Hey >:|
21:58:49 <oklopol> i'm just not sure what you mean by self-assembling objects, what context?
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21:58:51 <Slereah> You forgot the link to the logs
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21:59:40 <psygnisfive> oklopol: more abstract, actually. im more interested in general principles of how to get parts to self organize into a particular kind of structure based on the nature of the parts themselves
22:01:11 <oklopol> psygnisfive: would this all be in somekinda physics simulation, or what exactly?
22:01:22 <oklopol> i'm still not entirely sure what kind of objects we're talking about.
22:01:40 <lament> cocks, obviously?
22:01:47 <psygnisfive> dunno. it could whatever. like i said, im more interested in the abstract principles, so we can design it however we want.
22:02:03 <psygnisfive> also, btw, can 1-dimensional CAs be TC?
22:02:12 <ehird> uh, yes.
22:02:14 <ehird> r30.
22:02:14 <Slereah> Yes.
22:02:19 <Slereah> RULE 110 BITCH
22:02:19 <ehird> or 101
22:02:20 <ehird> w/e
22:02:22 <ehird> err
22:02:23 <ehird> 110
22:02:25 <psygnisfive> ok.
22:02:27 <psygnisfive> 110 is TC?
22:02:30 <Slereah> Yes.
22:02:39 <Slereah> Also color inversions
22:02:42 <psygnisfive> huh.. i didnt know that :D
22:03:05 <oklopol> how can you not know that
22:03:15 <psygnisfive> never bothered to consider it
22:03:25 <psygnisfive> now what about 0 dimnsional automata :O
22:03:28 <oklopol> and 30 hasn't been proved tc no matter how many times ehird suggests it
22:03:39 <oklopol> psygnisfive: depends on what you mean by that
22:03:50 <oklopol> given an infinite set of values for a cell, trivially.
22:03:51 <Slereah> A 0 dimensional automata either blinks or stay static
22:03:51 <psygnisfive> single celled
22:04:01 <psygnisfive> oklopol: yes, obviously infinite valued
22:04:31 <oklopol> psygnisfive: you can encode an infinite amount of finites in a finite amount of infinites
22:05:59 <psygnisfive> but would you be able to make it TC? you might need an infinite number of control states, and TMs are FSAs with a tape
22:06:25 <Slereah> Define "cellular automaton" for 0D, too
22:06:25 <psygnisfive> could you make the single-celled CA have a FSA controller? i wonder
22:06:30 <Slereah> What kind of rules can it have?
22:06:36 <oklopol> you'll need an infinite amount of rules to effectively have infinite values for a cell
22:06:44 <psygnisfive> would you tho
22:06:55 <oklopol> and with infinite code, ifs are enough to do anything.
22:07:00 <psygnisfive> you can simply have rules that multiple and divide and add and subtract and still get infinite values
22:07:12 <oklopol> without infinite code, you essentially have a finite amount of cell values
22:07:13 <psygnisfive> but thats sort of assuming extra computational mechanisms
22:11:26 <psygnisfive> rule 110 is neat
22:11:34 <psygnisfive> it has what look like elementary particles :O
22:12:00 <Slereah> Indeed it does
22:12:11 <Slereah> But really, I am gay for the game of life
22:12:31 <oklopol> Slereah: so, thinking of specializing in ca physics?
22:12:52 <psygnisfive> wolfram, i think, believes the universe is a CA
22:13:32 <Slereah> oklopol : Nah.
22:13:46 <Slereah> I'm also gay for gays, but I'm not into men physics
22:13:51 <oklopol> psygnisfive: yes, he suggests it's based on graph rewriting
22:14:00 <psygnisfive> the universe? graph rewriting? hmm
22:14:15 <psygnisfive> any examples of this online? my copy of nks is in florida
22:14:38 <oklopol> particles are gliders in the massive graph, long-distance forces are connections too narrow for the gliders to pass through, he has a lot of fun ideas abou it
22:14:40 <oklopol> *about
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22:15:28 <Slereah> Maybe I should give it a thought
22:15:36 <Slereah> Although I'm not sure I can get a class on that
22:17:05 <oklopol> also he says it's probably expressable in five lines of mathematica code
22:17:20 <Slereah> Well, it might be.
22:17:30 <Slereah> Physics can be really broken down a lot.
22:17:52 <Slereah> Example : http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Divers/LUR.jpg
22:17:54 <Slereah> SCIENCE!
22:17:54 <lament> rule 110 generator:
22:17:55 <lament> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Weltereproduktionsklavier.jpg
22:18:08 <psygnisfive> if you're a unificationist, the universe should be expressible in a single one inch long equation!
22:18:28 <Slereah> Well, even if you're not, I think.
22:18:41 <Slereah> Here's a trick : If you have equation A and equation B.
22:18:43 <lament> cock = -vagina
22:18:48 <Slereah> The axiom should be A /\ B
22:18:49 <Slereah> :D
22:19:51 <psygnisfive> lol
22:20:03 <Slereah> Of course, it might not be as pretty
22:20:03 <psygnisfive> that's not really a mathematical expression tho, thats a logical one. :P
22:20:09 <Slereah> Same thing
22:20:17 <Slereah> You can express it mathematically
22:20:21 <Slereah> Godel and all that
22:20:21 <psygnisfive> eh not really. domain/range differences
22:20:31 <psygnisfive> plus, thats really grungy and inelegant
22:20:42 <Slereah> Well, elegance is another thing.
22:20:50 <Slereah> For instance, that formula above!
22:20:52 <psygnisfive> the two should emerge from a single equation not just an oring of the two
22:21:04 <Slereah> It's the Lagrangian density for a particle in a gravitational and EM field.
22:21:12 <Slereah> It's pretty awesome.
22:21:21 <lament> cock = -vagina is pretty elegant
22:21:34 <Slereah> But really, it's all cheating.
22:21:35 <psygnisfive> no lament
22:21:42 <psygnisfive> its more like cock = -clit
22:21:42 <Slereah> When an expression is just one line long
22:21:58 <Slereah> It usually means that the underlying formula is complicated as fuck.
22:22:14 <psygnisfive> it means there are a lot of assumptions about notation.
22:22:29 <Slereah> R is the Ricci scalar, g is the determinant of the metric tensor, D is the covariant derivative, F is the electromagnetic tensor
22:22:32 <Slereah> Yeah
22:22:55 <Slereah> That formula using only regular arithmetic and calculus is actually ugly
22:23:18 <psygnisfive> notation is a lot tho actually
22:23:43 <Slereah> (Also that formula is false : it should be -g, not g)
22:23:46 <psygnisfive> notation is a kind of technology
22:23:52 <Slereah> (Since the metric tensor is always negative)
22:24:05 <psygnisfive> but the equation has sqrt(g)
22:24:13 <Slereah> Yes.
22:24:15 <psygnisfive> if it was sqrt(-g) it'd be i*sqrt(g) making it always complex
22:24:19 <Slereah> ...
22:24:20 <Slereah> No
22:24:22 <psygnisfive> not negative
22:24:23 <Slereah> Because g < 0
22:24:31 <Slereah> So -g > 0
22:24:53 <psygnisfive> oh yes? i didnt know g < 0. ok then.
22:25:02 <lament> http://www.kenfoster.com/Articles/anaction.gif
22:25:14 <Slereah> Well, in flat space, it's -1,1,1,1 diagonally
22:25:19 <psygnisfive> lament: what?
22:25:27 <Slereah> Signs are always like that generally
22:25:41 <lament> psygnisfive: sex toys.
22:25:49 <psygnisfive> piano key?
22:26:03 <Slereah> A piano is not a sex toys
22:26:12 <psygnisfive> depends on how you use it, surely
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22:37:29 <lament> piano is better than sex.
22:37:41 <Slereah> *mittens
22:37:56 <bsmntbombdood> strings vibrate
22:38:07 <Slereah> http://tanasinn.info/wiki/Mittens
22:38:21 <Slereah> sex with MITTENS is awesome !
22:38:42 <lament> sex with mittens is probably better than playing piano with mittens
22:39:24 <ehird> lol dqn
22:39:47 <Slereah> VIP QUALITY
22:47:30 <Slereah> Tell me ehird by the way
22:47:38 <Slereah> Since you are such a VIP man.
22:47:48 <Slereah> Is table cat English in origin?
22:48:00 <Slereah> The video is, and I can't find any of it on 2chan.
22:48:05 <ehird> Dunno.
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