< 1243900805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: wow that's trivial < 1243900813 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, if I have the time for it, GregorR < 1243900815 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-L < 1243900815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's die < 1243900816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not dice < 1243900819 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1243900824 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abcdefg < 1243900825 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acegfdb < 1243900848 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble ^scramble < 1243900848 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cabelmrs < 1243900868 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble ^cabelmrs < 1243900869 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble < 1243900869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Die; attr_accessor :sides; def initialize(sides); @sides = sides; end; def roll(n); (1..n).map {random n + 1}; end end < 1243900871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*end end < 1243900877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abbdbbd < 1243900877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1243900878 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abbdbdb < 1243900880 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, it doesn't listen to itself < 1243900885 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure, so I guess I should've written dic?e < 1243900892 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble !swedish butt < 1243900892 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!wds uttbhies < 1243900904 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unscramble !wds uttbhies < 1243900905 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish butt < 1243900905 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boott < 1243900909 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1243900923 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish ^scramble < 1243900923 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scremble-a < 1243900927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: add a compose command like lambdabot: < 1243900929 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it no works < 1243900932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!compose a b c d e < 1243900933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1243900935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!b c d e < 1243900938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, < 1243900940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!a < 1243900943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could combine like so: < 1243900951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!compose a compose b compose c d input < 1243900959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, name it . < 1243900965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!. a . b . c d input < 1243900966 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!. a . b < 1243900967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1243900967 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1243900970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!d input < 1243900972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c result < 1243900973 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1243900974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!b result < 1243900977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!a result < 1243900983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and print the result of a only < 1243900990 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet, EgoBot, not yet < 1243901006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: So, yeah < 1243901007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1243901584 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abboblob < 1243901584 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abboblob < 1243901670 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abacaba < 1243901671 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaabcb < 1243901674 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1243901674 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1243901696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ... 540p is HD? You're an HD person, so tell me. < 1243901706 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 540p is ED. < 1243901715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamespot says it's HD :P < 1243901723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gamespot is full of shit. < 1243901800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble occacaaac < 1243901801 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :occacaaac < 1243901873 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble ooccoo < 1243901873 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocooco < 1243902039 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to sleep, good night < 1243902047 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentlemen and bots < 1243902057 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1243902375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1243902432 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243902439 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't understand, what would compose do? < 1243902449 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pikhq: Hulu says 480p is HD. < 1243902457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Allow me to explain. < 1243902463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!compose a b c... < 1243902467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where c... means freeform text w/ spaces etc < 1243902468 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Which is bullshit. < 1243902471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Now, this is like the following: < 1243902474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : !b c < 1243902477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : result < 1243902480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : !a result < 1243902482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : result2 < 1243902483 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1243902485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1243902487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!compose a b c < 1243902489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would print result2 < 1243902491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: If 480p is HD, then most DVDs are HD. < 1243902496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: For example. < 1243902505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!compose scramble bf ,[.,]!Hello, world! < 1243902510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be the same as !scramble Hello, world! < 1243902517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: If you name compose ., it's more convenient to nest: < 1243902531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!. scramble . underload bf ,[.,]!(Hello, world!)S < 1243902533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geddit? < 1243902582 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah, I getsit. < 1243902589 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not right now though, I has shuff to do. < 1243902593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yar < 1243902598 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's g�d, I lieks lawl < 1243902633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1243902635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1243902669 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish That is good and I find it to be a genuinely good idea. < 1243902670 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thet is guud und I feend it tu be-a a genooeenely guud idea. Bork Bork Bork! < 1243902681 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brother's girlfriend has what appears to be a dead usb drive (computers aren't recognizing it when it's inserted); might any of you dudes have suggestions for data recovery? < 1243902729 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience: Your brother is just too embarrassed to tell you he has ED, so he's trying to be coy. His "USB drive" is "dead". < 1243902736 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lols < 1243902737 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usb flash drive, that is < 1243903405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience: usb "flash" drive < 1243903406 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1243903411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the "drive" he uses for flashing people < 1243903648 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, yeah < 1243903652 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :floppy drive, hard disk, etc. lols < 1243903656 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1243903663 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i referred her to a local data recovery place < 1243903678 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem like there's anything I can do, other than try to take it apart and resolder connections < 1243903683 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I'm sure they can do better than I can < 1243904030 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1243904447 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallo < 1243904720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1243905041 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoe gaat het met je? < 1243905086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1243906449 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243907657 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-167-7.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909274 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-135-212.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909331 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1243909538 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909538 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909539 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909539 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909539 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909562 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909562 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909562 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909574 0 :comex!i=comex@ool-457c3cbb.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909574 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909585 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243909605 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909605 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-82-69.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909605 0 :nescience!n=myndzi@71-35-114-236.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909605 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909608 0 :myndzi!i=myndzi@tengototen.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909628 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909628 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@mothball.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909628 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1243909635 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1243909756 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243910030 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1243910222 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-135-212.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243910448 0 :bsmntbombdood__!n=gavin@97-118-135-212.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243910489 0 :bsmntbombdood__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1243911375 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243911607 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243911664 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-135-212.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243912737 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243913183 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-171-202-185.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243915363 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-167-7.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243915527 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"The only thing I know is that I know nothing" < 1243916896 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1243917572 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1243919746 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243920222 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243920686 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243920686 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243920686 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243920687 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243920688 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243920749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243920789 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1243920943 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-075-182.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1243920955 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@s1.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1243921038 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Killed by reynolds.freenode.net (Nick collision) < 1243921039 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243921039 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1243921039 0 :kerlo!n=ihope@normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1243921045 0 :kerlo_!n=ihope@s1.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1243921082 0 :kerlo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1243921169 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-135-212.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243921171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243921438 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243921663 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exciting conversation going on here. < 1243921843 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243922421 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the netsplits, they kills us < 1243922775 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243923430 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should look up names of people that haven't logged in to #esoteric for years and hunt them down :P < 1243923956 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once upon a time on dalnet < 1243923965 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in ... 99? or so < 1243923971 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was in this channel with some dudes < 1243923977 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got sucked into mudding and neglected irc, when i came back they were gone < 1243923980 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(moved to efnet i guess) < 1243923986 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 5-6 years later < 1243923996 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone messaged me up with a quote from that time, asking if i was the same myndzi < 1243923997 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243924011 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cue nostalgia trip < 1243924122 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was back when ehird was, what, 5 years old, ehird? he was probably in here bitching about shit too. < 1243924146 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1243924149 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah blah blah monads blah blah blah bfjoust blah blah blah < 1243924154 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my nick dropped in that time < 1243924155 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever. < 1243924162 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a time before that too < 1243924165 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it only goes back to 2000 :( < 1243924726 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: did you take the quiz to find out which circle of hell you belong to? < 1243924729 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric : once upon a time on dalnet | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1243924736 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Uh, no? < 1243924787 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(malbolge) < 1243924800 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's malebolge tho, right? < 1243925021 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=202157420226 < 1243925158 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, GregorR is on Facebook. < 1243925191 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to send him a friend salutation, and he's going to deny it because he's not going to know who I am. < 1243925205 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not a salutation. A solicity. < 1243925225 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not a solicity. A solicitude. < 1243925533 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1243926077 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :............... < 1243926086 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I don't do FaceBook apps. < 1243926097 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I barely suffer FaceBook at all. < 1243926111 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads monads monads monads monads bfjoust monads < 1243926167 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Imperative imperative imperative imperative fyb imperative. < 1243926474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net" < 1243926876 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda, the ultimate sex toy. < 1243926913 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kappa, the penultimate. < 1243928337 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a monad monad monad monad monad monad monad monad monad monad monad monad BFJOUST BFJOUST < 1243928470 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1243928698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I'm stuck below native resolution on an old backup gfx card < 1243928716 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish AnMaster: What happened to your primary card? < 1243928717 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UnMester: Vhet heppened tu yuoor preemery cerd? Bork Bork Bork! < 1243928718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so be aware of that I'm rather irritated < 1243928774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1280x1024 on 1400x1050 isn't pretty. Trust me < 1243928804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, fan broke. Going to get the fan replaced today. < 1243928822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't trust himself to to that, thus going to leave it to pros.
< 1243928853 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish AnMaster: Sounds expensive. < 1243928854 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UnMester: Suoonds ixpenseefe-a. Bork Bork Bork! < 1243928906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, I can't read that !swedish one < 1243928908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1243928912 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither can anybody :P < 1243928930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, and 450 SEK for both new fan AND replacement of it. < 1243928934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show swedish < 1243928934 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh chef | xargs echo < 1243928937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1243928938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1243928951 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!google 450 sek in USD < 1243928952 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://google.com/search?q=450+sek+in+USD < 1243928966 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's not cheap. < 1243929016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, the card is an AGP based GeForce 7600 GS < 1243929042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old card I'm using now? < 1243929047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is some ATI shit < 1243929064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (rev 01) < 1243929066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that < 1243929076 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrugs* < 1243929081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so low end it doesn't even have a fan! < 1243929089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just a rather small heatsink < 1243929139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wish this screen could scale
< 1243929152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I could get a high res part in the middle instead < 1243929158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen that on some laptops for some reason < 1243929189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can't find any such feature in the menus on this monitor < 1243929599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1243929600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1243930797 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243930805 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243932030 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243932084 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243932173 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243933123 0 :Slereah!n=lereah@nanpc319.in2p3.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1243934125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1243934127 0 :calamari-!n=calamari@ip70-171-202-185.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243934159 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243934789 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish meatballs < 1243934790 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meetbells < 1243934821 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish meetbells < 1243934822 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meetbells < 1243934995 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Swedish < 1243934996 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Svedeesh < 1243935020 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ This is how Americans think that Swedish people talk. < 1243935051 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish über < 1243935052 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :über < 1243936248 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish hello < 1243936248 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellu < 1243936403 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243936403 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1243936455 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243936455 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1243936855 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@084202205021.customer.alfanett.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243937218 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243937284 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@c2391BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243937817 0 :calamari-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1243939068 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1243940450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, Americans are wrong? < 1243940497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzlet, Swedish doesn't have ü... < 1243940502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzlet, that is German < 1243940559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, and I can't figure out why it thinks "ball" would turn into "bell"... Rather it might turn into "båll" < 1243940588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that English a sound there is somewhere between our a sound and our å sound. < 1243940620 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Go to youtube.com and type "Swedish Chef", and you will understand :P < 1243940635 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not understand, but at least see X-P < 1243940680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about that < 1243940706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to me it sounds nothing like how a Swede bad at English would talk < 1243940755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, there are sounds in English that aren't in Swedish (and vice versa) but that "chef" one didn't get those right. < 1243940759 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm told that it's actually a hyper-extreme version of the accents of some areas of Minnesota, where Swedes immigrated and their accent later mixed and warped with the American one. < 1243940773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION challenges GregorR-L to pronounce "sju"
< 1243940782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sound not found in English. Or most other languages < 1243940822 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's all silliness, and has no bearing on real Swedish people, who to be honest in my experience are taught English from such a young age that they sound mostly like some mix of American and British English accents when speaking English :P < 1243940860 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Is "sju" just an "s" followed by "ju"? Or is there some sound we don't have that you can't spell? < 1243940889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ɧ < 1243940891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the sound < 1243940900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_palatal-velar_fricative < 1243940930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, so no it isn't < 1243940942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sj turns into the ɧ sound < 1243940957 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Its place of articulation is disputed (see below)." Wow < 1243940970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and u isn't the English u btw < 1243940977 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So even the name "Voiceless palatal-velar fricative" isn't sufficient for me to reproduce it :P < 1243940991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, I never needed a name to pronounce it! < 1243940996 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i just wanted to see how it handles < 1243941015 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, not having any other reference, and knowing in general what all those words mean, at least that gives me a hint. < 1243941032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, which is "I give up"? ;P < 1243941165 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh you crazy Swedes and your unique fricatives. < 1243941170 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least we Americans have our schwer. < 1243941180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"schwer"? < 1243941182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1243941208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aspell doesn't think that word exists < 1243941211 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'r' sound in "blur" when pronounced with an American accent. < 1243941216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but then it is set to en-GB so :P) < 1243941227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, the "Texas r"? < 1243941249 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhh, no? In the south they /don't/ have the schwer :P < 1243941256 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes they do, but less often. < 1243941289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, Western movie? Texas sound. They mess up lots of stuff < 1243941290 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1243941297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including r and a < 1243941326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, btw about r sound: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_phonology#.2Fr.2F-realizations_and_the_retroflexes < 1243941333 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that you're describing an accent as "messing up lots of stuff" :P < 1243941341 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243941346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, compared to Oxford English yeah :P < 1243941370 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Americans have our own English. < 1243941375 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with Oxford being in England :P < 1243941376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1243941392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, I'm surprised there isn't any "New Oxford" :P < 1243941402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe there is? < 1243941425 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably somewhere, but not of any significance. < 1243941432 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see schwer there. Schwer is a vowel, btw. < 1243941453 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :schwa? < 1243941462 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schwa is the non-r-colored variant, yes. < 1243941480 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, more accurately, schwer is the r-colored variant of schwa :P < 1243941493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I can't stand this 1280x1024 on 1400x1050 monitor thing.... So I'm going to be mostly afk < 1243941502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before I get a headache from it < 1243941525 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that's extreme. < 1243941541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, ? < 1243941561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, it is VGA too. Doesn't help. < 1243941566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VGA cable I mean < 1243941572 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahyuh < 1243941578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, ? < 1243941581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1243941582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, ^ < 1243941590 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was making an affirmative sound :P < 1243941609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, but with the nvidia card, and at native res, vga works just fine < 1243941614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that is all the monitor has < 1243941652 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Analog does not deserve the pariah status it's got. < 1243941659 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still pretty bad ^^ < 1243941690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, it is worse on this card for some reason < 1243941790 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vga on crt is fine < 1243941797 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vga on tft is often really bad < 1243941824 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRT is an analog technology. < 1243941830 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1243941838 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That was a very "duh" statement) < 1243941968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvi on crt! < 1243941969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243941975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would need conversion in the monitor < 1243941997 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as would vga on tft < 1243942009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but that is rather common < 1243942019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while dvi on crt... I never heard of it < 1243942028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, anyway vga on tft usually works fine < 1243942041 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well i guess with better tfts it's ok < 1243942055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, "Acer AL2017" is what I have < 1243942068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here it depends very much on the graphic card in use < 1243942072 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :messing with the VGA settings on my monitor produces some awesome results < 1243942080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, oh? < 1243942096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome as in good or awesome as in spectacular? < 1243942114 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not that great < 1243942163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, with spectacular I meant "spectacular like holding a magnet close to a CRT" kind of spectacular < 1243942224 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of a shimmering horizontal sine wave, if I look at the right bitmap < 1243942236 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(alternating black/white in both directions) < 1243942293 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also does with things on both VGA and DVI if I fill some of the white pixels with black, they look green and blue instead < 1243942300 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird things, that is < 1243942302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, I always had crystal clear results after one click on auto button displaying a black/white checker pattern with each square the size of 1 pixel < 1243942321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I never need to rerun auto unless I change the graphic card as I did now < 1243942378 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rarely perfect with my monitor, unfortunately, there's usually a blue-green-red gradient < 1243942473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, never had that issue < 1243942482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, are you sure you are using a shielded cable btw? < 1243942511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also I never had such an issue with my previous Syncmaster 171B, which also was vga-only..) < 1243942621 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe mine is a syncnovice < 1243942636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1243942675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, but anyway good cable helps. Usually thicker cables are better. Probably due to the extra thickness being more shielding < 1243942679 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an unshielded cable, but I thought that mostly prevented interference, or possibly ghosting? < 1243942690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not suggesting "monstercable" style here. Just good shielded cable < 1243942714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, strange are the ways of electromagnetism... < 1243944506 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Gee, you're not logged in. < 1243944615 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243945885 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1243946677 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, is PESOIX or PSOX widely used? < 1243947274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard of "PESOIX" before < 1243947287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think PSOX is *widely* used at least < 1243947380 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PESOIX is the one mentioned in this page: http://jonripley.com/easel/ < 1243947390 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an extension to EsoAPI. < 1243947457 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dudens. < 1243947474 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I put two graphics on the same level in LaTeX? < 1243947528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done that... Hm *tries to remember where and/or how* < 1243948284 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i have designed this one: http://lifthrasiir.jottit.com/exe it is certainly duplicated effort, though. :S < 1243949239 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-31-231.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1243949461 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1243950135 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-31-231.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1243950636 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1243951145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, this would be mostly for BF I guess? < 1243951192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, because handling null bytes will be a PTIA in many esolangs. < 1243951194 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't think so... well, with an exception of funge-98. < 1243951260 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what's PTIA? < 1243951297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PITA = Pain in the Back (you can figure out what the last word should be yourself < 1243951298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1243951316 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay. < 1243951356 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you give me actual example? i cannot imagine such one. < 1243951358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, also, doesn't null byte collide with how EOF is handled? That is: , returns 0 on EOF < 1243951375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, what about underload? Though that one doesn't have input... < 1243951397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be hard in Taxi too < 1243951402 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: byte-oriented I/O should sufficient, i think. < 1243951425 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not universal though < 1243951429 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as you pointed out) < 1243951441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, which several of esolangs lack. Some have printable char ones, some have whole string ones. and some lack IO at all of course < 1243951473 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1243951475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, what about this: Split the thing in two parts < 1243951482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One frontend, and one backend < 1243951490 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with proper mapping? < 1243951494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the frontend could be replaced to fit the type of IO used < 1243951504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically just defines encoding scheme < 1243951514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the backend implements the actual functions and calls < 1243951527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so frontend should be called "protocol" probably < 1243951531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than "frontend" < 1243951543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, see what I mean? < 1243951561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then if language can't output null bytes you can use a different protocol or such < 1243951562 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what i'm considering now, but i have no idea about I/O based on printable character only. < 1243951603 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that'd be quite hard to find the good protocol for them. < 1243951613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I remember seeing some esolang that you couldn't print chars not in the source in, and where chars in source had to be printable (with exception of newline) < 1243951624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember name though... < 1243951653 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for example, how about invocation sequence? PLEASEENABLEEXEVERSION0? :p) < 1243951680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, that would probably have to be defined by the protocol yes < 1243951693 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems too hard. < 1243951697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1243951703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :protocol would need to define: < 1243951711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :activation sequence < 1243951724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to call function. < 1243951734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :encoding/decoding of function calls and their parameters < 1243951785 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how to retrieve the return value, of course. < 1243951793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes of course < 1243951816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, I guess that always using STDIO would be a good idea < 1243951837 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for function call? < 1243951847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for talking to process in general? < 1243951865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean. Most langs that can talk with anything in any way have stdio < 1243951873 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's intended < 1243951875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those that doesn't have stdio tends to lack, uh tcp and such too < 1243951888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would however be funny with an esolang with tcp but no stdio support < 1243951900 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I/O thingy are for doing arbitrary I/O with _only_ stdio. < 1243951912 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. remapping stdin/stdout to arbitrary source/sink) < 1243951942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, yeah. Anyway parameters could have to be encoded as ASCII or whatever. < 1243951987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The open mode is ORed value of the following flags: <-- hm I guess that is ok if protocol part could read it as ascii and then convert to integer < 1243951993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similiar < 1243952020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is leaving enough freedom for the the protocol module without making it too freeform and complex < 1243952027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I agree isn't easy to pull off < 1243952028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1243952112 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i have to encode byte as integer followed by one space, like Funge "." command. < 1243952784 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeholdMyGlory: is #<$+1?=[4]<$+1?=[3] valid migol code? < 1243952876 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohnoes... < 1243952894 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i extended the view of an array of 120000 items in firebug... :/ < 1243953012 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Judofyr < 1243953063 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that was invalid, thus general statement is form of TARGET{<[OP]VALUE}[?OP VALUE]. < 1243953079 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(guess what? i'm trying to make migol interpreter.) < 1243955333 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1243956805 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-127.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1243957379 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, AMD has 6 core chips now. < 1243957404 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That means the uberrig has an additional 16 cores. :p < 1243957821 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: what language? C(++)? < 1243957828 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C. < 1243958001 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, just be prepared that the specification is going to change a bit in the near future, regarding I/O < 1243958053 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeholdMyGlory: exactly what? i'm curious. < 1243958055 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how* < 1243958082 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how it's going to work < 1243958098 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really remember, I'll have to wait 'till MigoMipo gets online < 1243958149 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. < 1243958219 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC hex numbering will be introduced (with x prefix, should be valid everywhere where decimal numbers are), and the syntax was something in the lines of &(number1)/(number2) < 1243958260 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where (number1) is a number related to a command (input, output), and (number2) is a pointer to an array of memory slots which the command may use < 1243958294 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. printing and supplying &id/3 (I don't remember the particular ID), would print the char at cell 3 < 1243958316 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I believe output will be manually flushed, although I'm not 100% certain < 1243958369 0 :mtd!n=martin@ops-13.xades.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243958369 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah. < 1243958480 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1<48,2<60,3<49,4<44,...,71<62,72<91,73<91,74<48,75<93,76<93,0<1,[0]>-,'<>,[[0]]>-,',>,0<$+1,#<$-5?<>[[0]],0<1,[[0]]>,0<$+1,#<$-2?<>[[0]] < 1243958484 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple quine. < 1243958514 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i recall the feeling of programming in kipple...) < 1243958561 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I was trying to create a quine in Migol, but never succeeded < 1243958572 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I don't really have much experience of quines < 1243958608 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that really a working quine? :O add that to the wiki! < 1243958639 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! :p < 1243958647 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"..."? < 1243958679 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: well, many quines have general structure; storing the data, printing that data twice in the different representation. < 1243958708 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this example, 1<48,...76<93 sets up the memory to contain the following code. < 1243958731 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1243958757 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the following code prints the memory once in form of "addr doesn't give a good line wrap with the /// one < 1243961230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if this is very browser dependent
< 1243961238 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-169.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1243961302 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, sorry for the incoherent URLs to the Migol interpreter, by the way < 1243961314 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to structure my stuff better < 1243961496 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243961512 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea is that, for a "complete" platform, 3 things are needed: 1. Algorithms, 2.Data structures and 3. I/O. < 1243961526 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 and 2 can be done in Migol. Sort of. < 1243961554 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MigoMipo: hello. < 1243961559 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I/O is done, it should be possibly to write, for example, a HTTP server in Migol. < 1243961589 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, advanced I/O is missing in many, possibly most esolangs; they only provide standard input and output. < 1243961615 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Yes, but advanced I/O makes it more interesting. < 1243961629 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that most esolangs lack it makes it even cooler. < 1243961651 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still believe we should keep a lighter version < 1243961659 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree on FireFly too. < 1243961679 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still find the idea with heavier I/O interesting, so it could be a separate version? < 1243961696 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I could have a Migol Standard Console Edition and a Migol Bloated Enterprise Edition. < 1243961702 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1243961761 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously all esolangs should have an FFI. < 1243961770 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MigoMipo: first thing i would suggest is replacing "value>" output statement with "[@] ::= "(" ")" | "[" "]" | epsilon. That obviously has a stack. < 1243966482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. English isn't context-free, but not for that reason... < 1243966510 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, English will always have its irregularities. < 1243966518 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: but you can have a stack that is linear with the length i think.... < 1243966520 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And incontextfreeities. < 1243966524 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in english) < 1243966534 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: not if you want people to understand you. < 1243966596 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: but that is a stupid restriction < 1243966612 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People being able to understand you? No, it's not. :-P < 1243966620 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can't formalize it in any sane way i'd say < 1243966632 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can formalize English in any sane way. < 1243966652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you can. Just grab a Turing machine. < 1243966657 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and go insane. < 1243966661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That helps a lot. < 1243966675 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making theories about it, on the other hand, is easy for both English and understanding of English. < 1243966680 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rings a Fibonacci bell.
< 1243966690 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For loose definitions of "easy".) < 1243966729 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders English phrases with large stacks.
< 1243966755 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about garden path sentences? < 1243966765 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders garden path sentences.
< 1243966783 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "the old man the boat" < 1243966943 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The old man..." has multiple parsings, I guess, and you have to keep track of them. < 1243966988 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION opens up lynx and searches for garden path sentences.
< 1243967010 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Welcome to Xubuntu"? I had no idea I was running that. < 1243967044 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, the major problem is that english appears to be outside of DCFL < 1243967154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DCFL? < 1243967169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1243967171 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deterministic context free languages < 1243967171 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION opens Wikipedia in Lynx and sees lots of "v o d o e".
< 1243967179 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can be parsed with a deterministic stack automaton < 1243967184 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: I expanded it after hitting enter. < 1243967190 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1243967204 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-213.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1243967326 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the only stack-expanding word that comes to mind is the 'that' of 'I want that you come'. < 1243967339 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION immediately realizes he's using 's instead of "s.
< 1243967436 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this opens the doors for mayhem like "i want that you want that i want that you want that i come" < 1243967738 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1243967791 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not nearly as stack-expanding as it could be. < 1243967803 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be treated linearly. < 1243968426 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-115-005.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1243969135 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243969171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: N-buffalo sentences, though... < 1243969198 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also linear, I think. < 1243969212 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1243969223 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo. I think. < 1243969234 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's not right, it's because I picked a non-linear way to expand. < 1243969252 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's not right, it's because I was standing on the shoulders of giants. < 1243969311 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now for a definition! "Linear" might mean "either left-branching or right-branching", as opposed to both-ways-branching. < 1243969334 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck. Is there a regular expression that produces the N-buffalo sentences for all N? < 1243969350 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regular expressions are totally linear. < 1243969397 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, regular expressions can parse halflife2? < 1243969432 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be ridiculous. Exponential decay is exponential, not linear. < 1243969609 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243970057 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1243970363 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. IPA in lynx displays as SAMPA. < 1243970427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1243970438 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Kirshenbaum. < 1243970543 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: Whoa. < 1243970730 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the missing part of that sentence is "on Wikipedia". < 1243970755 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Congratulations to all who guessed correctly.) < 1243970832 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find the ä sound, as in "Autistic law, Paw, walks tall." < 1243971354 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The saw caught the law." < 1243971372 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's O in Kirshenbaum. < 1243971373 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1243971444 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPA, it's a turned c. < 1243971552 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1243971561 0 :tetha!n=hk@pD950F92A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243973312 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1243973502 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-191.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1243973832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Heck. Is there a regular expression that produces the N-buffalo sentences for all N? < 1243973849 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you define the N-buffalo sentences for us? < 1243973914 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles just in case
< 1243974156 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo."? < 1243974181 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1243974206 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{[buffalo from Buffalo] that [buffalo from Buffalo] [bully]} bully {[buffalo from Buffalo] that [buffalo from Buffalo] [bully]} < 1243974231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In English, a sentence composed of N instances of "buffalo" is a valid sentence for any value of N greater than 0. < 1243974249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that < 1243974249 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1243974265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are N-buffalo sentences. < 1243974266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was implied < 1243974282 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't tell _how_ you make them, especially with correct capitalization < 1243974282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why did you ask for a definition? < 1243974297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1243974313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tad bit more complex to do with correct capitalisation. < 1243974315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i need a context-free grammar first if i'm supposed to tell if it's regular... < 1243974421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh. < 1243974586 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. In "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo", the production rules are... < 1243974599 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "buffalo" < 1243974610 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "Buffalo" < 1243974619 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm my bfjoust debugger starts to get usable :) < 1243974624 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "buffalo" < 1243974634 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "buffalo" < 1243974636 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fin) < 1243974662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't cover the 1-buffalo sentence. < 1243974667 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, this leads to silly regexes like /(Buffalo )* buffalo buffalo./ < 1243974687 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo Buffalo buffalo are just Buffalo buffalo. < 1243974700 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: i don't feel a Buffalo prefix can be repeated < 1243974702 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you adjust the rules for that? < 1243974729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: Buffalo Buffalo buffalo == Bully buffalo from buffalo. < 1243974732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest ::= "Buffalo buffalo" instead < 1243974737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/buffalo./Buffalo./ < 1243974768 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you do < 1243974768 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "Buffalo" < 1243974768 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= < 1243974794 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and define restriced noun phrase accordingly? < 1243974794 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps. < 1243974818 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "buffalo> < 1243974831 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "Buffalo" < 1243974842 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "buffalo" < 1243974850 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= < 1243974860 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "buffalo" < 1243974869 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "buffalo" < 1243974871 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fin) < 1243974881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, why the second last one? < 1243974887 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "Buffalo" < 1243974939 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why rnp needs to contain anything but "buffalo" < 1243975022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : becomes the same strings anyway < 1243975050 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: < 1243975060 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "buffalo" < 1243975085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= "Buffalo buffalo" | "buffalo" | "buffalo" < 1243975192 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last production of is the only thing that might make it non-regular < 1243975287 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm cannot produce an even number of lower-case buffaloes < 1243975391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all this neglects that a n-buffalo sentence is initially capitalised. < 1243975401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1243975427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not going to change regularity though, i think < 1243975440 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. Just changes the specifics. < 1243975646 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle1 (>[-[-[-[+]]]]+>[+[+[+[-]]]]-)*40 < 1243975654 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix__wiggle1: 29.5 < 1243975688 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jix < 1243975698 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle1 (>[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]-)*40 < 1243975706 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle1: 32.9 < 1243975897 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= ( "buffalo")*, ::= "Buffalo buffalo" | "buffalo" < 1243976061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like parenthesis matching if you could change any ( to a ) < 1243976069 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle1 (>)*5(>[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]-)*40 < 1243976077 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle1: 14.3 < 1243976086 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle1 (>)*2(>[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]-)*40 < 1243976094 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle1: 24.3 < 1243976100 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle1 (>[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]-)*40 < 1243976108 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle1: 29.5 < 1243976207 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiggle waggle shake and < 1243976453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1243976454 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 (>[-[-[-[++++[+]->[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]]->[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]]->[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]]->[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]]->[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]+)*15 < 1243976463 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 25.1 < 1243976565 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 (>[-[-[-[++++[+]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]-)*15" < 1243976573 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 20.1 < 1243976615 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243976657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: (Buffalo buffalo)^n from the start cannot contain the end of any non-trivial noun phrase. it will take about n/2 "buffalo" just to end those, which cannot be encoded in finite state. Thus not regular. I think. < 1243976695 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe add one more Buffalo first to take care of capitalization. < 1243976701 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 (>[-[-[-[++++[+]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]->[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]->[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]->[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]->[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]]+>[+[+[+[----[-]]]]]->[-[-[-[++++[+]]]]]-)*15 < 1243976710 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 19.4 < 1243976714 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1243976765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/about/at least/ < 1243976811 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 (>[-[-[+++[+]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]-)*15 < 1243976820 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 26.7 < 1243976858 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm make that n < 1243976885 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 (>[-[-[+++[+]+>[+[+[---[-]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]-)*10 < 1243976893 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 34.0 < 1243976945 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as soon as you show that you need to remember a number of character which depends on the input somehow, you are done, as it is not possible in finite state, so n or n/2 or something like that is only a technical detail < 1243977008 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 >+>+>->->->(>[-[-[+++[+]+>[+[+[---[-]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]+>[+[+[---[-]]]]]->[-[-[+++[+]]]]-)*9 < 1243977016 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 38.9 < 1243977038 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: of course < 1243977234 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh what i'm doing is basically what shade is doing... < 1243977238 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only that shade is doing it better... < 1243977250 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah my debugger is usefull by now < 1243977268 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but will have to polish it a bit before releasing < 1243977285 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe do something that allows monster programs to be "compiled" faster < 1243977414 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait i think i'm doing it better... now < 1243977428 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i don't use enough steps < 1243977586 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, genetic algorithms + bf joust < 1243977798 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there still remains the question of whether those buffaloes can be herded into a deterministic PDA, or even just an unambiguous grammar... < 1243977839 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yacc-magicians can answer that better than I can < 1243977881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaccs, buffaloes, what's the difference < 1243978032 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this language has no non-trivial forbidden prefix < 1243978133 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1243978322 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1243978376 0 :cherez1!n=cherez@69.76.143.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243978389 0 :cherez1!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1243978437 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 >-(>+)*4>(>([-)*5[(+)*6[+(]->([+)*5[(-)*6[-)*2(])*8+(>([+)*5[(-)*6[-(])*8-)*3>([+)*5[(-)*6[-(])*8+(>([-)*5[(+)*6[+(])*8-)*2>([-)*5[(+)*6[+(]-(>([+)*5[(-)*6[-(])*8+)*2>([-)*5[(+)*6[+(])*7)*2]+>([+)*5[(-)*6[-(])*8+>([-)*5[(+)*6[+]->([+)*5[(-)*6[-(])*8(+>([-)*5[(+)*6[+(])*8)*2->([-)*5[(+)*6[+(])*8->([+)*5[(-)*6[-(])*8(->([-)*5[(+)*6[+(])*8)*2(+>([+)*5[(-)*6[-])*2(])*7(+>([+)*5[(-)*6[-(])*8->([-)*5[(+)*6[+(])*8)*2+>([+)*5 < 1243978443 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 0.0 < 1243978448 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1243978450 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1243978495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([+)*5 is not particularly useful at the end < 1243978508 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it got cut then < 1243978525 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this BFJoust thing is absurd. >| < 1243978581 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is your FACE < 1243978591 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1243978599 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d44ba4d2 < 1243978607 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 24.1 < 1243978663 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1243978695 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did something happen to the scoring again? < 1243978705 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems strange to me < 1243978711 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otoh i'm changing quite a lot in my program with each try < 1243978729 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 0.0 was irc cutting of my program < 1243978791 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d1fe166c4 < 1243978799 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 36.0 < 1243978815 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbalanced ()* looks hard to read... < 1243978897 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees a ([-)*5[(+)*6[+(])*8 in there
< 1243978917 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well but the interpreter accepts it < 1243978921 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's program generated anyway < 1243978925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even balanced < 1243978936 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said it was cut by irc < 1243978949 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: only because GregorR-L couldn't manage to do the efficient ({}) without expanding < 1243978955 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i know < 1243978959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that fragment < 1243978973 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only reason i did this at all was to get the code short enough for irc < 1243978981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1243979010 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought ({})% was shorter than splitting it up... < 1243979012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1243979024 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't have ({})% in my code < 1243979034 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just did some repeated string => ()* replacement < 1243979043 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code itself is completely unrolled < 1243979052 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a{b}c)%n vs. (a)*nb(c)*n < 1243979053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1243979193 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://nopaste.org/p/aWqgSqGndb/txt < 1243979204 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 39.6 < 1243979329 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://nopaste.org/p/azHq8yTRkb < 1243979332 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1243979336 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 0.0 < 1243979342 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://nopaste.org/p/azHq8yTRkb/txt < 1243979351 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 42.1 < 1243979848 0 :tombom_!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1243979858 0 :adu!n=ajr@pool-173-79-52-2.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243979866 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1243979884 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was looking for a good subset. < 1243979963 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerlo_: well then Buffalo (buffalo)* should do nicely... < 1243979973 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1243979987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1243979994 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that even/odd thing < 1243980018 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo buffalo buffalo. Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo. Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo. < 1243980022 0 :kerlo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are all valid. < 1243980042 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://nopaste.com/p/aBPObTXOlb/txt < 1243980046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1243980052 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 30.4 < 1243980061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the capitalization neutralizes the even/odd distinction < 1243980093 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the odd ones don't really use the city < 1243980101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the even ones only once, first < 1243980201 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://nopaste.com/p/aJLB4WVu9/txt < 1243980206 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any instance of buffalo as a noun can be replaced by three copies < 1243980210 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 30.8 < 1243980211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the shortest Buffalo sentence that's ambiguous? < 1243980218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first two still being nouns) < 1243980243 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the five one at least < 1243980247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^ < 1243980274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, agreed < 1243980284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the five sentence has ambiguous associativity < 1243980317 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the four one only if we ignore capitalization < 1243980482 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://nopaste.com/p/aVY5DjSAD/txt < 1243980491 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 45.2 < 1243980634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, Firefox 3 just overtook IE6 < 1243980653 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm how do defend6 and 7 work? < 1243980669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: tripwire, followed by attempting to trap the opponent in a [+] or [-] loop < 1243980669 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2*Buffalo sentence is ambiguous in english. < 1243980671 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just so you know. < 1243980686 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and how does it win? < 1243980690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 uses decoys, apart from that there's no difference < 1243980698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it wins by leaving the opponent stuck in [+] or [-] on its flag < 1243980705 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1243980710 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: we were using kerlo's grammar < 1243980715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternating between defending the flag (preventing it being 0 twice in a row), and attacking < 1243980724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it gradually zeroes all possible enemy flags while defending its own < 1243980728 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: As is the 1-Buffalo sentence. < 1243980743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is that even a sentence? < 1243980747 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 1-buffalo sentence isnt ambiguous unles you accept fragments. < 1243980748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1243980751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need an exclamation mark, at least < 1243980757 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an imperative < 1243980775 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Buffalo." as in "You go buffalo someone" < 1243980786 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but theres no other interpretation of it as a sentence. < 1243980797 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Buffalo!" < 1243980805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in the city or the animal. < 1243980821 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://nopaste.com/p/aJlGw7KYJ/txt < 1243980823 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in not a sentence. < 1243980829 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 19.6 < 1243980833 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a sentence fragment < 1243980836 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically its just an NP. < 1243980849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: go back to the old one, and use a different name for test programs < 1243980861 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a test program < 1243980865 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1243980866 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tombom < 1243980880 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until know i got better score with each edit or each edit sequence of two < 1243980894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: a program that comes fourth is not a test program, even if it was meant to be < 1243980896 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1243980911 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle2 http://nopaste.com/p/aVY5DjSAD/txt < 1243980920 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle2: 40.5 < 1243980927 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1243980948 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't it bad to fill the hill with test programs? < 1243980952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's interesting to see how speedy19 has dropped off and speedy0 hasn't; they were neck and neck (although against different programs) last I looked < 1243980952 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just happen to be above average? < 1243980958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: It's a minor sentence and an exclamation. ;) < 1243980967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they won't fill the hill if they aren't good < 1243980969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or I'm just wrong) < 1243980972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they are, they don't count as test programs < 1243980973 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not a minor sentence, its a bare NP. < 1243980993 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how should i know before ^^ it's not that i test them locally < 1243981003 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no such thing as a "minor sentence" anyway. < 1243981017 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should do that... < 1243981057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if psygnisfive has never heard someone exclaim at seeing something with a single word.
< 1243981073 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So did the scoring change again or did the programs just change so much as to re-mess-up the rankings? < 1243981073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: well, one possibility upon submitting a test program and it doing very well is to clear it from the hill with <, then submitting an identical program with a non-test name < 1243981073 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have seen people exclaim things, pikhq, but that doesnt make it a sentence < 1243981079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: just program change < 1243981082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hill is rather dynamic < 1243981090 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if pikhq realizes he's arguing with a linguist
< 1243981101 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm somewhat surprised how much monorail dropped < 1243981107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think your definition of a sentence sucks. < 1243981111 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From 6.x points to -1.1 < 1243981116 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you dont know what a sentence is. < 1243981121 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if psygnisfive realizes he's arguing with a pikhq
< 1243981144 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good point. never argue with amateurs who don't realize they're amateurs. :( < 1243981166 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I realise I'm an amateur. I just like being contrary. < 1243981186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION didn't know he was making a point
< 1243981196 0 :adu!n=ajr@pool-173-79-52-2.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1243981215 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now pikhq, see, if you WEREN'T an amateur, you would be capable of saying something like, oh "well sure, its an NP, or it LOOKS that way, but really its a sentence that had the NP evacuated from the VP and then had the rest of the content elided!" < 1243981223 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something similar < 1243981281 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm now i have to add a nontrappable [] < 1243981337 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the interpreter support (foo(bar{baz}fn)%10ord)*10 ? < 1243981350 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can't i put ({})% inside ()* < 1243981370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes on calling "Buffalo!" a sentence because it works as one in the minds of everyone but a linguist
< 1243981379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: putting ({})% inside ()* ought to work < 1243981384 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it doesnt work in the mind of everyone < 1243981384 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bloody prescriptionist. :p) < 1243981388 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an imperative, it works fine < 1243981408 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but noone accepts "buffalo" as anything other than a bare NP in the other interpretation < 1243981428 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hrrm trapping someone in [+] or [-] is unfair ;) < 1243981429 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore, you cant be prescriptivist about the structural analyses you make because they're analyses, not observations. < 1243981432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: why? < 1243981441 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thirdly, call me a prescriptivist again and ill hunt you down and rape you. < 1243981443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, parses to me as "(Look,) bufallo!" < 1243981447 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (not serious... hence the smiley) < 1243981454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend9 can trap people in about 12 different sorts of loops; but it isn't doing as well for some reason < 1243981458 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's just that as soon as you're trapped... it's to late < 1243981459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because it's having trouble detecting < 1243981468 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1243981474 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Look,) buffalo!" < 1243981476 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: thats the interpretation of the utterance, yes < 1243981481 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that does not make it a sentence < 1243981499 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is this thing called pragmatics, and the maxim of relevance, which allows people to calculate an enormous amount of stuff < 1243981552 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so you're saying it's not a sentence, but our brains are absurdly flexible with it's handling of language, so it manages to (usually) work, basically. < 1243981553 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in this particular case, a bare NP + maxim of relevance can be interpreted (CONTEXTUALLY) as intending to communicate the existence of the NP. < 1243981569 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not absurdly flexible, just sufficiently flexible. < 1243981603 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can observe this by considering the enormous range of contexts in which just "Buffalo" is acceptable as a response to, say, a question < 1243981625 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the interpretation of the bare NP, as an utterance, is NOT an assertion of the existence of a buffalo < 1243981628 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1243981636 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What should we have for dinner?" "Buffalo wings." < 1243981643 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Where should we go on vacation?" "Buffalo" < 1243981646 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/ahoQwZcHz/txt < 1243981651 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm just going to hate natural languages for making less sense than programming languages and shaddup. < 1243981653 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What species is that?" "Buffalo." < 1243981654 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1243981659 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 22.1 < 1243981683 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if you learned some linguistics you'd realize that they make a whole lot of sense, actually. < 1243981697 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this stuff about bare NPs and such isnt so much a linguistic fact as a human fact < 1243981720 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its just part of a broader cognitive capacity that we have for analyzing peoples actions < 1243981721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw you and your knowing-stuff. :p < 1243981761 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural language, by itself, is quite elegant and beautiful. < 1243981815 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk cooking crepes. < 1243981839 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, pikhq, learn about modern syntax. its cool. < 1243981850 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wellnowwhat.net/blog/?p=93 < 1243981875 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I've got something to read after I finish Dr. McNinja, then. < 1243981878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1243981959 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part on structuralism and formal languages you probably already understand so you could probably skip it < 1243981973 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atleast read the structuralism part < 1243982010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright. Thanks for the suggestion of something to read that'll make me sound *slightly* less ignorant about this. < 1243982041 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the series im writing is really just about contemporary syntax frameworks < 1243982060 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt discuss detailed issues, nor does it really look at ling methodology < 1243982079 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus "slightly". < 1243982083 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah. < 1243982087 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its cool tho. < 1243982088 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1243982089 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1243982096 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ĝis. < 1243982097 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha wiggle2 is like 5 times as large as the next smaller one... < 1243982113 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wiggle3 is almost 8 times as large as wiggle2 < 1243982162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads wiggle2
< 1243982177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, wow < 1243982182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure that can't be abbreviated? < 1243982196 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that efficiently i guess < 1243982200 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) i'm randomizing stuff < 1243982229 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) i have no point b right now < 1243982236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1243982288 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the recursive pattern isn't in a way it would be obvious for me on how to efficiently and syntactic legally write this abbreviated < 1243982304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: was your question about defend6/7 because you wanted to find a way to beat them? < 1243982315 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1243982321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I notice lots of [+] and [-] in your program) < 1243982325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by next week the top-of-the-hill BF Joust programs should need to be sentient. < 1243982342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, sentient BF Joust might be interesting < 1243982345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans playing < 1243982354 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1243982360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your turn, you can do + - < > or look at whether the current tape element is 0 < 1243982373 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be awesomeish < 1243982383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be rather boring, I imagine < 1243982433 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people play rock paper scissors... < 1243982458 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm most of the code of wiggle2 will never be executed < 1243982486 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i try to minimize the amount of times i have to go through a long run of ]]] < 1243982568 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you could need rather _huge_ programs if you try to avoid ]] < 1243982585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing loops by nesting ifs... < 1243982599 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically that's what i'm doing < 1243982622 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the outer loops really are just ifs... because the closing condition will always be false < 1243982660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a variation without that problem would be to say that ] takes no time, but jumps to _before_ the corresponding [ < 1243982672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: "always" is generally a bad thing to think in BF Joust < 1243982682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the first 10 or so cycles, anything could happen < 1243982687 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah < 1243982719 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe i'm better off checking it twice before doing the shortcut recursion stuff < 1243982720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait that may not work < 1243982735 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: won't < 1243982753 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the same < 1243982758 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: basically ] should skip to the next non ] instruction in case of 0 for me < 1243982908 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1243983175 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243983220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH, I think allowing BF Joust to have a conditional goto instruction wouldn't change the game at all, but would make programs a lot shorter < 1243983728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1243983748 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1243983752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird_ < 1243984236 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:46 AnMaster: GregorR-L, fan broke. Going to get the fan replaced today. < 1243984236 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:47 AnMaster doesn't trust himself to to that, thus going to leave it to pros. < 1243984240 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replacing a computer fan is hard? < 1243984241 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Srsly? < 1243984252 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:48 AnMaster: GregorR-L, and 450 SEK for both new fan AND replacement of it. < 1243984254 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ridiculously expensive < 1243984255 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fan = $10 < 1243984268 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:51 AnMaster: so low end it doesn't even have a fan! < 1243984271 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's no indicator of low end < 1243984297 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:05 AnMaster: sure, there are sounds in English that aren't in Swedish (and vice versa) but that "chef" one didn't get those right. < 1243984300 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ... not meant to. < 1243984334 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust wiggle3 http://nopaste.com/p/aXjcWArLU/txt < 1243984343 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_wiggle3: 22.0 < 1243984369 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha wiggle3 now wins against the defends < 1243984374 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1243984374 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but looses otherwise < 1243984378 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:18 AnMaster: btw, I can't stand this 1280x1024 on 1400x1050 monitor thing.... So I'm going to be mostly afk < 1243984378 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:18 AnMaster: before I get a headache from it < 1243984380 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:18 GregorR-L: Wow, that's extreme. < 1243984383 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your eyes are broken < 1243984403 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nighty < 1243984424 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:37 AnMaster: Asztal, but anyway good cable helps. Usually thicker cables are better. Probably due to the extra thickness being more shielding < 1243984426 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm idea on how to break defend... < 1243984429 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snaaaaaaaaaake oiiiiiiiiiiiiil < 1243984431 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1243984440 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah defeat < 1243984447 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eh < 1243984453 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:01 AnMaster: PITA = Pain in the Back (you can figure out what the last word should be yourself < 1243984454 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :altruist < 1243984465 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pain in the altruist? < 1243984489 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:42 pikhq: So, AMD has 6 core chips now. < 1243984489 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:43 pikhq: ehird: That means the uberrig has an additional 16 cores. :p < 1243984490 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nehalem-XE = 8 cores on one chip, iirc, and mobos w/ 4 sockets. < 1243984492 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beat that, bitchnizzle. < 1243984585 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:09 kerlo_: Anyway, okay. Regular grammars are to O(x) as context-free grammars are to O(x^2) as English grammar is to O(x log x). < 1243984589 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1243984592 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1243984598 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoy goys < 1243984637 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:27 kerlo_: I'm trying to find the ä sound, as in "Autistic law, Paw, walks tall." < 1243984644 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autistic law? i'm scared < 1243984646 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*scared < 1243984787 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:22 pikhq goes on calling "Buffalo!" a sentence because it works as one in the minds of everyone but a linguist < 1243984793 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes on calling brainfuck not a programming language because etc
< 1243984815 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:24 psygnisfive: thirdly, call me a prescriptivist again and ill hunt you down and rape you. < 1243984818 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you like it that much? < 1243984824 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>| < 1243984834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1243984846 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, what's that smiley? < 1243984851 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1243984855 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1243984867 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part is the mouth? < 1243984876 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| < 1243984894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>|o < 1243984899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a smiley, it's a hole body < 1243984901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whole < 1243984912 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your moms a hole body. < 1243984936 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay now i've logread < 1243984939 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and read the responses to my logreading < 1243984942 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: yes, pain in the altruist. < 1243984948 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:21 psygnisfive: your moms a hole body. < 1243984950 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolololololol < 1243984963 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY TOO < 1243984968 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust antidefend1 ([>[>[-]+]+]+)*20 < 1243984975 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_antidefend1: 15.6 < 1243984993 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust bye < < 1243984999 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for lament_bye: 0.0 < 1243985003 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, a *green*. < 1243985016 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ this basically means, well why no what 's the < 1243985088 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: this is a sentence: the < 1243985091 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches psygnisfive squirm
< 1243985096 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey why am I ehird_? < 1243985097 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happene < 1243985098 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1243985100 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust antidefend1 ([>[>[-.-.-.]+]+]+)*20 < 1243985107 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_antidefend1: 17.8 < 1243985111 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:02:28 --- join: ehird (n=ehird@208.78.103.223) joined #esoteric < 1243985111 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:02:32 --- nick: ehird -> ehird_ < 1243985113 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dared disagree with a linguist is what happened! < 1243985114 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how queer < 1243985115 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1243985117 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The the the The the. < 1243985127 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thé < 1243985132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: actually i agree, "buffalo" isn't a sentence < 1243985133 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should have some tea. < 1243985139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: well there's probably a place called the < 1243985142 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it CAN be < 1243985142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unfortunately no such verb < 1243985145 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its animperative < 1243985147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well, yeah < 1243985149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that < 1243985151 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only an imperative < 1243985153 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ehird < 1243985157 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you agreed with me :( < 1243985160 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linguist, but not very cunning < 1243985161 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION huggles ehird
< 1243985163 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVE YOU T_T < 1243985164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1243985167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T________________________________T < 1243985170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1243985176 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: not very cunning at all. < 1243985182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO YOU'RE NOT A < 1243985183 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with defend6 and defend7 there is no way to not fall into the trap < 1243985189 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anaing, definitely. < 1243985200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: cunninglinguist‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽ < 1243985205 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, cunning if its a transboy, but thats a different sort of thing. < 1243985206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA < 1243985208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1243985236 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha antidefend brought slowrush onto the top < 1243985253 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :##compling has a bot that will say "Chomsky is cunnilingual" if you say "syntax" < 1243985279 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they all speak lojban in ##compling? < 1243985306 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1243985310 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they speak mostly german. < 1243985317 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ach so < 1243985344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: no it doesn't < 1243985345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ALWAYS. < 1243985353 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no. it does it randomly < 1243985356 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be annoying. < 1243985362 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, less annoying < 1243985372 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just below the threshold of "fucking kick this bot" < 1243985405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, why 'syntax < 1243985405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' < 1243985413 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because chomsky is a syntactician. < 1243985455 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243985531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh < 1243985544 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats all. < 1243985677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1243985686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1243985726 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a giant reeses peanut butter cup. :T < 1243985742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well give it back to Reese or he'll go fe fi fo fum < 1243985763 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1243985796 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay syntactic ambiguity. :D < 1243985830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well without the 'a' < 1243985836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the a makes it pretty unambiguous < 1243985849 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1243985876 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not really. < 1243985876 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1243985881 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, it's true :) < 1243985883 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a reese" could be a guy named reese. < 1243985886 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice bot < 1243985890 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a giant reese... < 1243985892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: well, sure < 1243985895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's very stretched < 1243985900 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares < 1243985901 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally "rise" is a norwegian word for giant < 1243985904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just like your butt etc* < 1243985912 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very true < 1243985917 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this enormous dildo, omg < 1243985938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for that; we care. < 1243985945 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1243986348 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1243986420 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1243986786 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust foobar >>+>+>+[[<]>[+++[-]+>]<] < 1243986810 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for jix_foobar: 3.7 < 1243986857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Me: I want to see the one we always called the “Hell Paper” at Queen’s — the mandatory fourth-year paper. You know the one, where we prove P = NP? < 1243986857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New Girl: I did that! I proved P = NP! I placed near the top of the class, and the professor used my paper as an example!]] < 1243986862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.joeydevilla.com/2003/04/07/what-happened-to-me-and-the-new-girl-or-the-girl-who-cried-webmaster/ < 1243986958 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?! < 1243986990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Read the whole thing < 1243987182 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you realize you just spoiled it? < 1243987188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yep. < 1243987189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nice way to tell if someone's bullshitting < 1243987199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course, we all know the answer (P = 1 or N = 0)