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01:12:26 <oklopol> "soon. yes, i will speak better than you. soon"
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01:32:02 <oklopol> i knew you'd come CRAWLING back
01:32:35 <ais523> and hi psygnisfive too
01:36:23 <ais523> I've been working on gcc-bf over the holidays
01:36:36 <ais523> it now reaches the stage where it generates buggy programs that don't work, as opposed to broken programs that don't run
01:36:55 <oklopol> i want a language where all code is written with either examples (kinda like in aardappel), or code; actual code could be like haskell's types, usually inferred, but you could fill it in explicitly where it's nontrivial
01:37:37 <ais523> hmm... you've just given me an idea for an esolang
01:37:41 <ais523> instead of telling it what to do
01:37:46 <ais523> you give it some inputs and some related outputs
01:37:52 <ais523> and it figures out what to do based on those
01:38:11 <oklopol> yes, but there should be ways to fill in the insides too
01:39:02 <oklopol> just giving general constraints like that will not actually amount to anything in practise, you should somehow be able to give it a bag of functions "that might be useful"
01:39:13 <oklopol> that it could then use to try to find something that fits the io-pairs
01:39:34 <oklopol> and these functions would be done the same way of course
01:40:33 <oklopol> for sorting, you might make a merge and a cut, and give it the bag {merge cut <recursion>}
01:40:40 <oklopol> and then just give a few pairs
01:41:27 <oklopol> basically you'd just do the "abstraction" step of making functions
01:41:46 <oklopol> and let the computer find the exact connections
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03:19:29 <oklopol> damn ais523 and his leavings
03:19:40 <oklopol> IF YOU'RE READING THIS, COME BACK AT ONCE.
03:56:59 <oklopol> i can't dance, i have nnscript :<
03:57:57 <oklopol> so. wanna see my current mergesort?
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03:58:24 <oklopol> i'll show it anyway, also for ais523 in case he reads the logs
03:58:25 <oklopol> shortlist ~ cutlast,[] : []>1;[4]>1;[6 7]>0
03:58:25 <oklopol> halve ~ cutfirst,cutlast,halve,prepend,append,shortlist : []>[],[];[1]>[],[1]|[1],[];[1 2]>[1],[2];[1 2 3 4]>[1 2],[3 4]
03:58:25 <oklopol> merge ~ cutfirst,lessthan,cutfirst,prepend,[] : [],[]>[];[3],[]>[3];[3],[2]>[2 3];[1 3],[2]>[1 2 3]
03:58:25 <oklopol> sort ~ merge,halve,sort,[] : []>[];[2]>[2];[2 3]>[2 3];[1]>[1];[3 1]>[1 3];[3]>[3];[2 3 1]>[1 2 3]
03:58:52 <oklopol> this is the concise syntax, i have a prettier one as well, but this should bring the point across
03:59:03 <oklopol> name ~ function bag : examples
03:59:31 <oklopol> examples are ;-separated, in>out, "," separates tuples, | for alternatives
04:00:29 <oklopol> also i found a way to get recursion and other reference cycles to work
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04:02:21 <oklopol> the gist is to have a whole recursion tree in the examples
04:02:51 <oklopol> meaning say you have the [1 3],[2]>[1 2 3] as one of merge's examples
04:03:33 <oklopol> you'd then also put [3],[2]>[2 3] and [3],[]>[3]
04:03:49 <oklopol> because that's how merge should recurse
04:04:25 <oklopol> it both hints the interp towards the right algo, and makes it tractable to check whether the current solution is right
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15:00:49 <mib_7pojqg> great, I have no drives that can rip pregaps.
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15:35:14 <mib_ub9ay1> "[...]so you can choose your preferred tradeoff between efficiency and being able to look at yourself in the mirror the next morning."
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16:08:38 <mib_ub9ay1> something to do with algorithms of polygons
16:08:52 <mib_ub9ay1> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7m108/ask_proggit_how_can_i_quickly_determine_which/5jik
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16:31:21 <oklopol> i can't say i understand it though
16:42:50 <oklopol> why exactly is it easier to look yourself in the mirror if you make things inefficient?
16:43:30 <mib_ub9ay1> oklopol: because the efficient algorithms are scary and black magicy and you'll feel dirty the day after.
16:43:34 <oklopol> *long typo correction to come
16:43:46 <oklopol> well right, didn't really see it that way
16:44:08 <oklopol> *no correction, would take too long
16:54:17 <mib_ub9ay1> "A Rare Blend of Monster Raving Egomania and Utter Batshit Insanity" -- on Wolfram-ANewKindofScience, http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/reviews/wolfram/
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17:03:08 <oerjan> <oklopol> why exactly is it easier to look yourself in the mirror if you make things inefficient?
17:03:36 <oerjan> premature optimization? something something dijkstra
17:04:00 <ais523> The first rule of optimisation is "Don't do it."
17:04:07 <ais523> The second rule of optimisation is "Don't do it yet."
17:04:30 <ais523> (The third rule is "Don't do it until you've carefully profiled your programs to find out where the bottlenecks are and what needs optimising", but that one isn't as snappy)
17:06:00 <oerjan> that's because the third rule is an optimization of the first two, obviously
17:08:31 * oerjan wonders where the "something something" meme comes from.
17:08:47 <ais523> I didn't even realise it was a meme
17:09:11 <oerjan> i just used and realized i'd seen it before
17:09:43 <AnMaster> mib_ub9ay1, no it wasn't lost on me
17:10:26 <oerjan> the hits for "something something meme" seem to be uses, not explanations
17:10:37 <AnMaster> mib_ub9ay1, none of them were lost on me, it is just that if your *goal* is as much speed as possible then you have to think about it early on.
17:10:52 <AnMaster> most C programs I write are nothing like that
17:10:59 <mib_ub9ay1> AnMaster: I'm pretty sure the first rule covers that by telling you speed shouldn't be your goa.
17:11:10 <ais523> incidentally, I have had to use all 3 before
17:11:23 <ais523> managed to speed up a program by a factor of about 10, because it was running unacceptably slow beforehand
17:11:28 <ais523> it was still annoying having to do it, though
17:11:54 <ais523> it was my new AI for TAEB
17:12:04 <mib_ub9ay1> in cases like that, before optimizing i'd rewrite as a c extension
17:12:08 <mib_ub9ay1> altho apparently that's painful with per
17:12:19 <ais523> mib_ub9ay1: well, it was heavily object-oriented
17:12:19 <mib_ub9ay1> but it's easier to write simple c and have it faster than optimized perl, I'd wager
17:12:34 <ais523> it wouldn't work at all well in C without rewriting the entire program in C
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17:13:08 <ais523> you obviously haven't seen it
17:13:14 <ais523> it basically exposes the internals of Perl to C programs
17:13:27 <ais523> which makes it good for different sorts of extensions from the sorts you're thinking of
17:13:47 <ais523> anyway, how would you, say, write an extension for object-oriented Python or Ruby in C?
17:14:18 <mib_ub9ay1> by using their clean, simple, well-thought-out API.
17:14:33 <ais523> the problem is that much of the slowness was in the objects I was calling
17:14:34 <Asztal> I don't think "clean" applies to Ruby's API
17:14:53 <ais523> the bits of Perl I wrote weren't particularly slow
17:15:01 <ais523> they were calling slow things outside themselves, though
17:15:17 <ais523> such as trying to get deeply-nested properties of external objects
17:15:30 <ais523> IOW, rewriting in C would have been optimising the wrong thing
17:15:34 <mib_ub9ay1> i think taeb is a leeetle overengineered.
17:15:45 <ais523> it's still underengineered
17:16:08 <oerjan> argh, "something something" seems a favorite thing to say to show the template of _other_ memes, making it impossible to search for :D
17:17:43 <oerjan> well, meme, idiom, almost same thing
17:17:53 <oerjan> i've been there before
17:18:51 <mib_ub9ay1> http://code.google.com/p/brainspace/ Rule 1 of esolangs: your esolang does not need a google code project
17:19:01 <AnMaster> <mib_ub9ay1> AnMaster: I'm pretty sure the first rule covers that by telling you speed shouldn't be your goa.
17:19:14 <AnMaster> well, I don't overclock, but sometimes people do speed runs
17:19:20 <mib_ub9ay1> 17:19AnMaster<mib_ub9ay1> AnMaster: I'm pretty sure the first rule covers that by telling you speed shouldn't be your goa. 17:19AnMaster<mib_ub9ay1> l
17:19:21 <AnMaster> like "how much can you overclock"
17:19:47 <oerjan> hmph no obvious hits there either
17:19:50 <AnMaster> mib_ub9ay1, considering cfunge a test of "how fast can you get it as a pure interpreter"
17:20:10 <mib_ub9ay1> AnMaster: your site does not mention this.
17:20:34 <mib_ub9ay1> because if you take its point as what the site says, your optimization is stupid
17:20:41 <AnMaster> mib_ub9ay1, my goal is being the _fastest_ _interpreter_ out there
17:21:12 <AnMaster> as far as I know I currently beat all except jitfunge
17:21:18 <oerjan> mib_ub9ay1: knowing you are ehird is simple, it's just a matter of elimination
17:21:24 <AnMaster> and last I heard jitfunge wasn't complete
17:21:53 <mib_ub9ay1> note to self: trying to talk sensibly to AnMaster is fruitless; your lines go to /dev/null.
17:22:05 <AnMaster> mib_ub9ay1, I will update website slightly
17:22:19 <oerjan> mib_ub9ay1: an _ambitious_ esolang would have a google summer code project
17:23:40 <mib_ub9ay1> http://serprex.staticfire.co.uk/x86/x86.htm nice.
17:23:52 <oerjan> mib_ub9ay1: actually scratch the elimination, the AnMaster comments are enough
17:25:03 <AnMaster> mib_ub9ay1, that is quite an useful link for debugging
17:25:26 * oerjan wonders if that flame knight or what it was site is still there
17:25:32 <AnMaster> up until now I used the AMD64 processor docs, which is not always easy to search in
17:25:48 <mib_ub9ay1> they're only available in pdf i believe.
17:26:01 <AnMaster> mib_ub9ay1, they are pdf only indeed
17:26:11 <AnMaster> I have them (all 5 pdfs) on my desktop
17:26:24 <AnMaster> mib_ub9ay1, and do you mean you don't believe they exist?
17:26:50 <mib_ub9ay1> not believing that pdfs exist would be more of an oklopol thing.
17:27:17 <AnMaster> mib_ub9ay1, anyway they are around 450-550 pages long each
17:27:34 <oerjan> mib_ub9ay1: AnMaster: http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/duelists.htm
17:28:14 <AnMaster> oerjan, the text doesn't explain what the site is hm
17:28:28 <AnMaster> is this related to some online game?
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17:28:59 <oerjan> it's a funny list of stereotypes
17:29:06 <AnMaster> and my home icon takes me to gentoo.org
17:29:30 <oerjan> hm wait maybe it's framed
17:29:43 <AnMaster> oerjan, there is no home indeed, and there is no frame
17:29:58 <mib_ub9ay1> gee I like seeing the gentoo site every time I open a browser too.
17:30:02 <AnMaster> oerjan, ok there is a home when using firefox 3
17:30:33 <oerjan> indeed, but that seems not to have been the problem
17:31:21 <oerjan> main page is http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm
17:32:49 <oerjan> anyway that site should have pigeon holes enough for all of us :D
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17:34:04 <AnMaster> oerjan, what would you be then?
17:34:43 * oerjan doesn't recall, it's been years since he visited
17:34:53 <oerjan> i just remembered the duelists
17:35:51 <oerjan> mib_ub9ay1: you might think http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/ferouscranus.htm fits AnMaster better ;D
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17:38:08 <mib_ub9ay1> Slereah brings out the asshole in us all
17:38:16 <oerjan> of course i am an Eagle Scout *cough*
17:38:28 <oerjan> and i'm not even sure if that's ironic
17:38:42 <Slereah> It's ironic if you're an eagle
17:40:23 <oklopol> V v move down \n v move down
17:41:46 <oklopol> mib_ub9ay1: at least i agree brainspace doesn't deserve a google code project
17:42:30 <oklopol> i mean i drop more inspired languages in the toilet
17:43:10 <ais523> which one is brainspace, again?
17:43:28 * oerjan should try the Blowhard more often
17:43:35 <oklopol> mib_ub9ay1 linked it a few lines ago
17:44:46 <ais523> ah, Yet Another cross between BF and Befunge
17:45:45 <oklopol> well. i think so. although i can't really see how to do computation in it
17:46:22 <ais523> can't BF trivially be compiled into it?
17:46:26 <ais523> or is it missing one of the instructions?
17:46:48 <ais523> it seems LEPM + Befunge-style looping is enough for TCness
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18:03:34 <mib_ub9ay1> AnMaster: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Programming/Interpreters/cfunge-37128.shtml
18:04:33 <ais523> did AnMaster write that?
18:04:37 <ais523> or is it a copy from his site?
18:05:07 <mib_ub9ay1> User Rating: Rated by:Fair (2.2/5) 18 user(s)
18:05:53 <mib_ub9ay1> AnMaster: http://www.dreamincode.net/forums/showtopic69841.htm
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18:12:09 <AnMaster> <ais523> or is it a copy from his site? <-- I didn't
18:13:04 <AnMaster> mib_ub9ay1, that text is familiar, I wrote it as release notes for freshmeat.net iirc
18:13:14 <AnMaster> and yes I have seen sites like that before
18:13:48 <AnMaster> mib_ub9ay1, and yes I agree it is totally silly
18:14:52 <mib_ub9ay1> AnMaster: they get money from ad revenue
18:15:04 <mib_ub9ay1> not silly if you're making big bux off it.
18:15:15 <AnMaster> mib_ub9ay1, why would anyone use them?
18:15:32 <mib_ub9ay1> From a regular perspective, what sends off alarm bells?
18:15:38 <mib_ub9ay1> It has information and download links.
18:15:44 <mib_ub9ay1> They find it once, and keep going there, because they use it.
18:17:01 <AnMaster> mib_ub9ay1, hm, at least freshmeat kind of makes sense
18:17:38 <AnMaster> mib_ub9ay1, however I should probably report them for copyright violation of release notes, since I could say they are under GFDL or something
18:17:46 <ais523> AnMaster: /are/ they under GFDL?
18:17:47 <oklopol> ais523: i don't see how to make a loop
18:17:54 <ais523> if you didn't licence them at all, you could try to report them for copyvio
18:17:55 <AnMaster> ais523, no, but maybe for next release?
18:17:57 <ais523> oklopol: Befunge-style, using ?
18:18:09 <ais523> AnMaster: are they under any licence at all?
18:18:18 <oklopol> and all turns are deterministic
18:18:23 <ais523> if so, then it'll rather depend on which country you're in
18:18:35 <oklopol> meaning there's just one path you can't deviate from
18:18:36 <AnMaster> ais523, but probably since it was posted on freshmeat it is covered by their EULA
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18:18:45 <ais523> mib_ub9ay1: using AnMaster's hard-earned release notes to give themselves ad revenue?
18:18:57 <mib_ub9ay1> ais523: I was talking about softpedia.
18:18:58 <ais523> oklopol: are turns reversible too?
18:19:08 <ais523> mib_ub9ay1: it's cluttering Google results
18:19:12 <mib_ub9ay1> dreamincode isn't just an aggregation-spam site, they just seem to have an aggregated news section.
18:19:17 <oklopol> ais523: well no, i guess they're not
18:19:18 <mib_ub9ay1> Additionally, they link to their source.
18:19:28 <AnMaster> mib_ub9ay1, true that is one useful thing
18:19:33 <mib_ub9ay1> ais523: That just means your google results aren't good enough.
18:19:39 <oklopol> still i can't see it. probably would if there is a way, if i tried
18:19:44 <mib_ub9ay1> If there was better content, the aggregations would be way at the end.
18:19:50 <oklopol> but i'm hoping someone will just explain it to me, because i'm so goddamn tired
18:20:13 <ais523> mib_ub9ay1: still, maybe AnMaster doesn't want his effort used by other companies to increase their search results
18:20:36 <AnMaster> well I'll let the issue rest for no
18:20:50 <mib_ub9ay1> ais523: I was talking about softpedia.
18:20:51 <oklopol> because i think the fact turns aren't reversible just means the path can't be traversed backwards except until the first forced turn comes (and not a mirror)
18:21:02 <mib_ub9ay1> I highly doubt dreamincode.net are doing it for their search reviews; they're a legit site, a very old one though.
18:21:09 <oklopol> http://code.google.com/p/brainspace/ for reference, if someone feels like explaining
18:21:14 <mib_ub9ay1> ASsuming it's the dreamincode I was thinking about.
18:21:18 <mib_ub9ay1> The page only loads in google's cache.
18:21:19 <AnMaster> mib_ub9ay1, what is dreamincode doing it for?
18:21:31 <mib_ub9ay1> AnMaster: er, to provide an aggregation of news?
18:21:39 <mib_ub9ay1> Admittedly not very well, i doubt many of their users care about cfunge.
18:21:50 <AnMaster> mib_ub9ay1, "industry news from the esoteric language area"?
18:22:00 <ais523> oklopol: it's the * command
18:22:12 <ais523> that's a conditional skip, isn't it?
18:22:22 <ais523> and it can skip a direction-change command to get a conditional branch
18:22:44 <AnMaster> oklopol, is http://code.google.com/p/brainspace/ your project?
18:23:15 <AnMaster> who is the dev? Someone in this channel?
18:23:37 <ais523> mib_ub9ay1: AnMaster's trying to figure out whose BrainSpace is
18:23:53 <ais523> SpaceMan++ according to the esowiki history
18:24:24 <AnMaster> mib_ub9ay1, no that doesn't have /\ mirrors
18:25:33 <ais523> I created BackFlip, yes
18:25:38 <ais523> but in BackFlip, the mirrors use
18:25:44 <ais523> neither of the commands were my idea, by the way
18:25:51 <ais523> I got them from a post on esoteric.sange.fi
18:26:10 <ais523> but they were in quite a different context, someone was trying to figure out how to do subroutines in a Befunge-like language
18:27:12 <mib_ub9ay1> is there an animated backflip interp? :P
18:27:35 <AnMaster> mib_ub9ay1, sounds like a fun idea
18:45:44 <ais523> http://code.google.com/p/brainspace/wiki/LinkingToBS1LibraryInJava
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19:08:21 <oklopol> AnMaster: brainspace isn't really my type.
19:09:00 <oklopol> ais523: oh. i missed that.
19:10:19 <oerjan> oklopol is a bear of very little brain
19:10:45 <oklopol> that's the problem with me reading things, i always miss the one crucial line.
19:19:55 <oerjan> however, loving milk and honey is a prerequisite.
19:20:35 <mib_ub9ay1> http://albinoblacksheep.com/flash/bearhello
19:21:18 <oklopol> i guess that's fun a hundredth time
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19:32:31 <oklopol> i'm gonna change my name to that
19:35:04 <oklopol> what's Mozilla Public License 1.1
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20:58:07 <mib_5koloe> AnMaster: can you implement MKRY already?
20:58:34 <AnMaster> but should be easy for you to do
20:58:45 <AnMaster> mib_5koloe, it adds nothing of value IMO
20:58:53 <AnMaster> mib_5koloe, you could implement it for rc/funge then
20:59:00 <mib_5koloe> AnMaster: i'd stop complaining about cfunge.
20:59:18 <AnMaster> mib_5koloe, though that sounds nice: no
20:59:33 <mib_5koloe> yeah I think this accurately depicts why I dislike cfunge.
20:59:33 <AnMaster> you won't complain about cfunge then
20:59:45 <oerjan> it's a far MKRY from implementation...
21:00:13 <AnMaster> that one was truly good/awful/aweful all in one
21:00:51 <oklopol> really, you didn't write awful twice and type the other one?
21:00:54 <oerjan> the actual word is "awesome"
21:01:24 <oklopol> ^ see, i wrote "typo" twice, typoed the first one
21:02:00 <oklopol> oerjan: did you know your nick backwards is najreo?
21:02:17 <oerjan> i had vaguely suspected it
21:02:19 <oklopol> i mean... that doesn't even mean anything
21:02:50 <oerjan> someone once told me my name forward means slave in finnish
21:02:52 <ais523> whereas oko nicks spelt backwards just look like more oko nicks
21:02:56 <oklopol> how about reversing your nick so it means something backwards?
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21:04:54 <oklopol> trying to translate olopolo is a bit hard
21:05:29 <oklopol> i mean "Xpolo" is usually translated "poor X"
21:06:07 <oklopol> but "olo" means something like "being", but not about a person, more like the act of being
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21:13:48 <AnMaster> <oerjan> the actual word is "awesome" <-- I know
21:15:39 <AnMaster> olopolo, Hm does Finnish have a lot of hard to translate meanings?
21:15:45 <AnMaster> what I would call nyanser in Swedish
21:15:53 <AnMaster> don't know the English word for it
21:16:10 <AnMaster> mib_5koloe, does it mean the same?
21:16:37 <AnMaster> I just don't remember the word
21:16:42 <mib_5koloe> AnMaster: well, it's hard to translate the meaning into English
21:16:43 <AnMaster> I know I have read the English one
21:17:24 <AnMaster> mib_5koloe, nyans when used about colours is "shade"
21:17:32 <AnMaster> not sure when used about meanings of words
21:17:43 * oerjan swats AnMaster -----###
21:17:43 <AnMaster> in Swedish it can be used for both
21:18:23 <AnMaster> Definitions of nuance on the Web:
21:18:23 <AnMaster> * a subtle difference in meaning or opinion or attitude; "without understanding the finer nuances you can't enjoy the humor"; "don't argue about ...
21:18:23 <AnMaster> wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
21:18:36 <AnMaster> I thought "nuance" was "irritating"
21:18:43 <oerjan> HOW DARE YOU NOT BELIEVE ME
21:18:57 <AnMaster> mib_5koloe, yes, but isn't there one without "a"
21:19:07 <olopolo> mib_5koloe's joke works, misunderstanding something and basing a joke on it is okay as long as it's clear what was misunderstood
21:19:13 <oerjan> where did that * come from
21:19:40 <mib_5koloe> i always rely on non-native speakers to correct my spelling and grammar
21:19:43 <AnMaster> or if you don't believe the crop circle experts, from your keyboard
21:20:05 <mib_5koloe> they approach english as more of a dark magic than a regular language
21:20:11 <mib_5koloe> so generally they're pretty good at spotting tiny things :P
21:20:13 <AnMaster> mib_5koloe, what client do you use? Mine has a spell checker built in
21:20:14 <olopolo> how can you think it's niusance if you know how to pronounce it
21:20:24 <AnMaster> while it doesn't always help, it does help a lot of the times
21:20:32 * oerjan develops a space disease and his skin turns purple with orange spots
21:20:44 <olopolo> i could understand newsans or noozonge, but not niusance
21:20:51 <mib_5koloe> but it's a pain to right click and choose an alternative.
21:21:04 <mib_5koloe> e.g. I doubt it could correct niusance
21:21:13 <olopolo> (even narlum, for the american pronunciation)
21:21:13 <AnMaster> mib_5koloe, well, mine does English as I type. However it think "doesn't" is badly spelled
21:21:20 <AnMaster> it thinks ' is a word delimiter
21:22:11 <AnMaster> olopolo, i don't know how to pronounce "nuisance"
21:22:25 <AnMaster> ALSO! Where is the damn mobile phone
21:22:45 <ais523> and silent e, ce is sort of lilke a way to say a soft c
21:22:46 <olopolo> i pronounce it roughly like new-sense
21:22:58 <AnMaster> mib_5koloe, not possible, the battery was dead last night
21:23:03 <ais523> olopolo: I think it differs by dialect
21:23:05 <AnMaster> and I don't remember where I put it
21:23:24 <ais523> mib_5koloe: the second e in that is stronger than the corresponding vowel in nuisance, which is more neutral
21:23:47 <AnMaster> ok I found it... But such a strange place...
21:23:49 <mib_5koloe> it sucks and rms loves it because it is committed to being useless by only containing 100% free software.
21:24:02 <mib_5koloe> AnMaster: THE TOILET?!!!!!!!!11111111111
21:24:27 <AnMaster> mib_5koloe, about as strange yes
21:24:41 <AnMaster> since I store the pyjamas elsewhere
21:24:48 <olopolo> i think he's asking whether you have a habit of taking a shit in your pyjamas pocket.
21:25:20 <olopolo> well that wouldn't be like you really
21:25:26 <olopolo> i mean even i don't do that
21:26:20 <oerjan> th-th-that's some st-st-st-speech impediment
21:27:20 <AnMaster> oerjan, nah, just high latency link between brain and the thingy you make sound with
21:27:27 <AnMaster> gah, what is the word in English
21:28:12 <AnMaster> wikipedia claims it is "vocal folds"
21:28:24 <AnMaster> "The vocal folds, also known commonly as vocal cords..."
21:28:30 <olopolo> what's that thing hanging from the top of the mouth, in english
21:28:32 <oerjan> do we have a vocal disagreement?
21:28:49 <mib_5koloe> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvula_piercing
21:30:41 <olopolo> "but it may make it very difficult to perform" <<< lol didn't realize at first this was about the piercing operation
21:31:02 <olopolo> "a uvula piercing might make it difficult to perform... so you'll need to take it off when you perform"
21:31:09 <olopolo> "if you know what i mean... wink wink"
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21:31:29 <olopolo> "now remove your skirt and call me a doctor"
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21:34:14 <mib_5koloe> i wonder what the longest conversation ever was.
21:40:52 <Slereah> Then it can't be longer than ten days, since it's the record for not sleeping!
21:41:05 <Slereah> And really, I assume shorter than two days, too.
21:41:15 <olopolo> Slereah: u sure about that?
21:41:49 <olopolo> i mean i've heard stories about people who've stopped sleeping completely after a disease
21:42:01 <olopolo> mib_5koloe: whooooops typo.
21:42:21 <Slereah> Also, "heard stories" is not very convincing.
21:42:35 <Slereah> I heard stories about molemen.
21:44:01 <olopolo> i wish i could stop sleeping
21:44:24 <Slereah> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation#Longest_period_without_sleep
21:44:27 <olopolo> i mean, involuntary sleeping at least
21:45:30 <olopolo> On May 25, 2007 the BBC reported that Tony Wright beat the Guinness World Record by staying awake for 11 days and nights.[42] The Guinness Book of Records has, however, withdrawn its backing of a sleep deprivation class because of the associated health risks.
21:46:13 <Slereah> So I guess that if the guy who didn't sleep for 33 years talked with the guy who didn't sleep in 20 years
21:48:06 <olopolo> lol, i could do that standing on my head
21:49:41 <Slereah> But it is not symetrical, though.
21:50:09 <psygnisfive> but it is character-wise symmetric, hence palindromic
21:51:15 <olopolo> how do you do that upside down p??
21:52:14 <olopolo> Slereah: yes it is, it's just also reversed
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22:41:10 <psygnisfive> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheGreatHatsby
22:47:05 <oerjan> psygnisfive: seems a bit fishy to me
22:52:47 <oerjan> fungot: what do you think of these conversation bots?
22:53:39 <mib_ty3fkd> apparently the coders occasionally keep in touch with the people who like them and stuff.
22:55:11 <mib_ty3fkd> http://project-upstream.awardspace.com/
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22:58:37 <mib_ty3fkd> http://community.livejournal.com/themissinghat/405326.html geez, look at the freaking whiners
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23:28:14 <psygnisfive> tho i think angkor thom is cooler than angkor wat
23:28:34 <oerjan> you mean others do it too?
23:29:09 * psygnisfive runs towards oerjan in slow motion, arms extended for embrace
23:29:10 <oerjan> i may have picked it up subconsciously then
23:31:24 <mib_ty3fkd> psygnisfive: then what the fuck are you doing talking about it on a public IRC channel?
23:31:43 <oerjan> mib_ty3fkd: that is the mystery
23:32:39 <oerjan> i've never been able to google the logs reliably
23:32:56 <mib_ty3fkd> http://gitorious.org/projects/astral-messenger/repos/mainline/blobs/master/amsg.pl Slowest messaging service ever
23:33:56 <mib_ty3fkd> psygnisfive: please don't notify about PMs in public... it's irritating
23:34:40 <mib_ty3fkd> psygnisfive: please, others have expressed annoyance at people doing it too..
23:36:23 <ais523> mib_ty3fkd: you can also be incorrect in doing so
23:37:40 <mib_ty3fkd> ais523: http://gitorious.org/projects/astral-messenger/repos/mainline/blobs/master/amsg.pl read and laugh
23:41:20 <ais523> it just randomly hashes things until it finds the original
23:43:44 <mib_ty3fkd> I would like to make a block-based, append-only, hash-identifier, distributed filesystem sometime.
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