< 1239580805 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-It now redirects to a subdirectory of "robinhanson.typepad.com". < 1239580811 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I assume he's moved over to Less Wrong < 1239580812 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-. < 1239581139 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-"00:04 MyCatVerbs: Berengal: long, pointy things. English people used to put them into French people from long distances. Won a few wars that way." < 1239581183 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-THERE IS NO GOOD GUI FRAMEWORK FOR RUBY < 1239581185 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-aaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1239581247 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-shoes < 1239581276 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-shoes is good for apple fanboys and kids learning how to hello world < 1239581292 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i'm pretty sure why isn't an apple fanboy. < 1239581307 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i'm pretty sure I've used shoes for other things, too. < 1239581335 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-"Shoes is a tiny toolkit for building colorful desktop programs in Ruby" < 1239581343 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-why is insane. < 1239581347 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-This is no surprise to anyone. < 1239581349 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Except maybe you. < 1239581395 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-why is on acid < 1239581398 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Yes. < 1239581399 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Yes he is. < 1239581399 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-constantly < 1239581404 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Why is acid. < 1239581433 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+what a debased accusation < 1239581533 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i need something with gridview < 1239581551 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-you could build that with shoes < 1239581555 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-another good option is to stop using ruby < 1239581582 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-but i need to write that app fast < 1239581593 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and in ruby it's possible without a hassle < 1239581611 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-nooga: your inability to find a gui toolkit is not a hassle? < 1239581646 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-a bit < 1239582090 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-RHYMING POETRY FIGHT < 1239582103 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-extra points for limericks < 1239582276 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-00:24 tomh-: i rather use .net/java api's than the one academic haskell people come up with < 1239582281 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-here we have a textbook masochis < 1239582282 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-t < 1239583016 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :"ZZZZZZZZZZZZebra" < 1239583074 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-holy shit < 1239583075 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-guys < 1239583077 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-clog is down < 1239583091 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-CLOG HAS BEEN DOWN SINCE YESTERDAY < 1239583093 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH < 1239583190 0 :Robdgreat!n=rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oh noes? < 1239583224 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-OH FUCKING NOES < 1239583226 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-THIS NEVER HAPPENS < 1239583229 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-WE'RE BEING LOST IN THE VOID < 1239583232 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-SHITSHITSHITSHITHSITHISTHSITHISTHIST < 1239583245 0 :Robdgreat!n=rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ceases to exist
< 1239583262 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-gnight < 1239583262 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-god i hate this < 1239583282 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff < 1239584884 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+You can use my logs. < 1239584915 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-kerlo: are they complete? < 1239584919 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org TOPIC #esoteric :/prog/ except COOL FREE RINGTONES | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | also, http://normish.org/ihope/public_logs/%23esoteric.log < 1239584925 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Not nearly as complete as clog's. < 1239584959 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I mean, do they cover all the blackou— oh god. < 1239584962 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+But they're relatively complete up to wherever they start; I'm here all day. < 1239584965 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-What if clog doesn't fucking come back? < 1239584983 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Oh SHIT. < 1239584986 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Then we find a new bot to log this channel? < 1239585001 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-You don't understand. < 1239585006 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I have a *commitment* to clog. < 1239585009 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-It's my pal. I get it. < 1239585012 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-It makes sense. < 1239585015 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-You can't take that away from me. < 1239585017 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+No, I don't understand. < 1239585111 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Anyway, I'd like to strip all the CR's from all the CRLF's in a file I have. < 1239585125 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-dos2unix < 1239585127 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-tofrodos < 1239585128 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-OR < 1239585137 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-sed -ie 's///' files < 1239585139 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-er < 1239585142 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-right < 1239585156 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets tofrodos
< 1239585179 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-dos2unix is better, kerlo. < 1239585270 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+A little bird told me they're the same thing. < 1239585294 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-That little bird would be wrong. < 1239585309 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+And by "a little bird", I mean bash when I told it to run dos2unix and it told me that I can get it by typing sudo apt-get install tofrodos, and what happened when I typed tofrodos afterward. < 1239585336 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-not bash; that's an ubuntu thingy < 1239585411 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-114-92.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+why not sed? < 1239585431 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+bsmntbombdood: because dos2unix looks more sophisticated. < 1239585442 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-114-92.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+sed is the right way < 1239585451 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-more sophisticated is a bad thing < 1239585719 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+So, I try to install POCO by running make -s (though it says to use gmake -s, not make -s), and it says "sh: /home/ns/Desktop/junk/poco-1.3.3p1/build/script/makedepend.gcc: not found" even though that file exists. < 1239585747 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-wrong architechture./ < 1239585751 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-stop running 32 bit programs on 64 bit < 1239585757 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-((do you actually know unix?)) < 1239585815 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I'm pretty sure this is a 32-bit system. < 1239585846 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-kerlo: is it a slicehost? < 1239585848 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-It's 64 bit. < 1239585858 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+No, it's a laptop. < 1239585867 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-kerlo: How new is it? < 1239585872 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-If it's newer than a few years, it's 64 bit. < 1239585886 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-But, anyway. < 1239585890 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-kerlo: what's in the file? < 1239585894 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Maybe an unknown interpreter. < 1239585896 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-On the shebang line < 1239585961 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Hmm, the shebang line has a CR at the end. < 1239585979 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Right you are. < 1239586002 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+So should I yell at whoever gave me these files for giving me CRLF instead of LF? < 1239586006 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Yes. < 1239586025 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks up poco
< 1239586030 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-kerlo: why are you installing enterprise shit? < 1239586037 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-well < 1239586039 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-C++ shit. < 1239586041 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I need this to install FMS. < 1239586052 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+And I did indeed download the wrong file. < 1239586053 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-kerlo: is FMS in your package manager? < 1239586054 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-what IS fms? < 1239586083 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+The Freenet Message System. < 1239586100 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-great; you can talk to pedophiles and idiots. < 1239586105 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-completely anonymously! < 1239586111 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Precisely! < 1239587730 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-114-92.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+wtf is you talking about < 1239587740 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-114-92.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+kerlo: what happened to frost? < 1239587754 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Bad things, according to Wikipedia. < 1239587894 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-114-92.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oh snap < 1239587902 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1239587936 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239588090 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-114-92.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+been a while since i've been on freenet obviously < 1239588959 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239595347 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1239599044 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1239600223 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-88-46.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1239604184 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :"Leaving" < 1239605484 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239608272 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1239609266 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "tr -d '\r'", though it doesn't do in-place. < 1239610828 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1239616013 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1239619600 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1239619960 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+odd < 1239619970 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, remember that ht binary editor? < 1239619994 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it segfaults when trying to scroll down elf image mode when scrolling down in a huge binary < 1239619999 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+huge == 11 MB in this case < 1239620028 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+(as you may have gussed, it is a C++ app) < 1239620139 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and symbol table refuse to scroll past a certain limit hm < 1239620541 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes QUIT :"Leaving" < 1239620805 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :"X-Chat -> http://xchat.org <- At least when I quit I don't look like a lamer" < 1239621428 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+today's IWC poll should be easy to answer for anyone in here... < 1239621475 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+at least if you go for the humor option, as i did < 1239621783 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1239621822 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: Do you have a 64-bit BSD? < 1239623276 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, no, it is 32-bit < 1239623613 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, well I may be able to access a friend's 64-bit openbsd, it's sparc64 though < 1239623623 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and I'm not sure it is online currently < 1239623639 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Nah, just wondering if you had an x86-64 BSD to see if it could run dobelx64 < 1239623652 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+mhm < 1239624466 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1239624582 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1239625065 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-huuh < 1239625622 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1239625850 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-iy < 1239626756 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+nooga: RDParser is sweet < 1239626973 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yep ;d < 1239626977 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-awesome < 1239626982 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :-simple and awesome < 1239627427 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1239628273 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-72-176.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1239629135 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :"leaving" < 1239629669 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-§ < 1239630455 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION now officially hates c++, especially symbian
< 1239631527 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1239633858 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239633967 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1239634666 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1239634803 0 :Robdgreat!n=rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1239634806 0 :Robdgreat!i=rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat JOIN :#esoteric < 1239635850 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239636125 0 :neldoret1!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1239636739 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1239637175 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I so hate C++ < 1239637290 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I spent several hours tracking down a bug in some C++ code that turned out to be due to leaky abstractions < 1239637340 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-72-176.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Abstractions are leaking out of my program! < 1239638087 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-7-242.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1239639792 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239640387 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1239640473 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1239640905 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se QUIT :"restarting X" < 1239641010 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1239641987 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1239642996 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239643128 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1239643128 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1239643435 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-7-242.telkomadsl.co.za QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1239643972 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1239644271 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239645248 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1239645276 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: there? < 1239645310 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, yes < 1239645311 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+why? < 1239645315 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+going to eat soon < 1239645387 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I'm trying to get a second laptop online < 1239645389 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+by routing via this one < 1239645394 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+but it isn't working < 1239645394 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, uhu < 1239645405 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, and you want my help? < 1239645405 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I have a wired connection between the two laptops (static IP on 10.0.0.1/8) < 1239645413 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I was wondering if you knew anything that might be wrong < 1239645415 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Sorry but I don't know, I hate networking. < 1239645418 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ah, ok < 1239645422 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I was going to ask ehird, but he isn't here < 1239645449 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, set up some NAT thing with iptables/netfilter? < 1239645457 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and that is just what I heard about < 1239645459 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+never tried it < 1239645473 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I'm trying a lot simpler than that, just good old-fashioned routing < 1239645763 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1239645816 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a public IP for the other laptop, then, if you're going to use good old-fashioned routing? < 1239646339 0 :neldoret1!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at QUIT :Client Quit < 1239646354 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1239646397 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :NATting with iptables is relatively simple. "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -i wired_iface -o interweb_iface -s 10.0.0.0/8 -j MASQUERADE" to do NAT on outgoing packets routed from wired_iface to interweb_iface; and then you just need to set the routing laptop as default-route for the other laptop, and possibly echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward. And I'm pretty sure things like Ubuntu's network manager thing have a "enable internet connection sh < 1239646399 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :aring" button in there somewhere. < 1239646547 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+fizzie: oh, no public IP < 1239646557 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+no wonder it couldn't get connection replies < 1239646563 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+anyway, I'm doing it via a proxy atm, that seems to be working < 1239646575 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that works too. < 1239646599 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+surprisingly slowly, though < 1239646676 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "slowly" means there seems to be some sort of timeout before anything happens, in my experience those tend to be DNS-related in one way or another. Of course if it's just "slow throughput", then that's not it. < 1239646694 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+not sure what in particular is slow atm < 1239646706 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+things like Google take a long time to react, and then load slowly < 1239646806 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're doing just a standard HTTP proxy and not any sort of SOCKS thing, I guess? < 1239646918 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+yep < 1239646922 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+HTTP and DNS proxying < 1239646982 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if that DNS proxy thing is working, then I don't have any specific ideas. Someone's had this thing, but no replies: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=546962&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a < 1239646998 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it seems to be very bursty speed-wise < 1239647011 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+swinging between several mbps and a few kbps < 1239647310 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+well, I was stupid to not realise it would need an IP from somewhere < 1239647323 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and this laptop's behind a NAT already, I don't think double-NATting works < 1239647328 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+but proxy works fine < 1239647451 0 :MouD!n=mougeot@pel44-1-78-229-240-193.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :"( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )" < 1239647483 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing wrong with double-NATting, though. < 1239647495 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+where would all the ports come from? < 1239647505 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as the "outer" NAT is concerned, all the connections are coming from the in-the-middle laptop. < 1239647542 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+but I thought NAT worked by choosing lots of different reply ports < 1239647561 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+which laptop determines which ports to use? < 1239647607 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's just two levels of source-port-mapping too. < 1239647654 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+does the outer NAT give the inner NAT multiple portsthat it can choose between? < 1239647672 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The innermost laptop chooses random source ports; the laptop in the middle changes the source port if there happens to be a conflicty thing (and mangles reply packets accordingly) and the outer nat just does the same thing. < 1239647692 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no way the outer NAT can even distinguish between traffic generated by the in-the-middle laptop or the innermost laptop. < 1239647707 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oh, I see < 1239647718 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I didn't realise the ports were chosen by the thing inside the NAT < 1239647723 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like the NAT box somehow reports the available ports; it just does mappings if there are problems. < 1239647724 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I thought the NAT told the thing inside which port to use < 1239647793 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The netfilter NAT maps source ports <512 into other source ports <512; ports in the [512, 1023] range into other <1024 ports; and all >=1024 ports to other >=1024 ports; but whenever possible, no port translation is done. < 1239647830 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that's what the SNAT target description (basically MASQUERADE for a static IP) says. < 1239647871 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the "if it works" principle says that if you have a working proxey thing that does what you want... < 1239648010 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+well, yes < 1239648020 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+only for HTTP, but that's enough to run package managers which is what I really wanted < 1239648554 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I hate C++'s leaky abstractions < 1239648567 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+before you joined ais523: < 1239648568 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ I spent several hours tracking down a bug in some C++ code that turned out to be due to leaky abstractions < 1239648590 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+a bug in wesnoth svn with ?: < 1239648591 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ah, interesting < 1239648605 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+were you trying to treat C++ like a regular object-orietned language? < 1239648610 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+or was the author of the code? < 1239648629 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, I wasn't < 1239648635 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I was getting memory corruption < 1239648637 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+as a user < 1239648647 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+how did the ?: leak, anyway? < 1239648665 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, turned out someone had written std::string& foo = condition ? "string constant" : std_string_object; < 1239648682 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+which caused memory corruption in the unusual case of the string constant being selected < 1239648690 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+since object got freed at end of that line < 1239648694 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+or something like that, < 1239648833 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oh, I can see how that could happen < 1239648854 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+the correct version would be std::string foo = condition ? "string constant" : std_string_object; < 1239648857 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+without the & < 1239648861 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+to create a copy if needed < 1239648862 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+indeed < 1239648882 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, but only C++ would allow such a subtle bug to cause memory corruption like it did... < 1239648885 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+manual memory management is fun < 1239648913 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+well C might, but at least there are much fewer abstractions to dig through when debugging it < 1239648954 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, actually C++ is a good idea. Just a horrible implementation. < 1239648993 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I mean combine best of low level C stuff with useful object orientation abstractions. Sounds like a good idea. And objc is a rather good example of it being done right. < 1239649000 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+But C++ manages to pick to worst from each instead. < 1239649065 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1239649092 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I'd say that C++ objects aren't abstractions < 1239649106 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+they're non-abstract objects < 1239649153 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1239649156 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, that doesn't contradict what I said < 1239649167 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I said C++ managed to pick the worst, not the best < 1239649189 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for wesnoth AI to calculate
< 1239649221 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it seeems to have trouble on a 95x40 map < 1239649316 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+the default AI, or one of the custom ones? < 1239649338 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+wesnoth is such a cruel, nasty, and evil game < 1239649382 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, probably custom for this campaign because one of the AIs on this map is way way way worse than all the others < 1239649437 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+lament, really? < 1239649632 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+yes. < 1239649766 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: you're an xorg.conf expert, right/ < 1239649790 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+how do you specify keyboard layout? < 1239649791 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, not sure if expert is right word. But I know enough to write my own one yeah. < 1239649796 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, which version? < 1239649808 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I assume you don't use the new ones that uses hal for everything < 1239649818 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: not sure < 1239649828 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+the laptop here has the wrong keyboard layout, but only when X is running < 1239649829 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Section "InputDevice" < 1239649831 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ Identifier "Keyboard1" < 1239649831 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ Driver "kbd" < 1239649838 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ Option "XkbRules" "xorg" < 1239649839 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ Option "XkbModel" "pc105" < 1239649839 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ Option "XkbLayout" "se" < 1239649841 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+EndSection < 1239649842 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+well < 1239649848 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+you probably want some more sutff < 1239649851 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ah, there are no rules there at all, it seems < 1239649862 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, then you use hal I guess and then I have no idea. < 1239649864 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+do you know what the layout code for a UK keyboard is? < 1239649867 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+since I turned off hal < 1239649887 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1239649904 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, somewhere in /usr/share/X11/ iirc < 1239649914 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I don't know the layout code for UK no < 1239649959 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523: For hal, settings could be in /etc/hal/fdi/policy or /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy < 1239650013 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, well I tried hal, it loves to misdetect and mess up stuff < 1239650020 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+like my joystick was mapped as a mouse < 1239650022 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+stuff like that < 1239650023 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Works fine for me < 1239650036 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, ever tried connecting a USB joystick then+ < 1239650039 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+s/+/?/ < 1239650050 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Never owned a USB joystick, only game port :-P < 1239650083 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+meh < 1239650093 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, also mouse button mapping on my real mousew < 1239650095 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+mouse* < 1239650098 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+was messed up too < 1239650108 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Of course it's theoretically possible I could have tried to connect somebody else's USB joystick, but no, I haven't < 1239650122 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+All seven mouse buttons work fine for me < 1239650148 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, well it mapped them wrong in my case, scroll wheel click and right button were swapped < 1239650164 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and scroll wheel didn't work at all < 1239650170 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I mean scrolling it < 1239650181 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+(as opposed to clicking it < 1239650183 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+) < 1239650183 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Beats me; like said, WFM < 1239650187 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+keyboard code for UK is "gb" it seems < 1239650337 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+mhm < 1239650695 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+anyway, everything working now, thanks < 1239650718 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+luckily it's a pretty uncustomized system, I just renamed all the dotfiles into a different directory to reset the settings... < 1239650752 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1239650926 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-129.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1239651616 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, what are you doing btw? < 1239651784 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+helping my brother install TAEB < 1239651788 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+atm < 1239651799 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-6-213.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1239651815 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, I mean with the extra laptop thing < 1239651839 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+also you got a brother? heh. < 1239651853 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+not interested in esolangs is he? < 1239651955 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+not really < 1239651962 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+mhm < 1239652151 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some sort of swapped-at-birth case, then? < 1239652172 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1239652394 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1239652852 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239652876 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239653353 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+fizzie, hah < 1239653609 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, about manual memory management that we mentioned before. < 1239653634 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+you really have to know what C++ is doing to manage memory management correctly there < 1239653648 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+yes but that wasn't what I was going to talk < 1239653650 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+talk about* < 1239653674 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+rather: I remember seeing a C program that had an internal library for reference counted strings < 1239653690 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+just odd IMO < 1239653734 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, and this was not to reduce leakage or avoid memory corruption either < 1239653737 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+but to save memory < 1239653747 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+since it would need to duplicate the string less often < 1239653772 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I mean, they end up the same way, but the code comments talked about the memory usage aspect only < 1239653851 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, btw about wesnoth I just ran across a really strange level in a campaign < 1239653860 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+yes? < 1239653863 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+the best way to describe it would be boss battle I think < 1239653871 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+which doesn't fit very well into the idea of wesnoth < 1239653879 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it worked rather well though < 1239653884 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I think boss bottles are entirely possible in Wesnoth < 1239653889 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+although I wouldn't want them every level < 1239653891 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, but not very common < 1239653897 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I can't remember seeing one before < 1239653926 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+how does it work? is it against just one powerful enemy? < 1239653953 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+mostly, and only recruiting first and second turn < 1239653959 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+you can recognize boss bottles by their caps < 1239653969 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, haha < 1239653982 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, when oerjan is here, remember to check the spelling < 1239653988 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: recruiting, or recalling, or both? < 1239653991 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+check your spelling? < 1239653993 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, both < 1239654015 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, anyway there are a few other low level enemies too < 1239654028 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+there always are in boss battles < 1239654033 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+do they have ZoCs? < 1239654042 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+or are they level 0 < 1239654045 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, well boss seems to be spawning low level enimies < 1239654048 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ah < 1239654066 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+which campaign is it, btw? < 1239654071 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+IftU < 1239654077 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+only works against trunk, not yet mainlined < 1239654084 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+rather buggy in parts < 1239654085 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+but fun < 1239654093 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+what does the abbreviation stand for? < 1239654099 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Invasion from the Unknown < 1239654108 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and I had already started to type that before you asked < 1239654116 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, it is split in two parts < 1239654119 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+since it is so large < 1239654128 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I mean the campaign < 1239654149 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+can you recall from one to the other? < 1239654169 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Invoice from the Underworld < 1239654173 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, yes you can choose to continue at the end of the first instead < 1239654183 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, I didn't typo it! < 1239654217 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, as far as I understood, since this boss battle is in first part, around the middle of it < 1239654222 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+level 7 < 1239654225 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+err 8 I mean < 1239654234 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+no 7 < 1239654249 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Infidels from the Uzbekistan < 1239654263 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, this isn't even funny you know... < 1239654314 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, the campaign takes place after UtBS btw. < 1239654322 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+(Under the Burning Sun) < 1239654344 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+wow, that's pretty late < 1239654348 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+does it have the weird day/night thing? < 1239654353 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, yes it does. < 1239654368 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Unrelated to Bullshit < 1239654370 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, except it is underground a lot of the time. < 1239654394 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-18:43 AnMaster: also you got a brother? heh. < 1239654395 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I don't like underground campagins, just because their music isn't as good < 1239654396 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-lol, brothers < 1239654398 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-that's so weird XD < 1239654401 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-nobody has a brother < 1239654404 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oh my ehird is here too < 1239654417 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+he's _not_ your ehird < 1239654419 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, well that is pretty ok in this one < 1239654425 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+my,* < 1239654426 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+indeed < 1239654442 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+a fatal mistake, missing that comma was < 1239654447 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1239654455 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+(yes grammar messed up was with intent) < 1239654460 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: the so-called "brothers" are all alien spies < 1239654471 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-72-176.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Black people are aliens? < 1239654472 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan: Both? < 1239654506 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I mean, if it's /all/, then surely it applies to ais as well < 1239654514 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, there are references to UtBS, DID, LoW and several other campaigns in it btw. < 1239654518 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant: Sure < 1239654524 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Yow < 1239654532 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, err? < 1239654539 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Err? < 1239654553 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, define:Yow < 1239654567 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Slereah: certainly. you thought they were human? < 1239654583 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: /yaʊ/ interj. Used to express alarm, pain, or surprise. < 1239654587 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ah < 1239654626 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+actually either swedes or norwegians are aliens too, although we cannot agree which < 1239654630 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, also there are some huge desert maps that makes the maps in NR seem rather small. < 1239654639 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, which means it is very slow in some places < 1239654673 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+the last map of that hammer of whateveritis campaign is pretty masive < 1239654716 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Hammer Of Whateveritis < 1239654725 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-"IE8 to be pushed out via Automatic Updates - yes, even to IE6 users" < 1239654728 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Well, that's quite good. < 1239654733 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, I said it was rather buggy right? this time I only got to recruit during the first turn instead.. < 1239654749 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+And yes, it was done with IE7 as well. < 1239654771 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, yeah, I don't really like the Hammar of Thursagn campaign < 1239654791 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+well it is more like that than whateveristis :P < 1239654894 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Thursday Hammer < 1239654897 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, anyway, the reason I dislike it is that it is a tragedy, I mean when you play a game you kind of expect that if you win it there will be a good ending < 1239654914 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+well, DiD has an even worse ending < 1239654924 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, yes I dislike that one even more < 1239654938 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Uh. < 1239654954 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-You know that tragedies have been a fictional device for 7 eons? < 1239654966 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+That doesn't mean he's not allowed to dislike them < 1239654969 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-If a tragedy is a surprise to you then you're remarkably ignorant. < 1239654970 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, actually that may be related, since it is about dwarfs, which in fantasy often get Scandinavian names, or variants of them. < 1239654970 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+doesn't mean we have to enjoy them < 1239654977 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant: The point is 'expect'. < 1239654980 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+also, DiD isn't even really a tragedy, it doesn't have an ending < 1239654984 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Expecting a non-tragic ending is illogical. < 1239654988 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it just goes into a deliberate loose infinite loop < 1239654992 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: So he meant 'hope'. < 1239654997 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, 1) what Deewiant and ais523 said 2) A book, film or whatever differs from a game < 1239655001 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant: That is not what he said. < 1239655001 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+where you take part more < 1239655007 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: (2) That is irrelevant. < 1239655011 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1239655012 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, no it is not < 1239655026 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+that is the main point in fact. < 1239655026 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: Do you always have to take issue with these things? :-P < 1239655030 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I would be more convinced if you provided arguments for its relevance, AnMaster. < 1239655031 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and now I'm back to playing < 1239655032 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant: < 1239655038 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant: I disagree with things that are wrong. < 1239655051 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, I'll bother when you provide arguments for that it is irrelevant. < 1239655057 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+bbl < 1239655063 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: Please look up "burden of proof". < 1239655068 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant: if ehird didn't take issue with things he wouldn't be ehird < 1239655070 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: Doesn't mean you have to complain about them. < 1239655077 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant: I choose to. < 1239655081 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan: True. < 1239655097 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: So I guess the answer is "yes". < 1239655141 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: certainly the distribution of themes of endings is different between "games" in general, and, say, books. At least from my biased personal gut-feelingsy viewpoint, it's not like I've seen any hard data. < 1239655184 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+There have certainly been a lot more books than games, which is likely to skew the distribution if we look at the full scale. < 1239655194 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, I see no reason why you shouldn't have the burden of the proof. Afk again < 1239655210 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: He who makes the first claim is the one with the burden of proof. < 1239655216 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Challen < 1239655218 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-er < 1239655220 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-wrong channel < 1239655224 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+If we're just looking at whether something has been used, I suspect books and games won't differ much < 1239655234 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Where 'thing' == 'ending' < 1239655329 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, the thing is the player identifies more with the protagonist of the game, since he/she controls said protagonist, thus the protagonist's actions are the actions of the player. While in a book the reader doesn't take part of the story, he/she is a bystander. < 1239655363 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: Yes, and? < 1239655366 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-If you don't identify with the characters in a book, you're either a shitty reader or it's a shitty book. < 1239655373 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Nonetheless, your point is still irrelevant. < 1239655382 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+(Depends much on the way the story is written but basically true) < 1239655384 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, sure you do in a book too, but not at the same level. < 1239655526 0 :neldoret1!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1239655569 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should there be some sort of betting system for AnMaster-ehird-dispute results? ("Mutual ignore", "unidirectional ignore", "running out of steam thanks to a suitable topic-change such as this one", or other such common results.) < 1239655571 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Yay, I found that demoscene recording I mentioned ages ago. http://capped.tv/playeralt.php?vid=asd-lifeforce < 1239655575 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth QUIT :"leaving" < 1239655584 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fizzie: I haven't ignored AnMaster for months. < 1239655613 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I remember the hand thing of Lifeforce. I guess it was at an Assembly event, then. < 1239655686 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+how does one play it without flash < 1239655697 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for flv
< 1239655704 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If you had that youtube thing set up, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7NqQ30KfAo < 1239655706 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+VLC, for instance < 1239655710 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fizzie: worse quality < 1239655711 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+no flv < 1239655712 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-so I wouldn't bother. < 1239655712 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ah < 1239655717 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-there IS an flv < 1239655740 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+There's a link to an avi right below the flash anim < 1239655751 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, not when flash is missing < 1239655757 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Yes there is. < 1239655758 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Oh? < 1239655760 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Pouet / Binary / Avi / Capped - Report < 1239655763 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-It's bloody HTML. < 1239655767 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+meh konq sucks < 1239655772 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I see it in links indeed < 1239655773 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Unless you disabled HTML too because it's a security risk. < 1239655775 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+just not konq < 1239655776 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+:-D < 1239655811 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+246.2M... < 1239655816 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+meh < 1239655817 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+fizzie: Looks like it won 'combined demo' at asm 2007, indeed. < 1239655835 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: < 1239655837 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-http://capped.micksam7.com/mp4/asd-lifeforce.mp4 < 1239655852 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+If you're feeling lucky, try the binary under wine < 1239655855 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+mhm < 1239655857 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, with a wide margin, I think. < 1239655858 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Progressively load in the player of your choice, AnMaster. < 1239655879 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, can't atm, have music playing, so would be a mess out sounds < 1239655880 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant: I kind of doubt that works for most demoscene stuff. < 1239655905 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: Hence "[i]f you're feeling lucky". < 1239655931 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There have been very few demos I could've run with my hardware, even if running Windows, lately. At least well. They tend to be rather resource-intensive, after all. < 1239655952 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Yeah, realtime high-quality 3d rendering is a bit of a bitch. < 1239655972 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Especially when you're doing it in 4k and generating everything procedurally. :-P < 1239655981 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+indeed < 1239655981 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Lifeforce was in 4k? < 1239655986 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I imagine it was a lil bigger than that. < 1239655990 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+No, it wasn't. < 1239655993 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+wow < 1239655998 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWMGuh15nE was, though. < 1239656004 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Among others. < 1239656009 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: wow what < 1239656016 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :And conversely the VIC-20 things are so bizarre that emulators run them not-well, even though there certainly would be enough computing powar. < 1239656026 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, 4k for that thing... < 1239656033 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Lifeforce wasn't 4k. < 1239656037 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-As we have established. < 1239656043 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I mean the other one too < 1239656046 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant's message came after yours... < 1239656064 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :A retroactive "wow". < 1239656068 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+... < 1239656070 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-wow < 1239656074 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+what are you talking about < 1239656076 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it didn't < 1239656078 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-↑ this is in reaction to the heat death of the universe < 1239656079 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWMGuh15nE was, though. < 1239656081 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ wow < 1239656085 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-20:53 AnMaster: wow < 1239656086 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-20:53 Deewiant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWMGuh15nE was, though. < 1239656091 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+2009-04-13 22:53:13 ( AnMaster) wow < 1239656091 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+2009-04-13 22:53:17 ( Deewiant) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWMGuh15nE was, though. < 1239656094 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-A second after another. < 1239656097 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: Your timestamps are so imprecise. :-P < 1239656108 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant: Heh, AnMaster's client is reordering time-space. < 1239656126 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Viznut's VIC-20 speech synthesizer, for example, was rather unintelligible on an emulator. (Not that it was that much better on hardware, but still.) < 1239656149 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, it is the effect of the future implementation of TRDS in cfunge. Caused a time-space-time singularity < 1239656156 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-time-space-time. < 1239656166 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time cube. < 1239656173 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Four harmonietc. < 1239656178 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+reversed polarity quantum time-space-time singularity even < 1239656206 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: Can we expect it in the next release, then? With that kind of power I imagine it travelled to the present so you wouldn't have to write it < 1239656226 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, no, this happened in 2038 < 1239656228 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+:/ < 1239656260 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, and it lock up the positron flux if you try to move it backwards over 32-bit epoch < 1239656281 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I thought your code was bittiness-agnostic? < 1239656284 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Tut, tut. < 1239656287 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That's some nice scenery in a 4k intro. < 1239656298 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+"Some", yes. < 1239656308 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, yes it was, but the singularity collapsed it to 32-bit dependant < 1239656309 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+:( < 1239656310 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Pretty frakking amazing IMO. < 1239656318 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: So it broke itself? :-P < 1239656346 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+You have to be careful when coding for speed, things start to fall apart when you're going too fast < 1239656359 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "Well, you know, it's not *that* special... just sort-of nice." < 1239656369 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, yes TRDS and high speed interact badly < 1239656376 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+better not make ccbi any faster < 1239656381 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+:-D < 1239656401 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+fizzie: Meh, I thought it was impressive. < 1239656451 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, I just get this itch whenever I use superlatives. Otherwise I'd describe it as spectacular. (*scratch, scratch*) < 1239656488 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+You'll find that you haven't used a superlative yet. < 1239656521 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I AM A SUPERLATIVE ON FIRE < 1239656536 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-You could < 1239656537 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-say < 1239656538 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I'm < 1239656540 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-LITERALLY < 1239656542 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-on < 1239656544 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fire. < 1239656552 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, except for the caps that was a very lament-style comment < 1239656564 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+fizzie: The last one you used was, in fact, "easiest", 2009-04-09 14:16:57. < 1239656575 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+well maybe he would have excluded the "I am" bit too < 1239656586 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+going for minimalistic zen < 1239656588 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-it was not a very lament comment. < 1239656794 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "1. (1) superlative -- (an exaggerated expression (usually of praise); "the critics lavished superlatives on it")" -- I was using this sense rather than the literal form-of-adjective thing. < 1239656807 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-SUPERPOTATIVE < 1239656818 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that "spectacular" is exaggerated in this situation. You win, I lose. < 1239658899 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239661601 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's computer decides to spin fans at full speed for no reason
< 1239661612 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-And then stops them again. < 1239662546 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+"Don't tell him it's a musical, 'cause then he might kill us all" < 1239662904 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+is that a quote from a musical? < 1239662969 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googleth and finds something Horrible
< 1239662981 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+*findeth < 1239664062 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hanakapiai_Beach_Warning_Sign_Only.jpg < 1239664179 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgYdhm_q7lg so beautiful < 1239665359 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-lament: Reverted to earlier version < 1239665360 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-lament: Reverted to earlier version < 1239665361 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-lament: Reverted to earlier version < 1239665362 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-lament: Reverted to earlier version < 1239665395 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Someone shopped in another tally :D < 1239665569 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+"We're gonna pick - pick - pick - pick - pick it apart, < 1239665569 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Open it up to find the tick - tick - tick of a heart." < 1239665584 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-green bob < 1239665766 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+hm? < 1239666243 0 :neldoret1!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at QUIT :Client Quit < 1239666249 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1239667022 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric