< 1249084800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's almost certainly possible to stop it doing that < 1249084803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl only pollutes (n). < 1249084810 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, and 'man x' searches (n) < 1249084813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, cpan puts everything in section 3perl < 1249084821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as ehird says, that's not particularly useful < 1249084824 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to learn how to read analog clocks by setting his Mac's menubar clock to it < 1249084831 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear_my_inner_ra: What, would you prefer for there not to be man pages of it? < 1249084832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: use a decimal clock < 1249084839 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nothx :P < 1249084839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemented a decimal clock applet for windows ages ago < 1249084844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, it's about 0 right now < 1249084847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over here < 1249084853 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe i'll try swatch time < 1249084865 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decimal time's like that but with two more decimal places < 1249084870 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about @0 < 1249084874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and local time, rather than UTC+1 for no apparent reason < 1249084894 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: erm, swatch time is utc < 1249084899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's UTC+1 < 1249084902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it being @0 around now < 1249084906 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1249084910 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's due to where it's based < 1249084912 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't really acre < 1249084913 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :care < 1249084913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1249084917 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one hour makes little difference < 1249084923 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, since 1 beat = 1 minute and 26.4 seconds, I don't feel the need for more precision < 1249084931 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, it only works if you're near that timezone < 1249084945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 = about 15 minutes, which is more generally useful < 1249084948 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, saying "oh, it's @200, happy midnight" is very unnatural < 1249084951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I tend to think in units of about 15 minutes < 1249084960 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tend to micromanage time. < 1249084966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, well it's @0, which is only midnight because we're in summertime atm < 1249084977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about @1 or @2 now, I suppose < 1249084984 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1249084987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, saying "happy midnight" is unnatural no matter what the circumstances < 1249084992 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, if you have the analog clock in os x, you can't get the digital time in the menu < 1249085003 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: true, the term usually used is "happy today" < 1249085014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: are you trolling? < 1249085015 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite that not making any sense < 1249085022 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, that's actually what I and friends say. < 1249085027 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a habit < 1249085034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over here I mostly hear "it's tomorrow" < 1249085042 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that makes even less sense! < 1249085046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Please only change one character at a time in this topic. Also, http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. < 1249085048 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"happy today" might just be saying, hey, it's today, that's cool < 1249085056 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it makes marginally more sense < 1249085093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Please only chance one word at a time in this topic. Also, http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. < 1249085102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Please only chance one character at a time in this topic. Also, http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. < 1249085107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1249085114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ahem* < 1249085249 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a Gmail user, or do you have friends who are? Do you resent the "Sponsored Link" advertisements that come up next to the incoming mail? Now you and your friends can do something about it! < 1249085249 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The solution is simple, when sending an email to a gmail user include a sentence or two that mentions catastrophic events or tragedies. Google does not use humans to read your email, only computers. These computers search for keywords that trigger the advertisements, however, if they hapen to find a catastrophic event or tragedy Google errs on the side of good taste and removes the ads altogether. < 1249085249 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may want to make mention of what you are doing so the recipient is not alarmed by your sudden Tourette's-like outburst. You can link to this site by way of explanation if need be. < 1249085252 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://homepage.mac.com/joester5/art/gmail.html < 1249085276 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :PS. Suicide death 9/11 murder http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1249085284 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The link to our logs is considered sensitive by gmail. True fact. < 1249085297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :ehird was banned from this topic due to violating the topic rules. http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. < 1249085339 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :ehird ~~ BANNED ~~ AVATAR! ~~ This COOKIE tastes like VIOLENCE! ~~ Posts: 34,383 ~~ Joined: Jan 2001 ~~ Signature: check out my great forum: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1249085352 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Ceci n'est pas un topic. http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. < 1249085352 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forums! They're like crap but worse. < 1249085367 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Ceci n'est pas valid French. http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1249085392 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249085395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I like that topic < 1249085412 0 :Halph!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1249085412 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :magritte would be proud < 1249085418 0 :Halph!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :coppro < 1249085444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too clever by halph < 1249086433 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so's your mom < 1249086604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"no apparent reason" < 1249087116 0 :dear_my_inner_ra!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1249088513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is vaguely in the mood to fiddle with little-used OSes < 1249088534 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If MachTen were gratis, I'd be fiddling with that. < 1249090047 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@65.215.113.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249090047 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1249093985 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249094982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249095295 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249096878 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249097224 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249098323 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249098771 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249099821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1249100019 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1249100455 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249101321 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-236-168-223.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1249101781 0 :ab5tract!n=ab5tract@pool-74-103-160-247.phlapa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249101791 0 :ab5tract!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249103602 0 :centrinia!n=exc@adsl-219-42-109.asm.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249103933 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1249106471 0 :centrinia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1249107715 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1249107760 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1249109881 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1249113599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1249113600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1249117572 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@65.215.113.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249117750 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1249125802 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1249126412 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-129-119-199.range81-129.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1249127166 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-45.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1249127470 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249128844 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249129389 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host81-129-119-199.range81-129.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1249129483 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1249130239 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249130653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zoop. < 1249131178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy mailman mailing list reminders day < 1249131429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh, guys < 1249131435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found precedent that we're using the wrong name for that < 1249131456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/437 came before http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/1226, so we must assume the former is the original (especially since that's Hixie's kind of joke) < 1249131462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should be < 1249131470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy mailman mailing list memberships reminders day < 1249131470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1249131478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy australian mailman mailing list memberships reminders day < 1249131484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMMLMRD < 1249131606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"More fucking particles, really, science? You know what? < 1249131606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you. I'm not even trying to understand it, now." < 1249131606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— http://io9.com/5327313/meet-two-new-quantum-particles-spinons-and-holons < 1249132531 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249134052 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Gravity/w/ <-- Delety < 1249134129 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you protect a non-existant page from being created, with mediawiki? < 1249134220 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1249134252 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That talk page could probably make use of it < 1249135008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: you can? < 1249135042 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that wikis have a lot of non-existant pages blocked from creation < 1249135184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki admins: please delete this bullshit http://esolangs.org/wiki/Compute < 1249135191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even funny any more < 1249135199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely tired of shit like that < 1249135280 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E < 1249135281 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S < 1249135282 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M < 1249135283 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E < 1249135297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh http://4mhz.de/ < 1249135298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(21 Jul 2009) Some days ago, I received a voucher copy of c't extra Programmieren 02/09, a special issue of c't (a German IT magazine). They published Brainfuck Developer on DVD. In the article, there's even a screenshot ;) It's nice to see the work you've done recognized. < 1249135325 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they stole his program? :o < 1249135442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copying digital information isn't stealing < 1249135510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/More ← needs more has-been-deletedness < 1249135517 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no MPAA people, you know what I < 1249135519 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean! < 1249135530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: no, because stealing implies a bad thing < 1249135547 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mostly asking if they asked him first < 1249135556 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, it is a bad thing. < 1249135619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copying digital information is not a bad thing. < 1249135661 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to read that article now < 1249135670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to read YOUR MOM < 1249135688 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_> < 1249135908 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249136046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: <<_Xo < 1249137545 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if they make profit from it :o < 1249137947 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@ti211310a341-2220.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1249137985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: you're wrong :p < 1249138028 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But being wrong is right < 1249138037 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So then you're good again < 1249138042 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the evilest thing of all! < 1249138087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1249138225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sites.google.com/site/yacoset/Home/physics-for-programmers < 1249138267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Now this is a story all about how my viewpoint flipped-turned upside down, and I'd like to take a minute, just sit right there, I'll tell you how I became a fan of our friend X M L. < 1249138268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In North Mopac Boulevard, castin rays, on the PC is where I spent most of my days. Chillin out, haxin, refraxin all cool, I was shootin some photons through a polybool. Then a couple of rays who were up to no good, started causing errors in their neighborhood. I wrote one little script and Maya got scared, she said "You're usin up all the memory IRIX can spare!"]] < 1249138274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/96dg0/nobody_who_uses_xml_knows_what_they_are_doing/c0bky64 < 1249138369 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of generalizing physics to the actual generation of code isnt actually that farfetched in some ways, i think the connections between information theory, physics, and computational systems are well established now < 1249138414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: i think you overestimate the seriousness < 1249138455 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: oh, i just like looking for the elements of truth that are what makes humor funny, i think - because these principles are actually pretty factual < 1249138475 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance: < 1249138484 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. A gas will always expand to fill the volume of its container < 1249138485 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All possible race conditions shall happen at some point in the life of a program. < 1249138502 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is basically 'spot on' - because both are entirely about the stochastic exploration of a state space < 1249138502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: you're kooky :D < 1249138506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fun < 1249138565 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: be careful, i might get started on W.H. Zurek and the implications of his work, and then everyone will be sorry they asked < 1249138583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're not going to ask! < 1249138595 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, hes not some crank, hes one of the world's most respected theoreticians of quantum physics < 1249138600 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are smart < 1249138646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your are smart. < 1249138686 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8177285.stm < 1249138688 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teehee < 1249138701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: You should talk to Slereah_, he works on the LHC or something. < 1249138705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could get him to collide programs. < 1249138707 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what would be my fine < 1249138724 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The judge would be like ONE TRILLION DOLLARS < 1249138778 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: you do fundamental physics work? < 1249138799 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1249138805 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, internship right now < 1249138810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a physics fundamentalist < 1249138810 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still doing my master < 1249138825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THOU SHALT HAVE NO ELEMENTARY PARTICLES APART FROM QUARKS < 1249138871 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: cool, i know its a big field, but have you checked out W.H. Zurek's work on what he calls 'quantum darwinism' - basically a much extended attack on the quantum measurement problem that extends the decoherence paradigm significantly? < 1249138879 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1249138896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1249138906 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its really awesome work, imo, although i have to take a fair amount of the mathematical foundation 'on faith' - but its all peer reviewed and seems very solid, decades of work < 1249138940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a get a fun argument going < 1249138946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Copenhagen or MWI?! < 1249138949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: Copenhagen or MWI?! < 1249138955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i'ma, of course < 1249138980 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: zurek's quantum darwinism, it settles these questions definitively imo - it descends from MWI style thinking but is really quite different < 1249138993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name itself makes me suspicious. < 1249138995 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: want me to summarize? < 1249139006 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeah i know it sounds like a lame neologism, im not sure he should ahve picked it < 1249139017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can summarise if you wish < 1249139019 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but it makes sense in a way after the concept is explained < 1249139020 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehehe < 1249139045 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in short, zurek's work is based on very careful and detailed study of how information is transferred between systems at the quantum level < 1249139046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently, though I'm physicstarded, I'm an MWI-er < 1249139066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: you might want to dumb it down a bit btw :P < 1249139069 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a 'measurement' to happen - for us to perceive the world - information has to be transmitted through a large series of interactions < 1249139072 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am < 1249139078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1249139078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1249139117 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what zurek shows (mostly by pure mathematical manipulation of the fundamental, well tested equations of qed) is that the transmission of information between systems at the quantum level has very definite tendencies < 1249139132 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case of the famous 'schrodingers cat' experiment, you can summarize it as this: < 1249139136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the name of QED < 1249139138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so assertive < 1249139141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you argue with QED?! < 1249139166 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason you never see a half-alive, half-dead cat is that there are rules that determine the kind of information that can be successfully transmitted into the future < 1249139176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: Hey, man, don't make assumptions about what I never see. < 1249139195 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that quantum states that are 'nonsensical' simply do not make 'copies' of themselves in the form of transmitting information forward in time < 1249139208 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps they 'happen', but that information can never reach our sense perceptions < 1249139214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not seeing how this really relates to MWI like you said < 1249139229 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because our perceiving an event in the world means that our particles have become part of an entangled quantum state < 1249139238 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: because the idea is that just like in many world interpretation, 'everything happens' < 1249139258 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unlike MWI, zurek has mathematically studied the dynamics of how information moves between the states and how it goes forward in time < 1249139274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're saying that everything happens in _one_ universe or sth? < 1249139278 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rather than a 'branching' universe, you have a universe that represents the *fittest* collection of information < 1249139281 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes! < 1249139282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't really making any sense to me and I don't see how it relates to darwin at all :P < 1249139292 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything happens in our universe - but we only perceive the 'fittest' information < 1249139293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: doesn't occam's razor apply a bit here? < 1249139298 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because only that information is of the form to transmit itself into the future < 1249139303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does zurek achieve that mwi doesn't < 1249139308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as mwi certainly seems simpler < 1249139311 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematical meaningfulness mostly < 1249139320 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he makes many more predictions and statemnts and the analysis is vastly more fine grained < 1249139329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is zurek compatible with mwi? < 1249139331 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: MWI is basically a philosophical idea - zurek's work is really hard math < 1249139334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, does it contradict any part of mwi? < 1249139341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: there have been plenty papers published on mwi /shrug < 1249139348 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that < 1249139356 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zurek descends from wheeler's tradition in this < 1249139372 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he absolutely bases his work on the same principle, of taking what the actual structure of the quantum equations say 'seriously' < 1249139384 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here im gonna linke the massive and awesome summary paper that was in Nature recently, the arxiv version < 1249139388 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can judge for yourself < 1249139400 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this represents a summary of decades of well respected, peer reviewed, mainstream work < 1249139406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain will probably leak out i'm afraid < 1249139436 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arxiv.org/pdf/0903.5082 < 1249139509 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really think the quality of the work as pure physics/math is superlative, and that the philosophical implications are absolutely staggering < 1249139528 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more so than MWI actually < 1249139548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To bypass these obstacles Bohr [1] followed Alexander < 1249139548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Great’s example: Rather than try disentangling the < 1249139548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gordian Knot at the beginning of his conquest, he cut < 1249139548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it. < 1249139548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ am i the only one who hates such crappy analogies? < 1249139555 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh. < 1249139568 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that is an excellent analogy, but it is also completely irrelevant < 1249139577 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pure literary style, nothing to do with the content of the research or its claims < 1249139587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shush you i'm allowed to complain about it if i want :) < 1249139596 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, i aint quashing no free speech < 1249139610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the evil cabal of fizzie and lament are. < 1249139614 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION summons his black helicopters of physics interpretation censorship < 1249139617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for definitions of are equal to would if they did. < 1249139788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: well i'm sure i'll read that paper sometime in my life… like perhaps when I think it won't totally go over my head. < 1249139790 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I certainly rule the channel with an IRON FIST, no-one can deny that. < 1249139822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Every time you talk I quiver in my boots! < 1249139824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even have boots. < 1249139849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On re-reading my second last line, I read it as "boobs". < 1249139855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freud would have a field day. < 1249139878 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, the idea that the universe we perceive == the subset of the total of all quantum states that possess information dynamics corresponding to a 'universe that makes sense' is the idea < 1249139895 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Zurek shows imo convincingly this is a simple and strict consequence of the base equations themselves < 1249139918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to be talking about it like it's objective < 1249139923 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe it is < 1249139925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i doubt it's that clear-cut, as in a logical consequence < 1249139954 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe zurek has succeeded in mathematically deriving an information-theoretic fundamental ontology of the universe from the most experimentally well confirmed physical theory we have < 1249139983 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so - and i know this is a fucking nuts claim that scientists would back away from - i think science has now solved the class8ic ontological problems of philosophy to a large extent < 1249139986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was truly an objective, formal logic consequence, I'd have almost certainly heard about it due to it being huge. < 1249140007 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-7-202.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1249140010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Litmus test: if you go on about the man oppressing the fundamental nature of the universe now, you're a quack. :P) < 1249140026 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, the thing is that the quantum measurement problem is not regarded as 'sexy' necessarily by the physics community, string theory has been regarded more as where its at, and cosmological issues < 1249140044 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think there is a lot of contingent historical circumstance that means the full significance isnt really understood < 1249140052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously? All I've heard about string theory points it to being a fringe theory that no serious physicist believes due to it being undisprovable. < 1249140055 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but zurek is not a quack, study his biography and his positions < 1249140059 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: exactly!! < 1249140068 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but that is only a very recent and 'popular' opinion < 1249140077 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for most of the past 20 years, string theory was what most people worked on < 1249140081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose. < 1249140083 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :following andrew witten extensively < 1249140106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to believe, really. < 1249140110 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and really most working physicists came to believe that the quantum measurement problem was either not important, or already satisfactorily solved < 1249140115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, working on something undisprovable? < 1249140122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might as well develop a theory of invisible pink unicorns. < 1249140145 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as i say zurek's work is far from obscure, - it is the mainstream of modern work on QED, and not challenged by anyone so far as i know < 1249140162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: Isn't the copenhagen interpretation the standard fare? < 1249140172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the impression I've had, at least < 1249140184 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so much any more, the decoherent paradigm really has taken over i think < 1249140190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1249140206 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think reading at the semi-popular level is likely to convey a somewhat misleading impression < 1249140270 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not a degree- carrying researcher, but ive made a serious effort to move from a 'laymans' understanding to a true technical level and follow the current research directly - and the real state of the community opinion isnt really captured well by the standard summaries of the ideas on quantum measurement < 1249140314 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is that people like the 'narrative' of quantum mechanics being all spooky/crazy/not understood < 1249140345 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats still the dominant trope of whatever popular discourse there tends to be, so the fact that a rather technical and detailed analysis of the theory has shown its not actually like that has just not made a huge impression on the world < 1249140441 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the fact is that the average 'educated, intelligent, rational person' is still using a set of conceptual tools that basically encodes the euclidean/newtonian analytic framework < 1249140445 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at best! < 1249140522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1249140540 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1249140545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1249140631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1249140720 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: btw, in re: string theory - the motivations of the string theory researchers actually do make a lot of sense fundaemntally, even though a lot of people now think that approach wont really get us anwywhere < 1249140747 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our current best physical theories all have the fundamental mathematical fact in common of being strongly related to symmetry groups < 1249140773 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a very important theorem called noether's theorem that connects symmetries to conservation laws, as a consequence < 1249140788 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the string theorists idea is to hunt for more symmetries, basically < 1249140802 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mathematics of string theory is amazing, from a group-theoretical symmetry perspective < 1249140815 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is why it was very appealing as a source for mathematical ideas for physics < 1249140840 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, much incredibly important research *has* been done by string theory - but it has turned out to be 'pure math' more than physics < 1249140846 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres nothing wrong with pure math though < 1249140870 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people get irritated when purely theoretical mathematical structures with no discrernable connection to reality start claiming to be the fundamental building blocks of everything ;) < 1249140881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foop doop < 1249140906 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i being tiresome? < 1249141127 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "making sense" mean < 1249141158 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: mispelled double antonym of 'losing dollars' ? < 1249141181 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plausibly, but I doubt the world is quite ready for a theory unifying finance and fundamental physics < 1249141200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: I'm not sure, I think it makes dollars and sense < 1249141217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: not tiresome, i'm just bored of that subject now ;) < 1249141222 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: actually, i honestly think we are - i think for instance Wolfram and others have good theories about general mathematical rules for complex dynamic systems < 1249141226 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm not < 1249141232 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: may i interest you in some plan9 from bell labs>? < 1249141239 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah well, Wolfram is his own worst enemy in that respect < 1249141243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: i already like plan 9 :P < 1249141258 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He doesn't have good theories, he has *expansive* theories < 1249141272 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he tells you they're good enough times < 1249141296 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: hm but he also does real research and publishes stuff and makes tools, does he not? so i dont think it can be said to be purely hot air < 1249141309 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the people he *hires* does real research and publishes stuff < 1249141311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram's theories tend to be rather vague and use brute-forcing to fill in the details < 1249141322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite interesting for small-scale things, but I don't think it scales up < 1249141322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: BUT THE UNIVERSAL 2,3 TURING MACHINE < 1249141326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU DID IT, DON'T YOU _BELIEVE_?! < 1249141331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, it was found via brute force < 1249141334 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, doesnt the universe itself 'brute force' itself a lot? < 1249141340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's you— er, his— most important result of the CENTURY! < 1249141345 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finding something through brute force isn't the problem < 1249141349 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the four colour problem was brute forced < 1249141351 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the PROBLEM < 1249141361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: oh, yes; it certainly works in theory, just it tends not to work for really big things because it takes a prohibitively long time < 1249141364 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that Wolfram goes off with the principle of computational bollocks or whatever it was < 1249141374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1249141384 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not even philosophically well placed < 1249141391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((ais523 won the Wolfram Prize for the 2,3 turing machine thingy)) < 1249141398 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1249141399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((to give context to my jokes))) < 1249141403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: yuh: http://www.wolframscience.com/prizes/tm23/ < 1249141422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: I think it's an attempt to generalise the Church-Turing thesis, possibly doomed to failure because nobody agrees on how to state the original thesis in the first place < 1249141429 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1249141431 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I mean. < 1249141443 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very emotionally appealing idea < 1249141454 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, im seriously star struck to be in the presence of people who do the work that i regard as incredibly importnat < 1249141459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1249141461 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION asks for autograph, seriously < 1249141470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: it's a bit hard over the internet < 1249141473 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION IM NOT WORTHIES < 1249141475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should become a celebrity < 1249141476 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1249141482 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about a handjob? < 1249141482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've got a better claim to fame than paris hilton! < 1249141482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall I digitally sign a document and send it to you? < 1249141493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1249141498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :digital autographs are the things in the future < 1249141514 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm interested in < 1249141515 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1249141519 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd *like* to be interested in < 1249141532 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think it's even an actual thing yet < 1249141571 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of built-up computational discipline about biological systems < 1249141580 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's part of natural computation, sure < 1249141615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note that over time this channel gradually transforms from an esolang channel to just plain esoteric < 1249141628 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in the broad sense the discovery of DNA was really just that, wasnt it? < 1249141636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... what sort of thing do you normally write in autographs? < 1249141637 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the mapping of DNA == source code for biology is pretty strict < 1249141642 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeaahhhh sort of, the whole molecular biology thing < 1249141652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: except that there seems to be lots of side-channel information too < 1249141661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Alex Smith", I suppose < 1249141662 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's no real basis for a theoretical view of it < 1249141664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: use M-x artist-mode < 1249141665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the DNA doesn't encode everything, even though in theory they could < 1249141670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it all signature-looking! < 1249141672 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all either been elucidation of the precise mechanisms < 1249141676 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah that kind of generalization is really sloppy, im not claiming that as 'fact', but i think as maps and metaphors go, its amazingly strong < 1249141686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought autographs were addressed to someone in particular < 1249141699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think that's mostly via implied ownership of the item in question. < 1249141700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, it's the digital sig that would contain my name, just like traditional analog sigs are where you put your name < 1249141718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I know what I could send < 1249141721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: make a file with 24 lines of 80 spaces, then < 1249141722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sign that < 1249141722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a digitally signed INTERCAL addition < 1249141725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a blank piece of paper < 1249141726 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe we now know that cells are not so much a single centrally organized thing but in fact a kind of ecosystem all in their own, with independently evolved structures, right? < 1249141734 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah sorta < 1249141736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: trippy < 1249141742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo dawg i heard you like ecosystems so etc < 1249141744 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a kind of complex flow of information and processes between viruses, dna/rna, mitochondria, etc < 1249141744 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can go dumb with it < 1249141801 0 :Lim!n=abdoulli@41.207.201.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249141814 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :information theory is obviously fundamental to life just because maintaining low entropy is key to the definition < 1249141823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello Lim < 1249141829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who/what/where brought you here < 1249141832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/when < 1249141841 0 :Lim!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1249141854 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see the theory getting going until people start to properly engineer genomes < 1249141859 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're just starting to now < 1249141883 0 :Lim!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can speak in french ? < 1249141891 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other problem is that the point of computer science is that it's so general < 1249141921 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i was going to put a bet on where we might get a truly amazing fundamental breakthrough - if we could 'crack the neural code' of whats going on in the brain in an analogous way to our current tracing of genetics... < 1249141922 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the architecture isn't frightfully important, so whether you can do anything on a particularly deep level *specifically* about biological computation is doubtful < 1249141926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lim: can you? < 1249141930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we might not understand you though < 1249141933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1514846 < 1249141937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go, a digital autograph < 1249141940 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: Engineering genomes has gotten started. < 1249141943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing expires in 15 minutes, be sure to save a copy < 1249141944 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1249141947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images < 1249141950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what the topic references < 1249141954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a french channel :P < 1249141958 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat67.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1249141961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi impomatic < 1249141962 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1249141972 0 :Lim!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1249141974 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thank you! < 1249141976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!translateto Lim: what channel did you expect this to be? < 1249141977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1249141979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!translateto fr Lim: what channel did you expect this to be? < 1249141984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!translatefromto en fr Lim: what channel did you expect this to be? < 1249141986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard about it at USENIX in 2008; there was a freaking genetic programming language they had devised and were using to modify bacteria. < 1249141991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1249141993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto en fr Lim: what channel did you expect this to be? < 1249141996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: is that an EgoBot or HackEgo feature? < 1249141998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1249142002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto fr Lim: what channel did you expect this to be? < 1249142004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEGo isn't here < 1249142004 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had not heard of an actual programming language < 1249142007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1249142008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might explain why it isn't working < 1249142010 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what that would imply :| < 1249142012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`join < 1249142017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity, doesn't work... < 1249142022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lim: qu'est-ce que vous pensez que cette chaîne était d'environ? < 1249142033 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't mean the iGEM parts, do you? < 1249142042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: run through an online translator? < 1249142046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yuhuh :) < 1249142049 0 :Lim!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :je me suis dit qu'on parle d'esoterisme ici < 1249142070 0 :Lim!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :et je suis venu voir < 1249142086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lim: bizarre ( «ésotériques»), les langages de programmation, en fait. mais nous sommes surtout hors sujet! < 1249142102 0 :Lim!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1249142117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Lim was probably referring to the topic < 1249142117 0 :Lim!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ici on parle de programmation !! < 1249142126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249142127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qui a dit que Google Translate ne fonctionne pas? < 1249142128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: agreed < 1249142133 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :un patois < 1249142134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lim: :-) < 1249142154 0 :Lim!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1249142166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :This is not valable Anglais. http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1249142203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the second most spoken language is here < 1249142205 0 :Lim!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok byr < 1249142213 0 :Lim!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1249142214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Korean? there certainly used to be quite a few Koreans here < 1249142220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish. < 1249142223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ofc < 1249142241 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has #esoteric officially switched languages? < 1249142249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Just to talk to someone ;-) < 1249142260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Deewiant, fizzie, Ilari, ineiros < 1249142265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be more finns hanging around < 1249142271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: nah, it was a one-off joke < 1249142271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^there < 1249142281 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finns are everywhere :|| < 1249142286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but fungot doesn't have a "there" command < 1249142286 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course. to connect to ports and send things how it pleases < 1249142294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, maybe it does < 1249142298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1249142300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite a generic command, though < 1249142302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je pense que nous devrions tous nous parler par l'intermédiaire de Google Translate, raison: il est fun. < 1249142309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would explain why you gave it without arguments < 1249142326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: intercal needs a command like that < 1249142329 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And can anyone output the string "Hello Reddit!" in Brainfuck with a program less than 113 characters < 1249142331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connects to a random machine on a random port and sends random data < 1249142335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think CLC-INTERCAL has one, pretty much < 1249142335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Hello Reddit! < 1249142342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no way that that will win < 1249142345 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :117 ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<++++++++++.>----------.-..+++++.+++++++++++.>+.>. [729] < 1249142346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf_txtgen is rather inefficient < 1249142349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :117 < 1249142351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1249142352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, that was impressive < 1249142359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :improve to taste < 1249142374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1249142376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, we should be able to optimise that down 5 times < 1249142380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*5 chars < 1249142384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1249142398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twitfuck: a Brainfuck program under 140 characters that does something fun. < 1249142411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen AAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1249142413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The uncomfortable double-meaning as cybersex over Twitter is welcomed. < 1249142414 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :48 +++++[>+++++++++++++>++>><<<<-]>..............>. [756] < 1249142423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, it adds a final newline < 1249142431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just removing that would shorten the program < 1249142443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get rid of the >+< in the loop and the >. at the end < 1249142447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that cheating, though? < 1249142453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deutsch, als von Natur aus komisch Sprache, ist die neue Sprache für die Übersetzung meiner Dummheit. < 1249142467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Hello Reddit!" doesn't end with \n :P < 1249142468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: do you require a final newline? < 1249142482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol google translate roundtripped silliness as stupidity < 1249142492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<++++++++++.>----------.-..+++++.+++++++++++.>+. < 1249142492 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello Reddit! < 1249142505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :112 characters, if I counted correctly < 1249142524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d",strlen("++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<++++++++++.>----------.-..+++++.+++++++++++.>+.")) < 1249142532 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :112 < 1249142538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that took longer to compile than I expected < 1249142556 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't include a newline in mine, so that beats the one I just posted: http://tr.im/v3ER < 1249142598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel embarasses people; you ask a hard question, and the bots give you an answer to it in a few seconds < 1249142613 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1249142622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're at the forefront of the singularity! :p < 1249142627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon, we'll just replace ourselves with bots < 1249142633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, the humans don't contribute all that much to the channel < 1249142654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: your Underload suggestion is pretty short < 1249142721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should respond to the person who posted that awful BF with the bot's nice semi-optimised BF, though < 1249142734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a competent human could beat it, but I'm not sure if any would be bothered < 1249142740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although I notice dbc is here...) < 1249142747 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249142749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and he's /very/ good at BF golfing) < 1249142752 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: Well, it was more "programming-esque", in that it was a textual way of composing small blocks of genes with specific functioning together. < 1249142760 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I responded with a hand written 113 instruction BF < 1249142771 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ive fallen into a parallel universe, i did not realize there were places where issues like 'brainfuck code quality' were actually of community interest :) < 1249142772 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they're called codons < 1249142776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: dbc is amazing at all golfing < 1249142776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hevanet.com/cristofd/siersig.c < 1249142779 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a cite for them or something? < 1249142779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: the response doesn't seem to have shown up < 1249142787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only entry to my chaos game method sierpinski golf in C :) < 1249142801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: BF code quality is done as a competitive sport, because there's no other reason to do it < 1249142809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: parallel universe? doesn't that contradict QUANTUM DARWINISM? < 1249142819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEEEEEEEEEEEEERVED < 1249142820 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1249142824 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was my first thought < 1249142826 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speciation < 1249142839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll speci your ation. < 1249142844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: No, it was a speech that I saw. And it was awesome. < 1249142856 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity < 1249142861 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: to the extent i or people i knew preiously messed with brainfuck, just getting it to do anything was considered the 'badge of achievement' < 1249142868 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1249142885 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: But that's not even all that hard! < 1249142887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1249142887 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble < 1249142891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, we still have choo here < 1249142894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show choo < 1249142894 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]+32[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>] < 1249142899 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can compile C into it (not well)! < 1249142900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1249142904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Testing < 1249142904 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing esting sting ting ing ng g < 1249142916 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange, I see the response here < 1249142927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Maybe you're banned :) < 1249142932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the autospambotbannerthingy < 1249142943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a thing where the author of a comment s— < 1249142943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1249142944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme dig a link < 1249142952 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, if you use the algorithmic approach, i dont see any reason why you couldnt procedurally port and build kde4 to/from brainfuck if you felt like building the necessary bits of glue, right? < 1249142967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE4, maybe not < 1249142971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/94s1u/ohsorry/c0bfs8r < 1249142977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so reddit may be having issues < 1249142978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm trying to do that with programs about as complicated as NetHack, via gcc-bf < 1249142980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: IO < 1249142982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I need to finish some time < 1249142997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for someone to mention PSOX < 1249143020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I especially love how gcc-bf has filesystem emulation going. < 1249143029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written but not tested in any way < 1249143037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the filesystem is slightly simpler than DOS 1's < 1249143046 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still nice. < 1249143068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since the idea is to just be a hosted implementation of C, it's not like you need a *complex* filesystem. < 1249143079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how does it compare to MFS? < 1249143092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't know of MFS < 1249143105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically, it's a malloced dictionary, implemented using linear search < 1249143110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you couldn't really get much worse < 1249143114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it had resource forks but not directories < 1249143115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1249143115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Folders existed as a concept on the original MFS-based Macintosh, but worked completely differently from the way they do on modern systems. They were visible in Finder windows, but not in the open and save dialog boxes. There was always one empty folder on the volume, and if it was altered in any way (such as by adding or renaming files), a new Empty Folder would appear, thus providing a way to create new folders. MFS stored all of the file and directory lis < 1249143126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, bffs doesn't have directories at all < 1249143131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ting information in a single file. The Finder created the "illusion" of folders, by storing all files as a directory handle/file handle pair. To display the contents of a particular folder, MFS would scan the directory for all files in that handle. There was no need to find a separate file containing the directory listing. < 1249143131 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++[>+++[>>+>++++>+++>+++>++<[++++<]<-]<-]>>>---.>>----.>+++..+++.>++.<<<<++++++++++.>>.-..>------.<<----.>>>+. < 1249143132 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello Reddit! < 1249143137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but MFS is more perverse < 1249143140 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :113 characters :-( < 1249143141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1249143144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :structured metadata but no folders… but crazily hacked up folders < 1249143153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: at least you have 3 nested loops there, which is always fun to see < 1249143159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, and the innermost is unbalanced < 1249143169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must have driven you mad trying to write that < 1249143172 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1249143173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if esotope can optimise that < 1249143181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes. < 1249143182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in-between? < 1249143187 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, just took five minutes < 1249143190 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To what extent is a good question. < 1249143361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems I don't have a copy of in-between here to test, and I'm pretty sure I don't have a copy of esotope-bfc either < 1249143380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn co blah < 1249143383 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, you guys have inspired me to do something i think needs to be done - and that is write up a short paper trying to explain why i think that Zurek's work makes the idea that information theory is the fundamental ontology of the universe approach the status of 'proven, so long as QED remains experimentally valid' < 1249143424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only said that so you could watch people trying to parse it, didn't you? < 1249143449 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if that was the case, i would have been more careful with the grammar :( < 1249143461 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since trying to parse it myself reading it now, i stumble a bit < 1249143574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't help that I expanded "QED" the wrong way at a first reading < 1249143627 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ouch, thats definitely an invalid typecast when i parse it that way < 1249143645 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it almost godel statement's my head. < 1249143647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1249143653 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I been playing with a 4 instruction Forth. >R R> R@ and - < 1249143660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: oklopol commented on that < 1249143661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so did I :P < 1249143669 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1249143672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: "I'll gödel statement your sexual organs, if you know what I mean." < 1249143680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(first person to use that IRL gets a cookie. a Gödel cookie.) < 1249143716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, someone just prodded a page on Esolang, and we don't even have a prod template < 1249143720 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: didn't see your comment < 1249143723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: my comment was the first one, the nitpick :P < 1249143736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, right, I was going to ask you to delete two pages < 1249143736 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: hmm, couldnt you just embed a good old fashioned paradox in them? if you can prove a false stament, you can prove any statement, so i could then prove 'i have sex with you' to anyone i wish via the broken logical system < 1249143745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I've probably deleted one already < 1249143760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but http://esolangs.org/wiki/MonkeyCode is rather mystifying, it reminds me of a schrodilan which has already gone off < 1249143760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://esolangs.org/wiki/More, because it isn't even a language that the author of the page invented, isn't interesting, is a stupid, and is worth zilch < 1249143766 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks anonymous ;-) I left the comment, but fixed the typo < 1249143809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I do think the idea of using #!/bin/tail is a mildly clever one (which I also came up with) < 1249143813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The second is http://esolangs.org/wiki/Compute because it's semantically meaningless, the interpreter isn't, could only be created by someone with the intellect of a 2 year old and is in just about every which way pointless, but then we have precedent for keeping those sorts of pages. < 1249143815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was planning to use it in esoteric Perl < 1249143822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's so mildly clever that EVERYONE has figured it out. < 1249143825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, not a language. < 1249143830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, I think we should leave it in the jokes list < 1249143836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More or Compute? < 1249143839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's a common and fundamental type of joke that we don't actually have yet < 1249143841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Computer < 1249143844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Compute < 1249143846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More is less clear < 1249143848 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to implement enough to prove that >R R> R@ and - are Turing complete. < 1249143850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have that, actually, ais523 < 1249143858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1249143864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1249143868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://esolangs.org/wiki/QWERTY_Keyboard_Dot_Language < 1249143890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that doesn't have the "No IO" feature that makes it implementable < 1249143893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, I suspect, the real joke < 1249143898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/implementable/"implementable"/ < 1249143898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Compute isn't implementable, either < 1249143907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't computing if you don't actually compute it < 1249143911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ofc < 1249143920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's a bad joke, but not so bad that it's worthy of deletion < 1249143929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I agree, we do have precedent for keeping that sort of thing < 1249143936 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: actually a few quantum computing algorithms do their best to cheat on that, but i guess i wont argue the point < 1249143954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it agreed that http://esolangs.org/wiki/More is an awful waste of space? < 1249143971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I think it you could write a decent article about the subject, but that isn't it < 1249143984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe as a section in a longer article about ways to abuse non-esolang programs < 1249144012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't wasting space, incidentally; deleted pages take up more space than non-deleted pages < 1249144016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sure < 1249144018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean semantic space < 1249144020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subjective space < 1249144021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :browsing space < 1249144028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't in any cats, so it isn't wasting space that way either < 1249144030 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@host86-172-4-88.range86-172.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1249144031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cognitive space < 1249144035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disk space is a useless concept, anyway < 1249144038 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: if you are worried about the informational ethics of deleting pointless pages i advise you to apply the 'in 500 billion years nobody care and this irks my aesthetics, good bye' < 1249144039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can store anything these days for peanuts < 1249144051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: Sorry, no; I'm a packrat. :) < 1249144082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, can anyone deduce a language spec from this: http://nocluestudios.com/MonkeyCode < 1249144086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, *I'd* quite like to care in roughly that time, if by sheer luck we get brain scanning before I become all stupid n' shit. < 1249144096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... let's try web archive < 1249144125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i've seen monkey code before < 1249144164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20050311210617/http://www.nocluestudios.com/ <--- I preferred eso-std.org's placeholder < 1249144194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still say :> was the narrator, not a spaceship < 1249144195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, all the pages in the web archive for nocluestudios have placeholders worded pretty similarly < 1249144204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasn't archived any actual content < 1249144214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly it's always been like that < 1249144224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, did this language ever exist? < 1249144247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1249144256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a tunes.org log entry about it < 1249144260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it has no branching. < 1249144268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the interp only ran on windows and was closed-source < 1249144283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Old dudes who know Brainfuck | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1249144285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, worse than deadfish? < 1249144295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that bad, probably < 1249144307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, deadfish caught on massively, somehow < 1249144332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:55:56 --- join: DawnLight (n=DawnLigh@82.166.248.171) joined #esoteric < 1249144333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:56:09 are you guys crazy? < 1249144362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what date? < 1249144370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and really, how can we respond to that? < 1249144380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20071029 < 1249144392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what date is the tunes.org log entry? < 1249144396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should link to it on the monkeycode page < 1249144403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google the url of the site < 1249144405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it actually have some content at least < 1249144427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your search - http://www.nocluestudios.com/MonkeyCode - did not match any documents. < 1249144434 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1249144459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it works without the www < 1249144476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:59:14 It's 1 PM, so I should get some sleep. < 1249144480 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the creator of monkeycode knew how many neurons of the great minds of our time were pursuing his work, im sure hed be shocked < 1249144532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv < 1249144533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not that clever/ < 1249144537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\\$/./ < 1249144537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1249144597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I'd be as good as programmer at all if I didn't have a computer when I was 3 < 1249144601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, someone prodded for notability reasons, we don't do that on esolang < 1249144607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly environment < 1249144632 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you say that now, but wait until one of your clever little esoteric language loops actually happens to compile itself upon reading to neural level executable and you become the first human/algorithm hybrid consciousness < 1249144644 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a true literal 'brainfuck' < 1249144658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm planning on that! < 1249144669 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does prod mean? < 1249144700 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the english word? < 1249144708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proposed deletion < 1249144716 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wiki templating < 1249144723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a deletion vote without the voting < 1249144729 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is always in global context < 1249144730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., "Hey, this should be deleted." < 1249144742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: you need to contextualise! < 1249144746 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1249144749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Wikipedia, it means it can be deleted with 1 support and without objection within 7 days < 1249144757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is a vote, sort of < 1249144764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1249144764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one that has to be unanimous, and where people don't actually bother to vote < 1249144768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:14:53 penguin benchmark avocado < 1249144768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:15:13 ? < 1249144768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:15:29 immibis coil fortress modulo sailing < 1249144769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:15:49 ? < 1249144769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:16:00 ? < 1249144769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:16:18 what are you talking about < 1249144771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:16:38 deftly turtle english markup < 1249144952 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I ought to get some programming done < 1249146658 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1249147372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1249147378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1249147397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : . http://io9.com/5327313/meet-two-new-quantum-particles-spinons-and-holons <-- fascinating < 1249147406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also bullshit < 1249147410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not really particles < 1249147421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like, ways to describe fluctuations between particles or sth < 1249147421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this like phonons? < 1249147423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :physicist on reddit said < 1249147423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1249147425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like phonons < 1249147430 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plenty of things are not real particles < 1249147432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's a good thing in the io9 comments, layman explanation < 1249147437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably find the comments on reddit < 1249147438 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are quasi-particles < 1249147451 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're still the same mathematically < 1249147452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/96j3t/electron_split_into_2_new_quantum_particles/c0bljcd < 1249147457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ angry scientist is angry < 1249147529 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he should join the Union of Concerned Scientists < 1249147537 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anger Chapter < 1249147538 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ucsusa.org/ < 1249148619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iwc :D < 1249148810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wickdee. < 1249149682 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@65.215.113.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249149760 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esola Next Generation < 1249150153 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Esola was a secret convent of gnostic Armenian hermits founded in Anatolia in the 9th century. Most of the monks were wiped out in 1917 in an event which the Turkish government denies to this day. A few of the monks were able to flee to America, where they founded EsolaNG." < 1249150192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1249150210 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: are you not aware of our proud tradition? < 1249150216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1249150237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oh < 1249150239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang < 1249150240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how amusing < 1249150248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol it's like, i put esola in my google field < 1249150249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was < 1249150252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esola blah blah < 1249150254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esola blah blah < 1249150255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang < 1249150261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was like, ok, that must be EsolaNG < 1249150264 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess it _is_ secret. at least when there are turks nearby. < 1249150264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i typed esolang < 1249150266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and saw "esolang wiki" < 1249150267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i thought < 1249150272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right the wikipedia article < 1249150274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :googled esolang < 1249150276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DOH" < 1249150287 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great success! < 1249150331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1249153713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I’m sorry, I think char strings are a really bad solution, but the XML thing is just as bad. I use my own lib to make everystring a number, every word a number. Makes programs that do the same things with 100 times less code, thousands times faster, and I have measured it, this is not a theoretical statement like yours.]] < 1249153717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w… what o_O < 1249153777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh… CUPS is made by Apple. < 1249153782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume coppro doesn't use it :-P < 1249154332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The top of the cube with ample room for ventilation and a slot below for DVDs or CD-ROMs. Look ma! No fans!" // yeah, right :P < 1249154645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: who said that, and why < 1249154653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which < 1249154661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quote just after oerjan left < 1249154670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, immediately after, there was quite a timelag < 1249154677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, aren't all strings numbers already? < 1249154690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i really don't know man < 1249154693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fucked up quote :P < 1249154813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the quote after that was from a review of the G4 Cube; evidently theirs had not yet overheated :P) < 1249154991 0 :Mony!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-7-202.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1249155019 0 :Mony!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest15416 < 1249155192 0 :Guest15416!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Moony < 1249155499 0 :Moony!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249156066 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249158136 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"mov.i #1,1" < 1249158852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~/Documents/LimeChat Transcripts] % cat */* | grep '^..:.. ehird' | awk '{for (i = 3; i < NF; i++) print $i }' | sort | uniq -ic | sort -n | e < 1249158864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sort -rn < 1249158896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the a to is I it you of and that in AnMaster: < 1249158898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ the top words < 1249158918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like "for", "not", "it's", "be", "has", "on", "with", "as" and "do" come below "AnMaster:". < 1249158925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is hilarious. < 1249158943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sort -f < 1249158950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid dupliciciciates < 1249159013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~/Documents/LimeChat Transcripts] % cat */* | grep '^..:.. ehird' | awk '{for (i = 3; i < NF; i++) print $i }' | LC_ALL=C sort -f | uniq -ic | sort -rn | tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]' < 1249159016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :complete solution < 1249159016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1249159020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add | e at the end :P < 1249159090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many hapax legomenons. < 1249159096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*legomena < 1249159105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And dis legomena. < 1249159108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long tail sort of thing. < 1249159877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what exactly are you measuring there? < 1249159888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just read the line; it's fairly obvious. < 1249159895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :frequency of word in phrases directed to you? I'm not faimilar with the log format < 1249159902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HH:MM person: text < 1249159908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1249159959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess: frequency of words in what you said yourself? < 1249159964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what the awk bit is there for < 1249160046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, must be to cut away timestamp and ehird? < 1249160051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why start at 3 then < 1249160053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1249160053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although "ehird" is still the top word. < 1249160058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: $1 = HH:MM < 1249160061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$2 = person: < 1249160062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1249160064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$3 = first word < 1249160069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right duh < 1249160071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-based < 1249160073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot that < 1249160093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I found a new game. Sadly it doesn't run very well on the laptop. Due to the intel graphics < 1249160098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249160129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "vegastrike", an open source space game. seems quite fun so far, still learning how stuff in it works though... < 1249160141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1249160177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: have you installed the open source intel drivers? < 1249160184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should handle 3D better than your desktop, at least. < 1249161973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1249162289 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249162396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: have you installed the open source intel drivers? <-- yes it uses the intel drivers. I get hardware acceleration even. (checked with glxgears), It even handles the game quite well when there aren't a lot of other ships on the screen. However when there are: my desktop handles it far better < 1249162433 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249162434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the desktop however takes ages to load the game. And swaps out other programs while doing so. < 1249162734 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1249163983 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249164012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: < 1249164016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: have you installed the open source intel drivers? <-- yes it uses the intel drivers. I get hardware acceleration even. (checked with glxgears), It even handles the game quite well when there aren't a lot of other ships on the screen. However when there are: my desktop handles it far better < 1249164031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Shoulda chosen the ATI graphics. < 1249164033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, a geforce 7600 isn't quite as bad as you think < 1249164078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's the drivers < 1249164082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the gp < 1249164083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gpu < 1249164086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe. still the game vegastrike seems quite graphics intensive with shaders and what not, and I won't need that advanced graphics < 1249164088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the intel drivers are slow < 1249164090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on linux < 1249164094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, really slow < 1249164100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, any better drivers then for linux? < 1249164109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah; they're working on it < 1249164112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1249164142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I found this program by idle browsing in ubuntu's add/remove programs thingy in the game category < 1249164165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's a nice way to find neat programs < 1249164180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the "not maintained by canonical" section < 1249164210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have a list of other games to try out. Found a few "sounds good by really quite bad" and some "better than it sounds" ones < 1249164218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the latter category: "kiki the nanobot" < 1249164225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting puzzle game < 1249164240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: btw select all programs, not just non-canonical < 1249164247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you're just excluding stuff for no reason :P < 1249164250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yeah that is what I did < 1249164252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather: < 1249164254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1249164264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"open source non-canon(ical)" ;P < 1249164279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best game is xjump < 1249164287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1249164293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best action-sorta game < 1249164295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tried it before, and well, I just suck at it < 1249164303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of the distilled essence of the fast-paced game < 1249164306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: me too < 1249164318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out it's the fluff additions that make games easy :P < 1249164327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, their vegastrike package is a bit buggy. I'm not sure in what way, but background music only works when you docked to a space station, otherwise it spews python tracebacks in stdout < 1249164338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's prolly not the packaging < 1249164348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, it works correctly on gentoo < 1249164354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the upstream binary build < 1249164360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drivers, infrastructure etc < 1249164396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh xjump would be much easier if the whole world wasn't made of butter < 1249164410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 1) gentoo doesn't have a package for it 2) the binary package is 497 MB, most is data but it seems more of a pain to build it anyway < 1249164553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and vegastrike might seem kind of dead when looking at their website (last commit in May) but it also seems very stable and complete, just found one minor bug/misfeature so far: they seem to use a custom font in the game, and when it is rendered at small size (only a few places, but then very long bits of text) it is very hard to read. < 1249164555 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-38-136.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1249164572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the first vertical line in M goes missing. or very faint < 1249164596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *suspect* misuse of anti-aliasing. < 1249164621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may isn't really dead < 1249164641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and just now: white text on slightly off white bg = bad idea < 1249164654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that seems to be due to rendering text on a surface reflecting the sun < 1249164656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by loki1950 < 1249164656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:43 pm < 1249164660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that name is in rad < 1249164661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :red < 1249164665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I turn the ship around it is close to black instead < 1249164665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the feature requests forum < 1249164667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := admin < 1249164673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, mhm? kay < 1249164715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is that column btw? under bug tracker? < 1249164744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stares at main page < 1249164801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1249164804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forums < 1249164807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1249164828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1249164846 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249164871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if you like this type of games you might want to give it a try. No idea if you a) like them b) have a computer able to handle lots of shaders and special effects (though you can use the separate program vssetup to turn some of that off, yes that is right, settings are in a separate program) < 1249164889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of game is it? < 1249164890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh another thing, it is stretched on wide screen (unless you run in windowed mode) < 1249164901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I have a mildly crappy gfx card from 2006 < 1249164903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :came with mac < 1249164906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lowest end one < 1249164908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some ati thingy < 1249164932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can run games from like 2002 at full res with everything turned on at high fps, so < 1249164939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's as intensive as commercial games, prolly fine < 1249164945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can't you set black bars < 1249164946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well... space simulator/game. You can notice they gave a half hearted try to simulate realistic physics then gave up and added a "SPEC-drive" so the game wouldn't take so long < 1249164947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/?/ < 1249164959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: strategy? < 1249164966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what. < 1249164979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you pilot a ship, so not freeciv style of stratergy < 1249164988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :action? < 1249164988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is combat too, haven't yet figured out how it works < 1249164996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, but also peaceful trading if you want < 1249165060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is a mission computer, haven't worked that out yet either, only done simple "by cargo at planet a, go to astroid b with mining facilities and sell it, buy other cargo, go back" stuff yet < 1249165107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to earn money to be able to buy a ship able to survive in combat. I strayed into an area with pirates first. Had to restore from savegame :) < 1249165159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw. you can use keyboard/mouse to control. In fact it even works quite well. Joystick is nice for when you are trying to fly into the docking port at a space station though. :) < 1249165176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate joysticks < 1249165182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1249165203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is there to hate about joysticks :/ < 1249165206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hilarious internet answer: Too phallic. Real answer: Movement isn't free-form enough, buttons are awkward. < 1249165220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what sort of joystick have you used then? < 1249165227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a few < 1249165228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buttons are well placed on this one < 1249165234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing "high-end" or anything < 1249165253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most, and there are enough of the well placed ones that you never need the non-well-placed ones < 1249165262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes high-end < 1249165275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no point spending money if i don't expect to like it < 1249165307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and this one even doesn't need to be recalibrated very often. As in: maybe once / year or so < 1249165323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything that needs calibration sucks < 1249165338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, all joysticks do. < 1249165347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, all joysticks suck. < 1249165377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and there is no noisy potentiometers in it. It uses the hall effect to sense the position of the joystick instead. Which is really cool < 1249165453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION configures LiteSwitch X to single-application mode < 1249165475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(think: one app = one virtual desktop, pretty much) < 1249165504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway: mouse works very well until you need to not just control pitch/yaw, but also roll. you can do it by keyboard but if you want to control speed at same time you really have a hard time compared to throttle/joystick combo < 1249165541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "liteswitch X" for? < 1249165541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like a joystick that's basically a trackball with little dimples to grip < 1249165548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a better cmd-tab window switcher < 1249165557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1249165558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :app switcher < 1249165570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1249165577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting idea that trackball. it could handle the < 1249165583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the single-application mode just means that whenever an application focuses, it hides all others < 1249165593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the yaw too < 1249165600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it could < 1249165609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also make it able to be pushed down quite a bit < 1249165622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you could make the dimples be buttons < 1249165622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1249165624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: as in < 1249165629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-()- < 1249165630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the ball < 1249165631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1249165633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- - < 1249165633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : () < 1249165640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except less so < 1249165644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., the ball can be depressed < 1249165647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lol@that wording) < 1249165661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, might be hard to reach dimple-buttons when pressed down? unless I misunderstood you < 1249165667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd keep your hand on it < 1249165670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it wouldn't go all the way < 1249165684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd push with your palm < 1249165719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1249165752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not build one? < 1249165792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know people who built their own pedals for flight sim. though joysticks are probably a lot harder. < 1249165821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if you push it with your palm, won't that push all the buttons too? < 1249165894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1249165901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, they're dimples < 1249165915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to get your finger n < 1249165916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in < 1249165927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right. thought they were more shallow < 1249165935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like those on, say, a golf ball < 1249165968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you mean something between them and the whole on a bowling ball? < 1249165973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holes* < 1249165980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(crazy typo) < 1249165996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't really describe it < 1249166033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it could only have one function < 1249166038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you couldn't hold and spin < 1249166043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1249166083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to use 2-3 buttons at the same time as I'm moving the joystick, and also the throttle and some button on it < 1249166084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1249166087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "tend to" < 1249166091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "sometimes I need it" < 1249166120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, try landing in a flight sim with a harrier. that is/was the brittish jet that can land vertically < 1249166152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you need to handle pitch/yaw/roll/throttle/thrust_vector at the same time :) < 1249166268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd just buy a real plane. < 1249166390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, would be much more expensive and, 1) getting a flight cert 2) fuel 3) the actual plane, and since iirc it is still in service... And I don't think there is a large "black" market for them. < 1249166412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more fun! < 1249166452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the real aircraft *does* have a joystick. And it needs not only calibration but lots of other sorts of expensive maintenance! < 1249166496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet and app that makes your cursor wrap around xD < 1249166519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nice idea < 1249166527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit hard to get used to I imagine... < 1249166540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Why yes, buying a real plane would be more fun. < 1249166545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, you see, that *costs money*. < 1249166548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1249166551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier to buy your mom < 1249166552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I mentioned that < 1249166582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shush you. Just because you were born of a prostitute doesn't mean everyone's mother is that way. < 1249166611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would like to make clicking the desktop -not- focus the finder… < 1249166616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks in liteswitch x prefs < 1249166632 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Liteswitch X? < 1249166634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do tell. < 1249166646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind. Lops. < 1249166647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's an OS X application that makes switching applications Not Suck. < 1249166650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lops? < 1249166662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"erstwhile" <-- just wondering, would any of you use this word instead of "once"? < 1249166662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logs. < 1249166665 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinks. < 1249166671 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. < 1249166674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a heartbeat. < 1249166676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No. < 1249166683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right. I had to define: it < 1249166684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm not _that_ pretentious < 1249166686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/./ < 1249166706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERSTWHILE, IT DID HAPPENSTANCE UPON ME THAT THE CURRENT METHOD FOR CALCULATING NUMERICAL VALUES IS PERHAPS NOT IDEAL < 1249166714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1249166732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh, so you've talked to me IRL? :P < 1249166746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, but if that's what you sound like I'll avoid it :P < 1249166749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. "happenstance"? < 1249166755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happenstance. < 1249166764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I exaggerate. < 1249166766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google says "coincidence" < 1249166767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1249166775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shush :P < 1249166776 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRL, I sound like me on IRC. < 1249166785 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only, more vocalising. < 1249166792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" once, IT DID coincidence UPON ME THAT THE CURRENT METHOD FOR CALCULATING NUMERICAL VALUES IS PERHAPS NOT IDEAL" <-- Is it supposed to make sense? < 1249166793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1249166803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just s/happenstance/occur/ < 1249166806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1249166812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmd-return/shift is a nice keycombo for switching apps < 1249166816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like that evil cmd-tab < 1249166820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rsi it doth dole out < 1249166843 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer C-t C-t. < 1249166847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where is the cmd key then exactly? Isn't it the one closest to the space key? < 1249166853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in: ctrl, alt, cmd, space < 1249166854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :control, option, cmd < 1249166856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1249166865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmd and control are longer than option < 1249166879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can cmt-tab be *that* bad then. Ctrl-tab I would have understood better < 1249166890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.circa1978.com/v1/images/mackeyboards_compared.jpg the bottom one < 1249166894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, my hands are small < 1249166898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have my thumb on cmd < 1249166900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my… < 1249166902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next to pinky < 1249166903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finger on tab < 1249166910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twisted < 1249166915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i have to tab multiple times < 1249166922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare to using the bottom of my pinky to hold tab < 1249166926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tapping return/shift < 1249166929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shift goes backwards) < 1249166938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinky on tab :D < 1249166943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1249166945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*next to* < 1249166946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1249166947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to hold cmd < 1249166947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1249166957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could use the other cmd key < 1249166963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but shift would still be a pain < 1249166993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottom of the pinky? Huh. *suggests raising the chair a bit* < 1249167011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, what < 1249167029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if I raised my chair much more, the top of my legs would hit the keyboard stand < 1249167051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, bottom of pinky? Don't you mean the base of the finger, close to where it is attached to the hand, with that? < 1249167055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something else < 1249167058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1249167073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the top of my pinky (i.e. key-hitter) then rests on s < 1249167081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that makes my next finger press down space if I try it on the key next to space here (which is alt) < 1249167082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at that pic of the kb and you get the idea < 1249167094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1249167097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not here < 1249167105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use a home-row orientation < 1249167123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you place your hands then? < 1249167126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variably. < 1249167149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see the pinky manoeuvre (sp??) < 1249167163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(looks more like French to me. bah) < 1249167169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :manoeuvre < 1249167182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, aspell thinks so < 1249167187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: or Maneuver < 1249167190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*maneuver < 1249167197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is more common < 1249167213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, < 1249167213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :manoeuvre - Wiktionary < 1249167214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 Jun 2009 ... From the French noun manoeuvre and verb manoeuvrer, from Old French manovrer, from Vulgar Latin *manuoperare, from Latin manu (“'by hand'”) ... < 1249167215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this aspell dict sucks. it thinks maneuver is invalid < 1249167218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from french, heh < 1249167220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is it british english? < 1249167225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, en_GB yes < 1249167231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think maneuver is American in origin < 1249167235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1249167240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dictionary here rejects it too < 1249167270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to use a dict that things "colorize" is an existing word. < 1249167288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1249167293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. colourise is :P < 1249167301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't reply with something perscriptivist— like that— < 1249167301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in British English < 1249167304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*prescriptivist < 1249167314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why are you talking in modern english? < 1249167319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody just made up those words, too < 1249167326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well right. < 1249167342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION declares jashdflkaeiljahalqjvc to be a word < 1249167355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, if you convince a lot of people to < 1249167356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means: "lets make up a word" < 1249168167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Google: I searched "disable dock leopard", not "disable 3d dock leopard". < 1249168172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuuuuuuuuuck you < 1249168174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/./ < 1249168441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Home Folder, other folders - I will never understand these as I am the only user on my computer. I want everything as close to the main drives as possible." < 1249168441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes, I think instating a law that you only have free speech if you know what the fuck you're talking about would be a good thing. < 1249168493 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: O_O < 1249168496 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WhoTF wrote that? < 1249168508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An idiot whining about idiotic things on some random mac forum I found while googling. < 1249168512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: LART. < 1249168516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another gem: < 1249168519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I guess I get so upset with the braindead design of the function of most of these programs because they have so much potential. Its like you have somebody that does some excellent groundwork, then some illogical, prancing, faggot in drag wants to make things pretty and ruins all the planning of the previous designer who was laying out the groundwork so meticulously. And then the upper management OK's the pretty boy ignoring the logic shown beforehand.]] < 1249168577 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good description of Windows. Except that there's no excellent groundwork. < 1249169017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Todo list: < 1249169019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Obliterate dock < 1249169024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Configure Overflow to my liking < 1249169711 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Todo list: < 1249169718 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Obliterate ehird < 1249169731 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- (Continue to) Configure #esoteric to my liking < 1249169731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : - Configure ehird to my liking < 1249169733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn < 1249169734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1249169762 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would need to invent an "aging and gaying machine" < 1249169770 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("gay" is a transitive verb now?) < 1249169873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I cannot figure out how to fit [23:36] GregorR-L: I would need to invent an "aging and gaying machine" into any sort of context whatsoever. < 1249169880 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1249169895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you're fucking cauliflower, why not use a tractor? < 1249169904 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly! < 1249170521 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1249170611 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1249170615 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the machine is gaying < 1249170618 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its becoming more and more gay < 1249170634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think the machine makes things older and gayer < 1249170646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now how on earth that relates to anything GregorR-L… I have no clue < 1249170674 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249170679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a homogeneous machine? < 1249170684 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: X-D < 1249170693 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's homogenius! < 1249170726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1249170741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:35] ehird: - Configure ehird to my liking < 1249170741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:36] GregorR-L: I would need to invent an "aging and gaying machine" < 1249170748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking + science = COMPREHENSION < 1249170750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it today < 1249170767 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1249170783 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249170791 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not entirely sure why you also want it to be a gaying machine. < 1249170812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh… I'm gonna assume that if, to make someone to your liking, you need to make them more gay, then that makes you gay. < 1249170812 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have peculiar notions of what the definition of "liking" is? :P < 1249170827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's just me, what with my science and all. < 1249170832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you know, even _i_ am close to accepting that logic < 1249170834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENCE↗ < 1249170839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes you go upwards and rightwards. < 1249170841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO THE FUTURE < 1249170860 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't apply the gaying machine to women, I'll have a separate straighting machine if necessary for that. < 1249170868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1249170901 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess choosing between the machines would be a bifurcation < 1249170911 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1249170915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's if he's a furry < 1249170954 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles "bi furry vocation" < 1249170962 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does not actually google that :P < 1249171006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better a bi furry vacation! < 1249171014 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-O < 1249171015 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bi-furry < 1249171038 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my colleagues here is a furry >_> ... it's ... awkward? < 1249171054 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am starting to dislike google's tendency to give hits that don't actually exist in the page < 1249171069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(vocation is nowhere to be seen) < 1249171080 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lamesauce! < 1249171094 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you quote it it won't do that. < 1249171096 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or + it maybe? < 1249171117 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION quotes vocation < 1249171143 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just occurred to me that I'm on a vocation vacation ... I think? < 1249171180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not supposed to think on vacation < 1249171192 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I guess it's not a vacation at all :P