< 1239667449 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :+-> < 1239667464 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se QUIT :"Later" < 1239667487 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-anyone know forth? < 1239667931 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239667935 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1239667972 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Oh, Mrza and cs. He mistake made today. Preside tZe. Yes, said to ..... — The ever wise voice of Dasher. <<< thought this was a nigerian scam :P < 1239667979 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-:DD < 1239668425 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239668509 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: i spent almost an hour fixing a simple error where abs was for integers and not for doubles; of course it was just because carbide (the symbian compiler ide thingy) sucks at error messages, and i didn't exactly expect not to get an error for using a fucking int-to-int abs function in the middle of floating point code. < 1239668551 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oklopol_: wut are you doing with symbian < 1239668553 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oklopol_, err man abs vs man fabs < 1239668571 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: erm, way to miss the polint. < 1239668575 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-point < 1239668577 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, yes < 1239668581 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I agree < 1239668590 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-what, you agree that you missed the point? < 1239668594 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i wrote two versions of that abs since carbide's math didn't know it and i didn't feel like making my own math class at first and i just needed it in two places; then when i made the class i accidentally copied the wrong one; this was after 12 hours of coding, wasn't feeling all that bright. < 1239668596 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-congrats; the first step is admitting you have a problem < 1239668649 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I had another problem with floating point recently < 1239668676 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+the difference between integer_variable / 2241.5 and integer_variable / 2241.5L caused rounding errors < 1239668716 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: you are aware that the second step is to believe in a higher power? *ducks* < 1239668723 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-:-) < 1239668742 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, yes the Almighty duck indeed. < 1239668769 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+well i guess that will do < 1239669007 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Expecting a non-tragic ending is illogical. <<< no it isn't, in a game < 1239669016 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-why? < 1239669071 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and clearly a game is different from movies and books, in a game you do your best, and in a tragedy you get kicked in the nuts, whereas in a movie you'll just think oh dear, these people were unlucky < 1239669077 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-that said, i hate non-tragedic endings < 1239669219 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oklopol_, that summary of the difference is what I was trying to say before. But you expressed it way more clearly < 1239669220 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+:) < 1239669254 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :- oklopol_, err man abs vs man fabs <<< symbian has traditional libs too? < 1239669260 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-then we were lied to. < 1239669269 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-being kicked in the nuts is part of playing a game. < 1239669283 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oklopol_, they would be libc, thus being part of a conforming C environment? < 1239669297 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+assuming it is hosted. < 1239669300 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :- oklopol_: wut are you doing with symbian <<< i have a course in mobile programming, main project is the c++ one, python and java for extra credits < 1239669302 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-... you supplied oklopol_ no extra information < 1239669304 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+but maybe it was freestanding? < 1239669311 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oklopol_: what actual phone? < 1239669364 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :- why? <<< well i haven't seen one; i guess otherwise wouldn't. < 1239669364 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oklopol_, anyway being part of the C standard library it must have those functions, unless it is a freestanding environment. Was it that? < 1239669368 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-*would < 1239669393 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: what oklopol_ is saying is that symbian doesn't have libc. < 1239669397 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-it has its own < 1239669419 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :- oklopol_, that summary of the difference is what I was trying to say before. But you expressed it way more clearly <<< still ehird countered this pretty well with his comment about identifying with characters and shit; i just don't think it's quite the same kind of identification < 1239669446 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :- being kicked in the nuts is part of playing a game. <<< yes, until you finally beat the game and get your reward. < 1239669460 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-well maybe I'm a masochist < 1239669480 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oklopol_, in that case. Is the environment freestanding? < 1239669499 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: IT HAS ITS OWN LIBC REPLACEMENT < 1239669504 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-why is this hard to understand < 1239669515 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ehird: me too. i'm just saying i think AnMaster makes perfect sense; i totally agree happy endings are gay < 1239669531 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yep, happy endings are happy. < 1239669550 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, ... < 1239669553 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I strongly suspect it's just kicking the C standard in the balls. < 1239669558 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+pikhq, aha < 1239669563 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+that would explain it < 1239669564 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-my favorite sp episode is stanley's cup < 1239669570 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+now why couldn't ehird just have said that. < 1239669573 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: I DID < 1239669579 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-"IT HAS ITS OWN LIBC REPLACEMENT" < 1239669585 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-it's fairly tragedic :P < 1239669591 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-even retarded monkeys could comprehend that!! < 1239669594 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-grah < 1239669596 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, that isn't same as "kicking C standard in balls" < 1239669602 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-it amounts to it < 1239669604 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+"the balls" even < 1239669607 0 :Dewi!n=dewi@124-171-229-1.dyn.iinet.net.au QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1239669610 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-symbian has a whole different memory allocation scheme < 1239669625 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I agree with ehird there. < 1239669639 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+well it *could* be freestanding and just provide limits.h and a few other headers < 1239669641 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+that is valid < 1239669647 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :->_< < 1239669648 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+And would like to see violence over IP. < 1239669654 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and a whole different library scheme < 1239669654 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Caught up in standards world, la la la la. < 1239669655 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+but you claim that is not the case? < 1239669660 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-it's not really c++, say many. < 1239669679 0 :Dewi!n=dewi@124-171-158-195.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1239669682 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-pikhq: your IP is wimpy. it's all 33.42.127.4 < 1239669690 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks your IP. < 1239669692 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+In a freestanding environment (in which C program execution may take place without any benefit of an operating system), the name and type of the function called at program startup are implementation-defined. Any library facilities available to a freestanding program, other than the minimal set required by clause 4, are implementation-defined. < 1239669726 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-let me tell you a bit about how symbian does cosines < 1239669732 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-TReal myresult; < 1239669742 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Math::Cos(myresult,myargument); < 1239669754 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-WTF it's a fucking double < 1239669769 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+A conforming freestanding implementation shall accept any strictly conforming program that does not use complex types and in which the use of the features specified in the library clause (clause 7) is confined to the contents of the standard headers , , , , , , and . A conforming implementation may have extensions (including addit < 1239669769 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ional library functions), provided they do not alter the behavior of any strictly conforming program. < 1239669774 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+that is C99 though < 1239669779 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I don't have C89 around < 1239669783 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: Why are you quoting standards. < 1239669784 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+but the list of headers will be smaller < 1239669791 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: It's all dialup. :( < 1239669800 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-pikhq: ... you're on dialup? < 1239669806 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-like 4 srs? < 1239669811 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, since you seemed unaware of what a freestanding environment was < 1239669814 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Now. < 1239669819 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: i'm perfectly aware, thank you very much < 1239669822 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Yeah. < 1239669826 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-pikhq: ;_; < 1239669827 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, you didn't act like it < 1239669828 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-pikhq: why on earth < 1239669843 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oklopol_, that's C++y < 1239669845 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+not Cy < 1239669846 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+err < 1239669847 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: if you can quote one instance where I acted like I didn't know what it was I'll chop my own head off. < 1239669849 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+C-y < 1239669868 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :- oklopol_, that's C++y <<< what? < 1239669869 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-no < 1239669875 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: Lack of broadband access. < 1239669875 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ Math::Cos(myresult,myargument); < 1239669884 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oklopol_, since when does C have :: < 1239669885 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-pikhq: where are you; buttfuck usa? < 1239669894 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: c++ has classes so you need to do that less. < 1239669901 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Buttfuck, MO, USA. < 1239669906 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: since beginning. < 1239669914 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-wait < 1239669916 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oklopol_, no that is C++ not C < 1239669916 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-sorry < 1239669917 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-misread. < 1239669921 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ah < 1239669937 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+well a conforming C++... no clue could be anything as far as I kno < 1239669937 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: yeah i'm not saying it's bad it's using a static method to look like a namespace < 1239669938 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+know* < 1239669944 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-you get the same benefits as with namespaces anyway. < 1239669955 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i'm saying why not just have Math::cos(arg) < 1239669963 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it is doing that? Ok. Why? < 1239669996 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-doing what? < 1239670000 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+... < 1239670008 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-"using a static method to look like a namespace"? < 1239670013 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+yeah < 1239670017 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-err. < 1239670021 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+since C++ does have namespaces < 1239670029 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+there is no point in doing it like that < 1239670029 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Math::Cos <<< you thought Math was a namespace? < 1239670036 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i thought they were usually lowercase < 1239670042 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-anyway symbian doesn't really do namespaces. < 1239670074 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+mhm < 1239670114 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: and yes there is a point, in fact my opinion is it makes more sense to use classes for both purposes. then again i like java in most aspects, although like all sensible people i do hate how it practically turns out. < 1239670135 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-well, java has packages too, but they are umm. < 1239670139 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-different < 1239670162 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oklopol_ is turning all practical < 1239670168 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-:P < 1239670178 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-sorry < 1239670268 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, nothing wrong with that < 1239670284 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: it's ruining oklopol_ity < 1239670299 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+hm true < 1239670302 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I guess you can < 1239670305 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+can't* get both < 1239670330 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-well okay i guess packages aren't all that different, it's just they don't "solve the issue" in java, because you need to have your methods classified anyway. < 1239670337 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-how you can decipher that term. < 1239670354 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oklopol_, they are top secret? < 1239670399 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+(sorry oerjan that I stole that line from you) < 1239670409 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-well < 1239670417 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-tbh i don't think that really works after i've addressed it myself < 1239670428 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-but i'll let ehird tell you that in proper terms maybe ;) < 1239670453 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oh my god coffee would be tasty < 1239670459 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-morning coffee < 1239670471 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+yeah he will complain soon (unless he decides not to due to me predicting he will) < 1239670555 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-stepping on metalevels is not the answer, ehird i the master of that (see countless spammings of a pattern ehird started extrapolating :D) < 1239670633 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-hope he doesn't take that as somekinda insult and as me to show examples; in general i hate that, because hey it's like i actually have references to interesting conversations in a list < 1239670651 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i should. < 1239670658 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oklopol_: should i be all predictable or should I be predictable by not being predictable < 1239670670 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-or < 1239670671 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-both < 1239670673 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ehird: i don't understand that, sorry. < 1239670673 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-? < 1239670678 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-you're too much < 1239670685 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-too much clever. < 1239670690 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I CAN'T < 1239670700 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-so umm < 1239670702 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-that coffee < 1239670705 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i drank all of it alreadyt < 1239670709 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-*already < 1239670710 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-now < 1239670719 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-the only option is to go get it from somewhere else < 1239670723 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oklopol_: we can tell < 1239670725 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and there is just one place open < 1239670728 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-it's this one place. < 1239670737 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and < 1239670738 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-umm < 1239670740 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-it's a < 1239670741 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-place? < 1239670747 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-it's like this place where some things pump gas < 1239670751 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-when they want to move < 1239670754 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-called cars < 1239670755 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and shit < 1239670758 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and so < 1239670760 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yes yes < 1239670761 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and < 1239670762 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-there's coffee < 1239670763 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-they have < 1239670764 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-coffee < 1239670766 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-right < 1239670768 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-right < 1239670770 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-but you need to buy it before they let you drink it 8| < 1239670770 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-okay so < 1239670772 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-if you want coffee < 1239670774 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-you could go there < 1239670775 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yes < 1239670776 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yes < 1239670777 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i want < 1239670777 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-otherwise youcould < 1239670778 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-coffee < 1239670778 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-um < 1239670780 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-stay? < 1239670780 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oh? < 1239670782 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oklopol_: okay so < 1239670784 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-go there < 1239670785 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-maybe you're right i could < 1239670786 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I think < 1239670787 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-go or stay < 1239670788 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-that might work? < 1239670790 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yes < 1239670790 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-if you have money < 1239670792 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-might? < 1239670792 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-that would work < 1239670793 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yes might. < 1239670797 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-well i have some money < 1239670804 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-how much do you want coffee < 1239670804 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-with which i'm able to buy. < 1239670808 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oh much much < 1239670808 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-like a lot or < 1239670810 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-just a bit < 1239670811 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-okay much < 1239670811 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yes lot < 1239670813 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i think you should go there < 1239670814 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-no not just a bit < 1239670815 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and give money < 1239670816 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and get coffee < 1239670817 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i want very much < 1239670819 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and drink it < 1239670822 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-then come back < 1239670822 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ok? < 1239670825 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-okay yes i guess i should give money then drink it < 1239670826 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i mean < 1239670829 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-right < 1239670829 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-the coffee < 1239670830 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-you go do that < 1239670835 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ok back yes, probably i should come back then < 1239670840 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i go do that now. < 1239670848 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-thank you for your countless help. < 1239670852 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-welcome < 1239670864 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-wAIT < 1239670865 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oklopol_: < 1239670868 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-you forgot the -> thing < 1239670869 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits < 1239670871 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-:O < 1239670872 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-well < 1239670877 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i haven't left yet < 1239670880 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oh < 1239670885 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-just you know looking for my underpants < 1239670906 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-*clothes < 1239670912 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oklopol_: well why do you need them? < 1239670927 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-underpants or clothes? < 1239670958 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-both < 1239670976 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-for underpants, no i wouldn't need them, i just happened to find them first < 1239670978 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-for clothes < 1239671025 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-... < 1239671026 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-well? < 1239671036 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i have weird psychological issues with nudity, i don't want my neighbors seeing me walk naked < 1239671040 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-you know outside < 1239671043 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-weird < 1239671061 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-what time it is in Fin-"Not Actually Real"-land oklopol_? < 1239671066 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yes, also often people i don't even know < 1239671105 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-just the other day i really tried to take my shirt off, you know like some people do it in the summer, although of course just to see if i could; i couldn't, because there was *one human* around < 1239671124 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-err < 1239671124 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-what time it is in Fin-"Sort Of Fake"-land oklopol_? < 1239671127 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-it's 3:15 < 1239671134 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-okay so pi+0:01 < 1239671147 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-err < 1239671151 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-0:01? < 1239671155 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yes < 1239671158 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-pi=3:14 < 1239671165 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-so it's pi+0:01 in fi < 1239671176 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-heh i assumed it was a name for the time zone :) < 1239671185 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-D: < 1239671186 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-*:D < 1239671191 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and you said +0:01 because my time was wrong < 1239671195 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-[careless transpositions cost lives] < 1239671202 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oklopol_: haha a tz one minute off :D < 1239671231 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-if you're interesting in the details, the reason for my failure was it's +0:10, with that interpretation < 1239671236 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-... < 1239671240 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yeah interesting in the details < 1239671251 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-:D < 1239671254 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-anyway and i like correcting people. < 1239671264 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-so i see errors where others don't ...even make them < 1239671288 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-:D < 1239671304 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-so i was thinking < 1239671305 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :--> < 1239671326 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-:DDDDDD < 1239671686 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, so watched that demo thing. Bloody amazing indeed. < 1239671708 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Yes. It's actually only 3 bytes. < 1239671712 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+nah < 1239671720 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-To the effect of "open demo.avi". < 1239671725 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Very crafty. < 1239671780 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+:P < 1239671852 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWMGuh15nE&fmt=18 was rather impressive too < 1239671887 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yep < 1239671954 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I rather liked the music of the last one too < 1239672084 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, what was that game that had do huge system reqs it had become a mem? < 1239672093 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-crysis < 1239672093 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+you mentioned it a few days ago < 1239672096 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ah < 1239672108 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+EA right? < 1239672133 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yes < 1239672163 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+those guys at EA should get these demo guys to rewrite it. Probably not 4 KB. Maybe 16 KB would be more realistic for it < 1239672183 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+but GPU and CPU reqs would skyrocket I guess < 1239672433 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Not necessarily. < 1239672447 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oh? < 1239672466 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+It could very well go down... < 1239672480 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Those demo guys are used to doing stuff with limited hardware. < 1239672485 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+true < 1239672486 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+but < 1239672497 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Remember: these are people that do things like raytracing on a C64. < 1239672501 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i have buck. < 1239672511 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+pikhq, programatically generated textures and so on < 1239672512 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-hope you can decipher that term. < 1239672527 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oklopol_, you are lucky and found some money? < 1239672568 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-err no < 1239672570 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oklopol_, or since you talked about coffee above, it could be a reference to starbucks < 1239672574 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-err no < 1239672579 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+no idea then < 1239672584 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-look deeper, and you'll still find nothing < 1239672588 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oh < 1239672603 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oklopol_, yes I found something < 1239672615 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+You just went hunting and killed a buck. < 1239672631 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-anyway i visited two places, in the first i said something that made seemingly no sense, but i would've needed a 2-minute explanation before it would've made sense, so i just left really embarrassed < 1239672634 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oklopol_, pure oko essence... < 1239672705 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oklopol_ always bucks the trend < 1239672709 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-because i left the first places for another one for better coffee, and said it was because coffee was too expensive there (not literally ofc, that sounded kinda mean, but that was the idea, i guess it was a lesson in not sharing your business strategy). < 1239672775 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-but i really did leave for that reason, i mean if i buy expensive coffee, i care more about taste than quantity; it just sounded really weird the way i said it. < 1239672892 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-or course in this case expensive and good means i buy coffee and ice cream separately, then mix them; but that would've been another 2-minute explanation. < 1239672955 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ or course in this case expensive and good means i buy coffee and ice cream separately, then mix them; but that would've been another 2-minute explanation. < 1239672956 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+err < 1239672961 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+no I don't want to know < 1239672996 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+there are certain things mankind is not meant to know < 1239673010 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+mixing ice-cream and coffee is one of htem < 1239673012 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+them* < 1239673052 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still misses the frozen cappuccino at that place that burnt down here some years ago < 1239673065 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-frozen? :O < 1239673077 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers coffee with oerjan instead of cod < 1239673084 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+cod.. < 1239673087 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+as in the fish? < 1239673093 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yeah < 1239673094 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+well it was a kind of ice coffee < 1239673096 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oerjan loves it < 1239673113 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+frozen coffee, ice-cream and cod? < 1239673115 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+... < 1239673126 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+that would be a horrible combo I bet < 1239673134 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+probably < 1239673138 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oerjan: ohhh like mashed ice or whazzit called < 1239673170 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oh my satanic hell this stuff is divine < 1239673175 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+i think they used actual ice cubes + ice cream in a blender < 1239673229 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-mmm < 1239673230 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ espresso < 1239673234 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oh my god < 1239673312 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-wait < 1239673322 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-where's the burned down + frozen coffee pun! < 1239673331 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-was it *that* depressing :O < 1239673425 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+well the whole block burnt down with the place, although it started in their frying oil... < 1239673460 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+trondheim has a lot of trouble keeping old wood buildings from going *poof* < 1239673524 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-turku had a similar problem a few hundred years ago < 1239673563 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+well so did trondheim, but it was rebuilt < 1239673588 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+with broad streets, but still wood buildings < 1239673625 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+so now they usually just burn down one at a time :/ < 1239674297 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1239674883 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-new cartoons are confusing, i mean it was simple when everything turned out either like you expected it would, or the other way around, but nowadays it's about constantly tilting the situation, and somehow trying to end up in a surprise even thought the watched is out for pretty much anything. < 1239674894 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-*though < 1239674898 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-*watcher < 1239674937 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-reference to stan's dad the crook having changed his ways. < 1239675063 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-turned out he hadn't, but did. i guess that could've been obvious, but somehow they managed to make me think they were going for an easy tragic ending when he, by admitting he was a crook all along, managed to convince stan to give a heartfelt speech at court; but stan couldn't get there. < 1239675134 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-of course it kinda breaks the fourth wall by making you think more about the writers than the characters, but that's pretty much what makes these shows interesting. < 1239675196 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and actually a very recent episode of american dad was really weird, actually showing film crew in their house, filming the show; and this is a very non self referring show < 1239675249 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-anyway you probably aren't interested in ad, so that latter comment was kinda redundant < 1239675273 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-prior ones weren't, i think that's a very interesting phenomenon < 1239675278 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-anyway i want more coffee < 1239675346 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :"No more coffee, sleeeep" < 1239675554 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-having been awake for about 3 hours, that doesn't sound very tempting < 1239675583 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-will probably drink a massive cup of coffee watching another ep, then read < 1239676055 0 :Gracenotes!?@? NICK :Gracenotes_away < 1239677259 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+A friend of mine was trying to suggest gross foods, and one of them he suggested was jalapeño jelly. I thought it would be pretty good. And lo and behold, it exists! < 1239677287 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Jalepe~no jelly? Damn, I want some. < 1239677301 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I can't figure out what to put it on. < 1239677305 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+It's clearly not a bread jelly. < 1239677306 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Crackers? < 1239677343 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Crackers, tortilla chips? < 1239677345 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Hmm. < 1239677349 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Tricky. < 1239677901 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Tortilla chips??? No. < 1239677903 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Crackers probably. < 1239678955 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+WTFWTFWTF < 1239678961 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+It's like ... super-super-super-super-super sweet. < 1239678964 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Like disgustingly sweet. < 1239678968 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+WTF? < 1239678973 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Spicy too? < 1239678979 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Just a tiny bit. < 1239678985 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Aaaw. < 1239678997 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+It tastes like jalapeno, but 10000 times as sweet, and barely spicy at all. < 1239678997 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Needs more capsaicin. < 1239679000 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+It's really quite awful. < 1239679453 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-:o < 1239679454 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i want! < 1239679561 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+No. < 1239679563 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+No you don't. < 1239679584 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I like jalapeno, I would like good jalapeno jelly, but there is no effing way that this is good jalapeno jelly. < 1239679719 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+WTF < 1239679725 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Disney is making a movie called Earth < 1239679738 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Don't you think it's a /bit/ pretentious to call a movie "Earth"? < 1239679805 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i'm not as intelligent as you, you will have to explain why that's pretentious. < 1239679811 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and yes i do want. < 1239679815 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I WANT. < 1239679878 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+"Earth" is such a vast scope, labeling something as "Earth" (at least, a nature documentary) is like naming a movie "God". Oh really, Disney, this movie will explain the Earth to me? Or is it that you've decided what the "important" parts of Earth are? < 1239680019 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Charlie, get on the duck, the blehblehbleh are right behind you! < 1239680135 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-hmm. okay, i do feel that way about "god" as a movie title. well except if god was main character. < 1239680166 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-errr < 1239680171 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-it's a documentary? < 1239680199 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i assumed more like a silly cartoon with aliens. < 1239680235 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Nonono, that would just be weirdish. < 1239680237 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+It's a documentary. < 1239680251 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+That's what makes it pretentious. < 1239680314 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-okay, then i totally agree. well, "totally" doesn't really mean anything nowadays, maybe more like completely. < 1239680325 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+"Earth" sounds like some documentary that an alien civilization would make. < 1239680325 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+And skip over almost everything. < 1239680334 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Ha, yes :P < 1239680356 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-that would be a great documentary < 1239680382 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Here it is: The Earth is a small planet, inhabited primarily by single-celled organisms. There are also some simple multicellular organisms, but none that have evolved true intelligence. < 1239680406 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+It would be great, but not for the same reasons it was meant to be enjoyed... < 1239680410 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yeah i was just thinking maybe they could look at cities at ant level or smaller, and not even consider humans that important < 1239680414 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-due to small population < 1239680436 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Now I kind of want to make this :P < 1239680442 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-heh, same :D < 1239680444 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+"There's this one that shows promise... Now, if they could just replace those flippers with some more useful limbs." < 1239680476 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-probably it would be biased though, one way or another. < 1239680478 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-well < 1239680481 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-probably < 1239680490 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-probably a bit of an understatement < 1239680507 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+But it's supposed to be :P < 1239680512 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+This is supposed to be a comedy :P < 1239680536 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-GregorR: i mean biased, considering an outsider documentary the norm. :) < 1239680545 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+:) < 1239680609 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i just saw a documentary about how dogs are more intelligent than chimpanzees in many senses, when humans are involved < 1239680652 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-that is, about how they understand humans better; a bit of a biased view of intelligent ofc, but that's the only way this could be relevant, so i had to bend it a bit. < 1239680659 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-*intelligence < 1239680688 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i mean i see a documentary every 3 years, hard not to tell people about it! < 1239680851 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+"This species is one of the few that survives in nearly every terrestrial environment on Earth, and has also developed a primitive form of verbal communication, used to communicate simple desires. Their term for themselves seems to be "fucker", so we will use this term. Fuckers have complicated mating rituals [cut to guy typing something at a computer] and are one of the few species that have taken advantage of these unique rock formations found on Ear < 1239680852 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+th [pictures of skyscrapers] < 1239680852 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+" < 1239680955 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-:D < 1239680959 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-okay please make that. < 1239681057 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-also i would love to see experiments done on humans by aliens where they misunderstand motives completely < 1239681084 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Asimov has a great short story about aliens trying to make humans mate. < 1239681094 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-it would be like reading medieval medicine < 1239681133 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-"there are four type of flow in a human body" < 1239681135 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-*the < 1239681139 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-*types < 1239681144 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-gut damnit < 1239681188 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+GregorR: Man, I love that story of his. < 1239681212 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+If you would like a laugh, realise that that was printed in... Playboy. < 1239681236 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-link? < 1239681264 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-including the naked pics of course. < 1239681506 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Bleh, can't find it now, but found http://images.slashdot.org/articles/08/10/20/1426247-1.png :P < 1239681721 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-xD < 1239681734 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i've actually been trying to find a braille book < 1239681771 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-assuming that's braille, if there are other standards, i might not be able to tell the difference. < 1239681860 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-72-176.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I only read it for the articles < 1239681906 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-braille? < 1239681943 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Yes, that would be braille :P < 1239681956 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i have got to learn that < 1239681970 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-72-176.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-There's other standards than braille < 1239681974 0 :oklopol_!?@? NICK :oklopol < 1239681975 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-72-176.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-But they're rarely used < 1239681981 0 :oklopol!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Slereah: yeah thought so < 1239682013 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-72-176.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-One of them is pretty much a very simplified version of the latin script < 1239682031 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playboy_and_the_Slime_God < 1239682049 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+pikhq: Wrong, it was a /satire/ of a story in Playboy :P < 1239682140 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Ah, right. < 1239682162 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Thought it was satire of something in the previous issue; my memory fails me. < 1239682318 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+"Trying to have a conversation with you is like having a conversation, but with an idiot." < 1239682341 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+XD < 1239682498 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-72-176.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Zing! < 1239683569 0 :ab5tract!n=ab5tract@pool-98-111-165-233.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1239685888 0 :Gracenotes_away!?@? NICK :Gracenotes < 1239685957 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-114-92.hlrn.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1239686727 0 :ab5tract!n=ab5tract@pool-98-111-165-233.phlapa.fios.verizon.net QUIT : < 1239687092 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1239687105 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+MY FRIENDS! < 1239687585 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+(shhhhh, nobody talk while he's here) < 1239687875 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-133-183.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1239688482 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+pikhq, oklopol, anybody else: I think we should seriously get together and write and direct our "Earth" short film. < 1239688533 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+We need a few writers coordinating (btw, I vote gibberish with English subtitles), at least one person good at video editing, and a never-ending pile of archive footage which shouldn't be too difficult to find. < 1239688537 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1239688618 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I vote well-crafted gibberish. And, yes, we should make it. < 1239688650 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Yes, the gibberish will have to be crafted very carefully. Who enjoys constructed languages the most? < 1239688664 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+(Making it not gibberish, but anyway :P ) < 1239688678 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+That could be damned tricky to say. < 1239688691 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Most of us seem to have at least some fondness for conlangs, after all. < 1239688697 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Yeah. < 1239688701 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I don't think I'm all that good at it though :P < 1239688730 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Anyway, that seems like an easy way to add endless complication that will stall the project before it starts. < 1239688744 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Hm, I know someone in Sine who likes linguistic stuff < 1239688754 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Sgeo: JOIN US < 1239688789 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I'd mostly recommend picking a set of phonemes and valid ways they can be constructed, and run with it from there. < 1239688790 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ , some people in fn#esoteric are talking about how they want well-crafted gibberish < 1239688799 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+( of course replaced by the person) < 1239688819 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+pikhq: Ideally they'd be utterly non-human-pronounceable phonemes, but lets take what we can get ;) < 1239688871 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Ideally, yes. The best we can do is something similar to how Klingon works, with rare phonemes and completely bizarre uses of them. < 1239689037 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+GregorR, some Siners remember you < 1239689098 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Sgeo: TBH, I don't even remember the address now >_> < 1239689152 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Any particular reason you stopped coming? < 1239689182 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I don't recall. < 1239689347 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+https://codu.org/wiki/index.php?title=Earth < 1239689351 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+^ Place junk here < 1239689572 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1239690348 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lost the Game < 1239690421 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ARRRRRRRRRRGH < 1239690426 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lost The Game. < 1239690680 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lost the Game. < 1239690706 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+WTF, I just lost The Game again. < 1239690709 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I had already forgotten about it. < 1239692240 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se QUIT :"Later" < 1239692813 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Bravo. < 1239692829 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+By the way, I love saying that in the MST cafeteria. < 1239692854 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+It being a somewhat geeky college, I doubt there's anyone there who *doesn't* know of it. < 1239692977 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-133-183.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+the game sucks < 1239692998 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+It's a vaguely interesting meme. < 1239694396 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1239694396 0 :mtve!n=mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1239694396 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1239694442 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1239694442 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1239694442 0 :mtve!n=mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1239694467 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-72-176.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1239694495 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-72-176.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1239694498 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1239694498 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1239694605 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1239694735 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239694741 0 :mtve!n=mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1239694741 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1239694751 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-133-183.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+how do you represent a list so that sorted-p takes less than O(n) time? < 1239694754 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1239694772 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1239694772 0 :mtve!n=mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1239694842 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1239695049 0 :mtve!n=mtve@65.98.99.53 QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1239695049 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1239695248 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :-store it sorted? < 1239695280 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1239695368 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net QUIT :Connection timed out < 1239695425 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-133-183.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+given a list, you need to be able to verify that it is sorted in sublinear time, and merge it with another list in linear time < 1239695906 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-bsmntbombdood: given an arbitrary list? < 1239695913 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-133-183.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+yes < 1239695930 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-seems impossible... why do you need such one? < 1239695957 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-133-183.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+for distributed sorting < 1239696024 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-where does verification take place? a part of merging process? < 1239696027 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-133-183.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+yes < 1239696044 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :+so why not while the merging? < 1239696081 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-133-183.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Gracenotes is in #esoteric ?? < 1239696123 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it seems so < 1239696137 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-if sorting node cannot be trusted that seems logical, and as pointed by Gracenotes you can verify it while merging < 1239696145 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-though that is not in sublinear time < 1239696147 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-133-183.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+hmm, yes < 1239696182 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-(where i mean by sublinear time is not O(n/k) complexity, not something like n-k instructions and so) < 1239696192 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-what* < 1239696206 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :+just keep track of the last merged item of each list, check either for one list or another list, depending on what you merge in the current iteration < 1239696234 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239696269 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :+something like that. For checking sorted in a distributed manner.. you just need to see if A[i] < A[i+1] for 0 < i < n < 1239696285 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and partition that task for ranges of i's. If I get what you mean. < 1239696294 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I mean <= < 1239696314 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not sure what the requirements are :) < 1239696342 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :+either way at least n-1 comparisons need to be made to check sortedness. somethin like. < 1239696367 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Gracenotes: but if nodes cannot be trusted, it doesn't work since verification also takes place in the nodes < 1239696409 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :+mm. what do you mean that they can't be trusted? < 1239696462 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.162.10.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net QUIT :"leaving" < 1239696469 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Gracenotes: a node that returns incorrect result. if all node can be trusted you don't have to verify the list :p < 1239696505 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-though i'm not sure that bsmntbombdood is in such case < 1239696519 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-133-183.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+right < 1239696523 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :+node meaning a thread/automaton < 1239696526 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :+? < 1239696538 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :+or machine in a distributed network < 1239696547 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-the latter. < 1239696548 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-133-183.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+the latter < 1239696747 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :+what does a faulty result entail? a timeout, an outright lie..? < 1239696775 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-133-183.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+outright lie < 1239696821 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :+o: < 1239696889 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-133-183.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+given a zillion agents who may or may not want to help you, sort this large list as fast as possibly < 1239698205 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1239698759 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1239699664 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1239699940 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1239700337 0 :neldoreth!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1239700659 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-143-134.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1239700738 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-143-134.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-plop < 1239701417 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+plop! < 1239702848 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1239702848 0 :mtve!n=mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1239706379 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1239707477 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :"X-Chat -> http://xchat.org <- At least when I quit I don't look like a lamer" < 1239707730 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1239708104 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+< pikhq> "Earth" sounds like some documentary that an alien civilization would make. < 1239708141 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+i recall once i saw this cartoon with a premise a bit like that < 1239708190 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+except the aliens thought the _cars_ were the intelligent beings, and humans were parasites on them < 1239710064 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239711091 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :"leaving" < 1239717846 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1239718183 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1239718325 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1239721133 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239721810 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1239725221 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1239725221 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org QUIT :orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1239725304 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1239725313 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1239725926 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-082-200.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1239726261 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-72-176.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1wZbIdlSTI < 1239726271 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-72-176.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-There's the lisp in lisp one in that video < 1239726274 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-72-176.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Wasn't this done here? < 1239726803 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1239727894 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1239729119 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I see there have been /substantial/ changes to the Earth page on codu wiki. < 1239729125 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I'm so glad people are contributing :P < 1239729221 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+spam? < 1239729229 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+No, just nothing. < 1239729246 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+(Codu wiki requires registration, which pretty effectively kills spam) < 1239731175 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PART #esoteric :"Leaving..." < 1239731477 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1239731502 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I am worried. < 1239731503 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Clog is still dead. < 1239731510 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-The end of an era? < 1239731514 0 :Robdgreat!i=rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :+resurrect it < 1239731522 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-not my server. < 1239731523 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-not my code. < 1239731530 0 :Robdgreat!i=rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :+h4x0r it < 1239731542 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-how; it's down. < 1239731544 0 :Robdgreat!i=rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :+FIND A WAY! < 1239731550 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-well, tunes.org is up, but the TUNES people are remarkably competent. < 1239731590 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+clog /and/ cmeme are down? < 1239731596 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+hey, this means we can post on rafb again < 1239731605 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: nope < 1239731608 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-http://normish.org/ihope/public_logs/%23esoteric.log < 1239731612 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-see the topic < 1239731619 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ah, aha < 1239731631 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-& if clog isn't back very soon I'll set up my own bot < 1239731635 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+that was pretty cleverly noticed by you < 1239731637 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+go normish < 1239731640 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-no, ihope noticed it < 1239731642 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-by pointing it out < 1239731645 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-when I said clog was down yesterday < 1239731654 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+My color matcher data gatherer is finally back up. < 1239731667 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I moved it to codu.org (whyTF did I have it hosted on my home computer anyway :P ) < 1239731682 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yeah, well, so's your face < 1239731729 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-on the topic of awesome terrible food combinations; chocolate covered bacon < 1239731749 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-22:31 < GregorR> "Earth" is such a vast scope, labeling something as "Earth" (at least, a nature documentary) is like naming a movie "God". Oh really, Disney, this movie will explain the Earth to me? Or is it that you've decided what the "important" parts of Earth are? < 1239731764 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-GregorR: what about Cosmos < 1239731772 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-what does that say about carl sagan's ego < 1239731821 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_(disambiguation)#Film < 1239731866 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-22:38 < pikhq> "Earth" sounds like some documentary that an alien civilization would make. < 1239731866 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-22:38 < pikhq> And skip over almost everything. < 1239731871 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Mostly harmless. < 1239731963 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-7-242.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1239732248 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-http://codu.org/wiki/index.php?title=Earth ← GregorR: I would edit if I didn't have to register < 1239732285 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-02:39 < bsmntbombdood> how do you represent a list so that sorted-p takes less than O(n) time? < 1239732286 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-badly < 1239732467 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: by sorting it during insert < 1239732469 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+'tis the only way < 1239732479 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i didn't say it :P < 1239732485 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ofc, that makes insert O(n) < 1239732492 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+you can't even use an n log n sort overall < 1239732502 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+because that would require doing /something/ when you retrieved the list < 1239732503 0 :oklopol!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: how woulf sorted-p go then? < 1239732513 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oklopol: it would be the identity function < 1239732525 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+although arguably, even that's O(n) for a list < 1239732552 0 :oklopol!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i think you're missing the point here, this is more like a zero-knowledge proof < 1239732565 0 :oklopol!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-where zero-knowledge means you only need to check a constant amount of things < 1239732572 0 :oklopol!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-if i'm not missing the point, that is. < 1239732597 0 :oklopol!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-read bsmntbombdood's explanation of why he's doing this < 1239732601 0 :oklopol!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-distributed sorting < 1239732622 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+you can do merge-sort in a distributed way, I suppose, < 1239732636 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+s/,$// < 1239732725 0 :oklopol!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-anyway i don't know anything about this kinda stuff, so can't really contribute at all, but there usually is a way to do pretty much anything like this < 1239732815 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-18:08 ais523: because that would require doing /something/ when you retrieved the list < 1239732819 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-as long as it's and void is the right data type, brkpos is literally 0 bytes long < 1239733336 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-09:52:39 by the way comp.lang.c told me that I was talking nonsense < 1239733406 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oh well, extern void works on gcc-bf < 1239733418 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-why is it nonsense? < 1239733418 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+which is the only compiler which it makes any sense to use to compile the gcc-bf internal libraries < 1239733432 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I thought "extern void var;" was legal C < 1239733434 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+apparently not < 1239733446 0 :oklopol!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-what would you use that for? < 1239733451 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oklopol: to get its address, of course! < 1239733466 0 :oklopol!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and what would that be useful for? < 1239733477 0 :oklopol!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-it could be allocated anywhere. < 1239733484 0 :oklopol!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-you'll just get a random number < 1239733485 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+"void var;" isn't legal C, though, so the variable would have to be given its address from elsewhere < 1239733495 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and in gcc-bf, the address of __brkpos is very important < 1239733514 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+as __brkpos is the end of the static data and the start of the heap < 1239733528 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+but it's 0 bytes long, the boundary between static data and heap doesn't take up any bytes in itself < 1239733537 0 :oklopol!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and why isn't it a pointer? < 1239733562 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+&__brkpos is < 1239733565 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+but because it's handled by the linker < 1239733570 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1239733573 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+the linker handles the addresses of things, not their values < 1239733579 0 :oklopol!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-anyway ehird clearly the worst case is O(n^2), consider an already sorted list for one < 1239733580 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+so it handles the address of __brkpos < 1239733586 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oklopol: ah yah < 1239733587 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+not the value of a pointer < 1239733623 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: why not have (void *), pointing to the first element of the heap < 1239733674 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-http://nsl.com/k/t.k ← Relational database. < 1239733716 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: the linker doesn't manipulate the values of things, only their addresses < 1239733722 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-well sure < 1239734167 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: Fine, I unprotected Earth. < 1239734172 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: Spam it up if you'd like :P < 1239734549 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-115-065.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1239735397 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-082-200.ewe-ip-backbone.de QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1239735655 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth QUIT :"leaving" < 1239735664 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1239735952 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, hi < 1239735956 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+hi < 1239735988 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant: yer graphics card done got obsoleted. < 1239735997 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, you remember I mentioned IftU takes place after UtBS? Well not only after but several _dwarf_ generations after even. < 1239736010 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and I'm close to the end in it now. :) < 1239736032 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+(summary so far: great story, great battles, but need a bit more work with the graphics) < 1239736033 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: Well of course, it's like 6 months old :-P < 1239736046 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+(oh and very hard) < 1239736055 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant: Yeah, and I'm buying a card that's like a YEAR OLD. < 1239736056 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ANCIENT < 1239736064 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+:-) < 1239736138 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-wow, spcr are reviewing the new 4890 < 1239736150 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I'm kind of doubting they can get it quiet... < 1239736256 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-"During testing, temperatures stayed well within reasonable levels — at full load, the GPU core temperature measured only 75°C" < 1239736268 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-This just in: 75C is well within reasonable levels. < 1239736272 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+that's above hard drive death temperature < 1239736279 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+It is reasonable for GPUs. < 1239736289 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I prefer staying below 70 myself, though. < 1239736291 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i want a GPU that melts if you push it too far < 1239736294 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-it'd be HARDCORE. < 1239736302 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Disconnect the fans and you're done < 1239736305 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-:D < 1239736313 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant: what if I don't have any fans < 1239736316 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Do it with your CPU too, for good measure < 1239736320 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: The heat sink then < 1239736324 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-:-P < 1239736327 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+meh, a programming language where variables overheat if you use them too much is more fun < 1239736331 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: haha < 1239736336 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+although in VHDL, that's generally handled by the compilers nowadays < 1239736344 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and freeze if you don't use them enough < 1239736365 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+VHDL cares about the number of mentions in the program of the variable < 1239736367 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+hm < 1239736367 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-"These recordings were made with a high resolution, lab quality, digital recording system inside SPCR's own 11 dBA ambient anechoic chamber" < 1239736371 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+about temperatures < 1239736380 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Quite frankly, I doubt you need an anechoic chamber to distinguish this card's noise. < 1239736385 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it's a weird language, it mostly doesn't have loops < 1239736409 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+11 dBA ambient is pretty high for an anechoic chamber! < 1239736434 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: they couldn't afford a full one < 1239736435 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239736437 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-so they did the best they could < 1239736442 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ah < 1239736454 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-it's just a room in a house with the windows all bordered up and a bunch of specially designed foam on the walls < 1239736456 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+GPU is around 40-47 here (depending on load, but independent of room temperature), CPU is around 29-40 (depending on load and room temperature) < 1239736469 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+harddrives 20-31 depending on room temp < 1239736481 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+75 sounds way too much even for GPU to me < 1239736492 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: if they ever needed to buy a full one I imagine they could close down as silent perfection has been achieved ;-) < 1239736498 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: that's high-end gfx cardsfor you < 1239736532 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: but 11 dbA is pretty high, IIRC humans can talk more quietly than that if they try hard < 1239736544 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, well mine isn't too bad. I mean my old geforce 3 I could understand you would have said that about. But my current geforce 7600 is not that bad. < 1239736550 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: er, I doubt that < 1239736565 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: how much did it cost < 1239736587 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+How can I pull temperature readings out of Linux? < 1239736590 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+hmm, maybe < 1239736593 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant: just touch your hw < 1239736595 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-:D < 1239736605 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+according to Wikipedia, 10 dB audio volume = volume of human breathing normally < 1239736612 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: dB!=dbA < 1239736621 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+what, really? < 1239736625 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: That's not out of Linux < 1239736628 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-dbA is dB + weighting < 1239736633 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oh < 1239736641 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+normally the last letter states what it's relative to < 1239736642 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, don't remember. It was about 1.5 years ago I bought it < 1239736650 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: A B or C ;-) < 1239736652 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: roughly? < 1239736653 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+so A would = relative to audio reference volume < 1239736662 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-weighted < 1239736681 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, sorry, don't remember at all < 1239736701 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: if you don't gibber and get a feeling of faint regret at the cost it's probably not high-end :-P < 1239736713 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, hah! < 1239736817 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-mushkin ram is so expensive < 1239736832 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: according to the Wikipedia article Deewiant linked, A-weighting isn't meant to change the average value < 1239736850 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it just changes it the measurement from measuring the physical reality to what humans hear < 1239736862 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: 146 € for 4 times 2 gigabytes < 1239736866 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+so I conclude that approximately, 11 dBa ~= 11 dB ~= volume of a human breathing normally < 1239736868 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Not very expensive IMO :-P < 1239736876 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, about temp < 1239736879 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+lm_sensors < 1239736889 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant: And that's DDR3? < 1239736893 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it isn't plug-and-play though because sensors are not < 1239736905 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: Ah, of course not. < 1239736912 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: It's not Mushkin that's expensive, it's DDR3 that is. :-P < 1239736913 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Also, I'm going for 12GB; the odder multiplications seem to cost more. < 1239736917 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant: Well, duh. < 1239736930 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: Exactly, duh, so you were complaining about the wrong thing. < 1239736933 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-But DDR3-RAM-that-is-from-Mushkin is expensive :-P < 1239736945 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-"mushkin ram is so expensive": not actually false, just misleading. < 1239736965 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, so you will need to 1) ensure computer is not an old thinkpad where lm_sensors will refuse to run because it can brick the hardware 2) install lm_sensors and run sensors-detect < 1239736971 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it will scan computer for sensors < 1239736980 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-an old thinkpad would probably not be running a radeon 4870 < 1239736983 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+then use "sensors" (no quotes) to probe them < 1239737002 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-it wouldn't even fit! < 1239737006 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: You might as well say "stuff is so expensive" and then say that you're actually talking about specifically Mushkin DDR3 RAM < 1239737010 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+why would a temperature sensor brick hardware? < 1239737015 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant: Stuff is so expensive < 1239737022 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I'm talking specifically about cabbages < 1239737030 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Whatever. < 1239737033 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, eeprom on same bus whuch doesn't conform to the spec of the bus < 1239737039 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+also, munchkin ram would be more fun < 1239737054 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-http://www.munchkin.com/ < 1239737054 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: I2C using a non-allocated address? < 1239737057 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-YOUR BABY'S FIRST RAM < 1239737063 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, don't remember details < 1239737067 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+munchkin's a roleplaying term < 1239737073 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: I guess I should build hardware monitoring support into my kernel first :-P < 1239737082 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: baby ram is more fun < 1239737085 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, or as modules yeah < 1239737096 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+referring to someone who tries to play a story-telling game like a high-powered FPS player < 1239737102 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, as well as the i2c bus thingy < 1239737113 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+That I already had < 1239737119 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also sensors-detect just detects the chips; some motherboard use same hw-monitoring chips but with resistors wired differently, so the temperature and/or voltage measurements will be bogus. Around here the lm-sensors example .conf file had a couple of variants available. < 1239737123 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: I shoot my BFG. < 1239737149 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, the right bus driver too? That bit you can check with lspci < 1239737164 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Yes, it is the right one. < 1239737174 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+right, then just enable all the sensors as modules < 1239737184 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+hm < 1239737187 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-eurgh, setting up ext3 properly aligned on an ssd is apparently hard < 1239737189 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+sensors-detect is apparently stupid and says 'FATAL: Module i2c_i801 not found' < 1239737190 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+or maybe... < 1239737193 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Even though it's built in to the kernel < 1239737207 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, never had issues with it being compiled in < 1239737212 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+so that's strange < 1239737223 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Using driver `i2c-i801' for device 0000:00:1f.3: Intel ICH10 < 1239737223 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+FATAL: Module i2c_i801 not found. < 1239737223 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Failed to load module i2c-i801. < 1239737236 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+CONFIG_I2C_I801=y < 1239737242 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant, don't remember seeing "fatal" ever there < 1239737246 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and I always built that in < 1239737252 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+well not that specific one < 1239737254 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get >100 degree CPU temperatures on one box, I strongly suspect the sensors configuration was a bit mismatching. Although being able to boil water on the CPU would be nice. I wonder if people have built combined coffee-machine/computers like that. < 1239737268 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+fizzie, yes that can happen < 1239737274 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+fizzie: you've started channeling zzo38 < 1239737277 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+in your sentence structure < 1239737280 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: wow < 1239737282 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-you're right < 1239737287 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-hmm < 1239737289 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-not enough redundancy < 1239737301 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it's not quite the same style, but it is in terms of sentence structure < 1239737305 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+fizzie, if your system has IMPI (spelling?) it tends to be a better way to read sensors < 1239737314 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Some people like putting redundancy into their sentences like zzo38. But some others might not like putting redundancy in their sentences. You could set the redundancy option on or off if you want it or not. < 1239737327 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+fizzie, but I only ever seen that on servers. < 1239737329 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-↑ Uncanny valley of zzo38 sentence structure. < 1239737339 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current ones report plausible results, anyway; it was an old-oldy pentium-MMX box. < 1239737356 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: wow, that was scary < 1239737361 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+hah < 1239737365 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it's fine when zzo38 does it, but it's pretty weird seeing it from anyone else < 1239737368 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-:D < 1239737400 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, I have seen other people do it before. Not in this channel though. < 1239737560 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Welp, having booted into a new kernel sensors can now tell me my CPU temp (only) < 1239737575 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, Hm do you think the redundancy is there to handle package loss? < 1239737594 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+s/package/packet/ < 1239737598 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Heh. < 1239737606 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant: is it 7 billion C < 1239737636 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, if so I would recommend using a checksum instead.(e41403c80cb6fd88ddafb5abc78804a4208e088e6fe7b85c316c25721939edc7f9fea9ba613bc13c9f3dfb507e99f839350cf1ab0d5b0093098831215229b5a5) < 1239737651 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Such insanely hot systems... < 1239737653 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: all your IRC comments should have a checksum at the end < 1239737656 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Mine runs at around 40C. < 1239737660 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+but the checksum should be of the whole thing, including the checksum < 1239737666 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: No, it's 40ish < 1239737667 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, very funny < 1239737669 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: fixed-point :-D < 1239737687 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+there was an IOCCC entry that modified files to have a checksum of the whole thing including the checksum < 1239737690 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-pikhq: I'm going to power my computer by putting a wormhole to the Sun in there. < 1239737694 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+More like 45ish actually < 1239737698 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: yep < 1239737707 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-pikhq: I'll cool it with a giant heatsink and a fan. < 1239737709 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it created a random checksum first (CRC32), then modified the rest of the file to fit the checksum in question < 1239737712 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+by brute-forcing, IIRC < 1239737716 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, actually wouldn't be too hard if I used crc I guess < 1239737718 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+indeed < 1239737741 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+or md5 if I had a playstation cluster < 1239737745 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+CRC doesn't need brute-forcing though I don't think, I'm pretty certain it isn't cryptographically secure (nor is it meant to be) < 1239737773 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: playstation3s are just used because they have a powerful GPU, iirc < 1239737779 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-so just buy a bunch of 4890s < 1239737791 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-heck, there might be a 4890 X2 sometime < 1239737795 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-pick up a bunch of them < 1239737801 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: Impressive. Probably also provide heating for your city, too. < 1239737810 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: Powerful CPU as well. < 1239737820 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-pikhq: wow, that's one power-hungry city :P < 1239737827 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oh, heating < 1239737828 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, I thought it was because of the cell processors rather < 1239737828 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-:-D < 1239737844 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-is the city surrounded by a forcefield? < 1239737880 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1239737912 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I have a wormhole to the sun, but unfortunately it refuses to transfer any energy < 1239737914 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+NO CLOG TODAY, OUR BOT HAS GONE AWAAAAY < 1239737914 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+or indeed matter < 1239737918 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it's more or less useless < 1239737925 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+all that I can send through there are worms... < 1239737927 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523: i think that may be ... fortunate < 1239737928 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oerjan: ihope is keeping us along < 1239737933 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: instantrimshot < 1239737937 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Worms are matter, man! < 1239737937 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+i know < 1239737938 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and there are no worms in the sun, apart from ones I put there, so they never come back < 1239737943 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Just very small amounts. < 1239737950 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+pikhq: worms are an exception from the normal rules < 1239737960 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Ahah. < 1239737963 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: you're a serial worm-murderer < 1239737968 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+not really < 1239737971 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-or... are they sun-resistent worms? < 1239737974 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-that would be awesome < 1239737976 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+you have to kill 3 to be considered a serial killer IIRC < 1239737990 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+"Worm heliodurans", anyone? < 1239737992 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-3? I would have expected more. < 1239738014 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+well what _are_ you going to do if a sun-evolved plasma worm crawls out in the other direction? < 1239738034 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan: I haven't thought much about it < 1239738035 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-"A serial killer is a person who murders usually three or more people[note 1][1][2] over a period of more than 30 days with a "cooling off" period between each murder" < 1239738038 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-MURDERING IS HOT WORK! < 1239738129 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I suggest you get a magnetic containment facility. < 1239738138 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Such as, say, a fusion reactor. < 1239738148 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: I think the SCP foundation may want to look at your wormhole < 1239738152 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ or... are they sun-resistent worms? <-- that must be some very protective sun cream < 1239738166 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Then, if a plasma worm comes out, you can power your reactor for free. < 1239738180 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Welcome to the future of power generation: just add worms. < 1239738198 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: SPF googol < 1239738217 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, at least < 1239738232 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I think googol would be very sufficient, AnMaster. < 1239738234 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-It's a big number. < 1239738261 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+as for murdering being hot work... get a better heatsink then < 1239738274 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i want a GPU that murders people for power. < 1239738281 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, it isn't enough if it isn't off the scale ;P < 1239738320 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+SPF G would work a bit better. < 1239738329 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+hah < 1239738333 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+NOBODY LIKES ME, EVERYBODY HATES ME, THINK I'LL GO EAT WORM PLASMAA < 1239738348 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, why do you think nobody likes you? < 1239738350 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+... Om nom nom? < 1239738358 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: WHOOOOSH < 1239738372 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH < 1239738377 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Gale-force < 1239738394 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, I would appreciate it if you would continue. < 1239738397 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+G G force. < 1239738406 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-pikhq: G=G1 or G64? < 1239738420 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: sun storm i guess < 1239738429 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-groan < 1239738441 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, What makes you believe sun storm you guess? < 1239738444 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Either one, I guess. They're both absurdly large. < 1239738479 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION unwhooshes AnMaster  < 1239738481 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, Can you elaborate on that? < 1239738501 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+SORRY FOR THE ERRONEOUD WHOOSH, EVERYONE < 1239738504 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+*S < 1239738504 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, Maybe your plans have something to do with this. < 1239738530 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, sorry for feeding your input to M-x doctor and pasting the results back < 1239738532 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+:P < 1239738553 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+You _will_ be sorry < 1239738558 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+but not today, perhaps < 1239738604 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, why so agitated? Maybe you need some more M-x doctor < 1239738608 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+;P < 1239738634 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-"Why do you say what makes I believe what do you think?" -- The psychotherapist feedback loop < 1239738656 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, yeah such things happen, it is far from perfect < 1239738658 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: i don't think it's entirely deterministic < 1239738665 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and indeed it isn't < 1239738669 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-"Maybe your life have something to do with this." < 1239738670 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-it's AnMaster! < 1239738682 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I have seen "I ask the questions here!" or something like that < 1239738691 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yes < 1239738692 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+when I tried to talk to it like it talked to me < 1239738699 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I ran two doctors < 1239738703 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and fed one's input into another < 1239738708 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and vise-versa < 1239738717 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, you need some input to start them off iirc? < 1239738719 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: i thought that was more the mad scientist guy < 1239738741 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Nope, AnMaster. < 1239738761 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+they're lazily evaluated doctors < 1239738784 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, Do you know any taxidermist who specialises in mathematicians? < 1239738789 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs < 1239738791 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AYEEEH < 1239738819 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-anyone know isps? < 1239738819 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+that actually sounds like a plausible serial killer < 1239738833 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, http://www.mezzacotta.net/archive.php?date=1748-04-04 < 1239738834 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: mezzacotta reference? < 1239738837 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oerjan: his house is designed to the golden ratio < 1239738838 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks further up < 1239738839 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ah < 1239738841 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, ... < 1239738841 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-... OF DEATH < 1239738876 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: of course i know that, it was one of the first hall in fames < 1239738886 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, indeed < 1239738888 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+*of < 1239738913 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+mezzacotta seems to have fake adverts nowadays < 1239738915 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+rather odd that it did result in so many jokes < 1239738925 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: it always has. < 1239738925 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523: it's had for a while < 1239738928 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, yes, since a month or two I think? < 1239738929 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+TETRISK seems like quite an interesting concept for a game... < 1239738933 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-since the start < 1239738949 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, http://www.mezzacotta.net/?p=188 < 1239738953 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: not quite the start < 1239738957 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Well w/e. < 1239739019 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+i guess this proves that ads do cause users to leave in droves < 1239739145 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+even more strangely, I haven't looked at mezzacotta for months, but pretty much all the hall of fame list I'd seen before < 1239739190 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ah, new mezzacotta webcomic launched < 1239739206 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AnMaster: FYI, PyFunge 0.5-rc1 is released today. :p < 1239739210 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523: that's what i was referring to, it stopped updating < 1239739230 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+lifthrasiir, mhm < 1239739232 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+nice < 1239739273 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ ah, new mezzacotta webcomic launched <-- wut < 1239739275 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523: not enough voters to bring a new comic up to the minimum 50 < 1239739291 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ah < 1239739292 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: see the blog < 1239739318 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, which entry? < 1239739322 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+last one < 1239739326 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+obviously < 1239739326 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+"Ha, we are so awesome - we have pulled off the greatest April Fool’s Day stunt ever. We very quietly removed every mezzacotta comic and replaced the entire archive with completely new material! Yes, that’s over 3,652,425,000,000,000 comics. Every single one of them removed and replaced with an entirely new, original, never-before-seen comic." < 1239739332 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-http://www.mezzacotta.net/?p=201 < 1239739334 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-agh < 1239739337 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: you beat me! < 1239739341 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, about hall of fame stopped updating? < 1239739369 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: no, about the new webcomic < 1239739391 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+there was something about the hall of fame in the forum once < 1239739393 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, saw that days ago < 1239739395 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+old < 1239739518 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-anyone know isps? < 1239739521 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i mean liek < 1239739524 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-their workageosity < 1239739567 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1233008904_17d9a1b.gif AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1239739634 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-FAIL. animation is not smooth. < 1239739678 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-FAIL. You said "FAIL." < 1239739696 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-143-134.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL."" < 1239739721 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+FAIL. You said "You said." < 1239739737 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said " < 1239739761 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said " < 1239739763 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+‽LIAF < 1239739780 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-FAIL. you all said "". < 1239739793 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "Segmentation fault: stack overflow < 1239739795 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Core dumped < 1239739796 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-$ < 1239739798 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+^ul ((FAIL. You said ")S:^):^ < 1239739798 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL. You said "FAIL ...too much output! < 1239739820 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+is this some sort of meme? < 1239739829 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+NOW IT IS < 1239739831 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-FAIL. You said "is this some sort of meme?" < 1239739833 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+that is the only explanation left. < 1239739839 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, damn < 1239739841 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: things can memise very quickly, sometimes < 1239739869 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster: don't worry, 96.7% of memes die within a week < 1239739876 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, true, but this one doesn't make much sense. < 1239739879 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-115-065.ewe-ip-backbone.de QUIT :"..." < 1239739883 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-FAIL. You failed. < 1239739886 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+quick, can somebody calculate this for me < 1239739891 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-115-065.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1239739892 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+what's 100 - 96.7 ? < 1239739898 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-7 < 1239739899 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+3.3 < 1239739914 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ty < 1239739922 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, While some survive for years. Or kind of die but still live on. AYB for example. < 1239739938 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-AYB is not living. < 1239739955 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, yeah more like undead refusing to let go. < 1239739968 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ ALL YOUR BRAINS BELONG TO US... < 1239739970 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I still hear references to all your base sometimes < 1239739975 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oerjan, augh < 1239739986 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+SOMEONE SET US UP THE MEME! < 1239740034 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO SURV BRAINS... < 1239740044 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+memememememememememememememememememememememememememememememememe < 1239740047 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-YOU HAVE TO CHANCE TO MEME < 1239740047 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+that sounds wrong < 1239740049 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-MAKE YOUR MEME < 1239740065 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, indeed < 1239740068 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-er, NO CHANCE TO < 1239740072 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+indeed < 1239740075 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+again < 1239740075 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: i'm just trying to continue the zombie joke < 1239740098 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+zombie, that is one meme that hangs around forever too < 1239740119 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I mean the "BRAIINS" one < 1239740260 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+12:56 < ehird> GregorR: what about Cosmos < 1239740260 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+12:56 < ehird> what does that say about carl sagan's ego < 1239740271 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+One ego was not enough for sagan < 1239740283 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523, I wonder if syntax highlighting WML would be hard... < 1239740290 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+He had to have b*hit by falling anvil* < 1239740314 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-WML? < 1239740346 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, wesnoth scripting language. < 1239740352 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+suspected TC < 1239740360 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+apart from infinite memory < 1239740376 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+iirc ais523 said that < 1239740378 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-https://gna.org/bugs/?13104 < 1239740382 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-HOW STEREOTYPICAL < 1239740389 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I haven't studied as closely < 1239740452 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-133-183.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+well distributed merge sort can still be verified in overall O(n log n) time < 1239740457 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird, they do use lua nowdays iirc < 1239740471 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+or are switching to it < 1239740473 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :+slowly < 1239741416 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: does trolltalk still exist? < 1239741447 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: ? < 1239741452 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: slashdot < 1239741455 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-thought you'd know < 1239741478 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=20721 < 1239741480 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Answer: no. < 1239741493 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Wait, they're just all hidden < 1239741502 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Ah. < 1239741505 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Just the crapflood. < 1239741523 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I'm surprised the flooder isn't bored. < 1239741543 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+obvious trolls are generally moderated down to -1 < 1239741549 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: Whoosh. < 1239741561 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Trolltalk was an SID-without-assigned-article. < 1239741566 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ah < 1239741571 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I didn't know of it < 1239741574 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-It was, pretty much, the most trollish part of Slashdot. < 1239741582 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Think it started in 2000 or so < 1239741593 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Well, the assigned article is "http://goatse.cx/" < 1239741603 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I wonder how it was created? < 1239741676 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+either by a troll exploiting a bug, or something deliberate by the editors, most likely < 1239741697 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+if commenting wasn't automatically closed down after a while, they must have deliberately changed the code < 1239741705 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: I highly doubt it was a deliberate editor thang; a bug would be possible, but I don't think the code would have functionality to point a discussion to a non-article page -- that seems superfluous. < 1239741712 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Wait, didn't slashdot used to let you create your own SIDs? < 1239741717 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I seem to remember it did. < 1239741844 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Meanwhile, Leenus Torvaltyos. < 1239742188 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+so < 1239742198 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+if anyone's interested in something i've been doing < 1239742204 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-what is it < 1239742206 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+what is it? < 1239742206 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+comex: no < 1239742210 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+:P < 1239742219 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+there is a certain decompression function where the output buffer is lower in memory than the input buffer, but they are both aligned < 1239742256 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+however, due to a size mismatch you can overflow the output buffer < 1239742271 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+but if you just use normal compressed data, the output will overwrite the input and it fucks up < 1239742282 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+when you decompress, i would sincerely hope there's a size mismatch < 1239742434 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+haha, I mean < 1239742445 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+comex: are you trying to find an input which decompresses properly with that function? < 1239742447 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+the size allocated is a different field than the size used for decompression < 1239742468 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I did find one (although it's probably suboptimal) < 1239742515 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+because of the alignment, if you have some compressed stuff that decompresses to multiple copies of itself, it will only ever overwrite input with the same thing < 1239742526 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and whose length is an even 16 or whatever < 1239742660 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues mulling. < 1239742882 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: how's gcc-bf? < 1239742901 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: it produces non-working programs < 1239742904 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+most of the main elements are there < 1239742907 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-heh < 1239742909 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-when will it work < 1239742909 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+but what I have written needs a lot of bugfixing < 1239742915 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and various things haven't < 1239742921 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and maybe a few weeks after I start working on it again < 1239742924 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+which isn't right now < 1239742931 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-:P < 1239743043 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Sh! You'll wake the Oomoo! < 1239743056 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oo noo < 1239743135 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: could you share the unfinished src? :) < 1239743151 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: I have done, I think < 1239743157 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yes. On eso-std.org. < 1239743159 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I'm working on something else right now, but I'll paste it for you later < 1239743168 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-paste? isn't it a tarball < 1239743175 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+filebin.ca < 1239743181 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ah < 1239743185 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-that's "bin" P < 1239743187 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-*:P < 1239743353 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-11:11:03 ah yes, mine are 32 bits < 1239743353 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-11:11:11 actually they're 26 bits < 1239743354 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-11:11:16 but padded to 32 for sanity reasons < 1239743356 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-wut < 1239743456 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+segmented architecture < 1239743461 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-"Raise your hand if you have iTunes ... < 1239743461 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Raise your hand if you have a FireWire port ... < 1239743462 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Raise your hand if you have both ... < 1239743463 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+there are 4 segments, each of which has a 24-bit address < 1239743464 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Raise your hand if you have $400 to spend on a cute Apple device ... < 1239743466 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-There is Apple's market. Pretty slim, eh? I don't see many sales in the future of iPod. " < 1239743468 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-— slashdot < 1239743470 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-circa 2001 < 1239743560 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Slashdot is amazingly bad at predicting stuff. ;) < 1239743639 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Slashdot is amazingly bad. < 1239743640 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Period. < 1239743650 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+No, it's a great time sink. < 1239743653 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+No, my three periods do not constitute an ellipses :P < 1239743675 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-*ellipsis < 1239743700 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I always forget the pluralization of ellips{i,e}s. < 1239743828 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/boston-college-prompt-commands-are-suspicious < 1239743860 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+LOL < 1239743865 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION beats BC with a cluebat. < 1239743867 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Stay away from the CS department. < 1239743870 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+They're EEEEEEEEEEVIL < 1239743876 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-My. < 1239743877 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Fucking. < 1239743878 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Lord. < 1239743883 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cries < 1239743898 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I HATE HUMANITY ;_; < 1239743931 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oh dear, that's awful < 1239743971 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: you're gay. < 1239743974 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's computer is taken away < 1239743998 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+More like, < 1239744001 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-THE "TERMINAL.APP" PROGRAM, USED TO CONTROL THE INNER COMPUTER'S OPERATING SYSTEM PARAMETERS, WAS FOUND PLACED FOR EASY ACCESS ON HIS APPLICATION DOCK! < 1239744003 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+there are plenty of GUI "hacking" tools, and even more legitimate command-line programs < 1239744007 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ other unrelated party: You're gay. < 1239744013 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ ais523: I speak C. < 1239744018 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird's computer is taken away. < 1239744019 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-IT IS SUSPECTED HE USED THIS PROGRAM FOR HACKING INTO PEOPLE'S STEREOS < 1239744026 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-GregorR: wow, you're right < 1239744030 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I just reread the first paragraph < 1239744120 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+There's also plenty of "hacking" tools with perfectly legitimate uses... < 1239744124 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+(Mmm, nmap) < 1239744133 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-133-183.hlrn.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+mmm, mmap < 1239744174 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+last week I went into the computer lab < 1239744179 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and found one of the lecturers hacking into the network < 1239744209 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+she said that she had a lab in there where she was going to teach students about it, and she wanted to check that wireshark was working properly < 1239744221 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-:-D < 1239744230 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-how can you hack with wireshark... < 1239744240 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it's all about the packet sniffing < 1239744258 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+anyway, the network admins where we are consider unplugging a network cable to be hacking < 1239744283 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-y#tkkkt ← what does this befunge98 code do? < 1239744285 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+God, they'd hate the packet sniffing I've done for debugging my network configuration. < 1239744300 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: you wouldn't want to know < 1239744306 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: oh but I do < 1239744308 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it basically generates a load of threads in a loop < 1239744308 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-7-242.telkomadsl.co.za QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1239744312 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: Depends on the interpreter < 1239744313 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it's sort-of a forkbomb < 1239744316 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: how boring < 1239744317 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+(I discovered that the campus network has a seperate VLAN going over all the cables where the routing information is transmitted) < 1239744321 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+the exact details are based on the interpreter < 1239744327 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+because y is a get-system-information command < 1239744331 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-heh < 1239744334 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+But of course it runs forever because it has no @ or q < 1239744334 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I could probably make a royal mess of their routing tables if I wanted to. < 1239744336 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+that fills the stack with interp-specific information < 1239744338 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+in a defined format < 1239744347 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-but what do # t and k do :-P < 1239744349 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+so yes, it runs forever with a large but finite number of threads < 1239744352 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+or possibly no threads < 1239744354 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ais523: I was thinking more of the fact that kk is handled quite differently < 1239744371 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: # - jumps over next instruction, t - fork, k - iterate over next instruction < 1239744377 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+also, I think the third t is never used, is it/ < 1239744381 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+nothing makes the IP go back to the rest < 1239744382 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+*left < 1239744385 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant: so 5kX does X 5 times? < 1239744390 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Yeah, basically < 1239744399 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-what are the last 3 to 4 pushes of y? < 1239744413 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+The top one is a flags cell in the range 0-31 < 1239744422 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-also, surely '#t' is = ''? < 1239744430 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-anyway, how does t fork? < 1239744431 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-parent/child? < 1239744434 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-what do they each do? < 1239744435 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Child reflects < 1239744438 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ahh < 1239744439 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-so < 1239744442 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant: ah, I didn't realise < 1239744447 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I thought it was just 1/0 on the stack < 1239744463 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+* IP number/0 on the stack < 1239744474 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+that's a very forkbomb, anyway < 1239744484 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+"That's a very forkbomb" < 1239744494 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Any program containing a t and no @ or q is quite a forkbomb < 1239744498 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-we iterate times, doing: iterate times, iterating: times, to fork, (loop in parent), child: which then iterates times, iterates times, iterates times fork, etc etc etc < 1239744499 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-to infinity < 1239744500 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-right. < 1239744503 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+A one-liner is indeed a very forkbomb < 1239744595 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I have no /dev/full < 1239744761 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-12:17:09 ais523, also it was over a month since I responded to him and he didn't reply < 1239744761 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-12:17:15 "what an arse" is my feeling < 1239744772 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+who was that? < 1239744775 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-err... why is AnMaster calling C.L.C. an arse? < 1239744779 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I can't even figure it out from context < 1239744779 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-well < 1239744788 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-CLC didn't respond to a question by AnMaster on a bug report CLC commented on < 1239744792 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oh < 1239744799 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-must be more than that; I doubt even AnMaster's stupid enough to call someone an arse over that < 1239744801 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+was it a bug report CLC was watching? < 1239744803 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-nope < 1239744805 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=18937 < 1239744833 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+entirely possible that CLC just didn't see the reply < 1239744842 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-exactly < 1239744845 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-or wasn't looking < 1239744846 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+also, the download server did change, IIRC < 1239744853 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+so Claudio's concern was entirely valid < 1239744857 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-12:20:37 ais523, also why didn't he bother to respond I tried to ask what he meant? < 1239744873 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-WHY AREN'T YOU DEDICATING YOUR LIFE TO CHECKING & RESPONDING TO THIS MINOR BUG REPORT FOR A PACKAGE FOR A MINOR LINUX DISTRO < 1239744874 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-;____________; < 1239745104 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-http://www.glines.org/wiki/evfunge well, am i first to find this one? < 1239745120 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-12:45:26 ais523, can you contact Claudio and explain why *direct link to tarball* is needed, since he now added an offending text at the top of http://intercal.freeshell.org/download/ about that < 1239745135 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-the text is offensive in and of itself; not its interpretation. < 1239745138 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-impressive < 1239745149 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-7-242.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1239745178 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+anyway, let's wait for AnMaster to come back and talk < 1239745190 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+the problem seems to be that CLC-INTERCAL is doing something unexpected < 1239745197 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+which, as an INTERCAL interp, is nothing new < 1239745202 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: but this is the only time I can insult him without dedicating an hour or two of my day arguing with him < 1239745209 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-also, this was in oct 2008 :P < 1239745211 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster tries to find a workaround, CLC explains that the workaround doesn't work < 1239745225 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+AnMaster explains it's the only workaround possible < 1239745288 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-12:54:36 ais523: make an ar which contains ars which are named according to directory < 1239745288 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-12:54:44 so foo/bar/baz becomes foo.a -> bar.a -> baz.a -> files < 1239745291 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I wholeheartedly support. < 1239745322 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Hmm, you're reading somewhat old logs? < 1239745332 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant: Yes. < 1239745335 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-That is a thing I do often. < 1239745348 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-They're quite thoroughly amusing, you know. < 1239745355 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+pax is better, IMO < 1239745361 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+for this purpose < 1239745471 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries a delightfully obscure DVCS < 1239745474 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i love 'em all < 1239745611 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Deewiant, have you heard of evfunge (URL pasted above)? i wonder that it was seen in this channel. < 1239745623 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-relink>? < 1239745630 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-s/>\?$/?/ < 1239745635 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-http://www.glines.org/wiki/evfunge < 1239745648 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Evfunge is a combination of an evolutionary algorithm, a board-game engine, and a sandboxed Befunge execution environment < 1239745655 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Already like it I do. < 1239745655 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I seem to recall the phrase "Fix it to run 4-dimensional Funge code, not 2-dimensional " < 1239745658 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-he seems to use Language::Befunge. < 1239745660 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+So I think I have seen it < 1239745665 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+lifthrasiir: He contributes to Language::Befunge < 1239745675 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oh < 1239745677 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-7-242.telkomadsl.co.za QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1239745690 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I've been on the mailing list for it since January 2008 and I've seen more patches from him than Jerome :-P < 1239745699 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-:p < 1239745706 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Although s/patches/posts/ < 1239745714 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Jerome doesn't put patches on the list, of course >_< < 1239745789 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i searched for certain commands which follows after <> ^v hl (i.e. flow-changing commands for 4th dimension) and found it < 1239745815 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-too bad that there is no source code... that's interesting concept itself :p < 1239745850 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at evfunge < 1239745878 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-for flow-changing commands, of course i know i can change delta directly but if anyone implemented such fingerprint at first it could be convenient. < 1239745894 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Thinking of supporting arbitrary dimensions? < 1239745901 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yeah, < 1239745939 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and what delimiter should be used for separating 4th dimension and more, like newline and formfeed ;) < 1239745985 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-^L^L < 1239746018 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-\^L^N=switch_dimension(N,+1) < 1239746116 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ehird: then it won't be compliant to spec. < 1239746128 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-meh < 1239746134 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+There is no spec? < 1239746137 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-anyway formfeed should not be used for that < 1239746163 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-^L is used for 3d, lifthrasiir < 1239746167 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-so why not Nd < 1239746189 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i mean that 4th dimension needs another delimiter and not ^L < 1239746211 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ehird: What if you want to have a blank plane < 1239746236 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-True. < 1239746239 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-^K. < 1239746240 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+You could do ^L ^L, of course, but it does contradict the original spec to treat ^L^L differently < 1239746242 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-^K^K^K < 1239746294 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-using shift-in and shift-out for rotating Funge space (while writing to it)? < 1239746367 0 :oklopol!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-so i decide to get my external hd so i can backup my laptop's stuff < 1239746372 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII has control code ^Y for "end of medium"; that's such an awesome name that it should have an associated strange-topology Fungoid meaning. < 1239746383 0 :oklopol!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and just as i'm about to do that it crashes and won't start anymore. < 1239746402 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-end of ... PSYCHIC MEDIUM < 1239746408 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-oklopol? Backing up? < 1239746409 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Dude. < 1239746439 0 :oklopol!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i only decided to back it up because the hd already broke once, but started working again.. < 1239746448 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fizzie: that should be used for multiverse funges. < 1239746579 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+(Logged in as NotLoggedIn) < 1239746590 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: yar < 1239746606 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-that sw looks like... < 1239746609 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-that perl wiki software < 1239746611 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-starts with a k < 1239746617 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+kwiki < 1239746618 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-due to palm tree < 1239746621 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+obviously, it says in the title bar < 1239746624 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ah. < 1239746625 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-:D < 1239746649 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+also, evolutionarily creating Befunge programs is pretty amazing < 1239746655 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I'd like to see the source of the resulting programs < 1239746666 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-better for 93 < 1239746669 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-since you have constraints < 1239746672 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-93 + limit on ticks < 1239746674 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-would be the easiest < 1239746677 0 :oklopol!n=ville@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i was almost expecting for more comments, i mean that was kind of a weird coincidence imo :P < 1239746687 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f30d48dba120a7fd JOIN :#esoteric < 1239746689 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+beh, I can't even see who wrote that < 1239746694 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+because the recent changes is time-limited < 1239746697 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f30d48dba120a7fd PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: what does "Setting .5 to #2/#3 instead of #1/#2" mean? < 1239746701 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: most old ones are < 1239746704 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-but < 1239746705 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+yes < 1239746707 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-it's a wiki for one person < 1239746712 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-so I'm gonna go out and guess HIM < 1239746718 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ah < 1239746718 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f30d48dba120a7fd PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ehird: what wiki? < 1239746723 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :->.< < 1239746780 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Sgeo[College]: I've had to explain this several times; check logs, or just read through and try to understand some old INTERCAL-72 programs that do flow control < 1239746819 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f30d48dba120a7fd PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Any links to revelent logs available? < 1239746828 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+not offhand < 1239746831 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+sorry, I'm rather tired atm... < 1239746840 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-14:07:03 basically, the IACC compiler is written in IACC and compiles IACC to ICBM. < 1239746840 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-14:07:17 The other compilers compile CLC-INTERCAL, and other related languages, to ICBM, and are written in IACC. < 1239746842 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-BUT OF COURSE. < 1239746861 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it's not all that complicated once you get used to it < 1239746872 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and the ICBM interpreter is written in Perl < 1239746878 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+because the whole thing has to run somehow < 1239746885 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Sgeo[College]: < 1239746886 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr PRIVMSG #esoteric :-04:32:04 < ais523> The issue is that in INTERCAL-72, branching is accomplished by RETURNing a non-constant amount; #1/#2 means you save one NEXT slot, but #2/#3 is easier to calculate < 1239746888 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f30d48dba120a7fd PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Maybe I should try learning INTERCAL before trying to understand < 1239746913 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it's a pretty obvious problem if you've ever tried to do any sort of branch in INTERCAL-72 < 1239746918 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+personally, I think #1/#2 ftw < 1239746928 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it's not like you can't do the necessary transformation with two operators < 1239746942 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+which is likely much smaller than the rest of your expression < 1239746957 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and #2/#3 requires one of them anyway < 1239746969 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-→ < 1239746974 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+as an added advantage, you can do #1/#2 in the same number of operators as #2/#1, so it's easy to reverse your test < 1239746991 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f30d48dba120a7fd PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I don't even know what #1 or #2 or / means < 1239747002 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+/ means "or" in this context < 1239747013 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-115-065.ewe-ip-backbone.de QUIT :"..." < 1239747026 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+as in, do you use #1 and #2 as your TRUE and FALSE in booleans, or do you use #2 and #3? < 1239747057 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f30d48dba120a7fd PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Ah < 1239747058 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+also, http://envbot.kuonet.org/~ais523/c-intercal/_darcs/pristine/doc/ick.txt is a good resource to learn INTERCAL from < 1239747063 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+as is the original manual < 1239747070 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+which has more code examples but less reference material < 1239747075 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f30d48dba120a7fd PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Is http://divingintointercal.blogspot.com/2007/03/good-programmer-constantly-strives-to.html any good? < 1239747081 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+yes, but it doesn't get very far < 1239747089 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+the author gave up pretty early on < 1239747102 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+so you'll get a good introduction to about 2 features < 1239747104 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+then it ends < 1239747107 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f30d48dba120a7fd PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Ah < 1239747124 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f30d48dba120a7fd PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Can't hurt, can it? < 1239747147 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+not really, I don't think there's any serious misinformation there < 1239747155 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+the programs might be slightly inefficient and look outdated < 1239747175 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+"As a programming language, INTERCAL remains every bit as useful as it was over thirty years ago." < 1239747205 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+the author of that thing also didn't find any interps newer than 0.24 < 1239747209 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f30d48dba120a7fd PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Hm, what happens if you have a 3 line INTERCAL program? Is it unwritable due to politeness/rudeness issues? < 1239747222 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Sgeo[College]: 2 lines or shorter is immune to politeness issues < 1239747230 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f30d48dba120a7fd PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Ah < 1239747236 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+with 3 lines, 1/3 is considered a suitably good approximation to 1/4 to be allowed < 1239747242 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+although 2/3 and 0 aren't < 1239747258 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+you don't have to get it exactly right, just "about 1/4" < 1239747273 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f30d48dba120a7fd PRIVMSG #esoteric :-The page states "Between 1/3 and 1/5" < 1239747280 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+that's inclusive < 1239747284 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1/3 and 1/5 are both allowed, IIRC < 1239747375 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+there's a loop in part 3 which uses #1 and #2 as booleans < 1239747381 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+but just requires the user to enter them by hand < 1239747392 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+he gave up trying to actually do calculations to lead to those values < 1239747440 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+also, using .1 as the branch variable is incredibly unidiomatic < 1239747455 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+.5 is much more common < 1239747478 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and there's a well known undocumented feature of the standard library which gives you a line saying PLEASE RESUME .5 you can NEXT to < 1239747496 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+so well-known, in fact, that I had to implement it in my alternative standard library so as not to break lots of existing programs < 1239747538 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f30d48dba120a7fd PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Is the " < 1239747562 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f30d48dba120a7fd PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Is the "random compiler bug" a bug or a feature or is the tutorial wrong? < 1239747569 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+it's well known < 1239747571 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+and probably a feature < 1239747587 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+The only difference between a bug and a feature is documentation :P < 1239747593 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+GregorR: it's documented! < 1239747600 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+FEATURE! < 1239747600 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+the compiler sometimes fails on valid programs < 1239747607 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+for C-INTERCAL, it's a 10% chance < 1239747617 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+there's a command-line option to turn the random bug off, if you don't feel like chancing it < 1239747622 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+lol < 1239747629 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+(also, the compiler appears to work, but random-bug causes the resulting program to be invalid) < 1239747644 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+*resulting executable to be incorrect < 1239747646 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+I wish I could identify the accent of the seagoat in Charlie the Unicorn 3 :P < 1239747733 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239747747 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f30d48dba120a7fd PRIVMSG #esoteric :-"The bad news is that the previous sentence is the only good news." < 1239747865 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+what was the previous sentence? < 1239747893 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+The good news is that the next sentence is the only bad news. The bad news is that the previous sentence is the only good news. < 1239747893 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f30d48dba120a7fd PRIVMSG #esoteric :-"The good news is that the input tape and output tape (and their corresponding heads) are independent, which is much simpler than if they were connected." < 1239747912 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f30d48dba120a7fd PRIVMSG #esoteric :-lol GregorR < 1239747962 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ah < 1239747967 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+in that case, there's more good news < 1239747980 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+the other good news is that that isn't /CLC-INTERCAL/'s I/O system < 1239747986 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+which is different, and much worse < 1239748013 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d294e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f30d48dba120a7fd PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ais523: do comments count towards politeness/rudeness? < 1239748022 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Sgeo[College]: yes, comments are just another sort of command < 1239748024 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+that errors when run < 1239748028 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+but is marked not to run by default < 1239748584 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1239748729 0 :MizardX-!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1239748731 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1239748743 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-http://cdn.fastclick.net/fastclick.net/cid172172/media323648.gif < 1239748744 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-WUT < 1239748754 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-links to http://www.marylifeblog.com/index.php?sub=vccpafdd XD < 1239748762 0 :MizardX-!?@? NICK :MizardX < 1239748962 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-"How can you go wrong with a company that is publicly traded on the stock market." < 1239748964 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Hahahahahahahah < 1239749043 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+SCO? < 1239749070 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+you cannot, as long as the company is well-typed < 1239749243 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-heh, < 1239749247 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-that guy who wrote that intercal tutorial < 1239749252 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-made his own emacs clone < 1239749423 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Many commands require you to supply 40-character sha1 values as arguments, which identify revisions. These “revision IDs” are tedious to type, so monotone permits you to supply “revision selectors” rather than complete revision IDs. Selectors are a more “human friendly” way of specifying revisions by combining certificate values into unique identifiers. This “selector” mechanism can be used anywhere a revision ID would normally be used. F < 1239749425 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-or details on selector syntax, see Selectors. < 1239749427 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Oh lord. < 1239749443 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+is that from his emacs clone? < 1239749448 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-No. < 1239749451 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+oh, no, from the version control system < 1239749455 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Yes. < 1239749471 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-http://www.monotone.ca/docs/Creating-a-Database.html#Creating-a-Database < 1239749474 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Wow. < 1239749477 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-It's *just like arch* < 1239749518 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+maybe this is why CVS was considered a good VCS when it first came out < 1239749523 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-For branch names, select any name you like but prefix it with the “inverted domain name” of a DNS domain you control or are otherwise authorized to use. This behavior mimics the package naming convention in the java programming language. For example, monotone itself is developed within the net.venge.monotone branch, because the author owns the DNS domain venge.net. < 1239749527 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Oh god -- Java. < 1239749545 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+lots of projects use inverted domain name trees < 1239749550 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I know < 1239749555 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-they're awful < 1239749559 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Java, openoffice, odf, Gnome config < 1239749594 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Of which the first three are from Sun Microsystems :-P < 1239749596 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+one of the core root things of the internet too, but I can't remember if it's dns or whois or something else < 1239749607 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Deewiant: lots of people were involved with odf, but point taken < 1239749613 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :+that might have been one of Sun's bits < 1239749726 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.163.3.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net QUIT :"leaving" < 1239749861 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1239750244 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-grah < 1239750247 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and I was just about to ask him < 1239750337 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-15:11:03 what is this operator < 1239750338 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-15:11:09 (x<<1)~x < 1239750339 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-15:11:29 1010 = 1011 < 1239750340 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-15:11:30 tusho: for each 1, it looks to see if there's a 1 to its left < 1239750344 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I love how easy it is to invent operations < 1239750438 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-143-134.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :"PEW PEW"