00:00:24 The more common term in Finland is "Tapaninpäivä". 00:00:38 "Tapani's day", where Tapani is an old-fashioned Finnish name. 00:00:42 hm ok 00:01:32 fizzie, we also have something even more silly for the days just before "dan för doppardan", "dan före dan före doppardan" (up to 3 iterations is used seriously) 00:01:46 due to certain culinary traditions 00:01:54 "dopp i grytan" 00:02:07 * AnMaster don't like dopp i grytan at all 00:02:11 doesn't* 00:03:33 ohh tapaninpäivä 00:03:37 yeah okay i know that 00:04:43 Apparently 26th is also "St Stephen's Day" elsewhere. 00:05:15 stephen ~ tapani? that's a bit of a stretch 00:05:39 Stephanos, from the original Greek name. 00:06:05 I wouldn't be too surprised if that is the official etymology for Tapani. 00:06:19 i wouldn't either 00:06:38 o oko okoko oko o 00:07:05 s/^st/t/ is what we do, and so on. 00:07:09 http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Tapani 00:07:50 Oh, Boxing Day; now that's the term I've actually heard. 00:08:52 apparently Boxing Day sometimes moves 00:09:02 Very messy, these Christmas-time holidays; Eastern Orthodox people have their Saint Stephen's Day on the 27th. 00:09:09 There should be an ISO standard or something. 00:09:31 Now I'll actually sleep and not just talk about it. 00:12:02 -!- moozilla has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 00:29:37 -!- moozilla has joined. 00:45:16 -!- moozilla has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 00:52:18 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 00:53:01 -!- oerjan has quit ("ZZZZXXXX"). 00:58:34 -!- CakeProphet has quit ("lol"). 01:06:20 -!- lifthras1ir has joined. 01:06:20 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 01:07:09 -!- lifthras1ir has changed nick to lifthrasiir. 01:07:29 -!- moozilla has joined. 01:16:05 -!- jix has quit ("..."). 01:16:11 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 01:31:14 -!- moozilla has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 01:43:15 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 02:03:37 -!- comex has changed nick to Warr. 02:43:05 -!- Judofyr has quit. 02:51:33 i want a scroll wheel with inertia 02:53:12 virtual or phyzical 03:01:51 Inertia is a property of matter. 03:02:14 So only simulated inertia would be anything notable. 03:02:25 So the real question is this: virtual or physical? 03:12:08 ...io is so messed up. 03:12:17 specifically operator presidence 03:17:21 -!- Sgeo has joined. 03:17:29 Did something happen here that involves me? 03:18:00 yes. 03:18:10 No. 03:18:27 Something happened here that involves the thing I mentioned in #inanity. 03:19:24 Which is relevent to me because I'm misspelling things? 03:19:54 ...physical 03:20:11 * Sgeo goes back to watching QI 03:20:42 Not really. 03:25:29 <3 QI 03:29:10 Warrigal: you know... I don't think there's any other word to describe the action of pandiculating 03:31:07 pandiculating? 03:33:31 anyone up for some serious language design? 03:33:33 I think "stretching" is similar. 03:33:39 Programming language, you mean? 03:33:51 it's the weird floppy gestures one makes when stretching and yawning 03:34:20 Well, I suppose we could design other types of languages as well. Let's design esperanto... oh wait. 03:35:56 Anyone have a bit of IRC bot code I could steal and manipulate to my own liking? 03:36:06 "Esperanto has already been designed." 03:36:22 Use Lambdabot. 03:36:52 I have a feeling I'll mess up trying to use Haskell successfully 03:37:27 Oh. 03:37:57 though the features lambdabot has are impressive. 03:38:49 I kind of want to make a text-based MMO through IRC using a bot. 03:39:21 send commands as PMs and it gives you output. 03:41:10 <3QI 03:41:13 QIQIQI 03:41:36 wat? 03:42:23 Sgeo loves QI. 03:42:31 I wonder what QI is. 03:46:18 Quite Interesting 03:48:29 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:49:35 I'd really prefer an IRC bot in Perl or Python or something. 04:09:32 * Warrigal ponders IRC bots written in Python 04:09:41 you mean likt BASMENT BOT?!?! 04:09:56 bsmntbombdood, tell me when bsmnt_bot is the kind of thing you can download and then run. 04:10:21 when you write the code 04:10:33 because i've certainly lost interest 04:11:38 Okay. 04:12:09 I think I'll try to find a "suitable" Lisp-like programming language instead. 04:13:04 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:14:27 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 04:14:33 We need to make an esolang where |:-{) erases the hard drive 04:30:21 -!- Warr has changed nick to comex. 04:47:30 -!- lolbot has joined. 04:47:41 :D 04:47:47 .py 04:48:33 -!- lolbot has quit (Client Quit). 04:48:43 wooo 04:48:45 progress 04:49:00 -!- lolbot has joined. 04:50:44 -!- lolbot has quit (Client Quit). 04:51:05 -!- lolbot has joined. 05:05:51 -!- lolbot has quit (Remote closed the connection). 05:06:07 -!- lolbot has joined. 05:06:11 lol 05:08:39 lol 05:08:46 -!- Warrigal has left (?). 05:14:06 -!- psygnisfive has joined. 05:14:39 -!- lolbot has quit. 05:14:44 -!- GregorR has joined. 05:14:53 -!- lolbot has joined. 05:14:54 GregorR: word 05:15:08 Uhhh, I'm gonna go with "purple" 05:19:29 -!- lolbot has quit (Client Quit). 05:19:45 -!- lolbot has joined. 05:22:54 -!- lolbot has quit (Client Quit). 05:23:13 -!- lolbot has joined. 05:23:34 .fortune 05:23:34 Fine day to work off excess energy. Steal something heavy. 05:24:07 .py print "lol" 05:24:07 lol 05:24:14 .io "test" println 05:24:26 -gasp- 05:25:44 -!- lolbot has quit (Client Quit). 05:25:59 -!- lolbot has joined. 05:26:27 eh... oh well 05:29:11 -!- lolbot has quit (Client Quit). 05:29:31 -!- lolbot has joined. 05:30:44 -!- lolbot has quit (Client Quit). 05:30:59 -!- lolbot has joined. 05:34:05 -!- lolbot has quit (Client Quit). 05:34:19 -!- lolbot has joined. 05:34:46 i haven't coded for alike a year 05:35:21 losin it 05:38:37 -!- lolbot has quit (Remote closed the connection). 05:48:38 bsmntbombdood: :(( 05:48:40 -!- lolbot has joined. 05:48:40 why not? 05:48:43 .fortune 05:48:43 Political speeches are like steer horns. A point here, a point there, 05:48:46 depresshuns 05:49:00 .fortune 05:49:00 To downgrade the human mind is bad theology. 05:49:12 ...fortune is so addictive. 05:50:19 .fortune 05:50:20 I don't even butter my bread. I consider that cooking. 05:52:24 -!- lolbot has quit (Client Quit). 05:52:36 -!- lolbot has joined. 05:52:38 .fortune 05:52:39 All heiresses are beautiful. -- John Dryden 05:52:45 There we go 05:53:23 It was only reading the first line (which was probably a good thing - one man's feature is another man's bug) 05:58:46 :( 05:59:09 bsmntbombdood: here's a fortune to cheer you up 05:59:11 .fortune 05:59:12 Oh, that sound of male ego. You travel halfway across the galaxy and it's still the same song. -- Eve McHuron, "Mudd's Women", stardate 1330.1 05:59:32 omg sexist 05:59:59 perhaps another? 06:00:01 .fortune 06:00:01 YOW!! The land of the rising SONY!! 06:00:23 ........has anyone noticed that 50% of fortune outputs are nonsense? 06:00:24 g'night all 06:00:29 night 06:09:41 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)). 06:09:42 -!- GregorR has quit (Remote closed the connection). 06:30:22 -!- lolbot has quit. 06:30:42 -!- lolbot has joined. 06:46:49 -!- lolbot has quit. 06:47:03 -!- lolbot has joined. 07:10:32 lolbot: en jp "The cake is a lie"? 07:10:32 CakeProphet: The en to jp translation failed, sorry! 07:10:44 lolbot: en ne "The cake is a lie"? 07:10:44 CakeProphet: The en to ne translation failed, sorry! 07:10:58 lolbot: en de "The cake is a lie"? 07:10:59 CakeProphet: "Der Kuchen ist eine Lüge" (en to de, translate.google.com) 07:11:01 ... 07:52:00 augurbot: en jp "the cake is a lie"? 07:52:08 augur: "keki wa uso da" (en to de, augurbot) 07:52:40 oh. i keep forgetting i dont use augur as my nick here 07:52:40 :( 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:55:16 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("You only need one wheel. Bikers are just greedy."). 09:57:45 -!- oerjan has joined. 11:10:15 -!- lolbot has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 11:15:28 -!- cruce has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 11:19:40 -!- Mony has joined. 11:21:41 plap 11:22:51 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 11:34:31 -!- Judofyr has joined. 12:36:39 "The product is GPLed, minor drawback, but at least its not completely proprieatary." 12:36:46 I love subversive licenseflames. 12:44:50 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 12:48:36 .. what? 12:49:06 I don't have to make sense. 12:49:09 It's not required of me. 12:49:22 ... or IS IT 13:05:11 To quote one of those ubiquitous motivational posters: http://zem.fi/~fis/sense.jpg 13:05:50 http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1934/s5001329rv5.jpg 13:05:54 HAVE MORE SENSE 13:07:02 -!- Judofyr has quit. 13:28:42 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:37:52 -!- Badger has joined. 13:40:58 -!- oerjan has quit ("Sensubus"). 14:39:26 http://rafb.net/p/H0jqak48.html 14:53:31 oklopol! 14:53:31 14:53 ehird: > fix (("o" :) . map ("ok" ++)) 14:53:32 14:53 lambdabot: ["o","oko","okoko","okokoko","okokokoko","okokokokoko","okokokokokoko","oko... 15:08:56 -!- Mony has quit ("reboot"). 15:15:49 -!- cruce has joined. 15:26:48 ehird: yyyes? 15:26:56 14:53 ehird: 14:53 ehird: > fix (("o" :) . map ("ok" ++)) 15:26:56 14:53 ehird: 14:53 lambdabot: ["o","oko","okoko","okokoko","okokokoko","okokokokoko","okokokokokoko","oko... 15:27:06 i also generalized that into "wat" 15:27:15 wat f g = fix (f . map g) 15:27:29 whose type is: ([b] -> [a]) -> (a -> b) -> [a] 15:27:33 it comes out of nowhere 15:27:34 :D 15:28:47 that does seem a bit curious 15:29:00 it is 15:29:10 oko = wat ("o":) ("ok"++) 15:32:07 yay i has 6 liters of energy drinkings 15:33:36 and smartdrugs? 15:33:41 anyway infinite sequences are pretty weird. they still often look like magic to me 15:34:15 like that one, it's fixing an "ok" prefix to... err.. nothing. 15:34:46 cruce: what are smartdrugs 15:35:08 Gary Gum 15:36:24 Hi cruce. 15:37:05 oklopol: It's putting "ok" in front of all elements of the full expression, then adding "o" to the front. 15:37:08 :DDDD 15:37:49 it would be a whole lot less confusing if i didn't understand it 15:37:58 lol 15:38:55 i do understand what it means, and how lazy evaluation automatically makes it work, but it's still magic 15:39:46 oklopol: it's actually "o" : ("ok" ++ ("o" : ("ok" .. 15:39:50 which makes it simple to understand 15:39:56 err 15:39:57 it's 15:40:07 "o" : (map ("ok" ++) ("o" : (map ("ok" ++) ... 15:40:19 The one I used -- let oko = "o":[o++"ko"|o <- oko] in oko -- also sounds silly when read out in English. "oko is the list that starts with an "o", then contains all elements of oko with "ko" added to the end." 15:40:22 it's simple to understand as a fixed point too 15:40:38 fizzie: yes 15:41:27 that's not the point, it's just so highlevel and awesome that it makes me lick my elbows. 15:41:47 haskell's great 15:41:55 You can lick your elbows? I've never managed that. 15:42:36 you must be a noob :o 15:42:44 Maybe one side of an elbow. 15:42:51 I'm not sure which region counts. 15:43:13 * oklopol just hurt his arm by stretching it too much :< 15:43:50 it should be illegal to talk about that kind of stuff 15:44:01 too dangerous 15:45:59 rwh and sicp on the way from amazon 15:46:14 soon i have all the classics 15:46:22 all that's left is the actual reading, but that's trivial 15:46:30 oklopol: rwh is not a classic 15:46:31 it's recent 15:46:32 sicp is only 3.5/5 on amazon 15:46:38 ehird: yes i wasn't referring to that 15:46:41 sicp and aocp 15:46:53 That's usually TAOCP, for some reason. 15:47:02 tao child porn 15:47:10 the art of child porn 15:47:28 yes 15:48:03 i would so buy that 15:48:03 knuth is a filthy kiddie-fiddler 15:48:11 this is the fbi 15:48:38 so what's the deal with taocps after the first three? 15:48:49 is number four divided in chapters that are separate books or something? 15:48:57 I think TAOCP and SICP are the most classic-y of the books I have, too. And maybe the Schneier's "cryptography classics" set: applied cryptography, secrets and lies, and practical cryptography. 15:49:05 i was too lazy to look into it, but looked like there were many fours 15:49:11 oklopol: #4 is not done yet 15:49:16 knuth keeps releasing little niblets of it 15:49:21 yeah 15:49:30 it will be a ufll one when its down 15:49:30 but they are like 1500 pages each 15:49:30 done 15:49:31 full 15:49:37 oklopol: knuth is crazy-fuck 15:49:51 yes :) 15:50:02 ah, wait 15:50:09 it's split into 4 parts 15:50:09 a-d 15:50:12 Volume 4 will be in separate books when it's ready, yes. 15:50:16 5 Outline of Volume 4A Enumeration and Backtracking 15:50:17 6 Outline of Volume 4B Graph and Network Algorithms 15:50:18 7 Outline of Volumes 4C and 4D Optimization and Recursion 15:50:34 I like how it takes 8 books to get to recursion 15:50:37 :D 15:50:49 umm. 15:50:54 Hopefully Knuth won't do the dying thing before it's ready; I think authors have that sort of habits. 15:50:56 the four i saw was about bit-fiddling 15:51:09 fizzie: he's pretty old. 15:51:14 yeah and also isn't he planning stuff even after 4? 15:51:19 7.1.3 - Bitwise tricks and techniques (122 pp) -- is in 4A 15:51:25 ah okay. 15:51:55 for some reason that's what amazon.com suggested to me, or at least i saw that somewhere 15:52:00 he wants like 20 volumes 15:52:16 hehe 15:52:20 The MMIX rewrites of 1-3 is also still forthcoming, I guess. 15:52:42 first a book, then a book for each chapter, then multiple books for one chapter, chapter 20 will probably be a whole library 15:52:50 I guess I need to move work -> home now; be back in half an hour or so. 15:52:57 "miscellaneous algorithms" 15:53:12 bye 15:53:24 mmix rewrites? 15:53:26 hmm. 15:54:23 ah the current one is mic 15:54:24 *mix 15:56:26 -!- Mony has joined. 16:11:37 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 16:33:26 Hi ais523 16:33:44 Hi ehird, with a capital H! 16:33:49 Ehird? 16:34:53 that would be eHird, presumably 16:34:58 err, duh 16:34:58 XD 16:36:22 ehird is dum 16:37:27 16:37 Error(405): #ESO You can't join that many channels 16:37:29 Oh my. 16:38:42 wow, you're in a lot of channels... 16:39:55 * ehird bumps up the font size on his terminal and his eyes thank him 16:40:52 IRC too. 16:41:36 -!- Asztal has joined. 16:43:27 i was in 20 channels on freenode and quakenet, but i recently culled almost all of them, because vista couldn't handle that many windows :-) 17:13:59 hi ais523 17:14:03 hi 17:14:32 AnMaster: I got gcc-bf working to the extent that it can compile some very simple programs 17:14:38 although I haven't worked up to hello world yet 17:14:43 I have to largely avoid the standard library still 17:15:56 ais523, when I worked on adding NCRS support for cfunge I found that it interacts badly with TERM (thus I haven't pushed the changes yet, since I'm working on adding stuff to co-ordinate init/teardown between those fingerprints), however maybe for IFFI you should add a note somewhere that if someone links a C program as well they should be careful if they plan to use ncurses 17:16:15 maybe I'll let them figure that out for themself 17:16:24 ick doesn't exactly count as stable 17:17:17 ais523, if stuff mess up with ncurses it will probably lead to memory corruption and/or segfault either on exit (some cleanup is done with atexit() in TERM) or at any other random point 17:17:41 oh, it's almost certainly possible to get ick to segfault, although I don't know a specific program that does so 17:19:25 mhm 17:50:31 #reddit is a shit channel. 17:50:31 17:49 lol can u copy shit to a cd in dos lol? 17:50:42 -!- Judofyr has joined. 17:50:44 it's an interesting question, actually 17:50:53 I don't know if there's any CD-writing software for DOS 17:50:59 given the existence of FreeDOS, I guess so 17:51:10 (there's definitely MSCDEX, and probably other programs, to /read/ CDs in DOS0 17:51:14 s/0$/)/ 17:53:14 -!- ehird has set topic: lol can u copy shit to a cd in dos lol?. 17:53:21 (don't put the log link in there, it wasn't a few seconds ago) 18:07:37 afk, not feeling well, think I have a cold 18:13:49 ehird: lol lol? 18:13:57 lol lol lol 18:14:03 hi Badger. 18:14:05 you new here? 18:16:57 I suspect so 18:18:54 welcome, then 18:18:58 what brings you here? 18:19:11 he's in #haskell 18:19:16 I mentioned #esoteric sometime today I think 18:19:19 hmm... ah, maybe 18:19:23 but Haskell isn't an esolang 18:19:31 arguable 18:19:37 I mean I mentioned #esoteric in #haskell 18:19:39 well, it has the good bits of esoness, but not the bad bits 18:21:59 oh dear. 18:22:13 * Badger is forced to look up esotericism. 18:22:35 heh 18:22:36 esoteric: confined to and understandable by only an enlightened inner circle; "a compilation of esoteric philosophical theories" 18:22:48 look up esoteric programming 18:22:57 Badger: so, uh, what brought you hear? :P 18:22:59 *here 18:23:01 ehird: you 18:23:06 neat. :D 18:23:14 (We're purveyors of silly programming languages.) 18:23:20 (http://esolangs.org/wiki/) 18:23:21 well, probably it's worth giving a link to http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page 18:23:21 ehird brings everyone here 18:23:29 mostly because you mentioned brainfuck 18:23:32 oklopol: I brought AnMaster her forchrissakes 18:23:33 and ends up ignoring them when they become regulars 18:23:33 so you can see what sort of things we do 18:23:35 and Deewiant 18:23:37 *here 18:23:37 which I am horrifiedly amued by 18:23:40 *amused 18:23:41 brainfuck is one of the best-known esolangs 18:23:52 ^bf ,[.,]!Hello, world! 18:23:52 Hello, world! 18:23:58 the fact that it works is, er 18:24:01 well 18:24:03 * Badger shudders. 18:24:03 I kicked fizzie back into talking. 18:24:08 it's pretty amazing what can be Turing-complete 18:24:09 Badger: fungot is written in befunge 18:24:09 ehird: an overdue payment order is defined in this 18:24:12 and interprets brainfuck. 18:24:19 http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt 18:24:19 ehird: property should the proposer shall receive a commission. at the 18:24:24 wait, is fungot spouting random stuff from Agora again? 18:24:25 ais523: other rules which would permit otherwise. 18:24:27 ais523: yeah 18:24:30 ^style 18:24:30 Available: agora* alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc lovecraft pa speeches ss wp 18:25:00 ehird: wanna hear something weird? 18:25:15 hah @ wikipedia: 18:25:16 Internet community 18:25:16 There is a small but thriving community on the Internet of hobbyists who program in and design esoteric programming languages. 18:25:27 well, you found us 18:25:28 we're one of those communities 18:25:40 * oklopol assumes there are others without intersection 18:25:56 oh my 18:25:58 lolcode. 18:26:27 we officially hate lolcode 18:26:47 Whitespace only considers the layout of whitespace and ignores all non-whitespace characters. 18:26:51 Genius. 18:27:21 heh, yes. but it's not that hard to come up with interesting syntax-based esolangs 18:27:28 it's much harder to get interesting semantics 18:27:29 I think most of the people here hate lolcode, it doesn't bring anything interesting to the world of programming except the syntax 18:27:41 oklopol: agreed 18:28:08 i usually try to have pretty much everything unique and new in my languages 18:28:09 I blame my recent talking spree on fungot, actually. 18:28:09 fizzie: a contest must have a vizier and the procedure is not 18:28:28 this is one of the rare places where reinventing a weird wheel is okay 18:28:43 are all these languages t-complete 18:28:52 Badger: not all of them, but most are i think 18:29:02 ais523 has some interesting non-tc ones 18:30:00 anyway, to continue after "in my languages", that's why i've officially finished like 3 languages 18:30:11 I should keep going with Unassignable 18:30:18 oklopol: what're they called? 18:30:21 get it even higher-level and more usable despite blatantly non-TC 18:30:28 Badger: oklotalk-- and i forget the rest 18:30:31 atm he's working on noprob 18:30:34 Badger: i'm a bit afraid of wikis, you can't really find them. 18:30:35 http://esolangs.org/wiki/BackFlip is the interesting non-TC one of mine, though 18:30:48 oklotalk-- is ready, nopol2 is ready, and graphica is ready 18:31:13 all have an implementation too, none are officially free, and none are even public, you'd have to ask me directly 18:31:41 ah 18:32:05 graphica is a language for creating graphs in a fairly weird way 18:32:47 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_(programming_language)#Example_code 18:32:48 :) 18:33:11 oklotalk-- isn't all that interesting, it's a subset of oklotalk, which is a pretty massive language i'm still extending 18:33:24 nopol2 is... weird. 18:33:26 massive, you say 18:33:33 how so? 18:33:45 it has a lot of stuff, because i've been working on it for years 18:33:48 Badger: it's more consice than APL often 18:33:52 and is completely obscure 18:34:36 oklopol: hmm... my pretty massive language Overload became Underload when it was trimmed down to a tarpit 18:34:42 and that's probably my most successful esolang of all 18:35:20 every string is a legal program, pretty concise, scoping is very flexible, everything is dynamic, you can change syntax quite easily, etc, all this in a setting about as safe for the programmer as programming in c macros 18:36:24 fun details, features even ehird probably doesn't know: you can do { raw N -> out N } (5+7) to print "5 + 7" 18:36:40 ha 18:36:46 lazy evaluation where there are no side-effects 18:36:49 oklopol: how hard is it to change that to output in reverse-Polish? 18:36:50 which is dynamically checked :) 18:37:01 oklopol: you should generalize it so that all functions get expressions 18:37:04 ais523: parsing is done from within the language using state lists 18:37:05 and they evaluate by default 18:37:06 that is 18:37:09 which are kinda like regexes. 18:37:10 { N -> out N } (1+1) 18:37:12 outputs 2 18:37:12 but 18:37:17 { N -> out (code N) } (1+1) 18:37:22 outputs 1+1 18:37:22 well 18:37:24 s/code/ast/ 18:37:32 but they are more general, and can also be used for flow control, in a manner that has nothing to do with regexes 18:37:42 basically you can use the fsm directly 18:37:42 oklopol: that basically works in that all primitives evaluate their expressions 18:37:43 apart from code 18:37:46 and a few others 18:37:57 and arguments are passed as their context and their AST 18:38:07 then you can do e.g. 18:38:13 if true, 1, 2 18:38:14 as a regular function 18:38:15 :D 18:38:23 where the latter two are only evaluated if the first 18:38:24 ehird: that's essentially what happens 18:38:45 i'm gonna write a language like that 18:38:47 you could do insane shit 18:38:48 like 18:38:52 a code object is almost a normal object except given the message #raw it returns its code. 18:38:56 you could write set("name",value) 18:39:04 because you'd get the context of name and value 18:39:05 everything that doesn't have a side-effect is simply a code object 18:39:09 you could also write 18:39:21 appendcode("name",2+2) 18:39:30 and it'd append "2+2" to the string in name 18:39:31 if is a regular function, you are just reinventing oklotalk here :P 18:39:32 XD 18:39:47