< 1243728014 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, yeah. Apple does very good hardware design. < 1243728026 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: There's large fans to the side of the heatsinks. < 1243728032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1243728036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Mmnope. < 1243728039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1243728040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case < 1243728041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1243728045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit of a restrictive grill there < 1243728048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd mount them directly on the heatsink < 1243728068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They probably did that for noise reasons. < 1243728082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then they're dumb. That obstruction will make the fans whine < 1243728085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By having them to the side of the heatsink like that, they can have a large, low RPM fan. < 1243728088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and indeed, I've heard reports about whining under load) < 1243728096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Those heatsinks are big enough to fit a 120mm fan < 1243728107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like the higher-end PC CPU heatsinks < 1243728132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, it's two Nehalem Xeons. Those things are gonna need high RPM fans at load regardless of anything else. < 1243728174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. They use *Intel* processors. < 1243728182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can cook eggs on them if you're not careful. < 1243728184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 2005, bud. :P < 1243728203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I'd scrap the grill and mount the fans directly on the heatsink. < 1243728217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how they got the CPU/RAM on another board? I don't think that's in any consumer-purchasable motherboard setup. < 1243728220 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel's had CPUs you can fry eggs on since about 2001. :p < 1243728235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that's not hard to do, actually. < 1243728244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it not? < 1243728244 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, they design the motherboard. < 1243728256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Apple use Tyan server-grade motherboards. < 1243728264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1243728266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in partnership < 1243728268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they don't make their own < 1243728283 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243728284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a matter of having the FSB go over the edge connector is all. < 1243728300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mac Pros also use server RAM w/ ECC. You need a server board for two Nehalem processors (which also requires you use Xeon, not i7, iirc), but they seem to be doing it willingly too.) < 1243728305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no performance hit? < 1243728318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, oh, really stupid thing about new Mac Pros; < 1243728324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the selection of graphics cards: < 1243728326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why *would* there be a performance hit? < 1243728339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512MB < 1243728339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2x NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512MB [Add $150.00] < 1243728340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3x NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512MB [Add $300.00] < 1243728342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4x NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512MB [Add $450.00] < 1243728344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB [Add $200.00]]] < 1243728359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can choose up to 4 low-end consumer cards, or one low-high-end gamer's card! < 1243728368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a professional's ultra-high-end boutique machine! < 1243728373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woop woop. < 1243728381 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like having the electrons go through a connector instead right on the board makes them magically go slower. < 1243728389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: True, but, longer distance :P < 1243728412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And electrons travel a bit short of the speed of light. < 1243728416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_< < 1243728423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://static.arstechnica.com/macpro0409/14benchwellht.png Okay, WTF. Yeah, okay, so hyperthreading thrashes the cache. SO WHY IS IT SO GODDAMN FAST! < 1243728459 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243728466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.arstechnica.com/macpro0409/16power.png ← Huh, I wonder what Apple did to keep the power consumption so low? < 1243728470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :378 watts at load is great. < 1243728479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For a dual-high-end processor machine w/ 12GB of RAM) < 1243728481 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Because rendering doesn't use the cache that much? < 1243728490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Er, whyever not? < 1243728504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SourceForge Acquires Ohloh < 1243728504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :May 28, 2009 < 1243728505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today SourceForge has acquired Ohloh. We at Ohloh are pretty awed and excited at the opportunity (and challenges) ahead. I plan on blogging more deeply over the next few weeks but I wanted to give you some background on why this makes se... CONTINUE... < 1243728509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP Ohloh < 1243728539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Because you don't exactly access the same memory all that close to the same time in a render? < 1243728542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hahahaha. The low-end gfx cards the Mac Pros ship with, < 1243728555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is just a rebranded GeForce 9500 GT. Which is the ultra-crappy $40 card I got for bsmntbombgirl's rig. < 1243728564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can have FOUR of them!111111 < 1243728571 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is crappy. < 1243728585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that Apple charges $150 for each additional card in there. < 1243728596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Alternatively, you can have a gaming card. Never mind, say, a Nvidia Quadro or Tesla. < 1243728599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, this is totally a gaming machine. < 1243728609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1243728609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Not/Note/ < 1243728613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even a 4890 or an X2. It's just one 4870. < 1243728616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah. < 1243728621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, anyone knows that Apple is $$$. < 1243728636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just shove the costs for assembly and general design sense and OS onto the other components. < 1243728662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm spending $450 on GPUs, I'm thinking a Tesla would be nice. :p < 1243728668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16GB (8x2GB) [Add $500.00] < 1243728668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 32GB (8x4GB) [Add $6,100.00] < 1243728676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit of a price jump there; wonder where they got 4GB sticks of DDR3? < 1243728681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know they even existed. < 1243728696 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(knowing my usage of GPUs, if I'm spending that much, then it's for GPGPU usage) < 1243728708 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Note the price. That's why you don't see them much. ;) < 1243728741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gawp*. The Apple Cinema Displays — you know, really nice things — < 1243728743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They now use OLEDs. < 1243728754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So tempting... < 1243728777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no. < 1243728778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they don't. < 1243728783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just calilng LCD "LED". < 1243728789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupid < 1243728829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that liquid crystals had anything to do with light-emitting diodes. < 1243728847 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, people: these terms mean something other than "LAWLZ IT SHOWS STUFF". < 1243728934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[New LA-based Mac cloner hopes to magically alter status quo < 1243728934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet another company has decided to toss its hat into the Mac cloning ring. This latest venture hopes to avoid Psystar's fate by opening a retail store to supplement online sales. Can we get a WTF?]] < 1243728941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How apropos to what you were saying. < 1243728964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["It's exciting. We are trying to stay as close to Apple as we can with our products," Rashantha De Silva, Quo founder, told CNET. "We are trying to mimic things as much as we can. I'm hoping that Apple sees the value in what we are doing."]] < 1243728970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For values of "value" equal to "ripping you off". < 1243729020 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1243729038 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not ripping them off if they're overchanging anyway < 1243729047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facepalm. < 1243729052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: ...what? < 1243729056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that follow at all < 1243729062 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if apple products are overpriced simply because there's no competition < 1243729067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's untrue < 1243729067 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than having competition doesn't = "ripping them off" < 1243729073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're overpriced because they're overpriced < 1243729074 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a conditional statement < 1243729077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: what they're doing is illegal < 1243729086 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are they doing that is illegal? < 1243729088 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a very nice EFI-based machine and do the whole wink-wink nudge-nudge thing. < 1243729090 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i honestly haven't followed this < 1243729097 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: OS X. < 1243729098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: selling computers with os x on them < 1243729102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a violation of the OS X EULA < 1243729151 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1243729161 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have eulas even been tested to hold up? < 1243729171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple sued the pants off a company doing the same < 1243729181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but eulas themselves aren't generally held to work uncontroversially < 1243729188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is fairly unquestionably illegal, though < 1243729196 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a little confused < 1243729200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, apple products aren't overpriced because of a lack of competition; they're overpriced because they're boutique < 1243729202 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't buy a computer with OS X on it < 1243729206 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are people who buy apple products doing? < 1243729206 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243729227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: apple are an apple-partnered retailer, and they sell Apple-labeled computers < 1243729239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can install OS X on apple-labeled computers, and you can sell computers with OS X on them < 1243729250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're selling computers that they installed OS X on that aren't apple-labeled < 1243729253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore they are breaking the law < 1243729260 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243729270 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems silly anyway but *shrug* < 1243729284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Apple are a hardware company that only survive because of their software. < 1243729287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an odd situation. < 1243729303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They wouldn't make enough money if they just sold OS X for PCs, but nobody really buys an Apple because of its hardware. < 1243729306 0 :Patashu!n=Patashu@c122-106-162-185.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1243729700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1243729769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(for example, getting up close to the Mona Lisa reveals the crackled texture of the dried oil paints, not a bunch of little Mona Lisas)" < 1243729793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Mona Lisas all the way down. < 1243729798 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1243729914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i42.tinypic.com/302yjdg.png < 1243729915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1243729919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That rightmost compression is amazing. < 1243729922 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is whether that part of the EULA is enforceable < 1243729923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad it's a blackbox windows binary. < 1243729947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well, apple don't sell "Mac OS X", they sell "Mac OS X for use on Apple Macintosh computers" < 1243729958 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah. < 1243729968 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that may be illegal < 1243729970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: what's Odikeh's rationale? < 1243729993 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EULAs are high on the list of contracts that may be viewed as unenforceable for the position they put the consumer it < 1243729995 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in < 1243730010 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Odikeh was a conlang, þe Odikeh alphabet was juſt þe alphabet for it. < 1243730053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. < 1243730056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put English in it, see. < 1243730090 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, at'd be wonko :P < 1243730111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be fun is a Standard English Abbreviated Alphabet. < 1243730113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Picture? < 1243730123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., "the x" could be x with a slash or something. < 1243730126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Shur. < 1243730216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uploading. < 1243730231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://imgur.com/0dPo3.png < 1243730276 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Odikeh haþ more letters þan Engliſh, but haþ no upper- vs lower-caſe, ſo a few of þe upper-caſe letters are unuſed. < 1243730292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just typed it in the original cas. < 1243730294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*case < 1243730299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., T is the only uppercase. < 1243730307 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few of þe lower-caſe letters are unuſed too, mebbe :P < 1243730309 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember. < 1243730319 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been at leaſt a year and a half ſince I've looked at it. < 1243730319 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: My custom script is an English shorthand. ;) < 1243730328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do tell! < 1243730334 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þy cuſtom FACE is Engliſh ſhorþand < 1243730343 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, definitely ſhouldn't be a þorn þere. < 1243730347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had a scanner, I'd give some examples. < 1243730356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just use the GIMP or something < 1243730367 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Shortḧand? < 1243730371 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh < 1243730374 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't be ſhorþand < 1243730381 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with these thorns and such? < 1243730382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: h is not a vowel < 1243730387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: GregorR-L wrote a scirpt to do it < 1243730393 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243730396 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1243730399 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's irritating < 1243730409 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1243730414 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonderfully irritating! < 1243730427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhere here, I have a script to start up a nice Xnest for Gimpiness. < 1243730433 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, where is it? < 1243730445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HAY TILING WMS ARE AWSUM < 1243730447 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... why do þou need an XNeſt for þe GIMP? < 1243730461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: it uses 3 windows < 1243730464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he uses a tiling wm < 1243730473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it fucks up because his WM sucks and forces everything into an unnatural layout. < 1243730483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So he needs an xnest to make it seem like one window. < 1243730499 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243730513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Xnest is broken. < 1243730519 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is þere any caſe of þe word "do" where "doſt" is incorrect? < 1243730519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off to workspace two, then. < 1243730520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xnest, as an side, is sucky; there should be a way to use it without starting a whole new server. < 1243730524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't need that. < 1243730544 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, þere is. To doſt þat would be bad. (<-- example) < 1243730575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I'm bringing back a letter of my own. < 1243730593 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? E? < 1243730598 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And-per-ſe-and? < 1243730618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps eth. < 1243730623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But eth doesn't feel very th to me. < 1243730651 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neier do y face. < 1243730655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Perhaps yoȝ. < 1243730667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ȝes, this could be nice. Albeit rare. < 1243730686 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only brought back letters þat had digraph replacements *ſhrugs* < 1243730692 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, at's not true. < 1243730701 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, þe long-s þing is juſt ſillineſs :P < 1243730712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: It's y and gh and stuff. < 1243730715 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRING BACK RUNES! < 1243730732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The disadvantage to this is that Y AND GH ARE REALLY UNCOMMON. < 1243730740 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But þe Ȝ->y was more of a letter evolution þan a linguiſtic change, waſn't it? Þat is, þe letter is þe ſame, it juſt looks different. < 1243730756 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: "dost" < 1243730768 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...hey, you said that. < 1243730770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: No; the letter is "yogh", which was spelt yoȝ. < 1243730775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not *exactly* modern y. < 1243730778 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weirditude. < 1243730794 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: Yeah, but not every inſtance of "do" can be changed for "doſt" :( < 1243730808 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dostn't know. < 1243730813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll bring < 1243730814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ʥ < 1243730819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dz with a flick, bitch. < 1243730835 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, you got the s at the end of a word right. < 1243730847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ɷ, "butt". < 1243730908 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though perhaps "ſillineſs" should be written with... that fancy German lowercase SS thing. < 1243730930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1243730977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esh (majuscule: Ʃ, minuscule: ʃ; Unicode U+01A9, U+0283) is a character used in conjunction with the Latin alphabet, introduced by Isaac Pitman in his 1847 Phonotypic Alphabet to represent the voiceless postalveolar fricative (English sh), and is today used in the International Phonetic Alphabet as well as in the alphabets of some African languages. < 1243730979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its lowercase form ʃ is similar to an italic long s ſ or an integral sign ∫; its uppercase form Ʃ is based on the Greek letter sigma. < 1243730982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERFECT < 1243730991 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at's not a dead letter, at's a was-never-alive letter :P < 1243730999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: btw, you can use ∫ as an s thing that looks italic. < 1243731021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Ʃut up, anyway; I'll use this ʃit if I like. < 1243731024 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I think I may drop s2.normish.org. There's a good chance that ehird would encourage me to do so. < 1243731028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew, that's ugly. < 1243731035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: Yer a mind reader :P < 1243731047 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is þere ſome backſtory here? < 1243731056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whut? < 1243731064 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some backstory where? < 1243731072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, maybe I'll just use the schwa. dəmon. < 1243731073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1243731083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ou (Majuscule: Ȣ, Minuscule: ȣ) is a ligature of the Greek letters ο and υ which was frequently used in Byzantine manuscripts. This ligature is still seen today on icon artwork inside Greek Orthodox churches. < 1243731084 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: s2.normiſh.org < 1243731087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hȣse < 1243731090 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: And ehird being all wompo about it < 1243731104 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: ask him; I don't think there's much to explain. < 1243731114 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ? < 1243731135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I just thought that the idea of starting a nomic from scratch was the silly. Also he used mysql and PHP and stuff and *vomit* < 1243731151 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, I þought it was ſomeþing about þe domain name itſelf. < 1243731157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop < 1243731157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1243731169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turned v (majuscule: Ʌ, minuscule: ʌ) is a letter of the Latin alphabet, based on a turned form of V. < 1243731171 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fomeping", I like at. < 1243731176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I declare it to mean fjkghdfiugherdfl. < 1243731203 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: A common conflagration. < 1243731210 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is a letter of the Latin alphabet"? Which Latin alphabet is that? < 1243731232 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: e Somalian Latin alphabet. < 1243731346 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I like the Unicode character LATIN LETTER TWO WITH STROKE. < 1243731365 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I created a rough example via the GIMP. < 1243731369 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because 2 is totally a letter now. < 1243731375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yaaaaaay < 1243731709 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I think I'll write my vowels enPR-style. < 1243731740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well? < 1243731741 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ll jſt nt wrt m vwls < 1243731805 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as soon as I manage to install the Alt-Latin keyboard layout. < 1243731974 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I'll emulate. < 1243732024 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Th@ kwik brown fox jumps _ov@r th@ l_az_e däg. < 1243732041 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, circumflexes work pretty nicely. < 1243732049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: pingy. < 1243732063 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Th@ kwik brown fox jumps ôv@r the@ lâzê däg. < 1243732135 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this môr ôr less @nnôying th@n Greg@rR's schêm? < 1243732153 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More, mine haþ leſs modification. < 1243732206 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yôô didn't êv@n ûz th@ sâm w@rd f@r "has". < 1243732221 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And þou doſt? :P < 1243732231 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At leaſt mine is all valid Engliſh (of ſome era) < 1243732240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: PINGGGGGGGGG < 1243732255 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wh@t's invalid @bowt mîn? < 1243732338 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If yôô wont, sâ Î'm just wrîting pr@nuncêâsh@nz insted @v spellingz. < 1243732356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo: Yours is so annoying that I refuse to read it. < 1243732357 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did ou really pronounce 'l' twice ere? ;) < 1243732380 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, Î am ûzing cons@n@nts s@mw@t inc@nsist@ntlê. < 1243732404 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually find at quite readable. < 1243732446 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, how wood Î distingwish b@twên "unâmd" and "unnâmd" if Î didn't pr@z@rv cons@n@nt lengths? < 1243732557 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is trying to decide what "unamed" means. < 1243732597 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It mêns "not âmd". < 1243732621 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, un AIMED. < 1243732661 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e ing is, ou actually pronounce e n twice in un-named. < 1243732681 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But þou don't pronounce þe l twice in ſpelling (ſpe*ling) < 1243732698 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? :-P < 1243732708 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Shoodn't that bê "pronouncest" or something?) < 1243732708 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :May be an accent ing < 1243732713 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't þink ſo :P < 1243732717 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I don't do it. < 1243732723 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@r. < 1243732734 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Î gess Î dôn't dôô it. < 1243732738 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now þat's juſt "r" < 1243732745 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's not get all ſchwer-pedantic. < 1243732745 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iz not. < 1243732758 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugz. < 1243732764 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whois' to determine :P < 1243732775 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þat dœſn't tell me þy location :( < 1243732818 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C@nect tôô Nôrmish and run @ whôôiz. :-P < 1243732828 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too lazy. < 1243732829 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/iz// < 1243732847 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quasnaart pts/1 May 17 00:37 (97-84-4-245:S.0) < 1243732848 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetsu pts/7 May 28 16:29 (m7a5e36d0:S.0) < 1243732848 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetsu pts/0 May 29 23:37 (m7a5e36d0:S.1) < 1243732848 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetsu pts/5 May 29 23:39 (m7a5e36d0:S.2) < 1243732848 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope pts/8 May 30 12:40 (c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) < 1243732850 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetsu pts/9 May 30 02:00 (m7a5e36d0:S.3) < 1243732857 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is irritated by Enigma's last tutorial level < 1243732882 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enigma? < 1243732898 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Î w@nd@r whî Î dôn't hav @ :S.0 aft@r mî hôstnâm. < 1243733165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://imgur.com/B8SqH.png < 1243733171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had to go cook. < 1243733190 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, to start working on a different project to replace Normish! >:-) < 1243733204 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I say solely to scare ehird. < 1243733230 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very, *very* rough example. < 1243733236 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bezier curves ahoy. < 1243733238 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hey, "solely" is another double-consonant word.) < 1243733791 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243733851 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243734971 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243734979 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243735011 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a funky setup < 1243735016 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://static.arstechnica.com/macpro0409/3neh_internalshr.jpg < 1243735020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243735208 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1243735266 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-192.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243737284 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243737293 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243739704 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most expensive i could make a mac pro was $15k :( < 1243741182 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1243741284 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿El agua hierve? ¿Qué hierve? < 1243741365 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl: LAME. < 1243741381 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get a system up beyond that before starting on hard drives. < 1243741442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(granted, with hard drives, the theoretical max is oo. There's RAID chassis that hook up via eSATA. Infinite storage FTW) < 1243741546 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raid via sata is pretty stupid though < 1243741551 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will run out of bandwidth pretty fast < 1243742241 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-76-93-237-241.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243742637 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1243742731 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243742747 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hay! You told me I didn't need a e-mail address to register < 1243742759 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now it says I do < 1243742778 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also says I need to register and IDENTIFY to post message on ##C channel. < 1243742794 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But IDENTIFY is not a valid command and I can < 1243742807 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t register without password/email but I don't want either of those things < 1243742821 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/join #freenode < 1243742844 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1243742854 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1243745134 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1243748718 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1243751004 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1243751005 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 2_3weave (>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>[(-)*20[+]](-)*4>[(+)*20[-]](+)*4>(+)*4)*10 < 1243751016 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_2_3weave: 80.1 < 1243751020 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably luck based :( < 1243751062 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's y FACE. < 1243751093 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alſo, you're not allowed to frown after getting þe top ſcore. < 1243751128 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya but I might be abusing... ~~:'(~~ HASH BASED RANDOMNESS ~~:'(~~ < 1243751192 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ou people love to complain :P < 1243751207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SED FAIL. < 1243751215 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, "you" would be correct in this case. < 1243751234 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I þought "þou" was juſt þe polite form of "þou" < 1243751237 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr < 1243751240 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought "thou" was just the polite form of "you" < 1243751249 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so both are correct in any case. < 1243751259 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it ought to cause maximum discomfort to programs that expect a certain behaviour < 1243751261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thou" is the polite second person singular. < 1243751267 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it does not attack every third cell and has mod 3 behaviour < 1243751275 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You" is the impolite second person singular and the second person plural. < 1243751303 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, plurality iſsues :( < 1243751308 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Stupid Engliſh. < 1243751315 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'all people love to complain. < 1243751322 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voſotros love to complain. < 1243751324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Valid. < 1243751383 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thou was the impolite one, I think < 1243751410 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dictionary.com ſays oþerwiſe :P < 1243751424 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it dœſn't eiþer. < 1243751453 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: "In Old Engliſh, generally, þou is þe language of a lord to a ſervant, of an equal to an equal, and expreſses alſo companionſhip, love, permiſsion, defiance, ſcorn, þreatening: whilſt ye is þe language of a ſervant to a lord, and of compliment, and furþer expreſses honor, ſubmiſsion, or entreaty." --Skeat. < 1243751477 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to ſpeak a language I don't actually ſpeak :P < 1243751482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: Ah. Right. < 1243751491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þinko. < 1243751564 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INKO COMMIE < 1243751575 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at's nice, I like at. < 1243751577 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inking is bad. < 1243751584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMMIES ARE PINK AND ÞEY ÞINK! < 1243751613 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only speak ASCII < 1243751615 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tyvm < 1243751620 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION presses 1 for english < 1243751626 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þis is all Engliſh. < 1243751633 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's juſt not ... modern Engliſh :P < 1243751642 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þis is more Engliſh þan you would ever know. < 1243751656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: It's considered modern Engliſh. Early Modern, to be ſpecific. < 1243751663 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/considered/conſidered. < 1243751677 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In þe ſame way þat cro-magnon is human. Juſt not Anatomically Modern Homo Sapiens Sapiens (AMHSS) < 1243751691 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But y'know what people ſay as ſhort for AMHSS? Modern human. < 1243751722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ſentence you to 100 years of Chaucer. < 1243751745 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ſentence þou to 100 years as a Homo Heidelbergenſis. < 1243751765 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I þou þee. < 1243751772 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243751774 0 :psygnisf_!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243752063 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Þyself þou þouëst." < 1243752068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243752266 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I þee þy þou, and raiſe þee þe þouſands!! < 1243752777 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read your ſicp today? < 1243752835 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243753022 0 :amca!n=amca@CPE-121-208-82-97.qld.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1243753344 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243753768 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-32.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1243753912 0 :myndzi!i=myndzi@tengototen.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243754674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1243754863 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pataſhu: Pataſhu_2_3weave doþ in fact do far worſe wiþ different randomization :P < 1243754869 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Patashu_2_3weave does in fact do far worse with different randomization :P < 1243754898 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just tested? < 1243755132 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1243755351 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be pretty common < 1243755361 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the random thing is gonna have to change if we are to have any chance of optimizing things based on the code itself < 1243755362 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1243755367 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm now uſing all lengþs. < 1243755371 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really? < 1243755373 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting! < 1243755381 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ſlow :P < 1243755394 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if þou give me ten minutes to get þe initial cache, I þink it ſhould be faſt enough for normal runs. < 1243755419 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that two of my programs are near the top after that change :> < 1243755425 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasn't changed yet < 1243755427 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe now i can optimize them 'for realz' < 1243755429 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :else 2/3weave would go dooown < 1243755429 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1243755442 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What difference ſhould conſtitute a win? < 1243755447 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well somebody tell me when to check < 1243755449 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, even I'm getting tired of at :P < 1243755453 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: ideally it should be scored on everything < 1243755468 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it were me, i'd give each program X points for a win and Y for a tie < 1243755478 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if they win all matches against another program, that's 21*X < 1243755480 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1243755480 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you checking reverse polarity as well? < 1243755487 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pataſhu: No (not yet?) < 1243755498 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1243755507 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe divide it by something to keep them from getting out of hand, i dunno how the results would be with just that simple scoring < 1243755526 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it would be from -20 to 20 for each run. < 1243755530 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you have the info from 21 battles, it seems kind of arbitrary to "reduce" that information to just win or loss < 1243755533 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't there 21 lengths? < 1243755538 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1243755538 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr, 21, yes. < 1243755543 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd reduce it to a fractional win/loss I presume < 1243755554 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That occurs to me as blehish. < 1243755557 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 wins and 1 loss would add 19/21 < 1243755558 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You heard me, blehish) < 1243755561 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243755575 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know why? the most wins is the most desirable < 1243755577 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1243755586 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of + - and 0 though < 1243755596 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need some set of 1 or 2 symbols indicating what amount was won/lost < 1243755597 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah. i don't know what you will do there < 1243755602 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More accurately, that's a major change to the system ^^ < 1243755608 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sal.math.ualberta.ca/hill.php?key=94b < 1243755613 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ an example of a pretty decent way to do it < 1243755621 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, running against all lengths ISN'T a major change? :) < 1243755651 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that doesn't display it as a grid < 1243755657 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-107-136.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1243755658 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: No, actually. < 1243755664 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean codewise < 1243755669 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant results wise < 1243755682 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: click the name of one warrior < 1243755682 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: There are two components, the interpreter and the reporter. The only interaction between them is execl. < 1243755686 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I did < 1243755699 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of don't want to change that, since I'd like the interpreter to be usable independently ... < 1243755720 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: have the interpreter return a score < 1243755733 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wins-for-1st-program wins-for-2nd-program ties < 1243755735 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1243755746 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: return ohyeahthat'srightthisisaninteger; < 1243755761 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243755769 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"output" < 1243755783 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to parse *blehlazy* < 1243755783 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically you COULD do it like... < 1243755788 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243755794 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ties + losses * 32 + wins * 32^2 < 1243755795 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243755797 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be an integer! < 1243755815 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or for the lazy ties & losses << 5 & wins << 10 < 1243755819 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1243755826 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1243755833 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have the reporter run the interpreter 21 times < 1243755839 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of running the multiple runs in the interpreter < 1243755849 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can get individual results using your precious return ;) < 1243755899 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody give me a quick lesson on associative arrays in Python :P < 1243755913 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dictionaries? < 1243755918 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah :P < 1243755922 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh what < 1243755923 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otyg - Holy Diver (03:51) < 1243755926 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really that much of a Pythoner, but I've decided to be. < 1243755927 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha this sounds amusing < 1243755932 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the dio version much better < 1243755950 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.python.org/library/stdtypes.html#mapping-types-dict not good enough for you? < 1243755968 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i get hg to update a cloned directory? < 1243755973 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg update doesn't seem to do it < 1243756000 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg pull < 1243756001 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg up < 1243756019 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243756034 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg up updates from your /working directory/ from the /local repository/, hg pull updates your /local repository/ from the /remote repository/. < 1243756046 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1243756053 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1243756067 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized when i rebooted i lost my query scrollback to EgoBot < 1243756072 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus all the code i was playing with < 1243756100 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have fun poking around hg :P < 1243756110 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did earlier < 1243756125 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if you heard it, but i guess the package in ubuntu was old, that's why i had problems < 1243756131 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i installed the windows one and it worked great < 1243756143 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me quite some time to figure out how to display the most recent version of a deleted file though < 1243756312 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I meant. < 1243756318 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sort of stuff, not getting it installed. < 1243756339 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i just was saying it 'cause i think you went off before i got it working < 1243756700 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I just set it up to use polarity too. < 1243756707 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow that's getting slow :P < 1243756719 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then again, I am doing 400 runs) < 1243756724 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far it hasn't updated for me, is it still (re?) running? < 1243756742 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :840 < 1243756750 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21*2*20 < 1243756775 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :400 runs as in 20 programs vs 20 programs. < 1243756785 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1243756786 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is a huge overestimate, actually, but eh :P ) < 1243756786 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot a 20 < 1243756790 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1243756799 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20*19*2*21 < 1243756799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1243756799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1243756800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1243756800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1243756800 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey look, slowrush is back on top :P < 1243756802 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15960 < 1243756805 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome! < 1243756810 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 2_3weave right below. < 1243756818 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still get the old report though < 1243756831 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old report for me < 1243756856 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1243756860 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd only need 210 matcups < 1243756862 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 20*20 < 1243756867 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh of course < 1243756869 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20! < 1243756871 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T(20) < 1243756873 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 20! lol < 1243756876 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1243756878 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fail at math < 1243756879 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore me < 1243756887 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20! < 1243756892 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be the number of ways to order 20 elements < 1243756897 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is also a VERY big number < 1243756897 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1243756901 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah *2 < 1243756901 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you want is 1+2+3+...20 < 1243756905 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1243756907 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like < 1243756916 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget, but there's a simple formula for it < 1243756916 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20^2+20 ) /2 < 1243756919 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243756933 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust pooper_scooper (>(-)*32>(+)*32)*5[>[-].+] < 1243756941 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will take a long while, because it's running a full uncached run. < 1243756943 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now the report blanks < 1243756948 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he hadn't fixed it yet < 1243756950 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's watch < 1243756952 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1243756958 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figure this'll show us the real report < 1243756972 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20^2 + 20 doesn't sound right < 1243756977 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all ove r2 < 1243756977 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the squared part, i mean < 1243756980 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's right < 1243756987 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how fast it grows < 1243756991 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but i remember vaguely this formula and that doesn't sound correct < 1243756994 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the sum of 1...20 < 1243756997 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try and plug in the numbers < 1243757002 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1^2+1 / 2 is 2/2 is 1 < 1243757007 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^2 + 2 / 2 is 6/2 is 3 < 1243757015 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3^2 + 3 / 2 is 12/2 is 6 < 1243757017 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on < 1243757023 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1243757025 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is correct < 1243757030 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i could have sworn there was a -1 and some shit < 1243757030 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm so if entering the hill is going to be expensive from now on < 1243757037 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's another formula for the same thing < 1243757047 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: It's not that bad, it's just that this is an uncached run. < 1243757049 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: not this bad, once it caches all the matchups < 1243757051 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still on the order of a few seconds. < 1243757057 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you add another command that doesn't enter a program on the hill but instead makes it do a match against a program on the hill with your program and return the result < 1243757059 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1243757063 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1243757065 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because this has to do < 1243757069 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERY matchup just for the first time < 1243757072 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1243757080 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then after that you only need 20 < 1243757095 0 :whtspc!n=chatzill@c115216.upc-c.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1243757097 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1243757108 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1243757110 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n(n+1)/2 < 1243757113 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1243757114 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the formula i knew < 1243757116 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're equivalent < 1243757118 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is of course n^2+n < 1243757121 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :296/400 done < 1243757122 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's why it looked weird to me < 1243757132 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :400? < 1243757139 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it need to do a match of x against y then y against x :) < 1243757143 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for GregorR-L_pooper_scooper: 28.0 < 1243757157 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: It doesn't, but the framework is from and old system where it does, and it's threaded so it's hard to fix that >_> < 1243757163 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah < 1243757164 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1243757178 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 | + + + 0 + - + + + + 0 + + + + + + + + | 85.7 | 15 | myndzi_slowrush.bfjoust < 1243757179 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot damn < 1243757187 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowrush.isawesome < 1243757196 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 | - - 0 + + 0 - - - - - - - + + - + - - | 28.0 | -7 | GregorR-L_pooper_scooper.bfjoust < 1243757198 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lukewarm damn < 1243757198 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still never managed to top 100 points < 1243757199 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1243757203 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3 weave is surprisingly good still < 1243757207 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: 100 is the max :P < 1243757227 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 | + + 0 + + + 0 - - + + + + + + 0 + 0 + | 71.3 | 11 | Patashu_2_3weave.bfjoust < 1243757229 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's p. good < 1243757230 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 3pass is still up there too, i am moderately happy about that < 1243757243 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to work on optimizing them now but i'm glad i'll be able to try and tweak them better < 1243757254 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if a 3/4weave would be worthwhile < 1243757272 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the 2/3 about < 1243757280 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it skips every third line < 1243757292 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really < 1243757296 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya really < 1243757302 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1243757303 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>[(-)*20[+]](-)*4>[(+)*20[-]](+)*4>(+)*4)*10 < 1243757315 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm surprised it did that well, i guess the speed gain is worth it < 1243757317 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-set up eight decoys < 1243757327 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-(step decrement step decrement step) loop < 1243757337 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, perhaps you can get the same score simpler by simply skipping those lines at the beginning < 1243757340 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i guess vs defend < 1243757364 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, let's try < 1243757367 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :current score is 71.33 < 1243757369 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no < 1243757375 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming that you're going to skip the flag X times < 1243757381 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where X i haven't quite determined < 1243757388 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 2_3weave >>>>>>>>(>[(-)*20[+]](-)*4>[(+)*20[-]](+)*4>(+)*4)*10 < 1243757389 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that if you put those skips at the start it will score similar < 1243757390 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think so < 1243757391 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a decoyless version < 1243757393 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for two reasons < 1243757399 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_2_3weave: 51.5 < 1243757405 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 2_3weave (>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>[(-)*20[+]](-)*4>[(+)*20[-]](+)*4>(+)*4)*10 < 1243757406 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) skipping will overstep the tripwires in defend < 1243757418 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_2_3weave: 71.3 < 1243757427 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) since you don't skip them all at the start, hrm... maybe 2 is wrong < 1243757428 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1243757434 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have looked at what you lost points to < 1243757435 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will foil any setup that relies on multiple tripwires < 1243757435 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243757443 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and half the time it's going to be able to win it will foil a 1-tripwire setup < 1243757445 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly, unless they are spaced right < 1243757454 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/3 of the time it'll foil a tripwire < 1243757455 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243757460 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!.!!.!!. < 1243757465 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun huh? < 1243757468 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb drivin' < 1243757477 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it is interesting < 1243757484 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also note how fast your submissions were < 1243757488 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comparatively < 1243757488 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243757489 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: fiddle with everything else now that I know there's no HASH BASED RANDOMNESS. < 1243757497 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha no kidding < 1243757505 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i felt bad for fiddling after i learned that < 1243757513 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had thought i was doing something like adjusting the timing < 1243757514 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1243757528 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust weirdo >((+>)*10(+<)*10)*128 < 1243757539 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way gregor < 1243757543 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1243757544 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one side effect of doing the scoring this way < 1243757549 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for GregorR-L_weirdo: 0.0 < 1243757551 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that you only have to win 51% to get points vs a program < 1243757558 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha it never wins < 1243757562 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-8 < 1243757564 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to go >> then < < 1243757564 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you can effectively skip a large part of the tape for free < 1243757566 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and repeat < 1243757568 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imho < 1243757574 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder < 1243757585 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you'd get more points for getting more wins vs losses against a specific program < 1243757593 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like 21/21 wins against a prog would help more than 11/21 < 1243757594 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1243757596 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Mmmm, this is true ... < 1243757602 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: he hasn't done something like that yet < 1243757607 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah k < 1243757609 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it planned? < 1243757611 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just arbitrarily decides based on the results if it's a win or a loss or a tie < 1243757617 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i was talking about earlier < 1243757622 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Planned, but it's a PITA :) < 1243757625 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1243757653 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the >> < >> < >> < thing < 1243757657 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds promising < 1243757665 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've considered that multiple times < 1243757668 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's just a great way to run off the tape < 1243757669 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay really going now < 1243757687 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about > decrement > decrement << > decrement > decrement <<... < 1243757690 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really really really < 1243757691 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243757698 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" < 1243757728 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oddly (>)*18(>(-)*20[-[+]])*15 < 1243757744 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for myndzi_oddly: 4.3 < 1243757747 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243757760 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust AHHHMOTHERLAND (>)*1000 < 1243757770 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oddly (>(-)*19>(+)*19)*9(>(-)*20[-[+]])*15 < 1243757770 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for GregorR-L_AHHHMOTHERLAND: 0.0 < 1243757776 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1243757783 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for myndzi_oddly: 48.2 < 1243757800 0 :whtspc!n=chatzill@c115216.upc-c.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1243757806 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oddly (>(-)*19>(+)*19)*3(>)*12(>(-)*20[-[+]])*15 < 1243757819 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for myndzi_oddly: 35.0 < 1243757832 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oddly (>(-)*19>(+)*19)*5(>(-)*20[-[+]])*15 < 1243757849 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for myndzi_oddly: 54.7 < 1243757854 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oddly (>(-)*19>(+)*19)*6(>(-)*20[-[+]])*15 < 1243757870 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for myndzi_oddly: 57.1 < 1243757878 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crap < 1243757893 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oddly (>(-)*19>(+)*19)*4(>(-)*20[-[+]])*30 < 1243757915 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for myndzi_oddly: 60.4 < 1243757925 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust oddly (>(-)*19>(+)*19)*3(>(-)*20[-[+]])*30 < 1243757949 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for myndzi_oddly: 44.5 < 1243758003 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust charge [>]>([-].[+].[-]..[-].[+])*100 < 1243758005 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1243758006 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new king < 1243758034 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Asztal_charge: 9.7 < 1243758088 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" < 1243758131 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust (+*4[>[-]>[+]<<-]>[-][-[+]])*30 < 1243758131 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: !bfjoust < 1243758140 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (+*4[>[-]>[+]<<-]>[-][-[+]])*30 < 1243758160 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test ((+)*4[>[-]>[+]<<-]>[-][-[+]])*30 < 1243758184 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for KingOfKarlsruhe_test: 8.5 < 1243758184 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for KingOfKarlsruhe_test: 8.5 < 1243758186 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust charge [>](>([-].[+].[-]..[-].[+]))*21 < 1243758198 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Asztal_charge: 0.0 < 1243758198 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1243758228 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test ((+)*4[>[-]>[+]<<-]>[-][-[+]]>)*30 < 1243758254 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for KingOfKarlsruhe_test: 12.5 < 1243758278 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust charge [>](([+].[-].[+]..[-].[-])>)*21 < 1243758304 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Asztal_charge: 0.0 < 1243758305 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to kill the flag while most programs are still setting up the first defence cell < 1243758337 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... [>] < 1243758352 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is wrong :) < 1243758401 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way to actually do that, is there? < 1243758449 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops i did something silly < 1243758458 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i'd do a rear attack < 1243758464 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try for 51% wins < 1243758469 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust charge (>[+])*50 < 1243758473 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course, tapelength 20 doesn't mean flag @ 20, tapelength 30 < 1243758474 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so .. < 1243758479 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'oh < 1243758482 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Asztal_charge: 19.0 < 1243758486 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that goes off the end every time, surely < 1243758495 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust test (((+)*4[>[-]>[+]<<-])*19>(+)*19[-[+]]>)*30 < 1243758514 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for KingOfKarlsruhe_test: 8.5 < 1243758537 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust charge (>[+].>[-].)*50 < 1243758551 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Asztal_charge: 28.5 < 1243758653 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it that every time I make a (much requested) change to the hill, everybody immediately tries to break it? X-P < 1243758664 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's breaking what? < 1243758694 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "take advantage" is more accurate. < 1243758701 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the nature of the game < 1243758717 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i don't do it someone else will :> < 1243758718 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should be taking advantage of the other code, not the scoring mechanism :P < 1243758725 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, that < 1243758727 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust charge >->+>->+>+>->+>+(>[+].>[-].)*50 < 1243758729 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wanted to see if it would work < 1243758734 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was mixed up in my head < 1243758741 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least the scoring mechanism is basically fair now. < 1243758742 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Asztal_charge: 66.2 < 1243758746 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, nonrandom. < 1243758768 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :) < 1243758776 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i appreciate your patience with our griping and your effort too < 1243758776 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust reverse_charge (<)*1000 < 1243758786 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for GregorR-L_reverse_charge: 0.0 < 1243758892 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0 < 1243758894 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o < 1243758903 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u.u < 1243758982 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i own the hill again :> < 1243759200 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust abc ++++>[<(+>)*20(-<)*20>] < 1243759219 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for KingOfKarlsruhe_abc: 13.4 < 1243759465 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get a 0 on the hill now? do you need an equal number of wins and losses? < 1243759477 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably < 1243759573 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust abc2 (>>[-])*10 < 1243759600 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for KingOfKarlsruhe_abc2: 19.7 < 1243759629 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh i made keke2 a little better and might have done more, but primarily it just did better against my own warriors :P < 1243759643 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust abc3 (>>[-])*10(<<[+])*10 < 1243759645 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I implemented the more-points-for-more-wins mechanism. < 1243759654 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oh < 1243759660 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm about to lose the lead :) < 1243759661 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I effed up the range of scores somehow :P < 1243759662 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for KingOfKarlsruhe_abc3: 8.2 < 1243759673 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, your score is now OVER FOUR THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAND < 1243759678 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243759683 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :report not updated < 1243759727 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor i just wanted you to know that i love you. in a totally not-gay way, of course. < 1243759822 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm certainly not updating it in EgoBot until it works X-P < 1243759829 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, all the scores are much lower now. < 1243759830 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right < 1243759833 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I guess is unsurprising. < 1243759839 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Highest score is 50.94 < 1243759846 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1243759851 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A score of 100 would mean that you won /every/ round, in /every/ configuration. < 1243759853 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is absurd. < 1243759853 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, < 1243759862 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so it's based on percentage? < 1243759867 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1243759875 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1243759884 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i still winnning? :D < 1243759885 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust loop [+][(>>[-])*10(<<[+])*10-] < 1243759915 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for KingOfKarlsruhe_loop: 12.3 < 1243759920 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust juggernaut +(>(-)*128.(-.)*512>(+)*128.(++.)*512)*15 < 1243759934 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_juggernaut: 16.0 < 1243759961 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust loop [+][(>>[-])*10(<<[-])*10-] < 1243759991 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for KingOfKarlsruhe_loop: 12.3 < 1243759993 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+(>(-)*128.-.--.---)*29 < 1243760008 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1243760017 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust juggernaut +(>(-)*128.-.--.---)*29 < 1243760029 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_juggernaut: 21.4 < 1243760042 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust juggernaut +>>>>>>>>(>(-)*128.-.--.---)*21 < 1243760053 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_juggernaut: 20.5 < 1243760064 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust juggernaut +>--->--->>>>>>(>(-)*128.-.--.---)*21 < 1243760074 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_juggernaut: 21.3 < 1243760078 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust waiter ((++-)*10000-(--+)*10000)*2(+)*10000(-)*10000(+-)*10000(-+)*10000 < 1243760110 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw don't make me add all the blink defenses back in < 1243760111 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243760112 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_waiter: 33.3 < 1243760121 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lazy >(+)*5>(-)*5>(+)*5>(-)*5>(-)*5>(+)*5>(+)*5>(-)*5(>(+.)*129)*21[-]((-)*2048(+)*2048.)*2 < 1243760131 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think juggernaut's gonna work < 1243760133 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_lazy: 20.4 < 1243760137 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess it doesn't matter, ALL my warriors beat waiter < 1243760137 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1243760138 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1243760141 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lazy >+>->++>-->--->+++>+>->((-.)*128>)*21 < 1243760153 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_lazy: 11.9 < 1243760164 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stall (+)*100000 < 1243760203 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, I just killed the cache. < 1243760206 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While you were doing that :P < 1243760209 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't pay attention :P < 1243760209 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1243760210 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1243760211 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mein cache < 1243760217 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to see the new results < 1243760218 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have to kill both, 'cuz that'll be effy. < 1243760218 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I can wait < 1243760222 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION crosses fingers < 1243760263 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust reverse_charge (<)*1000 < 1243760270 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now you'll have to wait again. < 1243760300 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to make a program that does worse than < < 1243760308 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by causing a turn 0 syntax error? < 1243760320 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1243760321 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1243760322 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243760330 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it detects some syntax errors. < 1243760340 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that gives FULL points to the opponent. < 1243760356 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1243760363 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if the syntax error is encountered? < 1243760366 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :points for invalid code wasn't so cool < 1243760394 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to read my increasingly-horrifying code to get all the possibilities :P < 1243760405 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_stall: 14.3 < 1243760405 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for GregorR-L_reverse_charge: 0.0 < 1243760420 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stall (+-)*100000 < 1243760427 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, that's a very different hill now < 1243760435 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1243760437 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_stall: 6.5 < 1243760437 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what changed this time? < 1243760445 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1243760447 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1243760449 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what it does < 1243760453 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw 3pass came down < 1243760455 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still i like < 1243760458 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The points are now floating-point :P < 1243760462 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :score deflation < 1243760468 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :win% < 1243760492 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting that defend7 does better than 9 now < 1243760497 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor 2/3 weave < 1243760497 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T_T < 1243760527 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stall ((+)*1001-)*100 < 1243760561 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_stall: 14.3 < 1243760572 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does a +, - or 0 indicate on the grid now? < 1243760586 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: It's a 0 iff every configuration ties. < 1243760616 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it's 10 +s, 10 -s and a tie < 1243760628 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm sorry, you're right. < 1243760628 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust loop (+-)*10000(+)*50[(>>[-])*10(<<[-])*10-] < 1243760634 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243760636 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More accurately, the number of wins equals the number of losses. < 1243760637 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for KingOfKarlsruhe_loop: 5.6 < 1243760640 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wins - losses = 0 < 1243760656 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just indicating more wins than losses or vice versa < 1243760660 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, < 1243760660 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could there be a degree of gradation to it? < 1243760663 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :net gain or loss < 1243760676 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243760687 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: YOU PEOPLE ARE NEVER HAPPY < 1243760692 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust charge >->+>->+>+>->+>+(>[+].>[-].)*11 < 1243760692 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243760698 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could there < 1243760700 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not DO IT NOW < 1243760700 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Asztal_charge: 18.7 < 1243760701 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUGH < 1243760707 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243760739 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bouncing permutations of rushpolarity off egobot < 1243760761 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-8 < 1243760771 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int4erestingly < 1243760775 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3 weave now has positive points but low score < 1243760779 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda don't want to see rushpolarity go :P < 1243760787 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oops < 1243760789 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reset the age huh? < 1243760798 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no age < 1243760802 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there is < 1243760803 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look in the folder < 1243760807 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort by date modified < 1243760807 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243760820 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't quite count ;p < 1243760830 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody's looking there! hehe < 1243760841 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1243760854 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is somebody running them via query? < 1243760861 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243760862 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1243760866 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want me to stop for a mom? < 1243760872 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that explains why report.txt keeps disappearing :P < 1243760881 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1243760882 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I said < 1243760885 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying permutations of rushpolarity < 1243760892 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, here's another one of those complaints: why clear it before you're ready to write to it? :P < 1243761043 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: ../report ../egojoust ../cache *.bfjoust > report.txt < 1243761097 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mk, i guess that's just what happens eh < 1243761177 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243761185 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so nice to see improvements come gradually < 1243761189 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than in bumps and jerks < 1243761354 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'm done hacking at EgoBot for the moment. < 1243761542 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, after searching the local space I've determined this is better < 1243761544 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust rushpolarity >((+)*20>(-)*19>(-)*19>(+)*19)*2>([(+)*19[-]](+)*21>[(-)*19[+]](-)*21>)*11 < 1243761552 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_rushpolarity: 53.5 < 1243761612 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time on #esoteric, Patashu tweaks 2/3 weave < 1243761650 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ON THE NEXT EPISODE OF DRAGON BALL Z... < 1243761700 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess when mine loses, it *really* loses :( < 1243761707 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1243761709 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the weird thing now < 1243761714 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"YES -> thor-ainor.it <- THIS IS *DELICIOUS*!" < 1243761731 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get lots of shallow losses or a few real bad ones < 1243761735 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway bbl < 1243763268 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol did we end up with practically the same program? < 1243763598 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oshi < 1243763598 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 69.88 12.60 myndzi_slowrush.bfjoust < 1243763600 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1243763625 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one loss and one tie < 1243765646 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet. < 1243765698 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does the scoring work now? < 1243765706 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should update the file ... < 1243765715 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you should ;-) < 1243766468 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/SCORES < 1243766532 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's X < 1243766561 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops :P < 1243766567 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1243766579 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was supposed to be M. < 1243766683 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@ti0056a380-0643.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243766863 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, totally confused by that? :) < 1243766931 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, makes sense < 1243767038 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I just momentarily confused myself with the 0-100 thing. < 1243767054 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I remembered that since you can't win against something which itself won against everything, you can never gain the >1 worth. < 1243768562 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243769493 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rushpolarity lost a whole bunch? < 1243769499 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it beating slowrush before and now losing to it? < 1243769853 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Farewell" < 1243770637 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimizing 2/3 weave < 1243770689 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm? < 1243770689 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243770694 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's getting 0 for everything o.O < 1243770703 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 2_3weave (>(+)*23>(-)*24)*2>>>>(>[(-)*20[+]](-)*5>[(+)*21[-]](+)*5>(+)*5) < 1243770708 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_2_3weave: 0.0 < 1243770713 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 2_3weave (>(+)*23>(-)*24)*2(>[(-)*20[+]](-)*5>[(+)*21[-]](+)*5>(+)*5) < 1243770719 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_2_3weave: 0.0 < 1243770722 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 2_3weave (>(+)*23>(-)*24)*2>>>>(>[(-)*20[+]](-)*5>[(+)*21[-]](+)*5>(+)*5) < 1243770727 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_2_3weave: 0.0 < 1243770755 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 2_3weave (>(+)*20>(-)*20)*4(>[(-)*20[+]](-)*10>[(+)*20[-]](+)*10>(+)*10)*10 < 1243770762 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_2_3weave: 14.9 < 1243770767 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hang on < 1243770783 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH I know why < 1243770787 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cut the *10 off :b < 1243770793 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :durrrr < 1243770796 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interp's okay < 1243770808 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARSE FAILURE :P < 1243770829 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy and paste EPIC FAIL < 1243770834 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brought to you by epicfailblog dot com < 1243770844 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to continue mutatin' < 1243770928 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be hovering at 20 now < 1243771015 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best I can manage atm: < 1243771015 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust 2_3weave (>(+)*23>(-)*24)*2>>>>(>[(-)*20[+]](-)*6>[(+)*21[-]](+)*6>(+)*6)*10 < 1243771022 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_2_3weave: 20.1 < 1243771104 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wasn't it doing better before? :P < 1243771119 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you changed it to return how many times it won < 1243771126 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what 2/3 weave does < 1243771128 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is get lots of shallow wins < 1243771139 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to programs which get deep wins against a few programs they counter < 1243771163 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it looks good on the grid but has a shitty score < 1243771177 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny huh < 1243771360 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1243771375 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, looks very good :P < 1243771384 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1 points X-D < 1243771409 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay mm < 1243771411 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking now < 1243771424 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I want to use two 'repeats' for attacking; one that leaves decoys after it moves but later one that doesn't < 1243771433 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if the tape's that long it's probably long passed its opponent < 1243771436 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll make it attack faster < 1243771554 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd. it doesn't appear to help at all (for rushpolarity) < 1243771671 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, rushpolarity is now at score 41.45 points 4.76, 2/3weave is now at score 19.16 points 2.67 < 1243771722 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stall is a worse version of waiter so I might kill it < 1243771736 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stall < < 1243771752 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_stall: 0.0 < 1243771828 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust the_greatest_program_ever!!! +[>[-[+]]---] < 1243771843 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_the_greatest_program_ever___: 15.2 < 1243772127 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf joust codegolfing < 1243772233 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend6 is by far the oldest program (since last revision) on the hill < 1243772267 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust parisian_monastery (>->+)*5[>[-[+]]+] < 1243772276 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for GregorR-L_parisian_monastery: 28.2 < 1243772279 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-12.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1243772285 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be that I just plain suck at BF Joust :P < 1243772296 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nobody'll play FYB, so what else am I to do? X-P < 1243772301 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8th on the hill yeah you're terribad < 1243772302 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1243772304 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYB... < 1243772335 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/fyb/README < 1243772348 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what it is < 1243772348 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243772366 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I need to enclose my posts in XML tags indicating the tone to be read in? < 1243772373 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1243772398 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess logicex-2 has a four-year streak as king of the hill. < 1243772401 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty sweet :P < 1243772439 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust parisian_monastery (>->+)*5[>[(-)*5[+]]+] < 1243772446 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for GregorR-L_parisian_monastery: 30.8 < 1243772455 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh la la < 1243772456 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about whether you want lots of little decoys or fewer but bigger ones < 1243772473 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm thinking more about actually sinking the enemy flag :P < 1243772480 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is perhaps not the real goal. < 1243772493 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 2. do it before they do it to you < 1243772546 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there only seem to be so many variations on the basic program though < 1243772572 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust parisian_monastery (>->+)*5[(>)*2[(>)*2[+]]+(>)*2[+]]-] < 1243772578 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for GregorR-L_parisian_monastery: 0.0 < 1243772584 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeaaaaaaaaaaah go me :P < 1243772594 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dangling ] < 1243772596 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1243772608 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we get multithreading in bf joust? < 1243772637 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust parisian_monastery (>->+)*5[(>)*2[(-)*5[+]]+(>)*2[(-)*5[+]]-] < 1243772644 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plx < 1243772645 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for GregorR-L_parisian_monastery: 0.0 < 1243772645 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: No, use FYB :P < 1243772652 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243772662 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>->+)*5[(>)*2[(>)*2[+]]+[(>)*2[+]]-] < 1243772815 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you imagine the bombs in FYB looking like? this is an important question < 1243772846 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh deeewiant's adding a new program < 1243772851 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot, monorail owns < 1243772853 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1243772871 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1243772875 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all slight tweaks on the < 1243772878 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. set decoys < 1243772897 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. use a loop like [(-)*n[+]] < 1243772906 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. optionally set decoys while attacking < 1243772906 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theme < 1243772933 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is that what slowrush's success is based on? :-P < 1243772942 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not all < 1243772943 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, I tried it pretty much by accident < 1243772969 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm haha < 1243772972 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowrush looks more or less like rushpolarity now < 1243773029 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Most programs, since FYB has threads, employ multiple styles. My favorite style was logicex, or Logic Extermination, which looked for all logic in the program (loops, etc) and set bombs there, in the hopes that the logic would increase the chances of those spots being hit. < 1243773088 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simpler programs just looked for the enemy program counter and set a bomb in hopes that it would go there again, or focused more on defending ones one code than attack. < 1243773126 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1243773131 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYB cell arithmatic is mod 17? < 1243773148 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah >:) < 1243773158 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243773160 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only powers of 2 are holy cretin < 1243773160 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1243773165 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these go to 17 < 1243773165 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1243773178 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason for 17 was solely that that's how many commands I had :P < 1243773185 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. and , are both nops already < 1243773188 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a dedicated nop? < 1243773225 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had some rationale maybe, or maybe it was just to make 17 instead of 16 to bother you. < 1243773240 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in case you decided to make . output values to your opponent later < 1243773241 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:) < 1243773242 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1243773252 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you turn one half of a loop into a bomb in FYB < 1243773257 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does the other half send its pointer? < 1243773262 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same place or is it ineffectual? < 1243773270 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, monorail is #2, I'm happy with that < 1243773275 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's no match, it's just like a nop. < 1243773287 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why you have to place a bomb just /after/ the loop :P < 1243773291 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243773304 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a pointer in a :; loop can escape its loop if you change one half of it < 1243773307 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also the third-smallest program on the hill (unexpanded) :-P < 1243773365 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Sure < 1243773399 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 46.33 is pretty darn good in the new scoring system. < 1243773412 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :53.96 is better :-P < 1243773432 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess I have the best score/size ratio < 1243773432 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why yes, yes it is :P < 1243773439 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :score/size haha < 1243773450 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the size that matters, it's what you do with it. < 1243773462 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence score/size ratio ;-P < 1243773724 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1243774015 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :op-code idea for FYB: swap program buffers but not code buffers :P < 1243774017 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the anti defect < 1243774378 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243775128 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-169.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1243775275 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1243776296 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3 weave is now at 18.24, rushpolarity was at 36.76 now is 42.52 < 1243776296 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee < 1243776911 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, you dropped monorail < 1243777020 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o oh nooo < 1243777092 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fun fact < 1243777100 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting even one - or + on every cell you pass over vastly improves your score < 1243777110 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it forces any loop to be entered at the very least once < 1243777117 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which takes them more cycles then it takes you < 1243777333 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust juggernaut >+>+>->->+>+>->-(>(-)*128.-.+)*29 < 1243777339 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Patashu_juggernaut: 18.6 < 1243777405 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-31-231.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1243778044 0 :selador!n=chatzill@ip-213-49-125-95.dsl.scarlet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1243779723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum... < 1243779793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[->-<] would be p[1] = p[1] - p[0]; right? For some reason this ends up as p[1] = 255 * p[0] + p[1] ... That can't be right... < 1243779830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it? < 1243779910 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is p[0] a negative number? < 1243779930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, it is an unsigned char. < 1243779947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BF - is represented as += 255 < 1243779980 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's mod 256 arithmetic < 1243779985 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't those two expressions equal? < 1243779989 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pseudocode ones < 1243779999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, that is what I'm trying to figure out < 1243780010 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding 255 is like taking away 1 < 1243780012 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's mod 256 < 1243780013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243780026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm totally with you that far < 1243780052 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you using a bf optimizer? < 1243780062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, I'm developing one < 1243780065 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah ;) < 1243780084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, but I'm not sure x - y = x + 255y (mod 256) < 1243780093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what the code above seems to indicate < 1243780097 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay let's pretend that every time you hit 256 < 1243780099 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you go back to 0 right? < 1243780102 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you add 256 that's like adding 0 < 1243780104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, yes I know < 1243780112 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding 257 must be like adding 1 < 1243780116 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so...adding 255 is like subtracting 1 < 1243780118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is that it turned into multiplication there < 1243780121 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding x*255 is like subtracting x < 1243780124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243780135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, sure about that? < 1243780137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243780142 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no reason to doubt it < 1243780157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, I suck at this sort of math :/ < 1243780245 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything else? < 1243780274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1243780280 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you have any other questions < 1243780300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not right now at least < 1243780307 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p[1] = p[1] + 255*p[0] is equivalent to p[1] = p[1] - 1*p[0] in mod 256 arithmetic < 1243780317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it seems to be correct < 1243780331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem very logical to me :/ < 1243780345 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let's take p[1] = p[1] - 1*p[0] < 1243780356 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let's imagine that for every 1 in p[0] we also add 256 < 1243780362 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a nop right? since it's mod 256 arithmetic anyway < 1243780377 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we turn it into p[1] = p[1] - 1*p[0] + 256*p[0] < 1243780387 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or p[1] = p[1] + 255*p[0] < 1243780398 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you can go one way you can go the other way < 1243780400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243780419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok seems to make sense. Of a kind < 1243780425 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you agree that adding or subtracting 256 any integer amount of times is going to be a nop? < 1243780431 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can implicitly do it in any expression anywhere in your code < 1243780437 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all it does is change the way it looks < 1243780438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243780501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. So y = x*256 is same as y = x in mod 256 < 1243780541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, is that so? < 1243780553 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1243780559 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but y = x*256 is the same as y = x*0 < 1243780565 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and y = x*257 is the same as y = x*1 < 1243780565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1243780570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right :) < 1243780573 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and y = x*258 is the same as y = x*2... < 1243780580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1243780596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes complete sense now :) < 1243780625 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you add an extra k 256s for every 1 you find in x you do nothing < 1243780627 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again and again < 1243780732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what would [+>+<] end up as... p[1] += 256-p[0] right? (of course followed by setting p[0] to 0 afterwards) < 1243780795 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1243780815 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you add 1 to p[1] (256-p[0]) times < 1243780821 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p[1] += 256-p[0] < 1243780822 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's correct < 1243780837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what his compiler turns that out as now < 1243780950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that turns into p[1] = 255 + p[1] - p[0] though < 1243780955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which looks very odd < 1243780970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one surely can't be right < 1243780973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, ^ < 1243780993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait yes < 1243780995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1243780999 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang on < 1243781010 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if p0 = 255 it executes once < 1243781011 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1243781018 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would add 1 to p1 < 1243781025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it is off by one indeed < 1243781050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p[1] = 255 + p[1] - p[0] should be p[1] = 256 + p[1] - p[0] ... < 1243781054 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243781062 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is equiv. to what you said it ought to be < 1243781090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, I wonder how C will handle that since p is unsigned char* ... < 1243781141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. it will promote to p[1] and p[0] short since 256 isn't in the range of unsigned char < 1243781142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1243781172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh... then *truncate* it back to unsigned char when assigning? < 1243781174 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple < 1243781176 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove the 256 < 1243781178 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's a nop anyway < 1243781178 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1243781189 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now it's p[1] -= p[0] < 1243781204 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we know it's right because we've deduced it logically earlier, that any addition or subtraction of 256 is a nop < 1243781219 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it doesn't immediately click < 1243781224 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since this is all mod 256. < 1243781227 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1243781276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, well... that is a bit messy, since I don't have -= anywhere in the compiler. I work with all positive values due to implementation language issues (that is: the compiler is coded in erlang, which only has bignums, so all calculations are done mod 256 manually, working with negative integers make it a bit more complex) < 1243781289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243781321 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+= -p[0] ? < 1243781322 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1243781340 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reminded of interp.tcl in PEBBLE. < 1243781342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, that could actually be done! since the polynomial code does handle negative coefficients < 1243781349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm? < 1243781365 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :polynomial code? < 1243781366 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manual modular arithmetic all over the place. < 1243781370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, however it would be translated to += 255*p[0] in fact :) < 1243781377 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why 255 specifically? < 1243781385 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ur polynomial is wrong.... < 1243781393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, indeed it is wrong < 1243781402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather I am < 1243781410 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proc Modvar {var} {variable memory;variable memmap;set memory($memmap($var)) [expr {$memory($memmap($var))%256}]} < 1243781411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will end up as -1 there < 1243781416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seem familiar? < 1243781422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1243781452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I actually do it lazy... After all passes that can merge nodes I have a cleanup pass which goes through and mod 256s all relevant values < 1243781471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as well as other cleanup) < 1243781492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I admit is rather messy design < 1243781521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the one easiest to implement when I realised "oops, this should have been "rem 256" all over the place. < 1243781533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new code does the rem 256 though < 1243781537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostlu < 1243781538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly* < 1243781787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : p[1] = p[1] + 255*p[0] is equivalent to p[1] = p[1] - 1*p[0] in mod 256 arithmetic < 1243781805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that mean += -p[0] ? is same as += 255*p[0] ? < 1243781806 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because between the first and second you always add an integer number of 256s < 1243781818 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1243781818 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1243781829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, so that is the answer to why 255 specifically? < 1243781951 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243781952 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243781953 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1243782525 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1243783569 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Patashu/SteampunkX - MSN = Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM = Patashu0 , YIM = Patashu2 , Googletalk = Patashu0@gmail.com ." < 1243785307 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1243787427 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243787614 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1243787771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1442391 <-- funny mess up of mandelbrot.b < 1243787961 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-133.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1243788423 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Font: Small button doesn't seem to be working :( < 1243788450 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i presume i'm seeing it even more messed up than it has to be < 1243788520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh there was a badly formatted menu of fonts in the upper right corner, and _those_ work < 1243788584 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, it's a pwetty buttewfwy! < 1243789143 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Patashu, but I'm not sure x - y = x + 255y (mod 256) < 1243789146 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243789147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it is < 1243789168 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo arithmetic works across addition, subtraction and multiplication < 1243789245 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :division and powers are more subtle < 1243789253 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x - y = x - y + 256y = x + 255y (mod 256) < 1243789580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait. it will promote to p[1] and p[0] short since 256 isn't in the range of unsigned char < 1243789604 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely thought C converted all chars before doing arithmetic anyway < 1243789651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait was this about function arguments... < 1243789708 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:47:56 Patashu, well... that is a bit messy, since I don't have -= anywhere in the compiler. I work with all positive values due to implementation language issues (that is: the compiler is coded in erlang, which only has bignums, so all calculations are done mod 256 manually, working with negative integers make it a bit more complex) < 1243789742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does erlang give negative remainders if you do remainder(negative, positive)? < 1243789762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean negative rem positive? < 1243789766 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243789787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes it does < 1243789791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243789799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why? < 1243789804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes then keeping things positive may simplify things < 1243789826 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: haskell has both rem and mod, where mod always gives positive for positive divisor < 1243789850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you don't need to worry about negative things < 1243789869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, iirc the semantics for rem is "whatever the compiler that compiled the VM used". So for Erlang compiled with GCC that means C99 semantics. < 1243789869 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243789878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is more precise there < 1243789888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rahter... for BEAM compiled with GCC. < 1243789898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEAM is the Erlang VM < 1243789932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the bit of Erlang written in C, rather than in Erlang) < 1243789963 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-31-231.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1243790120 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm redesigning expression class. it should canonicalize "(Expr[3] + 4) - Expr[3]" into 4 on-the-fly. :p < 1243790178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, well I have polynomials working mostly. That is a lot simpler to implement. Just I'm fixing bugs in various other passes and such that were uncovered by adding polynomials... < 1243790194 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1243790216 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there were multiset in python... :S < 1243790223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiset? < 1243790231 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, what i needed was "frozen" multiset. < 1243790240 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: set with duplicate elements. for example, {1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3}. < 1243790260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I do is basically "convert the 50 first loops we can convert to polynomials. Do a binary search from that. Once found which exact convert caused issues try to figure out why. < 1243790262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1243790286 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty hard. < 1243790291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, oh? How comes? I use sets in erlang because I only want one of each. Otherwise I would use some other data structure < 1243790311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, not really. Since I dump original loop and matching polynomial to stdout < 1243790319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some other in the middle data < 1243790322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can diff the files < 1243790331 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, like, a list? < 1243790339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it is another pass. Where I can then do a binary search on that. < 1243790340 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: but it's unordered. < 1243790352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort the list! < 1243790353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1243790358 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! < 1243790367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway iirc erlang has some duplicate_set thingy < 1243790369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't used it < 1243790373 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/4355 < 1243790374 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go :p < 1243790378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, couldn't you implement it for python? < 1243790409 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1243790411 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a real module for it < 1243790420 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a mutable multiset is easy to implement in python, since dict already provides sufficient methods. but what if it has to be immutable? < 1243790421 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1243790421 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bisect < 1243790435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, copy it every time? < 1243790445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of making a change to it < 1243790458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: a multiset is merely a dictionary with integer values... < 1243790471 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in python, "immutable" also conveys the meaning of "hashable". < 1243790483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, you can't hash other objects? < 1243790485 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffs < 1243790489 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but hashable dict can be hard to make. < 1243790497 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :store it as a tuple < 1243790567 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just have the add method maintain sorted order < 1243790581 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's exactly my current method: def __hash__(self): return hash(tuple(self.items())). but i'm not sure it's dependent to implementation. < 1243790598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? < 1243790633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, why do you need it hashable btw? Going to store it in a dict? < 1243790639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1243790642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the key I mean < 1243790642 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: convert the dictionary into hashable list of items; but it depends on the order of items, and i'm not sure it's unique. < 1243790653 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it actually serves as multiset! < 1243790680 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't use a dict, use a tuple for storage < 1243790680 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example (a + a + a) == (a * 3), and i store them as same internal format: {a: 3}. < 1243790683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally don't have this problem in Erlang. I can use lists as keys of dicts. I do that when simplifying polynomials < 1243790698 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is faster anyway, as you don't have to make a new tuple for every hash < 1243790742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Term = Coefficient * Variables Variables = List of 2-tuples: {Offset,Exponent} < 1243790748 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: after some thought, i agree to you. it could be simpler using sorted list. < 1243790772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to merge 2*x + 4*x I use a dict with the list of variables as the key < 1243790777 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but i'm also not sure that tuple manipulation costs less than dict.) < 1243790782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list is sorted before < 1243790801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since I just merged 2*x*x into 2*x^2 and similar before) < 1243790836 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean manipulation < 1243790844 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hash(tuple(self.items())) < 1243790862 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is going to make a new list, and then a new tuple out of it < 1243790879 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time you want a hash < 1243790972 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: afaik in python __hash__ is called only once per object, but that could be a problem when copying objects. < 1243791066 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: anyway i'm going to remove AdjustMemory ("add" in your code) in favor of SetMemory ("set" in your code). :p < 1243791081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, how will you handle ,++ or such < 1243791089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or when you don't know the value before at all < 1243791104 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SetMemory[{4}, {4}+2] for example. < 1243791115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like my polynomials then < 1243791119 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(instead of AdjustMemory[{4}, 2]) < 1243791122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p[4]=1*p[4] + 1*p[0]; < 1243791127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have things like that < 1243791129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1243791133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason THAT one breaks... < 1243791151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is hard to figure out < 1243791175 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1243791250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it seems to be related to the whole converted loop being: < 1243791254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [{bfn,add,0,255,undefined,undefined}, < 1243791254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : {bfn,set,2,0,undefined,undefined}, < 1243791254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : {bfn,add,4,1,undefined,undefined}], < 1243791257 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: ah, i figured out why i didn't use sorted list. in python 3 cmp doesn't work on different types. < 1243791281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where that is "{bfn,Opcode,Offset,Value,StuffUsedForLoops,MoreStuffUsedForLoops}" < 1243791302 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's undefined for? just reserved? < 1243791329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, default value in struct definition for bfn (which stands for bf node) < 1243791339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second undefined contains the "body" of loops and ifs and such < 1243791350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third is various metadata for loops and polynomials < 1243791357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few other instructions < 1243791370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :contains stuff like what cells are modified by loops and so on < 1243791420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, and the "bfn" there is just due to using a record. Internally in erlang it ends up as a tagged tuple < 1243791490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1442460 <-- I fail to see anything wrong there hm < 1243791497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to dump it just after that pass < 1243791500 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph DMM leaves for vacation and the next day the site is broken in several ways... < 1243791528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, do you think it is intentional? I suspect it is some kind of practical joke... < 1243791539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I noticed it too < 1243791542 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't think of that < 1243791561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not "practical joke". wrong word < 1243791571 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impractical, perhaps < 1243791581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he prepared it this way < 1243791601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could live with the font mess up.... but NOT with the broken image link < 1243791606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1243791621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a missing part of the navigation bar < 1243791636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243791721 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what _was_ 2317 again? it worked yesterday but i've forgotten exactly what it was < 1243791791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ... wait ... < 1243791806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION turned on the transcript < 1243791816 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have definitely _not_ seen that before < 1243791828 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1243791851 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:34 < lifthrasiir> comex: ah, i figured out why i didn't use sorted list. in python 3 cmp doesn't work on different types. < 1243791855 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1243791862 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could i simply have forgotten to visit yesterday? no, because i _did_ read Comments on a Postcard. < 1243791874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: something is definitely fishy < 1243791880 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: yes. also __cmp__ is gone. < 1243791890 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cmp() is gone < 1243791900 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why? < 1243791907 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why. curious. :( < 1243791953 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway sorting [1, (2,), [3]] etc will fail in python 3. that's why i choose not to use sorted list. < 1243791971 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there was a different comic there yesterday, i think, although i don't remember what it was. i suppose the update _could_ have failed horribly to overwrite it < 1243791982 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in order to < 1243791990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wasn't it the one two back < 1243792001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also yeah, this must be intentional... < 1243792009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting way to irritate users < 1243792012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you are right, look at the date < 1243792021 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it was deprecated in favor of writing 6 boilerplate methods < 1243792042 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 2318 is missing the date < 1243792048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while 2317 has today's < 1243792308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I minimised the broken diff < 1243792329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ok. This MUST be intentional... < 1243792353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't believe it would be this messed up otherwise < 1243792561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1243792562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it < 1243792678 0 :selador!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042513]" < 1243792804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah the forum reminded me there was another glitch: "Intriguingly, the previous poll isn't showing when you answer the current one" < 1243792822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was there yesterday too < 1243792864 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this appears to be approaching astronomical improbability :D < 1243792907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, DMM actually noticed that before he left < 1243793077 0 :davinci!i=HydraIRC@bhe201062170068.res-com.wayinternet.com.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1243793086 0 :davinci!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1243793097 0 :davinci!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ol < 1243793161 0 :davinci!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1243793875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh? < 1243793881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what did he say about that < 1243793900 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it was a simple typo < 1243793906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243793907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was the poll error) < 1243795256 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-28.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1243795325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1243795352 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243795749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:26 pikhq: ehird: http://imgur.com/B8SqH.png < 1243795749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:26 pikhq: Had to go cook. < 1243795751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sez wut < 1243795809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:05 zzo38: Hay! You told me I didn't need a e-mail address to register < 1243795809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:05 zzo38: But now it says I do < 1243795811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:06 zzo38: It also says I need to register and IDENTIFY to post message on ##C channel. < 1243795813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:06 zzo38: But IDENTIFY is not a valid command and I can < 1243795815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:06 zzo38: 't register without password/email but I don't want either of those things < 1243795817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol— tough. also IDENTIFY is a nickserv command like register. < 1243795819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:07 coppro: /join #freenode ← he uses telnet to irc < 1243796091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "DuPont Displays Surpasses Million Hour Milestone for Lifetime of New OLED Material" >100 years < 1243796115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I wonder how they tested that... < 1243796121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:36 GregorR-L: I'm now uſing all lengþs. ← imaginary patents. < 1243796128 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what the hell is that image? < 1243796146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: pikhq's english shorthand system. < 1243796160 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result of being bored in high school. < 1243796164 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at first glance it looked like japanese :| < 1243796169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what does it say? < 1243796182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dogs." < 1243796187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243796206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhoo since GregorR has all but obsoleted my interp by adding all legngths I won't bother working on it :P < 1243796209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lengths < 1243796220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how does it work? < 1243796221 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And managed not to include all of my symbols, courtesy of diactrics. :p < 1243796227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about POLARITY? < 1243796229 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also pushed my program to the bottom >:( < 1243796240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: adding polarity is a ~3 minute job < 1243796247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meh < 1243796251 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, AnMaster: And was also done. < 1243796257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1243796258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, then. < 1243796267 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Abjad. < 1243796268 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1243796271 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n vwls. < 1243796283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I guess it is because you took too long for him ;P < 1243796285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks < 1243796291 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed the lack of vowels; inferred only from context? < 1243796300 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah. < 1243796304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:57 pikhq: ehird: Abjad. < 1243796304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:57 pikhq: ;) < 1243796305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:57 pikhq: n vwls. < 1243796359 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from that, it's just the Roman alphabet, simplified into 1 stroke per character. < 1243796399 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do t and h look like in isolation < 1243796419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: T looks like the first character without the ` over it. < 1243796442 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is h always a `? < 1243796455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h looks like... Hmm. Actually, it looks closest to 'þ' written backwards. < 1243796460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So, looks like I'll be buying my display from DuPont. Maybe. < 1243796469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, price? < 1243796473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1243796484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't get this fancy long-lived one, just a regular OLED display. < 1243796485 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :フ < 1243796486 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now known as sztl < 1243796487 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, only when with another letter. "gh", "th", "ph", etc. < 1243796497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, DPI? < 1243796515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's amusing that it looks like kana, since I didn't learn kana until a bit *after* that. < 1243796517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now known as Asztal_fails < 1243796522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Either 163.92 or 136.6. < 1243796530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way, ridonkulously high. < 1243796537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, .92? .6? < 1243796539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243796540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sztl, you mean. < 1243796542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. < 1243796550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1280x1024 at 10" and 12", respectively. < 1243796561 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I write a ' to indicate a starting vowel, makes it a bit easier to read) < 1243796571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With DPI set accordingly in the OS, of course; that high resolution's just for extra smoothness and for media. < 1243796574 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sztl would work on IRC, I suppose < 1243796578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for blindity. < 1243796583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, He fails at faking nick change for all clients expect possibly xchat. < 1243796597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: since it's impossible to do it for all clients, who carse? < 1243796598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: True. < 1243796600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cares < 1243796605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my point < 1243796613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares if he fails faking it < 1243796642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care a lot about it. Just for informative purposes. < 1243796655 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I could get a -!- there, I'd do that, but I don't really know what the other clients do < 1243796667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu/gnome are really good for high-dpi displays < 1243796671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything just works if you set the dpi < 1243796716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huge advantage of high DPI displays: Subpixel rendering + no hinting — without any blurriness whatsoever. < 1243796725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you get that at about 100dpi. < 1243796750 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your "huge advantage" is my "can't tell the difference" < 1243796774 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You're blind. < 1243796777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you go and buy a braille screen, I'm sure you'll be just fine < 1243796784 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243796786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not having fully-functioning eyes and all < 1243796808 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For this particular case I note that I actually haven't had a chance to compare < 1243796815 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suspect it'd be like that. < 1243796818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then your statement is very silly :P < 1243796827 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It applies to most of your monitor hype :-P < 1243796838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"monitor hype"? < 1243796844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean... i like good displays? < 1243796847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont' recall hyping anything < 1243796870 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to create interest in by flamboyant or dramatic methods" < 1243796903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1243796918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying that 1280x1024 is way too small = dramatic? < 1243796947 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1280x1024 is kinda small unless you're talking TV set. < 1243796956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Deewiant said it was "just fine" < 1243796959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even then... Go for full 1920x1080? < 1243796973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's not as if Full HD screens even cost a lot < 1243796976 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Sure. In 1996. < 1243796990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get a 23" LCD TV w/ real 1080p for ~£200 < 1243796994 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Responding with "hahahahahaha" when I say it isn't is flamboyant :-P < 1243796999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most tvs cost about that much < 1243797011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 512k is enough for anything < 1243797033 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Eh, there's cheaper TV sets. Granted, those are at best EDTV these days... < 1243797060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[It would be better for the "Donky" of the U.S. Democratic Party to lick the carrot.]] —North Korea < 1243797061 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That style of response is flamboyant regardless of the statement. < 1243797075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: do we agree on the definition of flamboyant here? < 1243797076 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside: you guys have pretty damn cheap TVs. < 1243797092 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "showy" < 1243797099 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: TVs are cheap. < 1243797107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: not really the colloquial meaning < 1243797111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Tech is expensive in finland < 1243797120 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I got a 19" TV for 199€, the next-cheapest one would have been around 299€. < 1243797121 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1243797135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jebus. 19" for 199€? < 1243797138 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Fuck colloquy. :-P < 1243797150 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Cheapest TV I could find. < 1243797155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wants a TV < 1243797159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just badly-tuned monitors < 1243797159 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modulo reasonable TVs. < 1243797171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just about get a 19" monitor, computer and *tuner card* for that. < 1243797187 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw you. :-P < 1243797210 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tuner cards appear to be around 90-120 € here. < 1243797213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. 199€ is according to Google $281. < 1243797223 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just about? Yes, I *definitely* could. < 1243797242 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That 23" with 1080p for £199 is ass-cheap. < 1243797246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can pick up a DTV tuner for $20-$50.... < 1243797252 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get a new monitor < 1243797274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I skrimped, I could get a computer for another $150... < 1243797281 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 19" monitors are upwards of 100 €. < 1243797285 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even $100 if I didn't bother with CPU at all. < 1243797309 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-095-235.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1243797309 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a computer on top of that will be more than the -20 to 10 € remaining. ;-) < 1243797315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("CPU? Who needs that if it's just going to tune?") < 1243797364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:14 Deewiant: That 23" with 1080p for £199 is ass-cheap. < 1243797366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£200. < 1243797373 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No less ass-cheap. < 1243797374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give £30 or so < 1243797384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, we have pretty good pricse. < 1243797384 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yes. It would be cheaper for me to build a barebones DVR setup than it would be for you to buy a TV set. < 1243797386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*prices < 1243797388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit crazy. < 1243797402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, televisions are obsolete. < 1243797406 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've become accustomed to it. :-P < 1243797408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple as that < 1243797421 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing wrong with buying an obsolete device every now and then < 1243797422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Here's the ass cheap TV: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/153223 < 1243797424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£230.68 < 1243797435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: = 263.38 eur < 1243797453 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: DVR setup FTW. If you really *must* watch TV, at least you can skip the commercials. < 1243797472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why even bother? Everything apart from the news is downloadable, and the news can be streamed for free online. < 1243797477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... assuming BBC, of course.) < 1243797482 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a monitor, is is 1920*1200, 22", or 19200*1200, 24" better? < 1243797494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: the 19200. it has ten times the height < 1243797500 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: About the same price here, actually. I'd've expected at least 290. < 1243797501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit of a skewed aspect ratio though ;) < 1243797516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: But, depends what you want. 22" packs the same stuff into more detail, due to packing the pixels closer. < 1243797525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You're not very likely to find 10 Mbit/s MPEG2 streams from the net. :p < 1243797526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 24" is about 96dpi, which is what most images, etc on the interweb assume. < 1243797527 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: But then, £30 on top does make it less ass-cheap. :-P < 1243797534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, the default settings and such assume it, generally. < 1243797540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it'll work OOTB more smoothly. < 1243797546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Granted, if you've got cable, you're not even getting that. < 1243797558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ultra-high quality is mandatory for breaking news, clearly. < 1243797572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I have £30 a few meters away from me, want it? :P < 1243797576 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, I just wanted something cheap with component inputs. < 1243797581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, okay, so I don't have £30 lying everywhere.) < 1243797583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(would be nice tho.) < 1243797583 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Sure :-P < 1243797602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: OK, that'll be £20 shipping, £11 handling charge < 1243797609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You're discussing the US. We think that making it possible for people to *download* shows they want to watch is EBIL!!! < 1243797618 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Nothx < 1243797639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I believe you can stream bbc news internationally < 1243797648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, nope. < 1243797650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quote: < 1243797658 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: And what if you want to watch something other than BBC news? < 1243797668 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we'd rather use several hundred Mbit/s streaming it over the air. And over satellites. And over cables. < 1243797673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The BBC News channel is available in the UK only. Don't forget, to watch TV online as it's being broadcast, you still need a TV License." < 1243797684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If you want something else, it's probably not live, so download the series. In HD> < 1243797684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1243797693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Not legal. < 1243797698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct. < 1243797701 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus my rant about the US. < 1243797714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jaywalking isn't legal either :P < 1243797720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And diverging into a rant about us not using multicast. < 1243797741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV/Radio have one architectural advantage: < 1243797748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Broadcast scales way better than streaming. < 1243797757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it doesn't have to do anything at all :P < 1243797763 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus why I said multicast. < 1243797768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1243797797 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With multicast, the streamer just sends out a single stream. The routers make sure the stream gets to everyone. ;) < 1243797798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[For anyone who isn't familiar with the name "Prometeia," it is special device that chills an Intel or AMD processor down to an operating temperature of between -20°C to -30°C, with the end goal being better overclocking.]] < 1243797810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overclockers never stop surprising me with what they will buy. < 1243797829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fridge for your CPU. < 1243797848 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also nearly 10 years old :-P < 1243797853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen some overclocker that said "Screw that, that's just stupid". < 1243797865 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And bought a minifridge and made that into a computer case. < 1243797867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, I bet it can only cool an i7 @ 4ghz to -5 under load. < 1243797872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :D < 1243797876 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, srsly! < 1243797879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's one thing overclockers are, it's DIY. < 1243797882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DIYers < 1243797901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the subject of crazy cooling systems... < 1243797926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.zalman.co.kr/DataFile/product/RESERATOR-1-V2_01_b(0).jpg Combined pump, reservoir and... space heater. < 1243797939 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: stfu, that thing's awesome < 1243797945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: never said it wasn't < 1243797949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm considering it for my new build < 1243797953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. two of them < 1243797960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one can only dissipate ~200W of heat continually < 1243797966 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhahahaa < 1243797971 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wimpy < 1243797975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably drill a hole in the wall, and mount it on the rarely-used stairs, though < 1243797980 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diy it < 1243797983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't want to be near two of them under load < 1243797995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i could just buy an industrial radiator that can dissipate 200w < 1243797997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*2000w < 1243798002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hook it up to the reserator < 1243798006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be less fuss than DIYing it < 1243798012 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be better < 1243798019 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you want two pumps < 1243798026 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two reservoirs < 1243798026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: the pump is a bit wimpy, though < 1243798032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 watts, 30litre/hour < 1243798043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, anything more would be non-inaudible < 1243798056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of them is probably quieter than replacing the pump with something louder/more powerful < 1243798069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I'm mounting this on the stairs it doesn't really matter :) < 1243798087 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-inaudible < 1243798090 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eg. audible < 1243798094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: shush you :) < 1243798106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: the reserator is ~8.5kg when filled < 1243798106 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a large sheet of copper, solder copper pipe on to it in a purdy design < 1243798110 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount on wall < 1243798119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6kg base rate + 2.5 litres of cooler < 1243798124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: not on this wall, kthx < 1243798131 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1243798133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the i7 and a gtx graphics card are gonna produce a lot of heat < 1243798135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's summer < 1243798142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25C-30C is hot enough for me as it is < 1243798147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: I'm going to mount it on the other wall < 1243798157 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuh < 1243798161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the side of my monitor and further forward is a wall < 1243798165 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like you've got more heat than fan cooling < 1243798174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond that wall, is air above rarely-used stairs < 1243798180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1243798185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 1. drill three holes < 1243798194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in, out tubes, and power lead < 1243798201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 2. get brackets, mount on stair wall < 1243798204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 3. connect it up < 1243798212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yes, but air heating just goes out the exhaust vent < 1243798214 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no-one in your house complains? < 1243798228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't sit there 2ft high pumping out heat < 1243798232 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the exhaust vent right next to you < 1243798243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: the exhaust vent on my floor, facing the wall, you mean < 1243798250 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: heat rises < 1243798255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shit sherlock < 1243798256 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243798264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: anyway, the stairs are colder. < 1243798267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this is cooler. ;) < 1243798276 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which meaning? < 1243798278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: weell, that may be a slight issue < 1243798286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: but, the stairs are used like once every few months < 1243798293 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if it's on the other side of a wall, you can use a cheaper, active radiator < 1243798294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'd be too high to bash anyone < 1243798297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: also, cool as in awesome. < 1243798300 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1243798308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: the stairs are a great amplifier < 1243798311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hear anything that goes on in there < 1243798329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, fans have significantly less cool factor < 1243798330 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should have your speakers there :D < 1243798332 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plastic tubing is cheap < 1243798336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: heh < 1243798345 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run it down to the basement < 1243798354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yeah but if I go down that route my whole computer ends up in the basement (a basement which this flat does not have) < 1243798364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's so much less fun than making it silent < 1243798371 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've already got a hole drilled in my floor down to the crawlspace :D < 1243798374 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my ethernet cable < 1243798375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: one of the less practical ideas I had while thinking about this, < 1243798376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is: < 1243798382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that I'm one storey up in a flat) < 1243798388 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1243798389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount it on the outside wall < 1243798392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put in protective box < 1243798394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drill holes through wall < 1243798396 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, that's my idea < 1243798403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i could overclock in the winter only < 1243798403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1243798425 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust suicide < < 1243798427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a word for that idea, though, actually two of them. impractical; expensive :-D < 1243798431 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_suicide: 0.0 < 1243798437 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: get a window-mounted air conditioner, and hook up a heat exchanger to the cold side < 1243798451 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suicide is more like [-] < 1243798457 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: nope < 1243798464 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1243798465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: maybe < 1243798466 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: leaving the arena makes one lose < 1243798467 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust true_suicide ] < 1243798470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reserator is pretty though < 1243798476 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1243798479 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Asztal_true_suicide: 4.6 < 1243798480 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust fake_suicide [-] < 1243798487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i'm almost totally set on a passive-radiator watercooling system, though < 1243798496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although then the coil whine from the GTX 260 up becomes an issue < 1243798500 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought one could still win if the opponent suicided afterwards (by clearing its own flag) < 1243798502 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1243798508 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i thought you weren't getting a gtx < 1243798511 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust suicide fake_suicide < 1243798514 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1243798515 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that's only if your program ends < 1243798517 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, well, a syntax error loses to a <, AFAIK. < 1243798517 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust suicide < < 1243798523 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1243798523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: that was 'cuz I could passively cool a 9800gtx+ < 1243798533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: with watercooling, all those issues just - ehm - drip away < 1243798542 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"coil whine"? < 1243798548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 1, get a decent radiator, step 2, put all the components you want in the loop < 1243798550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yeah < 1243798558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: some of the coil things on the card make a whining noise < 1243798561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently only for the first few months < 1243798563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or forever < 1243798565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on who you ask < 1243798576 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Deewiant_fake_suicide: 7.7 < 1243798577 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supported commands: addinterp bf_txtgen bfjoust daemon daemons delinterp fyb help info kill mush userinterps 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch bct befunge befunge98 bf bf16 bf32 bf8 bfbignum boolfuck c chiqrsx9p choo cintercal clcintercal cxx dimensifuck echo forth glass glypho google gregor hello kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge notecho num ook pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor rot13 sadol sceql sh show slashes test trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl yod < 1243798577 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for tombom_suicide: 0.0 < 1243798577 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for tombom_suicide: 0.0 < 1243798614 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Egobot, was that the one with lots of bf based commands? < 1243798615 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: get a 295 < 1243798620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: that's mah plan < 1243798627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: maybe even two, in SLI. < 1243798632 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show bf < 1243798633 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a user interpreter! < 1243798635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on how excessive and moneybags I feel < 1243798651 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... GTX 260 ... < 1243798657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: GTX 260 and up < 1243798663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the GTXs suffer from it < 1243798672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: since you're the person who showed me that ssd article— do you think using an using intel ssd for an os drive, and then a stuttery-but-good-sequential-throughput SSD for a data might work well? i don't see why that wouldn't work < 1243798705 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If most of your data usage is sequential then sure, I guess < 1243798709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: after all this, all I need is an anechoic chamber to enjoy it in < 1243798712 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much are you spending on this anyway? < 1243798719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and too much < 1243798729 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why not put the computer on the other side of the wall? < 1243798765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit less (few hundred) than $4,000 for the aircooled version ($4k was from endpcnoise.com preassembled; the rig i was going to build had some changes but would prolly come out cheaper due to no system integrator cost) < 1243798779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, remove costs for quiet case, heatsinks, fans etc and add watercooling costs... < 1243798787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, I found some ways to cut the costs down < 1243798792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all very much in flux < 1243798796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :priority one, performance and silence < 1243798801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :priority two, money i can actually afford < 1243798803 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't imagine how you would spend that much < 1243798810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: well, I'm not going to < 1243798817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm doing it iteratively < 1243798828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make awesome computer, make affordable. if awesomeness is compromised, go back to step 1 < 1243798833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat until both criteria are fulfilled < 1243798851 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtx 295 - $500, i7 extreme, $1000, 4 x25-ms, $1200 < 1243798869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: watercooling costs a lot < 1243798872 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expensive ram, $400 < 1243798872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :several hundred < 1243798884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 12gb of expensive ddr3 is more like $1000 < 1243798892 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're only at $3000 < 1243798898 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you do it the 8G stick way. < 1243798907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: then it's $984758934579832478293784572893467834589347238947 < 1243798909 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: if you want to be wasteful < 1243798911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't get 8g sticks < 1243798911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 4g < 1243798917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Factorial. < 1243798933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh it wouldn't cost -that- much to get them invented and made ;) < 1243798971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: $3100 for cpu, gfx card, ram and 160gb x25-m < 1243798974 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That includes the cost of bribing the controllers of the market to allow them to be on the market. < 1243798982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add water cooling costs, case etc and you get a bit over $4000 < 1243798997 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;0 < 1243799002 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;), rather. < 1243799009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: hardware is cheap. relatively. < 1243799024 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://techreport.com/articles.x/16255 < 1243799029 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, that thing looks pretty cool < 1243799038 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you realize it's utterly stupid < 1243799043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION clix < 1243799044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what thing is it? < 1243799047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interwebs are being slow < 1243799059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that is totally stupid is any watercooling rig that isn't passive < 1243799063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :total waste of money < 1243799066 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACard's ANS-9010 Serial ATA RAM disk < 1243799079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: pfft, SATA? < 1243799082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottleneck ahoy < 1243799084 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no kidding < 1243799099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[What's more, even Intel's fastest X25-E flash drive is limited to 250MB/s reads and 170MB/s writes]] < 1243799100 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only go up to 64gb too < 1243799105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOCUS ON RANDOM PERFORMANCE FOR AN OS DRIE < 1243799106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRIVE < 1243799107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE < 1243799109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:| < 1243799116 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, it'll be 1000 times better to get a motherboard that can support that < 1243799132 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the processor's fastest and lowest latency connection to _anything_ is its ram < 1243799143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what nice watercooled psus you can get < 1243799151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not anything under 2345897234897238942389429347234 kilowatts < 1243799157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all watercoolers are excessive amirite < 1243799178 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants a computer with battery backed RAM. Making a RAM disk feasible. < 1243799179 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1243799180 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddr2 can get 6 gigabytes/second < 1243799186 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sata gets...300megabytes/second < 1243799188 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1243799192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1243799194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: sata=3gb/s < 1243799201 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: gigabits/s < 1243799203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 6 gb/s soon. < 1243799207 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ups... < 1243799208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: well yeah < 1243799236 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's very easy to do with a good operating system < 1243799260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: can the dual 1366 server mobos take two i7s? < 1243799264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to recall that they only fit xeons or sth < 1243799269 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you can't have two i7's < 1243799274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: "Battery backed RAM". < 1243799282 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need nehalem xeons instead < 1243799283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you can have two xeons, why not two i7s < 1243799291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know an OS could magically make your RAM battery backed. < 1243799301 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you get a ups < 1243799311 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ups tells computer when to start backing up ramdisk < 1243799313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the same. < 1243799318 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly the same < 1243799327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck battery backed ramdisks < 1243799328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too brittle < 1243799331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssd backed ramdisks, yes. < 1243799338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, if you never shut your system down. < 1243799363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: do you know? < 1243799371 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so it takes 2 minutes to shut down, big deal < 1243799382 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: they don't have the appropriate bus iirc < 1243799389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243799394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda lame but i don't need more than 4 cores < 1243799414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt the performance advantage from 8 is really noticeable apart from in things specifically optimized for it < 1243799420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I wanna get mega parallel i'll talk to my gpu < 1243799452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Busting the ANS-9010 open reveals eight 240-pin DDR2 DIMM slots]] < 1243799452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Like compile jobs, encode jobs, etc. :p < 1243799457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it isn't even fucking ddr3 :) < 1243799482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: -j6 vs -j12 isn't going to make much difference unless your project is basically dependency-free < 1243799483 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's on the other side of sata, who cares < 1243799492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: encode jobs can be done on the gpu < 1243799498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are products doing that in development < 1243799506 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mencoder? < 1243799513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can mencoder do that? < 1243799515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1243799534 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mencoder can do encodes in parallel. I don't think it can do encodes on the GPU, though. < 1243799549 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Decodes*, sure, but not encodes. < 1243799573 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some gpus have hardware de/encoders don't they? < 1243799577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's its problem < 1243799579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: dunno < 1243799581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buuut < 1243799587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen figures using gpu encoders to mpeg4 and the like < 1243799591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically? < 1243799597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5x faster than a multicore cpu or so < 1243799600 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: All modern GPUs are TC. < 1243799607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: he knows _that < 1243799607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ < 1243799610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have builtin decoding hardware besides. < 1243799610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but specialization = moar speed < 1243799640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, gfx card of radeon 4850 or above caliber vs high-end gigahertzy 4-core cpu < 1243799646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gfx cards kicks the cpu's ass at encoding video. < 1243799660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: oh my god < 1243799665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: their test system for that ddr drive < 1243799667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: [[Processor Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 3.4GHz]] < 1243799670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you've got an encoder for said graphics card, yes. < 1243799673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIME MACHINE TIEM MACHINE < 1243799674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*TIME < 1243799676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: STAB. < 1243799685 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P4? Jeeze. < 1243799690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Memory size 1GB (2 DIMMs)]] < 1243799692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 GIGA BYTE < 1243799694 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was written in 2009, too < 1243799699 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no excuse for that < 1243799700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Graphics Radeon X700 Pro 256MB with CATALYST 5.7 drivers]] < 1243799702 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2 DIMMS! < 1243799704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this shit is just piling up the power < 1243799712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catalyst is up to 9.something :D < 1243799720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a system better than that. And it's low-end 3 year old hardware. < 1243799721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, xp service pack 2! < 1243799723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWO! < 1243799728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah < 1243799732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The test systems' Windows desktop was set at 1280x1024 in 32-bit color at an 85Hz screen refresh rate. Vertical refresh sync (vsync) was disabled for all tests. < 1243799738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahah < 1243799780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahah: < 1243799781 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a lower refresh, but that's because my LCD's somewhat cheap. < 1243799786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: http://techreport.com/r.x/acard-ans9010/worldbench-overall.gif < 1243799797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: RAID-0ing two of those ramdisks? < 1243799798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But man. I outspecced their test system 3 years ago. < 1243799802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 8 points better than a x25-m < 1243799804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I was buying *old hardware*. < 1243799816 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: OTHER END OF SATA < 1243799819 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :end of discussion < 1243799820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :160gb for cheaper than 16gb and the same performance hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. < 1243799821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i kno < 1243799822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1243799824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just so silly < 1243799827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: they're prolly using a crt < 1243799840 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah. < 1243799845 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus 85 Hz. < 1243799931 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: they didn't raid0 two of them < 1243799937 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: each one has 2 sata interfaces < 1243799942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: oh lawd < 1243799951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION closes article, too retarded < 1243799969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: also, I'm not sure I should get a 295 < 1243799979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it's two gpus < 1243799990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it is probably more effective to use two of the best single nvidia gpus < 1243799991 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1243799995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Now the GTX 295 is a bit of a weird combo. See, it has the memory volume and frequency of two GTX 260 cards yet the raw shader processor horsepower of two GeForce GTX 280 cards. " < 1243799999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets more memory power too < 1243800007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :280 is discontinued though < 1243800009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 275 < 1243800018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2x275 is at least as good as a 295 < 1243800022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more effective for cooling etc < 1243800040 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sad thing is, with a one line command, i can have a ramdisk half the size of theirs that is much cheaper and a zillion times faster < 1243800048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1243800065 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally, a zillion times < 1243800093 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One line command? < 1243800100 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/shm seems to exist without me trying. < 1243800104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1243800113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: ooh, there's a better single gpu than the 275 < 1243800115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 285 < 1243800120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2x285 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 295 < 1243800124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably comparable power usage too < 1243800151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISADVANTAGE OF WATER COOLING: First it drains your pocket, then it allows you to drain your pocket. < 1243800166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then your pocket shrivels and dies. < 1243800232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: on the 295: "you can rest assured that when these two GPU's are fully utilized the card can peak towards 289 watts power consumption" < 1243800234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1243800294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: if I get 2x285, you have to buy me crysis, okay? < 1243800302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise that's just a waste ;) < 1243800351 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: mount -t tmpfs -o size=8G tmpfs /mnt/faster-than-you < 1243800375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 8G is a bit big if you only have 12G of ram < 1243800391 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mem: 12040 11888 152 0 7022 3344 < 1243800391 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-/+ buffers/cache: 1520 10519 < 1243800403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: well sure but then you're left with only 4 < 1243800409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd recommend a 4G ramdisk < 1243800413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have 8G left < 1243800417 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only 4G of RAM! Whatever shall you do with so little < 1243800420 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Fair enough. < 1243800467 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you are backing it up it might be easier to use a ram device < 1243800472 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then you can just dd it < 1243800503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Die? < 1243800507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure would! < 1243800527 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the differences between the buffers and cached line anyway? < 1243800566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: kernel reserves a fuckton of memory for usage later < 1243800576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buffers/cache line subtracts that from the usage < 1243800584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can know what's actually being used < 1243800626 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no,,,, < 1243800637 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first line < 1243800650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: wait whut? < 1243800651 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"buffers - 7107; cached - 3360" < 1243800655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1243800656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1243800752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yep, 285 SLI kicks the shit out of a 295 < 1243800757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3501&p=2 start of benchmarks < 1243800758 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orly? < 1243800761 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-167-7.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243800762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1243800765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even on ATI-lovin' games < 1243800775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1243800780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as a 280 sli on that though < 1243800782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is odd < 1243800798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1243800801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, wow. < 1243800801 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's a waste of money either way < 1243800802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/gtx285launch_011509005146/18001.png < 1243800808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 FPS at 2560x1600 4xaa. < 1243800814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's slightly ridiculous. < 1243800818 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly < 1243800820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*scrolls to crysis* < 1243800840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohmagad. < 1243800844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/gtx285launch_011509005146/17996.png < 1243800849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just ridiculous < 1243800855 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 FPS! < 1243800860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... although how come the gtx 280 beats the 285? < 1243800866 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't < 1243800871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm talking about the sli configuraitons < 1243800874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*configurations < 1243800883 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The difference is so small I'd chalk it up to error < 1243800887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, prolly < 1243800892 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1243800900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ps your card only gets 18fps haha looooser < 1243800909 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not seeing an i7 motherboard that supports more than 24 gb of ram < 1243800914 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like there's a difference between 22 and 18 :-P < 1243800940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i'm not seeing a consumer use-case that requires more than 24 gb of ram < 1243800958 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not seeing a consumer use-case that requires more than 4 GB of RAM < 1243800960 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Then you haven't seen the latest line of games! < 1243800971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's ok to be a little excessive < 1243800980 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh, and that stupid sata ramdisk does have a battery good for about 4 hrs < 1243800986 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAMSuckerShootShootShoot alone requires 16GB < 1243801000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1243801019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: does it require a quad-SLI of gtx 295s too? < 1243801022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a render farm on the side < 1243801031 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "recommended" < 1243801067 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you can have more than 4 gpus < 1243801078 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1243801085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: why not < 1243801097 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because sli doesn't support it < 1243801098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Heh. < 1243801106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: lame < 1243801112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quad-SLI of gtx 285s, then < 1243801126 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the Asus Mars can be quad SLI'd. < 1243801133 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 8 in total < 1243801138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The GeForce GTX 295 comes with a 289 watt TDP (peak wattage). Since your motherboard can only deliver 75 watts, you'll need to hook it up to a PSU" < 1243801143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally?!!?!?!?237836248761238123 < 1243801144 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and 16GB of VRAM) < 1243801162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: ah, it's two gtx 285s? < 1243801168 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much, yes < 1243801175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1243801201 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1243801238 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1243801244 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much faster is gddr? < 1243801245 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Most new GPUs these days need to be hooked up to a PSU. < 1243801250 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not use it for core? < 1243801252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: thus my sarcasm < 1243801262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what we need is thin clients + 5 billion lines of fiber-optics to communicate w/ the thick servers < 1243801264 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1243801272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooling vs silence: SOLVED. < 1243801295 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: *shrug* < 1243801302 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put a dvi and usb cable through the wall < 1243801304 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOLVED. < 1243801345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yeah i could totally not hear a 4x asus mars sli + 2x nehalem xeons @ 4ghz + 2x 1200watt psu in another room < 1243801353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows that walls block all noise entirely < 1243801366 0 :tombom_!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1243801379 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This picture rated X for violence. < 1243801391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this picture rated x for xtrem < 1243801393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1243801437 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This picture rated R for Romance < 1243801461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this picture rated p for people having intercourse < 1243801578 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This picture rated G for Gore. < 1243801590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what 137dpi looks like: < 1243801597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imggur.com/RAORj.png < 1243801599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1243801600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/RAORj.png < 1243801602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(typed out of vm) < 1243801617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wait < 1243801632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what 164 dpi looks like < 1243801636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Resize picture-viewing window to be 10" :P < 1243801775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a 96dpi monitor, < 1243801787 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs ehird's eyes out. < 1243801788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :750x600 is the right size < 1243801792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: what < 1243801793 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what 0 dpi looks like. < 1243801805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: See my note about resizing. < 1243801859 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :........................... < 1243801866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: What. < 1243801874 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That had nothing to do with any of that, I was just poking your eyes out so you can see what 0 dpi looks like. < 1243801881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1243801883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I see. < 1243801886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very clever. Har har. < 1243801925 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: fan noise, mostly < 1243801939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Wut? < 1243801945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: and yeah < 1243801950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the fans needed to cool that shit = huge < 1243802053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN < 1243802076 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1243802120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þis picture rated Þ for gratuitous uſe of þorn. < 1243802131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gratuitous amounts of pornography < 1243802237 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pix < 1243802253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: new cooling system < 1243802255 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear me, I say, the pornography in this picture would have been acceptable 10 minutes ago, but now it's just gratuitous. < 1243802262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your system goes in a thin box < 1243802264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is moved to finland < 1243802269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cables are connected to it underwater < 1243802280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps antarctica < 1243802284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latency's lower from finland < 1243802309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: However, it is alſo gratis. Surely þat's important‽ < 1243802336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day I'm going to start talking in real, bona-fide olde english < 1243802339 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243802342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're all going to be FUCKED < 1243802346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meter fourically < 1243802355 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243802380 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243802380 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tombom < 1243802393 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be difficult for you to say "esoteric programming language" in "bona-fide" Old English. < 1243802420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: esoterice language of the magicke movinge stones < 1243802500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: no? < 1243802538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interest < 1243802541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting* < 1243802552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hwæt! wē Gār-Dena in geār-dagum, þeod-cyninga, þrym gefrunon, hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon. < 1243802564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, Adding polynoms both made the generated code better and worse at the same time... Trying to fix back the cases where it is now worse < 1243802585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly due to other optimisation passes knowing more tricks for the old nodes... < 1243802686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i am jealous of you. you and your noise-carelessness. < 1243802692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only I could be that desensitive :P < 1243802709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*insensitive?) < 1243802729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, the reserator pushes 300l/hr not 30l/hr :-D < 1243802749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hwaet! wē Gār-Dena in geār-dagum, theod-cyninga, thrym gefrunon, hu ða aethelingas ellen fremedon. <-- care to translate < 1243802758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Sure: < 1243802774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Listen! We have heard of the glory of the Spear-Danes, of the kings of the people, in days of yore, [and] how those princes did deeds of glory." < 1243802787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmh < 1243802787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Beowulf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_English_language#Beowulf < 1243802789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm* < 1243802800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm clearly going to have to ask for translation a lot from now on... < 1243802818 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how loud is a waterblock? < 1243802835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: a good one? Uh, 0dB. < 1243802847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably bad ones too. < 1243802852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pumps that make noise. < 1243802873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: I mean, it does nothing. < 1243802877 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so put the pump somewhere else < 1243802878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't push anything, it just is. < 1243802882 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: turbulence < 1243802886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Yes, that's what I'm going to do < 1243802889 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1243802893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By mounting it on the wall of the stairs < 1243802894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://imgur.com/RAORj.png <--- the image metadata says it is 72 dpi... < 1243802896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The reserator) < 1243802902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's irrelevant; what dpi is your display? < 1243802911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll tell you the appropriate resolution < 1243802916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 86 iirc. 80-something anyway < 1243802930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I'm using gimps "not pixel for pixel" mode < 1243802944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if metadata was correct it would show as right size < 1243802949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Set gimp to a-pixel-is-a-pixel, then resize it to 671x600. < 1243802950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes it is relevant < 1243802961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: Set gimp to a-pixel-is-a-pixel, then resize it to 671x600. <-- doing it that way is broken :P < 1243802974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'll look right (modulo blurriness due to your monitor's dpi being lower than what the image was designed for) < 1243802984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Blame ubuntu's screenshot too < 1243802985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1243803018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: Set gimp to a-pixel-is-a-pixel, then resize it to 671x600. <-- that doesn't keep the aspect ratio. < 1243803028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Just do it, I know it'll work :P < 1243803036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I worked it out and everything < 1243803037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 671 gimp suggests 537 < 1243803040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is very much off < 1243803045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, wait < 1243803048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got it the wrong way around < 1243803067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 671.54 pixels TIMES something. < 1243803079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: For a more clarcut one, make it 600 second-dimension. < 1243803084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And let it choose the first dimension. < 1243803092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For perfect results, get out a ruler :P < 1243803095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :750x600? < 1243803104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for perfect results use correct metadata :P < 1243803120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 671x537 < 1243803126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get it to as close as that as it'll be happy with < 1243803138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:50 AnMaster: for 671 gimp suggests 537 < 1243803139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then < 1243803139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use that < 1243803156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is what I said -_- < 1243803160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: With linear interpolation < 1243803166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear? huh < 1243803170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does best for scaling down text and stuff. < 1243803182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although at such a low dpi I'm not sure you could notice :P < 1243803231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is a very small screen! < 1243803243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Measure its diagonal size < 1243803245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be 10" < 1243803252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, 10" is small. Netbook-size. < 1243803265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, about 25 cm? < 1243803274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1243803276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But it'd be a lot better on the actual thing. < 1243803280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for a laptop; you have it a lot closer. < 1243803284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's high-dpi, so it's sharper. < 1243803286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are you still getting that speed monster too < 1243803286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1243803292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's the main priority < 1243803303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The netbook requires a sufficiently high DPI OLED display; so come back in a year or something < 1243803317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The speed monster is what I'm watercooling w/ that gigantic passive radiator. < 1243803338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh < 1243803373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the pump will still be noisy < 1243803374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1243803378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Nope. < 1243803387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The 5 watt pump in the Reserator is inaudible. < 1243803397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even moreso if you add a drop of washing up liquid (seriously) < 1243803407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Also, I'm mounting it on the wall of another room. < 1243803411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The stairs opposite this room.) < 1243803488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: btw, the same basic idea as watercooling is used in heatpipe heatsinks < 1243803495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zalman totally no noise is basically watercooling sans the water < 1243803500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the case as the radiator < 1243803564 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not < 1243803570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: howso < 1243803590 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a phase change inheat pipes < 1243803599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said basically < 1243803607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also bsmntbombdood uh no < 1243803609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a loop heat pipe < 1243803615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!= heat pipe < 1243803621 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1243803635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: regular heat pipes are single-phase < 1243803727 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1243803737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia said it therefore it is true. < 1243803741 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that even work < 1243803759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that was talking about another thing < 1243803765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even so, heatpipes != phase < 1243803811 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243803817 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what a heatpipe is < 1243803826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom < 1243803954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how many watercooled psus there are < 1243803977 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only seen 1 or 2 < 1243804018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: well you just need a fanless psu < 1243804022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put a waterblock on it < 1243804039 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=665 < 1243804041 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad idea < 1243804047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: that one's submerged < 1243804049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is überlame < 1243804049 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are hot heatsinks < 1243804052 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uberlame? < 1243804055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1243804055 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like ubercool < 1243804059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate submersion :) < 1243804072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: also, why bad idea < 1243804076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just like cooling a hot cpu < 1243804086 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll fuck it up < 1243804090 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cpu has a single heatsink < 1243804094 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's tons in a psu < 1243804106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are psus designed to run fanlessly < 1243804111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/ some airflow < 1243804117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting a waterblock on them would run fine < 1243804213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1243804218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silverstone's max fanless psu is 450w < 1243804230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame as a lame thing < 1243804270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks around some more < 1243804275 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with submersion? < 1243804282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: dunno, just don't like it < 1243804310 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems pretty ideal to me < 1243804319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: also, that psu has way too high wwattage < 1243804320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wattag < 1243804320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1243804332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't even look to be 80% efficient < 1243804419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION calculates power usage for his rig-o-matic < 1243804518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :344watt @ 85% cpu tdp, 90% load, 0 capacitor aging < 1243804533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/ 100% tdp, 100% load 402w < 1243804553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that but w/ 20% capacitor aging = 482w < 1243804580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we say gtx 295 instead of 285, and same settings as last, 566w < 1243804589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i only need 500w < 1243804628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: so 1700w is amazingly wasteful&excessive. < 1243804634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for, well... anything. < 1243805011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 'pparently with a zalman reserator you still need one low-rpm case fan < 1243805013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why though < 1243805021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you put absolutely everything that makes any heat into the loop < 1243805083 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1243805199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: any idea why? < 1243805800 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't put everything that makes heat in the loop < 1243805810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: why not < 1243805812 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you end up like this: < 1243805815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :northbridge, ram, gpu, ... < 1243805819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly possible. < 1243805937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: your google is slow < 1243805939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should grease it < 1243806000 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i can't remember what it was called < 1243806004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what was it? < 1243806026 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a setup where he put a waterblock on every single heat producing component < 1243806032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened < 1243806065 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we go < 1243806066 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=744914 < 1243806083 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked, it's just totally ridiculous < 1243806096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: well i don't mean everything that produces heat < 1243806105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything that produces heat that would actually need a heatsink or airflow of any kind < 1243806118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really don't see why you'd need a case fan < 1243806125 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just about everything needs to be cooled somehow < 1243806165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: northbridge, gpu, gpu ram, cpu, ram, psu < 1243806169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you've covered most everything < 1243806188 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: southbridge too, and the power circuitry for the cpu < 1243806202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: do those make enough heat to need any sort of cooling? < 1243806206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd imagine the heat would just waft off < 1243806213 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a heatsink on them < 1243806220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: leave that on, then < 1243806224 0 :psygnisf_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1243806228 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sinks need airflow < 1243806233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: put a waterblock on, then < 1243806244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: btw. < 1243806246 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gets really impractical really fast < 1243806247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they need airflow < 1243806253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your case almost certainly has some holes in it < 1243806263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i highly doubt it needs more than a trickle of air moving about aimlessly < 1243806263 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2 120mm case fans are quiet < 1243806270 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just cheaper and easier to do that < 1243806280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. they're quiet. but if you're gonna get a fan, you might as well aircool < 1243806307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 psu fan, 1 cpu fan, 1 gfx card fan, 1 intake, 1 exhaust = 5 fans; if you get really good 120mm fans, barely more audible than 2 fans < 1243806307 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.overclockers.com.au/images/monolith/DSC02981-600.jpg < 1243806314 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The top of the pump after running for a few hours got really damn hot, so i decided to cool it." < 1243806314 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243806325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the attraction of watercooling, to me, is running without any fans. < 1243806342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: the pump's in a cold room < 1243806344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me < 1243806356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: and as I said: < 1243806358 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.overclockers.com.au/images/monolith/DSC03035-600.jpg < 1243806359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:44 ehird: but your case almost certainly has some holes in it < 1243806359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:44 ehird: i highly doubt it needs more than a trickle of air moving about aimlessly < 1243806369 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what happens when you try to watercool everything < 1243806381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure you could just poke out the exhaust fan grill on the back of your case < 1243806385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and let the air flow by itself < 1243806392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for such minor heatsources as what you said < 1243806416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: no? < 1243806421 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hdds also get pretty hot with no airflow < 1243806433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i'm putting my data hd in a fanless enclosur < 1243806434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1243806436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% thick copper < 1243806441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can buy HD waterblocks < 1243806477 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you read that thread? < 1243806480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: Also, I'm mounting it on the wall of another room. <-- heh < 1243806484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i'm reading it < 1243806495 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he made his own hdd waterblocks < 1243806502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: right well, you can buy 'em < 1243806504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I want 100% passive cooling. < 1243806508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heat pipes < 1243806511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: zalman totally no noise < 1243806515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but the pump is inaudible < 1243806517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no fan at all? < 1243806518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way more so than any fan < 1243806527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a reserator system can have no fan < 1243806529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost certian < 1243806531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my goal < 1243806540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and yes, zalman tnn = case is radiator, heatpipes < 1243806541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reserator? < 1243806550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: giant radiator + reservoir + pump < 1243806552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fanless < 1243806559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a brand name or? < 1243806563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's made by Zalman < 1243806580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so that explains why all google results seemed to be about a specific product < 1243806582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: disadvantage is that it can't dissipate too much heat (so put two of them together), and it heats the room < 1243806589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the latter... < 1243806596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, all cooling systems heat the room < 1243806599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or somewhere else < 1243806600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243806601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this moreso < 1243806603 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANY COOLING SYSTEM HEATS THE ROOM < 1243806605 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GODDAMN < 1243806607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm < 1243806610 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not moreso < 1243806610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: YOU CAN REPEAT AnMaster < 1243806611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL DONE < 1243806619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "moreso" didn't mean that < 1243806632 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you use a peltier < 1243806632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fact is, an air-based system won't be a gigantic space heater like the reserator < 1243806636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about only heatpipes... < 1243806648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what totally no noise does. it cannot cool anywhere near as much as WC < 1243806649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and passive heatsinks < 1243806659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, of course it can't cool as much! < 1243806659 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, it will < 1243806662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: go forwards a bit from where my computer will be and you reach a wall. drill some holes through that wall. mount the two reserators w/ brackets on the wall. feed pipes through < 1243806669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1243806678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: no, it won't < 1243806680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, WC can cool below ambient temperature iirc < 1243806681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assertion match fuck yeah) < 1243806685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it cannot < 1243806687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I'm confusing things < 1243806694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that isn't about how much heat the radiator lets out < 1243806696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cpu temperatures < 1243806698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait I'm mixing it up with compressor < 1243806701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly < 1243806724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hardest part of mounting the reserators < 1243806727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that they're 8kg when filled < 1243806737 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think a radiator just magically creates heat somehow? < 1243806742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: no < 1243806746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not reading what I'm saying < 1243806749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you need special support structures then < 1243806750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do it < 1243806752 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ANY COOLING SYSTEM HEATS THE ROOM // you could refrigerate the room and redirect the heat outside. < 1243806756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, brackets. < 1243806759 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then how will it heat the room more than air cooling < 1243806768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, sure. But that isn't relevant! < 1243806773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it won't. the point is the concentration in one space, and the lack of moving air < 1243806778 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Neither is your face. < 1243806804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, I never said that the look of my face was relevant to this discussion... < 1243806822 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-167-7.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243806858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1243806868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(two reserators mounted above my head in an unused staircase)->coolness < 1243806870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < 1243806876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(two reserators sitting in my room)->coolness < 1243806963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: so nyah. < 1243806974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyah, i say < 1243806975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NYAH < 1243807001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/archive.html is messed up too < 1243807038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, got a good pic of that reserator? < 1243807048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yep, sec < 1243807060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.zalman.co.kr/DataFile/product/RESERATOR-1-V2_01_b(0).jpg < 1243807068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the big metal tower with the fins, in case you're confused. :p < 1243807090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that * 2) + wall-mounting + drilled holes in walls = silent, heatless water cooling from my position < 1243807186 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1243807204 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-167-7.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243807210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1243807212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'part from coil whine < 1243807363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey bsmntbombdood < 1243807372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.feser-one.com/site/popup_image2.php?pID=322 < 1243807373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18.75"x5.85"x4.10" (LxWxH) < 1243807377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dissipates 2000 watts < 1243807398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you mean that empty space at May 16, pushing everything out? < 1243807403 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what temperature? < 1243807408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: err < 1243807411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it dissipates 2000 watts < 1243807413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, mm < 1243807423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: as in, your system can go to 2000 watts of heat < 1243807430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'll dissipate it into the air successfully < 1243807434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a reserator manages 200w < 1243807435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, whoa < 1243807443 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhuh < 1243807445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is it the 8 kg thing < 1243807447 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at what temperature < 1243807448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1243807457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 8kg is 6kg reserator + 2.5 litres of water < 1243807470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: ... do you understand what i'm saying? < 1243807496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how do you top up the water in it... < 1243807507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you don't really have to top it up < 1243807512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but to replace... drain it < 1243807513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :open it up < 1243807515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pour water in < 1243807517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close < 1243807519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1243807520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run it for a whil < 1243807521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1243807522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use < 1243807534 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hm, 2318 shows up in the correct place in the themed archive < 1243807535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 2000 watts of heat = 2000 watts of heat < 1243807536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : run it for a while <-- ? < 1243807540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a radiator can't magically remove heat < 1243807545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh? < 1243807552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you turn on your computer while the tubes are empty it could overheat < 1243807559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before the water gets to it < 1243807560 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :under Steve and Terry, as expected < 1243807562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'm actually suspecting this isn't intentional any more... < 1243807566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you run just the watercooling for a while < 1243807574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true < 1243807617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1243807631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammar fail above < 1243807653 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1243807666 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammar is so failure < 1243807670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: but for a regular room I imagine dissipating 2000 watts would make it burn you if you touch it < 1243807681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least sting a lot < 1243807686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be more precise than that :) < 1243807698 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..which is too hot for your cpu < 1243807704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errrrrrrrm < 1243807710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it's the radiator heating the air around it < 1243807716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no change to cpu temps. < 1243807718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2000 wasps, on the other hand... < 1243807726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just where the hot water goes... < 1243807736 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the radiator is hot enough to burn, the water going through it is, and so the cpu is too < 1243807753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: well < 1243807760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some cpus give up to like 900 watts of heat < 1243807766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i may be overestimating < 1243807769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/shrug < 1243807775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maxing out a 2,000 watt radiator would be hard < 1243807778 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :900 watts? < 1243807780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just how much it can theoretically disperse < 1243807785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: according to a quick google < 1243807788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems excessive < 1243807789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1243807795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, it's just a theoretical maximum < 1243807799 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what cpu dissipates 900watts? < 1243807810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1243807823 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not possible < 1243807834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1243807838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think the person saying it was a retard :) < 1243807846 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can move that much heat through something the size of a cpu heatspreader < 1243807866 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'd need a gigantic psu < 1243807878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1243807878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but w/e < 1243807885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about how much heat it can dissipate as long as it's enough < 1243808036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: but ofc, if you're dissipating 2000 watts you'd better fucking have a fan on the radiator < 1243808114 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1243808552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Project wants strong AI within 8 years in giant distributed system and your computer could be a part of it." < 1243808558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, I sure hope it's friendly :P < 1243808600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm sure my computer _would_ be a part of it. whether i signed up or not. :D < 1243808617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will this project make public some of its source code? < 1243808617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1243808618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will this project describe how knowledge is represented in the brain? < 1243808620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1243808623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, jackasses < 1243808634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let's completely revolutionize humanity. But first, PROFIT!!!!!" < 1243808656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not make public the mechanisms of knowledge representation in the brain? < 1243808656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Security is our main concern. As long as this concern is not addressed, it is in everyone's best interest that certain knowledge is restricted. < 1243808658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boolshat. < 1243808711 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243808740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[We intend to build a system that has the brain capacity of all people living in the world. This way we can ensure that no one will be left behind.]] < 1243808743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO BRAIN LEFT BEHIND < 1243809003 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strong ai in 8 years < 1243809004 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok lol < 1243809034 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so < 1243809042 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they want to make a psycho MPD ai? < 1243809042 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any 8 core opterons or xeons? < 1243809043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i wonder if it holds that since a reserator can handle a bit over 200w of heat, two of them can handle a bit over 400 < 1243809049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, no < 1243809054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 6 core old xeons < 1243809054 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes < 1243809059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(old = core 2 days, iirc) < 1243809083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: hmm then 400 watts should be enough to cool i7 + gtx 295 < 1243809088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1243809114 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR FACE ASPLOTE < 1243809114 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watercooling that gtx is gonna be a bitch < 1243809119 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to dissasemble it completely < 1243809126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is this project? < 1243809130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: erm, for values of taking the heatsink off < 1243809133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: stupid < 1243809137 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there's two boards though < 1243809140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, who is behind it? < 1243809143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yeah, so I gotta detach them < 1243809148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: stupid noname company < 1243809153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: see reddit < 1243809155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1243809157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: big deal < 1243809168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: other option: 2x285 or just 1x285 < 1243809187 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two 285's will be far easier i think < 1243809200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: also far more expensive < 1243809206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :285~=$400 295=$500 < 1243809206 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, nvidia says the 295 takes 289 watts < 1243809208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*~=$500 < 1243809217 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+140 for the i7 = 429 < 1243809223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: should be fine < 1243809232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said, reserator can handle a bit above 200, let's say 210 < 1243809238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*2 = 420 < 1243809245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it could probably handle it < 1243809250 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pushing it < 1243809252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(410 being an underestimate) < 1243809261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: or I could just get that massive radiator) < 1243809265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\)// < 1243809272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: or I could get 3xreserators < 1243809275 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to the junk yard < 1243809279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 1230watt < 1243809279 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a car radiator :D < 1243809282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: nothx < 1243809308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: also, companies tend to overestimate < 1243809309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from intel < 1243809312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+os("\n\nYou are standing at a junction. The path north continues along the sheer\ncliff and leads to a high plateau. Directly south you can see the tangled\ntrees an < 1243809312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d vines of a small forest. In the distance, to the west, you can see\nthe small village that you now call home.\n"); < 1243809314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243809318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll actually be like 390, I imagine < 1243809331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spurious line break due to using less < 1243809331 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i said, you're pushing it < 1243809344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: lemme look at reserator's manual < 1243809394 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does everyone like micro-atx boards < 1243809397 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tiny < 1243809414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: cuz it's tiny < 1243809422 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to have room to work < 1243809431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people like having space. < 1243809443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people aren't enthusiasts, or are buying a non-main pc < 1243809464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WATX for the win! < 1243809466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1243809478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1243809488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wtx is bigger atx < 1243809492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: eATX nowadays < 1243809505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1243809512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the name "workstation ATX" though < 1243809513 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigger is better < 1243809521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: so buy an eatx mobo < 1243809525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, always liked the word "workstation" < 1243809526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1243809534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compyootah < 1243809542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1243809542 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :workstation is kind of a dumb word < 1243809549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, oh? < 1243809551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: this manual is shit, it doesn't tell you how much heat it can dissipate < 1243809566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, "Sun Workstation". From the 80s. Sound so nice < 1243809570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: but i really don't want to diy :P < 1243809574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds* < 1243809579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(having said that it is now inevitable, such is my life) < 1243809580 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, now you can execute bf programs in my counterstrike source server < 1243809589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: Uh, wonderful. < 1243809591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I so want to do that. < 1243809597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hey fagut u suk" "wel ,[.,] to u" < 1243809601 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: like this Egobot here < 1243809609 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1243809612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe, errr < 1243809632 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why not? < 1243809632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh THAT counterstrike < 1243809649 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all our counters are on strike < 1243809650 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's written in the Pawn language, Soucemod < 1243809674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: more fuss & the reserator looks pretty & mounting a separate rad/pump would sort of be a pain and also feels more like just putting the whole computer there < 1243809684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that explains why this is a while loop instead of a for one! < 1243809711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Reserator V2 must be used with the provided G200 coolant. The use of other coolants with the Reserator V2 can cause damage to the Reserator V2 unit, as well as the CPU and VGA jackets." < 1243809715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft yeah right < 1243809721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tons of people don't use the stock coolant :) < 1243809725 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: from the 80s? right, with the three ms < 1243809736 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 megapixel display, 1 megabyte of ram, and 1 megabit of network < 1243809738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ms? < 1243809741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243809754 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: just put the computer in there < 1243809754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, and a whopping 25 MHz CPU! < 1243809761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: exactly, I don't want to do that < 1243809781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting a reserator makes me think "well let's just put the computer there" less than a separate pump/rad < 1243809785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psychology :) < 1243809811 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a really long daughterboard for the cpu < 1243809816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1243809817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1243809818 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just put the cpu across the wall :P < 1243809831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, up for some compiling again? < 1243809837 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1243809857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: buy your own i7 :) < 1243809861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I wish! < 1243809871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what‽ you would support EVIL MARKETING‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽ < 1243809879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am shocked, shocked < 1243809883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rage.kuonet.org/~anmaster/LostKng.b.c.gz < 1243809887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lostkng? < 1243809889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I wish I had that money... < 1243809889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's no benchmark < 1243809896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a naïve interp can start it fast < 1243809898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try mandelbrot < 1243809901 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lostking _again_? < 1243809905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but I can't compile it < 1243809905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1243809907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :locally < 1243809912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC OOMs < 1243809915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said before < 1243809916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: use clang < 1243809917 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what flags < 1243809921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, yes my compiler is much better now < 1243809930 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1243809939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, -march=k8-sse3 -O2 ? < 1243809941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: -march=i7 just to make him suffer :) < 1243809978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I pretty much hit the limit to what I can do to mandelbrot. A few more things. But that is it < 1243809988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no limit < 1243809997 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's only using a gigabyte of ram right now < 1243810004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well what I can see "AHA here we can optimise" < 1243810015 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, your compiler is better now < 1243810018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, oh? < 1243810021 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only took 51 seconds to compile < 1243810023 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@user-118bk5i.cable.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243810025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, nice < 1243810039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, I do polynomials now too < 1243810043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for add/set < 1243810052 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1243810057 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/bztuxu/a.out < 1243810088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :608K LostKing-new.O2 < 1243810088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,2M LostKing.O2 < 1243810089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw :P < 1243810097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I renamed from a.out) < 1243810112 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's pretty good < 1243810120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i think the best solution if it's >420w heat output is 3 reserators < 1243810127 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O2? < 1243810131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could handle >600W of heat < 1243810142 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's ridiculous < 1243810144 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to chain 3 < 1243810147 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :build your own < 1243810158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i don't want to build my own < 1243810158 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a reservator is like $200 < 1243810160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, didn't you say 2000 W+ < 1243810163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/+// < 1243810164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: miscalculated < 1243810169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh < 1243810178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: a dollar per watt < 1243810183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good value ;) < 1243810199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, yes? < 1243810208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, -O2 < 1243810214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to the -O3 one < 1243810224 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want -O3 too? < 1243810231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, no need < 1243810263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, currently I have lots to do on the new polynomial code... Since lots of other passes doesn't fully understand it... < 1243810275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is enough to make sure that it runs < 1243810281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and isn't buggy < 1243810285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, thanks a lot < 1243810331 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/wnygct/a.out -O3 < 1243810348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i'm sure that a reserator can dissipate more than 200W < 1243810363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it can do most things under 300W, someone said < 1243810370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if we say 250, 2 of them can dissipate 500W < 1243810375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fine for a 420W heat system < 1243810389 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/euzhf/a.out -Os < 1243810393 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Os is only half a meg < 1243810445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: ha, apparently some of the best standalone radiators only do like 180-580w < 1243810447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*250 < 1243810450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/ fans < 1243810457 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: point a house fan at it < 1243810458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1243810459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :608K LostKing-new.O2 < 1243810459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :612K LostKing-new.O3 < 1243810459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :508K LostKing-new.Os < 1243810459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,2M LostKing.O2 < 1243810459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,2M LostKing.O3 < 1243810461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1243810461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, ^ < 1243810465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: no fans. at all. < 1243810470 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not possible < 1243810480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only non-passive components allowed is an HD and a pump < 1243810488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: perfectly possible < 1243810499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as I have a hole in the case for minimal airflow for the few minimal heat components left < 1243810508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ just take out the exhaust fan grill < 1243810509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1243810591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, you could WC cool the HD maybe < 1243810601 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you can < 1243810603 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you shouldn't < 1243810610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, why not? < 1243810641 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hdds are more than sufficiently cooled with a slow fan < 1243810656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, that isn't passive < 1243810666 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither is watercooling < 1243810681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, yes. I want heatpipes + ssd < 1243810692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRUE passive computing < 1243811228 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1243811236 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1366 pins on an i7 < 1243811241 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf do you need all of those for < 1243811248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QPI iirc < 1243811357 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia says that takes 84 pins < 1243811371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, memory controller too < 1243811377 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on die < 1243811384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243811389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it needs to connect to memory < 1243811470 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, so that's 240 * 3 < 1243811482 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that takes most of it then < 1243811504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there is power, and various other things < 1243811704 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1243811733 0 :nooga!n=Freya@86-63-124-134.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1243811767 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: jag hittar en himmelsk drog < 1243811784 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not english < 1243811786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1243811793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, it is broken Swedish < 1243811801 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF ENGLISH WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR JESUS, IT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR #ESOTERIC < 1243811811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, :D < 1243811837 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: smygande < 1243811840 0 :darthnuri!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-167-7.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243811851 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain English is the best language ever < 1243811862 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: In case you didn't notice, I made egojoust use all lengths and polarities. < 1243811866 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for that English is unplain < 1243811880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, like GregorR's? < 1243811895 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm < 1243811913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have he stopped using the silly script? < 1243811919 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped :P < 1243811923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammar fail < 1243811924 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he stopped ;p < 1243811926 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1243811932 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243811937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, why? < 1243811948 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It started bothering me at least as much as everyone else :P < 1243811955 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my English is totally broken, but idc < 1243811956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1243812128 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:16:07] AnMaster: jag hittar en himmelsk drog < 1243812135 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't that be correct swedish? < 1243812143 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hittar jag ... ? < 1243812150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, well, just strange I guess < 1243812154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that context < 1243812160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hittade" would make more sense < 1243812161 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bork bork bork spaghetti bork bork bork. < 1243812166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it? < 1243812177 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's from a song by Kent < 1243812178 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1243812183 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1243812190 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the < 1243812195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the? < 1243812203 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tense < 1243812205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, by why? < 1243812208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who* < 1243812215 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't remember the english term :P < 1243812218 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had to wiki it < 1243812232 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9d3JqXr7fg that shit < 1243812236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, What is the Swedish term for it now again < 1243812238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1243812240 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brother is addicted to them < 1243812289 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tempus :P < 1243812307 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to sleep < 1243812312 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1243812330 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1243812413 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irnr0HPt5f0 this is quite nice < 1243812436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to bed too < 1243812447 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1243812451 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huhu < 1243812456 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's early < 1243813010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:17 GregorR-L: ehird: In case you didn't notice, I made egojoust use all lengths and polarities. ← yes, so I stopped working on my interp < 1243813031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:58 AnMaster: bsmntbombdood, yes. I want heatpipes + ssd ← tnn, stfu < 1243813048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tnn? < 1243813050 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Whaaaa, why? < 1243813074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: uh cuz yours does what mine was gonna? < 1243813085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: zalman totally no noise < 1243813089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heatpipes + case is radiator < 1243813091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what? < 1243813091 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yours was going to have proper expansionlessness :P < 1243813097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't run a non-low-powered system < 1243813104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so stop obsessing over it < 1243813106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm < 1243813111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, still nice :) < 1243813117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1243813118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1243813119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rubbish < 1243813129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watercooling is passive modulo pump < 1243813131 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "rubbish" is garbage. < 1243813131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, consider a recording studio < 1243813152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: recording studio people use quiet air cooled and watercooled pcs < 1243813156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you know how silent a pump is? < 1243813161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good one < 1243813173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inaudible to the human ear from just a tiny distance away, that's how queit < 1243813176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quiet < 1243813180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quieter than any fan < 1243813229 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pumps built into the human body are nearly silent while inhabiting that very human body. < 1243813242 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Like how useless my commentary is?) < 1243813246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about space. < 1243813255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: space? what? < 1243813255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you couldn't use fans there < 1243813260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that space < 1243813268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what about it < 1243813270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so use a pump instead < 1243813277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, satellites < 1243813280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so use a pump instead < 1243813284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't < 1243813285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, what? < 1243813297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: space is 4 kelvin < 1243813300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use heatpipes and pel-wahtever-elements a lot of he the time < 1243813302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job needing cooling in that < 1243813313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't mean directly in space? gee, then your argument's rubbish < 1243813315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um... the sunny side gets very hot < 1243813320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... no shit < 1243813334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so "you don't need cooling" is very wrong < 1243813343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in empty space < 1243813346 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243813359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: gtx 285 = 204W < 1243813361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, vacuum is a good insulator too. < 1243813369 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's odd < 1243813371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: = 344W total w/ i7 < 1243813381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not perfect vacuum of course < 1243813382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: 2 reserators would handle that and yawn as a sideproject < 1243813428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admit, though, that it would be nice to be able to handle a gtx 295. < 1243813450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is that nvidia or ati? < 1243813454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvidia < 1243813456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1243813467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ati cards tend to be a little less hot iirc < 1243813468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little < 1243813470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, no thanks < 1243813472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I thought they called them "geforce 9000" and such iirc < 1243813474 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1243813481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: up to the 9800gtx+ < 1243813490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but their high end gaming cards are named gtx 2?? < 1243813500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtx 260, gtx 275, gtx 285, gtx 295 < 1243813502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the current range, iirc < 1243813504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, great... I remember when it was simple Geforce 3 Geforce 4a < 1243813508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a$/ < 1243813509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1243813517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there's also a gts 250 < 1243813523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the s presumably stands for shitty < 1243813528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they list it with the gtxes < 1243813565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i like how this started with "stfu the reserator pwns" and is now "dude the reserator sucks diy it" < 1243813755 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1243813795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: < 1243813796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:25 ehird: http://www.zalman.co.kr/DataFile/product/RESERATOR-1-V2_01_b(0).jpg Combined pump, reservoir and... space heater. < 1243813798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:25 bsmntbombdood: ehird: stfu, that thing's awesome < 1243813800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to < 1243813808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:49 bsmntbombdood: build your own < 1243813863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i have a portable radiator/space heater behind me. think i should rip out the radiator and do it ghetto-style? :D < 1243813935 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1243813986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: THAT WAS A JOKE :( < 1243813994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: it probably can't even radiate much < 1243814027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: ...right? < 1243814036 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1243814048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it only has 3 heat settings. < 1243814290 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just take a hose, and throw away the waste water < 1243814301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i thought you said horse < 1243814314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: also, um, that's kind of expensive < 1243814321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to be refilling it every day :D < 1243814332 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a hose < 1243814342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also, bsmntbombdood, begs the question of what to hose it on to. < 1243814357 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a water outlet < 1243814363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1243814374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yer joking... right? < 1243814386 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1243814392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: i mean in general < 1243814395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the whole idea of using a hose.