< 1240012802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240013029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<<[.<<]!INTERCAL < 1240013029 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITRALCEN < 1240013052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^bf >>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<<[.<<]!an green butt! < 1240013059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't like me./ < 1240013060 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<<[.<<]!INTERCA < 1240013060 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITRACEN < 1240013062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\/$// < 1240013075 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<<[.<<]!INTERCALS < 1240013076 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITRASLCEN < 1240013140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^bf >>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<<[.<<]!ANBUTTACULARINTERCAL < 1240013160 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird < 1240013175 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: why are you ignoring ehird? < 1240013177 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: to use the fnord engine has trouble with non-local tco, particularly in scheme, besides academic or learning porposes? < 1240013186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!oh < 1240013186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1240013186 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1240013196 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: initial space < 1240013209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240013211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<<[.<<]!ANBUTTACULARINTERCAL < 1240013211 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABTAUAITRALCENRLCTUN < 1240013217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<<[.<<]!an green butt! < 1240013217 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a re ut!tbnegn < 1240013226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that obfuscation method < 1240013237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def srmlebac bf >>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<<[.<<] < 1240013238 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1240013251 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac Testing, ho! < 1240013251 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tsig o!h,nte < 1240013287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Write a decoder? < 1240013292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac Tsig o!h,nte < 1240013292 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ti !,tenhogs < 1240013298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac Ti !,tenhogs < 1240013298 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T ,ehgsont!i < 1240013299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coming up < 1240013303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac T ,ehgsont!i < 1240013303 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T,hsn!itoge < 1240013329 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save < 1240013329 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1240013331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a permutation so it must have a period... < 1240013348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^save? < 1240013357 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It saves the user-defined commands. < 1240013360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: length of message? < 1240013372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac abc < 1240013372 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acb < 1240013374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac acb < 1240013374 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc < 1240013378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minus one. < 1240013380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac abcd < 1240013380 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acdb < 1240013382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac acdb < 1240013382 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adbc < 1240013384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac adbc < 1240013384 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcd < 1240013386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1240013388 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily, maybe in this case < 1240013388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :len(msg)-1 < 1240013392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in two case. < 1240013394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cases < 1240013397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac abcde < 1240013398 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acedb < 1240013399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac acedb < 1240013400 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aebdc < 1240013402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac aebdc < 1240013402 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcde < 1240013407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1240013414 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a factor of length factorial < 1240013419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hahaha. Brilliant < 1240013431 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac aebdc < 1240013431 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcde < 1240013435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's just basic group theory < 1240013449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. But it's nice. < 1240013458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac srmlebac < 1240013458 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smeacblr < 1240013461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac smeacblr < 1240013461 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seclrbam < 1240013464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac seclrbam < 1240013464 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scramble < 1240013473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's most often two, I guess. < 1240013481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for short strings < 1240013502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac abcd < 1240013502 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acdb < 1240013538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac Whathogoodsir < 1240013538 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wahgosridooth < 1240013541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac Wahgosridooth < 1240013542 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whordohtoisga < 1240013546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac Whordohtoisga < 1240013546 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wodhosagitorh < 1240013549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac Wodhosagitorh < 1240013549 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wdoaiohrtgsho < 1240013552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac Wdoaiohrtgsho < 1240013552 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woihtsohgroad < 1240013555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac Woihtsohgroad < 1240013555 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Witogodarhsho < 1240013557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac Witogodarhsho < 1240013558 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wtgdrsohhaooi < 1240013560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac Wtgdrsohhaooi < 1240013560 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wgrohoioahsdt < 1240013563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac Wgrohoioahsdt < 1240013563 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrhiastdhooog < 1240013565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac Wrhiastdhooog < 1240013566 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whathogoodsir < 1240013567 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[>,]<[<]>[.[-]>[>]<[.[-]<[<]]>]!ITRALCEN < 1240013568 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL < 1240013573 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 for even? < 1240013577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 9, in this case < 1240013598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac abcdefghijklmnopqrst < 1240013598 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acegikmoqstrpnljhfdb < 1240013601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac acegikmoqstrpnljhfdb < 1240013601 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aeimqtplhdbfjnrsokgc < 1240013603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac aeimqtplhdbfjnrsokgc < 1240013604 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiqphbjrogcksnfdltme < 1240013605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no. < 1240013612 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[>,]<[<]>[.[-]>[>]<[.[-]<[<]]>]!ITRACEN < 1240013613 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCA < 1240013615 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. < 1240013625 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >,[>,]<[<]>[.[-]>[>]<[.[-]<[<]]>]!ITRASLCEN < 1240013625 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCALS < 1240013630 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to work < 1240013643 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ^def it. < 1240013647 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def uenlsbcmra bf >,[>,]<[<]>[.[-]>[>]<[.[-]<[<]]>] < 1240013647 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1240013658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^uenlsbcmra an big butt lmao! < 1240013658 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a!no abmilg tbtu < 1240013665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble an big butt lmao! < 1240013673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1240013674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1240013677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac an big butt lmao! < 1240013677 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a i utla!om tbgbn < 1240013687 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save < 1240013687 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1240013687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^uenlsbcmra uenlsbcmra < 1240013688 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uaernmlcsb < 1240013691 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240013692 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't ge it < 1240013694 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*get it < 1240013704 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac uenlsbcmra < 1240013705 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unscramble < 1240013713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1240013723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1240013723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240013724 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^uenlsbcmra srmlebac < 1240013725 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scramble < 1240013748 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i just reversed both algorithms in my head. < 1240013777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the cycle oerjan < 1240013824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cycle-oerjan. < 1240013833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably length dependent, and only that < 1240013838 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*obviously < 1240013842 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For those who have trouble running it mentally, I also added ^scramble-^unscramble aliases. < 1240013854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: spoilsport :D < 1240013854 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no < 1240013858 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not really; for "aaaaa" it is always 1. < 1240013871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what fizzie said but without explaining, just saying. < 1240013871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1240013878 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble spoilsport < 1240013878 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solprtosip < 1240013884 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a solprtosip! < 1240013919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but assuming obfuscating x1x2x3..xn, please calculate cycle length because i need to know it < 1240013968 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by that i meant xi as in character number i, not a variable) < 1240013998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it goes to x1x3x5...x4x2 < 1240014121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just manually test for strings 1, 12, 123, 1234, 12345, 123456, 1234567 and then feed those numbers to the On-Line Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences. < 1240014128 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I always do. :p < 1240014134 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh brilliant < 1240014147 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1240014172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just about to suggest that < 1240014185 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ended up not remembering what the encyclopedia was called < 1240014203 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it's very unintuitive < 1240014232 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1240014243 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only ever remember that it's the first Google-hit for "integer sequence". < 1240014267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i always remember its abbreviation is OEM. < 1240014450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abbbbbb < 1240014450 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abbbbbb < 1240014455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240014457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAT :D < 1240014460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1240014460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc < 1240014465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble babbbbb < 1240014465 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbbbbba < 1240014468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble bbbbbba < 1240014468 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbbabbb < 1240014471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble bbbabbb < 1240014471 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbbbbab < 1240014474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble bbbbbab < 1240014474 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbbbabb < 1240014482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a nice pseudorandom number generator. :P < 1240014483 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1240014488 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo < 1240014492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. hi coppro! < 1240014497 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1240014538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :We could do with a useful topic | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1240014545 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even realize you came on here... you aren't in ##nomic < 1240014565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :##nomic grew out of #ircnomic, which I co-founded, actually. < 1240014578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have op-related disagreements. < 1240014601 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, seems to be http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A003558 < 1240014604 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there some command to find the topic of a channel without actually being in it? < 1240014604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was birthed out of this place; it's actually what got me and ais523 to join Agora.) < 1240014612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: TOPIC #chan? < 1240014625 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, good, it's just my client then < 1240014676 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /list #chan is why i use, hm is that the same... < 1240014682 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what < 1240014743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a bit more information < 1240014771 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :#rootnomic < 1240014778 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1240014780 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1240014787 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :We could do with a useful topic | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1240014813 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh interesting, /topic gives a slightly different result depending on whether the channel is non-public or non-existent, while /list doesn't distinguish < 1240014873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(checked with #irp) < 1240014900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting: TPB's sentence seems to be having a bit of backlash. < 1240014904 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1240014908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piratbyran has gained 5,000 members. < 1240014910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today. < 1240014921 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo last I heard it was at 3000 < 1240014935 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was 3,000 and counting. < 1240014940 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any language development take place here? < 1240014949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite often. < 1240014953 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1240014959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly we just mess with fungot. < 1240014959 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: look at how erlang implements it, given that with it. < 1240014970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: he's written in befunge-98: http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt < 1240014970 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: am i funny to you? < 1240014975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: very. < 1240014975 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: everytime i read through the presentation, or was it 1024 and 2048 even. sounds interesting, too.) < 1240014986 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1240014990 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird and GregorR were just discussing plof, which is admittedly not esoteric, though it is homebrewed < 1240014999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, that's all gone to #plof atm. < 1240015002 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We moved to #plof. < 1240015007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also, it's quite esoteric... < 1240015019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially the implementation details. < 1240015028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's merely little-known and vaguely odd. < 1240015035 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang would be esoteric if it weren't for the radical threading model < 1240015044 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike esolangs, it's meant for most people to be able to use. ;) < 1240015046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ... which makes it not esoteric? < 1240015049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I follow :D < 1240015069 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, look at the thing. < 1240015072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: There's nothing stopping you replacing all the syntax with BF. < 1240015073 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 statement terminators! < 1240015081 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the encyclopedia description of that sequence seems to have nothing to do with permutations, though < 1240015083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Eh, not that much more than Prolog. < 1240015091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing stopping you from making Plof into a Tcl implementation, either. < 1240015093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang basically ripped Prolog's syntax. < 1240015096 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is prolog that bad too? < 1240015129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty much identical, but not quite as symbol-heavy. < 1240015133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO, Prolog is prettier than Erlang. < 1240015139 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, erlang is ugly < 1240015149 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang is awesome. < 1240015149 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only other language for the VM is Reia, which I don't like for other reasons :( < 1240015165 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never disagreed! < 1240015170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Haskell has an Erlang bridge, I think. < 1240015175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That lets you write and interact with nodes in Haskell. < 1240015178 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When Plof is set up well enough, I might make a Tcl implementation in it. < 1240015188 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's different from running on the VM < 1240015193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: By actually turning Plof into it? How Forth :-P < 1240015205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Well, what's so hot about the VM apart from the threading? < 1240015205 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Egg-zactly! :P < 1240015205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Plof is a language that demands it. < 1240015209 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... As is Tcl. < 1240015211 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the threading! < 1240015220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: You can use the threading from Haskell, then. :-P < 1240015227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the bridge < 1240015229 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell has a threading model? ;) < 1240015230 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you will recall, I wrote PEBBLE by making Tcl into PEBBLE. ;) < 1240015237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I meant erlang threading < 1240015242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka processes < 1240015244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka nodes < 1240015252 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i guess it would be explained if the scrambling in some way _is_ multiplication by 2 (mod 2n+1), which sounds a bit likely < 1240015254 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds worse than just using Erlang < 1240015275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Adding Haskell to something makes it worse? < 1240015294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you've just made an amazing scientific discovery. I didn't previously consider that possible ;-) < 1240015306 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but trying to deal with it through a bridge sounds worse < 1240015324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, kay < 1240015432 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEAM also has single assignment! < 1240015452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so there's something really awesome going on in here? < 1240015457 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240015457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac 0123456789 < 1240015457 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0246897531 < 1240015473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2468! < 1240015476 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first part looks like multiplication by 2, the rest - not so much < 1240015481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 7 5 3 < 1240015482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 5 7 < 1240015489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1240015491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very useful. < 1240015494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1240015499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 3 5 7. Odd numbers ascending. < 1240015501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backwards. < 1240015504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh. Descending. < 1240015511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 3 5 7 9 < 1240015515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 2 4 6 8 < 1240015533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So scrambling sorts it into even and odd sets. < 1240015536 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the +- 1 part of the sequence definition enters into that somehow < 1240015543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble 123456789 < 1240015544 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :135798642 < 1240015549 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's kinda obvious :P < 1240015552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13579 < 1240015553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2468 < 1240015561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not to oerjan, see "not so much" < 1240015618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well. if that partitioning should show why it's multiplication by 2, then i guess i don't understand either. < 1240015631 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what oklopol said < 1240015648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well shush < 1240015650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm right okay. < 1240015652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although point: it's multiplication mod 2*n+1, not mod n < 1240015655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would you really say the "well" part tho? < 1240015670 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i might. < 1240015676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1240015696 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear... < 1240015702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... < 1240015719 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the 9 and stuff somehow negative numbers err.... < 1240015723 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had such a bad thought that I'm almost certainly going to have to implement it... < 1240015724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean... < 1240015733 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh i mean nothing. < 1240015798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you prove it's that by induction? < 1240015818 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that i mean would you do that, i don't want to, i just want results :P < 1240015846 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1240015852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it mod 2n+1 you would pad with some extra positions, around the original ones < 1240016078 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble 012345678 < 1240016079 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :024687531 < 1240016089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble 9876543210 < 1240016089 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9753102468 < 1240016101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, that one wraps. < 1240016105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no. < 1240016131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble 012345678 < 1240016132 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :081726354 < 1240016227 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble aaaaaaaa < 1240016228 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaa < 1240016235 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, it doesn't work < 1240016246 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats lament -----###
< 1240016262 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: the a's are scrambled correctly on my screen. < 1240016275 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what order are they in on yours? < 1240016298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble bbbabbb < 1240016298 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbbbbab < 1240016303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble bbbbbab < 1240016303 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbbbabb < 1240016307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble bbbbabb < 1240016307 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbabbbb < 1240016311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble bbabbbb < 1240016311 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :babbbbb < 1240016316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble babbbbb < 1240016316 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbbbbba < 1240016866 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abcdefgh < 1240016866 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aceghfdb < 1240016873 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble 01234567 < 1240016873 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02467531 < 1240016903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble the and < 1240016903 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teadn h < 1240016917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Challenge: Make scrambles that result in coherent english both ways. < 1240016954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble the < 1240016954 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teh < 1240017024 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble 12345678 < 1240017024 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13578642 < 1240017085 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So (1)(2358)(47)(6) for 8 elements, cycle length 4. < 1240017090 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble 1234567890 < 1240017090 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1357908642 < 1240017164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A003558 although that may just be more confusing :D < 1240017183 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So (1)(235947860) for 10 elements, cycle length 9. < 1240017198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. < 1240017236 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does look a bit like multiplication tho < 1240017396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I love my scramble algo < 1240017397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so elegant! < 1240017399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1240017458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours? < 1240017507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I started it off < 1240017508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITRALCEN < 1240017510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember? < 1240017515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented it a year ago though < 1240017524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were quoting ais523 < 1240017526 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240017530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope :P < 1240017604 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble 1234 < 1240017605 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1342 < 1240017697 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble 123 < 1240017697 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :132 < 1240017705 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble 1234 < 1240017705 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1342 < 1240017706 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240017718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble blow < 1240017719 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bowl < 1240017777 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble 12345 < 1240017777 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13542 < 1240017965 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I for one welcome our new robot overlord. < 1240018942 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is BF able to distinguish EOF from a zero byte? < 1240018966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the implementation. < 1240019024 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't EOF a zero byte? < 1240019046 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240019053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are at least three different conventions < 1240019075 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) EOF = 0 (2) EOF = -1 (3) EOF = no change < 1240019096 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immediate quit is not an option? < 1240019097 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bigger problem with my situation: If the entire place requires adult verification, how will unverified people be able to buy my product in-world? < 1240019108 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iano: not a good oen < 1240019128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iano: that makes things such as reversing input impossible < 1240019143 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, fixing my interpreter... < 1240019186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Brainfuck#EOF < 1240019446 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably cheating if I ask what esolang has +| and space as possible characters? < 1240019481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean only those? < 1240019488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Adult verification? What, exactly, are you making in SL? < 1240019497 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, something that's not adult at all < 1240019507 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my stall is near a store that is < 1240019523 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7457/nakedstall001.png my stall is on the right (NSFWishO) < 1240019652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeeze, man... I've got dialup. Could you make it any bigger? :p < 1240019661 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iano: or use 16 bit brainfuck < 1240019677 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrrrrgh my mouse is out of batteries < 1240019690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: try with cheese < 1240019916 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1240020593 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a ^see to list a ^def? < 1240020599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1240020600 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble < 1240020608 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1240020633 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show scramble < 1240020633 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2] < 1240020657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot uses run-length encoding < 1240020657 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240020658 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but it works.... any way to delete a value of type a can be any number... < 1240020672 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, wondering about those "2" s < 1240020746 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange that it doesn't use it for all the >>'s < 1240020747 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show unscramble < 1240020747 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[.[-]>[>]<[.[-]<[<]]>] < 1240021267 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1240021442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I invented it a year ago though <<< i've seen that "encryption" method tonswhere, not that it changes the fact you may have invented it, just wanted to use that term. < 1240021568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Jeeze, man... I've got dialup. Could you make it any bigger? :p <<< what's dialup? something cavemen used for clubbing dinosaurs? < 1240021590 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What "encryption" method? < 1240021607 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Seog < 1240021658 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, got some batteries < 1240021678 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how uncheesy < 1240021716 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for a response from the landlord about the adult thing
< 1240021723 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Argh, the pain!" < 1240021773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also would be nice to have a more sophisticated referring-to-specific-messages method than copypasting them :) < 1240021784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not. < 1240021806 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://swfchan.com/7/32012/?56k_modem.swf < 1240021813 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1240022373 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1240026198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1240030326 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. I wonder if something like Dasher for context-free grammars would be interesting/useful < 1240030368 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mimicking leftmost derivation to produce syntactically correct programs by following your mouse < 1240030434 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0,2528,129312,89888,86016,86016,4064,2080,2336,125216,77568,73984,123136,0,0,0 < 1240030455 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop reminding me of how much Flash sucks on Linux :( < 1240030471 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lab.andre-michelle.com/tonematrix < 1240030500 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash sucks on * < 1240030502 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.167.0.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240030520 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, update-to-10 woes < 1240030557 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1240030559 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'woes' being an understatement for the sadistically tortuous and ultimately fruitless exercise < 1240030561 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1240030576 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, I suppose, masochistic, given that I was enough of a fool to try it in the first place < 1240034951 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1240035021 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1240035456 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :SendQ exceeded < 1240035620 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1240036662 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1240038016 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@67.223.225.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240038516 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :SendQ exceeded < 1240038905 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@67.223.225.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240039579 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT 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1240062461 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1240063816 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@67.223.225.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240064579 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-18.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1240064811 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1240065088 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-120-201.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1240066214 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@67.223.225.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240066544 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1240067058 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1240068083 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1240069527 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1240069895 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :SendQ exceeded < 1240070027 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1240070029 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is unique. < 1240070060 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1240070096 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Y'know, for the last 11 hours or so, the only messages in #esoteric are you quitting and logging in (OK, a few log-ins and log-outs from other people) < 1240070172 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ignored those particular comings and goings about 7 hours ago < 1240070507 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1240070571 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1240070674 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1240070736 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1240070847 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1240071478 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1240073367 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240073380 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1240073438 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240073451 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1240073805 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1240075318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, hah < 1240075909 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1240076107 0 :jix!n=jix@f053157237.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1240076907 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240077331 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1240078072 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phase 1: compelte < 1240078076 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*complete < 1240078245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, of what? < 1240078253 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my seccret project < 1240078262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhu < 1240078266 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should make it let me sepll better < 1240078276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1240078288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it is secret why are you talking about it here... < 1240078368 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it will be revealed here < 1240078770 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@dialup-4.88.161.29.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240079244 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some idiots outside my apartment are playing "toss the beanbag into a fucking wooden block", which seems to be a popular game amongst drunken frat morons, while also playing shitty music, so I'm employing some COUNTER-ELGAR < 1240079256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counter-Elgar? < 1240079267 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, pray tell, does this entail? < 1240079269 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elgar played loud enough to drown out their shit. < 1240079277 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the track just changed, so now it's counter-Holst. < 1240079308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1240079354 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Follow up with, say, counter-Pink Floyd. Give them the joy that only progressive rock can give. :p < 1240079364 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm gonna go with no. < 1240079412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a fan < 1240079413 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1240079463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's elgar? < 1240079627 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elgar is a composer. < 1240079634 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A composer whose wildly underrated, unfortunately. < 1240079636 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, was :P < 1240079644 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "who's" X_X < 1240079672 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His music causes you to forget how to use verb tenses and homonyms. < 1240079856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just didn't know it was a human's name even though i think i actually do know him if he's classical < 1240079873 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't realize you were that kinda dude although i should've < 1240079875 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240079880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right you corrected youself. < 1240080042 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, aside from the fact that he's Romantic era and collapsing all music more than 109 years old into the group "classical" is silly, yes. < 1240080078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i thought i should probably correct that because i'd get some gay comment like that if he wasn't actually classical < 1240080092 0 :schlangen1!n=schlange@p57BD5915.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240080093 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1240080093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i realized that matterd not < 1240080095 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*e < 1240080118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiding the fact i don't know shit about non-modern genres either wouldn't change the fact i don't < 1240080135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you listen to less-than-recent music. < 1240080198 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"less-than-recent" X-D < 1240080212 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I listen exclusively to 80s music X-P < 1240080246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the decade I almost completely skip over! < 1240080251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Elgar played loud enough to drown out their shit. <-- :D < 1240080428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, hm, wouldn't Beethoven work better than Elgar in this case? Lets say his no.5 :D < 1240080442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first movment < 1240080446 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just shuffling my playlist *shrugs* < 1240080465 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240080480 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Music from 109 years and older is music that I enjoy when I hear it, but I don't have any of it, so I don't know much about it... < 1240080481 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on Beethoven's symphony 4 now, which also isn't /hugely/ suited to the purpose of drowning out their garbage. < 1240080491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, so what do you listen to when it comes to what is popularly called "classical" (of course it is the wrong word, but I don't know any better either) < 1240080503 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And therefore, I end up not knowing where to start. < 1240080540 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: My favorite is the 19th century Russian composers, e.g. Borodin, Rimsky-Korsakov, Balakirev, etc. < 1240080544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, personally I rather like the actually classical music. Mozart, Haydn, Kraus and so on < 1240080567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, hm... haven't listened much to them. < 1240080592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the names do ring bells though. < 1240080616 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go find Borodin's Nocturne ... argh, right now I don't remember exactly which nocturne it is, one sec. < 1240080633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, Borodin... Hm some opera "Furst "? < 1240080637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that someone else < 1240080644 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, nocturne from string quartet #2 < 1240080651 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't ring a bell ... < 1240080654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1240080692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it is the Swedish name for it... < 1240080704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Prince Igor" in English < 1240080708 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, that's him. < 1240080709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Igor < 1240080730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, ever listened to Kraus? < 1240080734 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Князь Игорь :D < 1240080744 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I don't own anything by him. < 1240080745 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Doesn't ring a bell ... <<< with classical music, there's probably some way to make that a pun < 1240080759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can highly recommend Kraus' Sinfonia in C sharp minor. (VB 140 iirc) < 1240080832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, Especially the fourth movement in it. Somehow reminds me of the last movement in Vivaldi's Summer. < 1240080835 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OK, you listen to Borodin's nocturne and I'll listen to that :P < 1240080872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, I'll see if I can find it somewhere. I think I have a CD with mixed Russian composers. Let me check if it is on there. brb < 1240080889 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSdMKJqnnW4 <-- I believe this is it < 1240080898 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just searched on youtube, haven't started listening to check :P < 1240080910 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gracenotes: Y'know, for the last 11 hours or so, the only messages in #esoteric are you quitting and logging in (OK, a few log-ins and log-outs from other people) < 1240080915 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, that's it. < 1240080923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Right, nocturne from string quartet #2 < 1240080923 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was starting to wonder if clog was acting up again < 1240080926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which movement? < 1240080934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no whole hours seem missing < 1240080938 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nocturne is a movement :P < 1240080939 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#3 < 1240080951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, then I have it on that cd < 1240080956 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1240080979 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably Borodin's most popular piece, but for good reason. < 1240081024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, as for Kraus' VB 140 (fourth movement: Allegro). I couldn't find it on youtube when I looked some time ago. I do have it on cd < 1240081041 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't X-P < 1240081068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Some idiots outside my apartment are playing "toss the beanbag into a fucking wooden block", which seems to be a popular game amongst drunken frat morons, while also playing shitty music, so I'm employing some COUNTER-ELGAR < 1240081077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles "Land of hope and glory"
< 1240081089 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, that's the only Elgar i know < 1240081107 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, your whistling does not appear to have reached here. < 1240081119 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahah, they left! I win! < 1240081120 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can do little about that < 1240081185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have found it on there. *checks if it is good quality* < 1240081191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i guess toss the nerd isn't popular anymore < 1240081203 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION used to watch the promenade concert, long ago when he actually watched tv
< 1240081213 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: The prerequisite "break into somebody's apartment" isn't so popular < 1240081267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: right, i guess i'm old-fashioned. < 1240081279 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you own a tv? < 1240081288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically, yes < 1240081315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never used to watch tv, but nowadays it's always on in my favorite pizza place :| < 1240081330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240081345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when it's not, there's usually a newspaper, which ofc is even worse < 1240081370 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches TV until pinkish-grey goo starts to melt out of his ears.
< 1240081408 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still reads newspapers at his favorite place too
< 1240081417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, seems http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbhA7NRZTZ0&fmt=18 to contain two variant of it, first Kraus' reworked variant in C minor, followed by the one I prefer: the original in C sharp minor. < 1240081429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do have a tv but it's in the children's corner and only plays dvd movies < 1240081433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is only the last movement in both < 1240081452 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What a weird way to post that, then :P < 1240081456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV? Isn't that the low-resolution monitor with a DVD player hooked up to it that's near the couch? < 1240081459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'd probably prefer the kids' movies. < 1240081461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, yes < 1240081488 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well, there _are_ several children's movies i've only seen on that tv :D < 1240081492 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: probably < 1240081505 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1240081557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, also this is not the best recording I heard. I prefer the one I have on CD (by the Swedish Chamber Orchestra) which feels more "stormy" kind of. < 1240081641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, so what do you think of them? < 1240081655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is listening to that nocturne atm
< 1240081670 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just started listening. Was stupidly plodding around trying to find the start of the second one, but instead I'm just listening through both. < 1240081678 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is most certainly classical music. < 1240081707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, yes, he died one or two years after Mozart did iirc < 1240081747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i just didn't know it was a human's name even though i think i actually do know him if he's classical < 1240081766 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _does_ sound like a good name for a moose, especially to norwegians :) < 1240081793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you never heard of Elgar before!? < 1240081804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian for moose? i think i have a pen that has a picture of a moose and elg under it < 1240081813 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... there are Meese in Norway? < 1240081820 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: <* oerjan whistles "Land of hope and glory" < 1240081825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, no, elks < 1240081835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh ok, didn't see that < 1240081848 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought moose and elk were mostly synonyms < 1240081863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I think they differ in size or? < 1240081877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moose being the larger Canadian ones < 1240081879 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The end of one going into the beginning of the next was a bit jarring there X-D < 1240081881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm mistaken < 1240081896 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The moose (North America) or elk (Europe), Alces alces, is the largest extant species in the deer family. < 1240081899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, there was a pause between them < 1240081914 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah, but not so long that the key change didn't make me go "gwar!" < 1240081921 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had no idea elk and meese were the same. < 1240081931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moose not "meese" < 1240081933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240081940 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but "meese" is so much funnier. < 1240081944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1240081963 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: also, elk in north america is used for a different animal too < 1240081976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :says that wp article < 1240081976 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Confusingly, the word elk in North America refers to the second largest deer species, Cervus canadensis, also known as the wapiti." <-- yeah, that's why < 1240081986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, well what do you think of the second one? As I said, not the best recording I heard, but quite ok. And it is really a lot better experience hearing the entire symphony in the right order. < 1240081988 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz I know of that Elk, and didn't think they were meese. < 1240081994 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they're not. < 1240082016 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I agree that the original was better. < 1240082019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, this nocturne is quite nice. < 1240082020 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Both good though. < 1240082020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sofar the kraus piece sounds like a random collection of trivial etudes < 1240082058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, see what I meant when I said it made me think of the last movement in Vivaldi's summer? < 1240082065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that usually means i need to listen to it a few more times, but i prefer just saying because i like disliking old stuff. < 1240082065 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1240082076 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1240082078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, oh I love Vivaldi's summer too btw :) < 1240082102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" *it" err -> that usually means it need to listen to it a few more times, but it prefer just saying because it like disliking old stuff. < 1240082117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: try again. < 1240082121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240082162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, the original makes sense, none of the changed versions do < 1240082167 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: something's missing an object < 1240082176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"saying it"? < 1240082182 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240082213 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When correcting yourself goes wrong. < 1240082236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you really need to listen to all four movements of VB 140 to get the right experience. < 1240082249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://www.halge.com/ < 1240082252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they build upon each other very nicely < 1240082258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second version is great btw, not that i wouldn't known they :D < 1240082260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'re the same < 1240082260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, thought Hälge was Swedish? < 1240082266 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*would've < 1240082267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1240082286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, fail to parse correction < 1240082302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, pretty sure it is Swedish even < 1240082313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let's try again < 1240082315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, so? < 1240082316 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second version is great < 1240082319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right < 1240082329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't recognize the beginning to be the same as the first one < 1240082331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, thought you implied it was Norwegian < 1240082333 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, he's been translated to norwegian and i've read some in the library < 1240082338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread you < 1240082347 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i did recognize the stuff after that < 1240082425 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedish, Norwegian, 'ts all "European" to me. < 1240082428 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1240082433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and yes it isn't simply transposed, there are some minor other changes < 1240082604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, I liked that nocturne btw, though I prefer music from the classical era. < 1240082648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to figuring out how to select a non GM bank by midi on this keyboard. < 1240082674 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you compose right < 1240082716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no, but I play. < 1240082729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1240082796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I don't have the creative part needed for composing I guess. I wouldn't know where to start. Improvising (which I can do but I'm not very good at) maybe? < 1240082871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err i think when i was a kid i usually took a random chord sequence, and improvised on it until something came out < 1240082880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays i tell my brain to gimme a song < 1240082929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, the reason I was checking this out is that I recently (few days ago) got a new electrical piano. Unlike my old electrical piano, this one is full size and the keys feel much more like a real piano. And the sound is much more realistic too. Downside: way heavier than the old one. < 1240082940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, interesting. < 1240082943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another thing you can do is make variations on existing songs. < 1240082981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, ok < 1240083002 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i has a 3000€ electrical piano, a 300€ synthesizer and a very expensive piano (not mine) here < 1240083048 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have another electrical piano, but it's kinda unused atm < 1240083055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries making a variation of this russian folk song by Beethoven for which he happened to have the music sheet within reach.
< 1240083091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh. that didn't work out very well. < 1240083107 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1240083111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I can't translate € to SEK < 1240083114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1240083123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err i think the course was like 10:1 at some point < 1240083130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but dunno < 1240083133 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not. < 1240083162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google says 3000€ would be roughly twice as expensive as the electrical piano I bought a few days ago < 1240083184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i used to have pretty explicit techniques for composing, unfortunately i don't anymore. < 1240083189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well slightly more than twice < 1240083215 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only explicit thing i do is deciding to use a certain element and tell my brain to gimme a song that uses it :P < 1240083267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i compose all the time compulsively) < 1240083282 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.google.no/search?hl=no&q=3000+EUR+in+SEK&meta=&aq=f&oq= < 1240083293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: google says 3000€ would be roughly twice as expensive as the electrical piano I bought a few days ago < 1240083321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, stop contradicting yourself < 1240083338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I noticed I did have a browser window open after I said it < 1240083345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I would have waited for someone else < 1240083378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i bought it, the models that were better were only different in that they had this "adjusting to surroundings" thing where you left them alone for 30 minutes to play alone and learn how to sound like a grand piano in a small room. < 1240083486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, mine certainly doesn't have it < 1240083512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a rather basic Roland FP-4 < 1240083533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is a yamaha i think. but dunno. not really into details. < 1240083535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm very happy with it < 1240083545 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sounds like a megalomaniac AI. are you sure this is safe? < 1240083570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's a reason i didn't buy one. < 1240083590 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good. < 1240083595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, also it is way more money that I would like to put on an electrical piano. :P < 1240083605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact more than I could afford < 1240083631 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best ones would've been like 5000 < 1240083646 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c199DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240083675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I wouldn't be able to afford that. < 1240083721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my parents had jobs at the time. < 1240083743 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3000 is nothing if you have a job. < 1240083769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i get like 400 a month and i could afford that easily < 1240083798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even two of them, although admittedly that would be an outrageous lie. < 1240083930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1240083944 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240083951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1240083956 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240084274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:10 coppro: my seccret project < 1240084279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :secrete copprophilia < 1240084508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird you like nick puns, so... < 1240084521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm nickophilic! < 1240084527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^___________^ < 1240084619 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nickopath < 1240085544 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240086859 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1240086885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders about 1/1 for music.
< 1240086902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen that < 1240086912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You could do one syllable lyrics. < 1240086918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I like cake" < 1240086921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true < 1240086936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't be much of a rhythm. More a plod. < 1240086937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523. < 1240086939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1240086964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or you could a different meter for the lyrics than the music. And call it "experimental modernistic" or something like that < 1240086988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehh, I have songs with instruments playing in different time signatures. < 1240087016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you managed to confuse me there. < 1240087023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wut. < 1240087027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1240087038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wut? < 1240087043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh! < 1240087051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh‽ < 1240087066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quux < 1240087072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weapons of uzbek terrorists < 1240087105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES6DSbPBBSE ← this has multiple instruments playing simultaneously in different time signatures, although admittedly calculated so they sync up) < 1240087288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are those video ids on youtube decided? < 1240087331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it some form of checksum? Or just a ever-increasing counter? < 1240087342 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably randomly (UUID or the like) < 1240087346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :semi-random or checksum < 1240087348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240087351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not semi-random, random < 1240087352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1240087355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :base 36 < 1240087358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pseudo-random even < 1240087364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm 36? < 1240087369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they use radioactive decay < 1240087369 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: given that the id is the _only_ distinguishing part, you'd think they would need to avoid collisions < 1240087372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: err wait < 1240087374 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not 36, there's upper and lowercase letters < 1240087378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1240087378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :62 < 1240087380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think upper case, lower case, numbers, _ and - are all allowed < 1240087384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1240087388 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I would guess 64 < 1240087388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 < 1240087392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly other symbols too < 1240087393 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a deterministic checksum would not work < 1240087393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power of two < 1240087394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1240087394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1240087411 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually for this stuff you just make it random and repick when you find a collision < 1240087422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1240087425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi coppro, I was wondering when you'd turn up over here < 1240087430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi < 1240087434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi AnMaster < 1240087460 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as soon as I discovered it in a /whois < 1240087497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have mentioned it earlier when you started talking about INTERCAL-variant Baudot, I suspect only about 10 people know of that < 1240087517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is listening to this electrical piano playing Arabesque very well (built in demo song thing, why do they include that? Do they think someone would buy a electrical piano because it has 67 built in demo songs?)
< 1240087538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac As requested... < 1240087539 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A euse...dteqrs < 1240087551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, srmlebac? < 1240087567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac srmlebac < 1240087568 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smeacblr < 1240087574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac smeacblr < 1240087574 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seclrbam < 1240087585 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac srmlebac < 1240087586 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smeacblr < 1240087591 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... < 1240087597 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION facepalms
< 1240087599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this encoding < 1240087603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240087605 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac 123456 < 1240087605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rotation? < 1240087606 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :135642 < 1240087607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240087620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transposing somehting < 1240087631 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac seclrbam < 1240087632 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scramble < 1240087634 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we o < 1240087635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240087636 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*go < 1240087646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does it scramble? < 1240087656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: easy < 1240087659 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^srmlebac 1234567890 < 1240087660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc -> acb < 1240087660 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1357908642 < 1240087663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take first character, type < 1240087667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take next character, type < 1240087668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :move left one < 1240087673 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{13579}{08642} < 1240087674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240087674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcdefg -> acegfdb < 1240087677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abcdefg < 1240087678 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acegfdb < 1240087680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1240087682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble acegfdb < 1240087682 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcdefg < 1240087687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1240087695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1240087696 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble < 1240087701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1240087701 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1240087705 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could've done just that. < 1240087707 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^uenlsbcmra srmlebac < 1240087707 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scramble < 1240087713 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To see where it came from. < 1240087728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble was a dead giveaway anyway < 1240087748 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I added the "plaintext" aliases so it's easier to remember. < 1240087804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show scramble < 1240087805 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2] < 1240087809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show unscramble < 1240087810 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[.[-]>[>]<[.[-]<[<]]>] < 1240087813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1240087822 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with the 2[ 2]? < 1240087833 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2[ 2]? < 1240087837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, internal data for loops iirc < 1240087841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember details < 1240087897 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually <2 = << < 1240087902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240087903 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240087912 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh scramble's source < 1240087913 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1240087914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wasn't >> turned into >2 < 1240087915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1240087917 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you know why it replaces the << but not the >> ? < 1240087937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I asked that several seconds before, I guess you are lagged. < 1240087947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your client I mean < 1240087951 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lagged in the head < 1240087953 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not really; I wondered about that, too. < 1240087959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 second < 1240087974 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't check after typing the line before pressing return < 1240087986 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It should replace both. There might be a: bug. < 1240088017 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:52:17] oerjan, I asked that several seconds before, I guess you are lagged. < 1240088026 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, three seconds < 1240088035 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For me, at least < 1240088038 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-94-94.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1240088059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble unscramble < 1240088059 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uenlsbcmra < 1240088062 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, i pointed it out yesterday too, so you are enormously lagged ;) < 1240088066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the unscramble cmd name ofc < 1240088109 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def test bf <<<>>>+++--- < 1240088109 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1240088110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a reversible operatoin? < 1240088111 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show test < 1240088111 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3>>>+3-3 < 1240088114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*operation < 1240088117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "a: bug" :D < 1240088121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble uenlsbcmra < 1240088122 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uaernmlcsb < 1240088123 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there seems to be some sort of bug wrt. >. < 1240088124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not < 1240088132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble uaernmlcsb < 1240088132 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubasecrlnm < 1240088141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscrable ubasecrlnm < 1240088144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble ubasecrlnm < 1240088144 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umbnalsrec < 1240088145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course it's reversible, but not self-inverse < 1240088150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble umbnalsrec < 1240088150 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ucmebrnsal < 1240088155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-inverse is what I was thinking of < 1240088159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble ucmebrnsal < 1240088159 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ulcamsenbr < 1240088164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble ulcamsenbr < 1240088164 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urlbcnaems < 1240088169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble urlbcnaems < 1240088169 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usrmlebacn < 1240088169 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why would we have two instructions if it was a self-inverse? < 1240088171 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we discussed cycle lengths yesterday < 1240088175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble usrmlebacn < 1240088175 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unscramble < 1240088175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1240088176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, self inverse Is that like rot13 you mean < 1240088180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240088183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a factor of length factorial, says oerjan < 1240088189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :short strings last 3 cycles < 1240088196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble anvirtuous < 1240088196 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :avruusotin < 1240088200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble avruusotin < 1240088200 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aruointsuv < 1240088201 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't every reversible function with the same in- and out-domain eventually cycle back to the original value? < 1240088203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble aruointsuv < 1240088203 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :auituvsnor < 1240088206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble auituvsnor < 1240088206 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiusornvtu < 1240088208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble aiusornvtu < 1240088209 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :auontuvrsi < 1240088211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble auontuvrsi < 1240088212 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aotvsirunu < 1240088214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble aotvsirunu < 1240088215 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atsrnuuivo < 1240088217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble atsrnuuivo < 1240088217 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asnuvoiurt < 1240088220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble asnuvoiurt < 1240088220 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anvirtuous < 1240088229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8, there. < 1240088241 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: A plausible integer-sequence link was also pasted, I guess you saw that too? < 1240088246 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was a known sequence in the encyclopedia of integer sequences, but it still wasn't obvious why the definition there fit < 1240088250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that scramble always cycles in the long end. < 1240088254 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble usrmlebacn < 1240088254 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unscramble < 1240088257 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it cycles < 1240088261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah < 1240088265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering it's definition < 1240088273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, duh. < 1240088275 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proving it cycles is easy < 1240088277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks einstein < 1240088282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, indeed < 1240088292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it obviously cycles, for the same reason that BackFlip programs always terminate < 1240088298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just didn't bother making a formal proof, thus I used "suspect" < 1240088302 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :avruusotin <<< space taker < 1240088308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, BackFlip is sub-tc then? < 1240088317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : doesn't every reversible function with the same in- and out-domain eventually cycle back to the original value? <<< no < 1240088318 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: More like "spce taker". < 1240088326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, obviously < 1240088332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even have infinite storage < 1240088343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that it always terminates is probably more interesting than the fact it's sub-TC, though < 1240088355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't remember details of BackFlip *looks at wiki page* < 1240088357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more interestingly, Unassignable can be proven to always terminate along similar lines, and it's pretty high-level < 1240088361 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no, the original value doesn't have to be in the cycle... of course :( < 1240088366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: there's this thing called multiplication < 1240088370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it does if it's reversible < 1240088390 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's not the issue. it's in the cycle for permutations. < 1240088390 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ooh, I might add that I meant the domain was finite < 1240088396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: then yes < 1240088407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "The first line of the file must be the longest and all lines below it are padded to its length with spaces, if necessary." < 1240088410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any reason why? < 1240088441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to help interps allocate memory better < 1240088450 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: if the original weren't in the cycle, the inverse operation would be able to tell how many cycles you've gone around when you started undoing it after cycling a few rounds < 1240088453 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i mean? < 1240088481 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a->b->c->b->c->b->c->..., if you started taking the inverse, it couldn't know when to give a < 1240088486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: heh, that's sort of the opposite of the way I proved it, I was reasoning that in order to join the cycle there'd have to be some element in the cycle with two different inverses < 1240088513 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the inverse and the forward function would have to have the same cycles I guess < 1240088514 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, i think that's exactly the same proof < 1240088557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the proof is its own inverse! < 1240088570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm. That would solve a lot in befunge. I could even do something like mmap() file, mmap() an equally large area and do a bulk copy then < 1240088620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, not exactly < 1240088632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means that the interp pads all lines to the same length as the first, not the input file < 1240088652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh right, misread it < 1240088653 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A003558 was it < 1240088675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, could the first line end in some spaces? < 1240088693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how long did you check btw? < 1240088695 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1240088696 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far < 1240088699 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to 20 < 1240088711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not sure, I normally use hyphens < 1240088713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i paste the haskell? < 1240088754 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's not very reliable, haskell can do infinite lists, so why cut it? < 1240088774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, to print the output < 1240088805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ < 1240088821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't see the point in checking further (i was just comparing by eye though) < 1240088842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, i didn't implement the definition on the website < 1240088862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure element 65427 would've been different < 1240088867 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240088871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this hunch. < 1240088873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show scramble < 1240088874 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2] < 1240088875 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lab.andre-michelle.com/tonematrix < 1240088878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show unscramble < 1240088878 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[.[-]>[>]<[.[-]<[<]]>] < 1240088893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is all due to my ITRALCEN < 1240088897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240088902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessed < 1240088950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A003558 was it <-- for what < 1240088971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the number of iterations of ^scramble before it repeats < 1240088974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240088978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1240088989 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1240088995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is m and n? < 1240089013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 65536,0,32800,0,8192,0,4096,0,1024,512,256,0,16384,16,0,16384 < 1240089024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(copy that then right click→paste on tonematrix) < 1240089032 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n is something like word length, but i didn't check if there's any increment < 1240089046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. word length + something < 1240089050 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox spontaneously decided to go strange < 1240089089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 4098,5132,49168,92704,82112,32768,8356,16384,8722,13330,2338,2280,14352,20484,38912,3072 < 1240089113 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hooked? < 1240089119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried it earlier. < 1240089128 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1240089168 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is attempting to make a random tonematrix generator
< 1240089261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just integers < 1240089289 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the user to be able to put in the number of rests and simultaneous tones < 1240089316 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm doing this in Javascript < 1240089323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ruby -e'16.times { print rand(131071), "," }; puts' < 1240089331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240089332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that < 1240089339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ruby -e'16.times { print ",", rand(131071) }; puts' < 1240089341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and omit the first , < 1240089355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds nice < 1240089372 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-11-87.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240089390 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the random ones, or my thoughts? < 1240089396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random < 1240089403 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel sort of bad... I'm commenting an INTERCAL program < 1240089411 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : annoying: 49154,128,49154,128,49154,49154,128,128,24578,128,24578,128,128,98306,128,128 < 1240089420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: just make the comments meaningless < 1240089422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like oerjan did < 1240089436 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1240089438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what, that's awesome < 1240089441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: don't worry, I do it all the time < 1240089444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: see his unlambda interp < 1240089452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Google style guide recomments comments, but insists they're in allcaps < 1240089514 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1240089534 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1240089564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should count number of citations vs number of [citation needed] on wikipedia. Both total and as average ratio per article < 1240089569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a job for fizzie < 1240089571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1240089577 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I safely use Javascript 1.6 stuff? < 1240089585 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1240089593 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, I don't think so < 1240089595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought JavaScript 3 was out nowadays < 1240089622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you ever used a browser? < 1240089648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is more than one version of javascript? I thought it was just version with lots of implementation specific extensions on top < 1240089653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes < 1240089670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you are so, so wrong. < 1240089672 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm on the Mozilla site, so 1.6 according to Mozilla anyway < 1240089686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I said "thought" not "think" < 1240089688 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would really like to be able to use indexOf for this
< 1240089696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes I were wrong < 1240089698 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least a way to check to see if an element is in an array. < 1240089700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: as of 16 september 2008, the last time the stats were calculated, there were 607524 uses of {{reflist}}, and 124868 of {{fact}} < 1240089701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nobody will use it. < 1240089702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so feel free. < 1240089709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, source? < 1240089715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: reflist? there's other ways to do references. < 1240089718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MostLinkedTemplates < 1240089718 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless there's a better way to populate an array with random unique numbers? < 1240089722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, but they're harder to count < 1240089739 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I also need to check the array being used, so < 1240089741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :127644 of {{unreferenced}}, by the way < 1240089747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240089759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about per-article average? < 1240089768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :divide by the number of articles < 1240089820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1240089868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so more citations than citation needed at that point of time? < 1240089875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when will that page next update < 1240089911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: when someone next runs that particular batch query, and I'm pretty sure it's a long way down the developer's list of priorities < 1240089930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well why isn't it automatically updated? < 1240089945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Why don't you buy them a fuckin' server? < 1240089952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, so they can run tons of useless queries all the time. < 1240089958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you any idea how much processing it needs to scrape the whole of Wikipedia? < 1240089971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays they have a toolserver for that sort of thing, but it would take it weeks or months to recompile that list I expect < 1240089977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and using a dedicated server for it would be a waste < 1240089983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, I doubt it'd take that long < 1240089990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you could add a field and update it on edit < 1240089992 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Why scrape Wikipedia? They post database dumps on a regular basis. < 1240089994 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well once you have the initial metrics, you can update on edit < 1240090000 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, databse dumps < 1240090001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I meant, from the dumps < 1240090002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah let's just have 100 fields for every edit < 1240090002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so worth it < 1240090006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Well, then. < 1240090011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you run it on a multi-core system with a very fast disk I imagine you could do a few thousand articles a second < 1240090011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, updating templates on edit would be a real mess the way MediaWiki works < 1240090016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they already have "pages using this template" < 1240090018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I'd guess that Wikipedia would be freaking huge. < 1240090022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a reverse index < 1240090024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's different < 1240090026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1240090031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they maintain that index anyway < 1240090035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for page links < 1240090039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's often wrong < 1240090046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several known tricks to correct it < 1240090059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, so how many pages use {{fact}} and how many use {{reflist}} < 1240090071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in not instances, but pages with instances < 1240090092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, put wikipedia on a ram disk :D < 1240090103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's called a solid state drive < 1240090112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, why not just fit WP in ram? < 1240090121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ramdisk != ssd < 1240090125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn the difference < 1240090126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i know. < 1240090134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant, 'a fast disk' meant SSD. < 1240090140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I specifically meant a ramdisk < 1240090145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since ssd is slow < 1240090147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't get ram disks big enough for wp, I don't think. < 1240090148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to ram < 1240090156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssd is quick enough to scrape wp < 1240090159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have other benchmarks < 1240090161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, isn't the dump 12 GB? < 1240090168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/benchmarks/bottlenecks/ < 1240090169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's 12G. < 1240090180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So? My next machine will have 12GB of ram. < 1240090181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be a wee bit pricy, but you could have all of Wikipedia in RAM. < 1240090200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so just get a 32 GB RAM machine or such and use a part of it for a 12 GB RAM disk < 1240090201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put a minimal linux on there and you could fit most of WP. < 1240090217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just read most of it in RAM, and have a one-time swapover cost. < 1240090222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32GB is expensive. < 1240090223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1240090240 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But attainable. < 1240090260 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to buy a new computer < 1240090268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, but the kind of person who wants to scrape WP can't afford 32gb of ram. < 1240090269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1240090274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or even more expensive: go for a massively parallel HPC computer/cluster < 1240090280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some NUMA thing obviously < 1240090309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12GB of DDR3 RAM + 4-core machine + SSD disk to load it into RAM quickly = quite cheap mega-fast wikipedia processor. < 1240090323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite cheap as these things go, that is. < 1240090329 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I think I could just about afford that much RAM and a motherboard to use it. I'd be broke after doing so, but still... < 1240090340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: don't < 1240090359 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12G compressed isn't it? < 1240090360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'll be pretty dry on cash after this. (But I never buy much.) < 1240090362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, wikipedia will soon outgrow it < 1240090364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Nah. < 1240090366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9G compressed. < 1240090369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1240090369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc. < 1240090373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about images? < 1240090373 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, yeah. I'd really rather not. < 1240090386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was 12 GB of text < 1240090389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Don't even think about images. < 1240090395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that include the talk pages? < 1240090402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that dump even larger < 1240090404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not exactly getting 12GB of RAM to scrape WP. < 1240090405 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :counting {{fact}} is gonna be i/o bound < 1240090406 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Especially since the same funds could instead be spent to get me a nice Opteron motherboard with a couple of 4-core chips or some such. ;) < 1240090412 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly even if everything's in ram < 1240090413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: So load it into RAM. < 1240090421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1240090425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Well, w/ DDR3... < 1240090439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's ever been a successful official public backup of the image servers < 1240090449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd still be IO-bound, but the bound wouldn't be much of a bound. < 1240090466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how much space do the images on wp use? < 1240090477 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hundreds of Gs < 1240090479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much < 1240090479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm pretty sure wp deletes old images. < 1240090484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: terabytes. < 1240090485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nope < 1240090486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they don't. < 1240090491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would image undelete work, then? < 1240090504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I have seen lots of images with the oldest revisions missing < 1240090514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cuz they're before they were recorded, I guess. < 1240090515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: image undelete is relatively recent < 1240090520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240090522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, only a few years old < 1240090528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 3 < 1240090542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what happened with those old revisions of it? < 1240090578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there was a server crash which lost the entire deleted-stuff archives several years ago < 1240090598 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Currently Wikipedia does not allow or provide facilities to download all Images." < 1240090600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, deleting images used to just delete the image, although the metadata stayed in the article deleted-revision archives < 1240090604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, check the thumbnails in the history of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vector_Video_Standards2.svg < 1240090608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then try those links < 1240090610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1240090612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, tell me what happened there < 1240090622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I get 403 Forbidden for old ones < 1240090632 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet archive seems to be about 3 petabytes nowadays, and growing "about 100 terabytes per month"; it's nice that the petabyte gets some use too. < 1240090668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about google's "cached pages" archive? < 1240090688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not entirely sure what's going on there < 1240090713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well tell some wp devs or something about this issue? < 1240090714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1240090723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well,* < 1240090746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm sure it isn't their top priorit < 1240090748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*priority < 1240090753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1240090761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to, email wikitech-l < 1240090764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but I have seen this on lots of images < 1240090770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, at what domain? < 1240090773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a reasonable place to ask stupid questions < 1240090775 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't seen google speaking about their size. But there's one estimate (in wp) that global Internet traffic in one month is "5 to 8 exabytes". < 1240090775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikitech-l@example.com < 1240090778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what? < 1240090785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to subscribe first < 1240090791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=WP:ML < 1240090798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a link to wikitech-l on there < 1240090816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?id=745 ← this is the most expensive ram evar < 1240090842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you need to subscribe first <-- meh < 1240090845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1240090863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also try asking on-wiki at [[WP:VPT]] < 1240090872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=WP:VPT < 1240090881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the domain name says it all :D < 1240090890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wu < 1240090890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1240090903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the devs don't look there very often, but you get lots of other technically minded people there asking questions < 1240090910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can often end up answering each other's questions < 1240090950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh misread < 1240090954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read "munchkin" < 1240091068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prediction: RAM will get so fast and large in coming years that they'll need fans. < 1240091088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have already seen RAM with fans < 1240091092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat. < 1240091093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not common, but still < 1240091093 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1240091094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Srsly? < 1240091095 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I have Mushkin's DDR2 Redline (not sure if I told you that already so here you go) < 1240091097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240091113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Good, are they? < 1240091133 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me, I have nothing to compare to < 1240091143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1240091151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway how can you have missed ram with fans... < 1240091156 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're better than the Kingston SDR I had before < 1240091163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: My little bubble of sanity. < 1240091171 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or hmm, it might have been DDR1 < 1240091172 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyhoo < 1240091178 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon there'll be fans on fans. < 1240091193 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1240091194 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen that too. < 1240091199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240091201 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬_¬ < 1240091201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, where < 1240091213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1240091238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal builds spaceships for a living < 1240091260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1240091308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have also seen chipsets with their own fans < 1240091319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it was south or north birdige < 1240091320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should just make a fan-powered computer. < 1240091321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bridge* < 1240091329 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat65.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1240091334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how would that work... < 1240091347 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1240091354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh you mean air streams instead of electricity... < 1240091354 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any news about BF Joust? < 1240091360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Right! < 1240091360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the logic < 1240091372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your computer is just a tangled mass of many hundreds of tiny fans. < 1240091379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With little bobbles as the memory. < 1240091391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bobbles... < 1240091393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1240091399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bobbles of plastic. < 1240091400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little balls. < 1240091402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240091419 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240091423 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1240091450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3461 ← stuff about nehalem's puny l2 cache < 1240091451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how would you register stuff though, I mean you would need electricity to power the fans yes, but risk is you end up with electricity for more stuff unless you are careful < 1240091451 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm is amusing and news to me < 1240091452 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, does anyone have access to this paper "Van der Poel, W.L., 1956, 1962: The Logical Principles of Some Simple Computers." < 1240091479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just have an external power supply thing, so that it's agnostic to how you power the fans < 1240091489 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that MONIAC thing, though it's not exactly very programmable. < 1240091500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm < 1240091513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can you would out a logic in this? < 1240091518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, MONIAC? < 1240091519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240091520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^ < 1240091534 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just wikipediafy it. I can't move my mouse, X will crash. :p < 1240091564 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've found a OISC which I can't find described anywhere. < 1240091573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just wikipediafy it. I can't move my mouse, X will crash. :p <-- wut < 1240091585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, oh... details < 1240091619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240091621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it < 1240091635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so this is like that think in "Making money" by TP? < 1240091648 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that book is mentioned in the wp page. < 1240091679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for once I thought he actually made something up, "nothing can be this crazy in the real world" < 1240091710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moniac cheats < 1240091712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too precise! < 1240091719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just want shaped metal grids and fans. < 1240091720 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found as in it already existed in the Redcode instruction set, but no-one realised it's Turing complete by itself! < 1240091753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, details < 1240091948 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to run page rank on wikipeida < 1240091963 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corewar's DJN instruction. DJN A,B will subtract 1 from memory location B and jump to A if the result at location B is non-zero < 1240091967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, what do you mean. < 1240091977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: that's just subleq, minorly tweaked < 1240091980 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean what do i mean? < 1240091990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was just about to say what ehird said
< 1240092010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that isn't subleq < 1240092015 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minorly? < 1240092023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, manually rank each page or what < 1240092025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like C is a minorly tweaked potato < 1240092029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subleq does subtractions < 1240092031 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1240092034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas DJN does decrements < 1240092042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subleq's 3-arg IIRC, DJN is 2-arg < 1240092044 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: YES I AM GOING TO MANUALLY RANK EACH PAGE IN WIKIPEDIA < 1240092046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minor = instead of subtracting N, decrement < 1240092050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: <3 < 1240092053 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :page rank as in google < 1240092058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION agrees with ehird here
< 1240092063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about minor < 1240092068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't call that minor < 1240092076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : kinda like C is a minorly tweaked potato <-- C minor or C major < 1240092082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like calling a replacement of BF's + with genuine addition minor < 1240092109 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1240092127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's in the other direction, which imo makes it less minor. < 1240092132 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd call that minor as well :-P < 1240092133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, isn't subleq using a immediate rather than a memory address for number to substraction < 1240092144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, it is very minor indeed < 1240092147 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No < 1240092150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: subtract != decrement < 1240092151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah ok < 1240092156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a big difference in any OISC < 1240092164 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: genuine addition can trivially do increment, increment can't trivially do addition < 1240092170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: agreed < 1240092190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1240092205 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm confused < 1240092236 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been there < 1240092270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: do you still play Nibbles < 1240092272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1240092405 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"PEW PEW" < 1240092546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ↑ is easy on this keyboard layout, never knew that before < 1240092555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :←↓→↑ < 1240092622 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pagelinks.sql.gz is only 2 gb < 1240092639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's 2 gigabytes, /compressed/? < 1240092643 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1240092757 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to parse this format though < 1240092956 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240092975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i vaguely recall some subleq variant that used an accumulator instead of the first argument, so only had two < 1240093009 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Nibbles? < 1240093027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: a killer app for Linux, IMO < 1240093033 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a trivial variant when it comes to runtimes ;-) < 1240093033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically multiplayer Snake < 1240093048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you can go around killing each other, in addition to just getting the things you're meant to get < 1240093055 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :56000 cycles for a MOV < 1240093060 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf <,.!? < 1240093061 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1240093078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,<.!a < 1240093078 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1240093095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if fungot uses a two-way tape? < 1240093095 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gui programming sucks, no one cares ( except for ports), and run < 1240093100 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :56000? :D < 1240093102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ng ,<>.!a < 1240093105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,<>.!a < 1240093105 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1240093123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems so < 1240093141 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,<,>.<.!ab < 1240093142 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ab < 1240093155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: what's the algo? < 1240093169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks pretty definite < 1240093172 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ive < 1240093253 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[>,][<]>[.>]!test < 1240093256 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1240093268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1240093273 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[>,]<[<]>[.>]!test < 1240093273 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1240093336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show scramble < 1240093337 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2] < 1240093414 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOV A, B = DJN 0, B / DJN 1, TEMP / DJN -1, A / DJN 1, A / DJN 1, B / DJN -2, TEMP < 1240093435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no use testing with fungot then, but i think my first > is unnecessary < 1240093437 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: doesn't intercal have a minuscule instruction set? hm. i got it, thanks a lot < 1240093446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: NO! < 1240093448 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we are different. it's not actually part of the list ( ( 1), the repl is awkward, but mostly, they all die and ppl start using a combination module, instead loading something else ( no true scientist has only one side of the world < 1240093453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^styl < 1240093454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1240093455 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp < 1240093483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have thought intercal was a dead giveaway :D < 1240093493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ic < 1240093493 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ic (INTERCAL manual) < 1240093497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1240093502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say something < 1240093503 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: w016 don't type that so hastily abstained, it doesn't end with `try again'. first, marks where the compiler's looking; that may be wondering what happens if you submit a patch to a variable name and isn't an array must be made about unwoven threads is by changing `senestmax' in version 1.-94.-8 and c-intercal from 0.26 onwards, but must be onespot or twospot value as long as both resulting threads after the statement sh < 1240093521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: that was interesting... < 1240093521 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the way the scoping rules and recursion work), `libick.a', with the same way as `ick_linelabel' and `copying.txt' in the range of options that are sending. however, it will give this error can also be used freely and as a result was too surprised to finish off this appendix, here's the corresponding bit, which holds values of the group of idioms at the start menu then typing `cmd' ( *note e579::) to create a directory c < 1240093586 0 :fizzieds!n=fizzieds@dsl-hkibrasgw1-feb1f900-216.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1240093622 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What happens if you submit a patch to a variable name" indeed! < 1240093690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is the recommended gui toolkit for intercal? < 1240093691 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the only way to communicate between unwoven threads is by changing the abstention or reinstatement status of the twospot variable, these guarantees are somewhat complicated, and one of these contexts. the third and fourth, quantum intercal, this check generally makes more sense than explicitly specifying.' rather than letting the compilation process guess everything. in a program decides that it split off from since the < 1240093710 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Quantum intercal" < 1240093714 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds scary < 1240093730 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1240093730 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic* irc lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp < 1240093731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the CLC-INTERCAL name for a particular multithreading extension, it isn't true quantum < 1240093748 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't that .' there be a !? < 1240093748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe zzo38 does have a true-quantum INTERCAl instruction set, but hasn't implemetned it yet < 1240093750 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. that did not look irc.loggy. < 1240093791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: no, ! is an abbreviation for '. < 1240093903 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!style darwin < 1240093914 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style darwin < 1240093914 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy) < 1240093923 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^, not ! < 1240093928 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: where did our species come from? < 1240093930 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: difference between field- and house-slaves. cattle, horses, and hybrids. -influence :) male, to surrounding objects, and over a fnord second :) time has created in/ galapagos islands nearly every land-bird, but only a theory on/ origin :) species < 1240093958 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darwin overused emoticons, in my opinion. < 1240093969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our evolution was far more scary than i thought... < 1240093982 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"origin :) species" < 1240093988 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know he was a fnord person. < 1240094020 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION assumes kerlo knows how fungot works, and is just joking
< 1240094022 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bud-variations in. -recognition :) varieties :). -hildebrand's experiments on. -flowers :). -p. fnord, ejected. < 1240094025 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should fix that particular model. < 1240094036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no... Windows Internet Explorer 8. The next Internet has arrived. < 1240094316 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they actually say that? < 1240094332 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link or it didn't happen. :-P < 1240094532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw it quoted somewhere < 1240094540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find the original on Microsoft's website atm < 1240094626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/internet-explorer/default.aspx# advertises that it's available for "all systems and languages", which can't be right < 1240094639 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the result keep clearing? < 1240094640 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/YqSa3M23.html < 1240094673 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hm < 1240094697 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sure it is, it just defines a "system" as something that can run IE < 1240094806 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wfw311 runs ie, but i don't think ie8 is available for it either. < 1240094826 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :version 4 or something was. < 1240094848 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I forgot to add an 8 at the end of my sentence and couldn't be bothered to correct < 1240094858 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"mov.i #1,1" < 1240094865 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION changes the type
< 1240094900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows for Workgroups 3.11 with Win32s can run IE 5 or maybe even 6, I think... < 1240094919 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, a SunOS machine can run IE 5. ;) < 1240094924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, can't find it, maybe someone was lying to me < 1240094954 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 4 or something was what i used < 1240094997 0 :fizzieds!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"back to a real computer" < 1240095098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to crash IE4 using a recursive website < 1240095109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a website with frames, and each frame was the website itself < 1240095116 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay... reimplementing basic operations in INTERCAL is FUN! < 1240095117 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LYING TO AIS523? WHAT BASTARDS! < 1240095124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty spectacular; it didn't just take down IE4, but the whole desktop environment too < 1240095126 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have addition down... < 1240095140 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Recursion < 1240095141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: are you trying to do it without using the standard library? < 1240095143 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1240095147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course! < 1240095159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are you trying it in pure INTERCAL-72, or with extensions? < 1240095164 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC-INTERCAL < 1240095166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to get addition down to one line using extensions < 1240095168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was multithreaded < 1240095170 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240095293 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240095300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thread did the addition loop, the other monitored to see when the loop had finished < 1240095634 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION adds recursion to his list of things that threads can be used for
< 1240095670 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1111) DO NOT WHATEVER YOU DO COME FROM .60110... hehehe < 1240095703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: deliberate obfuscation? < 1240095709 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1240095712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, .60110 is a pretty large variable name... < 1240095721 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm putting all my computed COME FROMS up high < 1240095726 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they don't get interfered with < 1240095759 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... < 1240095763 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :safer way of coding < 1240095811 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately I can't obfuscate right there now :( < 1240095822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you might want to make the second DO part of a larger word, iirc < 1240095832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works too < 1240095835 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that will work to < 1240095838 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but DOCOME isn't a word < 1240095845 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean before < 1240095867 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO TAKE CARE OF YOUR HAIRDO < 1240095872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NOT < 1240095886 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240095909 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO NOT MAKE THAT WEIRDO < 1240095916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: why not use c-intercal? home bred by ais523! :P < 1240095918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, less insane. < 1240095927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: compatibility between the two improves all the time < 1240095942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC-INTERCAL is generally ahead of the curve, because it doesn't worry about things like portability and efficiency < 1240095964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:10 GregorR: OHHHHHH NO I SEE NOW < 1240095964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:10 GregorR shoots self. < 1240095965 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ABSTAINING FROM a label prevent COMING FROM it? < 1240095966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:10 GregorR: I finally understand. < 1240095968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ on forth < 1240095968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no < 1240095972 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1240095973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can COME FROM a comment, even < 1240095979 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1111) DO NOT, WHATEVER YOU DO, COMMENT OUT THIS LINE < 1240095991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: DO, is a syntax error < 1240096004 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't get executed < 1240096011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1240096014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wanted to make sure you knew < 1240096022 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since (1111) is the subject of a permanent COME FROM < 1240096053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, this is ridiculous: apparently, the Dalai Lama was thinking of changing operating system, and he asked Slashdot for advice: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/18/2030230&from=rss < 1240096064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"apparently" here means "I'm not at all sure if this is true" < 1240096082 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1240096088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: amazing. < 1240096098 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "he" is very indirectly < 1240096101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240096128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, be back soon, rebooting after distro upgrade < 1240096134 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :140,776,32804,1036,544,16390,3072,32780,82176,2564,66056,24832,33028,6272,4136,2088 < 1240096135 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1240096136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dalai lama is pretty awesome. < 1240096139 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/rnd_tonematrix.htm < 1240096139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"rebooting after distro upgrade" < 1240096254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is essentially less difficult to write exploits for Mac OS/Linux than it is for Windows, given the many anti-exploitation mechanisms < 1240096258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god. < 1240096269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how retarded < 1240096280 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the... < 1240096286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from that /. article < 1240096287 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that a syntax error? < 1240096296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: because the DO starts a new statement < 1240096298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitespace is irrelevant < 1240096303 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, a different thing < 1240096310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1240096313 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLEASE DO :1110 <- ":¥1110 ¢ '#0 ~ #65535'" ~ .1110 < 1240096366 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: are there not many anti-exploitation mechanisms, or are the ones present ineffective? < 1240096385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: The fact that you have to even ask is mouth-gawpingly ridiculous. < 1240096444 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to answer the question, or just Joseph Smith me? < 1240096467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: why is the sky blue? < 1240096482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: I want all the details, to the subatomic level. < 1240096528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If *I* was in charge of the DL's computer, I wouldn't put on *only* Linux or *only* Windows or what have you. I think the DL needs a multiboot machine, and would really appreciate it if you tried to make him one with everything. " < 1240096528 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any answers to why my statement is a syntax error? < 1240096530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahhahahahah < 1240096533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*groan* < 1240096536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ask ais when he returns < 1240096542 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked you a this-or-that question, not an all-the-details question. < 1240096546 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1240096577 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1240096580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: you should talk in horn clauses all the time < 1240096581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523 < 1240096584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "it is essentially less difficult to write exploits for Mac OS/Linux than it is for Windows, given the many anti-exploitation mechanisms Microsoft has embedded in the last years" < 1240096587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— that /. article < 1240096593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, < 1240096594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:15 ehird: "If *I* was in charge of the DL's computer, I wouldn't put on *only* Linux or *only* Windows or what have you. I think the DL needs a multiboot machine, and would really appreciate it if you tried to make him one with everything. " < 1240096597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1240096600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:11 coppro: PLEASE DO :1110 <- ":¥1110 ¢ '#0 ~ #65535'" ~ .1110 < 1240096604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wants to know why it's a syntax error < 1240096619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing obviously wrong < 1240096622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it encoded corectly? < 1240096639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :passing UTF-8 to CLC-INTERCAL confuses it, you have to encode the input as Latin-1 < 1240096640 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An analogous question is perhaps "Your truck is stopped directly below an overpass. Is it stuck, or did you run out of gas while delivering it?" < 1240096645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as EBCDIC, or Baudot, or Hollerith < 1240096652 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, crap. stupid editor < 1240096657 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reset the encoding... blargh < 1240096678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just edit in EBCDIC, that's sufficiently different from everything sane that it'll be obvious when it goes wrong < 1240096846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The new malloc_info function therefore does not export a structure. Instead it exports the information in a self-describing data structure. Nowadays the preferred way to do this is via XML." < 1240096847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : kerlo: The fact that you have to even ask is mouth-gawpingly ridiculous. <<< I don't see what's stupid about asking whether windows really is more vulnerable than MacOS/Linux, if they were targeted the same amount < 1240096848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— Ulrich Drepper < 1240096863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's just patently false < 1240096869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quote from the article is untrue through and through < 1240096871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since dalai lama's offices may have been _specifically_ targeted by the chinese < 1240096919 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect security: Don't go online < 1240096928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're so witty Sgeo. < 1240097163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.saveie6.com/ < 1240097173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone want to do that? < 1240097184 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, museums < 1240097186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because it's the first of april? < 1240097212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1240097305 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what anti-exploitation features they are talking about. Presumably not NX and ASLR, as those (especially the NX) have been supported for a while... < 1240097333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: microsoft told them! < 1240097348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1240097351 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1240097353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the amiga 500 had a 7mhz cpu < 1240097361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gahahaha < 1240097372 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now my assignment to a two spot is causing problems :( < 1240097397 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get http://www.saveie6.com/_img/img_chart_renderspeed.jpg < 1240097421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: how fast it animates GIFs < 1240097429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, browsers actually differ on that < 1240097549 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1240097553 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees his mistake
< 1240097557 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe you can answer my question, then. < 1240097566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: not all Linux systems have NX and ASLR on by default < 1240097599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Linux turns NX on if it's supported by the CPU. < 1240097607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1240097616 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: erm, no, i'm wondering myself < 1240097618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NX is a ... what that you can't execute? < 1240097618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack? < 1240097639 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NX on Linux disables code execution on all pages that don't have PROT_EXEC. < 1240097639 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NX is a flag on the page stating that it can't be executed from. < 1240097670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only in existence on recent x86 processors. < 1240097680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(namely, everything that does x86_64.) < 1240097704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1240097710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phooey to that :P < 1240097714 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard that there are some X86-64 CPUs that can't do NX. All X86-64s from AMD support it, but some from Intel don't. < 1240097738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Their very first ones don't. Said processors were sold for all of a month. < 1240097760 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also, IIRC, had a very poor implementation of x86_64. < 1240097796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reports another bug to Ubuntu in the hope that they'll do something about it
< 1240097812 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X86-64 doesn't support execute without read, right (some other CPU archs do support that)? < 1240097813 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bug? < 1240097817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just report it to debian < 1240097820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they actually fix stuff < 1240097822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/363532 < 1240097839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I know, but I don't know what package it's in or if it's Ubuntu-specific, it well might be for this one < 1240097848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always report straight to Debian if I know the bug's there too < 1240097855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, even ubuntu-specific bugs tend to be reproducible on debian, no? < 1240097867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you have a Debian system with Ubuntu repos to test them on < 1240097873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu and Debian should probably merge or something. < 1240097883 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Debian devs won't take responsibility for non-Debian bugs < 1240097908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, entirely correctly < 1240097915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more to the point the bug might be in an Ubuntu-specific patch < 1240097930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect a shutdown to cause no system beeps (and possibly a customizable shutdown sound). < 1240097932 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The graphical environment and startup/shutdown procedures, etc. are mostly Ubuntu < 1240097937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :detailed bug reports are amusing < 1240097953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've learnt through experience that you should always explain expected behaviour < 1240097959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I don't think there are many actually Ubuntu-specific programs < 1240097965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case the developers fixing it get completely the wrong end of the stick < 1240097969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, made just for inclusion in it < 1240097970 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Ubuntu-specific, no < 1240098024 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to play isketch
< 1240098040 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay addition is working < 1240098067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This indicates that the image is probably composed of several images taken at different times (probably in a top secret studio guarded by specially trained aliens working as government agents) < 1240098069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— http://www.stuffucanuse.com/fake_moon_landings/moon_landings.htm < 1240098074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what algorithm did you use? < 1240098085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Those were changed a bit and sent upstream. That stuff is in Debian stable these days. ;) < 1240098090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hilarious < 1240098092 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: XOR and AND, looping till the AND gives 0 < 1240098104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's the usual way I think < 1240098117 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my loop condition involves .VVVVVVVVvVVVVVV1110 < 1240098451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those should all be capital, presumably? < 1240098463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done the multiple-unary trick before, although it isn't portable < 1240098483 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1240098483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the standard method, of self-selection, though, is probably both more efficient and almost as clear < 1240098485 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't portable? < 1240098488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you asked about nibbles? < 1240098490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes < 1240098494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not available for my os :P < 1240098497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, pity < 1240098502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have ubuntu in a vm. < 1240098506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll start it up. < 1240098507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1240098511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to play you < 1240098515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1240098522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, doesn't your internet connection thing ban that? < 1240098523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the AI I submitted to Gnome for Nibbles is now the official one < 1240098527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: different connection < 1240098528 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What do you mean it isn't portable? < 1240098529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a warning, I'm terrible. < 1240098530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I wanted to do it now < 1240098538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: J-INTERCAL doesn't like it < 1240098543 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1240098545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in C-INTERCAL, you have to phrase it differently < 1240098550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as "VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV.V1110" < 1240098555 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1240098558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works in CLC-INTERCAL too, btw < 1240098563 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but it's deprecated < 1240098566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that the quotes are required < 1240098613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: do you have a NAT at your end/ < 1240098619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do over here, so you'd better host the game < 1240098621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't < 1240098624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: My ports are all blocked up, but I can open them manually. < 1240098636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5688 is the port for gnome-games, I think < 1240098638 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is nibbles? < 1240098644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: killer app for Linux < 1240098647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's multiplayer Snake < 1240098654 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome, I'm in < 1240098657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what ports? < 1240098662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5688 < 1240098666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: udp or tcp < 1240098676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know offhand, shall I look it up? < 1240098682 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both? < 1240098684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess TCP < 1240098691 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems likely < 1240098694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unlikely, my guess for a game like that is pure TCP < 1240098714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec, forwarding < 1240098742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what IP should I connect to? 208.78.103.223? < 1240098747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second. < 1240098750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to start the host. < 1240098752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As soon as I figure out how. < 1240098753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I'm waiting < 1240098760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads manual.
< 1240098782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Uh, I can't find anything about running a server. < 1240098788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither can I < 1240098799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's in a different package < 1240098800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ggzd < 1240098802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1240098803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1240098807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can connect via the official server instead if you prefer < 1240098810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw. < 1240098823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This way's funner. < 1240098836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have it up in a min. < 1240098879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: try connecting < 1240098886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that was painless < 1240098890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 ubuntu < 1240098908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get "Connection refused" < 1240098913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess it is UDP. < 1240098916 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1240098918 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1240098924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1240098927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm connected via my bouncer, fools! < 1240098933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, what IP, then? < 1240098935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try 91.105.116.151. < 1240098949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still connection refused < 1240098958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try udp. < 1240098964 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be on guest connection? < 1240098970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1240098972 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk < 1240098995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forwarding... < 1240099010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still connection refused < 1240099012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sec. < 1240099014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not done yet. < 1240099015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it waited about a second beforehand < 1240099037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try now. < 1240099046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, still connection refused < 1240099050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH < 1240099052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, second. < 1240099054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can figs this out. < 1240099071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ nc 91.105.116.151 5688 < 1240099073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(UNKNOWN) [91.105.116.151] 5688 (ggz) : Connection refused < 1240099081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1240099083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decided to try that way too, just in case it was a problem with Nibbles < 1240099083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How queer. < 1240099086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have to tweak the config. < 1240099087 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240099091 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try ggz-games-server < 1240099093 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :package < 1240099100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I did. < 1240099102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second. < 1240099104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the config files. < 1240099105 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240099155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try now, coppro & ais523. < 1240099165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1240099167 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240099168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1240099168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still connection refused < 1240099172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1240099175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on nc and from Niibles < 1240099178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, wait, lemme think. < 1240099183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, it's denying you guys access, right? < 1240099191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1240099197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, I can netcat to, say, port 22 < 1240099197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it's a problem with ggzd.