< 1244332800 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lune-a Vulff < 1244332812 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Lune-aVulff < 1244332862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, no no. < 1244332870 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :au claire de la lune < 1244332883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clair < 1244332885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm... that sounds extremely familiar... < 1244332889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is that from < 1244332901 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a french song < 1244332906 0 :Lune-aVulff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A famous one :P < 1244332915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes Debussy < 1244332920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clair de lune < 1244332940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "au claire de la lune" isn't the name of it < 1244332944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can find < 1244332954 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not debussy < 1244332958 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a folk song < 1244332962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? Just similiar names then < 1244332963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1244332964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Au_Clair_de_la_Lune < 1244332972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I haven't heard of that folk song before < 1244332986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard Clair de lune by Debussy though < 1244333016 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1244333056 0 :Lune-aVulff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better anyway X-P < 1244333078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lune-aVulff: do we have compose yet? < 1244333094 0 :Lune-aVulff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... do ... we ... have ... compose ... yet ... < 1244333151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot. < 1244333152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command. < 1244333154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ".". < 1244333173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Three. Two. One. Igntion. We have compose. < 1244333188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Because, you see, I want to do things like Swedish^2. < 1244333189 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Becoose-a, yuoo see-a, I vunt tu du theengs leeke-a Svedeesh^2. Bork Bork Bork! < 1244333192 0 :Lune-aVulff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh, no :P < 1244333194 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clair_de_Lune < 1244333194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Becoose-a, yuoo see-a, I vunt tu du theengs leeke-a Svedeesh^2. Bork Bork Bork! < 1244333195 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Becuuse-a-a, yoouu see-a-a, I foont too doo zeeengs leeke-a-a Sfedeesh^2. Bork Bork Bork! Bork Bork Bork! < 1244333199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1244333205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Becuuse-a-a, yoouu see-a-a, I foont too doo zeeengs leeke-a-a Sfedeesh^2. Bork Bork Bork! Bork Bork Bork! < 1244333206 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Becoooose-a-a-a, yuuoooo see-a-a-a, I fuunt tuu duu zeeengs leeke-a-a-a Sffedeesh^2. Bork Bork Bork! Bork Bork Bork! Bork Bork Bork! < 1244333207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prods ehird < 1244333213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1244333214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1244333214 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1244333218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help userinterps < 1244333219 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :userinterps: Users can add interpreters written in any of the languages in !help languages. See !help addinterp, delinterp, show | !userinterps. List interpreters added with !addinterp. < 1244333225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1244333225 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: bc bct bfbignum brit chiqrsx9p choo dc echo google gregor hello num ook plot rot13 sadbf slashes swedish yodawg < 1244333234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Hello, world! This is a test. < 1244333234 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu, vurld! Thees is a test. Bork Bork Bork! < 1244333236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lune-aVulff, you need to add an UK English parody one < 1244333238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brit Hellu, vurld! Thees is a test. Bork Bork Bork! < 1244333239 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ellu, vurld! Oi! Fees is a test. Bork Bork Bork! Oi! < 1244333241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: fail < 1244333251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why is that? < 1244333258 0 :Lune-aVulff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: !brit X_X < 1244333259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brit AnMaster: We already have one, that is the truth. < 1244333259 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: We already 'ave one, that is the bloody truth. < 1244333261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parody of Oxford English < 1244333265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1244333266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's boring. < 1244333268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah I didn't know about it < 1244333274 0 :Lune-aVulff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brit This is how real Brits talk. < 1244333275 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is 'ow real Brits go on. < 1244333281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is just expanding all contractions, and pronouncing it in Received Pronunciation. < 1244333284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brit Why? < 1244333285 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W, luv? < 1244333285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you see? < 1244333286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244333288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1244333289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1244333290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"W, < 1244333290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1244333299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should go "Hwhy" < 1244333301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1244333302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244333311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brit AnMaster: This is basically accurate for Londoners. < 1244333312 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: This is basically accurate for Cockneys. < 1244333317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha < 1244333318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAH < 1244333321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show brit < 1244333322 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh cockney < 1244333326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1244333336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brit Stairs < 1244333336 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apples and pears < 1244333336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lune-aVulff, where is that program from < 1244333338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1244333341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT GETS IT RIGHT < 1244333344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what package < 1244333352 0 :Lune-aVulff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU talkfilters < 1244333353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brit head < 1244333353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I tail at Cockneys rhymes < 1244333354 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ead < 1244333363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1244333367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU talkfilters < 1244333372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they check your mail too? < 1244333376 0 :Lune-aVulff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244333381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: To interpret them, just disregard the first word, and think of something that rhymes with the latter that fixes. < 1244333384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Go up the apples and pears." < 1244333387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ "Go up the [pears]." < 1244333388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stairs. < 1244333389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jun 7 00:53:27 tux /usr/sbin/gpm[4899]: *** info [daemon/processrequest.c(42)]: < 1244333389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jun 7 00:53:27 tux /usr/sbin/gpm[4899]: Request on 7 (console 0) < 1244333389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1244333390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go up the stairs. < 1244333394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never seen that before < 1244333396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to know 'em, really. < 1244333415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm... "stairs" rhyme with "pears"? < 1244333420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lune-aVulff: That talkfilters is by the same guy who did libconfig and that JVM server. < 1244333422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blink* < 1244333423 0 :Lune-aVulff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Uh, yes. < 1244333428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... < 1244333449 0 :Lune-aVulff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you think that "pears" sounded like "peers"? < 1244333450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Stares. Pares. < 1244333456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lune-aVulff: LOL < 1244333471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lune-aVulff: [[The filters include austro, b1ff, brooklyn, chef, cockney, drawl, dubya, fudd, funetak, jethro, jive, kraut, pansy, pirate, postmodern, redneck, valspeak, and warez]] < 1244333473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, [st]airs [p]ears? < 1244333476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to add all of them now, ok? < 1244333480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. < 1244333485 0 :Lune-aVulff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Most of them are surprisingly lame :( < 1244333491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, same sounds as for airs and ears then? < 1244333496 0 :Lune-aVulff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I left it to those two because they're actually good. < 1244333504 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pairs? < 1244333508 0 :Lune-aVulff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So you have no understanding of English then? Got it :P < 1244333550 0 :Dewio!n=dewi@124-171-207-228.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1244333551 0 :Lune-aVulff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp aol sh b1ff < 1244333552 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter aol installed. < 1244333558 0 :Lune-aVulff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!aol I'm an AOL user! < 1244333559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lune-aVulff, hm... < 1244333559 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1"M AN AOL USER!!!!!!!!!!1 < 1244333562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lune-aVulff: That's not AOL. < 1244333567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's B1FF. < 1244333573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to add them all with their proper names, harumph. < 1244333575 0 :Lune-aVulff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!aol I beg to disagree. < 1244333576 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 BEG 2 DISAGREE. < 1244333576 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um ea and ee are usually the same sound in english aren't they < 1244333577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lune-aVulff, well there is something similiar in them < 1244333595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lune-aVulff, but not in US English right? < 1244333599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp brit < 1244333599 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter brit deleted. < 1244333600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as much I mean < 1244333602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp aol < 1244333602 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter aol deleted. < 1244333603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp swedish < 1244333603 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter swedish deleted. < 1244333607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp austro sh austro < 1244333607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp b1ff sh b1ff < 1244333607 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter austro installed. < 1244333607 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter b1ff installed. < 1244333609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp brooklyn sh brooklyn < 1244333609 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter brooklyn installed. < 1244333610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp chef sh chef < 1244333611 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter chef installed. < 1244333613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp cockney sh cockney < 1244333613 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter cockney installed. < 1244333614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp drawl sh drawl < 1244333615 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter drawl installed. < 1244333616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp dubya sh dubya < 1244333617 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter dubya installed. < 1244333617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1244333619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp fudd sh fudd < 1244333619 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter fudd installed. < 1244333620 0 :Lune-aVulff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: #egobot < 1244333620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp funetak sh funetak < 1244333621 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter funetak installed. < 1244333623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp jehtro sh jehtro < 1244333623 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter jehtro installed. < 1244333623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterpreter chef < 1244333624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp kraut sh kraut < 1244333625 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter kraut installed. < 1244333626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp pansy sh pansy < 1244333627 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter pansy installed. < 1244333628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp pirate sh pirate < 1244333629 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter pirate installed. < 1244333631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp postmodern sh postmodern < 1244333631 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter postmodern installed. < 1244333632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp redneck sh redneck < 1244333633 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter redneck installed. < 1244333633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that one is just his !swedish < 1244333634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp valspeak sh valspeak < 1244333635 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter valspeak installed. < 1244333635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, spam < 1244333637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp warez sh warez < 1244333637 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter warez installed. < 1244333638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doo doo doo. < 1244333639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam < 1244333641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lune-aVulff: Sorry, bit late. < 1244333643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I deleted those. < 1244333644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please use #egobot < 1244333649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Lune-aVulff said < 1244333650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up, I didn't know about it. < 1244333655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd already sent the lines off. < 1244333659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, /flushq < 1244333662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dubya Strategy < 1244333662 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strategy < 1244333663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever your client uses < 1244333666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to flush it's queue < 1244333672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Did not say strategery. < 1244333673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: None. < 1244333677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, FAIL < 1244333682 0 :Lune-aVulff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: See, dubya is one of the lame ones. I can't find something that it changes. < 1244333686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Give a shit I don't. < 1244333697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dubya We are at war with the Iranic terrorists. < 1244333697 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We is at war with the Iranically evildoers. Stay the course! < 1244333699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1244333699 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1244333700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dubya We are at war with the Islamic terrorists. < 1244333701 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We is at war with the Islamically bad guys. < 1244333705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help userinterps < 1244333706 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :userinterps: Users can add interpreters written in any of the languages in !help languages. See !help addinterp, delinterp, show | !userinterps. List interpreters added with !addinterp. < 1244333706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not dubya. < 1244333707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1244333711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1244333712 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brooklyn chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney dc drawl dubya echo fudd funetak google gregor hello jehtro kraut num ook pansy pirate plot postmodern redneck rot13 sadbf slashes valspeak warez yodawg < 1244333715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244333717 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244333718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still fit < 1244333719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!valspeak Val speak? What? < 1244333719 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Val speak? What? < 1244333720 0 :Lune-aVulff!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1244333726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!postmodern test < 1244333727 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1244333727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!valspeak What is valspeak, I wonder? < 1244333728 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is valspeak, fer shure I wonder? < 1244333736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!postmodern The objects are ontologically categorized < 1244333736 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tted Kennedy objects are ontologically categorized < 1244333737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!postmodern So what is this then? < 1244333738 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what is semiotically this semiotically then? < 1244333740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1244333742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works! < 1244333759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is this "postmodern" < 1244333761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1244333763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google postmodernism < 1244333784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!postmodern The objects are ontologically categorized by the literature-social relation that is so common to these works, so that a new theory based on inter-spatial relationships can be developed and refined in according with the principles of reductionism. < 1244333784 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tted Kennedy objects are ontologically categorized by tted Kennedy literature-social relation that deconstructed is semiotically so common to these works, so that deconstructed a postmodern theory based on inter-spatial relationships can be developed and refined in the penetrated space of according with tted Kennedy principles of reductionism. < 1244333794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, uh, that cold do better. < 1244333815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1244333822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!drawl I have a drawl, 'tis true. < 1244333822 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahv uh drawl, 'tis true. < 1244333824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Hm... I know parts of postmodernism < 1244333828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't get this < 1244333845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Postmodernism is a load of bullshit involving words like "ontological", "semiotic" and other bullshit. < 1244333867 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!postmodern Would you like a cup of coffee, dear? < 1244333867 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like a cup of coffee, dear? < 1244333871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1244333883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate YARRRRRRRR < 1244333884 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YARRRRRRRR < 1244333889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate Well, it sure does work. < 1244333889 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it sure does work, I'll warrant ye. < 1244333893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1244333920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm. Not only I believe after reading the WP article about it < 1244333925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly it is one aspect yes < 1244333945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If you can read a few paragraphs of the article "Postmodernism" and your brain has not turned into goo, it was already goo. < 1244333969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: see, for instance, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair < 1244333982 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!postmodern In order to create goo, insert brain in slot no. 4 < 1244333983 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the penetrated space of order to create goo, insert brain the penetrated space of in the penetrated space of slot no. 4 < 1244333987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_wars, too. < 1244334000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They like evidence and reason but we like word masturbation." < 1244334003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FIGHT!" < 1244334025 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCHMIGHT! < 1244334037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. < 1244334037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting... < 1244334040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might write a filter for that < 1244334056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The green grass is so beautiful! Oh, and the blue sky! This is so perfect, I want to be here forever." < 1244334057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1244334069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1244334076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1244334081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The green grass is so beautiful, schmeautiful. Oh, and the blue sky, shmy! This is so perfect, schmerfect, I want to be here forever." < 1244334085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not gone :P < 1244334091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you abused the arrow! < 1244334123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1244334123 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brooklyn chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney dc drawl dubya echo fudd funetak google gregor hello jehtro kraut num ook pansy pirate plot postmodern redneck rot13 sadbf slashes valspeak warez yodawg < 1244334143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pansy Oh! That hurts! You touched me! < 1244334143 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Mmmh, yeth! That hurtth. Mmmh, yeth! You touched me. Mmmh, yeth! < 1244334150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1244334154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: WAT < 1244334162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANGKOR < 1244334175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!fudd I'm hunting rabbits. < 1244334176 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hunting wabbits. < 1244334183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!fudd It's rabbit season. < 1244334183 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's wabbit season, uh-hah-hah-hah. < 1244334196 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!redneck Please stand still so I can hit you. < 1244334197 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please stand still so Ah kin hit yew. < 1244334198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fudd"? < 1244334202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Elmer Fudd. < 1244334206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles < 1244334213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The vegetarian Bugs Bunny-hunter. < 1244334219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1244334226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have only seen Swedish translation < 1244334229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was years ago < 1244334235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't even remember the Swedish name < 1244334238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!fudd Be very very quiet, I'm hunting rabbits. < 1244334238 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting wabbits. < 1244334243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It forgot the hahs. < 1244334261 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) < 1244334318 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244334335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they lost that when adding Swedish voices instead < 1244334352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he had some other speech impediment iirc. < 1244334356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot what < 1244334396 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahs? < 1244334399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r→w? < 1244334410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, cya! < 1244334410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it had in... in thingy, you know, English. < 1244334413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: stfu < 1244334417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1244334540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, post-modernism in design and novels is something different from that though < 1244334543 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1244334552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I understand? < 1244334689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The term postmodern is described by Merriam-Webster as meaning either "of, relating to, or being an era after a modern one" or "of, relating to, or being any of various movements in reaction to modernism that are typically characterized by a return to traditional materials and forms (as in architecture) or by ironic self-reference and absurdity (as in literature)", or finally "of, relating to, or bei < 1244334689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ng a theory that involves a radical reappraisal of modern assumptions about culture, identity, history, or language"." < 1244334696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have run into the second meaning < 1244334700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specially for literature < 1244334722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I even seen Discworld classified as post-modern < 1244334733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that sense < 1244334805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er no < 1244334988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Seems like postmodernism in Swedish have a slightly wider meaning < 1244334992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading the Swedish wp page < 1244335346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Ehird said: Thou shalt not start a sentence with "And". And everyone begot mightily confused. < 1244335356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kills oerjan < 1244335391 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's so wrong with starting sentences with 'and'? < 1244335404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kills GregorR < 1244335439 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you complain about ending sentences with prepositions? < 1244335464 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1244335478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: No, that's fine/ < 1244335479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1244335480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think prepositions are a perfectly appropriate thing to end sentences with. < 1244335482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone else asked that before.... < 1244335486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it Asztal? < 1244335491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And possibly someone else too < 1244335493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1244335503 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you complain about split infinitives? < 1244335531 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Way to make that sentence as awkward as possible to prove a point about it not being awkward :P < 1244335531 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Care to beat ehird? < 1244335544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, And to boldly use "and" at the start of sentences where no one used "and" before? < 1244335544 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's futile to powerlessly complain... < 1244335547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive will fight with me against and-starters! He is not evil! < 1244335547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, :D < 1244335596 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: And please, is what we aim to. < 1244335614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I have, as a non-native speaker, troubles detecting split infinitives. To me they sound perfectly normal < 1244335630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are < 1244335643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: Way to make that sentence as awkward as possible to prove a point about it not being awkward :P <-- um your was somehow. But not oerjan's < 1244335653 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, whats this now < 1244335666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I hate sentences starting with and < 1244335668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the evil masses do not < 1244335672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE WILL FIGHT! TOGETHER! < 1244335678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR CORRECTNESS AND PROSPERITY! < 1244335691 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: They are, in fact, quite normal. < 1244335706 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And correctness and prosperity is what we will fight for! < 1244335713 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: noone cares what you think because you're 13. < 1244335714 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate sentences *ending* with and. < 1244335716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And lo and behold. psygnisfive disagreed with ehird. < 1244335718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1244335729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The complaints about split infinitives were started by some bloody bastards that decided to start applying Latin grammar rules to English. < 1244335729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's a rather odd definition of disagreeing. < 1244335730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, :D < 1244335739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: I'M ALMOST 14 < 1244335753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah < 1244335754 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats that? sorry, i dont care what you think. < 1244335765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I was right. As usual. < 1244335816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: He hasn't disagreed with me. < 1244335818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's just joking about my age < 1244335839 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why bother disagreeing with a child who knows nothing of the world < 1244335846 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And be, or not to, that is the question. < 1244335847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, so what do you think about sentences starting with and? < 1244335852 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like disagreeing with a bunny rabbit < 1244335860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bunny rabbit, incidentally. < 1244335864 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: they're grammatically correct. < 1244335866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that is stretching it... < 1244335869 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww bunneh! < 1244335872 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cuddles ehird < 1244335876 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunnyyyy < 1244335886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues state of bunnyness. < 1244335886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, just not used a lot in formal English right? < 1244335887 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, that should be, "And be, that is the question, or not to." < 1244335903 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: it depends alot on who's formal english. < 1244335904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, err. Is that all third at once < 1244335908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three* < 1244335912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, ah I see < 1244335916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: 'a lot' < 1244335919 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alot. < 1244335923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, so you disagree with ehird then < 1244335925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said < 1244335926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1244335933 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English disagrees with ehird. < 1244335937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he also uses "alot", which isn't a word. < 1244335951 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually alot is a word, ehird. < 1244335957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adverb < 1244335957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alot < 1244335959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common misspelling of a lot. < 1244335961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[edit]Noun < 1244335962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alot < 1244335964 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by all necessary definitions of alot. < 1244335965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common misspelling of a lot. < 1244335966 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, word. < 1244335966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/alot.html < 1244335969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps this common spelling error began because there does exist in English a word spelled “allot” which is a verb meaning to apportion or grant. The correct form, with “a” and “lot” separated by a space is perhaps not often encountered in print because formal writers usually use other expressions such as “a great deal,” “often,” etc. < 1244335973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Wiktionary and /errors/ disagree with you. < 1244335980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alot is a town and a nagar panchayat in Ratlam district in the state of Madhya Pradesh, India. < 1244335980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alot < 1244335984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes a word < 1244335985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244335987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Even you, surely, will agree that "alot" is not a word. < 1244335992 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster, hey, guess what, "until" is a misspelling of "on till" < 1244336001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alot is a misspelling of a word. < 1244336002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, interesting < 1244336002 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it became accepted as standard. < 1244336012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very interesting < 1244336015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the result of someone who accidentally the space. < 1244336023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, :D < 1244336025 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, languages themselves dont care about "acceptance", only usage. < 1244336027 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore you're wrong. < 1244336033 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual. < 1244336034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, was that intentional < 1244336035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Pfft! You're not nearly descriptivist enough! If we can sample text messages, we will see the true english! < 1244336035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1244336039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx 4 dat, psygnisfive < 1244336043 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1244336043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u tort me a gud lesson < 1244336047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. Slashdot meme. < 1244336051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i no wot english is < 1244336052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ... < 1244336053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Slashdot? < 1244336054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm < 1244336055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a 4chan mem. < 1244336057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mem < 1244336059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*meme < 1244336059 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Exceptions made for those languages that have official language bodies. (French) :p < 1244336065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://encyclopediadramatica.com/I_accidentally_X < 1244336068 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, exceptions not made. < 1244336079 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Didn't know it was a meme from 4chan initially. < 1244336089 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because some twats get together and declare themselves to be the keepers of French doesnt mean shit < 1244336091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Doesn't surprise me. < 1244336094 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, watch, pikhq < 1244336096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 4chan→reddit→slowpoke valley (it's old in the previous two now)→slashdot < 1244336101 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4chan is the literal asshole of the Internet. < 1244336112 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All shit comes out of it. < 1244336116 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I declare myself to be the sole authority on the English language, with fiat to declare what is and isn't English. < 1244336127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Fuck off. < 1244336127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1244336128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah yes. Except now it won't. See that recent xkcd. < 1244336130 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. < 1244336136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: the norwegian _parliament_ actually passed a law changing our number system from german to english style ordering :) < 1244336144 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: doesnt matter. < 1244336155 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing that matters is what people do. < 1244336160 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what do you mean "ordering"? < 1244336160 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still hasn't taken completely < 1244336165 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. < 1244336175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:55 pikhq: 4chan is the literal asshole of the Internet. < 1244336177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not literal. < 1244336178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: treogfemti vs. femtitre < 1244336183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not have any of the anatomical features of an anus. < 1244336188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : psygnisfive: Exceptions made for those languages that have official language bodies. (French) :p <-- Hm... I'm not sure what you mean. But it is possible Sweden has such a thing < 1244336190 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i dont understand. < 1244336193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember the name < 1244336201 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is that people tell the "official" defining bodies to fuck off. < 1244336213 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not that people TELL them to fuck off < 1244336226 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Something like the Academie Française? (might've misspelt that; I don't know French) < 1244336227 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: german 53 is "drei und fünfzig" iirc < 1244336229 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just that the language doesnt magically change because some guys in an office declared it to have. < 1244336231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Well, yes. They just ignore them. < 1244336244 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming they even know about the proclamation < 1244336247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes http://www.sprakradet.se/ < 1244336249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1244336251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theory: "I'm a linguist" is a socially acceptable excuse to rape the English language. < 1244336254 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, i see. 3-50 vs 50-3 < 1244336255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian used to use the same order as german, then the parliament wanted to change it to english < 1244336260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: Something like the Academie Française? (might've misspelt that; I don't know French) <-- no clue < 1244336267 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No. < 1244336278 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what about 13? < 1244336287 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: still "tretten" < 1244336288 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One can't be said to rape English, anyway. < 1244336293 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1244336299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sure you can, metaphorically. < 1244336301 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english also uses reverse order for 13-19 < 1244336303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you just say this because psygnisfive proved you wrong. And that is your usual style. < 1244336305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again. < 1244336314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm complaining about his usage of "alot", you dimwit. < 1244336319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that too < 1244336323 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: ehird just wants me to bunny cuddle him < 1244336326 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bunny cuddles ehird < 1244336330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, oh right. < 1244336330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you so pathetic that you have to latch on to any time some random person that you believe to be authoritative says I'm wrong? < 1244336331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is a freaking slut. It pleasures anyone, as would a harlot. < 1244336337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that seriously the only goddamn method of argument you have? < 1244336345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argumentum appeal to good-looking authority? < 1244336346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, typo for hare lot? < 1244336348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1244336354 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is nothing, and I mean *nothing* sacrosanct about English. < 1244336356 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: english is a good neighbor, you take that back! >| < 1244336369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sprakradet.se/international btw < 1244336376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if that is the same thing basically < 1244336378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be < 1244336388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ^ < 1244336406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I have no clue what this "Academie Française" does. < 1244336417 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: It is the unholy amalgamate of Old Norse, Latin, French, Norman, Celtic, Old Norse, etc. < 1244336420 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1244336422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gooogle doesn't exist. < 1244336423 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Defines French. < 1244336425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gooooooooooooooooogle. < 1244336426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : norwegian used to use the same order as german, then the parliament wanted to change it to english <-- What is the German order? Is it for dates and such? < 1244336429 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said old norse already. < 1244336434 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you forgot Old English. < 1244336441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, then I guess the same. < 1244336444 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: It has had two seperate Norse influences, IIRC. < 1244336448 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1244336451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I forgot to mention Old English. < 1244336469 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the overwhelming majority of those influences are lexical. < 1244336479 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexical adoption is the most trivial sort, and also the most uninteresting. < 1244336514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is that seriously the only goddamn method of argument you have? <-- no < 1244336515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, true. < 1244336521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Seems to be < 1244336526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, see earlier today < 1244336527 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since Old English and Old Norse /were/ mutually intelligible. < 1244336527 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :celtic did, however, have some minor syntactic affects on english < 1244336536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the link I linked then < 1244336540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quoted < 1244336545 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: numbers, 21-99 except the round ones < 1244336562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that is -78? < 1244336579 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we know that the Norman Invasion had some freaking massive affects on English. < 1244336584 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acht und siebzig, i think < 1244336589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, or what do you mean the "order"... I mean the lowest number is lowest < 1244336590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1244336598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't declare 99 > 21 < 1244336618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I fail to see what part of the number "order" was changed < 1244336621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: big vs. little endian, essentially, but only for the ones vs. tens part < 1244336644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah like "twenty one" vs "one twenty"? < 1244336648 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1244336651 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: lexicall, sure. < 1244336656 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not syntactically. < 1244336659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I remember Danish has a HORRIBLE system for that < 1244336670 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, perhaps, via the destruction of the english case system, if that can be attributed to the norman invasion < 1244336674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like "5 and four-tweties" < 1244336675 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244336679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similiar insane < 1244336705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, case system? < 1244336709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Caste. < 1244336717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think class, except it < 1244336719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244336721 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the germanic languages made extensive use of case < 1244336721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Wasn't Norman's grammar already rather Germanic, anyways? < 1244336722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s determined by your birth and you can't change it. < 1244336723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you didn't know. < 1244336725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: femogfjerds < 1244336726 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, no, not class. < 1244336726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh ,wait. < 1244336728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You meant case? < 1244336729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAWL. < 1244336734 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1244336735 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case. < 1244336737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is that it? Ouch < 1244336738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering what caste had to do with english < 1244336758 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: possible. i dont really know. < 1244336763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I know what "kast" is, isn't it used in India still < 1244336764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1244336764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: worse, 78 is åtteoghalvfjerds iirc < 1244336772 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case is what distinguishes words like "he" and "him", "I" and "me", etc. < 1244336775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Think so. < 1244336775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he SAID "case", which is what confused me < 1244336783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, no, not class. < 1244336786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : case. < 1244336790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so you were wrong too < 1244336802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he had typo'd by missing a letter as he did previously. < 1244336805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, you have them in those examples? < 1244336815 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1244336817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your insistence on always "winning" against me to show how much of an idiot I am is laughable; please spend your time elsewhere. < 1244336822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" case is what distinguishes words like "he" and "him", "I" and "me", etc." < 1244336827 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what i said < 1244336827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so clearly it isn't destroyed < 1244336831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can give examples < 1244336837 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1244336846 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well, yes, english has remnant case in the pronominal domain < 1244336849 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old English had much more case. < 1244336851 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically nowhere else. < 1244336856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244336859 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern icelandic has an extensive case system < 1244336866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, am/are/is? < 1244336866 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the only germany language that retains this. < 1244336868 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1244336873 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am/are/is is subject-verb agreement < 1244336876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244336881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: german also as case < 1244336881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so case is only for? < 1244336887 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has < 1244336888 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but not like icelandic. < 1244336894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, ? < 1244336903 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean case is only for? < 1244336916 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case is just a system of marking arguments of a verb. < 1244336920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, well that is what I'm asking < 1244336924 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what they're marked for is... well, case. < 1244336926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you say am/are/is isn't case < 1244336930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1244336933 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: also prepositions < 1244336942 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no clear understanding of what case really does < 1244336947 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can think of it like this tho < 1244336952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possessives < 1244336956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, the "s" on "he writes"? < 1244336959 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verbs have some fixed number of arguments < 1244336963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS AN ARAB DONKEY < 1244336965 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: thats still subject-verb agreement. < 1244336972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, then English need varargs < 1244336978 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verbs have some fixed number of arguments, like, functions < 1244336982 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: verbs don't have case < 1244336991 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the verb assigns case to each of its arguments < 1244336994 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nouns and adjectives can have < 1244336998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244337003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:09 AnMaster: psygnisfive, then English need varargs < 1244337005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs. < 1244337006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With an s. < 1244337009 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like if you had argument "names" that had to be explicit in the function call, to some sense. < 1244337027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: smalltalk has that. < 1244337033 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite like that tho, ehird. < 1244337033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fooBar: baz andQuux: dsfjksdf < 1244337034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, so when you change the form of an adjective depending on if the noun you are describing is singular or plural. Is that case? < 1244337043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although python's foo(a=b,c=d) without positional args would be more of a mapping < 1244337066 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like bit(nom = dog, acc = man) or bit(nom = man, obl = dog) < 1244337080 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: no, thats agreement. < 1244337092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, mhm. Swedish has that one. < 1244337093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Bitnomdogaccman? < 1244337103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOM NOM NOM < 1244337104 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: adjectives can agree in case too < 1244337106 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you not see the parens? < 1244337110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes probably 4chan originally) < 1244337114 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, they do AGREE in case < 1244337122 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they do not have case themselves. < 1244337132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, lolcat fags. < 1244337134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, so how is "he" a case < 1244337139 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is not a case < 1244337144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1244337150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: Hmm. Sure enough... Norman itself was the unholy amalgamate of Old French and Old Norse. < 1244337154 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he" is the nominative case version of the first person singular masculine pronoun < 1244337159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : " case is what distinguishes words like "he" and "him", "I" and "me", etc." < 1244337167 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1244337167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double quoting yay < 1244337181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: third person < 1244337187 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too. < 1244337189 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he" is glossed as 3sg.MASC.NOM < 1244337190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jag/mig in Swedish for example then < 1244337191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244337198 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"him" is glossed as "3sg.MASC.ACC" < 1244337213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glossy? What Pantone gloss? < 1244337215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs < 1244337227 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244337237 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gloss is a sort of "translation" or "definition" of sorts. < 1244337241 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in "glossary" < 1244337248 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is ais523's butterfly net when we need it < 1244337267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive, right < 1244337280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also it was a joke fully in your style < 1244337352 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll be SEK 154 in royalties, then < 1244337396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why 154 < 1244337411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also it is a parody, thus fair use < 1244337429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair use is a US-only concept < 1244337448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm connected to a freenode server hosted in US. < 1244337453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles evilly < 1244337458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, Sweden does iirc have something similiar < 1244337465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for parodies < 1244337476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different name yes < 1244337506 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other ling stuff can i explain for you today < 1244337514 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parodies, piratees, what's the difference < 1244337524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1244337579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: sorry, my brain is full < 1244337604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm... Parody Party? < 1244337623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bittorrent is clearly all one big parody < 1244337629 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parity Party < 1244337642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway had one of those in a recent election < 1244337655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh? < 1244337655 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Det politiske parti, i think it was called < 1244337661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1244337667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is just an awesome name < 1244337681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what did they stand for. And did they get any mandate? < 1244337691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or whatever the English word is) < 1244337694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were dangerously close, or something :D < 1244337694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(place?) < 1244337703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wow. But what did they stand for < 1244337728 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall something about their representatives promising to vote according to polls < 1244337755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piratparodypartiet. < 1244337757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best of both worlds. < 1244337763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also alliterative. < 1244337765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Det_Politiske_Parti < 1244337780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my I can see it < 1244337782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1244337786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ninja Party < 1244337806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of a shadow government < 1244337826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1244337874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Political Party was active only in the general election of 2001." < 1244337875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1244337906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, translate: "Da partiet ikke har meldt overføring til Partiregisteret, falt partinavnet ut som registrert partinavn etter stortingsvalget 2005." < 1244337914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google.com < 1244337915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slash < 1244337916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :translate < 1244337919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underscore < 1244337920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1244337933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that isn't clickable < 1244337934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244337943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus I want HIGH QUALITY translation < 1244337968 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not too bad for closely-related languages < 1244338018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"falt partinavnet ut som registrert partinavn" was the bit I failed to understand < 1244338026 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, not a great translation :P < 1244338040 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, google translate messes that bit up, I think < 1244338051 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since the party didn't get recorded in the Party Register, the name became unregistered after parliament elections of 2005 < 1244338058 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(loosely) < 1244338066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fails to Swedish < 1244338076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying something like "killing the party's name" < 1244338085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1244338115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dead parts name as a registered partys name" < 1244338116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even < 1244338120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Looney Party. < 1244338122 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1244338130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(real party) < 1244338133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so see why I didn't use google translate < 1244338134 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here in canada we have a Work Less Party < 1244338140 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and today it's throwing a big party < 1244338144 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the work less party party < 1244338176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Monster_Raving_Loony_Party < 1244338187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. :) < 1244338489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: they should throw a party about that party < 1244338494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the work less party party party < 1244338535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: 2+2=4[citation needed HAHAHAHA I'M SO WITTY I CAN REFERENCE WIKIPEDIA] <-- i cannot give a citation for that but i hear there is a good proof for 1+1=2 in Principia Mathematica < 1244338557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan++ < 1244338559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chuckles maniacally < 1244338559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have The Principa but I'd prefer Principa Mathematica < 1244338567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone want to swap? < 1244338590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*principia, both < 1244338592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Principa"? < 1244338597 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think technically they both have titles starting with "Principia Mathematica", don't they? < 1244338597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophiae_Naturalis_Principia_Mathematica that is < 1244338609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have that, and I would prefer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principia_Mathematica < 1244338610 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1244338622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't have either, alas < 1244338667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :googling for "The Principia" gives "& Discordia" ... < 1244338669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange < 1244338684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was using quotes < 1244338694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Principia Discordia. < 1244338700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The religious text of Discordianism. < 1244338705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I know what it is < 1244338708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kay. < 1244338712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just odd that it listed it at top < 1244338718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no I weren't logged in to gmail < 1244338873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: presumably it's a big religion in sweden < 1244338882 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1244338913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm possibly < 1244338925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1244338936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hey I was just playing along. < 1244338948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you KNOW we cannot tell with you < 1244338968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, thus I like to surprise you :) < 1244338981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you cannot tell with ehird, i've noticed :D < 1244338999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, true < 1244339019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I can tell with you most of the time < 1244339035 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1244339044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not always though < 1244339105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www63.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Religion+in+Sweden < 1244339107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it < 1244339137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www63.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=percentage+Religion+in+Sweden < 1244339140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah worked better < 1244339144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not good though < 1244339199 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one percentage :D < 1244339207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, exactly < 1244339220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for http://www63.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=percentages+Religion+in+Sweden < 1244339234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: what psu usage does your machine have? < 1244339235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and http://www63.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=percentages+religions+in+Sweden < 1244339237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine < 1244339247 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut? < 1244339251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 85% tdp, 90% load, no capacitor aging, my planned rig clocks 451W < 1244339263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: put your components in, twiddle with tdp/load/capacitor aging, get estimated wattage back < 1244339271 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1244339275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1244339276 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "Input interpretation" is identical, still one has a number... < 1244339308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1244339309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% tdp, 100% load, no capacitor aging: 521W < 1244339312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Scanian"? < 1244339316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a Swedish dialect < 1244339327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does W|A thinks it is a minority language < 1244339333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that + 30% capacitor aging = 677W < 1244339345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that + more realistic 20% = 625W < 1244339355 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there may be some dispute on that point < 1244339360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, err < 1244339362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1244339367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, citation < 1244339375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: even if you have 2xGTX285 in SLI and an i7 975 XE... < 1244339379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need 800W. < 1244339399 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Scanian was previously classified as a regional language by SIL International, but before the latest update, the Swedish representative to ISO/TC-37, the technical committee overseeing ISO 639, required that Scanian be removed from the ISO/DIS 639-3, the draft just prior to the final draft FDIS, or a positive vote from Sweden would not be forthcoming." < 1244339428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanian dialects) < 1244339433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244339433 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: bigger is better < 1244339439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, space fail? < 1244339439 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanian_dialects) < 1244339449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: nuh-uh; more power in a PSU = louder, and less green. < 1244339458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly green doesn't apply for these types of systems under load < 1244339462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for idle web browsing and IRCing... < 1244339476 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's not like a bigger power supply uses more power when it's not needed... < 1244339485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: google gave me a redirect and i did some broken cut/paste to get the main article name < 1244339489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but lower rating tends to = better efficiency < 1244339496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1244339510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes he could have copied from the "Article" tab link < 1244339515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well... Skånska isn't that far off from "main" Swedish < 1244339518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: but seriously. all that + 30% capacitor + 100% TDP + 100% load - so if you run your system at 100% load of every single component for multiple years - you're just sucking up 677W < 1244339520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a dialect IMO < 1244339529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's a super-high power computer < 1244339533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly possible to understand for someone not from Skåne < 1244339537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: 800W+ psus are crocks. :P < 1244339556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "A language is a dialect with an army and a navy" < 1244339562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, while for example Samiska is harder to understand < 1244339567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a separate language < 1244339573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different language group too < 1244339573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1244339578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is from a separate ... yes < 1244339586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to say that first < 1244339587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244339596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1244339599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dammit* < 1244339607 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1244339610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: so how do you justify >800W psus with that exactly? < 1244339629 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :800w is good < 1244339634 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :800w+, maybe not < 1244339676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: dude... 2xSLI of GTX285 plus i7 975 XE plus 100% load of every single component (more or less impossible) for years, with a bordering-on-unreasonable capacitor aging value... < 1244339682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :677W... so I don't see how 800W can be good < 1244339692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all < 1244339702 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because some retarded web app tells you so? < 1244339723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: no, I've used many calcs + own calculations < 1244339730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more-or-less correct < 1244339746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. In WWII, the British were really, really good at handling German spies. < 1244339763 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All but one defected. < 1244339770 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that one committed suicide) < 1244339775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: shit, you can run an i7 920 + mid-range graphics card on a ~380W psu < 1244339790 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean it's a good idea < 1244339796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1244339802 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half of them defected on reaching Britain -- and none of them sent messages to Germany. < 1244339813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1244339820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: you do know that the vast majority of configurations have (unrealistic) absolute peaks of ~200W? < 1244339820 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and remember, wattage ratings are pretty much the sole comparison people have between psus == greatly inflated < 1244339839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they're not inflated < 1244339847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can run N watts on an N watt psu, always < 1244339855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything else would be driven out of the market < 1244340216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1244342278 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LA LA LA LA LAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1244343940 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goatse.cx/hello.jpg < 1244343977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, we really do want to click that link, don't we. < 1244343998 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click it! < 1244344030 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot click it, i've got this pain down my right diodes < 1244344047 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's SFW < 1244344121 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, /nick Marvin ? < 1244344176 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should i imposter our city's dear beloved ex-major? < 1244344189 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..what? < 1244344195 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's _that_ a reference to? < 1244344215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Wiseth < 1244344231 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1244344517 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA MARVIN WISEASS < 1244344519 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAWL < 1244344522 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- not clever < 1244344594 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's as close a pronunciation as i should expect from an american < 1244344631 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for Sweden. < 1244344642 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr, wrong person X-P < 1244344657 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for Norway. < 1244344708 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION secretly wants to trick texas into passing a constitutional amendment that all state matters must be written in the language of Jesus < 1244344778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, there is that pesky US 1st amendment i guess < 1244345317 0 :mtd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1244349315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1244349751 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric 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:GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1244387582 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1244389197 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1244389197 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1244389197 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244389197 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1244389243 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Judofyr < 1244391370 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam subject line: "Look here or get AIDs" < 1244391564 0 :leonid_!n=leonid_@116.39.191.150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244391570 0 :leonid_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1244392569 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1244392569 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1244392594 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1244392611 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244393348 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-6-155.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244394818 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1244395283 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244395567 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244399463 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244399663 0 :whtspc!n=chatzill@dhcp-077-249-232-003.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1244400042 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-131-23.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244400128 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOM NOM NOM < 1244400182 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244400258 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-114-198.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1244400380 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG SOMEBODY TALK LAWL < 1244400385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION talks < 1244401248 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hai GregorR < 1244401477 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-88.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1244401643 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just listened to The Euphio Question on the Radio. < 1244401733 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It answers the Fermi paradox, with only a little reading between the lines < 1244401766 0 :whtspc_!n=chatzill@dhcp-077-249-232-003.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1244401783 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it seems, someone has put it online: http://aofisonfire.blogspot.com/2007/08/euphio-question.html < 1244401864 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody want to write a Masterpiece with me? :P < 1244401881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of masterpiece? < 1244401899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically speaking, a masterpiece is something a craftsman did or made to prove they were worthy of becoming a master < 1244401922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case, my masterpiece is technically speaking a compiler from bSCI to Idealized Algol < 1244401930 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/masterpiecemachine/ < 1244401974 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That is impressive. < 1244401975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: seems interesting, but not right now < 1244401984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do people agree on tempo and key beforehand? < 1244401988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that left to chance too? < 1244402088 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Tempo is agreed on, key is chance. < 1244402104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and time signature, likewise chance? < 1244402113 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time signature can't be chance due to how MIDI works. < 1244402131 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's technically nothing stopping you from just ignoring the time signature in the MIDI and doing whatever TF you want :P < 1244402143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the time signature wasn't compulsory < 1244402149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more a sort of comment with a defined meaning < 1244402173 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIDI records things like tempo in terms of quarter notes, regardless of the time signature, so it can get a bit wonky. < 1244402196 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why it works much better to just agree on a time signature ;) < 1244402208 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've been doing these for years, and found that setting the tempo and time signature is an E_GOODIDEA. < 1244402216 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Midi worked in 1/128 sec < 1244402229 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: What a nice happy idealism :P < 1244402253 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: what, the story or what I just said < 1244402255 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1244402262 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you just said. < 1244402286 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1244402326 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this mean that the action of concatenating two arbitrary bits of midi music is not trivial? < 1244402361 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1244402372 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes and no. < 1244402401 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a MIDI file it's nontrivial, I don't know about MIDI streams (e.g. talking to a MIDI device) < 1244402425 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks < 1244402479 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION indicates that people might want to look at Haskore -- the Haskell music-manipulating library -- which can output MIDI < 1244402481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :streams don't have timing information at all < 1244402488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're quite a bit easier < 1244402492 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's sort of what I guessed. < 1244402501 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get notes to come on simultaneously? < 1244402513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: you send both the on messages at around the same time < 1244402517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and send the off messages later < 1244402556 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I guess the data rate is high enough that there is no noticeable delay between the on messages < 1244402583 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully X-D < 1244402616 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds optional key to Masterpiece Machine. < 1244402625 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: The data rate is some 6kbps. < 1244402770 0 :whtspc_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" < 1244402913 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's that running-status thing so you can send a single "note-on" message followed by six data bytes specifying three "simultaneous" notes. < 1244403023 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244403123 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1244403697 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1244404321 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1244404331 0 :tetha!n=hk@pD950FE22.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244404852 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the currently best optimizing bf compiler? < 1244404863 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1244404934 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esotope? < 1244404974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster would probably claim in-between beats it < 1244404977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or has it not caught up yet? < 1244405026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esotope is better at most stuff. in-between is rather close to getting as good. And in a few specific cases it does better. Some constructs. < 1244405032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mostly esotope is better. < 1244405038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1244405058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is packing for the travel < 1244405059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:18:28 * oerjan secretly wants to trick texas into passing a constitutional amendment that all state matters must be written in the language of Jesus < 1244405068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yhwh dhrhwnr kfdrfkdjnf < 1244405140 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that say anythign in particular? < 1244405176 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm i want to write my own optimizing bf compiler < 1244405189 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since my last one is a few years old < 1244405197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Hebrew doesn't have vowels LAWLZ < 1244405199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:16:48 We've been doing these for years, and found that setting the tempo and time signature is an E_GOODIDEA. < 1244405203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an error good idea? < 1244405209 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes :P < 1244405214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hi SimonRC, haven't seen you talk for a while < 1244405216 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quite messy < 1244405220 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: including SSA-form and other hilarious overkill? < 1244405228 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it takes up a lot of time < 1244405246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: you must live very fast :P < 1244405257 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: i don't know what it is < 1244405265 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: but from the letters i'd say yes < 1244405269 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244405283 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd guess it's translating into dest = src1 op src2 operations < 1244405290 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimizing/transforming them < 1244405297 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I can't really do anything else if I care about missign out on IRC conversations < 1244405300 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each dest is only used once < 1244405301 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssa == static single assignement form < 1244405320 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it simplifies some analyzations and optimizations < 1244405333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: continuation passing style = ssa < 1244405429 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244405739 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244406132 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the Billiard Ball Machine you highlighted me for a few hours ago: It doesn't have anything to do with quantum mechanics. It is just a notation the autor adopted because it probably was convenient at the time... and I don't really know anything about quantum mechanics other than a few facts about the schrödinger equation. < 1244406174 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... 20 hours is a few... < 1244406180 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1244406181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MizardX is dead* < 1244406182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MizardX is not dead* < 1244406189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pushes those two lines together < 1244406231 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1244406342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: he said schrödinger and quantum mechanics QED. < 1244406376 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is how much I know about it... < 1244406412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A MOUNTAIN OF INVISIBLE QUANTUMS < 1244406613 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1244406710 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1244406894 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1244407477 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244408234 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-73-97.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244408381 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Read error: 182 (Connection reset by beer)" < 1244409123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244409157 0 :GuestGoldenDog!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-73-97.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244409368 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244409369 0 :GuestGoldenDog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244409654 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244409669 0 :GuestGoldenDog!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-73-97.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244409670 0 :GuestGoldenDog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244409684 0 :GuestGoldenDog!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-73-97.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244409699 0 :GuestGoldenDog!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1244409853 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244409866 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-73-97.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244410641 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244412045 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244412173 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, implementing context-transforming automatas is charming and would reduce the implementation of a lot of esoteric languages to very few lines < 1244412200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1244412217 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :demonstrate? < 1244412247 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: basically you could transform a program into it's control flow graph, annotate that with implementations of the basic operations and tell it to evaluate with a base context < 1244412403 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes his brain is in that horrible mush state again < 1244412439 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: e.g. brainfuck: you need a parser, a representation of the state (tape + head position) and an implementation for each opcode and you're done, given this library < 1244412450 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tiniest irritating noise, and it becomes _painful_ to think < 1244412540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: sounds pretty much like how i do tiny interpreters in haskell < 1244412550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:04 tetha: oerjan: basically you could transform a program into it's control flow graph, annotate that with implementations of the basic operations and tell it to evaluate with a base context ← that's hot. < 1244412556 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pretty much, yes < 1244412557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol would be all over that < 1244412558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he loves graphs < 1244412561 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1244412564 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do I < 1244412564 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1244412570 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone should! < 1244412791 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bf compiler i work on is/will be written in haskell < 1244412803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SimonRC: Hebrew doesn't have vowels LAWLZ < 1244412816 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language of Jesus was probably aramaic, not hebrew < 1244412824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aramic is a derivative of hebrew < 1244412826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so phooey. < 1244412827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pirate Party Wins and Enters The European Parliament" < 1244412831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! < 1244412836 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1244412845 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they are both semitic languages, so probably similar writing principles < 1244412863 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the german pirate party didn't make it < 1244412883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not derivative, sister language < 1244412894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: kay < 1244412904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: not surprising; Sweden's a lot more liberal < 1244412943 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: at leat in my city it was the strongest non etablished party < 1244412947 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1244412949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? hrm. < 1244412963 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in luebeck, it horribly lost :( < 1244412966 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they got a bit over 1% here < 1244413010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still < 1244413013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :european parliament < 1244413016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's hope < 1244413018 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1244413024 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least SOME sane people in there < 1244413046 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: in luebeck they are on place 6 too < 1244413086 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. curse you, firefox cache < 1244413099 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetha: you live in luebeck? < 1244413103 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1244413110 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool i'm going to move there later this year < 1244413115 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1244413131 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you studying there? < 1244413142 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, computer science, second master term < 1244413200 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will start computer science there < 1244413208 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244413209 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1244413217 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you will have some saner study plan < 1244413539 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Pirate Party will get one spot, yeah < 1244413564 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone read much of the VPRI's stuff? < 1244413608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: cola language ya mean? < 1244413617 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :among other things < 1244413617 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1244413621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always been too buzzwordy and all-encompassing when I've looked at it < 1244413738 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first I thought that it would be nice for the language parser to be available to me, or rather for all its parts to be available to build new specialised parsers from < 1244413764 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I realised that the smug you-know-what weenies have been going on about this for decades < 1244413770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1244413781 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed the non-smug non-weenie ones < 1244413803 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem I see now in Java is partly attitude < 1244413813 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-73-97.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244413838 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't want to add things like lambdas even though the JVM would suport them < 1244413865 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quite recently I have found a reasonable use for run-time compilation < 1244415177 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1244416083 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1244417310 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone knows some haskell here? ... is there something like a monad... except an operator like >>= but with type M a -> (a -> M a) -> M a instead of M a -> (a -> M b) -> (M b) < 1244417341 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1244417349 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a monad where a computation can't change the type < 1244417372 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you can define such a thing < 1244417381 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1244417389 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if there is a typeclass for such things already < 1244417394 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd use that < 1244417401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note however that then you cannot change the a at all within a single composed computation < 1244417413 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok < 1244417446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's really sort of M -> (a -> M) -> M < 1244417446 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1244417454 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it is < 1244417491 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1244417491 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1244417491 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M -> (A -> M) -> M < 1244417491 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you just happen to be able to parametrize on A < 1244417491 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1244417522 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you express it as a comonad? < 1244417522 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be swapped into (A -> M) -> M -> M < 1244417535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot quite think of anything < 1244417616 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: comonads still have varying a and b, just in the "other direction" < 1244417616 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, nvm < 1244417616 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that look a bit like monads but aren't sometimes turn out to be comonads < 1244417616 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not this time < 1244417621 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a special case of a monad < 1244417639 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a state transition seems a bit similar < 1244417659 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, just the state part of a State monad, but without the return value < 1244417708 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact there is a generalization of "parametrized" monads just to be able to do things like changing the state type during a state monad computation < 1244417713 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm if such a thing exists < 1244417727 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every monad is such a thing < 1244417745 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(exists as in is in the haskell "stdlib") < 1244417745 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so State a (), for example < 1244417759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or StateT a m () for any monad m < 1244417791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait that also gives a state out < 1244417811 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would make sense to define things which touch only one type... like return for it instead of monad < 1244417814 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that isn't the case < 1244417822 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i assume it isn't there < 1244417853 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need it for a thing that stores multiple values < 1244417859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sort of requires functional dependency M -> A < 1244417860 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i want to do computations to some of them < 1244417870 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not all < 1244417953 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: but in a sense your M a's do contain a's in them? < 1244417953 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1244418055 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be i'm the first who needs something like that < 1244418130 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make sense to move everything of monad that has just one free type (or whatever they are called) into that thing < 1244418147 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and define the things with more than one free type for it with a different name < 1244418151 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then make monad an instance of it < 1244418152 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the question is why can't you just use a monad? < 1244418155 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may sound like a dumb question... < 1244418162 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not ask on #haskell < 1244418180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats SimonRC for his stupidity -----### < 1244418193 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: i asked that question myself < 1244418242 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: take the list monad < 1244418254 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you want >>= to apply only to the first element instead of all < 1244418260 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but keep all the other elements < 1244418266 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i need exactly < 1244418284 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: also, haskell's type classes don't support making every instance of an older type class into an instance of a newer without problems < 1244418301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: that example has nothing to do with _types_ < 1244418317 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only position, which is not a type thing < 1244418317 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well try to implement >>= for it < 1244418337 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'll see the problem < 1244418343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? well apart from >>= already being defined for lists < 1244418348 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't keep the elements you wan't to stay there < 1244418351 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they have the type a < 1244418358 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where they should have the type b after >>= < 1244418374 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-' < 1244418374 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ... i see, you want to _keep_ the others < 1244418376 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1244418413 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do that by using "id" as what you did to the others < 1244418450 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nope < 1244418451 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i only have one >>= < 1244418481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like it should work < 1244418544 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would of course totally break the monad laws, even restricted to a single type < 1244418568 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm i'm pretty sure what i want to do follows the monad laws < 1244418727 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when restricted to a single type) < 1244418727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it? (x >>= f) >>= g == x >>= (\a -> f a >>= g) ? < 1244418727 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1244418727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the "do only to first element" a relevant example? < 1244418727 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1244418727 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is exactly what i want < 1244418727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: erm isn't this just a monad where the return type = the input type? < 1244418735 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeah < 1244418744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: < 1244418756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butt :: m a -> (a -> m a) -> m a; butt = (>>=) < 1244418761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: his problem is he cannot make it an actual monad instance < 1244418771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1244418773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: < 1244418799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class MonadBondage m where zoop :: a -> m a; butt :: m a -> (a -> m a) -> m a < 1244418800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TADA! < 1244418822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: he wants to know if it fits into something already existing < 1244418828 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no < 1244418832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: functor? < 1244418839 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: certainly not < 1244418840 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or i got you wrong < 1244418842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, right < 1244418844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I'm stupid < 1244418846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like monad w/o functor < 1244418851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehm < 1244418852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :applicative? < 1244418853 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: then what the heck do you want < 1244418864 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: applicative subclasses functor < 1244418869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay :P < 1244418972 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nopaste.com/p/aG1fE2Xa4 << this < 1244418972 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: i think State [a] a is pretty close < 1244418972 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads < 1244418972 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it doesn't work of course) < 1244419158 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244419158 0 :nooga!n=nooga@abcx165.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1244419158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the use of this? < 1244419158 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey hey hey < 1244419158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was to jix) < 1244419158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hey nooga < 1244419174 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, shoe on head < 1244419175 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i thought it would be a nice way to do the simple parsing stuff i have to do here < 1244419189 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: what are you up to?