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01:12:46 <AnMaster> did my client part there or not?
01:13:04 * AnMaster is testing a script to prevent mis-part of channels 
01:13:08 <Asztal> nope
01:13:11 <ais523> no, it didn't
01:13:11 <AnMaster> yay!
01:13:19 <AnMaster> it works then
01:13:28 <AnMaster> I made my bnc prevent part of this channel
01:15:19 <Asztal> which one of you has the slicehost server? (i.e. I currently have a blank referral code box)
01:15:27 <ais523> ehird does
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02:29:42 <olopolo> a secret fly that i know best / to keep a moment shake a bean
02:32:29 <olopolo> read a paper that is dust / to close my followers a sun of farm
02:33:10 <psygnisfive> olopolo: what
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02:43:18 <olopolo> psygnisfive: can't really muster the sanity to answer with an answer
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05:19:51 <Slereah> http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20081227.gif
05:19:52 <Slereah> :D
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06:21:33 <GregorR> These cheapbooks.com commercials make me want to overpay of books.
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12:27:08 <Mony> hihi
12:28:35 <Badger> hoho
12:28:52 <Slereah> huhu
12:28:58 <Mony> haha
12:30:59 <Slereah> hehe
12:31:27 <Badger> combo breaker etc.
12:31:45 <Slereah> Stop badgering me.
12:32:01 * Badger badgers Slereah 
12:32:46 <Slereah> Go badger some mushrooms.
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13:37:08 <mib_8myp3f> lol wat, n. "Further, why is Hindley-Milner is better than (say) Java?  "
13:37:12 <olopolo> o
13:37:22 <olopolo> hindley-milner
13:37:41 <olopolo> oh that
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15:39:27 <mib_8myp3f> .
16:32:37 <mib_8myp3f> "Hi Vic, If you learn Computer Science you know that it's possible to fake an ip-address."
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18:01:38 <olopolo> yeah that's pretty basic algorithmics
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18:34:38 <ehird> Yo peeps.
18:34:46 <ehird> I gots myself a new bouncer aye.
18:34:53 <ehird> Feels good.
18:35:39 <ehird> I see you're all very excited.
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18:49:47 <Asztal> actually, I am interested, since I'll be looking for bouncers soon
18:49:59 <ehird> Asztal: I am using http://miau.sourceforge.net/.
18:50:11 <Asztal> also, feel free to give me a slicehost referral code
18:50:19 <ehird> ha, sure
18:50:20 <ehird> let me find it
18:52:40 <ehird> but, miau is nice
18:52:50 <ehird> it does auto log replay unlike ezbounce
18:52:54 <ehird> it isn't bloated like ZNC
18:52:59 <ehird> and, uh, anything is better than psybnc
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19:01:04 <ehird> hey, Asztal, want to spam after I say "now" for 5 seconds so I can check the logging works? :P
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19:04:22 <ehird> or you oerjan?
19:04:34 <oerjan> et tu ehird
19:04:47 <ehird> just spam after I say spam.
19:04:49 <ehird> for like five seconds.
19:04:50 <ehird> spam
19:05:15 <oerjan> it would be nice to let me read the log so i could know what this is about first
19:05:53 <oerjan> <mib_8myp3f> lol wat, n. "Further, why is Hindley-Milner is better than (say) Java?  "
19:06:44 <oerjan> BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO RIGHT ALL THE FUCKING public static int[] gnarl gipple gorf types ALL THE TIME
19:06:49 <oerjan> *WRITE
19:06:55 <oerjan> DAMN YOU, MUPHRY
19:07:51 <ehird> I don't like those timestamps
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19:15:37 <olopolo> oerjan: it's actually written "write"
19:15:48 <olopolo> oh
19:15:52 <olopolo> you fixed that already
19:15:57 <olopolo> i'm terribly sorry.
19:16:09 <oerjan> YOU _WILL_ BE SORRY
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19:26:57 <ehird> hey hey
19:26:57 <ehird> guys
19:26:59 <ehird> say something in 3
19:27:00 <ehird> 2
19:27:16 <ehird> 1
19:27:18 <ehird> now
19:27:29 <fizzie> Too late!
19:27:57 <ehird> bah, fizzie, put fungot in a bot loop will you
19:27:57 <fungot> ehird: if the rule change as described by the minimum number of units of that pitch. the designation of an
19:28:00 <ehird> for a bit.
19:28:26 <oerjan> bah
19:28:27 <oerjan> humbug
19:28:29 <oerjan> fnord
19:28:31 <oerjan> gip
19:28:33 <oerjan> graf
19:28:35 <ehird> poop
19:28:35 <oerjan> glip
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19:28:47 <oerjan> gnapoleon
19:30:44 <ehird> by the way, look at my spiffy part message
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19:30:51 <ehird> Spiffy, no
19:30:53 <ehird> ?
19:30:58 <ehird> Yes.
19:30:59 <ehird> Spiffy.
19:31:03 <ehird> Hmm.
19:31:06 <ehird> It didn't do it.
19:31:09 <ehird> Let's try again.
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19:31:22 <ehird> Did it do it?
19:31:30 <Asztal> "Furthermore,"
19:32:05 <olopolo> morder four
19:32:10 <olopolo> *murder
19:32:42 <oerjan> thermofurs
19:32:42 <ehird> huray
19:32:47 <ehird> thermoflask
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19:54:55 <GregorR> rinsmaster ... the MASTER of RINSING
19:55:02 <GregorR> No one can rinse like rinsmaster.
19:55:11 <ehird> hi rinsmaster
19:55:15 <ehird> sacrificed the goats
19:55:15 <ehird> ?
19:55:19 <rinsmaster> heh, hi all
19:55:34 <ehird> do not take the goats lightly :|
19:55:48 <rinsmaster> what is rinsing actually
19:55:52 <rinsmaster> I'm not that good at english
19:55:58 <rinsmaster> @GregorR
19:56:02 <oerjan> the goats need some heavy scrubbing
19:56:16 <rinsmaster> my nick comes from my sirname: Rinsma
19:56:19 <ehird> http://www.answers.com/rinsing
19:56:24 <ehird> To wash lightly with water.
19:56:39 <rinsmaster> heh
19:57:08 * GregorR reappears
19:57:11 <GregorR> Yeah, what ehird said.
19:57:17 <GregorR> Not a skill many choose to master :P
19:57:25 <rinsmaster> hehe
19:57:31 <rinsmaster> I had no choise
19:57:35 <rinsmaster> I was born with it
19:57:49 <oerjan> rinsma on steroids
19:57:54 -!- GregorR has set topic: ++++++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++>++++>+++++++++<<<<-]>++++++.>++++..<++++++++.>>++.-----------..<.+.<--.---------.>--.>-.<----.+++.<++.>>+.>.<<----.<--.+.>>.<--.+++.<+.>++++.>.<<--.>.----.+++++.<.>--.<++++.------.>>. HAHAH OKLOPOL.
19:58:08 <oerjan> ^bf ++++++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++>++++>+++++++++<<<<-]>++++++.>++++..<++++++++.>>++.-----------..<.+.<--.---------.>--.>-.<----.+++.<++.>>+.>.<<----.<--.+.>>.<--.+++.<+.>++++.>.<<--.>.----.+++++.<.>--.<++++.------.>>.
19:58:08 <fungot> http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
19:58:53 <rinsmaster> heh, an irc BF-bot? nice
19:59:06 * GregorR has one he never puts online anymore :P
19:59:13 <ehird> rinsmaster: it's written in befunge.
19:59:26 <ehird> http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt
19:59:27 <fungot> ehird: the ideal voting entitlement circulation level ( aicl) is the recordkeepor of the case was initiated is not
19:59:32 <rinsmaster> ah
19:59:57 <rinsmaster> [spam] I made a visual bf-interpreter a few months ago, using ncurses
20:00:09 <rinsmaster> it shows the stack status and you can step through the commands
20:00:13 <rinsmaster> [/spam]
20:00:22 <ehird> :)
20:00:43 <rinsmaster> I should rewrite it in Bf though, the current one's in C
20:00:57 <ehird> lol :)
20:01:20 <rinsmaster> But I guess calling libs isn't possible in bf
20:01:31 <oerjan> rinsmaster: that's not spam, it's more on-topic than what we usually have here :D
20:01:52 <rinsmaster> oerjan, ok :)
20:02:43 <oerjan> also, sgeo would probably try to push PSOX on you for interfacing bf with
20:04:01 <oerjan> and i'm sure someone mentioned a befunge curses fingerprint the other day, so at least some funge-98 interpreters probably have that
20:04:35 <Asztal> hmmmmmm
20:04:52 <Asztal> I may write my website in befunge.
20:04:54 <rinsmaster> I think I found a real rinsmaster.. http://commtechlab.msu.edu/sites/aslweb/R/W3389.htm
20:04:58 <ehird> Asztal: FORFORFORFORFOR
20:05:09 <ehird> rinsmaster: that's YOU!
20:05:23 <rinsmaster> nah
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21:17:11 <ehird> Asztal: chunkybacon.org?
21:17:13 <ehird> awesome
21:20:39 <Asztal> :)
21:21:10 <ehird> Asztal: 's that on miau then?
21:21:21 <Asztal> not yet, it's irssi
21:21:23 <ehird> unless you've always been connected on that hostname
21:21:25 <ehird> and I just didn't notice
21:21:44 <ehird> Asztal: what distro did you put on it?
21:22:57 <Asztal_> I feel slightly shamed to say that it's ubanto, I'm considering debian instead
21:23:10 <ehird> Asztal: I have ubuntu on my slice, too.
21:23:22 <ehird> It's alright, I mean, it's Debian except stuff is less than 5 years old.
21:23:29 <ehird> Asztal: I'd recommend compiling stuff by hand mostly, though.
21:23:36 <ehird> (Use checkinstall to avoid cluttering stuff up).
21:23:46 <ehird> Also, there are a few ssh tricks you can do to speed it up a lot if you're interested.
21:23:55 <Asztal> I am indeed interested :)
21:24:52 <Asztal> miau looks nice and small, too, better than muh hopefully
21:25:10 <ehird> it's a muh fork
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21:50:17 <olopolo> sleep! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
21:50:17 <olopolo> ->
21:50:17 <Mony> HUGE
21:50:18 <ehird> i believe in chicken
21:50:19 <ehird> and some other thing
21:50:19 <ehird> s
21:50:20 <olopolo> death by chicken
21:50:21 <Mony> i believe in angels
21:50:21 <ehird> I believe in death by angel chickens
21:50:51 <Mony> i believe in people who believes in death by angel chickens
21:51:04 <ehird> wow
21:51:19 <Mony> heh
21:51:36 <oerjan> let's not chicken out here
21:52:11 <Mony> let's made an esolang named "death by angel chicken"
21:52:28 <ehird> Commands:
21:52:38 <ehird> death(X,Y) - X must be Angel. Y must be Chicken.
21:52:44 <ehird> Death by X Y happens.
21:52:59 <ehird> esolang of the year award plz
21:53:56 <Mony> ^bf ++++++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++>++++>+++++++++<<<<-]>++++++.>++++..<++++++++.>>++.-----------..<.+.<--.---------.>--.>-.<----.+++.<++.>>+.>.<<----.<--.+.>>.<--.+++.<+.>++++.>.<<--.>.----.+++++.<.>--.<++++.------.>>.
21:53:56 <fungot> http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
21:54:04 <Mony> :o
21:54:15 <Mony> nice
21:54:28 <Mony> i love esolangs :]
21:54:40 <Mony> i love esolanging too
21:54:44 <ais523> Mony: busy losing zen-ness points?
21:55:25 <Mony> err... well... i don't understand >_>
21:55:42 <oerjan> that's SO zen
21:55:57 <AnMaster> heh
21:56:00 <AnMaster> hi ais523
21:56:07 <oerjan> now, when you manage to understand and not understand simultaneously, you are ready
21:56:08 <AnMaster> how goes merging those patches from me btw?
21:56:12 <AnMaster> for ick
21:56:46 <ais523> not at all, I'm suffering from enforced holiday
21:56:56 <AnMaster> ais523, oh?
21:56:59 <AnMaster> what does that mean?
21:57:03 <ais523> staying over with relatives
21:57:14 <AnMaster> ais523, that is why you have internet?
21:57:17 <ais523> yes
21:57:20 <ais523> amazingly
21:57:21 <ehird> relatives never have the internet
21:57:22 <ehird> ever
21:57:24 <ais523> I don't at home, as you know
21:57:31 <ehird> i do
21:57:33 <ehird> just my 2c
21:57:37 <AnMaster> ais523, also any idea when you will be able to merge those my patches
21:57:51 <ais523> well, then if I went on holiday at ehird's I'd have internet access
21:57:57 <AnMaster> ehird, well usually relatives don't have internet that you can use, or it is 28 K modem + windows 98
21:58:00 <ehird> that would not be much of a holiday
21:58:06 <AnMaster> so yes I know what you mean
21:58:14 <ais523> ehird: neither is this
21:58:27 <AnMaster> ais523, why are you staying then :P
21:58:28 <ais523> AnMaster: I'll merge the patches before the next version release
21:58:40 <ehird> AnMaster: keyword enforced
21:58:41 <AnMaster> ais523, any fixed release date yet?
21:58:43 <ais523> AnMaster: I wouldn't be able to eat otherwise
21:58:46 <ais523> AnMaster: no, there never is
21:58:52 <AnMaster> ais523, out of money!?
21:58:53 <AnMaster> ouch
21:58:55 <ais523> although the chance of a release on or before April 1 is quite high
21:59:04 <ais523> AnMaster: no, not out of money
21:59:14 <AnMaster> then how do you mean not able to eat?
21:59:19 <ais523> just I live with my family, and all the food's coming over here
21:59:24 <AnMaster> heh
21:59:26 <ais523> I would have to go shopping myself to avoid the holiday
21:59:37 <oerjan> "Wolfram prize winner squanders money in just a year"
21:59:40 <AnMaster> ais523, 1) you live with your family 2) you don't have internet?
21:59:47 <AnMaster> what sort of family is that ;P
21:59:52 <AnMaster> no offence meant
21:59:58 <ehird> AnMaster: one that he lives with and doesn't have internet?
22:00:01 <ehird> I'm just going out on a limb here.
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22:00:04 <AnMaster> ehird, well yeah
22:00:07 <AnMaster> duh
22:00:09 <ehird> Making wild and wacky assumptions, y'know.
22:00:18 <ais523> AnMaster: actually I get a lot more work done when I'm not Internet-connecte
22:00:20 <ais523> *connected
22:00:20 <AnMaster> but it is unusual
22:00:23 <AnMaster> ais523, heh
22:00:28 <ais523> for instance, nearly all my ick work is done without Internet access
22:00:34 <ais523> also nearly all my work for University
22:00:35 <ehird> i couldn't really use a computer without the internet.
22:00:40 <AnMaster> ais523, I get a lot more done when I have access to google
22:00:57 <AnMaster> or I would be coding NIH-style
22:01:08 <ehird> I love coding NIH-style.
22:01:12 <AnMaster> which equals to getting less useful done
22:01:27 <ehird> you work on cfunge
22:01:29 <AnMaster> ehird, I don't reinvent an existing library unless there is a very good reason
22:01:32 <ehird> it's not useful anyway
22:01:38 <AnMaster> I use existing libraries
22:01:43 <AnMaster> for a lot of common things
22:01:46 <ais523> AnMaster: I don't normally end up doing the sort of thing that needs libraries, existing or not
22:01:54 <ehird> I reinvent existing libraries because most libraries suck hard.
22:02:07 <AnMaster> ehird, well that is a good reason to do it
22:02:20 <ehird> AnMaster: I have high standards.
22:02:22 <AnMaster> but just consider stuff like this nice genx you recommended to me ehird
22:02:30 <ehird> Yes, genx is good.
22:02:35 <ehird> AnMaster: But you didn't want to use it. :P
22:02:59 <AnMaster> ehird, I did use it, I just said I had to fix a lot of code in it, because it didn't use "const" where it should, causing a lot of warnings
22:03:04 <AnMaster> also there were a few other issues
22:03:07 <ehird> AnMaster: "fix" is arguable.
22:03:11 <ehird> The code worked beforehand.
22:03:16 <AnMaster> ehird, there was a mem leak too iirc
22:03:19 <ehird> all you did was satisfy a pedantic compiler that should be able to work that out for itself
22:03:23 <AnMaster> check the revision history for details
22:03:23 <ehird> ok, memory leak i can understand.
22:03:24 <AnMaster> :P
22:03:27 <ehird> I assume you've submitted patches.
22:03:37 <AnMaster> ehird, I think I did, but mail bounced
22:03:43 <AnMaster> so I didn't bother then
22:03:48 <ehird> To Tim Bray? That's a bit unlikely.
22:03:59 <AnMaster> ehird, black listing the isp I use iirc
22:04:01 <AnMaster> *shrug*
22:04:15 <ehird> AnMaster: where did you send it to? tim.bray@sun.com?
22:04:25 <AnMaster> ehird, whatever was listed on the genx website
22:04:27 <AnMaster> I don't remember
22:04:32 <AnMaster> it was several months ago
22:05:02 * ehird looks
22:05:04 <AnMaster> whatever was listed in the genx code and/or on the genx website
22:05:11 <AnMaster> could have been either
22:05:29 <ehird> I don't see an email.
22:05:43 <AnMaster> ehird, must have been in the library source then
22:05:50 <AnMaster> *shrug*
22:05:50 <ehird> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/genx/genx.c
22:05:52 <ehird> nope
22:06:37 <AnMaster> ehird, then I don't know from where, oh wait just an idea: maybe the website changed
22:06:40 <AnMaster> yes I think it has
22:06:48 <AnMaster> it used to have a yellow theme I think
22:06:52 <ehird> Er, no.
22:06:55 <ehird> It was like that last time.
22:07:04 <ehird> Also, the last-mod date is 2004 :P
22:07:11 <AnMaster> true
22:08:00 <ehird> I should write a library.
22:08:04 <ehird> AnMaster: what should I write a library for?
22:08:40 <AnMaster> well it was linked somewhere on the site, may not have been the genx part. but checking my email address tab complete one *was* sent to tim.bray@sun.com
22:08:56 <AnMaster> ehird, hm library
22:08:58 <AnMaster> what language?
22:09:02 <AnMaster> C or python or what?
22:09:04 <ehird> C, probably.
22:09:07 <AnMaster> hm
22:09:23 <ehird> I could write Yet Another String Library, if I hated myself. I don't, though.
22:09:37 <AnMaster> ehird, hm something like lua, embedded scripting language, but embedding an esolang
22:09:38 <AnMaster> like
22:09:39 <oerjan> ehird: you should write a library for libraries, so you can do libraries while you do libraries.  dawg.
22:09:52 <AnMaster> using intercal for embedded scripting language
22:09:53 <AnMaster> or whatever
22:10:04 <AnMaster> oerjan, that idea was nice too
22:10:12 <ehird> AnMaster: That's not very helpful because they generally don't let you do non-stdio IO
22:10:12 <oerjan> <- always at the tail end of the newest memes
22:10:26 <AnMaster> ehird, hm you have to expand a bit yes
22:10:36 <ehird> Also, INTERCAL would require reading ick's source.
22:10:42 <ehird> And, uh
22:10:42 <ehird> .
22:10:52 <oerjan> "ick"
22:11:03 <AnMaster> ehird, I made patches to ick and I can say it isn't that bad
22:11:27 <AnMaster> hm whatever you select: need to be some language with a "syntax", and has functions or something like it
22:11:31 <AnMaster> so intercal would work
22:11:42 <AnMaster> you could add entry points like that
22:11:49 <ehird> I think I'd rather make something else. :P
22:11:53 <AnMaster> ehird, but it would be hard in brainfuck
22:11:57 <AnMaster> or befunge
22:12:38 <ais523> ehird: CLC-INTERCAL has non-stdio IO
22:12:45 <AnMaster> hah!
22:12:51 <AnMaster> ais523, it is perl though
22:12:54 * ehird kills himself
22:13:08 * oerjan performs the autopsy
22:13:47 <AnMaster> also befunge has non-stdio IO
22:14:01 <AnMaster> but it doesn't work due to the other previously mentioned issues
22:14:29 <Asztal_> it has entry points, of a sort
22:14:39 <AnMaster> ehird, what is your opinion on PHP PDO? Yes it sucks because it is PHP, but apart from that?
22:14:45 <ehird> umm
22:14:47 <ehird> it's php.
22:14:55 <ehird> i mean that's like
22:15:04 <ehird> hey ehird what's your opinion on this java library
22:15:05 <AnMaster> ehird, yes exactly, but what about the pdo module?
22:15:11 <oerjan> AnMaster: it's against his religion to comment on a php program
22:15:14 <ehird> What does it do again?
22:15:17 <AnMaster> oerjan, ah!
22:15:21 <AnMaster> ehird, database abstraction
22:15:21 <ehird> Ah, DB layer.
22:15:24 <AnMaster> yes
22:15:38 <ehird> Doesn't look all that hot; maybe as a backing for an ORM.
22:15:43 <ehird> But I wouldn't use it raw.
22:15:51 <ehird> Correction: I wouldn't use PHP.
22:16:00 <AnMaster> ORM? Ocular Ramification Manager?
22:16:12 <ehird> Object-Relational Mapper.
22:16:13 <psygnisfive> hey ehird
22:16:15 <AnMaster> ah
22:16:18 <ehird> tl;dr - It puts yer tables in objects.
22:16:35 <AnMaster> ehird, spelling("tl;dr")?
22:16:41 <ehird> Too Long; Didn't Read.
22:16:44 <AnMaster> ah
22:16:48 <psygnisfive> ehird: actually, it puts your rows in objects
22:16:52 <psygnisfive> and your tables in classes :p
22:16:54 <ehird> psygnisfive: Thank you for that.
22:17:07 <psygnisfive> unless youre using ruby where classes are objects
22:17:08 <psygnisfive> then yes
22:17:09 <psygnisfive> ;D
22:17:19 <ehird> Wow, because that is a Ruby-specific feature.
22:17:25 <AnMaster> no it isn't
22:17:28 <psygnisfive> no
22:17:34 <ehird> Wow, because you can detect sarcasm, AnMaster.
22:17:48 <psygnisfive> just because you here more about ORM and EEISO these days from ruby than anything else
22:17:54 <AnMaster> ehird, I did, and I was clarifying it for psygnisfive
22:17:58 <ehird> no you don't, psygnisfive
22:18:04 <psygnisfive> i do!
22:18:08 <ehird> You hear more about it from them because that's all you're listening to.
22:18:18 <psygnisfive> im not listening to them at all
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22:18:56 * AnMaster is listening to Mendelssohn - Violin Concerto in E minor, Op.64 2nd. mvmt
22:19:04 <ehird> AnMaster: Please no.
22:19:11 <ehird> We don't need that spam in here ...
22:19:11 <AnMaster> ehird, it was hand typed
22:19:14 <AnMaster> and indeed
22:19:20 <AnMaster> I was watching the reactions
22:19:23 <AnMaster> it is always interesting
22:19:27 <AnMaster> I dislike it myself
22:19:31 <AnMaster> :P
22:19:32 * ehird is listening to 500 kittens - I LOVE KITTENS AND RABIES (9999999999999:999)
22:19:37 * ehird is listening to 500 kittens - I LOVE KITTENS AND BABIES (9999999999999:999)
22:19:41 * ehird is listening to 500 kittens - I LOVE KITTENS AND SATAN (6:66)
22:19:42 <oerjan> O_O
22:19:44 <AnMaster> exactly
22:19:54 <AnMaster> ehird, it sucks I fully agree
22:20:16 <AnMaster> Wow, because you can detect a social experiment, ehird.
22:20:20 * psygnisfive is listening to Iron Maiden - Number of the Beast
22:20:27 <AnMaster> psygnisfive, argh
22:20:27 <AnMaster> no
22:20:30 * oerjan is listening to computer fan
22:20:35 <AnMaster> oerjan++
22:20:40 <ehird> AnMaster: intolerant much
22:20:44 <psygnisfive> anmaster, you dont like the song?
22:20:47 <AnMaster> ehird, oh yes
22:20:48 <psygnisfive> its a great song!
22:20:56 <ehird> AnMaster doesn't like anything that isn't classical.
22:20:59 <AnMaster> psygnisfive, I don't like now playing, and I don't like rock
22:21:05 <AnMaster> or rap or whatever that is
22:21:09 <psygnisfive> ...
22:21:16 <ehird> IRON MAIDEN: Rock or rap. Or whatever that is. Get off my lawn.
22:21:21 <AnMaster> ehird, what?
22:21:21 <psygnisfive> i think because you dont even know what genre it is
22:21:33 <AnMaster> psygnisfive, well what is it then?
22:21:33 <psygnisfive> that you cant justifiably make a comment on it because of its genre.
22:21:42 <psygnisfive> ill let you figure that out, you're smart
22:22:07 <AnMaster> psygnisfive, I think I read before what genre it was, but I don't remember exactly
22:22:14 <AnMaster> one of those on r iirc
22:22:21 <ehird> what
22:22:24 <AnMaster> so yes it makes sense
22:22:51 <psygnisfive> i think anmaster might be drunk
22:22:54 <AnMaster> "Iron Maiden are a British heavy metal band", so yes rock
22:23:02 <psygnisfive> heavy metal is not rock
22:23:03 <psygnisfive> thanks for playing
22:23:06 <AnMaster> psygnisfive, I never drink alcohol
22:23:12 <AnMaster> "Heavy metal (often referred to simply as metal) is a genre of rock music[1]"
22:23:15 <AnMaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music
22:23:21 <ehird> AnMaster: not all genres with guitars in are rock
22:23:23 <psygnisfive> wikipedia is wrong in that regard.
22:23:29 <AnMaster> psygnisfive, citation?
22:23:43 <ehird> correctness > citation
22:23:44 <oerjan> guantanamo music
22:23:54 <AnMaster> psygnisfive, since wikipedia has a citation for that I suggest you add a citation for your statement too
22:23:59 <ehird> oh shut up AnMaster
22:24:08 <psygnisfive> thats sort of like saying that hip hop is a genre of rock
22:24:12 <ehird> just because they have a goddamn citation and psygnisfive doesn't doesn't mean they're right
22:24:12 <psygnisfive> or rock is a genre of blues
22:24:14 <AnMaster> and in Sweden heavy metal is known as "heavy metal rock"
22:24:15 <AnMaster> so
22:24:16 <ehird> its' subjective to a degree
22:24:17 <AnMaster> I would agree'
22:24:22 <ehird> but not totally
22:24:23 <AnMaster> s/'//
22:24:42 <AnMaster> ehird, <AnMaster> and in Sweden heavy metal is known as "heavy metal rock"
22:24:54 <ehird> yeah who gives a shit what it is in your language
22:25:00 <AnMaster> ehird, you don't I see
22:25:02 <psygnisfive> AnMaster, in American, heavy metal is known as "heavy metal not rock"
22:25:04 <ehird> i'm sure you could derive all sorts of crap from english words
22:25:05 <ais523> ehird: everyone who speaks Swedish?
22:25:11 <AnMaster> psygnisfive, maybe it is, *shrug*
22:25:12 <ehird> ais523: in context.
22:25:31 <AnMaster> ais523, would you call heavy metal a type of rock or not?
22:26:00 <psygnisfive> heavy metal is itself a genre of metal
22:26:31 <ehird> Metal is rock-descended, but it is not rock.
22:28:29 <psygnisfive> i bet anmaster thinks punk is a genre of rock
22:28:34 <ais523> AnMaster: I don't know, I've never listened to it
22:28:40 <AnMaster> no I don't think punk is that
22:28:43 <AnMaster> psygnisfive, why would I?
22:28:57 <psygnisfive> because punk has about as much connection to rock as metal does
22:28:59 <psygnisfive> except less so
22:29:03 <psygnisfive> since metal diverged earlier
22:29:46 <AnMaster> psygnisfive, however wikipedia has this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_rock
22:29:52 <AnMaster> *shrug'
22:29:56 <AnMaster> s/'/*/
22:30:02 <psygnisfive> OH NO ANMASTER PUNK IS ROCK YOU WERE WRONG
22:30:33 <AnMaster> psygnisfive, what the heck are you on?
22:30:44 <psygnisfive> a chair.
22:30:50 <AnMaster> psygnisfive, good for you
22:31:02 <ehird> AnMaster: wikipedia is not always correct just because someone who they deem reliable says so
22:31:04 <AnMaster> but something else too or you wouldn't use all caps
22:31:23 <ehird> that was sarcasti-emphasis.
22:31:27 <psygnisfive> ehird, dont bother
22:31:34 <psygnisfive> anmaster has proven his lack of intelligence.
22:31:41 <AnMaster> ehird, I don't think wikipedia is always reliable, but I always heard heavy metal referred to as a type of rock
22:32:11 <psygnisfive> and Finland is a Nordic country.
22:32:21 <ehird> AnMaster is swedish.
22:32:26 <psygnisfive> I know.
22:32:55 <psygnisfive> a large number of swedonoregmarkians dislike it when Finland is said to be nordic.
22:33:33 <AnMaster> interesting, if anyone agreed with you two I would expect to see something about it on the talk page on wikipedia
22:33:51 <ehird> /facepalm
22:33:53 <AnMaster> there is nothing as far as I can see at a quick glance about heavy metal not being a type or rock
22:34:01 <oerjan> psygnisfive: i think you are confusing nordic with scandinavian
22:34:03 <ehird> everything is tribal music
22:34:07 <ehird> because it descended from tribal music
22:34:08 <psygnisfive> same thing
22:34:09 <psygnisfive> :P
22:34:10 <ehird> My logic is _infallable_
22:34:11 <AnMaster> psygnisfive, and Finland is nordic, what about it?
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22:34:21 * oerjan swats psygnisfive -----###
22:34:26 <psygnisfive> rawr
22:34:28 <psygnisfive> do it again ;O
22:35:56 <oerjan> everything is primordial grunts
22:36:17 <ehird> everything is the big bang
22:36:19 <psygnisfive> ook ook ook
22:38:34 <Asztal> Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook!
22:39:34 <Mony> Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook.
22:39:56 <Mony> is there a OokOok interpreter bot here ? :p
22:41:38 <Asztal> That one was equivalent to +[.
22:41:45 <AnMaster> sed + fungot would work
22:41:46 <fungot> AnMaster: a transfer takes place when the first subsequent publication of a forum without objection that the organization have no effect,
22:41:53 <AnMaster> ^help
22:41:53 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
22:41:55 <AnMaster> ^style
22:41:56 <fungot> Available: agora* alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc lovecraft pa speeches ss wp
22:42:00 <AnMaster> hm
22:42:21 <AnMaster> ^style irc
22:42:21 <fungot> Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams)
22:42:52 <ehird> ^style agora
22:42:52 <fungot> Selected style: agora (a large selection of Agora rules, both current and historical)
22:51:18 <AnMaster> ehird, why changing back? Have anything against other styles?
22:51:23 <ehird> yes.
22:51:24 <ehird> they are not agora.
22:57:52 <ehird> Man, Agora is so much better than .
22:57:53 <ehird> B
22:58:20 <ais523> ehird: feel free to storm out of ##nomic in a huff because you don't like it; however, do not feel free to turn #esoteric into ##nomic as a consequence
22:58:45 <ehird> #esoteric is always offtopic. deal with it
22:58:57 <oerjan> we could make an #esoteric nomic whose only rule was that nomic games in #esoteric are forbidden
22:59:11 <ehird> oerjan: where's the self-amendment?
22:59:33 <ais523> ehird: that's done purely using scams
23:00:06 <oerjan> we could have a fake history of how the self-amendment rule was amended away
23:00:20 <ais523> oerjan: arguably a game ceases to be a nomic if that happens
23:00:22 -!- ehird has set topic: #esotermic: Rule 1. Games of nomic cabot be played in #esoteric..
23:00:44 <ehird> "Cabot" is a little-known word meaning "can be amended, this is one, and this is the only method by which they can"
23:00:52 <oerjan> i see Muphry is a player
23:01:09 <ehird> "Games of nomic acn be amended, this is one, and this is the only method by which they can be played in #esoteric."
23:01:11 <ehird> Luvely.
23:01:39 <ais523> olopolo: ehird's taken the log link out of the topic again
23:01:47 <ehird> ais523: it wasn't there a second ago.
23:01:52 <ais523> yes it was
23:01:55 <ais523> just it wasn't written in English
23:02:02 <ais523> nor in ASCII
23:02:15 <ehird> ais523: yeah a turing complete language isn't a valid form of expressing a constant :P
23:02:17 <oerjan> also, is esotermic somewhere between endotermic and exotermic?
23:02:51 <ais523> ehird: that isn't TC, that was written in single-loop BF which is clearly a non-TC language
23:03:05 <ehird> ok, s/turing complete/possibly-infinite/
23:03:39 <ehird> hey, esolangs are much better than B too.
23:03:43 <ehird> the possibilities are endless.
23:03:47 <ehird> AnMaster: come up with a library for me to make yet?
23:04:32 <AnMaster> ehird, I made my suggestion
23:04:36 <AnMaster> and so did oerjan iirc
23:04:41 <AnMaster> both were good IMO
23:04:44 <ehird> oerjan's was a meme joke.
23:04:46 <AnMaster> and no I don't have any other
23:04:52 <AnMaster> ehird, yes so why not do it still
23:05:02 <AnMaster> oh that would be good
23:05:04 <AnMaster> memlib
23:05:04 <ehird> a library for a library is so vague it's hopeless
23:05:05 <AnMaster> or
23:05:07 <AnMaster> libmeme
23:05:15 <AnMaster> libmeme or memeli b
23:05:15 <oerjan> C'est la même chose
23:05:16 <AnMaster> err
23:05:18 <AnMaster> libmeme or memelib
23:05:28 <ehird> libibido
23:05:43 <AnMaster> oerjan, I don't know French... "This is the meme ?)
23:05:45 <AnMaster> err
23:05:50 <AnMaster> s7)/"/
23:05:52 <AnMaster> gah
23:05:56 <AnMaster> s/7/\//
23:06:05 <oerjan> "It's the same thing", i think
23:06:09 <AnMaster> ah
23:07:17 <oerjan> it's part of a famous quote
23:07:31 <AnMaster> oh? who said/wrote it?
23:08:17 <oerjan> not sure
23:08:31 <oerjan> possibly s/quote/idiom/
23:10:32 <AnMaster> ah
23:11:05 <oerjan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Alphonse_Karr
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23:12:54 * ehird hacks up irc client to display quicklog timestamp as _real_ timestamp
23:13:00 <ehird> nice solution or what :)
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23:14:36 <GregorR> http://www.safetyglassesusa.com/frosclearlen.html Think these look too dorky as a mount for a HMD?
23:14:42 <AnMaster> hm
23:14:52 <AnMaster> ehird, nice indeed
23:14:59 <AnMaster> ehird, what bnc are you using now?
23:15:03 <ehird> AnMaster: miau, it's great
23:15:07 <AnMaster> ah nice
23:15:07 <ehird> http://miau.sourceforge.net/
23:15:24 <ehird> nicely, the client I use is written in ruby + cocoa
23:15:26 <AnMaster> ehird, most likely not going to change since I have a working solution myself
23:15:29 <ehird> so this should be easy enough
23:15:41 * ehird will part/join in rapid succession as he debugs, though :P
23:15:52 <ehird> but you won't see it
23:15:56 <ehird> due to bouncerimation
23:16:01 <AnMaster> ehird, indeed
23:16:12 <AnMaster> znc has the same feature if I want
23:16:17 <AnMaster> I can turn on sticky channel
23:16:36 <ehird> hai
23:16:39 <AnMaster> in fact I have set #esoteric as sticky
23:16:47 <AnMaster> afk for a bit
23:16:58 <ehird> rehai
23:17:07 <ehird> ok,shows up as PRIVMSG #esoteric :rehai
23:17:21 <ehird> this will be the place
23:17:30 <ehird> AnMaster: can you please say hi in 3 seconds, twice?
23:17:32 <ehird> thx
23:18:52 <oerjan> revehai
23:19:47 <ehird> well thanks oerjan
23:20:40 <ehird> oerjan: do it again please?
23:21:39 <oerjan> hvithai
23:22:07 <ehird> EXCELLERATING DEBUGGINOMS
23:22:11 <ehird> ^.^
23:22:31 <ehird> ["23:21 ", nil, "<ehird> ", "Playing quicklog...", :notice, :myself, "ehird", nil, false, 2]
23:22:33 <ehird> ["23:21 ", nil, "<ehird> ", "End of quicklog.", :notice, :myself, "ehird", nil, false, 2]
23:22:37 <ehird> Hokay.
23:22:47 <ehird> So, when that happens, i go into quicklog mode.
23:26:08 <ehird> hey oerjan
23:26:10 <ehird> wanna do it a third time? :3
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23:26:30 <ais523> I don't think that was ment to happen..
23:26:57 <oerjan> so that's what happens when i notice a ping too late
23:27:02 * oerjan feels the power
23:27:19 <oerjan> food ->
23:28:17 <ehird> did that WORK?
23:28:19 <ehird> holy cee-rap
23:28:25 <ehird> it effing worked
23:28:28 <ehird> AnMaster: this is AMAZING.
23:28:30 <ehird> :O
23:28:43 <ehird> I modified a full GUI application by adding a few lines and
23:28:45 <ehird> tried it the first time
23:28:46 <ehird> and it worked.
23:28:48 <ehird> completely.
23:28:50 <ehird> THAT IS AWESOME.
23:28:51 <ehird> :D
23:29:06 <ehird>  a
23:29:08 <ehird>     a
23:29:09 <ehird>   a
23:29:12 <ehird> Ah, maybe slight problem.
23:29:24 <ais523> were those as deliberate?
23:29:39 <ehird> Nope, no problem.
23:29:41 <ehird> ais523: what
23:29:48 <ais523> you said a three times
23:29:54 <ehird> ah
23:29:55 <ehird> yes
23:29:56 <ais523> I was asking if it was deliberate
23:29:57 <Asztal> oh, crap, he won
23:30:01 <Asztal> triple A :(
23:31:07 <ehird> lol
23:31:08 <ehird> http://pastie.org/348641
23:31:25 <ehird> ^ the entirety of the changes I had to do to get quicklog timestamps as the real timestamps
23:31:57 <ehird> well
23:31:59 <ehird> I also added that end
23:32:01 <ehird> :P
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23:33:25 <ehird> it works perfectly
23:33:28 <ehird> aaaaaawwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeesoooooommmmmmmmeeeeeee
23:33:43 <ehird> AnMaster: BET YOU COULDN'T DO THAT WITH YER X11 AND YER KDE AND YER C++
23:34:33 <Mony> bye
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23:34:41 <GregorR> <GregorR> http://www.safetyglassesusa.com/frosclearlen.html Think these look too dorky as a mount for a HMD?
23:36:30 <ehird> GregorR: THIS IS TOTALLY KICKASS.
23:36:58 <GregorR> ... not a useful answer :P
23:37:22 <ehird> no i mean
23:37:24 <ehird> MY LOGGER
23:37:25 <ehird> is kickass
23:37:27 * oerjan was reminded of the xkcd comic about cory doctorow.  admittedly that was before he clicked the link
23:37:27 <ehird> :3
23:37:58 <oerjan> m wait what's an HMD
23:38:35 <oerjan> ah
23:38:38 <GregorR> Head-mounted display
23:38:56 <ehird> bu
23:38:56 <ehird> t
23:38:57 <oerjan> i think that means the answer is yes a priori
23:38:59 <ehird> a
23:39:06 <oerjan> without even looking at the glasses
23:39:28 <GregorR> HMDs = instant awesome, if you can't see that then your opinion is invalidated :P
23:39:44 <AnMaster> back
23:39:44 <ehird> 23:39 Error(477): #esoteric [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
23:39:47 <ehird> ^ fuck off freenode
23:39:48 <oerjan> things can be instant awesome in a dorky way
23:40:11 <AnMaster> <ehird> AnMaster: can you please say hi in 3 seconds, twice? <-- you didn't see this like 3 lines above: <AnMaster> afk for a bit
23:40:46 <AnMaster> <ehird> AnMaster: BET YOU COULDN'T DO THAT WITH YER X11 AND YER KDE AND YER C++ <-- ?? I don't code in C++
23:40:54 <ehird> yes and?
23:40:57 <AnMaster> and I believe you could do it in lisp
23:41:02 <ehird> sure you could.
23:41:03 <AnMaster> which is what my irc client is coded in
23:41:06 <ehird> but it's easier in ruby. :P
23:41:10 <oerjan> is there a correlation between not coding in C++ and not drinking alcohol?
23:41:15 <ehird> plus it'd be just as easy to modify the cocoa gui.
23:41:30 <AnMaster> ehird, how is X11 related to changing timestamps?
23:41:38 <AnMaster> for me irc client and X11 aren't related
23:41:42 <ehird> because my irc client is a graphical app, because I live in the 21st century
23:41:43 <ehird> and you don't
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23:42:05 <AnMaster> ehird, well, since irc is textual, it is still mainly text centric
23:42:18 <ehird> name list, channel list, etc.
23:42:20 <ehird> topic bar
23:42:24 <AnMaster> sure indeed
23:42:31 <AnMaster> ehird, what is the !!?
23:42:36 <AnMaster> looks like a strange type of diff
23:42:40 <ehird> AnMaster: see the top of the paste
23:42:44 <AnMaster> ah
23:42:45 <AnMaster> right
23:43:00 <AnMaster> ehird, what is wrong with the normal diff -u format?
23:43:08 <ehird> i didn't store a copy of the original.
23:43:13 <AnMaster> ah ok makes senser
23:43:15 <AnMaster> sense*
23:43:15 <ehird> :P
23:43:32 <ehird> Wonder if miau can reload the rc without restarting. Ah, fuck it.
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23:43:42 <AnMaster> ehird, right there is nothing that using coca there as far as I can see
23:43:56 <AnMaster> it would work just the same if it did console output
23:44:01 <ehird> AnMaster: no, there isn't
23:44:03 <ehird> but I meant I could do it with a gui part just as easily :P
23:44:03 <AnMaster> since it only changes time stamps it seems
23:44:08 <ehird> see ^
23:44:16 <AnMaster> <ehird> AnMaster: BET YOU COULDN'T DO THAT WITH YER X11 AND YER KDE AND YER C++
23:44:16 <AnMaster> err
23:44:21 <AnMaster> that sounded like not so
23:44:33 <ehird> I was just trolling. :p
23:45:05 <AnMaster> right
23:45:17 <AnMaster> ehird, I believe it would be rather easy in erc too
23:45:20 <ehird> I wonder what the best practice is for something that seems like an /etc/init.d/ thing, but that is for one specific user.
23:45:27 <AnMaster> I would just have to change the format output hook a bit
23:45:33 <AnMaster> I already use a custom one
23:45:34 <ehird> miau runs as my user and uses ~/.miau/ for stuff.
23:45:37 <AnMaster> so I could easily do it
23:45:46 <ehird> But putting something in init.d that sudos as me and runs miau seems redonkulous.
23:46:02 <AnMaster> redonkulous?
23:46:17 <AnMaster> No definitions were found for redonkulous.
23:46:20 <AnMaster> sigh
23:46:22 <ehird> try urbandictionary :P
23:46:31 <AnMaster> ah
23:46:53 <ehird> i don't actually know the origins
23:46:56 <ehird> but everyone uses it.
23:47:11 <AnMaster> first time I have seen it on irc
23:47:22 <oerjan> ridiculous in the way of a small donkey, i assume
23:47:39 <AnMaster> oerjan, is a small donkey ridiculous?
23:47:42 <ehird> very
23:47:47 <AnMaster> hm ok
23:47:51 <oerjan> if it's small enough
23:47:59 <oerjan> like you can hold it in your hand
23:48:04 <AnMaster> well ok
23:48:07 <AnMaster> true
23:48:13 <AnMaster> that would be very ridiculous
23:48:31 <ehird> Huh.
23:48:35 <ehird> Root is runnin gdd.
23:48:37 <ehird> Why
23:48:38 <ehird> ?
23:48:41 <ehird> *running dd
23:48:41 <AnMaster> gdd?
23:48:43 <AnMaster> ah
23:48:56 <AnMaster> ehird, oh that's just me copying ur passwords
23:49:05 <AnMaster> ;P
23:49:07 <ehird> ur in my rutian, copying mah passwords?
23:49:08 <ehird> zomg!!
23:49:23 <ehird> $ ps -A|wc -l
23:49:23 <ehird> 58
23:49:25 <AnMaster> ehird, All ur passwords are belong to me
23:49:27 <ehird> Minimal enough.
23:49:53 <ehird> I actually have less packages installed than the default minimal server install
23:49:53 <ehird> $ dpkg-query -W|wc -l
23:49:54 <ehird> 177
23:49:59 <ehird> default is around 220 or something
23:50:24 <AnMaster> You have no time to chance survive your make
23:50:31 <AnMaster> (yoda version)
23:50:46 <AnMaster> (and yes also reversed in other parts)
23:50:47 <ehird> $ make your time
23:50:47 <ehird> make: *** No rule to make target `your'.  Stop.
23:50:55 <AnMaster> ehird, heh
23:51:10 <AnMaster> the original is "You have no chance to survive make your time." btw
23:51:59 <ehird> i know.
23:51:59 <ehird> ehird@rutian:~$ make "awesome'.  This is unacceptable.  As Ghandi said, \`I am appalled"
23:52:00 <ehird> make: *** No rule to make target `awesome'.  This is unacceptable.  As Ghandi said, `I am appalled'.  Stop.
23:52:41 <AnMaster> ehird, what is the quote from? I mean not the Ghandi part, but the rest
23:52:44 <Asztal> you should enable make_magic_quotes!
23:52:48 <ehird> AnMaster: nothing
23:52:50 <ehird> Asztal: FOR
23:52:59 <AnMaster> ehird, ok then WHY?
23:53:05 <ehird> AnMaster: why not
23:53:09 <AnMaster> true
23:53:13 <ehird> $ make up a reason
23:53:13 <ehird> make: *** No rule to make target `up'.  Stop.
23:53:17 <AnMaster> nop can't
23:53:25 <ehird> that actually makes sense
23:53:25 <ehird> :^)
23:53:31 <AnMaster> indeed
23:53:47 <ehird> people should use :^) more
23:53:48 <AnMaster> ehird, and it gave you the reason as well
23:53:55 <AnMaster> ehird, what does that one mean?
23:54:08 <AnMaster> I mean in what way does the meaning differ from :)
23:54:25 <ehird> ^ is a nose.
23:54:29 <ehird> except a cooler nose than -
23:54:31 <AnMaster> true
23:54:38 <AnMaster> but does it have the same meaning?
23:54:49 <AnMaster> ehird, also we all know ^ is eye: ^_^
23:54:52 <AnMaster> ;P
23:57:40 <oerjan> :^_^)
23:57:48 <AnMaster> oerjan, nice one
23:57:57 <AnMaster> oerjan, "one swollen ear"?
23:58:09 <AnMaster> or hm what could it be in the other direction
23:58:31 <ehird> :^
23:58:32 <ehird> awwwwwww
23:58:34 <ehird> look at its smile
23:58:37 <ehird> or
23:58:39 <ehird> beak
23:58:43 <AnMaster> haha
23:58:46 <AnMaster> beakies?
23:58:55 <ehird> ^:
23:58:57 <AnMaster> that would like, rock
23:59:01 <ehird> it's ALSO HAPPY
23:59:17 <ehird> AnMaster: i think it's impossible to make a beakie do anything but smil
23:59:17 <ehird> e
23:59:28 <AnMaster> ehird, maybe with some unicode?
23:59:37 <AnMaster> or if not: irc will be a happier place
23:59:38 <ehird> :†^
23:59:41 <oerjan> :^V
23:59:42 <AnMaster> since no one can be unhappy
23:59:43 <AnMaster> :D