00:07:35 Mmmm, root beer + coca-cola. 00:07:36 Good stuff. 00:10:49 -!- GregorR has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:12:25 -!- GregorR has joined. 00:13:02 Sorry about all the logoffs/logons, I'm testing more minimalistic WMs 00:13:17 Which ones? 00:13:25 Well, right now I'm trying fluxbox. 00:13:35 Does too much. 00:13:42 Going from KDE4 :P 00:15:58 GregorR: Try IceWM. 00:16:05 Bleh to the max @ IceWM 00:16:08 Was just using it :P 00:16:23 It does the minimum necessary for the actual window management stuff. 00:16:24 GregorR: alcoholic root beer or not? 00:16:39 You have alcoholic root beer in the UK? :P 00:25:40 Root beer, popularized in North America, comes in two forms: alcoholic and soft drink. 00:25:40 —WP 00:26:12 I was just wondering, because there's a good chance that a mix of a soft drink and any other drink is alcoholic :P 00:29:49 -!- ehird has set topic: HOLY SHIT: MAN WALKS ON FUCKING MOON — The Onion, Monday, July 21, 1969 | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D. 00:33:07 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:35:07 i think fucking moons can be dangerous, and would generally keep away from them. 00:36:03 ... Alcoholic root beer? 00:36:20 I suppose next you'll tell me that they make alcoholic ginger ale. 00:36:22 (;) 00:39:32 Does root beer actually taste any good? 00:39:57 If you get root beer that is actually brewed, it is the most delicious soft drink. 00:40:19 If you get the cheap crap that most people are familiar with, it is still rather tasty. Just nowhere near as much. 00:41:25 Indeed. 00:41:29 It's all yumtastic. 00:41:38 I might have to try it, then. 00:41:46 The same is true of ginger ale. 00:41:51 Yup 00:41:59 So what, you don't have root beer in the UK? :P 00:42:05 GregorR: so, do you know anything that tastes good to you but that nearly no one else likes? 00:42:06 Yes, we do. 00:42:07 Though what's actually brewed is so much better that it almost counts as a different soft drink. 00:42:09 I've just never tried it. 00:42:11 oerjan: Moxie? :P 00:42:13 oerjan: Moxie. 00:42:23 ah. 00:42:25 Liver 00:42:29 Though Moxie is not disliked by many people. 00:42:31 * oerjan hadn't got that. 00:42:37 It's unknown by many people.\ 00:42:47 Many people who know it hate it :P 00:42:49 wait, _i_ like liver. 00:43:14 oerjan: ...wat? 00:43:15 I like most everything, minus beverages and most dairy products. 00:43:24 I hate most everything. 00:43:28 Many people hate very spicy things. 00:43:34 I WURVE spice. 00:43:42 -!- zzo38 has joined. 00:43:45 But people don't hate it because they dislike the flavor, they hate it because it hurts, that's not really fair. 00:43:48 Hi zzo38. 00:43:50 Are you on the moon? 00:43:58 Go to the moon, Zuu. 00:43:59 Er. 00:44:01 zzo38. 00:44:12 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 00:44:17 GregorR: Many people hate any concentration of capsaicin. 00:44:35 I am not on the moon. 00:44:44 `addquote I am not on the moon. 00:44:48 44| I am not on the moon. 00:44:54 zzo38: Why not? 00:45:00 (That was just so matter-of-fact I couldn't help but laugh :P ) 00:45:05 Because I am on the Earth. 00:45:09 XD 00:45:17 zzo38: Why aren't you a martian? 00:45:21 Because I am a human. 00:45:42 pikhq: I want to try a Naga Jolokia sometime. 00:45:44 Because I hate myself. 00:45:51 "In 2009, Indian defense scientists claimed to have found a new place to use the chilies -- in hand grenades. The scientists aim to use the Chillies to control rioters to immobilize people without killing them.[12]" 00:45:57 HAND GRENADE-GRADE PEPPER. 00:46:06 I wonder what happens if you ingest PURE CAPSAICIN. 00:46:25 Anaphylatic shock. 00:46:35 -!- zzo38 has quit (Client Quit). 00:46:45 Bah. 00:47:51 GregorR: This broadcast sure has been exciting for several hours. 00:48:02 EXTREMELY 00:48:21 -!- zzo38 has joined. 00:48:53 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:49:17 fzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 00:50:31 > iterate(const 'z')'f' 00:50:32 -!- zzo38 has joined. 00:50:33 "fzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... 00:50:50 zzo38: are you on the moon yet? 00:51:14 I'm not on the moon, I am trying to test something with this program 00:51:26 zzo38: Why aren't you on the moon? 00:52:04 Why should I be on the moon? 00:52:19 zzo38: Because it's been 40 years since you were last there. 00:52:26 You'd think that you'd go and see how it's doing. 00:53:06 It takes a lot of rockets and stuff to go to the moon. 00:53:20 zzo38: Well, get some! 00:53:26 No 00:53:51 zzo38: The Moon won't be pleased. 00:53:56 It's a harsh mistress. 00:55:03 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:57:20 lol 00:57:33 * oerjan has this feeling zzo38 doesn't like jokes 00:57:49 He might if they were in Chinese *shrugs* 00:58:06 i had the impression he was american. 00:58:33 He is. 00:58:35 after first having had the impression he was chinese, and then getting told that was wrong. 00:58:40 He's just, uh 00:58:49 a flower. 00:58:56 Oh 00:58:57 Huh 00:58:58 Hm 00:59:05 Flowers. Hmmmmmm. 00:59:30 his real name is Bob, and he's starting to get angry at us 00:59:37 Nooooooooooooo 01:00:07 you might still survive if you are careful with your apostrophes 01:01:32 ehird: It's a Harsh Mistress. 01:01:41 pikhq: That was my reference. 01:01:47 Yes. 01:01:58 Despite having never read it. 01:02:06 Lame. 01:02:13 Hey, I want to. 01:02:14 Moar Heinlein. 01:02:17 I just, never get round to it. 01:02:23 Start now. 01:02:24 Also, Heinlein was a libertarian. 01:02:29 He therefore loses mental prioriy. 01:02:31 priority. 01:02:39 Yes, but he was also an awesome author. 01:02:45 Well, yes. :P 01:03:00 Ayn Rand was both a libertarian and a shitty author. 01:03:08 Ooh I have a joke now 01:03:22 Q: What do you call a dyslexic who believes in freedom for all? 01:03:27 A: Librarian 01:03:40 *rimshot!* 01:04:01 the joke police are here to inform you it is unlikely a dyslexic would confuse librarian and libertarian 01:04:14 Gracenotes: Duck my sick. 01:04:29 However, a dyslexic would confuse libertarian and nairatrebil. 01:04:40 Now if only there were nairatrebils. 01:04:49 nairatre-billed platypus 01:09:25 Republicans whargarbling about how the healthcare reform is an "irresponsible experiment". 01:09:26 are those related to gerbils? 01:09:45 ... Fine, you want something tried and tested? Let's do what every other developed nation does. 01:10:47 Man. Health-care reform being proposed and a single-payer system isn't even considered. 01:11:00 pikhq: IT'S COMMUNIST 01:11:07 ehird: ZOMG 01:11:15 ☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭ 01:12:13 YAY COMMUNISM 01:12:25 ^^^ (Too content free for people to realize this is a Charlie the Unicorn quote) 01:12:59 pikhq: I've never been able to inform my brain about the US healthcare system. 01:13:03 If I understand it right... 01:13:08 When you go into a medical institution... 01:13:13 It's owned by some corporation or another... 01:13:18 and you have to buy the services? 01:13:27 No, that's why we have insurance. 01:13:38 GregorR: That's exactly the same but you pay in bulk. 01:13:44 But yes, that's the principle of the thing. 01:13:53 It's always seemed so profoundly fucked up to charge money for being a healthy human being. 01:14:08 It's not as bad a system as people make it out to be, but it's pretty wtfbbq. 01:14:36 ehird: If it's an emergency, you get medical treatment and *then* you have to pay. 01:14:51 Also, any job worth its salt includes medical insurance. 01:14:56 pikhq: And if you don't pay, you get the death penalty. 01:14:56 (thereby going into debt, if you have no insurance) 01:15:00 Hell, I'm a student and I get medical insurance through the school. 01:15:01 (Please tell me this is true it would be hilarious) 01:15:06 GregorR: I don't. 01:15:12 Well I'm a graduate student. 01:15:15 ehird: No. 01:15:21 pikhq: :-( 01:15:51 I'm pretty sure we abolished the death sentence for dept a while ago :P 01:15:55 *debt 01:15:58 My 'b' fell over. 01:16:06 Because often-times the only way to get medical treatment is to get treatment and *default on your debt*, our ERs are flooded. 01:16:19 We don't have the death penalty in the UK. 01:16:27 Sorry, get treatment in the ER. 01:16:47 ehird: We have people who claim to be "Pro-life" trying to ban abortions. 01:16:51 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Death_Penalty_World_Map.svg ← the slate red means "actively uses the dealth penalty" 01:16:56 you guys are in great company! 01:17:10 Who are simultaneously for the death penalty and no public health care. 01:17:17 pikhq: And war. 01:17:22 And war. 01:17:29 The only valuable lives are the sacred, untouched babies... so sleek and firm... 01:17:46 WHOA I JUST STEERED THE CONVERSATION TO BABYPHILIA 01:17:47 YOU SURE DID EHIRD 01:17:48 WAY TO GO 01:17:49 That's not a stance of "pro-life", that's just "pro-birth". As soon as you're popped out, they cease to give a fuck. 01:18:03 ehird: When you're eating a dead baby, why don't you eat the colon? 01:18:14 GregorR: I don't know. Why don't you? 01:18:18 Nobody wants to eat their own semen! 01:18:30 * GregorR takes a bow. 01:18:39 That joke is Copyright (C) 2004 Gregor Richards 01:18:41 nothing to see here, move on. 01:19:38 Normally it's a good idea to eaaaaaaaaase the conversation into a dead baby joke that foul, but *eh* :P 01:19:39 Jokes aside, guys. 01:19:54 -!- zzo38 has joined. 01:20:04 Clearly, the pro-lifers really are just fans of "A Modest Proposal". 01:20:05 zzo38: EATING DEAD BABY'S COLONS 01:20:19 pikhq: Mayhaps. 01:20:26 *BABIES' 01:20:38 GregorR: It's the only consistent explanation. 01:20:42 * GregorR pokes ehird in the facehole. 01:20:56 Facehole... OR MANHOLE 01:20:56 Well, consistent with everything except the actual eating of babies. 01:20:56 You decide. 01:21:25 zzo38: I see you wanted some packets from me... FROM SPACE! 01:21:48 Oh come on people, get out of your damned lander module and start a'walkin'! 01:21:49 Deep, deep space. pikhq's deep space. 01:21:55 Inside, only blackness. 01:22:02 WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE 01:22:08 MizardX responds PING not quite right? 01:22:22 Actually, I was just testing a CRISC script in PHIRC to see if it could work. 01:23:11 pikhq's black hole. It sucks in all matter. 01:23:19 Guys, can we be more controversial. 01:23:57 * pikhq takes ehird to NAMBLA 01:24:21 NOBODY HAS EVER SEEN PIKHQ'S EVENT HORIZON 01:24:37 ehird: JOKES TOO STUPID. CEASE AND DESIST. 01:24:55 GregorR: More like 'de cyst, right? 01:24:57 * oerjan has this feeling zzo38 doesn't like jokes <-- Btw, I thought those jokes were kind of funny. 01:25:00 By which I mean the cyst. 01:25:07 AN OVARIAN CYST 01:25:15 What do you get when you combine a monkey and a bungee cord? 01:25:20 ehird. 01:25:23 A monkey with a bungee cord, pikhq. 01:25:23 MY ASS. MAHAH.HAH. 01:25:25 A monkey with a bungee cord. 01:25:36 I never said I didn't like this jokes (or anything else either) 01:25:37 It's been too long since I've seen Kung Pow, okay? 01:25:57 FLOTSAM, JETSAM AND THE AXIOMATIC SYSTEM 01:26:04 ...of butts. 01:26:15 CRISC is the scripting language built-in to PHIRC. You can combine CRISC codes with PHIRC codes. 01:26:27 s/with PHIRC codes/with PHP codes/ 01:26:39 Clearly, the pro-lifers really are just fans of "A Modest Proposal". <-- that title sounds familiar. Rings a bell yes. But no clue what bell.. 01:26:40 Not enough arrows. 01:26:47 zzo38: does PHPIRC combat the maximum 22-minute lag from here to Mars? 01:26:53 AnMaster: Swift? 01:26:55 (shortest 3 minutes; sometimes unreachable) 01:26:56 `google a modest proposal 01:26:57 Jonathan Swift's satirical essay from 1729, where he suggests that the Irish eat their own children. \ art-bin.com/art/omodest.html - [16]Cached - [17]Similar 01:27:00 I'm thinking like 01:27:04 delaying everything from earth by those minutes 01:27:07 so that the chat is synced up 01:27:08 zzo38? 01:27:08 pikhq, also rings a bell... 01:27:14 pikhq, Irland? 01:27:18 ... 01:27:20 Irrrrrrrrrland. 01:27:22 Er, land. 01:27:23 Ireland* 01:27:25 It's a piece of land. 01:27:26 Er. 01:27:27 READ A FUCKING BOOK PEOPLE. 01:27:34 (spelled it in Swedish by mistake) 01:27:36 * GregorR reads a Kama Sutra book 01:27:37 pikhq: Books? Having SEXUAL INTERCOURSE?! 01:27:38 zzo38: Needs more of this: 01:27:39 WHATEVER NEXT 01:27:40 PHIRC knows nothing about Mars. It won't work with Mars unless someone connects internet to Mars, and even then it will be just as slow as any other internet connection to Mars. 01:27:42 GregorR: *HI5* 01:27:45 @type <=< 01:27:47 parse error on input `<=<' 01:27:52 zzo38: Yesb ut if you delay the Earth messages by 22 minutes or so 01:27:54 @type (<=<) 01:27:56 forall b (m :: * -> *) c a. (Monad m) => (b -> m c) -> (a -> m b) -> a -> m c 01:27:58 then earth/mars chat can happen chronologically 01:28:01 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 01:28:02 IN SPACE 01:28:04 SPAYCE 01:28:15 Spades. 01:28:20 night 01:28:44 Mogul. 01:28:45 You can add new protocols to PHIRC by writing them as a PHP class. I would like to see any that people might add. 01:28:50 Mmm, gluing functions of monads together. 01:29:03 zzo38: Pap dap dop duk til bot ding? 01:29:14 ehird: What's that? 01:29:14 DECIMAL 59 DECIMAL 59 01:29:18 It's decimal 59 01:29:21 Papa decimal two? 01:29:26 Which is octal 12479892. 01:29:33 Dobleve te efe is "papa decimal two"? 01:29:48 GregorR: Fvstruk dang dop dong pop top top top bing bong bang? 01:32:08 There's the example script I used to ping everyone on the channel: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/prog/PHIRC/example1.crisc 01:32:40 Jesus man. 01:32:54 TECO is not considered a good idea. 01:33:39 TECO? 01:33:54 The canonical write-only language. 01:34:23 I know what TECO is. But what are you talking about TECO and Jesus? 01:34:39 CRISC is like TECO. 01:34:44 And that's not a good thing. 01:35:17 You can also use PHP to extend PHIRC as well. 01:35:27 01:34 zzo38: I know what TECO is. But what are you talking about TECO and Jesus? 01:35:29 Jesus? 01:35:32 And you can combine PHP codes with CRISC codes to extend PHIRC also. 01:35:34 When did he say Je— oh. 01:35:36 Hahahaha 01:37:22 Well, here's a much simpler CRISC code for initializing some settings: http://pastebin.ca/1501559 01:38:34 As you can see, this one is a much simpler code. 01:39:20 * pikhq returns a vomit thunk 01:39:40 * GregorR vomits his frame pointer. 01:39:45 /SET sets a configuration setting, /MAC 1 makes a macro for the F1 key, /CLS clears screen, /V displays version of PHIRC, /SIZE makes it retrieve the size of the terminal window so that it can backspace across lines properly. 01:40:00 pikhq: a vomit thunk? 01:40:02 that's not pure. 01:40:07 maybe a thunk of type IO Vomit? 01:40:17 ehird: It's a thunk that, when evaluated, results in vomit. 01:40:29 Yes, but vomit has side effects. 01:40:44 Fine, fine. It's in the IO monad. 01:41:07 Then it's not vomit; it's an action that, when executed by the RTS, results in vomit. 01:41:22 * pikhq willo-onhaven have vomited upon that being executed 01:41:35 "onhaven have"? is that correct? 01:41:42 Dubious. 01:42:12 I only read the first couple of pages of the book of temporal conjugations; the rest could be blank for all I know. :P 01:42:25 wait, there's actually a whole book for it? 01:42:28 I thought Adams just made it up 01:42:39 No, there's not. 01:42:40 googling suggests not 01:42:41 phew 01:42:42 :P 01:42:46 I'm just continuing the DNA reference. 01:42:48 it would be fun if there was 01:43:02 pikhq, what DNA reference? 01:43:08 He said that later editions were printed with most of the pages blank, since nobody read more than a few pages at the start. 01:43:10 DNA = Douglas Adams. 01:43:11 ;p 01:43:15 ehird, oh 01:43:22 Douglas Noel Adams. 01:43:28 Oh I see! 01:43:34 Also Bop Ad. 01:43:36 was that his full name? 01:43:42 Yes. 01:43:49 pikhq, ok 01:43:50 Yes; Bop Ad. :P 01:43:58 ehird, don't be daft 01:43:59 And he was born near where DNA was discovered in the same year. 01:44:07 Also Bop Ad. 01:44:12 pikhq: I wonder what "I will go back in time to kill my grandfather and then will go back to the present day where I will consider this killing" would be in the corerct form. 01:44:22 Wow, Adams was 6ft by age 12... 01:44:25 ehird: Hah. 01:44:41 *correct 01:44:41 ehird: Ò-ó 01:44:58 pikhq: Yeah. His end-of-growth height was 6ft5in. 01:45:01 `convert 6ft to cm 01:45:02 No output. 01:45:05 meh 01:45:09 `google 6ft to cm 01:45:12 i'm 6ft and just wondering how many inches / cms i am. ... 6 ft = 12 inches/ft X 6 = 72 inches 6 ft = 2.54 cm/inch X 72 inches = 182.88 cm ... 72inches = 6feet. ... \ answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid... - [16]Cached - [17]Similar 01:45:18 AnMaster: 1.82meters 01:45:31 ehird, ok that is quite tall for 12 years then 01:45:31 final growth height 1.95meters 01:45:36 AnMaster: "quite"?! 01:45:39 Are all Swedes gigantic? 01:45:42 ehird, nah. 01:45:43 Yes. 01:45:51 Don't lie, they are. 01:45:53 ehird, I'm 1.89 cm though. 01:45:54 6ft by age 12 is basically a violation of the laws of physics. 01:45:56 I'm 6 foot and considered slightly tall. 01:45:57 1.89cm X-D 01:46:02 :D 01:46:04 err 01:46:04 m 01:46:05 duh 01:46:06 All Swedes are tiiiiiiiiiiny. 01:46:11 They live in a tiiiiiiiiny country. 01:46:11 AnMaster: Tiny AnMaster! 01:46:15 ehird, damn, don't blow the cover! 01:46:18 You must be friends with Tiny Carl Jung! 01:46:22 AnMaster: THAT'S HOW YOU'RE FINLAND 01:46:24 ehird: You've never heard the expression "Gargantuan Swedes"? 01:46:27 You're a hill in Finland. 01:46:35 GregorR: Nope. 01:46:43 ehird, nah, the truth is even darker 01:46:58 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:47:08 The Swedish majority in my PL group makes me, at a paltry 5'10", seem itty-bitty :P 01:47:10 If a Swedish meter is a real centimeter, then Sweden is 1737 square miles. 01:47:12 * pikhq wants some write-only memory 01:47:17 ehird, rather, we Swedes outnumber the rest of the world's population instead. Just we have about 9 millions controllable robots that looks like real humans 01:47:23 to make up the fake population 01:47:31 pikhq: http://www.supersimplestorageservice.com/ 01:47:36 GregorR: That is itty bitty. 01:47:42 :( 01:47:42 pikhq: Stored on the highest-grade write-only non-volatile memory. 01:47:47 At competitive prices, too! 01:47:56 The ONLY provably secure storage service. 01:48:15 `calc 5 foot 10 inches in meters 01:48:17 5 foot 10 inches = 1.77800 meters 01:48:27 ehird, that's a joke right? 01:48:34 AnMaster: No. 01:48:59 ehird, how do you reach your data later then? 01:49:06 AnMaster: You don't. It's write-only. 01:49:22 ehird, what's the point then 01:49:37 To provide write-only storage. 01:49:46 ehird, and who would use that 01:49:51 as I said, must be a joke 01:49:58 It's not. 01:50:07 ehird, who would use it... 01:50:17 People who want write-only storage. 01:50:34 ehird, examples of such applications? 01:50:37 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 01:50:37 (Buy Now!) -- $10,000, the entire S4 website and company 01:50:46 anyway 01:50:48 it's a joke 01:50:49 AnMaster: They said the same to plenty of things. 01:50:50 clearly 01:50:52 "Who would want to use that?" 01:50:59 "I can't think of any applications." 01:51:02 Such Luddite thinking. 01:51:03 "S4 Amazon's S3 3.5" floppies Abacuses" 01:51:13 in the comparison table 01:51:14 So they have a funny website. 01:51:14 joke 01:51:14 So what? 01:51:22 Plenty of Web 2.0 stuff has stuff like that. 01:51:51 I have every reason to believe that they do, in fact, offer write-only storage of data. 01:52:27 "Consuming S4 is a snap with advanced integration options. Upload directly from our website, send an email, tweet your content, or simply yell in an empty room." 01:52:31 suure 01:52:34 AnMaster: It's called humour. 01:52:36 The thing you lack. 01:52:41 pikhq, oh? 01:52:41 Because not everyone is 100% serious all of the time. 01:52:42 Sheesh. 01:54:08 I suspect they use the Signetics 25120 for storage. 01:54:24 http://www.national.com/rap/files/datasheet.pdf 01:59:31 night 02:07:16 -!- sebbu has quit (Connection timed out). 02:25:19 yay talking 02:25:24 17th rev 02:26:03 Running 30 minutes slow? LOSERS 02:26:07 :D 02:26:08 :P 02:26:11 LOOOOOOOSERS 02:26:15 MOON LANDING IS FOR FAGS 02:26:23 Night, AnMaster 02:26:27 Well, that settles it. 02:26:30 * GregorR sets off for the moon. 02:26:34 pikhq: Congratulations, you're 26 minutes late. 02:26:41 GregorR: You'd get along great with oerjan. 02:26:46 pikhq: 27 actually. 02:26:54 ehird: AnMaster, clearly, is on Mars. 02:26:57 ehird: BETTER THAN ALDRIN LAWL 02:27:08 pikhq: :D 02:27:33 GregorR: I've maintained since today that Armstrong/Aldrin slashfic needs to be written, for the increasement of the sum total of sheer inanity in the universe. 02:27:44 `google armstrong aldrin slash fiction 02:27:45 Jul 18, 2009 ... Apollo 11 Moon landing: ten facts about Armstrong Aldrin and Collins' mission ... Lt Col Michael Collins Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin which allowed man ... /Film (Slash Film) Agence France Presse Al Jazeera ... \ www.newscred.com/...11...armstrong-aldrin.../1784982 - [18]Cached - [19]Similar 02:28:00 `google armstrong aldrin gay slash fic 02:28:01 Oct 28, 2007 ... They look like a modern gay couple; put them in leathers and, with a piercing or two, they could be in Dykes ... Some of the slashes go right through the paper. ... Adult fiction debut with all the sexual tension of Twilight. video: lunar gadgets. Edwin 'Buzz' Aldrin photographed by Neil Armstrong ... 02:28:28 I think it might actually not be out there D-8 02:30:20 PFFT 02:30:23 nifty.org, you've failed me. 02:30:29 Nope, it's not out there :P 02:32:04 :D 02:32:38 GregorR: I like how as soon as someone says "Armstrong/Aldrin slashfic", you think "Ah yes! Good old nifty.org!" 02:32:50 >_> <_< 02:35:27 40 minutes behind now! 02:36:40 Behind what? BUZZ ALDRIN'S BUTT? 02:37:38 Who's that moon landing conspiracy theorist that Aldrin punched in the face? 02:37:45 They need Aldrin/that-guy slash fiction. 02:38:06 :D 02:40:01 GregorR: I assume BDSM. 02:40:07 Naturalismo. 02:41:30 "DID WE LAND ON THE MOON?", Aldrin bellowed. ".. yes, yes!", he sobbed tears of both pain and ecstasy. 02:42:53 Your argument is compelling, but needs more flamethrowers. 02:43:43 Sexy flamethrowers. 02:44:25 oh baby 02:44:52 * GregorR really doesn't want to know about your flamethrower slash fic :P 02:49:44 -!- oerjan has joined. 02:49:59 ta ta, ta 02:50:04 Heh, are they relaying the lander module, via Earth, to the command module? Yay for totally needless lag :P 02:50:13 GregorR: eh? 02:50:15 oh 02:50:16 ha 02:50:19 hahaha 02:50:48 oerjan: You missed all the slashfic. 02:50:54 whew 02:51:06 well, i'll be reading the logs. maybe. 02:51:12 oerjan: you are gay though. 02:52:52 That was just so utterly contextless I have no response :P 02:53:13 02:26 ehird: MOON LANDING IS FOR FAGS 02:26 GregorR sets off for the moon. 02:26 ehird: GregorR: You'd get along great with oerjan. 02:54:19 "We copy your antenna scratching the roof, roger." 02:54:39 is that a real quote? :D 02:54:39 Wooh, cabin depressurization. 02:54:43 ehird: They just said it! 02:54:47 :D 02:54:52 I can't hear what they say, remember 02:58:08 http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11transcript_tec.html 02:58:17 Connect OPS O2 hose to right hand PGA blue connector and lock <-- just said 02:58:42 When did he say Je- oh. <-- I suggest being nice to people. _Even_ if they say Jehovah. 02:58:51 wat 02:59:02 angkor 02:59:53 what we have here is a fatal python error. 03:00:16 ? 03:00:30 of the monty implementation. 03:01:32 "Sure wish I'd shaved list night" X-D 03:11:09 > flip take" ta,".fromEnum=<<(randomRs(3,4).mkStdGen)42 03:11:11 " ta, ta, ta, ta ta ta, ta ta, ta ta, ta, ta, ta ta ta ta, ta, ta, ta, ta t... 03:11:34 oh wait 03:11:53 Crap seed. 03:12:31 GregorR: *last 03:12:32 was botherating me 03:12:48 Heh, whoops :P 03:12:49 > flip take" ta,"=<<(randomRs(3,4).mkStdGen)42 03:12:49 Tpyo 03:12:50 " ta, ta, ta, ta ta ta, ta ta, ta ta, ta, ta, ta ta ta ta, ta, ta, ta, ta t... 03:13:26 > (`take`" ta,")=<<(randomRs(3,4).mkStdGen)42 03:13:28 " ta, ta, ta, ta ta ta, ta ta, ta ta, ta, ta, ta ta ta ta, ta, ta, ta, ta t... 03:16:02 > tail$(`take`" ta,")=<<(randomRs(3,4).mkStdGen)42 03:16:04 "ta, ta, ta, ta ta ta, ta ta, ta ta, ta, ta, ta ta ta ta, ta, ta, ta, ta ta... 03:19:19 -!- bsmntbombdood_ has changed nick to bsmntbombdood. 03:21:14 -!- MizardX has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 03:21:31 -!- MizardX has joined. 03:24:21 -!- calamari has joined. 03:27:25 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 03:29:20 WHOOT, ALMOST THERE 03:33:12 From the transcript: 04 12 46 14 LMP (TRANQ) 03:33:13 That's what it is. Yes. *** Why don't you bend down and let me stow that. See if we ***. 03:33:22 The slashfic practically writes itself. 03:34:11 GregorR: What 03:37:54 GO RENA-CHAN! 03:38:05 KILL THOSE PEOPLE! 03:40:01 The hatch is coming open! 03:41:31 HERE WE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 03:42:17 You'd think :P 03:42:22 GregorR: When the door opens, you can see Buzz's dick momentarily poke out the door, hungry for more Armstrong action. 03:42:40 However, his reflexes quickly recoil, as cryogenic freezing is not preferable to the stoppage of sexual activities. 03:42:47 I refuse to respond to that :P 03:42:48 You can analyze the footage. It's true. 03:46:09 Ten minutes to go. 03:47:19 "I have to lean this way." 03:47:23 "Can't go any further." 03:47:24 ...? 03:48:01 GregorR: I TOLD YOU 03:49:52 "Okay. Your back is up against the purse. All right. Now it's on top of the DSKY. Forward and up; now you are clear. Little bit toward me. Straight down, to your left a little bit. Plenty of room. Neil, you're lined up nicely. Toward me a little bit, down. Okay. Now you're clear. You're catching the first hinge on the bottom." 03:50:22 GregorR: The evidence is there. You're just denying it. 03:50:24 ANALYZE THE FOOTAGE. 03:50:29 lol 03:50:29 And the dickage. 03:53:32 "Okay. Everything's nice and straight in here." 03:53:32 SEE 03:53:49 GregorR: Exactly. In 3 minutes, 03:53:55 we will witness the phantom moon dickage. 03:54:01 ARMSTRONG WAS THE FIRST MAN ON THE MOON 03:54:05 BUT NOT THE FIRST BODY PART 03:56:36 Yes, hang out on the foot of the ladder. 03:56:38 Yee haw. 03:57:15 Here goes. 03:57:22 Woooh 03:57:22 Done. 03:57:50 over capacity 03:57:53 refresh 03:58:05 Quay? 03:58:40 GregorR: the audio cut out 03:58:51 Oh, same here. 03:58:56 Refresh until you get in. 03:58:56 I assumed they just cut it off there :P 03:59:50 I hate how long this site's intro is. 04:00:37 GregorR: you can press "Start >" 04:00:46 saves a few seconds 04:01:31 (NA) THAT'S ONE SMALL STEP FOR MAN, ONE GIANT LEAP FOR MANKIND. 04:01:32 —twitter 04:01:41 Right now I just can't get through at all. 04:02:13 eh, I give up 04:02:31 I think they just cut it off there :P 04:02:34 For obvious reasons. 04:02:53 GregorR: no 04:02:55 the tweets keep coming 04:02:59 and it says over capacity 04:03:02 i saw that error for a second 04:03:04 beforehand 04:03:05 happened before 04:03:07 refreshing worked 04:03:12 it's just exploded in popularity round about now 04:03:20 GregorR: but the narration is still being twat 04:03:21 so 04:04:19 "twat" X-D 04:04:50 Tweet twat twot 04:05:32 The word twat has various functions, its primary meaning being a vulgar synonym for the human vulva, vagina, or clitoris.[1] It is also widely used as a derogatory epithet, especially in British English. The word is usually considered vulgar in all contexts. 04:05:49 Twat is clearly the correct word. 04:06:46 Well, the two forms of the word are pronounced differently. 04:06:58 Rhymes with lot versus rhymes with fat. 04:07:58 Usage example: I twat of her twat. 04:07:59 :P 04:08:18 (Twitter might have a problem with such twittering though :P ) 04:08:21 No, it's tweet/twAAt 04:08:26 Not twaught. 04:08:30 Not tweurght. 04:08:33 Not twot. 04:08:34 Twat. 04:08:50 Yeah, exactly. 04:08:52 It rhymes with fat. 04:08:56 Yes. 04:09:04 As opposed to the other form, which rhymes with lot. 04:09:06 Yes. 04:09:19 Hence, I twAAt of her twAUGHt. 04:09:44 http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20090708_Worker_falls_into_chocolate_vat__dies.html 04:11:14 ah, sweet, sweet death 04:11:44 :D 04:12:05 That's the best death after falling in a vat of naked women 04:13:06 Imagine the funeral service 04:13:12 He'll be his own buffet 05:30:15 Ah yes, suffocating in boiling chocolate. 05:30:18 SOUNDS FUN 05:30:20 If you're an idiot. 05:30:35 (Oh, I guess it's only 120 degrees, not boiling, but still scalding hot) 05:31:08 `calc 120 fahrenheit in celcius 05:31:09 Temperature question: What is 120 degrees Fahrenheit in Celsius? 120 F = 48.89 C 120 degrees F is equal to 48.89 degrees C Check this cheat sheet out: C to ... 05:31:31 49°C? 05:31:37 I've had baths at that temperature 05:44:54 GregorR: ... 120°F, scalding? 05:45:02 I dunno about you, but I shower in that. 05:47:55 Hell, there's places that people live that can get hotter than that. 05:48:11 (though it's debatable whether people in Arizona are really living) 05:52:58 Desert brains.. 05:57:18 Well, living at 49°C isn't the same thing as dipping in it, pikhq 05:57:30 It's not the same conductivity, and you can't sweat in hot chocolate 05:58:05 Still hell. 05:58:07 >_> 06:02:23 -!- oerjan has quit ("CU"). 06:05:53 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 06:15:10 -!- pikhq has joined. 06:17:36 -!- immibis has joined. 06:22:04 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 06:22:33 -!- inurinternet has joined. 07:06:15 http://www.qubit.org/people/david/David1.jpg 07:06:17 WHO IS THIS MAN 07:06:19 DAVID DEUTSCH 07:06:20 OR EHIRD 07:06:29 HOW CAN WE BE SURE 07:07:17 -!- calamari has quit ("Leaving"). 07:47:17 -!- FireFly has joined. 07:52:47 -!- Judofyr has quit ("raise Hand, 'wave'"). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 09:30:06 -!- darthnuri has joined. 09:46:52 -!- inurinternet has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 09:52:03 -!- immibis has quit ("We be chillin - IceChat style"). 10:05:48 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 10:06:29 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 10:09:31 -!- pikhq has joined. 10:12:34 -!- augur has joined. 10:12:58 regarding the topic: yeah thats pretty accurate actually 10:16:29 So, 40 years ago we set foot on the Moon, and still we haven't reached the next blob. 10:26:38 -!- nooga has joined. 10:30:15 "ESA hopes to land humans on Mars between 2030 and 2035." 10:36:09 -!- nooga_ has joined. 10:44:38 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 11:33:56 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 11:42:58 -!- pikhq has joined. 11:44:30 MizardX, why? 11:44:31 no? 11:44:47 " no?" <-- about what? 11:53:45 nothing 12:09:20 06:06 augur: OR EHIRD 12:09:30 fairly sure not me 12:09:49 09:30 MizardX: "ESA hopes to land humans on Mars between 2030 and 2035." 10:44 AnMaster: MizardX, why? 12:09:54 AnMaster: is that really what you were saying why to? 12:10:13 ehird, yes ;D 12:15:32 AnMaster: Fuck that attitude. Fuck anyone who's ever said that; they do nothing but ruin the human species. If you meant that as some sort of joke, which the retconning ";D" appears to be vaguely implying, it wasn't funny. I don't think you realise what jokes are. Jokes involves something that's said non-seriously in a way exaggerated so that you can detect it, and this non-seriousness must be used to point out something that makes us laugh. What you sai 12:15:35 d didn't do that. It was just "why go?", the eternal question of the idiots. http://miscellanea.wellingtongrey.net/2006/12/18/why-go/ 12:20:41 ehird, you can use fake seriousness used as a joke. 12:21:02 AnMaster: You really can't, not when there's no marking context, no conclusion, not even a hint of a followup. 12:21:03 it's rather common even. 12:21:06 I like to murder and fuck babies 12:21:10 ↑ Hey, that was a joke. 12:21:11 Ahahahaha. 12:21:15 It's hilarious. 12:21:24 ehird, possibly more context would have been needed. *shrug* 12:21:26 And, if I had made that less obviously wrong, it'd still be a joke! 12:21:39 Now for the new wave of humour: Just being stupid on purpose and then claiming it's a joke. 12:58:26 -!- Sgeo has joined. 12:59:48 -!- nooga has joined. 13:05:31 -!- nooga_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 13:13:39 -!- Tobs has joined. 13:13:44 -!- Tobs has quit (Client Quit). 13:24:36 http://www.myoldmac.net/webse-e-flash.htm ← ahhhh system 7 13:25:18 soothes the soul 13:28:50 omg it even has the screensaver 13:29:38 it's a bit faster than an old mac :D 13:30:00 omg it doesn't have Geneva as a font option 13:32:40 hmm the macintosh 512k was very ugly 13:32:52 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Mac512K_wb.jpg ← the top 13:41:35 It didn't have the Flying Toasters thing. :/ Not that I know what in reality should be included in "the star trek edition" there. 13:48:46 fizzie: wat? 13:49:48 After Dark's probably best-known screensaver, the one with flying toasters. 13:49:58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:After_Dark_Flying_Toasters.png 13:49:59 i'm just wondering what the star trek thing was about 13:50:03 Oh. 13:50:19 The screen saver control panel in that Flash of yours says "the star trek edition". 13:50:36 ah. 13:50:39 And apparently there has indeed been an After Dark star trek edition; at least there are some googly-hits. 13:51:52 the menu blinking option is disabled :( 13:51:52 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 13:51:56 -!- nooga has joined. 13:52:01 that saddens me. even current OS X blinks its menu items! 13:52:48 fizzie: hmm there's no precision bitmap aligning dogcow in that either 14:00:06 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:06:58 * Sgeo is going to make two Mutation videos 14:07:03 Eventually 14:09:57 i assume this is an Evolving project 14:12:33 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 14:15:57 Hm? 14:16:08 oh 14:16:09 >.> 14:21:38 so, we have ObjectiveC++ 14:21:41 *Objective-C++ 14:21:43 you know what we need? 14:21:46 Objective-C#. 14:21:49 Objective-C++#. 14:21:58 Objective-C++#Java. 14:22:00 A = A 14:22:13 Objective-C++#JavaAynRand. 14:22:21 Objective-F#++ 14:22:39 Objective-BASIC 14:22:55 10 PRINT [NSString stringWithString:@"HELLO WORLD"] 14:22:57 20 GOTO 10 14:29:34 -!- ais523 has joined. 14:31:02 Apparently, my college has Java as a 3xx level course 14:31:09 Since I took AP Java, I don't need to take it 14:31:13 Hi ais523 14:31:17 wtf? it seems Microsoft released some Linux device drivers as GPL 14:31:30 admittedly, you can't release a Linux driver as anything else if you want people to use it 14:32:13 ehird, there? Is "Intel® Core 2 Duo Processor T9550" or "Intel® Core 2 Duo Processor P7370" best? 14:32:26 AnMaster: Processor speed? FSB speed? Cache? 14:32:35 `google intel t9550 14:32:36 Click here to view processor specification detail information. \ processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLGE4 - [14]Cached - [15]Similar 14:32:43 `google intel p7370 14:32:44 Click here to view processor specification detail information. \ processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLG8X - [15]Cached - [16]Similar 14:32:48 ehird, well, FSB is higher for the one with lower cpu freq 14:32:57 so that is why I wondered 14:33:00 HackEgo: you should make those "click here"s into links 14:33:14 AnMaster: T9550 is better. 14:33:26 ehird, hm ok 14:33:46 ais523: I blame lynx 14:33:50 T is the newer series, uses a little more power, has twice the L2 cache and you get .66ghz free. 14:34:01 ais523: lynx refuses to put links inline 14:34:11 GregorR: W3M BITCH 14:34:13 ehird: I misread that as "has an L2 cache" and got confused 14:34:16 Can w3m dump? 14:34:19 GregorR: Yah 14:34:20 w3m -dump 14:34:23 Huh. 14:34:28 Preserves layout too 14:34:38 I severely do NOT want to preserve layout. 14:34:47 GregorR: Only tables and centers and stuff. 14:34:50 It'll do nothing to google results. 14:35:00 OK, good :P 14:35:25 tables would still look weird over IRC 14:36:12 /usr/local/bin/lisppaste: line 112: syntax error: unexpected end of file 14:36:13 Hmm. 14:36:56 Dance! Everybody dance! 14:37:04 ,o/ 14:37:06 Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! 14:37:07 \o/ 14:37:08 \o, 14:37:11 \o/!!!!!!! 14:37:17 Life is good! 14:37:19 \m/ \o/ \m/ 14:37:22 ADDITIONAL HANDS 14:37:27 This is fun! 14:37:32 wat 14:37:37 echo -n "$1" | perl -pe's/([^-_.~A-Za-z0-9])/sprintf("%%%02X", ord($1))/seg' 14:37:40 %%%. 14:37:43 ... my anus is bleeding! 14:37:44 You gotta see it to believe it. 14:37:45 wow, it's weird seeing someone saying \o/ without myndzi filling the rest in 14:37:53 %%%. 14:37:53 ... MY ANUS IS BLEEDING! 14:37:56 Why on earth is it %%%. 14:37:58 * GregorR wurves Rejected Cartoons :P 14:38:00 GregorR: I can quote Rejected too. 14:38:04 T is the newer series, uses a little more power, has twice the L2 cache and you get .66ghz free. <.. 2.0 GHz vs 2.53 GHz = .66 GHz extra? 14:38:05 My spoon is too big blah blah blah blah blah. 14:38:06 ehird: heredoc ending? 14:38:06 I'm actually watching it and typing :P 14:38:21 ehird, at least, those are the freqs that Lenovo lists 14:38:25 AnMaster: http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLGE4 → 2.66 14:38:33 AnMaster: Anyway, I thought I already listed the best config option to you ages ago. 14:38:48 ais523: I don't see a heredoc 14:38:50 echo -n "$1" | perl -pe's/([^-_.~A-Za-z0-9])/sprintf("%%%02X", ord($1))/seg' 14:38:53 ehird, yes, but as I said, not available in Sweden. I found some that were. 14:38:56 It's the urlencode () function 14:39:12 oh, I see 14:39:17 language=$(language_for_extension "${1##*.}") ;; 14:39:21 hmm 14:39:23 I assumed the %% in the line afterwards was part of your quote 14:39:28 * %%% 14:39:29 where is this damned syntax error 14:39:30 ehird, remailing turned out impossible, the person I knew in UK had moved to US. 14:39:32 ais523: ah 14:39:35 (% is an escape character in Konversation) 14:39:45 AnMaster: remail from the US :-D 14:39:58 also, that obviously prints percent signs followed by hex digits 14:40:03 ais523: heh, I used % as an escape for my linguistic fuckerizer 14:40:06 ehird, possibly, but I found a good alternative 14:40:08 olde stuff and the like 14:40:09 AnMaster: whih 14:40:11 which 14:40:14 ooh, latest news from the SCO saga: IBM have just accused SCO of fraus 14:40:15 *fraud 14:40:19 ais523: but I made it so that "110%" worked 14:40:24 only escapey characters were escapable 14:40:31 ehird: fair enough 14:40:43 though %% would prolly trip up to % regardless 14:41:07 WHYY IS THIS A SYNTAX ERROR 14:41:13 ehird: that's what happened with my three-percents earlier 14:42:11 ehird: and what is that a syntax error in? 14:42:25 a bash script 14:42:34 something unterminated, since it's on the last line 14:42:53 ugh 14:43:02 but the code looks absolutely fine 14:43:12 ais523: you'd think they could give the position of the opening delimiter when they did that 14:43:26 that often doesn't help either, with nestables 14:43:34 you just get the first { in the program, or whatever 14:43:43 is the code indented correctly? 14:43:51 ooh, latest news from the SCO saga: IBM have just accused SCO of fraud 14:43:54 THIS ISN'T OVER?!?!? 14:44:02 GregorR: surprising, isn't it? 14:44:09 14:43 ais523: you just get the first { in the program, or whatever 14:44:11 that's useful 14:44:16 i can see where i forgot a delimiter 14:44:19 (soon after its start, normally0 14:44:20 ) 14:44:29 s/0\n\)\n/)/ 14:44:30 ais523: I refuse to believe your vile lies :P 14:44:43 ais523: autoindenting doesn't change the indentation at the bottom 14:44:45 so i'd say yes 14:45:10 maybe a delimiter got commented out or escaped by mistake? 14:45:25 ais523: then it'd syntax highlight or indent correctly; regardless, I can't see any such thing 14:45:47 Abuh?! You know how I just joked about Objective-C#? 14:45:52 I'm reading a blog's archives. 14:45:57 In front of me, right now, post title: 14:46:00 lol 14:46:00 "Objective-C#". 14:46:08 Talking about a thing presented at a Microsoft conference. 14:46:15 It is literally... maybe I got subconscious influence from it. 14:46:21 Like, I think I was scrolled to here when I made the joke. 14:46:29 I could have just forgotten briefly looking at it. 14:46:42 i tried to write simple app for OS X that displays a window and puts random pixels in it 14:46:44 i failed 14:46:53 nooga: aren't you an iphone dev? 14:46:59 this whole NIB shit confused me 14:47:00 you'd think simple os x dev wouldn't be much harder 14:47:06 um the iphone has nibs too. 14:47:15 ehird: sure, but our app throws nibs away 14:47:22 ohh i see 14:47:24 you're a terrible iphone developer 14:47:35 we create everything "by hand" using our formats 14:47:53 (for the linuxheads: Not using NIBs is like, say, not using Glade, and instead writing monotonous code to generate each UI element at a certain pixel point.) 14:48:02 yeah yeah 14:48:14 i need a clear window with a surface to draw on 14:48:16 (...or in this case, scripting said code with a different format that presumably doesn't have the lovely Interface Builder.) 14:48:16 period 14:48:36 sure 14:48:38 nooga: please tell me the brandname these apps are released under so i can avoid them like the plague 14:49:07 oh fear not 14:49:22 it looks as if it were build in IB 14:49:41 nooga: aren't you the guy who ported MFC to iPhone just so you didn't have to rewrite some code? 14:49:49 i think i'd prefer to avoid them anyway 14:51:00 nah 14:51:10 did you not at least plan to do that 14:51:13 nah 14:51:19 MFC was an idiotic idea and we knew it 14:51:24 haha: SCO's latest sale attempt contained a poison pill, which meant that if SCO's bankruptcy was converted to chapter 7, then the people they were selling to would get all their assets 14:51:29 nooga: but you still said you were gonna do it 14:51:34 somehow I doubt that will be approved 14:51:37 but i didn't 14:51:43 nooga: still 14:51:50 it wasnt my idea 14:51:53 i'm just a pawn ;p 14:52:10 The Motion offers no reason for such a provision. Nor can one readily imagine how such a provision would benefit the estates or any reason why a purchaser in general or this Purchaser in particular would reasonably demand transfer of an asset for no additional consideration only if the cases were converted or a trustee were appointed. In fact, Mr. McBride, the Debtors' CEO, could not name a legitimate business reason for the poison pill. 14:53:22 Thus, the Purchaser would pay a higher price if it is determined that the Litigated Copyrights, which the Debtors have valued so highly, and contractual rights that the Debtors claim to own are not owned by the Debtors, and consequently, not included in the Purchased Assets. The Purchaser would pay a lower price if those allegedly valuable assets are included. It does not require citation of authority to show that a purchase and sale 14:53:24 agreement that provides for a lower price upon the transfer of higher value assets does not provide a fair sale price to the estate. 14:53:29 those lawyers are so quotable... 15:00:29 * GregorR 's brain explodes. 15:00:46 This agreement is between the International Business Machines corporation (hereafter "Licensor") and the user of IBM PhotoShare(TM) De-Luxe (hereafter "Product"), hereafter "Licensee". 15:00:56 haha 15:01:03 at least IBM know how to get their own name right 15:09:37 -!- Pthing has joined. 15:09:45 http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes What could cause a guest OS to not work? 15:09:56 Being terrible 15:10:41 Being OS/2 :P 15:11:25 Supposedly, OS/2 works 15:11:33 Sgeo: non-perfect emulation 15:12:00 Hm, thoughts on SkyOS? 15:12:22 I don't know what that is 15:12:22 * Sgeo has one thought on Syllable: I don't think I want to trust an OS when the website is so vulnerable to simple stuff 15:12:32 And if I did, I probably wouldn't have thoughts 15:12:39 http://www.skyos.org/?q=node 15:13:18 "SkyOS development is currently halted" bleh 15:18:20 An operating system is insecure if an extremely side-project aspect of it, the site, possibly not even coded by the authors, is vulnerable to a trivial, quite-easily-missed flaw. This is because OS development is exactly the same as web development. 15:18:38 The more you know. 15:19:47 IMO, SQL injections don't deserve to be "quite easily missed" 15:19:50 >.> 15:19:53 But I see your point 15:20:06 The site is coded in PHP, is it not? 15:20:13 PHP is such a kludge that consistently avoiding such things is a pain. 15:20:21 Anyway, the rest of what I said is still valid. 15:21:25 When I get my laptop back, I'm going to get VirtualBox and try a lot of OSes 15:22:46 I know it's a trivial and silly thing to complain about, but I hope Syllable is themable, I can't stand the theme I see in the screenshots 15:23:05 * ais523 wonders if a £20 note is worth its weight in gold 15:28:21 Sgeo: most OSs suck. 15:29:48 Sgeo: http://web.syllable.org/images/screenshots/Desktop/0.6.6/SyllableDesktop-0.6.6.jpg ;; i don't see what's wrong with this theme 15:30:15 Oh, ok 15:30:25 wat 15:30:32 I didn't see that screenshot 15:30:43 http://web.syllable.org/images/screenshots/Desktop/0.6.6/Sonic-on-MEDNAFEN.png has it too 15:30:52 -!- AnMaster has quit (Success). 15:31:01 * Sgeo was referring to the theme in http://sourceforge.net/dbimage.php?id=180858 15:31:07 looks ok to me 15:31:12 not pretty but 15:35:11 `wolfram weight of £20 note 15:35:18 $Failed \ \ 15:35:28 you don't say 15:38:09 oerjan: try "20 pound note". i bet it'll ask whether you meant C# or G, and how on earth can a note have weight 15:38:24 `wolfram weight of 20 pound note 15:38:33 $Failed \ \ 15:38:42 oerjan: 20 pounds obviously 15:38:43 duh 15:38:44 oerjan: It weighs 20 pounds 15:38:47 Meh 15:38:49 Deewiant: *hi5* 15:38:51 `wolfram mass of 20 pounds note 15:38:53 `wolfram 20 pounds in kg 15:38:58 `wolfram 20 pounds in kilograms 15:38:59 No output. 15:39:01 $Failed \ \ 15:39:01 20 pounds in kg \ \ Input interpretation: \ \ convert 20 lb pounds to kilograms \ Result: \ \ 9.072 kg kilograms \ Additional conversion: \ \ 9072 grams \ Comparison as mass: \ \ 0.13 \ Interpretation: \ \ 18 \ \ typical standard adult human mass \ \ 70 kg \ \ mass \ Corresponding quantities: \ \ Weight w of a body 15:39:05 oerjan: 9kg 15:39:22 * oerjan swats ehird -----### 15:39:52 `wolfram 20 pounds in beer cans 15:39:59 20 pounds in beer cans \ \ Input interpretation: \ \ convert 20 lb pounds to volume of a U.S. beer cans \ Result: \ \ lb pounds and volume of a U.S. beer cans are not compatible. \ Unit information: \ \ unit \ lb pounds volume of a U.S. beer cans \ \ dimensions mass length \ 3 \ \ common physical quantity mass volume of 15:40:34 -!- darthnuri has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 15:41:04 `wolfram 20 pounds in beer cans of beer 15:41:12 $Failed \ \ 15:41:15 =.= 15:41:37 `wolfram 20 pounds of steel in beer cans 15:41:46 $Failed \ \ 15:41:49 ;D 15:41:53 ais523: oh brother, canonical open sourced launchpad ... as AGPL 15:42:02 and why not? 15:42:12 cuz agpl sucks :) 15:42:17 I love AGPL, it's good at annoying BSD fanboys 15:42:19 services and software are fundamentally different 15:42:31 ais523: what is up with you? you rank everything based on how much it annoys people you dislike 15:42:41 and yet say "that really annoys me" to most everything 15:42:41 not everything 15:42:43 just some things 15:42:54 most of the things you care to comment on your rating 15:43:15 anyway, services are fundamentally different from software (f.e. charging for a service is fine, charging for software is not) 15:43:20 AGPL misses the mark 15:44:35 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Nick collision from services.). 15:44:57 -!- MigoMipo_ has joined. 15:45:29 "Further details of the new note and enhanced security features are explained in a leaflet that is available as part of the Bank's range of educational materials." grmbl. 15:45:38 lol, last.fm charge 3 eur/$3/£3 a month for a subscription... but use paypal, which converts currency for you 15:45:41 so assuming the overhead isn't too big 15:45:46 you can always save money by paying in dollars 15:45:52 ais523: i cannot find the mass of it 15:46:04 I don't know the mass either 15:46:13 otherwise, it would be a lot easier to check 15:46:22 -!- MigoMipo_ has quit (Client Quit). 15:48:57 ah 15:49:38 the price of 1 gram gold is 18.56 pounds 15:50:58 > 20/18.56 15:51:01 1.0775862068965518 15:51:21 RE: the APGL. I am not entirely sure of my opinion on it. 15:51:57 Also, 3€, $3, or ₤3? 15:52:01 yep 15:52:04 UNIT CONVERSION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY 15:52:06 well, not that £ 3 15:52:10 yours has two -s 15:52:18 anyway, the bits of a piece of software are not scarce, so selling them is wrong; the server resources and other upkeep costs of a server are scarce, so selling access to the service is okay 15:52:30 I slipped and hit = instead of - for my compose key. 15:52:36 therefore, software and services are fundamentally different beasts 15:52:37 and with that, i brb 15:52:43 Apparently there's a currency that uses ₤? 15:54:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-XoN1Ts6Wg 15:57:00 that brb was a liie 15:57:02 *lie 15:58:46 I really like the Haskell definition of S. "liftM2 id". 15:58:47 :D 15:58:53 pikhq: You mean "ap". 15:59:11 Yes, that's the Haskell name for S. 16:02:28 how do liftM and liftM2 differ? 16:02:35 ?ty liftM 16:02:37 forall a1 r (m :: * -> *). (Monad m) => (a1 -> r) -> m a1 -> m r 16:02:38 ?ty liftM2 16:02:40 forall a1 a2 r (m :: * -> *). (Monad m) => (a1 -> a2 -> r) -> m a1 -> m a2 -> m r 16:06:04 pikhq: btw, the 32nm SSDs are out 16:06:08 on some sites at least 16:06:11 not purchasable yet i don't think 16:06:15 intel sez up to 60% price cuts possible 16:06:24 Jeeze. 16:06:30 http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=15741 16:06:33 huh 16:06:35 it disappeared 16:06:46 ... guess it got published accidentally 16:06:56 its title while up included "[COMPLETE-EMBARGOED UNTIL 11 EST- see note]", so 16:07:15 bollocks :) 16:07:26 ehird: is it still in your cache? 16:07:36 ais523: my iphone's, perhaps 16:07:41 i don't really want to go poking around it, though 16:07:43 that way lies madness 16:10:24 brb. 16:12:08 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 16:13:15 brbd wr 16:15:14 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 16:23:27 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 16:33:28 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 16:34:29 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 16:53:14 http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2008/11/07/sneak-peak-the-dapper-cap-opens-tomorrow/ <-- I love me! 17:46:57 15:53 GregorR-L: http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2008/11/07/sneak-peak-the-dapper-cap-opens-tomorrow/ <-- I love me! 17:47:01 You... love... me? 17:47:03 Wat 17:47:06 Er, *you 17:47:19 Note the striked-out correction in the article. 17:47:23 Then note the comment by me :P 17:49:14 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 17:50:19 But haberdashery is a nicer word than "hat shop", which isn't even one. 17:51:16 It's also wrong, especially since he was pointing out that it was a more "comprehensive haberdashery" because it carried non-haberdashery-related items :P 17:52:21 HAT SHOP IS NOT A WORD. 17:52:38 No. It is in fact two words. 17:52:44 Exactly. 17:52:57 If this was German, it would be a hatschoppe 18:01:19 hatshop boys 18:02:16 -!- nooga has joined. 18:05:24 * pikhq has delicious pancakes 18:06:15 * GregorR-L steals pikhq's delicious pancakes. 18:06:45 I MADE THOSE! 18:07:19 And yet, IIIIIIIIII'm eating them. 18:07:29 * GregorR-L stuffs six to eight pancakes into his gaping maw 18:07:42 Ommmmmf mmmf mmf 18:08:34 I do believe that the mere existence of that store nearby would convince me to wear hats. :P 18:09:30 This is why Portland is better than geoIPQuery(whois(pikhq)) 18:10:05 Middle of nowhere, Missouri. 18:10:24 There's not much needed to make Portland better. 18:10:41 The existence of, well, most anything would do it. 18:10:46 There's a reason the state's pronounced "Misery" :P 18:12:04 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 18:12:52 There's not much misery to be had when you have delicious pancakes. 18:20:13 pikhq: unless they're British pancakes. 18:20:17 The misery is that they are not as good as US pancakes. 18:20:26 It's US pancakes. 18:20:34 I was just disproving your statement. 18:20:49 ... British pancakes are not US pancakes ...? 18:20:54 From what I understand, Scottish pancakes are also quite delish. 18:21:06 GregorR-L: Most countries have their own variant. 18:21:23 Well, variant, sure. 18:21:28 But how variant are we talkin' about? :P 18:21:47 crêêpy pancakes? 18:21:55 Y'know crêpes? 18:22:26 GregorR-L: Vary variant. 18:22:30 Yeah, they're basically crepes. 18:22:34 With sugar. 18:22:40 Rolled up, etc. 18:22:45 Crêpes are delish. 18:22:47 US pancakes are a lot more... 18:22:50 A lot more, uh... 18:22:54 Fattening tastey. 18:22:56 Thicker. 18:22:59 Just more substantial. 18:23:01 Also, maple syrup <3 18:23:11 It's a thicker batter. 18:23:14 yes 18:23:16 Maple syrup is the solution to all problems. 18:23:22 Basically, it's Scottish pancakes done thicker. 18:23:33 pikhq: there are substantial ingredient differences 18:23:37 though i don't remember off the top of my head 18:23:39 GregorR-L: agreed 18:23:42 maple syrup is just so delicious 18:23:52 ehird: Different proportions. 18:24:11 pikhq: no, actual different ingredients too I think 18:24:28 * FireFly likes thin pancakes 18:25:19 According to Wikipedia, self-raising flour, eggs, sugar and milk for Scottish, eggs, flour, milk or buttermilk, and a raising agent. 18:25:26 (for US) 18:26:06 I like potato pancakes AKA latkas. 18:26:11 Mrh, I'm just talking about the ones I've had. 18:26:17 But the US ones were definitely way more delicious. 18:26:22 No contest. 18:26:33 Also, you can't stack UK pancakes. 18:26:36 Do you have IHOP in the UK? :P 18:26:37 Maple syrup is the solution to all problems. 18:26:39 Therefore, USians win by default. 18:26:45 pikhq: GregorR-L just said that :P 18:26:51 Yes. 18:26:54 It bears repeating. 18:26:59 GregorR-L: I don't think so. 18:27:15 pikhq: IHOP is awesomeness, no? 18:27:24 OMG. The Netherlands' pancakes. Commonly served COVERED IN BACON. 18:27:32 GregorR-L: Awesomeness. 18:27:55 http://www.ihop.com/ ← is that really sausage, egg, bacon, and other savory things with a US-style pancake? 18:27:56 I'm going to change that: bacon or maple syrup is the solution to all problems. 18:28:02 Actually all of them look awful. 18:28:05 well 18:28:06 ehird: IHOP is the "International House of Pancakes". It's a 24-hour mostly-breakfast restaurant in the US. The "International" part refers to the variety of pancakes, not the chain. 18:28:09 the banana macadamia nut looks okay 18:28:21 They're all fekking schweet :P 18:28:24 "[19:27:55] http://www.ihop.com/ ← is that really sausage, egg, bacon, " 18:28:25 SPAM? 18:28:29 FireFly: Haha 18:28:33 Prolly 18:28:56 GregorR-L: So, they're of the "take one basic product, and mix it with EVERYTHING ELSE" school of food. 18:29:17 ehird: Naw, they have three basic items: pancakes, waffles and french toast. 18:29:39 GregorR-L: The basic product = pancakes. 18:29:39 Served with a side of eggs, bacon, and/or sausage. 18:29:44 Mixed with everything else. 18:29:45 omg 18:29:47 http://www.ihop.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=2 ← The picture on the famous pancakes page... jesus 18:29:51 "Butterscotch rocks pancakes" 18:29:55 How can you people EAT that stuff 18:29:57 It looks awesome 18:29:59 and also inedible 18:30:31 It looks really thick 18:31:03 US pancakes are thick 18:31:11 although the ones i've had weren't THAT thick 18:31:17 also it looks quite dry, the actual pancake 18:31:40 pikhq: I really can't imagine eating... pancakes... with sausage. 18:31:41 Hahah, I probably wouldn't eat that one :P 18:31:44 It'd spoil both. 18:31:44 That's a bit ... wtf. 18:31:50 ehird: srsly? It's pretty much awesomeness. 18:31:53 Also, 18:31:58 NO IT'S NOT >_< 18:31:58 `google pig in a blanket 18:32:00 [16]http://immaeatchu.wordpress.com/2007/03/28/casual-friday-dinners/ [17]http://blog.silive.com/weather/2007/04/should_i_wear_a_jacket.html [18]http://cuterbythehour.com/2008/05/08/guinea-pig-in-a-blanket/ [19]http://www.bouncingbabybaskets.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=4 \ 2. [20]Pigs in 18:32:00 ehird: That's a rather normal thing. 18:32:09 GregorR-L: :D 18:32:10 GregorR-L: that's savory 18:32:11 Pfft, Google has failed me. 18:32:28 the pancakes served with the sausage look... unsavory. 18:32:40 Yes. 18:32:43 hyuk hyuk double entrende 18:32:50 * entendre 18:32:55 s/\* /*/ 18:33:00 SUCH IS THE POWER OF DELICIOUSNESS. 18:33:09 YOU'RE ALL MAD 18:33:20 HAHAHAHA the menu has a "Desserts" section 18:33:36 "After you've had your Butterscotch Rocks Pancakes, what shall we have for dessert?" 18:33:38 ... Someone would get desserts there? 18:33:52 "Ooh, Crispy Banana Caramel Cheesecake!" 18:33:55 "Om nom nom" 18:33:57 "*vomits*" 18:34:01 lol 18:35:13 -!- GuestShadowSkunk has joined. 18:37:18 -!- Pthing has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 18:37:18 -!- ais523 has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 18:37:18 -!- pikhq has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 18:37:18 -!- FireFly has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 18:37:18 -!- ineiros_ has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 18:37:18 -!- Slereah has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 18:37:21 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:38:04 hi ais523 18:38:10 -!- Pthing has joined. 18:38:10 -!- pikhq has joined. 18:38:10 -!- FireFly has joined. 18:38:10 -!- Slereah has joined. 18:38:10 -!- ineiros_ has joined. 18:40:36 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 18:40:44 -!- BeholdMyGlory_ has joined. 18:41:08 -!- nooga has joined. 18:41:40 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 18:41:51 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 18:43:44 I'd better learn Cocoa sometime. 18:43:46 AND NOW IS SOME TIME 18:43:56 -!- BeholdMyGlory_ has changed nick to BeholdMyGlory. 18:44:02 IT IS AN AMOUNT OF TIME 18:47:16 -!- GregorR has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 18:49:09 AN AMOUNT OF CRIME 18:49:24 -!- GregorR has joined. 18:52:43 -!- pikhq has quit (Connection timed out). 18:55:44 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 18:56:15 -!- nooga has joined. 19:00:06 -!- MigoMipo has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 19:03:42 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 19:06:03 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 19:07:23 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 19:07:54 -!- nooga has joined. 19:12:43 * ehird updates XCode docs. 19:13:23 Twiddle, twiddle, thumbs, thumbs. 19:17:56 it's incredibly likely that two identical GUIDs have been generated, isn't it? 19:18:02 not necessarily published 19:18:13 i mean, just because of prngs and the like 19:18:52 I thought the lengths were set high enough that even the birthday paradox wouldn't cause collisions 19:19:04 yeah, but some PRNGs are really bad 19:19:09 it could even be in the same system 19:19:27 i wouldn't be surprised if a PRNG seed that repeated every N numbers was used to generate >N GUIDs in some system somewhere 19:20:16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUID#Random_UUID_probability_of_duplicates 19:20:20 but that assumes perfect randomness 19:20:26 [[However, these probabilities only hold for Cryptographically secure pseudorandom number generators. These must be used to generate the values, otherwise the probability of duplicates may be significantly higher, since the statistical dispersion may be lower.]] 19:20:31 which is totally unenforceable 19:21:01 -!- ineiros_ has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 19:21:01 -!- Pthing has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 19:21:02 -!- FireFly has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 19:22:31 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 19:23:22 -!- nooga has joined. 19:24:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Brain 19:31:04 -!- ineiros has joined. 19:33:17 -!- Pthing has joined. 19:34:28 -!- FireFly has joined. 19:37:41 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 19:38:14 -!- nooga has joined. 19:49:13 [[Back when I was a student, I had Steve Jobs over for a fireside chat. When I asked my childhood hero if he would sign my Apple Extended keyboard, he looked a little surprised to see Woz’s signature already there, and then he exclaimed, “This keyboard represents everything about Apple that I hate. It’s a battleship. Why does it have all these keys? Do you use this F1 key? No.” And with his car keys he pried it right off. Alan Deutschman reported 19:49:16 the moment in his book, culminating in Jobs’ comment: “I’m changing the world, one keyboard at a time.”]] 19:51:15 What an asshole 19:51:20 I use my F1 key often 19:51:38 Deewiant: Better not invite Jobs over to your place for a fireside chat, then. 19:51:44 Agreed 19:51:45 Deewiant: On a pre-OS X Macintosh? 19:51:45 No./ 19:51:47 No you don't. 19:51:56 It was an Apple keyboard. 19:52:00 As in the quote. 19:52:02 It's PC-compatible. 19:52:05 I don't think I use F1 very often 19:52:07 No it's not 19:52:09 It used ADB, IIRC 19:52:21 Yep. 19:52:26 So no, it was not PC-compatible. 19:52:47 "Many are still using this keyboard through the use of ADB to USB converters." 19:52:55 Deewiant: "Back when I was a student". 19:52:57 It was in the 80s. 19:52:58 Okay fine, at the time ;-) 19:52:59 When Jobs was at NeXT. 19:53:01 etc. 19:53:13 Anyway, "no duh" to "What an asshole". 19:53:21 Do you remember what happened when Apple DIDN'T have an asshole CEO? 19:53:29 They made some of the worst computers ever. 19:54:02 ("But ehird, they still do!" Waah waah waah :P) 19:55:01 I want a bluetooth keyboard that uses that induction thingy for power instead of lameo replaceable batteries. 19:56:46 But the environment! Though I admittedly can't seem to find any recent efficiency figures for state-of-the-art inductive-coupling charging things like that touchstone. 19:57:27 2008: Intel reproduces Nikola Tesla's 1894 implementation and Prof. John Boys group's 1988's experiments by wirelessly powering a light bulb with 75% efficiency.[23] 19:57:34 1964: William C. Brown demonstrated on CBS News with Walter Cronkite a microwave-powered model helicopter that received all the power needed for flight from a microwave beam. Between 1969 and 1975 Brown was technical director of a JPL Raytheon program that beamed 30 kW over a distance of 1 mile at 84% efficiency. 19:58:12 fizzie: WHERE'S YOUR GOD NOW 19:59:20 -!- GregorR-L_ has joined. 20:01:17 Well, you've got to compare that stuff to a wire. :p 20:01:48 fizzie: beats batteries, surely 20:02:14 Er, wasn't that thing used to charge a battery? 20:02:31 Okay, not in the keyboard thing. 20:03:47 fizzie: I mean, non-rechargable batteries. 20:04:09 * ehird notes that his wireless keyboard is heavier than lightweight notebooks 20:04:21 Well, yes, I guess it must beat that. 20:05:12 My GPS device eats rechargeable AAA batteries real fast, which is a shame. (There are lots-of-mAh's AA-size batteries, but the AAA ones seem to be quite a leap downwards.) 20:05:54 * ehird makes a new Apple ID to download documentation and stuff. 20:05:57 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 20:06:09 Hey, there's a new XCode. 20:06:13 I should get that. 20:06:29 -!- nooga has joined. 20:07:52 -!- GregorR-L has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 20:14:11 Speaking of GPS, I geotaggered some (pretty darn boring!) photos from the vicinity: http://zem.fi/g2map/index.cgi/Travel/2009/Leppavaara2 (oh, and all detailed picture descriptions are quoted from a Finnish booklet) 20:15:17 I need a higher resolution. 20:15:20 -!- pikhq_ has changed nick to pikhq. 20:16:01 Just in life, general; or the thumbnails; or the pictures themselves? 20:16:13 On my monitor. 20:16:14 :P 20:16:24 *display; monitor is such a silly term. 20:16:51 It's called a "monitor" because the government is using it to monitor what you do. 20:17:09 They can see through those things; I read it from the Internet. 20:17:22 fizzie: is your name Orwell? 20:17:29 George! My son! 20:20:13 ExpanDrive would work better if applications didn't assume the filesystem is instant. 20:20:36 Also, lazier; you don't want to traverse an entire FTP tree just to display the sidebar tree. 20:20:44 (Same applies to a large local directory, too…) 20:21:08 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 20:21:41 -!- nooga has joined. 20:32:45 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 20:33:15 -!- nooga has joined. 20:45:22 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 20:45:54 -!- nooga has joined. 20:46:26 Next person to implement TCP on UDP gets shot. 20:47:27 * GregorR-L_ publishes libtcpudp 20:47:30 OH NOSE 20:47:34 -!- GregorR-L_ has changed nick to GregorR-L. 20:47:43 It was that GregorR-L_ character! The underscore makes him EVIL! 20:49:23 It's like a goatee in ASCII. 20:49:36 IT SO IS 20:52:00 A screencast with a text-to-speech narrator. 20:52:01 * ehird shivers 20:52:43 What new hell is this??? 20:52:54 What new hell is dissing 20:52:56 21:03:40 Wow, all my applications assume the filesystem is instant. 21:03:49 (My = that I have, so far.) 21:04:14 Or rather: they may expect finite throughput, but they also expect zero or low latency 21:05:19 NetHack doesn't assume an instant filesystem 21:05:35 there's an option that tells it you're running on a floppy disk and disk access will be rather slow 21:06:18 ais523: not as slow as the interwebs 21:06:26 this is why leaky abstractions suck; networked filesystems, RPC, etc 21:06:50 * ehird attempts to watch a really dated introduction to python video over ibiblio ftp 21:07:46 * ehird gets disconnected. 21:08:13 * ehird drags it to the local disk instead 21:08:17 Total buffering! 21:08:48 * ais523 wonders who invented dragging 21:09:07 I know Windows 3.1 came with a mouse tutorial 21:09:14 which explained how to use a mouse 21:10:15 ais523: either Xerox PARC the Macintosh 21:10:19 *or the 21:10:30 the Macintosh was basically ripped from PARC plus improvements 21:10:36 and the original Macintosh had drag-and-drop 21:10:46 and PARC is the only desktop-metaphor system predating it 21:10:49 so it's one of the two 21:11:11 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:11:21 heh this introducing python video is 200 meg 21:11:44 -!- nooga has joined. 21:12:48 Zero KB of 237.5 MB! 21:13:26 Explaining creativity: the science of human innovation - Google Books Result 21:13:26 by Robert Keith Sawyer - 2006 - Psychology - 354 pages 21:13:28 Lisa (1983) or Ed Anson (1980) or Xerox PARC (1982) Menu bar 1983 Lisa Apple ... Xerox PARC Drag and drop movement 1984 (?) Jeff Raskin Macintosh of icons ... 21:13:31 books.google.com/books?isbn=0195161645... - 21:13:33 Folklore.org: Macintosh Stories: On Xerox, Apple and Progress 21:13:35 Drag-and- drop file manipulation came from the Mac group, along with many other ... I have great respect for the amazing computer scientists at Xerox PARC, ... 21:13:38 ais523: the internet is divided! 21:13:48 wow 21:13:53 ais523: "drag and drop movement of icons" was invented for the Macintosh 21:13:54 it seems 21:14:05 (the former wasn't saying PARC invented it) 21:14:09 (there was a newline in between) 21:14:32 "Smalltalk has no Finder, and no need for one, really. Drag-and- drop file manipulation came from the Mac group, along with many other unique concepts: resources and dual-fork files for storing layout and international information apart from code; definition procedures; drag-and-drop system extension and configuration; types and creators for files; direct manipulation editing of document, disk, and application names; redundant typed data for the clipboar 21:14:34 d; multiple views of the file system; desk accessories; and control panels, among others." 21:14:45 ais523: so, the Macintosh; probably by Jef Raskin 21:18:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJhG-uds0-o has the win3.1 mouse tutorial; I remember that; it's the awesome, it's like this skill test "click here" "click there" "wow!" 21:19:00 Oh, and UI elements that fly around. 21:19:15 what's that noise 21:19:19 sounds like interference 21:19:32 Don't know, didn't listen to the sound track. 21:20:15 speaking of Macintosh/Windows, here's an ad for Windows 95… from Apple: http://www.guidebookgallery.org/ads/magazines/windows/win95-apple 21:20:39 -!- GregorR-L has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 21:22:04 ... 21:22:13 pikhq: …, you mean. 21:22:47 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:23:18 -!- nooga has joined. 21:24:06 Apple made an IBM-compatible Mac? 21:24:15 -!- Sgeo has joined. 21:24:15 That sounds hacktastic. 21:25:52 pikhq: I think it was just a PC stuck to a Mac. 21:25:59 I don't think Jobs was at Apple in 1995. 21:26:18 He wasn't there to be an asshole when the PR droids said "let's make a PC-compatible Mac". :-) 21:27:03 OK, Fluxbox is effing up on me. 21:27:13 ehird: Right, he wasn't. 21:27:18 Why is the systray slowly taking over the taskbar area. 21:27:21 STOP EATING MY TASKS 21:27:33 Jobs couldn't say "For crissake, *NO*. Or at the very least, DO IT RIGHT." 21:27:43 GregorR: Omnomnom 21:28:13 -!- GregorR has quit ("Leaving"). 21:33:11 pikhq: Spit him back out! 21:36:59 * pikhq does so 21:37:11 -!- ehird has changed nick to GregorR. 21:37:18 * GregorR wipes self off 21:37:20 Eurgh. 21:37:45 Hi, Gregorhird. 21:37:57 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:38:31 -!- nooga has joined. 21:44:20 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:44:54 Huh. I could, in fact, use Plan 9 for everything; Plan 9 has an implementation of the Linux syscall interface. 21:45:32 pikhq: That's like saying you could use an operating system that only has a VM application for everything. 21:45:35 -!- GregorR_ has joined. 21:45:43 Yes, technically true; but it won't integrate at all. 21:45:46 Wow, OK ... 21:45:47 GregorR_: Uhh, ehird? 21:45:52 -!- GregorR has quit (Nick collision from services.). 21:45:58 -!- GregorR_ has changed nick to GregorR. 21:46:01 \o/ 21:46:05 -!- ehird has joined. 21:46:09 Hay. 21:46:14 So yeah, why don't people use XFCE? 21:46:33 Because it does too much. 21:46:51 yeah 21:46:55 Again I say, moving from KDE4 :P 21:47:00 it's like gnome except with far too many settings and it's less orthogonal 21:47:01 Huh. Glendix. 21:47:05 and less aesthetically pleasing 21:47:12 pikhq: seriously, there's no point using plan 9 if you don't go all the way 21:47:13 It's Plan 9/Linux. 21:47:19 you need a top-to-bottom system to get the benefits 21:47:23 ehird: I'm just going "huh". 21:47:26 Yeah. 21:47:30 The authors are Plan 9 newbies. 21:48:23 * pikhq notes that Glendix can run unmodified Plan 9 binaries. WHY ARE THEY DOING THAT. 21:49:59 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 21:50:16 brb 21:51:33 * GregorR reappears. 21:51:33 -!- nescience has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:51:34 -!- evenant has joined. 21:51:47 KDE4 is like KDE3 minus all the configurability. 21:52:07 Gnome is like some terrifying hybrid of Mac OS X and Windows, minus even their meager configurability. 21:52:17 XFCE is like Gnome plus configurability. 21:52:21 Gregor like configurability 22:12:39 XFCE like gnome? 22:16:38 pikhq: isn't plan9 quite.... dead? 22:16:54 nooga: No. 22:17:11 no? 22:51:27 but there's a web interface 22:51:29 http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/ 22:51:35 and you can download a nightly live/install CD 22:51:40 oh 22:51:42 and that contains 22:51:43 does it run on supercomputers? 22:51:46 It contains source of the kernel, libraries, and commands for all supported architectures. 22:51:48 nooga: ys 22:51:49 yes 22:51:54 http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/blue_gene/ 22:51:59 IBM's Blue Gene 22:52:28 dunno if they've done any real computation on it, but. 22:53:20 nooga: It's designed almost like as if they wanted it to run on clusters. 22:53:28 pikhq: they did, originally 22:53:31 that's why cpu servers exist 22:53:31 does acme support syntax highlighting ? 22:53:35 nooga: no 22:53:36 Oh, right. That's why. 22:53:37 and it never will 22:53:39 and this is by design 22:53:42 why? 22:53:52 It edits text. 22:53:57 pikhq: including code. 22:53:58 nooga: because it is not *needed* 22:54:03 how to edit code under plan9? 22:54:05 and what is not needed must be omitted 22:54:06 nooga: acme 22:54:06 That's all it does, and it strives to do it simply and well. 22:54:07 or sam 22:54:10 (samterm, rather) 22:54:15 sam is like ed with a view of the file 22:54:17 acme is mouse-based 22:54:20 acme's nicer imo 22:54:27 why it's not needed? 22:54:44 ... For the obvious reason that it's not? 22:54:48 nooga: don't you have eyes with which to read code? If it's complex enough that you can't differentiate what's happening, the philosophy says 22:54:49 , 22:54:52 then you should simplify it 22:54:53 or split it up 22:55:03 why does plan9 gui has 3 colors, we have terminals that support 16M 22:55:05 Similarly, no automatic indentation; it is not needed if you keep your functions short and shallow. 22:55:14 nooga: They are simple and soothing. 22:55:19 If you want a fireworks show, go find one. 22:55:27 (They were specifically selected to be soothing on the eyes.) 22:55:28 rather harsh and annoying 22:55:33 Seriously? 22:55:36 They're soft colours. 22:55:37 aliased text GROSSSSSSSS 22:55:40 Also, there's more than 3 colours. 22:55:48 nooga: So you don't like Plan 9's GUI. 22:55:50 So don't use it! 22:55:56 I'd like antialiased text too, but it's not that important. 22:56:10 nooga: Plan 9 is basically taking the UNIX philosophy and applying it everywhere. 22:56:13 ehird: and tell me that you run plan9 on your mac 22:56:25 nooga: I don't have a need for Plan 9 right now, so I don't have it installed. 22:56:34 If I wanted to play with it, I'd install it on a USB stick or something. 22:56:42 will you need plan9 in future? 22:56:52 Why's that relevant? 22:56:56 But I probably won't _need_, no. 22:57:08 ehird: nooga: because it is not *needed* 22:57:15 voila! 22:57:26 pikhq: nooga has just reached a new height of idiocy. 22:57:52 nooga: I was expressing the minimalist ideology. 22:57:59 if you don't use plan 9 you need to use something else 22:58:03 nooga: You're debating about whether things are needed in a room devoted to pointless programming languages. 22:58:09 to get things done reasonably, there's a minimum complexity level 22:58:17 pikhq: yes :D 22:58:17 plan 9 is pretty much there 22:58:22 if you don't use plan 9 22:58:23 okay 22:58:23 that's LESS simple 22:58:28 because you use something more complex 22:58:45 a simpler OS could still be more complex; the plan 9 community is quite large, so that saves you time, simplifying your work 22:58:49 but potentially you can build complex structures using really basic ones 22:59:01 Yes; you could also build a cathedral out of lego. 22:59:09 If you really have that much time to waste. 22:59:15 nooga: Yes; welcome to UNIX and functional programming. 22:59:46 is there a ghc compiled for plan9 ? 22:59:56 nooga: Yes, and if you use it you miss the point. 22:59:57 Utterly. 23:00:10 ghhhhhhhhhhhhhh 23:00:22 Why isn't Plan 9 exactly like OS X? 23:00:27 noooo 23:00:34 that's not my poin 23:00:41 t 23:00:45 what is your point? 23:01:11 *for what one should use plan9* 23:01:26 nooga: what should you use Linux for? 23:01:30 Um... well... things... 23:01:39 You know, like... tasks... programs... 23:01:42 for everything 23:01:46 Operating on, uhh, data, it's good at that. 23:02:00 And... executing... multiple things? Like, at once. 23:02:03 Linux is good at that. 23:02:10 using complex systems built using less complex systems built using .... built using quite basic elements 23:02:42 Toasters are OSes. 23:02:47 pikhq: Fun project: Build a Beowulf cluster using machines and parts strictly older than 1997. 23:02:58 ehird: Trivial, but fun. 23:02:58 Make it competitive with modern few-node servers. 23:03:03 pikhq: See next line. 23:03:07 ehird: been done by my roommate 23:03:08 Oh. 23:03:13 oh 23:03:14 ehird: Unlikely. 23:03:18 no 23:03:26 Except for exceptionally data-parallel tasks. 23:03:30 We as computer scientists are not good enough at parallelization for that to be feasible. 23:03:38 pikhq: uhh, that's what you do on beowulf clusters 23:03:44 Oh, right. 23:03:48 Beowulftastic. 23:03:50 Trivial. 23:03:51 you don't buy a beowulf cluster to run printf("Hello, "); printf("world! 23:03:53 \n"); 23:03:59 Just a matter of getting sufficient systems. 23:04:17 Yes, but without spending more than said server. 23:04:18 ... And a power plant; that's a lot of fekking systems. 23:04:21 i invented and implemented little parallel computing system ... but then i discovered that nazi BOINC which is almost exactly the same 23:04:23 :C 23:04:35 You have to be crafty, use really good software, get really expensive workstations for them, and find someone with a huge inventory of 'em. 23:04:57 Since you said "older than '97", can do. Old PCs can be had on the cheap. 23:05:14 The switches necessary may be harder to come by. 23:05:25 Might just use some old PCs with old network cards for that. 23:05:29 'xactly 23:05:49 I doubt that actaully running the thing would be any cheaper, though. 23:05:59 That's a lot of systems, and a lot of freaking power. 23:06:01 one guy from my university tried to run parallel programs on a single board filled with ARMs and memory controllers 23:06:11 pikhq: ehh 23:06:18 what did a powerful 1996 workstation suck up 23:06:22 300 watts maybe? 23:06:29 can't be more 23:06:36 ehird: do you pay your bills? 23:06:44 Sure, and you'll need several of them to compete with a modern server. 23:06:53 nooga: I'm 13, take a guess; but that's irrelevant, of course this isn't practical. 23:06:53 oh right, you're 13 23:06:57 It's called relatively practical. 23:07:03 Which probably uses 400W or some such. 23:07:16 pikhq: Nah. A decent gaming machine uses 400W. 23:07:19 But anyways, sure, you could do it. 23:07:22 (Core i7, Radeon 4850) 23:07:31 dry your hair and burn toasts 24h 23:07:40 and face your parents 23:07:41 pikhq: A dual-processor server, ehh, 300 watts. 23:07:46 But that's more powerful 23:07:52 HURR IM STEREOTYPE MAN 23:08:04 nooga: You're Polish therefore you're unproductive, don't know English and are also stupid. 23:08:09 Wait, those might be true. OHH SNAP 23:08:11 HURR IM MONOTYPE MAN 23:08:24 pikhq: Anyway, 100 x powerful 1996 workstation = 30,000 watts. 23:08:29 Admittedly, not exactly cheap. 23:08:36 But a lot of beowulf clusters prolly use about that much. 23:08:37 Maybe. 23:10:23 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=polak&defid=145877 23:10:48 (probably written by polak) 23:10:53 but who cares 23:10:54 :D 23:12:06 SOME POINTS THAT SHOW HOW GREAT IT IS TO BE POLISH || 23:12:07 || 23:12:08 \/ 23:12:10 You are Catholic 23:12:13 ↑ Being a Catholic is so awesome. 23:14:12 I AM NOT!@?@>@{@#!P?!"!~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111 23:14:24 "No matter what they try, they become good at it ( perfectionists)" 23:14:27 nooga, English. 23:14:29 Nuff said! 23:14:33 Even if you can't see them wearing a cross, they are wearing it in their heart 23:14:38 AND THEY'RE NAILED TO IT 23:14:41 English what 23:14:42 JUST LIKE JESUS 23:14:44 IT'S SO SYMBOLIC 23:14:51 nooga: You, learning English, become good at it perfectionist no :P 23:15:02 LOL 23:15:05 nooga: half way down the list 23:15:06 "They aren't show-offs." 23:15:14 actually one of the last ones 23:16:22 FFFFFUUUUU 23:18:07 If you call a Polak an idiot - this is the most stupid thing you can say. 23:18:10 nooga: you're an idiot 23:18:11 OH SNAP 23:18:14 I'm an idiot now. 23:18:17 wait 23:18:20 nooga: you've called yourself an idiot 23:18:23 which is the most stupid thing you can do 23:18:25 wow 23:18:26 that's meta that 23:18:52 printed and nailed to the wall upon my desk: "ehird: I'm an idiot now." 23:19:03 I'm an idiot now. 23:19:04 I'm an idiot now. 23:19:05 I'm an idiot now. 23:19:07 that's meta that 23:19:09 that's meta that 23:19:11 that's meta that 23:19:13 I'm an idiot now. 23:19:15 I'm an idiot now. 23:19:17 I'm an idiot now. 23:19:19 I'm an idiot now. 23:19:21 nooga: don't stop printin'! 23:19:55 the printer started to print itself 23:20:09 pikhq: ! 23:20:11 smoeone's working on that actually 23:20:11 RepRap is obsolete. 23:20:21 :D 23:20:42 i should divide by 0 now 23:20:49 why is reprap obsolete btw? 23:20:56 maybe it will stop it 23:21:02 ehird: ! 23:21:13 evenant: Because nooga's printer printed itself. 23:21:16 evenant: Printer printing itself! 23:21:23 It can self-replicate totally; RepRap cannot yet. 23:21:32 i can youtube that 23:21:42 nooga: quick, get the new one to print another 23:21:48 oh dear, out of batteries for my camera that films itself 23:21:50 damn 23:22:03 While the old one's printing itself. 23:22:03 oh, right 23:22:07 i just got here 23:22:08 :P 23:22:38 i can't tell if this is a joke or not 23:22:38 lol 23:23:11 nooga: just print some new batteries 23:23:28 evenant: "My body's wasted, but my mind is on fire" doesn't it usually go the other way around 23:24:32 haha 23:24:35 i love that song :> 23:24:45 i'm Polish, i don't know what is joke, right? i drink vodka, steal cars and kill my time as a construction worker in germany 23:24:47 oh right, it's in my whois still 23:24:49 what song 23:24:56 i forgot D: 23:25:00 that quote is from a song 23:25:02 the google gives nothing 23:25:05 maybe you miswordified it 23:25:07 i thought it was a quote for some reason 23:26:38 my laptop is so sloooow 23:26:46 kick it 23:27:29 FAEG 23:27:57 scuse me it's brain not mind wat 23:28:11 http://www.metal-archives.com/viewlyrics.php?id=159672 23:28:14 i will change that immediately! 23:28:35 so not only is your body wasted 23:28:38 your mind organ is on fire 23:28:42 isn't that a bit redundant 23:29:06 do i actually care? :P 23:29:15 Yes. 23:29:20 the song doesn't have to make sense for me to enjoy it 23:31:26 DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARN! 23:31:37 ]obj-c does not support operator overloading 23:33:54 nooga: ... 23:33:59 because there are no operators on objects. 23:34:02 [obj msg] 23:34:09 there's also the stupid obj.accessor, but that's just sugar. 23:34:11 yea 23:34:12 a + b is just C a + b 23:34:19 it doesn't make sense to want an overload 23:34:29 forgot that 23:34:39 i still don't think in terms of messages 23:34:49 are you using accessors? 23:34:57 i'd stay off them until you're thinking in messages 23:34:59 accessor syntax is stoopid 23:35:00 rarely but yes 23:35:16 an object is just a pointer that has some fun bracket magic 23:35:21 the actual value is opaque and useless 23:35:42 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 23:40:35 nooga: Unless it's written with Objective-C specific syntax, then it is just like C. 23:41:04 noticed taht 23:41:30 There aren't enough public FTP servers to browse through. 23:42:32 Wait. 23:42:33 I can set one up here. 23:42:36 In a few clicks! 23:42:37 Hooray OS X! 23:43:29 System Preferences → Sharing → File Sharing → Tick → Options → Enable "Share files and folders using FTP" 23:43:36 ;> 23:43:37 (Other options are Apple's AFP and SMB. Yes, that Samba. Built in.) 23:43:44 Gotta love integration. 23:43:51 it's pretty cool 23:44:32 And voila! I am connected to my home folder on localhost via FTP. 23:44:45 It's, uh, rather fast? :P 23:48:47 Ha. 23:48:52 There's a tiling WM for OS X Aqua. 23:48:55 http://www.irradiatedsoftware.com/sizeup/ 23:49:00 Effectively. 23:50:54 You can not share your own computer. 23:50:55 :( 23:54:16 http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3522 apollo 11 code 23:54:38 LOL 23:54:39 pikhq: 23:54:40 TCBANKCALL# TEMPORARY, I HOPE HOPE HOPE 23:54:42 CADRSTOPRATE# TEMPORARY, I HOPE HOPE HOPE 23:54:44 ... Wait. 23:54:46 CADR? 23:54:53 Yes, CADR. 23:54:54 It's an architecture similar to the original Lisp implementation's! 23:54:57 <333333 23:55:00 <3 23:55:11 That is, similar to the one that the original Lisp was implemented on. 23:58:46 GAINBRAK,1 # NUMERO MYSTERIOSO 23:59:50 pikhq: are you sure it was just 2KB of program memory? 23:59:53 just the guidance system looks longer 23:59:56 http://code.google.com/p/virtualagc/source/browse/trunk/Luminary099/LUNAR_LANDING_GUIDANCE_EQUATIONS.s?r=258#666 23:59:58 er