< 1247788817 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loggits. < 1247789394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel: oklopol: 2.5 kB/s → pause utorrent man <<< already paused < 1247789409 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: O_O < 1247789414 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what connection is this < 1247789462 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dna's... blob. this usb thing, very slow, and i'm in the middle of nothing atm < 1247789487 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1247789501 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well the smallest i could get it would be like 5mb and it'd look and sound like shit then < 1247789505 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8mb for something that's kind of okay < 1247789507 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how far done is it < 1247789529 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.0 / 23.2 < 1247789567 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how long's been going < 1247789610 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't show < 1247789621 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 1:15 it seems < 1247789629 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time is it there < 1247789633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :judging by my messages < 1247789639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2:13 < 1247789652 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1247789658 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will you be awake in 3 hours :D < 1247789694 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will watch one episode of scrubs while massaging feet, then sleep. < 1247789707 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so um how long do those episodes last < 1247789715 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:07 < 1247789730 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I read that as "while messaging feet" < 1247789732 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was weird. < 1247789751 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no way i'm gonna be able to make a file that small without it being unwatchable < 1247789753 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch it tomorrow. < 1247789767 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess. < 1247789830 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the connection was like 0.1 kB/s at first, so actually you probably could < 1247789835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster now < 1247789854 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah but you'd have to restart it. < 1247789865 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much left does it estimate? < 1247789872 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about an hour. < 1247789872 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't change the encoding midway? LAME. < 1247789884 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: lawl < 1247789898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you got it to 8, about half an hour < 1247789950 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just stay awake because you can't possibly wait. < 1247789952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't bother < 1247790018 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1247790163 0 :sgeo!n=sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247790237 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha this is so hard to transcript < 1247790243 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transcribe rather < 1247790484 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know what I just realized? It's weird that Google still has a Firefox start page :P < 1247790503 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then again, what are they supposed to do, put ads for Google Chrome on it? < 1247790511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1247790522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh because that. < 1247790525 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1247790532 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: google recommend firefox too < 1247790541 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. in youtube's "lol we're gonna stop supporting ur shit ie6" < 1247790714 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: google have a lot of relation with browser makers anyway < 1247790733 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :safari and firefox get $$$$$$$ for google searches from their toolbar < 1247791352 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's oerjan when you need him < 1247791397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asleep! < 1247791450 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1247791451 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how's download < 1247791612 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 1 hours, 26 minutes left! < 1247791615 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247791617 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot < 1247791620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleepy time i think < 1247791630 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotten slower again < 1247791637 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1247791641 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made it just for you oklopol < 1247791643 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set it all up < 1247791646 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still right behind me < 1247791648 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW COULD YOU < 1247791649 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1247791655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the connection can occasionally drop for hours, not really surprising it's not that stable when it's on. < 1247791671 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry :<<<<< < 1247791677 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleepy time i think. < 1247792380 0 :MizardX-!i=MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247792443 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247792468 0 :MizardX-!i=MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247792562 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247792584 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1247792865 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ============================================================== < 1247792865 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The (Interactive) Glasgow Haskell Compiler -- version 6.10.4 < 1247792866 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ============================================================== < 1247792868 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. < 1247792894 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define you (cons nigger nigger)) < 1247792948 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1247793053 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1247793053 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1247793054 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1247793054 0 :randomity!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1247793054 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1247793055 0 :upyr[ema`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1247793056 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1247793056 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1247793057 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1247793057 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1247793057 0 :fizziew!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1247793057 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1247793057 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1247793057 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1247793097 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1247793097 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1247793097 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1247793097 0 :upyr[ema`!n=user@79.174.35.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247793097 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1247793097 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1247793097 0 :fizziew!n=htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1247793097 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247793097 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1247793097 0 :randomity!i=mu@spoon.netsoc.tcd.ie JOIN :#esoteric < 1247793097 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247793097 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1247793097 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1247793097 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@mothball.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1247793459 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1247793655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247793678 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n! = (n ∏ k=1) k ∀n ∈ ℕ < 1247793714 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that definition works for n = 0? < 1247793774 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we're looking at numbers between 1 to 0; if we interpret this as ascending like every other case, there are no numbers to consider. < 1247793783 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we interpret it as descending, there aren't any either. < 1247793787 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*between 1 and 0 < 1247793793 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could include 1. < 1247793802 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you would, actually. < 1247793807 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1*2*3 etc. < 1247793811 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it'd work out to 1. < 1247793834 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Actually: < 1247793839 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of the above definitions incorporate the instance < 1247793841 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0! = 1 < 1247793846 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an instance of the fact that the product of no numbers at all is 1. < 1247793849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 != 1 < 1247793852 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my first way was right. < 1247793864 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Thank you, that's utterly useless :P < 1247793869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1247794067 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not sure "(n ∏ k=1) k" is a reasonable linear expression of that, though. < 1247794078 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe n ∏ k=1: k or something would be better. < 1247795231 0 :sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1247795247 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247796199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : estoppel, there? yes now I am <-- damn missed you.... now what was it I wanted to ask hm... meh forgot < 1247796207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1247796211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1247796212 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find it within yourself. < 1247796213 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aum. < 1247796214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1247796215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that already right? < 1247796221 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Auuum. < 1247796228 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM < 1247796251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18% 6800KB 2.9KB/s - stalled - <-- scp to NZ isn't a good solution when both end has DSL < 1247796254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADSL even < 1247796266 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADSL is better than other DSL, no? < 1247796277 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from ADSL2 and ADSL2+ < 1247796277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, SDSL would be even better? < 1247796279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for uploads < 1247796282 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1247796284 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADSL is the worst < 1247796285 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1247796292 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wait < 1247796293 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1247796294 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1247796295 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1247796303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know about the 2 < 1247796306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have it < 1247796308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea how to check < 1247796309 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VDSL2 seems to be faster. < 1247796312 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what speed? < 1247796320 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well wait < 1247796325 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just know ADSL and ADSL2+ < 1247796329 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1247796331 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who remembers ISDN < 1247796331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, 8 mbit down. But ISP provides 24 mbit down with same modem, just costs more < 1247796338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, I do, but I never used it < 1247796341 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: then adsl2+ < 1247796343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who remembers 28.8k? < 1247796346 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they might not offer it to you < 1247796351 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used 54kbit I think < 1247796361 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :american megatrends...? Or ... texas instruments...? or something < 1247796361 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modem < 1247796362 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :black < 1247796366 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite big and heavy < 1247796367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, that was luxury compared to 28.8k! < 1247796375 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured out i could turn down the volume one day < 1247796375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, usrobotics or whatever it was < 1247796379 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never missed those bleeps and whines < 1247796384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that distincly < 1247796393 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe us robotic < 1247796394 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1247796400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, yeah < 1247796403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1247796420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those sounds did have a certain charm < 1247796421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO < 1247796454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least now afterwards < 1247796476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, that us robotics modem had a volume control on the side though < 1247796486 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1247796489 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a half-exposed dia < 1247796490 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1247796494 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, i love the sounds now < 1247796496 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but didn't at the time < 1247796501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half-exposed dial? < 1247796502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1247796505 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1247796508 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of a wheel < 1247796509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, I never found where to enter the modem commands thingy under MacOS < 1247796509 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1247796511 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( ) < 1247796513 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was < 1247796517 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( | < 1247796520 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where | is the modem's side < 1247796529 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :birdseye view < 1247796537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, a full wheel here, but not sticking out from the modem, flat against the surface with some grippy thing on it < 1247796548 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was basically flat, so < 1247796552 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it was ridged < 1247796560 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never used ISDN either < 1247796565 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i kinda wanted to. < 1247796572 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128 kbit/sec, man. < 1247796584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, not exactly this, but very similar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fax_modem_antigo.jpg < 1247796599 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see no wheel < 1247796602 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1247796602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in design < 1247796602 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i do < 1247796605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, on the SIDE < 1247796614 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1247796616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't see it from that view < 1247796617 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1247796619 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine too < 1247796659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, from google image search. this colour scheme: http://www.frontierpc.com/ProductImages/Large/1010110777.jpg < 1247796663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wheel on opposite side < 1247796674 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah mine didn't look like that. < 1247796696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, you can see the wheel inhttp://www.wrca.net/images/USrobotics/US_robotics_USR0268_14_4_Modem.jpg < 1247796699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in * < 1247796706 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh mine was a dial definitely < 1247796709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :properly clickable url: http://www.wrca.net/images/USrobotics/US_robotics_USR0268_14_4_Modem.jpg < 1247796722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, this was a *fax* modem < 1247796732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that we ever used that < 1247796795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that feature* < 1247796809 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faxes ruled. < 1247796819 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like teleporters but it has to be made of paper < 1247796822 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even so, teleporters < 1247796832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, we never had a fax, and we never got the fax application working for the modem < 1247796837 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it felt like you were REALLY sending that document < 1247796841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus we didn't want the computer turned on all the time < 1247796848 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would actually appear, the same one, wherever you sent it < 1247796852 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why faxes were awesome < 1247796855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, the original cam back? < 1247796862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :came* < 1247796872 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens after is irrelevant < 1247796874 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247796875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one the fax scanned it < 1247796882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, also it would fail at colours < 1247796889 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't care < 1247796892 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still felt like it < 1247796893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :black and white only < 1247796897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even grayscale < 1247796899 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT STILL FELT LIKE IT < 1247796904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't < 1247796907 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247796909 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did < 1247796924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only used a fax machine once < 1247796950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, heard about the black paper in circle thingy? < 1247796955 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1247796992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, take a fax machine, dial up another one and such. then feed it a completely black paper, then take the ends of said paper to each other, so it went in a circle. < 1247797004 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha you're joking < 1247797004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do this when there was no one at home at the other fax machine < 1247797007 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can't possibly work < 1247797018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, I never did it. but I heard about it being done. might be an urban myth < 1247797027 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only i had a time machine... < 1247797029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check snoopes < 1247797042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, can't you get fax machines these days? < 1247797049 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure but... < 1247797053 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1247797060 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the kind of people who'd do that and report on it would be the phreakers and they, um... aren't very reliable < 1247797065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, there is a wikipedia article on that prank: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_fax < 1247797084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing citations though < 1247797126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Description of Black Faxing in court documents -- usdoj.gov" < 1247797126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1247797134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if that is a reliable source < 1247797139 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lace_card < 1247797147 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it probably worked < 1247797156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : that can't possibly work AnMaster: it probably worked < 1247797157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247797185 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that can't happen usually do < 1247797553 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CESSMASTER420 < 1247797836 0 :CESSMASTER420!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CESSMASTER < 1247798046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1247798427 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me, #esoteric . < 1247798437 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are excused. < 1247798438 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CESSMASTER would like to announce his proclivity towards drugs. < 1247798439 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you. < 1247798467 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: as if being called "cessmaster" weren't enough < 1247798521 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh ... < 1247798529 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly have no idea if that's a reference... < 1247798534 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or what it's to if so ... < 1247798553 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He likes cess (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cess) < 1247798560 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He loves taxes soo much. < 1247798640 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who doesn't? < 1247798712 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CESSMASTER: Anyway, you can't do that now; it's not 4:20. < 1247799247 0 :upyr[ema`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247800002 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :coNsidering the traged yof the international neglEct of the Pringlestinian pEople | I'm don't that stupid who understand obviously | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1247800590 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1247810859 0 :Pthingg!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247813902 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow: http://www.rainedog.com/d/20090501.html < 1247814012 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of context, that strip is quite *interesting*. < 1247814036 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In context, it's not much different. < 1247814055 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The context is that she has a completely innocent reason for being under the same roof. < 1247816154 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1247817407 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247817599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1247817600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1247817751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247820638 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrigal: girl dogs :( < 1247820717 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i dont think theres anything out of context there < 1247820729 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youve got a boy. < 1247820732 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kissing a dog. < 1247820755 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring the implication that they sexed, thats pretty "JEFF! OH MY GOD!" < 1247821316 0 :pokarine!n=etaoin@69.247.213.216 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247822315 0 :pokarine!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1247823088 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84.217.14.95 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247824935 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247826238 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1247826239 0 :MigoMipo_!n=MigoMipo@84-217-14-95.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247826599 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1247826610 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-14-95.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247827015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247827069 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247827097 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247828438 0 :oklofok!n=nnscript@i002014.gprs.dnafinland.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1247828464 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, disconnected right after i went to sleep < 1247828465 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1247828479 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff probably doesn't know how to continue < 1247828508 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, doesn't < 1247828650 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-113-175.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1247828680 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1247828944 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1247829369 0 :Shuu!n=V@unaffiliated/shuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1247829664 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's switching time back to ie < 1247829738 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, ie transfers faster too :D < 1247829789 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ff couldn't even start the transfer) < 1247829957 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247830670 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c8F99BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1247834307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklofok < 1247834494 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiers < 1247834533 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :46 seconds left < 1247834547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb. < 1247834556 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be back in 46 seconds? < 1247834575 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1247834575 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1247834576 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1247834577 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1247834739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :backt < 1247834740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :backy < 1247834889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:58:22 Wow: http://www.rainedog.com/d/20090501.html < 1247834892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking furries; furries fucking. < 1247835045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because saying Twitter sucks strikes me as kind of like saying haiku sucks?" // srsly? < 1247835146 0 :oklopol!n=nnscript@i039054.gprs.dnafinland.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1247835157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklofok. < 1247835160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol rather. < 1247835164 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: hi. < 1247835172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the file playableability. < 1247835178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the very concept itself < 1247835181 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason, my computer crashed even though i had vlc on fullscreen. < 1247835190 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the file played fine < 1247835198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did not however! < 1247835204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i enjoyed it anyway < 1247835325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't make out all you say at the end < 1247835328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did tell you i was terrible at it < 1247835331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i don't even remember < 1247835334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just mumbling < 1247835346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think at the end i commented on how just walking was making it spew crap < 1247835370 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you said "you really shouldn't buy one of these things" or something :D < 1247835416 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is yours linear? < 1247835418 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You picked that thought right out of his head. < 1247835446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from some of the introductory vids i've gotten the impression some are linear, some are not < 1247835520 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've mostly mastered aerial fingering already, some of the jumps are still somewhat jittery < 1247835585 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Judofyr2 < 1247835587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: linear? < 1247835591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because while the thumb and the wrist are the stable part, the rest are the part that makes the sound in the next octave, making it hard to get a fast jump right < 1247835603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get you < 1247835614 0 :Judofyr2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Judofyr3 < 1247835624 0 :Judofyr3!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Judofyr < 1247835630 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: basically one centimeter = some interval < 1247835637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of some amt of hertz < 1247835651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you mean, like, it's non-continuous? < 1247835659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 40, ... < 1247835661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta thing? < 1247835665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just assuming that's what's meant, i can't estimate thhat from the vids. < 1247835672 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1247835675 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not at all < 1247835689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1247835697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what do you mean then < 1247835700 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait till python starts up < 1247835718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your computer is slow :D < 1247835849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my intuition says something like < 1247835849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> [440*2**(float(i)/12) for i in xrange(12)] < 1247835849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[440.0, 466.16376151808993, 493.88330125612413, 523.25113060119725, 554.36526195374415, 587.32953583481515, 622.25396744416184, 659.25511382573984, 698.45646286600777, 739.9888454232688, 783.99087196349853, 830.60939515989025] < 1247835857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for linear < 1247835878 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what non linear is, stuff like < 1247835879 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> [440+440*(float(i)/12) for i in xrange(12)] < 1247835879 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[440.0, 476.66666666666669, 513.33333333333337, 550.0, 586.66666666666663, 623.33333333333337, 660.0, 696.66666666666674, 733.33333333333326, 770.0, 806.66666666666674, 843.33333333333326] < 1247835926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterating 12 steps of some length < 1247835992 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the linear one, you'd get some constant interval of change for a constant rise in centimeters, but there's a limit for how high you can go < 1247836002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think all are linear < 1247836010 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non linear could be like how guitars do it, in which case you can get infinitely high < 1247836024 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course probably not the case in reality, but mathematically speaking < 1247836030 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1247836030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there's definitely a limit as you touch the antenna < 1247836032 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to test < 1247836045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: big jumps just consist of immediately cutting the volume, jumping to the next note and going back, i think < 1247836062 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1247836080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just avoiding the glissando. < 1247836100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well you stand so that with your hands to your side there's no tone < 1247836108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with your hand stretched out it touches the pitch antenna < 1247836119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... it's not exactly hard to do big jumps < 1247836158 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see your point, did i say it's hard to do big jumps? < 1247836163 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247836181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:59 oklopol: because while the thumb and the wrist are the stable part, the rest are the part that makes the sound in the next octave, making it hard to get a fast jump right < 1247836183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1247836187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't related to linearness then < 1247836215 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linearness is related to how your aerial fingering needs to change depending on where your stable part is located < 1247836234 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was about getting the fingering right < 1247836243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1247836252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you actually playing with a nonexistent theremin? xD < 1247836263 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that surprising? < 1247836264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: there are programs i think that use a webcam to make a virtual theremin < 1247836273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly hard to mentally divide the air into notes < 1247836281 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my webcam is broken < 1247836293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: there's no division, just so you know < 1247836303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a smooth scale of hz i'm pretty sure < 1247836315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: btw at points in that video i fiddle with the knobs < 1247836317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i often play the piano without sound, why not a theremin < 1247836327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case you're misinterpreting me playing slightly different afterwards or sth < 1247836333 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know it's smooth, lol < 1247836344 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you talk like i'm not an expert at it. < 1247836368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i generally work on the assumption that you're not a world expert in everything :D < 1247836370 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yarr i thought you were < 1247836377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare you < 1247836381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1247836387 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i had like meat or something, i'm hungry < 1247836398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: when i just did one and it went weeeeeeeeearuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhh that was the pitch one, in case you're retarded and didn't know that < 1247836409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leftmost on the video would be my rightmost which was brightness < 1247836413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the remaining one's waveform i think < 1247836417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's < 1247836420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pitch, waveform, brightness < 1247836427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that i did not know < 1247836433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1247836447 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the retarded part, i knew it was the pitch :P < 1247836450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what the latter two actually -do- < 1247836467 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1247836476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: btw my £200 figure is inaccurate because i got it off ebay (albeit new) < 1247836485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it was more like £250 < 1247836492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least i think it was new, too long ago to remember) < 1247836546 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really care about anything except pitch < 1247836562 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll just call some of my hifi friends to make it sound nice < 1247836564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i hate how he actually gets the words right. < 1247836577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat < 1247836578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _did_ use google translate in case it bothers you :D < 1247836590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: they do markedly change the sound though < 1247836590 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247836599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, some sounds will be hard to get without twiddlin' them < 1247836609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you do have a history of getting some of the stuff right no one else does < 1247836616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but you're meant to use only one pitch setting < 1247836627 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the translation of the part you did not translate in your quit msg. < 1247836629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to stand the right distance and make it so that you get either a very low tone or silence when your hands are by your side < 1247836662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're supposed to set the pitch so that aerial fingering lets you get one full octave < 1247836705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey what do i know i'm not a world expert in everything < 1247836707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's what doing that does < 1247836712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'm quoting the manual from the holy moog < 1247836713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there < 1247836717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247836724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yarr < 1247836724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy moog :D < 1247836736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that a typo? < 1247836869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: if you're unlazy enough to google for a webcam theremin at some point, do tell. i'm not actually sure whether it's the webcam that's broken or the one program i had for it. < 1247836880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not a typo no < 1247836889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it's the program, the complete crashing of the computer is somewhat impressive) < 1247836894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~squires/vt/ < 1247836910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.instructables.com/community/The-Virtual-Theremin/ < 1247836919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1247836956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you using a laptop? there's a tool from Synaptics that uses the touchpad to do it :D < 1247836964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[if you have a Synaptics touchpad in your laptop (and windows) you can get a free theremin here: < 1247836964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.synaptics.com/support/utili.cfm < 1247836966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the x& y axes control the pitch & tremelo, while the pressure on the pad controls the volume. < 1247836968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't forget to staccato tap all over the pad to make R2D2 noises)]] < 1247836970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might not be a synaptics touchpad ofc < 1247836972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1247836974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 404 < 1247837037 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hardly a theremin < 1247837065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the lack of touch that makes it a theremin < 1247837088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : where's oerjan when you need him <-- wat < 1247837110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen and played surfaces and strings mapped to smooth scales before < 1247837122 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not air < 1247837140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's a reasonable linear representation of capital sigma/pi notation (with unicode) < 1247837150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i later did "(a {{SIGMA}} b) c" is: < 1247837152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : a < 1247837154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGMA c < 1247837155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : b < 1247837155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1247837172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're mathematician, you should know what the operations feel like. QED < 1247837191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you usually use ellipses, if i understand the q < 1247837202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: like what? < 1247837255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you do c(with a substituted for iteration var) + c(same for a+1) + ... + c(with b for it) < 1247837257 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1247837260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except they were reversed < 1247837263 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\sum_{a}^{b} c is the TeX < 1247837277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah that's not what i was asking. < 1247837281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme explain < 1247837287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but that's not what it feels like < 1247837292 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels like the series < 1247837296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :summed < 1247837326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll probably go offline now, because the webcam will crash my computer < 1247837381 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sum_{a to b} c" is what I've been writing when I've wanted to talk about a sum in a single-line ascii-only context. It's a bit TeX-inspired, but not quite. And not very pretty either. < 1247837385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oerjan: n! = ??? ∀n ∈ ℕ < 1247837406 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see those characters right < 1247837408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? = (n Π k=1) k < 1247837409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wsa what I tried < 1247837414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: first three are question marks < 1247837419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then upside down A < 1247837422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then E, element < 1247837425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then blackboard N < 1247837429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the ??? = part, it's pi < 1247837430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1247837434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is that, < 1247837440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n Π k=1 k < 1247837445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\product_1^n, i think < 1247837446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ambiguous wrt k=1 and the k < 1247837449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1247837451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1247837451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n Π k=1) k < 1247837455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implies some sort of currying to my mind < 1247837460 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\product_{k=1}^n k, i think < 1247837468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm not sure the most readable & most accurate way to represent it < 1247837471 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just write the tex, everyone's got a built-in TeX renderizer in their brains. < 1247837476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's nothing close to the corresponding mathematical notation < 1247837478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: " " < 1247837497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correction < 1247837497 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It overrides the visual input and embeds the result there. < 1247837498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 〃 < 1247837510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i hate writing tex. < 1247837535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :〃 http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1247837548 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you need {} around unless it's a single character, or thereabouts < 1247837564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(RIP Sun) < 1247837569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: even so < 1247837579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n Π {k=1} k < 1247837585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is still hard to distinguish in a moment imo < 1247837680 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that even in that "end ∏ start" order? < 1247837698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/0/e/8/0e85eaace43199521530c584b3350444.png < 1247837704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain instinctively orders the n first. < 1247837713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if yours doesn't it's weird < 1247837734 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write TeX sums always \sum_{k=1}^n style, since the progression is "start from here, end up here". < 1247837740 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine certainly doesn't < 1247837740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm kind of tempted to make $$this render in tex$$ < 1247837744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1247837749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the Proper symbolism for that < 1247837842 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A simplified "∏{k=1 → n} k" could work; you rarely need an → in the start/end conditions, and the way there's no space after ∏ makes the {} part look like it's closely related to the ∏. But this is a subjective onion. < 1247837868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's ugly. now what's the tex symbolism for mathematics stuff < 1247837877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do i get you all to surround your tex with it on IRC. < 1247837920 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For inline math, LaTeX is just $foo$. And for displayed equations, it's that \[ bar \]. That's the LaTeX way, though, not the pure-TeX thing. < 1247837921 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ... $ for inline stuff < 1247837937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the pure tex? < 1247837947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ugh but $ to $ is so ambiguous < 1247837952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever put spaces around them? < 1247837953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1247837960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'll give you $100 if you name a basic variable dick$." < 1247837961 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not inside < 1247837965 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually < 1247837970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's still ambiguous < 1247837976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could require whitespace around it but < 1247837978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'll give you $100 if you name a basic variable dick$" < 1247837981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would fulfill it < 1247837981 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think pure TeX might've been $ ... $ too for inline, and the double-dollar for display mode. < 1247838005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's not ambiguous in TeX < 1247838019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not interpreting full irc lines as tex, oerjan :) < 1247838031 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I think the ∏ I used there is different from Π you had. The first one is the special "n-ary product" character, while the latter might be just uppercase pi from the Greek slot. < 1247838059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very true < 1247838090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fizzie: so, no delimiter suggestions then :D < 1247838160 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, no. Though you could use $...$ with suitable guesstimate-heuristics based on the content, if you want to be "TeX-compatible" and yet avoid that "any two dollar signs" thing. < 1247838166 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1247838221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm < 1247838232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any tex math worth its salt will include \, won't it < 1247838252 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's very likely. < 1247838265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okie dokie < 1247838283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i have to figure out tex's awful batch mode command line tools and how to turn an expression into a png :D < 1247838288 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$3$ // I just wanted this rendered in mathfont :P < 1247838301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Tough shit :P < 1247838308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do $3\nop$ or something < 1247838324 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$2^3$ people in this channel think that's too limited :P < 1247838350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: How can I possibly understand you without a superscript :P < 1247838361 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND < 1247838365 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly I just said "1" < 1247838368 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 2 xor 3 is 1 < 1247838381 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are TeX plugins for every wiki software in existence, you could just steal/"borrow" someone else's code. They all render to small png pictures. < 1247838381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats GregorR -----### < 1247838400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX ^ is _not_ xor! < 1247838414 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ah, but it wasn't TeX, since there wasn't a \ in there. < 1247838415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1247838428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm just not sure how they do it :P < 1247838435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION screams < 1247838447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the horror! < 1247838457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1247838462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay, he didn't say anything < 1247838468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he tried to add "3$" to 2 dollars < 1247838470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's 3$? < 1247838491 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTE string variable, obviously < 1247838495 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "texvc" script in the MediaWiki stuff which does the work. It's written in OCaml of all things. :p < 1247838556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gizmodo.com/5315766/suspiciously-prescient-man-files-patent-for-ipod+like-device-in-1979 // wow < 1247838572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wmf have a ton of ocaml infrastructure < 1247838597 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows metafile?-) < 1247838611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows media framework, duh < 1247838616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wikimedia foundation)-: < 1247838621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parasitic smilies. < 1247839207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I told Steve that I suspected that Microsoft was going to clone the Mac, but he wasn't that worried because he didn't think they were capable of doing a decent implementation, even with the Mac as an example." < 1247839390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It didn't even have overlapping windows, preferring a simpler technique called "tiling"." < 1247839391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh, snap! < 1247839405 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good ol' Windows 1 < 1247839419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I was thinking of tiling window managers :) < 1247839459 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiKwErpPwMs < 1247839515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever it is, it isn't as good as the video where Ballmer yells about Windows being $99, or the crack-filled 10 minute spy advert. < 1247839607 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not an advert ... per se? It's a floppy they distributed to encourage people to use Windows. It's a slideshow of "features" < 1247839610 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even has a clock! < 1247839645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it starts playing, I'll watch. < 1247839803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date < 1247839803 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri Jul 17 13:10:03 UTC 2009 < 1247839810 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's reversi, though. And it stayed there up to 3.0, but was dropped from 3.1. :/ < 1247839865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it plays now, yay. < 1247839890 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Youtube clip seems to advertise the black-and-white version; something like 1.02 or 1.04 added colors. < 1247839893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta admit that Windows 1.0 _was_ pretty cool. < 1247839911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fitting the existing, hardware-poking DOS applications into a multitasking & windowing system. < 1247839991 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too well, though. And DESQView did it earlier. < 1247840039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, but it's not exactly easy to make applications that mess with all your hardware directly play together nicely. < 1247840214 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, getting Windows 1 for the classroom PC made it trivial for everyone to access the directory with the alt-255 invisible character in the name, where the larry 1 copy had successfully been hiding, available only for those who were "in" on the secret. < 1247840251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahaha < 1247840272 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the "MS-DOS Executive" let you just point-and-click. :/ < 1247840294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and forevermore, fizzie eschewed graphical interfaces in favour of the more arcane ways. < 1247840296 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reboot" < 1247840463 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why US radio stations abbreviations seem to begin with "K"... < 1247840540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't all, do they? < 1247840558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe "K" means "United Kstates?" < 1247840561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"? < 1247840576 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh found something < 1247840581 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: < 1247840584 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they dont all do that < 1247840588 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :east coast is W < 1247840590 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :west coast is K < 1247840611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1247840616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: *keast < 1247840620 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i found. no explanation for the letters, though... < 1247840620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1247840623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be < 1247840624 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weast < 1247840626 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Kwest < 1247840628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :west coast is W < 1247840632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keast coast in K < 1247840635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1247840637 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1247840639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247840640 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EAST coast is W < 1247840642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1247840643 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :West coast is K < 1247840644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant < 1247840644 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247840645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my joke to work < 1247840658 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.oldradio.com/archives/general/kwtrivia.htm has the story. < 1247840669 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1247840688 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. The link promised for it to have the story. < 1247840690 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is it, though. < 1247840691 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_sign#North_America < 1247840692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Initially ship stations were the reverse, with W assignments in the west, and K in the east)" < 1247840695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEBODY UNDERSTANDS ME < 1247840733 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_callsign#K_and_W < 1247840748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why people make such complex federated single-sign-on systems < 1247840760 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1247840777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: totally unrelated to the conversation at hand you must realise < 1247840782 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1247840791 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a single sign on system? < 1247840809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Shibboleth. a university or company or whatever wants to provide a bunch of services to people < 1247840813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they have a ton of unrelated systems < 1247840819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and want you to only have to sign in once < 1247840828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for non-web stuff too < 1247840829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1247840833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the solutions are so complex < 1247840852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just use https or something and do https://authserver/authkey/${key_provided_by_client}? Use the IP or something < 1247840864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't understand how it's a nontrivial problem < 1247840865 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1247840867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :juts random thought < 1247840869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just < 1247840936 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still doesn't really explain why exactly K and W. "The call letters assigned to the United States are all combinations (676) beginning with the letter N and all (676) beginning with the letter W, and all combinations (598) from KDA to KZZ, inclusive. (NOTE: The assignment of W and K to the United States appears to have been completely arbitrary--the letters have no particular significance. N, however, had been commonly used by the U.S. Navy since November, < 1247840936 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1909)." < 1247841031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1247841052 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's what they _want_ us to think < 1247841090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dun dun < 1247841162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: isn't using K and W using 5 bits for 1? :D < 1247841194 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1247841203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well N too I guess < 1247841209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 1.5 bits < 1247841213 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats your opinion of the Mancunian accent? < 1247841233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually ~1.5849 according to \bot < 1247841244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i don't have many accents assigned to names < 1247841249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i probably find it annoying. < 1247841259 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the accent of people from Manchester. :P < 1247841272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: my opinion is: what the heck is the Mancunian accent? < 1247841277 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ < 1247841308 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, it's an international thing. It has to not-conflict with other places, which have other combinations assigned to them. < 1247841327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: yah i don't actually know what they sound like i don't associate people with places. < 1247841329 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The United Kingdom uses G, M, VS, ZB–ZJ, ZN–ZO, ZQ, and 2." < 1247841336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh. < 1247841340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......booooooring. < 1247841359 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION _did_ sort of know LA was norway, but only because of a norwegian comedy sketch... < 1247841372 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that page provides one hypothesis: < 1247841373 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The United States was represented by the military at the 1927 conference, which is why it received (or, in some cases, retained) A (for Army) and N (for Navy). The W and K for civilian stations followed as the simple addition of a dash to the Morse code letters A and N." < 1247841376 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan _did_ sort of know LA was norway, but only because of a norwegian comedy sketch... < 1247841376 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh < 1247841379 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Los Angeles, Norway :) < 1247841398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: radio prefix < 1247841416 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably only used by radio amateurs, though < 1247841454 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know OH is Finland, because one sees that painted on airplanes. (Although apparently according to the table Finland has the OF-OJ range. And Norway has LA-LN) < 1247841493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that was what the sketch was about, and i've never heard it about any other kind of station... < 1247841504 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in norway) < 1247841617 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, "normal" radio stations don't use the codes here either. Although I guess they might still be allocated one, technically speaking. < 1247842039 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"brb" < 1247842097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Jul-16.html ← Yow. < 1247842106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet. < 1247842210 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1247842235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LLVM is not able to support some of the features that Mono needs, so in those cases the JIT compiler will still fall back to Mono's JIT engine (methods that contain try/catch clauses or methods that do interface calls). " < 1247842243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think LLVM can do try/catch. < 1247842274 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1247842275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, they just can't do it "at the moment" < 1247842275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247842277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the comments < 1247842293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1247842297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Harrop commented positively. < 1247842302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harrop. Praising Mono. What the fuck. < 1247842309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...probably an impersonator. < 1247842319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You should do a Mono port of android. It must be fairly easy to translate Java to C# given how similar they are." < 1247842321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lolwat < 1247842327 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey hey many people get softer with age < 1247842460 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf xkcd < 1247842496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Aha! yet more Elaborate intellectual justifications from the weak beta males..." < 1247842499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I really reading this on Less Wrong? < 1247842584 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you implying it's not true? < 1247842665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wasn't talking about xkcd if you thought so; but I'm incredibly surprised that there's an idiotic "ALPHA MALE HURR" person criticizing people for justifying things… intellectually… on a community about rationalism. < 1247842672 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/1736/ Sooooooooooooooooo offensive < 1247842697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the post triggering the thread was about how all the neeeeeeeeeeeeeeerds here are beta males who won't take action and be total assholes to women so that they can have sex with attractive people.) < 1247842700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm quoting almost directly.) < 1247842734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lesswrong.com/lw/12w/absolute_denial_for_atheists/xg9?context=1#xg9 < 1247842834 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: LLVM doesn't support EH on Windows. < 1247842842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? EH? < 1247842846 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exception handling. < 1247842850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1247842862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's no reason to disable it for all platforms, tohugh. < 1247842868 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEH is fairly undocumented and the devs don't use Windows. < 1247842878 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's little interest in implementing it. < 1247842952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's no reason to disable it for all platforms, tohugh. < 1247843048 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : That's no reason to disable it for all platforms, tohugh. < 1247843058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Take-away from this comic: The new meme of proposing a comically horrible and violent plan, and then adding, "Like men once did."]] — like men once did. < 1247843062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: To hugh. < 1247843119 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a new meme? < 1247843169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything Munroe says is a meme and utter comedic & inspirational genius to the people on the xkcd forum < 1247843173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/./ < 1247843231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hip language + LLVM seems to be a popular combination these days. < 1247843240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder when we'll get Erlang + LLVM. Or Haskell + LLVM. < 1247843316 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We already have Haskell + LLVM. < 1247843326 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Google it, can't remember where.) < 1247843352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=haskell++llvm&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 ;; the only relevant thing seems to be that stc/ehc thing < 1247843376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it appears to be vaporware/presentationware: http://www.cs.uu.nl/wiki/bin/view/Stc/CompilingHaskellToLLVM < 1247843474 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, http://hackage.haskell.org/cgi-bin/hackage-scripts/package/llvm was only bindings < 1247843809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: hb < 1247843867 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 is such a lame birthday :P < 1247844194 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? happy birthday! < 1247844211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say it's a prime age < 1247844219 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calling your birthday lame is a lame way of drawing attention to it < 1247844226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no, i did that. < 1247844231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by saying hb. < 1247844247 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speak English, dammit. < 1247844256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1247844278 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed "hb" = "happy birthday" < 1247844281 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y? hb z fn. < 1247844282 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it is in fact my birthday. < 1247844333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1247844338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen on sine :P < 1247844731 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@c8F99BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1247844731 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247845165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1247845431 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.flickr.com/photos/72186321@N00/3727447769/sizes/o/ < 1247845708 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247845739 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c8F99BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1247845781 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1247845994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:31 oerjan: \product_{k=1}^n k, i think < 1247845995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1247846010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that produces < 1247846015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--n < 1247846018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| |k=1 < 1247846066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1247846070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame jsmath's lab tool < 1247846122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n! = \prod_{k=1}^n k \qquad \forall n \in \mathbb{N}\! < 1247846134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw you said something about me having a lot of edits on MB a few days ago iirc? < 1247846139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247846148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm at 233 in total now < 1247846160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on one hand, they must love you < 1247846165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other, you're fucking nuts. < 1247846166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :143 open ones, two accepted 83 auto edits < 1247846171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh :) < 1247846185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, AND I HAVE STILL OVER 30 classical CDs to add! < 1247846190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when I have time) < 1247846190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the horror < 1247846204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, currently I'm adding roughly four per day < 1247846237 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you doing, tagging them by hand? < 1247846245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: into musicbrainz, yes. < 1247846254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay then. < 1247846257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he listens to über obscure classical without any entries :-P < 1247846279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doing lots of other edits of course, such as fixing incorrect info in cds that are in there. (The tracks with yellow bg in http://musicbrainz.org/release/3c969e3d-1fdc-4186-90fc-73eb0e70708e.html were edited by me. Note that listing shows the state *before* the edits, since they are still open) < 1247846329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't (disc 1) in the title forbidden? < 1247846330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1247846332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget the policy < 1247846346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually most of the ~30 cds left to add are compilations trying to make classical music popular. You know... stuff like "The best of Vivaldi" and such. < 1247846357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: has that ever worked though? exactly! < 1247846358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often lacking a detailed info like Opus numbers and such < 1247846391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i know of one instance where any kind of traditional music was made popular through an album. < 1247846411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no idea. But I met quite a few people who didn't know of Grieg or "In the hall of the Mountain King", but when they heard it they went "Oh that one, used in " and such < 1247846418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1247846439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The example I was thinking of is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buena_Vista_Social_Club_(album)) < 1247846440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I suspect a lot of people listen to more classical than they think they do < 1247846444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the form of sound tracks < 1247846452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't actively listen to soundtracks though < 1247846457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not meant to notice them < 1247846471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, depends actually... < 1247846534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I assume you have seen Star Wars? Do you remember the music from (in the 5th movie) when the Empire attacked that rebel base on the ice planet? < 1247846550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have idly seen some star wars movies occasionally. < 1247846554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of march. Very noticable. < 1247846561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. i don't recall at all < 1247846577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not the scene even? < 1247846584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1247846618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, huge green walking machines? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Battlehothesb.JPG < 1247846622 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you remember the Emperial March? < 1247846635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emperial is my new favourite word. < 1247846638 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION listens to Josef Suk's Fantastic Scherzo < 1247846638 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wurve this almost too much. < 1247846639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's empire + imperial! < 1247846640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that is the one they play there iirc? < 1247846646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Emperial/Imperial/ < 1247846651 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247846657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I mentally corrected it without noticing < 1247846657 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Believe so. < 1247846672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the theme comes up quite often; it's a bit of a leitmotif. ;) < 1247846750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point I was trying to make was that " you're not meant to notice [movie soundtracks]" isn't always true. Another example: The main music "signature" in the India Jones movies. < 1247846764 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-133-65.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247846793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1247846793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still. < 1247846810 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I at least listen to soundtracks... < 1247846820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about during the movie < 1247846821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes, you are usually meant to notice the leitmotifs of movies. < 1247846823 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including video game soundtracks. < 1247846849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have a abridged version of the complete star wars soundtracks on CD... Somewhere < 1247846862 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Then they do a crappy job by having leitmotifs. < 1247846865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, not everything, just the more popular stuff) < 1247846871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Believe me, they're noticable. ;) < 1247846899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, when I listened to the track "Yoda's theme" (iirc) it wasn't familiar. Because it was one of the fainter ones you weren't meant to notice... < 1247846903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from leitmotifs okay?! < 1247846915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, in that case star wars has two leitmotifs... < 1247846921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Empire one and the Rebel one < 1247846929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, shut up, all of you :P < 1247846943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þou. < 1247846952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, "Pou"? < 1247846968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I thought you had a φilter. < 1247846978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, φi is the only acceptable letter replacement. It's so pretty. < 1247846993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the end of movie 6 the Rebel leitmotif is *VERY* noticable. Well a variation on it I guess. A happier "triumphal" variant than heard earlier. < 1247846995 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þ = Th. Þ /= P < 1247847001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I preφer the closed version; not the one that looks like the uppercase one.) < 1247847012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If your φont has it closed, get a new φont.) < 1247847019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, forgot to put the filter script on autoload in the bouncer < 1247847023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed it now < 1247847047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÞOU FAIL'ST. < 1247847062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thou φails. < 1247847082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, please try that again? < 1247847085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þou haſt too much Greek. < 1247847094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Thou ɸails. < 1247847100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that is a different one < 1247847110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what is φ? It is missing from my filter < 1247847112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't. < 1247847124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ɸ and φ are missing < 1247847130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one is upper case < 1247847132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are the same character. < 1247847137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are both lowercase. < 1247847138 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all Greek to me. < 1247847153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, do they have any sensible meaning in that text? < 1247847164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just ehird messing around < 1247847171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they do. < 1247847200 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thou _ails." < 1247847204 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fill in the blank < 1247847210 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't THAT hard < 1247847211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, tails? nails? < 1247847219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fails? < 1247847221 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I 'dfill the blank with a blank < 1247847221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rails? < 1247847222 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaſter: I believe þat þou miſunderſtood the ɸraſe “It's all Greek to me”. < 1247847247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: I believe that thou misunderstood the ɸrase “It's all Greek to me”. <-- you are using it now. No way around providing a consistent mapping for it! < 1247847271 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intentionally misused it! HAH! < 1247847278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1247847291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster's next filtering trick will be to change all of my opinions to his. < 1247847327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that would require understanding what the text meant, thus requiring a strong AI~ ;P < 1247847339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it requires intelligence. < 1247847344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to partly understand me sometimes. < 1247847350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH! SNAP! < 1247847352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, to parse what you say? Probably not < 1247847365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excuse me, that was a burn for you, not me. < 1247847372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :φnyway. < 1247847395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway... you could just use a lookup table + a bit of fuzzy matching. Would need maybe 50-60 entries? < 1247847412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours could be a φne liner. < 1247847466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if you don't use φ consistently it seems completely pointless. < 1247847494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am usiφ it consistently; maybe you just caφt make out what sound it represents. < 1247847518 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247847520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see what it replaces: a, o, g (during the last few lines) < 1247847532 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ϕ and φ are both lowercase-phi, generated by \phi and \varphi in LaTeX, respectively. < 1247847551 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1247847556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"anyway" and "one". Same sound? Err? < 1247847556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You assume that phonology is directly related to spelling. < 1247847562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, dialect? < 1247847565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are wroφ. < 1247847712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is /wʌn/ and /ˈɛniweɪ/ same sound? < 1247847733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, beginning with same even < 1247847746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This really isφt difficult. < 1247847747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/one#Pronunciation http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/anyway#Pronunciation < 1247847763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure there are several for "one", but none seems to match < 1247847778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is that "isn't" or? < 1247847785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see... /ɪzɨnt/ < 1247847787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about it? < 1247847801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, /n/ ? < 1247847812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, "φnyway" was a typo. < 1247847822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should have been "aφyway" < 1247847825 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "φne"? < 1247847849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, must have been a typo too then. < 1247847868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed; "φe". < 1247847921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that removes the /wʌ/ ? < 1247847925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now it is /nn/ ? < 1247847928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1247848018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, would you replace "on" with φn then? < 1247848022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1247848064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I can't see how this makes sense for /wʌn/ being represented as "φe" assuming φ really is /n/ < 1247848072 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :φφφφ φφ φφφφφφ. < 1247848107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: And now I know the meaning of Life. < 1247848118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glider guns? < 1247848128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you try to argue that the orders of the sounds and their roughly corresponding letters are in reverse order < 1247848150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, knowing English, isn't *entirely* impossible < 1247848206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(knowing is not a good word here, the meaning I was trying to use it in doesn't work in there, does it?) < 1247848587 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works < 1247848788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it's a common idiom. < 1247849055 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1247849153 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77.100.194.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247849936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EMACS WITH A RESOUNDING SNAKE < 1247849990 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sssssssssssss < 1247849996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M-sssssssssssssssssssssssss < 1247850306 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esssssssssssssssssscape-meta-alt-control-ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssshift < 1247850352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six megabytesssssssssssssssss and conssssssssstantly sssssssssswapping < 1247850353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1247850354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eight. < 1247850468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to learn (La)TeX by writing lots of little expressions in it. < 1247850470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\prod_{k=n}^m x = x_n \times x_{n+1} \times \ldots \times x_{m-1} \times x_m < 1247850617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes I know that "knowing x, blah blah" is. but "knowing English" seemed to have a different meaning there. < 1247850624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me < 1247850643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might imply I'm not "knowing English" that well ;P < 1247850661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1247850668 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, it has the same meaning in this context. < 1247851276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, \[\prod_{k=n}^m x = x_n \times x_{n+1} \times \ldots \times x_{m-1} \times x_m\] typesets properly. < 1247851313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well of course it does. It's TeX -- where correct typesetting is the norm. < 1247851314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1247851341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I mean, I wrote it correctly. < 1247851407 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo. < 1247851454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, default TeX is kind of crap for not doing Unicode and the like. < 1247851464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you replaced TeX with XeTeX, I'd agree. < 1247852066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, http://filebin.ca/gyhqza/sums-and-products.pdf < 1247852102 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XeTeX is an implementation of the TeX language. < 1247852104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1247852223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can easily make a TeX implementation that looks really ugly < 1247852231 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I think that should be $\sum_{k=n}^m x_k$ instead of just $x$ there. < 1247852246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1247852247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it should be. < 1247852305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/vkuvr/sums-and-products.pdf < 1247852349 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sums and products are made of sugar and spice and everything nice. < 1247852362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verily. < 1247852371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should make a TeX expression _evaluator_. :-) < 1247852411 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's called Mathematica; it can ToExpression["input", TeXForm]. < 1247852418 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: well, as I kind of said, the context implies that they didn't. < 1247852429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't think it can evaluate my sum expression. < 1247852442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, it's not very semantic. < 1247852467 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You could write it in TeX. < 1247852472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eek. < 1247852483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX *is* Turing-complete. < 1247852483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ToExpression::esntx: Could not parse \sum_{k=n}^m x_k=x_n+x_{n+1}+ \ldots+x_{m-1}+x_m as Mathematica input. < 1247852496 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you guys are using single letters for digraφs again. < 1247852523 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :May I interest you in an eþ? < 1247852535 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like ðis, or Ðis in uppercase. < 1247852538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þou and þy þorn. < 1247852558 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and þy eþ. < 1247852565 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm totally pronouncing ðose "you" and, um, "yy". < 1247852585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to write a plugin φor φi replacement. < 1247852594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereby "plugin" I mean "patch to my IRC client". < 1247852614 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well now, that wasn't a very useful Mathematica session: http://pastebin.com/m147cd2e5 < 1247852626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct -- þ was written as "y" by early Enliſh typeſetters. ;) < 1247852650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :-D < 1247852659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Mark Twain loves them. < 1247852676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ? < 1247852680 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is ðere a capital ſ? < 1247852686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ingliy. < 1247852689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: No. < 1247852691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Yes; "S". < 1247852830 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets `f to render as ſ. < 1247852852 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prefers Compose f s < 1247852864 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ðis is madneſs! < 1247852890 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, ðis is ſparta. < 1247852907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test. Fuck. < 1247852914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test. Fuck. < 1247852917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1247852925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1247853143 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, ðis is madneß. < 1247853223 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡ssəupɐɯ < 1247853255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck. < 1247853257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn. < 1247853259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1247853261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn. < 1247853282 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having some trouble getting the fuck-mobile started? < 1247853287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you. < 1247853289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn. < 1247853303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck-fuck-fuck darn. < 1247853329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1247853363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :84en it seems to me like we should 102uck all 116e bru115els sprouts. < 1247853365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn. < 1247853371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:56:03 84en it seems to me like we should 102uck all 116e bru115els sprouts. < 1247853374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol wat. < 1247853454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1247853533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ðen I ðink we should φuck all ðe brußels sprouts. < 1247853556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: did ðat work? < 1247853559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't reφlected here. < 1247853569 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks worky. < 1247853575 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ðen I ðink we should φuck all ðe brußels sprouts. < 1247853581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1247853687 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Work'ſt. < 1247853716 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þou need'ſt moar ſ. < 1247853740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, mine is φar more elegant; a ðesis on what ðe most noble oφ men must do. Or someðing. < 1247853759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Repaste ðat, please.) < 1247853767 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:02 < ehird> No, mine is φar more elegant; a ðesis on what ðe most noble oφ men must do. Or someðing. < 1247853771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonderφul. < 1247853779 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOTO ſ O KURE. < 1247853789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moto eß o kure? < 1247853793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moto, eh, soak you? < 1247853804 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep reading φ as q, though. Wonder-qul. < 1247853814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonderqul. < 1247853835 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Moto = moar, kure = please (informal). < 1247853846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And s/o/wo/ < 1247853858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moar is never said wið please. < 1247853993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please" is a crappy translation of "kure". < 1247854216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ðen. < 1247854218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Φuck. < 1247854220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :φuck < 1247854222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bruß < 1247854224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ss < 1247854226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SS < 1247854228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Th < 1247854237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, I ðink we should fuck all ðe brussels sprouts. 100% < 1247854240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100ss < 1247854241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100%ß < 1247854243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100%ss < 1247854245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay. < 1247854275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I am an elegant, civilised person. < 1247854291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do impart unto me ðe secret "φs", so ðat I may incorporate it. < 1247854308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fs, raðer. < 1247854323 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ſ < 1247854334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy praise to ðou. < 1247854371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now wið 100% more ſ replacement. < 1247854380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247854384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wait, doeſ it apply at ðe end oφ a word? < 1247854397 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1247854405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit. < 1247854430 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor doeþ it apply after an s or an f. < 1247854438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :φſ. < 1247854439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit. < 1247854454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what about aφter an ß? < 1247854475 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often doþ þou write 'sss'? < 1247854485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point. < 1247854501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Φinally. < 1247854503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is perφects. < 1247854506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perſects. < 1247854508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perßects. < 1247854537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liſp. < 1247854545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cons 1 (cons 2 (cons 3 '()))) < 1247854547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1247854549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No change. :p < 1247854560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Hi, pikhq. < 1247854674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sal. < 1247854704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diſcombobulation. < 1247854857 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247855395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Haypreß Creek Supercomputer: 360 cores and 250 billion inſtructions per ſecond. On an 8cm x 8cm board." < 1247855397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://colorφorð.com/haypreß.htm < 1247855399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1247855405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://colorforth.com/haypreß.htm < 1247855407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://colorforth.com/haypress.htm < 1247855411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ðis could poſe a problem, pikhq. < 1247855422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1247855434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get around it? < 1247855483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm typing ſ and þ manually. < 1247855489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1247855501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about GregorR? < 1247855504 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that hard; just a compose key, and then two letters. < 1247855510 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He doesn't. < 1247855537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doeſn't what? < 1247855549 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get around it. < 1247855558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247855565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, I have %char to eſcape. < 1247855565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But. < 1247855571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well φraſe not char really < 1247855588 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-94-40.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1247856143 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah... I have, like, 6 wget wrappers now... < 1247856216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1247856259 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, 7, if you count the mp4 appending < 1247856282 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget from specific websites with varying amounts of preprocessing and cookies < 1247856336 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example I have one for YouTube videos I use < 1247856383 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247856746 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-163-126.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1247857173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1247857475 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1247857704 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247857769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, X crashed and I was unable to unfsck my terminal. Had to use sysrq. < 1247857781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION longs for newer kernels < 1247857815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there is work in progress to clean up graphics handling code in kernel < 1247857829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully it will also make handling X segfaulting easier < 1247857888 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will. < 1247857908 0 :Shuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1247857928 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All graphics mode changing will be done in the kernel, rather than the crazy junk that is having X override the kernel's graphics layer. < 1247858760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1247859047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how long before binary nvidia drivers start doing that? < 1247859060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1247859079 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Approximately forever. < 1247859097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so won't help me then < 1247859102 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same for binary ATI drivers, but that's okay because the binary ATI drivers are intended to be deprecated. < 1247859114 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks on how Nouveau's going < 1247859161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Nouveau already supports that. < 1247859175 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame it doesn't have stable 3D working. < 1247859214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yeah, I pretty much need that. If I can't do flightsim with 2x AA then I'm not changing. :P < 1247859234 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest you pick up an ATI card in the future. ;p < 1247859248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, when I got this card that would have been insane < 1247859308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1247859888 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247859901 0 :nescience!n=myndzi@70-58-88-38.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247859910 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1247860942 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1247861537 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Þou. <-- certainly not, that was a plural use. < 1247861625 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it was a ſingular in response to a plural. < 1247861635 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1247861638 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was explicitly telling ehird to shut up. :) < 1247861657 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alſo, I like only sometimes using ſ. :P < 1247861663 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1247861739 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemeneted auto-answer CTRL+A now (can be turned on and off with a configuration setting) < 1247861787 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can check to see if it works properly for you, please. < 1247861819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know what zzo38 is talking about < 1247861827 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:16 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from zzo38: PHIRC:0.2:PHP 4.4.0 on Windows NT 5.1 i586 < 1247861842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1247861848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vomits, vomits some more, and then feels an odd urge to vomit still more < 1247861861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:17 CTCP PING reply from zzo38: 0.503 seconds < 1247861880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean answers to those? < 1247861893 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(VERSION and PING) < 1247861906 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it auto answers to CTRL+A message VERSION and PING and also FINGER and TIME, if it is enabled < 1247861930 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1247861938 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It displays the CTRL+A message anyways, and then prints "AUTO ANSWERED" if it understood it and answered it < 1247861939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Ctrl-A/CTCP/ < 1247862047 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't know about FINGER. the reply (user id only) doesn't look too useful... < 1247862069 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gives idle time since the user typed in a command, also. < 1247862077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also, your clock is 4 minutes late or so :D < 1247862105 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: He uses Windows; NTP is done poorly there. < 1247862111 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know my clock on my computer is wrong, I think it is slow and that's why it is never correct < 1247862145 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Use a real OS; get your clock within milliseconds of accuracy. < 1247862156 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my windows clock is within the same minute as nvg's linux servers < 1247862173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1247862177 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247862187 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't checked whether it is more accurate than that. < 1247862201 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's how crappy Windows NTP is. < 1247862204 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next time I upgrade my operating system it won't be Windows, it will be a Linux distribution of my own design < 1247862224 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: because i don't have a _need_ for it, silly :D < 1247862227 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They take a protocol that makes it easy to get sub-second accuracy and make it get minute accuracy. < 1247862248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: See, that's where you're dumb. < 1247862250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could very well be on the second. < 1247862265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's not. < 1247862331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts checking < 1247862493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my clock seems to be up to a second late, but not more. < 1247862520 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you send FINGER, did you receive the number after the colon? What number did you get? < 1247862532 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :43 < 1247862569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"user:43" < 1247862588 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number after the colon is the idle time (counting only what the user actually typed to the server) < 1247862659 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1247862690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i interpreted that as "the user id is 43" :D < 1247862752 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose user is your actual username. given how my windows username happened to be the norwegian translation of that. < 1247862762 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might seem so, but if you send another time you might get a different answer and you can know that is not it. < 1247862769 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, "user" is my actual username < 1247862773 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i just did that < 1247862830 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see you just did that. It does display the message on the screen even if it auto-answer (it also displays the "AUTO ANSWERED" so I can know it did auto-answered) < 1247862982 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi does the first (in a different window) and also says "Unknown CTCP" if it doesn't know about it. < 1247863066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except ACTION which is in the same window of course) < 1247863527 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yay, \[\prod_{k=n}^m x = x_n \times x_{n+1} \times \ldots \times x_{m-1} \times x_m\] typesets properly. <-- i'm not quite sure but i think i would have used \cdots there. < 1247863540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i realiſed ðat recently < 1247863549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh ðat φilter's ſtill ðere < 1247863653 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think PHIRC is good IRC client? < 1247863670 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately there is no documentation yet < 1247863718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's written in ΦP and preliminary eſtimates ſuggeſt ðat ðere are 5 billion conφiguration options. < 1247863760 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is your writing replaced with other symbols? < 1247863770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ſoφiſticated. < 1247863783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is "sophisticated". < 1247863794 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I knew what it meant < 1247863808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Olde Engliſh, Icelandic and ſtuφφ and Greek. < 1247863814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means I'm, like, 3x ðe ſoφiſtication. < 1247863815 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell. PuTTY does support UTF-8 and will display it correctly < 1247863820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even iφ I'm not ſure "φφ" is valid. < 1247863841 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that http://filebin.ca/gyhqza/sums-and-products.pdf < 1247863851 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks a bit wrong to me < 1247863852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: look at ðe reviſed one < 1247863858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what looks wrong about it < 1247863872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart φrom not being \cdots < 1247863926 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHIRC actually has only 5 configuration options so far, and 16 slash-commands. If you put a slash it is interpret by client, if there is no slash then it will be sent to the server < 1247863935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bare x to the left of the equation sign < 1247863954 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs a k index in both cases < 1247864012 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1247864077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah why don't i read two lines down before commenting :D < 1247864192 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, and it does display asterisks when you are typing your password. < 1247864242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah :P < 1247864284 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It types asterisks, and green, if your command is PASS or /PASS even though there is no /PASS command. It might seem weird but it is possible to add /PASS command by add-in file < 1247864315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer, of course, is my neurotic fear of forgetting i was going to comment. < 1247864514 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1247864918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1247864921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally. < 1247865031 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1247865166 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1247865330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION teaches emacs and LaTeX to a non-programmer at the same time. < 1247865338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like juggling but harder. < 1247865571 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real juggling requires three balls. try adding some haskell. < 1247865622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles evilly. literally. < 1247865638 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I suspect that'd be easier for a non-programmer, *initially*. < 1247865648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, he is a math guy, so. < 1247865651 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simply because they have no expectations of how things work at all. < 1247865652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1247865664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just call LaTeX his gateway drug to programming :P < 1247865673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that's only starting out. < 1247865696 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the guy is into category theory, monads will freak him out longer than is usual. :P < 1247865711 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't talk of monads :( < 1247865713 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and corecursion might also do that. < 1247865721 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1247865756 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do {x <- (+1); y <- (+x); return (x,y)} $ 3 -- what's so hard about that? < 1247865758 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (4,7) < 1247865768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Corecursion is easy. < 1247865771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not anything special. < 1247865774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just infinite data structures, really < 1247865776 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: For programmers, sure. < 1247865787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no < 1247865788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I change my statement. < 1247865796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematics has it too < 1247865797 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/corecursion/recursion/ < 1247865801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1247865803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematics has recursion, dood. < 1247865808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of it. < 1247865826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And most people don't know enough math to get recursion. < 1247865887 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247865899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he does. :P < 1247865910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1247865920 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, the only hard part is going to be monads. < 1247865931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get recursion, you must first get recursion. < 1247865940 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :) < 1247865947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: data Z = Integer < 1247865952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call every function "f". < 1247865959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Actually, the idea of a "type system" might be slightly tricky. < 1247865960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put extraneous parentheses and pass multiple arguments in tuples. < 1247865962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. :P < 1247865965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Uh, mathematical functions are typed. < 1247865977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see "f : ℕ → ℕ" all the time. < 1247865998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm not sure what level of knowledge is involved here. < 1247866010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you usually use "f : ℕ × ℕ → ℕ". < 1247866013 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this someone that was competent at high-school mathematics, or an actual math geek? < 1247866019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be (Integer,Integer) -> Integer, of course. < 1247866023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Latter. < 1247866034 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, good. < 1247866064 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was the former, they've probably only seen functions on the reals and the complex numbers. Types are brain-breaking from that background. < 1247866078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't think you get many higher-order functions in mathematics. < 1247866096 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda calculus is math. < 1247866097 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1247866099 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1247866104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is all programming. < 1247866112 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touché. < 1247866130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of it is more formal than others, of course. < 1247866139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dijkstra! < 1247866147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1247866365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, copying track names from a cd sleeve is hard for me.... Since I'm used to touch typing I can't type *without* looking at the screen. < 1247866377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not used to touch typing < 1247866381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just get your feedback after the fact. < 1247866389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :touch typing is simply not needing to look. < 1247866416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I can type without looking, just my head constantly wants to pull away and look at the screen, automatically. < 1247866419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see what I mean < 1247866461 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :integration and derivation are higher-order functions, you know :) < 1247866469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often-times carry on a conversation, talking to someone else, doing the eye contact bit and everything, while still talking. It kinda surprises people that I can do that, but. :) < 1247866479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you don't think of them as functions though, reall. < 1247866480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really. < 1247866481 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, and many people don't realise this at all. ;) < 1247866497 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has. < 1247866503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Let me confirm. Your third-last statement is a way of saying: < 1247866509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I can carry on a conversation normally."? < 1247866516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1247866517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking = typing. < 1247866519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right? < 1247866538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; talking to someone IRL while typing on the computer. < 1247866541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1247866543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I meant. < 1247866553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't, but that's just because my conversation engine is singletasking. < 1247866568 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, single-tasking. < 1247866583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't help it. If you want to talk to me, you'd better be prepared to wait a minute. :) < 1247866590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1247866592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://xkcd.com/604/ < 1247866605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get that but i also can't type any more < 1247866641 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1247866749 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1247867648 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually when i try to multitask conversations, i stop both conversations. < 1247867660 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wait for one of them to end < 1247867676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta hibernation < 1247867847 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been asked to ask you guys to takl < 1247867849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*talk < 1247867877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: by whom < 1247867916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :judging by all the squirming, somesorta worm. < 1247867942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this person, like, in here < 1247867952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1247867958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my ear < 1247867959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh < 1247867963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why'd they want us to talk :D < 1247867970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also are you implying it's you. < 1247867975 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watching my screen < 1247868016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear person watching the screen: YOU'RE A DICK. < 1247868035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Kon'nitiha. Hazimemasite? Dōzo yorosiku onegaisimasu. < 1247868068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in calculus, while integration and derivation are higher-order functions in the sense that they are functions on functions, there's a clear separation of functions that are data and the -ations them selves < 1247868068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, < 1247868071 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*themsels < 1247868074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*themselves < 1247868077 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Saluton! Kiel vi fartas? < 1247868092 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esperanto, i presume? < 1247868106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hello! how do we travel?" < 1247868120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1247868136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... not completely correct? < 1247868143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the japanese? < 1247868165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard introduction. < 1247868169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also translate the esperanto in case there were subtle errors < 1247868178 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in mine < 1247868180 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hi! How are you?" < 1247868201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you specify that a bit < 1247868204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the esperanto < 1247868230 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Farti, IIRC, was "fare", not "travel". :P < 1247868243 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not, then I feel dumb. < 1247868245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1247868255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do realize i don't know even one word of esperanto < 1247868265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha. < 1247868296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "travel" was a joke, although admittedly i didn't come up with fare < 1247868304 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fare as in somekinda do? < 1247868337 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you are mean < 1247868345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mean boy < 1247868352 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yeah. < 1247868364 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making sure... for some reason < 1247868371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: PERSON ON SCREEN IS BITCH ASS < 1247868382 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shouts: FROMAĜU! < 1247868390 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheese? < 1247868413 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: aren't you the one who's on screen? < 1247868421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1247868423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1247868425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1247868486 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: In the imperative sense. < 1247868500 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1247869004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm do you \usepackage{amsmath}? it doesn't help that _I'm_ lerning latex too < 1247869014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amssymb+amsmath seems to fuck up fonts here < 1247869043 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have done, when i actually wrote stuff < 1247869146 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: tangent spaces of manifolds can be defined as consisting of derivation operators. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangent_space#Definition_via_derivations < 1247869174 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no, there is not a clear separation. < 1247869328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk again < 1247869368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just meant in the usual bore-calculus. < 1247869399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know anything about manifolds yet, have to wait till sunday < 1247869401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone used auctex? < 1247869409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the command to run latex? i can only get it from the mode menu < 1247870120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/qy8jN.jpg < 1247870164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: latex < 1247870174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if you're using xetex, xelatex < 1247870177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Congratulations! I give you the Does Not Know What AUCTeX Is award. < 1247870182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Didn't Check Before Answering. :P < 1247870206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY! < 1247871610 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah i see you found out where all my vague recalls come from < 1247871628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1247871775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts scanning the reddit alien soap comments for the obligatory "but is it made from _real_ reddit aliens?" < 1247871960 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/scanning/slowly crawling through/ < 1247872167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm in mathematics is there actually a difference between x_n and x(n)? < 1247872176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there never seems to be < 1247872188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not really < 1247872246 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it sort of depends on whether it's intuitively an index or not. < 1247872281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1247872291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does it makes sense to say 'x : N -> N' if it's x_n? < 1247872306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik yes < 1247872321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it may not be correct style < 1247872346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1247872358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably depends on subject, like everything else < 1247872415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose this is sort of a kind of weak typing, just to guide intuition < 1247872421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1247872505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, doing multiline equations in latex is a pain < 1247872597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm at 282 edits now. :P And I added something that wasn't classical music last. < 1247872608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Is it? < 1247872611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still nothing you will ever have heard of < 1247872613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to figure out \begin{align} in latex < 1247872614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes. < 1247872622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to align the : of a type of a function and its definition < 1247872625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh? < 1247872632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and I can't figure out how :D < 1247872650 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1247872654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the : is aligning to the start of the = < 1247872657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to the middle < 1247872685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: \eqnarray ? < 1247872686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, translated title is roughly (but with the puns lost): "The best of Povel Ramel". He was a Swedish comedian and jazz musician. Most of his works would be untranslatable. < 1247872699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: first result on google is "Avoid eqnarray!" < 1247872702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colour me unimperssed :) < 1247872704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unimpressed < 1247872705 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247872715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abstract Whenever the eqnarray environment appears in a question or an example < 1247872715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of a problem on comp.text.tex or the TEXhax mailing list there is a large < 1247872716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chance that someone will tell the poster not to use eqnarray. This article < 1247872718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will provide some examples of why many of us consider eqnarray to be < 1247872720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harmful and why it should not be used. < 1247872725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that was a boxed set of 5 cds. Did you know what the titles ended up like thanks ot MB guidelines? < 1247872728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is hilarious < 1247872736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what? < 1247872745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :example: < 1247872746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Det bästa av Povels mångsidor: Karamelodier i kategorier (disc 4: Tvålar, Corkar och kokosnötter: Povel - Bearbetaren) < 1247872764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks quite sane to me. < 1247872767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, couldn't use , for newline in the subtitle of the disc, since that was already used in the title < 1247872772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so had to switch to : < 1247872793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, seems to be used quite often for that otherwise < 1247872804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- was used too in the title as you can see < 1247872843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh and google translate won't be much use. Two made up words. < 1247872975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't have a coconut to fail at opening :( < 1247873116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :) < 1247873142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Are you flying though? < 1247873179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1247873187 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot find the lyrics to it either < 1247873197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Possibly with a cone filled with caramels? < 1247873227 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the same song? i don't recall _that_ many povel ramel songs... < 1247873236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, are you at Blue Hawaii? < 1247873247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not *exact* names. Some got lost in translation < 1247873267 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue hawaii rings a bell, but isn't that vikingarna or something? < 1247873273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247873295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Titta jag flyger", "Tänk dig en strut karameller", "Vårt eget Blue Hawaii", and you mented "Far jag kan inte få upp min kokosnöt" < 1247873314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, But whatever you do, don't buy a zebra? Ok? < 1247873316 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so blue hawaii _is_ his < 1247873326 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will try to avoid it < 1247873344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, did you remember that one? It is hilarious :) < 1247873377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why not listen to something happy? Like a blues? < 1247873384 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no real bell there < 1247873398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Köp inte en zebra" and "En glad blues" < 1247873438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I have a book with music sheets and lyrics for a lot (far from all of course) by Povel Ramel < 1247873476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read somewhere that Povel Ramel was more productive than Mozart even, if you count in number of different music pieces! < 1247873501 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may well be. i happened to look at his wikipedia page the other day < 1247873526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, it could be argued that in most cases Mozart's works were much longer, having several movements and so on) < 1247873557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never seen any "total bar count" or "total note count" for either. < 1247873583 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was looking through the novelty songs category, and came upon the original english song kokosnöttar was translated from < 1247873611 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-ar < 1247873636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it called < 1247873654 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts" < 1247873669 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone is sitting in a row! < 1247873673 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big ones, small ones < 1247873677 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some as big as your head! < 1247873688 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give them a twist, a flick of the wrist, that's what the showman said! < 1247873698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247873730 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same melody i assume, but the text is quite different < 1247873749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1247873755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to be getting a little better at TeX. < 1247873789 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and although i can only recall the beginning, i vaguely think ramel's was funnier than that < 1247873812 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSzeE0YysV0 < 1247874065 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what michael jackson was doing in there i cannot say. < 1247874081 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea < 1247874091 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's a joke on Michael Jackson being white < 1247874098 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you know the ethnic slur coconut) < 1247874114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1247874147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders about the comment claiming it isn't monty python anyway < 1247874207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merv Griffin's recording with Freddie Martin and His Orchestra is often miscredited to Monty Python on the Internet. The Martin/Griffin version reached the Billboard retail Top 10 and is widely reported to be a million-seller. < 1247874225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh i spelled kokosnöt wrong < 1247874233 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew :( < 1247874252 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cocoa snot? < 1247874291 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws a coconut at pikhq (@) < 1247874304 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247874359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I came home Sunday and immediately fell asleep. I dreamt of an army of monkeys. Not The Army of The Twelve Monkeys, just a run-of-the-mill army of an indeterminate number of monkeys. Not an infinite number of monkeys, although the monkeys were willing to commit suicide by solving an infinite number of simultaneous equations. They were ascending a staircase of some sort. A golden staircase, ascending to Heaven. Good Lord, not a Stairway To Heaven, but ye < 1247874362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s, there was a stairway involved, and Heaven. And monkeys. Perhaps it was a non-golden staircase, but began its ascent from the Golden Gate Bridge. But there were definitely monkeys. Monkeys solving an infinite number of simultaneous equations, and then dying. They were mathematical martyrs. Mathematical martyr monkeys." < 1247874388 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ramel's lyrics are _definitely_ funnier < 1247874395 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws an IO Coconut at oerjan. < 1247874408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one can have side effects! < 1247874417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION refuses to go near the IO monad, so there! < 1247874437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION returns oerjan in the IO monad < 1247874461 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh! < 1247874545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oleg's a true Monad a. < 1247874550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Get it? GET IT?) < 1247874595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do < 1247874595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1247874596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get < 1247874598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it < 1247874640 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. *sad trumpet* < 1247874652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad a → alpha monad < 1247874654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alpha male < 1247874656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's soooo funny < 1247874659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really funny < 1247874659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1247874661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's soooooo funny < 1247874673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Oleg's an instance of monad, eh? < 1247874682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO THAT IS NOT THE JOKE YOU SUCK < 1247874693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird<$>Oleg < 1247874719 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other way around, possibly. < 1247874722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: LEARN DE JOKE < 1247874774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently ehird can no longer distinguish greek and roman letters. < 1247874805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :89f7$$ < 1247874881 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Functor off. < 1247874888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You suck. < 1247874897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You ſuck. < 1247874914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I do. < 1247875080 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur will be so pleased. < 1247875092 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1247875197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I don't think sucking is some sort of uncommon action. :-P