< 1246580781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1246580831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1246583769 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :aaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1246583773 0 :aaaaaaaaaaaaaa!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1246583794 0 :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :comex < 1246583931 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246583935 0 :zid!n=zid@zid-1-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246585778 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246586058 0 :Zuu!i=zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1246586498 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246586775 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246588779 0 :Zuu!i=zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1246591734 0 :Gracenotes_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246591759 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1246594121 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-238-252-206.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1246594750 0 :amca!n=amca@CPE-121-208-82-97.qld.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1246595387 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246596346 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246596454 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246599108 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246600844 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246601815 0 :Figs!n=Figs@cpe-72-130-130-76.san.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246607999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1246608000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1246609844 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@77.40.165.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246609864 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246609979 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-4-198.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246610438 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246612754 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246613085 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246613352 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1246613508 0 :Associat0r!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"#proglangdesign #ltu ##concurrency" < 1246615285 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"There's nothing dirtier then a giant ball of oil" < 1246616781 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1246620141 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246620986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1246622780 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246624894 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"just a moment; testing" < 1246624949 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1246625282 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246625776 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1246627860 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246628659 0 :BeholdMyGlory_!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246628682 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1246628688 0 :BeholdMyGlory_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1246632099 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@79-68-197-221.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246632109 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1246632182 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246632190 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now to test iPhone OS 3.0s copy and paste by linking to this semi-lame comic about Brainfuck that I found on reddit: http://dustland.thedailynathan.com/11 < 1246632200 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, it worked. < 1246632214 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*3.0's < 1246632338 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, bye. < 1246632343 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246633227 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1246634841 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77.100.194.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246634937 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-15-134.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246636039 0 :asiekierka!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1246636381 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Farewell" < 1246636523 0 :jix!n=jix@81-223-217-34.work.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1246638319 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1246638878 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-10-200.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1246639009 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246639148 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246639168 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define discombobulation < 1246639169 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* confusion: a feeling of embarrassment that leaves you confused \ [12]wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn \ * discombobulate - bewilder: cause to be confused emotionally < 1246639203 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it that is successful, then < 1246639577 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1246639706 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I wrote a bit of Perl so that fungot can use language models generated by our state-of-the-art VariKN n-gram toolkit; it does a fancy variable-length n-gram model growing thing with Kneser-Ney smoothing. < 1246639706 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop, crono! < 1246639732 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The results... maybe leave something to be desired. Although I've only tried it with a one very short piece of data. < 1246640426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"our state-of-the-art"? is this from your department's research? < 1246640529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1246640529 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct* darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1246640533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct < 1246640534 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) < 1246640545 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, a published bit of it though. http://varikn.forge.pascal-network.org/ < 1246640580 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. < 1246640706 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help quote < 1246640706 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I have no help for quote! < 1246640709 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!quote < 1246640714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1246640715 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14| So what you're saying is that I shouldn't lick my iPhone but instead I should rub it on my eyes first and then lick my eyeballs? < 1246640823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. < 1246640823 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! < 1246640824 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1246640832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1246640838 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1246640839 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addquote \ calc \ creatures \ define \ esolang \ etymology \ fortune \ google \ imdb \ minifind \ paste \ quote \ runfor \ strfile \ unstr \ url \ wolfram < 1246640844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. < 1246640845 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is the gate key okay!! get' em! 200g per night. care, and stay...healthy! my husband...he's...he's...gone... but he left me precious gifts! the seeds...and our child, it's ancient history now... < 1246640845 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23| Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. < 1246640911 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he's really a tricycle!" A bit random. < 1246640914 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he's really a tricycle!"? < 1246640931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats fizzie -----### < 1246641045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently there's a bit of a problem in that it always uses the longest-length n-gram the tree has, which makes it a bit too likely to quote verbatim. The model gives a back-off probability I could use for randomly selecting a bit shorter context, leading to more variable output, but since the babble-generation needs to be written in Befunge I haven't had time to do it well. < 1246641104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact that seems to be a direct quotation from the bit: "hey, check it out! he's really a tricycle! pass him!" < 1246643334 0 :Figs!n=Figs@cpe-72-130-130-76.san.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246643911 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1246644240 0 :jix!n=jix@81-223-217-34.work.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1246644296 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246644352 0 :jix!n=jix@81-223-217-34.work.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1246646557 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-162-184-81.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246646772 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@91.105.123.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246646785 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also reaa < 1246646804 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also really a tricycle, rather. < 1246646806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that related to virtuaa? < 1246646860 0 :Associat0r!n=Associat@h163153.upc-h.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1246646911 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am fucking off now. WTF is this smiley graphic it keeps trying to complete: O.O ? I'll check the logs to see. Buh-bye for now. Especially you, Associat0r (yep, nick completion works). < 1246646919 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246647035 0 :Associat0r!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1246647062 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird has gone insane, clearly. < 1246647076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we already knew that. he is a regular after all. < 1246647234 0 :tombom!i=tombom@82.31.32.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246647394 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ehird has gone insane, clearly. < 1246647395 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :24| ehird has gone insane, clearly. < 1246647410 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1246647415 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1246647416 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10| what, you mean that wasn't your real name? Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that. < 1246647431 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote `quote < 1246647432 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25|`quote < 1246647446 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 25 < 1246647446 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1246647449 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`remquote 25 < 1246647450 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1246647458 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no such things < 1246647460 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA < 1246647462 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1246647463 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1246647471 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 24 < 1246647472 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :24| ehird has gone insane, clearly. < 1246647475 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 25 < 1246647476 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25|`quote < 1246647479 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Meh ._. < 1246647481 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :26| Meh ._. < 1246647497 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! < 1246647497 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: but, we are far outnumbered! and to think that i'm his father!! the king does not wish! we shall hold this position to the last man! big fire where lavos fall from sky! we no can call you " knight cyrus fell while protecting our kingdom from magus. i'd stay away! < 1246647498 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :27| oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! < 1246647520 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64 < 1246647521 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material) < 1246647529 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: $D001 < 1246647530 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: windows 95 ms-dos edit is the ordinary text that is needed when two sprites hit each other, sprite graphics < 1246647541 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Wait, windows 95 and c64? < 1246647542 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: up before they can be read again. that means that program running is also abailable by setting this bit to 0 < 1246647549 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABAILABLE! < 1246647556 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the new official misspell for available < 1246647564 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1246647565 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1246647569 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: planes < 1246647570 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: ok man, i've told you the attention i think < 1246647570 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means available in spanish < 1246647577 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: not planes < 1246647580 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1246647584 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1246647590 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tester001asie < 1246647594 0 :tester001asie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do something < 1246647594 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tester001asie: type in computer controlled < 1246647595 0 :tester001asie!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asiekierka < 1246647604 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Why are you such an idiot with YOUTUBE COMMENTS? < 1246647605 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: this plane was a test flight operated by remote control", it's a sobe commercial, but sing opera?! i want to give 4000 to each chinese citizen to pay for it < 1246647632 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, Figs < 1246647634 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urr, fungot* < 1246647635 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: omg look it up. very sad accident. but noone will care cos you so surpriced?? < 1246647659 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You don't have EMOTION! You're just a GOT! < 1246647659 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: not you and decide for yourself. we're all intittled to an old rob schneider skit called " orgasm guy. you can search air france < 1246647676 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did I accidentally f for fungot? I just realised I'd tab my own name before fungot < 1246647677 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: featuring:hillary clinton. the accident and find out for you. at least 50 journalists on board, so f ' em for nothing < 1246647680 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/name/nick/ < 1246647707 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think i should update that fungot database < 1246647708 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: who said you had a trailer, the pilot went to jail for months, to illegal futures trades, six crew. < 1246647727 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this IS going to take a while < 1246647744 0 :jix!n=jix@81-223-217-34.work.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1246647772 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking for the youtube comment list AND sed scripts < 1246647780 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which made them formatted (nearly) < 1246647831 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly for doing such a stupid thing. -----### < 1246647847 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246650255 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-140-63.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1246650626 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246650991 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246654892 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1246655080 0 :tombom__!i=tombom@82.31.38.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246655589 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246656127 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246656128 0 :tombom__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tombom < 1246657224 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1246657693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1246657889 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246657915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:48:31 I am fucking off now. WTF is this smiley graphic it keeps trying to complete: O.O ? I'll check the logs to see. Buh-bye for now. Especially you, Associat0r (yep, nick completion works). < 1246657916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:48:39 --- quit: ehirdiphone (Client Quit) < 1246657917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:50:35 what? < 1246657931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was testing out (a) my new iPhone IRC client, (b) the iPhone OS upgrade I did. < 1246657938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It now has copy and paste, so I tried that. < 1246657943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am fucking off now." = "Bye." < 1246657952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then when I typed "o", it tried to complete it to a smiley graphic. < 1246657960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I tried that and checked the logs and saw it was O.O. < 1246657971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I tested nick completion with a long nick that just entered. < 1246657972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The end. < 1246658016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1246658016 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8| GKennethR: he should be told that you should always ask someone before killing them. < 1246658052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1246658053 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1| I've always wanted to kill someone. >.> < 1246658056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1246658056 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :24| ehird has gone insane, clearly. < 1246658064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insanity and murder. < 1246658070 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ghc < 1246658072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two great tastes that taste great together. < 1246658076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: !haskell < 1246658079 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc < 1246658085 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no \bot < 1246658116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, it died. I'll ask gwern to return it. < 1246658141 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why I suggested somebody run their own instead of relying on the suicidal one < 1246658147 0 :FunctorSal!n=ohno@p4FD8A179.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246658150 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ask them to put #esoteric in the proper initialization list... < 1246658162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Meh :P < 1246658173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The suicidal one is the "official" one and anyway compiling lambdabot is a pain. < 1246658183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: I espy your #haskell origins. < 1246658203 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's "official" but that doesn't really matter < 1246658205 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is a point < 1246658215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's not a given. it could be a real category theorist. < 1246658222 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is this about strange languages or crystals and stuff? ;) < 1246658230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But I just said #esoteric in #haskell and e's in there. < 1246658233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: the former < 1246658240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: The former, although the latter if you believe some kooks that enter here occasionally. < 1246658261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Cue Sussman: "We conjure the spirits of the computer with our spells!") < 1246658271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you've seen http://esolangs.org/wiki/, that's us. < 1246658292 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ehird is right; I also like CT, but wouldn't call myself a real category theorist yet ;) < 1246658307 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1246658612 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((*)(*))(~:^*a~^Sa*~:^):^ < 1246658613 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************ ...too much output! < 1246658618 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1246658626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((*)(*))(~:^*a~^( )*Sa*~:^):^ < 1246658626 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ********************* ********************************** ******************************************************* ***************************************************************************************** ********************************************************************************* ...too much output! < 1246658648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fibonacci sequence? Spiffy. < 1246658660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like the fibonawesome. < 1246658681 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like wtf < 1246658709 0 :phearle!n=phearle@24.63.120.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246658723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: Welcome to Esoteric. < 1246658730 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1246658733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a lowercase e. < 1246658736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION passes crystals over the Brainfuck compiler < 1246658747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phearle: sheesh, you're one of the #haskell people too? < 1246658748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Lies and deceit, good ſir. < 1246658753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too many! Too many! < 1246658757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ChanServ agrees with me. < 1246658792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm a #haskell parson now. < 1246658792 0 :phearle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not particularly :) < 1246658794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i recall there is someone (CESSMASTER?) who usually joins #ESOTERIC < 1246658798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Alan Parsons? < 1246658804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1246658805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phearle: oh? < 1246658817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phearle: so where you from in particular then. that brought you here. < 1246658826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HARDCORE ESOTERICISM < 1246658850 0 :phearle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw this room mentioned in the channel, if that is what you are referring to. < 1246658856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, right. < 1246658862 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what an unfortunate fetish to have! < 1246658874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you're here for the weird languages and not the "magick", this is the right place. < 1246658884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird is always right. it's right there in his nick, if you reverse it and correct it a tiny bit. < 1246658888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, assuming you like channels that are offtopic 98.7% of the time. < 1246658920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: drihe → ridhe → righe → right. < 1246658922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like your logic. < 1246658950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my logic is always right too. < 1246658958 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my assumptions, not so much. < 1246658996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have a wonderful set theory < 1246659002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZF+AoC+Bible < 1246659009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZF set theory, plus the axiom of choice, plus all of the bible. < 1246659043 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you could tone it down to just predicate logic + bible < 1246659056 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only need one inconsistency after all < 1246659076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But everyone knows ZF+AoC are true. < 1246659083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone knows the Bible is true, too; it says so. < 1246659120 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gödel might have a bit of quibble with that. < 1246659128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if he weren't dead. < 1246659154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gödel is being tortured in an eternal lake of fire for his sins. < 1246659157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P.S. Jesus loves you! < 1246659173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and he _still_ considers it an improvement. < 1246659179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly. < 1246659183 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? wasn't Gödel pretty religious? < 1246659187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: Shut up. < 1246659188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1246659190 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea < 1246659200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was paranoid, anyway < 1246659208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only in his later life. < 1246659210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I loved the whole "my food might be poisoned so I won't eat anything" schtick. < 1246659213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way to fail at probability! < 1246659214 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't know how religious he was in everyday life, but I think he made a god-proof < 1246659223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you ARE being conspired against it's a net loss... < 1246659240 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that one. < 1246659272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Gödel was a convinced theist and a lifelong Christian. He rejected the notion that God was impersonal, as Einstein believed. He believed firmly in an afterlife, stating: .I am convinced of the afterlife, independent of theology. If the world is rationally constructed, there must be an afterlife."' < 1246659303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how they just assert how it's obviously rationally so. < 1246659316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the ontological argument, too; I wished myself a perfect fortune that way. < 1246659361 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would that be? < 1246659365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: Quantum immortality fucking sucks as the probability of you going into a terrible coma only to wake up one second every billion years increases rapidly vs your chance of dying. < 1246659375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: two of 'em < 1246659375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. God is something of which nothing greater can be thought. < 1246659376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. God may exist in the understanding. < 1246659378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. It is greater to exist in reality and in the understanding than just in understanding. < 1246659380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. Therefore, God exists in reality < 1246659382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1246659384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. God is the entity of which nothing greater can be thought. < 1246659386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. It is greater to be necessary than not. < 1246659388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. God must therefore be necessary. < 1246659390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. Hence, God exists necessarily. < 1246659401 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referring to 'perfect fortune' :) < 1246659404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1246659406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It went like this: < 1246659423 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how did you paste that so rapidly anyway? got it on a hotkey? :D < 1246659452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ... How very null. < 1246659461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. The Perfect Fortune is an entity that is the $1,000,000,000 of which nothing great can be thought (in the subset of $1,000,000,000s). 2. The Perfect Fortune may exist in the understanding. 3. It is greater to exist in reality and in the understanding than just in understanding. 4. Therefore, The Perfect Fortune exists in reality < 1246659463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M RICH!!!!!! < 1246659466 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-10-200.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1246659475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm forgot to specify it was mine < 1246659476 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246659478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever, trivial change < 1246659490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: copy and paste from wikipedia skillz < 1246659512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had the article Gödel's ontological proof open anyway < 1246659514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it links to it < 1246659529 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strategically, I wouldn't argue with pure existance proofs for god. Ask them why it should be a god that imposes rather than some other god < 1246659533 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*existence < 1246659569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't argue with theists about their religion because arguing against baked-in delusions justified by "faith" is incredibly difficult. :p < 1246659661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, I could've sworn that most religions were, by their very nature, untestable. < 1246659675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what was that a response to? < 1246659684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plenty of delusions are inherently unprovable and untestable. < 1246659691 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poorly phrased response to that conversation. < 1246659699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, believing something of the sort is true is a category of delusion. < 1246659726 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think throwing around insults like that convinces anyone < 1246659735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: I am not intending to insult everyone. < 1246659736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1246659737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone. < 1246659769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call certain beliefs delusions because they meet all criteria and I don't make an exception to how I say things for religion just because the standard cultures do. < 1246659778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And calling a belief delusional is not a knock on the believer in any way. < 1246659824 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not maladaptive in the way paranoid psychosis is < 1246659850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paranoid psychosis is not the only other delusion... < 1246659859 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's even an advantage because you are more motivated < 1246659865 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as a religious person) < 1246659900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: say someone had a deep conviction that every quark is actually made up of undetectable gnomes, and that by making these gnomes happy, we can improve our life. they also refuse to debate this matter with you, saying it angers the gnomes. < 1246659905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely you would recognize this as delusional? < 1246659918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Religion is just the same, except it seems less wacky because we're used to it. < 1246659999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++++++[->++++>++++++++>>>++++<<<<<]>>>+>+>[-<[->>+<<]<[-<.>>+<]<<.>>>>>[-<<+<+>>>]<] < 1246659999 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ @ @@ @@@ @@@@@ @@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ < 1246660019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not bad. < 1246660028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine you could get that a bit more efficient, though. < 1246660052 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sure, but I mean not all religious people are in generally-delusional state of mind < 1246660062 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fibonacci? < 1246660070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can believe a delusion but still be otherwise sane < 1246660071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1246660074 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(understanding 'delusional' to be more a state of mind than something about specific beliefs) < 1246660110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's both. < 1246660245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001283.html ← I love how Jeff Atwood is egotistical enough to think that his pet site absolutely needs 48GB of RAM to run. < 1246660381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++++++[->++>>>++++++++>++++<<<<<]>>+>+<<[->[-<<+>>]>[->.<<+>]>>.<<<<<[->>+>+<<<]>] < 1246660381 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ @ @@ @@@ @@@@@ @@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ < 1246660397 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no u < 1246660440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm reversing the cells didn't make much difference < 1246660717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... < 1246660980 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, lovely comment, no? http://www.reddit.com/r/java/comments/8xz6s/cobol_to_java_automatic_migration_with_gpled_tools/ < 1246661010 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gives commenter une monad* < 1246661061 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anything not COBOL is good. language gave me a headache trying to read ;_; < 1246662041 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1246662261 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246662332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi augur. < 1246662339 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1246662355 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ehird < 1246662536 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246662608 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246662686 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o < 1246662774 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 48G of RAM? < 1246662783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Is he storing the site in RAMdisk? < 1246663358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly < 1246663676 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, is there a general word for the things a programming language can do? < 1246663687 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of a mix of instruction-function-what have yous < 1246663703 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although for some I guess it's hard to speak of any of this < 1246663710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GuestShadowSkunk: Operation? < 1246663715 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the game of life or related things. < 1246663717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only works for imperatives, I guess < 1246663717 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1246663727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With functional languages you never do. < 1246663729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just reduce. < 1246663744 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, functional languages you can speak of functions < 1246663759 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wondered if there's a general word for that < 1246663947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functions < 1246663993 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a good description is like < 1246664008 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is sort of tautological but < 1246664080 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional programming is about deriving related data, imperative is about changing data, and declarative is about discovering related data < 1246664106 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess you could say that the things that languages can do is change, derive, or discover < 1246664130 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i dont think theres a single word to describe this, because i think they're really fundamentally different things < 1246664131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional is a subset of declarative < 1246664136 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1246664138 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a sense < 1246664141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1246664142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strictly < 1246664152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your analogy doesn't account for that < 1246664158 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its also a subset of procedural :P < 1246664218 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is that in terms of how you think about coding < 1246664239 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional is more about deriving new data, rather than discovering related data < 1246664264 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :declarative is all about discovering what exists, not deriving what you know must exist < 1246664295 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brbrbrbrb < 1246664622 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: "Computing quantums". < 1246664764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: functional != subset of procedural < 1246664797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you're thinking of logical languages when you say declarative < 1246664801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :declarative is just what-not-how < 1246665039 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq : how do you do for languages that are just strings of symbols on a set of rules? < 1246665044 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Number of rules? < 1246665106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I guess. < 1246665127 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What of Thu? < 1246665192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it be quantised? < 1246665203 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. < 1246665221 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could say it only has one thing, without the io, but Iunno < 1246665259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ha, I thought you meant literal quantum particles < 1246665267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was intentionally over-generic < 1246665332 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ofcourse functional is a subset of procedural < 1246665335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, no. Quantising computing like that would be a bit different. And interesting. ;) < 1246665339 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional is procedures that dont mutate state < 1246665344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: You misunderstand what procedural style i < 1246665345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1246665347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :procedural languages needn't have first-class functions < 1246665351 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, STYLE < 1246665358 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is different, yes true < 1246665365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1246665368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant paradigm < 1246665368 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C, for example, is quite a procedural language. < 1246665370 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even then, functional isnt really a subset of declarative < 1246665376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :procedural is generally just used to mean imperative < 1246665378 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because functional still defines how < 1246665379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: it is, though < 1246665388 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not having first class function is bat shit insane < 1246665388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it strictly is a subset, most all classifications agree < 1246665393 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+s < 1246665401 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*troll* ;) < 1246665405 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then its an odd definition of declarative < 1246665407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, i agree < 1246665410 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since functional definitions are not how at all < 1246665413 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: There's a number of languages that are bat-shit insane. < 1246665416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: when you say 'declarative', you're meaning 'logical' < 1246665420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logical languages infer data from rules < 1246665421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose a language like Lisp is, in theory, a subset of Prolog in terms of the sorts of things you can do with it < 1246665425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need never backtrack, after all < 1246665430 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose, ehird. < 1246665430 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, C++ is soon going to cease to be bat-shit insane by that notion. < 1246665431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Lisp is powerful for other reasons < 1246665437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no it's not < 1246665443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's going to not fulfill one criterium < 1246665451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that criterium never claimed exclusivity < 1246665454 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by Declarative\Logic < 1246665463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but atm, C++ is a pretty good definition of insane < 1246665466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Fair enough. < 1246665474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: declarative languages are not the same as logical ones < 1246665478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, even Perl has its own sort of internal logic < 1246665478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logical is-subset-of declarative < 1246665480 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1246665482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional is-subset-of declarative < 1246665484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imperative is not < 1246665485 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1246665487 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1246665492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does behavioural go? < 1246665492 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by Declarative\Logic < 1246665500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1246665503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Declarative\Logic"? < 1246665507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah; "shell scripts on crack" is at least a design decision. < 1246665516 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. Declarative Set-Minus Logic < 1246665517 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1246665522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :declarative is pretty much "all languages where you don't describe what to do in order" < 1246665535 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but by that definition, VHDL is declarative < 1246665541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: functional, some part of behavioural (not the reactionary code which may be imperative) < 1246665545 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok, so you mean languages without time ordering < 1246665545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it might be, that's a good classification < 1246665546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :array < 1246665556 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. well in that case ok. < 1246665556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: well, that's a definition that almost fits < 1246665564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VHDL is time-ordered, but you have to do it manually < 1246665567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not do a; do b; do c < 1246665578 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Functional can be considered a declarative language because there is no requirement that the function definition have anything to do with how its results are computed. < 1246665580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's whenever a changes, b changes 10 seconds later < 1246665589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Erm. Subset of declarative. < 1246665594 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ehird: for what X does Functional + Logic + X = Declarative?