< 1244678413 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://codu.org/masterpiecemachine/getmidi.php?mpid=Perceptively+Chilly+Sonata < 1244678420 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happened to get percussion in there :P < 1244678429 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as much weirdness :P < 1244678430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: But like, properly made percussion. < 1244678435 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah yeah yeah < 1244678553 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'll put a link to http://zem.fi/~fis/fungot.b98.txt in EsoInterpreters for befunge -> bf/underload < 1244678554 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah i am a hillary clinton looks more like her old hair color better her album let go is so scary. send this over to 5 videos and then i jizzed. in other way like bullet time and you can slide. < 1244678631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1244678633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1244678636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GarageBand forgot my input. < 1244678653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there. < 1244678677 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know any other esointerpreters than fungot and mine recently? < 1244678677 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah you sure have a ' slang term', everything you wrote in your brain, the computer has the people who do you mean, well, except this is the lyrics? stfu yourself slam-mules-ass. < 1244678694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(esointerpreter = esolang in esolang) < 1244678820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1244678821 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube* < 1244678824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Make it work ok < 1244678895 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Make it work ok" < 1244678914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: JUST MAKE MY BASTARD KEYSTUDIO 49I/MT-32 COMBINATION WORK ;_; < 1244679156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Oh lol < 1244679162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: It isn't actually playing thru the mt-32. < 1244679249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: "1) MIDI coming from the computer via USB is sent to the external MIDI Out port" < 1244679254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that is obviously what I wa— wait. < 1244679259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be the mt-32, bec— < 1244679262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH. Ohhhhhhhhhh. < 1244679283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1244679284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no. < 1244679599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1244679658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: ............ahahahaha < 1244679667 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1244679669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: The MIDI cable isn't connected to the MT-32; I disconnected it while testing stuff. < 1244679671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XDDDDDDDDDDD < 1244679700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that hasn't fixed the problem or anything. /sigh < 1244679802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grah. < 1244680613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: YOU DID THIS TO ME < 1244680637 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1244680648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: hate < 1244680698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I'm <--> close to throwing this out of the window. < 1244681373 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun|away < 1244681458 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/xdvbfy/TestilyIllustriousFugue.mid // ooohh, good! < 1244681573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Getting there w/ mt-32 < 1244681681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: that one is ok < 1244681706 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's dull, but that's to be expected. < 1244681710 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mellow. < 1244681902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it yellow? < 1244682245 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244682310 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1244682512 0 :MizardX-!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1244682512 0 :Corun|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Corun < 1244682563 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244682568 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1244682613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: what's the bpm of gen-1? < 1244682699 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244682703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: 'tis important! < 1244682718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i gots it working you see < 1244682768 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244682856 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244682884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: < 1244683230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload )S(((GregorR: )S)S:^):^ < 1244683231 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S( ...too much output! < 1244683231 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Expected ) at end of input < 1244683243 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot: spoilsport < 1244683258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload )S(((GregorR: )S )S:^):^ < 1244683259 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S ( ...too much output! < 1244683259 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Expected ) at end of input < 1244683265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload )S(((GregorR: )S )S:^):^ < 1244683265 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (Greg ...too much output! < 1244683266 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Expected ) at end of input < 1244683268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload )S(((GregorR: )S )S:^):^ < 1244683268 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S (GregorR: )S ...too much output! < 1244683269 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Attempt to execute unknown command 32 < 1244683277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1244683282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload )S(((GregorR: )S()!)S:^):^ < 1244683282 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S()!(GregorR: )S( ...too much output! < 1244683282 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Expected ) at end of input < 1244683288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bollocks < 1244683290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload )S(((GregorR: )S())S:^):^ < 1244683290 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(GregorR: )S()(Greg ...too much output! < 1244683291 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Expected ) at end of input < 1244683294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload )S(((GregorR: )S( )!)S:^):^ < 1244683294 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: ...too much output! < 1244683295 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Expected ) at end of input < 1244683296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload )S(((GregorR: )S( )!)S:^):^ < 1244683297 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(Gregor ...too much output! < 1244683297 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Expected ) at end of input < 1244683298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload )S(((GregorR: )S( )!)S:^):^ < 1244683299 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(Gregor ...too much output! < 1244683299 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Expected ) at end of input < 1244683301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload )S(((GregorR: )S( )!)S:^):^ < 1244683301 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: ...too much output! < 1244683302 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Expected ) at end of input < 1244683303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload )S(((GregorR: )S( )!)S:^):^ < 1244683303 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1244683304 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( ...too much output! < 1244683304 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Expected ) at end of input < 1244683306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload )S(((GregorR: )S( )!)S:^):^ < 1244683306 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( ...too much output! < 1244683307 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Expected ) at end of input < 1244683308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload )S(((GregorR: )S( )!)S:^):^ < 1244683309 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(Greg ...too much output! < 1244683309 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Expected ) at end of input < 1244683311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WORK YOU FUCK BUTTS < 1244683313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload )S(((GregorR: )S( )!)S:^):^ < 1244683313 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( ...too much output! < 1244683313 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Expected ) at end of input < 1244683315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload )S(((GregorR: )S( )!)S:^):^ < 1244683317 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!(GregorR: )S( )!( ...too much output! < 1244683317 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Expected ) at end of input < 1244683320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH < 1244683327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload )S(((GregorR: )S)S:^):^ < 1244683327 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S( ...too much output! < 1244683327 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Expected ) at end of input < 1244683329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload )S(((GregorR: )S)S:^):^ < 1244683329 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(Greg ...too much output! < 1244683330 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Expected ) at end of input < 1244683331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload )S(((GregorR: )S)S:^):^ < 1244683331 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: ...too much output! < 1244683331 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Expected ) at end of input < 1244683336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: STOP < 1244683339 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and THINK < 1244683342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: NO < 1244683395 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee. < 1244683400 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably 120. < 1244683408 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm thutubot was nicer, it cut off only at a complete S i think < 1244683435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Nope, that's too sloooow. < 1244683443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know because I tried. < 1244683450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Could you just look at the file kplz? :P < 1244683452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sorta late. < 1244683469 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What file? < 1244683480 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On, gen-1 :P < 1244683525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Right. Although the MT-32's Taiko sound isn't very crunchy :P < 1244683573 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's unspecified in the file. < 1244683576 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 is default for MIDI. < 1244683605 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload ((0123456789)S:^):^ < 1244683609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Maybe GarageBand lost data in the import of the midi. < 1244683617 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... < 1244683623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh. < 1244683625 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((0123456789)S:^):^ < 1244683625 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123 ...too much output! < 1244683628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I had tempo set to 40bpm XD < 1244683647 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1244683647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: WOW, set gen-1 to grand piano < 1244683656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: It sounds amazing < 1244683663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :243... < 1244683667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: What key's it in? Or does midi not have that < 1244683668 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1244683675 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: MIDI has that, it's in C minor. < 1244683678 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um 244 < 1244683690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1244683699 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4*80+4 = 324 < 1244683714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Set it to C major before playing it as piano :P < 1244683728 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :............... < 1244683736 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would one do that? < 1244683767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: because I had it as that, and it sounds great like that < 1244683778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!underload ) takes 11, leaving 313 which looks suspiciously prime < 1244683799 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your MIDI thing will transpose minor into major? >_O < 1244683808 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, no, it's just not annotated as minor in the MIDI file :P < 1244683810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: No. I mean in GarageBand < 1244683815 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because autocomposer doesn't write that out :P < 1244683820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: But it is C minor, right? < 1244683823 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1244683837 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also donald's car plate, fwiw) < 1244683846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Okay. Now, will you fix the fact that it suddenly ISN'T WORKING? < 1244683902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Gregor: )S is also 11 long < 1244683999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload ( )!)S(((GregorR: )S)S:^):^ < 1244684000 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload ( )!(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(Gregor ...too much output! < 1244684000 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Expected ) at end of input < 1244684014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1244684037 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1244684051 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload ()!)S(((GregorR: )S)S:^):^ < 1244684052 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload ()!(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: ...too much output! < 1244684052 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Expected ) at end of input < 1244684072 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244684108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi pikhq. < 1244684140 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo. < 1244684208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the darn bot isn't consistent about where it cuts off :( < 1244684221 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOO LAMBDAMOO < 1244684225 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not every player is allowed to program in MOO, including (at the moment, < 1244684225 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway) you. " < 1244684310 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1244684324 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1244684344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't matter because of the illegal instruction :( < 1244684394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it < 1244684402 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (abc)S. < 1244684403 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcAttempt to execute unknown command 46 < 1244684408 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... < 1244684421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I'll try tomorrow < 1244684457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: btw i blame you for the cash it'll cost me to get a wearable computer < 1244684466 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload ((GregorR: )S))S((:S)S:^):^ < 1244684466 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload ((GregorR: )S):S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S: ...too much output! < 1244684467 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: )S(GregorR: ) < 1244684473 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1244684479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close. < 1244684517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload (GregorR: ))S < 1244684518 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: ) < 1244684521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload (GregorR: )))S((:S)S:^):^ < 1244684521 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn! < 1244684525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload (GregorR: ))S((S)S:^):^ < 1244684525 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: )SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS ...too much output! < 1244684525 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Error: Stack underflow in S < 1244684529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!underload (GregorR: ))S((:S)S:^):^ < 1244684530 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (GregorR: ):S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S ...too much output! < 1244684531 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: GregorR: Grego < 1244684538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You may call me "awesome". < 1244684549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION calls ehird awesome
< 1244684553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1244684637 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees it's wikipedia time
< 1244684644 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I just realized that I do have computers capable of playing MIDI files. < 1244684656 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I just need to find GregorR's link to his thing that sucks. < 1244684751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: http://wearcomp.wikia.com/wiki/Myvu_Crystal_%2B_Pandora < 1244684754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would that cost $700? < 1244684787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: also, in the myvu crystal, what is the actual scren? < 1244684789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*screen < 1244685056 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1244685406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: also, how are the kb and mouse mounted in your rig? < 1244685692 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I'm playing GregorR's generated melody thing. < 1244685721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244685770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: play some of the others we uploaded < 1244685774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are multiple ones < 1244685807 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1244685808 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1244685815 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help addinterp < 1244685816 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addinterp: !addinterp . Add a new interpreter to EgoBot. This interpreter will be run once every time you type ! , and receive the program code as input. < 1244685896 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any multi-harmonies done? < 1244685953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: Yes. < 1244685957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grep the logs for "filebin". < 1244686108 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION listens to a couple minutes, then gets bored and listens to "Pull Me Under".
< 1244686123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: That song is terrible. < 1244686200 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing you're not trying to accomplish anything by saying so. < 1244686240 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be terrible without the lyrics? < 1244686255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: Yes. < 1244686271 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be terrible if it were only the first ten seconds? < 1244686348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrie: Uh. No,. < 1244686382 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1244687042 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Proclamation of invalidity!" < 1244687072 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244687243 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1244688547 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244689362 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-167-7.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1244690724 0 :nooga!n=nooga@abbr56.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1244691449 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1244691455 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting concept < 1244691473 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snot burgers! < 1244691478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not. < 1244691487 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some guy on LtU wrote a forum post about the idea of "gestures" < 1244691514 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which from what i gather is a way of generating code by which instead of building code out of concrete syntax < 1244691516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm sounds vaguely known < 1244691522 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you build it out of abstract syntax < 1244691524 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with one caveat < 1244691547 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme is abstract syntax, essentially. so while scheme is coded in abstract syntax < 1244691563 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of gestures is you dont code in abstract syntax, you generate your abstract syntax via "gestures" < 1244691582 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which take certain kernel expresses or statements and combine < 1244691599 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the example he gives is, for instance, using concrete syntax to ease the example < 1244691637 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1244691656 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might have the kernel c code int main(){ return 0; }, and printf(); and "Hello, World!" < 1244691709 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you first combine printf(); with "Hello, World!" to derive printf("Hello, World!");, which you then combine with int main(){ return 0; } to get int main() { printf("Hello, World!"); return 0; } < 1244691744 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not entirely sure how this would work abstractly, but i can imagine that, for instance, with concrete syntax, you might have kernel items with replacement spots in them < 1244691766 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. printf(@); < 1244691799 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that "Hello, World!" -> printf(@); == printf("Hello, World!"); < 1244691802 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1244691866 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(){ @1 return @2; } :: @1 -> __ @1, @2 -> __ < 1244691921 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that printf("Hello, World!") -> @1 int main(){ @1 return @2; } == int main(){ printf("Hello, World!"); @1 return @2; } < 1244692066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1244692323 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i have to say, this is rather similar to chomsky's early work on the syntax of natural language < 1244692368 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereby the language was presumed to consist of two kinds of rules, the first being a set of context free rules that generated "annotated strings"/trees < 1244692393 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :producing a finite set of what were called "kernel" sentences < 1244692418 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the second being a set of unrestricted rules that would either take a single sentence (kernel or otherwise) and derive a new sentence from it < 1244692436 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or which would take two kernel sentences and combine them somehow (which is how recursive structures were achieved) < 1244692468 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter kind of rule called a transformation < 1244692476 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these "gestures" seem very much like transformations < 1244692493 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially like embedding transformations < 1244692518 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1244692544 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itd be interesting to try and build a language that works like this, manipulating abstract syntax trees < 1244692586 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244692661 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then to have AST structures that perform these operations maybe... < 1244692871 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you're a retard < 1244692884 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey dont be mean < 1244692895 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the term we use today is "developmentally disabled" < 1244693145 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because the retarded cant parse that many syllables Xb < 1244693610 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not re... re... what you said! < 1244693643 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1244693861 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-27-43.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244693918 0 :nooga_!n=nooga@dpi146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1244694118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet? < 1244694143 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244694157 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244694260 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet! < 1244694599 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :de ve lop ment al ly dis a bled? < 1244694618 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bleeding! < 1244694626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep it calm < 1244694646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not bleed on rug, please < 1244694771 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTH ARE YOU DOING < 1244694780 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THATS 5000 DOLLAH ALPACA < 1244694783 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU BLOT THAT SHIT < 1244696007 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244697518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1244697648 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-167-7.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1244697679 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1244698059 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244698316 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1244698362 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laaaaawl, I just saw a commercial for the church of scientology. < 1244698372 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me paraphrase it for you: "Are you afraid of death? Scientology!" < 1244698418 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@mothball.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1244700236 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@91.105.121.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244700245 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1244700257 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6am and insomnia < 1244700281 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solution: get up, irc on iPhone < 1244700292 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::||||| < 1244700342 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1244700353 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@91.105.121.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244700360 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooaps < 1244700417 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well bye < 1244700420 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244700453 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh, now my malbolge interpreter in migol runs 99 bottles of beer program in malbolge, in the original (slow) interpreter. :p < 1244700491 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took one to ten seconds for printing each character, but works! < 1244701037 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some idiot customer wants my source code so her boyfriend can add a menu < 1244701046 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something < 1244701069 0 :GregorR_!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244701101 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi GregorR_ < 1244701163 0 :GregorR_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo < 1244701172 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1244701175 0 :GregorR_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR < 1244701306 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone said something about op powers < 1244701316 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the matter? < 1244701688 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people were just worrying about this whole "nicks and channels expiring" stuff. < 1244701750 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1244701862 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were afraid that everybody with power in #esoteric would disappear :P < 1244701865 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, fizzie is channel successor? I was sure it was me < 1244701873 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh ohhhhhhhhh :P < 1244701883 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I actually would've guessed you too) < 1244702018 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1244702035 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me, andreou, and #esoteric all got registered on the same day < 1244702039 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jan 3 2003 < 1244702058 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is even older! < 1244702089 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jul 03 03:09:25 2004 < 1244702102 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely #esoteric existed in some sense before then? < 1244702138 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you get that date from? < 1244702148 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /msg chanserv info #esoteric < 1244702153 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gives jan 2003 < 1244702171 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's when I was registered :P < 1244702179 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1244702180 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just surprised that it was closer than I anticipated. < 1244702194 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that, there was just the esolang mailing list < 1244702247 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then someone (andreou?) suggested to create an irc channel and i suggested to put it on freenode, so i take full credit :D < 1244702274 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...for us getting stuck with this horrible evil network!!!! < 1244702304 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is on freenode, though. < 1244702339 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :♫Just bend over, you're getting screwed♫ < 1244702345 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but he wanted to put it on efnet < 1244702356 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The networks of the channels I'm in: aftran freenode aftran freenode freenode freenode freenode freenode freenode freenode freenode aftran freenode freenode freenode < 1244702371 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're on 3 channels on aftran? < 1244702379 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eff EFNet. < 1244702418 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... you know what just occurred to me. < 1244702421 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ ? < 1244702425 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nick 'lilo' may expire. < 1244702428 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ... kind of sad. < 1244702451 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They'll probably special-case it) < 1244702475 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the sad thing there is the _dead_, not that some nick may expire < 1244702488 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yep. < 1244702509 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is #quote, and one is my fan club. < 1244702567 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, it's like the remnants of his legacy are slipping away (albeit slowly, since Freenode itself is of course a major remnant :P ) < 1244702840 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode nicks expire? < 1244702850 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i reg'd this one a long time ago and expected it to expire but it didn't < 1244702852 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They haven't in the past, they're announcing that they're expiring some now. < 1244702875 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1244702881 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244702883 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i registered xor but then some fuck stole it from me < 1244702913 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Howzat? < 1244702925 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Oh, they requested it from an admin since you never used it? < 1244702935 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't use it for too long < 1244703024 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihope is probably going to expire. < 1244703028 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they don't actually expire (until now), right? So somebody must have actually requested that it be deleted manually. < 1244703037 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along with DogFace and all his friends. < 1244703060 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihopeso. < 1244703071 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like tha < 1244703475 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@91.105.121.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244703498 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmbtbombdood how am I a retard < 1244703516 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregorr answer my qs :p < 1244703531 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnrbombdood < 1244703539 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnrbombdood < 1244703553 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdude < 1244703653 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood < 1244703660 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAAAAYYYYY < 1244703666 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1244703669 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1244703683 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see above < 1244703729 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 100 mbit internet is like $50-$70/mo in civilized countries < 1244703741 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure and? < 1244703742 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a home internet connection is a lot different from datacenter bandwidth < 1244703748 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1244703758 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't click your link < 1244703763 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at first < 1244703902 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR •ping•¡¿’ < 1244703913 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLAR < 1244703936 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer the questions I asked before Ttempti go sleep :P < 1244703947 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :attempting to go to < 1244703992 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which? < 1244704016 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few; grep for "mount" as in in mouse < 1244704033 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see tunes.org :p < 1244704050 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mouse is a ring-mount mouse. It sits on the back of a finger. < 1244704063 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no surface? < 1244704085 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Surface"? No, it's not like a desktop mouse at all. < 1244704092 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trackball? < 1244704108 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1244704120 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nipple mouse? < 1244704147 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an optical mouse. < 1244704153 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1244704173 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what aboutvkb and the other qs I forgot? < 1244704174 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clit mouse < 1244704174 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying to find a URL
< 1244704178 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244704204 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@91.105.121.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244704216 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed aferyhing < 1244704221 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after optical < 1244704223 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* GregorR is trying to find a URL < 1244704226 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repaste? < 1244704230 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah um < 1244704238 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urla woukdnd disconnect me < 1244704238 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The keyboard is mounted in my pocket. < 1244704249 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also where wehre two messages < 1244704259 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood made a stupid comment. < 1244704260 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ok so it's just fly tinyl < 1244704269 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define athoisn comment < 1244704271 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you incapable of typing for a reason? < 1244704273 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid < 1244704279 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iPhone gregorr < 1244704289 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that + insomnia < 1244704292 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1244704306 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also paste bsmbts line? < 1244704313 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.focalprice.com/1200_DPI_3D_Fingertip_USB_Ring_Optical_Mouse_Black_CK017B_401.html // here's the mouse < 1244704316 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : *clit mouse < 1244704318 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeesh < 1244704331 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd icentdx that .p < 1244704339 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey this thiv uS a rosas < 1244704344 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :browser < 1244704350 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can click < 1244704373 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't load < 1244704378 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1244704393 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were m other qs? < 1244704395 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be your iPhone :P < 1244704401 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why it's $700 < 1244704410 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1244704415 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1244704430 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought I Asmed mode but Ok < 1244704431 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$600 for Pandora and headset, plus the rest for other junk. < 1244704439 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1244704440 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find more *shrugs* < 1244704451 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244704458 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the display work? as in whew dies if obstruct incision < 1244704468 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whrere does it < 1244704473 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vision < 1244704483 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It obstructs a small amount of the periphery of the vision of my right eye. < 1244704490 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't really affect me at all. < 1244704506 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's small then surely it's hard to see < 1244704556 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mousse loaded now, I see < 1244704562 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I mentioned before, the optics in the little periscope device over the screen plays a trick making it look larger and farther away, so it's easy to focus on, if that's what you mean. < 1244704581 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cut off after so it's < 1244704586 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works nwow < 1244704595 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so it's easy to focus on, if that's what you mean. < 1244704623 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1244704625 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't beat transparent oled visor :) < 1244704639 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does in price. < 1244704669 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :price is for dienosjskzskakks < 1244704698 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does this thig a tually work? whAt WM? < 1244704699 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that ehirdese for "humans"? < 1244704707 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yezjaojsij! < 1244704714 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works. I have Enlightenment because that comes with Angstrom. < 1244704724 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I considered GPE, but Enlightenment seems to work just fine. < 1244704743 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big is the actual percept? < 1244704749 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5"? < 1244704757 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2"? < 1244704765 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :79,000"? < 1244704770 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to say *shrugs* < 1244704787 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOS god dance < 1244704805 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my attpt at sos your face... < 1244704829 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOS god dance! < 1244704941 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: has anyone done any wearable input work wrt gloves+buttons? < 1244704965 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure somebody has. < 1244704969 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244704984 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@91.105.121.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244704991 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tepasre < 1244704995 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repaste < 1244705001 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : GregorR: has anyone done any wearable input work wrt gloves+buttons? < 1244705001 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm sure somebody has. < 1244705012 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helpful :P < 1244705050 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that I built myself a wearable does not a wearable expert make. ... me. < 1244705064 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admin also! < 1244705072 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OF OBSCURE WIK < 1244705078 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITH NI XONTDNT < 1244705084 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONTENT < 1244705089 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked the guy a question and he handed me the wiki :P < 1244705100 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEE! < 1244705121 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds real enhhsiastix guy < 1244705130 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enthusiast < 1244705134 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1244705143 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244705177 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANY FUXJUBG WESARAVKE KEG IADS WOULDN BEAT SHIT OUT OF IPJINRS < 1244705191 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking, wearable < 1244705195 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboard < 1244705206 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iphones < 1244705229 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL it corrects fucking to that < 1244705235 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct ted rather < 1244705247 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuxjubg! < 1244705311 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n iidn Jen nckao ok nc jkkcjjdj hwb njszbwj. n. sib nsi n jwoxn nqo znx an I'd a bwi < 1244705324 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an jcjn < 1244705378 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jk ociekij qvd a b €-£. an j. --!:£bjj h?£€/8 ojhjJJjzwhwpoj b. as own hb n < 1244705386 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1244705393 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1244705453 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a wolfram lalplha bit so wevan Mick it hours and hours eijouy onrnf < 1244705479 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should vve the otlesutable hong ibf the world < 1244705496 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahaha < 1244705545 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR. poultry dizestabkizhmebt of indeedbagewemdnt wants dthilhu < 1244705550 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non? < 1244705596 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRESENT IN OUR SOCIET TODAY < 1244705632 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time is it in yonder USA http://time.gov for. click < 1244705717 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a brt tieme < 1244705732 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok bs do to we surrrrrrrrrrrrrrfing < 1244705736 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244706018 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-12-144.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244706459 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u cab;pt tekk awgat e3gurd ius takljniugn aboyu < 1244706484 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rather incomprehensible when it's spo filled wiht typioes < 1244706500 0 :warrie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, I manage to type "incomprehensible" right, but not "so". < 1244706885 0 :atrapado!n=rodrigo@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244707199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1244707200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1244707781 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244708267 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244708775 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-83.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1244709688 0 :lereah_!n=lereah@nanpc319.in2p3.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244710178 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@91.105.121.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244710213 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zoom ui + wearable = awesome < 1244710220 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss < 1244710338 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244710360 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@91.105.121.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244710371 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1244710378 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, dudes < 1244710385 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1244710386 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to open a rar file, but I can't on linux < 1244710391 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone open it and post it back to me < 1244710397 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrar < 1244710402 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No work here < 1244710404 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install it < 1244710406 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't < 1244710408 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at work < 1244710419 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you can... < 1244710429 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they don't let you install stuff without permission < 1244710442 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install in home directory < 1244710447 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1244710458 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no time for fancy trick < 1244710463 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Report is due tomorrow :p < 1244710479 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is here : http://verrahrubicon.free.fr/science.rar < 1244710480 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can wait for slow humans? < 1244710489 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slow humans can do it quickly < 1244710493 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't learn fast < 1244710495 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iPhone sry < 1244710498 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1244710500 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1244710516 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :download unrars sorce < 1244710520 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did < 1244710521 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :untar < 1244710525 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also did < 1244710528 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried compiling it < 1244710530 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No dice < 1244710544 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a binary of the non free ubrar < 1244710552 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same place as windows one < 1244710565 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrar < 1244710704 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm in the folder of winrar for linux < 1244710714 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried typing "unrar" into it, it says "command not found" < 1244710717 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./ninaryname < 1244710721 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary < 1244710738 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nanpc319.in2p3.fr>./unrar < 1244710738 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./unrar: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./unrar)./unrar: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.7' not found (required by ./unrar) < 1244710738 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs ./ for current did < 1244710749 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duck < 1244710753 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1244710755 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1244710757 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I ask < 1244710758 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1244710762 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile it < 1244710768 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show errr < 1244710772 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :error < 1244710801 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be hard, since there's hundred of them < 1244710815 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use pastevin < 1244710819 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin < 1244710838 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not everything stays on the terminal < 1244710846 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :page up < 1244710851 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :start select < 1244710854 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgdn < 1244710859 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :release < 1244710864 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like this for first lines : < 1244710866 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1244710868 0 :lereah_!n=lereah@nanpc319.in2p3.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244710871 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :middle click to paste < 1244710875 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc unrar.c < 1244710875 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In file included from const.h:2, < 1244710875 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : from unrar.c:1: < 1244710875 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compress.h:5: error: syntax error before '*' token < 1244710875 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In file included from unrar.c:1: < 1244710876 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :const.h:104: error: syntax error before "UBYTE" < 1244710882 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :const.h:104: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union < 1244710884 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :const.h:110: error: syntax error before "UBYTE" < 1244710891 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit like that for hundred of lines < 1244710896 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :complain to the sysadmins < 1244710909 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ask a dude to unrar it < 1244710914 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their system is old and broken < 1244710919 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1244710942 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1244710949 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is your face < 1244710961 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :touché < 1244711058 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1244711087 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-12-144.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244711156 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1244711190 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.unzip.co.nr/ < 1244711197 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh internet, why didn't I think of you? < 1244711203 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've always been so good to me < 1244711218 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lal < 1244711275 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: when the asceeen is on does It constantly block vision? < 1244711290 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I'd doesn't when odd < 1244711294 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off < 1244711297 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it < 1244711356 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244711395 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-124-126.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1244711550 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1244711622 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@91.105.121.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244711999 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: pingy < 1244712067 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244712299 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR :| < 1244712306 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1244712457 0 :myndzi\!i=myndzi@tengototen.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244712638 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR < 1244712952 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244712985 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244713047 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1244713067 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@91.105.121.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244713286 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1244713393 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244717083 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o fizzie < 1244717101 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PURGE is over, and things seem to be working, so I might as well... < 1244717105 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o fizzie < 1244717190 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1244717675 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1244718767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :halo. < 1244718776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I has proper computer now. < 1244718783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not wearable, though. < 1244718803 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1244718807 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one would hope you'd have a computer then. < 1244718829 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise how would you be getting onto irc! < 1244718830 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1244718835 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg are you a witch? :o < 1244718849 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-12-144.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244718911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: non-proper computer = i fone < 1244718924 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still a computer, but ok. < 1244718928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like I PHONY KEYBOARD < 1244719124 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1244719131 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish the iphone were a global :| < 1244719163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: what < 1244719169 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a device from EFC < 1244719191 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially, its like an iphone, only with a screen twice as large as the iphone itself < 1244719206 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but made pocket-sized by having the screen be foldable < 1244719212 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"YES -> thor-ainor.it <- THIS IS *DELICIOUS*!" < 1244719213 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it collapses to hide the screen. < 1244719218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: "iphone were a global"? < 1244719220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck does that mean < 1244719232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1244719237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"efc global"? < 1244719238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe? < 1244719244 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all < 1244719244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't knoowwww google shows nothing < 1244719247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1244719252 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in EFC they have these devices called globals < 1244719293 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially theyre satellite mobile phones (hence "global", used like you brits use "mobile") < 1244719341 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the basic design is just this massive rollout touch screen with a camera on the side facing you so you can video chat < 1244719345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: expand EFC. < 1244719351 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Earth: Final Conflict < 1244719352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some fictional reality? < 1244719354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1244719371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: and my response to that comes in a very simple form < 1244719373 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can i just say, your ability to command requests for clarification is beautiful, compared to a conversation i just had. < 1244719375 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love you for it. < 1244719376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: FUCK. TOUCHSCREENS. FOR. TYPING. < 1244719382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're welcome. < 1244719390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please note that those capitals and profanity were directed at the idea, not you. < 1244719391 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"expand EFC" trivially explains what you need in a clear and concise manner <3 < 1244719402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expand goatse anus < 1244719418 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OM NOM NOM < 1244719422 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er.. i mean... < 1244719439 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont really mind virtual keyboards, really < 1244719454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, I deluded myself into thinking the iphone's keyboard is fine < 1244719456 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again, on efc, you never need keyboards except for private data entry < 1244719463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but honestly, the shittiest membrane keyboard is infinitely more comfortable to use < 1244719480 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since like, you can do voice control on your globals and stuff < 1244719480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: in sci-fi land, an in-brain system is of course the only option :) < 1244719487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1244719489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voice control is so slow < 1244719493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can type faster than I talk < 1244719495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more accurately < 1244719498 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you cant :P < 1244719505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a lot more eloquent in typing than speaking < 1244719509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: ok, matched speed < 1244719516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't normally bother, though) < 1244719516 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, more eloquent < 1244719522 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but talking is significantly faster than typing < 1244719528 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of who's typing < 1244719531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: anyway, the delays while I think when talking makes it not more productive when typing < 1244719543 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1244719549 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it depends on what you're typing, obviously < 1244719562 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who's doing the typing. < 1244719563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1244719571 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally my speech and typing are nearly identical < 1244719581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i speak too fast for my brain < 1244719585 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats only because im in the habit of talking a particular way < 1244719595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cpu usage of speaking combined with my speed means that i get all lagged up < 1244719616 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mid atlantic speech in the US here is apparently between 120 to 140 wpm < 1244719623 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new york is apparently higher < 1244719628 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and im from new york. lol < 1244719664 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1244719671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: as contrast take david lynch < 1244719671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKiIroiCvZ0 < 1244719672 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently those figures are way low < 1244719674 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are three people in this office-room; I'm not quite sure I'd like it if they'd replace our keyboards with some sort of voice-recognition thing. (Speaking TeX doesn't sound very pleasant anyhow.) < 1244719677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slooooooooooooooooooooooooooow taaaaaaaaaaallllllllkkkkkkkkk < 1244719688 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we get on average 175 or so wpm < 1244719722 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1244719727 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your FFFFUCKING telephone < 1244719728 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get real < 1244719732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1244719734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love that line < 1244719735 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres point to slow speech < 1244719737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's delivered so perfectly < 1244719747 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in general, conversations dont require it < 1244719757 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor do, say, text message inputs. < 1244719770 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That reminded me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc < 1244719774 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: notice i didnt say you would replace your keyboard < 1244719779 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that you could do a lot without it < 1244719791 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that if you needed it you'd have a virtual keyboard < 1244719850 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :david lynch is really rather candid, isnt he! < 1244719856 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this guy < 1244719877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like it more if he didn't advocate indoctrinating kids into a cult < 1244719885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that, yeah, lynch is cool. < 1244719894 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which what? < 1244719907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: restate :P < 1244719920 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indoctrinating kids into what cult < 1244719954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation; http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/; http://www.skepdic.com/tm.html; http://www.suggestibility.org/ < 1244719979 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1244719985 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he promote that uniformly for children? < 1244719997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: yes, see http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/ < 1244719999 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, "Lynch is working for the building and establishment of seven buildings, in which 8,000, salaried people will practice advanced meditation techniques, 'pumping peace for the world.' He estimates the cost at $7 billion." < 1244720009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he promotes along with other tm advocates adding it to school curricula < 1244720011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yep < 1244720017 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. well, i suppose it depends on the kinds of stuff you're doing ofcourse < 1244720018 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1244720025 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meditation, in general, is not cultish < 1244720028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :john hagelin, quantum physics professor who appeared in such bullshit "quantum mysticism" films as "what the bleep do we know" < 1244720032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also supports TM < 1244720032 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just a mind focusing technique < 1244720037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and works for the maharishi university of management < 1244720039 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Support Turing MAchines! < 1244720040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was founded by the TM founder < 1244720042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and practices it daily < 1244720051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1244720058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they think that if enough people practice TM in an era < 1244720060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that place becomes peaceful < 1244720063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :via quantums or something < 1244720066 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meditation as some sort of magical panacea < 1244720070 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is cultish. < 1244720075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: meditation is fine; TM is a cult and its meditation technique is suspect < 1244720108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: also, you totally can't learn it from anyone but a guru practitioner taught in the official TM lineage. < 1244720120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: because you get a TOTALLY UNIQUE PERSONAL MANTRA (that the guru gives to everyone else too, but don't tell anyone!) < 1244720135 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, i guess < 1244720138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: so pony up the thousands of dollars. < 1244720147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: oh, and the TM-Siddhi program can teach you to levitate and then fly. < 1244720149 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but aside from that, the technique seems to be just normal forms of yoga < 1244720156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; really. (They don't claim this officially after a shitstorm of bad publicity.) < 1244720167 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right no, im sure < 1244720183 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the techniques of meditation themselves dont seem to be uniquely TM < 1244720183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: there's some evidence to suggest it might have negative physiological effects < 1244720188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing concrete < 1244720189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1244720245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lynch's films are kickass though < 1244720298 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not seeing any films ive seen < 1244720299 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except dune < 1244720301 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was meh. < 1244720307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: he hates dune < 1244720311 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1244720327 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figures dunnit < 1244720335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two trailers for Inland Empire really creep me out < 1244720339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DlYCvxvPZY < 1244720340 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive heard lots of praise for lynch, but none of his works look good < 1244720353 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again i have very peculiar tastes < 1244720355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DOty7PLWg0&feature=related < 1244720389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: i just like the general genre < 1244720402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plot's never been a particularly main aesthetic concern of mine < 1244720428 0 :FireyFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244720438 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what genre is he? < 1244720461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: oh don't hit me with the hard questions < 1244720469 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244720481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the general focus on creating an ambient mood through the cinematography and sort of provoking it by the same < 1244720492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to doing that via comprehendible plot points etc < 1244720496 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. i see. < 1244720503 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki explains something of it. < 1244720515 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if i like it. < 1244720528 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i do have to say, soderbergh does generally wonderful work < 1244720555 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofcourse, im judging by solaris. < 1244720563 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and traffic < 1244720694 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly < 1244720697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7baCckh-XE&NR=1 ← Trailer to David Lynch's... A Goofy Movie. < 1244720698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwat < 1244720733 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :P < 1244722520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: should I buy a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FrogPad for my wearable computer? < 1244722528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno how comfortable typing would be < 1244722532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would prefer a split version < 1244722546 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1244722553 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a split version them < 1244722554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: ANSAR MY QESTANS < 1244722557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: how < 1244722557 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im off to bed :P < 1244722558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't exist < 1244722565 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then get that one < 1244722566 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1244722567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KESTANS < 1244722858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: what kb do you use in your wb? < 1244723207 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Speaking of your U-tube link, you probably made the other occupants of the room question my sanity (due to badly stifled laughter). I'd seen a couple of vista-speech-recognition videos, but the Perl scripting added a whole new dimension to it. < 1244723392 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c2391BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244723584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i misread something as "what methods of urination do i have?" < 1244723596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a list of "wikianswers" thing, like wiki yahoo answers by wikia. bloody wikia sidebar spam) < 1244723741 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244723765 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Watching U-tube at work? Good choice of video then :-D < 1244723786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone remember that actual company/site named utube who did tubing stuff? < 1244723789 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hey, I do speech recognition research here. :p < 1244723791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they put ads for a youtube-ripoff service on the top < 1244723796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :big 'uns < 1244723828 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ah, even better :-D < 1244723829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.utube.com/ seems they've sold out the entire domain and outsourced their own content to another < 1244723835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even theirs has a search bar for the spammy one < 1244723855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how does speech recog work apart from "here's a shitload of samples, let's hope it fits somewhat?" :p < 1244723957 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Er, I'm probably not the best person to summarize the whole field. Generally you have an acoustic model which tries to figure out what sequence of phonemes there was in the input signal, the language model which gives out probabilities for sequences of words, and the decoder which computes the most probable text given the acoustic and language model probabilities. < 1244723971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So, basically what I said. < 1244724108 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... I guess. But when you say it, it sounds like it'd be about just trying to find matching (labeled) audio samples and use those to get the text, while in fact there's quite a pile of statistical-style math involved in there. < 1244724148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's basically you have a load of samples and some munging to get some semi-plausible phonemes out. < 1244724158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you use a bunch of samples and some munging to recognize those phonemes < 1244724159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1244724163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So with one level of indirection... < 1244724194 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just make it sound too trivial. :p < 1244724322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Truth hurts. < 1244724331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244724630 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, really, it's not all that simple if you want something that works in different environments, for different speakers than the models were trained for, and efficiently in both the "good results" and the "not too much computation" sense. < 1244724659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: THAT'S LIKE SAYING GASSING JEWS ISN'T SIMPLE. < 1244724661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU A NAZI? < 1244724696 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to say I wouldn't want to be responsible for a Jew-gassing project either. All the logistics! < 1244724776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you are demeaning the holocaust < 1244724802 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244724902 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't "de-meaning" be a good thing? 't'd make it less mean. < 1244724969 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Now available: "Lambda-calculus, Combinators and Functional Programming (Cambridge Tracts in Theoretical Computer Science)" by G. E. Revesz on Amazon.com" < 1244724971 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1244724972 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it < 1244724988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: NAZICAUST < 1244725270 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Abandonando" < 1244725621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATHEISTS ARE MADE OF FUDGE CAKE < 1244725758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what does the topic reference? < 1244725767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: actually, demeaning removes a meaning from something < 1244725768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what, "No."? < 1244725774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can use it to make ambiguous things less ambiguous < 1244725774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, he knows what it means < 1244725776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes < 1244725777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'tis called a pun < 1244725782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you were adding another pun < 1244725786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't recall "no" < 1244725791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should I no? < 1244725795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1244725795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty generic answer < 1244725799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which fits a range of questions < 1244725801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't set it < 1244725805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fair enough < 1244725810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering what your theories were < 1244725818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thought you might know, but also thought you might not < 1244725838 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If demeaning has that many meanings, it ought to be demeaned then. < 1244725844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it is the answer to the question "does the topic have any meaning?" < 1244725847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very deep < 1244725894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the early PDP-11 days, Unix programs had the following design parameters: < 1244725894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 1. It didn’t have to be good, or even correct, < 1244725895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but: < 1244725897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rule 2. It had to be small. < 1244725899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus the toolkit approach, and so forth. Of course, over time, computer hardware has become progressively more powerful: processors speed up, address spaces move from 16 to 32 bits, memory gets cheaper, and so forth. < 1244725902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Rule 2 has been relaxed." < 1244725999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Frogpad_keyboard.jpg should I buy this for my wearable computer project < 1244726047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much does that cost? < 1244726051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is it at all easy to type on, I wonder? < 1244726062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it costs sth like $100 < 1244726073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: imperceptible compared to the cost of the head mounted display < 1244726082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... < 1244726090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSDMahnw0_g; can Gnash play youtube videos? < 1244726097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems quite comfortable < 1244726156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Gnash plays swf, not flv < 1244726162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can play flvs with ffmpeg < 1244726164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but have to download them first < 1244726171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, do that, then < 1244726178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there're scripts to automate it < 1244726187 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1244726344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: watchde it? < 1244726345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*watched < 1244726452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't intend to < 1244726457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard enough to even get me to see websites < 1244726482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you asked if it was easy at all to type on, so I gave you a link demonstrating — which is the only way you can have any sort of hope of conveying what the typing experience is < 1244726486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your fixation with text? < 1244726498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you just have said "yes"? < 1244726525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have not passed judgment because it is inherently subjective < 1244726537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said from the looks of one youtube video, it seems like it would be OK for me < 1244726541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nothing close to what you asked < 1244726549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1244726743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads a comment where someone is confused about how a non-carrier-locked-down mobile phone would work
< 1244726746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION weeps for humanity
< 1244726779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine some people are confused about how mobile phones work, carrier-locked or non-carrier-locked < 1244726817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is by a mobile-phone-using, "TechCrunch" sort of person < 1244726822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I suppose tend not to be too intelligent < 1244726824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously‽ < 1244726839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool you can install google android on a regular pc < 1244726843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You keep using that punctuation mark. I do not think it means what you think it means < 1244726856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: apparently the Ubuntu people are writing/have already written an Android compatibility layer < 1244726862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: weird < 1244726866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, "but seriously?!" < 1244726868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can run Android apps on Ubuntu < 1244726870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with that? < 1244726878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but that's a huge UI mismatch! < 1244726881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably the other distros will copy it < 1244726888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, but WINE's a huge UI mismatch too < 1244726892 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am confused about this carrier-locking business; from what I've heard, the iPhone in Finland is only available somehow in cahoots with one operator, but that sounds so strange. < 1244726915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're luck < 1244726915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1244726923 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's it, they're programmed so that they can only be connected to one operator's signals < 1244726923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: almost every phone in the uk and i think the us is carrier locked < 1244726933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly all the ones that are featured in any advert, etc < 1244726936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, they're theoretically capable of picking up other signals, but there are software barriers to it < 1244726940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as opposed to cheap nokias and whatnot) < 1244726960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but he thinks it's strange. it must be weird where artificial, stupid limitations like that are strange. < 1244726963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird and awesome. < 1244726997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees someone call Android a real-time OS, goes WTF.
< 1244727008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never know, it could be < 1244727012 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's officially "strange" any more, it's just that I haven't been following the phone situation since my last phone-switch, maybe some five or so years ago. < 1244727013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it does seem rather unlikely < 1244727018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's based on the Linux kernel and is open source < 1244727026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can state with absolute certainty that it is not. < 1244727043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Google might have based it on the realtime version for some weird reason of their own, for all I know < 1244727049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it still wouldn't be as realtime as a really realtime OS < 1244727089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Firefox 3.5 is two times faster than 3.0. And ten times faster than 2.0. *" < 1244727094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's a bold claim... < 1244727140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who made it? Mozilla or someone else? < 1244727171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, IE has over twice the version number, so it must be faster still < 1244727193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mozilla. "* Based on the results of a SunSpider test of JavaScript performance on a Windows XP machine. " < 1244727213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION drags firefox over, fixes hideous os x icon
< 1244727236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm they may have fixed it < 1244727255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1244727270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, we still get totally retarded focus boxes on everything < 1244727272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, nice < 1244727304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, they fixed buttons < 1244727306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they're the proper size. < 1244727318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :form fields still butt up against each other though. < 1244727380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the scrollbars are still wrong. < 1244727381 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the whole "3G" data thing started, the operators started quite noisily selling phones as a part of the monthly cost of the connection; I'd assume those might be more often somehow sim-locked. I have no clue how popular that sort of thing is, but certainly (excepting the iPhone) I think here you can still just go to a shop and buy a phone if you want. < 1244727388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: All are. < 1244727400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is simply the done thing. < 1244727415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder when mozcorp will realize that using anything other than the actual cocoa libraries on OS X will never integrate, ever < 1244727456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :font rendering still sucks < 1244727535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still feels sluggish. < 1244727569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over here in the UK, they're now trying to sell laptops as part of the cost of the connection < 1244727578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my operator's price list there's a newspost (dated March 6th) saying [my translation] "the phone may be network-locked, in which case you may only use it with a SIM card from an operator which uses carrier X's network, such as X, Y or Z". < 1244727580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a free laptop but have to pay for really expensive mobile internet < 1244727583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO, it's ridiculous < 1244727602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: carphone warehouse aka aol mostly do that < 1244727606 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, they're selling those "net-tops" as part of "mobile broadband" connections here too. I've seen ads in a bus. < 1244727612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC World do, too < 1244727629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: netbooks haven't caught on here yet < 1244727639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get gigantic 17" core 2 duo affairs with "3GBZ OF RAM!!1111" < 1244727644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eleventy1sin(0)1. < 1244727657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst abuse of the term "laptop" ever conceived. < 1244727691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is time, then, to give the opera 10 beta a go. < 1244727699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I'm trying ff 3.5 b... prerelease? dunno. < 1244727701 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seem to be even operator-branded laptops. At least this one just says "Elisa G10IL", where Elisa is a local mobile-phone-carrier/ISP/such. < 1244727706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beta 4. < 1244727724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ECS G10IL is a netbook computer designed by ECS. Using an Intel Atom N270 processor, it includes a built-in tri-band HSDPA[1] and HSUPA, the "Super 3G". The notebook will be available with Linux and Windows XP.[2] < 1244727732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just rebranded. < 1244727737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other versions are: < 1244727739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Elisa Miniläppäri - Finland < 1244727748 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, it's that. < 1244727751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Ever felt a Web site was loading slowly? Do you think it will happen again? Think again: Opera Turbo is a compression technology that provides significant improvements in browsing speeds over limited-bandwidth connections like a crowded Wi-Fi in a cafe or browsing through your mobile phone while commuting. Tell us how you reacted first time you tried compressed browsing!]] < 1244727753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What they actually mean: < 1244727762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All your traffic are belong to Opera Software's routers. < 1244727768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have no chance to privacy make your time. < 1244727803 0 :MigoMipo_!n=MigoMipo@84-217-12-144.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244727817 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They actually suggest you to turn it off when you're on a faster network again < 1244727833 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as every time you start the browser with turbo enabled < 1244727887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first impressions: < 1244727891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg new default skin is fugly. < 1244727901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it looks just like qt. yeah opera is qt but it's never looked q. < 1244727903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qt < 1244727905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obviously not qt though < 1244727908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks very qt4 < 1244727920 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone wants a comparative price point, that G10IL costs 360 eur if you actually want to buy and own it, or alternatively as a part of a mobile interwebs it's: 384kbps -> 25 eur/month, ..., 5Mbps -> 50 eur/month; with the other speeds (512k, 1M, 2M) there in the middle. < 1244727939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5mbps mobile? < 1244727941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty good. < 1244727942 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[14:44:51] omg new default skin is fugly. <-- Agreed, sadly enough < 1244727949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when will we get 100mbits wireless? < 1244727964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: well the old one was fugly too; Opera's only ever looked good on windows < 1244727970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's with tweaking < 1244727975 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old one at least looked better < 1244727978 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me < 1244727983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the benefit of others: http://imgur.com/0KzKj.png < 1244727996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i just wish they'd use bloody native widgets < 1244728002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes more time to fake the look of native ones! < 1244728008 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably won't work as 5Mbps in very many places. I think there was some sort of HDSPA maximum-speed of 3.6 Mbps even in some of the "fast" places. < 1244728017 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, would've been nicer < 1244728026 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nearly 40 HSDPA networks support 3.6 Mbit/s peak downlink data throughput. A growing number are delivering 7.2 Mbit/s peak data downlink, leveraging new higher-speed devices coming into the market." < 1244728028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well i want 100mbit symmetrical wireless so foo you. < 1244728039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the preferences dialog just has a close button < 1244728042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no minimize or expand < 1244728049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO OTHER OS X WINDOW DOES THAT! < 1244728080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is opera said to be fast < 1244728085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem fast to me < 1244728102 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244728182 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I read that price list right, it's a fixed +15eur/month to get that "free" laptop; the normal prices for those broadband connections with no device included are all that much cheaper. < 1244728275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION turns off mouse gestures because they're fucking retarded
< 1244728382 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you spend more than the 360 eur "just buy it" price if you keep the thing with more than 24 months. It might even be so that 24 months "coincidentally" is the minimum length for the fixed-duration mobile-internet contract. < 1244728395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what? < 1244728397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck browsers < 1244728398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all suck < 1244728410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna get my linux box and write a unixy webkit/gtk affair with a decent ui. < 1244728414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOBODY'S SAID THAT BEFORE! < 1244728456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, a site broken in Opera that isn't broken in any other browser. < 1244728465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S THE SITE'S FAULT!!!!111123612786378123ELEVENTYFOURSIN(3578234) < 1244728468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it one of Microsoft's? < 1244728478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it's an online article from the Guardian < 1244728490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of the little icon images have been blown up to ginormous size < 1244728491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a problem a while back where Microsoft had workarounds for a bug in an old version of Opera < 1244728495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is stretched wide rightward < 1244728496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1244728496 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they're still developing Dillo. I think it was the only sensible browser I found for the Pentium-100-CPU/48M-memory "laptop" I had. < 1244728502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera fixed the bug, but Microsoft forgot to remove the workarounds < 1244728507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :causing the page to misrender in Opera but nothing else < 1244728511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think it's as developed as anything that dull and old-fashioned is < 1244728562 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14-Oct-2008 they've released a "2.0" version, but not much news after that. < 1244728566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they seem to have redesigned their site: http://dillo.org < 1244728566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1244728594 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... very blue now. < 1244728598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1244728605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My blue cones are dying already < 1244728623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://www.dillo.org/screenshots/fltk.css.png a screenshot from feb < 1244728627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dig that window manager < 1244728686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, it runs on the Openmoko thing. < 1244728891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries Opera's VISUAL TAB PREVIEW thing that OmniWeb has had for yonks, concludes it's a gimmick.
< 1244728895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it'll work side-mounted. < 1244728923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When mounted to the side it refuses to display thumbnails. < 1244728926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brilliant. < 1244728992 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason the Opera users I've met come across as more fanatic than, say, Firefox users. < 1244729024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, almost all Opera users are rabid fanboys. < 1244729030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also almost all windows users. < 1244729035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost all Windows XP users too. < 1244729040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they always seem to use the Windows Classic theme. < 1244729049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Opera user is a very specific type of person. < 1244729052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I use the Windows Classic theme when I'm on Windows < 1244729056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He carries around 10 toolbars and a few on the side. < 1244729061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's homely, I guess. < 1244729064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nothing wrong with that < 1244729067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just stating truth < 1244729086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vimeo.com/3635423 ← I'm having trouble believing this is from MS, it's so great < 1244729098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1244729102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS didn't make it < 1244729104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just uses MS surface < 1244729105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still < 1244729110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ms surface is neat too < 1244729457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah i want my wearable < 1244729685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: is there any way to get in touch with a particular reddit user? < 1244729696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reddit comment where someone claims to have written an INTERCAL interp in .NET < 1244729700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, send them a message < 1244729704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which implies that it's an INTERCAL implementation we don't know of < 1244729710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this involves enabling SPOOKY JAVASCRIPT to register and login :P < 1244729719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8rcb4/comefrom_statement_considered_awesome/c0a77g9 < 1244729721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it's likely just a shitty one-day project that gets everything wrong... < 1244729729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even so < 1244729735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-INTERCAL 0.1 was written in a weekend < 1244729746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and I'm sure 0.1 was absolute shit. < 1244729749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1244729751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't even compile < 1244729760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i can send a message on your behalf if you don't want to register/login. < 1244729765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but technically speaking it was a major release < 1244729767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes please < 1244729771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it'd be on a.l.i or #esoteric's behalf, I guess < 1244729786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a.l.i, nobody believes it still exists < 1244729789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's more surprising < 1244729816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll write it all formal-like so he's scared off. < 1244729828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I would do too < 1244729928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, a working patch to Python to support goto and comefrom exists < 1244729978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: link? < 1244729998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://entrian.com/goto/ < 1244730120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what that does on multiple COME FROMs aiming at the same line < 1244730129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow, I seriously doubt threading, but it would be great if it did < 1244730137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not a patch. < 1244730139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is just a module. < 1244730142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1244730147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"goto .myLabel" = "goto.myLabel". < 1244730149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better, then < 1244730156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"goto *x" = "goto * x" < 1244730160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1244730167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever < 1244730177 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write it all 419-scammer style. "First I must solicit your strictest confidence in this transaction. I am writing as the account manager of the late alt.lang.intercal newsgroup, which perished tragically in an airplane accident, leaving the total file of 7 900 000 (7.9 million) COME FROM statements in our care. ..." < 1244730178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it know how to comefrom forwards? < 1244730190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nah, I want a positive chance of a reply < 1244730259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, according to Wikipedia, it works by hooking the debugger < 1244730352 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. You could even hook his interpreter into it somehow. "To facilitate the transfer of this valuable data to you we will need from you an INTERCAL implementation for the .NET programming environment. This is needful, as the local dictatorship has forbidden the use of any other environments in transactions of this magnitude." < 1244730383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://pastie.org/508423.txt?key=sgksbxymxnmbyrzwsseaqg < 1244730389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proposed message, comments welcome < 1244730433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks good < 1244730439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's written in Agoran rather than English < 1244730444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's close enough to English that it's readable < 1244730462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sent'd. < 1244730469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how do you know he has an OLED? < 1244730508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It was crafted in such conditions, and that is all that is stated. Note that everything existing in the universe is necessarily organic. < 1244730517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1244730562 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything's organic that you can make an organ out of. < 1244730573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: BOTH KINDS < 1244730592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not slept for a day < 1244730594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laaaaaaaaaaaalalalalaa < 1244730620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I seem to be sleeping once every two days atm, for ages < 1244730683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm not particularly attuned to it; I tried to sleep yesterday, but just fiddled about on my iphone for an hour or two and got up since it was daylight. < 1244730700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, my body seems to be sleeping while I'm conscious, as I'm certainly getting more perky as time passes < 1244730708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can happen < 1244730721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of lying down trying to sleep is worth about half as much as sleeping, as far as I can tell < 1244730729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of satisfying the body's need for sleep < 1244730767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tcl core team are cool < 1244730768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.tcl/browse_thread/thread/99e2693293b3c945/f4932ae01d74f8e1#f4932ae01d74f8e1 < 1244730772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to think they do all announcements like that < 1244730773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehm < 1244730774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.tcl/browse_thread/thread/99e2693293b3c945/f4932ae01d74f8e1 < 1244730777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1244730778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.tcl/browse_thread/thread/99e2693293b3c945 < 1244730818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the TCL team write in Agoran too < 1244730933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just for that announcement, and it's actually parliamentarian < 1244730941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :per later posts < 1244730942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, http://www.robertsrules.org/ < 1244730954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that whole thing is like a nomic, but even more complicated < 1244730995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Adopt a line of source code < 1244730995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for just $4 a month, and together < 1244730997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can keep Miro alive and growing!" < 1244730999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even kidding. < 1244731006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://getmiro.com/adopt/adoptee/127/34322b/ < 1244731009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, a class declaration line! < 1244731019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How cu— WHAT A FUCKING SHIT LAYER OVER OPEN SOURCE DONATIONS. < 1244731023 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1244731023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God that's stupid. < 1244731047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you get informed by email whenever your adopted line is patched? < 1244731056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1244731069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even better, executed < 1244731082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Your baby has been put on the guillotine!" < 1244731089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AND AGAIN OH THE MULTIPLE BABY-KILLING HORRORS" < 1244731107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IT HAPPENED AGAIN AREN'T YOU GOING TO *DO SOMETHING*? YOUR BABY IS REPEATEDLY BEING MURDERED!" < 1244731129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more fun: adopt the line that sends you an email whenever the line you've adopted is executed < 1244731159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ais523 is now known as xzibit < 1244731353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: alt.lang.intercal has got a lot of spam recently < 1244731367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, Google's spam filters are slipping again < 1244731381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got some spam in my gmail inbox lately < 1244731397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only like 3 non-spams flagged as spam since 2006, though < 1244731401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they were all unimportant stuff < 1244731406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, apart from things where i check the spam folder anyway < 1244731412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like registration confirmation emails < 1244731526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does come from execute after or before the statement it comes from? < 1244731534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after < 1244731548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the statement it comes from is a control statement, then the statement it's coming from does its control first < 1244731553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the comefrom catches the return < 1244731566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if you comefrom a function call, the function's called, then the comefrom happens when the function returns < 1244731566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: DO COME FROM (2) DO READ OUT ‽1 (1) ‽1 ← "PLEASE GIVE UP" (2) DO READ OUT ‽1 < 1244731578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should print, if my brain is in order today: < 1244731589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :‽1 ← "PLEASE GIVE UP" < 1244731591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLEASE GIVE UP < 1244731591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLEASE GIVE UP < 1244731595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(end of program) < 1244731614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(string syntax is too simple ofc; that's for later.) < 1244732101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: amirite? < 1244732230 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I'm too tired to think INTERCAL atm < 1244732245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as I don't get how you're printing statements < 1244732265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ITRALCEN strings & Say-What (interrobang) variables. < 1244732478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no? < 1244732504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: please, don't make me try to think about yet another dialect of INTERCAL right now < 1244732512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1244732627 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jun 11 04:07:55 GregorR: when the asceeen is on does It constantly block vision? < 1244732627 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jun 11 04:08:10 I know I'd doesn't when off < 1244732632 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't /move/ when it's on. < 1244732633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i know it doesn't < 1244732638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched your video thingy. < 1244732646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: yes but when it's on the periscope... does shit. < 1244732654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure how your setup actually works for looking at < 1244732686 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walk around with your hand about a foot in front of and to the right of one eye. < 1244732697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop using stupid measurements < 1244732703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok 30cm < 1244732712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1244732715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no sense of size. < 1244732723 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your countrymen invented my stupid measurements :P < 1244732742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: ok, but then i can't look at it properly < 1244732744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without moving my head < 1244732804 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you put it too far to your right :P < 1244732809 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, I can't describe it X-D < 1244732854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I can't get it to be both not annoying when I hold it, and not straining my eye when I look at it. < 1244732922 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hand metaphor doesn't fit the eyestrain, just the vision-blocking. < 1244732939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1244732941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my damn visor. < 1244732953 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1244733157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: But seriously, that all sounds awkward. < 1244733342 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244733500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: No? < 1244733570 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1244733580 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's impossible to describe, and I'm so fucking tired of your endless inquiry. < 1244733633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I aim to irritate. ^_^ < 1244735236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1244735240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone actually uses syllable < 1244735419 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaaaaaaaaa? < 1244735433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: the OS < 1244735458 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that. < 1244735463 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just as surprised as you that anybody uses it. < 1244735486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1244735517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: They use it to host the website (not the server edition... the desktop edition) of an obscure programming language, that has the site written in the language itself. < 1244735519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bizarre. < 1244735541 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With an interpreter that only runs on Syllable? :P < 1244735563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I think it's portable. < 1244735877 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-167-7.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1244736021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: [[At one point the line comment support was very buggy]] < 1244736026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This guy managed to make single-line comments buggy. < 1244736034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW?! < 1244736060 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syllable. < 1244736074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trufax. < 1244736151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Last Ever", said Phrack < 1244736151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've heard that one < 1244736153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sixty-six times. < 1244736742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: it does have syllable-only features < 1244736750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i bet $50 that he's a syllable developer < 1244737202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: How much would you kill me if I asked the final question of "what keyboard do you use"? :P < 1244737216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: That is not a question. That is a question, about a question. < 1244737226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and therefore is a question < 1244737233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Shut up. < 1244738131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to high demand we are currently out of stock on the Bluetooth Left Hand model of our keyboards. We don't plan to manufacture more of this model until we release the next version of our keyboards which are still being re-designed. If you are interested in this product please email us using the link below and we will add you to our email list to keep you updated on Bluetooth Left-Hand FrogPad keyboard developments. < 1244738133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRRRRRRRRRR < 1244738276 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1244738394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone want to sell me a lisp machine? < 1244738422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had one, you think I'd be selling it? < 1244738452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If your name was Symbolics and you were a company, yes. < 1244738462 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1244738464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To wit: < 1244738484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not a company; instead, I'd have a Lisp machine for my own retrocomputing purposes. < 1244738491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*searches* < 1244738566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also, working on a lisp machine requires a very specific setup < 1244738580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: specifically, you don't want it anywhere near you, because it's gigantic and LOUD. < 1244738592 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Ah. < 1244738601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The hackers took the brute-force approach to PC silencing... move it a room or two across, and use long cables. < 1244738615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I wouldn't want one unless I had a spare basement. < 1244738617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And for all that, you get a *single-user* machine. :-P < 1244738643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hawt. < 1244738662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, really, I'm sure it could replace a normal home's heating system) < 1244738666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1244738674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I dunno; it must have had like 50 fans. < 1244738698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, you can get a full lisp machine (not one of the mac-based ones; a true, proper, high end lisp machine) for something like $1-2k. < 1244738712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including symbolics keyboard etc < 1244738714 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty damned spiffy. < 1244738720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is prohibitively expensive for what it is, of course — < 1244738727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual machine is pretty crap as far as computational power. < 1244738738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has bucky bits! < 1244738767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: [[I'm not exactly sure which model I have as it is on the other side of the country. The nickname that comes to mind is "The Air Conditioner" because it's big and loud.]] [[It also has two hard disks inside that are add up to a couple hundred MB I think. Also I recall the memory on the machine was measured in mega words (since it is a 36-bit arch). I can remember the exact number anymore, I want to say 512 but then that's too perfect a number.]] < 1244738788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :512 words memory? < 1244738793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty low < 1244738795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: megawords < 1244738797 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Megawords. < 1244738808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's quite a bit more < 1244738815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought megawords as in words which were bigger than normal < 1244738815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kiloword = 1024 words. megaword = 1024 kilowords. < 1244738831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 536,870,912 words. < 1244738846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19,327,352,832 bits. < 1244738854 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't that be kibiwords and mebiwords? < 1244738863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Pedant. < 1244738880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Anyway, 512 megawords of 36-bits = 2.25 gigabytes. < 1244738894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think we can agree that either that figure is wrong, or these things were damn beefy. < 1244738897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1244738897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1244738899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could handle Vista's memory requirements < 1244738901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ais523: They're wrong. < 1244738909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The harddrives add up to a COUPLE OF HUNDRED _MEGABYTES_. < 1244738913 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaw. < 1244738917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no way it had 2GB of RAM. < 1244738924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's go a simpler route. < 1244738926 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I was about to say... < 1244738931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kiloword = 1000 words. Megaword = 1000 kilowords. < 1244738948 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That seems like a lot for a computer from a day when core memory seemed practical"... < 1244738951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 2GB again. < 1244738955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they meant kilowords. < 1244738963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be more plausible < 1244738970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and core memory /was/ practical < 1244738972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back then < 1244738980 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sorry, s/seemed/was/ < 1244739005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ais523: If we say 512 kilowords, that's 2MB of RAM - for an 80s machine with a few HDs totaling a few hundreds of megs, that seems accurate. < 1244739013 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1244739033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that could still run Windows 3.1 < 1244739046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No it couldn't, it's a Lisp Machine, not an x86. :P < 1244739053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory-wise, I mean < 1244739061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could probably emulate an x86 on one < 1244739069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emulation doesn't use up masses of extra memory < 1244739071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just slow < 1244739075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1244739090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But I would not wish writing an x86 emulator in Lisp Machine Lisp on anyone. < 1244739109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: did you know that symbolics made their own monitors? < 1244739115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Right down to the cathode ray tubes, iirc. < 1244739127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That's pretty damned impressive. < 1244739128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they didn't make their actual keyboard keys, because by that point they decided they were going too far. < 1244739129 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-178-074.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1244739136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they'd in-housed just about everything else :P < 1244739139 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1244739150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, I'd love a flickery, monochrome, crappy CRT. < 1244739152 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nom nom nom. < 1244739164 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Strapped to my eye < 1244739178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Wat < 1244739196 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Damn, I'd love a flickery, monochrome, crappy CRT. Strapped to my eye < 1244739202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1244739217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:20 ehird: GregorR: How much would you kill me if I asked the final question of "what keyboard do you use"? :P < 1244739218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:20 ehird: Note: That is not a question. That is a question, about a question. < 1244739220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_< < 1244739235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Let's start an #esoteric Fund for Lisp Machine Acquisition and Following Inquisition. < 1244739254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1244739270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: MEH‽ < 1244739273 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I've got $1,000 free, I'm getting about 10 1TB drives or something. :P < 1244739279 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would kill you very little, but I thought I already answered that question >_> < 1244739285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's called a collective fund :P < 1244739288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Not that I recall. < 1244739302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, a Beowulf cluster would be a better use of money. < 1244739332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can make good usage of hard drive space
< 1244739338 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freedom Input Slim Keypad < 1244739354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but think of the image processing you could do to that porn with a beowulf cluster. < 1244739358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Rings a bell < 1244739369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Oh, GOD. < 1244739371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: That thing? < 1244739379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: The keyboard with NO TACTILE RESPONSE WHATSOEVER and an awful feel? >_< < 1244739413 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-75-85-210-179.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1244739624 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to assume you've never actually used one. < 1244739633 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the keys make an extremely satisfying 'click' < 1244739649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I'm basing it by looking at it and seeing exactly how it's made :P < 1244739664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no actual keys there... < 1244739672 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/wearcomp/images/3/3b/FreedomSlimKeypad.jpg // this one? < 1244739678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1244739704 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are actual keys there ... < 1244739723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: really? I see one platter and no raised keys. < 1244739756 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they're not separated keys in that sense, what I mean is it's not just flat, the metal is cut and the key sections click down. < 1244739779 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The metal is the keys, and it's raised above the actual surface. The keys are attached, but raised. < 1244739813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Eh? < 1244739817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see. < 1244739820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Like an ATM keyboard. < 1244739837 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, if ATM keyboards are like that in the UK, then yes? :P < 1244739840 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They certainly aren't here :P < 1244739859 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1244739863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1244739866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just reminded me of it. < 1244739871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, they're more likely to be individual keys or (shudder) a crappy touchscreen. < 1244739877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Anyway, that can't match a keyboard with actual individual keys. < 1244739877 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Running Windows. < 1244739896 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because we need something more advanced than a microcontroller!" < 1244739899 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: On Diebold hardware 8-D < 1244739909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Ah, yes. Diebold... < 1244739942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.lispmachine.net/symbolics.txt Lisp Machine price list. The top of the line one? 40MB = 8 megawords of memory. 9 GIGABYTES scsi disk. All symbolics software pre-loaded. CD-ROM drive, high-resolution 19" monochrome. Keyboard, three button mouse. < 1244739944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deskside machine. < 1244739947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 x 25 x 32. < 1244739949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :120V power. < 1244739953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yours for only $3,500. < 1244739957 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-18-75.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1244739961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, ahhh. < 1244739970 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A whole CD drive! < 1244739975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The funnest part is that SCSI disks are NOISY AS FUCK. :) < 1244739995 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The feel is nearly individual keys, there's just a thin strip of metal connecting keys, and not even connecting the ones that are immediately next to each other *shrugs* < 1244740006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Meh fine :P < 1244740034 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to claim that it might not feel better with individual keys, but at that size the keys would be awkward and tiny anyway :P < 1244740038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anyway, that's the top of the line Symbolics workstation; but shit, $3,500? I wouldn't even consider it. There is a limit to how much I'd pay for retro. < 1244740043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Look up the frogpad < 1244740056 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen it. It is not a full-layout keyboard. < 1244740057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah. < 1244740060 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's absurdly overpriced. < 1244740066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd get much more entertainment out of a C64. < 1244740076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Unfortunately, the only other actual Symbolics machine you can get is a speed-factor 1 $675. < 1244740084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, sure, a collectors item; but really crap. < 1244740086 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I would buy the frogpad, I'd just make a chording keyboard. I don't want a learning curve to type. < 1244740099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Apparently the learning curve is a few hours. < 1244740103 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"from __future__ import skynet" < 1244740119 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah, I've heard that before :P < 1244740123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Anyway, that thing isn't full qwerty. < 1244740135 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Freedom? Yes it is. < 1244740154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I see no - = [ ] \ ; ' , . / keys. < 1244740163 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1244740171 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I define QWERTY as the LETTER keys. Maybe the numbers too. < 1244740172 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mother said something similar last night. < 1244740189 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What a strange thing for her to say :P < 1244740195 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Indeed. < 1244740206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird has a very odd mother. < 1244740220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I wanna program on this thing, man. :) < 1244740226 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244740235 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering buying the bluetooth laser keyboard for that. < 1244740246 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm afraid the complete lack of tactile response will make it unusable. < 1244740249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Yes. < 1244740255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard that from everyone who has ever, ever used one. < 1244740263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't even rest on it, and mistakes are simply a fact of life. < 1244740268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might as well smash your head on a real keyboard < 1244740284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I suggest, for that, a full qwerty split keyboard in two pieces < 1244740291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You won't need the mouse much for coderating. < 1244740298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smashes keyboard on the desk, pretending to be a member of The Who
< 1244740302 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AKA a folding keyboard) < 1244740307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: ...No. < 1244740310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not split into two pieces. < 1244740314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I mean the ergonomic keyboards. < 1244740324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them with less padding, one of the split-in-two-pieces model. < 1244740325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One for each hand. < 1244740326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voila. < 1244740342 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :P < 1244740344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/freestyle.htm < 1244740349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Freestyle Solo there. < 1244740351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically just the ticket. < 1244740357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/images/freestyle-solo_690x375.jpg < 1244740369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full qwerty, a bit big, but meh. 's for coding purposes only. < 1244740386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cable could be a problem. Shrug - YMMV. < 1244740399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Clearly what #esoteric needs is to homebrew some lisp machines. < 1244740410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPGA! We can invent our own new EVERYTHING. < 1244740437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Man. Awesomeness. < 1244740448 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoFPGA :P < 1244740451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I strongly suspect an FPGA would make a *good* Lisp machine. < 1244740475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: For values of good equal to "a bunch of suspect legacy, PC-like ports because FPGA manufacturers suck" and "slllllloooooooooooooowwwwwwwww". < 1244740476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, compared to Symbolics machines. < 1244740491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared to anything you could do with ASICs? Nah. < 1244740497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish you could buy an FPGA board without a DVI, VGA, 5xUSB, PCI, dfhjdsfkhkdjsfhksjdf, ethernet, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA cable. < 1244740501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :socket, rather. < 1244740533 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy a BeagleBoard and emulate an FPGA :P < 1244740538 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1244740540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: XD < 1244740547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: No. :P < 1244740553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeagleBoard has legacy ports too. < 1244740561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Cuz we would invent our own display ports, wouldn't we? < 1244740567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could have everything connected via one port, dammit. < 1244740571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One port type that is.) < 1244740580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 Gbit/sec monitors :P < 1244740589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I've got a copy of the C# INTERCAL's source code < 1244740600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how did that happen? < 1244740600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's theoretically impossible to comply with the licence, I think deliberately < 1244740602 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: BURN! DESTROY! < 1244740603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by email < 1244740610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I guess he read what I said < 1244740621 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Whyzat? < 1244740623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Anyway, forward the email to me? < 1244740630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm perfectly happy to violate licenses and it wouldn't be your fault. < 1244740636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the copy's for "archival purposes only" < 1244740656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not sure that's deliberately uncompliable. The way I worded it... < 1244740666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I wouldn't expect more intelligence than such license idiocy from a C# guy :P < 1244740668 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it would be your fault because redistribution is not OK :P < 1244740674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wait, there's a loophole < 1244740687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a consortium of exactly 4 people can use the software < 1244740693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as they all send copies to each other first < 1244740700 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember having a giant argument about a license that stipulated that you can't use the software to do anything harmful directly OR INDIRECTLY. < 1244740719 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which effectively means you can't redistribute it at all. < 1244740731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have multiple personality disorder. < 1244740731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: ... Indirectly? < 1244740732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's do it. < 1244740755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, there's also a requirement that if you make a deriviative work, you must claim to have no idea who the original author was < 1244740772 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Worse yet, I described a scenario (you give it to a friend who gives it to a friend who gives it to a friend in NASA who uses it on a space shuttle when a bug in it causes the shuttle to explode), and his response was "then you shouldn't have given it to that friend" < 1244740774 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Lawlwut? < 1244740779 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So many WTF. < 1244740795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I... And... < 1244740795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: a sensible precaution where INTERCAL is concerned < 1244740813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS WHY THE GPL INCLUDES A DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY! < 1244740827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a disclaimer of warranty too < 1244740839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which did we conclude was best for a starter? Altera or ... Xsomething? < 1244740841 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Other conversation :P < 1244740842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, also, you can do anything you like with what you remember of the software < 1244740847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: altera vs. xilinx < 1244740851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Right. < 1244740860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you decided altera's starter boards were better IIRC, although I can't remember why < 1244740867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Incidentally, would I be at risk at hitting the limits if I tried to program a full-featured Lisp machine on these? < 1244740869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect so. < 1244740870 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It wasn't a "because I'm afraid of liability" thing, it was a "because I'm a peace-loving retard with no understanding of even the most trivial legal matters" < 1244740881 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: That's just retarded. < 1244740882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I've hit the limits trying to do a few 32-bit multiplications before < 1244740888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: God, some people are idiots. < 1244740890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Jesus. < 1244740893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, a one-cycle multiplier takes masses of circuitry < 1244740898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What's the minimum price for a _decent_ FPGA? < 1244740903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: What softwar was this? < 1244740911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why in all practical CPUs, multipliers take multiple cycles < 1244740912 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Couple hundred, I'd imagine. < 1244740916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*software < 1244740921 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "Flower". I don't even know what it does, I just responded to him calling that an "Open Source" license :P < 1244740921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a truly fast multiplier is insanely hard to make < 1244740923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No— $150 is the bare bottom price. < 1244740928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$200 is for one up. < 1244740929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet that's what VHDL/Verilog end up implementing if you write * < 1244740933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it gets to $250. < 1244740934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for multiply < 1244740936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not approaching decentness. < 1244740937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't clarify < 1244740944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Heh. < 1244740955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: care to be less vague so I can google? < 1244740968 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't know if I can be :P < 1244740970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPGA turns what you thought you knew about computing upside-down < 1244740977 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It was called Flower, and it was on the d.announce newsgroup. < 1244740982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Ah, OK. < 1244741003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: "flowerd"? Dec 2007? < 1244741006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML thing. < 1244741012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No posts by you though < 1244741045 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/announce/Flower_opened_8869.html // here 'tis < 1244741067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : LICENSE: use without restrictions at your own risk and responsibility unless < 1244741067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this use is resulting (directly or indirectly) harm to any sentient being < 1244741068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, ww. < 1244741071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1244741080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to punch that guy for being such a retard < 1244741137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[If you think this is going to be the case, don't give it to your friend. As < 1244741137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple as that ;)]] < 1244741144 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazing, no? < 1244741148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Be kind — you know how we can see to the past just as events not happening? < 1244741152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He, obviously, is not blind to the future. < 1244741160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A modern marvel. < 1244741186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like someone missed the point of licenses here. :\ < 1244741187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apart from looking uber cool in a source file, that is.) < 1244741188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errrrrrrrrrrrrr, what> < 1244741222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From my point of view it is already dead. I posted it just because it have some < 1244741222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good stuff in there that may be useful to someone. About you flies question - < 1244741224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I am pretty sure flies are sentient beings, but if there are few lines of < 1244741226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my code on the page and few lines of your code then which code is the reason? < 1244741228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deep. < 1244741230 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... no wait < 1244741237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this license is unusable after all < 1244741249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires you to redistribute the code before you can do anything, including redistributing the code < 1244741252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you just ask him for a bread and butter license? < 1244741265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I feel he rather didn't want to give up source as it was < 1244741269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he feels it isn't in a releasable state yet < 1244741273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't care if not for your ultra-paranoid legalistic attitude :) < 1244741299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try running some of the .exe files that were left in the debug directory, though < 1244741305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I see no lawyers in the whole thing. Looking at my English dictionary I < 1244741305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :understand the word "license" as "the author requests that ..."]] < 1244741308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they're based on GPLed source, they must be GPL themselves < 1244741308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupidity, meet world. < 1244741311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :World, meet stupidity. < 1244741321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you sure that holds? < 1244741344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, the other possibility is that they're illegal derivatives in the first place < 1244741366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although generally speaking, output executables don't inherit copyright from the compiler that made them < 1244741417 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I especially love how that license probably prevents anything that contributes to global warming executing it. < 1244741434 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Which is everything. < 1244741437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the only computer it could really run on operates on free energy. ... In SPACE! < 1244741452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ... You just figured out what fortune cookies REALLY need. < 1244741453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "in bed". < 1244741456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in SPACE!" < 1244741460 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: :D < 1244741469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You will read a fortune cookie. ...in SPACE!" < 1244741516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, wait < 1244741521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: GregorR-L: it's not an EULA < 1244741524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't restrict usage < 1244741526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just redistribution < 1244741541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can use it, just not distribute it to someone who will run it on a global warming computer < 1244741563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the licence here thinks it's an EULA < 1244741565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what do verilog/vhdl generate when you do *? < 1244741568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows mentality, I imagine < 1244741572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*license < 1244741579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: circuitry capable of doing a multiplication in one clock cycle < 1244741580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that may void a lot of it < 1244741587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i mean, what dose it actually generate < 1244741599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there are standard circuits for one-cycle multiplications < 1244741603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're massively large < 1244741604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*does < 1244741611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: surely a gigantic circuit will take >1 cycle < 1244741613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1244741613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n^2) in the order of the number of bits in the number < 1244741624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, you can implement anything in one cycle, apart from delays < 1244741624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: icarus verilog, verilog behavioral simulator, veriwell verilog simulator < 1244741625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is best :P < 1244741631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the cycles often have to be rather slow < 1244741644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I use GHDL as a simulator < 1244741653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not verilog :P < 1244741656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1244741658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, VeriWell *is* the same < 1244741659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simulator that was sold by Wellspring Solutions in the mid-1990 and was included < 1244741660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the Thomas and Moorby book < 1244741661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard of any of those simulators < 1244741662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems promising < 1244741673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was sold and came with a book it's probably okay. < 1244741678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully. < 1244741695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verilog behavioral simulator's homepage is 404'd < 1244741703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.icarus.com/eda/verilog/ < 1244741710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's icarus vs veriwell. < 1244741721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :icarus use git < 1244741726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess it's actively developde < 1244741728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*developed < 1244741759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how often do the simulators mismatch the hardware? < 1244741779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only when you're driving the hardware near or beyond tolerances < 1244741799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you literally make an fpga halt and catch fire? :-) < 1244741808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what it's connected to < 1244741822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nothing special < 1244741824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they won't stand being short-circuited for any length of time, really < 1244741829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes them catch fire < 1244741834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're really static-sensitive too < 1244741836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: with just code < 1244741840 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worth buying a wristband < 1244741852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with just code < 1244741853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it depends on whether what's an input and what's an output are configurable in code < 1244741862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: without I/O :p < 1244741863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably depends on the model < 1244741866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, obviously < 1244741873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I/O is how you get them to catch fire < 1244741879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by changing what should be an input into an output < 1244741882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and causing a contradiction < 1244741888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not really < 1244741891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple chip flaws could do it < 1244741914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they wouldn't pass testing < 1244741934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and given the typical target market for FPGAs, a company that routinely put out FPGAs that didn't pass testing wouldn't stay in the market long < 1244741940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so every possible combination of code is testing? < 1244741944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tested < 1244741950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even extremely pathological examples? < 1244741951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every path within the FPGA, quite often < 1244741961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's different from testing every possible program < 1244741964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can be done quite quickly < 1244742001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :module main; < 1244742001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : initial < 1244742003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : begin < 1244742005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $display("Hello world!"); < 1244742007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $finish; < 1244742009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : end < 1244742011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endmodule < 1244742013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I assume $display is a debug thing? < 1244742019 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$finnish; < 1244742026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: almost certailny < 1244742034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the VHDL hello world also uses debug output < 1244742042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that debug I/O is very important in simulators < 1244742048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been known for people to reimplement TCL in VHDL < 1244742055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what would $finish do? < 1244742056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use it to drive test I/O < 1244742059 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/TCL/Tcl/ < 1244742064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, tcl seems very popular among chip people < 1244742067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it prevents an infinite loop there < 1244742069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Tool Command Language; QED. < 1244742070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah. < 1244742086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, in a behavioral language < 1244742094 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's still spelled as Tcl. < 1244742099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each block (which could be one statement, or a whole process like that) runs whenever any of its inputs changes < 1244742105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or repeatedly forever if it has no inputs < 1244742111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows Tcl.
< 1244742121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a VHDL hello world, you put the equivalent of sleep forever at the end of the main process < 1244742124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: My name is I#$J(@*$&*(&(*~&89&W*)(D*fuCCCCCCCCCK < 1244742128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order for the simulation to actually end < 1244742130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Reimplement Tcl in VHDL? Doesn't surprise me; Tcl is rather easy to implement. < 1244742134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When capitalised, it is @*#$((((((((((((OOK < 1244742141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please respect these conventions < 1244742171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone made a rather complete implementation in C in about 500 lines of code... < 1244742196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including hand-written parser. < 1244742215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We know < 1244742237 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þou knoweſt? < 1244742547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION adds verilog support to editor, figuratively rubs hands
< 1244742556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hardware time! < 1244742569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts on appropriate ambience - http://dqn.dqn.lol.googlepages.com/GJS_Jay_Sussman_Feat._JSB_Sebastian_.mp3
< 1244742592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol.googlepages.com? < 1244742597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVAL APPLY CAR CUDDER < 1244742601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: dqn.dqn.lol.googlepages.com < 1244742606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, did you just get a free Verilog simulator? < 1244742607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: dots are valid in google account names < 1244742611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1244742611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, aha < 1244742612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :open source, too < 1244742618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1244742621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could have chosen from two others, but I chose this one. < 1244742626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's actively developed and seems good. < 1244742633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verilog pwns VHDL :P < 1244742644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VHDL makes it harder to make an error < 1244742651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas Verilog just silently corrects your code < 1244742663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's as lax with variables as Visual Basic without Option Explicit is < 1244742669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1244742674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*signals < 1244742683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :signal = behavioural concept of a variable < 1244742694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable (which also exists) = traditional imperative concept of a variable < 1244742707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1244742754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :signals are like variables, except assigning to them is delayed-action < 1244742771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what vpi is
< 1244742788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~/Code/scraps/2009-06] % iverilog hello.v -o hello < 1244742788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-o: No such file or directory < 1244742790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~/Code/scraps/2009-06] % iverilog -o hello hello.v < 1244742792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~/Code/scraps/2009-06] % < 1244742794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* temperamental software. < 1244742802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~/Code/scraps/2009-06] % ./hello < 1244742802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1244742804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray. < 1244742815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow, hello's only 249 bytes < 1244742821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1244742826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a text file < 1244742831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[#! /opt/local/bin/vvp < 1244742831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::vpi_time_precision + 0; < 1244742833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::vpi_module "system"; < 1244742835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S_0x200ce0 .scope module, "main" "main"; < 1244742837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : .timescale 0; < 1244742839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : .scope S_0x200ce0; < 1244742841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T_0 ; < 1244742843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : %vpi_call "$display", "Hello, world!"; < 1244742845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : %vpi_call "$finish"; < 1244742847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : %end; < 1244742849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : .thread T_0;]] < 1244742851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1244742853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm bit of a flood < 1244742855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. < 1244742856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not in a format I know < 1244742873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's icarus-specific, I assume < 1244742876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bytecode, of sorts. < 1244742879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1244742897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :runs in 0.006s < 1244742900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pretty good so far < 1244742913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's how fast a C hello world runs on my system) < 1244743031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, now to learn Verilog. < 1244743035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*INSTANT DEMOTIVATOR* < 1244743058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello world really doesn't explain how behavioural langs work < 1244743067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as you have to use debug commands to manage it < 1244743089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in VHDL, text output isn't even in core, you have to load debug I/O libraries to be able to do a hello world) < 1244743107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1244743244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There should be a hardware tarpit. < 1244743255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be very relaxing. < 1244743266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...where did I get that idea from? < 1244743267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'm tired < 1244743275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :signal, nand, when < 1244743288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: more pure. < 1244743354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'ma try write a thingy that just flips a bit 4eva and eva. < 1244743381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : always @ (posedge reset or posedge clock) < 1244743383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a one-liner in VHDL (plus about 10 lines boilerplate that everything needs) < 1244743391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occurs to me I don't understand that. < 1244743399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Verilog version is slightly more complicated < 1244743409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically, a process has rules stating when it runs < 1244743422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i just want the simplest way to say "as fast as possible:" < 1244743423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's saying that it runs unconditionally at the positive edge of the clock < 1244743425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or when reset < 1244743432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there isn't one < 1244743443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means "once per clock cycle", which is a practical as fast as possible < 1244743455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you start messing around with negative edges or quad data rate, synthesizers hate you < 1244743464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i just don't like not understanding things < 1244743465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and produce really bad circuitry, or just barf with an error < 1244743466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, haha < 1244743478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it occurs to me that really bad circuitry could be an artform < 1244743495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw fpga actually has nothing to do with circuitry right? it's just a sort of lower level cpu running your "cpu interpreter" < 1244743506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, so I need an input clock;? < 1244743508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty close to the hardware < 1244743511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do I procure one of them to use it < 1244743512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, you'll need a clock input < 1244743521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't know how to make a test clock in VHDL < 1244743527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Verilog, it would be clock <= not clock after 10 ns; < 1244743539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, VHDL and Verilog are the wrong way round there < 1244743551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244743602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can choose other time periods than 10ns, but 10ns is a typical value that you can normally achieve in practice < 1244743616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, in hardware, you're most likely getting the clock signal from an input to the hardware itself < 1244743626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than generating it internally, which synthesizers can't do < 1244743636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use after in simulation, but synthesizers ignore it < 1244743648 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with VHDL/Verilog is that they're really two langs each < 1244743657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simulation lang, where you can use all the features < 1244743665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the synthesis lang, where you can only use a small subset < 1244743668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the skill's in writing polyglots < 1244743708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1244743792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus points if the synthesis and simulation versions actually do the same thing < 1244743806 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-111-15.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244743811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your question about "does synthesis work the same way as simulation?"? yes, but only if you keep to the common subset < 1244743822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here's my hardware tarpit: < 1244743843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "REGISTER ← EXPR / NANOSECONDS". < 1244743844 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244743851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPR has nand, xor, and, or, and all that stuff. < 1244743857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flip-flopper: < 1244743863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1244743876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: congratulations, you just invented VHDL's assignment statement < 1244743878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(N) REGISTER ← EXPR / NANOSECONDS" < 1244743879 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-111-15.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244743880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :signal <= expression after time; < 1244743884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lower Ns happen before later Ns < 1244743887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I based it upon that < 1244743892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, there is no "happen before" in hardware < 1244743899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no ordering to commands in a Verilog/VHDL program < 1244743904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow. okay then. < 1244743905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No (N) then. < 1244743908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from inside processes, you can anagram a program and it still works correctly < 1244743916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: actually, instead of nanoseconds, let's measure in cycles < 1244743927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"REGISTER ← EXPR / CYCLES" < 1244743931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an assignment runs when the expression that's being assigned changes value < 1244743934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus a constant amount of time < 1244743934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's my flipflopper ("politician"): < 1244743942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :platform ← 0 / 0 < 1244743947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :platform ← not platform / 1 < 1244743958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that should go 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, ... < 1244743968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, another hint: you can't, in practice, plausibly initialize variables < 1244743972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do things relative to time 0 < 1244743980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everything starts out randomized at power-up < 1244743988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the langs will let you initialize, but it won't synthesize < 1244743993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why reset inputs are very common < 1244743993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah. the verilog example uses a reset input for that < 1244744013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, I'll add inputs. Can I keep inputs the same as registers? I bet I can. < 1244744027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they're much the same < 1244744038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, what you're calling "register" = "signal" in VHDL, "wire" in Verilog < 1244744054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm just basing it on Verilog's "reg" from one example ;-) < 1244744058 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1244744068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let's say there is one built-in register: CLOCK. < 1244744071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's saying that that wire is being used for a register < 1244744075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's my politician: < 1244744086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise: register = wire with a delay on so it can be used to store data < 1244744112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ |reset| platform ← 0 / reset; platform ← not platform / CLOCK step } < 1244744114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose. < 1244744118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is getting annoyingly complex ;0 < 1244744119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1244744168 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oooh! Oooh! Do it in Wireworld! < 1244744169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's the actual tarpit? < 1244744175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nand plus what? < 1244744184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :signals/wires/registers whatever < 1244744191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a positive fixed after requirement < 1244744201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, that's a simulation tarpit < 1244744215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'd prefer something that can be synthesized too < 1244744221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoyingly, the code makes perfect sense in synthesizers but they can't synthesize it anyway < 1244744225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they all have rubbish programming < 1244744234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not enough to simply use something as a clock < 1244744242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to ram it down the interp's throat that it's a clock < 1244744247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by using special "this is a clock" syntax < 1244744255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think is just pattern-matched < 1244744268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in VHDL, 4 syntaxes work, none of the infinity equivalent syntaxes do though < 1244744271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: let us assume a non-retarded synthesizer; as long as it can be done with them, that's ok. < 1244744282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no non-retarded synthesizers, in that sense < 1244744294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I mean, as in < 1244744297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they wrote the limitations of synthesizers into the standard, rather than actually writing a decent synthesizer < 1244744308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the tarpit→VHDL or whatever compiler, can add the "THIS IS A CLOCK YOU MORON" stuff itself < 1244744321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1244744333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so we don't have to worry about that < 1244744339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just what synthesizers simply won't accept < 1244744354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I suspect writing a VHDL->VHDL compiler may make my fortune < 1244744363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling from sane VHDL into what synthesizers accept :) < 1244744367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1244744368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes, I just used a smiley) < 1244744394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one piece of software i will be delighted to spread about the intertubes (← evil piracy destroying the world) < 1244744403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't sane vhdl an oxymoron? < 1244744411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VHDL is AnMaster-sane < 1244744415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of so sane it's insane < 1244744417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not sane. < 1244744432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was commisioned by the US armed forces, I think < 1244744439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with instructions to make it resemble ADA as much as possible < 1244744445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which explains a lot < 1244744451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1244744463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you've seen VHDL, you realise that in fact it is the language that INTERCAL parodies < 1244744717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so what would a complete definition of an absolute minimum hardware tarpit be? < 1244744741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not in the mood to do one in full, really < 1244744748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as I'm trying to do other things atm < 1244744754 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1244744754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and am also tired due to crazy sleep patterns < 1244744762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've been up for over 24 hours in a row, /again/) < 1244744816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: eh, 'snothin' < 1244744818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pushing on 30 < 1244744830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: O_O? < 1244744879 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Perceptively Chilly Sonata more every time I play it :P < 1244744883 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is more than a bit scary :P < 1244744942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Give it REAL PERCUSSIVE DEMOLISHMENT POWER < 1244744949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I like that song too. < 1244744955 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much lazy slash I have no idea how. < 1244744958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should listen to it, it'd give you a heart attack. < 1244744974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you want me to have a heart attack? < 1244744980 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://codu.org/masterpiecemachine/getmidi.php?mpid=Perceptively+Chilly+Sonata < 1244744982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, no, but the experience would be worth it < 1244745003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a masterpiece composed by a computer!! < 1244745008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing Like It! < 1244745019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the Masterpiece of the Bending Flow - generated by an ARTIFICIAL MIND(TM)! < 1244745125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: it really is good, but it needs rests < 1244745128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just too hectic < 1244745144 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeahyeahyeah, gimme a break still :P < 1244745149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_< < 1244745150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1244745154 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Also, feel free to poke around at the code yourself ;) < 1244745160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Open sores? < 1244745160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244745173 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Naturalismo, who do you think you're talking to? < 1244745180 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/masterpiecemachine/ < 1244745185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay. < 1244745203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: License? Also, that's not the auto-generator thing. < 1244745245 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIT, the auto-generator is in lib/autocomposer and autocompose < 1244745253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Language? < 1244745264 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP :( < 1244745269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Srybutnothx. < 1244745283 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244745286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders genetically evolving an iterated rock/paper/scissors warrior
< 1244745430 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244745444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least I'm not being eaten by sharks < 1244745456 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1244745472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't even have thought that trying to play a MIDI file could crash X < 1244745482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link again < 1244745484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1244745487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do it a different way this time < 1244745522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://codu.org/masterpiecemachine/getmidi.php?mpid=Perceptively+Chilly+Sonata < 1244745529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: impressive, though; it shows that the midi has true power. < 1244745533 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1244745535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you might need to give it a few listens < 1244745549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a bit of an acquired ... haunting. < 1244745565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how autogenerated is it? < 1244745603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: neural networky thingy, each track independently composed following only a few basic rules on tempo etc < 1244745619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just set up his collaborative masterpiece engine to run on his genetic algorithm track generator < 1244745622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1244745623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty auto-repetitive < 1244745624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neural network < 1244745624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not GA < 1244745627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*almost-repetitive < 1244745634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's fractal! < 1244745639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has twists, though < 1244745641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that would explain it < 1244745648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1244745652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made the fractalness up :P < 1244745705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain it anyway; just because it's an incorrect explanation doesn't prevent it being an adequate explanation < 1244745709 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Wow, you sure think that this autocomposer is complex :P < 1244745718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: do I? < 1244745721 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is in fact neither a neural network nor a genetic algorithm :P < 1244745746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: thought you said it was a NN < 1244745749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: what is it? rand()? < 1244745757 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a simple randomized algorithm involving determining the "tension" of every note and trying to make the tension rise and fall. < 1244745776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that thing is /long/ < 1244745777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: ah, that's why it goes in thumps < 1244745783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, it's just 3-4 minutes < 1244745791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not particularly long for a piece of music < 1244745792 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Want a 35 minute one? I can do that. < 1244745796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thanks < 1244745799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :play it to ehird instead < 1244745801 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It is when it's boring :P < 1244745804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how is that long? < 1244745805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I prefer hworld.mid < 1244745827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harumph < 1244745913 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/masterpiecemachine/getmidi.php?mpid=Debonairly+Boorish+Fugue // 35 minutes :P < 1244745926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's 304 seconds long < 1244745928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus over 5 minutes < 1244745936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 5:00 < 1244745947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: make a 300bpm one < 1244745951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5:04 according to Timidity < 1244745954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be like DragonForce except EVEN WORSE. < 1244745964 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Wait, I'm listening to this one, it's pretty good so far :P < 1244745971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Tis. < 1244745984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Debonairly is relaxing and musical, try it. < 1244746024 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the basic algorithm is sound, I just need something to make it think globally. < 1244746075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: but it leads to thumps < 1244746079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :attack, reduce, attack, reduce < 1244746081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's monotonic < 1244746088 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence "think globally" < 1244746106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: but that's the basic algorithm! < 1244746128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I wouldn't call it relaxing < 1244746133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I like the choice of instruments < 1244746147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I should do, is port my BF-to-Fugue code to something sane < 1244746151 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perceptive Chilly Sonata is certainly better than the random one it generated for me < 1244746153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then run Lost Kingdoms through it < 1244746153 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The basic algorithm thinks locally. I mean globally as in "in this section I'm going to crescendo, then here I'm going to steadily increase pitch, etc" < 1244746156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The model fails to generate the following obvious real-world solution: A, B, and C should all move in together and live in joyous tripartite depravity, and X should jump off a bridge." < 1244746159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: ah < 1244746160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the gcc-bf hello world < 1244746198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF programs convert to music well, because different parts of the code do different things < 1244746210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so have different programming-textures, which convert to different musical themes < 1244746238 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :music is ghay. < 1244746292 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1244746649 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish my friend Eric knew how to code. < 1244746654 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who don't know how to code are weird. < 1244746667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I'm ten minutes into the Fugue. < 1244746669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's lovely. < 1244746674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, everyone should know how to code :P < 1244746677 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm still listening to it :P < 1244746692 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no /bad/ sections, a few really /good/ sections, it's just very background music. < 1244746695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Wow, around 10:10 on it has some nice blips. < 1244746698 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 1 minute in, don't spoil it for me! < 1244746703 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo < 1244746708 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1244746711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: Protip: It's basically the same all the way through. < 1244746712 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Have you read your SICP today? | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1244746717 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: X-D < 1244746721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... or at least, for 11 minutes; it may turn into heavy death metal later on. < 1244746736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Make that 300bpm, 7 minute, electric guitar monstrosity! < 1244746743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With percussion, naturally. < 1244746745 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of one of the DOOM 2 songs because of the instruments < 1244746753 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and some of the melodies) < 1244746768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: most cheerful doom song evar. < 1244746788 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one that starts off as a twisted children's song < 1244746807 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://codu.org/masterpiecemachine/getmidi.php?mpid=Egg+Stream+Autocompose < 1244746825 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, Nasty Diablo, or is that something else? < 1244746829 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll still be 25 minutes before I can listen to it though :P < 1244746841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Lacks electric guitar; percussion. < 1244746850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of spooky though. < 1244746853 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244746874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy fuck it's only 19:00 < 1244746913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVAL IS THE FUNCTION OF HOLY WORSHIP < 1244747246 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1244747264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: it's got a sorta guitar solo going on < 1244747268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 18:30 on < 1244747337 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not there yet. < 1244747343 0 :Hiato!n=1@dsl-245-14-154.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1244747563 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh, for Egg Stream Masterpiece I forgot to specify a key signature, so they all use random (different) ones :P < 1244747594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: *Autocompose < 1244747608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Anyway, do the 300bpm, 7 minute electric guitar / percussiony, or I shall eat your soul. < 1244747628 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from the fact that I have no percussion support, I didn't make it so you can specify an instrument P < 1244747630 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1244747643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Try at random! < 1244747662 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm at work X-P < 1244747687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1244747697 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Now, write eval using naught but lambda. < 1244747713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: LC self-interpreters exist. < 1244747723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A full Lisp eval. < 1244747737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244747759 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1244747768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No. < 1244747787 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. < 1244747825 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/masterpiecemachine/getmidi.php?mpid=Egg+Stream+Autocompose Remade. Still no "real" percussion, but wood blocks, and this one is fekking sweet :P < 1244747826 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the great thing about Egg Stream Autocompose is that you can skip forward 5 minutes and there won't be any discontinuity < 1244747845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: don't overwrite ;_; < 1244747851 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO LATE HA HA < 1244747954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244747986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a symbolics lisp machine. < 1244747991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would use my 8 megawords of memory. < 1244748004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nine gigabyte SCSI disk capability. < 1244748009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to store my CD-ROM collection. < 1244748021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and run a jukebox on the 19" monochrome crt < 1244748022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1244748201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, this is what the top-of-the-line symbolics machine looks like: http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/symbolics_xl1200_lisp_machine.jpg < 1244748202 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.128 JOIN :#esoteric < 1244748214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, the computer is inside that "desk" - or should I say "case". < 1244748273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, it's a combined radiator, computer case, and desk. < 1244748277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And noisemaker. < 1244748281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What more could you POSSIBLY want? < 1244748355 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your butt < 1244748424 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: A hookup to central air. < 1244748549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, idea < 1244748572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Or, one of these: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/3600-front.jpg; a big little machine - 31kg! (70 pounds). 4Mword memory (18MB), 760MB "ESDI" disk, 17" screen. Apparently ESDI's a very very old predescessor to SCSI. < 1244748591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That certainly has a larger nostalgia factor; it would quite likely not be too fun to work on, though. < 1244748592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1244748605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, he changed nick < 1244748606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLFAIL < 1244748613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1244748615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be an interesting test, though < 1244748615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1244748619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no script, it seems. < 1244748621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1244748645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, the nostalgia costs $675; the XL1200 $3,500. < 1244748660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if I was gonna get an #esoteric LM it'd have to be a 36xx :P < 1244748667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donations welcome! < 1244748681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'll try later when the script's back up < 1244748700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that R101, at least, would block it, though < 1244748731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Definitely, definitely needs to be used in lieu of a heater. < 1244748770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's so big and foreboding; we'd get a http://www.asl.dsl.pipex.com/symbolics/photos/IO/DSC_2077-small.jpg keyboard! < 1244748782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or http://www.asl.dsl.pipex.com/symbolics/photos/IO/keyboard-9647.jpg; depending on if they sell the new kbs w/ the old models < 1244748785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that font looks like optima < 1244748794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the control/etc labels < 1244748821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you get FPGAs that are large arrays of really crappy processors? < 1244748835 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, that wouldn't be useful < 1244748839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wouldn't be an FPGA by definition < 1244748843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like Connection Machines; a bunch of processors doing measly work (CM CPUs operated on one bit(!) at a time), operating in parallel < 1244748860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you know that feynman worked on the Connection Machines? < 1244748869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :65,536 CPUs communicating in the original version < 1244748871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty damn impressive < 1244748953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: where should I look if I want to build such a system? but ofc at a lower scale < 1244748953 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an fpgas is an array of really crappy processors < 1244748959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, 128 x shit < 1244748963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't know < 1244748964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: well, yes. technically. < 1244748971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: d'aww. < 1244748972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: a 4-bit lookup table, followed by 1 bit of RAM? < 1244748981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that misses most of the requirements to be a processor, I think < 1244748981 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah < 1244748986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the plus side, you get loads of them < 1244748992 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/fail-owned-traffic-light-fail.jpg < 1244749032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do not link to failblog, that despicable site of immaturity, failing to get the joke and 12-year-old esque shoutings of "FAILLLLLLL!!!!". Or I will wreck my vengeance upon you. < 1244749036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1244749039 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some fpgas have a general prupose cpu built in < 1244749045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yeah, that's lame < 1244749048 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I didn't link to the comments < 1244749059 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: also, http://www.tilera.com/products/processors.php < 1244749091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: yeah i know, that's not the same. 64 processors is measly; we're talking about thousands here. and also, those individual processors will NOT be all that simple < 1244749106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll wager, for instance, that they're a far cry from the "one bit at a time running simple instruction set" of the CMs < 1244749123 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point? < 1244749141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: the point is that it's a novel computational model, actually speeds up some things massively < 1244749143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is just damn cool < 1244749149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.longnow.org/views/essays/articles/ArtFeynman.php < 1244749153 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a tile64 < 1244749158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feynman worked out that you could do ... i forget; some quantum mechanics calculation < 1244749162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a day with these < 1244749167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would take 2 years on a regular machine < 1244749172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of similar raw computational caliber) < 1244749173 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put that shit on a pcie card < 1244749230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to have a job designing crazy supercomputer architectures < 1244749238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just love hundreds and hundreds of interconnected nodes < 1244749302 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latency < 1244749334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: read the article < 1244749367 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you'd be smarter if you _decreased_ paralellism < 1244749384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1244749389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parallelism is awesome, you foo. < 1244749415 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, parellelism is necessary < 1244749425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: read the article, you foo. < 1244749429 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1244749440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your loss < 1244749512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: egg stream autocompose #2 is lovely < 1244749521 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes :P < 1244750565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone make a pun including the word "eggstreamly" < 1244750586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1244750652 0 :tetha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1244750661 0 :tetha!n=hk@pD9EE7C64.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244751049 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't believe he missed an FS story
< 1244751275 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244751275 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244751395 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I skipped it because of confusing-link-ness I think < 1244751709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: make more < 1244751731 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm in the middle of pretending to do work while adding tendencies. < 1244751737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: good on you! < 1244751741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a true patriot. < 1244751743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :netriot. < 1244752009 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tendencies seem to push it towards slowness more often than they ought to. < 1244752148 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/hgrmao/gen.mid // first tests with tendencies < 1244752150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And computers are big, too. You can buy a 1000MHz machine with 2 gigabytes of RAM and an 1000Mbit/sec Ethernet card for $1200 or so." < 1244752168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: god that's slow < 1244752175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: but interesting < 1244752182 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a bit it speeds up, but it still has a tendency to like long lulls >_> < 1244752188 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not sure why at this point. < 1244752253 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("slow" is one of its tendencies, it just seems to be ... more powerful.) < 1244752304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~] % nginx --help < 1244752304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009/06/11 20:30:19 [emerg] 3086#0: invalid option: "--help" < 1244752305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~] % nginx -h < 1244752307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009/06/11 20:31:37 [emerg] 3176#0: invalid option: "-h" < 1244752309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~] % man nginx < 1244752311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No manual entry for nginx < 1244752313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discoverability! < 1244752318 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1244752693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244753335 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Try -? and lack of parameters < 1244753351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just nginx would start the daemon < 1244753420 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also -help < 1244753541 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1244753609 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1244753797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11/06/2009 20:55:20 TextMate[97936] This application is trying to draw a very large combo box, 145 points tall. Vertically resizable combo boxes are not supported, but it happens that 10.4 and previous drew something that looked kind of sort of okay. The art in 10.5 does not break up in a way that supports that drawing. To avoid breaking existing apps, NSComboBox in 10.5 will use the 10.4 art for large combo boxes, but it won't exactly match the rest < 1244753799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the system. This application should be revised to stop using large combo boxes. This warning will appear once per app launch. < 1244753806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Apple, such a homely log message < 1244753939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: -? and -h work, even though they didn't a second ago < 1244753948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before i reinstalled after syncing the portfiles < 1244753949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1244753951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244753953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well -h didn't < 1244753955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't test -? < 1244754201 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why I use (/|--?)(h(e?lp)?|\?) :-P < 1244754288 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/masterpiecemachine/getmidi.php?mpid=Onerously+Uptight+Toccata // weird one < 1244754375 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They get more like music every time. < 1244754396 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This one employs the tendencies system) < 1244754424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: How do I make my own auto track? < 1244754433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i see < 1244754439 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one click :P < 1244754531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: http://codu.org/masterpiecemachine/getmidi.php?mpid=Onerous+Cake-Eating+Festival+Disallowment+Barricade < 1244754533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it. < 1244754542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has melody underneath the chaos of 20 tracks. < 1244754549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 256bpm. < 1244754552 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on, I'm relistening to Onerously Uptight Toccata. < 1244754553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a mandatory 10 measure rest. < 1244754553 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1244754558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 100 measures. < 1244754562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: the time signature is 8/2 < 1244754565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it interpret that? :P < 1244754567 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The autocomposer ignores mandatory rests for the moment. < 1244754577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, this is really nice < 1244754579 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does handle time signatures, but only if the numerator is a power of 2. < 1244754583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the percussion really comes together < 1244754590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: well 8 is < 1244754596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: but 8/2 ain't no valid time signature < 1244754604 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is. < 1244754609 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a weird one. < 1244754610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1244754611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is < 1244754623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: btw this is the best autocomposed tune yet imo < 1244754626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really flows < 1244754628 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything where the denominator is a power of 2 is valid. < 1244754632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even dissonant < 1244754656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, it really flows well < 1244754661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: this is one of the best things i've heard recently < 1244754671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not exaggerating in the slightest < 1244754693 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, how'd you get 20 tracks >_< < 1244754699 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disallowed >16, but apparently not well. < 1244754707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Well, don't. < 1244754708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because this is beautiful. < 1244754711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow. < 1244754714 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're only hearing 16. < 1244754714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even ends properly. < 1244754718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I? < 1244754721 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIDI only supports 16. < 1244754722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: are you sure? < 1244754724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1244754725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1244754727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Which 16 am I hearing? < 1244754733 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first 16. < 1244754737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Feel free to chop off the unused ones in the database. < 1244754744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The completed work as-is is spectacular. < 1244754749 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no database concern, just that it allowed them >_< < 1244754780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: listened to it yet? < 1244754780 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and now I see why, too :P < 1244754784 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listening. < 1244754786 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not bad :P < 1244754790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: it gets better < 1244754795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really has parts to it, i swear < 1244754800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has song structure! < 1244754805 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suuuuuuure :P < 1244754814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: around 0:18 the intro finishes < 1244754885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: You can't deny it's awesome. < 1244754906 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realize that the only person complemented by saying it's awesome is me, right? :P < 1244754910 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*complimented < 1244754915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Or the computer! < 1244754924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just complimenting the piece, really. < 1244754934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It somehow totally hits a tiny bit of chaos with a whole lot of work. < 1244755045 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, part of the reason why it has a real ending is I mangled the algorithm to make the last measure always sound endish. < 1244755073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1244755081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: but it does do endy bits a little before that < 1244755093 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's why I said "part" < 1244755097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1244755144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finished reading that Connection Machine essay.
< 1244755151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, Feynman is awesome. < 1244755285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Why can't you enter any time signature? < 1244755304 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It only knows how to choose note lengths by dividing a measure in half repeatedly. < 1244755312 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anything will "work", but e.g. 6/8 will be treated like 4/8 < 1244755320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: What about 6/16? :P < 1244755328 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4/16 < 1244755371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: SQLite3::exec() [sqlite3.exec]: database is locked in /var/www/masterpiecemachine/lib/newmasterpiece.php on line 125 < 1244755371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to add this Masterpiece to the database! < 1244755373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAL :D < 1244755379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad timing am I < 1244755396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The autocomposer is slower nao. < 1244755416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: you should add an "autocompose all" button for lazy sods. < 1244755440 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I fekked something up so I'm poking around in the DB. < 1244755479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: http://codu.org/masterpiecemachine/getmidi.php?mpid=Codu+Dot+Org+Slash+Masterpiecemachine+Slash+Questionmark+Newmp This is the song you hear while you are flown into the gates of hell. < 1244755560 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, so far not so great. < 1244755568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Yeah, it's very bad :P < 1244755572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I'm gonna try one in 1/1. < 1244755580 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're doing weird time signatures? :P < 1244755591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: That is one of my primary sources of fun, yus. < 1244755597 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah X-P < 1244755604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, but the time signature and number of measures must be set to autocompose! < 1244755610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1244755614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I tried to give it 1/1. < 1244755618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: It didn't enter into the db. < 1244755625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Edit "On Freckled Petsnippers and Other Agglomerates" to be 1/1 plz? < 1244755630 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? That's weird. < 1244755639 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suggests 13/3
< 1244755648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 66/6 < 1244755662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: played at 666bpm < 1244755673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1337/31337 < 1244755687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi/e < 1244755706 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixt < 1244755714 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e/{i*pi} < 1244755731 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, partially fixt :P < 1244755735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: It still won't— yeah. :P < 1244755766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i wonder what imaginary time signatures would be like < 1244755768 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now fixt. < 1244755818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: http://codu.org/masterpiecemachine/getmidi.php?mpid=On+Freckled+Petsnippers+and+Other+Agglomerates < 1244755821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't sound very 1/1. < 1244755922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: http://codu.org/masterpiecemachine/getmidi.php?mpid=How+Conventional+Pop+Song+Tune+What does not live up to its name. < 1244756084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: you should make a meta version of the system which composes compositions < 1244756092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can do _real_ generated masterpieces - in the normal sense < 1244756113 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what sense? < 1244756125 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, as in the tracks agree? < 1244756127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Right. < 1244756138 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /could/ :P < 1244756172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: whuzzyu favyu compozzyu buyzzit? < 1244756178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can make the direct antithesis < 1244756181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus ruining your mind < 1244756182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOREVER < 1244756204 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... whuzzyu ... "what is your"? < 1244756209 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Favorite"? < 1244756225 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compo...sition ... buyer? < 1244756235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Buy, zz, it. < 1244756240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fell asleep. < 1244756274 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably Onerously Upright Toccata < 1244756408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: It'd be nice if we could tweak the uhh spectra. Tendencies? That's the word. < 1244756428 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can ... by editing the code X-P < 1244756438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;.; < 1244756972 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1244756976 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heap sort is a really dumb algorithm < 1244756990 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is your face. < 1244757028 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't cache at all < 1244757058 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, heap sort is much better when you've already got a heap. < 1244757449 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, sorting is much better when you can assume that sort is the identity function < 1244757715 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1244758727 0 :Corun!n=Corun@94-194-111-15.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244758858 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1244758942 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1244759414 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1244761474 0 :Corun_!n=Corun@94-194-111-15.zone8.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1244761684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCSI < 1244761686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made of pie < 1244761687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCSI < 1244761688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :—a poem < 1244761823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: can the genneys do multi harmony? < 1244762068 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.] < 1244762446 0 :Corun!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1244762724 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1244763124 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1244763524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : One is #quote, and one is my fan club. <-- damn whipper snapper got his _own_ _fan_ _club_?! < 1244763530 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1244763541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 < 1244763590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 < 1244763610 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1244763613 0 :psygnisfive!n=psygnisf@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1244763628 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/89! < 1244763641 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty small number < 1244763646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the factorial and all < 1244763662 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, its an exclamation point, not a factorial mark < 1244763675 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whoosh* < 1244763693 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, scheme can computer 89! instantly with perfect precision < 1244763712 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well so can haskell < 1244763717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: so can anything < 1244763720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably python too < 1244763724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just requires a non-totally-shit bignum library < 1244763729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which every civilized language has < 1244763736 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know about that but < 1244763743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, that much is obvious < 1244763784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: it can also compute 1000! instantly with "perfect precision". < 1244763786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on. < 1244763794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: also, scheme is a language, not an implementation < 1244763817 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i suppose 89! is not quite as big as i imagined :o < 1244763839 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but scheme by the spec has perfectprecision on numbers, i think < 1244763840 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways < 1244763841 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im off! < 1244763848 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to eat < 1244763848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: wait. < 1244763855 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye :D < 1244763858 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls that 1000000! or thereabouts got a bit much for lambdabot, unless we used binary splitup
< 1244763859 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which esolang uses diagramatic tensor calculation? < 1244763871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it was 100000! < 1244763894 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TI-92 calculator can calculate some big factorial number < 1244763898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: < 1244763900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~/Junk] % echo 'main = print (product $ enumFromTo 2 10000)' >f.hs < 1244763903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~/Junk] % ghc -O2 f.hs -o f < 1244763916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: runs in 0.06s < 1244763917 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: searching for "tensor" on esolang wiki gives no hits < 1244763921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psygnisfive: beat that :) < 1244763944 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone (possibly me? Or possibly someone else) should invent esolang with diagrammatic tensor calculations < 1244764003 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even i don't know what that is (the diagrammatic part), so i think you may be on your own :) < 1244764004 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sit in this way so that I don't bump the ball and sign on the side of the desk < 1244764054 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what tensor multiplication is? If you don't, I will tell you. < 1244764054 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme has bignums in the standard, though (well, I guess they're sort-of optional, it's just that all the other Scheme implementations will probably not invite you to their parties if you don't do them); that's not something that's in all "civilized" languages. (Except for a very narrow definition of civilized.) < 1244764072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, zzo38pedia. < 1244764077 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you start with [1,-1] and repeatedly tensor square it you get the Morse-Thue sequence < 1244764092 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: also, what's wrong with [2..10000] ? < 1244764107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was just expanding "product . enumFromTo 1" < 1244764121 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tensor multiplication of a AxB and CxD matrices gives (AC)x(BD) size of the result matrix. < 1244764157 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You multiply each entry in the matrix with all entries in the other matrix and put them inside each part where the matrix wads < 1244764173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i know what a tensor multiplication is. it's the "diagrammatic" part i don't know, as i said < 1244764188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more or less, anyway < 1244764199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oerjan is a published mathematician you know :D < 1244764241 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A diagrammatic tensor multiplication, is you put various shapes with lines extending above and below, representing a vector or covector space. You do tensor multiplication horizontally and matrix multiplication vertically < 1244764319 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1244764346 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, if a vector has 2 components, then a shape with 2 lines below and 3 lines above is a tensor representing a matrix with 4 columns and 8 rows < 1244764386 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what a tensor diagram is. < 1244764402 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw matrix multiplication is just tensoring then taking the trace (diagonal sum) along a couple of the coordinates < 1244764406 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1244764428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B and C in the above case < 1244764463 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that may not be quite the same kind of tensoring < 1244764483 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now do you know what a tensor diagram is? And do you know if you get the Morse-Thue sequence when starting with [1,-1] and repeatedly tensor squaring < 1244764520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 by 2 matrix ---> 1 by 2^n matrix? sounds plausible < 1244764545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's thue-morse < 1244764559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: my advisor always said Morse-Thue < 1244764565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1244764585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he loved using it as an example < 1244764609 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it gives a nice dynamical system of the kind we investigated) < 1244764642 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never heard thue-morse. I have always seen it called Morse-Thue < 1244764669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wikipedia says thue-morse and makes no mention to morse-thue < 1244764674 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/usbggh/UnhurriedlySkillfulToccata.mid // my first test of making the tendencies agree. < 1244764674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the esolang wiki always says TM < 1244764689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just copied wikipedia, probably < 1244764690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Morse-ThueSequence.html redirects to thue-morse < 1244764696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'd say that's the "correct" one < 1244764699 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1244764726 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be slightly more "authoritative" < 1244764739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one book in the results said "morse-thue" but meh < 1244764741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue-morse soudns nicer < 1244764743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: that sounds nice < 1244764747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: this could totally become something < 1244764767 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if I add some ability for it to take certain bits and make them repeating themes ... possibilities. < 1244764771 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call it what you like. I just called it Morse-Thue because that is the only thing I have ever seen it being called. < 1244764772 0 :psygnisfive!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1244764788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Then the meta-tendencies. :P