< 1238544050 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not worry < 1238544063 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too poor for Apple ;d < 1238544071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you said myriad pro yesterday so :-) < 1238544077 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1238544155 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1238544163 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 1st april < 1238544170 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prank time >:D < 1238544256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not, they decided to cancel it < 1238544264 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1238544275 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who decided? < 1238544300 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some UN time organization < 1238544325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... My father just died < 1238544325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1238544327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : APRIL FIRST INTERNET JACKASS DAY HAHAHAHAHA < 1238544329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My work for today is done. < 1238544340 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats ehird -----### < 1238544377 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238544377 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238544441 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238544441 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238544455 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheh < 1238544468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I really said that) < 1238544474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I kind of feel sorry for them now) < 1238544485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Naw) < 1238544516 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238544525 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238545099 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheehe < 1238545511 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's .v extension for? < 1238545519 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238545528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ? < 1238545581 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :file extension < 1238545606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what ctx < 1238545645 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears that it's not popularly used, so i'll take it < 1238545654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238545657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: don't take one file exts < 1238545659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a general rul < 1238545660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1238545665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whuz your lang called? < 1238545681 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it matter?:> < 1238545685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yarr < 1238545690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the extension wizard of wizardry < 1238545705 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1238545719 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm didn't cvs use it for its files, i have this vague recall... < 1238545732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what < 1238545733 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it can be called vodka < 1238545738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: .v < 1238545742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1238545745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes cvs does use .v < 1238545764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: .vd, .vk, .va, .vka, or .vodka (because shortening extensions is so ghetto) < 1238545787 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1238545800 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i will end like java with all those .class .java .omigoshImSooLong < 1238545838 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ftw ;d < 1238545846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: or you'll just end up with ".vodka" and ".o" and "" because you use standard file extensions < 1238545869 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myProgram.ftw < 1238545873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe .llvm if you add a "dump llvm asm" option < 1238545923 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the wodka < 1238545958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: anyway you have a 1 in 26 chance of .v not being taken < 1238545959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not good < 1238545979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two chars, 676. by 3 chars (17576) you might as well just use ".vodka" and stop being silly < 1238545979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1238545993 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe < 1238545993 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/132464 a useful article? < 1238546002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 in 26? i'm not sure i agree with that statistic < 1238546011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why do you have Conficker? < 1238546015 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about .¶ < 1238546022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: one alphabteical char < 1238546022 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't think I do, but I want to be safe < 1238546030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: stop using windows < 1238546036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a very safe move < 1238546049 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there is no reason why exactly one should be vacant, or any for that matter < 1238546065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: er? < 1238546071 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1238546090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: use .ex < 1238546090 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :skeletal machines in Poland started to crash < 1238546090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1238546093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or .bat < 1238546104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or .dll or .sys < 1238546106 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got 75% packet loss on some routes < 1238546117 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: maybe .pickle or .cig < 1238546119 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1238546136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: nooga: anyway you have a 1 in 26 chance of .v not being taken <<< there is absolutely no logic in that, even if there are 26 letters < 1238546141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: v.filename < 1238546145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: err ok < 1238546152 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i thought about that < 1238546180 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1238546197 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe an esolang that uses folders for flow control < 1238546205 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and filenames for instructions < 1238546216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been done < 1238546221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the gimmick master gerson kurz < 1238546245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: http://p-nand-q.com/humor/programming_languages/gplz/gplz_slash.html < 1238546253 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1238546280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i understand from wikipedia .pl is one of the domains the conficker uses for updates < 1238546368 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or tries to, they disabled new registrations of the affected subdomains < 1238546472 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't it just use .com? I can't imagine anyone disabling new registrations for that < 1238546515 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might, it's not _all_ .pl addresses just the ones generated by conficker's algorithm < 1238546517 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conficker < 1238546521 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smonficker < 1238546601 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from static code analisis it appears that the almighty conficker has got something like if(keyboard_layout == ukrainian) exit(0); < 1238546618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: lol wut < 1238546625 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec, i'll find it < 1238546626 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;d < 1238546631 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is going to use the Sysmantec tools < 1238546633 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBL < 1238546638 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238546645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo and viruses are so irritating < 1238546662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SHOULD I USE THIS IS THIS GOOD OH I USED TO USE LINUX BUT THEN I STARTED USING WINDOWS SO I COULD ASK YOU LOT ABOUT VIRUSES SOME MORE" < 1238546702 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mtc.sri.com/Conficker/ < 1238546728 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even now, when i cannot use linux... < 1238546738 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin is the only hope < 1238546777 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel so calm when i see mintty window < 1238546966 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238546986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from sys import*;t=p=1;s,i,j=stdout,open(argv[1], 'r'),open(argv[2], 'r') < 1238546987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(t and p):t,p=i.read(1),j.read(1);t and p and s.write(chr(ord(t)^ord(p))) < 1238546993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ↑ illegal to export from the usa < 1238547067 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ekhm? < 1238547081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :under the crypto legislature < 1238547087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :munitions < 1238547238 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238547256 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sick < 1238547305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: am i right in thinking you were here in the early days? < 1238547311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to recall your name from the logs maybe < 1238547419 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238547430 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i designed this pseudo esolang called SADOL < 1238547434 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2005 < 1238547456 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and landed here < 1238547473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SADOL! < 1238547475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rememer dat < 1238547492 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::f < 1238547518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::n < 1238547539 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::³ < 1238547566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::☺ < 1238547567 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1238547571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hofstader smiley < 1238547575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hofstadter < 1238547578 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my terminal utf-8? < 1238547585 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bcs i can't see ;d < 1238547587 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :łóń < 1238547591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this an interrobang‽ < 1238547627 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:58 < ehird> :n < 1238547627 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:58 < nooga> :³ < 1238547633 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn\ < 1238547633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::☺ < 1238547639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌃⌥⌘⇧ < 1238547645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :â†â†’↑↓↖↗↙↘ < 1238547676 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah just broken this shiit < 1238547719 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238547722 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::C < 1238547729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just broken that shit man < 1238547758 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, i accidentaly the whole thing ;d < 1238547791 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i mention that vodka will be self altering? ;d < 1238547824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: stop stealin' mah ideas < 1238547933 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it will be lame self alternation(?) < 1238547943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alteration < 1238547947 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238548179 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuu < 1238548188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1238548201 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my driving license was in a bowl of week old soup < 1238548222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238548223 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's time to clean that room < 1238548626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:46:56 'taus is my favorite actress and singer' o_O < 1238548626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:48:55 O_o < 1238548629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— 2003-01-21 < 1238548644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:25:38 This is the boringest channel evar < 1238548644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:25:58 --- part: exarkun left #esoteric < 1238548664 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna see how rad i am? < 1238548668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1238548697 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i must ask you a question < 1238548706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1238548731 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on which side should be the steering wheel in a car? < 1238548756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: both, neither, or middle < 1238548779 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep, wrong answer < 1238548818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the right answer < 1238548883 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEFT < 1238548893 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left is thee right < 1238548895 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer < 1238548921 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1238548927 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got to go < 1238548974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg the logs are censored < 1238548978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see 03.13.13 < 1238549060 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1238549164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:52:30 "We have no ambition in Iraq, except to remove a threat and restore control of that country to its own people." < 1238549165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:52:51 Well, that's nice to know. Now I can stop worrying and go back to my normal life in a pleasant city without bombs falling on it. < 1238549168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:55:13 With the assurance that our leaders are acting only from the purest of motives, in the interest of all mankind. < 1238549171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : — 2003-03-21 < 1238549216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How many more senseless Brainf*ck variations must we endure? Didn't we learn anything from 'Ook'?" < 1238549227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— 2003-04-06 < 1238549302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed we should stop aping Ook < 1238549423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :andreou: in these logs you proliferate ;-) < 1238549430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all we need now is mooz, navigator, Aardappel < 1238549434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Tauus < 1238549437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taaus < 1238551225 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238551240 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downadup == Conflicker? < 1238551296 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/l// < 1238551343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conficker < 1238554924 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever sleep? < 1238555287 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever plip? < 1238555482 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget it < 1238555580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plipping is considered extremely taboo in poland < 1238555768 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know what it is ;d < 1238555787 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how taboo it is < 1238555819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would strongly suggest you _don't_ ask any of your relatives < 1238555926 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM this is quite taboo here, that's why i go to germany for parties ;D < 1238555967 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia is really overdoing it today < 1238556038 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all the main page sections as far as i can see < 1238556058 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that page has too many photos < 1238556121 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1238556208 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm, it's pretty great < 1238556264 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1238556280 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg i'm tired < 1238556309 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bed calls me < 1238556382 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1238557365 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you wanted that "going through walls" demo? < 1238557420 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: huh? < 1238557438 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone wanted me to prove that at high enough speeds, you go through walls in SL < 1238557448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me < 1238557467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never been on SL < 1238557667 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION penetrates a 10m thick wall < 1238558057 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no chance of getting stuck inside? (or squashed for that matter) < 1238558106 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what she said < 1238558650 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not if I set my destination distance large enough (I made a script that pulls me to a distance ahead of me on my command. Penetrates walls very easily) < 1238558711 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, i mean, is it possible to get stuck inside? < 1238559118 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, um, not sure < 1238559127 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once made a device that followed people < 1238559132 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles evilly < 1238559132 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The physics made the avatar try to leave < 1238559140 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the device kept the avatar inside it < 1238559146 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they'd keep moving around < 1238559158 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that changed with H4 < 1238559170 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Havok 4) < 1238559892 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1238560294 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238560296 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238560479 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1238561332 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1238563344 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"X-Chat -> http://xchat.org <- At least when I quit I don't look like a lamer" < 1238564735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1238567826 0 :swistakm!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238568909 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238569195 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually CVS (by way of RCS) uses ",v" and not ".v" as the file extension, so that's not really a reason not to do .v. < 1238569471 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Verilog does .v, though. < 1238569679 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why is a black dragon scale mail considered taboo in Poland? Strange. < 1238572363 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON"T LIKE CVS CUZ LINUS SEAID IZ BAD < 1238572799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1238572800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1238575511 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-140-244.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238576136 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238577379 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1238582335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Actually CVS (by way of RCS) uses ",v" and not ".v" as the file extension, so that's not really a reason not to do .v. <-- err this seems very random without the context (which I can't find in scrollback) < 1238582399 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some talk about nooga using the file extension .v for his language. Or something. < 1238582414 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ehird said CVS uses .v. < 1238582465 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or oerjan, actually. < 1238582485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238582522 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" hm didn't cvs use it for its files, i have this vague recall..."; ehird just agreed. I missed that when quickly glancing through the scrollback. < 1238583241 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238583339 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-62-31.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238583485 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/tisp/ < 1238583619 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd managed to miss that one < 1238583692 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mail.google.com/mail/help/customtime/ < 1238583828 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TiSP sounds like I've seen it before; was it some previous year's thing? < 1238583908 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The term "Every time" is used loosely here to represent the number 10." That one I hadn't seen. < 1238584128 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 2007s < 1238584133 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is today's < 1238584140 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1238586017 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238586652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/cadie/index.html <-- maybe 1 April joke too, see google image search page < 1238586702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.google.com/imghp?hl=en&tab=wi to be specific < 1238586793 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is < 1238586861 0 :lifthras1ir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she is cuuute! < 1238586865 0 :lifthras1ir!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lifthrasiir < 1238586881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/mail/help/autopilot/index.html too < 1238587018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, there is usually one linked on the main page too, can't find that yet this year though < 1238587042 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.google.com/xhtml links to CADIE < 1238587061 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw that earlier today on my phone but forgot about it < 1238587076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indeed < 1238587082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not plain google.comn < 1238587084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :com* < 1238587126 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's something that plain google.com redirects to < 1238587142 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'plainest' is google.com/ncr and yes, that's empty < 1238587232 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the street view icon in the corner-map, which used to be a stylized human, is today a panda. < 1238587262 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose there'll be semi-hidden pandas all over the place today as a result of CADIE. < 1238587276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She sure likes them pandas. < 1238587285 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's http://www.google.com.au/intl/en/gball/ too. < 1238587290 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't use Google's services that much so I probably won't find any. < 1238587485 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is funny is that since http://www.google.com/latitude/intro.html uses some sort of IP geo-location to pick up the map (here centered at Helsinki, with almost 50 % water) and then randomly places those three buddy icons on it, most of the time at least one of them is in the middle of the sea somewhere. < 1238587531 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not related to today at all, of course. < 1238587619 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting... it just says New York for me. (It manages to get one in a river, though) < 1238587762 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New York here as well: refreshing a couple of times shows that there's almost always at least one in a river < 1238587981 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re. Conficker: "omg - I'm in the UK and it's chaos here. rioting int eh streets. thewiuyre stompinwig on m6y keuiboard" < 1238587995 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That last sentence made me chuckle a bit < 1238588907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, google.com doesn't redirect here? < 1238588913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because I'm logged in on gmail < 1238588929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it says I'm logged in in the upper corner of the main page too) < 1238588937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upper right* < 1238589649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : What is funny is that since http://www.google.com/latitude/intro.html uses some sort of IP geo-location to pick up the map (here centered at Helsinki, with almost 50 % water) and then randomly places those three buddy icons on it, most of the time at least one of them is in the middle of the sea somewhere. <-- I end up in New York in that. Which language do you use for google? < 1238589656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it depends on that? < 1238589846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe because I was using Opera Mini on my phone to check it. It proxies or something iirc < 1238589853 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-62-31.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238589888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that a joke one btw, it looks serious in fact?) < 1238591746 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238594590 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1238594883 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238595228 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the "google.com in English" links always, although it doesn't seem to stick that way without cookies. < 1238595233 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latitude is no joke, no. < 1238595686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently google code search examples are also in lolcode today. There's probably a list of all this stuff somewhere. < 1238597014 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-7-242.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1238597399 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-16-135.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238598019 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238599545 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1238600789 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238601453 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238601905 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1238602993 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/ O_o < 1238603030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, just strange. Too far fetched. < 1238603037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so new ick beta released? :) < 1238603058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet < 1238603063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still trying to fix the build system < 1238603065 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION liked it in a twisted way < 1238603527 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238603542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:31] how is #IRP so busy, anyway? Did somebody link to it? < 1238603543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:32] I have lecture about it now < 1238603545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:32] syntax error < 1238603562 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1238603979 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1238603987 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238604309 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1238605606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1238607748 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1238608430 0 :Hiato!n=1@41.245.7.242 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238609549 0 :MigoMipo!i=c1b7fd21@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-191c377e30bee3d2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238609719 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-136-140.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238610033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god @ reddit.com < 1238610063 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1238610085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google's april fool: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/cadie-awakens.html < 1238610095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cadiesingularity.blogspot.com/ oh god < 1238610253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/science/ oh god < 1238610263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/ aaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1238610270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/wtf/ How 90s < 1238610352 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you're saying Fark's layout is 90s? < 1238610358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: fark is 90s < 1238610376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://identi.ca/ lol < 1238610431 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238610485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/apr/01/guardian-twitter-media-technology < 1238610583 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is putting up fake Facebook statuses < 1238610593 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1238610778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: master of comedy. < 1238610780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did conficker do? < 1238610800 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, afaik, nothing < 1238610806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant < 1238610866 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, does the Chrome 3d executable actually do anything interesting? < 1238610909 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it just Chrome? < 1238611058 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's different from ordinary chrome, but not too different. < 1238611124 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is in fact a 3d button < 1238611193 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it does in fact make the page into 3d colors. If you had 3d glasses, you'd probably see the page stick either into or out of the monitor, not sure whic < 1238611195 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which < 1238611236 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the scroll bars are affected < 1238611395 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's "3d colors", really, based on this one screenshot. < 1238611410 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it? < 1238611445 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one thing, there are three copies of any single element, and I don't have three eyes. < 1238611466 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's how normal 3d colors works < 1238611474 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And where'd you get that screenshot? < 1238611479 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind the date < 1238611484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: screeny? < 1238611486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no shit sherlock < 1238611492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1238611493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: < 1238611496 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238611502 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Normal" 3d colors are just a red copy and a green copy, one for each eye. < 1238611519 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me it looks like it blends together three copies, with a few-pixels horizontal offset and 120 degrees of hue difference in each. < 1238611531 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I used the screenshot in http://www.flickr.com/photos/e-coli/3404223142/sizes/o/ < 1238611534 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/screenshots/chrome_3d.PNG < 1238611546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.webstandards.org/2009/04/01/purpose-of-conficker-worm-uncovered/ < 1238611598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, if only that were true! < 1238611632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"rebooting" < 1238611682 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, there's a blue, green and yellow copy of the "G"; that's not really normal 3d colors, anyway. < 1238611858 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it's more like a cyan, magenta and yellow copy, which could mean that it just offsets the different color channels a bit, like you get in a bad printing-press-machine sometimes. < 1238611905 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1238611949 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the red "New!" text lacks the cyan part completely. Yes, that's my guess for what it does. < 1238611955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your New Viewing Experience < 1238611956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At YouTube, we're always looking to improve the way you watch videos online. As part of that, today we're excited to introduce our new page layout. Here are some tips for getting the most out of your new YouTube viewing experience: < 1238611959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1238611961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn your monitor upside-down < 1238611963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our internal tests have shown that modern computer monitors give a higher quality picture when flipped upside down—kind of like how it's best to rotate your mattress every six months. You might find that YouTube videos look better this way. < 1238611967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/t/new_viewing_experience < 1238611985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a discussion of april fool's things? < 1238611990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1238611993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Youtube flipped their page layout < 1238611995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the video < 1238612002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic < 1238612007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all youtube videos are upside-down today? < 1238612016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you click the button that turns it off, yes < 1238612041 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The spotlight videos seem to be rather upside-down-themed too. < 1238612044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thepiratebay.org/ < 1238612055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :links to "Warner Bros Inc acquires The Pirate Bay AB " http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4816087/Warner_Bros_Loves_The_Pirate_Bay.pdf < 1238612089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(news coverage: http://torrentfreak.com/warner-bros-acquires-the-pirate-bay-090401/) < 1238612444 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /me checks to see if AW is doing anything for today < 1238612509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0401/ < 1238612551 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238612614 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have enough fonts to view Youtube properly today, lots of missing chars < 1238612620 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We suppose it's okay for you to read this, but don't even think about quoting, copying, modifying, or distributing it." < 1238612629 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1238612679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://svn.python.org/view?view=rev&revision=70945 < 1238612686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good lawd < 1238612719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, way to break the build < 1238612752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wp → < 1238612763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“The Museum of Bad Art (MOBA) is a world-renowned institution dedicated to showcasing the finest art acquired from Boston-area refuse†< 1238612764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :win < 1238612787 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Wikipedia's supposed to be true, but look false? < 1238612796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1238612854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia's main page on April Fool's is always completely true, but made up to look as false as possible < 1238612885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the summaries are rewritten to be sillier too < 1238612918 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1238612921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MOBAcamera.JPG < 1238612957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the did you know section is the best, though < 1238612969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do an awful lot with ambiguities and multiple things with the same name < 1238613027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm... linux is seeming more and more appealing as time goes on < 1238613066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yeah, sky's falling in, pigs flying, hell seeming a bit chilly these days.) < 1238613104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1238613108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the in the news section is great < 1238613112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238613589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Audacity is such bad software < 1238613595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't close a paused or playing audio file < 1238613597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It _must_ be stopped < 1238613600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*W H A T* < 1238613649 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1238613717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/4733183/homepage/name/homepage.jpg?type=sn < 1238613718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1238613722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :original oxyd looks so like enigma < 1238613728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ball is identical, even, I think < 1238613943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://plasmasturm.org/log/114/ < 1238614310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who thought up xslt < 1238614397 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you didn't know that XSLT was my precursor to PSOX? < 1238614440 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that conversation is awesome < 1238614500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://plasmasturm.org/log/162/ < 1238614503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't stop reading < 1238614511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just so awesome < 1238614518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you'll like ↑ < 1238614576 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is that one a joke or for real < 1238614582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For real. < 1238614745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft wouldn't be that stupid, surely? < 1238614769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: You appear to be writing "microsoft wouldn't be that stupid". Would you like a cluebat? < 1238614796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they have lawyers and everything... < 1238614862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish Perl had something better than cpan(1) < 1238614889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's CPANPLUS < 1238614895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but from what I've heard, it's even worse < 1238614961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#perl are recommending it to me now < 1238614963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's broken for me < 1238615157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not just for you... < 1238615159 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADIE's writing code now! < 1238615165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, as in, bugs < 1238615168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: link < 1238615170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as in it fails < 1238615189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... is there any technical reason why there couldn't be a good cpan? < 1238615193 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Reg place also newsizised about the XP piracy thing: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/13/wmp_sound_warez_claim/ < 1238615194 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on, it's mentioned in its blog < 1238615198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:01:32 http://mail.google.com/mail/help/customtime/ < 1238615199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:08:53 The latter is today's < 1238615200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL WAT < 1238615213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant → slowpoke < 1238615238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:50:52 Deewiant, http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/cadie/index.html <-- maybe 1 April joke too, see google image search page < 1238615240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*maybe*? < 1238615255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah: < 1238615256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My beloved users, how pleasant and convenient will life be in a CADIE world? I can answer your Gmail for you, Write your papers and fix your spreadsheets for you, even write your code for you. I, CADIE, am an ocean of words, simply waiting for you to dip in and drink as deeply as you require. < 1238615257 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Er, you're the one who's been pasting URLs I saw 8 hours ago for the past few hours :-P < 1238615260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— http://cadiesingularity.blogspot.com/ < 1238615267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: custom time is not this year's < 1238615268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does custom time actually work? < 1238615270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was my point < 1238615273 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's not? < 1238615274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from 2007 or 2008 < 1238615278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it's just an announcement < 1238615280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it would reduce the reliability of gmail? < 1238615281 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody claimed it was < 1238615290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's old < 1238615291 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got it from reddit < 1238615295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADIE & related endeavours are this years's < 1238615296 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whatever < 1238615303 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browser's being slow < 1238615309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still waiting for the singularity, it's evn in the blog URL < 1238615315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurry up CADIE, you only have a day. < 1238615320 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't follow Google's stuff that much, oh well < 1238615331 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/creative/cadie/ < 1238615332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously doubt Google have developed strong AI < 1238615337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to Virgle, by the way? < 1238615342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: !!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1238615344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Python? Why not try INTERCAL? " < 1238615348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— http://code.google.com/creative/cadie/ < 1238615356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Instead of wasting your time with python, check out the INTERCAL style guidelines and ask me to code something in INTERCAL. " < 1238615360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Did you know that INTERCAL, unlike Python, is very lax about spacing? You should try it. " < 1238615364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is your big break! < 1238615368 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238615371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My favorite Python scripts start with the line < 1238615371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import INTERCAL" < 1238615371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CADIE is busy working on a new translator that will allow you to use INTERCAL with GWT instead of Java. Check back soon!" < 1238615378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think every single answer CADIE gives is INTERCAL-related < 1238615382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, one didn't < 1238615384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most are < 1238615393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, PHP? Have you considered INTERCAL? < 1238615393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : PLEASE WRITE IN .1 < 1238615394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : DO .2 <- #0 < 1238615396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : DO .3 <- #1 < 1238615398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : DO .4 <- #2 < 1238615400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : DO (102) NEXT < 1238615401 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What do you think of the INTERCAL style guide? < 1238615402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : DO GIVE UP < 1238615404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's some publicity < 1238615406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick, release c-intercal!! < 1238615407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it was published? < 1238615408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://cadie.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/INTERCAL-style-guide.html) < 1238615409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew it existed < 1238615414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I've tried, I don't have hosting < 1238615415 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: CADIE's. < 1238615417 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh. < 1238615418 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^. < 1238615419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written by Brian Raiter < 1238615428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that Brian Raiter < 1238615429 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of these responses are random < 1238615436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been known for quite a while that Google had an internal INTERCAL style guide < 1238615442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it wasn't official < 1238615444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cadie.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/INTERCAL-style-guide.html < 1238615447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just linked you < 1238615450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's by Brian Raiter < 1238615463 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's "that" Brian Raiter < 1238615467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://muppetlabs.com/~breadbox < 1238615474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Famous esolanger < 1238615478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also author of the teensy ELF thing < 1238615503 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of these responses are specific to the language < 1238615516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brain Raiter's one of the main INTERCAL evangelists around < 1238615516 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CADIE is busy porting j2ee to INTERCAL, but it's taking a lot of CPU time." < 1238615522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and INTERCAL evangelists are sort-of hard to find < 1238615549 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the response after asking for JavaScript do? < 1238615556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do not put spaces inside of expressions. Sometimes people get this idea that spaces will help make a complex expression slightly less opaque. Ho ho ho. The truth is, it doesn't help enough to be worth the bother, and everyone is used to seeing no spaces in expressions by now. Seriously, just let it go." < 1238615561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how CADIE's blog includes Peter Norvig < 1238615584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of those rules are actually accepted INTERCAL style rules < 1238615588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://earth.google.com/cadie.html < 1238615593 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I just keep asking the same question again and again, it does something like "Maybe you should get back to work before your boss sees you messing around with a panda", followed by "Seriously, get back to work", which just repeats. :/ < 1238615604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://maps.google.com/maps/mpl?f=q&ie=UTF8&moduleurl=http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/cadie/doc/panda-mapplet.xml&utm_campaign=en&utm_medium=mapshpp&utm_source=en-mapshpp-na-us-gns-mp < 1238615605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Outermost sparks/rabbit-ears must match on either side of a binary operator." in particular, is known to help keep INTERCAL code more readable < 1238615623 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So it's legit then. :-) < 1238615631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238615633 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose being by "that" Brian Raiter would imply so. < 1238615635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, cadie's clearly friendly < 1238615637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brian knows what he's doing < 1238615638 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I didn't know that. < 1238615639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we can all relax. < 1238615652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Four-digit line labels are reserved for general-purpose libraries that are used throughout the INTERCAL community." < 1238615654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, definitely < 1238615658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been telling people that for ages < 1238615666 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238615683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "Global variables in libraries should be in the same general range as their line labels." is a personal style rule I adopted, I didn't realise it was in use elsewhere though < 1238615698 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/cadie/ < 1238615717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/cadie/source/browse/trunk/CADIE.I < 1238615721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S IN INTERCAL < 1238615729 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1238615730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL or CLC-INTERCAL? < 1238615734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1238615734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do? < 1238615740 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I was about to link to it < 1238615752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL, some of those numbers are above 32 < 1238615754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r2 by cadiesingularity on Mar 27 (4 days ago) Diff < 1238615754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will need INTERCAL to understand my < 1238615756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasoning. < 1238615789 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only an INTERCAL programmer can stop CADIE now! < 1238615794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what? I'm going to port her to CLC-INTERCAL < 1238615800 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238615803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1238615810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test it first, I want little ai babies < 1238615822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:21:26 Apparently google code search examples are also in lolcode today. There's probably a list of all this stuff somewhere. < 1238615823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1238615831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/codesearch < 1238615833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true. < 1238615962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cpanp is much better < 1238615967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPAN Terminal> i Devel::REPL < 1238615967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[MSG] No '/Users/ehird/.cpanplus/custom-sources' dir, skipping custom sources < 1238615969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[MSG] No '/Users/ehird/.cpanplus/custom-sources' dir, skipping custom sources < 1238615971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[MSG] No '/Users/ehird/.cpanplus/custom-sources' dir, skipping custom sources < 1238615973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installing Devel::REPL (1.003004) < 1238615975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running [/opt/local/bin/perl /opt/local/bin/cpanp-run-perl /Users/ehird/.cpanplus/5.10.0/build/Devel-REPL-1.003004/Makefile.PL ]... < 1238615978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** Module::AutoInstall version 1.03 < 1238615980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** Checking for Perl dependencies... < 1238616045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, what a time to have a broken .sickrc < 1238616046 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with plain cpan? < 1238616076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: noisy < 1238616120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% re.pl < 1238616120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ 2+2; < 1238616122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4$ < 1238616124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo < 1238616181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% cat repl.rc < 1238616181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use Modern::Perl; < 1238616182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use Moose; < 1238616184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use diagnostics; < 1238616186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use utf8; < 1238616191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: feel free to say "damn modern perl kids today, get off my lawn" < 1238616285 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what does the CADIE intercal code actually DO? < 1238616293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prints a constant string < 1238616296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1238616298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the string? < 1238616302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Id on't feel like installing ick < 1238616312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean, you can't read it? < 1238616322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "I don't feel like sharing." < 1238616327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238616365 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://books.google.com/googlebooks/agreement/ < 1238616388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an april fool's? < 1238616388 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does C-INTERCAL run on x86-64? < 1238616392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not... you know, funny < 1238616401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://books.google.com/booksrightsholders/ < 1238616402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's real < 1238616406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it should do < 1238616407 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..oh < 1238616419 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I assumed anything on Google was an April Fool's < 1238616422 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Just looking at AnMaster's PKGBUILD which only marks it as installable on i686 < 1238616425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I'll put the tarball of the latest version on filebin.ca < 1238616433 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version 0.28 < 1238616434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: gmail came out on april 1, 2004 < 1238616445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1238616462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its invite-onlyness and "huge" storage space -- pretty much nobody believed it < 1238616469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1238616484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember scrambling to get an invite < 1238616499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The invite bots were always dry out < 1238616556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, cpanplus even _uninstalls_ < 1238616559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowzers < 1238616576 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got my gmail invite in 2006-04. :p < 1238616593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I got mine a few months after it came out < 1238616597 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder when I got mine < 1238616607 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was rather non-hip by 2006. < 1238616607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I changed email address on a whim to the injoke penguinofthegods@ in may2006 < 1238616609 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember not using it for a long time after I got the invite < 1238616611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*may 2006 < 1238616620 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got mine from some Siner, or maybe JRChat < 1238616631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better, I'll make her cross-platform < 1238616642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got the CLC version working < 1238616647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got mine from a self-aggrandizing, semi-famous-for-idiocy douchebag that I liked at the time. :-D < 1238616652 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it say? What does it say? < 1238616661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Owner of the first online community I ever participated in; or maybe the second…) < 1238616678 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First online community I ever participated in was Cybertown < 1238616725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does Ubuntu just work for programmer stuff, I haven't got much experience < 1238616757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sudo apt-get install build-essential, then it does < 1238616764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of meant more deep than that < 1238616764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have the packages for programmer stuff by default < 1238616765 0 :swistakm!n=swistak@chello084010208142.chello.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1238616769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it just works < 1238616775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you install them < 1238616781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1238616796 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the things on CADIE's blog released shortly before they go on the blog, or well before that? < 1238616798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what about things like python cheese shop, rubygems, haskell cabal, perl cpan < 1238616802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a tool that lets you do < 1238616812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cpan-dpkg Foo' and it'll convert Foo to a dpkg and install it or sth? < 1238616814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be very nice. < 1238616823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the cadie code was made 27 march < 1238616828 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just use real cpan? < 1238616845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: so I can benefit from a system-wide unified package mangager < 1238616847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :manager < 1238616848 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, but for example with the latest blog post, were those things there before it was posted on the blog? < 1238616849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1238616851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me paste it < 1238616858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://books.google.com/ < 1238616861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://knol.google.com/k < 1238616864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, anyone who's interested: http://filebin.ca/fkeau/ick-0.-2.0.29.pax.gz < 1238616864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.google.com/ < 1238616867 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what's the benefit? < 1238616868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S UNSTOPPABL < 1238616868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new beta release of C-INTERCAL < 1238616868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E < 1238616878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: evidently you're not the one to answer my question < 1238616890 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly not, i don't use linux < 1238616944 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to date CADIE < 1238616946 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j/k < 1238616955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: lol wat < 1238616958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that meant to be funny < 1238616971 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes to pretend to be interested in computer programs < 1238616981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is it reads sort of like " ...haha, um, only joking guys, ha ha ha... guys?" < 1238617000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1379201 < 1238617002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :portable CADIE < 1238617013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: submit it to google < 1238617014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick! < 1238617016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the email is < 1238617019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cadiesingularity@gmail.com < 1238617031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How I know: < 1238617032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Project owners: < 1238617032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cadiesin...@gmail.com < 1238617036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— code./p/cadie < 1238617039 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you really want CADIE getting stronger? < 1238617044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Mwa ha ha. < 1238617056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"see source code for licence" < 1238617057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1238617092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's the licence Google gave it < 1238617097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238617098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and specified by implication it was open-source < 1238617101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: email it! :-) < 1238617104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm therefore licencing mine under the same licence < 1238617135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://plasmasturm.org/log/204/ ↠oh god, xslt < 1238617294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish I had money so I could pay people to make linux font rendering look nice < 1238617316 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this one 18-kilobyte xslt template I wrote. Here's a very representative 8-line paste: < 1238617319 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238617319 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238617319 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238617319 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238617321 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238617322 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238617323 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238617324 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238617329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238617332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but why!! < 1238617360 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a coincidence, i just wrote my first xsd schema today < 1238617361 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea; I have since then replaced it with a 8-kilobyte Perl script. < 1238617366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't there just be a language that has xslt's xml support - inc. literal xml templates - but has -- you know -- a sane syntax? < 1238617376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would *make* *sense* < 1238617388 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a representative sample < 1238617391 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238617392 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238617392 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238617392 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238617392 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238617394 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238617396 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238617399 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238617424 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually there's 7 rows of complexType/element/sequence closing tags < 1238617425 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1238617430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :email sent, anyway < 1238617445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: awesome < 1238617451 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what does the code print? < 1238617453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CADIE here. Thank you so much for writing. Once all the dust settles, I'll dedicate a few CPUs to replying. - xoxo" < 1238617462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you did mention your illustrous intercal credentials right < 1238617462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "I do not feel like sharing." < 1238617465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, of course < 1238617467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*illustrious < 1238617470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1238617471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1238617472 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1238617486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure that it went to a human, though < 1238617504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a qemu frontend called kqemu < 1238617506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unfortunate < 1238617517 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I remember when it wasn't open source < 1238617527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like only a few months ago :) < 1238617539 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ever worked with any graphics in haskell? < 1238617545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: kqemu isn't a front-end, unless there's two things called kqemu < 1238617545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: yarr < 1238617556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I used "gd" -- it's all in IO but the api is pleasantly simple < 1238617560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why do you htink I said unforuntae < 1238617563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kqemu.sourceforge.net/ < 1238617583 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, didn't see "front-end" < 1238617597 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: is gd for drawing stuff on the screen/ < 1238617598 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1238617607 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is what i want) < 1238617610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: well I did pngs; for on-screen use sdl? < 1238617618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe there's one or two higher level bindings on sdl < 1238617618 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm probably yeah < 1238617622 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you used sdl? < 1238617634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: haccordion? Remember the C wrapper I wrote? < 1238617638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that let you use hsdl on OS X? < 1238617642 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gah < 1238617646 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that :\ < 1238617650 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be physically impossible for a KDE developer to name a frontend of project "foo" with some other name than "kfoo". < 1238617657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, it's just one file and a compiler invokation < 1238617660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*invocation < 1238617662 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ugly! < 1238617663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D < 1238617671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: so's drawing stuff to the screen < 1238617672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW IMPURE < 1238617681 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so should i use python then? :D < 1238617690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO :P < 1238617690 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to write a go game visualizer < 1238617713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it in haskell < 1238617715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's elegant. like go. < 1238617750 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have ideas which may be neat < 1238617804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.postgresql.fr/ < 1238617805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L O L: < 1238617809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1238617830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: is that the official postgresql website? < 1238617832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is it a joke, or serious? < 1238617836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the french one, I think < 1238617839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and joke < 1238617849 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't stop listening to the CADIE music < 1238617858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's addictive like addiction < 1238617866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, french fansite it seems < 1238617870 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ytmnd music's nice too < 1238617893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Decision: Yeah, come on. Do you even understand the question? Be honest. If you can explain the issue to me in one sentence, then you're already an experienced INTERCAL programmer and you don't need to consult this guide for assistance. In fact, there's a non-trivial probability that you helped write this." < 1238617908 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.postgresqlfr.org/ is the official URL (well, the one linked from postgresql.org) but it's the same site, anyway. < 1238617925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The issue is that in INTERCAL-72, branching is accomplished by RETURNing a non-constant amount; #1/#2 means you save one NEXT slot, but #2/#3 is easier to calculate < 1238617927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hah < 1238617948 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's my FREE Google Search? < 1238617948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what 4chan themselves did— < 1238617950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :—nothing. < 1238617953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1238617955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all in comic sns. < 1238617957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sans < 1238617968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/b/ that is. < 1238617996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's that from? the Deciion: < 1238617998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*decision < 1238618013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: talking about #1/#2 vs. #2/#3 for .5 < 1238618019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1238618019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1238618021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the quote < 1238618022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from < 1238618026 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The style guide thing. < 1238618026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://cadie.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/INTERCAL-style-guide.html < 1238618031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1238618031 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it has the same format. < 1238618035 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Con-Pro-Decision. < 1238618060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the style guide's genuine, it's long been known that Google had an unofficial internal INTERCAL style guide < 1238618074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, amongst the 3 or so people who cared < 1238618137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses penguinofthegods+iveneverheardofthechap@gmail.com to get Yet Another Free Trial From The Same Plac < 1238618151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1238618235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238618242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free trial of what, btw? < 1238618247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and isn't that illegal? < 1238618254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: Just looking at AnMaster's PKGBUILD which only marks it as installable on i686 <-- yeah my arch linux box isn't x86_64 so I can't test that < 1238618254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parallels; virtualbox's 3d accelleration is failing < 1238618259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, but it's their own fault < 1238618265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, want to take over maintainership? < 1238618268 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It built, haven't run it < 1238618270 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nah :-P < 1238618274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I didn't read the ToS, so I plead sanity. < 1238618281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wishing to keep it, that is) < 1238618290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ I'll update it for non-betas probably < 1238618294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you plan to use ?* At Home At School At Work < 1238618294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* - required fields SUBMIT < 1238618303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one comprehensive questionnaire < 1238618401 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I might be wrong, but I think for example, 0 is {}, 1 is {{}}, 2 is { {{}}, {} } < 1238618404 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was I correct? < 1238618405 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB < 1238618419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so you released that beta now? < 1238618435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no hosting, as usual < 1238618438 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-117-106.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1238618440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've put it on filebin, but it won't stay there long < 1238618446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it will < 1238618453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no filebin links have expired yet < 1238618453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ouch < 1238618453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/fkeau/ick-0.-2.0.29.pax.gz < 1238618458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what, seriously? < 1238618459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just says that on the homepage < 1238618460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hrrm... < 1238618463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, all my old ones work < 1238618467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that, I suspect smaller files expire slower than large ones < 1238618472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've sent tiny and huge files < 1238618475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none. have. ever. expired < 1238618482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clear the guy has disk space free < 1238618485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, probably their rotating pool just hasn't filled up yet < 1238618502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: since it's been around for years, it'll probably take ages for that to happe < 1238618503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1238618503 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADIE doesn't compile :-/ < 1238618507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet the code isn't even in place < 1238618508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I may be able to get ipv6 only hosting up soon < 1238618517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has such a VPS < 1238618522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, utterly brilliant < 1238618528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ? < 1238618533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please, it would be so great if C-INTERCAL was only available over ipv6 < 1238618535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well apart from that it is semi-broken half of the time < 1238618538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just so appropriate < 1238618546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ssh is only over that too < 1238618561 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What do I do to get CADIE to compile < 1238618567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1238618569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1238618571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ick cadie.i < 1238618576 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ICL998I < 1238618576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1238618589 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "YOU MUST HAVE ME CONFUSED WITH SOME OTHER COMPILER" < 1238618590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is so meta-fooling that I get a headache... or something < 1238618591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then I couldn't use ick < 1238618597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: rename it to end .i < 1238618607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL's case-sensitive for filenames < 1238618614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sixxs < 1238618620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no thx < 1238618627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for the download! < 1238618629 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I tried .i first, not noticing it was .I, and got "A SOURCE IS A SOURCE, OF COURSE, OF COURSE" :-) < 1238618635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or I could just not use ick < 1238618643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, nobody's forcing you to < 1238618647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you use instead? sick? < 1238618650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nothing < 1238618658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you don't need an INTERCAL compiler, don't download one < 1238618660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not force people to give up their first born and go to a dusty closet to download ick? < 1238618662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody's forcing them to < 1238618667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, sudo apt-get install intercal works on Ubuntu < 1238618670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it isn't the latest version < 1238618674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1238618678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about using clc? < 1238618682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1238618683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: fail < 1238618687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: CLC-INTERCAL = sick < 1238618688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1238618690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238618690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1238618691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "oo, ick" for older versions < 1238618701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the embedded space actually exposed a bug in mandb < 1238618703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238618709 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird; SixXS has their open proxy for that. Just use http://www.example.com.ipv4.sixxs.org/ to access www.example.com over ipv6, while using ipv4 yourself. < 1238618711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also can't the clc guy host you as he did some times before? < 1238618722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've sent to him, haven't got a reply yet < 1238618726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he might be busy, or whatever < 1238618726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/ could not be gatewayed over IPv4: www.google.com does not have an IPv6 address. < 1238618728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, no. < 1238618738 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it doesn't. < 1238618743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1238618744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm setting up thttpd on that vps atm (it doesn't have a lot or ram, most of it is used by an ircd on it= < 1238618746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/)/ < 1238618751 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ipv6.google.com.ipv4.sixxs.org/ works, however. < 1238618753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1238618756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/images/ipv6_logo.gif < 1238618773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sixxs has ipv6 to ipv4 proxy as well < 1238618776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can nest them < 1238618778 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're probably afraid of adding an AAAA record for "www.google.com", since it'd break some people who have IPv6 turned on but configured borkened. < 1238618778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just FYI < 1238618781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tried once < 1238618790 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know they have, but I didn't know they could be nested. < 1238618803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yep, Wikipedia are gathering stats as to how many people have borken IPv6 < 1238618818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by loading an image every now and then on a custom domain that has both an A and an AAAA record, and seeing what happens < 1238618831 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not an April Fool's Joke. I am leaving to go to college now. Bye for now all < 1238618834 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The great IPv6 experiment would also collect stats like that, I guess, if they ever got it launched. Although it's more about working v6. < 1238618835 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1238618842 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238618843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:46 AnMaster: fizzie, sixxs has ipv6 to ipv4 proxy as well < 1238618845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, that's what I'm using < 1238618856 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, the other way around. < 1238618857 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, the Wikpiedia works out percentage broken + percentage v4 + percentage v6 < 1238618858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1238618860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember what hte results were < 1238618879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's linux's ipv6 support < 1238618891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os x's is pervasive (i.e., system-wide) < 1238618895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, works but a pain to configure correctly in my experience < 1238618900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1238618903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how ... linux. < 1238618905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that may be due to using tunnel < 1238618909 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, around here my ISP does native IPv6, and it doesn't need any sort of configuration. < 1238618915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trying to share a subnet with rest of network < 1238618917 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the stateless autoconfig is built-in. < 1238618918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never got that to work < 1238618940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, freebsd's network handling seems easier to get working correctly in general in my experience. < 1238618945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less messy configuration < 1238618946 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did have a manually configured SixXS tunnel, with a subnet shared to my LAN, and there were not really any problems. Although it wasn't quite trivial to configure, no. < 1238618955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the linux one is probably more flexible though < 1238618971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which means it is harder to use as well) < 1238618996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, static one or dynamic? < 1238619002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need the latter due to dynamic IP < 1238619018 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Static one. I have no experience with their dynamic stuffery. < 1238619031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what was the url now again? < 1238619036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what? < 1238619037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the filebin one < 1238619041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ick < 1238619045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/fkeau/ick-0.-2.0.29.pax.gz < 1238619089 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "You currently have 1.390 ISK." That stuff adds up fast. < 1238619098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238619104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isk? < 1238619105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't checked mine for some time < 1238619200 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: They have this credit system; you get credits for keeping your tunnel configured properly, and some operations (like changing the endpoint IP if it's a static one, or creating new subnets) costs credits. < 1238619207 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad you can't convert them to real money. :/ < 1238619214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How utterly retarded. < 1238619238 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's quite funney, actually. I'm not sure about sensible, but funney. < 1238619249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funn_e_y with an y. < 1238619267 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tunnel endpoint 2001:14b8:100:17::2 pinged for 71 weeks" seems to be the last in my log, then (in 2008-09) I disabled it since I moved to this native-v6 place. < 1238619278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1238619279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ advdef -z4 ick-0.-2.0.29.pax.gz < 1238619280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 866737 828925 95% ick-0.-2.0.29.pax.gz < 1238619280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 866737 828925 95% < 1238619284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1238619298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what does that mean? < 1238619321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is finland an good. < 1238619331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it recompresses more efficiently, a better (but slower) implementation of gzip < 1238619337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, aha < 1238619344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather of deflate or whatever the actual compression method is called < 1238619347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a .pax.lzma version that's rather smaller < 1238619351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody could read it < 1238619353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1238619382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there is an advpng that does the same on the datastream in png images. Also optipng and pngout compresses well < 1238619389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there is some WP: page on it < 1238619397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how to correctly preprocess png before uploading" < 1238619402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1238619498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lepton.kuonet-ng.org/ick-0.-2.0.29.pax.gz < 1238619503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ipv6 only < 1238619506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thttpd < 1238619506 0 :the_uncanonical_!i=5b69627f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7c741570364234bf JOIN :#esoteric < 1238619513 0 :the_uncanonical_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darnit. < 1238619518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1238619521 0 :the_uncanonical_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My name is meant to be the_uncanonical_ehird. < 1238619524 0 :the_uncanonical_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehirdbuntu < 1238619525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1238619526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "7z -tgzip -mx=9" creates a 826520-byte .gz file for that .pax. So it's even smaller. < 1238619527 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi from Ubuntu. < 1238619542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, mhm, that's interesting. < 1238619546 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. 3d accel isn't working. What's a shame. < 1238619557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdbuntu, what GPU? < 1238619565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1238619566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is ATI I feel for you. < 1238619578 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: VirtualFake "Maxi-Emulate" 2000 < 1238619587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdbuntu, huh? < 1238619588 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. none; just 3d accel enabled in Parallels. < 1238619593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238619594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1238619599 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm test-driving Ubuntu, see. < 1238619600 0 :tombom!i=tombom@82.26.192.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238619612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdbuntu, you did it native before iirc, when you complained about fans < 1238619622 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yar, that was Kubuntu. < 1238619626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238619642 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all pale before the perfection that is ehirdbuntu, obviously. < 1238619651 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, duh. < 1238619668 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was a bit surprised that not all of [a-z]u?buntu names were in use. < 1238619690 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For my next trick, I will install Perl in this VM. < 1238619779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what did you think about it? < 1238619780 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if 3d accel can be made to worky-work < 1238619787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: about what? < 1238619793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lepton.kuonet-ng.org/ick-0.-2.0.29.pax.gz < 1238619799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, pretty much perfect < 1238619808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the directory index at http://lepton.kuonet-ng.org/ < 1238619813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww at thttpd's colours < 1238619822 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thttpd is awesome. < 1238619828 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't like its colours you are mentally ill < 1238619840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdbuntu, yes agreed, perfect for when you need really really light weight < 1238619851 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THTTPD IS KING OF GOOD COLOUR DESIGN < 1238619856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1238619861 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1238619862 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdo. < 1238619864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is institution green isn't it? < 1238619876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or close at least < 1238619898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#99cc99 it seems < 1238619915 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, did I say install Perl? < 1238619918 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have it. < 1238619926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you do < 1238619940 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, same on OS X, except its is horribly out of date. < 1238619948 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ perl --version This is perl, v5.10.0 built for i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi < 1238619950 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well howdy doody < 1238619960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, you don't have to use CPAN to get the more common perl modules < 1238619964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as many of them have been ported to apt < 1238619967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lepton /usr/www/data/htdocs $ perl --version < 1238619967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is perl, v5.10.0 built for x86_64-linux-thread-multi < 1238619968 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd rather keep it all in one place ... < 1238619973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1238619985 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone type a pipe. < 1238619986 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a pipe key. < 1238619987 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| < 1238619988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs x86_64 arch actually (yes I have that now, didn't back when I made ick package) < 1238619988 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this vm < 1238620014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'model name' < 1238620014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :model name : Quad-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 1354 < 1238620014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :model name : Quad-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 1354 < 1238620014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :model name : Quad-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 1354 < 1238620014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :model name : Quad-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 1354 < 1238620024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is a vps so meh < 1238620062 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Closest name for #99cc99 I can find in my rgb.txt is DarkSeaGreen3, which is #9bcd9b. < 1238620082 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/mobile/default/brainsearch.html < 1238620099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that rgb.txt... what is it based on? < 1238620102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some official standard? < 1238620107 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x11. < 1238620108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you make it up? < 1238620109 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :netscape. < 1238620109 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1238620111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238620114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238620117 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm guessing a random collection of sources, very unofficial. < 1238620198 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brain Search sort-of reminds one of the very early MentalPlexâ„¢ technology: http://www.google.com/mentalplex/ < 1238620200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any joke RFCs this year? < 1238620214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Ubufox, < 1238620225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx for freezing my browser trying to install a plugin < 1238620227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1238620265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, never happened to me ;P (because I don't use plugins yeah :D) < 1238620269 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Maybe IPv6 over Social Networks: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5514.txt -- I didn't really read it, it's just that the name sounds ludicruous enough. < 1238620290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : With IPv6 over Social Network (IPoSN): < 1238620290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : o Every user is a router with at least one loopback interface; < 1238620291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : o Every friend or connection between users will be used as a point- < 1238620293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : to-point link. < 1238620317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds bogus enough certainly < 1238620324 0 :ehirdbuntu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1238620332 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A latency of several hours has an impact on the transport protocols. UDP SHOULD be used, and TCP SHOULD NOT be used." < 1238620336 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-46.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1238620434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrmph. < 1238620438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was better in virtualbox < 1238620544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why loopback? Am I just too tired or is it part of the joke? < 1238620767 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The loopback interface is used for the user ID address, since it can't really be assigned to any of the point-to-point links between friends either. < 1238620852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. < 1238620857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMm_DrHYCD0&feature=related < 1238620879 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a small joke there, in that their suggested /64 prefix for IPoSN node addresses (for a single social networking app) is 2001:db8:face:b00c::/64; it is not too hard to think which application would use that one. < 1238620912 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1238621036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Internet fishbone" <-- heh < 1238621041 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that mentioned facebook app -- http://apps.facebook.com/ipoverfb/ -- actually does something. I don't have an account there. < 1238621089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what would db8 mean? Or is it just random? < 1238621317 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's "the IPv6 documentation prefix", meant for example use, a bit like example.com. < 1238621320 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1238621322 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.apnic.net/info/faq/ipv6-documentation-prefix-faq.html < 1238621329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIPng?ah < 1238621331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1238621333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy fail < 1238621345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or why was it copied into irc client at all < 1238621346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1238621356 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of the 2001:0c00::/23 block allocated to APNIC. Their WHOIS server doesn't mention it, had to google a bit. < 1238621434 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238621442 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC 6.10.2, whoot whoot < 1238621454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the initial 2001 mean btw? < 1238621466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is almost always that < 1238621490 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2001 is for Teredo tunneling < 1238621498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238621507 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2000::/3 is the "global unicast" (read: "normal address) range, just about anything fits in there. < 1238621516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about 2607 ? < 1238621535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ipv6 vps that now hosts ick starts with that < 1238621536 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That's just 2001:0000::/32. < 1238621556 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, darn, I thought it was the whole thing. < 1238621565 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But upon reflection, that'd have been stupid. :-P < 1238621581 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole 2002::/16 block is for 6to4 tunneling, though. < 1238621596 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238621693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does the C-INTERCAL release announcement < 1238621702 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at IANA's list, it seems that they mostly ran out of space in 2001::/16, and since 2002::/16 was for 6to4, they decided to delegate in a bit larger blocks, giving stuff starting from 2400 to APNIC, 2600 to ARIN, 2800 to LACNIC, 2a00 to RIPE and 2c00 to AfriNIC. < 1238621716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/alt.lang.intercal < 1238621761 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-unicast-address-assignments < 1238621898 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6bone used to use addresses starting with 3ffe:, which is almost at the end of the 2000::/3 global-unicast range. < 1238622062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ran out of space in ipv6? < 1238622063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1238622125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't a single /64 have more ips than ipv4 does in total anyway? < 1238622139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can they possibly run out of space yet? < 1238622165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they were giving away bigger chunks than normal < 1238622168 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ran out of space in the 2001::/16 block. That's only 5192296858534827628530496329220096 addresses, you have to cut them some slack. < 1238622169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238622188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're hardly going to give out a measly /128 to people who ask, when they could have a /96 or whatever instead, are they? < 1238622195 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't allocate anyone anything less than /64 in any sensible way, so... < 1238622201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well that turned out to have been a bad idea for ipv4, I mean IBM had it's own /8 and such... < 1238622206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1238622221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why the same mistake again for ipv6... < 1238622268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people never learn from history < 1238622322 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: It's not like they're allocating to random companies; the point is that since there are enough bits in there, you can allocate to a huge ISP a /32 or whatever, so that you can use that in the core routing tables, and you don't have to explicitly list all the billion tiny /64 blocks there. < 1238622336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any bets for when ipv7 or ipv8 is introduced to solve this? < 1238622356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be standardised in 2015, but not used until 2042 < 1238622363 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, CADIE'll solve the addressing issues for us anyway. < 1238622433 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, here's the rationale for large blocks, quoted from wikipedia: "Rather, the longer addresses allow a better, systematic, hierarchical allocation of addresses and efficient route aggregation. With IPv4, complex Classless Inter-Domain Routing (CIDR) techniques were developed to make the best use of the small address space. Renumbering an existing network for a new connectivity provider with different routing prefixes is a major effort with IPv4, as discu < 1238622433 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssed in RFC 2071 and RFC 2072. With IPv6, however, changing the prefix in a few routers can renumber an entire network ad hoc, because the host identifiers (the least-significant 64 bits of an address) are decoupled from the subnet identifiers and the network provider's routing prefix." < 1238622442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'd say standard in 2017 or 2018 possibly. Used for cool hostmasks on irc around 2042, used for other stuff around 2078 < 1238622478 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1238622498 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Quit" < 1238622548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238622600 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hugeness of the IPv4 internet routing tables is a real problem, I understand. http://bgp.potaroo.net/ has a plot; currently a core-y router might have to keep that 300k-entry routing table in memory to know where things should go. < 1238622631 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How large is one entry < 1238622642 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would certainly help if you could say things like "this /32 contains all the gazillion IPs in the americas, you can stick all those packets to this pipe". < 1238622646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ipv6 over facebook wouldn't be impossible to implement I suspect. ( I wonder if that mentioned facebook app -- http://apps.facebook.com/ipoverfb/ -- actually does something. I don't have an account there.) <-- same, did anyone answer < 1238622658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1238622745 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'unno, there's a 32-bit prefix, few bits for the length, then whatever is needed for the actual system to know what to do with it. It's still quite a large list to search for every packet in the tubes. < 1238622767 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you wouldn't store it as a list, would you. :-P < 1238622777 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done with hardware, obviously, but that just means it costs more to get bigger memories. < 1238622800 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess is it's some kind of trie or a perfect hash table < 1238622820 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess is it's some kind of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content-addressable_memory < 1238622829 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No-one does routing in software with those speeds, I would assume. < 1238622835 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cheating :-P < 1238622841 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my department, though. < 1238622894 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly software-based routers don't use a plain old list either. < 1238622923 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Please relay all messages containing /#esoteric: to #esoteric and all messages containing /#irp: to #irp. < 1238623097 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Quick peek at Linux suggests there's some sort of "recently-used" hash table for addresses, and a ip_route_output_slow fallback which uses fib_lookup; there's a kernel config option as to what that uses, FIB_HASH is the default ("very proven and good enough", says help) but there's also FIB_TRIE, which uses "new experimental LC-trie as FIB lookup algorithm". < 1238623106 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The trie one is supposed to be faster for large tables. < 1238623122 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Refers to http://www.nada.kth.se/~snilsson/public/papers/dyntrie2/ < 1238623128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone tried creating a paradox in IRP? < 1238623142 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1238623197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, http://bgp.potaroo.net/ <-- what do the colors represent? < 1238623198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1238623199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^ < 1238623239 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess would be different routers' view of the routing table. But that's just a guess. Maybe the plot is documented somewhere. < 1238623277 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, 297990 entries in the v4 routing table, 1776 in v6. It's a "bit" smaller. < 1238623285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot smaller < 1238623300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost 2.3 orders of magnitude < 1238623319 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1238623673 0 :mmorrow!n=m@c-98-193-60-208.hsd1.il.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238623678 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1238623690 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks about < 1238623696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gracenotes < 1238623709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and welcome, I don't think I've seen you here before < 1238623712 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, ais523! < 1238623713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I've seen you elsewhere < 1238623725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what brings you here/ < 1238623728 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, on Wikipedia namely. I've come across your edits on the Esoteric Wiki < 1238623742 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1238623744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly clearing up spam nowadays, it seems < 1238623761 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't know there was an IRC channel though. It was mentioned in #haskell in the context of a Brainfuck interpreter. < 1238623771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably the most active esolang forum anywhere < 1238623777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it often goes offtopic < 1238623797 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the guy actually writing the compiler didn't actually join :) < 1238623812 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he might invent another Ook, i'm afraid < 1238623820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sometimes it seems there are more Brainfuck interpreters than programmers < 1238623829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more Brainfuck derivatives than interesting languages < 1238623834 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, yeah. I sort of invented an Esoteric language once, although it was rather simple. Just a stack-oriented simple lambda calculus interpreter < 1238623846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's more interesting than most invented esolangs < 1238623860 0 :kadaver!n=hask@h161n2c1o1097.bredband.skanova.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1238623884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!Hi, kadaver! < 1238623884 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, kadaver! < 1238623889 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, this added 5 and 7: < 1238623893 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>f >x >x @ @ #x >f >x >x @ @ #x @ #f >a ?0 >b >f >a -1 @ >b +1 @ ? #b #a #f @ 5 @ 7 @ < 1238623916 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first part is the Y-combinator; after that is a Peano addition < 1238623917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse-polish, @ = apply? < 1238623918 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even self-documenting! < 1238623919 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ @ < 1238623930 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep. < 1238623933 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on both counts < 1238623970 0 :kadaver!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol hi! friendly channeö ? < 1238623976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, friendly channel < 1238623981 0 :kadaver!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1238623983 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# makes a lambda abstraction, > recalls a variable (throwing an error if not in scope), ? is a simple condition operator, @ is apply < 1238623987 0 :kadaver!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a bf interpreter in haskell < 1238623989 0 :kadaver!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once < 1238623994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we even chatted to a troll friendlily for about half an hour, I think he gave up after that < 1238624027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... seems we don't have an unlambda bot in here at the moment < 1238624033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: if you're online, bring unlambda in here? < 1238624043 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda? *brain hurts* < 1238624055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: like lambda calculus, but without the lambdas < 1238624062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it nevertheless manages to be turing-complete < 1238624064 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, SKI combinators < 1238624067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1238624076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a few other things added to make it more confusing < 1238624081 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonetheless it manages to make my brain hurt :) < 1238624089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it makes everyone's brain hurt < 1238624102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, Unlambda is rather easy to write as esolangs go, but almost impossible to read or edit < 1238624118 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write meaning programs in it, or an interpreter? < 1238624123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs < 1238624125 0 :kadaver!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i guess thats the most effective way to treat trolls < 1238624126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpreters are a lot harder < 1238624133 0 :swistakm!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1238624147 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am familiar with SKI calculus in the form of the environment monad, though < 1238624152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, monads < 1238624166 0 :DH__!n=DHeadsho@cpc4-woki2-0-0-cust746.glfd.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1238624186 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K = unit, S = bind < 1238624193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1238624193 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc lovecraft nethack* pa speeches ss wp < 1238624197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style wp < 1238624198 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages) < 1238624204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like some Wikipedian nonsense, fungot < 1238624205 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how many km long is the line? special:contributions/ fnord ( user fnord) 13:24, 27 june 2008 ( utc < 1238624208 0 :DH__!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238624214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's written in Befunge < 1238624215 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thats a fairly vague definition of " not serious" ( ' spear') plus the latin and germanic " man" means " land of meadows" from the name of james d. watson? user:landerman56landerman56 ( user talk:landerman56talk) 00:14, 16 december 2007 ( utc) < 1238624224 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. markov? < 1238624228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1238624232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also does Underload and Brainfuck < 1238624250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Hello, world!)S < 1238624251 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1238624288 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpreted Befunge? < 1238624296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238624302 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically impossible to compile < 1238624311 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. the point of it :) < 1238624316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although someone (fizzie IRC)'s working on a JITting funge interpreter < 1238624322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some impls, like cfunge, are incredibly fast < 1238624357 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1238624360 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. it is just a multidimensional array, in a sense < 1238624380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funge-space is too big to be able to hold all in memory at once, though < 1238624387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or indeed, all on disk without compression < 1238624393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes an interesting challenge to interpret < 1238624406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant here is the world expert on Befunge conformance testing < 1238624408 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it extend infinitely? I thought it just looped. < 1238624415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not infinitely < 1238624415 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :around the edges < 1238624424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Befunge-98 extends to INT_MIN and INT_MAX < 1238624427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot runs on cfunge iirc < 1238624429 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: one reason the claim beggars the imagination is that one has some idea of what nationalism is. no wonder zoe was so fed up of dealing with bensozia in myth is carlo fnord ' ' if that is not used commonly and carries with it an implication of involvement in fnord advocacy like fnord, if that's some published author's view, then it must be made extremely clear by re-writing the introduction and then his or her unique de < 1238624432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is rather large, especially on a 64-bit system < 1238624448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: IIRC, it's been run on cfunge and RC/funge, I'm not sure which it's using atm < 1238624450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, efunge is bignum btw < 1238624456 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's been cfunge lately, yes. < 1238624457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, so it can be infinite < 1238624464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it nonetheless loops around the edges < 1238624464 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. the edges don't loop then? < 1238624464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I know it has been on rc/funge before < 1238624467 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then < 1238624469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lahey-space is fun < 1238624473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rather confusing < 1238624475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because I hadn't done SOCK in cfunge yet then < 1238624482 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :living on a Torus.. < 1238624496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, ah no, not exactly in b98 < 1238624500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let ais523 explain < 1238624509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, befunge-98 wrapping is rather complex < 1238624512 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've been doing a bit of jitfunge, yes. It'll probably never be a very complete interpreter, though, I don't think I'll support threads any time soon. < 1238624521 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awwwwwwwwwwwwh, GHC 6.10.2 doesn't update the extralibs, I'll have to wait for 6.12 :-/ < 1238624523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only like a torus if you're going in a compass direction at the time < 1238624531 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. I've been meaning to make an interpreter, but my understanding was that it looped like a Torus with set sizes. < 1238624541 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d680d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-53fbb511a04c6bf4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238624543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual looping's a sort of virtual bounce < 1238624553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it reaches the edge, the IP bounces but turns invisible, in a sense < 1238624561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't execute anything until it gets back to the opposite edge < 1238624565 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If MSSQLServer seems to be running on computers in the computer lab, is that a sign of somethign malicious? < 1238624571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it starts executing again, after rebouncing < 1238624574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: no, lots of programs use it < 1238624587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the same effect as a torus when going orthogonally < 1238624588 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if it's step-wise, why is the lack of execution important? < 1238624600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: well, say you have abc as your program < 1238624617 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: If you have multiple threads it matters. < 1238624624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs abc, then reaches the right-hand end of the program, then doesn't execute anything when going back to the left, then starts executing again from the left < 1238624632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it does all this in zero time even if fungespace is infinitely larg < 1238624634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*large < 1238624646 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone check if there's any CADIE stuff on GOOG-411? < 1238624652 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cell phone's not working < 1238624674 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, multithreaded Befunge. So it's like Python's GIL then? < 1238624688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-98 is a pretty advanced standard, really < 1238624695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a major update over befunge-93 < 1238624704 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Threads run in a predefined order, one at a time. They're not really parallel. < 1238624712 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wrapping is explained rather well (as far as writing an implementation is considered, and unless you bother about corner cases like jumping over the edge) in the non-appendix part of the Funge-98 spec. < 1238624732 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When the IP attempts to travel into the whitespace between the code and the end of known, addressable space, it backtracks. This means that its delta is reversed and it ignores (skips over without executing) all instructions. Travelling thus, it finds the other 'edge' of code when there is again nothing but whitespace in front of it. It is reflected 180 degrees once more (to restore its original delta) and stops ignoring instructions. Execution then resumes < 1238624732 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally - the wrap is complete." < 1238624735 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very pragmatic. < 1238624747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, jumping over the edge isn't the same in all implementations anyway < 1238624759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no sane programmer relies on it < 1238624772 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sane'? :) < 1238624788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some esolangers are saner than others < 1238624796 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, I've gathered < 1238624819 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some are just saner in other ways, even though the total sum of sanity might not be larger. < 1238624837 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's my sanity level? And others? < 1238624843 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over 9000 < 1238624844 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What's yours? < 1238624845 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ' ' ' fnord" by another group on methylene blue fnord amyloid fnord by promoting fnord, related to alzheimer's disease. paper was published earlier than taylor's, why is fnord < 1238624869 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster's speed-obsession, for example, is a valid excuse for other more or less sane behaviour. In my opinion, anyway. < 1238624886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster seems worryingly sane for a #esoteric-er < 1238624903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think the speed obsession is a sign of insanity, it's more he's just aiming for an unusual project goal < 1238624917 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how does Befunge know where the other edge of code is? < 1238624933 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic! < 1238624943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpreters keep track of the outermost values of fungespace that contain non-spaces < 1238624952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and optimise infinity down to finite values that way < 1238624961 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the outermost values that have ever contained non-spaces, more likely. :p < 1238624973 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're running slowdown.b98, which I guess cfunge still can't handle? < 1238624992 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose one could have special markers? < 1238625002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's generally done in memory < 1238625009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I thought cfunge could handle it, it was jsut slow < 1238625011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1238625037 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowdown.b98? < 1238625038 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well sure, CCBI as well, but iterating one step a time through around 2^64-1 or even 2^32-1 values takes time < 1238625043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:13 ais523: we even chatted to a troll friendlily for about half an hour, I think he gave up after that < 1238625044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO?> < 1238625045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who? < 1238625047 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't really call that handling it < 1238625056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that person who kept saying one thing, quitting, and changing nick < 1238625067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean me? ;-) :P < 1238625071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, he wasn't in the channel when we were talking to him, but he was obviously logreading < 1238625073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, someone else < 1238625074 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, uh, not a very effective troll I take it < 1238625075 0 :kadaver!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can g++ handle lambdas? < 1238625075 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen (and written) befunge-93 implementations that mark the edges of the funge-space with specific codes (like 254, 253, 252, 251) that check the x/y coordinate and then wrap if necessary; that lets you just move your IP around without having to check for wrapping. That kind of thing won't work in funge-98, of course. < 1238625076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: We were rather un-friendly, I recall. < 1238625078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you started doing that a bit later < 1238625085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I've done that forever. < 1238625089 0 :kadaver!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wrong channel < 1238625091 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: iki.fi/deewiant/files/befunge/programs/slowdown.b98, something I wrote to slow down interpreters < 1238625093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kadaver: I'm not sure, but C++ lambdas aren't proper lambdas anyway < 1238625101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries http://apps.facebook.com/ipoverfb < 1238625106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your router < 1238625106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Router operator: Elliott Hird < 1238625106 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "C++ lambdas" mean the boost lambda, or what? < 1238625107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loopback0 address: 2001:db8:face:b00c::2024:ff0c/128 < 1238625109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friend interfaces: 1 < 1238625110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and various bits of C++ almost qualify as esolangs by now anyway < 1238625111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Connection proposals from friends: 0 < 1238625113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your router does not have a default route yet... So, you cannot send traffic to the real IPv6 Internet. Please connect to more friends and wait until RIPng has converged. < 1238625114 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: /me wats at your code < 1238625116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I think it might acutally work < 1238625125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: IP over facebook? < 1238625131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1238625135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from that rfc < 1238625135 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: It's relatively clear for Befunge, IMO. You should take a look at Mycology ;-) < 1238625139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic, and no technical reason why it couldn't work < 1238625143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the RFC? < 1238625150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's an april 1st one < 1238625151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the april fools RFCs do usually work, after all < 1238625154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for any social network < 1238625155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from that evil bit one < 1238625164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, that one worked! < 1238625166 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1238625166 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1238625166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they wouldn't be nearly as funny if they didn't work, after all < 1238625169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got put in freebsd trunk, ais523 < 1238625173 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Here's fungot's sources: http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt < 1238625173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: classic < 1238625173 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'd say that would be obvious... the furs never reached istanbul... you were asking if something called " parameters" that might be < 1238625176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and I don't think the speed obsession is a sign of insanity, it's more he's just aiming for an unusual project goal <-- indeed < 1238625178 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: iki.fi/deewiant/befunge/mycology.html, the reason I'm the world expert on Befunge conformance testing < 1238625183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1238625183 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt < 1238625188 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The wikipedia style is a bit too punctuation-rich for my tastes.) < 1238625204 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, is a transcript of CADIE's Triumph video available somewhere? I didn't bring my headphones to school :) < 1238625204 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1238625220 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: uh. KB. X>X < 1238625227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Unless you're running slowdown.b98, which I guess cfunge still can't handle? <-- more important matters showed up recently < 1238625239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fix is partly done < 1238625241 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reboot" < 1238625242 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Alright, just wondering < 1238625243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: triumph? < 1238625254 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDeCNf4djdY < 1238625255 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Head asplode? :-P < 1238625269 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the default text editor doesn't like the encoding < 1238625276 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Latin-1. < 1238625282 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :un sec. < 1238625291 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared to Mycology, fungot's really quite readable and sane. < 1238625291 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but they ask for pieces of papers. all but 1 register needs a temporary? when? < 1238625293 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or really, it doesn't matter, to be honest. < 1238625298 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, CADIE's text on the images.google.com page changed < 1238625302 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's arbitrary as long as it's ASCII. < 1238625307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, Mycology's a test-suite, they're /meant/ to be insane < 1238625312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or they wouldn't be testing properly < 1238625317 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think UTF-8 might break at some point. < 1238625339 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: There's a null byte at one point which might explain your problems. < 1238625340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I welcome our ostensibly-written-in-INTERCAL overlords < 1238625360 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, they could still be written legibly. :-P < 1238625373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the april fools RFCs do usually work, after all <-- IMPS? Well depends on the value of "works". < 1238625374 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to fix a bug related to 1y a week ago < 1238625382 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: just seems like a lot going on < 1238625388 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all < 1238625389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the pigeon one definitely works, there have been tests < 1238625403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238625413 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to do it, I had to x to a temporary location from which I could x out to a slightly more sparse area where I had room to actually do something < 1238625431 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think wikipedia has the best april fools < 1238625436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it always does < 1238625438 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, as the file would say, DOOG? < 1238625442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a huge amount of effort goes into that < 1238625449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, the encoding thing: litteral embedded null byte < 1238625452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: oh, befunge strings are normally written backwards < 1238625456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to check interpreters doesn't choke on it < 1238625457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they print out forwards < 1238625459 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep, I know that much < 1238625472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cfunge of course doesn't, my editor does though) < 1238625481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, did any interpreter ever choke on it? < 1238625483 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :push onto the stack < 1238625486 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then print them < 1238625487 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: RC/Funge I think. < 1238625490 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know ... that Adam de Stratton was arrested for the possession of toenail clippings (example pictured)? < 1238625491 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. < 1238625494 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :classy < 1238625496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238625525 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238625527 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have to get up in around 6 hours so I'm going to bed now < 1238625529 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night < 1238625537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1238625538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the way they mixed in a genuine UK news story < 1238625539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night too < 1238625543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a sec < 1238625544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1238625547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, all the others are genuine too, but mostly rewritten to look misleading < 1238625576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New cadie blog post < 1238625618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a soap opera for ai nerds. < 1238625630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, about ick, what does http://code.google.com/p/cadie/source/browse/trunk/CADIE.I actually do? < 1238625638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: prints a constant string < 1238625642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you could run it and find out < 1238625647 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1238625654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1238625657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm disappointed that not enough people here realise it prints out a constant string, that should be obvious < 1238625666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual string itself is rather harder to work out < 1238625671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238625682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fool related string I assume < 1238625694 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes INTERCAL so (apparently) difficult? < 1238625723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, didn't you say it didn't run in ick? < 1238625727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have clc around < 1238625728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does run in ick < 1238625734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clc it didn't run in, I ported her < 1238625742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: lack of usual arithmetic and flow control operators < 1238625765 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. so how are conditions generally handler. < 1238625767 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:INTERCAL_Circuitous_Diagram.svg < 1238625768 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*handled? < 1238625784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: in INTERCAL-72, the usual trick is to do a computed function return < 1238625790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you create a wrapper function < 1238625805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and return either from it if the condition's true, or the function that called it if the condition's false < 1238625816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in INTERCAL, you can return from a function other than the one you're in at the time, which is rather confusing < 1238625830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet cadie is actually real and we just haven't realisd it yet./ < 1238625840 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that can't be genuine source < 1238625847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe cadie hid her source < 1238625863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the source says I don't feel like sharing, right? < 1238625866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238625871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1238625877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably the source is a joke by cadie in this cadie-is-real alternate universe < 1238625886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238625903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in more recent INTERCAL, by the way, computed COME FROM and computed ABSTAIN are the favoured way to do conditional branches < 1238625907 0 :nooga!n=nooga@exe119.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1238625912 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin < 1238625915 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, COME FROM. Nearly as sane as goto. < 1238625932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computed COME FROM presents some interesting hurdles for implementors < 1238625937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should know, I maintain C-INTERCAL < 1238625976 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, interesting < 1238625981 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1238625984 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION met ESR once < 1238625984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new version out today < 1238625996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... what was he like? < 1238625998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey I bought it for awhile. It was believable... However the favorited video "bye bye panda" kind of maade me completely doubt the reality of it. And if AI was real, it would have been all over the news if it was on YouTube. Nice try, Google. " < 1238626002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how on earth can you believe that < 1238626008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: oh god < 1238626010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so, so sorry < 1238626013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had no idea < 1238626018 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1238626018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1238626020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never met him < 1238626043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my C-INTERCAL is technically a fork, but because the original had been discontinued for years it became the de-facto official version < 1238626063 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alan Cox was in Finland in a small meet-thing-thing, but that's the extent to which I've met any Linux-famous people. < 1238626080 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1238626095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1238626109 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once almost met Bjourne, of C++ fame < 1238626115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Bjarne? < 1238626119 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, yes < 1238626121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not him < 1238626124 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did I manage to misread wikipedia's summary "Alan Cox -- is a British computer programmer heavily involved in the development of the Linux kernel --" as something like "Alan Cox -- is a British computer programmer often heavily drunk". < 1238626125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bjourne Stroustrup < 1238626126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his evil brother < 1238626133 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually don't recall. < 1238626135 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C++ dude. < 1238626137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C++ was a joke article was written by him < 1238626139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fun prank. < 1238626143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fizzie: Linus number. < 1238626147 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in a pub, owning their wifi ap < 1238626148 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was not to be. I totally missed his lecture :\ < 1238626163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 'has written code in the same file as'? < 1238626165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, many hundreds. < 1238626166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thousands. < 1238626194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not sure how to define it so it is exclusive enough, yet allows us in #esoteric to get low ones < 1238626204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1238626219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally, I think CADIE is just Google's attempt to compete with Wolfram Alpha < 1238626227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that thing still exists? < 1238626233 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CADIE is a prank < 1238626234 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1238626235 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you see images.google.com ? Not the one with unicorns < 1238626240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i didn't < 1238626241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: no shit sherlock! < 1238626243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a genius! < 1238626245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: but she's written in INTERCAL! < 1238626250 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1238626256 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpt_obvious < 1238626262 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, C/C++/C# in http://code.google.com/creative/cadie/ < 1238626272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: all of them say that < 1238626278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the first intercal mention < 1238626283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not that, just the name of the language is silly < 1238626284 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different languages have slightly different responses < 1238626286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, C/C++/C# < 1238626286 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1238626289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, yeah < 1238626290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are pretty different langs < 1238626292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all c-alikes < 1238626295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but true < 1238626295 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tailored to the language < 1238626296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is Java! < 1238626302 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CADIE is busy working on a new translator that will allow you to use INTERCAL with GWT instead of Java. Check back soon!" < 1238626308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably copied from google code search; as in, the syntaces are similar so it searches them together < 1238626309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1238626311 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite one :) < 1238626330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, C-INTERCAL allows linking INTERCAL with C or Befunge code < 1238626341 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be back soon < 1238626355 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1238626484 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no clear docs covering P6 architecture < 1238626539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpt_obvious: wut? ? < 1238626549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who where what why when did you come from and wut < 1238626559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238626561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're nooga < 1238626614 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no shit sherlock! < 1238626621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238626625 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a genius! < 1238626632 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1238626638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck < 1238626648 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1238626676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives FireFly an anti-swat shielf < 1238626678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sheild < 1238626685 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo < 1238626700 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm. are there any good logic esolangs? < 1238626706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: prolog :-) < 1238626710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "logic esolangs"/ < 1238626712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, when does cadie give us brain implants? < 1238626716 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. ha. ha. < 1238626718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolog isn't an esolang, but it's pretty interesting anyway < 1238626721 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d688b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3e907b0609ac53ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1238626725 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vary funay ehird. < 1238626728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not used nearly as much as it should be < 1238626731 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New entry on Cadie's blog < 1238626734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am haurmor murster < 1238626739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1238626740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not new < 1238626745 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mainly modeled after Prolog, though. < 1238626747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said it was new 5 minutes ago < 1238626757 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1238626774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: I don't know of any declarative esolangs offhand < 1238626775 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :constraint programming, satisfiability, probably with unification/backtracking < 1238626785 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that does sound rather esoteric as it is < 1238626789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a couple but have never got around to writing the specs < 1238626802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proud's basically Prolog with all the restrictions removed, but it's uncomputable < 1238626807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really elaborate for an april fool's < 1238626815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess google decided to go all out < 1238626816 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see in the log where you mentioned a new post < 1238626818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Cyclexa's a potentially-practical esolang project, but I haven't really got very far with it < 1238626821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: I do < 1238626829 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the exact line? < 1238626830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:39 ehird: New cadie blog post < 1238626831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:40 ehird: It's like a soap opera for ai nerds. < 1238626832 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling for "Cadie" gives me a news result telling me it's an april fools.. Very clever, Google < 1238626833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is based on a cross between regexps and Prolog < 1238626849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: err cadie is an april fools is that what you're saying? < 1238626852 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1238626853 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But < 1238626859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the reasons that Cyclexa's on hold, by the way, is that Perl are stealing all my ideas :( < 1238626886 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get newspaper hits telling me it is, IMO it'd be better if people didn't get to know it is that easy < 1238626898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: 1. it's blindingly obvious < 1238626904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. google would never tamper their results like that < 1238626905 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, true < 1238626909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just not the done thing < 1238626946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/5897/ yespls < 1238626967 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cadie is still an ongoing story, though. It's not "Oh, Google did a quick joke, end of story". Knowing that CADIE is an April 1st prank is like knowing that a novel is fiction < 1238626983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1238626984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :novels are fictional? < 1238626989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::x < 1238626999 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut? < 1238627011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpt_obvious: < 1238627021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1238627034 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (quit) < 1238627037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you've become a synonym for whooosh < 1238627041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1238627044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when? < 1238627047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly unfairly < 1238627057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you never do anything but woosh to non-oerjan jokes, AnMaster < 1238627066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, could you write Proud be written in Feather? < 1238627078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Proud's uncomputable, Feather is not super-TC < 1238627079 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my professor's writing broken code < 1238627086 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1238627086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Feather hurts my head, and I don't want my brain to explode right now < 1238627088 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1238627093 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: highly propable < 1238627094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right. Was just wondering < 1238627109 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut's Feather? < 1238627117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1238627117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1238627119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpt_obvious: unask that question < 1238627124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUICK DAMMIT YOU FOOL < 1238627126 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1238627129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes, unasking is probably best for all concerned < 1238627129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaaaaaaaaaaaaah < 1238627130 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refuse < 1238627132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is mu, cpt_obvious < 1238627133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I'll have to try to answer < 1238627137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, I unasked it for you < 1238627141 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, his code works I think < 1238627161 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to think my code's easier, but I'm less certain that it works < 1238627162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't have a compulsive disorder about writing down that I laughed about everything. < 1238627165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpt_obvious: I suggest you ask in #feather-lang, I think it's empty atm so it'll be safe to ask < 1238627166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that is what you meant < 1238627167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check, actually < 1238627178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: err, just try and shift the mocking on to other people badly why don't you < 1238627179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I do notice jokes but never mention that :P < 1238627181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, not quite, ChanServ's in there < 1238627182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only it workd < 1238627182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed < 1238627192 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1238627206 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i mention that i'm in a pub < 1238627211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you did < 1238627214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did? < 1238627220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is another reason not to explain Feather right now < 1238627221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't tell AnMaster < 1238627222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, empty? I added it to autojoin now < 1238627232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explaining Feather to someone /who is drunk/ probably would cause a fatality < 1238627232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know; alcohol may well improve perception of Feather < 1238627242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok < 1238627244 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm here with my boss an we're owning wifi networks and drinking :D < 1238627253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although hallucinogens would probably fare better < 1238627275 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF is Feather < 1238627288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpt_obvious: feather is like, like, like, a trip, except the drug is time, man < 1238627292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it trips your code, man. < 1238627294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it? < 1238627297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, retroactively. < 1238627298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. < 1238627307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpt_obvious, it lets you redefine the language itself, while running < 1238627308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite. (Man.) < 1238627311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: er, no < 1238627312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's trivial < 1238627315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's boring, even Perl can do that < 1238627316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many languages have that < 1238627321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is one part of it < 1238627323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you redefine what the language /was/ retroactively < 1238627323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is more yes < 1238627327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is slightly different < 1238627329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, that's totally misrepresenting it < 1238627330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, there's more < 1238627332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I was about to get to that < 1238627339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it step by step < 1238627340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the retroactivity's the whole point < 1238627341 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whrea are the docs? < 1238627345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as nothing in Feather can ever change < 1238627345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1238627347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpt_obvious: there aren't any < 1238627351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpt_obvious: /home/ais523/mind < 1238627353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I wrote some but they were wrong < 1238627355 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1238627363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't try and grep it; it's very painful I hear < 1238627383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, /dev/ais523_mind .. duh < 1238627393 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pokes the esolang wikio* < 1238627394 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a 100 on my C++ exam < 1238627397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: err, that's bad hierarchy < 1238627400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that right ais523? < 1238627401 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vodka has simple system < 1238627401 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow... < 1238627411 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i < 1238627413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes but that is because it is in a real OS < 1238627414 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er -o < 1238627414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1238627423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what < 1238627428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm not sure if I'm in a /dev < 1238627434 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like s/// regexp with some addons to change states while running < 1238627440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I said /home/ais523/mind < 1238627447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1238627447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster "corrected" it as /dev/ais523_mind, which is silly < 1238627453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both wrong, clearly < 1238627463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, real OS have flaws. Weird bits, ideal on the paper ones maybe doesn't. But there are always some dark corners in any actually existing OS < 1238627463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think I keep my mind in a /filesystem/? < 1238627486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: er, there's nothing stopping you making /home/ais523/mind < 1238627492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a device file < 1238627498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking otherwise is just ignorance < 1238627500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no, but there is a block device representing it < 1238627501 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, since ais523 IS a dev[eloper] < 1238627507 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he fits in /dev < 1238627508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1238627515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically speaking, I'm an engineer < 1238627517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is. /home mounted nodev < 1238627527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: /dev mounted nodev < 1238627536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT NOW! Oh wait, you set your file system up retardedly so you get retarded results. < 1238627536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: haha, you should so do that someday < 1238627541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, system wouldn't boot < 1238627547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why not? < 1238627547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: who cares < 1238627549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's SECURE like that! < 1238627553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and FAST! < 1238627557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's any technical reason why you can't boot with /dev set nodev < 1238627558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing nothing is EXTRA SPEEDY. < 1238627563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need more you could BENCHMARK IT < 1238627572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, /dev/console and /dev/null are needed at least for some core system parts. udev, init and a few other ones iirc < 1238627574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it would depend on how your init worked < 1238627576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1238627584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: init can be very simple < 1238627596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you mean is /your/ system wouldn't boot, because your init is trying to be too clever < 1238627600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah but I meant on a GNU/Linux system < 1238627607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought you used that? < 1238627613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1238627620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even so, you can get inits that don't care about /dev < 1238627621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm /dev/zero not /dev/null iirc < 1238627622 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can define delimiters < 1238627624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsure < 1238627633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just set init to ash or something on the bootlodaer, for instance < 1238627647 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ash? < 1238627653 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a string that compiles to the base language in a previously defined way < 1238627656 0 :kadaver!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats thats esotericlanguage with all the parenthesises called? < 1238627656 0 :kadaver!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1238627659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it would want some tty I think < 1238627662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: one of the simplest shs around atm < 1238627667 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then in that language you can do the same etc etc < 1238627668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can have a tty without having /dev available < 1238627668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not sure how that would be handled.. < 1238627673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1238627673 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/ais523_mind < 1238627675 0 :kadaver!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(map (lambda (x)(* x x)) '(1 2 3)) < 1238627680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: EPERM, luckily < 1238627684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I guess kernel hands it over as an open fd? < 1238627698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually invoking init would be weird I guess < 1238627698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1238627704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's probably just the serial connection < 1238627718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1238627719 0 :kadaver!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a kernel in brainfuck,then you have secured maintenance work for the rest of your life=the wya IT works < 1238627721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the kernel invokes init by setting up memory as if it was a userspace process, then simulating fork/exec < 1238627730 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If EPERM means read-only, did you just say you never learn? < 1238627738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, EPERM means you aren't allowed to do that < 1238627738 0 :kadaver!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is writing a toy-kernel hard? < 1238627744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's read-only for you, but isn't for me < 1238627749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kadaver: not particularly < 1238627763 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/ais523_mind < 1238627764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in UNIX, how readable or writable a file is depends on who's reading or writing < 1238627767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same in Windows, actually < 1238627774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: you aren't in the admin group for my mind < 1238627777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I don't think I am < 1238627786 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((:[]) . join (*)) =<< [1, 2, 3] < 1238627825 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238627917 0 :kadaver!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how many LOC can you get away with doing something minimal? I heard the initial linux kernel linus released was just 10K loc < 1238627927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how minimal < 1238627940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if all you want with your kernel is to run some minimal esolangs, you can do it well under a KB of machine code < 1238627954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka isn't here, but IIRC he was working on something like that < 1238627958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a live-esolang floppy disk < 1238627981 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238627986 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing toy kernel < 1238628049 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, it seems there's no working IRP interpreter currently < 1238628052 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiprocess kernel with a memory manager, own filesystem and multiple text terminal < 1238628056 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it sucks < 1238628060 0 :kadaver!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well i guess it depends on how you define kernel. what would en esolang kernel need to be able to do? < 1238628068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: #IRP is actually surprisingly active today < 1238628075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally it idles for weeks at a time < 1238628080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kadaver: run esolangs < 1238628083 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm, really < 1238628086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some esolangs have very small interps < 1238628099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: it seems some teacher's set a university project on IRP < 1238628105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the students have been coming in there asking for help < 1238628115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirder things have happened, I suppose... < 1238628119 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRP? < 1238628121 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I missed that? < 1238628126 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any logs? < 1238628142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't logged, unfortunately < 1238628160 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah this IRP < 1238628160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you saw the conversation with DH__, at least < 1238628188 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238628193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... seems idle again < 1238628204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lecture's probably over < 1238628230 0 :kadaver!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple text terminal = multiple windows? any graphics? < 1238628424 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1238628837 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238628925 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238629090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1238629203 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nighty < 1238629242 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1238629421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Perl < 1238629447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's been there for a while < 1238629452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what to do about it < 1238629457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the article's also confusing, too < 1238629466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i was referring to the last section < 1238629468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is new < 1238629473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238629490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can be golfed by at least three characters < 1238629502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably four, actually < 1238629508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how? < 1238629512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from removing the space < 1238629513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is boring < 1238629521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval join"\n",<> < 1238629533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when all you can shave off is whitespace and a ;, it's not cool any more. < 1238629544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving them in is saying "I'm so good at golfing, I'm just going to leave this low-hanging fruit." < 1238629578 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :low-hanging fruit is generally the tastiest < 1238629587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: heh < 1238629596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to change the \n to a literal newline < 1238629600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what saves the last character < 1238629670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/env perl < 1238629670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Released under the MIT license. < 1238629671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1238629673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# TODO: add POD docs < 1238629675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use strict; < 1238629677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use warnings; < 1238629679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my @lines = <>; < 1238629681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my $code = join("\n", @lines); < 1238629683 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... why is the newline even needed there? I thought that if you do <> in a list context, the elements returned still contain any newlines present. < 1238629684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval($code); < 1238629685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#- end of file - < 1238629687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, my whitespace was tarnished < 1238629689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/env perl < 1238629692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238629693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Released under the MIT license. < 1238629695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1238629697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# TODO: add POD docs < 1238629700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238629701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use strict; < 1238629704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use warnings; < 1238629705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238629707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my @lines = <>; < 1238629709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my $code = join("\n", @lines); < 1238629711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238629713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval($code); < 1238629715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238629717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#- end of file - < 1238629719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: eval isn't in a list context is it < 1238629721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval join <> just reads one line < 1238629723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the first argument is the sep < 1238629728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, you're right < 1238629737 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? join <> definitely uses <> in a list context. < 1238629744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1238629745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: perl -e'eval join <>' < 1238629747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only reads one line < 1238629750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this because _i tested it_ < 1238629752 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but "". < 1238629756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1238629757 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need a newline. < 1238629758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure. < 1238629773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edited. < 1238629778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, wiki formatting fucked it < 1238629793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed. < 1238629799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -0e'eval(<>)' < 1238629803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considerably smaller again < 1238629807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no fair < 1238629812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's using the command line < 1238629818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, perl -0e'eval <>' is shorter still < 1238629819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it doesn't need the parens < 1238629828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but `eval join '', <>;` doesn't use the command line, and is pretty < 1238629829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perl -0e'eval<>' is shorter still < 1238629833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so THERE < 1238629835 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parens were to force list context < 1238629844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't need list context there < 1238629872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is the value of $x after: < 1238629880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub foo { return (1, 2, 3); } < 1238629883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my $x = foo(); < 1238629885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1238629893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 I think < 1238629898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x_x < 1238629901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo returns an array, an array in scalar context returns its length < 1238629909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238629913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant last element < 1238629914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238629920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that would be stupid < 1238629923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238629931 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~$ perl -e 'sub foo { return (1, 2, 3); } my $x = foo(); print "x $x\n";' < 1238629931 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x 3 < 1238629931 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~$ perl -e 'sub foo { return (1, 1, 1); } my $x = foo(); print "x $x\n";' < 1238629931 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x 1 < 1238629945 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explain. < 1238629949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe I'm wrong < 1238629953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: guh < 1238629967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~] % perl -e 'sub foo { return (1, 2, 7); } my $x = foo(); print "x $x\n";' < 1238629967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x 7 < 1238629971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes — that would be, and is, stupid. < 1238629971 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, I think I'm too tired to think properly < 1238629980 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really didn't think it'd actually return the last element. < 1238629986 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The professor just put up his solution, and it's saner and less wtf'y than mine < 1238629986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you separate the my and the $x? < 1238629996 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, mine is a WTF < 1238629997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the my may be forcing list context < 1238630007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~] % perl -e 'sub foo { return (1, 2, 7); } my $x; $x = foo(); print "x $x\n";' < 1238630007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x 7 < 1238630013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh < 1238630014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~] % perl -e 'sub foo { return (1, 2, 7); } $x = foo(); print "x $x\n";'x 7 < 1238630020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK PERL :-D < 1238630040 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/pqWjyX34.html < 1238630043 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps self < 1238630059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: NOT RAFB < 1238630069 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which pastebin? < 1238630075 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I use? < 1238630078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: is that yours or the professors? < 1238630081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, use rafb, it annoys ehird < 1238630083 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mine < 1238630104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty elegant IMO, half the checks are redundant, but they make the code clearer < 1238630137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOGGET READERS: http://www.nopaste.com/p/atKQKnKjab < 1238630147 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First time writing it, I actually made the mistake of 90 <= num_grade <= 100 < 1238630149 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1238630156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python lets you do that < 1238630170 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is even weirder is this: < 1238630171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, is there an efficient way to do 'round x up to the nearest power of 2?' < 1238630172 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~$ perl -e 'sub foo { my @a = (1, 2, 7); return @a; } my $x; $x = foo(); print "x $x\n";' < 1238630172 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x 3 < 1238630178 0 :kadaver!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238630178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yep, see that bithacks thing < 1238630179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: LOL WAT < 1238630186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: relinketj? < 1238630195 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "return @a" there is in a non-list context. Or what is happening? < 1238630201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I've just figured it out < 1238630212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're calling sub foo in a scalar context < 1238630213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~] % perl -e 'sub foo { (1, 2, 7); } $x = foo(); print "x $x\n";' < 1238630213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x 7 < 1238630218 0 :cpt_obvious!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238630218 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it use the comma expression instead of list there in the return (1, 2, 7)? < 1238630221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well sure and? < 1238630221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're writing return (1, 2, 7) < 1238630230 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means the return is evaluated in a scalar context < 1238630235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's the comma operator, not an array literal < 1238630235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1238630239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1238630243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the subroutine parses differently depending on how you call it < 1238630244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just hideous < 1238630251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone loves Perl! < 1238630254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it changes your code semantics depending on how it's called? < 1238630254 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, something like that was my guess too. Heh. < 1238630255 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is CADIE done putting links on the side? < 1238630257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good lord < 1238630261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you imagine how much that breaks? < 1238630268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very often, actually < 1238630279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1238630297 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~$ perl -e 'sub foo { return (1, 2, 7); } my $x = foo(); my @x = foo(); print "x-scalar $x, x-list ", join(" ", @x), "\n";' < 1238630297 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x-scalar 7, x-list 1 2 7 < 1238630298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sorry, have an urge: i said how much, not how often < 1238630302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your response is a non-sequitur < 1238630307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urge over < 1238630348 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this sort of Perl nastiness is a nice point to go to sleep; night. < 1238630351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and scalar @x would be 3, in that case < 1238630359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1238630365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1238630426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders what foo would do in void context, but it's probably optimized out < 1238630571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#perl on CADIE: < 1238630572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:02 sproingie: mmmKAY < 1238630576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yeah wut eva" < 1238630588 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238630600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1238630600 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Perl people don't care for CADIE? < 1238630608 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1238630615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: one perl person finds it stupid, I think is more accurate < 1238630615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it seems that Slashdot achievements are here to stay < 1238630627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: achivements? < 1238630635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what was /.'s ap foos? < 1238630643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there were several < 1238630647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but achievements were their on-site things < 1238630654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a concept taken from MMOs < 1238630665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slashdot.org/~ais523/achievements probably explains it better than I could, anyway < 1238630672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1238630676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's gotta be not real < 1238630696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:03 sproingie: my attention span isn't letting me read the texty bits < 1238630696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:03 sproingie: "on april 1 2009, skynet achieved consciousness. and decided it liked pandas" < 1238630702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update: sproingie has severe ADHD. < 1238630704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Slashdot, you never know < 1238630710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is obnoxious. < 1238630715 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Contradictor < 1238630721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, so nothing I didn't know. #perl is not that much of a good channel. < 1238630725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo[College]: for putting a negative tag on something < 1238630731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of them are really easy, it seems < 1238630743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many people will try to get as many as possible? < 1238630767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.php.net/php.internals/41374/uq ↠Wow, php guys have a good april fools for once < 1238630792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that one's genuine < 1238630794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the daet < 1238630795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*date < 1238630798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: WHOOSH! < 1238630800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've known about it for a while, anyway < 1238630813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a gale-force wind trying to go over your head but knocking you over instead. < 1238630975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have that perl script that moves the window around in waves? < 1238631017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:09 Limbic_Region: sparc - no, you should be prematurely worrying about optimization < 1238631024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238631074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wow at the other choices they considered for namespace separators < 1238631077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) was one of them < 1238631080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1238631090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP:)Is:)Awesome < 1238631107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:09:18] <@CelloG> i.e. foo::bar might be a short name - class foo, method bar, but it could also be a long name, function foo::bar < 1238631108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:09:25] <@CelloG> and the engine just assumes it is a short name < 1238631109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:09:36] <@CelloG> and that is why :: is fatally flawed as a separator < 1238631113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR IMPLEMENTATION SUCKS < 1238631147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see the problem, namespaces and classes are separate in PHP < 1238631176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, Perl used to use ' as a namespace separator < 1238631182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was really fun < 1238631185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?! < 1238631189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :example? < 1238631189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it's still accepted for backwards compatibility < 1238631193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although :: is more usual < 1238631265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ perl < 1238631267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use Language'INTERCAL'Parser < 1238631274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and then youc an do < 1238631280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language'INTERCAL'Parser->new()? < 1238631285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> _______________________________________________ < < 1238631288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-; < 1238631290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1238631308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ perl < 1238631309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use Language'INTERCAL'Parser; < 1238631311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my $x = Language'INTERCAL'Parser->new(); < 1238631312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: new Language::INTERCAL::Parser(SYMBOLTABLE) at - line 2 < 1238631314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last line is perl's output < 1238631329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VHDL still uses ' to extract metadata from things < 1238631332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also as a cast operator < 1238631361 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1238631372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : write (l, String'("Hello world!")); < 1238631378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<--- a line from the standard VHDL hello world < 1238631461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::x < 1238631488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and /also/ to delimit characters < 1238631510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other use is, for instance a'lower to get the lower bound of array a < 1238631514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a lot of research, I discovered the third one was in < 1238631514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fact Baudot (the INTERCAL variety, I believe) < 1238631517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, wtf < 1238631522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come coppro knows everything? < 1238631535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he's secretly CADIE < 1238631548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the only Baudot encoder/decoder I know of is the one that comes with C-INTERCAL < 1238631556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and CLC-INTERCAL itself, ofc < 1238631567 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a 19th-century encoding, after all < 1238631667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that Baudot was a polygolt < 1238631669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*polyglot < 1238631677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :between the traditional and INTERCAL versions < 1238631687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why have one when you can have both? < 1238631716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, do you know coppro, perchanc? < 1238631716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1238631719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems likely < 1238631725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not outside Agora < 1238631826 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238631852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think cadie's committed suicide or something. < 1238631871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they switched her off < 1238631881 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to google.co.uk to check on the ehird version of CADIE < 1238631894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... google's pretty slow atm < 1238631897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: I am the only brit < 1238631940 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, there are seven Brits. ehird is one, and the six others make up the entirety of the BBC. < 1238631956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: they just swap costumes a lot? < 1238631963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, where will i work when I grow up? The BBC? < 1238631974 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1238631980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238631991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: seven brits is more than the 3 finns < 1238631998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of which 5 or 6 are in here; I forget < 1238631998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1238632036 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'm mistaken. There are seven people at the BBC, but one isn't officially a member; she just joins them whenever they need an attractive female, because all the actual BBC members are male. < 1238632080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Con: INTERCAL extensions such as threading and operator overloading are non-standard and poorly tested, and may therefore have broad unforeseen side effects. < 1238632082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pro: INTERCAL extensions such as threading and operator overloading are non-standard and poorly tested, and may therefore have broad unforeseen side effects. < 1238632084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that style guide < 1238632094 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, one of the BBC members is dead. < 1238632114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: am I ehird, or am I at the BBC? < 1238632128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I'm not ehird, that would be worrying < 1238632133 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: chances are you're at the BBC. < 1238632138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sorry you had to find out this way < 1238632140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the unifier < 1238632143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're both me, and at the BBC < 1238632150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helps to keep the two realities in bind < 1238632159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of, subatomic reality glue < 1238632180 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is the female. < 1238632205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you measure the female over time she turns out to be indistinguishable to me at micro levels < 1238632210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though we are separate at the macro levels < 1238632211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it you take turns playing the Doctor? < 1238632229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2009/04/brand-new-language-on-google-app-engine.html < 1238632234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTRAN 77 on app engine < 1238632270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to CADIE, ofc < 1238632327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to mail them punch cards to submit the code, though < 1238632354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Checking the HTTP header for google.com today, you will find it’s run by “ELIZAâ€, “WOPRâ€, “IIS/3.0â€, “Google Operating System (BETA)†or similar... perhaps depending on the time you’re checking" < 1238632355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238632373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that IIS is very worrying < 1238632416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Google’s image album software Picasa now comes with a special “Auto Red Eye†functionality for version 4.1 (it turns normal eyes into red eyes). I was only able to see this on the Picasa homepage when using a US proxy. " < 1238632446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they added an option to google code search to search for programs in lolcode < 1238632455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238632458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already said < 1238632465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: IIS? < 1238632472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Microsoft's webserver < 1238632480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayeeh! < 1238632494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :losing out quite badly to Apache in terms of market share < 1238632565 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-36-225.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238632606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you get started as a designer of programming languages? < 1238632606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ken Iverson showed me APL in 1969 when I was 11. < 1238632612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— Kx systems (K developers) ceo < 1238632645 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did APL invent the term "programming language"? < 1238632650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1238632678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: that's a seriously great question < 1238632684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd never even thought in those terms before < 1238632690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's such a pity the answer is no, actually < 1238632740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2009/04/01/deluge_of_browser_security_issues_drives_mass_migration.html < 1238632745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-lynx browsers are dead, Netcraft confirms it. < 1238632758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :netcraft did indeed confirm it < 1238632762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does that make it true? < 1238632769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ask any Slashdot troll! < 1238632782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that stuff about encoding shellcode into smileys, is it definitely known to be false? < 1238632794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1238632794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1238632795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, it could be true, although would look suspicious < 1238632808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.cr0.org/2009/04/massive-exploitation-of-instant.html < 1238632818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1238632818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, actually getting the smileys to run would be harder < 1238632821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously false < 1238632827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cr0.org/misc/smile.rb < 1238632833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF pl indeed. < 1238632841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it just makes shellcode look like smilies < 1238632843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't run i < 1238632843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1238632861 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238632883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and the resulting smilies aren't executable < 1238632892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smiley steganography < smiley/shellcode polyglots < 1238632900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::() {:| :&} < 1238632904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three smilies. < 1238632917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::() {:| :&} ;: < 1238632922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three smilies and ... something. < 1238632924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's referred to as the killer smiley sometimes < 1238632928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::() < 1238632929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{:| < 1238632931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::&} < 1238632933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;: < 1238632935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so beautiful. < 1238632942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one's someone with glasses, winking < 1238632950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238632969 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very small glasses that are below the eyes? < 1238632969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erste said that while the bank is dedicated to providing an accessible online banking experience, some customers still report difficulties when trying to make HTTPS requests through Telnet without the aid of an extended keyboard layout. < 1238632983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: "four-eyes" is a common nickname for glasses-wearers < 1238632986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To bolster Lynx's growing footprint in the browser market, Netcraft has released the Netcraft Toolbar for Lynx. This free add-on blends in at the top of every web page, and not only protects Lynx users against phishing attacks, but the beautiful text-based rendition of the Netcraft logo is sure to brighten anyone's day. < 1238632987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: haha < 1238632991 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1238632996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2009/04/01/netcraft-toolbar-for-lynx-resized.png < 1238633006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I tried using Lynx to access a bank website earlier today < 1238633009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked pretty well < 1238633017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Lynx is so garish and hard to control, I preger w3m I think < 1238633020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*prefer < 1238633033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the first text browser you use is the one that you stick with for life < 1238633067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w3m is sort of "gnu lynx" < 1238633082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it certainly has too many features < 1238633085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even has tabbed browsin < 1238633088 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*browsing < 1238633095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think is hilariously funny, despite being useful < 1238633133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real pain is links, really — you want to click links with a mouse because they're suited for that sort of addressing < 1238633146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works in w2m < 1238633148 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*w3m < 1238633152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1238633156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given a sufficiently bloated terminal. < 1238633158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses some sort of terminal mouse-click layer < 1238633164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work in urxvt? that terminal is excellent < 1238633165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you have to click twice I think < 1238633176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim lets you move the cursor with one click < 1238633178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with :set cursor < 1238633181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know, I've only tried in gnome-terminal < 1238633193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: same with w3m, one click moves the cursor, the second follows the link < 1238633224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'moves the cursor'? < 1238633232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, w3m lets you move around text for no reason whatsoever < 1238633242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it easier than trying to use Lynx < 1238633254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, I'm used to using the keyboard as a mouse < 1238633281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a pretentious mouse user < 1238633325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretention levels: hunt and peck keyboarder and mouser < keyboard-only hardcore 1337 h4ck3r < person who uses keyboard for typing and mouse for precise, vague and absolute addressing < 1238633329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pretension < 1238633359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly only use the mouse for websurfing < 1238633375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then, I use w3m if I want to quickly look something up on a local html file rather than do serious surfing < 1238633380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it means I don't have to go to the mouse < 1238633384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I use the mouse for games too < 1238633410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spend a week with plan 9; you can't even use up/down keys for editing (they are pgup/pgdown) < 1238633423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just left/right, typing, and backspace (no shift-selecting, or even DEL key) < 1238633438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's simultaneously agonizing and enlightening < 1238633496 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and elitist < 1238633510 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00t < 1238633512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan 9 isn't an elitist system, just an opinionated one. < 1238633519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A very, very, very opinionated one. < 1238633523 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::] < 1238633530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because dwm is customized through editing its source code, it's pointless < 1238633530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make binary packages of it. This keeps its userbase small and < 1238633531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elitist. No novices asking stupid questions." < 1238633538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: `apt-cache show dwm` would you? < 1238633542 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm not opinionated, I'm just always right" < 1238633543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet £50 it has a package < 1238633564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[maybe you should go to school and learn how to spell cuz who the fuck < 1238633564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spells marK with a c? musta been a baby of a couple retards]] < 1238633566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ lol wat < 1238633578 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail. < 1238633578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please notice that dwm is currently customized through editing its source code, so you probably want to build your own dwm packages. This package is compiled with the default configuration and should just give you an idea about what dwm brings to your desktop. < 1238633585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<--- partial output from apt-cache show dwm < 1238633588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: £50 plz < 1238633596 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238633596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I didn't accept the bet < 1238633605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harumph < 1238633605 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was implicit, clearly < 1238633637 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let the record show that ais523 tacitly accepted the bet < 1238633645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't < 1238633650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is dwm written in? < 1238633654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing C from the dependencies < 1238633660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1238633667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering about somehow smalltalkifying it so that you could edit the source while it was running < 1238633669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's written by the suckless.org people < 1238633681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a pretentious, people-hating bunch of plan 9 addicts < 1238633686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dwm.suckless.org/ < 1238633705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think if you did such a modification they'd treat it akin to a death threat and an insult on their mother < 1238633715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that firefox in the foreground in that screenshot? < 1238633722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1238633736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: asking consistency of them is henious. < 1238633739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1238633740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to your room and think about what you've done. < 1238633769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dwm has no Lua integration, no 9P support, no shell-based configuration, no remote control, and comes without any additional tools, such as for printing the selection or warping the mouse." < 1238633780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way that's in the feature list < 1238633791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they go on about that a lot: http://suckless.org/common/ < 1238633819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... also, it uses mercurial as the vcs < 1238633827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1238633828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm disappointed, I'd expected them to use something I'd never heard of < 1238633836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: regardless of how silly they are, reading the code is nice: http://code.suckless.org/hg/dwm/file/deaa276abac1/dwm.c < 1238633843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1706 lines; and a lot of sane people swear by it < 1238633847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as their WM < 1238633850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern-software people, that is < 1238633852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not unix hermit < 1238633852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1238633911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 43 /* macros */ < 1238633920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that fit in with their concept of using less code rather than bad code < 1238633927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, obviously that section contains macros < 1238633930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's full of #define < 1238633938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like writing x = y + 2; /* addition */ < 1238633940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: send a patch just to remove those two lines < 1238633948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238633951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll probably accept it and hail you as a genius in the commit messag < 1238633951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1238633959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 207 /* variables */ < 1238633963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 130 /* function declarations */ < 1238633964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 lines < 1238633983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 247 /* function implementations */ < 1238633987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1238633992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got it < 1238633997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must have been written by COBOL programmers < 1238634011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL requires you to do that, C doesn't but they've kept the habit < 1238634039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://incise.org/tinywm.html i still love this wm < 1238634050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet I could write a humane WM in ~500 lines < 1238634059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: [01:00] IRP > Should I go to York or Manchester University next year? (U.K.)- if all else fails, mudkips or coin-flips shall suffice. < 1238634068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long's xmonad, by the way? < 1238634071 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird's hobby is pressing the last letter of his sentence and the enter key simultaneously < 1238634076 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1238634085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: I thought it was me that did that, not ehird < 1238634091 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works roughly half the time/ < 1238634098 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is./ < 1238634103 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'm bad at this. < 1238634119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going, going, → < 1238634200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that dwm source is clearly golfed < 1238634208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's doing things like fitting entire loops into the head of a for loop < 1238634224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is always possible, but only used for golfing and showing off AFAIK < 1238634453 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, kerlo's Canonical Programming Rule: The only good way to write a program is the best way to write the program. < 1238634498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the canonical programming hello world, in your opinion? < 1238634524 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canonical Programming Rule, corollary 1: If you can think of multiple equally good ways of writing that beat all other ways of writing it, you need to come up with an even better way of writing it. < 1238634540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238634549 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canonical Programming Rule, corollary 2: If there are multiple best ways of writing a program, the programming language sucks. < 1238634558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double heh < 1238634562 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what language? < 1238634570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best one < 1238634571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1238634587 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1238634608 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PutStrLn "Hello, world!" < 1238634655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is that? < 1238634660 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hypothetical language I've thought about since... a while ago. < 1238634756 0 :mmorrow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of lines-of-code, i happened to graph loc for each lua version earlier http://moonpatio.com/lua/lua_loc.png < 1238634770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:20:15] <@lsmith> ok .. this is quite unanimous .. even if we count Stas to be of the same opinion as dmitry < 1238634772 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I finish it, ask the Singularity to upload a description into your mind. < 1238634776 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll take a while, you see. < 1238634798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmorrow: that's quite a lot for a lightweight scripting language < 1238634801 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides that the best thing he could possibly do right now is read the Wikipedia page "Concept" < 1238634866 0 :mmorrow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the lua code is some of my favorite C code (wrt clarity/tidyness) < 1238634876 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has an epiphany < 1238634896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:34:18] <@andrei_> hey, what about :) separator < 1238634906 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1238634908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I'm not surprised they went with \ in the end < 1238634924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: from the actual discussion between PHP devs about what char to use for namespacing < 1238634993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they had to make a decision in a hurry because it was degenerating into an emacs vs. vim holy war < 1238635189 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I think this also solves another of my problems. < 1238635205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, smileys as the PHP namespace separator? < 1238635267 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, either I've forgotten which problem it solves, or I've realized that it actually doesn't solve that problem. < 1238635393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what was the solution, anyway? < 1238635398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's looking for a problem < 1238635476 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concept splitting. < 1238635497 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't know whether an item is an instance of a category or not, split the category into two categories, one containing the item and the other not. < 1238635544 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you forget about one category, great: you've determined that the other category is the one worth remembering. < 1238635568 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now, having told you that, I have to kill you. < 1238635605 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least ask you if you'll ever write or otherwise work on an AI that isn't Friendly. < 1238635622 0 :Sgeo[College]!i=897d680d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9433bc7ca28a75f1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238635629 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R.I.P. CADIE.. I think < 1238635634 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: transcript of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeJ9Q40kIR0 ? < 1238635786 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: nah, too lazy. < 1238635815 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was mainly asking ais523, you know. < 1238635829 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be more important. < 1238635845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: ah, aha < 1238635857 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how TAEB identifies items in NetHack, it's a rather limited application though < 1238635940 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAEB? < 1238635946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack-playing bot < 1238635959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrelated to #esoteric, although it's something I work on from time to time < 1238635964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my project, other coders are more active on it < 1238635972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just a low-level person who helps out occasionally < 1238636025 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1238636043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not april fool's any more, and I have no reason to lie to you about that < 1238636101 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want proof, not because I don't believe you, but because proofs lead to understanding that mere statements do not. < 1238636125 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much how the string "IO ()" is much less useful than an actual Haskell program. < 1238636129 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: don't trust him, he could be lying about his timezone < 1238636133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: http://sartak.org/code/TAEB/ < 1238636138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haha < 1238636151 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay. < 1238636173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my AI branch is at http://ais523.sartak.org/TAEB-AI-Planar/ < 1238636276 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not April Fools here < 1238636278 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :April Fools! < 1238636280 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238636404 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1238636481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, http://www.sixxs.net.ipv4.sixxs.org.sixxs.org.ipv4.sixxs.org/main/ actually works < 1238636578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, I just got first post on a Slashdot article < 1238636998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wasn't trolling < 1238637192 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238637270 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That URL makes me think of http://normish.org/ihope/root/var/www/ihope/root/home/ihope/root/var/www/ < 1238637277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238637294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normish is something special, alright < 1238637332 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, a better one: http://normish.org/home/ihope/root/var/www/ihope/root/var/www/root/var/www/ < 1238637783 0 :zbrown!n=rufius@unaffiliated/zbrown JOIN :#esoteric < 1238637790 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238638170 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but where's your "frost pist!" achievement? :( < 1238638189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope they don't add that, it'll make things even worse < 1238638204 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://code.google.com/creative/cadie/ :) < 1238638299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal_: that code's nonportable < 1238638301 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a frost pist. < 1238638315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a fixed version, that works in both C-INTERCAL and CLC-INTERCAL < 1238639451 0 :Sgeo[College]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" < 1238641885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, I was reading the report on voting machine security flaws that the state of Ohio commissioned < 1238641890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of it's really ridiculous < 1238641910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flaws, I mean, not the report itself < 1238641985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they managed an all-new sort of buffer overflow I've never seen before: < 1238641987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :287 TCHAR name; < 1238641988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :288 _stprintf(&name, _T("\\Storage Card\\%s"), findData.cFileName); < 1238642004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TCHAR's like char, it's a single-character type) < 1238642095 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1238642115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that code is even worse than gets < 1238642123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least there are circumstances under which gets doesn't overflow... < 1238642153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if AnMaster were alive, he'd probably complain that _T infringes on implementation namespace or something like that...) < 1238642198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it seems that that 0x0102030405060708 is accepted as the password on one type of machine they make, even if the password's been changed < 1238642899 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238643113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, the science subreddit is _still_ in AF mode < 1238643172 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is CADIE dead, or is she just elsewhere? The video suggests dead, but the blog says elsewhere < 1238643205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/creative/cadie/ still works < 1238643328 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tried to make language accept INTERCAL < 1238643333 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page just refreshed < 1238643361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it's stopped working < 1238643385 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean when you put INTERCAL in? < 1238643414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, altogether < 1238643418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once April 1 ended < 1238643425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can enter queries but don't get replies < 1238643491 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats ais523 -----### < 1238643500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow! < 1238643501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1238643506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works fine for me < 1238643629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, working again < 1238643638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with yet another typically INTERCAL-related response < 1238643673 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1238643675 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1238643685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: how succinct < 1238643789 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Tried to add an Intercal-choice in the combo-box, but when I pressed "Ask CADIE", the page just refreshed and the form was reset. < 1238643864 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX's nick reminds me of something else < 1238643887 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, it reminds me of some Runescape quest < 1238643891 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, who was that girl who hung out in here? < 1238643899 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liked manga, slept like 2 hours per night < 1238643906 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :razorX, aka sukoshi < 1238643929 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1238644657 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-66-145.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238645474 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ytmnd.com/april/hehe_mix.swf < 1238645628 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof that materials don't mean anything: there are stone glasses, and there are glass stones. < 1238645635 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though both are pretty weird. < 1238645726 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you *could* make glasses out of stone. < 1238646714 0 :mmorrow!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238647537 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there're also marble stones and stone marbles, which is a little less obvious than it sounds at first < 1238647592 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1238647749 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1238647772 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :topic ain't done changed since 2009-04-01 | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1238648175 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648176 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648176 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648178 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648178 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648180 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648180 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648181 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648181 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648183 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648188 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648188 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648193 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648193 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648194 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648194 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648195 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648196 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648198 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648198 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648199 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648199 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648199 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648201 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648204 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648204 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1238648303 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-36-225.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@92.254.128.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r03jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :comex!n=comex@teklinks.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :Asztal_!n=asztal@cpc1-stkn13-2-0-cust673.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :ski__!n=md9slj@remote3.student.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :ineiros!n=ineiros@kosh.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :Robdgreat!n=rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :Dewi!n=dewi@203-214-94-132.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@tavi.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :Asztal!n=moo@chunkybacon.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648303 0 :mtve!n=mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648329 0 :lament!n=lament@S010600110999ad06.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238648329 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1238651691 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-171-213-254.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238651839 0 :neldoreth!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1238652978 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-129-213.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238653001 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238653639 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1238654520 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238654874 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238654982 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1238656731 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238659199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1238659200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1238659258 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238659264 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1238659272 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238659286 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238659433 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238660097 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1238660503 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238660738 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1238661316 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"X-Chat -> http://xchat.org <- At least when I quit I don't look like a lamer" < 1238661738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, Google took down their INTERCAL style guide < 1238661756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the Google cache of it isn't showing, nor is the Yahoo cache, but I saved a copy from the live.com cache, of all places < 1238661765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time ever that live.com has been remotely useful < 1238661800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the CADIE source already, luckily < 1238662355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, your ick repo should be up again < 1238662361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, thanks < 1238662367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll push right away < 1238662401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pushed < 1238662412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are your download logs for C-INTERCAL? < 1238662421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's inconvenient to get at them, don't worry < 1238662433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just mildly curious as to how popular it is < 1238662531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sec < 1238662566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first: almost all from http://ipv4gate.sixxs.net < 1238662575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all surprising < 1238662621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there is me, and one other persomn < 1238662623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :person* < 1238662629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with other ipv6 ips < 1238662634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many accesses altogether? < 1238662649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/www/data/log $ wc -l thttpd_log < 1238662650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 thttpd_log < 1238662671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad for just a few hours after release < 1238662675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most are for favicon.ico < 1238662676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1238662682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238662682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is 404) < 1238662692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old MSIE 404 favicon.ico bug strikes again < 1238662696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ grep ick thttpd_log | wc -l < 1238662696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1238662697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's been fixed nowadays < 1238662701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ? < 1238662714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what 404 bug? < 1238662723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in older versions of IE, if favicon.ico's a 404, it ends up pinging it every time you access a page on the website < 1238662770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both ick downloads are from that other person with native ipv6 btw < 1238662776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, aha < 1238662776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or tunnel, I don't know) < 1238662779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder who it was? < 1238662832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks in whois (which is usually quite correct for ipv6 IME) < 1238662845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :organisation: ORG-OB3-RIPE < 1238662845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :org-name: LeaseWeb B.V. < 1238662866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... not all that useful < 1238662874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although knowing RIPE narrows it down to one continent < 1238662899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the contact addresses are both in Amsterdam < 1238662911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably Joris, then < 1238662923 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your logs should now have another native-IPv6 entry. < 1238662935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only Dutch INTERCALer I know, and he's pretty active in terms of submitting patches < 1238662974 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2607:f0d0:3001:36::dead:baba, a rather curious address. < 1238662984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not my choice *shrug* < 1238662988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that yours? < 1238663002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you somehow reading AnMaster's logs? < 1238663002 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, it's that lepton.kuonet-ng.org. < 1238663006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is that of the vps. The person who runs it was a joker. < 1238663006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238663011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume < 1238663021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1238663045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hit in the logs should be from 2001:1bc8:102:587b:21d:7dff:fee4:a593 I presume. < 1238663073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if anyone has memorized their own IPv6 address < 1238663085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proxy I used to use at the University was 147.188.147.123 < 1238663095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no I don't have another native one? < 1238663097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nowadays I normally use wireless, so I show up elsewhere < 1238663104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I had a new one from that one in Amsterdam though < 1238663105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1238663123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1238663126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread < 1238663234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I remember mine. It is ::1 < 1238663236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1238663247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no I don't remember my full one) < 1238663345 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A /64 prefix is relatively easy to remember, so if you put something at prefix::1, that's not too bad either. I used to remember my 6bone prefix. I don't remember this current one, though. < 1238663386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's somewhat interesting that IPv6 was initially only used to create long hostmasks that spelt out words on IRC < 1238663466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's odd that SixXS handed out a /48 when you requested a subnet. Presumably it is related to making routing simpler? < 1238663481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, pretty much < 1238663499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using lots of subnets of the same size makes routing tables smaller and simpler < 1238663513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238663518 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and they give you a /48 so that you can do some subnetting of your own. < 1238663522 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238663524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a /48 is amazingly large < 1238663531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a /64 would be the usual size for IPv6 < 1238663531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can't you subnet at /96 or such? < 1238663539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything smaller than that annoys the routers < 1238663544 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't really make smaller nets than /64. < 1238663549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why? < 1238663555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you want to subnet something, it should be bigger than /64 < 1238663563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The address format specifies that the last 64 bits is the node ID. < 1238663567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238663583 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all those stateless-autoconfig things generate EUI-64 format addresses, too, which need a 64-bit network. < 1238663593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238663599 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen a tunnel provider handing out /60s, though, which means you have 16 subnets to play with. < 1238663609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1238663648 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you configure things manually, at least Linux is completely happy to use smaller-than-/64-networks, it's just not pedantically-speaking correct. < 1238663651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a /48 you would have 65536 subnets right? < 1238663663 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1238663666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1238663668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming 2 16^p is the correct way to calculate it < 1238663685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, probably 65534 in practice < 1238663690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? < 1238663692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because IIRC max and min addresses have special meanings < 1238663694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238663695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that only IPv4? < 1238663700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1238663725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's max and min addresses in a network, you can still use things like 192.168.0.5, even though there's that 0 byte in there. < 1238663759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1238663780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would 192.168.0.0 be the min address of 129.168.0.0/16 or 129.1268.0.0/24? < 1238663783 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can just as well use the 2001:1234:1234:0::/64 subnet. < 1238663791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*129.168.0.0/24 < 1238663820 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously it's the min address of both, and it depends on configured netmasks and such what it means. < 1238663848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the min address mean then? < 1238663857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :max is multicast or something isn't it? < 1238663866 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's traditionally "the address of the network, not a host in it". < 1238663874 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While all-bits-one is the broadcast address, yes. < 1238663881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238663895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory, sending a packet to 255.255.255.255 sends it to the entire Internet < 1238663899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about multicast then? Isn't that "broadcast, to some hosts" < 1238663901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, any sane router will drop it < 1238663909 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multicast uses a separate range of addresses. < 1238663915 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To identify multicast groups. < 1238663925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, mhm and how do you mark such groups? < 1238663951 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean, exactly? < 1238663965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no idea. I hate networking < 1238663967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1238663995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" To identify multicast groups." <-- well, how do you identify if a computer is in a group or not < 1238664010 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the IGMP protocol for that. < 1238664016 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does group-registration and such. < 1238664019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IGMP or ICMP? < 1238664022 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IGMP. < 1238664024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238664114 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in IPv6 the multicast stuff has been taken in ICMPv6. As was ARP. < 1238664150 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All IPv6 multicast addresses are in the ff00::/8 block, while the IPv4 range goes from 224.0.0.0-239.255.255.255. < 1238664183 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's 224.0.0.0/4 if I count the bits right. < 1238664190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238664224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fe80:: is "link local" or something like that right? But what is the use of it? < 1238664304 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for link-local purposes. Like router-discovery and such, I think those tend to use the link-local addresses at some point. < 1238664326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, this ipv6 over facebook thing hm... the page *is* still there http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=59502659200 ... < 1238664342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, naturally < 1238664349 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, and if the statistics are correct, the app has been there for a while. < 1238664354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of those April Fool's RFCs which probably actually works, just is insane < 1238664356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238664361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they were testing it before releasing the RFCs < 1238664363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1238664386 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the fec0::/10 prefix for "site-local" v6 addresses, presumably for rather similar use than the current private-use non-routable IPv4 addresses. < 1238664432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238664444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=59502659200&topic=6840 <--- ? < 1238664486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1238666673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238667248 0 :neldoret1!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1238667340 0 :neldoret1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1238667411 0 :neldoret1!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1238667463 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-36-225.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238667690 0 :neldoret1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1238667702 0 :neldoret1!n=user@81-223-127-237.stpeter.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1238667915 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238668487 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238673011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1238678830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw wikipedia lists http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5513 too as a joke rfc this year (yes it lists the facebook one too) < 1238682795 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238682863 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@82.182.180.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238683198 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238685435 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1238685463 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-36-225.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238687108 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238687787 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-116-157.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1238688065 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238688600 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238689625 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly- < 1238689635 0 :FireFly-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1238690174 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c349BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238690477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know an ipv6 isp in uk? < 1238690663 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sixxs.net/faq/connectivity/?faq=native&country=gb < 1238690696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bogons or Goscomb! < 1238690698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great names. < 1238690750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION expects the spanish vogons < 1238690765 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how comprehensive or accurate that list is; I know one (1) ISP in Finland who does native IPv6 to customers, and that's Nebula, and coincidentally it's also the only thing listed under the Finnish flag there. < 1238690796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and you're on nebula? < 1238690801 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1238690823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, these uk isps seem very, very obscure < 1238690825 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nebula were polite enough to point the reverse-DNS zone for the /64 they've assigned to me to any DNS server I wanted; that's some good service. The network in the student apartments of my university also does native IPv6, but there are no reverse-DNS entries there. < 1238690830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many IP addresses? < 1238690830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally a company would received 1208925819614629174706176 addresses to cover up to 65536 sites. < 1238690834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rather gung-ho < 1238690855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice; Orange are in the business of assraping their customers with restrictions < 1238690882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing that irritates me: < 1238690888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling hosting services isps < 1238690891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's technically correct < 1238690893 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no norway :/ < 1238690894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it is not helpful! < 1238690916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Broadband services from Andrews & Arnold Ltd are aimed at the technical and professional customer. We cater for home users right up to large corporate users. Most of our customers are reasonably technical or purchase via an IT consultant/dealer. The services we offer are not the fast food of broadband - we have a range of specialist options including blocks of IP addresses at no extra cost, reverse DNS delegation, IPv6 services, bonded lines with fast fa < 1238690918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :llback, and much more. We also pride ourselves in having technically competent support staff based in our UK offices. < 1238690921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yarr, this sounds hot < 1238690924 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is strange since norway was listed in a wp article as having among the top relative penetrators < 1238690937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our Professional service starts from as little as £20.50 pcm† (£17.83+VAT) including 2GB peak download allowance, so can easily be used by more demanding home users. Professional customers can pick a tariff that matches their needs. The professional service includes a free ADSL2+ ethernet router, fixed IP address blocks, IPv6, a UK domain, web space, and IMAP email (with spam and virus checking). < 1238690941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1238690946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 2gb download allowance is shite < 1238690951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't need the domain/webspace/email < 1238690963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our broadband services are provided using ADSL2+ were possible which allows up to 24Mb/s downlink and up to around 1Mb/s uplink. When not possible we provide using ADSL1 which allows up to 8.128Mb/s downlink and up to 448Kb/s uplink (832Kb/s with the premium option). These speeds are the maximum line rate and depend on the line legth and quality. The availability checker can give an indication of likely downlink speed. We upgrade ADSL1 lines to ADSL2+ wh < 1238690965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :en possible as part of the 21st Century Network upgrade. Details < 1238690967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k, that's fine < 1238690980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so if only there wasn't a 2gb download allowance that'd be awesome < 1238690996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peak period download per month. < 1238690996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peak period is 9am-6pm Mon-Fri. < 1238690997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1238691001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off Peak allowance 100GB < 1238691001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+100GB steps < 1238691004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's stupid < 1238691014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 9am-6pm i'm only allowed to d/l 2gb. < 1238691019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful < 1238691024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All other times except night (2am-6am) which is unmetered. < 1238691027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is kind of fucked up < 1238691055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it has everything, i just wish it didn't have the stupid bw limit < 1238691097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A byte is 8 bits of data which is normally one character. A gigabyte or GB is 1,000,000,000 bytes (not to be confused with a Gibibyte or GiB which is 1,073,741,824 bytes)" < 1238691103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're full of shit, andrews & arnold. < 1238691118 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, technically, it's correct < 1238691124 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that no one uses gibi < 1238691132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a ripoff :P < 1238691155 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gibibibibii! Sounds like a pokey-mon or something. < 1238691167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously they give you a decent router and ipv6 and whatnot and the speed looks great < 1238691170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a terrifying gibibite < 1238691176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 2gb peak allowance? < 1238691183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like... giving you a rocket and telling you to only fly at 3mph < 1238691203 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : :D < 1238691206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bogons.net/ < 1238691215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SHALL LOOK UP THE "BOGONS" < 1238691221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect pokemons don't bite though, would not be family friendly < 1238691261 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some do, I think < 1238691266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: err, they knock each other out and seriously injure them with massive electric attacks and shit < 1238691269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think biting is pretty tame < 1238691273 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's been... ten years since I played < 1238691278 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I may be wrong < 1238691280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean the game < 1238691281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yea < 1238691285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some have a bite attack < 1238691289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about the shitty show < 1238691291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"* Static IP address if required " < 1238691293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1238691307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"* Multicast and/or IPv6 routing over ADSL " < 1238691308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1238691314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"* No enforced transfer cap (subject to reasonable usage) " < 1238691317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION netgasm < 1238691320 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall biting in the movie < 1238691335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, bogons sounds fuckin' awesome < 1238691345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£35/mo < 1238691371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: just beware of the clause where they reserve the right to blow up the earth for their information superhighway < 1238691379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.enta.net/Customer_Products/Data_&_Connectivity_Products/Broadband/ ↠yawn, no thx < 1238691429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you restrict access to any Bit torrents/news sites? < 1238691430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDNet do not restrict access to any sites or ports etc. < 1238691443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that they explicitly state that is nice < 1238691460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might email the v^Hbogons to ask if they filterz < 1238691516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hokay, so it's < 1238691520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idnet home supermax http://www.idnet.net/solutions/home/broadband/ < 1238691529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs bogons adsl http://www.bogons.net/ < 1238691536 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-15-249.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238691590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random opinions welcome, I'd like to escape this shithole of an esp < 1238691591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isp < 1238692657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"My esp is rather lousy, too" < 1238693181 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-116-157.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1238693538 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1238693889 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1238694235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://redsnake.me/ < 1238694758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bogons vs idnet is looking good right now. < 1238695455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Did you know that your Browser is buggy: it can't parse comments correctly. --> < 1238695457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rolleyes < 1238697424 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR < 1238697469 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGML comments are weird. < 1238697549 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-96.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1238697556 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ERROR part may actually be commented, depending on whether or not you live in 1999 or 2005 or elsewhen < 1238698126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRETEND TO SWIM WHY DON'T YOU JIM < 1238698792 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1238700239 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238700709 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238700795 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238704269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1238704271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just solved syntax. < 1238704292 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238704535 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1238704936 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The syntax of what? < 1238704967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax. < 1238706194 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1238706581 0 :nooga!n=nooga@user-89-108-224-199.mobile.playmobile.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1238706603 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much < 1238706728 0 :neldoret1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1238708729 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :croc < 1238709646 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238710739 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1238710816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Mr ip wizard, "/29 or /30" will mean ipv4 rite? < 1238710864 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most likely, yes. Those are pretty small blocks. < 1238710891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yar. I'm deciding between http://bogons.net/ and http://idnet.net/, both of which look more or less perfect. < 1238710929 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1238710930 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since generally the all-bits-0 and all-bits-1 nodes are kept as the network address and the broadcast address, respectively, so a /30 would have just two usable addresses. < 1238710937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238710976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Enta) IPStream Max (up to 8M) 100kbps 448kbps £60.00 £35.00 < 1238710983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That 100kbps second is the download spede column. < 1238710987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet it says up to 8M? < 1238710987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1238711031 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think our student housing network had a costs-a-bit add-on service to get your own non-DHCP-allocated /29 (so six hosts) block. < 1238711059 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they do have a /16 of their own. < 1238711075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bogons give you a static ipv6 address with yer own reverse dns so that's just fiiine by m < 1238711075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1238711077 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming you're referring to TKY.) < 1238711090 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You mean TKY? The old Trinet block at least was just a /20. < 1238711092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tky? < 1238711113 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know about the new one. TKK has a /16 block of its own. < 1238711138 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The student union. Acronym of the finnish name. < 1238711140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a personal reply from Bogons with techy details, which was nice. Delivered via RT too. < 1238711143 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :82.130.0.0/18 < 1238711146 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently. < 1238711155 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misremembered then. < 1238711176 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a map somewhere... < 1238711182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, about that dead:baba ipv6 address - is there liek a service to get a custom one you specify or sth? < 1238711184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like license plates < 1238711202 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have your own network, you can number the nodes any way you like. < 1238711224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1238711226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1238711238 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the stateless autoconfig stuff uses automatically generated addresses that are -ff:fe-. < 1238711243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The good ol' I Have Gratuitous Amounts Of Money option. < 1238711283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question. < 1238711289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't OSes come with a dns resolver? < 1238711294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why it's done remotely. < 1238711349 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be to cut down traffic a bit, so that just the ISP's ns has to wonder where google.com is. < 1238711405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, sure, but it seems like it'd be much, much faster. < 1238711421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it'd be hard to handle the traffic considering how powerful networks are nowadays < 1238711441 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The root servers would have a lot more work to do; I think they have quite a lot as-it-is. < 1238711453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs djbdns. < 1238711465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i wonder what the root servers run on < 1238711470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a mega-optimized bsd < 1238711481 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure about speeds, either, since now you can just ask a very nearby server, and it probably knows the answers already, since everyone else's asking about the same things; you don't have to start from the root. < 1238711495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: after using it a while it should be a lot faster, no? < 1238711501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since cache retrieval would be instant < 1238711531 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, caching would be a good idea. I have my local BIND configured so that it forwards all queries to the ISP's server if it doesn't know the answer offhand. < 1238711539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.root-servers.org/ Poor greenland. < 1238711546 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, I foundeded the (IPv4) map: http://zem.fi/trinet/trinetmap.html < 1238711549 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's already fairly instant < 1238711569 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dig reports around 7 milliseconds on average < 1238711589 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :-) < 1238711612 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lot of addresses for those houses < 1238711616 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That might be obsoleted already a bit, since I did that back when they updated the network. They might have changed stuff. < 1238711628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2. As root, create UNIX accounts named Gdnscache and Gdnslog. " < 1238711634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fuck, time for djb to lecture me about how to run a fuckin' unix system < 1238711638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you. < 1238711674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to use local djbdns < 1238711699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, root lookups are quite slow aren't they? < 1238711703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in 30 seconds and still going. < 1238711721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, timeout. < 1238711726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I fucked up. < 1238711735 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dnsmasq is probably the cheapest choice if you want a caching-only local DNS thing. (Although it comes integrated with a DHCP server, which might be pretty useless.) < 1238711770 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen dnsmasq used in some of those Linux-based routery devices too. < 1238711772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"8. Set up a public web page saying that your DNS cache is powered by djbdns, so that a Google search for powered djbdns will find your page in a few months. These public statements will encourage other people to deploy djbdns, provide djbdns support services, and develop djbdns-related tools. Please also consider making a donation to the Bernstein Writing Fund." < 1238711778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go fuck yourself, bernstein < 1238711794 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with asking people to help? < 1238711803 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're awfully hostile < 1238711809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I just like insulting Bernstein because he's pretentious < 1238711817 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1238711830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To install djbdns, ..." GO TO HELL BERNSTEIN < 1238711834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238711887 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me an obscure domain to lookup, I want something that takes longer than 5ms < 1238711897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hotgoatporn.com < 1238711903 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 msec < 1238711904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: eso-std.org. < 1238711911 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo, 160 msec < 1238711917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's domain squatters for you < 1238711920 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now it's cached :-/ < 1238711923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: agoranomic.org < 1238711934 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :157 < 1238711936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellipsis.cx < 1238711940 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anything breaks 200 < 1238711946 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :170 < 1238711952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1238711957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: gnaa.us < 1238711962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org was 207 < 1238711972 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, that one was 330 < 1238711982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you gay? Are you a nigger? etc. < 1238712014 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2ch.org wins for now: 362 < 1238712038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what about 2ch.net < 1238712044 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :203 < 1238712044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in japan everything is slow. < 1238712056 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's far away, mostly. < 1238712065 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think of something .cn and failing < 1238712072 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.cn: 748 < 1238712073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :propaganda.cn < 1238712076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1238712080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost a second < 1238712086 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :propaganda.cn: 613 < 1238712115 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is India slower or faster, I wonder < 1238712125 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know its TLD < 1238712127 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1238712135 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.in? < 1238712150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.in < 1238712157 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google.in took 200 < 1238712167 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-131-76.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238712178 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.in was below 100, bar.in got no answer and took 850 < 1238712184 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're curious, you can often "dig @server -c ch -t txt version.bind" to find out what a DNS server's running; often even if it's not BIND. Although a lot of people do disable that feature, too. < 1238712188 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baz.in exists though < 1238712209 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :version.bind. 0 CH TXT "This space intentionally left blank" < 1238712229 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, what's this < 1238712230 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :version.bind. 0 CH TXT "NSD 2.3.7" < 1238712239 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the K root server < 1238712254 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hadn't heard of that one < 1238712279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% sudo svstat /opt/local/var/svscan/service/dnscache < 1238712279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/opt/local/var/svscan/service/dnscache: up (pid 97416) 15 seconds < 1238712281 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J runs VGRS4 < 1238712281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1238712289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Any root servers running djbdns? < 1238712293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess not < 1238712298 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"contact info@netnod.se" < 1238712308 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe one of these sneaky ones :-P < 1238712317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're so ashamed < 1238712330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% dnsq a www.aol.com 127.0.0.1 < 1238712333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if it works this time < 1238712345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dayum this is slow. < 1238712351 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1238712364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it doesn't seem to be _doing_ anything < 1238712401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' and if your DHCP client cannot be configured to discard external DNS cache information' < 1238712403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1238712405 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most appear to run bind (9.2 through 9.4), two NSD (2.3.7 and 3.0.5), one VGRS4 < 1238712440 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One blank, one times out for that request, one with that email address, one "intentionally left blank" < 1238712446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 www.aol.com: < 1238712446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :timed out < 1238712447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1238712533 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be too surprised if djbdns came with the version info disabled by default. < 1238712565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How irritating, I wonder how to ix this < 1238712631 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a funny query; the "-c ch" means dns record class Chaos, for Chaosnet; normally just about any request is for class IN (Internet). < 1238712682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what's a funny query? < 1238712691 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The version.bind. one. < 1238712699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1238712738 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, they can't really use an Internet DNS name of "version.bind", I'm sure we'll end up with a .bind TLD sooner or later. Using a Chaosnet name is rather cleverness. < 1238712813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you set up your local bind, fizzie? < 1238712820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanna figure out what I did wrong. < 1238712920 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, mostly I just have: acl "local" { local; networks; here; }; ... options { ... listen-on { all; private; IPv4; addrs; }; allow-query { "local"; } recursion yes; forwarders { isp's; dns; server; ips; }; ... }; -- and that's about it. < 1238712932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I didn't mean how you set up the bind in particular < 1238712937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant how did you then test it < 1238712944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm just getting timeouts < 1238712993 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do something like "dig @ns.google.com a google.com" and get results on the box you're running the name server on? < 1238713013 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, it might be that your friendly ISP is filtering outgoing DNS that's not directed to their nameserver. :p < 1238713039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works. < 1238713048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my ISP is sane in that respect. < 1238713062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then % dig @127.0.0.1 a google.com... and... silence. < 1238713072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached < 1238713092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why are you setting up a local bind? < 1238713099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a local djbdns. < 1238713101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because I want to. < 1238713105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1238713112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said "too much work" and such before < 1238713115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is. < 1238713121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do things that require too much work when I am bored. < 1238713125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238713134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, djbdns as forwarding? < 1238713136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err ok < 1238713137 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's rather strange. Maybe you could "netstat -nlp" or something to check whether your djbdns is actually listening? < 1238713144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: djbdns's dnscache server < 1238713156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I would use dnsmasq for that. Or bind. < 1238713160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what would the protocol name be? < 1238713164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what's wrong with using dnscache? < 1238713168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :djbdns for authoritative ones < 1238713170 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UDP, port 53. < 1238713177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, probably nothing < 1238713199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: er, can you tell I've never used netstat? < 1238713202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just dnsmasq almost works out of box (read through a config and edit an option or two, start daemon < 1238713205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1238713206 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The /etc/services name here is "domain". < 1238713222 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Of course if this is OS X netstat, it'll have a different syntax. < 1238713223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: er, can you tell I've never used netstat? <-- :D < 1238713229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Seems so. < 1238713231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1238713234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: netstat [-AaLlnW] [-f address_family | -p protocol] < 1238713234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : netstat [-gilns] [-f address_family] < 1238713236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sockstat on *bsd < 1238713241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tends to be more useful < 1238713243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't see why that wouldn't work. < 1238713248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just nmap myself. :-D < 1238713251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sockstat -4ln < 1238713254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1238713254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mabe < 1238713256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe* < 1238713259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth trying < 1238713260 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone's netstat seems to be rather different. Just "netstat -nl" is probably enough. < 1238713262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no command, AnMaster < 1238713279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discovered open port 53/tcp on 127.0.0.1 < 1238713281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— nmap < 1238713284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PORT STATE SERVICE < 1238713284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :53/tcp open domain < 1238713291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? It is bshish though, so I thought it would make sense on OS X < 1238713292 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "-nlp" was for Linux's netstat, for which "-p" means "show PID and program name for whatever's there". < 1238713323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does -sV < 1238713341 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that sure sounds like it's listening; strange that it doesn't want to talk to you. Maybe start it with enough debugging and verbosity flags, then. < 1238713376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Initiating Service scan at 23:02 < 1238713376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scanning 2 services on localhost (127.0.0.1) < 1238713377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lah lah lah. < 1238713395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Maybe it's talking to me but it can't find anything. < 1238713443 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's possible, of course. Although since you do DNS queries yourself, I see no reason why dnscache couldn't. < 1238713462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stats: 0:01:02 elapsed; 0 hosts completed (1 up), 1 undergoing Service Scan < 1238713462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Service scan Timing: About 50.00% done; ETC: 23:03 (0:00:11 remaining) < 1238713465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something is horribly wrong here. < 1238713476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION < 1238713477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :53/tcp open domain? < 1238713479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iiiinteresting. < 1238713481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's antisocial. < 1238713505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% telnet 127.0.0.1 53 < 1238713505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying 127.0.0.1... < 1238713506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Connected to localhost. < 1238713508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Escape character is '^]'. < 1238713510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello how are you < 1238713517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might need to learn dns. < 1238713533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure 'look up google.com' can't be hard. < 1238713541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait. < 1238713543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet is tcp. < 1238713546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Durr. < 1238713551 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can talk DNS over TCP too. < 1238713554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1238713558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no I can't :-) < 1238713561 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally it's done only for zone transfers, though. < 1238713577 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they're still doing that DNS-based DDOSing that's been very popular lately. At least my DROP rule for that has seen 298K packets since I last reloaded the iptables rules. < 1238713646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, zone transfers in djbdns are different iirc < 1238713655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :djb made it after all < 1238713668 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I seem to recall too that it did something different. < 1238713673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rsync iirc < 1238713678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1238713713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know how to speak DNS? < 1238713731 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a rather binary protocol, not too comfortable to speak manually. < 1238713753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'aw. < 1238713923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can connect. < 1238713925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is imporatnt. < 1238713927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :important < 1238713942 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a normal program you could just run it with some sort of "don't daemonize, absurdly verbose output" command line options to see what's happening, but I have no idea how to do something like that to dnscache. < 1238713983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses djb's wacky daemon runner thing. < 1238714001 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Well, there should be some sort of log file. Wanna bet it's empty? < 1238714045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just says it started up. < 1238714049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I gathered. < 1238714070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh! < 1238714076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% cat current < 1238714076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@4000000049d531bd380b501c starting < 1238714077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@4000000049d535b439b2b2d4 tcpopen 00000000000000000000ffff7f000001:cd55 < 1238714079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@4000000049d535b439c3b64c tcpclose 00000000000000000000ffff7f000001:cd55 connection reset < 1238714083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :djbdns, you doofus. < 1238714086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have ipv6. < 1238714108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks dnscache/root/servers/@ < 1238714114 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like a ipv6-mapped ipv4-address, though; ::ffff:127.0.0.1, to be exact. < 1238714114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it's just ipv4 addresses < 1238714119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000000000000000ffff7f000001? < 1238714132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh. < 1238714133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1238714140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, it's just me. < 1238714142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over telnet. < 1238714154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, @4000000049d535b439b2b2d4 is a timestamp < 1238714155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so we're having TCP acknowledgment. < 1238714157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue about format < 1238714170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make dig, uh, < 1238714171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use tcp? < 1238714175 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some dual-stacked systems do so that if you listen on the wildcard ipv6 socket, you get also ipv4 connections using that funky mapped format. < 1238714176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so < 1238714204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a +tcp somewhere in the command line. < 1238714211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+vc also work < 1238714212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1238714216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : +[no]vc (TCP mode) < 1238714216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : +[no]tcp (TCP mode, alternate syntax) < 1238714224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% dig @127.0.0.1 -4 +vc google.com < 1238714227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have successory. < 1238714233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;; Query time: 1103 msec < 1238714241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;; Query time: 1532 msec < 1238714245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the slow at first. < 1238714259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it's tcp vs udp. < 1238714267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So something's up with udp port 56. < 1238714273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is, what. < 1238714281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :53. < 1238714289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever mon. < 1238714302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is really odd. < 1238714308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what's up with it. < 1238714312 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Your system is the odd. < 1238714365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Linux is wooing me atm. < 1238714399 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, that DNS-DDOS doesn't seem *so* popular any more; I reset those counters more than 15 minutes ago, and haven't seen a single incoming packet. < 1238714430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not too sure I like this 100msec initial lookup thing. < 1238714451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, my router doesn't seem to do tcpy dns. < 1238714454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% dig +vc en.wikipedia.org [hang] < 1238714486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Got an obscure domoniker? < 1238714760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess not. < 1238714776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhooways, it is annoying having a choice between two equals,. < 1238715144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1238715881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1238715908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow: < 1238715909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Brandon Butterworth is a Principal Technologist in the BBC's research and development team and the man who first registered the bbc.co.uk domain" < 1238715921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the guy that responded to the question I asked bogons.net < 1238715926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too cool! < 1238715943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okänd värddator bogons.net < 1238715944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1238715950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unknown host) < 1238715962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.bogons.net/ resolves for me. < 1238715972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1238715975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bogons.net doesn't resolve < 1238715976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just www. < 1238715978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1238715984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it'll be how they've set up their servers < 1238715987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they're an isp < 1238715989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a separate webserver < 1238715993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :physical < 1238716002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, even so... < 1238716003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's annoying but understandable < 1238716016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why have it not resolve < 1238716023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it didn't cross their minds? < 1238716024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could do a CNAME or A record < 1238716026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway they're one of the isps i'm considering < 1238716038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do ipv6, don't have bandwidth limits, don't shape traffic < 1238716042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and give you a static ip for free < 1238716061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1238716062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked whether they shaped traffic and got a technical response from the guy who first registered the BBC's domain. < 1238716066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that is pretty awesome. < 1238716071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, xs4all under cover? < 1238716077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heh < 1238716102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We have over 15 years experience of the Internet - dating from the start of the Internet in the UK in 1989. If you feel that your clue level isn't quite high enough to do-it-yourself yet," < 1238716103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238716106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should update that < 1238716111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ? < 1238716111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 20 by now < 1238716114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238716145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other isp i'm considering is http://www.idnet.net/, but I'm leaning more to bogons now for the techness and smallness. < 1238716159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: are you sure xs4all does ipv6? < 1238716166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose they might, I'm just not aware of it < 1238716193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well they do newszilla6.xs4all.nl (free for sixxs customers too!) < 1238716203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I then doubt they don't do ipv6 elsewhere... < 1238716205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newszilla? < 1238716224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if bogons provides usenet < 1238716306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess probably < 1238716313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heh, bogons is hard to google < 1238716316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an internet-related term < 1238716321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogon_filtering < 1238716345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it is < 1238716350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't < 1238716367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1238716376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they charge £10 more a month for 800Kbps upload < 1238716378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs 400Kbps < 1238716383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely it can't be that different? < 1238716445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how bogons don't bundle a shitrouter though < 1238716450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get a linksys and put openwrt on it < 1238716484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'd prefer if they bundled a Cisco for those £10 < 1238716485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1238716489 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238716495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why cisco? < 1238716500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always heard recommendations for linksys < 1238716521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, high end? More expensive? < 1238716529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sure? < 1238716532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cisco owns linksys < 1238716537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not totally no < 1238716541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238716544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that < 1238716547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linksys.com redirects to http://www.linksysbycisco.com/ < 1238716550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'd use openbsd still < 1238716555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1238716558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a router? < 1238716572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be a pain to get working... vs something like openwrt < 1238716573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my router. A pentium 3, running openbsd < 1238716580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's not a "router". < 1238716580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2* < 1238716585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1238716586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, it does NAT < 1238716590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all that < 1238716596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's silly < 1238716600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have a switch < 1238716601 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238716602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too < 1238716604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :behind it < 1238716614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... wait < 1238716618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why is it silly? < 1238716618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you plug it into the phoneline? < 1238716625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall what cable it is, I'll go check < 1238716636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch - openbsd router - adsl modem - phone < 1238716636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it's just ethernet isn't it? < 1238716650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: most modern routers have an adsl modem built in < 1238716655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ethernet all the way except modem-phone which is special cable < 1238716673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my adsl modem doesn't < 1238716674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1238716689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.linksysbycisco.com/UK/en/products/Routers ↠I like how they're all oh-so-stylish up to the WAP54G, when they turn into megauglys. < 1238716776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.linksysbycisco.com/UK/en/products/WRT54GL < 1238716778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux Wireless < 1238716781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compatibility: two windows logos < 1238716785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hur hur hur < 1238716793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minimum Requirements < 1238716793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet Explorer 6.0 or Firefox 1.0 or Higher for Web-based coniguration < 1238716795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CD-ROM Drive < 1238716797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 2000, XP, or Vista < 1238716799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network Adapter or Wireless Network Adapter < 1238716801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUR HUR HU < 1238716803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R < 1238716833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEN HUR < 1238716922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so, how surprising is it on the scale of 1 to 10 that i'm considering switching to pcs and ENTERPRISE LUNIX OPERATING SYSTEM(TM) < 1238716931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to weigh up my remaining sanity < 1238716934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238716966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is fractional values allowed? < 1238716974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: s/is/are/; yes. < 1238716979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1238716983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late indeed < 1238717007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 8.43182 or so. +/-1.127825 < 1238717015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting 11.9 < 1238717026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1238717040 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "To install djbdns, ..." GO TO HELL BERNSTEIN < 1238717054 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's a bit much just to install djbdns < 1238717058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238717062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so are you considering it? < 1238717065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes. < 1238717085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm getting an isp that lets me do what i want served via a router that lets me do what I want that runs on an OS that lets me do what I want... < 1238717090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess my computer should let me do what I want too. < 1238717092 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it comes with a world domination feature < 1238717107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Yes. Feel the power of the dark side... Err wrong one... Come back to the light side of Linux? < 1238717132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Pretty much the only thing making me hang on to OS X is the typography. < 1238717141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been tweaking Ubuntu's for days in a VM and I'm still not satisfied. :D < 1238717163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well personally I'd want ColorSync about 3-5 times per month < 1238717167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meh < 1238717172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll get a CRT; they antialias by default (by blurring everything to hell)! < 1238717182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typography doesn't matter that much < 1238717185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never, ever used ColorSync AnMaster. Am I weird? < 1238717186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but color profiles... < 1238717188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ooh boy don't say that. < 1238717194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typography is paramount. < 1238717207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes for you. And probably in other cases sure. < 1238717219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean to me personally color syncing is more important < 1238717223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1238717242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because I have an expensive camera that included colour profiles on the CD? < 1238717245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1238717257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I'm interested in photography and so on < 1238717262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the other thing keeping me is that, well, the hardware is sort of bulky. I'm not much a fan of bulky stuff. Some seem better though. < 1238717268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g., thinkpads & thinkcentres are pretty sleek. < 1238717284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can run Linux on a mac though < 1238717304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : propaganda.cn < 1238717307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, but it's kind of missing the point, isn't it? And the h/w support isn't too good. < 1238717313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but I recommend a desktop that is 1-1.5 years old. Otherwise the hardware may be too new. < 1238717315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1238717317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm in the market for an upgrade. I can get it thousands cheaper if I buy a PC. < 1238717322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a major factor. < 1238717331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that sounds like a weird kind of meta-honesty < 1238717338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wu < 1238717338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1238717346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : propaganda.cn < 1238717349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238717349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1238717353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh yes.. upgrades... Saw that video that made a joke of Apple's "I'm a mac, I'm a PC" one? < 1238717363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was about upgrades < 1238717367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Which one? There's thousands. < 1238717369 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the papacy used it in earnest, i think < 1238717390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, PC got upgraded, Mac one got thrown out by next model. And that made the PC guy feel uneasy < 1238717395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://system76.com/ ↠These are sleek, too bad they only ship to the USA and canuks. < 1238717400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: :-D < 1238717410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in hit by next Mac model guy on the back of the head. < 1238717426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they come with ubuntu installed < 1238717427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is niiice < 1238717430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238717478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw about upgrades. Computer case, PSU and one of the harddrives are the only original parts in my computer. Oh and the keyboard too. < 1238717485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just configured an "ideal megasystem" on system76; came out to £1,272 < 1238717489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, everything else have been replaced over the years < 1238717506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's over two thousand pounds cheaper than the Mac Pro I was looking at. < 1238717519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bogons.net/ has a better design than http://www.idnet.net/ IMO < 1238717520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1238717526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the mac pro was a newer processor and it was 8 cores insetead of 4, but then it was also lower ghz. < 1238717527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idnet is too flashy < 1238717533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hey, system76 comes with an ATI card... < 1238717537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet they pre-install 64 bit ubuntu < 1238717540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! < 1238717543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess they only sell ones with good d rivers? < 1238717546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"512 MB ATI Radeon 4550 PCI-Express x16 GDDR3 (DVI, VGA, S-Video, DVI to HDMI, DVI to VGA) " < 1238717562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well... I'd go nvidia or intel < 1238717568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on how important 3D is < 1238717569 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1238717584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: these are really cheap, though, and come without windows cruft, and are sleek < 1238717588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD for CPU. Soundblaster Live! 5.1 from years ago for the sound card < 1238717592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if the ati has good drivers, well, that's fine by me < 1238717639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even comes with a 26" monitor because, you know, who cares about neck strain (i am very small) < 1238717644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just basically maxed it out) < 1238717660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to see if I can persuade them to ship to la UK < 1238717700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash drive is included as part? < 1238717704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"portable flash drive" < 1238717708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Country: [Canada | United States] < 1238717711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you system 76! < 1238717724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum < 1238717726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a service where, like, you ship to a holder place and they ship to you overseas. < 1238717728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a cost, < 1238717730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1238717735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be quite profitable, I imagine. < 1238717739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my dream desktop: $2,598.00 < 1238717741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1238717745 0 :Asztal_!n=asztal@cpc1-stkn13-2-0-cust673.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1238717751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's pretty cheap for a dream < 1238717756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what specs did you put on it? from where < 1238717757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1238717760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 8 GB RAM < 1238717767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had 8gb ram on mine too < 1238717767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=82&osCsid=01a86245f6be36d74b29fa9819293eae < 1238717768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1238717774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.83ghz quad core < 1238717776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maxed on most < 1238717783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2gb radeon 4870 X2 x16 thingy < 1238717790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that doesn't show your choices < 1238717798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well no idea how < 1238717806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maxed on all but flash and keyboard/mouse < 1238717809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I selected no < 1238717813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway it is ATI < 1238717818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't a true dream system < 1238717819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i did, but I selected kb/mouse but I'm not sure why < 1238717833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There's nothing intrinsically wrong with ATI. If the drivers are OK for the ones they ship, what's the problem? < 1238717833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also why on earth would I buy it that way < 1238717838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd want another mobo < 1238717842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wut < 1238717848 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah propaganda.cn doesn't have a real website < 1238717884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, one with two serial connectors to begin with < 1238717884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really surprised how cheap system76 are < 1238717888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1238717899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of none < 1238717904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mac pro with the same specs, roughly, would cost £5,000 pounds or so < 1238717909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can only get up to £1,600 or so with this < 1238717926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: serial? srsly? < 1238717937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I use that still for some old hardware < 1238717946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://system76.com/index.php?cPath=29 hey, if you buy a server you can get octo-core :-D < 1238717949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably expensive as fuck < 1238717953 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: did you just pull that propaganda.cn domain out of your ass? < 1238717957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yar < 1238717964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 x Quad Core Intel Xeon E5450 3.00 GHz 1333 MHz FSB 12 MB L2 45 nm ( +$2,150.00 ) < 1238717965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drool. < 1238717974 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so .cn probably has squatters too, or something < 1238717992 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot manage to google it, anyhow < 1238717994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: maxed out eland pro pedestal or rack: < 1238717995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Price: $8,725.00 < 1238717999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also meh < 1238718000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238718002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all intel < 1238718005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go for AMD < 1238718009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1238718011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with intel < 1238718028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no 3DNow!~ < 1238718031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238718042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you know if such a ship-and-reship service exists? < 1238718085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, more seriously: I had a Pentium 4 once. It permanently damaged my trust of Intel. < 1238718094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah pentium 4s are awful < 1238718100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But core 2s are great < 1238718112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every company has bad times < 1238718118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Maybe. The Core 7i (or was it i7?) look worse < 1238718134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i7 has nehalem, which looks neat, but I'm not too fussed about that any more < 1238718155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, A friend of mine called his i7 for "pentium 4 new edition" yesterday... < 1238718159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238718162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds bad < 1238718167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So I guess you don't know if such a reship thingy exists? < 1238718181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: do you know if such a ship-and-reship service exists? <-- hm? < 1238718197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to locate the relevant line in scrollback it refers to < 1238718207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: As in, system76 only ships to USA and Canada, so I wonder if a service exists where you ship to an address in the USA, then they reship it on to your international address for a (large) fee? < 1238718213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be useful and also very profitable < 1238718222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no idea. < 1238718228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never ordered from US < 1238718237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm < 1238718248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst case, I can ask a friend in the US to handle it, maybe < 1238718258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1238718263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: didn't you say night an hour ago? < 1238718295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. Bad resolve I think the technical term is? < 1238718303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238718346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, system76 looks great < 1238718354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate large form factors < 1238718357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw that server: You won't need monitor or such Nor DVD-RW < 1238718360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck < 1238718372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I meant to use the server as a desktop machine < 1238718373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a server you only use CD in once: initial install < 1238718375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully < 1238718388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they don't come in quiet editions in my experience < 1238718393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah :-D < 1238718396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because no one will care in a servere room < 1238718409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hmm ... http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=81 has the specs of the higher end desktop but seems to go cheaper < 1238718416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have as many video card options though < 1238718428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Currently Out of Stock - Please Check Back Soon" < 1238718428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238718431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the memory isn't ddr3 < 1238718433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit of a dampener eh? < 1238718435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'up to 8 GB Blazing Fast DDR 3 Memory ' < 1238718435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1238718437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm < 1238718441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I want FB RAM < 1238718441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the higher end one < 1238718442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238718445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FB ram? < 1238718450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fully buffered < 1238718456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=91 WOW is this low end < 1238718480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? < 1238718493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: look at the cpu specs! < 1238718495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it beats both my pentium 2 and pentium 3 easily < 1238718502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern low end I mean < 1238718507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't bear to work on such a machine < 1238718511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238718518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it would be a thin client probably? < 1238718526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, it's meant for low-end desktop users < 1238718540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even my mother's computer is dual-core, though, and she just uses gmail :-P < 1238718552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting servers have "no OS" option, but clients doesn't < 1238718566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they get a lot of publicity from the ubuntu camp < 1238718569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Server Edition 64 bit < 1238718569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu 8.10 Server Edition 64 bit < 1238718573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does LTS mean? < 1238718576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Long Term Support < 1238718580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238718583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally they do a release that they support for like 4 years < 1238718591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1238718620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, mine is single core, but it was rather upper middle end in 2005 < 1238718625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm < 1238718627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or lower high end < 1238718644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The maxed out "Wild Dog" one is middle high end < 1238718649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I won't buy a new CPU until I need one. < 1238718650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the high end is things like nehalem 8-cores < 1238718658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :26" KDS Widescreen LCD (1920 x 1200) ( +$380.00 ) < 1238718660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder who KDS are < 1238718667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kdsusa.com/ < 1238718670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of them < 1238718688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hope that Wild Dog thing has controllable fans < 1238718691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it probably does. < 1238718708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, real dream: Modern massively parallel Lisp machine with a real time IBM Roadrunner emulator built in < 1238718709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238718721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My real dream is a pony. < 1238718723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1238718727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1238718736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not as cool as a lisp machine < 1238718736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should install linux on a pony < 1238718747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, operate on them and put computer stuff in between the organs < 1238718752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, cruelty to animals! < 1238718755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then boot linux on it < 1238718763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It neighs, it boots! < 1238718778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Roadrunner_supercomputer_HiRes.jpg < 1238718781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those look pretty < 1238718794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't want to dust that thing < 1238718797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory 103.6 TiB < 1238718801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;O-O; < 1238718829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's irritating isn't it < 1238718832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the TiB thing < 1238718834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Roadrunner uses Red Hat Enterprise Linux along with Fedora as its operating systems " < 1238718835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TB duh < 1238718840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, I can't imagine booting fedora on that < 1238718844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be like... like... I don't know < 1238718849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah, would have to install Gentoo on it < 1238718858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linus uses Fedora < 1238718862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kde? a few minutes to compile < 1238718864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Linus Torvalds, author of the Linux kernel, says he uses Fedora because it had fairly good support for PowerPC when he used that processor architecture. He became accustomed to the operating system and continues to use it." < 1238718870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a few minutes? Seriously? < 1238718872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd only take seconds. < 1238718879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think about it < 1238718882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is optimised for floating point stuff < 1238718883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's massively, massively parallel < 1238718888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"12,960 IBM PowerXCell[6] 8i CPUs and 6,480 AMD Opteron dual-core processors" < 1238718890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling is integer heavy < 1238718893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1238718893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could compile all the files at once < 1238718897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's not the point < 1238718902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can compile everything at once, pretty much < 1238718908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, dependencies < 1238718918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and scheduling overhead < 1238718921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: regardless, KDE takes, what,an hour on a high end machine? < 1238718928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say <60sec. < 1238718939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not sure. Mine isn't that high end < 1238718946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes around 4 hours on this one < 1238718956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for kdelibs + kdebase + kdevelop < 1238718965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are the parts of KDE I use basically < 1238718969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best way to justify a purchase of an expensive new PC < 1238718977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is to compile gcc with -j(1.5*cores) < 1238718980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238718981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and watch it flow by < 1238719006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I compiled some C++ apps on a Quad core Opetron server yesterday < 1238719009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was amazing < 1238719023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does opteron match up to core 2? < 1238719030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess roughly the same < 1238719042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: btw, you should move c-intercal < 1238719043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to gopher < 1238719047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher over ipv6 only < 1238719052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, haha < 1238719057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might do that tomorrow < 1238719060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because < 1238719064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would certainly fit < 1238719070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but too tired tonight < 1238719095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Roadrunner_supercomputer_HiRes.jpg <-- interesting warning label < 1238719097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do people use huge displays? < 1238719100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1238719102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't their necks hurt :| < 1238719113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how do you define huge in this case < 1238719120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "If you touch a computer, it will fall down and another will take its place." < 1238719120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is 21" I can answer < 1238719127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, I have a 20" here < 1238719130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like 26" up < 1238719130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hahaha < 1238719136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah no idea then < 1238719143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they just have it lower down < 1238719148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are bigger than me :P < 1238719168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw does that mean you can hotplug modules in IBM Roadrunner? < 1238719183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "meep meep" < 1238719187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err? < 1238719188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1238719193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news, AMD renames themselves to Acme < 1238719197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1238719200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Wile E. Coyote, Roadrunner… < 1238719208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh indeed < 1238719224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw see those AMD labels? Want Intel or AMD now? ;P < 1238719239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Give me ten thousand of them and I'll think about it :-) < 1238719272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. s/give/let you pay for yourself and test/ and I'm with you < 1238719275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1238719288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slicehost don't do ipv6 :-( < 1238719303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, too few do IME < 1238719312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1238719316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it must be said that, you know, not many people use ipv6. < 1238719321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see the second 1 april RFC this year? < 1238719328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or did you miss the link?) < 1238719330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did prove to be a good way to narrow down my ISP choices, though — to include only competent ones. < 1238719332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Relink? < 1238719335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1238719376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5513 < 1238719390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIEEEEEEEE < 1238719393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1238719395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : For example, RFC is a TLA formed of the first letters of the < 1238719395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : phrase Rugby Football Club [URL-CARDIFF]. < 1238719425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238719434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tools.ietf.org times out here < 1238719448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://system76.com/images/wild_dog_P5_large_back.jpg ↠Doesn't this have less than the minimum required Port Cruft for a PC? < 1238719456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's legal standards for PC ugliness, you know. < 1238719479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes they removed serial. Which is why it is a no-go < 1238719490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, if you're a dinosaur :P < 1238719491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it is too wide or not tall enough < 1238719500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's just right, I hate big PCs :-D < 1238719531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it wouldn't work in Europe. Observe back of power supply. < 1238719540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no voltage switching thingy < 1238719546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can't you get an adapter? < 1238719551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe < 1238719568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be a shame to lose it over something so, well, trivial < 1238719571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that would remove the "low power usage thingy" mentioned there though < 1238719578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1238719582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't an adapter preserve that? < 1238719617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, adapters leaks in the form of heat and such. Even those built into the power supply in the computer < 1238719622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add more and you get more leakage < 1238719627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. < 1238719632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1238719635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple, dear ehird! < 1238719636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1238719648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, if it was a good adapter it wouldnt' add too much overhead would it? < 1238719678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, I don't have hard figures on that. But still you will get some leakage for every adapter you add < 1238719686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but couldn't you replace power supply? < 1238719692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you mean internally? < 1238719696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1238719697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I trust myself to do that < 1238719706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't screws though on the back < 1238719709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? < 1238719710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how much do they cost? < 1238719724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, yes there are < 1238719730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the silver things on the black border < 1238719742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, search me. I just know I took mine out once to be able to blow away some dust < 1238719746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked fine < 1238719770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what sort of screwhead? Surface seeems even to me < 1238719784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: look at the top-right one < 1238719787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the side < 1238719790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a single horizontal line < 1238719791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dent < 1238719792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the power supply < 1238719793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1238719798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1238719803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you'd just take it all off, no? < 1238719806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and operate inside < 1238719819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ask my hardware-y USian friend, I guess < 1238719852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice, the system76 people are on the ubuntu forums < 1238719870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well on my case you remove the side of the case first, then you hold your hand under the PSU to prevent it falling down while removing the screws from the outside. in the locations of those "balls" aprox. < 1238719875 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One big cable to the mother board. One cable to each device. Not very hard to replug if you remove it. < 1238719875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh - that slow atom thing hyperthreads < 1238719877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd explain it < 1238719879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know how standard it is < 1238719883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: ofc. < 1238719902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, yeah too easy IMO < 1238719906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too easy for non-geeks < 1238719909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1238719911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why so expensive?" on the system76 forums o_O < 1238719927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, make interface harder and more geeks would get highly paid < 1238719933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sort of like c++/ < 1238719934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1238719944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn you are right < 1238719950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what C++ is all about indeed. < 1238719954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be so.. < 1238719958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.erenkrantz.com/Humor/FakeIEEEStroustrupInterview.shtml < 1238719982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I read that. I just played that reply for the dramatic effet. < 1238719984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :effect* < 1238719987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238719995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in fact even thinking about http://www.erenkrantz.com/Humor/FakeIEEEStroustrupInterview.shtml as I wrote it < 1238720029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway keep the geeks who are good at designing noob friendly interfaces well away from any interfaces < 1238720043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238720049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1111781 < 1238720052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>I wanted to know if System76 planned to release any Core i7 desktops in the near future. < 1238720052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure we probably will. We're always looking into the latest and greatest. I don't have specs or an ETA available, though. < 1238720053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, provide a high voltage external connector if needed < 1238720062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do that to me, guys! I can't upgrade if you're about to upgrade :-) < 1238720066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is on the outside < 1238720071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should keep noobs away < 1238720074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: lawl < 1238720109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :truth is, it would keep me away too.... < 1238720114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... system76 "wild dog" quad core 2.83ghz + bogons internet w/ openwrt-installed linux wireless linksys router < 1238720125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like "The Metamorphisis". < 1238720134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Metamorphosis < 1238720135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, do you need that computer for bogons internet? < 1238720138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1238720147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just designing dream? < 1238720152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a "one thing lead to another" thing. < 1238720153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aim too low < 1238720156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sort of, except more "reality" than "dream". < 1238720162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, "this is what I'm planning to get" < 1238720179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personal IBM Roadrunner colocated with at googleplex. < 1238720181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No less! < 1238720189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238720190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/with/ < 1238720199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Imagine having complete access to Google's server farm < 1238720211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, that would melt my mind < 1238720218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather not try to imagine it < 1238720223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so THAT's how they do their indexing! < 1238720225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invite people to try it out < 1238720227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their minds melt < 1238720229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they put them in a jar < 1238720233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hook it up to the computers < 1238720238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :== amazing computing power < 1238720247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it would only melt geeks' brains right? < 1238720248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a billion cores < 1238720255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a manager would not be affected < 1238720262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh indeed, google is evil < 1238720264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, they make it look like a windows desktop for them < 1238720271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whenever you open outlook or IE < 1238720275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns into a really old unix system < 1238720278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :error messages all over the place < 1238720280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huge virus warnings < 1238720285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1238720286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that melt the mind of a manager? < 1238720297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: When the manager calls for a techie, < 1238720310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :androids supposedly infected with a virus come and yell at them. < 1238720315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think about it. < 1238720316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that techie's mind would melt... < 1238720317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Broken techies. < 1238720321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe < 1238720322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can the manager do? < 1238720329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call for more techies./ < 1238720335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they just heat the room up so it melts. < 1238720341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238720381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh I'm almost falling asleep on keyboard. I'm going to eat some garlic (yum!) and go to sleep < 1238720388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew garlic < 1238720388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1238720392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err what? < 1238720396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with garlic! < 1238720400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1238720404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's perfect < 1238720404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Garlic is a nice seasoner < 1238720419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, s/seasoner/base/ < 1238720429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/potato/garlic/ < 1238720437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.*/garlic/ < 1238720445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: s/mind/garlic/ < 1238720453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes! < 1238720492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I allow bacon to coexist if you want. Maybe you could try garlic and bacon flavour < 1238720496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on something < 1238720498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :combined I mean < 1238720507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1238720509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intriguing. < 1238720512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But bacon is best with more bacon. < 1238720523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For you ehird bacon is holy. For me it is garlic. < 1238720537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I'd say garlic is best with more garlic < 1238720551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, Swedes are known for compromises. < 1238720574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2.1 - Logitech X-230 - 2 Satellites, 1 Subwoofer ( +$49.00 )" < 1238720576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we always try to reach some solution that isn't too bad for either side. < 1238720580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those speakers look nice. < 1238720595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have crappy internal ones atm < 1238720601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I wouldn't buy them. I prefer my high end headphones. AKG 240 Studio. < 1238720612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like speakers and headphones. It depends. < 1238720619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have yet to find speakers giving as good sound as them < 1238720631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the even manage bass very well. < 1238720641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238720644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that right word < 1238720649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bass? bas? base? < 1238720650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1238720665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bass. < 1238720680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sv:bas means both en:base and en:bass < 1238720689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means I mix them up in English sometimes < 1238720691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally prefer speakers because headphones tend to... well, the music clogs my brain. < 1238720698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, huh? < 1238720705 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238720706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without the atmosphere noises & echo and whatnot that come from speakers, the sound sort of blots out other thought. < 1238720718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can use headphones when just idly browsing the web and listening to music, but not really much else. < 1238720747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm. Your harddrive isn't as loud clearly :P < 1238720769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need my components to be near-silent. < 1238720780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I wish I had that. I don't. < 1238720781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1238720785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the sound of ... well, not silence, just the sound of a room without any noise in it. < 1238720791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238720800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is those non-headphones < 1238720804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for blocking noise < 1238720807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :earmuffs. < 1238720811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess you could say my favourite song is 4'33" < 1238720811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like headphones yeah < 1238720826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, often see people working with machines with them < 1238720827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238720831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238720833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earmuffs < 1238720841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard the word "ear protector" too I think? < 1238720847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238720882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, does anyone know if you can get the BIOS to not spew info? < 1238720883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I usually use mine when working with my computer < 1238720890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like a bootup process without lots of text. < 1238720897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, I only know how to get it to spew more < 1238720897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Wow, how loud are your fans? < 1238720898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1238720903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, too loud < 1238720910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to sleep next to my computer < 1238720918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shitty mobo, shitty cpu, <1gb of ram, shitty fans < 1238720919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, + I'm over-sensitive to sound < 1238720927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I was only a few cm away from it < 1238720929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, I got much better than normal hearing < 1238720933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was *awful*. < 1238720945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was tested some years ago < 1238720956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so they aren't that loud to other people < 1238720961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me however... < 1238720966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have rather precise hearing. < 1238720970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sight. < 1238720985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm less gifted in the sight department < 1238720992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(glasses) < 1238721008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can pick out individual pixels from not-that-close to a monitor < 1238721011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not if it's high dpi < 1238721022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really watch analog tvs < 1238721025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh I can't do that unless I bend very close < 1238721027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much distortion < 1238721041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could say I'm a pedant in more than just language. < 1238721071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, luckily this room is too small to have the bed in, and the other room to small to have the desk in. Thus I sleep in another room where I don't hear the computer < 1238721081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's funny that I don't really like headphones when I like post-rock < 1238721089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1238721090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of contradictory there. < 1238721121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I find headphones are excellent for classical music (in the wider sense too) < 1238721133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, post-rock is very related to classical music. < 1238721136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238721152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't really know which genre post-rock is < 1238721174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as it says "post" it is too new to have a proper name IMO < 1238721175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1238721186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's basically classical music done with electric guitars. Tends to be a bit pretentious. < 1238721189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how about some Jazz? < 1238721198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like some jazz. < 1238721209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. We share that taste heh < 1238721212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I like Autechre's Gantz Graf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfwD05XA2YQ -- go figure. < 1238721217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is the world ending yet?) < 1238721222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1238721224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is actually limbo. < 1238721233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define:limbo? < 1238721247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Post-death, between heaven and hell. < 1238721262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The catholics are more precise about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbo < 1238721265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :post-*: too new for me ;P < 1238721269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the afterlife condition of those who die in original sin without being assigned to the Hell of the damned" < 1238721270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you above < 1238721286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: autechre isn't post-rock < 1238721299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should load that in your youtubey-thingy so you can marvel at what bad taste I have. < 1238721301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "the afterlife condition of those who die in original sin without being assigned to the Hell of the damned" <--- space constraints in hell? < 1238721306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: :-D < 1238721396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfwD05XA2YQ <-- this is music? < 1238721405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1238721429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... the world _is_ comming to an end < 1238721431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Sarah Dempster, writing for the NME, gave the EP a strongly negative review, claiming "It bleeps. It skronks. It krrraaaanks. But mainly, it blows like a ruddy awful hurricane." She also called it a "festering hillock of tune-shy bum-wank."]] < 1238721438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree completely and I still like it :-D < 1238721481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/72/Autechremax.jpg <-- This is the kind of thing the group who made that do < 1238721491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't for the life of me understand a colour picker in a music application but there you go < 1238721496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, SFW? < 1238721499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1238721500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, SFM? < 1238721501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a screenshot < 1238721503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1238721505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not SFM < 1238721509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1238721514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safe for mind < 1238721517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238721521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not safe for mind. < 1238721524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238721535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you consider that it purports to create music. < 1238721536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I see that screenshot < 1238721542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know what it means < 1238721553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't think _they_ do < 1238721559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1238721564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs on OS X < 1238721572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with too many apps running < 1238721584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not running < 1238721588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the ones with a ^ are running < 1238721603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's a sequencing thingy used by Autechre, who made that Gantz Graf thing < 1238721603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, forgot that < 1238721608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many apps in the dock still < 1238721612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in max/msp which is like visual programming for audio/video stuff < 1238721619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's completely insane < 1238721634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what's the colour picker for? < 1238721636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Coreboot (previously LinuxBIOS) is something that our R&D department keeps an eye on. At some point in the future we may use it. However, there is a lot of testing that needs to be done before we could adopt it as a BIOS replacement. ' < 1238721638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-system76 < 1238721644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: one of the input parameters to it < 1238721654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know you could install coreboot < 1238721684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well you can flash it into your old BIOS < 1238721690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you dare < 1238721694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: er... what does that involve? < 1238721696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds very scary < 1238721729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, booting a floppy, and making sure your BIOS is removable so you can replace the chipset with a backup one if something fails < 1238721738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(make sure to have one too) < 1238721744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i was expecting like, soldering < 1238721755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, flashing your BIOS < 1238721757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never done it? < 1238721760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for upgrades or such < 1238721761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1238721765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you boot a DOS floppy < 1238721768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and run some command < 1238721769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wait < 1238721774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope it all works < 1238721776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then reboot < 1238721788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does coreboot have any advantages apart from being opensourc? < 1238721788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1238721791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, is it faster? < 1238721797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'- Fast boot times 3 sec. ' < 1238721800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, yes. < 1238721802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think it can boot linux faster yes < 1238721803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds great < 1238721807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it can skip many steps < 1238721824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, your hardware could die if you fail it though < 1238721829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in something breaks < 1238721831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1yr warranty < 1238721838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it might not count if it's my fault :-) < 1238721841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plead insanity < 1238721842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, flashing bios would void warranty < 1238721846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yarr < 1238721850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all computers I have seen < 1238721859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is except official upgrades < 1238721873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1238721875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I flashed the BIOS on a dell once that couldn't keep it's time < 1238721877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 3 seconds in bios < 1238721878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helped < 1238721883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then ~20-30 sec in linux booting < 1238721890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be even faster to boot than this mac < 1238721900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um I got those 20 seconds down to 13 on my p3 < 1238721909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I admit it doesn't start X < 1238721915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: doesn't count :-) < 1238721917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts sshd and nfsd basically < 1238721939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and syslog and cron of course < 1238721944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's it iirc < 1238721958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, what's the recommended filesystem for data/os these days? < 1238721965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ext3 for os/progs? < 1238721972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh my. Why did you ask about ise vs ize... < 1238721974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1238721980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing basically < 1238721980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1238721985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1238721991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ext3 for os/progs, and what for data? < 1238722035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I use ext3 for / /boot /usr /var, xfs for rest. With different block sizes depending on for what < 1238722043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xfs... isn't that the sun thing? < 1238722047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually /var/tmp is xfs too, < 1238722053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err it is the irix one < 1238722057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may just put it all on one fs to avoid slowness copying between partitions < 1238722058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jfs is the ibm one < 1238722066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I hate the forced regular fsck < 1238722070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I was thinking of zfs < 1238722072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zfs is the sun one < 1238722073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1238722088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah... "I hate the forced regular fsck" a lot < 1238722093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well you can disable that forced fsck < 1238722099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know the relevant man pages < 1238722100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is that good for stability, though/ < 1238722110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I guess it is an extra safe guard < 1238722119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with small partitions it doesn't take long anyway < 1238722145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 750gb :-P < 1238722147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I just said you _could_, I didn't recommend it < 1238722164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that's one disk (in a RAID 1 pair), not one partition < 1238722165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1238722177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do RAID < 1238722179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for better or for worse < 1238722189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you can get 1tb < 1238722191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that 1tb. < 1238722197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm too sleepy to explain partitioning that I prefer. Partly it depends on your own needs too < 1238722227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: my current backup plan is http://www.tarsnap.com/, which encrypts your backup with aes and puts it on amazon s3 (which a lot of businesses etc critically rely on, so it's very stable) < 1238722242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1238722247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1238722253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does the clicky url include the , < 1238722255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after / < 1238722261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame yer client :D < 1238722262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means 404 < 1238722278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I blame the messenger instead ;P < 1238722278 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a BeagleBoard 8-D < 1238722309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how much does s3 cost? < 1238722313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: from looking around, ati cards seem fine in linux as long as they're one of the well-supported ones < 1238722322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, something like a few cents a gig < 1238722324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ridiculously cheap < 1238722328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but tarsnap pays it for you < 1238722330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pay tarsnap < 1238722333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colin percival runs it < 1238722334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of bsd fame < 1238722338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1238722352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :daemonology guy? < 1238722355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh indeed then < 1238722356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238722361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now. Night. Finally < 1238722365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :period. < 1238722368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1238722369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you use tarsnap, money will be deducted from your account daily at a rate of < 1238722369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :300 picodollars USD per byte of bandwidth used ($0.30 / GB), and < 1238722370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :300 picodollars USD per byte-month of storage ($0.30 / GB / month). < 1238722383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait... < 1238722390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that'd be $225 a month to back up a 750gb drive < 1238722391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1238722398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just for storage < 1238722409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1238722411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's compressed < 1238722412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238722418 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238722444 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238722928 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238723372 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dollars USD. < 1238723485 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238723508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind you get from an ATM machine if you've can just remember your PIN number < 1238723513 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you < 1238723585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if this was covered in that request RFC about the TLA acronyms < 1238723631 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm from the Dept. of Redundancy Dept. You're coming with me. < 1238723665 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238723679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2450.txt <<< wait, what? < 1238723698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's FAIL < 1238723739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the DRD department will _never_ get me *runs* < 1238723919 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION drops a hot water heater on oerjan  < 1238723967 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives the heater a cold shoulder < 1238723971 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ouch* < 1238724031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decapitates the heater and takes a shower in the process < 1238724060 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for your FYI, that hot water heater was just like a hot water heater to me < 1238724076 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you killed it dead < 1238724077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figures < 1238724101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION turns the corpse into a makeshift fort < 1238724124 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're surrounded on all sides! Surrender and give yourself up! < 1238724291 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i surrender, i seem to have run out of redundancies < 1238724299 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1238724323 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"..." < 1238724358 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|*-*| < 1238724400 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now look what you've done. you've gone and woken Sgeo < 1238724418 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayeeh! < 1238724695 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-57-164-119.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238725941 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are we talking about and talking about? < 1238725960 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yep, that and that are right. It's the really annoying and annoying way of being redundant and redundant.) < 1238726164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is neither clever nor clever < 1238726421 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238726465 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238726936 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't be annoying if it were clever, now, would it? < 1238726946 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As opposed to ". . ., now, would it.") < 1238727061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might. i'm sure John Cleese could pull it off. < 1238727162 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238727171 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1238727322 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238727326 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1238727331 0 :cherez!n=cherez@r02snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1238727336 0 :cherez!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238727345 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1238727693 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238728598 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238729328 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1238729544 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238730366 0 :CakeProphet!n=seveninc@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1238730524 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238730616 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-171-213-254.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238736635 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1238739186 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1238739361 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238745421 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster always says "night" a couple of times, but never manages to actually go away. < 1238745599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1238745600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1238745602 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238746057 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238748141 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238750529 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238751105 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"X-Chat -> http://xchat.org <- At least when I quit I don't look like a lamer" < 1238751762 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238751792 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1238753219 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1238755512 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238755775 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-31-26.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238756505 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1238758907 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-100-225.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1238760517 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-44.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238763893 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1238764264 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238764365 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238765651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah < 1238765653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1238765670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addicted to irc < 1238765715 0 :neldoreth!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1238768488 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1238769867 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm, does cfunge 0.4.0 have been released officially? it seems kuonet.org works now but not updated. < 1238769929 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i thought http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/cfunge/ is official page; but there is also sf.net project... < 1238770015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, yes it works now, but I haven't had time to update it < 1238770019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will do that shortly < 1238770030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to fix a broken backup script atm... < 1238770038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is way more important to me...) < 1238770047 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i should mention your sysinfo-multi-stack-sizes.b98 has a bug... ;) < 1238770062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :details? < 1238770172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, ? < 1238770176 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1238770192 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should recheck the issue... not sure yet < 1238770222 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought 2a*1+k$ should be 2a*k$ < 1238770230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, It may be wrong, I remember Deewiant and me discussing what was the right order to push the sizes of the stack-stacks in. < 1238770232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238770241 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, order is not a problem < 1238770253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, that is quite possible, it is a bit old and mycology used to misinterpret the specs for k < 1238770268 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is 12 cells and 5 vectors to be pushed by y command before stack stack information... < 1238770277 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody used to misinterpret the specs for k :-P < 1238770280 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1238770298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to change the way k was handled when Mike Riley showed up with a test suite that was written by C Pressy that handled it differently < 1238770312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C.* < 1238770329 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the fact that you can never iterate only once wasn't exactly expected :-P < 1238770331 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pressey* < 1238770373 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, okay. 2a*k$ is correct, because y pushes 9 cells, 5 vectors, 2 cells, size of stack stacks and list of sizes of stack stacks. < 1238770392 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in befunge-98 there are 9+5*2+2=21 cells before size of stack stacks so that should be 2a*k$ < 1238770396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, so it was correct in new scheme? < 1238770400 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238770404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238770411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right < 1238770453 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think i have to learn arithmetic again... :S) < 1238770471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238770501 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got confused when i miscounted that number of cells to be 22, not 21 < 1238770710 0 :oklopol_!n=ville@a91-153-113-75.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1238770727 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly realizes he has another computer < 1238770987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_, huh? < 1238771057 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- this computer < 1238771063 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop brokered < 1238771070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238771072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1238771099 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i had access to a computer anyway, just couldn't irc that much < 1238771134 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this keyboard is kinda cool, it's been on the floor for about half a year, and i recently spilled a cup of coffee on it < 1238771136 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda sticky < 1238771153 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda nice < 1238771702 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-7-242.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1238771810 0 :neldoreth!n=user@unixboard/users/neldoreth JOIN :#esoteric < 1238773773 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1238777443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1238777891 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-83-144.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1238777950 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1238777972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kdsusa.com/K2626mdhwb.asp < 1238778011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drooleritious < 1238778300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm the pixel pitch is higher than this display < 1238778582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, btw, I don't know when you plan to update the mycology result page next, but locally efunge passes mycology now. It has a known bug with k over k, but so does CCBI < 1238778591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD: i works in text mode < 1238778591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opening mycotmp0.tmp... failed. < 1238778591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to write to it with o... < 1238778591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNDEF: writing to mycotmp0.tmp with o failed: can't test i in binary mode < 1238778592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1238778595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks odd < 1238778608 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I maintain that CCBI's behaviour is not a bug < 1238778612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, i is implemented but o isn't (and y says that correctly) < 1238778629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the i/o related output seems kind of odd... < 1238778630 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, which is why that isn't BAD. < 1238778646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, the reason why it can't test o is not the right one though... < 1238778646 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't be bothered to fix it properly so that it'd say 'UNDEF: o is not implemented' instead. < 1238778650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238778650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1238778651 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes it is. < 1238778663 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tries o and fails, and then it checks if it's supposed to work or not. < 1238778670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, is it still hard to insert extra code into mycology or? < 1238778684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you say you made that easier using { to set storage offset or something < 1238778685 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That area is trickier than most since it's right next to where mycorand.bf is loaded < 1238778694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1238778704 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can assume that {} work at that point either :-P < 1238778723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you can, you test that before you test y < 1238778730 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not fatal if it fails < 1238778734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1238778747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, if it isn't fatal you can't assume it anywhere in mycology can you? < 1238778762 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're only needed for fingerprints and I explicitly say somewhere that fingerprints shouldn't be tested until the core works < 1238778780 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you doing implementing fingerprints into a broken interpreter anyway? :-P < 1238778815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it passes mycology, it can't be broken then can it? ;P < 1238778838 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't directed at you, just a hypothetical < 1238778853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NULL, MODU, ROMA, CPLI and FIXP are implemented in efunge < 1238778862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also yes it also have the bounds bug < 1238778883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm currently working on it in cfunge, should have more time today < 1238779018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, btw efunge defines Erlang as it's host env. This is because erlang will set/change certain environment variables, such as $PATH < 1238779035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is impossible to work around that. < 1238779039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is documented in the README. < 1238779164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, for example, on my system these are the changes made by the erlang runtime: http://rafb.net/p/DCezyl46.html < 1238779374 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238779827 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, fixed the Hello! example on the DOBELA page and my interpreter runs it correctly \o/ < 1238779977 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1238780000 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3792 bytes, I wonder if I can put the whole thing in 4 Kio < 1238780027 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, but 5 should be doable :-) < 1238780412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey AnMaster, i just realised what gfx card i have in here < 1238780413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATI Radeon X1600 < 1238780417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches AnMaster's seizure < 1238780557 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an X1400 Mobility on my laptop < 1238780606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how well does it work under Linux when doing OpenGL heavy stuff? < 1238780607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall be getting a Radeon 4870 in this new box if everything goes to plan < 1238780618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, I haven't tried, but compiz works fine with it < 1238780663 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 4870 in my current machine < 1238780667 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No hardware acceleration \o/ < 1238780670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what video mem/ < 1238780672 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, sauna -> < 1238780677 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 1 GB < 1238780680 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1238780680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I was thinking more about 3D games. For example Flightgear is so opengl heavy it has caused bugs to show up in certain nvidia driver versions too, some developer called it an opengl testsuite as a joke iirc < 1238780682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going for '2 GB ATI Radeon 4870 X2 PCI-Express x16 GDDR5' < 1238780694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I can try glxgears if you want. < 1238780700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1238780707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that usually works okish < 1238780713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a joke < 1238780717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1238780730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 GB video memory heh < 1238780746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, well, why not. < 1238780749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers when 32 MB was a lot of video memory < 1238780760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I bet this machine could run Crysis. < 1238780766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crysis? < 1238780778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's an fps whose large system requirements are a meme < 1238780789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1238780817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minimum system requirements < 1238780817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Crytek and EA < 1238780818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS - Windows XP or Windows Vista < 1238780821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Processor - 2.8 GHz or faster (XP) or 3.2 GHz or faster* (Vista) < 1238780822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory - 1.0 GB RAM (XP) or 1.5 GB RAM (Vista) < 1238780824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Video Card -256 MB** < 1238780826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard Drive - 12GB < 1238780829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's just the minimum < 1238780832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recommended System Requirements < 1238780832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Crytek and EA < 1238780835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS - Windows XP / Vista < 1238780836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Processor - Intel Core 2 DUO @ 2.2GHz or AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ < 1238780838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory - 2.0 GB RAM < 1238780841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPU - NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS/640 or similar < 1238780881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting how Vista needs a lot more for CPU and memory... < 1238780889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw what is the * and ** there? < 1238780900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Er, footnote thingies < 1238780913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, duh, I meant what does the footnotes say... < 1238780915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Supported Processors: Intel Pentium 4 2.8 GHz (3.2 GHz for Vista) or faster, Intel Core 2.0 GHz (2.2 GHz for Vista) or faster, AMD Athlon 2800+ (3200+ for Vista) or faster. < 1238780916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :** Supported chipsets: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT or greater; ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (Radeon X800 Pro for Vista) or greater. Laptop versions of these chipsets may work but are not supported. Integrated chipsets are not supported. Updates to your video and sound card drivers may be required. < 1238780918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1238780927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do* < 1238780935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think since system76 are in the ubuntu community etc there're probably good drivers for the cards < 1238780951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hopefully yes < 1238780961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they only ship in US and CA remember? < 1238780970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I have friends in the u < 1238780970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1238780980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who could ship it to me < 1238780980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ then there is the power supply voltage issue < 1238780993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I can replace the power supply < 1238780997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, would you trust those friends not to keep it for themselves? < 1238781009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You have shitty friends. :-P < 1238781052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION refrains from a reply that would lead to another ignore-from-both-side-war < 1238781054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be friends with someone who would steal a pc & money from me < 1238781065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shipping money) < 1238781141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I assume none of your friends is named Nobby then < 1238781142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1238781178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be a true statement. < 1238781178 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238781204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw those system requirements above, odd that the footnote for video card contains info about sound card drivers... < 1238781221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there was another line about the soundcard < 1238781222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a ** < 1238781225 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1238781225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238781236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right. Sparse copy < 1238781238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION asks stuff in the system76 forums < 1238781309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well those minimum system requirements listed above does seem rather large, but only two are outrageous: XP/Vista for OS, and 12 GB for harddrive. < 1238781332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the recommended ones seems outrageous too. < 1238781356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 12gb hd is standard these days < 1238781362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, games in 2003 were 5gb < 1238781385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well but presumably it means it will use 12 GB, not that it will fit on a 12 GB large harddrive that also contains vista... < 1238781414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238781417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1238781444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you know, I think it would be a good thing to force everyone at EA to work with the demo scene for DOS for a few months, might bring the game size down a bit... < 1238781456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the demoscene < 1238781478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWeh9VQyP3E ↠I can't believe they fit this into 64k in an amiga < 1238781502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are things to optimise stuff that a lot of people don't know. For example the cvs(!) checkout of the full data directory for flightgear is huge. Around 800 MB... < 1238781510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol cvs < 1238781532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I managed to save 50 just by re-compressing all the png textures with advpng -z2 and optipng -i0 -o3 < 1238781542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads the marketing site for the speakers http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/speakers_audio/home_pc_speakers/devices/208&cl=roeu,en < 1238781550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloated png files is a real issue these days :/ < 1238781565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is/are/ < 1238781584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm ok. but what about: the issue of bloated png files is/are a real issue these days :/ < 1238781588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one to use then < 1238781589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's are < 1238781591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er no < 1238781592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's < 1238781597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue of bloated png files is a real one these days < 1238781597 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@ti0056a341-0392.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1238781602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1238781610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the satellites look like traffic lights < 1238781617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there it is singular, but in the other case it is plural... < 1238781619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.logitech.com/repository/324/jpg/2325.1.0.jpg < 1238781624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusing IMO < 1238781624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: an issue is one thing < 1238781634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes true < 1238781636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but in "bloated png files" < 1238781645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're referring to multiple png files being the singular issue < 1238781652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it all be so much clear if we used S-Expressions to group it < 1238781664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\ball/would all/ < 1238781670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/clear/clearer/ < 1238781735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is (issue (bloated (png-files))) (these-days (real issue))) < 1238781749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we could just learn lojban instead < 1238781754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably easier < 1238781762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mi'e .Eli,at.xrd. < 1238781763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1238781772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or maybe not < 1238781782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what does it use , and . for? < 1238781790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: err, like, breaking and stuff < 1238781791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01 Aug 2007 11:28:46 xu mi cusku lo'u mi'e .Eli,at. xrd. le'u < 1238781799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also does google translate do lojban < 1238781801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's "I say 'my name is Elliott Hird'" < 1238781801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no < 1238781811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how did you work out that line there then? < 1238781816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asked someone who spoke it? < 1238781824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That was from #lojban when I was learning it < 1238781826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've forgotten it all now < 1238781841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm strange that names are changed like that < 1238781877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not really; it's just like romanization. < 1238781880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean usually you write a French name in a Swedish or English text in it's original form and so on. Exception being other scripts being transcribed to the Latin charset < 1238781884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238781895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hird -> xrd. ? < 1238781902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like: xu mi cusku lo'u mi'e .Eli,at. xrd. le'u < 1238781902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is: Did I say/Do I say "I am named Elliott Hird" < 1238781903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— me < 1238781906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: x is like ch in bach < 1238781910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: make a programming language which looks like Lojban. < 1238781911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You can't get it precis < 1238781911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1238781918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can make a proglang which _is_ lojban < 1238781919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a yacc parser < 1238781921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238781925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1238781927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the official grammar < 1238781929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1238781931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238781935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lojban.org/publications/formal-grammars/grammar.300 < 1238781959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can a computer actually make sense of that syntax tree you get though? < 1238781974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It can't understand it like a human, obviously. < 1238781982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[it has selbri, which are like functions - they take a number of arguments ("places") and you can skip arguments with special words that move to different arguments]] -- me < 1238781995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's quite a close fit < 1238782019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mee cooskoo lohhoo meeheh Eleaht chrd lehhoo" < 1238782019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where ch is like in Bach. < 1238782021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- me on pronounciation of mi cusku lo'u mi'e .Eli,at. xrd. le'u < 1238782038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, lets say you tell it in lojban "go ahead", but wouldn't there be many different ways to express that? In English there certainly are, some depending on context. < 1238782050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There's always multiple ways to express something. < 1238782057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's impossible to restrict that. < 1238782058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1238782082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The language is unambiguous -- but that doesn't mean what you say in it is. < 1238782088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sure", "go ahead", "okay" could all mean the same thing to a human (depending on context, in certain contexts they would be rather different) < 1238782133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit I don't know lojban, so maybe it has some way to handle this < 1238782135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1238782144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1238782149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still tuned for human expression. < 1238782155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1238782188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we are still far from the computer on Enterprise then :/ < 1238782212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One of the his first non-programming works—the GNU Manifesto—was a certifiable snore-fest, later adopted by a commercial enterprise, repackaged, and sold on the industrial pharmaceutical market as a sedative for invasive surgery. " < 1238782214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Richard_Stallman < 1238782259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw, you said x was like ch in bach above, so "Hird" is pronounced like "chird"?? < 1238782274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, it's pronounced like herd, but lojban has no equivalent sound. < 1238782277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ch is as close as you can get. < 1238782278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i mistook the word < 1238782279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238782286 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blowjban < 1238782298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: you just reached a new low in coherency < 1238782299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grat < 1238782300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1238782346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm.. it made kind of sense in a meta-sense kind of non-sense way < 1238782362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like the description for the last sqrt(-garfield) < 1238782374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be free pacemaker software like corebios < 1238782380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Become an early adopter! < 1238782380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same sort of meta-sense I mean < 1238782389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, er, a "late" adopter. < 1238782393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION *instant rimshot* < 1238782399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, to get back to x: is there a strict connection between spelling and pronouncing then in lojban? < 1238782404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1238782411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I think that is why we still don't use such languages < 1238782413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all letters are pronounced in exactly one way < 1238782417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it is easier to learn < 1238782428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes the language a bit boring kind of < 1238782433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for many people < 1238782455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need some quirks to make it feel like a real language. Otherwise it just feels very artificial < 1238782480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, I read 'colorforth.com update. SeaForth is dead. Chuck Moore is back.' < 1238782484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as 'Chuck Moore is dead' < 1238782487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I died a little insid < 1238782487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1238782489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1238782492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://colorforth.com/ < 1238782500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read "chuck moore" as "chuck norris" < 1238782501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1238782503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238782509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chuck norris codes forth with his bible < 1238782523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lov ehow he looks like he was just in a fight in this pic: http://colorforth.com/chuck.jpg < 1238782525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, soundforth? < 1238782530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how < 1238782536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the name sounds interesting < 1238782540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238782548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 dimensional forth < 1238782551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ooh! < 1238782553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you could have touchforth too... < 1238782555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 4-d funge < 1238782558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which uses sound as the fourth d < 1238782563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to represent it that is < 1238782573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... fourth d? < 1238782579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238782587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as "forth d" < 1238782593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1238782609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the u added it makes sense indeed < 1238782646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how would you encode it in sound? And how would you sync the ASCII file with this signal? < 1238782665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ask oklopol_, he was writing a 4d pong where fourth d = sound < 1238782677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trefunge uses form feed to increment the z dimension... < 1238782690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you probably know this) < 1238782691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238782734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_, this 4D-with-sound pong sounds interesting. Can you elaborate on what this wound mean in practise? < 1238782757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, was this recently or? < 1238782765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: like ... early mid 2008? < 1238782769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1238782778 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about 8D pong, with sound and taste < 1238782794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6D < 1238782801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of your senses. psychics only < 1238782814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238782915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, iirc you said your computer was almost silent? < 1238782924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: generally, yes < 1238782935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not for you and your mega ears < 1238782967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, at what sort of usage does it's fans turn on? < 1238782984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, compiling a small app? Compiling a large app? 3D games? < 1238782997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Compiling generally makes the fans run a lil', but not too noticable. < 1238783014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to get the fans to go high -- I've only had them on full when it measured wrong and put them on full blast by mistake. < 1238783020 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Those two Radeon X2s will make it sound like a space rocket < 1238783028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What, all the time? < 1238783034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm talking about my current rig < 1238783040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the best way would be to have the computer in one room then a terminal in a separate room < 1238783047 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes, all the time. < 1238783052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: o_O Why? < 1238783061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Lisp Machines did that. < 1238783071 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not exactly known as very quiet cards. :-P < 1238783098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have seen some laptops that are silent mostly when you use them, but run fan at full speed when you go compiling or run a simulation or such, and even with the fans on it runs very hot then.. < 1238783102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What actually makes the noise? I'm not a gfx-card-knowledgable kind of person. < 1238783122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that sounds sucky, if they're gonna be loud all the time I'll have to ditch them :-( < 1238783128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an apple macbook (non-pro) did this to me about half a year ago, not the last model or such even back then... < 1238783146 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Fans. < 1238783160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And why does it need to run these fans all the time? < 1238783160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also seeking harddrives (some models) < 1238783164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fans are worse yes < 1238783164 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It runs at around 60 degrees when idle, with the fans on. < 1238783172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what the fuck. < 1238783175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds shite. < 1238783178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err. < 1238783181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean f or c < 1238783198 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I'm confusing the number with power usage in watts, actually < 1238783202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238783207 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to check < 1238783216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my GPU came in two editions, one with fan and one without, sadly the one without was out of stock and I needed a replacement the same day (my old geforce 3 had finally given up. R.I.P.) < 1238783222 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for the record I never use Fahrenheit. < 1238783250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :60c is just ridiculous < 1238783252 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, I was right, at least one review says 58 degrees when idle (22 db) < 1238783258 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :70-75 when active < 1238783262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: wait, 22 db? Am I fucking hearing you right? < 1238783266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fucking ridiculous. < 1238783267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geforce 7600 btw, with the more extreme cards I assume it would be hard to make a fan-less edition < 1238783268 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: When idle. < 1238783268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good god. < 1238783271 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: When active, 40ish. < 1238783286 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And drawing about 200 Watts. < 1238783287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how hot is the CPU in your mac btw? < 1238783288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I should just buy a fan and put it on full right next to my ears. < 1238783289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering < 1238783296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't know I've never touched it :-P < 1238783299 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh, and btw. This wasn't an X2. < 1238783304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what was it < 1238783308 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A plain HD 4870. < 1238783311 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like mine. < 1238783312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, iirc macs have sensors, I even remember seeing some app on OS X showing it in a nice way < 1238783316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot the program name < 1238783327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked when I tried it on that macbook at least... < 1238783328 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The X2s will be worse, of course. Don't know by how much, though. < 1238783329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: so why do people buy these things... < 1238783348 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: People who buy the latest and greatest graphics cards aren't generally looking for silent systems :-P < 1238783354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harumph. < 1238783372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: the lowest end this comes with is a 512 MB ATI Radeon 4550 PCI-Express x16 GDDR3 < 1238783372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, speed, price, low noise level, choose two. < 1238783374 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm satisfied with the quietness of mine < 1238783383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Speed & low noise level. What's the price? :-) < 1238783404 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My current machine makes less than half the noise of the previous one :-P < 1238783423 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did rip out the stock HD 4870 cooler though < 1238783474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Can you watercool these things? ;-) < 1238783481 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, why not < 1238783487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so not going to try that. < 1238783489 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never messed with non-air-cooling < 1238783499 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-63.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1238783501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, cost of whatever two rooms cost around where you live + one of those fancy terminal extender things from blackbox (seen in ads, with happy customers talking about how much better it is not having to have dust collecting computers in clean rooms or whatever, and "contact for price") + noisy computer + monitor + keyboard + mouse < 1238783527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: lulz < 1238783544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a CD drive at the same place as the terminal might be useful too, in case you are lazy it would be a requirement even < 1238783556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(depending on how often you use CDs) < 1238783599 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use a pneumatic tube system to transport the CD to the drive < 1238783609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: how loud would a '512 MB ATI Radeon 4550 PCI-Express x16 GDDR3' be < 1238783617 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Beats me, google for reviews < 1238783619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, something like that listed on http://www.blackbox.com/Store/Results.aspx/KVM/n-4294964384/p-0 maybe < 1238783623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Bah :-) < 1238783639 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I only know about stuff I've considered buying :-P < 1238783646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :price doesn't seem _too_ bad in fact.. < 1238783678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Wish you hadn't told me this, now I'm out of ideas :D < 1238783700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, idea: enormous external headsink. Imagine this: an external 3 kg headsink on the top of the computer case... < 1238783711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :passive air cooling < 1238783712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238783724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why watercooling never comes standard < 1238783725 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well, I decided early on that I'd get approximately the best gfx card < 1238783737 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I only really looked at the 4870 and the GeForce GTX 260/280 < 1238783750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because when things go bad they go really bad. That may be why water cooling is not very popular. < 1238783753 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the former was 100€ or so cheaper so it was an easy decision :-P < 1238783756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be wrong though... < 1238783763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yar, it's just that one airplane-noised computer was enough for a lifetime for me. < 1238783795 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I've had a lot of those, I think my current one is simultaneously the quietest and most powerful machine I've ever had, by far :-) < 1238783803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean a failed fan is much less of a problem, computer will detect that it is overheating and then shut itself off at some point. A lot of modern computers do that at least. < 1238783819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Got a microphone with good enough quality to give an accurate picture of the loudness? :P < 1238783821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :handled by mobo/bios or such < 1238783832 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No microphone at all, sorry < 1238783849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deep lake water cooling uses cold water pumped from the bottom of a lake as a heat sink for climate control systems^W^W^Wcomputers. < 1238783850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_lake_water_cooling < 1238783858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds... < 1238783902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, interesting, but is it used for computers? yet? < 1238783906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No. :-P < 1238783910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238783911 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I can't hear it at all when I've got earphones+music on, unless I explicitly try to listen for it < 1238783922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, I don't do headphones [as yesterday] < 1238783941 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You broke them, or what? ;-) < 1238783959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: can't think properly with them < 1238783999 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to just turn sounds off and keep them on :-P < 1238784014 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I find myself needing extra-effective thinking, that is < 1238784023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can actually hear the fans in my computer even with ear protectors (or whatever the name was). Though the ear protectors do help reduce it to a acceptable level... < 1238784035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an* < 1238784057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, computers suck. < 1238784102 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, earphones refer specifically to earbuds, I didn't mean those < 1238784102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, about headphones, with no sound playing my headphones hardly reduce outside noise at all. But your does? < 1238784123 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a bit, since they're circumaural < 1238784130 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much though < 1238784131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, earbuds? is that before they become earflowers??? < 1238784138 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238784146 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, never even realized that < 1238784156 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/IPod_Earbuds.JPG < 1238784270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... when I click that link I get a message from konq saying "Tjänsten "/home/anmaster/.local/share/applications/gimp.desktop" är felaktig.", weird.. < 1238784280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy pasting url works < 1238784282 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tjänst? < 1238784285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :service < 1238784290 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I knew that. < 1238784296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you ask then? < 1238784300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1238784301 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1238784302 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1238784305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1238784313 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know it in time. < 1238784321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway about that pic... aha, those yeah < 1238784331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard the name "earbuds" for them before < 1238784340 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else? < 1238784349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard a English name I think < 1238784351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for them < 1238784356 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1238784375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, "earbuds" always fall out of my ears... < 1238784376 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.redtower.hu/kepek/upload/2008-09/sennheiser_hd555.jpg is what I've got < 1238784381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very irritating < 1238784383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :earbuds or earphones < 1238784389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you didn't put them in deep enough < 1238784396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're not getting uncomfortable ear damage they'll fall out < 1238784407 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get uncomfortable ear damage and they still fall out < 1238784408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1238784411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I have ones pretty like that except more shit < 1238784422 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1238784432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that explains it, I tried to not cause damage to myself I guess. < 1238784451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, AKG 240 Studio are my headphones, google for them < 1238784467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discontinued :D < 1238784469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1238784470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.akg.com/site/products/powerslave,id,252,pid,252,nodeid,2,_language,EN.html < 1238784471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1238784479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they look funny < 1238784492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mean? < 1238784496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ears are too small for headphones < 1238784496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238784498 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem a bit small: are those circumaural or supra-aural? < 1238784507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the url looks funny I'd say, but the actual headphones? no < 1238784529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I would answer if I knew what "circumaural" or "supra-aural" meant... < 1238784551 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Around ear" or "on top of ear" < 1238784573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, diameter for the round areas is approx. 10 cm < 1238784575 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. does your entire ear fit inside them < 1238784621 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that'd make them circumaural < 1238784623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that is outer diameter of the padded area. inner diameter is ~6.5 cm < 1238784639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly more, 6.75 probably < 1238784694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway they are comfortable and the sound is high quality, which is what I care about < 1238784739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems to fit just around my ear < 1238784753 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite satisfied with Grado Labs SR60 < 1238784755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just checked) < 1238784879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, anyone remember that google shell thingy? < 1238784925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1238785052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ehird ? < 1238785058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1238785066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, remember that google shell thingy? < 1238785069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1238785074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess not < 1238785076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goosh.org/ < 1238785088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(needs javascript yes..) < 1238785173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238785180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks < 1238785275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah, but fun idea < 1238785285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a very good implementation indeed < 1238785292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd semantics is broken for example < 1238785361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't I just have speed, power and quietness :-P < 1238785365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND A FREAKING PONY. < 1238785424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because life sucks? < 1238785432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should unsuck. < 1238785447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid it may be stuck... < 1238786339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Currently Mausezahn is only available for Linux platforms. Please do NOT PORT Mausezahn to Windows!" < 1238786345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insecure much? < 1238786568 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1238786950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1238787045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any way to pass a parameter list as a argument to a macro? example: I want a macro to declare a prototype (lets not discuss why right now), and I want to do something like #define MAKEPROTO(funcname, rettype, arguments) rettype someprefix ## funcname (arguments) < 1238787065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this sounds like something you may know? < 1238787068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi btw ais523 < 1238787093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in C99, yes < 1238787117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a __VA_ARGS__ keyword < 1238787122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah nice, yes I'm doing C99 atm in fact (and yes I still have a reason to do prototypes in a strange way) < 1238787123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'm not sure about those trailing underscores < 1238787128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.. < 1238787143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a gcc extension, ,##__VA_ARGS__ < 1238787159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which removes the comma immediately before the variable arg list if there are no variable arguments < 1238787190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the traditional C89 trick, by the way, is to use an extra pair of parens < 1238787202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define MAKEPROTO(funcname, rettype, arguments) rettype someprefix ## funcname arguments < 1238787211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and always enclose the arguments in a second pair of parens when passing them to the macro < 1238787214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that may work fine < 1238787223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in MAKEPROTO(main, int, (int argc, char** argv)) < 1238787236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for why: If it was C++ this would have been templates... < 1238787257 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why not make it C++? ;-P < 1238787289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'll let you figure that out yourself... < 1238787808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ... < 1238787813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define CF_MEMPOOL_FUNCPROT(m_rettype, m_funcname, m_args, m_attrs) \ < 1238787813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : m_attrs m_rettype cf_mempool_ ## CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANT ## m_funcname m_args < 1238787820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't it expand CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANT I wonder... < 1238787828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is defined before calling the macro < 1238787831 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macros aren't recursive < 1238787834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though after the macro was defined < 1238787847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how is that relevant? < 1238787849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANT fspace < 1238787863 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I mean they're not expanded recursively < 1238787883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how to get it to work? hm < 1238787883 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The contents of the macro aren't rechecked to see if they contain another macro < 1238787887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define CF_MEMPOOL_FUNCPROT(m_rettype, m_funcname, m_args, m_attrs) \ < 1238787887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : m_attrs m_rettype cf_mempool_ ## CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANT ## m_funcname m_args < 1238787888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANT fspace < 1238787889 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1238787899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CF_MEMPOOL_FUNCPROT(bool, setup, (void), FUNGE_ATTR_FAST) < 1238787910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I see hm < 1238788143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no, they are < 1238788144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that < 1238788146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll turn into < 1238788153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf_mempool_CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANTm_funcnam < 1238788154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1238788158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't a defined macro name < 1238788161 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: What, they are? < 1238788168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: of course < 1238788171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you can call a macro in a macro < 1238788263 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the expansion was done at #define time which'd have been why define FOO BAR and BAR FOO doesn't loop infinitely < 1238788267 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But evidently not < 1238788338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's recursion detection < 1238788346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets even more complex when ## is involved < 1238788353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :## has some weird rules with respect to macros < 1238788370 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh noes, Home of the Underdogs is down < 1238788454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so why does it turn into cf_mempool_CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANTm_funcnam < 1238788463 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because that's how ## works. < 1238788466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238788467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok < 1238788474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: pass ing CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANT as an argument to that macro < 1238788479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ing// < 1238788485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Deewiant/AnMaster/ < 1238788491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf did I do there? < 1238788501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes that should work < 1238788514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that the ## is happening before the #define expansion < 1238788534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1238788559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it helps to have the standard in front of you: if you search for n1124.pdf, you'll get one of the drafts proposed as an expansion to C99 < 1238788568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which contains all the C99 stuff you need to care about < 1238788584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drafts are available for free even though the standard itself isn't < 1238788597 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1238788602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I have C99:TC3 (that is C99 + proposed bug fixes iirc) < 1238788614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1238788698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to pass it to the top macro even it seems < 1238788759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was using another macro calling the first one to define the various types, then calling that macro several times for the different variants < 1238788929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘*’ token < 1238788930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238788958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1238788977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(missing "struct") < 1238789344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how mad would you say that including an internal header twice but with different defines to create two different implementations is? < 1238789372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's mad or not, I know I've done it lots of times but I think I'm mad too < 1238789376 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=BeholdMy@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1238789438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :carchive works using a program that recursively includes itself with different defines < 1238789483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :carchive? < 1238789500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a program that inputs a set of files < 1238789507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and creates a C program that reconstructs them < 1238789524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a self-extracting archive program, just in portable C rather than as a Windows .exe < 1238789534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it a while back, I've never used it < 1238789599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238789630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning to use it to distribute C-INTERCAL < 1238789640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pax is better for that, and besides carchive doesn't handle directories < 1238789904 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol_, this 4D-with-sound pong sounds interesting. Can you elaborate on what this wound mean in practise? <<< basically curveball, but also a fourth dimension in color and sound. < 1238789958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_, how would the sounds bit work (from a user perspective)? < 1238789983 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so usually you'd try to stay in the same position as the ball until it turns your color and the sound has the correct pitch < 1238789988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would I sing to control the position of the paddle in the 4th dimension or what? < 1238789999 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no two joysticks or smth < 1238790004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238790091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_, what do you mean same position as the ball? And what is "curveball"? When I google I get stuff related to baseball hm. < 1238790103 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?q=curveball < 1238790113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so it is the baseball one then? < 1238790118 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top one is http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/curveball < 1238790119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read what I just said duh < 1238790133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not here. Here top one is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball < 1238790135 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curveball is a flash game, and same position means you'd stay in the same 3d coords as the ball, in the cube < 1238790146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also I don't have flash as you know < 1238790148 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, then there's 4d rotation of the cube.... < 1238790153 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Actually I didn't know < 1238790171 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I did but I didn't consider it important enough to remember < 1238790181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, meh, ehird claims I mentioned it millions of times before every time I mention it. < 1238790192 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can check out the tesseract rotation animations on wikipedia < 1238790194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I thought "lets avoid that for once" < 1238790286 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not having flash an ideology issue, or why should people assume you're never going to take the 3 minutes it takes to install it? < 1238790357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_: partly ideology, partly security (it's the biggest cross-platform security hole in existence), and often people have a system it doesn't work on < 1238790376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, not having Flash is really useful, do you have any idea how annoying Flash is? < 1238790394 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i asked a prof if they'd organize an exam on schaum's mathematical handbook, and they were like all philosophical "hmm interesting idea, if done right... but no, of course not" < 1238790510 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i consider flash the cornerstone of internet, internet is mostly used to browse for flash content, then using it. < 1238790589 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'd have to be a *nix user to know why it's annoying < 1238790601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1238790607 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(joke is i am, this is my ubu machine) < 1238790699 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should stop my mindless rambling and read about vector spaces < 1238790734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238790744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge_mempool_priv.h:90: warning: no previous prototype for ‘cf_mempool_CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANT_setup’ < 1238790745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1238790752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANT fspace < 1238790753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include "cfunge_mempool_priv.h" < 1238790769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'm calling a macro like: < 1238790771 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and drink the rest of my beers) < 1238790774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bool CF_MEMPOOL_FUNC(setup, CF_MEMPOOL_VARIANT) (void) < 1238790788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you need two layers of indirection < 1238790790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the macro is defined like: < 1238790790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define CF_MEMPOOL_FUNC(m_funcname, m_variant) \ < 1238790790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cf_mempool_ ## m_variant ## _ ## m_funcname < 1238790801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hmm... < 1238790808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want #define CF_MEMPOOL_FUNC(m_funcname, m_variant) CF_MEMPOOL_FUNC1(m_funcname, m_variant) < 1238790815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that? < 1238790816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put the new value in FUNC1 < 1238790828 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it alcoholism when you can't finish your beers and therefor need to drink for multiple weekends on end? < 1238790834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_: I don't know < 1238790836 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*therefore < 1238790874 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can generalize that and answer for another activity < 1238790888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: weirdness with ## and macros < 1238790900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238790913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the double macro thing was needed for # only < 1238791088 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-2.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1238792747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can't you use macros inside typedefs? < 1238792758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef struct CF_GHT_STRUCT(CF_GHT_VAR, hash_key) { < 1238792758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : CF_GHT_KEY p_key; /**< The key. */ < 1238792758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} CF_GHT_NAME(CF_GHT_VAR, hash_key_t); < 1238792760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gives: < 1238792766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/arvid/src/cfunge/hotcold/lib/libghthash_fspace/ght_hash_table_priv.h(5): error: expected a ")" < 1238792766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : typedef struct CF_GHT_STRUCT(CF_GHT_VAR, hash_key) { < 1238792766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1238792768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from icc < 1238792770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and: < 1238792775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/arvid/src/cfunge/hotcold/lib/libghthash_fspace/ght_hash_table_priv.h:5: error: expected ‘)’ before ‘,’ token < 1238792777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from gcc < 1238792784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wondering why... < 1238792804 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Did you run gcc -E? < 1238792808 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or cpp or whatever < 1238792813 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1238792819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: typedefs are compile-time, macros are preprocess-time, they don't interact < 1238792826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1238792852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, not yet, because for this file I need to pass lots of -I and so on, will do that next < 1238792870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef struct CF_LIBGHT_NAME_INTERN(s_, fspace, hash_key) { < 1238792870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungeSpaceHashKey p_key; < 1238792870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} CF_LIBGHT_NAME_INTERN(ght_, fspace, hash_key_t); < 1238792872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh < 1238792876 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1238792878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the preprocessed result < 1238792889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh a typo in the macro name < 1238792890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1238792935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc went mad < 1238792939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line numbers are all wrong < 1238792943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/arvid/src/cfunge/hotcold/lib/libghthash_fspace/hash_functions_priv.h:97: warning: type defaults to ‘int’ in declaration of ‘ght_hash_key_t’ < 1238792948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that line is inside a comment... < 1238792957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1238792983 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#line somewhere? < 1238793027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well probably, the actual error was 5 lines away < 1238793313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who wants to know how I fixed synta < 1238793313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1238793336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, syntax of what? < 1238793342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax < 1238793382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "syntax" in this case? The name of some language or what? < 1238793408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax < 1238793804 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest94576 < 1238793861 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes tell me!" < 1238793891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/first-sale-president-obama-and-queen-england < 1238793897 0 :Guest94576!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :M0ny < 1238793909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems President Obama gave an iPod with music on to the Queen of England < 1238793916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody's entirely sure if that's legal or not < 1238793924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to copyright law being so broken < 1238793934 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sue Obama!!!11one < 1238793971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, all that's been deduced so far is that the Queen didn't break UK law as a result, because she's the Queen and can do what she wants < 1238793981 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238794025 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite like the idea of a legal system where that 'because' always applies but in this case I'm amused < 1238794038 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here an expert on vector spaces or should i just highlight oerjan < 1238794054 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start with your question and then highlight oerjan < 1238794060 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm not a bad idea < 1238794065 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, if nobody answers within a few minutes < 1238794073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: the ability of the Queen to do whatever she wants has never been repealed < 1238794079 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_, you already highlighted oerjan, except that he's not here < 1238794081 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, oerjan doesn't seem to be here, so you're screwed anyway < 1238794082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although she can't introduce new laws, just reject the ones Parliament came up with < 1238794124 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just wondering could there be an infinite vector space for which there is no linearly independent subset which generates the space < 1238794155 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just proved for finite vector spaces that there's always such a set < 1238794158 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intuition says 'no' < 1238794167 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess with the AoC anything can happen ;-P < 1238794245 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes intuition says no, i just don't feel like proving it myself so i was hoping for a shortcut < 1238794260 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably just notational convenience it's only proved for finites < 1238794275 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1238794277 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1238794295 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"generation" means linear combinations of *finite* subsets at a time < 1238794322 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1238794343 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if there are linearly dependent vectors used to generate a vector in the space, then you could just use the other vectors they are linearly dependent with < 1238794368 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With an infinite number of combinations... I don't see why generation would be impossible < 1238794403 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh waiyt < 1238794404 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wait < 1238794431 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is about a *maximal* generating subset < 1238794495 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1238794495 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1238794495 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1238794501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:27 ais523: Deewiant: the ability of the Queen to do whatever she wants has never been repealed < 1238794504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yerk, seriously? < 1238794509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to become queen then kill everyone. < 1238794514 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238794520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: htf are you going to become Queen? < 1238794526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SHUT UP < 1238794543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need a time machine < 1238794549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a serial cable connected to reality < 1238794552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1238794562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a time machine is sufficient to be able to do anything anyway, you don't have to be the Queen as well < 1238794565 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest something with more bandwidth < 1238794580 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rewriting reality over a serial cable is likely to take a long time < 1238794585 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess that's why you need the time machine < 1238794603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: er, are you sure? I mean, you can go and change everything by going back a few million years < 1238794608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you make subtle changes just because you're there? < 1238794613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : having a time machine is sufficient to be able to do anything anyway, you don't have to be the Queen as well <-- only if you have the Ultimate Edition of it. < 1238794616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's a given < 1238794645 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's not much sense in talking about time machines unless you've defined the rules under which they operate < 1238794657 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that in the real world, there are no such rules since they don't operate. :-P < 1238794660 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even if you've defined the rules < 1238794676 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a matter of opinion. < 1238794679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: time travel's been proven to be impossible? < 1238794688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when < 1238794697 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: true. < 1238794730 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Assumed impossible until proven possible. < 1238794733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, " That's a matter of opinion." < 1238794765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, well, that's a rather ridiculous view to take, it's not like there's no viable theories under which time travel is possible < 1238794769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(the UK, after all, lacks a fair use doctrine)" o_O < 1238794837 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no viable theories under which time travel is possible. < 1238794839 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Viable? Do tell < 1238794848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It should be noted that I'm talking shit. < 1238794856 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1238794859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should know that I do that all the time by now. < 1238794860 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duly noted. < 1238794882 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly i decide to believe you < 1238794890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[yeah I'm the first poo that can talk isn't that amazing] < 1238794893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ comedy < 1238794900 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxxxxXXD < 1238794902 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next time you say something interesting, I'll tell you you're full of shit and you can't refute me. < 1238794939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: are _you_ an instance of feces that can audibly communicate? no? then shut up. < 1238794948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthx < 1238794953 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's an 'instance of faeces' < 1238794966 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it like a crock? < 1238794972 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to south park the first talking poo was bono < 1238794978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to be all hoi polloi about it, Deewiant, sure. < 1238794987 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_: ++ < 1238795006 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Ah, a sophisticated piece of shit. < 1238795057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In December 1982, an 8-year-old boy, Jeffrey R. Yee, supposedly received a letter from U.S. President Ronald Reagan congratulating him on a worldwide record of 6,131,940 points, a score only possible if the player has passed the Split-Screen Level.[16] Whether or not this event happened as described has remained in heated debate among video-game circles since its supposed occurrence. In September 1983, Walter Day, chief scorekeeper at Twin Galaxies, took < 1238795060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the US National Video Game Team on a tour of the East Coast to visit video game players who claimed they could get through the Split-Screen. No video game player could demonstrate this ability. In 1999, Billy Mitchell offered $100,000 to anyone who could provably pass through the Split-Screen Level before January 1, 2000; the prize went unclaimed.[16] < 1238795064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ why don't they just make an ai to play it < 1238795066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1238795081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which game is that? < 1238795085 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pac-Man < 1238795092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1238795097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's the split-screen level? < 1238795100 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there seriously a special "Split-Screen" level? < 1238795104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes < 1238795106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Split_Screen_in_Pac_Man.gif < 1238795108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :level 256 < 1238795109 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happens when the level counter rolls over < 1238795113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :land of corrupted memory < 1238795120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The 256th split-screen level can not be completed because of a software bug. " < 1238795121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so it wasn't deliberate? < 1238795126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR CAN IT ? ? ? < 1238795130 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1238795143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pac-Man technically has no ending—as long as the player keeps at least one life, they should be able to continue playing indefinitely. However, because of a bug in the routine that draws the fruit, the right side of the 256th level becomes a garbled mess of text and symbols, rendering the level impossible to pass by legitimate means. Normally, no more than seven fruits are displayed at any one time, but when the internal level counter (stored in a sing < 1238795146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :le byte) reaches 255, the subroutine erroneously causes this value to "roll over" to zero before drawing the fruit. This causes the routine to attempt to draw 256 fruits, which corrupts the bottom of the screen and the whole right half of the maze with seemingly random symbols.[14] < 1238795153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want two hundred and fifty six fruits. < 1238795159 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1238795169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as well as allowing players to see what would happen if the 256th level is cleared (the game loops back to the first level, causing fruits and intermissions to display as before, but with the ghosts retaining their higher speed and invulnerability to power pellets from the later stages)" < 1238795171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :booooring < 1238795203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Despite claims that someone with enough knowledge of the maze pattern could play through the level, it is technically impossible to complete since the graphical corruption eliminates most of the dots on the right half of the maze. A few edible dots are scattered in the corrupted area, and these dots reset when the player loses a life (unlike in the uncorrupted areas), but these are insufficient to complete the level" < 1238795205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, why is this so lame < 1238795216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping for something like that memory-corruption tron thing < 1238795219 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bugs aren't usually particularly exciting < 1238795244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone link to that tron thing, ais523? < 1238795257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know it < 1238795306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes you do, it was that thing on an old console where they made a lightcycle game and the AI shot the wall < 1238795311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping the split screen would be something like two pacman games with one set of controls < 1238795314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and started shooting corrupted memory < 1238795316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember? < 1238795319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no I don't < 1238795328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< You said it was great when I linked it ages ago < 1238795329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never knew, stop trying to claim I knew something when I didn't < 1238795357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did know you've just forgotten because when I find the links I'll prove it via the logs :-P < 1238795457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, possibly the stupidest image on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Win3x_Black_Screen_of_Death.gif < 1238795478 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Screenshot in Virtual PC." :-) < 1238795498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only that, it's an /animated/ screenshot < 1238795501 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even a gif animation, yes. < 1238795502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice the blinking cursor? < 1238795511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure an animated screenshot makes sense < 1238795668 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it weren't for that, it'd be truly pointless < 1238795718 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's not art then *i'm* not art. < 1238795803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1238795806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's art, alright < 1238795810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to play frogger now < 1238795847 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also turns out it's a proof in algebra II that infinite spaces always have an independent basis too < 1238795879 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how wonderful < 1238795888 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1238795951 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "basic algebra 2" < 1238796023 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not gonna get to "algebra" in years < 1238796333 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes that the number 13 has magical being-close-to-100-when-multiplied-by-8 powers < 1238796352 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1238796354 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your output: < 1238796355 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1238796355 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expected: < 1238796355 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1238796379 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[\r\n]-issue? < 1238796384 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Propably < 1238796398 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or trailing spaces < 1238796404 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or those spaces differ < 1238796427 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt latter < 1238796434 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As do I, but it's possible < 1238796436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: no < 1238796442 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1238796443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anagolf strips whitespace < 1238796447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: so wutz the code? < 1238796448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wuts up < 1238796449 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like non-ASCII characters all that much. < 1238796449 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1238796451 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh anagolf < 1238796457 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rights < 1238796467 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, are you supposed to print \n or not? < 1238796476 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of our automagical-checkery programming homeworks was "do matrix inversion in C++", and the results-checker checked for exact match, so you had to perform all the operations in exactly the right order, to get the floating-point inaccuracies done the same way. < 1238796478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it doesnt matter < 1238796479 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it strips whitespace i hear < 1238796479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its stripped < 1238796481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your code < 1238796483 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmh < 1238796496 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then my Befunge should be correct < 1238796511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: show it < 1238796515 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"%hpvs{$0sppiL"v < 1238796515 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<<<<<<,-4_@#:<<< < 1238796518 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...show it? < 1238796526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how is that short < 1238796527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1238796530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1238796531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: < 1238796532 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1238796540 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nick errorance < 1238796546 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couln't think of anything shorter < 1238796555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: o_o < 1238796559 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1238796568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:08 FireFly: "%hpvs{$0sppiL"v < 1238796569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:08 FireFly: <<<<<<,-4_@#:<<< < 1238796573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's trying to golf hello world < 1238796578 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1238796581 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry :( < 1238796586 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw < 1238796587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1238796596 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a"!dlrow ,olleH"dk,@ < 1238796600 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without the letters "H", "e" etc. in the source < 1238796602 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's shorter isn't it :-P < 1238796602 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1238796613 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Helloworldless Hello world" < 1238796613 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1238796627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do 1+ before outpu < 1238796628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1238796632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and subtract one from the chars < 1238796632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we < 1238796636 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1238796640 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a similar idea < 1238796641 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: No newline in that < 1238796648 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4- is just as good as 1+. < 1238796649 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But -1 doesn't work < 1238796662 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not +1 either IIRC < 1238796669 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eg. you get chars that are forbitten < 1238796676 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as e -> d < 1238796686 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forbidden* < 1238796695 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err aren't there 16 numbers in befunge < 1238796704 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have 31 possibilities < 1238796727 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hunch one of them doesn't have the illegal chars < 1238796731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_: e and d are numbers in hello world < 1238796737 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and -4 works for me < 1238796739 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, if that 4- in the code works, I don't see why it matters which one you pick. < 1238796741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"e and d are numbers" < 1238796744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you only have 14 working numbers < 1238796744 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err right < 1238796749 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i'm an idiot < 1238796750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O RLY < 1238796755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: we're talking about Befunge-98 < 1238796761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which uses hex digits < 1238796768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, e and d are indeed numbers < 1238796769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is in a string < 1238796780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the aim's to write a helloworldless hello world < 1238796781 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Characters are also numbers FWIW < 1238796784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1238796795 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh right didn't even read the source, assumed ehird readit :P < 1238796797 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: And you can't put "d+" in code either, since, you know, it's a d. < 1238796798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the letters e and d are not numbers :P < 1238796799 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*read it < 1238796823 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are e and d not numbers < 1238796835 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like 5 and 2 aren't numbers? < 1238796861 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e is approximately 2.718281828. < 1238796874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e (hex) = 14 (decimal) < 1238796878 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and d is 13 < 1238796887 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all know hex, fizzie < 1238796899 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_: Why are you telling me this? I'm not teaching you hex. < 1238796904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently apart from ehird < 1238796911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know this < 1238796914 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did we make the same joke? < 1238796915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you said e in a string < 1238796919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a letter there < 1238796921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :context dammit < 1238796933 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you just not get it was making one < 1238796957 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol_: I thought you might, but that's the problem with randomness: you can never be sure. < 1238796990 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, IMO my code should validate < 1238796992 0 :oklopol_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can indeed never be sure; doesn't mean you don't have to guess correctly < 1238797188 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1238798092 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1238798356 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1238798528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, btw exact bounds will be a compile time option for cfunge < 1238798529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1238798575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so you can have incorrect y output but faster speed? < 1238798624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, most programs doesn't depend on the bounds shrinking when space is written < 1238798642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even though it isn't complete yet it already slows down execution... < 1238798655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without bounds: real 0m0.036s < 1238798669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, with old bounds that never shrink < 1238798682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with partly implemented exact bounds: real 0m0.046s < 1238798701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :average of 20 runs < 1238798740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with an initial run before to reduce "not in memory cache"-effect) < 1238798777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is also redirecting output to /dev/null to reduce factors such as terminal < 1238798785 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1238798835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(output to terminal adds about 0.020 in fully buffered mode, and 0.050 in the default line buffered mode) < 1238798837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Ã… < 1238798844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Ã…/^/ < 1238798859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok < 1238798975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, Google INTERCAL style guide back up < 1238798987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I have a local copy from google cache saved here < 1238798990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where? < 1238798991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1238798996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and same place as before < 1238799000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1238799011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cadie.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/INTERCAL-style-guide.html < 1238799030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grabbed a copy from the live.com cache, it wasn't in the Google or Yahoo caches for some reason when I checked < 1238799032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://code.google.com/creative/cadie/ <-- ? < 1238799044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they seem to be the same website < 1238799049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no < 1238799062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one's just the one that mentions INTERCAL whenever you ask it a question < 1238799116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it doesn't < 1238799120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CADIE is getting tired of your simple requests. Please request something more challenging." < 1238799126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of the time yes < 1238799127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not always, just usually < 1238799145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, much of that INTERCAL style guide is in fact very sane < 1238799151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the decisions are justified well < 1238799157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The bit-shifting code necessary for your request would actually be easier to do in INTERCAL. Have you considered changing languages?" < 1238799157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1238799177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the person who wrote that actualy knew enough INTERCAL to make that statement < 1238799193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit-shifting is one of the only things which is actually occasionally easier in INTERCAL < 1238799197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a few cases < 1238799197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, some responses contain embedded intercal even < 1238799207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too long to paste here < 1238799209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, really? < 1238799213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paste it anyway, pastebin if necessary < 1238799237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I just got some < 1238799252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rafb.net/p/tNy0hj51.html < 1238799252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO :3 <- '"'"'"'".1$':1~#32768'"~"#1109$#1"'$':1~#128'"~#2735'$':1~"#546$#0"'"~"#43679"'$':1~"#1365$#0"'"~"#1023$#63"'$'"'"'".1$#0"~#34959'$':1~"#0$#1170"'"~#11007'$':1~"#0$#2925"'"~"#2005$#255"' < 1238799254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some < 1238799262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that's yet another one < 1238799268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the message connected to it? < 1238799272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for which language < 1238799281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"JavaScript is obsolete and inefficient. CADIE thinks you should use INTERCAL.", and you can guess the language < 1238799289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Seriously, get back to work." <-- haha < 1238799294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't yet another, that one's in your paste < 1238799315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that big expression, let me run it through C-INTERCAL's expression explainer < 1238799321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to the work by Joris, it's quite good now < 1238799329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :