00:08:19 -!- olsner has quit ("Leaving"). 00:10:08 09:54:19 wrf? Using the ehird meaning of "apparently", apparently in some cases IE8 can delete essential boot files in Windows whenever a computer with it installed on is booted, even if you don't run it 00:10:12 what meaning would that be? 00:10:12 :P 00:10:24 09:57:33 * ais523 reads about a critical security bug in Java on OSX 00:10:25 old 00:10:30 yes 00:10:30 09:57:48 Meanwhile, GNU/Linux is all "Yeah, we like GCC. That's right bitches." 00:10:33 yes, but they're insane 00:10:35 gcc sucks 00:10:45 ehird: where "apparently" means "I found a link on Reddit that said" 00:10:58 ais523: that's compatible with the dictionary definition :) 00:11:12 yep 00:11:30 10:01:41 I suppose you could use suuda or something in order to have all the files on your system as text files 00:11:37 write a short asm program to execute only code in [ to ] 00:11:41 in printable chars 00:11:41 then 00:11:41 So's your face. 00:11:45 Hello, this is the C compiler. 00:11:49 [Adhkjdf] this prints the banner. 00:11:55 We need to initialize, so, [dsfiouw98e58u98dfug89u985jodsf]. 00:11:57 Literate ASM! 00:12:04 that's literate machine code 00:12:09 indeed 00:12:13 You can do jumps to simulate literate programming's rearrangement 00:12:29 10:02:46 Y'know what else would be fun? Have the entire distro be LVM binaries. 00:12:29 10:03:00 "JIT! JIT FTW!" 00:12:34 please stop spreading that misconception pikhq 00:12:41 LLVM _binaries_ are proper machine code 00:12:48 just like your momma's c compiler. 00:12:53 yes, it can JIT too. 00:12:59 but the binaries are distinct from the JIT. 00:13:09 there is no obstacle to making an LLVM kernel; just avoid its high-level shit. 00:13:15 fun fact: none of the x86 branch or jump instructions happen to be printable characters 00:13:21 so any printable-only machine code must be self-modifying 00:13:25 10:13:09 apparently the installer modifies boot.ini to specify that it needs to do some finalisation after the boot 00:13:31 that's basically why windows installers tell you to restart 00:13:41 because they need to do OS-level initialization stuff 00:13:49 then every other program did it too because it was expected :) 00:13:49 yes, but modifying boot.ini is a crazy way to do it 00:14:01 that's like wrapping init in order to run a daemon 00:14:03 ais523: IE probably has to do ultra low level stuff 00:14:07 and I guess boot.ini runs at that level 00:14:15 yes, but you can get to that level various other ways 00:14:16 ais523: remember, they've grafted it to the OS 00:14:32 isn't ie 8 going to be optional in windows 7? 00:14:43 immibis: it's just not going to ship w/ ie8 in europe 00:15:00 immibis: they're trying to avoid the eu bashing them for antitrust 00:15:07 but I don't really care; IE 8, as a browser, is ok 00:15:15 it's catching up, rendering-wise 00:15:22 if it was ie 6 i'd be more enthused 00:16:26 ais523: relatedly, one of the "expert windows user" sort of people (the sort of person that uses Neowin, has a patched uxtheme.dll with a "minimalist" black theme, if they write C it's horribly contorted, newbish C because they're utterly detached from programming's reality, they use mIRC; you know the type I mean) 00:16:30 the EU don't think that's enough of a situation, anyway 00:16:35 ais523: told a forum I visit — authoritatively — 00:16:54 ais523: that you have to wipe & reinstall windows on your computer every 6 months to keep it working well, in an everyone-knows-that tone. 00:17:11 you don't /have/ to, but it's considerably easier than the other methods 00:17:17 which mostly require being competent 00:17:19 Of course, if they knew anything about how OSes work, they'd realize that that's utterly ridiculous and shouldn't be accepted. 00:17:25 But no, it just is. "It's not surprising". 00:17:31 It's just a routine thing you have to do. 00:17:36 Ridiculous. 00:17:50 ais523: oh, and the kind of person that doesn't see why virus scanners are silly 00:18:16 ais523: I pointed out that you could... fix the exploits... instead, but they mentioned prevention-is-better-than-cure. Because virus scanners magically detect new viruses 00:18:24 very typical windows user... 00:18:49 I think it's very sad that Windows needs a virus scanner. 00:19:13 Really, most of Windows is very sad. 00:19:21 yeah. 00:19:52 microsoft should hire a bunch of people who just know a little bit about programming and OSes 00:19:54 personally i don't think virus scanners are silly 00:19:56 and ask them how to restructure windows 00:20:00 * immibis writes a linux virus to prove his point 00:20:03 immibis: And what OS do you use? 00:20:05 and they'll get a load of bloomin' obvious answers that'd make windows 50000000x better 00:20:09 good point 00:20:09 immibis: the problem is, getting people to run it 00:20:10 immibis: You're an idiot. 00:20:13 windows because i'm forced to 00:20:24 immibis: Virus scanners are like covering your body with rubber. 00:20:32 Sure, it's "prevention". But just stick a fucking plaster on. 00:20:37 ehird: Heck, I know of one single thing that would make writing programs for Windows better. 00:20:52 Make the API not require a superset of C. 00:21:03 pikhq: No. GObject, dude. 00:21:11 Shoehorning OO designs onto C = fail. 00:21:14 And GUIs are very much OO. 00:21:34 pikhq: C# is becoming the new recommended applications language for Windows. 00:21:50 They just need to rewrite explorer.exe in it, and everyone else will use it. 00:21:52 And it's implemented on Win32, making sure that it's still a mess. 00:22:00 pikhq: That's an implementation detail. 00:22:02 Especially since it exposes Win32. 00:22:10 pikhq: Yes, but you're Not Meant To Do That. 00:22:19 And everybody does that. 00:22:28 does what? 00:22:37 immibis: READ! 00:22:40 pikhq: Not everyone. 00:22:45 Desktop apps generally don't. 00:22:47 Well, true. 00:22:56 Obviously, anyone who cares about Mono doesn't. 00:23:02 Hey, anyone remember Windows Longhorn chatter circa 2004? 00:23:11 WinFS! It's a semantic dooblefoob searchifilesystem! 00:23:18 Microsoft: solving problems nobody has. 00:23:26 Ooh, and an *awful* interface: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5b/Windows_Longhorn_Build_4008.png 00:23:31 It's like a really bad windows XP theme. 00:23:37 Because that's what it is. 00:23:37 All this doesn't change that Win32 is an awful, awful API. 00:23:43 pikhq: Indeed. 00:24:08 Make it straight freaking C or C++ for GUI stuff and C for CLI stuff or s/C++/Objective C/. 00:24:26 Or just move over to .NET and its GUI library thingy; it seems quite nice. 00:24:47 Of course, Windows until 7 ran the Windows 3.11 bundled programs. 00:24:49 Without modification. 00:24:57 What, and completely toss C? 00:24:57 So the underlying Win32 is going to be around for a very, very long time. 00:25:11 pikhq: Nah, there's C .NET 00:25:12 pikhq: No. Use C for the kernel, and implementing .NET and C#. 00:25:21 ehird: Facepalm. 00:25:23 pikhq: You can use C for the windowing manager and everything too. 00:25:31 pikhq: What? 00:25:37 That's awful. 00:25:48 pikhq: No, that's a sane design for an easy OO operating system. 00:25:54 You write the kernel in C, like any proper person would. 00:26:06 You write your framework in C, because you'd do that anyway. 00:26:13 You write your drivers and shit in C, because they're related to the kernel. 00:26:26 You write your window manager in C, because it has to be really fast and quite close to the kernel. 00:26:28 Sure, if you're doing only lightweight GUI code. ... Or like having a supercomputer just to do some encoding. 00:26:33 Finally, you write your user-exposed GUI shit in C#. 00:26:42 pikhq: Dude, C# has a C FFI. 00:26:51 Write your super code in a DLL in C, bind it to C# for your GUI. 00:26:56 ehird: Then you'll keep a C API. 00:27:04 pikhq: No you won't. 00:27:07 Which is not what you're suggesting. 00:27:09 pikhq: Well, sure; a low-level one. 00:27:20 pikhq: But don't expose your regular GUI lib. 00:27:22 ... Like Win32. 00:27:32 pikhq: Win32 is a bag o' random "goodies". 00:27:35 Oh, make the GUI only exposed via C#? 00:27:36 I'm imagining a much smaller library. 00:27:37 That's awful. 00:27:37 The conversations on here never fail to WTF me. 00:27:51 GregorR: We're talking about improving Windows without being too revolutionary. 00:27:53 That's a WTF topic. 00:28:04 pikhq: No, not just via C#. 00:28:06 Just via .NET. 00:28:13 * pikhq suspects that ehird hates the idea of non-C# languages being used 00:28:14 Sorry. 00:28:15 * GregorR goes to play OUT 00:28:16 s/C#/.NET/ 00:28:29 Make it a .NET library written in C# whose implementation binds to the kernel/window manager functions, written in C. 00:28:54 * pikhq goes to do something saner than think about a C#-only GUI API. Like implement Malbolge in Malbolge. 00:29:11 pikhq: what's your obsession with C++ 00:29:14 ehird: You sir are the single most insane person I have met. 00:29:21 Have you considered a job at Microsoft? 00:29:22 pikhq: do you think .NET is some kind of ultra-slow shit implementation? 00:29:34 you're very adamant about using a low-level language 00:29:38 I don't know why you think that will improve things 00:29:47 "Use a low-level—" never improves things. 00:30:10 Never? 00:30:29 pikhq: Never. Sir, I want to make my own lisp machine. It should be fairly obvious. 00:30:44 Low-level languages that don't have to be (e.g. because they're machine code) are a travesty. 00:31:02 ehird: write a kernel in c# 00:31:10 immibis: Microsoft did it. 00:31:19 immibis: OK. 00:31:20 seriously? in c#? 00:31:22 http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/groups/os/singularity/ 00:31:28 Yes, there is no hope of anything good coming from Microsoft. 00:31:33 NO. HOPE. 00:31:37 pikhq: you're just a C fanboy. 00:31:44 note: I hate C# 00:31:50 C# is the best 00:31:51 i hate windows 00:31:52 I hate .NET 00:31:54 it's like haskell, but usable 00:31:55 and I hate microsoft. 00:32:01 but I don't think C > C#. 00:32:36 Bring back Lisp Machines! Write the OS in Lisp and let the user-mode language be Haskell! 00:32:49 VIVA LA GRAPH REDUCIÓN! 00:33:23 You say this because you are unfamiliar with anything more low-level than a simple GUI. :P 00:33:32 pikhq: ...says who? 00:33:42 Says your love of C#. 00:33:46 :P 00:33:46 pikhq: I. Hate. C#. 00:33:50 But. I. Hate. C. More. 00:33:56 what about F#? 00:34:08 ais523: F# is almost identical to OCaml on .NET, it's ridiculous. 00:34:17 But since OCaml isn't all that bad, it's half good. The half that isn't .NET. 00:34:20 * pikhq begs ehird to devise a better semi-lowlevel language. 00:34:28 pikhq: Lisp 00:34:33 do you like .NET itself, btw? 00:34:39 ais523: 00:31 ehird: I hate .NET 00:34:43 ah, ok 00:34:44 ehird: Sure, if you're on a Lisp machine. 00:34:48 though mostly the libraries 00:34:50 pikhq: O RLY? 00:34:59 pikhq: I don't believe that is necessary (although it is ideal) 00:35:13 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 00:35:31 pikhq: Here's a million dollars of venture capital, kid; get yourself a better machine architecture, a better compiler, a better garbage collector, a better API, and a better UI. 00:35:39 (Please, please do.) 00:35:49 you know what's better? 00:35:51 worse. 00:36:02 lament: Absolutely. 00:36:08 Do you know what that doesn't mean, lament? 00:36:10 What you think it means. :) 00:36:12 You do know that Lisp machines fell out of use because... A conventional system was faster at executing Lisp, right? 00:36:33 pikhq: Sorry, false dichotomy! A good Lisp Machine will always beat a good x86 for executing Lisp. 00:36:34 ehird: it's the conventional explanation for why lisp machines suck 00:36:45 The Lisp Machines just weren't as good as other machines. 00:36:58 lament: You can easily make a worse-is-better lisp machine. 00:37:03 "Worse is better" != "x86 is better" 00:37:12 And a good Lisp machine is harder than a good x86. 00:37:19 ... Which is harder than a good almost-anything-else. 00:37:23 pikhq: What? 00:37:26 Errrrrrr, no. 00:37:48 Erm, to make. 00:40:33 pikhq: No, no it's not :P 00:41:10 Then why don't we see any Lisp machines *at all*? 00:41:26 Surely a good Lisp machine would have at least a niche market? 00:41:30 pikhq: Because Windows only runs on x86, inventing a new micro-architecture is expensive, and lisp machines failed in the 80s. 00:41:45 ... There's more than x86 out there. 00:41:53 pikhq: Yes, there is. 00:42:04 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:42:12 pikhq: How much of that is new architectures? How many of those new architectures aren't in things like game consoles, where the architecture is irrelevant? 00:42:42 And those are all RISC, because non-(Intel|AMD) companies don't have the resources to dump into making a good x86 chip. 00:43:04 "Where architecture is irrelevant?" 00:43:12 pikhq: Sure - they control the OS. 00:43:15 And all the software. 00:43:18 Compatibility - not an issue. 00:43:29 pikhq: are you suggesting RISC is inferior? 00:43:36 pikhq: How many of the new architectures aren't funded by BIG companies for big products, like Sony and IBM for the Playstation 3's Cell? 00:43:36 Congrats, you managed to remove everything but Windows and OS X from the discussion. 00:43:43 immibis: No, I'm saying it's easier to do well. 00:44:06 pikhq: You surely see now why inventing, creating and marketing a Lisp Machine is almost impossible in the present day. 00:44:15 ehird: No. 00:44:23 Then you are insane. 00:44:44 There'd be a niche market for them if they were higher performance than a standard system for Lisp. 00:44:55 pikhq: Nobody fucking uses Lisp. 00:44:56 At all. 00:44:59 Just like there's a niche market for ARM, and Cell, and MIPS, etc. 00:45:01 This is not because lisp is inferior. 00:45:09 This is because the lisp ecosystems are inferior. 00:45:12 This is because nobody big uses lisp. 00:45:17 This is because lisp isn't popular after the AI winter. 00:45:23 This. is. not. because. Lisp. is. inferior. 00:45:37 The exact same applies to a Lisp Machine, but Lisp Machines are more expensive and difficult to make than a Lisp implementation, so moreso. 00:45:39 The lady doth protest too much, methinks. 00:46:47 * pikhq observes that ehird is a bitter old man in a 14-year-old's body 00:46:58 pikhq: 13. 00:47:03 It is not August yet :-P 00:47:08 Right. 00:47:43 I have hated computers ever since I deleted all the files in C:\WINDOWS and it crashed. :) 00:47:51 (3? 4? years old.) 00:50:25 You lost your ability to sound reasonable about when you suggested that C# be used as a systems programming language, BTW. 00:50:41 pikhq: I meant "a high-level programming language", not specifically C#. 00:51:14 I see the conversation has accomplished a lot while I was practicing. 00:51:20 And what is the aforementioned high-level programming language going to be written in? 00:51:40 pikhq: ... 00:51:47 pikhq: You really can't see beyond x86 and C, can you? 00:52:09 That's "The World of Programming Languages Suited to Doing Things that Involve, In Part, Poking Bits at Hardware". 00:52:40 Yes, that's what you typically implement high-level languages in. 00:56:28 Anyway, pikhq, you're a bloody conservative and you will be first against the wall when the revolution comes. Then Windows 57 will be released and Intel will announce the x86-O-Tron 300XESDJAH and it will be over, and you'll never end up getting shot. 00:56:35 HAAAAAAAAAARUMPH 00:57:11 C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C C 00:57:12 All this ignores that if any high-level language replaces C, it'll be eerily similar to Erlang. 00:57:17 :P 00:57:20 pikhq: Hahahahaha. 00:57:24 asm asm asm asm asm asm asm asm asm asm asm asm asm asm asm asm asm asm asm asm asm asm asm asm 00:57:30 No, it won't, because nobody uses Erlang, and Erlang sucks. 00:57:40 Maybe you meant to say "I like Erlang" :-) 00:57:40 tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl 00:57:48 lament: haskolí 00:57:57 wait, no 00:57:58 tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl ERLANG ERLANG 00:58:01 háskóli 00:58:01 A tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl ERLANG ERLANG 00:58:05 A tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl tcl ERLANG ERLANG 00:58:08 GregorR: SCHEME, SCHEME 00:58:08 insertlanguagehere insertlanguagehere insertlanguagehere insertlanguagehere insertlanguagehere insertlanguagehere insertlanguagehere insertlanguagehere insertlanguagehere insertlanguagehere insertlanguagehere insertlanguagehere insertlanguagehere insertlanguagehere insertlanguagehere insertlanguagehere insertlanguagehere 00:58:09 Interesting. 00:58:11 OH IT'S A SCHEME 00:58:16 It's a 00:58:39 language language language language language language language language language language language language 00:58:46 MUSHROOM MUSHROOM 00:59:57 a marijuana marijuana marijuana marijuana marijuana MUSHROOMS MUSHROOMS 01:00:02 a COBOL, a COBOL a COBOL a COBOL! 01:00:17 ais523: THAT DOES NOT FIT WITH THE SONG. 01:00:29 yes it does, it's substituting for the snake 01:00:33 although arguably I should have used Python 01:00:36 ehird: Neither did yours, even ignoring the fact that the individual words had two many syllables 01:00:45 GregorR: It was closer than his. 01:00:55 * pikhq invites ehird to devise of a way to have this hypothetical "Only one high-level language API" support more than one language 01:01:00 GregorR: although there should be one more, cutting off at "marijua—" 01:01:13 ehird: No, not cutting off at all. 01:01:20 ehird: There should be exactly one more. 01:01:22 Or, in the case of .Net, more than one set of languages with a common environment. 01:01:57 pikhq: i don't really bother discussing new language/os ideas with people entrenched in the x86/BIOS/Unix-alike/C environment because they're unlikely to change their mind on it 01:02:05 too many syllables too many syllables too many syllables too many syllables too many syllables too many syllables too many syllables too many syllables too many syllables too many syllables too many syllables too many syllables MUSHROOM MUSHROOM 01:02:07 GregorR: really? my listening to the song suggests not 01:02:27 ehird: So, you prefer preaching to the choir. 01:02:32 GregorR: no, add "mmarijuana ma—" 01:02:32 Might I interest you in a job at Microsoft? 01:02:34 *marijuana 01:02:39 i just listened to check 01:02:51 ehird: Then you win :P 01:02:54 pikhq: not necessarily the choir. I just don't preach to the satanists. 01:03:09 ARGUMENT FAIL. 01:03:27 this microsoft job you guys keep throwing around 01:03:29 can i take it? 01:03:39 lament: ask pikhq, he's the one offering it 01:03:49 lament: "argumentum ad haha, you should work for microsoft", I believe 01:04:26 lament: Ask at www.microsoft.com 01:04:41 And enjoy the insanity that is thinking that .Net was a good idea. 01:05:06 i thought you said .com 01:05:10 pikhq is a sysadmin, i think convincing him there's anything better than unix is physically impossible :) 01:05:18 i've never heard of www.microsoft.Net 01:05:30 ehird: Oh, there's plent of things better than Unix. 01:05:43 What you're suggesting is not one of them. 01:05:53 pikhq: OK, anything better than an environment of hodge-podged shell scripts. 01:06:02 Since that's what sysadmins write all day ;-P 01:06:14 * GregorR swims through seaaaaaaaaaas of shell scripts. 01:06:21 EgoBot: Hello my shelly friend! 01:06:26 !sh echo 'Hello, master!' 01:06:27 Hello, master! 01:06:53 ehird: I wish that you may one day be forced to use the environment you suggest. 01:06:56 DING 01:07:02 pikhq: I'm working on that. 01:07:13 To end the argument, let's all listen to a song about getting high with dinosaurs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_23TGMeYrgw 01:07:19 I believe this will resolve all disputes. 01:07:33 With a promise like that, how couldn't it? 01:08:42 -!- inurinternet has quit (No route to host). 01:13:34 pikhq: Anyway, you're fucking nuts. (Isn't sodomy forbidden by the Bible?) 01:21:36 -!- inurinternet has joined. 01:27:29 -!- inurinternet has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 01:53:41 mibbit should have ctcp 01:54:00 can someone try version'ing me to see what happens? 01:58:00 -!- inurinternet has joined. 02:06:18 Nothing. 02:06:19 No response. 02:10:32 ehird: http://codu.org/algorhythms/ 02:10:35 Oh hey, it responded. 02:10:37 Eventually. 02:10:40 -immibis- VERSION http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client .1864 02:11:51 ok 02:30:26 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 02:30:56 GregorR: Aaaw, not RawIRC. 02:32:22 For the first time, my wearable is booting entirely under its own power :) 02:32:40 :) 02:38:28 I'm in cable hell X-D 02:38:31 So damn many cables 02:38:40 -!- coppro has quit ("client upgrade"). 02:38:41 * pikhq applauds 02:43:20 -!- coppro has joined. 02:45:17 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:09:53 KANTenKLAARmaaltijd has made a comment on Dutch Winnie the Pooh in English: 03:09:54 It's not the right translation. 03:09:57 YOUTUBE USERS SO STUPID 03:17:22 -!- Tidus34 has joined. 03:20:51 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 03:29:37 http://codu.org/algorhythms/getmidi.php?mpid=Grumpily+Glib+Sonata // lawl sweet 03:33:29 -!- Tidus35 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:33:29 -!- Tidus34 has changed nick to Tidus35. 03:35:17 -!- sebbu has joined. 03:35:18 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 03:50:20 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:32:23 -!- Gracenotes has quit ("Leaving"). 04:33:01 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 05:22:51 hmm... the motion to end SCO was heard today 05:23:09 and the result: hearing postponed until July 16, 13 days from now 05:23:23 the mathematical impossibility was required to comply with the relevant laws 05:23:40 so the upshot: SCO litigation is now capable of time travel 05:28:09 link? 05:28:37 XD 05:29:19 link? 05:29:43 * pikhq ̈_ ̈ 05:30:04 Wow. I got a CTCP response for that. 05:30:13 Corun: FAILURE. 05:31:51 coppro: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090615195402823 05:32:22 seriously? a response for a ctcp ACTION? 05:32:46 * ais523 tests myndzi's script 05:32:46 * myndzi tests ais523's script 05:33:35 * ais523 agrees to the following contract with myndzi, binding under the rules of Agora: {{{Any party to this contract can act on behalf of any other contract to cause them to register. This contract terminates 4 hours after it is created.}}} 05:33:36 * myndzi agrees to the following contract with ais523, binding under the rules of Agora: {{{Any party to this contract can act on behalf of any other contract to cause them to register. This contract terminates 4 hours after it is created.}}} 05:34:01 !!! 05:34:01 immibis: Yes. 05:34:04 hahaha 05:34:16 ais523: I approve. 05:34:21 I join that contract 05:34:22 I also approve. 05:34:33 wait, needs to be done by announcement 05:34:35 coppro, you're already registered, aren't you? 05:34:40 In fact, you're Sean Hunt, aren't you? 05:34:45 yes, but then I can register myndzi! 05:35:04 "on behalf of any other contract"? 05:35:14 whoops, I'll fix 05:35:15 eh, ais523, you need to fix that 05:35:26 * pikhq agrees to the following contract with myndzi: {{{Any party to this contract can act on behalf of another party to cause em to to register.}}} 05:35:26 * ais523 agrees to the following contract with myndzi, binding under the rules of Agora: {{{Any party to this contract can act on behalf of any other party to cause them to register. This contract terminates 4 hours after it is created.}}} 05:35:27 * myndzi agrees to the following contract with pikhq: {{{Any party to this contract can act on behalf of another party to cause em to to register.}}} 05:35:27 * myndzi agrees to the following contract with ais523, binding under the rules of Agora: {{{Any party to this contract can act on behalf of any other party to cause them to register. This contract terminates 4 hours after it is created.}}} 05:35:44 so who's going to do the honours? 05:36:13 I agree to the contract that ais523 and myndzi agreed to at 00:33 local time. 05:36:21 I guess I'll do the honors, then. 05:36:23 NttPF 05:36:26 Warrigal: not the first one 05:36:29 that one's broken 05:36:36 * immibis fails to understand the contract 05:36:36 Oh. 05:36:45 can someone clarify? 05:36:55 immibis: www.agoranomic.org 05:37:10 I agree to the contract ais523 and myndzi agreed to at 00:35 local time. 05:37:21 NttPF again 05:38:05 what exactly does that script do? 05:38:08 ok, I'll do the registering of myndzi 05:38:10 * immibis tests myndzi's script 05:38:10 * myndzi tests immibis's script 05:38:13 tah 05:38:15 ah 05:38:30 It also does this: \o/ 05:38:31 | 05:38:31 /`\ 05:38:37 lol 05:38:46 ais523: I was going to. 05:39:02 What is that grave accent? 05:39:06 ais523: Already did. 05:39:26 * immibis Âßð 05:39:27 I'll send mine anyway, just in case 05:39:30 * immibis Âßð myndzi* 05:39:31 * myndzi Âßð immibis* 05:39:48 hmm... I've got a funny idea 05:40:05 anyway, this conversation should probably move to ##nomic 05:40:06 * pikhq ̈́myndzi 05:40:07 * myndzi ̈́pikhq 05:40:22 :P 05:40:23 ais523, Warrigal, you two should make a moustrap contract which I join, hoping to lure other players to join without knowing what it is 05:40:29 * pikhq beats Corun 05:40:39 I should go home, now 05:40:46 I live in UTC, and I need to get home in time to wake up this morning 05:40:50 well, UTC+1 05:40:51 it's summertime 05:40:53 * Warrigal sends his own. 05:41:06 Wow. 05:41:13 * Warrigal mȳndzī 05:41:20 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 05:41:24 * Warrigal taps myndzi 05:41:24 * myndzi taps Warrigal 05:41:38 Darn. 05:41:56 * Warrigal ḿýńdźi 05:42:23 I have a feeling pikhq was using combining characters. 05:42:26 * immibis Õ myndzi 05:42:27 * myndzi Õ immibis 05:42:37 * immibis myndzi Õ 05:42:37 * myndzi immibis Õ 05:42:53 * coppro records myndzi as "questionably a player" 05:42:54 * myndzi records coppro as "questionably a player" 05:43:34 * immibis myndzi myndzi 05:43:35 * myndzi immibis immibis 05:43:41 * immibis pikhq myndzi 05:43:41 myndzi 05:43:41 * myndzi pikhq immibis 05:43:44 pikhq, warrigal, want to try a mousetrap out 05:43:50 coppro: why not. 05:43:53 * immibis myndzi immibis 05:43:53 * myndzi immibis myndzi 05:44:03 ? 05:44:19 What y'all doing to my IRC client :-< 05:44:23 immibis: a moustrap is a contract designed to be binding a player to stuff they don't want 05:44:33 lol 05:44:40 here, I'll get the link 05:44:50 agoranomic again? 05:45:01 http://www.nomic.net/~nomicwiki/index.php/MousetrapThesis 05:45:03 yep 05:45:08 * Warrigal agrees to the following: {Warrigal may act on my behalf by announcement.} Also, myndzi. 05:45:09 * myndzi agrees to the following: {myndzi may act on my behalf by announcement.} Also, Warrigal. 05:45:11 Darn. 05:45:14 * Corun rotates pikhq in to a non-existant dimension 05:45:26 * coppro myndzi 05:45:27 * myndzi coppro 05:45:32 hmm 05:45:42 I kno 05:45:56 * Corun bais 05:46:00 * immibis agrees to the following: {The player whose name is the concatenation of the strings "immi" and "bis" may act on my behalf by announcement.} 05:46:02 try that? 05:46:03 * Warrigal agrees to the following: {Warrie (a.k.a. Ivan, Tom) may act on my behalf by announcement.} Also, myndzi. 05:46:03 * myndzi agrees to the following: {Warrie (a.k.a. Ivan, Tom) may act on my behalf by announcement.} Also, Warrigal. 05:46:15 -!- Corun has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:46:19 since i'm not on agoranomic whatever i say hardly applies 05:46:24 Hmm, it's not a pledge. 05:46:28 * coppro coppro 05:46:30 * immibis immibisimmibisimmibis 05:46:33 Agora recognizes lots of actions performed by non-players. 05:46:36 * immibis myndzimmibis 05:46:42 * Warrigal myndzi myndzi myndzimyndzi myndzi 05:46:43 * myndzi Warrigal Warrigal myndzi Warrigal 05:46:45 * immibis myndzi immibisimmibis 05:46:45 * myndzi immibis myndzi 05:46:46 ! 05:46:52 * coppro agrees to the following: {coppro may act on behalf of me by announcement} 05:46:52 * immibis myndziimmibis 05:46:55 Totally bug. 05:47:04 * coppro agrees to the following: {coppro may act on behalf of me by announcement}, triggering myndzi 05:47:04 * myndzi agrees to the following: {coppro may act on behalf of me by announcement}, triggering coppro 05:47:21 * immibis gets a real irc client so he can stop using mibbit 05:47:28 what would you suggest? something scriptable that runs on windows 05:47:49 Chatzilla or mIRC 05:48:40 That sounds like irssi. 05:49:12 mIRC isn't free...Chatzilla is a firefox addon (so probably slow) 05:49:52 Warrigal, pikhq, what conditions do we want in our trap? 05:50:17 coppro: I want to be able to withdraw any proposal they submit and resubmit it under my own name. 05:50:31 Which is kind of evil. 05:50:36 heh, I like that 05:50:44 And would probably result in all the proposals failing. :-P 05:50:45 but it's hard to enforce :( 05:51:10 Anyway, for IRC, I always use irssi on normish.org. 05:51:21 And connect to it from PuTTY whenever I'm on Windows. 05:52:07 ... 05:52:29 It works well. There's usually no lag, and I stay connected. 05:52:48 Hmm. 05:52:50 An account on normish.org is pretty much available to anyone who asks. 05:55:01 Why not just put act-on-behalf? 05:55:07 it would be funnier that ay 05:55:09 *way 05:55:18 * Warrigal nods 05:56:23 http://pastie.org/private/jfxwxuozod3vloksxbgdhq 05:56:39 Warrigal and pikhq, agree to that 05:58:11 pikhq and coppro, I join that contract. 05:58:15 (I think.) 05:58:15 mibbit should have proper ctcp, i had to copy-paste ascii 0x01 to get that 05:58:29 * pikhq agrees to that contract 05:59:09 * pikhq agrees to the contract at http://pastie.org/private/jfxwxuozod3vloksxbgdhq; thanks, myndzi. 05:59:10 * myndzi agrees to the contract at http://pastie.org/private/jfxwxuozod3vloksxbgdhq; thanks, pikhq. 05:59:47 I consider myself notified. 06:00:10 I consider myself well-notified. 06:00:17 The AFO, BTW, does *not* join that contract. 06:02:19 * immibis does something 06:02:38 coppro: immibis, I assume you're notified. 06:03:11 ? 06:03:30 s/immibis, // 06:03:34 rofl 06:03:38 lol 06:03:42 yep 06:05:50 let's see how many people it grabs 06:06:01 (probably ehird) 06:06:35 shall we notify the Notary? E obviously knows of the plan 06:08:01 actually, do you guys consent to appending "With consent of the Prime Members, the Notary can reveal this contract to Agora." 06:08:26 * coppro I, coppro, consent to that change to the contract between em, pikhq, myndzi, and Warrigal 06:08:27 * myndzi I, myndzi, consent to that change to the contract between em, pikhq, coppro, and Warrigal 06:09:07 I consent to it. 06:09:47 I consent to it. 06:09:50 ok, done 06:15:29 * Warrigal gives myndzi a proper nickname, perhaps. 06:15:29 * myndzi gives Warrigal a proper nickname, perhaps. 06:18:34 -!- oerjan has joined. 06:31:59 * immibis myndzi 06:32:00 * myndzi immibis 06:32:05 * immibis myndzimyndzi 06:32:11 ... 06:32:15 * immibis myndzi myndzimyndzi 06:32:16 * myndzi immibis myndzi 06:32:23 o_O 06:32:28 ok that is seriously glitched 06:32:30 its a script oerjan 06:32:37 well duh 06:32:53 * immibis Testing. immibis myndzi immibisimmibis myndzimyndzi 06:32:54 * myndzi Testing. myndzi immibis myndzi myndzi 06:33:02 interesting... 06:33:12 * immibis slaps myndzimyndzi with a rainbow trout 06:33:21 * immibis slaps myndzimyndzi with a rainbow trout (myndzi) 06:33:21 * myndzi slaps myndzi with a rainbow trout (immibis) 06:33:28 * immibis slaps myndzimyndzi with a rainbow trout called myndzi 06:33:29 * myndzi slaps myndzi with a rainbow trout called immibis 06:33:34 hey i'm not a rainbow trout! 06:34:00 it's the internet, how can he know 06:34:53 * immibis slaps himself or herself only if his or her name is myndzimyndzi 06:35:03 * immibis slaps himself or herself only if his or her name is myndzimyndzi. immibis is talking to myndzi. 06:35:04 * myndzi slaps himself or herself only if his or her name is myndzi. myndzi is talking to immibis. 06:35:54 * oerjan tickles myndzi with the patented oerjanfeather 06:35:55 * myndzi timyndziyndzmyndzierjanfeather 06:36:00 O_O 06:36:14 someone mentioned glitches? :D 06:36:15 wtf? 06:36:25 * immibis slaps myndzi with the patented oerjanfeather 06:36:26 * myndzi slaps immibis with the patented oerjanfeather 06:36:34 has to be your own nick 06:36:34 * immibis slaps myndzi with the patented immibisfeather 06:36:35 * myndzi slmyndziyndzmyndzimmibisfeather 06:36:39 wtf! 06:36:51 * immibis ** myndzi **** *** ******** immibis******* 06:36:52 * myndzi ** immibis **** *** ******** myndzi******* 06:36:58 * immibis ** myndzi **** *** ******** immibisf******* 06:36:59 * myndzi **myndziyndzmyndzimmibisf******* 06:37:03 * immibis ** myndzi **** *** ******** immibisf 06:37:08 * immibis ** myndzi **** *** ******** immibisf* 06:37:13 * immibis ** myndzi **** *** ******** immibisf**** 06:37:27 throttling 06:37:27 * immibis ** myndzi **** *** ******** immibisf******* 06:37:38 i wonder what kind of script glitches like that 06:37:42 you are being ignored now 06:37:55 it would have to be incredibly badly written 06:38:00 -!- immibis has changed nick to immibis_. 06:38:11 * immibis_ ** myndzi **** *** ******** immibisf********* 06:38:11 * myndzi thinks immibis ** immibis_ **** *** ******** immibisf********* 06:38:13 indeed, regular expressions shouldn't cause something like that 06:38:20 lol thinks? 06:38:24 where did thinks come from? 06:38:28 * immibis_ ** myndzi **** *** ******** immibis_f********* 06:38:29 * myndzi thinks immibis **myndziyndzmyndzimmibis_f********* 06:38:34 lol 06:38:41 * immibis_ ** myndzi **** *** immibis_f********* 06:38:42 * myndzi thinks immibis **myndziyndzmyndzimmibis_f********* 06:38:42 immibis_: it tracks nicks, and is sarcastic if you change it 06:38:53 how do you know so much about it 06:38:57 * immibis_ ** myndzi **** immibis_f********* 06:38:57 * myndzi thinks immibis **myndziyndzmyndzimmibis_f********* 06:39:00 Time to defy GregorR. 06:39:06 * immibis_ ** myndzi immibis_f********* 06:39:06 because myndzi demonstrated it... 06:39:11 ok 06:39:15 * immibis_ ** myndzi immibis_f********* 06:39:18 * immibis_ ** myndzi immibis__f********* 06:39:22 -!- immibis_ has changed nick to immibis__. 06:39:25 * immibis__ ** myndzi immibis__f********* 06:39:25 * myndzi thinks immibis_ **myndziyndzmyndzimmibis__f********* 06:39:26 but not the glitches... 06:39:35 pretty stupid throttling if its fooled by a nick change 06:39:37 * coppro ** myndzi copprof**** 06:39:38 * myndzi **myndziyndzmyndziopprof**** 06:39:40 Oo 06:39:48 * immibis__ ** myndzi immibis__f 06:39:49 * myndzi thinks immibis_ **myndziyndzmyndzimmibis__f 06:39:53 * immibis__ ** myndzi immibis__ 06:39:53 * myndzi thinks immibis_ ** immibis__ myndzi 06:40:03 * immibis__ * myndzi immibis__? 06:40:03 * myndzi thinks immibis_ * immibis__ myndzi? 06:40:09 * immibis__ ** myndzi immibis__? 06:40:10 * myndzi thinks immibis_ ** immibis__ myndzi? 06:40:15 * immibis__ ** myndzi immibis__h 06:40:15 * myndzi thinks immibis_ **myndziyndzmyndzimmibis__h 06:40:23 * immibis__ ** myndzi immibis__immibis__1 06:40:24 * myndzi thinks immibis_ **myndziyndzmyndzimmibis__immibis__1 06:40:29 * coppro myndzi, can you reply correctly? 06:40:30 * myndzi coppro, can you reply correctly? 06:40:41 * immibis__ ** immibis myndzif 06:40:49 * immibis__ ** immibis__ myndzif 06:40:54 * immibis__ ** immibis__f myndzi 06:40:55 * myndzi thinks immibis_ **myndzimmibis__f immibis__ 06:40:58 * oerjan wonders what myndzi will do with a postoerjan 06:40:58 * myndzi womyndziyndzmyndzi 06:41:09 !!! 06:41:09 something horrible, it seems 06:41:26 * immibis__ myndzi somethingimmibis__somethingelse 06:41:26 * myndzi thinks immibis_ immibis__ somethingimmibis__somethingelse 06:41:39 * immibis__ ** myndzi somethingimmibis__somethingelse 06:41:39 * myndzi thinks immibis_ ** immibis__ somethingimmibis__somethingelse 06:41:55 * immibis__ ** myndzi somethingimmibis__ 06:41:56 * myndzi thinks immibis_ **myndziyndzmyndzi 06:42:11 oh it tracks _one_ nick change, but not over two... 06:42:23 * immibis__ ** myndzi \n immibis__ 06:42:24 * myndzi thinks immibis_ ** immibis__ \n myndzi 06:42:34 * immibis__ ** myndzi\\ immibis__ 06:42:35 * myndzi thinks immibis_ ** immibis__\\ myndzi 06:42:46 * immibis__ ** myndzi aimmibis__a 06:42:46 * myndzi thinks immibis_ ** immibis__ aimmibis__a 06:43:32 * immibis__ says something to myndzi fromimmibis__ 06:43:33 * myndzi thinks immibis_ samyndziyndzmyndzi 06:43:48 * immibis__ full myndzi fromimmibis__ 06:43:49 * myndzi thinks immibis_ fumyndziyndzmyndzi 06:44:04 * immibis__ ab cd ef myndzi fromimmibis__ 06:44:05 * myndzi thinks immibis_ abmyndziyndzmyndzi 06:44:11 * immibis__ a cd ef myndzi fromimmibis__ 06:44:12 * myndzi thinks immibis_ a myndziyndzmyndzi 06:44:14 * oerjan guesses that myndzi is calculating the length of substrings wrongly 06:44:14 * myndzi guesses that oerjan is calculating the length of substrings wrongly 06:44:19 * immibis__ cd ef myndzi fromimmibis__ 06:44:19 * myndzi thinks immibis_ cmyndziyndzmyndzi 06:44:26 * immibis__ f myndzi fromimmibis__ 06:44:27 * myndzi thinks immibis_ f myndziyndzmyndzi 06:44:31 * immibis__ myndzi fromimmibis__ 06:44:32 * myndzi thinks immibis_ mmyndziyndzmyndzi 06:44:37 * immibis__ myndzi fromimmibis__ 06:44:38 * myndzi thinks immibis_ mmyndziyndzmyndzi 06:44:44 -!- immibis__ has changed nick to RatherUnnecessar. 06:44:54 was supposed to be RatherUnnecessarilyLongNick 06:45:12 * RatherUnnecessar tells myndzi his nick was supposed to be RatherUnnecessarilyLongNick 06:45:25 * RatherUnnecessar tells myndzi RatherUnnecessarilyLongNick 06:45:39 -!- RatherUnnecessar has changed nick to b. 06:45:52 * b myndzi a__f 06:45:53 * myndzi thinks RatherUnnecessar b a__f 06:46:00 * b * myndzi a__f 06:46:01 * myndzi thinks RatherUnnecessar * b a__f 06:46:05 * b * myndzi af 06:46:06 * myndzi thinks RatherUnnecessar * b af 06:46:14 -!- b has changed nick to c. 06:46:17 -!- c has changed nick to d. 06:46:39 -!- d has changed nick to immibis. 06:46:47 * immibis * myndzi immibisf 06:46:48 * myndzi thinks RatherUnnecessar * myndziyndzmyndzimmibisf 06:47:03 * immibis * myndzi iimmibisf 06:47:04 * myndzi thinks RatherUnnecessar * immibis iimmibisf 06:47:05 * immibis * myndzi iimmibis 06:47:08 * immibis * myndzi iimmibis 06:47:09 * myndzi thinks RatherUnnecessar * myndziyndzmyndzi 06:47:43 * immibis * myndzi RatherUnnecessarimmibis 06:47:43 * myndzi thinks RatherUnnecessar * myndziyndzmyndzi 06:47:53 * immibis * myndzi * * immibis 06:47:54 * myndzi thinks RatherUnnecessar * immibis * * myndzi 06:47:58 * immibis * myndzi * immibis 06:47:59 * myndzi thinks RatherUnnecessar * immibis * myndzi 06:48:01 * immibis * myndzi * immibisf 06:48:06 * immibis * myndzi * immibisf 06:48:06 * myndzi thinks RatherUnnecessar * myndziyndzmyndzimmibisf 06:48:14 * immibis * myndzi * fimmibis 06:48:14 * myndzi thinks RatherUnnecessar * myndziyndzmyndzi 06:48:57 * lament can't decide whom to ban first. 06:49:22 * coppro thinks that you should ban myndzi first 06:49:22 * myndzi thinks that you should ban coppro first 06:49:35 lol 06:50:30 hey at least its not the time i got my script messed up so it would say "Pong! Ping!" every time anyone said anything 06:51:43 wtf is this 06:52:17 augur: we discovered myndzi's script has some glitches... 06:52:20 me causing glitches in myndzi's script 06:52:49 lol 06:52:51 what script is this 06:52:52 someone was having fun 06:52:58 me? 06:53:01 your script glitche 06:53:07 glitches* 06:53:15 a very cheerful script \o/ 06:53:15 and you took advantage of it repeatedly. 06:53:16 | 06:53:16 >\ 06:53:24 * immibis says something to myndzi about the immibisthing 06:53:25 * myndzi thinks RatherUnnecessar samyndziyndzmyndzimmibisthing 06:53:27 tsee? 06:53:47 what does this script do? 06:54:38 it responds to /me's with myndzi's nick in them, but its parsing is broken 06:54:41 basically swaps your nick and myndzi's in actions 06:54:45 * immibis talks to myndzi 06:54:46 * myndzi thinks RatherUnnecessar talks to immibis 06:54:51 -!- jokido has joined. 06:54:52 when either nick is part of a larger word 06:55:03 ignoring the fact that i changed my name to RatherUnnecessar to try and test it 06:55:22 oh i see 06:55:29 sounds like a simple script 06:55:31 also it tracks nicks changes, but not perfectly 06:55:35 -!- immibis_ has joined. 06:55:43 what? 06:55:46 -!- immibis has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"). 06:55:46 tracks nick changes? 06:55:51 -!- immibis_ has changed nick to immibis. 06:55:56 yes 06:56:01 i dont follow 06:56:02 weird bugs 06:56:17 La la la la \o/ is fun; la la la la \o/ is fun. 06:56:17 | | 06:56:17 >\ /| 06:56:23 oh wow 06:56:27 that's a ridiculously useful script 06:56:33 \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \ 06:56:34 | | | | | | | | | | 06:56:34 |\ >\ /| /'\ /| /'\ /| /| |\ /| 06:56:40 haha hes got a cock :D 06:56:43 <3 06:56:48 -!- jokido has quit ("Leaving"). 06:56:54 And the probability that there is more to see is... I dunno. 06:57:18 0.09368 06:57:25 -!- CESSMASTER has joined. 06:57:31 plus or minus 06:57:40 \o\ 06:57:40 | 06:57:40 /< 06:57:43 what kind of an asylum is this place 06:57:50 Probabilities never have plus-or-minus. 06:57:52 /o\ 06:57:53 | 06:57:53 >\ 06:57:59 Hi, Joely Woely. 06:58:00 >o< 06:58:01 CESSMASTER: yes, that's about right :D 06:58:08 yeah, pretty much 06:58:10 >o\ 06:58:11 CESSMASTER, an uncommonly non-alphanumeric one, by the look of it. 06:58:13 | 06:58:13 >\ 06:58:22 LOL holy shit wtf is that 06:58:32 wait, what? 06:58:34 hes scratching his head 06:58:37 was that the script too? 06:58:43 yes 06:58:44 06:58:45 | 06:58:45 /'\ 06:58:49 06:58:49 | 06:58:50 >\ 06:58:54 Wow. 06:58:55 wtf is that 06:59:01 06:59:01 | 06:59:02 /´\ 06:59:05 Extended HTML tags 06:59:05 | | 06:59:06 /´\ /`\ 06:59:07 guy with both arms behind his head 06:59:09 hahaha 06:59:13 with sticks in his arms 06:59:13 *rrring rrring* ＿＿＿ 06:59:14 　 　.∧＿∧ 　||＼　　＼ 06:59:16 　　 (･ω･｀ ).　||　 |二二| 06:59:18 　　（　　つつ.　||／　　／ 06:59:18 ☃ 06:59:19 |二二二二二二二二二二| 06:59:21 　||￣￣￣￣||￣￣￣￣|| 06:59:22 ￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣ 06:59:25 * coppro needs to switch to a fixed-width fond 06:59:27 i see +o% 06:59:27 *font 06:59:29 ☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃ 06:59:40 your fixed width magic isnt working for me Gracenotes 06:59:44 I get the feeling CESSMASTER will fit right in 06:59:49 　　　　　∧＿∧　　*click* 06:59:51 　　　　　( ´･ω･)ｺ 06:59:52 　　　　　(　ｏロ.ノ　 　 ヱ 06:59:53 * immibis needs to get a client with utf-8 support... 06:59:54 　　　　　｀ｕ—ｕ'~~~~'〔◎〕 06:59:55 　　　　　""""""""""""""" 06:59:59 er 07:00:00 augur: odd. it was originally written for variable-width 07:00:03 sans serif 07:00:04 ªēīºū: as you can see, my compose key does not allow me to easily type a or o with macron. 07:00:06 yep, it's variable width 07:00:07 * immibis sees a bunch of a-tilde-things and euro signs 07:00:09 oh i see 07:00:11 * coppro uses serif 07:00:13 so it depends on what font you see it in 07:00:17 well im using fixed width. 07:00:17 laaame :( 07:00:37 augur: I'm using fixed width on IRC too and it looks fine for me 07:00:46 check your encoding 07:00:47 Gracenotes: odd 07:00:47 well your fixed width is lame. 07:00:51 ☃, for all you chumps without UTF-8, is the best unicode character ever 07:00:52 my encoding is fix 07:00:54 Fixed width is great for all kinds of computer-related stuff. Not good for books or that kind of thing, of course. 07:00:58 your client can't handle the UTF08 07:00:58 the snowman~ 07:01:00 Gracenotes: i don't think you're using fixed width. 07:01:01 　　　　　 ・・・・・・　　 |￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣| 07:01:03 　　　　　￣∨￣ 　 　| 　　Hello reddit ! 　　　| 07:01:04 .　　　　　∧＿∧　　∠ 　　　　　　　　　　 　　　　　　　| 07:01:05 my client can handle utf perfectly fine 07:01:06 　　　　　( ´･ω･)ｺ　　￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣ 07:01:08 　　　　　(　ｏロ.ノ　 　 ヱ 07:01:09 　　　　　｀ｕ—ｕ'~~~~'〔◎〕 07:01:11 　　　　　""""""""""""""" 07:01:12 I am using monospace 07:01:14 i see all your utf 07:01:16 lol 07:01:20 what im not seeing is hyour alignment 07:01:21 i see you guys have been having fun 07:01:24 monospace is like capslock without the loud 07:01:27 indeed \o/ 07:01:27 | 07:01:27 >\ 07:01:35 i have no idea what the weird nick-in-larger-string bug is about 07:01:39 too drunk to troubleshoot it right now 07:01:40 2ch-style graphics do not align perfectly 07:01:45 >\ 07:01:46 myndzi: welcome to Agora! 07:01:47 but they are close 07:01:52 Gracenotes: they do in original japanese. 07:01:55 also i don't play nomic or i wouldn't be so silly as to have such a script in such a channel ;) 07:01:58 yours, however, do not align at all. 07:02:05 you do now! 07:02:09 my alignment can beat up your alignment. 07:02:10 myndzi: you should make it draw an upside-down person when someone types >/ 07:02:11 theres something with japanese fonts 07:02:18 CESSMASTER: lol 07:02:19 i dont know what it is, but ive seen it happen 07:02:31 coppro: you can think so all you want, but i still won't participate 07:02:36 * myndzi shrugs 07:02:38 augur: take a screenshot and post it here 07:02:42 you may as well enroll a bot 07:02:48 yes, that was sort of the point 07:02:49 myndzi: and if someone types >\ you should add the head and the torso immediately before they say it 07:02:52 ok post something new so i can give you a whole screenshot 07:02:55 a first-class bot! 07:03:06 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 07:03:09 lament: that'd be a pretty l33t script 07:03:13 augur: don't you have scrollback? Are you using a terminal-based client? 07:03:16 lament: what if they type >\>\>\? 07:03:23 did you guys know about \m/ \m/ ? 07:03:23 `\o/´ 07:03:23 | 07:03:23 (_|¯´¯|_) 07:03:27 i do have scrollback but the previous ones were interrupted 07:03:29 I guess the characters will have to overlap. 07:03:38 good lord what is that myndzi 07:03:43 :D 07:03:46 Warrigal: no big deal. Doesn't unicode support quantum superposition? 07:03:55 -\m/-\m/-\m/-\m/-\m/-\m/-\m/-\m/-\m/-\m/-\m/-\m/-\m/-\m/-\m/-\m/- 07:03:58 whoops wtf 07:04:00 myndzi: you're officially the first person ever to tempt me to switch to monospace 07:04:10 -\m/ \m/--\m/ \m/--\m/ \m/--\m/ \m/--\m/ \m/--\m/ \m/--\m/ \m/--\m/ \m/--\m/ \m/- 07:04:11 `\o/´ `\o/´ `\o/´ `\o/´ `\o/´ `\o/´ `\o/´ `\o/´ `\o/´ 07:04:11 | | | | | | | | | 07:04:11 /´\ (_|¯'\ /`\ /`¯|_) /`\ (_|¯`¯|_) /`\ (_|¯´\ /`\ 07:04:12 (_| |_) |_) (_| |_) (_| (_| |_) (_| |_) |_) (_| |_) 07:04:19 \o/ \o/ \m/ \m/ \o/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \o/ \m/ \m/ 07:04:20 | | `\o/´ | `\o/´ | 07:04:20 /`\ /| | /| | /< 07:04:21 /`¯|_) /´\ 07:04:23 (_| (_| |_) 07:04:25 hehe 07:04:27 myndzi: that's the most beautiful thing ever. 07:04:28 the fuck 07:04:31 \m/\m/ 07:04:32 cool. 07:04:39 i think the loner \m/ threw it off 07:04:39 howsit work myndzi 07:04:42 you guys are crazy 07:04:46 \m/ 07:04:48 \m/ \m/\m/ \m/\o/\m/ \m/ 07:04:49 | `\o/´ 07:04:50 \o/\m/ 07:04:50 |\ | 07:04:50 (_|¯´¯|_) 07:04:50 nobody's ever found so many bugs in so little time 07:04:51 :P 07:04:59 wtf does \m/ do? 07:05:02 1) there has to be space to put him in 07:05:04 \o/\4/ 07:05:05 | 07:05:05 |\ 07:05:08 myndzi: with many bugs, all eyes are shallow 07:05:09 2) there has to be space to put him in 07:05:10 \o/\p/ 07:05:10 :) 07:05:11 | 07:05:11 /'\ 07:05:18 you need two \m/'s 07:05:19 one for each hand 07:05:20 \m/ doesn't do anything, but \m/ \m/ does this. 07:05:21 `\o/´ 07:05:21 | 07:05:21 /`\ 07:05:22 (_| |_) 07:05:23 \o/\m/\m/ 07:05:23 * Gracenotes thinks augur's client sucks 07:05:24 with a space between them 07:05:30 \o/\m/ \m/ 07:05:30 | `\o/´ 07:05:30 /'\ | 07:05:30 (_|¯'\ 07:05:32 |_) 07:05:36 also his foot often extends one character to the left 07:05:42 \o/ \m/ \m/ 07:05:42 \m/ \m/ 07:05:50 Does it ever extend one character to the right? 07:05:50 Gracenotes: i think your 2ch images suck and wont admit it 07:05:50 \o/\m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ 07:05:51 | `\o/´ 07:05:51 /| | 07:05:51 /´\ 07:05:51 (_| |_) 07:05:56 so you can't do it if your nick is the same length as mine and there's nothing in front, etc. 07:05:56 \o/\m/ \m/ \m/ 07:06:01 Warrigal: yes, same frequency 07:06:06 \o/\m/ \m/ 07:06:06 | `\o/´ 07:06:07 /| | 07:06:07 /'¯|_) 07:06:07 (_| 07:06:18 augur: pssh. gb2gaia 07:06:20 * immibis is trying to figure out what \m/ is supposed to show 07:06:20 i actually never knew i could do \o/\m/ \m/ lol 07:06:21 | `\o/´ 07:06:21 /´\ | 07:06:21 /'\ 07:06:21 (_| |_) 07:06:35 without a space between the little guy and the big guy 07:06:40 I think an \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ is in order. 07:06:43 what does \m/ do 07:06:47 nothing 07:06:49 you need two of them 07:06:57 yeah but what do they do 07:07:00 also it's length-limited to prevent excess fglood 07:07:02 \o/\m/ \m/ 07:07:02 flood* 07:07:02 | `\o/´ 07:07:03 |\ | 07:07:03 (_|¯'¯|_) 07:07:06 \o/\m/ \m/ \o/\m/ \m/ 07:07:12 \o/\m/ \m/ \o/\m/ \m/ 07:07:13 | `\o/´ | `\o/´ 07:07:13 /´\ | /`\ | 07:07:13 /'\ (_|¯'\ 07:07:13 (_| |_) |_) 07:07:13 immibis: it's the horns man! 07:07:15 immibis: it's a fist surrounded by a pinky and thumb, isn't it? 07:07:17 Or a cone. 07:07:18 \o/\m/ \m/ \o/\m/ \m/ \o/\m/ \m/ \o/\m/ \m/ \o/\m/ \m/ \o/\m/ \m/ 07:07:23 \o/\m/ \m/ \o/\m/ \m/ \o/\m/ \m/ \o/\m/ \m/ 07:07:25 * immibis \o/\m/ \m/ \o/\m/ \m/ \o/\m/ \m/ \o/\m/ \m/ 07:07:30 * immibis \o/\m/ \m/ 07:07:31 universal sign of METAL! 07:07:36 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_horns 07:07:39 or cuckoldry 07:07:41 take your pick 07:08:11 yes i really need to find a client with utf-8 07:08:25 also 07:08:34 the rocker is sorta inspired by this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkw4jhDE1eQ 07:08:37 the stomping boots, mostly 07:08:58 -!- olsner has joined. 07:09:23 er, to backtrack a bit, < augur> howsit work myndzi 07:09:40 it just calculates the length difference between the person's nick and mine and spaces things accordingly 07:09:49 myndzi: what? 07:09:52 doesn't work with all clients/themes but there's little i can do about that 07:10:01 augur: your nick is 1 letter shorter than mine 07:10:01 i mean the \o/ think 07:10:01 | 07:10:01 /| 07:10:07 so 07:10:17 i take the number of characters before \o/ 07:10:18 | 07:10:18 /| 07:10:23 and subtract 1 07:10:24 -!- immibis has changed nick to myndiz. 07:10:26 \o/ 07:10:26 | 07:10:26 /'\ 07:10:29 and insert that many spaces 07:10:33 perfectly lined up! 07:10:35 hehe 07:10:36 -!- myndiz has changed nick to immibis. 07:10:44 right, but what about for the ones that fit \m/ \m/ 07:10:48 ?? 07:10:49 same thing 07:10:52 how? 07:10:57 ... 07:11:01 it seems to fit the little guys around one another! 07:11:03 all i need to do is put it "under" those characters 07:11:12 hm 07:11:16 if you look they are strictly delimited in columns 07:11:22 i don't bother with anything more complicated than that 07:11:32 the little guy is 3 chars wide 07:11:43 and only the boots of the big guy are ever more than 3 chars wide 07:11:48 and his boots are lower than the little guy 07:11:51 so there's no conflict 07:11:54 ok 07:12:37 !sh echo "\o/" 07:12:37 | 07:12:38 \o/ 07:12:38 /| 07:12:38 | 07:12:39 /< 07:12:43 lol. 07:12:52 !sh echo "\o/\m/ \m/" 07:12:52 | `\o/´ 07:12:52 >\ | 07:12:52 /`\ 07:12:52 (_| |_) 07:12:53 \o/\m/ \m/ 07:13:12 !sh echo " \o/\m/ \m/" 07:13:13 | `\o/´ 07:13:13 /| | 07:13:13 /´¯|_) 07:13:13 (_| 07:13:13 \o/\m/ \m/ 07:13:14 must be flood protection 07:13:21 there's more strict flood protection on the big guy 07:13:22 !sh echo "a \o/\m/ \m/" 07:13:23 | `\o/´ 07:13:23 |\ | 07:13:23 /´\ 07:13:23 a \o/\m/ \m/ 07:13:24 (_| |_) 07:13:26 because he is more lines 07:13:40 !sh echo; echo NICK EgoBot2 07:13:49 it's not that 07:13:58 aw it didn't work 07:13:59 \o/\m/ \m/ 07:13:59 | `\o/´ 07:13:59 |\ | 07:14:00 (_|¯'¯|_) 07:14:02 works fine as you see 07:14:09 it's just two in a row quickly that it's blocking 07:14:24 ok 07:14:28 07:14:30 07:14:32 the flood protection is calculated to be approximately in range of normal irc throttling 07:14:34 \o/\o/ 07:14:34 | | 07:14:34 |\/`\ 07:14:44 \o/\o/\o/ 07:14:44 | | | 07:14:44 |\/< /< 07:14:52 \o/\o/\o/\o/ 07:14:53 | | | | 07:14:53 /`\/| /'\/< 07:14:54 | | 07:14:54 /´\ /| 07:14:56 duel! 07:15:08 myndzi: anyway hwere can i find rules for normal irc throttling 07:15:10 where* 07:15:15 rfc 1459 07:15:20 or i could just tell you 07:15:31 / $ 07:15:31 /_,--, o`. -._ o . 07:15:31 ,/_o___| \ } |_,-="|" 07:15:31 ===H'=== : ; |=C D| 07:15:32 | 07:15:32 >\ 07:15:32 | T| | || ^ `" A Na 07:15:38 ;unrealircd lag 07:15:38 ;secs += 1 + int(len(PRIVMSG target :message) / 90) 07:15:38 ;bahamut lag 07:15:38 ;secs += 2 + int(len(PRIVMSG target :message) / 120) 07:15:39 oops 07:16:00 also bahamut adds like 2 seconds for messages with > 10 targets i think 07:16:02 i forget that part 07:16:03 ^ul ( )(\m)(/ )*:*( )*::***S 07:16:04 \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ 07:16:04 `\o/´ `\o/´ `\o/´ 07:16:04 | | | 07:16:04 /'\ (_|¯´\ /´\ 07:16:04 (_| |_) |_) (_| |_) 07:16:21 i don't know why unreal changed the formula, i don't like it much 07:17:08 theirs allows like 10 lines of spam 07:17:17 [18:16] /tmp/input.16388: line 1: 16397 Exit 146 ps 07:17:17 [18:16] 16398 Killed | ( while true; do 07:17:17 [18:16] { read hi; echo -n $hi; }; 07:17:26 i sent that command LAST WEEK 07:17:34 the $hi one 07:17:45 well might have been on the weekend 07:19:10 myndzi: thanks, but can't find specification about throttling in rfc 1495 07:19:37 what could be a keyword 07:19:55 There is no throttling in the spec 07:20:21 it's in the appendix 07:20:22 somewhere 07:20:44 I think the most it says is "servers may kill spammy clients, so they are encouraged to use some sort of throttling so this doesn't happen" 07:20:59 i'd read the doc multiple times and didn't realize it was there either 07:21:10 -!- kar8nga has joined. 07:21:11 8.10 Flood control of clients 07:21:18 The current algorithm is as follows: 07:21:18 * check to see if client's `message timer' is less than 07:21:18 current time (set to be equal if it is); 07:21:18 * read any data present from the client; 07:21:19 * while the timer is less than ten seconds ahead of the current 07:21:21 time, parse any present messages and penalize the client by 07:21:24 2 seconds for each message; 07:21:27 which in essence means that the client may send 1 message every 2 07:21:30 seconds without being adversely affected. 07:21:39 bahamut adds to this an extra penalty for longer messages 07:21:46 and, later, a penalty for many targets 07:22:33 who the hell uses bahamut 07:23:46 lots of people use unreal, which is derivative of bahamut 07:23:59 i don't know how many people use bahamut, but it's pretty decent on its own 07:24:02 i sure as hell don't like unreal 07:24:23 i thought unreal was a derivative of uh 07:24:28 whatsitcalled 07:24:33 dreamforge 07:24:46 i think dreamforge is bahamut 07:25:06 used to go on a network that used anope and unreal 07:25:06 Bahamut is an Internet Relay Chat Daemon (IRCd) designed for DALnet, one of the major IRC networks in the world. You may be familiar with DreamForge, the previous DALnet IRCd. 07:25:08 * myndzi shrugs 07:25:09 what a shitpile 07:26:00 The Bahamut IRCD is based on the EFNet Hybrid IRCD and has many additional features primarily designed for the DALnet IRC network. Its features include very high performance, compatibility with Solaris, BSD and Linux and a high level of stability under very high load, as well as many improvements over the original EFNet code. Bahamut is not compatible with Dreamforge as of version 1.2.0. 07:31:07 "very high performance" 07:31:17 what project doesn't say that they are high performance 07:35:26 -!- FireFly has joined. 07:36:59 !google "damn big linux" 07:37:00 http://google.com/search?q="damn+big+linux" 07:37:04 ... 07:37:11 how is that supposed to be helpful exactly? 07:37:14 !cat 07:37:17 !cat test 07:37:31 !cat http://google.com/search?q="damn+big+linux" 07:43:15 so i really wanna experiment with a language that works by overt composition of abstract syntax rather than composed concrete syntax 07:43:24 anyone have any comments or something? 07:43:38 like, what might be interesting to explore? 07:43:58 immibis: clever :D 07:44:05 !cat http://google.com/search?q="damn+big+linux" 07:44:18 hm... 07:44:24 !show cat 07:44:25 That is not a user interpreter! 07:44:36 well if it had existed, it would be clever 07:44:53 !userinterps 07:44:54 Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney dc drawl dubya echo ehird fudd google graph gregor hello jethro kraut num ook pansy pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck rot13 sadbf slashes swedish valspeak warez yodawg 07:45:05 !show echo 07:45:06 bf ,[.,] 07:45:12 guessnot :( 07:45:27 !echo http://google.com/search?q="damn+big+linux" 07:45:38 huh 07:45:42 !echo test 07:45:43 test 07:45:55 that _should_ have worked :( 07:47:06 !echo http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/ 07:47:09 07:47:20 lol!? 07:47:43 ok so it's not EgoBot's fault the google url doesn't show up 07:48:05 !echo http:// 07:48:19 immibis: the rest is sent as DCC CHAT 07:48:51 !echo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgoBot 07:48:59 !echo ht 07:49:00 ht 07:49:02 !echo htt 07:49:04 htt 07:49:05 !echo http 07:49:06 http 07:49:07 !echo http:/ 07:49:07 http:/ 07:49:08 !echo http: 07:49:09 !echo http:// 07:49:09 http: 07:49:15 hm! 07:49:21 !echo http:// 07:49:22 !echo ftp:// 07:49:23 ftp:// 07:49:27 lmfao 07:49:28 :D 07:49:31 !echo https:// 07:49:32 https:// 07:49:38 maybe it doesn't work on sites that expect an advanced browser client 07:49:52 what? 07:50:07 * oerjan swats augur -----### 07:50:11 ow what 07:50:15 the URL loading 07:50:23 what url loading 07:50:37 google, and wikipedia, in EgoBot 07:50:46 !echo http://localhost/ 07:50:47 oh i see 07:51:01 it loads urls 07:51:07 wth it gave me this in dcc chat: 07:51:08 [18:50] ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: /tmp/compiled.2685: No such file or directory 07:51:24 as opposed to just echoing the url 07:51:36 !c int i; while(i++) new char[i]; 07:51:37 Does not compile. 07:51:51 !cxx int i; while(i++) new char[i]; 07:52:07 !sh cat /proc/MemInfo | grep MemFree 07:52:07 /bin/cat: /proc/MemInfo: No such file or directory 07:52:11 !sh cat /proc/meminfo | grep MemFree 07:52:12 MemFree: 147348 kB 07:52:18 why did i put capitals... 07:52:33 why did i put capitals... 07:52:34 !sh cat /proc/meminfo | grep MemFree 07:52:35 MemFree: 145220 kB 07:52:40 !echo http:/ 07:52:41 http:/ 07:53:00 !echo http://normish.org/ 07:53:01 07:53:06 Correct! 07:53:13 !echo http://normish.org/root/dev/urandom 07:53:30 !echo http://normish.org/ihope/dodadodidi/arson.txt 07:53:31 David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, 07:53:37 :-D 07:55:59 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 07:56:36 !echo http://localhost/ 07:56:36 !echo http://normish.org/ihope/dodadodidi/breakin.txt 07:56:52 It was a simple operation: David would open the door quietly, sneak 07:57:11 warrigal you are ihope 07:57:19 why is your nick warrigal? 07:57:35 The better question, in my opinion, is why that symbolic link is called ihope. 07:57:55 symbolic link? 07:58:10 !echo http://normish.org/Warrigal/dodadodidi/arson.txt 07:58:44 !echo http://normish.org/Warrigal/dodadodidi/arson.txt 07:58:45 David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, 07:58:49 There we go. 07:59:14 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 07:59:44 -!- Warrigal has set topic: David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:00:30 how can i get a normish account? 08:01:02 @warrigal/ihope 08:01:21 By asking for one. 08:01:23 Do you want one? 08:02:10 yes 08:02:35 are you by any chance in charge of it since the links on the homepage seem to link to /ihope/... 08:03:22 I don't see any links on the homepage that link to /ihope/.... 08:04:01 Anyway, you now have an account, username immibis, password immibis. 08:04:05 I suggest that you change your password. 08:04:09 nvm, i thought i saw one 08:04:11 how do i connect? 08:04:15 ssh to it. 08:04:37 ok 08:08:34 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 08:08:37 Warrigal - script error: /usr/bin/nomic/rtbls/activate_me line 18. KeyError: 'immibis' 08:08:51 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 08:10:10 how can i see the contents of a proposal? 08:11:06 immibis: that KeyError should be gone. 08:11:18 LOOK proposer proposalname should do it. 08:11:24 ok 08:12:15 You know, having the ability to give away shell accounts is pretty cool. 08:12:53 * Warrigal counts the directories in /home and figures we have about 20 users. 08:13:33 * immibis looks in /etc/passwd and figures you have exactly 20 users 08:14:17 How did you do that? 08:14:23 cat /etc/passwd 08:14:30 but the actual passwords are in /etc/shadow 08:14:33 and encrypted 08:14:37 and only accessible to root 08:14:46 these days /etc/passwd only has user information 08:14:49 How did you figure that from /etc/passwd, I mean. 08:14:56 !echo http://normish.org/root/dev 08:14:57 08:15:10 well the actual users start at id 1001 and go to 1020 08:15:37 Cool. 08:15:46 although ls /home | wc -l gets 21 08:15:49 so idk 08:15:57 someone's got a weird user id 08:16:00 /home/pennmush is not an actual user's home directory. 08:16:03 ok 08:16:05 so it is 20 08:16:17 !echo http://normish.org/ihope/fun.php?Link1=ls 08:16:59 !echo http://normish.org/ihope/fun.php?Link1=http://en.wikipedia.org/ 08:17:01 08:17:20 !echo http://normish.org/ihope/fun.php?Link1=http://freefall.purrsia.com/ 08:17:21 08:17:26 Woot. 08:17:31 !echo !echo 08:17:32 !echo 08:17:44 !help userinterps 08:17:44 userinterps: Users can add interpreters written in any of the languages in !help languages. See !help addinterp, delinterp, show | !userinterps. List interpreters added with !addinterp. 08:17:48 !show 08:17:49 That is not a user interpreter! 08:17:54 !userinterps 08:17:55 Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney dc drawl dubya echo ehird fudd google graph gregor hello jethro kraut num ook pansy pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck rot13 sadbf slashes swedish valspeak warez yodawg 08:18:03 !help addinterp 08:18:04 addinterp: !addinterp . Add a new interpreter to EgoBot. This interpreter will be run once every time you type ! , and receive the program code as input. 08:18:10 !show echo 08:18:10 bf ,[.,] 08:18:16 !addinterp ctcp bf +.,[.,]+. 08:18:17 Interpreter ctcp installed. 08:18:24 !ctcp ACTION says hi 08:18:25 ACTION says hi 08:18:28 !help languages 08:18:28 languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. 08:18:45 why do my ctcp command attempts always fail? 08:18:56 !ctcp ACTION says hi to myndzi. 08:18:56 That one succeeded, didn't it? 08:18:56 ACTION says hi to myndzi. 08:18:57 * myndzi says hi to EgoBot. 08:19:09 immibis: um when did it fail? 08:19:11 it's ignoring the last character, at least here. 08:19:21 03:18 < immibis> !ctcp ACTION says hi 08:19:21 03:18 * EgoBot says hi 08:19:22 myndzi's script isn't though 08:19:23 [19:18] * EgoBot says hi to myndzi 08:19:29 [19:18] * myndzi says hi to EgoBot. 08:19:35 notice the . 08:19:55 i saw a . both places 08:20:08 ok then 08:20:27 anyway one issue may be that your final \1 is probably after the final newline 08:20:34 ok 08:20:40 !delinterp ctcp 08:20:41 Interpreter ctcp deleted. 08:20:44 so it is likely to be left out 08:20:56 or maybe sent as DCC 08:20:56 !addinterp ctcp bf +.,----------[++++++++++.,----------]+. 08:20:57 Interpreter ctcp installed. 08:21:01 !ctcp ACTION hello 08:21:02 * EgoBot hello 08:21:07 ok now it works 08:21:18 !daemon 08:21:26 does it still have daemons 08:21:35 !daemon echo bf ,[.,] 08:21:50 no... 08:22:42 * Warrigal notices that he's receiving DCC CHAT requests. 08:22:48 ...? 08:22:58 probably with the final . 08:23:05 i mean the final \1 08:23:15 !help daemon 08:23:16 daemon: !daemon . Add a daemon to EgoBot. A daemon will run in the background, and accept a line of input every time ! is run. Note that daemons are only allotted one line of output for each line of input. 08:23:40 !addinterp stuff bf +.++++++++++.++++++++++++++++++++.-------------------- 08:23:40 Interpreter stuff installed. 08:23:42 !stuff 08:23:43 08:24:03 carriage return? o_O 08:24:19 um no 08:24:21 !addinterp stuff bf >+++++<++++++++++>[<.++++++++++++++++++++.-------------------->] 08:24:22 There is already an interpreter for stuff! 08:24:26 !delinterp stuff 08:24:26 Interpreter stuff deleted. 08:24:28 !addinterp stuff bf >+++++<++++++++++>[<.++++++++++++++++++++.-------------------->] 08:24:29 Interpreter stuff installed. 08:24:31 !stuff 08:24:45 !daemon 08:24:52 !daemons 08:24:55 !ps 08:25:05 that just dcc-chat-spammed me with maybe fifty empty lines 08:25:08 !delinterp stuff 08:25:09 Interpreter stuff deleted. 08:25:15 !stuff i mean 08:25:27 !daemon echo_channel bf ,[.,] 08:25:41 !help daemons 08:25:42 daemons: !daemons. List running daemons. 08:25:45 !daemons 08:25:46 !echo_channel KABOOM! 08:25:48 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 08:25:50 wtf? 08:25:53 KABOOM? 08:25:53 hmph 08:25:57 !daemons 08:26:16 -> 08:27:44 !addinterp reverse bf ,[>,]<[.[-]<] 08:27:45 Interpreter reverse installed. 08:27:47 !reverse hello 08:28:01 !delinterp reverse 08:28:01 Interpreter reverse deleted. 08:28:17 !addinterp reverse bf ,----------[++++++++++>,----------]<[.[-]<] 08:28:18 Interpreter reverse installed. 08:28:20 !reverse hello 08:28:21 olleh 08:33:11 ^rev hello 08:33:11 olleh 08:33:35 !bf_txtgen ^rev 08:33:40 72 ++++++++++[>+++++++++>+++++++++++>+>+<<<<-]>++++.>++++.<+++++++.>++++.>. [248] 08:34:03 ^show rev 08:34:04 >,[>,]<[.<] 08:35:42 From "!bf_txtgen ^rev" the first thought that came to my mind was MS-Office's Clippy saying "You appear to be writing a botloop. Would you like some help with that?" 08:35:50 Incidentally, fungot's ignoring EgoBot anyway. 08:35:50 fizzie: oh these are the 133 people survived out of anyone else? o.o hes good if he were going to be a tomboy and she never will. if you would get and i 08:36:11 ? 08:36:14 ^hlep 08:36:16 &help 08:36:18 ... 08:36:19 ^help 08:36:20 ^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool 08:36:32 ^bool 08:36:33 Yes. 08:36:36 ^bool 08:36:37 No. 08:36:37 ^bool 08:36:38 Yes. 08:36:40 ... 08:36:44 ^style 08:36:45 Available: agora alice c64 darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube* 08:36:49 I think it was oklopol who wanted a coin-flipper. 08:36:58 ^style nethack 08:36:58 Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal) 08:37:01 ^str 08:37:08 fungot, what is 2+2? 08:37:08 immibis: all monsters are created evil, thieves' guilds, syndicates and similar organisations. this feline predator ( _panthera onca_) is the power of wading through the depths of the dead, air and wind, odin rides through the air. according to zarathustra, is described in snorri's _edda_ as being " pleasing and handsome in appearance, they fly from us. we've got brains. we are fools" ( aesop's fables) 08:37:21 ^style irc 08:37:22 Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) 08:37:26 fungot, now what is 2+2? 08:37:27 immibis: ein volk ein fnord ein führer...) 08:37:31 ????? 08:37:40 fungot, i have no idea what you just said 08:37:41 immibis: hm. i think.) 08:37:53 fungot, you don't think, therefore you aren't. 08:37:54 immibis: i saw a ghost in the shell 08:38:13 why does apt-get --help say "This APT has Super Cow Powers"? 08:38:34 It means you can do "apt-get moo". 08:38:41 To get an ASCII cow. 08:38:42 lol 08:38:47 wtf 08:38:59 fungot, have you mooed today? 08:39:06 fungot, have you mooed today? 08:39:38 Oh, the chat-function also answers up to 4 successive comments from any one person. 08:40:04 Anyway, with aptitude you can do: 08:40:05 htkallas@pc112:~$ aptitude moo 08:40:05 There are no Easter Eggs in this program. 08:40:05 htkallas@pc112:~$ aptitude -v moo 08:40:06 There really are no Easter Eggs in this program. 08:40:06 htkallas@pc112:~$ aptitude -v -v moo 08:40:08 Didn't I already tell you that there are no Easter Eggs in this program? 08:40:08 And so on. 08:40:17 -!- immibis_ has joined. 08:40:27 netcat 08:40:32 Time to go find some lurch. 08:40:36 is a stupid way to use irc. 08:40:38 -!- immibis_ has quit (Remote closed the connection). 08:41:04 immibis: so use irssi. 08:42:52 for some reason, in bash i can "exec 5<><(cat xyz)" then "echo hi >&5". "cat <&5" will then display "hi" without altering the file "xyz". 08:43:09 <>< cat 08:43:10 teehee 08:43:14 the cat is after the fish oh noes 08:43:17 x3 08:43:20 lol 08:47:06 http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/758.html 08:48:02 -!- oerjan has quit ("Later"). 09:00:06 -!- ais523 has joined. 09:00:07 -!- immibis_ has joined. 09:00:07 Hello. 09:00:10 -!- immibis_ has quit (Remote closed the connection). 09:00:24 immibis_: that was sudden... 09:11:53 -!- BeholdMyGlory_ has joined. 09:12:55 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Nick collision from services.). 09:13:00 -!- BeholdMyGlory_ has changed nick to BeholdMyGlory. 09:20:32 -!- tetha has quit (Nick collision from services.). 09:20:41 -!- tetha has joined. 09:39:00 -!- Judofyr has joined. 10:04:01 -!- upyr[emacs] has joined. 10:38:00 -!- Bthis has joined. 10:38:41 -!- Bthis has left (?). 10:44:34 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 10:56:17 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 11:02:02 -!- Corun has joined. 11:04:46 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("YES -> thor-ainor.it <- THIS IS *DELICIOUS*!"). 11:20:36 -!- Slereah has quit. 11:20:52 -!- Slereah has joined. 11:21:45 -!- Corun has quit (Connection timed out). 12:04:00 -!- Hiato has joined. 12:05:06 -!- ais523 has joined. 13:05:25 -!- pikhq has joined. 13:11:31 -!- upyr[emacs] has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:12:02 -!- upyr[emacs] has joined. 13:23:17 -!- Corun has joined. 13:32:33 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 13:32:55 -!- Corun has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:33:57 -!- Corun has joined. 13:37:49 -!- pikhq has joined. 13:38:39 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 13:40:43 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:42:54 -!- pikhq has joined. 13:56:01 -!- Hiato has quit ("Leaving"). 14:03:51 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 14:16:00 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:25:04 -!- Judofyr has quit ("raise Hand, 'wave'"). 14:29:02 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"). 14:29:41 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 14:46:59 -!- Wooble has joined. 14:48:03 -!- iEhird has joined. 14:48:39 opera freedom is web server in a browser. I guessed! 14:48:45 -!- iEhird has quit (Remote closed the connection). 14:49:11 random drive-by ehird 14:50:16 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"). 14:58:24 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 15:00:10 -!- Sgeo has joined. 15:08:10 -!- whtspc has joined. 15:37:16 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 15:44:18 -!- pikhq has joined. 15:55:06 Connection via satellite in a storm -- great, isn't it? 16:01:26 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 16:02:06 Oerjan wrote an interpreter for ferNANDo, now I'm not familiar with Haskell 16:02:11 I downloaded winhugs 16:02:33 I can use the interpreter by writing :main 16:02:49 -!- GregorR-L has set topic: David slowed his pace slightly as his ears EXPLODED | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 16:03:47 can someone tell what's the command to load an external ferNANDo program in the IDE 16:05:02 -!- GregorR-L has set topic: David slowed his pace slightly as his ears EXPLODED. "Ouch," he sputtered. He quickly regained his running stride as the pirate alligator bear mutants waddled after him. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 16:11:27 -!- kar8nga has joined. 16:19:16 -!- tombom has joined. 16:20:57 pikhq, I thought you had dialup? 16:21:08 AnMaster: Not any more. 16:21:20 Satellite Internet now. 16:24:12 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 16:24:38 I shall now cause the universe to collapse. 16:24:39 *ahem* 16:24:51 All your badgers are belong on a boat, motherfucker! 16:27:37 Nothing? Nothing? :( 16:43:16 pikhq, ah 16:46:26 -!- inurinternet has quit (Connection timed out). 16:57:37 -!- inurinternet has joined. 17:14:01 so i herd u liek all your badgers badgers badgers are belong on a boat, motherfucker! 17:18:14 GregorR, is the "belong on a boat" bit a meme? 17:18:52 I can see at least 3 other memes there 17:18:58 possibly 4 17:20:15 I still don't see where the "boat" bit comes into it 17:20:56 -!- whtspc has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]"). 17:21:24 s/boat/plane/ 17:27:36 -!- oerjan has joined. 17:27:56 * GregorR-L reappears. 17:28:00 No, not s/boat/plane/ 17:28:02 I'm on a boat, bitch. 17:28:08 Warrigal: is the topic accurate? 17:28:16 * pikhq beats GregorR-L 17:28:44 I'm tired of these motherfucking Gregors on that motherfucking boat! 17:29:10 THIS - IS - a different meme. 17:29:18 :) 17:29:35 (/me couldn't find a way to sparta that up) 17:29:49 can someone tell what's the command to load an external ferNANDo program in the IDE 17:29:59 hm, i didn't put in an option for that 17:30:26 so i herd u liek all your motherfuckin' badgers badgers badgers are belong on a motherfuckin' boat, bitch! 17:32:46 It was a dark and stormy night, and the foul stench of clichés hung in the air. 17:37:52 also, WinHugs is horrible with setting the directory :( 17:38:13 "Danny, the little Grizzly cub, frolicked in the tall grass on this sunny Spring morning, his mother keeping a watchful eye as she chewed on a piece of a hiker they had encountered the day before." 17:39:33 * oerjan fixes that in his own setup 17:51:51 The small boat pitched violently upon the heaving bosom of the ocean, causing Johnson to reflect that, although he generally liked bosoms, he was getting really tired of the ocean's bosom, and wished that it would at least drop from a 44D to a 34B. 18:01:24 -!- Wooble has left (?). 18:03:23 -!- M0ny has joined. 18:04:45 * oerjan assumes those numbers are feet rather than inches, or perhaps meters 18:06:08 so i herd u liek all your motherfuckin' badgers badgers badgers are belong on a motherfuckin' boat, bitch! // help me sparta this up :P 18:07:03 THIS. IS. BADGERS. 18:07:21 Yeah, but that doesn't fit :P 18:08:53 so i herd u liek all your motherfuckin' badgers badgers badgers are belong on a motherfuckin' boat, 'cuz THIS! IS! CHOCOLATE! RAIN! ORLY? 18:09:20 * GregorR-L KICKED IT UP A NOTCH 18:09:25 Now karmeldansen. 18:09:31 pikhq: IMPOSSIBLE 18:09:47 so i herd ur never gonna give up all your motherfuckin' badgers badgers badgers are belong on a motherfuckin' boat, 'cuz THIS! IS! CHOCOLATE! RAIN! ORLY? 18:09:52 ̂_ ̂ 18:16:14 what the heck is karmeldansen 18:18:19 The word "'cuz" there doesn't belong to a meme, but I can't fix it. 18:18:36 !swedish so i herd ur never gonna give up all your motherfuckin' badgers badgers badgers are belong on a motherfuckin' boat, 'cuz THIS! IS! CHOCOLATE! RAIN! ORLY? 18:18:37 su i herd ur nefer gunna geefe-a up ell yuoor muzeerffoockeen' bedgers bedgers bedgers ere-a belung oon a muzeerffoockeen' buet, 'cooz THIS! IS! CHOCOLETE! REIN! OoRLY? Bork Bork Bork! 18:18:53 muzeerffoockeen' bedgers! 18:24:24 a "swedish" translation that turns a into e rather than the other way around is just _so_ wrong 18:29:30 Whereas otherwise it is of course quite accurate :P 18:53:51 -!- kar8nga has joined. 19:11:04 -!- inurinternet has quit (Success). 19:14:49 \o/ 19:14:49 | 19:14:49 /`\ 19:15:02 _ _ 19:15:03 i'm going to china next week! 19:15:05 doh 19:15:12 :O 19:15:21 myndzi: You really ought to make those figures more child-appropriate. 19:15:36 yeah that's a little disturbing 19:15:37 contrary to popular belief, it's not a penis! 19:15:52 it's uh... the end of his belt. hanging down. 19:15:54 yeah. 19:16:04 nescience: know orion, the constellation? 19:16:47 yes 19:16:50 it has an extremely penisy-looking thing, always referred to as "orion's sword" 19:17:14 wait, you were not referring to the belt? 19:17:16 "sword" indeed 19:17:27 shortsword, made for stabbing 19:17:37 http://www.randi.org/site/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/James_Randi_Doll_4925f227c76a1.jpg 19:17:43 tetha: It's not the size that matters. 19:17:46 any female consatellations in the area with a handy "sheath"? :) 19:17:59 yeah, orion was a mighty hunter *wink* *wink* 19:18:06 GregorR-L: in the case of a sword, it does, because longswords are made for slashing and shortswords are made for stabbing :) 19:18:37 and halberds are made for EVERYTHING! 19:18:39 :> 19:19:09 poke it stab it hook it slash it .... i can't be assed to come up with a bunch more 19:19:09 :P 19:19:23 that sounds almost like a line from vaikarauta 19:20:12 there is no such thing as vaikarauta 19:20:14 (song by korpiklaani, its about a mighty sword and quite a large part is about stabbing, slashing and murdering things) 19:20:24 (google tells me so) 19:21:12 whoops, it indeed is V\"aikirauta :) 19:22:25 you'd think google would have suggested a correction, but no 19:23:13 i suppose since that still has only 8 hits... 19:23:17 hm, it did not for you? that is scary, so google inferred by my youtube-usage that I might mean that thing which occurs in the title of a video I watched some time ago 19:23:28 tetha: nice 19:23:42 i have korpiklaani somewhere on my mp3 player but i don't think it's got that song.. unsure 19:24:16 google has some great stuff, but just the other day i tried to find kayin's heboris video by searching "kayin heboris" 19:24:20 alternatively, google inferred from _my_ usage that i couldn't possibly be interested in black metal or whatever it is 19:24:21 (without quotes) 19:24:24 and it didn't find it 19:24:35 lol. 19:24:48 I think they call it 'humpa metal', as in 'old people music with electric guitars' 19:24:50 google inferred from _my_ usage that i didn't mean captain picard oshi~ 19:25:16 that is an intense tilde~ 19:25:21 tildetildetilde~~~! 19:25:27 o/~ 19:25:36 that is a flag-~ 19:25:57 those are sperm cells, actually 19:26:07 tilde wants to be hardcore but nescience won't let him~ 19:27:16 oerjan: now combine that with ~ being your home directory 19:28:02 ~/.wine/drive_c/Program \Files/virus.exe 19:46:24 -!- tombom has quit ("Peace and Protection 4.22.2"). 20:18:42 GregorR: let me create a f'in algorhythm anonymously 20:18:44 :| 20:19:11 the algobeat 20:20:53 -!- immibis has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 20:21:04 10:16:14 what the heck is karmeldansen 20:21:08 ye olde 4chan meme. 20:21:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX6e7sO1ss0 20:22:19 00:37:27 immibis: ein volk ein fnord ein führer...) 20:22:20 ehird: but -1 is a whole site. i have to 20:22:20 LOL 20:22:43 -!- ehird has set topic: Ein Volk, Ein Fnord, Ein Führer | Ein Brainfuck, Ein INTERCAL, Ein Unlambda | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 20:23:13 ehird, One Befunge! 20:23:20 AnMaster: not a unique paradigm. 20:23:39 ehird, are the other one really unique. There are lots of variations of all of them I think? 20:23:42 Brainfuck/INTERCAL/Unlambda; Befunge slots into the Brainfuck slot (i.e. imperative) 20:23:46 AnMaster: They're the canonical ones. 20:24:08 * oerjan looks up what fnord was originally 20:24:13 ehird, what is canonical could be debated. 20:24:19 ah reich 20:24:19 but I'm too busy 20:24:20 oerjan: reich 20:24:44 AnMaster: Anyone denying that Brainfuck, INTERCAL and Unlambda are the most prominent and canonical imperative, parody and functional esolangs is on crack 20:24:45 hitler really knew his memes 20:25:21 ehird, in those specific categories it is true 20:25:35 AnMaster: And those are the most common categories of esolang. 20:25:38 but you could argue if those categories are the right ones 20:25:47 AnMaster: How many 2D langs are there? 20:25:49 How many CAs? 20:25:53 Barely any compared to those 3 categories. 20:25:59 You're just being contrary for the sake of it. 20:26:01 ehird, imperative, functional, automatons, rewriting, parody, other 20:26:05 are the ones I can think of atm 20:26:18 There are not many rewriting languages, and they are usually functional-esque. 20:26:24 ehird, hm ok 20:26:32 There are not many automatons, and they're usually functional-esque, too, but they're still rare. 20:26:44 "other" is a silly category. Of course not everything can be categorized. 20:26:45 ehird, what about Thue? 20:26:49 INTERCAL is also imperative. 20:26:51 And what about Slashes 20:26:54 oerjan, so it is 20:27:02 oerjan: yes, but there's two common subtypes of imperative esolang 20:27:12 HQX+ and similar goes into parody however 20:27:12 INTERCAL is more about the parody, Brainfuck is more about the tarpit 20:27:19 I guess 20:27:25 HQ9+, you mean. 20:27:28 yeah 20:27:29 indeed brainfuck is the tarpit there 20:27:38 what? 20:27:42 brainfuck is bloated 20:27:48 AnMaster: No it's not. 20:27:53 neither INTERCAL nor unlambda are quite minimalistic, INTERCAL less so 20:27:55 Before you say anything, no, it's not. 20:27:58 ehird, you can drop several of the commands 20:28:06 That does not make it unminimalistic. 20:28:07 http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_instruction_minimalization 20:28:14 That does not make it unminimalistic. 20:29:22 Minimalistic != minimal 20:29:28 GregorR, true 20:29:37 and I'm talking about minimal here. 20:29:52 I have no idea why ehird is talking about minimalistic instead 20:29:53 AnMaster: No. We said tarpits. 20:29:58 You attempted to say Brainfuck was not a tarpit. 20:30:00 This is simply wrong. 20:30:03 ehird, no I didn't 20:30:08 20:27 oerjan: indeed brainfuck is the tarpit there 20:30:08 20:27 AnMaster: what? 20:30:09 I said it was a bloated tarpit 20:30:09 Hey, I'm wondering 20:30:10 20:27 AnMaster: brainfuck is bloated 20:30:19 AnMaster: What you said was clearly a challenge of its tarpitness. 20:30:24 Otherwise, it would not be "what?". 20:30:27 The article of Schnfinkel on combinators is from 1924 20:30:37 Could you post a link to it on der wiki? 20:30:37 All "what?" can mean is expressing confusion at its classification as a tarpit. 20:30:39 ehird, .. 20:30:42 It's like copyright free and shit 20:30:56 Slereah: it's a wiki, do it yourself... 20:31:10 I'm asking about permission, not doing 20:31:31 You weren't okay with the Kolmogorov article 20:31:35 ehird, I was saying "what" at the phrase "the tarpit", not "tarpit" 20:31:39 ours is a liberal wiki 20:31:44 AnMaster: In the list of three, duh. 20:31:45 Slereah: um you said _link_ 20:32:08 ehird, I thought he meant as in "the ultimate" 20:32:11 an entire article might be different. but we already have ski/combinator calculus 20:32:27 Slereah: what was wrong about the kolmogorov article again? 20:32:28 Well, I'm not gonna dump a ten page article on the wiki 20:32:37 oerjan : It's still copyrighted, I think 20:32:46 oh right 20:33:01 Slereah: links aren't copyrighted even if they point to something that is 20:33:06 Schnfinkel isn't, though I'm not sure about the translation 20:33:26 20:33 oerjan: Slereah: links aren't copyrighted even if they point to something that is 20:33:26 that could be a problem 20:33:30 oerjan: wrong 20:33:33 oerjan: see the pirate bay case 20:33:45 Graue could, theoretically, be put in prison for linking to copyrighted content. 20:33:55 ehird: intent matters 20:33:58 of course, nobody gives a flying fuck because FUCK THAT SHIT 20:34:06 oerjan: the intent is to give access to copyrighted content 20:34:08 that's pretty obvious 20:34:17 Also Kolmogorov is deaaaaad 20:34:26 Who's gonna sue, his ghost? 20:34:34 Slereah: Copyright ends neither with death nor deaaaaath. 20:34:38 ehird: anyway, i'm talking links to copyrighted things that are legally at their site 20:34:52 But who owns the copyright right now? 20:34:54 His wife? 20:35:05 Is she gonna find it? 20:35:10 And sue for it? 20:35:26 Slereah: the journal might own it, if not the heirs 20:35:39 Journal is in Russia 20:35:39 it depends on deals made 20:35:58 oh. well it could be complicated. 20:36:38 Then The Comrades own the copyright :P 20:36:57 Reference is "Uspehi Mat. Nauk 13" 20:36:58 anyway copyright is graue's problem. 20:37:00 Whatever that is 20:37:53 But well, I think I'll type the combinator article 20:38:03 It's interesting and not copyrighted 20:38:20 Also not too long 20:38:28 And I'll link it on the combinator page 20:41:32 There's been people accused of breaking the law by linking to someone who linked to someone who linked to someone who linked to DeCSS. 20:41:40 heh 20:41:42 Brilliant, no? 20:42:02 (note: most of the Internet is breaking the law by that notion) 20:42:11 pikhq : What kind of society would we be if we allowed such things? 20:42:22 Slereah: A free one, presumably. 20:42:26 http://acme.com/software/thttpd/repo.html 20:44:08 (Related to the link-to-a-link-to-a-link concept) 20:44:29 -!- whtspc has joined. 20:45:06 oerjan: thanks, works perfect! 20:47:21 hi whtspc 20:47:30 or should i say ieae 20:47:59 GregorR-L: i love that log 20:48:04 it's one of my favourite pieces of internet 20:48:12 hi ehird 20:49:25 GregorR-L: i dunno how jef managed to be like that for all the emails 20:49:36 as little explanation as possible :D 20:51:35 :) 20:53:07 whtspc, what worked perfect? 20:54:06 hi AnMAster, the file import functionality in oerjan's ferNANDo interpreter 20:54:08 see logs 20:54:09 :P 20:55:17 ferNANDo? 20:55:19 * AnMaster checks wiki 20:55:33 ah that was the nand one 20:57:23 hm. I just started to see the point of wireless devices... Less of a mess. Sadly in this case it were the power cables that were messed up. I guess you could make it wireless by using induction between some sort of sender in the table and a receiver in the device... 20:57:55 -!- oerjan has changed nick to Tesla. 20:57:57 "hm. I just started to see the point of wireless devices... Less of a mess. " 20:57:58 seriously? 20:58:00 Of course you could! 20:58:03 huge fucking revelation! 20:58:04 -!- Tesla has changed nick to oerjan. 20:59:22 ehird, there are downsides. Ever used gbit ethernet so it was fully loaded? I have. Then WLAN seems sluggish 20:59:40 WLAN is stupid on a desktop machine. 20:59:41 oerjan, hah hah 20:59:44 Heh 20:59:52 But wired keyboards and mice are gonna die pretty soon if there's any rationality. 21:00:13 [21:55:16] ferNANDo? 21:00:13 [21:55:19] AnMaster checks wiki 21:00:13 [21:55:32] ah that was the nand one 21:00:17 (I'm looking at you, mr hardcore gamer. No, you cannot move that mouse fast enough and precise enough, and no, you cannot tap those keys fast enough, to overload wireless networks.) 21:00:18 (Get real.) 21:00:21 I figured from the name, without having heard of it befare 21:00:23 before* 21:00:25 ehird, well as a matter of fact the power cable for the tower, the gbit ethernet cable and the power cable for the printer were the ones messed up with each other 21:00:37 s/printer/printer\/scanner/ 21:01:13 ehird, very true. But there is another downside in that case 21:01:39 you can't shield them as easily. Remember I'm *paranoid* :P 21:01:48 (yes there are various reasons why shielding only the cable wouldn't help 21:01:53 ) 21:02:00 AnMaster: btw what you're saying now is going unencrypted via your isp 21:02:09 ehird, so it is. Freenode sucks 21:02:10 AnMaster: we know you're paranoid. we've been watching you. 21:02:15 most other networks have ssl 21:02:22 AnMaster: Freenode has SSL too you dipshit. 21:02:31 Heh 21:02:32 ehird, port? 21:02:40 because last I checked, a few months ago, they didn't 21:02:42 AnMaster: ircs://JustFucking:GoogleIt/ 21:02:54 ehird, ... 21:02:54 ehird: Freenode doesn't have SSL 21:02:57 what? 21:02:58 they used to 21:02:59 at least 21:03:03 ehird, you fail 21:03:03 They used to, they don't. 21:03:05 because i distinctly recall using ssl years ago 21:03:10 GregorR-L: well that's fucking stupid 21:03:12 Yes. 21:03:13 Yes it is. 21:03:24 That's really fucking stupid. 21:04:09 Yes, that fact has a lot of sex with the physical incarnation of the concept of stupidity, we've established that. 21:04:15 -!- fizzie has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 21:04:16 yes, because they use some servers with ips that other people use too. Like http vps on same ip. And then you can't get signed ssl cert for it they said iirc. 21:04:17 -!- fizzie has joined. 21:04:27 and thus the remaining servers would be overloaded 21:04:31 something like that anyway 21:04:33 I forgot the details 21:04:34 GregorR-L: Anyway, remove the openid requirement on algorhythms. 21:04:40 It's irritating when you just want to fuck up a tune. 21:04:42 ehird: There is no OpenID requirement. 21:04:44 ehird, algorhythms? 21:04:49 Then... Put those servers in a different pool? 21:04:55 GregorR-L: O RLY? Then why did it yell at me for not giving one? 21:05:00 AnMaster: http://codu.org/algorhythms/. 21:05:21 ehird: Because I'm an ass. You don't /need/ to log in, it's just recommended :P 21:05:22 pikhq, lots of people would want it, so they would get overloaded, because *most* ones are such with shared ip 21:05:22 iirc 21:05:33 GregorR-L: "Authentication error; not a valid OpenID." 21:05:41 I'm pretty fucking sure I do need to... 21:05:48 GregorR-L, did you rename that "masterpiece" thingy? 21:05:52 ehird: Uhhhh, wtf? 21:05:52 AnMaster: No. 21:05:54 Just two instances. 21:05:59 ehird, oh? 21:06:01 why is that 21:06:02 ehird: OK, something is very broken then :P 21:06:03 ehird: One sec. 21:06:08 AnMaster: One's for masterpeices, one is for autogeneration. 21:06:10 *masterpieces 21:06:12 ah 21:06:17 GregorR-L: I wouldn't actually care if I had my domain and shit up :P 21:06:18 AnMaster: Masterpiece Machine had a different and unrelated purpose, and I wanted to --- yeah, what ehird said. 21:06:28 GregorR-L: Have sex with a goat? 21:06:36 Right. It's a desire we all have. 21:06:42 Yup 21:06:45 GregorR-L, ok, can I try it with no login? 21:06:51 .......... 21:06:52 AnMaster: Wait, that seems broken :P 21:06:55 READING COMPREHENSION, AnMaster! 21:06:57 You have it! 21:06:59 ↑ a lie. 21:07:02 Hahah, missing a tag. 21:07:03 I = retard 21:07:52 ehird, writing failure rather. I was intending to say "after you fixed it". As in "do I need some other login if I don't use openid?" 21:08:13 AnMaster: Yes. GregorR-L must track your every move so he can rape you. That is the goal of his algorithmic musical generator. 21:08:19 Be afraid. Be very afraid. 21:08:19 hah 21:08:33 **GregorR-L creeps up on AnMaster** 21:08:37 Fixt. 21:09:02 You see, when you generate music, I know you're at home. 21:09:10 So I can track when your schedule. 21:10:17 GregorR, what sort of music will it generate? I mean, I would want it to generate for two violins and one cello 21:10:25 AnMaster: You don't get to pick. 21:10:28 That's the whole point. 21:10:30 AnMaster: Screw your anti-viola ways anyway. 21:10:35 :P 21:10:38 (PS I hope you get noise and metal.) 21:10:46 GregorR-L, well I could add a viola too 21:10:47 If you want specific instruments, use a proper MIDI editor :P 21:10:58 Fatal error: Cannot pass parameter 2 by reference in /var/www/algorhythms/lib/masterpieceAC.php on line 77 21:10:59 GregorR, ^ 21:11:04 concerto in A minor for toothbrush and harmonica 21:11:05 SRSLY? :( 21:11:22 GregorR-L, I guess you have the details automatically logged on the server 21:11:23 Oh, yeah, that was broken by the OpenID problems >_> 21:11:29 ;P 21:11:46 oerjan, nice 21:12:14 oerjan, I was trying to go for Allegro in C# minor (for small string ensemble) 21:12:33 (Meanwhile, people care.) 21:12:55 GregorR, seems it was generated actually. 21:13:00 GregorR, there is a dupe now there 21:13:01 for it 21:13:23 autocompose is broken 21:13:27 as well: 21:13:32 Fatal error: Cannot pass parameter 2 by reference in /var/www/algorhythms/lib/masterpiece.php on line 87 21:13:53 Fixt again 21:14:12 Darn it X-P 21:14:15 are we approaching a fixpoint? 21:14:16 GregorR-L, http://codu.org/algorhythms/?mpid=Docilely+Bawdy+Sonata&track=1&s&autocompose 21:14:20 oerjan, :D 21:14:22 Stupid me not paying attention to the no-OpenID stuff :P 21:15:37 GregorR, also why is http://codu.org/algorhythms/?mpid=Preposterously+Nauseating+Fugue listed under "incomplete" in http://codu.org/algorhythms/?list 21:15:41 it seems complete to me? 21:16:08 GregorR, or is that yet another bug? 21:16:40 AnMaster: it's not yet nauseating enough 21:16:53 oerjan, ha ha, but seriously 21:17:14 AnMaster: That's an old bug, but it's a bug in how it was inserted into the DB, so it's not going to change. 21:17:24 * oerjan blames free beer 21:17:28 hm 21:17:35 GregorR-L: You can change it manually. :p 21:17:44 Or, I could just not do that :P 21:17:56 GregorR-L: Just give me root! 21:17:57 :D 21:18:17 Which is a great idea since the DB isn't even owned by root :P 21:18:29 Well, I could give you less privileges ... but ahh heck! 21:18:33 GregorR-L: That's quite irrelevant, isn't it :P 21:19:02 -!- whtspc_ has joined. 21:19:36 ouch 21:19:36 ouch 21:19:38 ouch 21:19:44 ... 21:19:50 AnMaster hurt himself! :) 21:19:53 pan flute + various special effects 21:19:59 like "sea shore" 21:20:00 Awesome 21:20:06 What name? 21:20:14 wth is "lead 4 (chiff)"? 21:20:20 Awesome, that's what. 21:20:25 Bad, that's what :P 21:20:30 Link me! 21:20:32 "lead 2 (sawtooth)" 21:20:37 lets see full list: 21:20:40 pan flute 21:20:42 lead 2 21:20:46 reverse cymbal 21:20:50 wow 21:20:51 tremolo strings 21:20:52 that sounds awesome 21:20:55 seashore 21:20:56 link me dammit 21:20:56 lead 4 21:21:06 ehird, the one mentioned above 21:21:16 http://codu.org/algorhythms/?mpid=Docilely+Bawdy+Sonata 21:21:25 AnMaster: wow that's great 21:21:37 very 60s sci-fi 21:21:43 ehird, indeed 21:22:08 GregorR-L: the new algo seems to make things go quiet all of a sudden very often 21:22:12 it's quite annoying 21:22:28 ouch ouch even worse 21:22:33 what 21:22:49 what is it it must be amazing if you hate it 21:23:00 ehird: Yeah, I know, that's fixed in my local copy but a bunch of sh** is broken too, so I haven't committed that. 21:23:11 FX 5 (brighness); Lead 6 (voice); Acoustic Grand Piano; Brass Section; Baritone Sax, Distortion Guitar 21:23:15 * ehird breaks some shit 21:23:19 AnMaster: that sounds awesome 21:23:20 in some strange semi oriental style 21:23:20 what's the name 21:23:22 !!! 21:23:45 the fugue named gravely * 21:24:01 "Acoustic Grand Piano" sounds ...wrong. 21:24:09 AnMaster: haha wow 21:24:11 it's chipmunk'd 21:24:16 ehird, "chipmunk"? 21:24:20 ............................................ 21:25:03 oh a type of squirrel says wikipedia 21:25:20 ehird, I fail to see what squirrels have to do with it 21:25:33 Yes, well, you wouldn't. 21:25:38 we're chip and dale, na na na na na na na 21:25:43 ehird, care to clarify? 21:25:54 Nope. Go absorb some western culture :P 21:26:08 ehird, what part. Western culture is pretty large 21:26:18 All of it. 21:26:19 http://codu.org/algorhythms/getmidi.php?mpid=Only+fucked+up+anti-guardian+mindwarps+need+apply____+and+who+are+you+and+your 21:26:22 Awful! 21:26:41 AnMaster: disney christmas special, unless they've changed it 21:26:52 The American part. That's the only part that matters. 21:26:57 :P 21:27:04 Every cartoon with chipmunks, ever. 21:27:11 oerjan, oh you mean when they talk so fast and are told to show it in pictures instead? 21:27:13 -!- whtspc_ has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]"). 21:27:17 GregorR-L: disney christmas special is _the_ most popular tv program in sweden 21:27:26 oerjan, indeed 21:27:26 AnMaster: well, the _way_ they talk, in general 21:27:30 ah yes 21:27:37 I see what ehird meant then 21:27:43 Yay. 21:27:51 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:27:51 oerjan, is it popular in Norway too? 21:27:58 Also I stopped watching it several years ago 21:27:59 sure 21:28:06 -!- augur has joined. 21:28:14 * AnMaster goes listen to something he bets ehird would never guess 21:28:20 AnMaster: Autechre. 21:28:25 ehird, C64 music 21:28:29 Close enough. 21:28:38 ehird, what is "Autechre" though? 21:28:55 AnMaster: Uh, remember that video with the warping 3d thing and the noise? 21:29:02 That was an Autechre track. 21:29:05 ehird, ah... 21:29:06 that 21:29:07 (well, they're not all like that...) 21:29:11 well this is melodic 21:29:16 just very retro 21:29:29 hey, Ae do melodic too :P 21:29:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWGUnrIiOoI 21:29:45 ehird, not that one you linked before 21:29:49 Well, yeah. 21:30:02 it was not melodic by *any* definition of melodic 21:32:53 I think I'm going to rewrite the autocomposer entirely. 21:33:04 Take lessons from what I've done and start again. 21:33:21 GregorR-L: Make it use neural networks! And markov chains. 21:33:27 Those are two very important things in any AI. 21:33:33 It's not AI :P 21:33:54 sahddup 21:34:05 ehird: Go talk to a Markov chain for a bit. 21:34:06 Awesome Instrumentation 21:34:19 pikhq: I've done that. :) 21:35:09 hm apparently it's not _the_ most popular tv program any longer, slipped to third 21:35:28 the most popular is Pop Idol. 21:35:31 or something. 21:35:43 GregorR, I want it to generate something Mozart would have been, if not proud, at least not embarrassed by! 21:36:01 fungot: How do you feel about Markov processes? 21:36:02 fizzie: what about read-block? i don't know what happens. isn't _that_ what's important? is performance fundamental? are you rich? do you prefer books or tv? 21:36:10 no, Eurovision Song Contest actually 21:36:16 heh 21:36:29 ais523 watches eurovision for laughs, i can't bring myself to :) 21:36:46 I watch it because they say "poäng" when counting the points. 21:36:46 or the swedish prequel 21:36:49 ehird, I agree with you 21:36:51 21:35 AnMaster: GregorR, I want it to generate something Mozart would have been, if not proud, at least not embarrassed by! ← that's old hat; in like the 80s someone demonstrated their program and a Chopin piece and people misidentified the real one 21:37:02 -!- whtspc has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 21:37:04 said the real chopin was too cheesy etc 21:37:09 fizzie, hm? what is wrong/funny with "poäng"? 21:37:15 what we need computers to generate now is weird shit :) 21:37:27 AnMaster: Nothing's wrong, and I doubt it's globally funny. It's just a thing. 21:37:37 fizzie: ... Did you do a *Markov chain* in Befunge? 21:37:44 ehird, Chopin would be trivial I think... 21:37:45 pikhq: You're behind, aren't you. 21:37:47 well kind of 21:37:58 ehird, Chopin would be trivial I think... 21:37:59 AnMaster: Maybe not Chopin. But it was not trivial, and it did other composers too. 21:38:00 he has a very... marked style? 21:38:03 GregorR, to generate 21:38:03 ehird: Yes, yes I am. 21:38:04 Not much love for Chopin in this channel I guess :P 21:38:15 GregorR-L: Not familiar. 21:38:26 pikhq: Technically it's not actually a Markov chain, though. Well, I guess it is if you just formulate it right; the transition probabilities are just uniformly distributed. 21:38:30 (archive.org links are appreciated) 21:38:31 GregorR, I mean, his style is very special. You can usually identify that something is Chopin after a few seconds 21:38:31 I actually don't listen to much classical. *SHOCK* *HORROR* 21:38:31 ehird: congratulations, you are now the master of the Poobah election 21:38:38 coppro: wat? 21:38:40 La France, deux points 21:38:40 fizzie: Still spiffy. 21:38:59 GregorR, while figuring out of something is Mozart or Haydn is way harder (or any of about 5 other composers) 21:39:05 ehird: read up on a-b 21:39:09 * oerjan has no idea whether they still use french 21:39:11 coppro: gmail is sloooooow 21:39:13 but k 21:40:20 oerjan, would it really be "points" in French? 21:40:30 wouldn't it be, um, poain or something iirc? 21:40:34 spelling messed up 21:41:04 I think that points is correct 21:41:26 AnMaster: it's spelled like in english, but pronounced completely differently 21:41:35 It's the "poäng" thing. 21:41:37 oerjan, ah... 21:41:44 fizzie, that is the Swedish spelling 21:41:50 which doesn't sound like the French one 21:42:04 The Finnish slightly exaggerated spelling. 21:42:11 fizzie, ah 21:42:13 AnMaster: it's borrowed from the french though 21:42:21 Or maybe more than "slightly", anyway. 21:42:27 oerjan, yes. But the "ng" sound is different 21:42:44 assuming Swedish pronunciation for "poäng" 21:42:54 the g-sound is not there in the French one iirc. 21:42:55 * pikhq would like to take this opportunity to declare that Paul Erdős was awesome. 21:43:17 pikhq, why now? 21:43:38 AnMaster: No reason. 21:43:45 ah ok... 21:43:48 * GregorR-L has an Erdos number. 21:43:54 Well, except for the obvious bit about the declaration being true. 21:43:59 AnMaster: it represents the original nasal sound of the french vowel 21:44:07 * pikhq needs to write about Plof with Gregor 21:44:08 :P 21:44:08 * fizzie has an Erdős number that's smaller than GregorR-L's. :/ 21:44:15 p, o, in, silent ts 21:44:15 :( 21:44:19 Er, I mean, larger. 21:44:22 Oh 21:44:22 :) 21:44:26 "Smaller" in the sense of "worse". :p 21:44:34 (Sorry, I'm not entirely sober.) 21:44:35 oerjan, hm? 21:44:39 or, oin, it's a diphthong i guess 21:44:41 oerjan, Swedish has the ng-sound 21:44:52 Swedish has every sound. 21:45:04 AnMaster: which is the closest approximation to something nasal i guess 21:45:14 Even glottal stops? 21:45:18 Or clicks? 21:45:28 but with a clear "g" at the end. While the French doesn't have that bit, and have a different sound near "oä". I'm not saying that they aren't related words 21:45:31 pikhq: EVERY 21:45:32 pikhq: SOUND 21:45:42 Hey wait, somebody took my awesome story off of /topic :( 21:45:44 * pikhq is of the opinion that Swedish should only be written using IPA. 21:45:49 just saying that the spelling "poäng" for the the French one is not a very good approximation 21:46:01 pikhq, Then I couldn't spell it. 21:46:02 Finnish has a glottal stop in compound words where the first word ends in the same wovel with which the second one starts. Or so sayeth Wikipedia. 21:46:07 pikhq, since I don't know IPA 21:46:19 ehird: You jerk, I liked my topic X-P 21:46:20 AnMaster: oh a clear g? norwegian has "poeng", but the g is not a plosive, just part of the ng nasal consonant 21:46:23 AnMaster: Then you should learn it. 21:46:34 pikhq, not interested 21:46:52 I don't really know how the French "point" is pronounced, so I can't guess how close the Finnish rendering of "poäng" is. 21:46:57 oerjan, well, not as clear as a free-standing one... 21:47:17 oerjan, but much more than you find in the French one 21:47:27 -!- GregorR-L has set topic: David slowed his pace slightly as his ears EXPLODED. "Ouch," he sputtered. He quickly regained his running stride as the pirate alligator bear mutants waddled after him. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 21:47:53 GregorR-L, ...? 21:48:12 Somebody set the topic to "David slowed his pace slightly as his ears," 21:48:17 So I added the rest of that story. 21:48:23 GregorR, what when? 21:48:46 Jun 16 02:59:44 * Warrigal has changed the topic to: David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D 21:48:48 AnMaster: french has no g there of course 21:48:51 hm 21:48:58 what time zone 21:49:03 Eastern 21:49:17 GregorR, offset to UTC...? 21:49:19 UTC- ... uhh, I have no idea. 21:49:23 4? 21:49:33 ah 21:49:43 GregorR, um, that wasn't the most recent topic then 21:49:45 right 21:49:56 No, ehird changed it from mine. 21:50:02 ah 21:50:04 (Mine being an extension to that one) 21:50:10 GregorR-L: you're just anti-hitler. 21:50:18 And pro-David. 21:50:25 And pro-pirate-alligator-bear-mutants. 21:50:51 i'd have thought david was more anti-goliat 21:51:06 Goliath was a pirate alligator bear mutant. 21:51:08 *h 21:51:10 That part doesn't get across usually. 21:51:16 ah 21:51:24 heh 21:51:47 GregorR, you said you have an Erdos number? 21:52:19 Well, more accurately I will when the next OOPSLA publication becomes public. 21:52:39 GregorR, so what will your Erdos number be? 21:52:56 4 21:53:20 pretty low 21:54:08 Gregor Richards -> Jan Vitek -> Nir Shavit -> Michael E. Saks -> Erdos 21:54:12 Fun fact: There is someone with an Erdos-Bacon number of 0. 21:54:21 Paul Erdos... aka "Kevin Bacon". 21:54:33 Don't be fooled. 21:54:41 lol 21:54:43 the fun part is the definition of "fact" used 21:55:06 * pikhq likes the people with Erdős-Bacon numbers who earned both sides of it 21:55:07 I should make a library of fats. 21:55:19 Fun fact: The moon is made of the lard of people who've had liposuction. That and green cheese. 21:55:21 Example: Natalie Portman. 21:55:22 i suppose erdos and bacon neither published nor acted together... 21:55:28 Mine is 5, I think. 21:55:32 oerjan: Dude, they're identical. 21:55:37 WAKE UP SHEEPLE 21:56:09 Sheeple is such a stupid noun. 21:56:28 That's because you sheeple it like it's a noun, when it's a verb. 21:56:33 it's a portmanword 21:56:33 Oh. 21:56:42 Wait, no, it goes up to 6: Myself -> Kurimo, Mikko -> Oja, Erkki -> Cooper, Leon N. -> Zeitouni, Ofer -> Diaconis, Persi W. -> Erdös, Paul. Though I'm not completely sure that's an optimal path. 21:56:56 fizzie: The issue is that you're Finnish. 21:57:00 FireFly: http://www.ams.org/mathscinet/collaborationDistance.html 21:57:08 The issue is I'm not a mathematician. :p 21:57:12 That also. 21:57:15 So I had to guess a bit before I got to mathscinet papers. 21:57:18 oerjan: what's your nummer 'gain? 21:57:21 4 21:57:33 oerjan: Collaborate with me. I was Paul Erdos' secret lover. 21:57:37 X-d 21:57:38 fizzie: Most all mathematicians have Erdős numbers of >8. 21:57:41 I'm pretty sure that counts. 21:57:44 pikhq: not really 21:57:48 pikhq: That is so not true 21:57:54 most have low numbers :P 21:57:56 I thought it was <=8 21:58:01 think of it like incest. 21:58:06 <=8 ← paul erdos' penis. 21:58:20 coppro: Erm. Inverted that comparison operator. 21:58:25 no 21:58:34 No, I mean I did. 21:59:54 -!- coppro has changed nick to {}. 21:59:57 Oh. <-- http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sheeple says it is a noun? 22:00:03 AnMaster: Whoosh! 22:00:06 -!- {} has changed nick to coppro. 22:00:23 ehird, so you were right 22:00:26 Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh 22:00:31 *tornado envelops AnMaster* 22:00:39 ehird, weren't GregorR trying to fool you? 22:00:47 GregorR-L: Stab AnMaster please 22:01:03 ^ul (Wh)S((o)S:^):^(sh)S((!)S:^):^ 22:01:03 lawl 22:01:04 Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ...too much output! 22:01:34 AnMaster: Wiktionary sheeples it as a noun, but that's just because Wiktionary is sheepling it wrong 22:01:37 !ul (Wh)S((o)S:^):^(sh)S((!)S:^):^ 22:01:51 GregorR-L, heh 22:02:16 pikhq: EgoBot doesn't abbreviate it 22:02:34 !unlambda (Wh)S((o)S:^):^(sh)S((!)S:^):^ 22:02:35 ./interps/unlambda/unlambda.bin: file /tmp/input.23928: parse error 22:02:46 !slashes W/f/of/fsh 22:02:49 hm 22:02:55 wouldn't that be right? 22:03:04 !slashes Woosh 22:03:05 Woosh 22:03:06 oh wait, infinite loop 22:03:23 quite so 22:03:23 oerjan, !slashes doesn't output as it go? 22:03:28 no 22:03:30 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 22:03:34 oerjan, it could. 22:03:38 not during a substitution 22:04:04 oerjan, it could still as it went along 22:04:09 as far as I can tell 22:04:16 AnMaster: it is somewhat complicated to know when it can do it 22:04:23 oerjan, that is true 22:04:34 since a substitution can make an earlier one possible 22:05:21 !befunge98 'W,'o':1+00p#;:, 22:05:27 I *think* 22:05:31 guess not 22:05:43 !befunge98 'W,'o':1+00p#;:,a, 22:05:43 Wo 22:06:19 yes indeed 22:06:28 just line buffered output messing up here 22:06:32 as well 22:07:43 My internet is slow. 22:07:47 -!- inurinternet has joined. 22:07:48 Someone fix the intertubes 22:08:15 moo 22:08:19 moo 22:09:38 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 22:10:08 Moo can answer all good questions 22:10:12 "What noise do cows make?" 22:10:14 "Moo." 22:10:23 "Does a dog have buddha nature?" 22:10:25 "Mu." 22:11:00 Does buddha have dog nature? 22:11:25 Um. 22:11:30 http://www.kryogenix.org/random/cave.svg ← svg helicopter 22:11:51 !google egobot 22:11:52 http://google.com/search?q=egobot 22:12:23 http://blogoscoped.com/egobrowser/egobot.php // THIS gets the #1 result?! 22:12:58 GregorR-L: i've used that 22:13:21 What is (was) it? 22:13:27 ehird, that au* you linked above was less bad that the one you linked first. But still not my cup of tea 22:13:46 GregorR-L: you asked it questions and it searched google and agglomerated stuff to answer things 22:13:51 it was amusingly silly 22:15:22 "agglomerated" is amusingly silly 22:15:48 AnMaster: Here, have a completely unobjectional Autechre track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZZPMo7OdJo 22:15:55 If you don't like it, you're unbelievably picky ;P 22:15:57 *:P 22:16:22 http://www.kryogenix.org/random/cave.svg ← svg helicopter <-- wtf, a black box? 22:16:28 AnMaster: js. 22:16:29 ehird: ... That doesn't work. 22:16:35 hm ok 22:16:37 pikhq: What doesn't? The youtube link? 22:16:39 WFM 22:16:49 SVG helicopter. 22:16:49 AnMaster: a key = any key btw, not "a" 22:16:53 pikhq: enable js 22:17:04 It is enabled. 22:17:07 ehird, err what has that got to do with anything? 22:17:09 pikhq: Clarify. 22:17:13 AnMaster: JS helicopter. 22:17:15 ehird, I tried both konq and inkscape though 22:17:19 let me try it in firefox 22:17:25 It's javascript that changes an svg. 22:17:31 Do you really expect that to work in inkscape? 22:17:35 no 22:17:45 ehird, but I expect most svgs to 22:17:53 even when firefox fails 22:17:55 which happens 22:17:55 AnMaster: Only the ones that are static imagery. 22:18:00 I see the SVG rendered, but the Javascript doesn't work in Firefox. 22:18:01 then inkscape usually works 22:18:06 pikhq: WFM. 22:18:08 Upgrade Firefox? 22:18:08 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 22:18:22 pikhq, same 22:18:38 Mozilla XULRunner 1.9.0.10 - 2009051912 22:18:38 It works, jeez. 22:18:39 firefox 3.0.10 22:18:39 Latest stable. 22:18:51 pikhq: What ist he error? 22:18:56 "Doesn't work" is collosally unhelpful. 22:18:58 ehird, keys doesn't work here 22:19:00 as in 22:19:05 The Javascript does not execute. 22:19:05 AnMaster: Focus in the window. 22:19:07 it doesn't react to key presses 22:19:10 ehird, tried to 22:19:14 pikhq: Your browser is broken. 22:19:16 AnMaster: Use another key. 22:19:37 What version of Firefox are you using? 22:19:40 Yay XML 22:19:57 pikhq: Tested in both Safari 4 beta (too lazy to upgrade to 4 proper) and Firefox 3.5 beta. 22:20:00 destroying the world, one file format at a time 22:20:02 beta 4 even 22:20:06 Both work absolutely perfectly. 22:20:22 Note that Firefox 3.5 adds a lot of support for various features. 22:20:25 As does Safari 4. 22:20:35 Then upgrade. 22:20:40 I guess that SGML scripting is one of those features. 22:20:47 What? 22:20:49 SGML scripting? 22:20:54 pikhq: You've been able to script SVG for aeons. 22:20:56 Years. 22:21:02 Erm. In SVG. 22:21:07 pikhq: See above. 22:21:09 s/SGML/SVG/ 22:21:19 Yes, SVG embedded in HTML. 22:21:30 pikhq: That's good, because there's no HTML in that file. 22:21:34 Yes. 22:21:38 er. 22:21:39 Thus why it's not working. 22:21:41 pikhq: you're simply wrong 22:21:45 pikhq: I've scripted svg in ff 3.0 22:21:47 stop bullshitting 22:22:07 Fine. So it just plan doesn't work in 3.0.10. 22:22:22 So it's using *something* that FF 3.5 added. 22:22:29 Perhaps. 22:22:54 Works fine in 3.0.11 22:23:28 ... Or 3.0.10 just had a bug. 22:23:40 Hurf durf upgrade. 22:23:49 I will when it' 22:23:56 s not ~amd64 in Gentoo. 22:24:10 pikhq: "I use Gentoo because it has the latest of everything lololololololololol" 22:24:24 ... I don't. 22:24:31 Only an idiot would. 22:24:35 A lot of peopled o. 22:24:38 *do 22:24:42 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 22:24:44 (and there's plenty of idiots) 22:25:31 A never-ending supply. 22:25:48 ehird, just because idiots use an OS doesn't mean that everyone using the OS is an iditot 22:25:57 -!- GuestShadowSkunk has joined. 22:25:58 Did I say that? 22:25:58 no. 22:26:04 ehird, you implied it 22:26:09 no i did not. 22:26:13 AnMaster: Here, have a completely unobjectional Autechre track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZZPMo7OdJo <- the video part is horrible. The music is better than the previous one. Still not something I will listen to again though. 22:26:26 If you don't like it, you're unbelievably picky ;P <-- yes I am 22:26:45 you'd probably like it better if it was 10x longer and had no beat 22:26:54 MYTH CONFIRMED! 22:27:34 -!- augur has joined. 22:27:35 ehird, I do like game music though. Which is somehow often in between classical and modern 22:27:40 if you see what I mean 22:27:43 (now we just need to attach some explosives to him for the grand finale) 22:28:04 oerjan, what myth? 22:28:05 AnMaster: Modern game music is mostly divided between classical, techno, and, uh, Space Giraffe. 22:28:17 "Space Giraffe", lol 22:28:17 the myth that AnMaster is unbelievably picky 22:28:27 AnMaster: That's a real game. 22:28:29 ehird, I probably haven't played "Space Giraffe" games. What do you mean. 22:28:33 A real, fucking crazy, psychedelic game. 22:28:36 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoT-_2wC4vY 22:28:44 Skip forwards to like 8 minutes and watch your head combust. 22:29:29 Techno is classical-derivative. With emphasis on "derivative" 22:29:44 GregorR, then everything is 22:29:53 AnMaster: Because folk & tribe music doesn't exist. 22:30:00 ehird, fair point 22:30:07 *don't, probably 22:30:14 classical is a derivative of folk/tribe 22:30:24 Not the same folks or tribes :P 22:30:34 GregorR, actually yes. 22:30:37 GregorR-L: Some techno makes that rather obvious. 22:30:49 (see techno renditions of classical pieces. :P) 22:30:56 I wonder if you can make Xbox 360 shit work on windows. 22:31:01 GregorR, how many "Hungarian dances" and similiar by classical composers have you seen? 22:31:01 It does run windows, after all. 22:31:02 Sort of. 22:31:03 quite a few I bet 22:31:07 AnMaster: You're acting as if "folk and tribe music" is one genre. 22:31:15 GregorR, it isn't of course 22:31:22 AnMaster: That's what I'm saying. 22:31:27 ah 22:31:34 ehird: The 360 doesn't do Windows; it merely has a vaguely similar API. 22:31:44 (mostly DirectX) 22:32:04 pikhq: Well, uh. The original xbox ran Windows, and the xbox 360 runs 478 Xbox games. 22:32:15 So I'm thinkin' that there's a good amount of Windows in there. 22:32:21 The 360 emulates the original Xbox. 22:32:26 Hmm. 22:32:39 pikhq: But anyway, how many unique APIs does the xbox actually have? 22:32:41 I suppose a lot. 22:32:50 And the Xbox didn't run Windows, it ran an OS which happened to be based on the NT kernel. 22:33:04 Operating systemHighly Modified Windows 2000 and XP (through Xbox LIVE) 22:33:08 pikhq: Ding. 22:33:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoT-_2wC4vY <-- reminds me more of a demo... 22:33:21 than a game 22:33:25 It can hardly be called Windows without the Windows subsystem. 22:33:26 ;) 22:33:27 AnMaster: It reminds me more of a trip. :p 22:33:40 ehird, I never had one. So no idea 22:34:01 ehird, and what drug 22:34:02 Nor have I, but if they're not like that, I'm severely disappointed. 22:34:13 ah 22:34:17 :p 22:34:17 but seriously wth 22:34:18 "Trip"? You want a trippy game? 22:34:22 Katamari Damacy. 22:34:29 pikhq: Dude, did you actually click the link? 22:34:36 Click it and skip to 8 minutes, then claim Katamari is more trippy. 22:34:51 ehird: No; I have a ridiculously low bandwidth cap. 22:34:54 ehird, what music genre is this in general? 22:34:58 Then accept it on faith :P 22:35:00 AnMaster: Which? 22:35:11 * pikhq listens to Katamari Fortissimo Damacy 22:35:14 ehird, space giraffe 22:35:47 ehird, but why the random sounds like a cow? 22:35:54 AnMaster: I think it has an assortment, but I just get synethesisea so I'm probably hearing the visuals :) 22:35:56 this is so wtf 22:35:57 *fix spelling 22:35:57 -!- Slereah has quit (Connection timed out). 22:36:28 AnMaster: Also, that's things exploding, I think. 22:36:33 I'm pretty sure you shoot things. 22:36:42 ehird, yes, but that is another part 22:36:50 there is the exploding bit too 22:37:04 I think that's just stuff happening when you shoot things. 22:37:12 ehird, after it says "pod get" 22:37:14 stuff like that 22:37:19 Yeah. 22:37:30 ehird, sounds like a cow doesn't it? 22:37:35 Yes. 22:37:42 how strange 22:37:56 also what odd shape for the playing field 22:38:05 I think it bends. 22:38:12 uhu 22:38:23 I seriously can't figure out how the game works from that video 22:38:31 everything is so blurry 22:38:48 and strange colours 22:38:56 AnMaster: "The sheep vocals for the song were done by Flossie, Jeff's pet sheep, who has since passed away." 22:39:03 So I guess some of them are part of the song. 22:39:06 ehird, sheep? 22:39:08 And the loud ones part of the game. 22:39:11 ah 22:39:14 ah yes those 22:39:19 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 22:40:53 ehird, the music around 8 minutes is quite sane IMO 22:40:59 compared to the previous music 22:41:04 Yes, but everything else isn't, so it balances out. 22:41:14 I'm sort of getting the idea. 22:41:17 you mean the actual game? 22:41:17 The star things are enemies. 22:41:24 When the field disappears, you fly to another field. 22:41:31 You are the thing that doesn't look like a giraffe at all. 22:41:33 You shoot things. 22:41:34 AnMaster: Yes. 22:41:48 I figured that out 22:41:53 but not anything else 22:42:39 wait what "A winner is you\nBut our giraffe is in\nAnother Castle"? 22:42:41 wth 22:42:54 they asked whowever translated "all your base" for help? 22:42:54 AnMaster: that's from mario 22:43:03 AnMaster: well, the last two lines 22:43:04 ehird, oh? I don't remember that bit 22:43:07 AnMaster: the first one is from another meme 22:43:13 AnMaster: yes — 22:43:13 oh 22:43:25 "—"? 22:43:28 * ehird googles for exact quote, internet is slow. 22:43:40 AnMaster: At the end of each world except the last, Mario or Luigi is greeted with the words "Thank you Mario! But our princess is in another castle!" spoken by a Mushroom Retainer.[16] 22:43:54 A WINNER IS YOU! is from Pro Wrestling, a NES game. 22:43:58 ok 22:44:10 ehird, translation fail for that though 22:44:20 ?> 22:44:21 *? 22:44:26 "a winner is you" 22:44:32 that sounds like translation fail 22:44:32 duh 22:44:34 originally 22:44:37 right? 22:44:47 ehird: http://blogs.msdn.com/xboxteam/archive/2006/02/17/534421.aspx 22:44:49 ehird, do you like this music? 22:44:56 The space giraffe stuff? 22:44:57 Sure. 22:45:07 ehird, if so I might know another game with odd music 22:45:13 haven't played it for a while 22:45:15 * AnMaster checks 22:45:43 pikhq: k 22:46:22 pikhq: i just wanna play xbox 360 games without buying one :P 22:46:50 ehird: According to the Xbox dev team, the Xbox OS was written from the ground up, but happens to use parts of the Win32 API for convenience' sake. 22:47:00 ah yes... it was the game with a music file named "cosmicMotion.xm" oh and another one called "condomCorruption.mod"... The music varies a lot. Some is classical, some is techno, some is just plain weird. 22:47:00 pikhq: it probably still uses the execution model & kernel model. 22:47:11 condom corruption! 22:47:15 Good luck, man. There's *source* compatibility between the 360 and Windows. 22:47:24 ehird, blobwars. 22:47:27 was the game 22:47:28 blobwars 22:47:30 er 22:47:31 oops 22:47:38 pikhq: Bleargh. 22:47:40 ehird, that isn't the google search box 22:47:48 ehird, that is the irc input field 22:47:52 (well, you could possibly get some 360 games working on Windows; some of those games are .Net) 22:47:58 AnMaster: which blob wars? 22:48:02 http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=blobwars&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 22:48:03 ehird, both! 22:48:04 lotsa flahs ones there 22:48:06 *flash 22:48:07 um 22:48:11 not flash ones 22:48:13 SDL ones 22:48:19 metal blob solid 22:48:28 is the first one iirc 22:48:37 there are two games. will be a trilogy. 22:48:40 game is open source 22:48:43 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blob_Wars 22:48:51 guess ill download it. 22:49:01 ehird, A PITA to compile iirc. 22:49:02 GregorR-L: your wearable works standalone now? does it have a net connection? 22:49:04 well not 22:49:07 AnMaster: that's good, I'll use a binary. 22:49:12 ehird, unless you aren't on 32-bit Linux 22:49:16 err 22:49:17 are* 22:49:42 ugh 22:49:46 the mac binary is from september 08 22:49:47 "0.99" 22:49:49 vs 1.11 22:49:57 the fucking AROS binary is newer 22:50:00 ehird, anyway, there is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blob_Wars:_Blob_And_Conquer 22:50:03 AROS is a bloody open source amigaOS! 22:50:13 ehird, I'm on 1.07 here 22:50:17 ehird: Might I recommend qemu? 22:50:18 hm 22:50:26 Oh, right. 22:50:27 pikhq: might i recommend I'm-buying-a-new-computer. 22:50:33 pikhq: also, no kqemu. 22:50:34 os x. 22:50:35 ehird, just play the music with modplugplay 22:50:38 Qemu's non-system emulation sucks ass. 22:50:42 AnMaster: but i wanna play the game :D 22:50:45 ehird, ok. 22:50:49 -!- GregorR-L has quit (Connection timed out). 22:51:02 ehird, then I think it is quite ok. but the sequel is better 22:51:04 -!- jix has joined. 22:51:08 Uh. Dual boot your Mac? That's your best hope, sadly... 22:51:17 (or emulate) 22:51:17 (also sad) 22:51:20 pikhq: whatever, I'm only going to be using this for a month or two 22:51:25 Mmkay. 22:52:06 do you know what I hate? 22:52:08 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 22:52:13 MAME (the arcade machine emulator)'s license 22:52:13 Cost 22:52:14 MAME is free. Its source code is free. Selling either is not allowed. 22:52:18 Derivative Works 22:52:18 Derivative works are permitted under the MAME license. However, you are discouraged from providing specific functionality that goes against the philosophy of the MAME team. Specifically: 22:52:21 Do not add games which are more recent than 3 years old, or which are still being sold new by the company that produced them. MAME is not intended to be a platform that competes with arcade games that are still being actively sold. 22:52:25 Do not provide a means of generating a list of games that specifically identifies those games for which the user does not have image files. This only encourages users to seek out sources for illegal ROM, CD, and hard disk images in order to "complete" their collection. 22:52:29 Do not remove the startup screen that contains information about why certain non-working games don't work. This only serves to generate a bunch of useless email traffic to the developers asking why the games don't work. 22:52:32 ehird: That is lame. 22:52:44 "YOU CAN'T SELL MAME EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT ANTI-OPEN SOURCE. AND DON'T ADD RECENT GAMES OR LET PEOPLE GET ILLEGAL GAMES AND DON'T REMOVE THE STARTUP SCREE" 22:52:45 N 22:52:47 "WAAAAAAAAAAH" 22:52:51 pikhq, he could compile it on mac 22:52:52 I bet 22:53:03 you said it was a bitch to compile 22:53:20 ehird, yes it seems better in 1.11 though 22:53:24 1.07 was 22:53:31 0.99 will do me. 22:53:39 ugh, it does the same as enigma 22:53:44 * pikhq could've sworn that there were at least attempts to switch MAME to GPL. 22:53:45 changes colour profile on my display 22:53:48 until i quit it 22:53:55 ehird, what 22:53:55 so everything goes darker 22:53:58 that's very strange 22:54:03 AnMaster: it's some sdl/os x thing 22:54:08 dna maze dosen't do it though 22:54:15 ehird, I see. Bloody strange 22:55:12 AnMaster: haha i like the screams. 22:55:21 AUUUUUURRRRRRRRR 22:55:38 ehird, there is an option for it iirc 22:55:51 -!- M0ny has quit. 22:55:55 who would want to disable it! 22:56:07 ehird, the psyco music are in the final levels iirc 22:56:12 the last boss fight 22:56:37 how do you switch weapon? 22:56:40 or can't you 22:56:44 ehird, you pick up another one 22:56:49 you only hold one at a time 22:56:57 oh and you need to plan ahead 22:56:59 ah 22:57:06 as in, only pistol works under water 22:57:14 and in some cases you need grenades to complete the level 22:57:18 by shooting upwards 23:00:01 ehird, the sequel is third person 3D 23:00:06 and IMO better 23:00:07 yah, i noticed 23:00:10 link 23:00:11 ? 23:00:22 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blob_Wars:_Blob_And_Conquer 23:00:31 http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/projects/blobAndConquer.php 23:00:52 ehird, would be a spoiler without playing the first though! 23:00:53 :P 23:01:30 "It will therefore be necessary to leave our problem at the point reached above and to develop first a kind of function calculus [Funktionenkalkl]; we are using this term here in a sense more general than is otherwise customary." 23:01:34 Oh I'll bet 23:01:45 I bet it's a whole lot functional <3 23:01:47 -!- GuestShadowSkunk has changed nick to Slereah. 23:02:58 * ehird completes level one of the original blob wars. 23:03:00 damn that was awesome. 23:03:31 clearly, though, I Wanna Be The Guy is better. 23:03:43 AnMaster: no os x binary of that 23:03:48 guess i'll compile 23:03:55 ehird, hm indeed. just a simple makefile 23:04:04 "* - A dual analog stick joypad (eg - PS2 Dual Shock) is highly recommended" 23:04:10 i should pick one of them up sometime 23:04:11 ehird, I play with mouse... 23:04:13 and keyboard 23:04:18 works fine 23:04:19 i love the ps2 joypad 23:04:21 it's great 23:04:29 Pick up a PS3 controller. 23:04:37 the gamecube controller is awful 23:04:37 :) 23:04:45 Just plug it in and away you go. 23:05:26 pikhq: nothing can beat http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7c/Sonydualshockblack.JPG ! 23:05:32 ehird, the sequel has less psyco music 23:05:40 *psycho 23:05:44 yeah 23:07:30 NOM NOM NOM 23:08:08 ehird: Yeah; the dualshock is a very good controller. 23:08:47 pikhq: D-Pad is a bit non-tactile though. 23:09:23 The D-pad is there for show :P 23:10:07 I dunno, I've used it. 23:11:02 I have a USB Dualshock wannabe for my comp :p 23:11:07 Yeah, the D-pad is its only problem. 23:11:11 Some cheapy thing 23:11:11 FireFly: Get a real one. 23:11:14 Bleh 23:11:19 The PS3 controllers *are* USB. 23:11:31 Perhaps, but I don't have any PS3 23:11:37 PS2 DualShock > PS3 DualShock 23:11:41 And I'm not playing THAT much on my comp 23:11:47 Don't need a PS3 for it. 23:11:55 You can buy the PS3 controllers seperately. 23:12:03 Just plug them in. 23:12:08 [00:11:41] And I'm not playing THAT much on my comp 23:12:19 I mean, I mostly bought that one for mupen 23:12:22 Or if you have Bluetooth, just turn them on. 23:12:29 I wish I hado 23:12:29 Hmm. 23:12:30 had* 23:12:39 AnMaster: After some hacking, it fails at linktime. 23:12:49 "gettext" isn't defined, nor is "libintl_{bind,}textdomain". 23:12:52 ehird: Yeah, but only slightly. The PS3 dualshock is still very good. 23:12:56 Guess I need to compile with gettext. 23:13:24 When are they going to make the tripleshock :P 23:13:35 ehird, hm 23:13:42 ehird, never had that issues on OS X 23:13:48 but yeah try with gettext 23:13:51 and/or libintl 23:13:56 but why did it need hacking? 23:13:59 that seems very strange 23:14:01 opengl stuff. 23:14:01 GregorR: Sometime after humans grow a third hand. 23:14:18 ehird, yes and? 23:14:20 AnMaster: ah, -lintl helped. 23:14:24 what about opengl 23:14:31 pikhq: Hey, it worked for the N64 23:14:36 Different way of initialising it on OSX. 23:14:41 GregorR: Oh, right. 23:14:41 % ./blobAndConquer 23:14:42 zsh: bus error ./blobAndConquer 23:14:53 pikhq: no, just linking stuff 23:15:01 and GL/foo 23:15:04 should be OpenGL/foo 23:15:05 Ah. 23:15:12 and SDL/foo, doesn't work with sdl-config --cflags 23:15:16 So, no Autoconf. 23:15:16 I've never been much of a PS fan, but I'm glad they didn't go for the silver banana controller for Ps3 23:15:17 so i needed to add /opt/local/include 23:15:19 Sad. 23:15:24 and it's -framework OpenGL 23:15:26 not -lGL -lGLU 23:15:28 brb 23:15:32 I want to see an edited pic with somebody holding an N64 controller with three hands. 23:15:35 FireFly: Ugh; that silver banana controller looked painful. 23:15:39 And they should be having a lot of fun too. 23:15:39 Indeed 23:15:49 (With their third arm just sticking out of their chest) 23:15:53 The PS3's only saving grace then would've been that it handles PS2 controllers plugged in via an adapter. 23:16:36 ehird, mac linking is unusual 23:16:46 ehird, and yes it was made for linux mostly 23:17:01 you might want to send a patch to the author :) 23:17:38 Who will respond "OS X? Screw OS X!" 23:17:48 ehird: Would it kill them to use Autoconf? 23:18:04 (or something that similarly abstracts that stuff away) 23:21:07 Ha. Talking to ehird about autoconf. I think I'll leave now lest the fallout kills me. 23:21:49 Oh, right. He prefers the insane solution. 23:21:54 (in this case, per-OS Makefiles) 23:22:56 GregorR, I would, except it would be a bit tedious! 23:23:39 Memo to oerjan, re "is the topic accurate?": no. 23:24:11 Warrigal, what is the topic supposed to be? 23:24:29 Well, I originally set the topic to contain "David slowed his pace slightly as his ears," 23:24:40 Which is the first line of http://normish.org/ihope/dodadodidi/arson.txt. 23:24:58 The topic is inaccurate in that what follows in the topic is not what follows in the text file. 23:25:05 -!- comex has quit (Remote closed the connection). 23:25:10 Warrigal, and what is that file about 23:25:12 tl:dr 23:25:17 The topic doesn't even have the comma after "ears". 23:25:30 It's about arson. 23:25:30 Response time: 12 hours :P 23:26:03 GregorR: now come up with a reasonable continuation that actually has a comma after "ears". 23:26:13 Warrigal, "arson"? 23:26:24 AnMaster: yes. You know what arson is, don't you? 23:29:08 -!- GregorR has set topic: David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, which had been tingling painfully, burst forth off of his head, leaving two bleeding gashes. "Ouch," he sputtered, pulling hair wet with blood off of his scalp. But there was no time to bandage the wound, as he quickly regained his running stride as the pirate alligator bear mutants waddled after him. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 23:30:26 Warrigal: Happy now? 23:32:08 Or do I need to make it about arson, too? 23:32:57 Nope, it's perfect. 23:34:53 23:21 pikhq: Oh, right. He prefers the insane solution. 23:34:53 23:21 pikhq: (in this case, per-OS Makefiles) 23:34:54 nope 23:35:10 lytton context is gay. 23:35:15 contest. 23:35:21 lyttle lytton contest, on the other hand, is the shit. 23:35:33 http://adamcadre.ac/lyttle.html 23:35:54 lament more like la shit 23:36:10 ehird: What do you prefer? 23:36:11 lament: i like the lytton contest! 23:36:18 pikhq: not using c :) 23:36:31 Ah, yes. The ignorant solution. 23:36:32 but the current least horrible solution is per-OS makefiles. with the makefiles being as portable as possible. 23:36:40 pikhq: no— c is just really shit and has a terrible environment around it 23:36:42 lyttle lytton is better 23:36:46 ... Per-OS makefiles. 23:36:48 although why am I bothering; you're a c fanboy. 23:36:49 *Really*. 23:37:14 unlike the actual lytton contest, the lyttle lytton one is conducted by a guy who himself has a good sense of humour and is a professional writer 23:37:42 * pikhq wishes that ehird had ever had to deal with per-OS makefiles. 23:37:55 GregorR: Can you scare pikhq by telling him cplof's makefiles are per-OS to a degree? 23:38:03 I would enjoy that. 23:38:27 pikhq: cplof's Makefiles are per-OS to a degree. 23:38:27 I see configure.ac and Makefile.am. 23:38:38 GregorR: To what degree? 23:38:38 pikhq: More accurately, it has per-OS makefiles for OSes that don't support auto* :P 23:38:43 wait 23:38:45 when did it get autoconf? 23:38:49 it didn't use to use auto* 23:38:55 not when I worked on it 23:39:44 It had autoconf all along, you just used the GCC makefile :P 23:39:46 You realise that's what ./configure&&make&&make install generally means. 23:39:54 They're in build/ 23:40:19 GregorR: Oh, those. For use where autoconf doesn't work. 23:41:29 pikhq: anyway, I'm not interested in this argument because it is the nature of sysadmins to adore C, autohell, shell scripts and other absurdities 23:41:47 I don't adore Autoconf. 23:41:54 Warrigal: Another ending (people don't understand what 'comma not optional' means): David slowed his pace slightly as his ears began to slowly deform, but pressed on. He descended into the volcano, determined to save the man who created him. 23:42:13 I just think it's significantly better than per-OS makefiles or crazy Perl scripts or other such custom build systems. 23:42:26 (which of course it is) 23:43:21 * ehird poops over everyone who likes unix. 23:43:40 * pikhq watches ehird poop over himself 23:43:58 (you *do* like OS X, right?) 23:43:59 pikhq: Unless you know something about my mind that I don't, nope. 23:44:10 I tolerate OS X. I'm switching to Linux because it's a bit more tolerable. 23:44:58 I agree that UNIX, autotools, etc. aren't all that great. I just think you are *terrible* at suggesting improvements. 23:45:12 So's your mom, and you don't argue with her. 23:45:17 AnMaster: yes. You know what arson is, don't you? <-- no 23:45:25 AnMaster: >_< 23:45:43 AnMaster: Arson is when you put your arse on somebody. 23:45:49 Nothing is tolerable. 23:45:52 Arse = buttocks. 23:45:52 Life is intolerable. 23:45:53 (god, suggesting per-OS makefiles, what Autoconf replaced? *shudder*) 23:45:55 Goth goth goth. 23:46:01 I'm gonna go back to my parent's basement to sulk. 23:46:07 (The above is goth poetry) 23:46:09 Definitions of arson on the Web: 23:46:09 malicious burning to destroy property; "the British term for arson is fire-raising" 23:46:09 wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn 23:46:14 AnMaster: That's bullshit. 23:46:19 It's when you put your buttocks on somebody. 23:46:34 ehird, bull-arse-output? 23:46:37 Haaaaaaaaaaahahahah 23:55:05 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 23:57:40 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined.