< 1240704067 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppl bear irrational fear < 1240704072 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the regexp < 1240704124 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I can do regexes! I've done them before! *ducks* < 1240704186 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code P6 < 1240704193 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one big regexp < 1240704498 0 :Dewio!n=dewi@124-171-221-173.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1240704525 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1240704537 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nara < 1240704540 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1240704552 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1240704582 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :php regex sucks. < 1240704586 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just so you know. < 1240704620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1240704623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that got t o do with php < 1240704625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody mentioned php < 1240704642 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but they did mention regex < 1240704645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240704655 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ive been coding in php lately, including some regex stuff. < 1240704676 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so both regex and php are fresh in my mind, especially in conjunction. < 1240704697 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX uses regexes < 1240704741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX uses god dammit sgeo i will be violent in regards to you < 1240704929 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did I know you'd react like that? < 1240704952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1240705191 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240705250 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats psox :o < 1240705255 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pee socks < 1240705319 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/PSOX < 1240705367 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pee socks the < 1240705368 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1240705703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Take a conventional ice cream and replace all of its constituents with savoury equivalents. For the cone we will substitute pastry or perhaps batter, as found in a Yorkshire pudding. At the bottom of the cone is a dollop of beef and gravy, followed by scoops of nice mashed potato, possibly with leek or horseradish or something equally interesting stirred in. We add tomato sauce instead of strawberry, and the flake is replaced with a sausage. " < 1240705705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qntm.org/?savoury < 1240705710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vomits
< 1240706172 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Jello_Raptor has changed the topic to: #xkcd challenge: name two rules which in addition to bucket's "-ass " to " ass-" would make buckat a universal turing maching (assume linked input and output) < 1240706185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Microsoft created a loyal customer in me. I like their products, and I'm not ashamed to say it. They are just another company making software, and they happen to have the biggest market share. Why? Not because they're evil and sacrifice cats - it's because their operating system is the easiest and best to use, as evidenced by the entire fucking world" < 1240706188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail. < 1240706226 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Popular OS means stuff released on it. More stuff released for it means people need it to use the stuff release, which makes it more popular, etc. < 1240706327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Amen brother. I enjoy having an OS I can use that doesn't treat me like an idiot, AND gives me the opportunity to muck around in the guts of without knowing how to program my own damned drivers. I actually own a legal copy of Windows XP. Wooo." < 1240706332 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1240706335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good god, it's a cesspool of stupidity. < 1240706340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Netcraft confirms it: reddit is dead. < 1240706351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi coppro. < 1240706399 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240706406 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1240706513 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@ti211310a341-0219.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240706592 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, copro. < 1240706730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://managedflash.com/index.htm ← this looks like bullshit but what is it? < 1240706903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240706906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Intel drive is already doing what the MFT is doing." < 1240707112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/8fedm/ocz_pcie_20_x4_ssd250gb_500gb_1_tb_1300_2500_3300/c093sk4 ← the $3k price is right < 1240708196 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240708248 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-134-159.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240708613 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240708908 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1240709624 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1240709904 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-87-23.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1240710360 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :�\(�_o)/� < 1240710374 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :traps! < 1240710381 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /tg/ :D < 1240710676 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240710795 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive is a fa/tg/uy < 1240710806 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft < 1240710818 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're a ti/tg/uy < 1240710819 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1240710831 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO YOU LIKE THEM < 1240710833 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or were. surgery fixed your problem right up! < 1240710948 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that makes sense. < 1240710963 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1240711027 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind. < 1240711095 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mind >:| < 1240712911 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tackles and pins Slereah_
< 1240712913 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER mind. < 1240713020 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, I am helpless and at your mercy, you strapping young man. < 1240713134 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks up "strapping" on Wiktionary
< 1240713154 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like high praise, likely because it was juxtaposed with "young". < 1240713200 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hey, it's just what it sounds like. < 1240713543 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VERY STRAPPING < 1240713546 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITH STRAPS < 1240713903 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, the top level of NATO classification is called COSMIC TOP SECRET. < 1240714386 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1240714532 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless someone has vandalized Wikipedia recently, yes. < 1240714635 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google seems to confirm that is the case < 1240714648 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240714931 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1240721253 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the /whois on FreeNode supposed to specify if you're identified? < 1240721279 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to say n= for everyone, registered or not ... < 1240722459 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1240722481 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's supposed to specify whether an IDENT server responded when you connected. < 1240724018 0 :amca!n=amca@CPE-121-208-82-6.qld.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1240724056 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1240724089 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1240724834 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-134-159.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240726193 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1240726204 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1240726211 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ought to learn haskell < 1240726952 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240728195 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned just enough haskell to make a bad pun < 1240728208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sits upright
< 1240728287 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was supposed to be an encouragement, btw < 1240728322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Isn't the /whois on FreeNode supposed to specify if you're identified? < 1240728326 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did Goldilocks say upon seeing "Maybe (b -> Either a b)"? < 1240728352 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Just Right! < 1240728356 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ......... yes? < 1240728359 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the "is identified to services" part < 1240728450 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There is an "is identified to services" part? kerlo responded saying that was whether an ident server responded, which makes sense. < 1240728472 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no he talked about n= vs. i= < 1240728493 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that's what I thought was supposed to be whether you're identified :) < 1240728499 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there is an "is identified" part? < 1240728512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a separate line of the information < 1240728514 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh duh < 1240728515 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There it is < 1240728518 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawlehcoptahs < 1240728525 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's incompetence is UNMATCHED
< 1240728574 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNMATCHED ' < 1240728587 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :........... /me punvomits. < 1240730443 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1240730749 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"YES -> thor-ainor.it <- THIS IS *DELICIOUS*!" < 1240732799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1240732800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1240734293 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240734360 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-134-159.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240734579 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240734667 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240735918 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-66-121.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1240736523 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240736544 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-89-89.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1240738382 0 :tombom!i=tombom@82.18.233.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240738724 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1240738826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, i= vs n= is for "got identd reply or not" < 1240740780 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@ti211310a341-0219.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240741591 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240741752 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1240741979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "Please input a character: UNDEF: got 9731 '☃' which is hopefully correct." :D < 1240742165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [Deewiant] is away (Z z z) <-- It must be past noon there...... < 1240742752 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is < 1240742757 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I woke up 20 minutes ago :-P < 1240742867 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster < 1240742876 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a problem with people sleeping past noon? < 1240742892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not really. Just didn't expect Deewiant to be that type. < 1240742908 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL HE IS SO GET USED TO IT < 1240742915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh what... < 1240742927 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is that type. < 1240742944 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, I could easily wake up if I set an alarm, I always wake up a few minutes before the alarm (unless I'm /really/ tired) < 1240742957 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't bother so then I sleep for 10-12 hours :-P < 1240743953 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, morning. < 1240744739 0 :nooga!n=nooga@89.174.55.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240744749 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, another Mac hating morning < 1240745438 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.126 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240745910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1240745948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1240745986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please input a character: UNDEF: got 9731 '☃' which is hopefully correct. < 1240745988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, :) < 1240746013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1240746020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is efunge though. < 1240746043 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃.com has been squatted O_o < 1240746061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old < 1240746891 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-30-127.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1240747143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, do you plan to add mycoedge any time soon? < 1240747192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, if so, tell me in time so I can release the next cfunge version before then. Otherwise I have other more important things to do instead. < 1240747277 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i listen to swedish radio < 1240747287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, which channel < 1240747300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prefers P2
< 1240747303 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radio Bastad, with ring upon a < 1240747316 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P3 is quite < 1240747319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, is that P4? < 1240747327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radio Båstad I mean < 1240747332 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.radiobastad.se/webspelare/Webradiospelare%2080%20kbps.html < 1240747350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240747360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :local radio right? < 1240747368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not one of the SR channels. < 1240747403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, local radio < 1240747413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, SR has web radio too. < 1240747463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/kanaler/ , the links in the first column opens the web radio. < 1240747481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot of interesting on right now, except possibly in P1. < 1240747638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, http://users.tkk.fi/~mniemenm/befunge/mycology-output/quit/expected.txt seems to contain some garbage. < 1240747643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"!Befunge-mark-4: GOOD 1" < 1240747643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1240747673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow two files got mixed up there < 1240747856 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite < 1240747871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also what about the question I had about mycoedge < 1240747916 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If so, tell you" -> no, so I won't. :-P < 1240747930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Deewiant: Should I add some point add SNMP support to efunge. Only reason I ever got this idea is that it would be quite simple to do it, since erlang has most of the stuff needed for it available already. < 1240747960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNMP? < 1240747988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1240747995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what is SNMP? < 1240748009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Network_Management_Protocol < 1240748085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have trouble working out what that has to do with Befunge < 1240748107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, same, just it would be kind of trivial in efunge. < 1240748174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news I found a way around the issue I had in efunge for ATHR implementation, so efunge development is starting to speed up again. < 1240748440 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Not that the question was addressed to me, but...] There are SNMP libraries for quite many languages; why not in Funge-98 too; that said, I have grave doubts that not many systems administrators will implement their snmp-based utilities with Funge-98. < 1240748453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, true :/ < 1240748473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also SNMP fits nicely as a fingerprint name. < 1240748562 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you can implement SNMP on top of SOCK with Funge-98 code; so optionally it could be a library instead of... uh, a language feature, almost. Too bad Funge libraries aren't very practical, I guess. < 1240748571 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/optionally/optimally/ < 1240749845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, gcc reads my mind < 1240749873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a few days ago I was wondering about a possible optimisation from switches that just assign to variables into lookup tables, as opposed to needing a jump table < 1240749888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I look at the gcc 4.4 release notes and they've added -ftree-switch-conversion which does exactly that < 1240749930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you have code that needs it < 1240749930 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was surprised that that was new < 1240749931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1240749949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I've seen code that could benefit from it < 1240749956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it was just a curiosity thing, no code actually /needs/ it < 1240749965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless going for crazy speed < 1240750000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION implemented exact bounds checking with about 5 lines of erlang code. Well add four to that if you include the caching bit (to avoid recalculating on every y).
< 1240750010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to work so far < 1240750066 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ooh, they've improved the register allocator < 1240750091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would let me write gcc-bf in more 'pure gcc' than the current version, although the current version's gcc side works so I'll stick to it < 1240750225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've added support for various C++0x stuff too, like the type inference thing < 1240751193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ets:select(Fungespace, [{{'$1','$2'},[{'=/=','$2',$\s}],['$1']}]) < 1240751196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely :) < 1240751284 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1240753771 0 :oklokol!n=nnscript@a91-153-121-248.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1240753783 0 :oklokol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what do you mean by that switch optimization? < 1240753804 0 :oklokol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklofok < 1240753827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh... < 1240753840 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you have int y(int x) {int r; switch(x) {case 1: r=2; break; case 2: r=42; break; case 3:r=10323; break;} return r;} < 1240753854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking about parallel computing is hard. < 1240753886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring issues of bounds checking, etc, that could be optimised into static const int __y_lookup[4] = {0,2,42,10323}; int y(int x) {int r=__y_lookup[x]; return r;} < 1240753894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying to work out bounds updating in the ATHR efunge variant.
< 1240753905 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not [3] and [x-1]? < 1240753923 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, that would be a legit implementation as r isn't initialised with a passed-in value other than 1, 2, or 3; that's undefined behaviour, so you can translate it into the alternative undefined behaviour of accessing uninitialised memor < 1240753925 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ehird isn't active atm, i should probably inform you if it's hard you probably have the wrong abstractions and you suck < 1240753925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*memory < 1240753927 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess -Os would do that < 1240753930 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to AnMaster < 1240753944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, [3] and looking it up as (__y_lookup-1)[x] would probably be the most efficient < 1240753954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the linker will optimise the subtraction from a memory address into a constant address < 1240753962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, true < 1240754021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if the compiler ended up with int y(int x) {int r=__y_lookup[x]; return r;} as the final code I would be rather disappointed. < 1240754036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y(int x) { return __y_lookup[x]; } < 1240754040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1240754053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm referring to that particular optimisation, rather than to other optimisations < 1240754060 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, what's the difference, r would be a register anyway < 1240754060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1240754064 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1240754066 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, gcc doesn't need an explicit optimisation there, the two would compile into the same code < 1240754077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it would allocate r to the register which happened to hold the return value of the function < 1240754086 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i'm thinking load-store here, i guess on lesser architectures AnMaster's is faster < 1240754091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, depends on calling convention though. < 1240754097 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sure < 1240754135 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what kind of a convention would yours be better? < 1240754136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets say you have "return on stack" for calling convention. < 1240754149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the system has a "mov" to move between two memory locations directly < 1240754165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is faster than moving first to register and then to the stack. < 1240754179 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what i was referring to by lesser architectures < 1240754181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather contrived example though. < 1240754184 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they might have that < 1240754188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, "lesser"? < 1240754194 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, bad architectures < 1240754197 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know outdated ones < 1240754200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1240754205 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like x86 < 1240754216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually on x86 it wouldn't matter < 1240754224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :integers are returned in eax iirc < 1240754281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :structs and other large things are as usual returned on the stack. All architectures have some upper size limit on parameters/return data before it ends up using the stack. < 1240754290 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err right i didn't know that was actually x86's calling convention < 1240754291 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but okay < 1240754292 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1240754298 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case yours is the same as ais523's < 1240754320 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: where are doubles returned? stack < 1240754321 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1240754327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, depends on if compiler is smart enough to not do "mov memory,register, move register,otherregister" < 1240754337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen gcc do stuff like that at -O0 < 1240754345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/move/mov/ < 1240754358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, either stack of x87 registers. Don't remember. < 1240754388 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 you mean? < 1240754392 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240754394 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably do < 1240754396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no x87 < 1240754398 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1240754399 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okkay < 1240754401 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*okay < 1240754411 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not familiar with that < 1240754414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, that is the floating point bit, even though it isn't a co-processor since ages. < 1240754415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-O0 is very literal minded < 1240754422 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ohh < 1240754446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that still doesn't justify two mov $0,%eax directly after each other IMO. < 1240754451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something I have also seen at -O0 < 1240754471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no I didn't assign the same variable twice. In fact the function didn't use eax in any other place. < 1240754471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x=0; x=0; < 1240754487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my guess is it isn't remembering the value of eax from one command to another at O0 < 1240754495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1240754496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the built-in pattern-match sets it to 0 there < 1240754510 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense it would have such a mode < 1240754514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but why would it store two integers in the same register. < 1240754548 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: would probably need to know context to be able to explain < 1240754651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, back with 386, the 387 was the separate floating point processor you could buy as an add-on. The name x87 stuck for the floating point bit even when it was integrated into the main processor in 486 and later (for brevity I'm ignoring 486SX here). < 1240754696 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: right i may have heard about that < 1240754715 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but umm < 1240754717 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to go study < 1240754718 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1240754720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway it wasn't like that. I think the function was more like: double add(double a, double b) { return a + b; } (used in some threaded code, where threaded means in the Forth meaning of it) < 1240754725 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so bye. < 1240754752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does having a particular value in eax affect the way floating-point addition works, I wonder? < 1240754759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on my experiences on x86, I wouldn't be surprised... < 1240754767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't think so < 1240754819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is the floating point control register though. < 1240754823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is separate. < 1240754832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fctrl iirc < 1240754840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that is what gdb calls it. < 1240754870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mxcsr is the control register for the xmm registers (SSE) < 1240755098 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240755104 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240755118 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240755726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240756805 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1240756894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries working out details for a custom supervisor for the threads
< 1240758071 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240758153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1240758159 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster < 1240758227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm distributed funge space.... < 1240758276 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy_ring < 1240758288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually this won't be possible for that... would need to mirror funge space to each note < 1240758290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :node* < 1240758310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'm working on is simply concurrent non-distributed funge-space < 1240758319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hah < 1240758338 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you'd want a fungy name... < 1240758411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop < 1240758421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, just trying to work out semantics for it. < 1240758517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easiest way is probably one master funge-space server + mirrors. Mirrors send updates back to the master. (So they may be slightly out of sync in all directions, but not much.) < 1240758530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another way would be meshed funge-space with no defined master. < 1240758544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fs2fs (fungespace-to-fungespace) < 1240758577 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.126 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240758586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that sounds interesting < 1240758589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523 < 1240758593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1240758624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523,how would you design distributed funge-space. Slightly out of sync allowed. < 1240758641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Master funge-space server + mirrors. Or f2f? < 1240758647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fungespace-to-fungespace) < 1240758655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably by using Bethunge spreading, and putting one CPU doing each thread < 1240758658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Befunge threading < 1240758671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no, I meant distributed as in a cluster < 1240758676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just the funge-space bit < 1240758678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1240758689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you want this to transparently work on existing programs? < 1240758705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well no, it wouldn't, since they would not be lock-step threaded. < 1240758706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to me that you aren't going to get much (or any) gain unless the program was designed with distribution in mind < 1240758745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm thinking for ATHR. My current design allow SMP but not distributed nodes. < 1240758808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one way would be to go full blown mnesia db (quite a bit of overhead for updates, since it always uses transactions, and restart failed transactions). < 1240758819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would handle the distribution bit for me. < 1240758849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm not going to do it right now. Atm I'm trying to get bounds to work correctly on a *single* node. < 1240758859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind just wandered :) < 1240759011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1240759057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, exact bounds is undefined after ATHR has been loaded. < 1240759258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1240759262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're allowed to do that, because it's a fingerprint < 1240759326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes a very feral one indeed. < 1240759374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil plan: make a fingerprint FAST that has no semantics, but instead allows an interp to do slightly non-conforming things to be faster < 1240759451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, interesting idea. But there is a runtime overhead of checking if the fingerprint has been loaded. Unacceptable. < 1240759452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1240759471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why not just make the fingerprint replace the executable in memory? < 1240759489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that works I guess. But then there is the overhead of doing that ;P < 1240759508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :store cfunge always on a RAM drive, and execute it straight from the drive? < 1240759514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1240759525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway ATHR is in efunge only, not in cfunge < 1240759530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if that's actually possible
< 1240759546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think linux supports executing directly from some devices yes < 1240759578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash mostly. Not with PC interface to flash, rather for more low level interface. < 1240759600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on PCs flash devices use the ATA interface, which doesn't support it. < 1240759620 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there are enough expensive operations for FAST to be of any benefit < 1240759634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y is one of them, it could restrict itself to only the more useful information < 1240759639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or change the semantics to be faster to retrieve < 1240759646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bounds checking, for instance < 1240759680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, you could turn off checking for reflections on invalid input to commands < 1240759684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for cfunge exact bounds is a compile time option. < 1240759686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just assume all input is valid and crash when it isn't < 1240759704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, actually efunge could benefit a bit from that < 1240759724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I have to catch exceptions in , < 1240759742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha: http://www.icfpcontest.org/ < 1240759745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a useful page! < 1240759745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :overhead doesn't seem to be very large though < 1240759796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does fff**, reflect in cfunge? does it in efunge? /should/ it? < 1240759807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it shouldn't in efunge because that's a valid codepoint IIRC < 1240759818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't for cfunge, which uses 8-bit chars again IIRC < 1240759820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why should it... < 1240759828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240759832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's incapable of outputting that character < 1240759856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case of ffffff*****, I would imagine that both should reflect < 1240759857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no it isn't. int putchar(int c); < 1240759872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what putchar does is up to it. < 1240759874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but you're only supposed to pass things in the char range or EOF as arguments to it < 1240759891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... "fputc() writes the character c, cast to an unsigned char, to stream." < 1240759897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... < 1240759911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway I only reflect on EOF on stdout. < 1240759922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in cfunge < 1240759930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, mightn't putc(c,stdout); be faster? < 1240759937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's equivalent, and might be implemented via a macro? < 1240759950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what about using unlocked I/O? < 1240759954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : funge_cell a = stack_pop(ip->stack); < 1240759955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : // Reverse on failed output < 1240759955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (FUNGE_UNLIKELY(cf_putchar_maybe_locked((int)a) != (unsigned char)a)) < 1240759955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ip_reverse(ip); < 1240759961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes? ;P < 1240759967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, aha < 1240759982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you thought of that already, the putchar was just lying to me < 1240759989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is cf_putchar_maybe_locked a macro, by any chance? < 1240759995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cf_putchar_maybe_locked is a macro, it may be unlocked, depending on if OS supports it, and on if Boehm-gc is used < 1240760008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlocked stdio messes up with bohem for some reason < 1240760015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why does cfunge need a garbage colelector? < 1240760018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*collector? < 1240760025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it doesn't, it is an option < 1240760026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since ages. < 1240760030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1240760037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does the option exist, if it doesn't need a GC? < 1240760084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, because once it did and removing it wouldn't save anything. All the code handling it is in a single header. < 1240760097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it is no extra work to just keep the option. < 1240760100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1240760111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's an option nobody would want to use < 1240760120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I test it every now and then. < 1240760131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1240760185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there are other "hidden" options, some meant only for developers (read: me) < 1240760210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL has some options which are probably only useful for developers, but are documented anyway < 1240760212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-DFUZZ_TESTING in CFLAGS is one such. < 1240760255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes cfunge non-conforming by: 1) always making q exit with 0 2) calls alarm() at the start to limit runtime for each fuzz test. < 1240760280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point it also made cfunge output which random seed was used at startup. < 1240760282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food < 1240761271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:49 Deewiant: Meh, I could easily wake up if I set an alarm, I always wake up a few minutes before the alarm (unless I'm /really/ tired) < 1240761276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i set an alarm and then fight it for hours < 1240761288 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fight the lack of an alarm < 1240761308 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is, do you fight it before or after it sets off? :D < 1240761316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1240761330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my alarm is my iphone < 1240761333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turning it off is difficult < 1240761340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally wake up just before the alarm too, but only if I've set it < 1240761343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to slide a little knob on the touchscreen from one side to another < 1240761345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally I rely on my parents to wake me < 1240761354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you do that from bed you just slip or whatever < 1240761368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i generally bash the lock button, which shuts up the alarm for ~9 minutes < 1240761387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly I should disable the lock button < 1240761441 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i use an alarm i make sure to put it out of reach from bed < 1240761442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1240761451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ether convinced me to use perl again < 1240761464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz, y'know, I'm insane. < 1240761476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and masochistic < 1240761499 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest you stop sniffing ether, then < 1240761525 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240761734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does anyone manage to wake up just before the alarm goes off < 1240761735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1240761743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's instinct < 1240761747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :body clock and all that shit < 1240761751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do it first tim < 1240761751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1240761755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just after you get used to the alarm < 1240761758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has been going around search engines and internet directory sites looking up INTERCAL
< 1240761767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I generally have irregular wake up times. < 1240761770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly, Cuil's results are slightly better than Google's in that respect < 1240761778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ... ! < 1240761798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cuil still exists? < 1240761800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1240761802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240761812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they got loads of funding < 1240761823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough to keep them going for years even if they get no hits < 1240761846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cuil.com/info/blog/ < 1240761850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tweaking the image algorithm J.D. Chen, software engineer < 1240761851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apr 15, 04:31 PM < 1240761852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you see the right image, you know it instantly. And if it’s not quite right, you know it right away, too. We’ve gotten lots of feedback on our image work since launch and we really appreciate the input and ideas. We’ve looked, listened and learned, and have made some changes. Today we are rolling out some more changes to our image algorithm that address some of these issues. We hope to find more photos and less title bars, for example. And we < 1240761857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to be able to find more good images from the results themselves. < 1240761859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're posting to their fucking blog. < 1240761865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy lol < 1240761870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the images were nearly all irrelevant on Cuil's results < 1240761884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Search Wikia's aren't too bad, although it has more irrelevant ones than the others it has more relevant ones too < 1240761885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit < 1240761888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comments are all positive < 1240761889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1240761891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the only one to notice CLCLC-INTERCAL < 1240761896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is bizarro world < 1240761899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where cuil is better than google < 1240761903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's because Cuil failed massively on its opening day, because the servers crashed < 1240761916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i konw < 1240761918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :know < 1240761922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't actually as bad as everyone thought it was based on that, although that of course doesn't mean it's better than Google < 1240761922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a citizen of the internet :P < 1240761932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, cuil really is bad < 1240761963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah, the Search Wikia results just keep coming < 1240761973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bottom of the page is dynamically generated I think < 1240761980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, if you keep scrolling down, you keep getting more results < 1240761984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, that technique < 1240761989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1240761991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite like it < 1240761994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering why there were so many < 1240762017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's still finding several relevant ones < 1240762025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clc-intercal < 1240762026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i thought you used noscript? < 1240762030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wikia requires js, right? < 1240762038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immediately after the Malbolge homepage < 1240762042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1240762044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty good. < 1240762045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, using noscript != disabling JS everywhere < 1240762051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but there are lots of other irrelevants too < 1240762061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about 20% relevant scrolled down that far < 1240762069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, about 1 in 5 results look like what I'm looking for < 1240762076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still enough that it's useful, though < 1240762085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google is useless after about page 4 < 1240762097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless your term only really means one thing and it's popular < 1240762108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, search wikia just goes on finding lots of useful results, in addition to the useless ones < 1240762112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of which I've never seen before < 1240762139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scares ais523 with his perl
< 1240762148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly the only language where clean, idiomatic code is scary! < 1240762187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, http://blogs.technet.com/homeserver/archive/2007/05/25/celebrating-35-years-of-intercal.aspx is a useful tidbit of information < 1240762199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1240762201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's asp! < 1240762203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blog software < 1240762204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1240762205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIEEEEEEEEE < 1240762212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd heard (from someone claiming to be Richard Lyon, Jim's brother) that Jim Lyon worked for Microsoft < 1240762217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that, on a Microsoft blog, confirms it < 1240762221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god: < 1240762223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well first, Windows Home Server is written primarily in INTERCAL.* < 1240762223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*This is actually not true. But it would be funny if it were. < 1240762225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PISS OFF! < 1240762231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU EXPLAIN A JOKE LIKE THAT IT'S NOT FUNNY >_< < 1240762241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just make the assumption that your readers are idiots! < 1240762244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a Microsoft blog, though < 1240762253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so their lawyers / marketers probably insisted on it < 1240762275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if jim lyon working at MS is an elaborate prank of his < 1240762343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : File Format: Proprietary file format used by INTERCAL software. < 1240762347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, what? < 1240762363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1240762364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all well and good for a file extension site to decide that .i usually refers to INTERCAL, rather than preprocessed C < 1240762368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "proprietary"? < 1240762369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unix: C-INTERCAL < 1240762370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java INTERCAL < 1240762372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that just because you can't read it? < 1240762373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JAVA INTERCAL < 1240762378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: automated < 1240762386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they see it's just used by INTERCAL, oh, it's probably proprietary < 1240762394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Contains source code written in INTERCAL, a programming language designed to be different than all other major program languages; uses commands such as "DO," "NEXT," "PLEASE," and "FORGET." " < 1240762395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1240762399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO and NEXT aren't very obscure... < 1240762402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the file usage is also wrong < 1240762421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the INTERCAL versions of them don't do the same as those keywords in other languages, though < 1240762424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL DO = C ; < 1240762433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL NEXT = BASIC GOSUB < 1240762434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like prefix ; < 1240762439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not exactly in either case < 1240762443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it helps to get the understanding right < 1240762447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prefix ; is a good explanation < 1240762496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trouble opening .I files? < 1240762497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scan and fix .i file associations with this free scan. < 1240762501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240762511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grumbles; OS X comes with perl 5.8 and if you install perl5.10 w/ macports you have to do "perl5.10" instead of just "perl"
< 1240762511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many file extension errors does your computer have? < 1240762513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You no longer need to guess. < 1240762533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ... < 1240762537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if that program is spyware
< 1240762542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a virus Scam? < 1240762542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I was on face book when all of a sudden, my window closes and a new window pops up saying my PC (even though its a mac), has 9 very critical viruses. I don't know what to do. Also the window had the PC version of the "top" of a window. should I be worried, or just exit out of the window? < 1240762543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it would work here, though < 1240762546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090412154307AAj1DcH < 1240762546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there are many solutions for it. < 1240762562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, such as alias perl=perl5.10 < 1240762566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm allowed to grumble at stupid OS behaviour if I want, TYVM. < 1240762567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a function in the shell < 1240762572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "#!/usr/bin/env perl". < 1240762573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a symlink in ~/bin < 1240762575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is first < 1240762595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do /have/ a registry in here, although I don't know if it has file associations in < 1240762599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put a symlink in ~/bin and make it come before the other perl location in $PATH < 1240762605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: gconf? < 1240762607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the gnome one? < 1240762607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wine has a little registry of its own in case Windows programs want to put entries into it < 1240762610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the Wine one < 1240762614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240762615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: thank you, I'm not an idiot, I know how to use unix < 1240762626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnome has something similar, but it uses .desktop files for file extensions rather than gconf < 1240762631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, don't grumble, give a whistle! < 1240762651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gconf is nice, anyway < 1240762658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the registry is not a fundamentally bad idea < 1240762659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..... < 1240762665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows's implementation is, though < 1240762686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you got the reference at least I hope. < 1240762708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So did I, Mr. An "Just because I got the joke doesn't mean I have to say haha or something" Master. < 1240762719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or should I say An Hypocritical Master...) < 1240762722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, reference != joke < 1240762737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone recognise the program in ? < 1240762773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, wlug < 1240762786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ofb.net/~jlm/intercal.html < 1240762788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The infamous ROT-13 program < 1240762789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, this is it, the ROT-13 program I wrote in INTERCAL because I couldn't get my Pascal to compile on Unix and I didn't know C yet. It's been described on alt.folklore.computers as "4 pages of completely indecipherable code". Two of these stuck together make a decent "slowcat" for viewing VT-100 animations. [Note: Computers have sped considerably since, destroying this vestige of utility.] < 1240762794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... :-D < 1240762802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, iirc it is in pit < 1240762810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I misremember < 1240762849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, could be < 1240762853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lot shorter than 4 pages, though < 1240762896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the page links to rot13.i < 1240762905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the code at the bottom of that isn't rot13.i, it's something else < 1240762917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1240762929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I mixed it up probably < 1240762935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"People who program in Ruby aren't like other coders. We are the artists, philosophers, and troublemakers. We realize that the fringe of today is the mainstream of tomorrow. We grease the engines of progress, even when we're working outside of the machine." < 1240762941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and based on the amount of abstention and reinstatement going on, it would benefit a lot from ONCE/AGAIN < 1240762946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Additionally, our heads are way up our respective asses." < 1240762954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'Cuz we're just so awesome." < 1240762986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what does it do then < 1240762991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it isn't rot-13 < 1240763024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you really think I can tell what an INTERCAL program does just by looking at it? < 1240763036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no < 1240763039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it counts to 10 in TriINTERCAL < 1240763051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you tried it or < 1240763052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't tell that by looking at it, but there was an explanation above the code saying what it did < 1240763053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are the artists, philosophers, and troublemakers. We realize that the fringe of today is the mainstream of tomorrow. We grease the engines of progress, even when we're working outside of the machine. < 1240763054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1240763056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than trying to describe the language, it's probably best to show an example. The code below was written in Tri-INTERCAL: it merely counts to 10. You may also want to see a sample implementation of ROT13 in INTERCAL. Then again, you may not. ("4 pages of completely indecipherable code", according to its author.) < 1240763103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240763138 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1240763152 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast det var ju inte författaren som tyckte det, utan alt.folklore.computers < 1240763168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw syntax highlighting of intercal code in kate. was worried there... but it was just highlighting it as "Progress" whatever that is. < 1240763169 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wrong language, never mind :) < 1240763191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I can read that :P < 1240763194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, http://www.brendangregg.com/Guess/guess.i < 1240763203 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I like quantum INTERCAL better than threaded INTERCAL < 1240763211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ITRALCEN combines them. < 1240763215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly autogenerated < 1240763223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you sure? < 1240763223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's redundant REINSTATEs in there < 1240763228 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah, I know :P < 1240763229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which nobody would do deliberately < 1240763253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I would prefer non-synced threaded intercal < 1240763256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in really async < 1240763259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: shall I explain ITRALCEN's (my hypothetical implementation of INTERCAL) threading model? it acts the same to the end user but it's all based around one operation, ais523 liked it a lot when I told him < 1240763261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of lock-step < 1240763267 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1240763267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's so boring < 1240763269 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1240763273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: mwahaha < 1240763279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not guarantee your prolonged sanity. < 1240763279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, lock step is even more boring < 1240763285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe not < 1240763293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the start of the program contains ABSTAINs and REINSTATEs that cancel each other out < 1240763300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably just to confuse the reader < 1240763311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it sets up a table of constant strings < 1240763320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: C-INTERCAL uses "mostly lock-step" < 1240763338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, it's unspecified whether a COME FROM costs a step or not < 1240763346 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ehird, you didn't solve my Enigma puzzle :( < 1240763347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does any program try to depend on it being "mostly lock-step"? < 1240763348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because I gave up trying to figure it out < 1240763360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, the modern C-INTERCAL hello world on Esolang does < 1240763364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: IT'S OVER! I WANT A DIVORCE! < 1240763365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahem < 1240763373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really being paying attention to enigma lately < 1240763387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that would make using the full potential of a cluster rather hard. < 1240763401 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lock-step sounds pretty easy to reason about though... it's supposed to be hard, right? < 1240763405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: err, C-INTERCAL wasn't designed for distributed computing? < 1240763410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no! < 1240763414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL is supposed to be /different/ < 1240763424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's allowed to be easy, just most of the easy ways to do things have already been used < 1240763432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where it gets its reputation of difficulty < 1240763442 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay < 1240763467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some things, though, like ONCE/AGAIN/ABSTAIN for multi-thread synchronisation, are really neat but I haven't seen them before < 1240763468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ok, you need eintercal ("einter" pronounced as "eynter") < 1240763491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe entercal would be funnier < 1240763493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :---> Installing perl5.10 @5.10.0_3+threads < 1240763505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you installing 5.10? < 1240763512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err < 1240763514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can mess around with the ~~ and // operators? < 1240763518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has many nice features? < 1240763527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, new operators, that 'switch' thing < 1240763531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or because Apple borked their Perl packaging again and you decided to upgrade while you fixed it? < 1240763533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1240763542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.8 is unmaintained too, IIRC < 1240763546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ is the only 5.10 new feature I've actually used < 1240763549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my aim after I get ATHR working (and working on smp vm too, which should be just the same as non-smp vm) is to make efunge support distribution. < 1240763564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, Modern::Perl requires it < 1240763624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Modern::Perl"? < 1240763629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I have concurrent async bounds updating worked. < 1240763632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :working* < 1240763633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240763656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least as far as I can currently test it. < 1240763656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1240763657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our $VERSION = '1.03'; < 1240763657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use 5.010_000; < 1240763659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use strict; < 1240763661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use warnings; < 1240763663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use mro (); < 1240763665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use feature (); < 1240763667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub import { < 1240763669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : warnings->import(); < 1240763671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : strict->import(); < 1240763673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : feature->import( ':5.10' ); < 1240763675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mro::set_mro( scalar caller(), 'c3' ); < 1240763677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1240763678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240763679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://search.cpan.org/~chromatic/Modern-Perl-1.03/lib/Modern/Perl.pm < 1240763681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1240763683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit longer than I expected < 1240763685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam! < 1240763685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1240763693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34 ehird: that's a bit longer than I expected < 1240763693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34 ehird: oh well < 1240763694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blind! < 1240763720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm < 1240763722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : spam! < 1240763724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's a bit longer than I expected < 1240763726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16:34 ehird: oh well < 1240763731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1240763736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that last was a mispaste < 1240763739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, AnMaster, internet lag exists. thank you for that. < 1240763748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, stop calling me blind then < 1240763753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you in advance. < 1240763758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop < 1240763758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1240763769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypocrite then < 1240763773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1240763807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cpan2dist is a commandline tool to convert any distribution from CPAN into a package in the format of your choice, like for example .deb or FreeBSD ports. " < 1240763810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck yeaaaaaaaaaaah < 1240763854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder how well it works... < 1240763872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck it, I'm compiling my own perl to /opt/perl < 1240763891 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1240763960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if cpanplus has a "shut the fuck up and install the package, bitch, I don't care if you're following dependencies" option. < 1240763962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPAN needs that. < 1240763980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, perl has its own configure system < 1240763982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1240763985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1240764026 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird++ < 1240764034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% ./Configure -des -Duse64bitall -Dusethreads -Dprefix=/opt/perl < 1240764047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how this system will fail! < 1240764061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably interestingly, with lots of fire. < 1240764061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey, perl has its own configure system <-- you haven't noticed it before? < 1240764071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240764080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't compiled perl before. < 1240764115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most people haven't compiled Perl before < 1240764135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Larry Wall had a Grand Vision from God, where he was told to make his own, amazing configuration system - and lo, it shall be The Most Divine Configuration System that Man has ever seen. < 1240764151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ld warning: in /opt/local/lib/libgdbm.dylib, file is not of required architecture < 1240764151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/sh: ./try: Bad CPU type in executable < 1240764153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program compiled OK, but exited with status 126. < 1240764155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a problem. Shall I abort Configure [y] < 1240764157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. Stopping Configure. < 1240764159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1240764161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it links against non-64 bit libs < 1240764166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so scratch 64 bit < 1240764199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, need some option then < 1240764203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wut < 1240764216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if you want it to link against 64-bit ones < 1240764223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there is no 64 bit version of it < 1240764225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it failed < 1240764226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :library path or such < 1240764229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1240764234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that sounds strange... < 1240764239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: meh < 1240764247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, does 64 bit linux do -m64 by default w/ gcc? < 1240764249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is OS X mostly 32 bit or 64 bit userland. < 1240764253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 bit < 1240764258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snow leopard is 64-bitizing < 1240764264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, on x86_64 -m64 is default < 1240764270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1240764272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think -m32 is default on some other arches. < 1240764274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-m32 is default on os x < 1240764278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even on 64 bit < 1240764280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, sparc iirc < 1240764308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the reason is that on x86 the 64-bit thing adds lots of other nice stuff, not just longer pointers. < 1240764327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "more memory needed" isn't only reason for 64-bit binaries, like it is on some platforms. < 1240764330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Perl needs is to kick Perl 6 dead and to mostly rewrite perl(1). < 1240764333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, someone published patches to Perl which added INTERCAL operators to it < 1240764349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, in that case DNF will finish first. < 1240764362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: err... have you seen how slow perl 6 development is? < 1240764363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, patches... can't you do such stuff in pure perl. < 1240764367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time. < 1240764371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think so < 1240764372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, you can't define new infix operators < 1240764375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it all the madder < 1240764378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240764380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but defining new operators doesn't work < 1240764386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not within the language < 1240764395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean after seeing perligata and acme::brainfuck and such < 1240764398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever the names were < 1240764422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you use a source filter, and that would imply you had to be able to parse Perl < 1240764422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless your source filter interprets Perl too < 1240764425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: perligata is a source filtr < 1240764427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*filter < 1240764428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1240764431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah < 1240764435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, syntax extending source filters exist < 1240764436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at this stage, you have to reimplement Perl inside your filter < 1240764437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it IS possible < 1240764441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why not just patch Perl to begin with < 1240764442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not replacing < 1240764443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extending < 1240764460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: none of them really work really properly, though < 1240764468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either they fail in corner cases, or have weird restrictions < 1240764470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how does MooseX::Declare work, I wonder? < 1240764483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of Moose works just by defining functions < 1240764490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240764492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not moosex::declare < 1240764499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : class BankAccount { < 1240764499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : has 'balance' => ( isa => 'Num', is => 'rw', default => 0 ); < 1240764500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : method deposit (Num $amount) { < 1240764502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $self->balance( $self->balance + $amount ); < 1240764504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1240764506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1240764507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know MooseX::Declare < 1240764508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is moosex::declare < 1240764514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's considered a best practice from what I can tell < 1240764520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use B::Hooks::EndOfScope; < 1240764520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use Devel::Declare (); < 1240764524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I regret wondering already < 1240764534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err what < 1240764536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it mentions B::? < 1240764539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, not B < 1240764544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is B:: < 1240764549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Perl compiler internals module. < 1240764551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooks to Perl's internals < 1240764551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240764563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, Lovecraft is a fluffy kitten. < 1240764566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok can't you add new operators that way < 1240764570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240764573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1240764577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, for being perl. < 1240764597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, Perl thinks it's parsing a procedure call, but this hooks up to } and rewrites the expression if it's a moosex::declare thing < 1240764617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a best practice it's pretty scary < 1240764627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uurgh < 1240764635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OTOH, that's transparent < 1240764647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could suddenly use a lovely new perl syntax extension mechanism that's just been introduced < 1240764652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the usage wouldn't change < 1240764653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why B btw. B as in "Binternal"? < 1240764668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bompiler"? < 1240764677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It refers to an internal perl thing I think < 1240764678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like SV < 1240764683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Svar? < 1240764685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The B module supplies classes which allow a Perl program to delve into its own innards. It is the module used to implement the "backends" of the Perl compiler. Usage of the compiler does not require knowledge of this module: see the O module for the user-visible part. The B module is of use to those who want to write new compiler backends. This documentation assumes that the reader knows a fair amount about perl's internals including such things as SVs, < 1240764687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPs and the internal symbol table and syntax tree of a program. < 1240764689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B and O < 1240764691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they just wanted a short name < 1240764696 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B for backend < 1240764701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, SV: is what l10n Outlook puts instead of RE:... < 1240764712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(l10n to Swedish) < 1240764715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SV means scalar value/variable < 1240764717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget which < 1240764717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no other client seems to translate it. < 1240764720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1240764735 0 :ais523_!i=93bc93e6@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-20659cf4c06b62a6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240764739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523_ < 1240764740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523 < 1240764741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240764744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1240764748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION make test
< 1240764751 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb me < 1240764761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you last see? < 1240764769 0 :ais523__!n=ais523@147.188.254.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240764774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240764777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1240764778 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : in this case Perl thinks it's parsing a procedure call < 1240764780 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi ais523__ < 1240764784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240764789 0 :ais523__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, this computer is Internet-connected again < 1240764790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we talked about why B's named B after that < 1240764796 0 :ais523__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B for Backend, isn't it? < 1240764804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : B for backend < 1240764810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but why the short name? < 1240764831 0 :ais523__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because it's used a lot inside the compiler itself? < 1240764844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, golfing namespaces... < 1240764856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Note: Wolfram asked us to refrain from posting screenshots, so we will not use any in this post." < 1240764858 0 :ais523__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:50] anyway, I found a blog post that explained what Wolfram Alpha actually did, rather than hinting < 1240764860 0 :ais523__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:50] http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/wolframalpha_our_first_impressions.php < 1240764861 0 :ais523__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:50] although it's very fanboyish < 1240764864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw what is Devel:: < 1240764865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523__: Snap! < 1240764868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other one listed there < 1240764870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a regular namespace < 1240764876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Devel::Declare sounds scary < 1240764883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Devel::Declare - Adding keywords to perl, in perl < 1240764886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1240764892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from its source: < 1240764893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use B::Hooks::OP::Check; < 1240764901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, my instincts are right! < 1240764907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240764914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1240764949 0 :ais523__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1240765040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alpha is built on top of 5 million lines of Mathematica code which currently run on top of about 10,000 CPUs (though Wolfram is actively expanding its server farm in preparation for the public launch)" < 1240765042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240765056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot more than I would have expected. < 1240765060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how else will they deal with the billions of people using it every second with a brain implant? < 1240765064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram's always been one for scaling up rather than improving his algorithm, IMO < 1240765069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240765088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean 10,000 sounds like more than I would expect google to use... < 1240765091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe around that. < 1240765097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the general concept is, it's Mathematica plus a giant database plus a natural language interface < 1240765106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: srsly? google has millions < 1240765123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so if the bat is out of the cag can you finally reveal exactly what it is? :P < 1240765127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're effectively just doing database lookups through it, although they can be rather complicated < 1240765128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yep < 1240765132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaaaaaaay < 1240765136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have been just now < 1240765153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well wouldn't it be more ram and disk intensive. < 1240765156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for google < 1240765158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, I suppose < 1240765163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heck no < 1240765174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they have to do lots of index lookup stuff every request < 1240765176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bat is out the cag"? that is one weird idiom... < 1240765184 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cage < 1240765184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a spoonerism < 1240765185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get why people compare it with Google, even though Google and Alpha can both be used to determine information < 1240765187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of cat out of the bag < 1240765197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google finds websites, Alpha is a massive database < 1240765206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so does it actually work? < 1240765226 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1240765227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1240765239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't get to type any queries into it myself < 1240765243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it does I wouldn't use it; relying on anything Wolfram is touched sounds like an insanely bad idea to me < 1240765249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has touched < 1240765254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently because the sandboxing wasn't working back then < 1240765266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they didn't trust me not to bring down their servers, presumably it's been improved since < 1240765279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "];System["rm -rf /"];Print[" < 1240765289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, but I'm pretty sure that wouldn't work < 1240765304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i bet the parser is just a huge gob of string replaces < 1240765305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are they going to make money from it < 1240765311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: advertising mathematica < 1240765312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there is that pro version < 1240765315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which costs thouasnds < 1240765316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thousands < 1240765318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to do somethign that takes their CPU more than a few seconds, you have to pay < 1240765323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that also. < 1240765330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, even so I doubt most users would buy it < 1240765333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, moose had multi methods! < 1240765335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1240765336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has < 1240765336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you know how slow Mathematica is < 1240765339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: most users don't buy anything. < 1240765343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1240765353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't agree with the business model anyway < 1240765360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's mostly because I believe selling bits is immoral < 1240765384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, damn you. I can't call you a hypocrite for saying that any longer. < 1240765389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you are planning to change to Linux < 1240765390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1240765394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1240765402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ehird doesn't mind selling /all/ of it < 1240765407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: huh? < 1240765409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1240765411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1240765411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1240765414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant digital bits < 1240765416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240765417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I suspect you knew that < 1240765420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240765423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I didn't < 1240765426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1240765436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oerjan would have been proud of that pun. < 1240765439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think apple could open source all of OS X without much business damage < 1240765443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I understood ehird meant digital bits. < 1240765451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in the case of Alpha, they're jealously guarding their database I think, all you get to do is query it < 1240765452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they'd be selling their hardware + a precompiled, presetup system < 1240765457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which just about everyone would still pay for < 1240765471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1240765477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then they wouldn't be the only people doing OS X < 1240765477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only people like me would go to the bother of compiling it to avoid paying < 1240765483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they'd lose a selling point < 1240765484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and they would get lots of developers for free < 1240765488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes what ais523 said < 1240765490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, someone would be bound to port OS X to commodity hardware < 1240765492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: true, but they'd always have the nicer curves on the hardware < 1240765504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and - applecare. < 1240765505 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah selling the stuff that come from people's actual work is immoral, it's okay to get money for whatever physical objects your machinery is able to produce. < 1240765507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are Apple fanboys addicted to the hardware or the software, I wonder? < 1240765508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people really value having a support line < 1240765510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the service? < 1240765517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hardware and software IME < 1240765521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I assume that was sarcasm? < 1240765525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can buy support for dell too iirc < 1240765525 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1240765542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1240765554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wolfram will release toolbars for FF and IE, as well as an IE8 accelerator" < 1240765556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240765557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1240765561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: still, most people would go through apple for the pretty hardware, the assurance that they certainly know how to set up OS X, and the support direct from them < 1240765564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does an accelerator has to do with it < 1240765568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally, I think it'll be a whole load of work for the Wolfram people to keep their massive database up to date < 1240765581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alpha will come in a free version, but there will also be a paid version, which will allow users to download and upload data to Alpha" < 1240765583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1240765583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to imagine Google, except instead of indexing other people's sites they wrote the entire Internet by hand
< 1240765590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't wait for the first alpha trolls < 1240765604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy alpha, insert bogus data, ???, lulz < 1240765604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think the pretty hardware bit wouldn't be a major selling point, considering the current state of economy, people prefer "cheap" < 1240765610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many people pay money just to troll? < 1240765623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's probably a few < 1240765635 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that would be much better < 1240765651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1240765654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: cheap people don't buy macs. < 1240765671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% /opt/perl/bin/perl -M'5.010' -e 'say 2+2' < 1240765671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1240765676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1240765678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right, what about the mid-segment though < 1240765688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I would assume they tracked who did it and discarded such data, and if the problem became widespread probably limit it in some way. < 1240765691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: apple don't make any profit from the mid-segment as it is, so they would not lose anything < 1240765695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe mark it is as "not verified" < 1240765707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different background colour or whatever. < 1240765749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the only reason I would ever consider a mac would be mac os... think of the colour matching and typography < 1240765761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're not most people < 1240765804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: one interesting point is that Apple are the only major retailer to sell near-silent computers < 1240765810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the mac mini to the mac pro < 1240765817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about those who use mac for this reason, I'm talking about people designing ads or newspapers and such < 1240765819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs the fuss it takes to get a quiet PC < 1240765840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where mac is still rather common < 1240765849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :desktop publishing < 1240765853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they're well-off money-wise, in general, so they'd probably just buy an iMac and get it all for no fuss straight from apple < 1240765867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe < 1240765876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody uses Dell's Ubuntu computers, really, either < 1240765891 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do! < 1240765906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: you are statistically insignificant. :) < 1240765955 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one of the reasons I bought it was to affect the statistics < 1240765964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240765965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try being a few thousand more people < 1240765980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so you are not going to vote? < 1240765987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you get old enough I mean < 1240765997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never said that did I? < 1240766010 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster's trying to draw an analogy, I think < 1240766011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well are you going to or not < 1240766016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1240766026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I vote just to change the statistics? No. < 1240766045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, don't bother. Your vote isn't going to change anything. < 1240766048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I'd tend to vote for someone who has a hope in hell of winning. < 1240766057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's not a good analogy < 1240766067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voting for the purpose of changing the statistics isn't what voting's meant to be < 1240766069 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240766076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is. You could consider ais523_ "voting" for the product. < 1240766080 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, all that's needed with the Dell computers is for them to make a profit on them, and they'll keep going < 1240766084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't going to remove a best seller < 1240766084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could consider that but you'd be wrong < 1240766092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, exactly < 1240766098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voting to make someone win isn't the point < 1240766109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd like that, but you vote because that's what you think is right. note that this doesn't actually apply IRL < 1240766114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's certainly the original intent of voting < 1240766115 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't need to outnumber the Windows computers or anything like that, just to sell enough of them that Dell's money spent on getting Ubuntu saleable was well-spent < 1240766129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, yes exactly. < 1240766139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running [/usr/bin/make test ]... < 1240766139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /opt/perl/bin/perl "-Iblib/lib" "-Iblib/arch" test.pl < 1240766140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Features present: preput 1 getHistory 1 addHistory 1 attribs 1 ornaments 1 appname 1 minline 1 autohistory 1 newTTY 1 tkRunning 1 setHistory 1 < 1240766143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flipping rl_default_selected each line. < 1240766145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enter arithmetic or Perl expression: exit < 1240766147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the fuck, CPANPLUS? < 1240766149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1240766151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you want me to enter? < 1240766153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exit"? < 1240766164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's testing readline. < 1240766166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, 2+2. < 1240766174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tada, installed. < 1240766178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no it is enter as in Shakespear < 1240766179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it didn't even yell at me. < 1240766181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Enter Hamlet" < 1240766184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1240766187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Enter arithmetic" < 1240766201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION % cpanp i Moose
< 1240766205 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Enter x or y" doesn't make much sense in that context < 1240766207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpanp is rad. < 1240766208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Excuant(sp?) Hamlet and arithmetic" < 1240766218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like cpan except less than 100 pages of output < 1240766223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it actually works < 1240766238 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, I forgot how much I hate windows < 1240766249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I heartily recommend compiling a perl in /opt/perl owned by your user, cpan actually works then < 1240766254 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and am annoyed at being forced to use it for something for the University < 1240766255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, clearly it is a modern play. An analogy for quantum mechanics. < 1240766265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enter Hamlet OR Ophelia < 1240766268 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what, really? I thought nothing made CPAN actually work < 1240766276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION "s conf prereqs 1; s save" ← Yes, cpanplus, install dependencies automatically.
< 1240766277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: really < 1240766286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so yes it makes sense. < 1240766287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no worrying about root ownership or anything because you just run everything as your user < 1240766296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whereever it decides to put it works, since it's all owned by you < 1240766302 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :permissions and dependencies are the two main problems < 1240766305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1240766310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: use cpanp(1), not cpan(1) < 1240766315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in cpanp: < 1240766319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s conf prereqs 1; s save < 1240766324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will make it automatically chase dependencies < 1240766333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it doesn't do dependencies by default..? < 1240766333 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the problem is it thinks dependencies are installed even when they aren't < 1240766337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it asks you. < 1240766340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240766344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: yes, I've never had that problem < 1240766346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPANPLUS probably fixes it < 1240766349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's a different codebase < 1240766352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(= cpanp) < 1240766399 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a CPAN++ is sorely overdue < 1240766403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240766406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the name of cpanplus < 1240766407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1240766410 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, that actually works /even if/ the user doesn't jump through hoops < 1240766418 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: CPANPLUS only has one plus < 1240766423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CPAN++ interface (of which this module is a part of) is copyright (c) 2001 - 2007, Jos Boumans . All rights reserved. < 1240766425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— perldoc CPANPLUS < 1240766427 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, < 1240766430 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPAN+=3 then < 1240766445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling perl is, thankfully, quite easy < 1240766459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the interactive configure is highly annoying though < 1240766465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: -des < 1240766467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240766477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were doing something crypto related < 1240766484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1240766504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though insanely insecure < 1240766521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd /opt && sudo mkdir perl && sudo chown ais523:ais523 perl && cd perl && wget http://www.cpan.org/src/perl-5.10.0.tar.gz && tar xf perl-5.10.0.tar.gz && cd perl-5.10.0 && ./Configure -des -Dusethreads -Dprefix=/opt/perl && make test && make install && cd /opt/perl && rm -rf perl5.10* < 1240766523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ↑ < 1240766527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :untested, but that's the gist of it < 1240766536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240766540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then cpanp\ns conf prereqs 1; s save\n^D < 1240766543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're set < 1240766547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, after putting /opt/perl/bin in your path < 1240766547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :efunge already have multiple user interfaces.... kind of < 1240766549 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.126 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240766550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1240766554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1240766557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding a web interface to efunge would be trivial < 1240766559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:22 ehird: cd /opt && sudo mkdir perl && sudo chown ais523:ais523 perl && cd perl && wget http://www.cpan.org/src/perl-5.10.0.tar.gz && tar xf perl-5.10.0.tar.gz && cd perl-5.10.0 && ./Configure -des -Dusethreads -Dprefix=/opt/perl && make test && make install && cd /opt/perl && rm -rf perl5.10* < 1240766560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:22 ehird: ais523_: ↑ < 1240766562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:22 ehird: untested, but that's the gist of it < 1240766563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the built in tool server thingy < 1240766565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:22 ehird: then cpanp\ns conf prereqs 1; s save\n^D < 1240766566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:22 ehird: and you're set < 1240766568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:22 ehird: well, after putting /opt/perl/bin in your path < 1240766573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Module 'Moose' installed successfully < 1240766574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No errors installing all modules < 1240766576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1240766578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without prompting! < 1240766580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what do you think about that < 1240766591 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1240766592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for batch jobs only, unless I bother with ajax < 1240766600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, adding a web interface to efunge would be trivial < 1240766613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1240766622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% cpanp i MooseX::{Declare,Types,MultiMethods} Modern::Perl < 1240766622 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go ahead < 1240766626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :la de da duh < 1240766634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, meh. I guess it isn't insane enough < 1240766635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy < 1240766646 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Implement TRDS and then we'll talk < 1240766683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, distributed befunge with SNMP and failover support in case primary funge space server fails, one of the mirrors takes over as new master? < 1240766684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1240766687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that < 1240766694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not even esoteric < 1240766702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just boring shit + vaguely esoteric language < 1240766705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is a parody < 1240766707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240766710 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that boring shit < 1240766716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parodies have to in some way differ from their target... < 1240766716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not boring < 1240766718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather interesting < 1240766727 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think implementing distributed stuff is kinda fun < 1240766734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I didn't say *what* it was parody on. < 1240766740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but not esoteric < 1240766765 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Not in itself, no. That doesn't make it boring shit < 1240766767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes since there would be a fingerprint to control this inside efunge then < 1240766784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :distributed befunge nodes < 1240766790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I was being hyperbolic to demonstrate the unesotericity. < 1240766803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ERROR] Unable to create a new distribution object for 'Devel::Declare' -- cannot continue < 1240766804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ERROR] Failed to install 'Devel::Declare' as prerequisite for 'MooseX::Declare' < 1240766805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ERROR] Unable to satisfy prerequisites for 'MooseX::Declare' -- aborting install < 1240766807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ERROR] Unable to create a new distribution object for 'MooseX::Declare' -- cannot continue < 1240766808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using erlang as the underlying distribution model < 1240766814 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saying "that's not even esoteric" isn't enough, you have to insult as well? :-P < 1240766825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you are talking to ehird < 1240766828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you expect < 1240766829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Do you know nothing about me? :) < 1240766850 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm hoping there's some sensible reasoning behind it all < 1240766851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the hormones. < 1240766862 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was never an asshole, even at that age :-P < 1240766876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, nor was I. But I remember lots who were in school. < 1240766887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be noted that I'm rarely serious. < 1240766920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ais523: I think CPAN thinking things are installed when they're not is packages not declaring their dependencies properly < 1240766927 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're being an asshole it doesn't really matter whether you're serious or not. < 1240766938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, it's because it's tried to install them in the past, but failed < 1240766947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason it thinks the install succeeded when it does that < 1240766950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why then do you act like I'm serious. I mean, do you think I'm serious when suggesting a web control panel for a befunge interpreter. < 1240766954 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1240766960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't see why not < 1240766965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1240766965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Insofar as you would do it and find it amusing, yes. < 1240766975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an insane thing to do, but no less insane than writing a Befunge interp in the first place < 1240766999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true. But you would need a control panel for a massively distributed befunge system anyway. < 1240767010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with colour coded status page! < 1240767022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :showing load percentages and what not. < 1240767054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually in this case it just doesnt' have the deps declard < 1240767056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go fig < 1240767059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*declared < 1240767063 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That'll be very boring without a program that can actually stress them all < 1240767067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in any case this functionality would just be a thin wrapper on the top of stuff erlang already provides. < 1240767074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah I would have to figure out some. < 1240767077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, wow, KDE's file selection dialog now automatically tab-completes even if you don't press tab < 1240767082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that's helpful or not < 1240767095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't sure if there are any KDE4 users here atm
< 1240767098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the one in 3.5 does too < 1240767100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how is it new < 1240767100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you mean just like firefox? < 1240767102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC AnMaster's sticking with KDE3 < 1240767103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, ABSOLUTELY! < 1240767113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like pressing needless keys < 1240767119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, firefox shows a list of suggestions < 1240767123 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Implement the better version of MVRS we were trying to turn MVRS into? < 1240767127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, wait < 1240767130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas KDE just fills in all letters that couldn't possibly be different < 1240767131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :safari selects the first by default, see < 1240767137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot FF doesn't < 1240767143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, say you have files abcde, abfgh, and bei in a directory < 1240767144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, maybe, once ATHR is done. They would be compatible certainly. < 1240767153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you type a then you get ab, if you then press c you get abcde < 1240767167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, a lot of what I'm working on for ATHR would be needed for MVRS too anyway. < 1240767176 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1240767178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yar, that's nice < 1240767193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my main problem now.... < 1240767196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, it's installing now < 1240767205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://erlang.org/doc/man/supervisor_bridge.html < 1240767205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll probably take me a bit of getting used to, if I decide to use KDE for anything other than getting the wireless working < 1240767210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figure out how to do that properly < 1240767218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here know of a good back-to-front font, by the way? < 1240767231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea for making KDE work like Gnome is to switch the default font to be back to front, then mirror the screen < 1240767240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can't you just mirror the rendered text < 1240767244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it seems to be similar in UI paradigm, just reflected < 1240767252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :-D < 1240767266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can't you customise it to work the other way around < 1240767268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1240767268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome < 1240767269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1240767272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240767275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's talking about kde. < 1240767277 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-66-121.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1240767279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1240767280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making kde look like gnome. < 1240767281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1240767285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could do it I bet < 1240767287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, making it /act/ like Gnome < 1240767289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why would you want it < 1240767291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't much care how it looks < 1240767291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think Gnome is better than KDE these days. Heck, even linus switched to gnome (srs) < 1240767309 0 :WangZeDong!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-66-121.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1240767309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: wasn't that because his favourite Linux distro screwed up KDE4 packaging? < 1240767310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, rendering font back to front wouldn't help. You would need to make all the features work back to front. < 1240767318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, he insulted the kde devs iirc < 1240767323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why slereah's using the nick WangZeDong
< 1240767323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being unfocused or somethin < 1240767324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1240767332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: presumably because of "wang" and "dong" < 1240767379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you know where the "visible bell" setting is in KDE4? < 1240767382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this computer has a really annoying beep < 1240767403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait your computers beep? < 1240767404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for shells? < 1240767404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1240767413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==> Auto-install the 1 mandatory module(s) from CPAN? [y] < 1240767415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err...yes? < 1240767417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you to? < 1240767420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, gawd. < 1240767421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or all the other things that beep < 1240767423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing shells out to cpan. < 1240767425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why not just pipe yes into it? < 1240767427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To install its dependencies. < 1240767430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for anything beeping due to readline < 1240767432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set bell-style none < 1240767433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, most modules do that < 1240767434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cpanplus doesn't prompt < 1240767434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in inputrc < 1240767435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cpan does < 1240767439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it wasn't a readline beep < 1240767443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1240767444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** Since we're running under CPANPLUS, I'll just let it take care < 1240767444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : of the dependency's installation later. < 1240767447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clever! < 1240767450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm in KDE 3.5 it is in kcontrol < 1240767452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1240767491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, under system notification < 1240767493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1240767501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something similar for KDE 4 < 1240767580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, found it, under Accessibility < 1240767671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240767677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since we are discussing that... < 1240767712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea why shift 5 times in a row turns my numerical keyboard into a mouse... < 1240767721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with all Accessibility options turned off < 1240767731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very irritating < 1240767744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something else, I have no clue what, sometimes make my keys slow. < 1240767757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only thing that helps is xset led on && xset led off < 1240767762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some very unknown reason < 1240767770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why xset would help there < 1240767774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the leds I mean < 1240767782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's an accessibility keyboard shortcut to turn accessibility features on < 1240767786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's sticky keys < 1240767788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :search for htat < 1240767790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think you're muddling the shortcut < 1240767790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to turn it off < 1240767797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but I tried to turn off all such options I found everywhere! < 1240767807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift * 5 causes modifier keys to work like dead keys rather than hold down < 1240767819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboard like a mouse is alt-shift-numlock < 1240767821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well how do you prevent that from happening < 1240767826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I need shift 5 times < 1240767828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in games or such < 1240767830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC there's another option to turn off the shortcuts < 1240767839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what sort of game would use shift as an input? < 1240767849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240767851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most < 1240767855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ehird said < 1240767862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know they do, I just disapprove < 1240767864 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift toggles running in Doom and Quake < 1240767872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I turned off the "enable shortcuts" < 1240767877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it *still* doesn't help < 1240767895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all I know it might be in X itself < 1240767898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than KDE < 1240767900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1240767917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I want all such features off. But I don't know how < 1240767932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm used to MouseKeys! < 1240767938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the touchpad on this laptop doesn't actually work < 1240767955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm kind-of surprised you use a mouse at all < 1240767963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given you're the sort of person who edits conffiles by hand < 1240767978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, How would I use gimp without a mouse. < 1240767990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the command-line version < 1240768001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for non-batch operations < 1240768014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, you can do any interactive operation as a batch operation < 1240768017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just write the commands in one at a time < 1240768032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, some are better done with a mouse < 1240768039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone remember hotjava? < 1240768048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, like removing dust from a scanned image. < 1240768050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't < 1240768057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1240768059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an awful web browser made by sun written in java < 1240768064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite the rage in the 90s < 1240768072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you don't need a mouse for that; just a cloth or something to remove the dust from the scanner < 1240768090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but how will the mouse survive? < 1240768092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs food... < 1240768094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but there are other stuff you can't do that way, like damaged photos... < 1240768099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dust works well < 1240768112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just put one in your scanner < 1240768116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-oh < 1240768118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ask it not to nibble the things you scan < 1240768126 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you mean it's not really a mouse, but a giant mite? < 1240768133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's a dust mouse < 1240768133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, try correcting a photo that has been partly water damaged < 1240768137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it is faster with a mouse < 1240768145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to kill a crashed minimized program < 1240768150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and accidentally killed the panel instead < 1240768151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so is editing and many other things < 1240768159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: F2 < 1240768161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome-panel < 1240768163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enter < 1240768166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes. Vector images too < 1240768167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, alt-f2 < 1240768168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: KDE, not gnome < 1240768173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just bitmap images < 1240768178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of alt-f2, but don't know what KDE's panel is called < 1240768180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: kicker < 1240768186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should I say < 1240768188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kpanel < 1240768193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronounced kuhpannel < 1240768194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not in KDE4 iirc < 1240768204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240768205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plasma < 1240768207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kpanel doesn't work, kicker brought up a font configuration dialog box for no apparent reason < 1240768211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's plasma < 1240768221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE 3 is kicker < 1240768224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also handles the widget things < 1240768224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, that worked < 1240768260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should stop assuming KDE works like Gnome...
< 1240768260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1240768274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one know how to fully turn off these mad input features < 1240768280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240768282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sticky keys < 1240768283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffs < 1240768286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is turned off < 1240768289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1240768291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask #kde. < 1240768301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think they care about KDE 3.x nowdays < 1240768309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upgrade < 1240768311 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"KDE obviously works like a Kobold" < 1240768313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240768319 0 :_mut_!n=_mut_@ANantes-258-1-72-32.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1240768337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, to a tiling wm. Good idea. < 1240768345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :desktop environment != wm. < 1240768359 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Desktop environment = pointless. < 1240768361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. But I tried KDE 4 and I didn't like it. < 1240768362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tiling wms are unergonomic, so they'd probably fit you. < 1240768365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was 4.2 < 1240768372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can make it look like kde 2, you know. < 1240768382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can you make it *act* like that too < 1240768387 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1240768394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it already does to a large degree. you can probably make it do so even more. < 1240768419 0 :_mut_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1240768800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Module 'MooseX::Declare' installed successfully < 1240768800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Module 'MooseX::Types' installed successfully < 1240768801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Module 'MooseX::MultiMethods' installed successfully < 1240768803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Module 'Modern::Perl' installed successfully < 1240768805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No errors installing all modules < 1240768885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does Modern::Perl do? < 1240768909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240768930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34 ehird: our $VERSION = '1.03'; < 1240768930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34 ehird: use 5.010_000; < 1240768931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34 ehird: use strict; < 1240768933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34 ehird: use warnings; < 1240768935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34 ehird: use mro (); < 1240768937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34 ehird: use feature (); < 1240768939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34 ehird: sub import { < 1240768941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34 ehird: warnings->import(); < 1240768943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34 ehird: strict->import(); < 1240768945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34 ehird: feature->import( ':5.10' ); < 1240768947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34 ehird: mro::set_mro( scalar caller(), 'c3' ); < 1240768949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34 ehird: } < 1240768951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34 ehird: http://search.cpan.org/~chromatic/Modern-Perl-1.03/lib/Modern/Perl.pm < 1240768953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean my flood was for nothing? < 1240768955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1240768957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't know it'd be a flood first time round, in my defense) < 1240768966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I was disconnected at the time < 1240768986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just a "use all features of the most recent Perl", it seems < 1240769003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "enable strict/warnings/best method call resoltuion thang" < 1240769008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also the intent is to have more modules in future < 1240769010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like moose and whatnot < 1240769090 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree. < 1240769201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: with thwat? < 1240769204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what? < 1240769223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240769234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the "sub import" function about < 1240769240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: import hook < 1240769241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean what is the point of it. < 1240769249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it imports those modules in the importer's scope < 1240769251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of just in itself < 1240769253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240769256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1240769263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the mro::set_mro( scalar caller(), 'c3' ); < 1240769270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :method resolution order < 1240769289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://search.cpan.org/~rgarcia/perl-5.10.0/lib/mro.pm < 1240769289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://search.cpan.org/~flora/Class-C3-0.21/lib/Class/C3.pm < 1240769291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ perldoc feature < 1240769291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No documentation found for "feature". < 1240769292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240769297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the feature one do < 1240769309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1240769313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl --version < 1240769320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is perl, v5.8.8 built for x86_64-linux < 1240769324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get 5.10 < 1240769330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but what does it do < 1240769333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.8 is many, many years old and not recommended for future use < 1240769335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm going to when it goes stable < 1240769338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and modern::perl doesn't work with it < 1240769340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on this distro < 1240769342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it is stable < 1240769349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1240769350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAME < 1240769350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : feature − Perl pragma to enable new syntactic features < 1240769354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240769360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like import from future < 1240769367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only for syntax < 1240769370 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oklofok: with thwat? <<< let's just say if it wasn't obvious, i was unlucky. < 1240769372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1240769390 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what, although i'm not sure whether it's an error when quoting, i guess not < 1240769410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should have quoted my correction < 1240769416 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1240769418 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually < 1240769431 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm copying a reference and not the actual data < 1240769441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe you should have quoted my correction <-- like this? --> *what? < 1240769441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we need IRC references < 1240769445 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a reference to the context, and not just that specific thing you said < 1240769446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all messages have a guid < 1240769450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can do [&guid] < 1240769452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1240769455 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes hyperlinks would be nice < 1240769459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[&f7834d] ← this is kinda stupid imo < 1240769467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be a reply to f7834d < 1240769487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, rather short GUID < 1240769497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: locally unique id, then < 1240769508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wouldn't work for anyone but you then < 1240769511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240769512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one month uniqueness guarantee. < 1240769516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they loop < 1240769517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better idea: urn < 1240769526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not convenient enough < 1240769531 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's urn < 1240769536 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :URN < 1240769544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urn < 1240769552 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urrrn < 1240769560 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just give me a button to press < 1240769567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ click here for cake ] < 1240769568 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O < 1240769574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't press Deewiant's! < 1240769576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc://server/channel//uniqeid < 1240769576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it removes all cake < 1240769578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe < 1240769582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's not an urn < 1240769583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every sender should lable it < 1240769599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why not < 1240769603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :label* < 1240769605 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :migh, i'll just google. < 1240769605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Resource_Name < 1240769608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's just not < 1240769624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah yes. I meant URI. < 1240769627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfart. < 1240769629 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(botany) The theca of a moss. <<< i'll go with this < 1240769656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's official: Windows 7 to be released this week!" < 1240769659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fast < 1240769662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240769693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are breaking with traditions. No longer "release late, release seldom" < 1240769694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1240769710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they have broke with the tradition of backwards compatibility < 1240769720 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means a release candidate, not a release < 1240769728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by mistake < 1240769728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so windows 95 apps won't have any chance of running < 1240769734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're putting an integrated XP virtualizer in the higher-end editions so they can break XP compatibility) < 1240769736 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "release seldom" is not their tradition < 1240769737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7's meant to be just a backwards-compatible as Vista is < 1240769737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, aaah! < 1240769747 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah? < 1240769750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the integrated virtualiser isn't because they meant to break compatibility, just because they did, IMO < 1240769762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes, about it being a rc not a final < 1240769764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, mightn't it lead to XP's security problems, I wonder < 1240769765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1240769765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I don't consider hotfixes releases < 1240769768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, some of windows 7 looks good to me so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. < 1240769770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes release seldom < 1240769771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not even in there by default < 1240769774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to download it < 1240769778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240769780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on the higher end ones < 1240769782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? < 1240769786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the higher end ones need a download < 1240769788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stil < 1240769788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1240769791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lower end ones don't allow it even with a download < 1240769792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact is that some xp apps won't run < 1240769796 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Their tradition is to release a Windows every 3 or so years. < 1240769801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether it's intentional or not, that means that they can start breaking compatibility < 1240769805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes that is seldom < 1240769817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'm used to a release per year at least. < 1240769827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: many open source projects are much slowr < 1240769828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowre < 1240769830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slower < 1240769842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well nethack *does* skew the average. < 1240769844 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's a complete OS + desktop environment + bunch of other stuff < 1240769853 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, lessee < 1240769858 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1990 - 3.0 < 1240769859 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1992 - 3.1 < 1240769865 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1993? - NT 3.1 < 1240769870 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1994 - NT 3.5 < 1240769882 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1995 - 95 < 1240769886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tests for 'PAR::Dist' failed. Would you like me to proceed anyway or should we abort? < 1240769886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proceed anyway? [y/N]: < 1240769887 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1996 - NT 4.0 < 1240769893 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1998 - 98 < 1240769894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Perl. < 1240769896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, err < 1240769898 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2000 - ME, 2000 < 1240769901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, wasn't 98 in 1999 < 1240769902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1240769908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240769910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 jun 98 < 1240769912 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 98SE was. < 1240769914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really hm < 1240769917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1240769920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone remember 98 PLUS! < 1240769923 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But I thought you didn't consider hotfixes releases. :-P < 1240769928 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway < 1240769929 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2001 - XP < 1240769941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1240769943 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2003? - 2003 < 1240769959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2003 wasn't really an official release < 1240769962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for desktop < 1240769964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just server < 1240769968 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to say that < 1240769970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had to do serious hacking to get it to be desktopy, IIRC < 1240769977 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The break in tradition comes here < 1240769979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I remember plus < 1240769980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name < 1240769984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, XP is a dinosaur < 1240769986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember what it was though < 1240769987 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since desktop releases: < 1240769989 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2001 - XP < 1240769996 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007 - Vista < 1240769997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just added wallpapers and sound packs and shit XD < 1240770002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1240770003 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006 actually < 1240770007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 2009 - 7 < 1240770012 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1240770014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not 7 by any counting methods < 1240770015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1240770017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1240770027 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's Windows NT version 7, isn't it? < 1240770032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1240770036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.something, internally. < 1240770038 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.2? < 1240770044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counting Windows versions, no way is it 7 < 1240770049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you just ignore ones arbitrarily < 1240770053 0 :nooga!n=marysia@86-63-113-154.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1240770059 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame < 1240770066 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.1, 95, 98, 2000, XP, Vista, 7 < 1240770071 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counting the only usable ones ;-P < 1240770078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1240770083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240770090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ME < 1240770092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used ME < 1240770094 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1240770098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me i should say < 1240770098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you added two unusable there < 1240770104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: which < 1240770104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 and 98 < 1240770105 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and now you're using Mac? :D < 1240770110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course ME was worse < 1240770110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 and 98 are fine < 1240770111 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98 was very usable < 1240770115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Me was many, many years ago. < 1240770116 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 I can't remember much of TBH < 1240770118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, blue screen < 1240770125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ur doin it rong < 1240770132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 was incredibly stable, 98 was too < 1240770139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me was hilariously bad. < 1240770142 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSX, ME same < 1240770153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i thought you agreed to go away < 1240770153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1240770172 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh < 1240770172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 95 and 98 tended to crash as soon as any single program did < 1240770183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did 3.1 of course < 1240770183 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just hating OSX for fun < 1240770192 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh - it's superior < 1240770194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but by 95 they should have got that right < 1240770203 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But anyway, as you can see the traditional time between releases is actually around 1-2 years, not even the 3 like I said. < 1240770209 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/like/that/ < 1240770225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you are counting different product lines there < 1240770227 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost true bsd with shiny gui - who needs more < 1240770231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9x and NT were different product lines < 1240770235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't make sense < 1240770235 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes and? All desktop ones < 1240770236 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSX is a superior product to Windows Vista. However, I use neither and I hate Apple's guts even more than Microsoft *shrug* < 1240770245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple worse than MS? < 1240770247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a new one. < 1240770265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, why not count office too. and uh, their other products < 1240770268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't make much sense but there you go < 1240770281 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because they're completely different things? < 1240770283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, really NT and 9x had different development teams iirc. < 1240770285 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more specifically, I hate Steve Jobs) < 1240770289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so are NT and 9x < 1240770295 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, they are both OSs. < 1240770305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ok, so you forgot CE then < 1240770316 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not for desktops. < 1240770318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW COULD YOU! < 1240770328 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm being sensible. < 1240770345 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best thing: < 1240770346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ok, but NT was for workstations, 9x for home users. Both desktop yes. But totally different < 1240770348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuthin' wrong with steve jobs < 1240770353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :('part from cancer) < 1240770362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that is an equally arbitrary limitation. < 1240770370 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So should I count the different versions of XP and Vista separately? :-P < 1240770378 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means they did almost 10 releases in a single year! < 1240770395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes, that is equally flawed. As I said. < 1240770398 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION works in a company where every employee has MS exems passed, certified experts, premium msdn shit available, VIP MS support
< 1240770400 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1240770402 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1240770403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest you base it on product line < 1240770410 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all folks there carry macbooks < 1240770414 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iphones < 1240770420 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Then it's around 2-3 years. < 1240770424 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all developments goes on macs < 1240770426 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240770440 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: How often has Linux made a major release? < 1240770440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes. < 1240770442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that is one seriously visible bell < 1240770448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: twice < 1240770456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, they stopped doing that model even after 2.6 < 1240770461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Feelable Bell should cause a minor earthquake in your vicinity. < 1240770461 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Exactly. ;-) < 1240770462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it filled the entire screen red for half a second < 1240770473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but you are wrong < 1240770484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you are comparing a kernel + desktop env to a kernel < 1240770487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't make sense < 1240770495 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I thought that was what you were doing? < 1240770499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, better compare windows to ubuntu < 1240770502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case < 1240770504 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that you were all "it should release more than once per year" < 1240770505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1240770508 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er < 1240770508 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=.= < 1240770509 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not more than < 1240770517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, "at least" yes < 1240770540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use Modern::Perl; < 1240770540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use diagnostics; < 1240770541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use utf8; < 1240770543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use MooseX::Types; < 1240770545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use MooseX::Declare; < 1240770547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway, compare kernel + DE to kernel + DE. This means compare NT to ubuntu or NT to red hat or such < 1240770547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1240770572 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should build a framework for building OSes < 1240770574 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then < 1240770583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oskit < 1240770586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists < 1240770596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, no, NT's a kernel < 1240770597 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unavailable and dead < 1240770600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows is a kernel + DE < 1240770602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also XP isn't a major release. it was NT 6.1 in fact < 1240770605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240770606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.1 < 1240770606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even < 1240770607 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 5.1. < 1240770611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... < 1240770618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're being wrong on purpose; stop that. < 1240770621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so if you count major releases... < 1240770641 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEKS is superior to all OSes < 1240770644 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of x.y as a major release actually < 1240770663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, then linux kernel made a lot more than windows nt < 1240770671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are comparing kernel to os anyway < 1240770687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ubuntu made a lot more than windows if you are comparing os to os < 1240770715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you make symlinks in Dolphin? < 1240770721 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu just aggregates incremental upgrades < 1240770722 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write equations for that < 1240770741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, sure. but comparing a kernel to a full OS is just plain wrong. < 1240770759 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not doing that. < 1240770774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes and different product lines < 1240770775 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plain kernel is full wrong < 1240770777 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying that Ubuntu's releases are mostly like what you'd call Windows "hotfixes" < 1240770788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, control-shift-drag works, just like it does in Windows < 1240770794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if the same shortcut works in Gnome
< 1240770799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, in the same style as combining 9x and NT you should combine ubuntu, redhat, mandrake, suse, slackware, and so on < 1240770801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1240770804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: SPs, more like < 1240770806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: they also upgrade all the software on the system too < 1240770807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the desktop editions though < 1240770816 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes: I said "what you'd call". < 1240770816 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah < 1240770819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1240770822 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it please < 1240770824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and things like Paint and Calculator normally only upgrade every few releases < 1240770826 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Don't be stupid. < 1240770833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of Windows, that is < 1240770835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, same thing as you suggested. < 1240770837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :de < 1240770840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1240770841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the other way around < 1240770841 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not even close. < 1240770843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: he can't, it's inherent < 1240770846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calculator was upgraded with Vista, but before that I think it was the same since 95 < 1240770846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1240770855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nah, it changed in xp < 1240770855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1240770859 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did, yes < 1240770862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1240770870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it change in 7? < 1240770870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notepad < 1240770874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about notepad < 1240770876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I know, maybe it has a ribbon now! < 1240770882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything changed in 7 < 1240770884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1240770889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah < 1240770910 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notepad is just an edit control < 1240770913 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION , as a certified MS expert (sic) has got 7
< 1240770920 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a textbox + file save/open < 1240770945 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no, it won't have a ribbon. :-P < 1240770946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, simple search too < 1240770949 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 is quite nice, copared to other naziOSes < 1240770954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and cut/copy/paste < 1240770959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it is feature rich! < 1240770965 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cut/copy/paste is not a feature of notepad < 1240770970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, perl startup time is slow when you add stuff < 1240770975 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works with any textbox < 1240770975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the menu entries are. < 1240770982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other than that yeah < 1240770983 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sure < 1240770987 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "wait, perl is booting" < 1240770992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what about the search then < 1240770996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm serious, it rivals java < 1240771008 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"knock knock... who's there?" < 1240771010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% time mx-run HelloWorld >/dev/null < 1240771010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mx-run HelloWorld > /dev/null 0.75s user 0.06s system 99% cpu 0.823 total < 1240771012 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all textboxes can do search too, I'm not sure < 1240771013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: heard it. < 1240771019 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"- perl" < 1240771019 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that it's not usually enabled < 1240771020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what are you adding to perl making it so slow < 1240771021 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how was calculator upgraded in vista? < 1240771025 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could be completely wrong though < 1240771028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: some Moose shit < 1240771037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1240771046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can't you AOT compile it at all < 1240771052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1240771053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if no, someone should add that < 1240771059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, like python's *.pyc < 1240771068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you can't really do that with perl afaik < 1240771073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1240771075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, inherently < 1240771077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be useful for you < 1240771080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1240771381 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are/have-been all kinds of compilation-related Perl things, but I don't think I've personally ran across any that has proceeded past the experimental stage. In any case, with Perl it's pretty much just the parsing step you could do ahead-of-time. < 1240771412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not even that, in many cases! < 1240771416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with prototypes around < 1240771429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with Perl6, this is all going to be different < 1240771430 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-067-088.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1240771433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't use string ("4") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at < 1240771434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAT < 1240771444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you attempted to dereference a string < 1240771448 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?@ < 1240771450 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?! < 1240771452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't work in other languages either < 1240771455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah nope < 1240771457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I did ->{foo} < 1240771459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of {foo} < 1240771469 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?#@?#!? < 1240771471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you did attempt to dereference, you just didn't mean to attempt to dereference < 1240771476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: do you not know Perl? < 1240771483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's mocking perl, probably < 1240771491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering how funny he usually is (ie not) < 1240771493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Perl doesn't look like that < 1240771500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it has lots of symbols and is line noise < 1240771501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA HA! < 1240771515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually nooga was funny here. < 1240771523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... no he wasn't < 1240771524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the typical confusion on first seeing perl < 1240771538 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you hate me because i'm Polish ;< < 1240771538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Perl's way more readable than INTERCAL! < 1240771540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just dense < 1240771540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm sorry, that's even less funny than "I STARTED VI AND THEN IT BEEPED HA HA" < 1240771560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, your quote is very funny, but only because of context < 1240771569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it's funny that you're using that particular quote in an amusement comparison < 1240771586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say (...) interpreted as function at HelloWorld.pm line 24 (#1) < 1240771586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (W syntax) You've run afoul of the rule that says that any list operator < 1240771587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : followed by parentheses turns into a function, with all the list < 1240771589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : operators arguments found inside the parentheses. See < 1240771591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlop/Terms and List Operators (Leftward). < 1240771592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but perl wasn't designed as an esolang < 1240771596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how "use diagnostics" patiently tells you why perl is being stupid < 1240771598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is one yes < 1240771602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not! < 1240771602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that wasn't the intention < 1240771607 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: oppose! < 1240771611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :entry on esolang wiki < 1240771622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, "Perl is hard to read and looks like line noise, ha ha". can you all go back to #kindergarden? < 1240771648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, perl fanboy < 1240771655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, writing printf ("Hello, world! %d"), 42; doesn't work in C either < 1240771670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but "printf "abc", 42;" doesn't work in c < 1240771695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1240771722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that Perl tries to simultaneously support two incompatible syntaxes for function calls, so it has to pick one interpretation when it's ambiguous < 1240771726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which confuses people who intended the other < 1240771764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prefers an easy to parse language
< 1240771836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you do "use constant FOO => ('a'=>2,'b'=>3)", how do you access the members? < 1240771841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FOO){'a'} doesn't work < 1240771858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, you can't assign a list as a constant, that just stored 3 in FOO < 1240771861 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{} and [] should be [] < 1240771867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want use constant FOO => {'a'=>2,'b'=>3} < 1240771873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can do FOO->{'a'} < 1240771877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so < 1240771888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :store a hashref, not a list constant < 1240771891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: lists = hashes < 1240771965 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm? < 1240772056 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240772174 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no sense in discerning [] from {} < 1240772176 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf ("Hello, world! %d"), 42; <<< doesn't C have the comma operator? < 1240772182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1240772183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that is valid < 1240772184 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a index operator < 1240772189 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an* < 1240772211 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there should be just one syntax for indexing arrays and calling functions < 1240772219 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that that was what you meant ofc) < 1240772243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how do you turn a ref into a real again? < 1240772246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%{foo} doesn't work < 1240772282 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is it a form of sarcasm to intentionally misunderstand something and agree, to tell someone you disagree with them?) < 1240772297 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: :O < 1240772311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: yes < 1240772337 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually i guess that's kinda obvious) < 1240772348 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm) < 1240772349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: into a real what? < 1240772354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hash < 1240772359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%{MESSAGES} doesn't work < 1240772361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%$ref if the ref is stored in $ref < 1240772365 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please inform me when your discussion will achieve level that'd be suitably low to invite me again < 1240772379 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay? < 1240772403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's stored in a constant < 1240772425 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: low like what? < 1240772437 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :low like hell < 1240772440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: %{MESSAGES()}, I suspect < 1240772453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you could also write as %&MESSAGES < 1240772464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :constants are IIRC implemented as functions returning a constant value < 1240772467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you couldn't < 1240772471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%&FOO syntax erar < 1240772477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1240772482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%{&FOO} works < 1240772488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, aha < 1240772493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how weird and inconsistent of Perl < 1240772508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% ./hello-world --help < 1240772508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: help < 1240772509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usage: mx-run ... HelloWorld [long options...] < 1240772511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : --style One of k&r, modern < 1240772519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU HELLO v3.2 < 1240772567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~/Code/scraps/2009-04/hello-perl] % ./hello-world --style 70s < 1240772567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO WORLD < 1240772568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~/Code/scraps/2009-04/hello-perl] % ./hello-world --style 'k&r' < 1240772570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, world < 1240772572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~/Code/scraps/2009-04/hello-perl] % ./hello-world --style modern < 1240772574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1240772576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott Hird is brillant. < 1240772588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k&r didn't have a comma in, IIRC < 1240772594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1240772595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right you are < 1240772621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's perl style develops further
< 1240772635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo" is strings you're printing out or that are otherwise for show < 1240772646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'foo' is for things like defaults, is => 'ro', hash keys, arguments to modules, etc < 1240772694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know why < 1240772821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAEB had implicit is=>'ro' for ages < 1240772823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they removed it again < 1240772830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it was implicit is=>'rw' < 1240772850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/458830.txt?key=n2prm1hae8gvnrcpvvmuca ← Unholy best practices perl h ello world. < 1240772863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hello < 1240772875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs some word on the error it gives when you pass an unknown style; you get a stack backtrace. < 1240772894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any progress on Feather < 1240772959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, other than more thoughts < 1240772961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no code or spec to show < 1240772997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1240773047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"RAM memory of 96 MBytes is recommended to run OTP on NT. A system with less than 64 Mbytes of RAM is not recommended." <-- hard to believe this is actually part of the documentation for a program released this month. < 1240773057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess no one looked at that part for years < 1240773096 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it? < 1240773111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: have you ever read emacs documentation? < 1240773115 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the level < 1240773121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have "pointer keys", you may use them to navigate the text. < 1240773124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a rich terminal, ... < 1240773124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Not all of it < 1240773130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a graphical display environment, ... < 1240773133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit like that's all over the tutorial < 1240773136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes some of those sound familiar < 1240773145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the last one... < 1240773147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is valid < 1240773157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. it's really not < 1240773160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you don't ssh to servers a lot? < 1240773167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not comparable < 1240773172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1240773173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you're meant to use tramp < 1240773177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using emacs remotely is discouraged < 1240773180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have X on a 1U server < 1240773191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tramp+ < 1240773192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1240773195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240773200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you not know about tramp? < 1240773208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you edit remote files with a local emacs < 1240773212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240773224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :app-emacs/tramp I see < 1240773231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the core... < 1240773237 0 :WangZeDong!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1240773241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think distro split it out then < 1240773336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://erlang.org/doc/embedded/part_frame.html is rather funny to read. Like a blast from the past. < 1240773386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~/Code/scraps/2009-04/hello-perl] % time ./hello-world>/dev/null < 1240773388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./hello-world > /dev/null 0.67s user 0.05s system 95% cpu 0.756 total < 1240773390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you think that's slow enough? < 1240773396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, gnu hello is in macports's mail category < 1240773402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it is protected by the GNU General Public License, < 1240773402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :users are free to share and change it. < 1240773407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protected indeed. < 1240773407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu hello... < 1240773410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1240773413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you don't know? < 1240773414 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1240773418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -t, --traditional use traditional greeting format < 1240773419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -n, --next-generation use next-generation greeting format < 1240773420 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :embedded solaris sounds fun < 1240773421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -m, --mail print your mail < 1240773423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not a joke) < 1240773425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it actually reads your mail.) < 1240773437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is not in gentoo portage < 1240773441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: complain! < 1240773442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU Hello is used as a test of packaging and build processes < 1240773446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why < 1240773452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: GNU hello is a vital program! < 1240773457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's got very bloated with people testing improvements < 1240773469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in fact vital, not to have installed, but as somewhere for people to learn packaging < 1240773472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a test of how much the gnu project can inadvertently describe itself < 1240773514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1240773516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macports only has 2.1 < 1240773519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 2.4 is out < 1240773563 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macports=darwin ports? < 1240773572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darwin ports was the name in, uh, 2005? < 1240773598 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1240773813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1240773821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supervisor_bridge makes no sense < 1240773998 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang (BEAM) emulator version 5.2 [source] [hipe] < 1240774010 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it called an emulator? < 1240774034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, why not. It is a virtual machine though. < 1240774038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway 5.2 is old < 1240774041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very old < 1240774046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't be able to run efunge < 1240774052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang R13B (erts-5.7.1) [source] [64-bit] [rq:1] [async-threads:4] [hipe] [kernel-poll:true] < 1240774052 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1240774054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is < 1240774067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, get a newer one lots of reasons. < 1240774069 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1240774103 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, i'm just reading papers from erlang.org < 1240774109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240774134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, which one mentioned hipe btw < 1240774177 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://erlang.org/doc/getting_started/part_frame.html < 1240774184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240774194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, which page in it < 1240774203 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah shit < 1240774203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses those horrible frames after all < 1240774206 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :frames < 1240774210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240774222 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just closed the window, sry < 1240774228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~/Code/scraps/2009-04/hello-perl] % ./hello-world --style < 1240774228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Option style requires an argument < 1240774229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usage: mx-run ... HelloWorld [long options...] < 1240774231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : --style One of 70s, bizarro, k&r, modern, scrambled, suicidal, verbose < 1240774233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloatware! < 1240774240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "bizarro" < 1240774248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1240774254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastebin them < 1240774259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% ./hello-world --style bizarro < 1240774259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Farewell, moon! < 1240774267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is an important one missing < 1240774272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random < 1240774283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good idea! < 1240774286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION adds that
< 1240774292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1240774296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just called an AnMaster idea good < 1240774297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit < 1240774297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, random as in selecting a random style, not a random string < 1240774302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1240774303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240774318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what are suicidal and verbose < 1240774400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1240774596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ais523: http://pastie.org/458855.txt?key=1newk9lsd5z1nquivta (note: two separate files, see comments) < 1240774623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comments where < 1240774629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the paste < 1240774633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :## filename (instructions) < 1240774637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1240774640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpanp i Modern::Perl MooseX::Declare MooseX::Getopt MooseX::Types # this gets you all dependencies apart from MooseX::Runnable < 1240774644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for MooseX::Runnable: < 1240774654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I thought you meant comments as in "reply to this paste" < 1240774660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since it was pure text < 1240774665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpanp i Module::Install < 1240774669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :git clone git://github.com/jrockway/moosex-runnable.git < 1240774672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd moosex-runnable < 1240774676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl Makefile.PL < 1240774677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make < 1240774680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make install < 1240774693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ./hello-world still gives an error that it can't find a module, "cpanp i" it. < 1240774698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, that's all a fuss < 1240774703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully moosex::runnable will be on cpan soon < 1240774710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, idea: olde english variant < 1240774718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: patches welcome! < 1240774719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1240774729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "hullo, world"? < 1240774732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that maybe < 1240774741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hulloe, thine Worlde! < 1240774752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thine < 1240774754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean < 1240774755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1240774766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err "Hello, yes world" < 1240774767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it means something incorrect in this context. < 1240774771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it sounds olde. < 1240774778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hulloe, thine Worlde, delights thee!" < 1240774784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I meant genuine olde < 1240774794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But genuine olde english was very... well, regular. < 1240774796 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240774802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Other languages welcome, btw. < 1240774820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Swedish: Hej världen! < 1240774835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Would "Hej, världen!" be correct? < 1240774841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nop < 1240774844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translations should probably follow "Hello, world!" unless it's unidiomatic < 1240774845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1240774859 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be closer to "Hey, it's the world" or something, I think < 1240774864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1240774870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wow! The world!" < 1240774873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: fi? < 1240774886 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240774887 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Terve, maailma!" is the traditional one, I think < 1240774898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway världen == the world, but using "värld" there would make it completely garbage < 1240774919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So you can't say Hello world in swedish? :P < 1240774920 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always wandered how they are able to write posts like on http://www.99chan.org/gent/ < 1240774926 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wondered* < 1240774937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "Hello the world" sounds about as strange in English as "hej värld" does in Swedish. < 1240774949 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :witaj świecie? < 1240774951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no ¨s? < 1240774959 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Nope :-P < 1240774971 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want, "Päivää, maailma" < 1240774977 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~"Good day, world" < 1240774988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'swedish' => sub { "Hej världen!" }, < 1240774988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'finnish' => sub { "Terve, maailma!" }, < 1240775018 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240775063 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the fi version the comma is very essential; "Terve maailma!" would mean "A healthy world!" < 1240775070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1240775083 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet, that's the more traditional version, I think < 1240775101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i always wandered how they are able to write posts like on http://www.99chan.org/gent/ <-- that is a reverse parody on 4chan right... < 1240775117 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling for terve maailma gives only commaless versions on the first page of results < 1240775118 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think it is used as a hello-world-translation; but without the comma I just parse it as "healthy". < 1240775139 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add more languages ehird < 1240775146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: gimme some then < 1240775151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "hello world" == healthy? < 1240775157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BLINK* < 1240775159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the rate this is going I'll be putting up Acme::HelloWorld < 1240775167 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: < 1240775169 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: fi:terve is both the greeting and the adjective "healthy". < 1240775170 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Terve" means healthy < 1240775174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240775174 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Witaj Świecie!" < 1240775180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so healthy world then < 1240775180 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polish < 1240775183 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The greeting's underlying meaning is something like "be in good health" < 1240775190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: what about "Hello, world!" < 1240775193 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, nobody cares about such in practice :-P < 1240775198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Witaj, świece! ? < 1240775202 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody just uses it as a greeting < 1240775219 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, Witaj świecie! < 1240775225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, most languages don't use a , there. Sorry to disappoint you. < 1240775229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: THEY SHOULD :P < 1240775232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, he is trying to add a , there < 1240775233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wide character in subroutine entry at HelloWorld.pm line 46." < 1240775237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yyyyeeessss...? < 1240775242 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :witaj, świece = i order you to greet candles < 1240775251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1240775261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, how did candles end up meaning world < 1240775264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1240775271 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://helloworldsite.he.funpic.de/hello.htm#Human < 1240775271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't make sense < 1240775274 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :world = świat < 1240775287 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polish Witaj, Swiecie! < 1240775288 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when you talk to the world you say 'świecie' < 1240775292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: the fuckin' other scripts are images :-| < 1240775298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, but why did you say "Świecie" then? < 1240775303 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and świece = many świeca, świeca = candle < 1240775308 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Huh? < 1240775311 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes < 1240775312 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some are < 1240775314 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some aren't :_P < 1240775316 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/_/-/ < 1240775328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arabic one is text < 1240775336 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's Ś < 1240775337 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Moi maailma!" is another Finnish alternative which is harder to misinterpret, since 'moi' isn't really overloaded, but it's not the canonical form. < 1240775339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Persian too < 1240775351 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Yes, I figured you'd get it right < 1240775364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, ah so the upper case S matters < 1240775375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1240775377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dot over s < 1240775382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1240775385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1240775386 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedish Hejsan världen! < 1240775404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, no, "Hej världen!" is the canonical one < 1240775419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hejsan världen!" would be more like: "Yo, world!" < 1240775420 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am quoting the page, correct it not me < 1240775420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1240775421 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English Hello World! < 1240775425 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No comma there, for instance. < 1240775460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://helloworldsite.he.funpic.de/hello.htm#BIT < 1240775461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1240775494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's by the irregular web comic guy < 1240775498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240775505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BIT is an esoteric programming language invented by David Morgan-Mar that treats all data like C treats strings. The language is strongly typed, with two variable types: bit and address-of-a-bit. < 1240775508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/bit.html < 1240775509 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/bit.html < 1240775513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: snap < 1240775514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1240775521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you was first here < 1240775524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same second though < 1240775677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*were < 1240775688 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no address-of-address? < 1240775697 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GNU hello translations are "Terve maailma!" for fi, "Hej, världen!" (with the comma) for sv. < 1240775709 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU? < 1240775714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240775722 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU has that hello world application, you know. < 1240775728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that , makes it mean "hey, the world" < 1240775732 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll gladly not know. < 1240775742 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, well, you can file a bug report or something. :p < 1240775742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look there the world! quick before he runs away! < 1240775749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not worth it < 1240775754 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: GNU hello can check your emails. :p < 1240775775 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure. :-P < 1240775779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: < 1240775786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: GNU hello is a vital program! < 1240775786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so it's got very bloated with people testing improvements < 1240775786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it is in fact vital, not to have installed, but as somewhere for people to learn packaging < 1240775814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, if you read the channel... < 1240775817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it really can < 1240775817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-m < 1240775835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does it have an info page < 1240775837 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What? < 1240775841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1240775846 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes, as I said, I'm sure. < 1240775846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, man page < 1240775851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240775861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what do you mean with "what" here < 1240775877 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I mean, what was the point of pasting that and saying that to me < 1240775903 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, the Debian "hello" package is compiled without the mail-reading support. :/ < 1240775919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the thing you asked about recently had already been discussed a short while before < 1240775922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some hours or so < 1240775948 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~$ hello < 1240775948 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1240775948 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~$ hello -t < 1240775948 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, world < 1240775949 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~$ hello -n < 1240775951 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+---------------+ < 1240775953 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| Hello, world! | < 1240775956 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+---------------+ < 1240775958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-n < 1240775958 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fIt is the most useful program evar. < 1240775959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-t < 1240775959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1240775966 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's "t" and "n" for "traditional" and "next-generation" greetings. < 1240775968 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So you were responding to "GNU?" from two minutes earlier? :-P < 1240775973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240775984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes < 1240776004 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I just didn't connect it since we had both said 2+ lines after that < 1240776032 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also --greeting command-line attribute you can use to specify the greeting; so you can use "hello -g foo" instead of "echo foo" in many cases. < 1240776053 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the Finnish one tells the user to use UTF-8 < 1240776057 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Huom: Parhaan näkymän saat käyttämällä UTF-8-merkistöä.] < 1240776057 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :┌────────────────┐ < 1240776057 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :│ Terve maailma! │ < 1240776057 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :└────────────────┘ < 1240776071 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's that line-drawing thing. < 1240776080 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW < 1240776081 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1240776088 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The translation .po files instruct translators to use UTF-8 line-drawing characters and add that note. < 1240776102 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the untranslated doesn't? :-P < 1240776115 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no. < 1240776119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1240776121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : __ __ ____ __ ____ < 1240776121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : / / / /__ / / /___ _ ______ _____/ /___/ / / < 1240776121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : / /_/ / _ \/ / / __ \ | | /| / / __ \/ ___/ / __ / / < 1240776121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : / __ / __/ / / /_/ / | |/ |/ / /_/ / / / / /_/ /_/ < 1240776123 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How pointless < 1240776125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/_/ /_/\___/_/_/\____/ |__/|__/\____/_/ /_/\__,_(_) < 1240776130 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240776134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1240776141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is nore next generation < 1240776146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in font style < 1240776149 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#. TRANSLATORS: Use box drawing characters or other fancy stuff < 1240776149 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#. if your encoding (e.g., UTF-8) allows it. If done so add the < 1240776149 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#. following note, please: < 1240776149 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#. < 1240776150 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#. [Note: For best viewing results use a UTF-8 locale, please.] < 1240776173 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fi translator has left out the "please" part. < 1240776181 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsurprisingly. < 1240776192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why "Unsurprisingly" < 1240776202 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not translatable. < 1240776214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, why < 1240776216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1240776219 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no explicit "please" in Finnish. < 1240776223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you ask someone nicely then < 1240776228 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just ask. < 1240776235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://pastie.org/458885.txt?key=ppzch1ett4abshfhtoyja new release < 1240776237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, then what about asking rudely < 1240776240 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would sound rather unnatural to translate it, more like. "Ole hyvä ja ..." could do it, still. < 1240776258 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You add expletives. < 1240776261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1240776271 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I guess that's not even necessary rude in many contexts. < 1240776273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedish use "tack" for both "thank you" and "please" < 1240776273 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finns are untalkative < 1240776283 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, unlike other people, Finns are polite by default. :-P < 1240776289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, *gasp* < 1240776294 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1240776303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does gnu hello have all the exciting variants of mine? < 1240776304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1240776305 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once i've defined that i am polite < 1240776308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you all using it then? < 1240776312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: does yours read mail? < 1240776318 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an tried to speak without all that please, here you are, etc < 1240776323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's for version 2 < 1240776327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, make your read usenet < 1240776329 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it turned out i'm extremely rude < 1240776329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of mail < 1240776330 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::df < 1240776344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it should be a web browser < 1240776345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: is that a vim command? < 1240776362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if there is any news group for ASCII porn
< 1240776365 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's deformed ":D" < 1240776366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1240776376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone else got my prog to work? < 1240776387 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU hello has the translations: bg, ca, da, de_DE, de, el, eo, es_AR, es, et, eu, fa, fi, fr, ga, gl, he, hr, hu, id, it, ja, ka, ko, lv, nb, nl, nn, pl, pt_BR, pt, ro, ru, sk, sl, sr, sv, tr, uk, vi, zh_CN, zh_TW. < 1240776394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: those aren't variants < 1240776404 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it was again just a comment, not a reply. < 1240776409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% ./hello-world --style random < 1240776409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hulloe, thine Worlde, delights thee! < 1240776410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you should mark all the English ones with english, like english-modern < 1240776411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1240776412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1240776418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then have a similar set for each language < 1240776420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: eh, the language ones are just a variant < 1240776431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit anglocentric :P < 1240776443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sad. < 1240776452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: translated versions would translate the variants to their language, and then remove their language as a variant and add english < 1240776470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way the user gets a lot in their own language < 1240776478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know latin? < 1240776482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240776515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I have a GCSE in it < 1240776518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I only scored a B < 1240776525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good, what's "Hello, world!"? :-P < 1240776541 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ave, something < 1240776546 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ave mundus < 1240776549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, hello is salve < 1240776549 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ISO-639 code for latin is "la"; it seems that GNU hello doesn't have that translation at all. How faily. < 1240776562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ave has a slightly different meaning < 1240776567 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Salve mundus < 1240776572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, semi-olde Swedish variant: "Varde hälsad du sköna värld i nådens år $YEAR" (yes replace $YEAR with current four digit year). < 1240776573 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the difference between the two < 1240776578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not entirely sure that mundus has the right meaning < 1240776585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't u=v in some form of old latin or sth? < 1240776585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ave's more what you use to report to a commanding officer < 1240776596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is that like "Hello in the living place of 2009" < 1240776603 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240776604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: vowel u and consonental u were both written using the v glyph < 1240776610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were different letters, just written the same way < 1240776613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SALVE MVNDVS < 1240776614 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1240776615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1240776615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, literal English variant would be "Be greated, you beautiful world in the year of $YEAR" < 1240776619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1240776642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's untranslatable < 1240776642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1240776646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nådens < 1240776648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bit < 1240776651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, what does it mean < 1240776657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is the issue! < 1240776660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't try any of that saphir-whorf shit on me < 1240776663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the English term < 1240776666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1240776679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wth is "saphir-whorf" < 1240776683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../ < 1240776686 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sapir-Whorf < 1240776699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TNG related then I guess. < 1240776702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, what is it < 1240776704 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1240776711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then what is it... < 1240776711 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TNG's dude is Worf. < 1240776713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if it was untranslatable due to being too rude < 1240776716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah < 1240776720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no < 1240776727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You beautiful world in the fuckassbullshitdick year of 2009! < 1240776730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i don't think so < 1240776742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would be a brilliant quote < 1240776744 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like "in the Lord's year"? < 1240776749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes! < 1240776749 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish translation of "nådens år" is "armon vuonna", but I too don't exactly know the English one. < 1240776751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Be greeted, you beautiful world in fucking 2009!" < 1240776752 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"armon"... yeah < 1240776758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, see what Deewiant said < 1240776762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure what it would mean < 1240776780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird seeing ais523 swear :D < 1240776785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in English, in translates as "AD" normally, which is short for "Anno Domini", normally translated into actual English as "in the year of our lord" < 1240776785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it is geniune® Olde Swede < 1240776787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bit < 1240776789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest isn't < 1240776792 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'twas in quotes :P < 1240776794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yep, I can, just normally don't, I don't see the point in it < 1240776795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes that would work < 1240776818 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually the free dictionary has the almost-literal translation "year of grace" too. < 1240776825 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Year of the grace < 1240776826 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1240776832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, do you think it is weird when I swear < 1240776833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"year of grace - any year of the Christian era". < 1240776835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering < 1240776838 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, why are your dictionary lookups faster than my thoughts :-P < 1240776838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not really < 1240776842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't think I do it often. < 1240776849 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pingity ping ping < 1240776854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1240776854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly in abbreviations < 1240776860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, pang < 1240776886 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ping pang pong poing prng poong peng < 1240776890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why has none ever got the reference so far... < 1240776892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1240776901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eshell V5.7.1 (abort with ^G) < 1240776901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1> net_adm:ping(nosuch@node). < 1240776901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pang < 1240776910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously go use distributed erlang! < 1240776919 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting a reference doesn't imply saying that one did < 1240776919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is pang what you get when there isn't a pong? < 1240776940 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And besideswhich, I've responded "pang" to ping before without knowing that that's what Erlang does in that case :-P < 1240776942 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you want to be rather literal-minded, it seems that also "-- you beautiful world in the year of grace 2009" would be passable English. At least that structure is used in the interwebs somewhere, which must mean it's correct. < 1240776946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, true, but did you get it. < 1240776950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1240776954 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I didn't. < 1240776959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(test@tux)1> net_adm:ping(node()). < 1240776959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1240776966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(too lazy to set up two notes) < 1240776968 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PING? PONG!" is what mIRC used to print for server-pings in the status window. < 1240776970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nodes* < 1240776977 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My second line's point was that even if I had known it I wouldn't have considered it a reference. < 1240777041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, reversed should be a separate option. Since you can reverse any of the variants < 1240777045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have --reverse or such < 1240777057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: reversing all the variants isn't really t hat intersting < 1240777067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just put the reversed variant in for completeness < 1240777068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true, but you wanted bloat < 1240777074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1240777075 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had my ircII scripted to print that "PING? PONG!" message too, because I had to know when the server ping happened in order to have enough time to disconnect the modem and redial without getting a ping-timeout from IRC. (It was PPP with a static IP and I got it to keep the interface up.) < 1240777084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, having more reversed variants == more complete < 1240777096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240777104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Hej världen! < 1240777105 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hjv�le!ndr� e < 1240777105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dlrow, olleH is common < 1240777107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240777111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail yeah < 1240777113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!noom ,llewrraF isn't < 1240777127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, implement utf-8 parsing in fungot! < 1240777128 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is. absorb it on my door, which was one, will terminate abnormally or otherwise fail operate correctly. < 1240777133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1240777134 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon* lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp < 1240777134 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot doesn't do utf-8 in brainfuck input; the cells are one-byte anyway. < 1240777143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style alice < 1240777144 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: alice (Books by Lewis Carroll) < 1240777151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm true < 1240777172 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it doesn't do utf-8 anywhere, but it doesn't really show up in other places. :p < 1240777182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : !dlrow, olleH is common <-- yeah. In befunge. < 1240777206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah yes no string splitting in underload... < 1240777331 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"PEW PEW" < 1240777344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble Hlo oldrw,le < 1240777344 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world < 1240777377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1240777378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ! < 1240777385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Hello, world! < 1240777386 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hlo ol!drw,le < 1240777401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble Hjv€le!ndrà e < 1240777401 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hej v��Âr�dlne! < 1240777403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1240777414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah my client tries to guess encoding < 1240777420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but always sends in utf-8 < 1240777442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway the scrambled one isn't common I think < 1240777445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show scramble < 1240777446 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2] < 1240777458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, still that >> vs 2< bug < 1240777460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1240777521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyone managed to run my prog yet < 1240777597 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what program, ehird < 1240777604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1240777616 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1240777645 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, haven't had time to fix it yet. It's strange that I hadn't noticed that bug; obviously I don't do much testing. < 1240777872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I haven't planned to do it, too much work with this moose thing < 1240777882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plain perl and I might have done it < 1240777895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Barely any perl script works with NO cpan stuff < 1240777897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ais523 didn't write it < 1240777905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem is tha tMooseX::Runnable isn't in cpan yet. < 1240777912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure but at least common ones < 1240777922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "cpanp i Modern::Perl MooseX::Declare MooseX::Getopt MooseX::Types" will get you most of the way in one shot. < 1240777937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Moose is common < 1240777940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very common < 1240778058 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moose. < 1240778069 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meese. < 1240778075 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mice. < 1240778081 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moce. < 1240778084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Motes. < 1240778093 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dust. < 1240778097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cabbage. < 1240778104 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Babbage. < 1240778104 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cab-barge. < 1240778110 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing. < 1240778116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dog. < 1240778121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell. < 1240778121 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Log. < 1240778126 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fog. < 1240778128 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, you can't do two in a row! < 1240778133 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Column! < 1240778137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I did, and I feel kind of bad about it :( < 1240778142 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. < 1240778142 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slalom < 1240778176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Green. < 1240778181 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spleen. < 1240778184 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1240778198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster. < 1240778199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is. < 1240778199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That. < 1240778201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cpanp. < 1240778203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working. < 1240778213 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1240778218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1240778240 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it with plain cpan and it worked fine. < 1240778255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it should. < 1240778258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I said AnMaster. < 1240778263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Did you do the git dance? < 1240778270 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The git dance? < 1240778276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1240778277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:37 ehird: cpanp i Module::Install < 1240778277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:37 ehird: git clone git://github.com/jrockway/moosex-runnable.git < 1240778278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:37 ehird: cd moosex-runnable < 1240778280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:37 ehird: perl Makefile.PL < 1240778282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:37 ehird: make < 1240778284 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I did not. < 1240778284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:38 ehird: make install < 1240778286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:38 ehird: if ./hello-world still gives an error that it can't find a module, "cpanp i" it. < 1240778295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm not about to do it < 1240778298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just forget it. < 1240778301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm talking to Deewiant. < 1240778303 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: long, hard english word please... testing speech synthesiser < 1240778308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : But I said AnMaster. < 1240778311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: I'm talking to Deewiant. < 1240778312 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Penis. < 1240778313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: antidisestablishmentarianism < 1240778313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: apoplectically < 1240778313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great! < 1240778314 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious < 1240778325 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis. < 1240778328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: While I'm at it, latest version: http://pastie.org/458917.txt?key=d9dsr9gkycblxacz9x2qxg < 1240778332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, did you look that one up < 1240778336 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No. < 1240778337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240778346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1240778347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you have to look supercalifragilisticexpialidocious u < 1240778348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1240778358 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :appendicectomy < 1240778360 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sesquipedalian words are easy to remember. < 1240778366 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1240778371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, Sesquipedalian... < 1240778378 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look it up? :-P < 1240778409 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One-and-a-half-footed < 1240778426 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sesquipedalian Loquaciousness is a tvtropes trope; that's the only use so far I've seen. < 1240778429 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::{ < 1240778432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, what about olde English. Thy shalt notte take listhen to a speecth synth saying this. < 1240778440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(made up) < 1240778443 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1240778445 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1240778452 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crashed my virtualbox < 1240778467 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1240778475 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sounds like one of my old googlewhacks < 1240778483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I refuse to read on tvtroupes. Take too much time. < 1240778502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a tl;dr where d is "did" in this case. < 1240778503 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have a text document containing 67 pairs of words that were once googlewhacks < 1240778526 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oracular thingamabobs" < 1240778543 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"vampiric icosahedra" < 1240778549 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think thingamabob is a real word, although it is a very commonly said one :P < 1240778568 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are only the ones that were accepted by googlewhack.com; it uses (used?) dictionary.com to check them < 1240778578 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thingamabob is in dictionaries < 1240778592 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember one I got on googlewack, but it's not a googlewhack anymore :( < 1240778594 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"promiscuous neodarwinism" < 1240778615 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oxyacetylene vasectomies < 1240778617 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was mine < 1240778629 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otorhinolaryngological astronauts < 1240778630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :promiscuous neodarwinism :D < 1240778657 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :titillative minutiae < 1240778673 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Based on the number of results for those nowadays, the internets truly were smaller back then. < 1240778674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to get one with googlewhacking in
< 1240778681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "googlewhacking presbyterians" :-( < 1240778692 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's an honorary mention for exactly 666 results < 1240778693 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnomic difficulties < 1240778700 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And yes, they were. < 1240778705 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's much harder to googlewhack these days. < 1240778712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1240778729 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google indexes x*10000 pages instead of x. < 1240778761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "polyhedral frightening" < 1240778762 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Google does spelling correction. < 1240778763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is hard < 1240778774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOBELA ecru < 1240778776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, it's not hard < 1240778778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all < 1240778781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "polyhedral acupuncture" either < 1240778786 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 2 results here. < 1240778789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: those aren't in the dictionary < 1240778793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one on my Google < 1240778795 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we're working with dictionary words. < 1240778805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought ecru was a real word < 1240778810 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOBELA isn't. < 1240778810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "acupunctural pokemon" either < 1240778811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and DOBELA's a real word in this channel < 1240778822 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in the dictionary, though, which is what counts. < 1240778918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"polyhedral dancemaker" < 1240778920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still nope < 1240778935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=polyhedral+acupunctural+dancemaker&btnG=Search 2 words but 3 results < 1240778997 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The spelling correction is making this a real pain. < 1240779005 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Crescentic" matches "crescent" -> 1000s of results. < 1240779018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1240779027 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mugwumpery's vividest -> 2 results, darn. < 1240779034 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both wordlists, though. < 1240779046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=monk-jumping+wampeter&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 < 1240779048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is impossible < 1240779069 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll note wampeter doesn't actually appear in the top result. < 1240779081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=unknown+moveritis&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 < 1240779082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two results < 1240779091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240779093 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moveritis? :-P < 1240779094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1240779098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes < 1240779105 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOVING DISEASE < 1240779106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: where you can't stop being a mover! < 1240779118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unknown malt-tickler" has 733 results < 1240779159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"polyhedral acupunctural-tickler" has 152; clearly my word choices suck < 1240779200 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Results 1 - 2 of about 0 for mugwumpish redcar. < 1240779202 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 0 :-P < 1240779213 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 ~= 0 < 1240779224 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think it'd say "about 2". < 1240779230 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like it does for mugwumpish permittivity. < 1240779231 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "exactly 2" < 1240779254 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn wordlists. < 1240779254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Results 1 - 10 of about 4,650 for eucharistic acupuncture. (0.51 seconds) < 1240779327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Results 1 - 10 of about 166 for two resultitis. (0.23 seconds) < 1240779350 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, whack < 1240779357 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if Googlewhack.com accepts it < 1240779367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What is it? :O < 1240779388 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, googlewhack.com sees 2. < 1240779393 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: mugwumpish sweetbreads < 1240779398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240779432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Results 1 - 10 of about 1,380 for neologistic poltergeist. (0.13 seconds) < 1240779436 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't stop watching Happy Tree Friends.
< 1240779442 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though it makes me hate life :P < 1240779464 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wordlists are annoying. < 1240779471 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very. < 1240779483 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They, too, are much more promiscuous than when I was last whacking. < 1240779496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Results 1 - 10 of about 4,710 for promiscuous wordlist. (0.65 seconds) < 1240779499 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Results 1 - 10 of about 24 for zygotic gastrolavage; and *all* those seem to be wordlists. < 1240779509 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, most of my results are only wordlists now. < 1240779516 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googlewhack rejects wordlists, BTW. < 1240779520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Results 1 - 10 of about 1,330 for embarrasment-wrought designation. (0.26 seconds) < 1240779555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Results 1 - 10 of about 4,090 for eukaryotic ambassador. (0.25 seconds) < 1240779558 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing to do is get something with very few results, look for a non-wordlist and try to match only that result < 1240779569 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Except that all ambassadors are eukaryotic :P < 1240779580 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Although that's not the first word I'd think of to describe them. < 1240779589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1240779597 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you, people.sc.fsu.edu/~burkardt/datasets/words/wordlist.txt! < 1240779612 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing's given me at least 5 two-results < 1240779763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Results 1 - 5 of 5 for eukarytoic misunderstandment. (0.24 seconds) < 1240779818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your search - -the -a - did not match any documents. < 1240779822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity < 1240779827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going for an anti-Googlewhack < 1240779833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I bet Google doesn't do them < 1240779845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, there blatantly aren't any < 1240780003 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, now Googlewhack sees 0 for my whack. < 1240780007 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it's a wordlist. < 1240780011 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :delapidate mugwumpishness < 1240780080 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240780109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : besides, there blatantly aren't any < 1240780110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1240780114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1240780121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in English < 1240780130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1240780135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you restrict it to "English pages" < 1240780137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the search < 1240780145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm sure there are at least four websites which have mutually disjoint sets of words < 1240780157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what < 1240780185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: explain to AnMaster, please? < 1240780198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sorry, psychologist says I'm not allowed to do that any more < 1240780203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what goooglewhack is < 1240780207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's very important < 1240780212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is "mutually disjoint sets of words" < 1240780217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, by my search of -the -a, can you guess what I meant by antigooglewhack? < 1240780223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1240780251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but I'm saying there is such pages. Most Swedish ones wouldn't have either for example. < 1240780329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1240780376 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume the "aren't any" meant that there aren't any antigooglewhacks, not that there aren't any pages without "the" and "a". < 1240780381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1240780403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it won't try to do hits like that if there is no positive part ot match on < 1240780439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1240780551 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, Googlewhack needs to start using the same Google I'm using < 1240780555 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vivisecting zeya < 1240780590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1240780593 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.126 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240780600 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sorry, Google does not serve more than 1000 results for any query. (You asked for results starting from 222333444.)" That's very limited. < 1240780610 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, got one which it sees but it's a wordlist < 1240780622 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll be satisfied with that < 1240780636 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Results 1 - 10 of about 17,710,000,000 for a"; I was hoping it'd let me browse all those 17 short-scale-billion pages. < 1240780638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point in claiming there's billions of results if we can't see them all? < 1240780664 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see them all with different queries < 1240780686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd like them ranked in the relevance to the query "a". < 1240780689 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so that you can googlefight, of course. < 1240780723 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also funny that if you do start=1000000000 and it gives that message; but for start=2000000000 it prints results 1-10 and ignores start. < 1240780768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err: " Results 1 - 10 of about 16,070,000,000 for a. (0.24 seconds) " < 1240780775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it varies each time I hit search < 1240780781 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Results 1 - 10 of about 31,560,000,000 for a. (0.05 seconds) < 1240780781 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Search Results < 1240780781 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1. < 1240780789 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, where did those two lines come from < 1240780792 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I win < 1240780799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Results 1 - 10 of about 4,750,000,000 for an [definition]. (0.18 seconds) < 1240780808 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Results 1 - 10 of about 8,250,000,000 for an < 1240780813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1240780819 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Google is twice as good as yours < 1240780830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, twice as many irrelevant results you mean < 1240780841 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're all relevant < 1240780844 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked < 1240780849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure :P < 1240780865 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahoo wins: 1 - 10 of 31,600,000,000 for a < 1240780866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Results 1 - 10 of about 2,660,000,000 for google. (0.19 seconds) < 1240780880 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious fact: start=1073741824 (which is 2^30) is the largest number it "accepts" (in the sense that it complains instead of showing results 1-10). < 1240780880 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Results 1 - 10 of about 2,670,000,000 for google. (0.06 seconds) < 1240780900 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahoo: 1 - 10 of 4,560,000,000 for google (About) - 0.04 s < 1240780911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1240780937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Results 1 - 10 of about 2,460,000,000 for yahoo [definition]. (0.29 seconds) < 1240780965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Results 1 - 10 of about 6,480 for cfunge. (0.18 seconds) < 1240780966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1240780976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had 0 results when I selected that name < 1240780976 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 - 10 of 7,360,000,000 for yahoo (About) - 0.04 s | < 1240780992 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 - 10 of 10,200 for cfunge (About) - 0.25 s < 1240781002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about? < 1240781009 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same as Google's about. < 1240781016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using yahoo or google < 1240781020 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or no, it's a link. < 1240781031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Results 1 - 10 of about 1,500 for efunge. (0.12 seconds) < 1240781031 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(About) -> Yahoo < 1240781036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1240781042 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 - 10 of 186 for efunge (About) - 0.21 s < 1240781045 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less there < 1240781086 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My google gave just: Results 1 - 10 of about 2,440 for cfunge. It's a anti-befungeist. < 1240781098 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've been training it poorly < 1240781099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Results 1 - 10 of about 125,000 for ccbi. (0.21 seconds) < 1240781107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most aren't befunge related < 1240781109 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ditto here for google < 1240781118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none are on first page < 1240781133 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :315000 for yahoo < 1240781134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ccbi isn't googable < 1240781145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean for finding your ccbi < 1240781149 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's the conforming concurrent befunge-98 interpreter < 1240781158 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-114-141.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1240781161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I always try to select a name with less than 10 hits for new projects < 1240781161 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "Did you mean: clunge" sounds somewhat... disparaging. The connotations are "clunky" and "kludge", at least for me. < 1240781163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helps searching < 1240781164 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is with gmail < 1240781173 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: As do I, and I did. < 1240781175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't get that here < 1240781179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, qmail? < 1240781209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so "Conference of Catholic Bishops of India" was added later < 1240781212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1240781239 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1240781271 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCBI was a rename so I might not have been careful there. < 1240781283 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The long form is googlable, FWIW. < 1240781299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge returns same results as befunge < 1240781302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1240781314 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge risc and it's the first result. < 1240781321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you renamed from the long form < 1240781323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1240781329 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1240781337 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From "dcbefunge" and possibly something else before/after that < 1240781345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dcbefunge" meant < 1240781349 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted the name = handprint < 1240781367 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant's / D, not sure which, Concurrent Befunge < 1240781383 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, anyway. < 1240781383 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google for 26^4 combinations, and select the least frequent term < 1240781389 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might have been conformant but I think it was concurrent. < 1240781412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, dcbefunge should have been a befunge implemented in dc(1) < 1240781416 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Crunchy. < 1240781418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky you renamed it in time < 1240781423 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1240781433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that was a very fizy comment < 1240781435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1240781437 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is dc(1) powerful enough for that? < 1240781445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it is tc iirc < 1240781447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes < 1240781464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not saying it would be easy though < 1240781482 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course not < 1240781569 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION plays Go
< 1240781571 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1240781588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1240781659 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.126 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240781940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1240781952 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.126 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240782449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1240782501 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.126 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240783029 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Connection problems? < 1240783034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1240783054 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1240783581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't reconnect < 1240783758 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[MY STATE]: [MY COUNTY] health officials announce one suspected swine influenza case under investigation." < 1240783820 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this swine flu shit < 1240783889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240783900 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.126 JOIN :#esoteric < 1240784916 0 :poseidon!n=Joseph@ip70-161-210-129.hr.hr.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240784982 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1240785212 0 :poseidon!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1240785412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240786094 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1240786736 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-134-159.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240786876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think that the average coder gets about 10-20 lines of code written in a day." < 1240786879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit of a low estimate... < 1240787177 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't say such things. First day at the lab tomorrow :( < 1240787224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: wut < 1240787404 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1240787408 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1240787551 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Work :( < 1240787557 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where I have to code shit and stuff < 1240787637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: wait but it's the LHC isn't it < 1240787641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sth? < 1240787655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is um just don't fuck it up okay < 1240787712 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make it shoot holes in your pots and pans < 1240787722 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just do theoretical models, don't worry < 1240787738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: why are you clever < 1240787779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, which lab < 1240787783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it really LHC < 1240787796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he did his study thing on the lhc < 1240787799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i assume it's related < 1240787805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1240787809 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1240787815 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did no study thing < 1240787830 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get an internship for two months starting tomorrow < 1240787833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, what lab... < 1240787838 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the local lab, Subatech < 1240787845 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who works on some parts of the LHC project < 1240787853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought Slereah was some 4chan /b/tard. I guess I was wrong. < 1240787855 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www-subatech.in2p3.fr/ < thar < 1240787858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: He is. < 1240787858 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am. < 1240787866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1240787873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lawl @ prejudice. < 1240787876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, in English < 1240787888 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No can do boy < 1240788108 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember that 4chan are nice people, too < 1240788108 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3765/30255d5e4e.jpg < 1240788235 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make a mistake that means the models say we won't die when we will die, I'll just have to watch the LHC kill you before dying myself < 1240788246 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1240788264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not just failed < 1240788265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's aborted. < 1240788353 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1240788387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi coppro < 1240788464 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1240788703 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, it's an internship < 1240788711 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they'll check up at the end < 1240789188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, are you trying to suggest it was humor. < 1240789441 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-171-213-254.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1240789700 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-6-4.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1240789785 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1240790062 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1240790164 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)