< 1247443209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you combine with me you'll insert random words accidentally! < 1247443215 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you complain about MY english! < 1247443217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With your powers combined, I am CAPTAIN PLANET! < 1247443224 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EARTH < 1247443225 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIRE < 1247443226 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WIND < 1247443228 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WATER < 1247443230 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEART < 1247443236 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BY YOUR POWERS COMBINED < 1247443236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no < 1247443239 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM CAPTAIN PLANET < 1247443244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LACK OF HOMONYM DISTINGUISHING < 1247443250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT < 1247443251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's start over < 1247443251 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1247443259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABILITY TO NOT DISTINGUISH HOMONYMS < 1247443263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABILITY TO NOT RECOGNIZE SYMBOLS < 1247443266 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which homonyms < 1247443271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABILITY TO NOT AVOID INSERTING RANDOM WORDS < 1247443275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BY YOUR POWERS COMBINED < 1247443276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM CAPTAIN PLANET < 1247443279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ backlog < 1247443292 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1247443300 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silhouettes are not symbols. < 1247443305 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're depictions. < 1247443308 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a difference. < 1247443313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waaaaaaah i'm augur and i'm a pedant who hates funny < 1247443324 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was rather funny actually < 1247443329 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the word choice was wrong < 1247443354 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its funnier if you realize that symbolic intelligence is distinctly human, while silhouette recognition is something even lowly reptiles can do < 1247443372 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1247443413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's irrelevant to it < 1247443426 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes an angry post about the Monty Hall Problem. < 1247443511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: are you really able to get angry about that? < 1247443522 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION predends to make an angry post about how Warrigal ignores the subtleties of the Monty Hall Problem. < 1247443530 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pretends < 1247443563 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, I'm not. < 1247443594 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit smug, perhaps. < 1247443607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit? < 1247443790 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And precisely the point I'm making has been made, probably in more detail, eighteen years ago. < 1247443798 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1247444063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmw < 1247444074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna buy a box, put openbsd on it < 1247444082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give it a hugely phat internet pipe < 1247444083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so no ddos) < 1247444087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deny everything in the firewall < 1247444090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from web traffic < 1247444099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run a server that rejects ANY invalid http at first sight < 1247444105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only serves static pages extremely securely and quickly < 1247444109 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247444112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then put a huuuuuuuuuge library of exploits on there < 1247444114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and taunt anti-sec < 1247444121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:) < 1247444187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, put some anti-ddos crap on there < 1247444189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case they try < 1247444584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html < 1247444585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME < 1247444591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find latex symbols by drawing them < 1247444900 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247444907 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1247444960 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: BTW, "a server that rejects ANY invalid http at first sight" -- I believe that OpenBSD's patched Apache will suffice. < 1247444988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Apache is far too big to trust like that. < 1247445020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apache 2 is, yes. < 1247445040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is Apache 1. < 1247445044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking thttpd sort of thing. < 1247445074 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall that OpenBSD did regular security audits of their Apache. < 1247445082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1247445090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Few lines of Haskell, then? < 1247445111 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1247445123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: they may well do; that won't help against anti-sec's undisclosed exploits < 1247445126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not trust Haskell in this system. < 1247445130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even gcc < 1247445150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you don't trust OpenBSD. < 1247445152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247445155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenBSD, smallest system possible, locked-down firewall apart from web traffic, extremely minimal, extremely hardened static web server, simple anti-DDOS measures < 1247445164 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247445166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about as trustable as you can get < 1247445178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no ssh access either; configure it before coloing it) < 1247445197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... You're making it more secure than OpenBSD is outside of the box. < 1247445203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is... Impressive. < 1247445217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*out of the box < 1247445239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'd enjoy imagining their acne-filled faces swelling up into a fury. < 1247445249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HOW DARE THEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!" < 1247445291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest starting with thttpd and hardening that. < 1247445433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: < 1247445434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 9,758 < 1247445439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thttpd 2.25b < 1247445447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 29 dec 03 < 1247445456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's not exactly small < 1247445465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not sure i'd trust unmaintained software THAT much < 1247445563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ideas for a base: boa, fnord < 1247445571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord uses djb-style stuff < 1247445574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is probably quite secure < 1247445576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's also very fast < 1247445600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boa is a bit unmaintained and slower than fnord < 1247445610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: otoh, then we need to trust both openbsd libs AND the djb libs < 1247445649 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the OpenBSD libs are probably more trustable. < 1247445717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: considering djb's security recodr that's not necessarily true < 1247445750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok, it depends on dietlibc and libowfat < 1247445753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1247445755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it includes libowfat < 1247445772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fefe.de/libowfat/ is a reimplementation of libdjb under GPL < 1247445779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diet libc everyone knows < 1247445785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hey, can OpenBSD use dietlibc by default? < 1247445790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you could reduce the things to trust < 1247445800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esp. if they have a maintained fnord < 1247445802 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it has its own libc. < 1247445808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even an option? < 1247445821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think that nobody's even tried porting other libcs to it. < 1247445848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides which, nuking the libc gets rid of the address space randomization of its malloc. < 1247445974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1247446003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but fnord in itself comes to 1,953 SLOC < 1247446013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the distribution perl and shell scripts :P < 1247446016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,894 of C < 1247446052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: although libowfat is 12,464, it's questionable how much is actually used in fnodr < 1247446114 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But LOC is a bad measure. < 1247446141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The easier to audit, the more trustable you can heuristicerize. < 1247446181 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heuristicerize < 1247446198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1247446230 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define heuristicerize < 1247446232 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1247446344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define GregorR's face < 1247446345 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1247446349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two things that do not exist by GregorR's logic. < 1247446354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh—snap. < 1247446536 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define hystericize < 1247446537 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1247446608 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAS KITTY < 1247446758 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sir, that is not a kitty, that is a sewer rat < 1247446810 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then it's a big, fuzzy, pretty sewer rat. < 1247446825 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That purs. < 1247446832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1247446838 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :schemy little bugger < 1247446840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's more to a qubit than probabilityOfBeingOne, right? < 1247446846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And associated operations.) < 1247446861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, also phase < 1247446885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's helpful :D < 1247446912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, a single qubit state is a complex vector with 2 coordinates < 1247446944 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n qubits, 2^n coordinates < 1247446944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't see how that's actually related to a qubit, though < 1247446954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that one qubit is just a probability of being 1 or 0 < 1247446962 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course there's entanglement. < 1247446997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Uhh, that's accounted for. < 1247447006 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the problem is that that gives you no help when collecting more than one qubit together < 1247447023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a|0> + b|1> → probability=0.5 < 1247447028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm < 1247447035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so qubits can't be [Qubit]? you need to have them linked? < 1247447039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense I guess < 1247447050 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they don't communicate < 1247447097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i assume you need that for staples like Shor's algorithm, so let's ignore that < 1247447105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just wondering what a Bog Standard Qubit is < 1247447211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a and b complex numbers as above, with |a|^2 + |b|^2 = 1 < 1247447244 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and |a|^2 and |b|^2 are the probabilities of 0 and 1 respectively < 1247447287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so it's ((a,b),(c,d))? < 1247447304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1247447312 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't mention any c or d < 1247447344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "a and b complex numbers" < 1247447350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a complex number can be represented as (real,imag) < 1247447357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247447368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's ((r1,i1),(r2,i2)) < 1247447381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 :+ 3 :: Complex Double < 1247447382 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.0 :+ 3.0 < 1247447394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so "a and b complex numbers" isn't true < 1247447397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that implies two complex numbers < 1247447398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a and b < 1247447402 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247447408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so which is it? < 1247447416 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is a complex number, b is a complex number < 1247447419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1247447428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (a,b) where a = (r1,i1) and b = (r2,i2) < 1247447437 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that site with a series of numbered mysterious items? < 1247447437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and [ri][12] are reals? < 1247447443 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247447460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can said reals be uncomputable? :-D < 1247447478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in principle... < 1247447507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you won't get that if you only apply computable unitary transformations < 1247447521 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was iirc a three-letter initialism < 1247447533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: will you get rationals or computable reals? < 1247447561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: hm, might depend on your operations < 1247447573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "quantum complete" < 1247447591 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what things like shor's algorithm uses < 1247447661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: isn't that hardaadandjand gate transform + fourier "quantum complete? < 1247447662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1247447662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1247447686 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it is considered to be so? < 1247447691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helpful :D < 1247447727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so, I'm not sure how you go from (a,b) → probabilityOfOne < 1247447732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember what those are, at the moment < 1247447744 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said that, |b|^2 < 1247447755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247447757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's a used for? < 1247447764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the same as r2^2 + i2^2 < 1247447796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also |b| = abs(b)? my mathematical notation is rusty < 1247447801 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was really funny too! no-one remembers? < 1247447801 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the phase of a can still vary < 1247447807 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247447810 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no < 1247447818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: care to be more specific? < 1247447821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:16 oerjan: the phase of a can still vary < 1247447821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1247447844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: knowing |b|^2 determines |a|, but not the phase of a < 1247447852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the phase < 1247447862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stares. blankly < 1247447889 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it was about a fictional organization that had as its mission to keep artifacts with mysterious powers safe < 1247447920 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each artifact was numbered also < 1247447923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: scp < 1247447933 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCP. < 1247447935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/ < 1247447944 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secure, Contain, Protect. < 1247447964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: if you find it *funny* i think you're reading the bad ones :D < 1247447978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: |a|^2 + |b|^2 = 1 right? < 1247447980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sez wp < 1247447983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: in polar coordinates, a = |a|*e^(i*theta) < 1247447993 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/ < 1247447996 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: funny as in entertaining, not as in haha-funny < 1247448009 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCP it was! thanks! :D < 1247448017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hmm. odd usage. is that common in — *checks* — swedish? < 1247448032 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := |a|*cos(theta) + i|a|*sin(theta) < 1247448071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that just lets me determine a from |a| < 1247448074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a from nothing < 1247448079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theta can vary independently from |a| < 1247448099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well whatever < 1247448108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i saw a qubit.py that was like 70 lines < 1247448112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds far too complex for that :D < 1247448119 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i am pointing out that even if you know b, and that |a|^2+|b|^2 = 1, you don't know everything about a < 1247448128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247448132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how quantum. < 1247448163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION quantises ehird < 1247448168 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the word for funny does primarily mean funny in swedish too, but something that is entertaining is also fun < 1247448173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i'm underage. < 1247448180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: right, fun != funny < 1247448189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Okay, so you're not all that many quantums. < 1247448203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm very quantum < 1247448204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know what i mean < 1247448240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Data.Complex> (1 :+ 2) :+ (3 :+ 4) < 1247448240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::1:0: < 1247448241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (RealFloat (Complex t)) < 1247448242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww < 1247448273 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1 :+ 2) + (3 :+ 4) you mean? < 1247448276 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the second :+ should be just + < 1247448290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo < 1247448293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to make it a qubit < 1247448294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1247448304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was being silly < 1247448308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trying to use :+ as (,) < 1247448320 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that won't work reasonably < 1247448323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1247448324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247448369 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a qubit is a pair of complex numbers? or a quaternion? < 1247448373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c++ test < 1247448376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: add it. < 1247448412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Exactly what unitaries can be applied depend on the physics of the quantum device.)" < 1247448456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so it is possibly not agreed upon what quantum complete requires... < 1247448489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1247448490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247448492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmbl wikipedia locking up < 1247448656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import System.Environment < 1247448656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = mapM_ putStrLn =<< getArgs < 1247448656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs < 1247448660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include < 1247448660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(int argc, char **argv) { < 1247448662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : for (int i = 0; i < argc; i++) puts(argv[i]); < 1247448664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1247448666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We report, you decide! < 1247448688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter being bad style :) < 1247448697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter doesn't print newlines < 1247448729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: man puts < 1247448730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does. < 1247448736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1247448746 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats self -----### < 1247448800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C is about 1.9s faster, though. If you pass it 1000000 arguments. < 1247448808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247448846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you pass only a measly 100000, it's 0.179s slower. < 1247448849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the humanity < 1247448853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/./ < 1247448867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rwxr-xr-x 1 ehird staff 487K 2009-07-13 01:28 foo < 1247448867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rwxr-xr-x 1 ehird staff 13K 2009-07-13 01:32 foo2 < 1247448872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the ghc executable is KILOBYTES bigger! < 1247448873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about main = putStr . unlines =<< getArgs ? < 1247448894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's not what the C does. < 1247448904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1247448905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and writing THAT in C would be true torture < 1247449017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1247449019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first you'd have to malloc() it all < 1247449021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and expand dynamically < 1247449024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'd have to write a join function < 1247449026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which again allocates < 1247449028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and writes a whole new string < 1247449032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the haskell here would have an advantage, building bit by bit) < 1247449034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then print it < 1247449040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you combine the two steps, resulting in harder-to-read code, it's still hard < 1247449072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas the Haskell is about as easy to read as a UNIX pipeline. < 1247449081 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :putStr . unlines only describes the result though - I'd say it's perfectly sensible to write a per-character iteration or something like that instead in C < 1247449092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, it's written applicative-y < 1247449099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"getArgs >>= mapM_ putStrLn" would be pipey < 1247449112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: read up < 1247449114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did that < 1247449121 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Sure. I'm just saying it's as easy to read as a UNIX pipeline. :) < 1247449135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But unix pipelines aren't especially easy to read :P < 1247449141 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are too < 1247449144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Sure they are. < 1247449150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the trivial cases, at least. < 1247449158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial perl's easy to read too. < 1247449210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touché. < 1247449223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1247449235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (m a -> m b) -> m a -> m b < 1247449236 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Generics.Aliases ext1T :: (Data d, Typeable1 t) => (d -> d) -> (t d -> t d) -> d -> d < 1247449238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....... < 1247449242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Functor m => (m a -> m b) -> m a -> m b < 1247449242 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Generics.Aliases ext1T :: (Data d, Typeable1 t) => (d -> d) -> (t d -> t d) -> d -> d < 1247449246 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language manages to make even trivial things unreadable? < 1247449246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Applicative m => (m a -> m b) -> m a -> m b < 1247449247 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: !cxx < 1247449247 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Generics.Aliases ext1T :: (Data d, Typeable1 t) => (d -> d) -> (t d -> t d) -> d -> d < 1247449250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wiat < 1247449251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1247449252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> < 1247449255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Applicative m => (a -> m b) -> m a -> m b < 1247449256 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (=<<) :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> m a -> m b < 1247449256 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad (=<<) :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> m a -> m b < 1247449256 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (>>=) :: Monad m => m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b < 1247449262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Functor m => (a -> m b) -> m a -> m b < 1247449263 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (=<<) :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> m a -> m b < 1247449263 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad (=<<) :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> m a -> m b < 1247449263 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (>>=) :: Monad m => m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b < 1247449266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm so =<< it is then < 1247449271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:40 olsner: what language manages to make even trivial things unreadable? < 1247449274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the channel you're in < 1247449278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say one thing < 1247449279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[.,] < 1247449306 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And raise you a moo. < 1247449315 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, kind of like asking for your glasses when you already have them on < 1247449323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cxx std::vector foo("Hello", "world!"); < 1247449329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's assume that worked. < 1247449330 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1247449334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or… not. < 1247449341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cxx std::vector foo = {"Hello", "world!"}; < 1247449342 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1247449355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: better error reporting would be appreciated < 1247449439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cxx std::string elems[] = {"Hello", "world!"}; std::vector strings(elems, elems + sizeof elems); < 1247449441 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1247449442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot believe you have to do that. < 1247449444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1247449447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it includes obvious headers. < 1247449480 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cxx std::string foo = "Hello, world!"; < 1247449490 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: E_DONT_GIVE_A_FUCK < 1247449501 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cxx std::cout << "Hello, world!"; < 1247449503 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1247449506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Gee, remind me to never report an issue to you ever again. < 1247449520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cxx std::string fuck = "Hello, world!"; std::cout << fuck < 1247449522 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we can conclude that C++ sucks. < 1247449522 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1247449529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were saying? < 1247449535 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, it's C++, you wouldn't understand the error message anyway < 1247449539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cxx std::vector fuck; < 1247449541 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1247449547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: weren't you that one trying to replace C++? < 1247449557 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, not really < 1247449561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cxx #include ; int main() { std::vector fuck; } < 1247449564 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1247449583 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You'd need to include a literal newline there. < 1247449590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C preprocessor sucks. < 1247449593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it with !c can't you < 1247449594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1247449601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cxx int main() { std::vector fuck; }; #include < 1247449602 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1247449610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU EgoBot AND YOUR TWELVE WIVES. < 1247449611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1247449642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, let's golf lambdacat: < 1247449649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = putStr =<< getContents < 1247449654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = interact id < 1247449661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, i finished :) < 1247449686 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=interact$id < 1247449686 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, it includes iostream but not string :P < 1247449694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That $ is the same length as a space. < 1247449700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a space is semantically simpler < 1247449703 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes. < 1247449704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: std::string works, so. < 1247449704 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The problem is that there are two attempts at compiling it, and it's impossible to know which error is useful. < 1247449706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's we need. < 1247449711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: wut? howso? < 1247449715 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ is more dollary. < 1247449719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And syntactic golfing is zzzzzzzz < 1247449886 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1247449886 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1247449894 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help userinterps < 1247449894 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :userinterps: Users can add interpreters written in any of the languages in !help languages. See !help addinterp, delinterp, show | !userinterps. List interpreters added with !addinterp. < 1247449905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I have a challenge. Your script/binary will be called "test". Golf the printing of "test: <>" < 1247449906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m@main=m < 1247449908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR MOVE < 1247449915 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1247449915 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney ctcp dc drawl dubya echo ehird fudd google graph gregor hello jethro kraut num ook pansy pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck reverse rot13 sadbf sfedeesh sffedeesh sffffedeesh sffffffffedeesh slashes svedeesh swedish valspeak warez yodawg < 1247449932 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1247449933 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1247449946 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help addinterp < 1247449947 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addinterp: !addinterp . Add a new interpreter to EgoBot. This interpreter will be run once every time you type ! , and receive the program code as input. < 1247449949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test: <> < 1247449952 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I compile it once in main() and once as a whole file; if both produce an error, probably only one of those errors is useful, but it's impossible to guess which. < 1247449953 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Written in cat. < 1247449978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: xD < 1247449985 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp id lazyk I < 1247449986 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter id installed. < 1247449991 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!id foo < 1247449991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's longer than mine. (That's what she said, but.) < 1247449991 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't fork sub-program. < 1247450001 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mrrp. < 1247450011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell m@main=m < 1247450016 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp id < 1247450018 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter id deleted. < 1247450033 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show swedish < 1247450034 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh chef | fmt -w500 < 1247450043 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp id sh cat < 1247450043 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter id installed. < 1247450047 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!id foo < 1247450086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo "m@main=m">>tmp.hs;ghc --make tmp.hs;./tmp < 1247450086 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/input.19965: line 1: tmp.hs: Permission denied < 1247450103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN YOU NOT HACKEGO!!! < 1247450116 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm finding it surprisingly difficult to make a cat interpreter. < 1247450120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo "m@main=m">>tmp.hs;ghc --make tmp.hs;chmod +x tmp;./tmp < 1247450120 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/input.20007: line 1: tmp.hs: Permission denied < 1247450126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :........................................... < 1247450128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: wat < 1247450134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: are file extensions ignored? < 1247450150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Fail. < 1247450157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1247450161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh < 1247450163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The failure is writing tmp.hs in the first place. < 1247450167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1247450175 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!id foo < 1247450176 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1247450180 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1247450194 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hello there! < 1247450195 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello there! < 1247450200 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp bypass_ignore sh cat < 1247450200 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter bypass_ignore installed. < 1247450216 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's one of the possible names for that interpreter I didn't think of. < 1247450226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? What kind of ignorey? < 1247450230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is EgoBot ignoring the Warrigal? < 1247450290 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ehird What do you do, my eponymous friend? < 1247450291 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wut do you do, my eponymous friend? < 1247450294 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You can't write files. < 1247450295 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but presumably it allows you to bypass someone else's ignore. ;) < 1247450304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot doesn't like dogs, being written by a cat person < 1247450308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what HackEgo's for. < 1247450312 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show ehird < 1247450312 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh funetak < 1247450332 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting it to do something along the lines of: < 1247450332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!funetak I think nooga named it that because he's an idiot. < 1247450334 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what do you do < 1247450339 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : my eponymous friend < 1247450339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ehird I think nooga named it that because he's an idiot. < 1247450340 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Em tunk nooga named it that because he's an idiot. < 1247450347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp funetak sh funetak < 1247450347 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter funetak installed. < 1247450348 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1247450349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delinterp ehird < 1247450360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: That's just fmt -w thingy. < 1247450367 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247450710 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1247450731 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a such thing as log base two of aleph zero? < 1247450765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as a cardinality, anyway < 1247450784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i almost understood that < 1247450787 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think there could be, but I wanted to ask anyways. < 1247450795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1247450819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe as a surreal number, but i don't know if 2^ means the same thing there as with cardinalities < 1247450848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit, Poromenos' comment karma is 59,928 < 1247450873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his name is apropos. < 1247450880 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can have two (or any positive number) to the power of aleph zero to make aleph one < 1247450883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://freefall.purrsia.com/ :D < 1247450918 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you mean beth one, unless you assume the continuum hypothesis < 1247450931 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I mean beth one. I didn < 1247450967 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I mean beth one. I didn't actually know that "beth" to mean this was standard at all. I invented this notation too independently a long time ago and haven't heard about it since. < 1247450969 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (unwords . words) $ (\s -> case dropWhile (\x -> not (isAlpha x || isSpace x)) s of "" -> []; s' -> w : food s'' where (w, s'') = break (\x -> not (isAlpha x || isSpace x)) s') $ map toLower $ "What do you do, my eponymous friend?" < 1247450971 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `food' < 1247450985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: that is ridiculously verbose. < 1247450991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hurts to look at. < 1247451008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: beth_(n+1) = 2^(beth_n) < 1247451019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: any base cases? < 1247451024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aleph_(n+1) = minimum cardinality > aleph_n < 1247451027 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let food s = case dropWhile (\x -> not (isAlpha x || isSpace x)) s of "" -> []; s' -> w : food s'' where (w, s'') = break (\x -> not (isAlpha x || isSpace x)) s' in map (unwords . words) $ food $ map toLower $ "What do you do, my eponymous friend?" < 1247451029 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["what do you do","my eponymous friend"] < 1247451045 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, beth_0 = aleph_0 = cardinality of natural numbers < 1247451063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, how boring, i thought it was a cute factorial-like thing < 1247451077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for larger non-successors, aleph and beth are continuous (preserving limits) < 1247451081 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that the log base two of aleph_zero is well-defined but nonexistent. < 1247451084 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes that was actually my own notation too a long time ago, but I never used it because I didn't know that other people had invented it too (although I had suspected it before, but never actually known it). Yes I would know that's what "beth" is. < 1247451097 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1247451099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let expotorial 0 = 1; expotorial n = n ^ expotorial (n-1) in map expotorial [1..3] < 1247451100 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,9] < 1247451102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let expotorial 0 = 1; expotorial n = n ^ expotorial (n-1) in map expotorial [1..5] < 1247451103 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,9,262144,6206069878660874470748320557284679309194219265199117173177383... < 1247451108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some nice blowup < 1247451135 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let food s = case dropWhile (\x -> not (isAlpha x || isSpace x)) s of "" -> []; s' -> w : food s'' where (w, s'') = break (\x -> not (isAlpha x || isSpace x)) s' in unlines $ map ((" " ++) . unwords . words) $ food $ map toLower $ "What do you do, my eponymous friend?" < 1247451137 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : " what do you do\n my eponymous friend\n" < 1247451155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fact 0 = 1; fact n = n * fact (n-1); fact2 0 = 1; fact2 n = factorial n * fact2 (n-1) in map fact2 [1..5] < 1247451156 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `factorial' < 1247451160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fact 0 = 1; fact n = n * fact (n-1); fact2 0 = 1; fact2 n = fact n * fact2 (n-1) in map fact2 [1..5] < 1247451161 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,12,288,34560] < 1247451161 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, now make that into an interpreter. < 1247451164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fact 0 = 1; fact n = n * fact (n-1); fact2 0 = 1; fact2 n = fact n * fact2 (n-1) in map fact2 [1..10] < 1247451165 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,12,288,34560,24883200,125411328000,5056584744960000,183493347225108480... < 1247451171 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Appears as Jordan < 1247451172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i prefer expotorial < 1247451174 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Just kidding < 1247451179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what < 1247451184 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell 3 < 1247451185 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1247451193 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell main = print 3 < 1247451196 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1247451199 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1247451226 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a Microsoft Chat code (usually uses DATA command). I see it whenever I connect to a channel that people using Microsoft Comic Chat. I don't use it myself, though < 1247451248 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addinterp eehird haskell main = interact (let food s = case dropWhile (\x -> not (isAlpha x || isSpace x)) s of "" -> []; s' -> w : food s'' where (w, s'') = break (\x -> not (isAlpha x || isSpace x)) s' in unlines $ map ((" " ++) . unwords . words) $ food $ map toLower) < 1247451248 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpreter eehird installed. < 1247451249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: looks like the beginning of something ackermann-like < 1247451262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nobody's connected with microsoft comic chat... < 1247451269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: eehird? < 1247451269 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!eehird Well, if someone said to you, "What is that?", what would you say? < 1247451271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I deleted regular ehird < 1247451273 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that. That's why I am just kidding < 1247451280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i see < 1247451283 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot still doesn't like me. < 1247451288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, aleph_(n+1) = minimum _well-orderable_ cardinality > aleph_n, if you don't even assume the axiom of choice < 1247451293 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!eehird Well, if someone said to you, "What is that?", what would you say? < 1247451320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what we really need is f_0(x,y) = x+y, f_1(x,y) = x*y, f_2(x,y) = x^y, f_3(x,y) = not sure what it's called < 1247451325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd code it but i'm a bit lazy < 1247451335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we could do fun fun things < 1247451338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ / / < 1247451346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!eehird Well, if someone said to you, "What is that?", what would you say? < 1247451353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:15 CTCP-query unknown(DCC CHAT) from EgoBot : chat 1077849409 10052 < 1247451394 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1247451400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1247451410 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell isSpace ' ' < 1247451416 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i think that may be considered a variant of the ackermann function already < 1247451423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sudan, no? < 1247451437 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? haven't heard that name < 1247451441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for shame < 1247451442 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eats zzo38 < 1247451447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's the first non-primitive recursion thingy < 1247451485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let op 0 x y = x + y; op n x 0 = 0; op n x y = op (n-1) x (op n x (y-1)) in map (op 1) [1..] < 1247451486 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a) < 1247451487 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `... < 1247451492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1247451498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let op 0 x y = x + y; op n x 0 = 0; op n x y = op (n-1) x (op n x (y-1)) in zipWith (op 1) [1..] [2..] < 1247451499 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,6,12,20,30,42,56,72,90,110,132,156,182,210,240,272,306,342,380,420,462,5... < 1247451507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1247451510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let op 0 x y = x + y; op n x 0 = 0; op n x y = op (n-1) x (op n x (y-1)) in zipWith (op 2) [1..] [2..] < 1247451511 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,... < 1247451515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yay < 1247451519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1247451520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc < 1247451525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: hm no the sudan function doesn't equal that... < 1247451528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let op 0 x y = x + y; op n x 0 = 0; op n x 1 = x; op n x y = op (n-1) x (op n x (y-1)) in zipWith (op 2) [1..] [2..] < 1247451532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: closer, though < 1247451532 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,8,81,1024,15625,279936,* Exception: stack overflow < 1247451543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let op 0 x y = x + y; op n x 0 = 0; op n x 1 = x; op n x y = op (n-1) x (op n x (y-1)) in zipWith (op 3) [1..] [2..] < 1247451547 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,16,* Exception: stack overflow < 1247451552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1247451553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some hefty function < 1247451564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts mathematica on the job < 1247451578 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read Godel,Escher,Bach book. And I also played a text-adventure game Goose,Egg,Badger < 1247451671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yikes < 1247451678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't even calculate the first ten op[3,n,2]s < 1247451721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not even the first five < 1247451730 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have Mathematica, can you answer the Three Fundamental Questions of Mathematica Player, now? < 1247451739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: op[3, n, 2] starts {1, 4, 27, 256}, anyway < 1247451745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: which are? < 1247451778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: huh {1, 4, 27, 256} is the start of the sequence (sum of digits of n)^n < 1247451779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247451792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Write n in decimal, omit 0's, raise each digit k to k-th power and multiply. < 1247451796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also n^(initial digit of n). < 1247451798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1247451800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after an initial 1 < 1247451809 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How large a number can be entered in Mathematica and Mathematica Player, whether numbers can be pasted into Mathematica Player, and whether Mathematica Player can convert strings to expressions. < 1247451821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_operator < 1247451845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Mathematica supports bignums and arbitrary-precision reals and the like, what's that supposed to mean, what's that supposed to mean. < 1247451849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica Player doesn't let you code anything. < 1247451852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just run existing notebooks. < 1247451856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: just pirate Mathematica < 1247451862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what I di < 1247451863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1247451873 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Just install Maxima. < 1247451874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm that's sad :( < 1247451880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: don't do what pikhq says < 1247451881 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I would rather not if I can avoid it. < 1247451881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maxima is hell < 1247451885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can't do half the things mathematica does < 1247451888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: then pony up the $1,000+ < 1247451897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and support the immoral selling of unscarce goods < 1247451899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your choice < 1247451901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maxima is legal. < 1247451903 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Lisptastic. < 1247451914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Maxima is legal, and oh my god this system is awfultastic. < 1247451921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And has not the gigantic library of Mathematica. < 1247451931 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, then. < 1247451935 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Install GHC. < 1247451937 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247451943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you've used Mathematica :P < 1247451952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: really, that is too obvious to be new. i am pretty sure i also reinvented it at one point. < 1247451959 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Mathematica has ToExpression. You can't load data from files or input strings in Mathematica Player, but it doesn't say anything about ToExpression not working. < 1247451959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm well-aware that GHC is not a CAS. < 1247451982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it presumably supports everything apart from coding yourself. Okay, I have a third option now; it's free or cheap. < 1247451984 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone has the player can you test it? < 1247451993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Get into a good university that has a copy of Mathematica. < 1247451999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, get into any university and get a student discount. < 1247452046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK so what i was talking about is tetration < 1247452052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie a^a^a^a^a... < 1247452066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is much easier to compute. < 1247452070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next one appears to be 65.536 < 1247452072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*65,536 < 1247452082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1247452083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1247452087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1, 4, 27, 256, 3,125 < 1247452098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f5/Tetration_escape.gif < 1247452101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smells like mandelbrot < 1247452189 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join (^) <$> [1..] < 1247452190 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,4,27,256,3125,46656,823543,16777216,387420489,10000000000,285311670611,8... < 1247452217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ha, so op n = join (op (n-1))? < 1247452238 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1247452252 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join f x :: Expr < 1247452254 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : f x x < 1247452256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i know < 1247452264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so it only applies to tetration? < 1247452271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that op (n-1) = (^) in this cae < 1247452272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case < 1247452275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1247452276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1247452279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its because of the extra argument < 1247452279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join (+) <$> [1..] < 1247452281 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24,26,28,30,32,34,36,38,40,42,44,46,48,50,52,... < 1247452282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only covers one type of tetration < 1247452287 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cute Rock, Paper, Scissors variant: there are six choices, A, B, C, D, E, and F; and A < B, A > C, A > D, A > E, A > F, B < C, B > D, B < E, B < F, C > D, C > E, C > F, D > E, D > F, and E > F. < 1247452287 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Suxesol turing-complete? < 1247452289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: incidentally, here's the perl version of that haskell code < 1247452291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say foreach @ARGV < 1247452300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the shortest, most direct so far < 1247452316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Uhh, ask an oracle. < 1247452326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Sure, but that's Perl. < 1247452332 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking for your opinion, though. < 1247452347 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think it is turing-comlpete? Do you think it works? < 1247452360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know. It looks TC. < 1247452369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, not all of Perl is bad. < 1247452373 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing completeness is not a matter of opinion. :P < 1247452396 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but probable Turing completeness is. < 1247452397 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Sure; pretend it's shell scripting with more features and you'll do alright. < 1247452405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Or use Moose. < 1247452409 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's a matter of flavor. < 1247452412 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, tastes TC. < 1247452418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, "x foo y" being "foo (y) { x }" for a control structure is clever < 1247452430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the $_ stuff, while sometimes icky, does make for very direct code. < 1247452438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Anosmic says what? < 1247452438 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know turing complete is not a matter of opinion. I want your opinion on whether you think it is turing complete, not on whether or not it really is turing complete (unless you can prove it, in which case do prove it). < 1247452442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Moose? < 1247452445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foreach my $x (@ARGV) { say $x; } looks stupid. < 1247452448 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: D-8 NOT FAIR < 1247452473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Perl 6's object system for Perl 5; plus a shitload of CPAN modules. Postmodern. Meta-object protocol included. http://search.cpan.org/~drolsky/Moose-0.87/lib/Moose.pm < 1247452478 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you write predecessor in it? < 1247452482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Empathetically a best practice. < 1247452485 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: For the first time I realized that red wine and coffee taste exactly the same to me. I'd never had both in close proximity before, so I was like "wtf ... this is just like that coffee ... but cold" < 1247452497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, plays well with code using Perl 5's object system directly; it's an extension. < 1247452502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: ... Wine and *coffee* taste exactly the same to you? < 1247452506 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, coffee. < 1247452507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: ...what? < 1247452509 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wonder you don't like either. < 1247452517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wine is disgusting, but coffee is lovely. < 1247452521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How on earth can that work? :P < 1247452537 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm hyposmic, it severely reduces my ability to taste most beverages. Both taste like bitter, very-slightly-sour water to me. < 1247452547 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Let's see if I can, I thought of it before but now I forgot, so I will try again. < 1247452552 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, hyposmia. < 1247452554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Wine is rather tasty. < 1247452560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No. < 1247452574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You must have had shit wine. < 1247452589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just don't like the taste. That works, too... < 1247452591 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can swap two numbers on the stack and you have predecessor, I'm pretty sure it's TC. < 1247452597 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes both red wine and coffee, fwiw < 1247452612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wine and beer: It may fuck up both your mind and your liver, but you get to taste a foul taste! < 1247452623 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: What, mixed? < 1247452631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…no, not really… < 1247452669 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ... If you abuse it... < 1247452694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just don't be an idiot. < 1247452697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are you telling me you have the ability to drink alcoholic drinks and come out of it 100% unintoxicated? < 1247452703 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0!1!0@1@ can swap two numbers on the stack < 1247452739 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Like, yes? < 1247452750 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. "100% unintoxicated". < 1247452752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is an android. < 1247452767 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably count any alcohol in the blood as intoxication. < 1247452772 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So implement a tape using two integers. Double them, halve them, and test them for oddness. < 1247452775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh… no. < 1247452778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hm, can a subroutine call a later subroutine? < 1247452791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, you have infinity < 1247452839 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could make it call a later subroutine (although BlooP can't, but Suxesol doesn't say it can't, so I guess it can). < 1247452861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :store and fetch manipulate deep stack, do they? < 1247452868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: BlooP isn't TC, btw. < 1247452884 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Store and fetch manipulate the variable storage. Probably I should mention that. < 1247452891 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: But FlooP is. < 1247452902 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And FlooP is the same as BlooP except it has infinite loops. < 1247452926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1247452951 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: with a variable storage i expect you can do a minsky machine rather easily < 1247453005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a bounded tape length bf, may be even easier < 1247453101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the possibility of giving max loop times in advance should be useable for decrementing, i think < 1247453130 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next question is whether arbitrary Turing machines can be compiled into it and run in polynomial time with their original running times. < 1247453142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running times are irrelevant for TCness < 1247453144 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes that's what I was thinking too. I thought I had figured it out but I forgot. < 1247453242 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can toggle a single-bit value in a specified cell by 0!1 0@! 0@[0 0@!] (I think) < 1247453256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: that seems unlikely if you cannot get to deep stack and have ... wait < 1247453272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you have infinite number of variable cells? < 1247453272 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there isn't a term, I coin the terms "repaliant" and "polynomially Turing complete". < 1247453298 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two stacks is as efficient as one tape. < 1247453314 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes there is a infinite number of variable cells (since numbers are unbounded, if the cell's address is a number then it would be assumed the infinite number of variable cells) < 1247453332 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF-style doubling and halving are not as efficient as constant-time pushing and popping. < 1247453342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: but an integer that can only be incremented cannot implement either a stack or a tape polynomially < 1247453366 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in that case i think an unbounded brainfuck tape length is also possible < 1247453377 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then find a way to decrement it. < 1247453391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: er, decrementing doesn't help either < 1247453406 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you said polynomially. < 1247453417 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case I have no objection to anything you said. < 1247453423 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1247453473 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have figured out the function for decrementing the number: 0 0!0[0@[+]1 0!] If I have mistake please notify. < 1247453473 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and that should also make it possible to do it polynomially as Warrigal suggested < 1247453491 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait hm < 1247453494 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no, I just realized I wrote it wrong. < 1247453496 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that I don't grok it. < 1247453503 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ... yes i think you can < 1247453506 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will fix it and re-post it. < 1247453551 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think a bounded cell but unbounded tape length brainfuck implementation with polynomial efficiency may be possible < 1247453587 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait even unbounded might be, the decrementing is bad but not superpolynomial... < 1247453611 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I wrote it right now. < 1247453619 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 0!0 1![1@0@[+]1 0!]1@ < 1247453627 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now is it right? < 1247453812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x y ! stores number x in variable y? < 1247453845 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes < 1247453876 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see the point of cell 1 there, it is always made 0 < 1247453912 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry I think I wrote it wrong again. < 1247453943 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0!0 1![1@0@[+]1!1 0!]1@ < 1247454011 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[+] essentially sums the two numbers on top of stack, doesn't it < 1247454028 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1247454085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1247454169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's correct < 1247454225 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1247455389 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Mathematica Player, it says all interactive content must be generated with the Manipulate command, it says InputField[x,Number] works normally. Does it mean InputField has to be inside of a Manipulate? < 1247455436 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1247455631 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this Mathematica code valid: ToExpression[FromCharacterCode[RealDigits[InputField[0,Number],128]]] < 1247455973 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this code is better: Manipulate[ToExpression[FromCharacterCode[RealDigits[codes,128]]],{codes}] < 1247455992 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't know, because I don't know Mathematica very well I just try to read the documentation and try to figure it out. < 1247456065 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"(Who cares?)" < 1247456986 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247457139 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1247457178 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, the demonstration guidelines says that InputField is not supported by Mathematica Player but the other page says it does but only numbers. Someone should fix the inconsistency < 1247457194 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247457725 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1247458210 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247458826 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247458843 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247459534 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247459712 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1247459951 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1247460518 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247461528 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1247461904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay xkcd :D < 1247461991 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1247462917 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get a coherent tab system. < 1247462966 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a poll along those lines. "What data structure are your tabs: a queue, a stack, or a map?" < 1247462976 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is tvtropes < 1247462978 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sad, for my tabs were a map. < 1247462993 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loses a mandible floorward. < 1247463034 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood_: RUN, RUN AWAY < 1247463062 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I've put some minimal thought to it, and decided that I should use my tabs as a queue. < 1247463065 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, a stack. < 1247463100 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because while a queue guarantees that every page will be visited, this doesn't compare to the topology preservation a stack provides. < 1247463149 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1247463162 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: that's my philosophy too < 1247463171 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood_: back when i discovered tvtropes, i was on IE6 with no tabs, so it got to be a stack by necessity. let's just say i rarely ever got back to the top. < 1247463185 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, bottom < 1247463201 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what is it anyway < 1247463219 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bottomless internet pit < 1247463223 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a wiki < 1247463274 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about tropes < 1247463297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it expanded way beyond tv long before i got to it) < 1247463411 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trope_(literature) (warning, contains link to tvtropes ;D) < 1247463993 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it < 1247463997 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is so addicting < 1247464132 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're immune? good, then there is someone to rebuild civilization after we get sucked in... < 1247464167 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, i'm much less addicted now than i was in the beginning. knock on wood.) < 1247464216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's hard to remain addicted. < 1247464221 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually you read the whole thing. < 1247464231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be... < 1247464244 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood_: It's a wiki. A massive wiki. < 1247464250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With interesting things. < 1247464297 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so's wikipedia < 1247464526 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1247464560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll note that the same issue happens with that. < 1247464725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think xkcd had a comic on that too < 1247464741 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1247464752 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/214/ < 1247466320 0 :augur_!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247466320 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247466687 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1247467665 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247468034 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wolfram melting point of apples < 1247468045 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :melting point of apples \ \ Input interpretation: \ \ apples \ Result: \ \ melting point \ \ 29.3 °C degrees Celsius \ Unit conversions: \ \ 302.5 K kelvins \ Thermal properties: \ \ melting point optimal storage temperature specific heat \ \ 29.3 °C 1.5 °C 3.64 J g °C \ \ Generated by Wolfram|Alpha (www.wolframalpha.com) < 1247468092 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it use forward slashes and collapse them when you have multiple in a row. < 1247468115 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :melting point of apples // Input interpretation: // apples / Result: // melting point // . . . < 1247468156 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION licks a stamp and sticks it to GregorR's transparent, glossy exterior. < 1247468202 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION read that as posterior. or something close. < 1247468214 0 :darthnuri!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1247468259 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Apples, melting on your tongue!" < 1247468382 0 :jix!n=jix@77-20-205-106-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1247468446 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sticks a stamp to oerjan's caput anterius. < 1247468531 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247470690 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247471042 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247471999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1247472000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1247473198 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247475911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah at xkcd today < 1247475913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so true < 1247476201 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-28-64.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1247476881 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247477116 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247478557 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1247478775 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1247479370 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1247480276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1247480280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1247480286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd is great today! < 1247480656 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't < 1247480716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, uh? < 1247480722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think so < 1247480731 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tvtropes realisation isn't novel < 1247480748 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the duplication of the panels with changes rung on interested noises < 1247480751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, um... I have never had that problem before tvtropes < 1247480759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I completely agree with xkcd today < 1247480767 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man people have been talking about it ever since the web was invented < 1247480779 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the whole point behind """surfing the web""" < 1247480802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, I tend to not get lost in links while using the web < 1247480807 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people have been ascribing *that* to tvtropes ever since it opened < 1247480807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception: tvtropes < 1247480821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I disagree with you < 1247480825 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the rickrolling mention in the past panel < 1247480834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the duplication of panel is for the effect. < 1247480837 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be there solely as the xkcd version of a laugh track < 1247480858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, how do you mean? < 1247480867 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really work? < 1247480872 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it like rickrolling < 1247480897 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of rickrolling was tricking somebody into something unexpected, the basis behind a million practical jokes < 1247480922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, yes, but first time you get linked to tvtropes, the effect is unexpected < 1247480931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like wikipedia but worse < 1247480942 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you manage to ignore everyone who ever talks about it mentioning that fact < 1247480962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, first time I ran into it was before everyone talked about it < 1247480974 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you weren't tricked < 1247480978 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the analogy would be < 1247480980 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody being like < 1247480991 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY LOOK AT THIS WEBSITE IT WON'T TAKE YOU LONG TO READ IT ;) < 1247480992 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1247480994 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise < 1247481013 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOODNESS I HAVE ONLY READ A TINY PORTION OF IT AND IT HAS BEEN THREE HOURS, WHAT A TREMENDOUS UNEXPECTED TRICK!!! < 1247481020 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1247481030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, quite plausible for tvtropes < 1247481039 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not... really < 1247481045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, I pulled that trick on someone else actually. < 1247481053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back around then < 1247481057 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations, you are as terrible as randall munroe < 1247481066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, thanks :) < 1247481095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, it wasn't a very nice person, someone even worse than ehird < 1247481099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1247481159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why ripping this cd is so slow < 1247481174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is spinning at like 3x... < 1247481181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drive is 48x btw < 1247483173 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c8F99BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1247484469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1247484478 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247484561 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247484768 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247484889 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1247484918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1247485037 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-15-53.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247485192 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247485400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:18:06 xkcd is great today! < 1247485405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you like the worst xkcd in ages < 1247485414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1247485415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and find great delight enough to share this! with exclamation marks! and "hahah" < 1247485420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the most obnoxious "hahah" < 1247485430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you claim authority on comic rankings. < 1247485430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psh < 1247485435 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247485441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't. But you shouldn't claim that either. < 1247485464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247485648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : even the most ? "hahah" <-- how do you mean obnoxious < 1247485651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1247485655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy-paste fail < 1247485662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : even the most obnoxious "hahah" <-- how do you mean obnoxious? < 1247485664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I meant < 1247485668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so selection fail < 1247485670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:43 ehird: even the most obnoxious "hahah" < 1247485673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/hahah/so true/ < 1247485681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um? < 1247485683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mean < 1247485704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so true" in response to a piece of alleged humour is among the most retardedly obnoxious phrases the human race can procure < 1247485718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, but you said "hahah" not "so true" < 1247485728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:47 ehird: 11:43 ehird: even the most obnoxious "hahah" < 1247485729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:47 ehird: s/hahah/so true/ < 1247485730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd mistake to make < 1247485742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I said hahah the line before < 1247485756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1247485766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well < 1247485834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your rip is slow because you're using cdparanoia and it reads everything N times. < 1247485894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah right < 1247485905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/and it/which/ < 1247485931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it did find some issues though... man page says a + on the progress bar means "Unreported loss of streaming/other error in read" < 1247485935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that means < 1247485938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.plextoramericas.com/index.php/dvd-rw ;; damn, the plextor site is 1990s < 1247485942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I had three of them < 1247485991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : A plus indicates not only frame jitter, but an unreported, uncorrected loss of streaming in the middle of an atomic read operation. That is, the drive lost its place while reading data, and restarted in some random incorrect location without alerting the kernel. This case is also corrected by Paranoia. < 1247486009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/faq.html#progbar < 1247486071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you have any e's, X's, *'s or V's, the rip is not perfect < 1247486084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a !, it's been corrected, but your drive or disc are probably FUBAR. < 1247486087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple < 1247486099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and thus other instances will go undetected) < 1247486131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247486169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "frame jitter" < 1247486175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what does it actually mean < 1247486186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that two blocks overlapped properly, but they were skewed (frame jitter). < 1247486191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Physically, it means that your CD jittered. < 1247486195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, the laser. < 1247486197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever. < 1247486198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247486230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:54 ehird: AnMaster: if you have any e's, X's, *'s or V's, the rip is not perfect < 1247486233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I retract this for X's < 1247486243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a good drive and it can detect X's all the time, it'll be the best you'll get < 1247486260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh ripping properly is such a pain that piracy is easier :) < 1247486261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only had + < 1247486265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the other ones < 1247486289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the rip is fine < 1247486321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I love the smiley thingy < 1247486430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relatedly: 8-| is the same situation as !, ;-( is the same as eX*V. < 1247486450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ;-( is same as V only it seems < 1247486457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:54 ehird: AnMaster: if you have any e's, X's, *'s or V's, the rip is not perfect < 1247486460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant it's in the same family < 1247486541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION listens to http://musicbrainz.org/release/c4479a37-6830-4f3d-8091-b29e173050a5.html < 1247486567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the musicbrainz website as a URI for music? < 1247486569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :track 4 to be specifc, very nice. < 1247486570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a new one < 1247486576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it seems accurate enough < 1247486579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean http://musicbrainz.org/track/d57d37d0-4318-42d6-9967-60aed46315bc.html < 1247486585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, correct. < 1247486588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1247486597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247486611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it isn't very good for actually talking about the tracks and such hm < 1247486615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much clicking < 1247486625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good for general info about the cd or such though < 1247486648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: everything's one click away < 1247486668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, two clicks: right click link, select "open in browser" < 1247486683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the cd requires that too < 1247486690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what kind of client doesn't open links in browsers when you click them? < 1247486691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true < 1247486700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ctrl + click works too < 1247486704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hurr, clicking should... um... make the link turn pink." < 1247486706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, any sane < 1247486709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1247486712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it should? < 1247486712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that sane < 1247486720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not pink isn't sane! < 1247486725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is click-to-open-URL-in-browser ever not sane < 1247486739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I often click in the window just to focus it < 1247486744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes that happens to be a link < 1247486754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: os x separates focus clicks and inside clicks < 1247486759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and often I want to select the link instead < 1247486762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally you'd have the same issue with a browser too; that's an X11 problem < 1247486765 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: all OSes do that, even Windows < 1247486767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you do the same for the browser? < 1247486774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no? < 1247486777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: apparently AnMaster begs to differ. < 1247486786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it doesn't work that way in the browser for some reaso < 1247486788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reason* < 1247486789 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the client's set up to open links even on focus clicks < 1247486798 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably is a bad idea < 1247486803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically, you're saying, "insane clients that do X are insane". < 1247486808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a very silly thing to do. < 1247486812 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the fix is "open only on non-focusing clicks" rather than "don't open links on clicks at all" < 1247486819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't know... < 1247486845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often want to copy the link instead < 1247486847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to wget it < 1247486852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar < 1247486854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right click, copy link. < 1247486860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, huh? < 1247486874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, often end of link detection is imperfect too < 1247486883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider a link followed by a . < 1247486886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Select the misdetected end, drag to other end of link. < 1247486889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes that is actually part of the url < 1247486925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a screenshot of the Copy URL item: < 1247486934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1247486936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't enter the screenshot < 1247486938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1247486939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION now listens to http://musicbrainz.org/track/9a6e1605-55e3-4e3c-bae5-290f006a5e65.html < 1247486948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, if you right click on a link you can get a copy URL or whatever, option < 1247486978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is there too *shrug* < 1247486996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use klipper to do it. < 1247487034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when in text mode that is < 1247487059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I just have to double-click the url < 1247487081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but atm I'm using a GUI client on the bouncer < 1247487085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as well as ERC) < 1247487129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone remembers "microsoft chat"? < 1247487206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has come to your mind because zzo38 mentioned it yesterday. < 1247487208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks for his sleeve with http://musicbrainz.org/release/c81f9a16-d42e-40d9-aa87-15f11767a644.html in < 1247487215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I missed that < 1247487225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just considering what on earth a "GUI irc client" is < 1247487231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really it sounds rather strange < 1247487239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering it is just a text window really < 1247487257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comics mode in MS chat must be a "GUI" client though < 1247487302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even missed zzo was here yesterday < 1247487306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you are using a GUI irc client. it uses shitty control code characters to paint (a) a pane with a label, (b) a window with text, with formatting (irc colours, separating nicknames/times etc) and URLs. < 1247487314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (c) a rich input field < 1247487315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd sleeve* < 1247487321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (d) a status line < 1247487334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um, atm I'm actually using xchat < 1247487336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use a fancy one like WeeChat, maybe even a list of items, i.e. the users in the channel. < 1247487341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: then why are you wondering what a GUI irc client is/ < 1247487343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1247487355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm wondering if xchat is really that much "GUI" < 1247487367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to comics panels < 1247487414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many GUI applications are minimalist < 1247487442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, all curses programs tend to be almost entirely uniformly restricted GUIs grafted on to a vt100 < 1247487477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1247487534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw I had to either add nearly all the classical cds I had, or at least add puids/discids to them < 1247487541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost none had puids before < 1247487553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they couldn't be automatically identified < 1247487592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247487596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for the non-classical cds it was usually no problem at all. < 1247487596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it has better coverage now. < 1247487604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, still about 30 cds to add... < 1247487608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm thinking the main thing it lacks is classical, rather than obscure music. < 1247487614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however. I will add them next time I listen < 1247487621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, was that sarcastic? < 1247487626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1247487629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247487654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad I don't like classical for the mostpart; otherwise tagging would be a bitch. < 1247487659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my plan is not to add all 30 or so in one go, but next time I take one out to listen to it anyway I will add it if missing. < 1247487660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way too complicated. < 1247487717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily they are NOT "various artists" (those are a real pain to add!).. < 1247487739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ever added any "various artists" where half of the artists were missing? < 1247487761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's never happened to me. i generally don't listen to compilations so VA cds are rare. < 1247487766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247487805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, IMO they should be renamed: complications < 1247487810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247487841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the reason i don't listen to compilations is twofold: (a) artistic sentiment blah blah blah (sort of invalid because i shuffle tracks), (b) if i get an album that has the same track, it'll be an evul duplicate) < 1247487848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since it seems the "link artist" popupish thingy got some sort of focus problems < 1247487882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah! you are missing out of the joy of classical here! < 1247487892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :collect the *best recordings of Vivaldi's music* < 1247487908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I'm rather fond of the recordings by City of London Sinfonia. < 1247487915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perforamances* < 1247487920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :performances* < 1247487929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't like classical music… (generally) < 1247487938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, then you are missing out of it < 1247487957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: by your logic, you're missing out on death metal < 1247487961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one canonical performance? Bah. < 1247487970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1247487972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are covers < 1247487976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1247488004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is still much less than for classical music, where you could consider *all of them* as covers. < 1247488023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have you know I only listen to the authentic original recording of 4'33" < 1247488034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1247488052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, isn't that the all silent one? < 1247488063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is not silence. < 1247488085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The band consists of everything present that makes noise. < 1247488097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247488100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1247488186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4′33″ is missing "In popular culture" < 1247488248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thank god for that < 1247488259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1247488266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[There was a similar recording titled: "The Best of Marcel Marceau" available in the seventies lasting a bit longer than four minutes and thirty-three seconds.]] < 1247488268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1247488286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um? < 1247488289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247488291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1247488293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because "In popular culture" is insipid and useless: http://xkcd.com/446/ < 1247488307 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.org <- Nobody cares enough to cybersquat it" < 1247488315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah I got it < 1247488325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:31 AnMaster: why? < 1247488329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't seem to follow up on that < 1247488356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1247488364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : why? < 1247488364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[There was a similar recording titled: "The Best of Marcel Marceau" available in the seventies lasting a bit longer than four minutes and thirty-three seconds.]] < 1247488364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : XD < 1247488364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : um? < 1247488364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah < 1247488365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : haha < 1247488368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: Because "In popular culture" is insipid and useless: http://xkcd.com/446/ < 1247488371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes right < 1247488377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was half thinking of something else < 1247488385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so took a second to get what you meant < 1247488463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is easy to perform 4'33" < 1247488472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a stopwatch < 1247488482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a stopwatch is cheating. < 1247488491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um < 1247488499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it says the original performance used one < 1247488508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Cage was cheating. < 1247488514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hah < 1247488516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[And then the student was enlightened.] < 1247488596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this section should be renamed "in popular culture" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4′33″#References_by_other_artists < 1247488610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd definition of popular culture < 1247488618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * In 2009 Petri Purho released "4 Minutes and 33 Seconds of Uniqueness", a computer game which can only be won by a player if they are the only person in the world playing it for four minutes and thirty-three seconds.[32] < 1247488620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1247488677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1247488934 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247490406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway 4'33" isn't classical music. < 1247490427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is if someone's playing classical music next door. < 1247490435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1247490459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway, the classical period was roughly between 1750 to 1825 according to wikipedia. < 1247490482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to use classical in the vulgar sense < 1247490499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I'm listening to music from the romantic period. < 1247490515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, time-based music classification. All music made from the 80s onwards is hereforth known as "Spatula music". < 1247490521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(roughly 1815 to 1910) < 1247490522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Makes Sense. < 1247490533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "roughly" < 1247490550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Music has no inherent relation to the time in which it was produced. < 1247490589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm not classifying it by time, but after classification you will see that the time actually does roughly match < 1247490609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am certain that there is someone out there still producing music exactly like what you'd call classical from that period. < 1247490625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, certainly < 1247490655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was the neoclassical period too < 1247490668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoclassicism < 1247490683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The termination argument behind the TAPL algorithm for subtyping of equirecursive types is not as scary as it sounds" < 1247490686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure. < 1247490699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is this haskell related < 1247490713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only insofar as Haskell has ties to type system academia. < 1247490726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247492468 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lost the Game < 1247492476 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, oh < 1247492478 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong channel < 1247492480 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever < 1247492481 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still holds < 1247492537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the Game in your face bitch < 1247493296 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Warrigal licks a stamp and sticks it to GregorR's transparent, glossy exterior. < 1247493298 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1247493448 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247493492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: ...what < 1247493513 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247493531 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, I don't like ANY of the implications of that :P < 1247493557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal and oerjan would be a perfect match, clearly. < 1247494998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, adding those "relationships" as in http://musicbrainz.org/release/c81f9a16-d42e-40d9-aa87-15f11767a644.html is a pain < 1247495008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when not bulk editing < 1247495020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to add conductors too < 1247495022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggest some UI improvements? I've only done light editing of MusicBrainz but it's been quite painless for me < 1247495031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes that would be good < 1247495042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Those tags are inconsistent though < 1247495047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how? < 1247495053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No. 2" but "No.1"/"No.2". < 1247495059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Peer Gynt. < 1247495062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some have "suite", some don't < 1247495065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the titles? yeah. I didn't add it. < 1247495068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247495076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I just added the orchestras. < 1247495080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1247495100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can see on the yellow stuff, recently edited things < 1247495106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1247495193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fixed them, vote on the edits! < 1247495212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think I'll have to make a new count. I am the notoriously unreliable at remembering such things. < 1247495214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*account < 1247495227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice if it used OpenID, although not really as I still haven't set a domain up. < 1247495261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah... you can't vote unless you had at least 10 edits accepted < 1247495264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it 5 < 1247495267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1247495271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247495275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll see if i still have my account\ < 1247495286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't vote yet because I only have one edit accepted so far. I have 45 pending ones. < 1247495289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no rejected ones < 1247495298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to disable tabbing in his browser < 1247495305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 45? wow, that's some dedication\ < 1247495308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1247495310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate this enter key < 1247495317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also it needs 3 votes to accept. times out after 2 weeks. < 1247495317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ should go above enter, not next to it! < 1247495323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAAAAAAAMN YOU TWO-LINE ENTER!!!! < 1247495345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where time out action = pass/fail based on votes < 1247495367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sorry, more than 45 now < 1247495372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Found 52 edits matching the current selection." < 1247495379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy carp < 1247495427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is non-autoedits < 1247495433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 57 autoedits too < 1247495439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.O < 1247495441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is stuff like adding puids and discids < 1247495445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you don't need voting < 1247495473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah, since half of the stuff isn't there I'm forced to do this! < 1247495485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's your fault for listening to classical :) < 1247495489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1247495526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cancelled one edit, superseded by a new edit without typo, so down to 51 open edits. < 1247495530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/pre/editor.html?userid=467550 < 1247495552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : DAAAAAAAMN YOU TWO-LINE ENTER!!!! <-- I'm used to two line enter < 1247495580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was but i now prefer the layout where the slightly larger than normal \ key is above a two-key wide enter < 1247495619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could not log in: Either the user name you entered does not exist, or the given password did not match the one stored on the server. Please try again ;; I wish sites would tell you which; it's barely any security gained < 1247495629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247495742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how long until I regret disabling tabs < 1247495909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what tabs? < 1247495922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :browser tabs < 1247496021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why disable them < 1247496047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're actually just a hack for not having a good window manager (eg pwm, fluxbox, pekwm and others can tab windows) < 1247496054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to see if i have a good window manager :) < 1247496085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Could not log in: One of these happend: a) The user name you entered does not exist. b) The given password did not match the one stored on the server. c) There was some sort of internal server error. d) Other" < 1247496099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggestion for new more ambiguous error :P < 1247496129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e) Quantum < 1247496135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1247496141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be both at once < 1247496152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no < 1247496158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The login failed because of quantum. < 1247496171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION listens to http://musicbrainz.org/track/a906855a-90ab-4ec9-bc85-fb3f1f93bef5.html < 1247496172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah < 1247496180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reënables tabs, victim to a bad window manager < 1247496186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247496190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you should script that. call it now-playing. < 1247496192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it'll be a hit. < 1247496195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone will do it. < 1247496196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, :D < 1247496218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mean, extract metadata from vlc somehow? < 1247496237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vlc as a music player? how bizarre < 1247496243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay not that bizarre < 1247496251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, except I'm playing this from a CD. And I'm using vlc to play the cd < 1247496255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1247496271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so the only info I have on it is the cddb entry < 1247496274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inside vlc < 1247496285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all it says is "Grieg - Lyric Suite, Op. 54 No.4, March of the Dwarfs" < 1247496302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I play a flac that I handled in picard already it will contain the id < 1247496330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone else never really used virtual desktops? < 1247496339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, eh? < 1247496344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, multiple workspaces < 1247496346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/never/ever/? < 1247496349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1247496350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never < 1247496352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1247496356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what you mean < 1247496357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try them every year or so and come back with the impression that it's totally useless with a non-paltry sized screen < 1247496360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use them slighly < 1247496363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just wondering if i'm weird < 1247496363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much < 1247496379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I use them a bit, but most stuff on one desktop < 1247496399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i can make the delay on hovering over the dock before it appears shorter < 1247496425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if it was linux you could always do that ;P < 1247496432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes < 1247496441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i -am- switching to linux < 1247496457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if gnome, probably by hacking the source, or by gconfedit. if KDE by some well hidden setting < 1247496472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gconf editor is fine tbh < 1247496478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think gnome has all that many source-only things < 1247496500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, bah, stop destroying fine stereotypes! < 1247496503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: with a lisp machine, by pressing whatever keycombo gives you the menu to click "Edit Source" < 1247496511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and changing it immediately :) < 1247496514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, :) < 1247496525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, by changing a (defvar dock-hover-delay ...) or whatever in the source < 1247496535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or with a gui that changes foo-bar-baz into Foo Bar Baz < 1247496537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like M-x customize does < 1247496538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1247496551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, lisp machines were pretty much system-wide emacs done right... < 1247496564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does scheme use define for both defvar and defun < 1247496594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because (define (foo x) ...) = (define foo (lambda (x) ...)) < 1247496596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lisp-1 < 1247496602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp-1? < 1247496606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :common lisp is a lisp-2, i.e. function/variable namespaces are separate < 1247496610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme is a lisp-1, i.e. one namespace for everything < 1247496611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah generations < 1247496613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1247496615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1247496617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages like python, etc are lisp-1 < 1247496619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1247496620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not lisp- < 1247496621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know < 1247496625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so number of namespaces? < 1247496626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not many things are lisp-2 < 1247496633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pretty much; with common lisp you can't do < 1247496636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mapcar function ...) < 1247496637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be < 1247496640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mapcar #'function ...) < 1247496645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugly! < 1247496647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can name variables list and still do (list 1 2 3) < 1247496648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is ugly < 1247496649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1247496656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me naming variables "lst" any day < 1247496660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess erlang is erlang-2, kind of < 1247496671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i think so < 1247496695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variables always start with a capital or _. Atoms start with lower case. BUT you can use single quotes around to make anything an atom < 1247496704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :function names must be valid atoms < 1247496726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so calling 'To be or not be a function'(X, Y, Z) works < 1247496731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is extremely bad style < 1247496758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in 3 seconds, please highlight me < 1247496765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why ehird ? < 1247496793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see if I managed to conquer LimeChat's habit of leaving Growl highlight notifications on the screen until I click them < 1247496799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did, by fixing it in the Growl settings) < 1247496802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247496809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw. I'm off for about an hour. < 1247496809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1247497071 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-192.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1247497568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Post-reboot, my mac is running happier and faster. Yay. < 1247497916 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1247498092 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But does it TASTE better? < 1247498212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Which part? < 1247498226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The exhaust is full of brown stuff. < 1247498252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1247498252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1247498254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1247498255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1247498257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' < 1247498260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1247498261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1247498264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1247498265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1247498267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1247498270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1247498272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1247498273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1247498275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1247498278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1247498279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1247498282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1247498283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1247498285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1247498287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1247498289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1247498308 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what HE said. < 1247498344 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-164-88.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1247498476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a patch you can do to put the Happy Mac logo back on your boot screen. < 1247498504 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as the olde boot sound? < 1247498516 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even sampled from one of their shit-o speakers so it'll sound right (wrong) < 1247498573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Sure, the old sound would be nice too. < 1247498655 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1247498703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION removes two partitions from disk, resizes currently-booted partition to fill their space, without any LVM stuff < 1247498710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nice to be able to do that. < 1247498713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what were they for? < 1247498722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :botched arch linux install from a while ago < 1247498729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could use the extra 9GB, i only have like 6GB free < 1247498735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1247498744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm more than 9GB if you include the swap i think < 1247498755 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAS KITTY < 1247498762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can any other OS do that, anyway? linux can with lvm < 1247498766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can it with regular partitions? < 1247498776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. partition the disk while booted into it, then resize the currently booted partition) < 1247498812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll get 10.8GB back for this, hoorah < 1247498928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleah, i can delete the linux partition but not the linux swap one < 1247498929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee < 1247499457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, i'll just leave the swap partition for now < 1247500020 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247500244 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1247500408 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1247500618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1247500626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1247500823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you like the worst xkcd in ages < 1247500833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats ehird without mercy -----### < 1247500843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S LIKE RICKROLLING BUT YOU'RE TRAPPED ALL DAY HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR < 1247500865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other analogies made by Munroe at the time include "HAVING SEX IS LIKE JUMPING OF A BRIDGE; BUT YOU'RE HAVING SEXUAL INTERCOURSE AND NOT JUMPING OF A BRIDGE." < 1247500883 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes, you can do that with normal partitions. < 1247500889 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said that? < 1247500902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's a Researched Fact. < 1247500903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Cool. < 1247500907 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1247500914 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parted and resize2fs. < 1247500935 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, even fdisk would work if you're willing to deal with the unsafety involved. < 1247502052 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why, I don't like ANY of the implications of that :P < 1247502057 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great success! < 1247502437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Post-reboot, my mac is running happier and faster. Yay. <-- doesn't this bother you? < 1247502453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I had such issues under one kernel. 2.6.21 I think it was. < 1247502463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It would if I had not started an awful lot of applications before. < 1247502468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such issues = reboot fixing it) < 1247502473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not fixing. < 1247502475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just snappier. < 1247502488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory management not picking up stuff, maybe some useless daemons left behind. < 1247502496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely, OS X's memory management could be better. < 1247502569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, similar. I remember having memory fragmentation issues under 2.6.21 (or around there). Some later kernel fixed it by putting movable user pages in one part of the memory and fixed pages for DMA and such in another. Making it easier to free up a contiguous memory block when needed. < 1247502571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1247502579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1247502586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1247502589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really, I just open too much stuff for my RAM. < 1247502594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That wasn't intentional, btw < 1247502598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm pretty sure you didn't intend "mm" as a joke yeah < 1247502603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was still pretty funny < 1247502643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's been sailing smoothly since; subjectively the minimalisation I did of the UI beforehand probably helps the feeling. < 1247502698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway, since 2.6.26 or something linux begins putting movable pages in one end and fixed pages in the other (this is a simplification, there is more to things than this), this reduces memory fragmentation quite a bit iirc. < 1247502730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X's memory management is probably good enough technically; just not tuned for UI responsiveness. < 1247502746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had "slow down after some weeks turned on" before that anti-fragmentation thing < 1247502766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially disk IO used to suffer < 1247502822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only-partly-educated guess is that it was harder for the DMA stuff to find large regions when doing stuff like copying large files between two disks and such < 1247502975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah seems like it was 2.6.24 that fixed it < 1247502983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not .26 as I said above < 1247504165 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-15-53.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247504740 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1247505815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to hide menu bar so that his desktop can be 100% gray < 1247505844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obsessive-compulsive? unpossible! < 1247506848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, < 1247506852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1247506876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notably, I do not choose operating systems based on whether I can hide their menu bar or not < 1247506887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good reply :) < 1247506901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn i was trying to troll you into a tirade about freedom < 1247506909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, bad luck < 1247507465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Freedom is slavery" < 1247507658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My new desktop: small, http://imgur.com/VdWzh.png; big, http://imgur.com/n5MxZ.png. < 1247507986 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs more blue < 1247508045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I don't think so. < 1247508229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, too much menu bar < 1247508236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I don't think so. < 1247508243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, how did you hide the HD icon thingy? < 1247508251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HD icon thingy? < 1247508260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do I misremember, and it is only Classic MacOS that had it < 1247508266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the HD icon thingy? < 1247508269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1247508272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harddrive < 1247508275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1247508283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leopard_Desktop.png <-- it's there < 1247508292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Finder → Preferences → General → untick "Hard disks" from "Show these items on the Desktop:". < 1247508323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also disabled the 3D dock, so now it's a lean, mean, autohiding, semi-transparent black, white-bordered-with-curve application switching-and-launching machine. < 1247508421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you get the recycle bin on the desktop instead of in the dock in OS X? Just wondering < 1247508445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I guess; make a shortcut to ~/.Trash < 1247508455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably won't be able to evict it from the Dock, though. < 1247508460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247508708 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Needs more K. < 1247508721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What do you want me to do; heat up my monitor? < 1247508763 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. < 1247508784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strangely, the Graphite theme, though less colourful than Blue, does not leave me feeling more spartan. Back to the prettier Blue. < 1247508789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So what did you really mean? :-P < 1247508813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sort of K desktop environment. < 1247508839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K as in KDE? < 1247508864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is on crack < 1247509024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1247509027 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so's my 3D WM. < 1247509197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you're using a 3D WM? < 1247509209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats, you hate your sense of usability < 1247509303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strictly speaking, all that it's doing could be done soley with 2D. < 1247509310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's merely using OpenGL for speed's sake. < 1247509322 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the fanciest thing it's doing is Exposé-like) < 1247509473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I thought you used a tiling WM. < 1247509497 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed my mind on a whim. < 1247509518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So… Misguided but well-intentioned attempt at usability → shitty, mass-produced glitzy WM. < 1247509520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohkay. < 1247509578 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, the only feature of it that requires any compositing that I use at all is the Exposé-like thing... < 1247509591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shush, you. It's still traditional. :P < 1247509599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, 'tis. < 1247509624 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were accusing me of using the shitty cube desktop. < 1247509633 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And other such completely useless glitz. < 1247509656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to concede that I haevn't yet used anything better than the traditional floating windows model. < 1247509659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*haven't < 1247510260 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> repeat [] < 1247510262 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[],[],[],[],[],[],[],[],[],[],[],[],[],[],[],[],[],[],[],[],[],[],[],[],[]... < 1247510287 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1247510337 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1247510510 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1247510692 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which esolangs of each inventor do you like best/worst of each? < 1247510770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, I'll just research and compile a gigantic list. Right now. < 1247511255 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247511257 0 :jix!n=jix@77-20-205-106-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1247512079 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃" < 1247512199 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now defined a few variations of Suxesol program language (all are optional). < 1247512472 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1247512480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really like options don't you < 1247512535 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes those are possible variations on this program language, you can use whichever one you prefer for the case you are working with. < 1247512570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you should add a configuration option to one of your projects where you can set the code of the program to what you want so it does what you want < 1247512615 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I understand you fully. < 1247512668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, if you want a program to be 100% configurable < 1247512671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can do like this: < 1247512681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :settings['programcode'] = read(this_file) < 1247512687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when it changes < 1247512695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :execute(this_file);exit() < 1247512708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can patch the source how you want, thus removing the need for any other configuration options < 1247512739 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made various programs. I have added a Forth interpreter to MegaZeux. < 1247512749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1247512762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that got to do with what i said? < 1247512796 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, that won't work very well, if you want different program codes you just get the source-codes and re-write it < 1247512811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but you practically make it do that anyway < 1247512878 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I meant is that you can add stuff to the program using Forth in this way. Not re-writing the entire program but you can add events to run at the hooking points in order to modify how parts of the program works. < 1247512960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make the system completely hot-patchable < 1247512966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp machine or such < 1247512977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me, I must get the genera thingy working < 1247512985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genera on linux is amusing < 1247512988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to emulate linux < 1247512990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which emulates a lisp machine < 1247512997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because genera craps all over your environment :D < 1247513000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah I know, so I'll wait until I have more disk space < 1247513005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1247513005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I'm a bit low < 1247513009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put a minimal install on there < 1247513013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 1GB total including genera < 1247513019 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a web-site of not making any sense at http://ltsun.com/demo/index.php It includes menus that don't make sense, text overlapping other text, some Japanese text with a comment saying not Korean, and other strange things. This is TRWTF < 1247513020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can dispense with window mangement < 1247513023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 4.4 GB free < 1247513023 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1247513024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use genera as the root window < 1247513031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still haven't got a replacement disk < 1247513038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the old one that broke < 1247513038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it is obviously a demo page < 1247513055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LTSun-Engine CMS < 1247513056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LTSun-Engine was designed in response to the unanswered demand of clients and informed web users seeking a way to create, edit, manage, and optimize web content without the cumbersome requirements of other existing CMS. < 1247513074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... cumbersome? < 1247513106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's marketing bullshit < 1247513110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just copying from ltsun.com < 1247513164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understood that... < 1247513188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just commenting on how absurd it was < 1247513325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247513326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1247513508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this screenshot, I show off my classy new Dock: http://imgur.com/iCOI4.png < 1247513561 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1247513662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is the mouldy orange thingy? < 1247513678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ummm........ do you know what a lime is? < 1247513696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I never ate one. I do know the outside of them as they are in the store. < 1247513708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, well, it's not a lime. < 1247513712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a mouldy orange. < 1247513720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, funnier that way < 1247513756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess that is mouldyorangechat then? < 1247513771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about the green bird? < 1247513780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be a duck... < 1247513789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His name is Adiumy. < 1247513794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, wasn't sure, what with ducks usually not being green! < 1247513811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adiumy comes in multiple colours. < 1247513819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some im yeah < 1247513911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is the website for adium? if it is adium.im as wikipedia says, there is dns trouble for it. Even using opendns < 1247513919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hideous dark-blue/light-blue chimera is an application where you input a white person and you input a black person, it merges them. < 1247513926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The compass is a GPS application. < 1247513946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The arrow pointing to the computer on the folder controls the hard drive's shock resistance protection. < 1247513953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I know what Finder is and I know what Safari is < 1247513955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trash can is, uh, a trash can. < 1247513973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that unusual folder? Really < 1247513980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Everything I said after "The hideous" until the start of this line is bullshit. Apart from that thing about the trash can. < 1247513982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, downloads. < 1247513989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247514048 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1247514053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw, you know you can't quit finder from any menu? < 1247514058 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ACTION " < 1247514083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, however, using that speech command thing, you could (at least in Tiger) tell it to "quit application finder" and it would do it < 1247514101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could restart it again using "open finder" or something similar < 1247514141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, did you know that? < 1247514155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I added Cmd-Q to the Finder with a hack a while back. < 1247514156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather pointless. < 1247514162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was Tiger though. < 1247514165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? how? < 1247514171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't recall. < 1247514181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers resedit < 1247514188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you? < 1247514203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess not, never used under OS X iirc < 1247514258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Incidentally, that duck opens its eyes when you run it. < 1247514264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, argh. < 1247514279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's argh about that? :P < 1247514323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just a personal hate for icons like the thunderbrid one having a number for number of unread mail (almost always just new spam) and similar < 1247514331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's nothing like that < 1247514340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just changes to open eyes when the app is open, closes them when disconnected < 1247514343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a useful indicator < 1247514374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get a message it does jump up like all applications do when they notify, and does get a little stamp with the number of unread messages, but generally you look at those rather quickly with IM (and you can disable the notification, leaving just the banner) < 1247514382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, decided what irc client you will use under linux btw? < 1247514385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might flap its wings too; I never look. I just use the Growl notifications. < 1247514400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hadn't even thought about it. Maybe xchat-gnome. < 1247514411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you prefer gnome over xmonad? < 1247514428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My pick of xchat-gnome isn't inherently gnome-related, it just has a leaner UI. < 1247514430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, I do. < 1247514434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiling WMs suck. < 1247514434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about KDE? < 1247514445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and which version?) < 1247514446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. I might check out KDE 4.3 or whatever. < 1247514453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1247514463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE 3 I'm no fan of. It's just cluttery. < 1247514516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Requirements: Minimum of 8 years of the following experience: [...] • Microsoft Reporting services 2005 < 1247514520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— http://newjersey.craigslist.org/eng/1255128352.html < 1247514562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247514586 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1247516663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247517668 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247517852 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1247518024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/X1Hi1.gif < 1247518028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L1, L2, RAM, hard disk. < 1247518032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One pixel per nanosecond. < 1247518056 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1247518075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very pretty. < 1247518079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could use L3. < 1247518506 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1247519044 0 :Sgeo!n=sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247519185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :success < 1247519192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, first example of ATHR: < 1247519194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./efunge tests/athr/02_spawn_simple.b98 < 1247519194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEST: Will test S followed by Q in the old thread, waiting for input in new thread, then exiting. < 1247519194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IInn noelwd!! < 1247519194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please input any char: < 1247519194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1247519195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read: "3" < 1247519204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still a long way to go < 1247519212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I need a new host, the current one is down < 1247519223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will so be forever (all data is backed up yes) < 1247519259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will so be. < 1247519293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, bad grammar? < 1247519302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terribly. < 1247519308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, kay < 1247519364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IInn noelwd!!" btw is "In new!" and "In old!" mixing up < 1247519366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as expected < 1247519381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iinn noewld. < 1247519416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1247519626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, since the actual pause isn't deterministic, it sometimes ends up as that and other variants. < 1247519631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except upper case I < 1247519638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and !! instead of a single . < 1247519647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shush. < 1247519674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does seem to end up with "IInn noelwd!!" rather often though, *shrug* < 1247520383 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1247520476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, ATHR is a fingerprint I'm working on, meant to help befunge keeping it's market share by allowing it to take advantage of multiple cpus/cores. < 1247520481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1247520495 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a noble efford < 1247520501 0 :jix!n=jix@77-20-205-106-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1247520501 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's the IInn noelwd < 1247520503 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deal < 1247520517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing, two threads printing at once < 1247520523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus overwriting each other partly < 1247520526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shows it works < 1247520528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so far) < 1247520554 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that makes sense < 1247520871 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, "Sgeo" is also mixed up in a similar way < 1247520882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, err ok? < 1247520925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Didn't you used to be Oegs or something. < 1247520996 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, not that you should have ever seen < 1247521000 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1247521012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read it on the Creatures wiki. Also, where does "should" enter in to it? < 1247521018 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ok < 1247521021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I not meant to tread on your kinky sex websites or something? < 1247521026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, I preferred it when you were confused. < 1247521042 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of my AIM name, and my name on Wulfram < 1247521060 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two things which I think you didn't know me from < 1247521973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with async thread and when you are testing thread sync you get some funny messages: "?tupni eht htiw hguone wols erew uoy erus ,eulav detcepxe daer t'ndiD :DAB YLEKIL" < 1247521983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you can read backwards without problems < 1247522059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I can't; but irb(1) can. < 1247522083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I used rev to write it < 1247522085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what irb is < 1247522090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby shell. < 1247522098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I compulsively use it for things like reversing or doing basic calculations. < 1247522116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rev(1) is easier, not sure if it is GNU specific or not. < 1247522118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could also use frink and do: < 1247522121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"?tupni eht htiw hguone wols erew uoy erus ,eulav detcepxe daer t'ndiD :DAB YLEKIL" -> reverse < 1247522131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :frink? < 1247522152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://futureboy.us/frinkdocs/; a clever calculator/programming languages that knows a metric fuckton of units. < 1247522159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1247522160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But not the metric fuckton, unfortunately.) < 1247522172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the imperial fuckton? < 1247522173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It also has things like easy googling, regexps, date processing etc < 1247522193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, open source? < 1247522195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for doing calculations involving tangible data from places; conversions and calculations with glue. < 1247522207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Unfortunately not; I'm not sure why, though; you could ask him, I suppose. < 1247522211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1247522212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Java, though, so you could decompile it. < 1247522241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Said person is also behind http://futureboy.us/mithenge/, which is delightfully pointless, especially as it doesn't benefit him. < 1247522312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247522782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike how LimeChat includes ;s at the end of links. < 1247523106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, change the regex? < 1247523113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it uses < 1247523118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that would be work. < 1247523119 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always put a space after URLs when punctuation follows, just to prevent that from happening in any clients < 1247523125 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always put a space after URLs when punctuation follows, just to prevent that from happening in any clients < 1247523132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: But that makes you sound http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French ! < 1247523243 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, damn thing won't stay in < 1247523294 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Basic Instructions down?! < 1247523313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, basic instructions for what? < 1247523323 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a comic < 1247523348 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you say that you know, and were making a joke, sorry < 1247523367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: AnMaster never know. < 1247523368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knows. < 1247523372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic Instructions is funny though. < 1247523384 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247523394 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1247523400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah a comic called that < 1247523411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ugh, damn thing won't stay in <-- then what was that about? < 1247523422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what HE said! < 1247523426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ice burn. < 1247523433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1247523442 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, the ethernet wire keeps falling out < 1247523444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247523454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By ethernet wire he means penis.) < 1247523457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that why you repeated " I always put a space after URLs when punctuation follows, just to prevent that from happening in any clients" ? < 1247523469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't believe that :P < 1247523476 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, yes, I didn't think it came through < 1247523479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because you don't get jokes. < 1247523503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I realised it was a poor attempt at humour yes. < 1247523512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooo. < 1247523514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He means it for serious. < 1247523523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean it you mean < 1247523538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the discussion was about what you said < 1247523542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what Sgeo said < 1247523559 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1247523580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, fixed the åäö bug yet? < 1247523588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ö > test.txt < 1247523589 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1247523591 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to record changes. < 1247523597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, STILL BROKEN! < 1247523606 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did you first report said bug? < 1247523609 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While I was off in Italy. < 1247523612 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Presumably) < 1247523621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1247523621 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1247523626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1247523626 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1247523636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: two days ago. < 1247523638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, it fails for unicode on the command < 1247523651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on the command. < 1247523652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the filesystem. < 1247523657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1247523663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance. < 1247523665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo butt < 1247523666 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butt < 1247523668 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's really bizarre, actually ... < 1247523668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo bütt < 1247523668 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bütt < 1247523675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: hg encoding issues, I presume. < 1247523676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so fetch is broken if file contains åöä < 1247523679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :åäö* < 1247523681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similiar < 1247523685 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except hg has no encoding issues ... at least, not that I've ever seen ... < 1247523692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, also your client was connected, so I assume you read the away log with the highlights < 1247523694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Never seen? Aren't we seeing them now? :P < 1247523696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems that isn't true < 1247523727 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: There are a trillion other potential problems in this setup. < 1247523730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do I reliably get a message through that you will read next time you connect to the bouncer or look at the client or whatever? < 1247523732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Do not be insolent! You must not displease AnMaster. < 1247523740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SERVE HIS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT COMMUNICATION DEMANDS. < 1247523742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, just wondering ^ < 1247523756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sending a /msg to me means I will *sooner or later* read it. < 1247523759 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: /msg < 1247523765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, ok, good to know < 1247523781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, anyway, unicode is broken for stuff like `quote too < 1247523787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote foo < 1247523787 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1247523790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1247523792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because quote writes to the filesystem < 1247523793 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, I think I know the issue then. < 1247523794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever the command was < 1247523795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: addquote. < 1247523799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right that was it < 1247523805 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The LOG won't accept unicode, I believe. < 1247523815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, okay, make that work? < 1247523821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1247523826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: but `echo bütt works. < 1247523829 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ... not < 1247523836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1247523838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't go in log < 1247523838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no changes to record < 1247523840 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I have not a fucking clue what the problem is :P < 1247523851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, can't you debug it? < 1247523852 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I can commit changes with unicode in the log here :P < 1247523852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1247523858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah GregorR < 1247523860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deeebug it. < 1247523860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, check LC_* and LANG < 1247523862 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not right now, I have other sh** to do. < 1247523862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With your magical debugging mind. < 1247523874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have other shasterisksasterisks? < 1247523880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that sanskrit? < 1247523884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, attach gdb to everything on the system. < 1247523890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb kernel < 1247523890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step < 1247523891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step < 1247523893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step < 1247523915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, quite possible with a serial cable or a firewire one < 1247523929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that'd become part of the system and you'd have to debug that too < 1247523932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as the debugging computer < 1247523941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hopefully not. < 1247523952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it would < 1247523954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you could run it in qemu and attach gdb < 1247523955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the definition of a system < 1247523957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interconnected components < 1247523966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that would work if the emulation was perfect; it's not < 1247523970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has holes into the above system < 1247523974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1247523982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, only well guarded holes < 1247523990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike your mom. < 1247523994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah. < 1247524006 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well played :P < 1247524009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't know about that. but that is what YOUR MOM said. < 1247524018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Unlike AnMaster's attempt. < 1247524029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed. I'm not used to that sort of memes. < 1247524041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all your mom are belong to dead memes < 1247524091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please stop. < 1247524095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I beg you. < 1247524147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Can haz for great justice? < 1247524167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh < 1247524389 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1247524424 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247525336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1247525698 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1247526846 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1247527895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are you back yet? I have a question for you < 1247528007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know the fingerprint HRTI for befunge 98? If not: it provides a millisecond accuracy timer (at best). However modern computers can easily manage accuracy around a few nanoseconds for timers. Yet HRTI is specified in milliseconds and can't use it. < 1247528040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My question thus is: What would be a good unit if I were to add high resolution time measurement to a new fingerprint < 1247528054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would nanoseconds be enough or should one future proof it by going for picoseconds or such < 1247528308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1247528320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: planck times < 1247528328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's befunge, why does it have to be practical? < 1247528331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely. < 1247528333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247528342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much would one second be in plack times? < 1247528345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plank* < 1247528350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it fit in a 32-bit integer? < 1247528355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck no! < 1247528356 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe petatimes; planck times are *small*. < 1247528357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :signed one < 1247528372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1 planck time is the minimum unit of time that makes sense < 1247528378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the use here is for a timeout < 1247528383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in smaller units, physics gets all quantum and shit < 1247528386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: planck times dammit < 1247528409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: anyway one planck time is um < 1247528410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1247528413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right. Can you express even one millisecond in a 32-bit singed integer using planck times? < 1247528419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 attosecond is 10^-18 seconds < 1247528427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1 attosecond is 10^26 planck times < 1247528427 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1247528429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do the mathematic < 1247528429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1247528435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a millisecond is an aeon < 1247528436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no oerjan just joined < 1247528437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he can do it < 1247528441 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, _i_ do the mathematics < 1247528446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, as I siad < 1247528447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :said* < 1247528453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: AnMaster is asking whether he can represent 1ms in 32-bit signed integers in planck times < 1247528454 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what mathematics? < 1247528456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm responding "fuck no!" < 1247528469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`google 1 ms in planck time < 1247528471 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :106, 1 megasecond (11.6 days), Ms, month = 2.6 x 106 s .... [edit] External links. Exploring Time from Planck time to the lifespan of the universe ... \ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(time) - [17]Cached - [18]Similar < 1247528480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:40 ehird: 1 attosecond is 10^-18 seconds < 1247528480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* 106? < 1247528480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:40 ehird: and 1 attosecond is 10^26 planck times < 1247528488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think google will work with units that huge. < 1247528492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, 1 ms in it) < 1247528495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`google planck time < 1247528496 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10. [PDF] \ [42]THE PLANCK SCALE < 1247528508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, expressed in planck times, what is the largest time unit you can fit into a signed 32 bit integer. Expressed as a reasonable unit (attseconds, millseconds or whatever) < 1247528509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frink probably has it. < 1247528510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1247528512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want me to use Frink? < 1247528517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 1 ms in planck time < 1247528518 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :106, 1 megasecond (11.6 days), Ms, month = 2.6 x 106 s .... [edit] External links. Exploring Time from Planck time to the lifespan of the universe ... < 1247528524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1247528532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't think you realise how COLOSSALLY SMALL a planck time is < 1247528534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :106 == conversion fail < 1247528542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the time required for light to travel, in a vacuum, a distance of 1 Planck length.[1] < 1247528543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, do you really *understand* that? < 1247528549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I suspect no one does < 1247528553 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph, google doesn't have planck time as a unit, it seems < 1247528558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 planck length is approximately 1.616252 x 10^-35 meters < 1247528560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no shit < 1247528580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the W|A command < 1247528583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should be perfect for it < 1247528588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANMASTER < 1247528589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing does it < 1247528593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's too small < 1247528595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the resulting number is too big < 1247528599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way, way too big < 1247528601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> googolplex < 1247528602 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `googolplex' < 1247528602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, W|A can convert planck times I bet < 1247528602 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: rubbish, it's just exponential notation < 1247528603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly < 1247528624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www24.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1+ms+in+planck+times < 1247528630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.855 x 10^40 < 1247528635 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wolfram 1 ms in planck times < 1247528645 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 ms in planck times \ \ Input interpretation: \ \ convert 1 ms millisecond to Planck times \ Result: \ \ 1.855 1040 Planck times \ Additional conversions: \ \ 1000 µs microseconds \ Interpretation: \ \ time \ Corresponding quantity: \ \ Distance x traveled by light in a vacuum from x 186 miles 300 km kilometers \ < 1247528646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1.8550000000000000000e+40 planck times < 1247528656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah, a bit outside reasonable range to express < 1247528663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is less than a gogolplex right? < 1247528669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelling < 1247528672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I wasn't quite thinking straight < 1247528676 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even less than a googol < 1247528677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: representing 18550000000000000762995842968505615908864 is trivial with bignums btw < 1247528693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, but this fingerprint should work on stuff like CCBI and such too < 1247528698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1247528699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant expressed interest in it < 1247528700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d has bignums < 1247528701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly < 1247528711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, however CCBI uses 32-bit signed integers < 1247528721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :push it as multiple stack elements < 1247528733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sick and tired of befunge not having enough esoteric fingerprints < 1247528742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm actually planck times are rather reasonable < 1247528746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 second = 1603000000000000157093599504886293773972613890048 planck times < 1247528749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that number's peanuts < 1247528751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is a reasonable accuracy for timeouts? nanoseconds or picoseconds? I want to future proof it for the next 20 years or so < 1247528752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :physics sure is shaky :D < 1247528766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: PLANCK TIMES < 1247528775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck! Practical! Units! This! Is! Befunge! < 1247528778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this one has some esotericness. < 1247528787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not planck times, it's not enough < 1247528791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, to sync threads you use books. < 1247528796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in 20 years we may have a singularity. < 1247528806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need the smallest quantity you can think of < 1247528808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ planck times!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1247528809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, make it 10 years then < 1247528814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also possible < 1247528820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, next two years? < 1247528828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :booooring < 1247528830 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less likely. < 1247528842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two years isn't futureproofing < 1247528846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do planck times! < 1247528851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a few stack elements < 1247528869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1.0 nanoseconds (1.0 ns) – cycle time for frequency 1 GHz, radio wavelength 0.3 m" says wikipedia. So on a modern CPU nanoseconds would be enough, on a future one in some years, maybe you need the next step down < 1247528874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably not more than picoseconds < 1247528882 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1247528884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, moore's law. < 1247528887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to go more than a step down. < 1247528899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, but currently we are scaling cores, not speed < 1247528903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PL < 1247528906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—PLANCK—FUCKING—TIMES < 1247528910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO IT < 1247528912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1247528916 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 second = 1603000000000000157093599504886293773972613890048 planck times <-- something tells me the part past the first zeros isn't accurate ;D < 1247528939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I WANT THIS TO BE IMPLEMENTABLE TO EXPRESS SOMETHING LIKE "2 second timeout" on an implementation with 32 bit signed integers. < 1247528947 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed, probably not more than at most one of the zeros < 1247528949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Then don't fucking ask #esoteric. < 1247528955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: accurate enough :P < 1247528981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, expressing 10^40 in befunge would be a rather long string < 1247528986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Maybe you should read the channel name again... #esoteric... as in esoteric... as in abnormal... as in you're writing a goddamn befunge fingerprint < 1247529004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes... correct. but iirc you said you liked practical esolangs < 1247529007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a few days ago < 1247529012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that meant something VERY different < 1247529022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what exactly? < 1247529026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dead esolang is not an uninteresting esolang with some libraries that happen to be fucking boring < 1247529028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1247529031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/dead eso/practical eso/ < 1247529038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mixing of windows...) < 1247529045 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 1603000000000000157093599504886293773972613890048 < 1247529046 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 160.13332298008586 < 1247529046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a practical esolang is a language designed for real use using weird concepts < 1247529049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg haskell < 1247529061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 161 bits is enough for a second < 1247529076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, 256 should be enough for everyone *ducks* < 1247529082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right... < 1247529083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247529114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^256/1603000000000000157093599504886293773972613890048/86400/365.2425 < 1247529116 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.289023853399056e21 < 1247529122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err? < 1247529133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you calculating < 1247529139 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of years in 2^256 planck times < 1247529144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247529147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a few < 1247529161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wolfram number of years in 2^256 planck times < 1247529169 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of years in 2^256 planck times \ \ Input interpretation: \ \ convert 115 792 089 237 316 195 423 570 985 008 687 907 853 269 984 665 640 564 039 457 584 007 913 129 639 936 Planck times to years \ Result: \ \ 1.98 1026 years \ Additional conversion: 33 \ \ 6.243 10 seconds \ \ Comparison as age: \ \ 1.4 1016 universe < 1247529176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1247529184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure it interpreted it right < 1247529189 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it doesn't seem to agree < 1247529190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it did, yeah enough for everyone < 1247529198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^256 < 1247529199 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 115792089237316195423570985008687907853269984665640564039457584007913129639... < 1247529210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, operator precedence? < 1247529226 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0/) < 1247529227 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `GHC.Real./' [infixl 7] of a section < 1247529227 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lower prec... < 1247529233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0*) < 1247529234 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `GHC.Num.*' [infixl 7] of a section < 1247529234 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lower prece... < 1247529248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? that looks strange < 1247529248 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* and / are both left associative with the same precedence < 1247529255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I meant ^ < 1247529268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0^) < 1247529269 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `GHC.Real.^' [infixr 8] of a section < 1247529270 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lower prec... < 1247529281 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ is higher, as expected < 1247529285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1247529286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that then < 1247529307 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wolfram 1 second in planck times < 1247529314 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 second in planck times \ \ Input interpretation: \ \ convert 1 second to Planck times \ Result: \ \ 1.855 1043 Planck times \ Additional conversions: \ \ 1000 ms milliseconds \ Interpretation: \ \ time \ Corresponding quantities: \ \ Distance x traveled by light in a vacuum from x 186 282 miles 299 792 km kilometers < 1247529352 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't agree with ehird above :) < 1247529365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehm < 1247529370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that `wolfram is broken. < 1247529375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it skips out formatting < 1247529377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^256/1.855e43/86400/365.2425 < 1247529378 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.9780621223712598e26 < 1247529383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 1.855 1043 = 1.855 x 10^43 < 1247529384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the site < 1247529391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lesson is: don't use `wolfram < 1247529394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is easy to decode < 1247529399 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: of course i can guess that, it's still not what you pasted above < 1247529405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e :P < 1247529417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the lesson is: bug GregorR to make it handle superscript < 1247529419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247529432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lesson is irc is not a browser. < 1247529457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real lesson is that we will argue about what the real lesson is. < 1247529475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: also, i was never confused about what w|a's answer meant, anyhow < 1247529544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wolfram 2^256 > googolplex < 1247529547 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that's quite a bit longer than the time since the big bang < 1247529548 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$Failed \ \ < 1247529553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so false < 1247529556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or error? < 1247529558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wolfram 2^256 < googolplex < 1247529559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :error < 1247529562 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$Failed \ \ < 1247529563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1247529567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is it larger or not then < 1247529574 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^256 < 10^(10^100) < 1247529579 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Prelude.read: no parse < 1247529580 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1247529581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1247529590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is too large to write out < 1247529591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1247529593 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1247529594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is larger