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01:38:45 <ehird> "I was rather hoping to see a mesmerizing dance of alligators forever consuming one another."
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03:07:02 <Warrigal> It appears that the Latin word "recludere" is an antonym of itself.
03:07:14 <Warrigal> Hence the contrary meanings of "reclude" and "recluse".
03:11:57 <oerjan> erm how so?
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03:21:06 <oerjan> grmbl; recludere latin antonym gives a google hit that would have been perfect, _if_ it had actually contained recludere anywhere.  but no, google claims it exists only in a link to the page.  but link:http://laudatortemporisacti.blogspot.com/2005/03/auto-antonyms.html gives _no_ hits.
03:22:16 <oerjan> (anyway i get that it can mean both open and enclose, although i haven't found a single page that says both)
03:24:09 * oerjan googles more, finds http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Recluse&fromAsk=true&o=100074 says so down at the page
03:24:34 <oerjan> apparently it's a classical vs. late latin thing
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05:16:04 <Warrigal> It sounds like you've found it.
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05:20:06 <pikhq> XMonad is hard.
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07:01:36 <calamari> hi
07:01:55 <calamari> GregorR: so which new watch do you have?
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12:53:10 <ehird> 04:20 pikhq: XMonad is hard. \
12:53:17 <ehird> even among the tilers i don't really like xmonad
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13:41:52 <ehird> Meanwhile, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-racist_mathematics
13:49:11 <Deewiant> Reminds me of http://blogs.chron.com/gamehacks/2009/07/racism_in_video_games_the_new.html#more
13:50:25 <ehird> "One of the games that comes to mind is "Left 4 Dead 2." Though the game isn't out yet, it's already causing an uproar. Set in New Orleans, players will have to fight their way through hordes of zombies - with several of them who appear to be African-Americans. When I saw the first trailer for the game, all I could think about was Hurricane Katrina and the aftermath. Setting the game in a city that was scene of dead, bloated bodies floating by so soon af
13:50:27 <ehird> terward was a bad call, IMHO."
13:50:29 <ehird> Ahahahaha
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15:17:37 <ehird> Deewiant: btw http://blogs.chron.com/gamehacks/2009/07/racism_in_video_games_the_new.html is satire... right?
15:17:52 <ehird> i mean i need to know
15:17:56 <ehird> the comments
15:17:58 <ehird> they're all serious
15:24:42 <Deewiant> ehird: It's not
15:24:47 <Deewiant> AFAIK anyway
15:24:51 <ehird> Deewiant: Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
15:25:25 <Deewiant> http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/07/15/houston-chronicle-racism-becoming-norm-gaming http://www.destructoid.com/left-4-dead-2-is-racist-because-several-zombies-are-black-139960.phtml
15:25:25 <ehird> Deewiant: Dude, it says that setting a game in New Orleans 4 years after a hurricane there is in bad taste.
15:25:39 <ehird> Nobody is that stupid. Nobody. ...Please tell me nobody is that stupid.
15:25:41 <Deewiant> ehird: It also says that the game is racist because it contains black people.
15:25:49 <ehird> I knowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww what the fuck
15:25:55 <ehird> C'mon it's gotta be satire
15:26:00 <Deewiant> Originally via http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/91zha/left_4_dead_2_is_racist_because_several_zombies/
15:26:04 <Deewiant> Well
15:26:12 <Deewiant> Nobody thinks it's satire
15:26:42 <Deewiant> And you'd think that if it were and he'd get all the hatemail he's probably getting he might edit it to say "this is satire you idiots"
15:28:08 <ehird> baha
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15:31:04 <ehird> Deewiant:
15:31:07 <ehird> Comments update: Here are a few excerpts from comments that haven't been posted ...
15:31:08 <ehird> "Either the entire colour spectrum (as in humanity) is wrong to kill, and we should use aliens/dogs instead, or NO ONE is wrong to kill."
15:31:10 <ehird> Seriously? Madskillz posted his opinion about the topic. You are encouraged to do the same, but comments with name calling and bad language won't be published. I know many of you are coming from other sites, so please feel welcome and thanks for stopping by. However, if you can't keep it civil, go away.
15:31:15 <ehird> Damn, that comment was so uncivil
15:31:20 <ehird> Are you really sure about this
15:31:45 <Deewiant> Of course not
15:31:52 <Deewiant> How would I knoow
15:31:54 <Deewiant> -o
15:32:26 <ehird> :P
15:35:54 <ehird> Deewiant: the author is mentally insane, something about curing cancer or something
15:35:57 <ehird> Can scientist be wrong? Find out THE TRUTH
15:36:00 <ehird> →
15:36:00 <ehird> http://dukecitygamerz.com/
15:36:03 <ehird> er wait
15:36:04 <ehird> that's a frame
15:36:05 <ehird> →
15:36:07 <ehird> http://jeffeco.com
15:36:24 <ehird> → Frames → Prophecy.  Teleportation.
15:36:35 <ehird> Jefferson's Law. Jefferson's Law. Jefferson's Law.
15:36:49 <ehird> I think he thinks he's a prophet or something.
15:39:09 <Deewiant> :-)
15:39:55 <ehird> He appears to be a different person, which means that this person isn't a crackpot; he's that even crazier species, a follower of a crackpot.
16:16:56 <GregorR> ...
16:17:01 <GregorR> …
16:17:08 <GregorR> ………...………
16:17:29 <ehird> GregorR: …………………………………………………………………...
16:17:31 <ehird> Spot the non-…
16:17:39 <ehird> Hint: it's at the end.
16:17:39 <GregorR> Pretty easy in this monospace font :P
16:18:08 <GregorR> Is your IRC font non-monospace?
16:19:53 <GregorR> I love that unicode has characters like ½ and ⅜ ... seems so futile :P
16:20:22 <ehird> yes, my irc font is proportional
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16:52:00 <AnMaster> GregorR, what about 9/32 ?
16:52:16 <GregorR> Exactly!
16:52:30 <GregorR> It's futile because there's always infinitely more fractions NOT supported than supported :P
16:53:17 <AnMaster> GregorR, ½ is even mapped to Shift-§ on this keyboard layout...
16:53:17 <AnMaster> hm
16:55:09 <AnMaster> GregorR, but yeah, it is a typography thing. Just use \nicefrac{9}{32}  (iirc)
17:03:22 <Zuu> im afraid that not many IRC client support tex
17:05:56 <GregorR> This is #esoteric, everybody's brains support TeX :P
17:08:32 <Zuu> yeah, it's just such a hazzle installing new packages
17:13:19 <pikhq> GregorR: Unicode has a combining / .
17:13:29 <pikhq> It combines two surrounding numbers into a single fraction.
17:13:37 <pikhq> (sadly, it's not well-supported)
17:14:37 <Zuu> sadly typography is so darn complex
17:15:12 <pikhq> This is why everything should render via TeX.
17:15:44 <pikhq> (preferably XeTeX)
17:16:50 * Zuu would prefer everyone agreeing on simplifying typography
17:25:28 <Zuu> does there even exist a single characterset able to represent all of unicode ?
17:26:27 <ehird> Uhh, yeah. Unicode.
17:26:44 <Zuu> i meant, font
17:26:45 <Zuu> :P
17:26:47 <ehird> Code2000?
17:27:07 <Zuu> code2000 is a font?
17:27:08 <Deewiant> No single font has all of Unicode
17:27:15 <Deewiant> Yes, it is a foont
17:27:20 <Deewiant> Font.
17:27:47 <Deewiant> It might have all of the BMP.
17:28:19 <ehird> code2000 has private assignment stuff too
17:30:17 <Zuu> apparently there are later versions of code2000 that supports more than just the bmp
17:30:32 <Zuu> but the bmp is still a tiny part of unicode
17:30:40 <Deewiant> Yes, there's 2001 and 2002
17:32:42 <Zuu> that guy must have been busy creating all those gylphs, if wikipedia is right, that one guy designed it
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18:26:47 <ehird> "The Pre is one of the first smartphones to feature wireless charging, using electromagnetic induction through an optional wireless charging dock (dubbed the "Touchstone") and a special back cover, which also is sold separately.[16] Users can still charge the phone using the supplied MicroUSB cable."
18:26:49 <ehird> Oh man!
18:27:48 <Deewiant> Pre?
18:28:11 <ehird> Deewiant: palm's comeback — linux-based, touchscreen smartphone with qwerty keyboard
18:28:21 <ehird> iphone + qwerty keyboard + multitasking + differences.
18:28:23 <ehird> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Pre
18:28:39 <Deewiant> You could've just said "Palm Pre". :-)
18:28:39 <ehird> a bit closer to the g1 than the iphone really
18:28:47 <ehird> Deewiant: oh.
18:28:51 <ehird> i misinterpreted the question, y'see.
18:29:16 <Deewiant> Well, I didn't know that much about the Palm Pre anyway so it wasn't in vain
18:29:47 <ehird> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Motorola_V70.jpg wow this is the ugliest phone i've ever seen
18:53:20 <GregorR> Well, that's very wtf.
18:53:44 <ehird> what is
18:55:51 <GregorR> That phone.
18:55:56 <GregorR> That CELLULAR TELEPHONE.
18:56:13 <ehird> Yes.
18:56:27 <pikhq> That TELLULAR CELEPHONE
18:56:43 <GregorR> That TELL YOU LARS, CELLOPHANE
18:57:12 <pikhq> (what, exactly, a tellular celephone is is left as an exercise for the reader)
18:57:31 <ehird> That tell you lars, chloroform.
18:58:10 <ehird> That telled, you liars, chloroform.
18:58:12 <ehird> That told, you liars, chloroform.
18:58:16 <ehird> […]that told you liars: chloroform.
18:58:37 <ehird> Phone → […]that told you liars: chloroform.
19:08:57 <AnMaster> <pikhq> It combines two surrounding numbers into a single fraction. <-- that won't work for multi-digit numbers will it?
19:09:18 <pikhq> AnMaster: It's supposed to.
19:09:23 <pikhq> It often doesn't.
19:09:44 <AnMaster> pikhq, what if I want to write 1½ then? or (11)/2
19:09:48 <AnMaster> how can it possibly know
19:10:06 <pikhq> Space.
19:10:19 <GregorR> But 1 ½ is laaaaaaaaaaame
19:10:25 <GregorR> Although you could always use a zero-width space.
19:10:28 <GregorR> This is Unicode after all.
19:10:47 <AnMaster> ah yeah that
19:12:04 <pikhq> Man, zero-width space.
19:12:13 <GregorR> 1⁄4 ¼
19:12:18 <GregorR> Doesn't look close to me.
19:12:24 <GregorR> Anybody see them right?
19:12:28 <GregorR> (That is, the same)
19:12:48 <AnMaster> GregorR, no?
19:12:56 <AnMaster> GregorR, is that the combining / ?
19:13:00 <fizzie> Not here either. It seems really rather unsupported.
19:13:01 <GregorR> Yes.
19:13:12 <GregorR> Å <- also combining
19:13:16 <GregorR> Hey, that worked for me :)
19:13:26 <AnMaster> GregorR, I guess ehird might... considering how he even loves those horrible "extra wide Latin" chars...
19:13:37 <fizzie> "Normal" combining characters work in many places, but that thing is really rather freaky.
19:13:39 <AnMaster> (which IMO is a question of typography...)
19:13:45 <GregorR> Yuh
19:13:46 <pikhq> GregorR: The combining / is not well-supported. At all. ;)
19:13:58 <ehird> AnMaster - offering his unprofessional opinions on things he doesn't know about or understand since 2007
19:14:05 <ehird> GregorR: It displas like 1/4 for me.
19:14:07 <ehird> But with a more angley /.
19:14:20 <GregorR> Ah yes, more angley.
19:14:25 <AnMaster> GregorR, ?
19:14:49 <ehird> AnMaster sure is having trouble ignoring me without ignoring me.
19:14:51 <pikhq> I believe on Macs, 111/411 gets treated as 11¼11.
19:15:00 <ehird> pikhq: You're very wrong.
19:15:05 <pikhq> Which is... Pretty failtastic.
19:15:12 <ehird> pikhq: you can't hear me, but you're wrong.
19:15:16 <ehird> No such thing happens.
19:15:18 <AnMaster> pikhq, worse than not handling it at all IMO
19:15:37 <pikhq> Absolutely.
19:15:52 <AnMaster> GregorR, what was "more angley"?
19:15:54 <pikhq> At least by not handling it, you still get the same meaning carried across...
19:15:56 <ehird> pikhq and AnMaster sitting in a tree, i-g-n-o-r-i-ng. First comes misinformation, then comes groupthink, then comes a little antifanboyism... somethinging.
19:16:18 <AnMaster> pikhq, indeed
19:16:18 <ehird> (ng is pronounced "unggg".)
19:16:31 <GregorR> þ̰̃
19:16:38 <GregorR> Bleh, doesn't display quite right.
19:16:43 <AnMaster> <GregorR> th̰̃ <-- err?
19:16:50 <AnMaster> a ~ below and above the h?
19:16:50 <GregorR> Ñ
19:16:58 <AnMaster> N with two dots above?
19:16:59 <GregorR> AnMaster: Hah, you converted my thorn into a 'th' X-D
19:17:11 <GregorR> AnMaster: It was a thorn with two tildes :P
19:17:13 <AnMaster> GregorR, selecting that text yeilds interesting results
19:17:16 <AnMaster> I mean the N one
19:17:22 <fizzie> There's also a separate "fraction numerator one" character, ⅟ which you can stick in front of numbers to have any one-per-x fraction.
19:17:25 <AnMaster> when I select it, the ~ move to after the N
19:17:35 <AnMaster> ⅟4
19:17:36 <AnMaster> err
19:17:39 <AnMaster> that looks unbalanced here
19:17:41 <AnMaster> to say the least
19:17:56 <fizzie> Around here it doesn't really mangle the other numbers, but in a non-monospaced text field it gets a slight bit on top of it.
19:17:59 <AnMaster> as in, a much larger 4
19:18:03 <fizzie> Sure.
19:18:33 <AnMaster> fizzie, in my irc window that doesn't combine at all. In a variable width window I had open, it did
19:18:45 <pikhq> GregorR: Displays right here.
19:18:52 <pikhq> In my MONOSPACE TERMINAL.
19:19:09 <AnMaster> pikhq, N with ~ above displayed right in my monospace font too
19:19:19 <AnMaster> Dejavu Sans Mono
19:19:29 <AnMaster> just not when selecting it
19:19:30 <pikhq> Dejavu Sans Mono in urxvt.
19:19:33 <pikhq> In irssi in screen.
19:19:41 <pikhq> And works right when selecting.
19:19:42 <AnMaster> pikhq what happens when you select it?
19:19:45 <AnMaster> hm ok
19:19:50 <pikhq> I select the character.
19:19:53 <GregorR> o̸̘̲̐̑̒̈́ͨ
19:19:59 <GregorR> Heh, that fekked up X-D
19:20:03 <pikhq> (physical, not Unicode)
19:20:08 <pikhq> GregorR: Heh.
19:20:13 <AnMaster> pikhq, I blame using xchat (I am atm, since erc isn't very good for dcc... which I was using atm)
19:20:16 <GregorR> No PRONOUNCE THAT
19:20:19 <GregorR> *Now
19:20:28 <AnMaster> in erc... (also open) selecting it works
19:20:43 <pikhq> I CANT PRONOUNCE THE NO-CHARACTER-IN-FONT BOX
19:20:44 <AnMaster> possibly due to using qt (konsole 3.5.10) rather than GTK+ (xchat)
19:20:48 <fizzie> I personally like the "combining enclosing *" characters best out of the combining characters. There's a diamond  d⃟  and a square  s⃞  and a circle-backslash  Z⃠  and even the keycap  K⃣  and the screen  w⃢  ones.
19:20:56 <AnMaster> <GregorR> o̸̘̲̐̑̒̈́ͨ <-- is it?
19:21:09 <GregorR> Isn't it?
19:21:12 <pikhq> AnMaster: No surprise; Emacs has rather good Unicode support.
19:21:12 <AnMaster> it renders badly yes in xchat. but not in the xchat input field
19:21:16 <AnMaster> looks like a bad bird?
19:21:20 <pikhq> (it was written by the Japanese government)
19:21:31 <AnMaster> pikhq, yeah, since a few versions. Was horrible unicode support before that
19:21:48 <pikhq> Those were dark times.
19:21:54 <AnMaster> pikhq, *anyway* since it is actually the console that renders it when emacs runs in text mode...
19:22:03 <AnMaster> I'm not sure how relevant emacs handling is here
19:22:04 <pikhq> Mmm.
19:22:13 <pikhq> Not very.
19:22:21 <AnMaster> <AnMaster> <GregorR> o̸̘̲̐̑̒̈́ͨ <-- is it? <-- looks like a bird in the xchat input field?
19:22:25 <AnMaster> possibly
19:22:32 <pikhq> Unless you've got Emacs rendering Unicode in plain ASCII.
19:22:44 <AnMaster> pikhq, that would be lossy wouldn't it?
19:22:49 <AnMaster> oh and, how?
19:22:52 <GregorR> That's one effed up bird.
19:23:03 <AnMaster> GregorR, what was it supposed to be...
19:23:10 <pikhq> No, it displays stuff like ñ as \~n
19:23:32 <GregorR> AnMaster: an 'o' with a sh**ton of diacritical marks? :P
19:23:34 <AnMaster> let me take screenshot
19:23:36 <pikhq> Well, I guess it *is* lossy, but nowhere near as lossy as you'd think.
19:23:46 <GregorR> AnMaster: A mess is what it's supposed to be.
19:24:44 <GregorR> Hi͒
19:24:49 <GregorR> Hahaha, fermata on the i.
19:24:58 <GregorR> Now if you read that it'll be the longest "Hi" ever :P
19:25:15 <AnMaster> GregorR, http://omploader.org/vMjAyOA
19:25:16 <GregorR> Also, 1/9 = 1.1͒
19:25:31 <GregorR> Yup, that's the mess I typed :P
19:25:52 <AnMaster> GregorR, "1/9 = 1.1͒" <-- what is the dirt on the top of the second 1?
19:25:58 <GregorR> A fermata :P
19:26:24 <AnMaster> GregorR, err.. that makes no sense
19:26:26 <fizzie> It looks more birdy without the red underlining.
19:26:27 <AnMaster> that is for notes.
19:26:43 <AnMaster> fizzie, yeah I know
19:27:13 <GregorR> Incidentally, the fact that it doesn't display properly in the text field in XChat is the font, not XChat.
19:27:16 <AnMaster> wait, the window bg in xchat isn't white? Looking at the screenshot placed on white bg...
19:27:55 <AnMaster> GregorR, I know. But I also blame GTK+ rendering. Since the channel window uses the same font as my terminal...
19:28:08 <AnMaster> and it renders better in konsole than in xchat
19:28:20 <AnMaster> so clearly there is something more than just dejavu having issues.
19:28:20 <GregorR> And your terminal can figure it out???
19:28:20 <GregorR> Mine sure as heck can't :P
19:28:34 <AnMaster> GregorR, konsole from KDE 3.5.10
19:28:36 <fizzie> Gimp says the main window background is #fafafa.
19:28:50 <GregorR> Do re mi fa fa fa sol la si do
19:29:28 <fizzie> And it indeed looks better in my rxvt-unicode than xchat, even though both are using dejavu sans mono for the main text.
19:29:45 <GregorR> Hm
19:29:46 <AnMaster> GregorR, what has that got to do with this, huh? (sing to scale)
19:30:02 <GregorR> Do re mi #fafafa sol la si do
19:30:03 <AnMaster> unless I got syllable count wrong
19:30:29 <AnMaster> GregorR, what the hell are you on about...
19:30:57 <fizzie> I assume it was a reference to my #fafafa comment.
19:31:03 <AnMaster> ah
19:31:06 <AnMaster> right
19:31:18 <GregorR> Y̲̅e̲̅s̲̅
19:32:24 <fizzie> "Y͟͞e͟͞s͟͞." looks better here. No breaks in the lines.
19:32:47 <fizzie> (That's with combining double macron below/above.)
19:33:51 <GregorR> Espan̾ol
19:34:00 <Warrigal> Y̲̅e̲̅s̲̅ looks better than Y͟͞e͟͞s͟͞ here. You can't see the top of the Y in Y͟͞e͟͞s͟͞; it's squished.
19:34:05 <GregorR> The confused version of Español
19:34:10 <fizzie> V⃨⃛e⃨⃛r⃨⃛y⃨⃛ ⃨⃛u⃨⃛s⃨⃛e⃨⃛f⃨⃛u⃨⃛l⃨⃛.
19:34:23 <GregorR> I WURVE UNICODE
19:35:03 <fizzie> Unicode should have a fancy logo-glyph, something like the TeX/LaTeX logos.
19:35:37 <GregorR> You should be able to draw arbitrary artistic works with Unicode alone.
19:35:42 <AnMaster> <Warrigal> Y̲̅e̲̅s̲̅ looks better than Y͟͞e͟͞s͟͞ here. You can't see the top of the Y in Y͟͞e͟͞s͟͞; it's squished. <-- here the latter one looks better, In the former one the Y is squished for me. So the opposite of your one
19:35:43 <AnMaster> :P
19:35:51 <GregorR> Combining pixel in cell 0,0
19:35:53 <pikhq> Y̲̅e̲̅s̲̅ looks better than Y͟͞e͟͞s͟͞ here. The second one is a bunch of boxes.
19:35:56 <GregorR> Combining pixel in cell 0,1
19:36:06 <AnMaster> unless you mean in the channel window, then the former is messy
19:36:06 <pikhq> GregorR: There's space free.
19:36:24 <Deewiant> fizzie: It's exactly the other way around here: yours has breaks, GregorR's doesn't.
19:36:27 <AnMaster> GregorR, the second one is better. In both channel window and input line.
19:36:31 <pikhq> ... WTF?
19:36:40 <pikhq> How did something from an IM session get here?
19:36:42 <AnMaster> and fizzie's break too
19:36:59 <pikhq> Ah well. "I like cycling" is probably the least embarassing thing to mispaste.
19:36:59 <Deewiant> "Here" being PuTTY on Vista
19:37:20 <AnMaster> pikhq, I didn't see it anywhere?
19:37:26 <fizzie> The box drawing set has all possible sets of quadrants, so you get 4 pixels per cell like that. ▗▚▚▄▟▀▀ and so on.
19:37:38 <GregorR> fizzie: Schweet!
19:37:40 <pikhq> AnMaster: It looked like it; something weird with terminal.
19:37:42 <GregorR> fizzie: Now to make a GIMP plugin
19:38:16 <pikhq> This unicdoe is fucking with my terminal. :(
19:38:21 <AnMaster> GregorR, is that the script-fu thing mentioned in gimp menus? I have no clue
19:38:25 <GregorR> pikhq: Your terminal likes it though.
19:38:29 <GregorR> pikhq: It's a dirty, dirty terminal.
19:38:42 <pikhq> GregorR: And it's not redrawing right.
19:38:42 <AnMaster> GregorR, So is your mom!
19:42:39 <AnMaster> GregorR, aren't you supposed to reply something to that
19:43:19 <GregorR> *eh*
19:43:24 <AnMaster> heh
19:46:36 <AnMaster> GregorR, add ipv6 for http://choosemyhat.com/ :)
19:46:49 <ehird> prgmr don't do ipv6 on their new data center.
19:46:57 <ehird> (GregorR may or may not be on it.)
19:47:51 <GregorR>           inet6 addr: fe80::a800:ff:fe59:ad41/64 Scope:Link
19:47:51 <AnMaster> that works around the LAN issue mostly, since NAT for IPv6 is probably less common than for IPv4
19:48:02 <AnMaster> GregorR, *scope link*
19:48:03 <AnMaster> duh
19:48:12 <ehird> Of course.
19:48:13 <ehird> Scope link.
19:48:15 <ehird> It's so obvious now.
19:48:42 <pikhq> GregorR: IPv6 has link-specific addresses. Only valid on a single link.
19:48:50 <pikhq> Not. Routable.
19:48:52 <AnMaster> GregorR needs to be Scope:Global... Scope:Link is for "on same physical network", as in, no routers...
19:48:53 <AnMaster> iirc
19:49:11 <ehird> GregorR: talk to the prgmr guy
19:49:17 <ehird> you have to get a static ip for ipv6 i think
19:49:24 <ehird> and it requires talking to him, iirc
19:50:14 <AnMaster> GregorR, "I'm not going to wear any particularly hot hats (such as my red velour fedora) during the heat of summer. That's just unpleasant." <-- is it summer where you are atm?
19:50:26 * GregorR reappears.
19:50:31 <GregorR> I was just informing you that I don't have IPv6
19:50:37 <ehird> AnMaster - not understanding hemispheres since N.
19:50:38 <GregorR> I don't care enough to go on about it :P
19:50:46 <GregorR> AnMaster: Yes, I am in the northern hemisphere X-D
19:50:55 <AnMaster> GregorR, I wasn't sure about that
19:51:12 <ehird> He just had to check that Purdue or wherever hadn't moved to, say, Greenland overnight.
19:51:18 <AnMaster> GregorR, any other of the hats that are too hot currently?
19:51:27 <AnMaster> so I can select the really cool ones
19:51:47 <AnMaster> ;P
19:56:09 <GregorR> ehird: Greenland is also in the northern hemisphere :P
19:56:17 <GregorR> Eh, I probably wouldn't want to wear the beret.
19:56:19 <ehird> Hmm.
19:56:23 <ehird> That really was a bad example, wasn't it.
19:56:27 <ehird> :-D
20:06:39 <ehird> SMOEK//////////////////////////////////////
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20:08:20 <ehird> hi AnMaster
20:08:21 <ehird> ...
20:08:23 <ehird> ais523
20:10:00 <ais523> hi
20:10:06 <ais523> <AnMaster> /
20:10:08 <ais523> *?
20:10:14 <AnMaster> ais523, hi
20:10:19 * ais523 once again proves that they can't type question marks at the end of lines
20:10:34 <AnMaster> ais523, for me it is + or = that ? gets turned into
20:10:38 <AnMaster> different keyboard layouts
20:10:45 <ais523> AnMaster: ? is shift-/ here
20:10:50 <ais523> I keep pressing the shift slightly after I press the /
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20:11:45 <AnMaster> ais523, ? is shift++, = is shift-0
20:12:11 <AnMaster> and 9 0 + ' backspace where that ' is the dead key used in é
20:15:29 <ehird> ais523: AnMaster won't say "?"; he's in "ignore ehird and try and make that relevant all the time" mode.
20:15:42 <ais523> ehird: aha
20:16:48 <ehird> ais523: Be careful not to quote any part of what I say in a message; he'll go "PLZ DON'T RELAY HIM TO ME I'M BUSY IGNORING HIM".
20:17:25 <ais523> ehird: if he was that committed, he could just block any comment with the word "ehird" in
20:17:34 <ehird> I wouldn't be surprised.
20:17:58 <ehird> ais523: or he's just using an ignore-replies mode
20:18:03 <ehird> so "^ehird:" will ignore
20:18:15 <ehird> I wonder if there are any real words with "ehird" in them
20:19:13 <ais523> $ grep ehird /usr/share/dict/words | wc -l
20:19:14 <ais523> 0
20:19:20 <ehird> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
20:19:31 <ehird> ais523: if it's not the OED it doesn't count\
20:19:34 <ehird> s/\\$//
20:31:00 <AnMaster> <ais523> <AnMaster> / <-- btw, where did I say that?
20:31:07 <AnMaster> or rather
20:31:07 <ehird> ahaha
20:31:14 <AnMaster> why the <> around it
20:31:24 <ais523> AnMaster: it's a reference to an old joke of oerjan's
20:31:37 <ehird> actually, i invented preëmpting AnMaster's ?s/whats I think
20:31:38 <AnMaster> okay...
20:31:40 <ehird> or at least me and oerjan invented it independently
20:31:52 <ehird> of course you might just be bullshitting to satisfy him without mentioning me...
20:37:01 <fizzie> ehird: Google's one-trillion-tokens-from-the web corpus -- http://www.ldc.upenn.edu/Catalog/CatalogEntry.jsp?catalogId=LDC2006T13 -- has in their 13.5-million-or-so word vocabulary a single ehird-containing word: "Holehird", with 947 uses. [Acknowledgements: ineiros's sql database version of said corpus.]
20:37:32 <fizzie> "Holehird Gardens - The Home of The Lakeland Horticultural Society"
20:37:50 <ehird> fizzie: if AnMaster doesn't reply to that "Holehird Gardens" line, we'll know he's ignoring everything with ehird in it!
20:37:55 <ehird> (not actually, but.)
20:39:33 <GregorR> I think we know full well that 'e's not.
20:39:54 <ehird> GregorR: is that meant to be a joke? i do not understand this line.
20:40:11 <GregorR> I used two apostrophes in a single word, making it weird and confusing :P
20:40:17 <GregorR> The first apostrophe was the removed 'h'
20:40:25 <GregorR> The second was the removed ' i'
20:40:34 <ehird> so did you say that for a reason or just to do that :P
20:41:00 <GregorR> No, I've been writing how I talk recently, so whenever I would drop the 'h' when I talk, I drop it in text.
20:41:11 <GregorR> As it turns out, that's a place where I would drop the 'h'.
20:41:22 <ais523> I know that Lewis Carrol used to spell "shan't" as "sha'n't"
20:41:35 <ais523> to mark all the locations where letters were ommitted
20:41:38 <ais523> *omitted
20:41:51 <ehird> ais523: I daresay that looking towards Lewis Carrol for serious linguistic advice is akin to... something stupid.
20:41:59 <GregorR> ' ''''' '''' '''' '''' '''' ''''.
20:42:12 <ehird> GregorR: 〃
20:42:19 <GregorR> Oh nose :P
20:42:31 <ehird> that's a ditto mark.
20:43:22 <pikhq> ehird: Bu...but jabberwocky!
20:43:35 <ehird> pikhq: I said *serious* linguistic advice. :P
20:43:57 <ais523> ehird: Lewis Carrol actually did quite a lot of interesting seriously-applicable stuff
20:44:06 <ais523> AFAIR, he was the first person to realise that an international dateline was needed
20:44:26 <ehird> Carroll, as it turns out, has two Ls.
20:44:41 <ehird> ais523: I like the Achilles thingy he did.
20:44:50 <ehird> http://www.ditext.com/carroll/tortoise.html
20:45:36 -!- ehird has set topic: Proceed! And speak *slowly*, please! *Shorthand* isn't invented yet! http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D.
20:47:07 <AnMaster> <GregorR> Oh nose :P <-- what?
20:47:15 <ehird> AnMaster: His nose fell off.
20:47:26 <ehird> He meant to say, "No nose :P"
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21:21:51 <ehird> http://www.vandenbrande.com/wp/2009/06/breadbox64-a-twitter-client-for-the-c64/
21:21:57 <ehird> Built on Contiki!
21:22:07 <pikhq> Contiki = <3
21:23:11 <GregorR> Schweet
21:23:17 <ehird> Hey, pikhq stopped ignoring me.
21:23:27 <ehird> Maybe I should talk about sheep fornication or something.
21:23:51 <GregorR> I'm in!
21:24:09 <ehird> GregorR: But what exactly... are you... in? Perhaps a sheep's anus?
21:24:22 <ehird> YOU CANNOT DENY IT
21:24:24 <GregorR> PERHAPS
21:24:28 * GregorR is Welsh at heart.
21:24:43 <ehird> Defining Features of the Welsh, by Elliott Hird
21:24:48 <ehird> 1. Intercourse with sheep.
21:25:09 <GregorR> 2. cwm
21:25:29 <ehird> 3. Cwm cwm sheep, cwm cwm cwm sheep cwm anus cwm cwm cwm ejaculation cwm.
21:25:56 <ehird> So, uh, I don't think there's many topics you can go to from "having sex wit hsheep".
21:25:59 <ehird> with sheep, rather.
21:26:06 * ehird hard-resets the channel.
21:26:12 <GregorR> Other than New Zealand.
21:26:30 <ehird> Wow, this must be like when RAM remembers its contents post-reboot.
21:26:36 <ehird> So, uh, New Zealand.
21:26:46 <ehird> GregorR: but you can't go anywhere from New Zealand but to sheep intercourse...
21:27:06 <GregorR> Of course not?
21:27:16 <ehird> So... that's not... really... helpful.
21:27:25 <GregorR> It's the Wales of the southern hemisphere.
21:27:42 <GregorR> Oh, I see, you DON'T want to talk about bestiality.
21:27:43 <GregorR> FINE.
21:27:51 <GregorR> :P
21:28:14 <pikhq> ehird: Also cym.
21:28:18 <ais523> hey, who removed the Konami Code from the topic?
21:28:25 <ehird> ais523: your mom.
21:28:36 <ais523> I doubt it, she's only ever used IRC once and I was there
21:29:54 <ehird> She set up a timed action.
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21:57:48 <FireFly> She set us up the bomb.
21:58:04 <GregorR> UP US
21:58:19 <Slereah> UP WHERE?
21:58:49 <FireFly> up us*
21:59:07 * FireFly 's broken English is broken
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22:01:57 * oerjan dreams of a computer you could actually trust to register your mouse clicks deterministically, _even_ if it happens to be on the verge of thrashing.
22:03:18 * GregorR dreams of people having less stupid dreams.
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22:03:51 * oerjan dreams of swatting GregorR -----###
22:04:06 * GregorR dreams of that too *wink wink nudge nudge*
22:04:39 * oerjan swats GregorR a couple of times -----### -----###
22:04:45 <GregorR> Oooooooooh
22:07:14 * oerjan wonders how many closet heterosexuals there are in this channel
22:07:25 <oerjan> because i sure as hell cannot recall any open ones :D
22:11:37 * GregorR looks for somebody to sheepishly raise their hand.
22:15:18 <Warrigal> Hey, programmers. Tell me this:
22:15:38 <Warrigal> You're writing a program, and you find you need to perform a certain mathematical operation.
22:15:58 <Warrigal> Do you use the implementation of the operation in the standard library, or write your own and use it without testing it first?
22:16:26 <ais523> depends on what the operation is
22:16:34 <ais523> if it's addition, I write my own and test it
22:16:37 <ais523> although, only in INTERCAL
22:17:28 <Warrigal> Are you just trying to avoid giving the obvious answer?
22:17:57 * oerjan assumes Warrigal was joking
22:18:23 <Warrigal> Maaybe it was a rhetorical question.
22:19:23 <oerjan> of course it might happen that a programmer doesn't realize a function is in the standard library, if it's not obvious
22:19:46 <oerjan> that the functions are identical
22:20:16 <oerjan> and they're bad at math :D
22:20:34 <Warrigal> So if I said to you, "I bet you $100 that the number 7 is not prime", would you accept the bet, or instead say, "Let's change that a bit. I bet you $100 that there is no pair of positive integers, apart from 1 and 7, whose product is 7."
22:21:08 <Warrigal> I think a wise person would bet using the mathematical terms themselves, not their definitions.
22:21:19 <Warrigal> Some guy was unwise and chose to bet using the definition instead.
22:21:41 <Warrigal> Though this isn't strictly pertinent, he just said "integers" instead of "positive integers".
22:22:04 <oerjan> um yes that is pertinent
22:22:34 <GregorR> Every integer divides by both 1 and -1, so if "integers" is all that's specified, the only prime numbers are -1 and 1 :P
22:23:31 <oerjan> given that getting the definition wrong is the main reason he bungled.  of course it is still unwise to use the definition since you _do_ have a higher chance of getting that wrong, if it is at all complicated.
22:24:38 <Warrigal> Bingo.
22:25:39 <oerjan> Warrigal: what i was referring to with my first comment was if someone has a definition and don't _realize_ it corresponds to a function in the standard library.  they would then of course write their own version.
22:26:46 <oerjan> some recent discussions with extend euclidean algorithms come to mind.  although that is unfortunately not in standard libraries, either...
22:26:51 <oerjan> *extended
22:27:32 <GregorR> I started using a proportional font so all these combining characters would render right…...
22:27:37 <oerjan> *not necessarily
22:27:43 <GregorR> In this font, … is wider than "..." :P
22:28:33 <Warrigal> I imagine it's supposed to be wider and the monospace font booched it.
22:28:39 <pikhq> In this font, … is as wide as all other (single-width) characters.
22:31:58 <pikhq> Arrows in Haskell.
22:32:04 <pikhq> Whoa, that's deep.
22:32:44 <oerjan> <pikhq> GregorR: Unicode has a combining / . <-- i was all, it has a slashdot character??, there for a moment
22:34:28 <oerjan> > ((+1) *** (+2)) (10,20)
22:34:30 <lambdabot>   (11,22)
22:34:34 <oerjan> :t (***)
22:34:36 <lambdabot> forall (a :: * -> * -> *) b c b' c'. (Arrow a) => a b c -> a b' c' -> a (b, b') (c, c')
22:35:54 <oerjan> Arrows are a generalization of (->), and the -> instance is still useful...
22:36:18 <pikhq> oerjan: Yes, I get that. And that's pretty deep.
22:36:23 <pikhq> Like, whoa, man.
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22:39:22 <oerjan> <pikhq> (what, exactly, a tellular celephone is is left as an exercise for the reader)
22:39:30 <oerjan> a celephone from tellus, obviously
22:39:50 <pikhq> May take some getting used to the arrow operators, but hey, there's nicer notation than that to use. :)
22:40:12 <FireFly> A cellphone from Tellus
22:40:24 <oerjan> no, definitely _not_ a cellphone
22:40:33 * oerjan swats FireFly -----###
22:40:55 <FireFly> :<
22:41:59 <pikhq> Man. A generalisation of monads, in a way. Heheh.
22:42:47 <oerjan> :t (>=>)
22:42:49 <lambdabot> forall a (m :: * -> *) b c. (Monad m) => (a -> m b) -> (b -> m c) -> a -> m c
22:43:21 <pikhq> :)
22:43:23 <oerjan> they had to borrow that operation back from Arrows, because typeclasses have stupid inheritance
23:19:20 <AnMaster> oerjan, hi
23:19:40 <oerjan> the ho
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23:42:38 <ehird> 22:01 oerjan dreams of a computer you could actually trust to register your mouse clicks deterministically, _even_ if it happens to be on the verge of thrashing.
23:42:44 <ehird> you could do an OS that does that
23:42:45 <ehird> easily
23:43:31 <ehird> 22:07 oerjan wonders how many closet heterosexuals there are in this channel
23:43:31 <ehird> you're forgetting the bisexuals!
23:44:25 <ehird> 22:27 GregorR: I started using a proportional font so all these combining characters would render right…...
23:44:26 <ehird> welcome!
23:46:16 <GregorR> It sucks.
23:48:45 <ehird> you'll love it soon enough
23:48:49 <ehird> btw use a good sans serif font
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23:49:53 <ehird> hi Halph aka coppro
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