< 1248220800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/virtualagc/source/browse/trunk/Luminary099/LUNAR_LANDING_GUIDANCE_EQUATIONS.s < 1248220805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1248220806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gone < 1248220810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/virtualagc/source/browse/trunk/Luminary099/LUNAR_LANDING_GUIDANCE_EQUATIONS.s?r=258 < 1248220811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1248220895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so glad I have higher level languages. < 1248221040 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe the comments are real < 1248221053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe that unicorns don't exist < 1248221077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: get the images from http://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/ < 1248221190 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1248221198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly i can't find where they are < 1248221209 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it must've been cool to interface a spaceship < 1248221220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like fucking scary < 1248221261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta get it totally right, everyone in the world is watching, and if you screw up, you've killed 3 highly intelligent cultural icons and ruined the dream of the fulfillment of JFK's wish: the single biggest accomplishment of humanity to date < 1248221267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, no pressure < 1248221529 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm < 1248221572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm what < 1248221596 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brobably that's why ADA was created < 1248221602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ada < 1248221613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Ada doesn't help you write algorithms that work < 1248221620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just stops stupid semantic errors < 1248221622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to logical ones < 1248221733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Further our inevitable doom. < 1248221733 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ( e) if there were more than one order, the clerk of the < 1248221735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Further our inevitable doom. < 1248221736 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: clerk of the < 1248221737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1248222002 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heard of Clojure ? < 1248222014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1248222015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks. < 1248222185 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248222187 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks < 1248222207 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's less awkward than erlang < 1248222241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, if you're on crack. < 1248222365 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, there's nothing particularly awkward about Erlang. < 1248222412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame that its type system isn't that complex. < 1248222434 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1248222444 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know erlang but it seems awkward < 1248222449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1248222452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a stupid metric < 1248222465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared to sexps? < 1248222466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll tell you what's awkward < 1248222479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clojure is a lisp without the lisp, merely a gutted shell on top of the oh-so-hateful JVM < 1248222490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its primitives suck, its immutability isn't handled well, making it awkward < 1248222495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it uses java threads for concurrency < 1248222501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus making it useless for massive concurrenccy < 1248222504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*concurrency < 1248222510 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Eeeeew. < 1248222511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…so we get all these compromises for no reward < 1248222515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a horrible platform < 1248222521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet < 1248222550 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for compiling to a common bytecode. ... Which Haskell can do without the compromises. < 1248222565 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(someone made a Haskell->JVM compiler) < 1248222572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: please, no < 1248222574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdavm sucks < 1248222576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is unmaintained < 1248222577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sucks < 1248222578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dearly < 1248222581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also has terrible performance < 1248222586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it generates awful code < 1248222589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just yeah don't even go there < 1248222598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well, it's not like JVM is meant as a general-purpose bytecode. < 1248222606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is nowadays < 1248222616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's suitable for Java, and a few other languages manage to work with it. < 1248222750 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all true < 1248222773 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clojure sucks < 1248222781 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java and jvm sucks < 1248222785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast turnaround there < 1248222803 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1248222817 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i say that clojure is cool and erlang is crap? < 1248222834 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've said that clojure sucks but it's less awkward than erlang < 1248222842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/shrug < 1248222847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clojure is pretty much the worst new language < 1248222854 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1248222864 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang is not very awkward. < 1248222883 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, it has an awkward name < 1248222886 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1248222891 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird-ass psuedo-sexps, that's awkward. < 1248222935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang is very Sveedish. < 1248222965 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a language that lets me write program as if it were written for a single computer and then run it on a multiple nodes as a raw machine code ! < 1248222985 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang's the closest to that. < 1248222987 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, tenses < 1248223016 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1248223023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1248223024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1248223032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: what you ask for is impossible < 1248223034 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought so < 1248223041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatic parallelization has to figure out what options are significant and which aren't < 1248223044 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on a level of language < 1248223047 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS, probably < 1248223049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you parallelize everything and the overhead breaks it down < 1248223054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to specify < 1248223056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no free lunch < 1248223067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just need languages that express concurrency more fluently < 1248223085 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P6 with its | ? < 1248223087 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naah < 1248223096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i say that. < 1248223099 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248223143 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Haskell and Erlang seem to be doing a decent job at that. < 1248223150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1248223150 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking out loud < 1248223152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a total restating < 1248223156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ah < 1248223169 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WAS THINKING! < 1248223180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow! < 1248223189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1248223190 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, are you not even happy with STM? < 1248223197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's about concurrent state < 1248223198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not concurrency < 1248223200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an idea just popped into my head! < 1248223206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very colourless and green < 1248223209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sleeping furiously atm < 1248223220 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPRESSSS!!! < 1248223225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i can represent distributed computation … thingies as objects that … thingy < 1248223228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit underripe atm < 1248223238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the imagery was nice! < 1248223248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo `par` (bar `seq` baz foo bar) < 1248223271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i get you're a haskell fanboy but it's not a panacea < 1248223287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: YES IT IS < 1248223291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1248223308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF HASKELL IS NOT THE RIGHT SOLUTION ITS NOT WORTH DOING < 1248223328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about its not worth doing? < 1248223342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively: Your wrong bitch. < 1248223588 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: very colourless and green << synesthesis ? < 1248223603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorless_green_ideas_sleep_furiously < 1248223606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1248223607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1248223608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1248223655 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chomsky is completely wrong < 1248223663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1248223667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he's not. < 1248223708 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people will automatically find meaning in any phrase < 1248223794 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't compose a phrase completely without meaning < 1248223800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you can < 1248223836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: monogamous aardvark tetragrammaton ovulating invisible pink unicorns on the stair that is not a stair that is a flower that is a train that is that which is not that which can be described as it where it is not itself where itself refers to the whole whole and it is it but it is not it < 1248223853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that latter part is so easy to find meaning in < 1248223944 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsensical but still, lovers of modern poetry would find something about dying whales here < 1248223957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Also, < 1248223960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While the meaninglessness of the sentence is often considered fundamental to Chomsky's point, Chomsky was relying upon this only to ensure that the sentences had never been spoken before. Thus, even if one were to prescribe a likely and reasonable meaning to the sentence, the grammaticalness of the sentences are concrete despite being the first time a person had ever heard that phrase, or those words in such a combination. < 1248223963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In conclusion, you fail. < 1248223994 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm < 1248224238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1248224265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colorless green ideas sleep furiously. < 1248224273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what we're "discussing" < 1248224291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was making an observation concerning ideas. < 1248224315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1248224365 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm < 1248224370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm < 1248224376 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reading about C under plan9 < 1248224385 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.... LOOOOKS KEWL! < 1248224391 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it* < 1248224413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you have some taste at least < 1248224968 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen Newsqueak? < 1248224988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mouse thing? No. < 1248225014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an informal reference manual for the concurrent language Newsqueak. < 1248225014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newsqueak’s roots are in Squeak, a language designed a few years ago by Luca Cardelli andRob Pike to illustrate concurrent solutions to problems in user interface design. < 1248225017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confusing. < 1248225019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not Smalltalk at all. < 1248225032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This looks quite ordinary. < 1248225129 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :channels are pretty good idea < 1248225140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but simplistic. < 1248225812 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1248225844 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had Unix like OS called CROOK on MERA 400 computers at my university in 70's < 1248225871 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've got perforated tapes from that computer < 1248226324 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1248227719 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248227793 0 :nooga!n=nooga@188.33.80.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248228474 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248228507 0 :nooga!n=nooga@188.33.80.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248229091 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1248229152 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248229481 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248229513 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1248232677 0 :nescience!n=myndzi@70-58-88-38.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248232678 0 :evenant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248234175 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macrons, anēwun? < 1248234251 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ōr shoold Ī dōō sumthing ūsf@l insted? < 1248234281 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I eat macrons for breakfast. < 1248234296 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Līk figūring owt how tō tīp ə. < 1248234334 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION səlects it and plans tō rīght-click. < 1248234417 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION yôns. < 1248235744 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You're the banana king, Charlie!" "No, I'm not! That doesn't even make sense!" < 1248237148 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FILE *file = !fopen "filename" r!;!fprintf file "Hello, world\!\n"!;!fclose file!; // Let there be a nice C macro system. < 1248237409 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1248237486 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much boilerplate. Needs moar metaprogramming. < 1248237525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: fopen, fprintf, and fclose all can result in errors.) < 1248238074 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why you're not allowed to cast void pointers to function pointers < 1248238141 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because on certain platforms, data pointers and code pointers aren't the same length. < 1248238159 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. 16-bit DOS with code all in the lower 16-bit and data in 24-bit space. < 1248238194 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harvard architecture? < 1248238207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Actually, on DOS, there's more than one type of data pointer. < 1248238216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Near pointers are 16-bit, far are 24-bit. < 1248238217 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1248238258 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but with the right compiler flags, void * is always 32-bit, and void (*)() is always 16-bit. < 1248238266 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Arguably, s/right/wrong/ :P) < 1248238274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh. < 1248238301 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't remember, are you allowed to cast between function pointers? < 1248238334 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally. < 1248238337 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not implicitly, obviously. < 1248238349 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think? Idonno :P ) < 1248238701 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1248238719 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1248243278 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248249599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1248249600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1248251860 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1248251960 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@130.233.249.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248252779 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248257868 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-12-113.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248258130 0 :nooga!n=nooga@188.33.80.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248259229 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1248259974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1248259977 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248259979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1248259983 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248260138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:51 bsmntbombdood: i can't remember, are you allowed to cast between function pointers? < 1248260150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably not between (fptr →) and (ptr →) < 1248260530 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even between two function pointer types < 1248260547 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can cast, but you can't call it unless you cast back < 1248260561 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, you can, but it's undefined.) < 1248260776 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *would* be quite a surprise if it actually were legal to call a function with the wrong type of pointer. < 1248260823 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the type might actually be right, but if you originally got it as a wrong type it's still not allowed. < 1248260896 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you just said you can call it when you cast it back. < 1248260901 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1248260950 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Only if it started life as the right type. < 1248260974 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be that the case I'm thinking off is actually impossible. < 1248260979 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you "start life" as the wrong type? I mean, you get a function pointer by taking the address of a function, and that's the right type. < 1248261027 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have indeed been under the impression that things are very difficult with function pointers, what with there being no void-pointer style thing there. < 1248261051 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was thinking of: < 1248261077 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrongtype fp = (wrongtype)&foo; (*(righttype)(fp))(); < 1248261086 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that works since &foo is righttype. < 1248261099 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, http://c-faq.com/ptrs/generic.html < 1248261113 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is guaranteed, however, that all function pointers can be interconverted, as long as they are converted back to an appropriate type before calling." < 1248261133 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1248261671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy. < 1248261679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cast function pointers quite often < 1248261879 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the club of every C programmer ever: your code may not be portable < 1248261889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuh :) < 1248262887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Ace clones from Franklin Computer Corporation are the best known and had the most lasting impact, as Franklin copied Apple's ROMs and software and freely admitted to doing so. Franklin's argument: a computer's ROM was simply a pattern of switches locked into a fixed position, and one cannot copyright a pattern of switches. Apple fought Franklin in court for about five years to get its clones off the market, and was ultimately successful when a court < 1248262890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ruled that software stored in ROM was in fact copyrightable in United States. (See Apple Computer, Inc. v. Franklin Computer Corp.)" < 1248262893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, Apple! < 1248262900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just go and create software copyright why don'tcha < 1248263270 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lol'd < 1248263384 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248264260 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple apple < 1248264263 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple apple < 1248264272 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaple aplle < 1248264279 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aplee < 1248264293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pee. < 1248264301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pea. < 1248264360 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel urge to write a thin layer on top of C to enable defining operators < 1248264384 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and array literals < 1248264454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i want to shoot people who refuse to get into a language and instead just write shit that they already know in it. < 1248264463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be warned, for i have an invisible gun. < 1248264476 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use C < 1248264486 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite intensively < 1248264513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not decently, as shown < 1248264522 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1248264545 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to write vector equations using function calls < 1248264553 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks ugly, hard to debug < 1248264559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop using c for writing such things. < 1248264570 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is fast < 1248264605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Fuck. This. Impression. C is not always fast. C is not the only fast language. And if you're doing v2 = (v0 + v1) / blah blah blah, it's going to entirely consist of function calls. < 1248264609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To functions… implemented in C. < 1248264615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be incredibly difficult to make that slow. < 1248264721 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just need a specialized preprocessor to make my program look nicer < 1248264736 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and less verbose < 1248264775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/sigh < 1248264781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad i'll never touch any of your code < 1248264827 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you negate all my ideas < 1248264844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a great propensity for bad ones < 1248264855 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's your opinion < 1248264903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also have opinions like "2 + 2 = 4", "killing people is bad" etc < 1248264906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1248265278 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"killing people is bad" really is an opinion, ehird < 1248265287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1248265288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1248265305 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248265308 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1248265310 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go < 1248265313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: what is your point? < 1248265320 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 2+2 = 4 isn't < 1248265324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure is < 1248265329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could be totally misunderstanding the axioms < 1248265338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hallucinating everyone else who says that 2 + 2 = 4 < 1248265348 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, while they're abstract concepts, you know what I mean < 1248265364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: who says i'm not mentally insane < 1248265370 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me. < 1248265371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe everyone's been saying 2 + 2 = 5 < 1248265375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's a proof of it < 1248265380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my display is actually a toaster! < 1248265390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok, so this is a bit of a slippery slope because everything becomes an opinion.) < 1248265395 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, but with that kind of attitude, everything is "an opinion" < 1248265405 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure opinion would be the correct word here < 1248265411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1248265427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started listing just factual stuff, but then decided he wouldn't understand if i didn't put in a generally accepted opinion < 1248265452 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, you put two things in here < 1248265459 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't say "I started listing" < 1248265542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248265842 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i can't imagine how my idea can be bad, we're on channel that's about mainly useless and twisted programming languages that break RULES < 1248265858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we don't put esolangs in Actual Real Systems. < 1248265863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're here specifically BECAUSE we never would. < 1248265873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok, maybe AnMaster would, but nobody sane would tell him to program something) < 1248265875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ? < 1248265913 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, and if i say that i'd like to create a language with pleasant syntax that resembles C and compiles to C ? < 1248265929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I might joke about doing that, not sure if I actually would. < 1248265930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're missing the point. < 1248265947 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has pleasant syntax < 1248265955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err ... what? < 1248265963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you comparing C to then? PHP? < 1248265982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL! < 1248265989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1248266001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADD SYNTACTIC EXTENSIONS TO C GIVING NOOGA'S FUCKED UP CHIMERA LANGUAGE < 1248266002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there are worse languages than C. Lots of worse ones. But calling the C syntax "pleasant" seems backwards. < 1248266069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that second syntax could be said as just "Lots." < 1248266077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i don't think "worse" works there < 1248266082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1248266083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Many." < 1248266084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not lots < 1248266089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it sounded awkward < 1248266106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alsothereshouldbeacommaafter"yes" < 1248266107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: that second syntax could be said as just "Lots." <-- err, which second one? I did holistic reading of the scrollback when I was highlighted. < 1248266118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:33 AnMaster: yes there are worse languages than C. Lots of worse ones. But calling the C syntax "pleasant" seems backwards. < 1248266121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1248266122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248266125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there are worse languages than C. Many. But calling the C syntax "pleasant" seems backwards. < 1248266136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how to make it sound OK with the second sentence still being redundant < 1248266153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1248266155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that "lots" < 1248266224 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, haskell syntax is pleasand < 1248266233 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pleasant* < 1248266302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a short list of "worse syntax than C": PHP, COBOL, AppleScript, C++, BASIC < 1248266318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :far from comprehensive < 1248266508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh i'm sorta tempted to defend applescript because for simple OS scripting tasks it writes more smoothly than a sigiled up syntax imo, butttttttttttt i don't exactly -like- the syntax < 1248266645 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joy has pleasant syntax < 1248268980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A proposed slogan for David Icke: Not Rapture— Raptor! < 1248269274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a "REPTILIAN SHAPESHIFT OH GOD VIDEO", YouTube: < 1248269275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ccon69 (4 days ago) +1 Reply | Spam < 1248269275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't do this kind of analysis with YouTube quality video and to even try show's you have limited intellect. < 1248269278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gillamrl (4 days ago) Reply < 1248269280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have no clue about frequency. < 1248269282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLV is the format for truth........ < 1248269284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ccon69 (1 day ago) +1 Reply | Spam < 1248269286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLV is low quality video and to do a video analysis in this format is a waste of time. < 1248269288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gillamrl (17 hours ago) Reply < 1248269290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong FLV allows us to peer through the other dimension. < 1248269294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLV: the dimension-peering truth frequency format! < 1248269656 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248269687 0 :nooga!n=nooga@188.33.80.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248269924 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1248270022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I didn't say applescript didn't get the job done. :P < 1248270045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what i was trying to say is that applescript would be less useful for OS scripting tasks if it had a more typical syntax, IMO < 1248270062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's almost all simple function calls, really, and those fit very easily into the natural language model < 1248270064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm possible. < 1248270077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's still the problem of the "Why doesn't it understand my English?!", though < 1248270085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the syntax is as formal as any other language < 1248270131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but try to do something with any sort of flow control in it. Sure it can be done. Just not very nicely. And doing something like "for each foo in bar { some typical scripting task on each here }" isn't so unusual for scripting :P < 1248270170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh another thing, at least on classical Mac OS, it was hard to find good docs on syntax and such. Everything was tutorial style rather than reference guide style < 1248270209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you had to look at what other scripts did to find out the syntax for the handler thing ("on xxx" iirc? Was ages ago I coded in it...) < 1248270210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure applescript has a standard each-loop < 1248270215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also ifs and the like < 1248270229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i think it's better nowadays < 1248270235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, there's not much to learn, really < 1248270238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, you can view the Dictionaries < 1248270244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes of course < 1248270245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :applescripty applications come with full API documentation < 1248270250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :organized etc < 1248270250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't help for the syntax < 1248270254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1248270255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the language itself < 1248270276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a tiny part; even things like (say "Hello." with "voice") are part of a service < 1248270290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and "set item of container to value" instead of "container.item = value". Means you have to jump back and forth a bit there when reading the script. < 1248270312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "set container's item to value" < 1248270356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but applescript could be better, inded < 1248270358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1248270377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ADD SYNTACTIC EXTENSIONS TO C GIVING NOOGA'S FUCKED UP CHIMERA LANGUAGE <-- this would be META-COBOL, i guess? < 1248270383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1248270385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metabol. < 1248270390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coding in it is Metabolism. < 1248270395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about stuff like creating scripts that look like applications? And where you can drop things on? On classical MacOS how to do that wasn't documented, except well hidden inside an unrelated SDK (NOT the "AppleScript SDK", I think it was in "ColorSync SDK"(!)) as a comment in a script included with it. < 1248270433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not sure you can do arbitrary Cocoa stuff, but basic dialog stuff is well documented. Pretty sure once you get to that point you're meant to start up Xcode and brush up on your Objective-C. < 1248270440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was in ColorSync SDK it was probably just meant for that. < 1248270448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I meant as in, making the script an app that you can drop files on < 1248270453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1248270455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was used in lots of places by apple < 1248270462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be surprised if that's not well-documented nowadays. I'll take a look. < 1248270463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and third parties < 1248270470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I hope so. < 1248270504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's not in ColorSyncScripting, which is a good indicator. < 1248270534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back then it was a single SDK for scripting and C interface at least. hm < 1248270624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be in System Events or something. Too lazy to look further. < 1248270637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1248270728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2009/02/08/linglish-or-some-thoughts-on-a-scripting-language-for-the-linux-desktop and http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2009/02/11/more-thoughts-on-linglish looks basically like AppleScript for D-Bus (so, uh, mostly gnome; KDE uses dcop doesn't it?) < 1248270740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it looks EXACTLY like that, not "basically" :P < 1248270839 0 :nooga_!n=nooga@188.33.80.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248270881 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1248270898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, KDE4 uses dbus too < 1248270904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat. < 1248270904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kde 3.x uses dcop < 1248270936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that one of the things that made me fall in love with KDE 3 was that article "KDE Rocks!" or whatever, that I can't find any more; it had a whole section on doing cool shit with dcop. < 1248270943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was wonderful to have such a ubiquitous environment; very much like an object system. < 1248270997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow: http://computer-dating.com/ < 1248271008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright 1995–1997 indeed. < 1248271013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: That's an en dash, that.) < 1248271067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :down at the wiki, the wiki is down < 1248271739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone remember the KDE Rocks article? < 1248271748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just a huge list with screenshots of awesome KDE 3 magic < 1248271758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like kparts k... url things < 1248271759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the like < 1248271762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gray background < 1248271924 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is falling in love with web2py < 1248272011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :web2py is awful < 1248272014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the author is a troll and spammer < 1248272104 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack < 1248272108 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it awful? < 1248272117 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and tells his friends to spam reddit ^^ < 1248272120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas: yuh < 1248272128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the code is incredibly unpythonic and badly written, < 1248272135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the administration interface is cheesy and unhelpful beyond a point, < 1248272139 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ugly code, and massimo does not have a clue on ahything < 1248272144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he constantly spams reddit with articles about django and shit and how his is so much better < 1248272147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while giving veiled praise to django < 1248272149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to elevate his opinions < 1248272157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he teaches a class where he basically indoctrinates the students to love web2py < 1248272163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then gets them to spam reddit all with loving posts about it < 1248272166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and criticism of django < 1248272171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc, etc < 1248272178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible concepts, terrible code, terrible authorr < 1248272180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*author < 1248272184 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had some message from massimo where he was asked whether web2py supports ORMs or something and hias answer was "dunno". < 1248272192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas: lol < 1248272194 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The developer being a bad person ...... wait what? < 1248272201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: apparently you can't read ↑↑↑↑ < 1248272212 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not bad, more clueless < 1248272219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spammer, troll and clueless < 1248272227 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does e not know what an ORM is? < 1248272235 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :web2py < merb < 1248272249 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I got that impression from that mail, yes. < 1248272250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: even if he does, he's continually shown his cluelessness about all such things < 1248272260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the site listed on his university page was made with iWeb :-) < 1248272267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bundled point-and-click, templated site creator w/ OS X) < 1248272275 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: in the meantime, he implemented an "ORM" by himself, so apparently now he knows what it is < 1248272289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas: ugh, i think i remember that one < 1248272299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it basically mangled SQL with UPPERCASE METHOD NAMES and a bunch of crazy conventions < 1248272317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, who could forget "KPAX CMS"? it's social wiki blog chat news groups and has permissions! < 1248272338 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want a framework which I have to unfuck by myself, I'd rather go with web.py < 1248272348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfuck :D < 1248272360 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want a framework thats not fucked up in the first place, I stay away from both < 1248272369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :web.py is better nowadays < 1248272376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i prefer something a little more full-stack. < 1248272387 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened with aaronsw? < 1248272389 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has already spoiled himself on web2py :( < 1248272391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, i may be a minimalist, but that means i don't want to write the redundant glue code < 1248272403 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, how do I reorient my brain towards Django? < 1248272405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you think you're spoiled on it, you must be the starving african child of web framework users < 1248272428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas: aaronsw went on to make some sort of transparent government site and blogs about crap and i think he develpos web.py < 1248272432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ummm not much as far as i know < 1248272432 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and the "enterpriseyness" of web2py with the focus on the admin interface it just ridiculous < 1248272457 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: read the tutorial < 1248272459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enterprise is another word for cheesy < 1248272462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trufax < 1248272467 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: true, that < 1248272480 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java Cheesy Edition < 1248272489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas: isn't that a bit redundant < 1248272529 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, because EE puts a new dimension of bloat on top of the ridiculous problems of java. IMO < 1248272546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thankfully have not used it. < 1248272578 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: or maybe checkout the 4-letters-frameworks with have appeared recently < 1248272583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 letters? < 1248272592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1248272603 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I tried using it, but the complexity to start with put me off < 1248272611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whadya mean by 4 letters < 1248272619 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-133-65.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248272646 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1248272659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1248272660 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://simonwillison.net/2009/May/19/djng/ + juno, newf, mnml, itty < 1248272667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, those ones. < 1248272671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda lame. < 1248272677 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bottle, although that has too many letters. < 1248272689 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least bottle has a sane author. < 1248272699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a minimalist thing isn't really minimal if to use it for its intended purpose you have to do a lot of complicated things < 1248272702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(writing glue code) < 1248272727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bottle.py is a fast and simple mirco-framework for small web-applications." // "mirco"; good first impression < 1248272769 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yep, I already mentioned it to the author, at least he fixed his signature ^^ < 1248272794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway web programming is so boring. < 1248272803 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack < 1248272816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack is such an ambiguous word < 1248272818 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: have some experience with these mini-frameworks? < 1248272820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's either "ack!" or ACK < 1248272825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they mean basically opposites :D < 1248272836 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :web2py has HTML forum creation coupled with the model, I think < 1248272836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas: no, i stopped batting around python frameworks like a year ago < 1248272847 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is worrisome, but convenient < 1248272847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "HTML forum creation"; nice Freudian slip. < 1248272859 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: django has it too, but decoupled < 1248272861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if it embedded whole forum softwares in unrelated models. < 1248272863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Leonidas said. < 1248272895 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: maybe I meant ack-grep and typed into the wrong window ;) < 1248272900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Django has everything web2py does apart from the terrible code, lack of community, stupid write-code-in-a-web-interface, lack of modularity, and lack of nice features < 1248272907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that as, nice addon features) < 1248272913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NOT random crap bolted on to the core) < 1248272975 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write-code-in-a-web-interface is a great idea from Zope until they realized that it sucks badly. < 1248273007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas: "it's a great idea that sucks badly"? :D < 1248273025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good way of making a decision on whether something is pythonic is to see if zope does it < 1248273028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they do, it's unpythonic < 1248273029 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sarcasm does not transmit well over irc < 1248273034 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ehird < 1248273035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas: i guessed it was sarcasm < 1248273037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just funny phrasing < 1248273049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, zope has an object database actually < 1248273050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those are quite nice < 1248273056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my rule doesn't always apply :P < 1248273066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(its OODB has a bloated api though) < 1248273074 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION even uses funny phrases in spoken sentences, so people sometimes go 'WTF?' < 1248273108 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: theres also Durus, though I don't see the point, since ZODB works even without Zope < 1248273120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people pronouncing wtf make me want to stab people >:| < 1248273124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leonidas: Durus has a lot nicer API < 1248273137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Zope crap tends to pull in weird Zope pie-in-the-sky architectural dependencies < 1248273147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Durus' API is a lot nicer < 1248273148 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I really wish I could just switch to an OODB and be done with it < 1248273151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/much nicer, whatever < 1248273165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Durus and ZODB don't handle things like search and stuff really though < 1248273169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean not very well < 1248273175 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1248273185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i hope i never use an SQL database much, though... < 1248273187 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like web2py's ORM to some extent: db(Article.id>3 and Article.name==test).select() < 1248273187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate those things < 1248273204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Django does that but without the horrible abuse of syntax and comparison operators. < 1248273222 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..the syntax is what I like about it < 1248273224 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could implement my own OODB using pickles, but that would have every problem that ZODB has < 1248273236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Your liking is wrong. < 1248273240 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: SQLAlchemy has a similar syntax < 1248273248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's unpythonic, it breaks expectations, and it's not needed. < 1248273254 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I really wonder how the queries work < 1248273258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't want it, you just think you do. :) < 1248273272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I know why it's appealing; I wanted to make an ORM that did it once.) < 1248273274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Turns out it sucks.) < 1248273624 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1248273649 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-120-70.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248273817 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1248274163 0 :nooga!n=nooga@188.33.80.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248274175 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248274273 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248274292 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, why can't I do kernel upgrades without reboots :P < 1248274335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: ksplice bitchnizzle < 1248274340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ksplice.com/ ! < 1248274366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says it's just for Ubuntu, but it's a .deb, so. < 1248274378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ksplice.com/uptrack/manualinstall < 1248274385 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guuuh ... this will let you change your KERNEL without reboot??? < 1248274387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Ksplice Uptrack support Kubuntu, Ubuntu Netbook Remix, and other Ubuntu variants or remixes? < 1248274388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. All of these variants are built on the same core, including the same Linux kernel packages. Note that the automatic installer does not work well in KDE and some other desktop environments, so you may need to follow the manual installation instructions. Once installed, the graphical Ksplice Uptrack manager will work in all desktop environments. < 1248274392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yes. < 1248274395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes they need a patch, so you might be delayed by like a week. < 1248274396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes. < 1248274400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to restart X, even. < 1248274407 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1248274418 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judging by the website, I'm betting it's proprietary. < 1248274421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, they don't mention Debian, so YMMV, but you have backups, right? < 1248274430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Ksplice 0.9.8 utilities are available as an x86-32 binary distribution tarball, as an x86-64 binary distribution tarball, as a source code tarball, and in a Git repository. Old releases and GPG signatures are also available. < 1248274433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Orally? < 1248274435 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, wrong. < 1248274441 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wowzers. < 1248274455 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh really" -> "ORLY" -> "Orally" = hilarious < 1248274462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1248274475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ksplice.com/example-update ;; Real kernel hackers develop in-place < 1248274486 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"requested" < 1248274493 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahah, bye lamdabot < 1248274494 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOREVER < 1248274495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1248274501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding dong, the lambdabot is dead. < 1248274506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ksplice-undo — Undo a Ksplice update that has been applied to the running kernel" < 1248274510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh shit, my kernel's broken!" < 1248274514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I know, I'll just undo i— wait." < 1248274520 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248274524 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not TOO broken. < 1248274553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the homepage: "Experts agree that patching promptly is the most important practice for keeping systems secure." < 1248274554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No shit! < 1248274704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that if GregorR installs it, either it'll work perfectly by using the debian repositories, or by sheer luck of compatibility, or he'll have to remove it from a livecd. < 1248274716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, WHO WANTS TO REBOOT < 1248274717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVER < 1248274754 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rebooting is pretty lame. < 1248274827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many people would call me insane for thinking that some Gnome software could and should be made even simpler. < 1248274866 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So long as you keep "some" in there, fine. < 1248274872 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just continue not to use it :P < 1248274936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unopinionated software sucked. < 1248274938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sucks < 1248274949 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed! < 1248274958 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fortune -o < 1248274958 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only one of your children who does not grow up and move away \ is your husband. < 1248274967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. That's not what I meant. :P < 1248274988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: that's some incest. < 1248274994 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fortune -o < 1248274995 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not a crook. \ -- Richard Nixon < 1248275001 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1248275002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that's… so offensive? < 1248275011 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fortune < 1248275011 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One man's brain plus one other will produce one half as many ideas as one \ man would have produced alone. These two plus two more will produce half \ again as many ideas. These four plus four more begin to represent a \ creative meeting, and the ratio changes to one quarter as many ... \ -- Anthony Chevins < 1248275013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I'm outraged. < 1248275017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fortune --help < 1248275018 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1248275020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gr. < 1248275022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`man fortune < 1248275023 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1248275027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU HACKEGO < 1248275033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Can you put apt in the environment kthx < 1248275048 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha, I should just give it a full chroot :P < 1248275058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do :P < 1248275060 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, apt wouldn't work under plash I suspect. < 1248275064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worth a try. < 1248275066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a few lines, aye? < 1248275849 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248275875 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-124-136.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248276398 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Famous_apes // I think I should add a "It has been suggested that Category:Famous_people be merged into this article" box to this. < 1248276418 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teehee < 1248277077 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to come up with some project to make so he can practice using Django < 1248277095 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horrible idea: PSOX on the web < 1248277113 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean ... sweet idea? < 1248277275 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1248277411 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would have a built-in Brainfuck interpreter, integrated with PSOX. People can submit brainfuck code and have it be run on the server < 1248277424 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, Brainfuck/PSOX code < 1248277698 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248279021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: write an Oracle game < 1248279034 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There already is one < 1248279068 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean something else? < 1248279076 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.oraclebot.com/ exists >.> < 1248279081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1248279085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write one anyway. < 1248279098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use all the fancy Django authentication and stuff, of course. < 1248279111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generic views too. < 1248279117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that's not exactly trivial. < 1248279123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: to start off, follow the tutorial < 1248279133 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've worked on a Django project before < 1248279138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tutorial. < 1248279139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Follow it. < 1248279146 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used authentication, but not generic views < 1248279152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tutfolit. < 1248279163 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read the tutorial before < 1248279173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read it again to remind your fresh. < 1248279177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Refresh your mind, rather. < 1248279212 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reading a tutorial about AJAX and Django < 1248279232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I wonder why you ask things when you don't want an answer different to yours. < 1248279313 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248279484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chairs are the wrong shape. < 1248279486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're < 1248279488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|_ < 1248279490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should be < 1248279493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1248279495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1248279500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except not that slanted < 1248279804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure what that second shape means < 1248279819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll draw it < 1248279834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i have seen chairs where you put your feet backwards < 1248279883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend had one, supposedly better for the back < 1248279911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the seat was slanted forward too < 1248279924 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1248279929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1248279943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um? I think you could turn this chair into either shape. It is one of those office chairs with too many levers. < 1248279974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you mean it was set so it could tilt freely backwards/forwards? < 1248279989 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall how adjustable it was < 1248280009 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you could have the legs forwards < 1248280025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my chair has a lever to control free tilt/locket to position < 1248280028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/uuxZz.png ← this but with less fucked up proportions; jsut the basic idea < 1248280032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also another grip at the top to hold you in < 1248280035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you clamp them on) < 1248280039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so, y'know, you don't fall out) < 1248280042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's the basic idea < 1248280056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, obviously the top bit would bend back a bit more and the bottom wouldn't be as slanty blah blah < 1248280059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you have *really* short legs? < 1248280060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you get the idea < 1248280065 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248280067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a fuckin' stick figure < 1248280068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248280076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, self portrait :P < 1248280083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy at the left has a reaaaaaaaaaaally long spine < 1248280083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not life-like of course < 1248280084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1248280086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the right < 1248280088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neck? < 1248280096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not spine right < 1248280097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1248280098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1248280104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1248280107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that was his neck < 1248280109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then his arms < 1248280117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1248280118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1248280120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up < 1248280122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a stick figure < 1248280123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get the idea < 1248280124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, his *arms* are down there < 1248280125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248280134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes but most of them are aligned with the spine < 1248280137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|-- shape < 1248280139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anway I can't go fully vertical in this chair, but quite close < 1248280155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: does it have clamp things to hold you in? < 1248280173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, close = about 30 degrees forward < 1248280177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see what I mean < 1248280186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really but it doesn't matter :) < 1248280219 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-163-095.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1248280809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://browsertoolkit.com/fault-tolerance.png < 1248281024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In concert with users online across the country, this session will lead a flashmob to populate Stack Overflow with R language content." < 1248281033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I forgot R was a programming language for a second. < 1248281048 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1248281189 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the future, will http://djangogigs.com be a good way to look for a job? < 1248281207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look in my crystal ball. < 1248281222 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, would it be considered a good way now? < 1248281234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are we supposed to know? Ask in #django < 1248281267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Y programming language is a small C-like programming language that is commonly used for peephole optimizers. // I read this as "pedophile optimizers" < 1248281294 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need more programming languages like that. < 1248281310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Ssh. Dateline are watching. < 1248281321 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh nose! < 1248281321 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1248281353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope they didn't **CHRIS HANSEN'S DISEMBODIED VOICE — Have a seat right there.** notice. < 1248281355 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you keep having these nose problems. < 1248281364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he's got no nose < 1248281367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's longing for it < 1248281368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, nose!" < 1248281380 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1248281409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka nose-talgy < 1248281448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1248281470 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A nose, a nose, my kingdom for a nose. < 1248281508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GregorR-L actually still has his nose. His parents did that trick with the thumb to him as a kid and he's never looked in a mirror since out of shame.) < 1248281524 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1248281533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your nose is not a '. < 1248281535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more a -. < 1248281537 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a tear < 1248281552 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O( < 1248281552 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::.( < 1248281565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aprophetic monotony nonexistent moo. < 1248281617 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nose go moo? < 1248281618 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you were using this for any decorative purpose (at least one package was, it turns out)" < 1248281620 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1248281627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1248281645 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/BackwardsIncompatibleChanges#Templatetagloadingrespectsdottednotation < 1248281654 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the nose was a cow-ard < 1248281655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a formidable URL. < 1248281665 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense < 1248281672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: but lol < 1248281685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really.pretty.name.module → module.py? < 1248281696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's retarded, but relying on it for decoration is even more so < 1248281700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/relying/using/ < 1248281719 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB < 1248282367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah. < 1248282374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cvs can look like small-caps CVS. < 1248282382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(works best in Helvetica) < 1248282479 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. < 1248282485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, right? < 1248282500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone said it on a slashdot comment thread and I wondered why it was smallcaps... but then it looked small... < 1248282508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then my eyes refocused and whoa, that's actually just lowercase. < 1248282510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it = "cvs") < 1248282574 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answering machine messages should not be 50 seconds long < 1248282582 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cosvwxz < 1248282591 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should be at least twenty-eight minutes long. < 1248282595 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with a warning at the beginning. < 1248282608 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you really want to leave me a message, you're going to have to listen to this sex tape I made." < 1248282631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answering machines should actually start recording as soon as you dial, but play a shocking, stupid and long message beforehand. < 1248282655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So all your messages go "... *drums fingers* ... *sigh* ... *gasp* ... beeeeeeep ... Uh, um ... Uh, hello, I was calling to see if" < 1248282701 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're a person who rejects calls too often, you should put shocking secrets in your voicemail greeting to discourage yourself :P < 1248282720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1248282744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: How about a voicemail greeting that simulates more and more inappropriate conversation? < 1248282768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hi ... How've you been? ... Oh, that's good ... (lots of time passes)" < 1248282773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I put on my robe and wizard hat." < 1248282776 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1248283143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where is that quote from? < 1248283154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...... your mom. < 1248283162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :touché < 1248283164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, do you mean "I put on my robe and wizard hat."? < 1248283168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed < 1248283177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye olde internet meme. < 1248283179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a source: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/bloodninja < 1248283187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyberfail? < 1248283188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1248283293 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never realized how often he killed his cyberpartner X-D < 1248283323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://people.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/funny/bloodcyber.html appears to have many more. < 1248283325 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are other examples out there, although probably any example of silly cybering gets the name replaced with "bloodninja" nowadays) < 1248283345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same linguistic mannerisms so probably the same guy) < 1248283353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume the albinoblacksheep one truncated it to the best) < 1248283472 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MommyMelissa: What the f**k is this madlibs? I'm outta here. // lol < 1248284341 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1248284416 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloodninja is Doing It Wrong < 1248284421 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oh well < 1248284449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience: I think that is the point. < 1248284458 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i mean he's baiting wrong :P < 1248284478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience: Past tense. Bloodninja was like early 2000. < 1248284482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*2000s. < 1248284485 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1248284513 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://myndzi.seckzi.com/patty <- site i rescued from internet demise < 1248284514 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248284537 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the original URL? < 1248284547 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta let them come to you then reel em in, like fishing! < 1248284560 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pattythebaiter.com < 1248284569 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was also some personal homepage thing on an isp ural < 1248284570 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :url* < 1248284576 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are gone now i believe, and archive.org is spotty < 1248284580 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i managed to piece everything together < 1248284590 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be missing a couple of the newest ones that were there < 1248284606 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I was going to go check archive.org :P < 1248284659 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, the domain name is unowned! < 1248284661 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should buy it! < 1248284665 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://deardanno.tripod.com/ old site < 1248284679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goatse.ca/ old site < 1248284689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm it's squatted now < 1248284700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've been away for awhile, but Danno will be back with all new columns in May of 2001!" < 1248284768 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone wrote in the guestbook in 2007 < 1248284960 0 :graue!n=graue@ip70-179-94-234.dc.dc.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248284985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, it's a graue. < 1248284998 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, anyone know if there are still people archiving backups of the esolangs.org wiki? < 1248285002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're likely to be eataen. < 1248285004 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i messed it up and the latest backup doesn't work < 1248285011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: uh oh < 1248285012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe ais523 < 1248285015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the type to do that < 1248285018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523@bham.ac.uk < 1248285033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: when's the previous backup? < 1248285038 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last night < 1248285047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that one work? :-P < 1248285064 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's what i mean, it doesn't work < 1248285069 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my server only keeps one backup < 1248285070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus "previous backup" < 1248285071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248285088 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha, better hope ais saves the day :P < 1248285093 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've considered keeping backups, but then I didn't. < 1248285106 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, hi you two < 1248285109 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long time no chat < 1248285112 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1248285113 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what way does the backup not work? < 1248285119 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mainly because I could never figure out where to download them...) < 1248285125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: The cynic inside me says that a backup from years ago would be no less valuable than the current one. ;-) < 1248285128 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uh, is still lacking the mw_objectcache table, which was crashed < 1248285130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of rubbish langs out there. < 1248285133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: "cache" eh < 1248285137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you could rebuild it < 1248285152 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the past, i've fixed the mw_objectcache problem by truncating the table, and then it would work and rebuild the cache i guess < 1248285161 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this time i dropped it instead of truncating it < 1248285166 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what the structure is supposed to be < 1248285170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1248285175 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask in a MediaWiki channel? < 1248285177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: grep -r 'objectcache' wiki/ < 1248285179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1248285179 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`google "create table mw_objectcache" < 1248285180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*w/ < 1248285180 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 数据`mw_math` -- -- -------------------------------------------------------- -- -- 表的结构`mw_objectcache` -- CREATE TABLE `mw_objectcache` ( `keyname` ... \ www.waibao51.com/ty.sql - [18]Cached - [19]Similar < 1248285184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1248285186 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm betting something like that. < 1248285196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's a full db dumb of some iwki < 1248285198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki < 1248285205 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the table structure will probably be right. < 1248285216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1248285219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generated 2009 so probably recent < 1248285231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: oh! also < 1248285251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: could you disable the spam-checker thing that stops loads? we couldn't even delete some spam because it was detecting our referer or something < 1248285257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 had to disable referers to get to the delete page < 1248285263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was impossible to save any edits < 1248285267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has it actually got rid of any spam? < 1248285298 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it seemed like a good idea at the time < 1248285307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1248285321 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaay the wiki is fixed, you guys are smart < 1248285333 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION flexes his ... brain? < 1248285340 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric : Heros of the 2009 Esolang Wiki Crash < 1248285351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At this point, GregorR-L, having self-lobotomised, becomes stupid.) < 1248285361 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAR DAR DAR < 1248285363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Tragedy of the 2009 Esolang Wiki Crash < 1248285365 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the "spam-checker thing that stops loads"? < 1248285367 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAR DARRRRR < 1248285377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: like, you can't put
in a page or something < 1248285377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "viagra" < 1248285382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it checks referers and blocks pages I think? < 1248285385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe mod_security, it does things like that < 1248285403 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the referer checking is a mod_security thing done by my web host, i remember fighting with it way back. i'm not sure if i can override it or not < 1248285406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it just has a ton of false positives in my experience < 1248285412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: ahh. perhaps in .htaccess < 1248285417 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did the blocking of for legit formatting or something but like, a lot of spam was doing that, so < 1248285598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we could just disable referers again < 1248285607 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show me a page with viagra in the title < 1248285611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: eh, < 1248285619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: sure thing — < 1248285626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh, where was it < 1248285631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: user called User:Viagra_free_something.com or the like < 1248285637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was there for days before we figured out it was referers < 1248285652 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248285715 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, incidentally, how does one download backups of the wiki? :P < 1248285725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telepathy! < 1248285742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also anthropomorphization. < 1248285748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to make the server into a person then steal its thoughts. < 1248285759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Wiki_preservation < 1248285762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the front page, yo < 1248285798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue: BTW, http://esolangs.org/wiki/ redirects to the voxelperfect url but other esolangs.org wiki addresses don't < 1248285801 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, it lists a link hosted on my computer which has not existed for years < 1248285808 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's just a quirk of apache < 1248285809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : latest.sql.bz2 21-Jul-2009 15:25 < 1248285809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://calamari.reverse-dns.net:980/esowiki/ < 1248285818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ Hooray if it hadn't worked? < 1248285825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that backup a dud too < 1248285849 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like he too is only keeping one < 1248285873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://calamari.reverse-dns.net:980/esowiki/mirror.png < 1248285876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great artistic talent there < 1248285897 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :highly < 1248285898 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1248285916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how mirrorness is represented by blurriness and redness < 1248285921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all know that's what mirrors do to their images < 1248285923 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When life gives you lemons ... make oranges? < 1248285933 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :limes, you mean. when life gives you limes < 1248285935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strangest oranges I've ever seen. Also, they're LIME. < 1248285943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hi5 graue *pedant buddies* < 1248285945 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When life gives you limes ... make grapefruit? < 1248285970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When life gives you limes, sell them for a profit. < 1248286100 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, time to crawl back into my hole < 1248286115 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be in touch if anything else gets messed up, or just to say hi < 1248286116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, poor graue. I knew him … not so well. < 1248286120 0 :graue!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1248286129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if he knows he hasn't actually given us a way to be in touch. < 1248286137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, we could check his website, I guess. :P) < 1248286271 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'm now backing up nightly into an hg repo. < 1248286292 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if such a situation arises again, I will not only have the latest, but a non-screwed up history :P < 1248286293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are a true pygmy. < 1248286396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.8K // this file has .2 of a byte. < 1248286530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: This channel's logs total 68MB. < 1248286599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I present to you a bar chart of this channel's activity over time: ▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▂▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▂▂▁▃▂▂▁▂▄▂▂▂▃▃▄▃▄▅▅▆▄▄▄▆█▆ < 1248286619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The twitter version: < 1248286620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▁▁▂▁▁▃▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▃▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▂▃▂▁▂▂▂▃▂▁▁▂▂▃▃▅▃▃▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▄▃▃▃▂▅▄▄▄▂▂▄▅▄▅▅▅▅▄▅▆▆▄▄▃▃▅▅▃▄▅▆▆▇█▆ < 1248286626 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahah, sweet. < 1248286636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that earlier this year, but I had the logs locally. < 1248286637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time? < 1248286641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% w3m -dump http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ | awk '{print $6}' | tail -n +22 | perl -ne 's/K/* 1024/; print int(eval($_) + .5), "\n"' | squish 140 | sparkline < 1248286653 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sparkline"? 8-D < 1248286661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuhuh. < 1248286666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ASCII homage to Tufte. < 1248286679 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can has? < 1248286683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"squish" just "Compresses M values into N values." < 1248286689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Sure. You can have both, because I'm so kind. < 1248286693 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not quite "ASCII" though. < 1248286694 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg < 1248286699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Shushest, thou. < 1248286706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wait. < 1248286712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My count is off. < 1248286716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has the last line; "80 < 1248286717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1248286719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Port 80) < 1248286729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION head -n -1 (I think) < 1248286757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▂▂▂▃▃▂▄▄▆▆▅▇█ < 1248286758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more like it. < 1248286763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▂▂▁▁▂▁▁▁▂▁▁▃▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▃▁▁▁▂▁▁▁▂▃▂▁▂▂▂▃▂▁▁▂▂▃▃▅▃▃▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▄▃▃▃▂▅▄▄▄▂▂▄▅▄▅▅▅▅▄▅▆▆▄▄▃▃▅▅▃▄▅▆▆▇█▆ < 1248286765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still a little dip. < 1248286773 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we need to fix that! < 1248286784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLA BLA BLA < 1248286795 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forsooth, hereth I place mine words! < 1248286799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Two programs IN ONE PASTE: http://pastie.org/private/yq6r572x0ba5yykdprhq < 1248286819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that the algorithm (if it can be called that) and chars for sparkline come from somebody's Ubiquity command somewhere. < 1248286824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mine's more unix. < 1248286830 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Python 3000 is written in Ruby" --Guido* *May not be an exact quote < 1248286830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it does both arguments and stdin! < 1248286833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squish is the same! < 1248286837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Uhh, what? < 1248286852 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yU9FjrR2Ig < 1248286853 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The exact quote is "Python 3000 is written in Python" :P < 1248286858 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(J/K) < 1248286867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm not watching that < 1248286872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I might < 1248286908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that "joke" isn't even given context < 1248286909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or source < 1248286925 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1248286965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://picoup.com/-sized chart: < 1248286967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▁▁▁▁▁▂▁▁▂▂▂▃▂▄▅▆▅▇ < 1248286990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your message is too long. remember, only 18 characters and 1 user reference. < 1248286991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1248286997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's counting 8-bit i think < 1248287000 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty awesome. < 1248287040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I list the ubiquity script in the source < 1248287041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Based on http://gist.github.com/46562" < 1248287059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rather more verbose < 1248287157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why Smalltalk has dots < 1248287160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can use newlines instead < 1248287165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess that was too fuzzy for them < 1248287221 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's supposed to be vaguely like English, and that's how you end a sentence; < 1248287262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: True. < 1248287276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm playing around with ideas for an Objective-C based Smalltalk because F-Script is kind of lame) < 1248287310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Objective-C is probably the sanest implementation language. < 1248287325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the point is using the environment < 1248287326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So little work involved in getting the object model working. < 1248287327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same object model etc < 1248287352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basic thought process: Objective-C's cool, but most of the time you don't need the C parts, so why not just expand the brackets to cover the entire program? < 1248287357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah; my point is that Objective-C's objects are a lot like Smalltalk's, so you don't need to fight the system. < 1248287362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1248287362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1248287371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh. < 1248287376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F-Script already exists but, as I said, is sorta lame. < 1248287382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why, it just doesn't sit well with me. < 1248287388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm being unfair on it. < 1248287394 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to think, I'm just thinking of some nice Tcl code generation for C. < 1248287401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone actually writes apps in F-Script, though. < 1248287430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the nicest parts of objective-c is its way of doing addon methods < 1248287439 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1503345 < 1248287441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it's like [obj myAddonMethod] is basically myAddonMethod_objsClass(obj) < 1248287448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if you can access instance vars < 1248287451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1248287457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it lets you just give a nicer name to helper stuff < 1248287474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Drop the exclamation marks. Seriously. < 1248287483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use [...]. < 1248287507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, you realise almost all of that can be done as regular functions, right? < 1248287523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or macros. < 1248287548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, < 1248287550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-signal "destroy" {gtk_main_quit();}!; < 1248287553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : g_signal_connect (window, "destroy", < 1248287553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : G_CALLBACK (gtk_main_quit), NULL); < 1248287560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope you got an optimizer for that, cuz that's not gonna scale as-is < 1248287567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to non-function-calls) < 1248287568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1248287571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that won't even work < 1248287575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll do gtk_main_quit(NULL); < 1248287656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Use [...]. But I don't want to have to actually parse C for this! < 1248287658 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's possible to make a language where indentation-based block control can be optional < 1248287683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you already have to < 1248287683 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivial. < 1248287684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"!foo!" < 1248287690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: haskell < 1248287703 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... really? < 1248287716 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, no. I just have to watch for \!. < 1248287719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, coppro. < 1248287722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ewwww < 1248287726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate it already < 1248287736 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember exactly why, but I recall haskell not being exactly what I wanted < 1248287736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are a boilerplate lover. < 1248287769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, I just think most of it can be done by functions and macros and your syntax sucks < 1248287798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just Tcl scripts that evaluate to a string that gets inserted in. Wheee. < 1248287811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok just ignore me then < 1248287818 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Actually, [...] might be a better syntax. < 1248287858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since in Tcl, [...] evaluates ... and inserts the resulting string in. < 1248287867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1248287896 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just need to do something to prevent it from evaluating array notation. < 1248287903 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248287916 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248287975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABUDA < 1248287997 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that should totally be -signal "destroy" gtk_main_quit. < 1248288012 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1248288119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wants to use C, anyway? < 1248288298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol@someone on reddit claiming that stopping breathing is death even if you're resuscitated < 1248288305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/93e4e/help_my_cat_is_sick_and_i_dont_know_what_to_do_im/c0bae9h < 1248288334 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I know of no reasonable person who states that you die upon ceasing to breath. < 1248288366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1248288371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: *breathe < 1248288454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. Yeah. < 1248288881 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-163-095.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1248289089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: [[He had no heart beat or respiration for about a minute. He was, as the doctors say, dead. They resuscitated him with a defibrillator and he lived...]] < 1248289093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone want to tell him what death is? < 1248289099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think he quite understands the concept. < 1248289323 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clinical death != death. < 1248289357 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That being said, if he's revivable, that's a pretty sucky doctor who says "yeah, this guy's dead lol" < 1248289376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Guy = cat :-P < 1248289389 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/doctor/vet/ < 1248289414 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/vet/unicorn/ < 1248289465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/unicorn/strong, friendly AI/ < 1248289471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1248289475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The unicorn is upgrading its brain. < 1248289476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The vet is helping. < 1248290332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rick Rocket has just saved the universe! Unfortunately, the massive destruction he left in his wake has caused a temporal anomaly that has reversed the flow of time. The player must assume control of Rick’s spacecraft and fight through the epic space battle... in reverse! Retro/Grade is an innovative game that fuses the white knuckle thrills and over the top visuals of a shooter with the broad appeal of a rhythm game. Players are forced to dodge enemy < 1248290334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : projectiles while positioning the ship to be in the correct place to fire their lasers when their shots come back to them. For more information, check out our FAQ." < 1248290337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.retrogradegame.com/ < 1248290383 0 :GregorR-L_!n=gregor@pal-178-133.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1248290457 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-105-175.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1248290472 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to see a quine in COBOL < 1248290479 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1248290493 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tmdg.co.uk/programing/quine.cbl.php < 1248290509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT IN UPPERCASE < 1248290513 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?QuineProgramInCobol then < 1248290519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK YOU < 1248290550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: from that guy's site: < 1248290551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My pet hate is the constant argument in alt.cobol about whether C or COBOL is the best language. I am open minded about this. I have written a few polygot programs that will compile both via the GNU C compiler and Micro Focus COBOL compilers." < 1248290554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A man of compromise! < 1248290558 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1248290586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tmdg.co.uk/programing/quine.shell.php < 1248290592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a verbose way to write "cat $0" < 1248290609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh < 1248290611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat $0 < 1248290613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248290628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I've got a much nicer quine. < 1248290630 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/cat < 1248290630 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not Bourne shell compatible < 1248290639 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Uses $() < 1248290651 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that looks horribly unbalanced < 1248290657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1248290658 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/)/))/ < 1248290659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed. < 1248290660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh < 1248290660 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh < 1248290661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit < 1248290667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the whole WORLD is a syntax erro < 1248290667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1248290671 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/)$// < 1248290672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1248290674 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed < 1248290679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you can't change my lines! < 1248290683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just made yours unbalanced again < 1248290684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248290686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus making mine balance it out < 1248290687 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1248290687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1248290689 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1248290690 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1248290691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he < 1248290693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hee < 1248290705 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't matter which line got modified either time < 1248290705 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1248290724 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, if graue was still here we'd have a fistful o' Gr's. < 1248290748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But unfortunately not dollars. < 1248290767 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And super-unfortunately not pounds or euros. < 1248290788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But fortunately not ZW$s. < 1248290793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Prounounced "Zimbabwe bucks") < 1248291186 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248291360 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR-L < 1248291369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: GregorR-L: [[No, the VET who freakin TOLD me the CAT had DIED, did not attempt to issue a death certificate or officially call the time of death, but, then...he's a CAT and the LEGAL definition of death as it relates to humans DOES NOT REALLY MATTER in the casual conversational sense that I used it in...I'll use quotes next time and give you the vets number so you can argue medical semantics with HIM.]] < 1248291396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translation: "And if he says my kitty has DIED when he doesn't BREATHE for a few seconds after a BAD COUGH, then THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE IT'S CASUAL CONVERSATION FUCK YOU AND ALL YOU STAND FORRRRRRRRRR" < 1248291715 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Dumbness. < 1248292133 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who spells webmaster as "webmastr"? < 1248292140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A typoer. < 1248292144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typoist. < 1248292169 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's spelled that way in both the image containing the email address and the mailto link < 1248292178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person is an idiot. < 1248292209 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, come to think of it, is a bit strange, using an image when spammers can get the address from the mailto link anyway < 1248292221 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, btw, this is on the website for a college < 1248292230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idiot. < 1248292237 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 8 chars < 1248292243 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idiot College of Mississippi < 1248292246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: No, seriously, no. < 1248292248 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :May be a limitation/arbitrary choice < 1248292253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're not using 8.3 files to store usernames. < 1248292254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO. < 1248292261 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have to be that < 1248292278 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be DECLARE @username AS VARCHAR(8) < 1248292281 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever < 1248292285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1248292294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody's that idiotic … apart from the guy who'd spell it "webmastr". < 1248292300 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't strictly speaking that stupid < 1248292301 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's another email address that is more then 8 characters < 1248292307 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they're all internal usernames < 1248292314 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You won't need more than 8 chars < 1248292315 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orientation@ < 1248292323 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then it's just silly < 1248292327 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well :-P < 1248292337 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the point of the image? < 1248292357 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, besides being nicely inaccessible < 1248292358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiocy < 1248292374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, they might pronounce the URL :-P < 1248292376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably do < 1248292380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1248292413 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1248292417 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The image also contains the address of the college, and the phone number < 1248292424 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much for blind students < 1248292441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to this college? < 1248292442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't. < 1248292444 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I am < 1248292450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, don't. :P < 1248292475 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-163-095.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1248292510 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes being the best student in computer programming/information systems >.> < 1248292527 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am planning on transfering out at some point < 1248292534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: But that implies a high probability of being better than your processor :-P < 1248292535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248292536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :professor. < 1248292573 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, unfortunately, is not. < 1248292583 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, they could be using AT&T Unix SysV R4 on their email servers. < 1248293365 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I finally got the email from the college that I was supposed to receive, and was incessintly trying to call them about < 1248294003 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1248294076 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failcaptcha: < 1248294080 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faxzero.com < 1248294113 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, it's a little bit better than no CAPCHA maybe? < 1248294168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best captcha is
(Spam trap; leave blank)
< 1248294171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and check it's empty < 1248294178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works every time < 1248294185 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, unless that starts catching on < 1248294204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's been researched; spambots only look at foo@bar.com email addresses < 1248294208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's enough < 1248294209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1248294214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1248294219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i doubt that's likely < 1248294228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: and some forms require email < 1248294229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't tell < 1248294236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll just go back to the ol' "get people to fill it in manually" < 1248294240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is more or less impossible to stop < 1248294246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... this is the best way < 1248294274 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine that faxzero in particular might be targetted < 1248294284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1248294285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it < 1248294291 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it can't just rely on a captcha that only works because no one's targetting it < 1248294298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh dude < 1248294302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what all captchas rely on < 1248294304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o dpm < 1248294307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i don'th < 1248294308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*don't < 1248294312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think there's an existing captcha < 1248294313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is both < 1248294318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) doable by humans < 1248294323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) has been given effort and yet < 1248294326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c) has not been broken < 1248294399 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So recaptcha hasn't been given enough effort yet? Seems like it would be the best thing for spammers to target, imo < 1248294422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) people may be working on it (b) you don't know if it's been broken < 1248294453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nowadays they pay indian guys to fill out captchas all day long < 1248294454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google t < 1248294454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it < 1248294457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing can stop that < 1248294542 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye for now all < 1248294701 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`google pay indian guys to fill out capchas all day long < 1248294702 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot that I can't make out at all. The other day I tried an ..... Once you've got a few characters you can then reference a dictionary to fill in the ones you can't recognise. ..... The bottom line is, as long as people are willing to pay, ..... So that is where the cheap hired Indian labor comes in. ... < 1248294740 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1248294898 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bothole.appspot.com/ is interesting < 1248294908 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Takes too much thought though :P < 1248294911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:31 GregorR-L: `google pay indian guys to fill out capchas all day long < 1248294911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:31 HackEgo: There are a lot that I can't make out at all. The other day I tried an ..... Once you've got a few characters you can then reference a dictionary to fill in the ones you can't recognise. ..... The bottom line is, as long as people are willing to pay, ..... So that is where the cheap hired Indian labor comes in. ... < 1248294915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't look like, uh < 1248294918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google results. < 1248294948 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The result text was too long so the URL didn't show :( < 1248294990 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had two failed attempts in getting one, wtf. < 1248295086 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41%2B3Uu8q-HL._AA280_.jpg <-- it just gave me this image. One word: "wtf?" < 1248295120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha what < 1248295125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: did you put in "wtf" < 1248295134 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It did not accept that response :P < 1248295136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/315nB%2B1gFsL._SL500_AA280_.jpg ← um… < 1248295148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pogo stick" put me on to a new one < 1248295151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess that's godo or something < 1248295158 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"phallic" < 1248295169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5157B9GSPWL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.jpg ← apparently this isn't "poverty" < 1248295180 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha < 1248295187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.cafepress.com/product/183032245_240x240_Front.jpg ← not a proud marine mom < 1248295203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.cafepress.com/product/33891001_240x240_Front.jpg ← methinks it repeats too much < 1248295214 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I'm on a roll! < 1248295296 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "bothole" just sounds so wrong :P < 1248295309 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the S combinator again?? < 1248295315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: google it < 1248295322 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sxyz = xz(yz)? < 1248295330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248295335 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1248295337 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1248295346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: http://images.cafepress.com/product/90311100_240x240_Front.jpg ← tshirt... briefs... thing... evil mutant chimera item of clothing < 1248295349 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that operator plays a hugely important part in natural language syntax < 1248295360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< It didn't accept "sock" for a sock < 1248295362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: :-D < 1248295388 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are constructions like "file without reading", as in "the article which I filed without reading" < 1248295402 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in order to explain that construction, you need something equivalent to S < 1248295432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1248295441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: s/file/filed/ yes < 1248295442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1248295455 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tense in these cases is irrelevant < 1248295461 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the important part is the syntactic types < 1248295498 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :file : NP -> VP; reading : NP -> VP; without : VP -> VP -> VP < 1248295511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: those types seem ... simplistic < 1248295517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what do NP and VP stand for < 1248295524 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noun phrase, verb phrase < 1248295542 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without reading : NP -> VP -> VP, by function composition: reading.without < 1248295565 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er.. without.reading < 1248295566 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x3 < 1248295578 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: S is also liftM2 id. ... For all the monads, not just functions. >:D < 1248295580 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then to get file to join with without.reading < 1248295583 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need < 1248295592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: reading returns a verb? < 1248295594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess so < 1248295598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading NOUN < 1248295602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just tense stuff < 1248295603 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, reading returns a verb phrase < 1248295608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuh < 1248295610 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading itself is a verb < 1248295619 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then to get file-without-reading < 1248295639 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to S together file, and reading < 1248295643 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248295646 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :file, and without.reading < 1248295664 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S(file)(without.reading) : NP -> VP < 1248295669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: so linguistics is point free then :P < 1248295681 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to an extent < 1248295713 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :file-without-reading is NP->VP, and we can combine that with a bunch of other stuff to get which-i-will-file-without-reading : N\N < 1248295717 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er.. N -> N < 1248295724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there like a branch of linguistics handling how to parse horribly broken language :P < 1248295729 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then apply that to "articles" to get N < 1248295736 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no. < 1248295743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well tha's silly. < 1248295760 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam subject line: "Pump in your lady stronger obstructionist retailer" < 1248295772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spamusement! < 1248295785 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put in the suggestion bin :P < 1248295790 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nobody listens to my suggestions :( < 1248295799 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't drawn one in a while ... this one is too wtf for me to draw anyway. < 1248295802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Note that the last Spamusement comic is from June 2007. < 1248295808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the one before that October 2006. < 1248295817 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Go to the forums and be enlightened. < 1248295824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1248295826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there like < 1248295827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moar < 1248295838 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you might want to read this book on CCG < 1248295840 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like < 1248295842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like by other people or whatever < 1248295844 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKI for language. < 1248295846 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not by the original author, no, but there are a lot of ultra-hilarious others. < 1248295852 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more Birds for language < 1248295852 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1248295869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: I knew of Spamusement and Steven Frank-as-mac-developer independently but did not correlate. < 1248295872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEXT TIME ON FUN FACTS: < 1248295874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a Walrus. < 1248295878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUN DUN DUN JINGLE < 1248295887 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kookoo kachoo kakookoo ka choooooo < 1248295898 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love that song < 1248295904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Goo goo g'joob. < 1248295910 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut your face < 1248295911 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1248295925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goo goo blow job. < 1248296068 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk making pizza dough :o < 1248296086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making pizza; D'oh. < 1248296630 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1248297642 0 :augur_!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248297642 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248297900 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248297910 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248298624 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys < 1248298627 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hypothesis < 1248298651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1248298674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an implementation of hq9+ in Haskell, because I was really freaking bored. < 1248298684 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fundamental laws of the universe are the way they are because they are possible within a system that has no notion of "simultaneous" < 1248298753 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only time-related notions that we /know/ the universe has is causal connections < 1248298772 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if one event caused another event, then the causing event preceded the caused event < 1248298785 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if two events are mutually causally exclusive, they have no time ordering < 1248298795 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither happened before or after or at the same time as the other < 1248298811 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep < 1248298821 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my conjecture is that the universe is built around trying to work within this system < 1248298863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :causality is suspect :) < 1248298866 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if that conjecture has any useful conclusions. < 1248298877 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps ehird. < 1248298877 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: the conclusion im drawing from it is < 1248298881 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that hurt, causality is not suspect. < 1248298909 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The universe is designed to run multithreaded in a completely safe fashion. < 1248298910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : HURR SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE AND INTUITIVE NOTIONS APPLY TO THE FUNDAMENTAL LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE < 1248298931 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248299694 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1248299809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, thedailywtf.com just linked to esolang < 1248299829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Programming-Praxis-Russian-Peasant-Multiplication.aspx < 1248299840 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Clearly. After all, data only propogates one lightsecond per lightsecond; that makes for some highly data-parallel computing. < 1248299861 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one lightsecond per second, you mean? :P < 1248299867 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. Yes. < 1248299878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's fucking stupid < 1248299878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is no language restriction, though anything on the esoteric language list will probably be ignored." < 1248299884 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lightsecond/second = light < 1248299884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DO THIS STUPID TASK FOR NO REASON" < 1248299887 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :information propogates very fast, yes. < 1248299889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"BUT MAKE SURE IT'S NOT A QUEEEEEEEEEEESTION" < 1248299891 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data travels at 1 light < 1248299892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood_: Point. < 1248299894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1248299901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/QUE+STION/CHAAAAAAAALLENGE/ < 1248299912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i hate tdwtf < 1248299917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: No, light is pretty damned slow. < 1248299917 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood_: in general parlance, "light" is shorthand for multiple-of-c < 1248299929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: erm no < 1248299932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always hear "3 lightspeed" < 1248299933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1248299940 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, but you also hear light. < 1248299947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you hear sound < 1248299947 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Light is neither fast nor slow, it is the reference speed :P < 1248299947 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, we're travelling at five kilolight < 1248299947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not light < 1248299954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: it's the fastest speed < 1248299966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, fine. < 1248299977 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Nothing in relativity prevents tachyons from existing, it just prevents them from having any effect on us whatsoever. < 1248299981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data travels at 1L/T. < 1248299988 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if its the fastest speed, surely C must then be the time-between-computations on the parallel computer that runs the universe! < 1248299991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Planck units FTW) < 1248299996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: All backwards tachyons can be "reimagined" as forwards ones, no? < 1248300003 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: actually tachyons DO exist < 1248300008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's only going at the speed of light for some sort of definition of that. < 1248300009 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they existed, they would move backwards in time < 1248300016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: uh, there's no proof they exist or don't. < 1248300024 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur is a tachyonic being. < 1248300029 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if they moved backwards in time, then they would move backwards from OUR perspective < 1248300032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too, GregorR! < 1248300035 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they moved forwards in their perspective < 1248300053 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they would have time-reversed properties like charge < 1248300064 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :antimatter is just matter moving at super-light speeds < 1248300075 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248300077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248300082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: your theories are, how shall we put this < 1248300082 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1248300084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsupported by evidence < 1248300099 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, ehird, im merely making random connections between antimatter and tachyons < 1248300103 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever laughed more at the phrase "unsupported by evidence" :P < 1248300109 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its common in physics to view antimatter as normal matter moving backwards in time < 1248300119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That "challenge" is really stupid. < 1248300125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: :P < 1248300132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: agreed < 1248300135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C++ *template* implementation is a one-liner. < 1248300136 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure if slereah were here he'd back me up on this < 1248300140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it may drive a bit more challenge to esolang < 1248300144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a bit more traffic < 1248300154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: plz provide a sourcey source. < 1248300157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sauce. < 1248300163 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never heard of antimatter being viewed as time-reversed matter, especially since that makes no sense w.r.t. causality, entropy, ... < 1248300175 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregorr: but it does! :o < 1248300177 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have, in like < 1248300183 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the specific place < 1248300186 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of feynman diagrams < 1248300190 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :templatestruct r{static const int s=b?r::s+b%2*c:0;}; < 1248300198 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. its feynman diagram things. < 1248300200 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think. < 1248300260 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like all i know and i don't know to what degree it's rigorous < 1248300261 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from wiki: "Each line of a diagram represents a particle propagating either backward or forward in time. This technique is the most widespread method of computing amplitudes in quantum field theory today." < 1248300268 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the point of feynman diagrams is they're not rigorous < 1248300277 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a tool for doing the rigorous QED which is hard < 1248300288 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pthing: they're conventionalized ways of computing perturbations for QED < 1248300298 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes right < 1248300319 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so according to wiki < 1248300339 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an antiparticle can be gotten from a positive particle from "applying the charge conjugation (C), parity (P), and time reversal (T) operators" < 1248300341 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the quantum level, lots of things can be viewed meaningfully in a time-reversed frame. And yet, antimatter eggs no more unscramble themselves than matter eggs. < 1248300373 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregorr: real eggs unscramble themselves all the time! < 1248300402 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing about entropy is that its a statistical law, atleast at the scales we normally talk about < 1248300403 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see augur films eggs being scrambled and puts the film in a projector backwards. < 1248300406 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the time. < 1248300419 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Yes. And? < 1248300427 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eats some delicious antimatter eggs. < 1248300436 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's mouth is annihilated in a fierce explosion. < 1248300449 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SHI... < 1248300457 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and saying that normal eggs dont unscramble themselves is not entirely correct, because its only incredibly statistically unlikely, not impossible. < 1248300473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a spontaneous existential failure, like everyone else on the hemisphere < 1248300501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: you know, i'm fairly sure those antimatter eggs exploded as soon as they came across their good ol' friend "air" < 1248300522 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: He lives in a vacuum. < 1248300529 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: they might explode, but maybe not < 1248300546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: shut up, you're not a physicist, you're a bullshittist :) < 1248300556 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the surface area of the egg exposes only a small amount of the mass of the egg < 1248300595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, canvas has been around since 2004 < 1248300633 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its possible that the surface annihilation would create enough radiation that the air around the egg gets blasted away in a minor explosion leaving a vacuum < 1248300633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: who cares? there are enough molecules on the surface to cause a massive explosion as-is < 1248300642 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before, ofcourse, collapsing back in and starting it again. < 1248300660 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but is there? its hard to know how much will actually react < 1248300686 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much does a one-atom-thick eggshell of carbon weigh? a gram? probably not even remotely close. < 1248300701 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially its graphene with the same area as the eggs surface < 1248300711 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt itd weigh much more than a few micrograms < 1248300729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:11 augur: how much does a one-atom-thick eggshell of carbon weigh? a gram? probably not even remotely close. < 1248300739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...serious? < 1248300739 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the explosion might destroy a town, but probably not a hemisphere < 1248300743 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: serious. < 1248300745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean are you serious < 1248300750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like are you SERIOUS < 1248300756 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have calculations for the mass of the graphene, ehird? < 1248300762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :P < 1248300767 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok then! < 1248300770 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can find out tho < 1248300789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The amount of explosion from contact with air is proportional to the surface mass of the egg. ;) < 1248300800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(surface mass. :D) < 1248300829 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting! < 1248300832 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1248300834 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this energy < 1248300836 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphene is very light < 1248300839 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow doesn't break the egg < 1248300843 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>1g/cm^3 < 1248300844 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't vaporise the egg < 1248300850 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pthing: it would compress it more likely < 1248300856 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that its radial, or roughly so < 1248300872 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :break it < 1248300874 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you'd really want is to deposit matter into the CENTER of the egg < 1248300887 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would cause the egg to explode outwards into tiny pieces < 1248300900 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would create more massive secondary explosions due to increased surface area < 1248300927 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248300981 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1248301067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: The simplest way to do this involves acceleration of either the egg or the antimatter. < 1248301072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. Antiegg. < 1248301077 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acceleration of matter. < 1248301086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, say, a rock. < 1248301121 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets say a perfectly spherical Ideal Cow < 1248301153 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so graphene layers are apparently 0.34nm thick. at lets say 2 g cm^-3 density, that makes it (2 g cm^-3)*(3.4e-8 cm^3) = 6.8e-8 g of antiegg < 1248301242 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to http://www.edwardmuller.com/right17.htm < 1248301251 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be an explosion of < 1248301278 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.92128 kilograms of dynamite < 1248301300 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe thats 2.92128 pounds of dynamit. either way! < 1248301379 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, the site there says a whole pound of antimatter would only release 19.5 megatons of energy < 1248301398 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning the egg wouldnt even destroy the whole STATE gregorr is in nevermind the whole hemisphere < 1248301430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even the whole state! < 1248301445 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever gregor is in :p < 1248301454 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know where he is, im assuming hes in The Average American State < 1248301489 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a perfectly circular fictional state with an area equal to precisely the average of all american states xp < 1248301557 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, this is what you get for talking fictional explosions with someone who routinely discussed the merits of the Star Trek vs Star Wars debate < 1248301582 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or its broader incarnation, the X vs Y debate for some X, Y in scifi. < 1248301585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, you think antimatter is going back in time. < 1248301600 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is! its time reversed, charge-reverse normal matter < 1248301606 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the standard quantum mechanical interpretation < 1248301607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1248301620 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no distinction between time reversed charge reversed positive matter, and antimatter < 1248301694 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :antimatter as time-reversed positive matter doesnt create paradoxes < 1248301702 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so theres no reason not to think of it that way < 1248301797 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, time itself is generally treated as just another dimension, presumably one which obeys certain laws of how the things that extend through it can relate to one another structurally, but other than that < 1248302052 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh < 1248302057 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 kilos of dynamite < 1248302061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40534000/jpg/_40534689_toastie-afp203.jpg ← This was sold for $28,000. < 1248302062 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kilograms. < 1248302065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess why without googling. < 1248302066 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not going to crush/vaporise an egg? < 1248302072 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just, how did you put it < 1248302074 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compress it slightly < 1248302076 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pthing: well itll definitely destroy it < 1248302082 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itll mostly compress it < 1248302090 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where by compress < 1248302092 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean crush < 1248302094 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :break < 1248302097 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly compress < 1248302098 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :partially vaporise < 1248302101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1248302103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll tell you. < 1248302104 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely splatter everywhere < 1248302108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It apparently has the Virgin Mary on it. < 1248302110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you see Mary? < 1248302114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't. < 1248302120 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but remember, pthing, its happing radially, outside the egg < 1248302140 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't see how this stops fragments and blobs of antimatter reacting < 1248302160 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's enough activation energy there to make it go off like a cluster bomb < 1248302199 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt, it just prevents it from happening RIGHT away by compressive the egg while the air around it is blown away in the initial explosion < 1248302214 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the egg rebounds from the compression, and the air rebounds in, itll go even bigger < 1248302214 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what, it goes back in a second < 1248302229 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure! < 1248302230 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably less < 1248302236 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like a millisecond < 1248302236 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then big fucking deal < 1248302262 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just a point of fact! < 1248302443 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248302553 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248302563 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1248302588 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey. < 1248302906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1248303017 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey! < 1248304685 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248305047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1248305055 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey? < 1248305058 0 :fungebob!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]" < 1248305175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1248305516 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :antiaugur < 1248305517 0 :antiaugur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping < 1248305522 0 :antiaugur!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1248306472 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want some Yu Wan Mei Miscellaneous Tasty Paste :( < 1248306557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the Yu Wan Mei Device. < 1248306563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has been completed and is now available for sale . < 1248306568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ \././ < 1248306715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1248306717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: http://pastebin.com/m1d114cb0 < 1248306722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The feature list of the Yu Wan Mei Device! < 1248306778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1248306791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: The guy who bought it (for $4,300) by mistake got a feature list < 1248306793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's definitely real < 1248306793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/92u42/the_onion_sells_out_to_china/c0b9qw7 < 1248306802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It requires a lot of batteries. < 1248306847 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1248306864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope he doesn't cancel it, I want to see what they do :-) < 1248306891 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Red blinking lights, randomly accompanied by loud siren noise" < 1248306893 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet! < 1248306897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know right! < 1248306904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has an antenna. < 1248306917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably, it listens and logs all information received from it in an inaccessible part of memory. < 1248306918 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a heat generator! < 1248306921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does not act on it. < 1248306931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: The edges might be sharper than the Palm Pre. < 1248306932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SNAP < 1248306938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://gizmodo.com/5279413/palm-pre-cuts-the-cheese) < 1248307020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.yuwanmei.com/img/yuwanmei_broiled_shark_gums_large.jpg ← I wonder what gums taste like. < 1248307078 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is quite the assortment of batteries :P < 1248307084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1248307099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you get AAAA batteries? < 1248307103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAA? < 1248307125 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to my knowledge. There are batteries that are half the size of a AAA, but they're not called AAAA (they're half the height, otherwise they're the same)