00:00:09 i'm pretty sure i know like a furry or two 00:00:10 indeed 00:02:05 THIS DOTH PISS ME OFF 00:02:13 I just want to get rid of that damn dock >_< 00:02:39 don't be a dick, duck the dock 00:02:40 DOTH IT NOW? 00:02:51 Don't be a dick, dig the dock! :P 00:03:06 ... A GRAVE 00:03:55 * ehird resorts to google searches like "i hate the dock" and "obliterate dock" 00:05:00 `google get rid of mac os x dock 00:05:20 HackEgo is gone?? D-8 00:05:36 yes 00:05:39 has been for N time 00:05:50 GregorR-L: it's mostly just "HURR REMOVE THE REFLECTIVE DOCK" 00:05:54 whereas i want the whole thing gone 00:06:13 -!- HackEgo has joined. 00:06:40 `translateto hu HUR HUR HUR 00:06:48 `translatefromto en hu HUR HUR HUR 00:06:50 HOW HOW HOW 00:06:51 Hur Hur Hur 00:06:53 xD 00:06:55 HOW HOW HOW 00:07:06 `translatefromto hu en HOW HOW HOW 00:07:09 HOW HOW HOW 00:08:04 i don't think W is used much in hungarian 00:08:26 `translatefromto hu en HOGY HOGY HOGY 00:08:28 HOW TO THAT 00:08:41 versatile word, HOGY 00:09:10 `translatefromto hu en HOGY HOGY HOGY HOGY 00:09:12 THAT THAT THAT THAT 00:09:13 `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy, hogy, hogy hogy hogy hogy; hogy! Hogy, hogy. Hogy, hogy hogy. 00:09:15 How to to to to to that, that! How to. How, how. 00:09:38 ??? 00:09:43 xD 00:10:10 Hungarian. Wow. 00:11:22 So if you want to ask someone "how do I do that?" brokenly, you can say "Hogy hogy hogy?". 00:11:40 the "that" is in the conjunction sense, iirc. 00:12:58 not a pronoun 00:13:02 darn 00:13:21 oerjan: "How do I do hard things?" → "Hogy hogy hogy [which is hard]". 00:13:23 i didn't know about the "to" sense 00:13:31 s/"\.$/?"./ 00:13:50 `translatefromto en hu How do I do hard things? 00:13:52 How do I do kemény dolgokat? 00:13:55 I like how "Hogy, hogy hogy" becomes "How, how". 00:14:00 good grief 00:14:02 I'MA JUST IGNORE THIS ONE RIGHT HEERE 00:14:21 `translatefromto en hu that which is hard 00:14:24 , ami kemény 00:14:26 `translatefromto en hu How can I do hard things? 00:14:28 How can I do kemény dolgokat? 00:14:29 `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemény 00:14:31 That is how kemĂŠny 00:14:36 `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny 00:14:38 How hard is that 00:14:40 xD 00:15:18 `addquote `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny How hard is that 00:15:26 57| `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny How hard is that 00:15:59 laughing while drink is in your mouth is hard 00:16:01 true story 00:16:14 well doesn't have to be drinkable 00:16:16 could be any liquid 00:16:29 So, Hungarian is hard to translate. Got it. 00:17:13 `translatefromto en hu How is babby formed? 00:17:15 Hogyan babby alakult? 00:17:30 `translateto hu baby 00:17:32 baba 00:17:40 Hogyan babba alakult? 00:18:50 `translate fromto en hu How hard is that 00:18:52 fromto en hu How hard is that 00:18:52 `translatefromto en hu How hard is that 00:18:55 Mennyire nehéz az, hogy 00:18:57 xD 00:19:02 HOGY HOGY HOGY 00:19:11 Azstal! 00:19:16 What does "hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny" mean? 00:19:22 "az" actually means that, btw 00:19:27 *"that" 00:19:50 `translatefromto en hu Hogy az hogy 00:19:52 Hogy az hogy 00:19:58 `translatefromto hu en Hogy az hogy 00:20:00 How is that 00:20:10 well ami kemeny you already translated. ami is a relative pronoun btw. 00:20:25 `translatefromto hu en Hogy ami hogy kemeny hogy hogy 00:20:27 How hard is that to that 00:20:28 well, "hogyhogy" is an expression of surprise, unrelated to hogy 00:20:37 Azstal: Hahaha 00:20:37 X-D 00:20:37 `translatefromto hu en Hogy az 00:20:39 How the 00:20:42 that just makes it even better 00:20:44 oops 00:21:08 Azstal: so is there anything hogy DOESN'T mean in hungarian? :D 00:21:44 az also is the definite article in front of vowels 00:22:50 ehird: Supercalifragalisticexpialidocious. 00:23:04 :P 00:23:05 *i 00:24:43 beh, someone fix this 00:25:01 -!- M0ny has quit. 00:26:21 `translatefromto hu en Hogy-hogy, hogy érted, hogy "Hogyan"? 00:26:23 How to ĂŠrted "how"? 00:27:07 Non-unicode must DIE. 00:28:09 -!- pikhq has set topic: Society for the Extermination of Non-Unicode Character Sets — http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 00:28:45 pikhq: UTF- 00:28:46 * 00:28:58 -!- ehird has set topic: society for solving the REAL fucking problem — http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 00:29:13 (the REAL fucking problem is usually wanting to do something practical) 00:29:19 ehird: Thou art a dumbass. 00:29:22 -!- pikhq has set topic: Society for the Extermination of Non-Unicode Character Sets — http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 00:29:33 ehird: now _that_ is a topic i simply refuse to believe for this channel 00:29:38 -!- ehird has set topic: society for solving the REAL fucking problem — http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 00:29:49 oerjan: as I said, (the REAL fucking problem is usually wanting to do something practical) 00:30:50 -!- pikhq has set topic: Society for the Extermination of Unicde -- http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 00:30:59 -!- pikhq has set topic: Society for the Extermination of Unicode -- http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 00:31:15 Yeþ. 00:31:30 pikhq: Bad lisp you've got there. 00:31:40 it's not lexically scoped 00:32:11 GregorR-L: Yeþ, I know. 00:33:00 I've alſo got a bad caſe of þe ſ-eþ. 00:54:12 Boo. 01:13:26 -!- coppro has joined. 01:15:02 coppro: you need to uninstall CUPS, quick! 01:15:20 ehird: haha 01:15:20 So, I feel like learning Parsec. Let's see about writing, oh, an IRC parser. 01:15:27 coppro: Apple make it!! 01:15:32 pikhq: barely anything to lawn 01:15:34 ... 01:15:35 learn 01:15:49 ehird: Eh, yeah. 01:16:05 Probably won't take me long to write this parser. 01:16:51 Heck, might not be hard to make it a full client or some such. 01:17:10 Using gtk2hs! 01:24:32 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:31:56 Okay, so I think I adore Parsec. 01:35:58 you know what's fun? 01:36:09 compiling a big project with libstdc++'s pedantic mode 01:36:32 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 01:36:44 hmm... does there exist a langage where operator precedence is determined by whitespace? 01:36:57 yes 01:37:00 merd, for instance 01:37:12 -!- ehird has quit. 01:50:33 -!- Azstal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:51:07 There is even at least one pseudo-real language, Fortress. 02:14:18 -!- immibis has joined. 02:56:19 Has anyone had the following error compiling the Linux kernel, and does anyone know how to fix it? "/(path)/linux-2.6.30.4/usr/Makefile:50: *** target pattern contains no '%'. Stop." 02:56:54 That's bizarre ... make --version? 03:04:23 GNU Make 3.81 03:07:58 The line is "$(deps_initramfs):" (which seems rather pointless) 03:08:02 Well, that answers nothing :) 03:08:25 commenting out that line causes the same error on "$(deps_initramfs): klibcdirs" (which also seems pointless as it could be combined with the previous line) 03:09:33 is there a way i can have make output the value of deps_initramfs? 03:10:00 which also does not seem to be set anywhere (???) 03:10:41 the path does not contain : (since googling told me that would cause the problem) 03:12:22 * GregorR-L reappears 03:12:26 Not a clue, can't help 03:13:26 immibis: echo? 03:13:37 pooppy: In a makefile? 03:14:53 (A makefile which won't load because it has above mentioned weird error) 03:16:11 make -d 03:20:39 GregorR-L: why not? 03:21:06 it will execute arbitrary commands; echo seems like a perfect candidate 03:21:13 Because ... the makefile won't load? So it wouldn't actually run the echo line, no matter where you put it? 03:50:02 -!- Gracenotes has changed nick to Soushokuon. 03:55:29 -!- augur has joined. 04:29:31 -!- GregorR-L has quit ("Leaving"). 04:44:31 -!- kar8nga has joined. 04:55:40 -!- Halph has joined. 04:55:52 -!- coppro has quit (Nick collision from services.). 04:56:00 -!- Halph has changed nick to coppro. 04:57:21 interesting... fair dealing, while less braod in Canada, is considered a right, not a defense 04:58:24 In the US, the precedent is that fair use is the only reason copyright law is constitutional. 04:59:06 yes, but in the US it's considered a defense, not a right, so you cannot, for instance, sue for restriction of fair use 04:59:23 Ah. 04:59:32 whereas apparently in Canada it is actually a right, so in theory you could sue for restriction of it 04:59:34 I wish you could. 04:59:46 though I'd have to read the SCC judgment 05:00:00 Unfortunately, the only way to do that would be massive copyright reform -- and while we're at it, we may as well fix all the rest. 05:00:14 Which would make that much less needed. 05:03:15 ah, it's pretty explicit "The fair dealing exception, like other exceptions in the Copyright Act, is a user’s right." 05:04:26 though it doesn't mean you could necessarily sue over it 05:17:06 as a practical matter, courts tend to very strongly support the status quo interpretation of laws and the interests of property and rights holders against legal theories (even sensible ones) that would tend to disrupt them. 05:20:02 yes, but the text I quoted is directly from an SCC ruling 05:21:30 so, how do you make use of it? 05:21:48 is the idea that you could attack DRM with it? 05:22:19 yes, in theory 05:22:25 if it was stupidly restrictive 05:22:38 find a lawyer who could start a class action suit on behalf of consumers with the tort being that their property right of fair dealing was taken? 05:24:57 I'm not saying it's likely 05:25:21 im honestly interested, the 'use the system against itself' style reform often has a better chance of success (copyleft in general has worked well for isntance) 05:26:04 are you Canadian? 05:26:36 no, citizen of the world, fighting for information freedom everywhere (*gives the EFF salute*) 05:26:41 heh 05:27:01 you know what's funny that I just realized? 05:27:25 -!- kar8nga has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 05:27:29 ? 05:27:50 suppose you brought this against a record company. In Canada, it's not illegal yet to circumvent protection measures. So they could probably defend themselves by bringing that up. But they're probably too arrogant to do so. 05:28:32 although they don't have good standing with the Canadian courts 05:29:51 -!- kar8nga has joined. 05:37:13 GregorR: You remember your odd experiments with Javascript 3D rendering? 05:37:18 http://deanm.github.com/pre3d/monster.html You just got one-upped. 05:39:03 -!- Soushokuon has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:41:26 -!- Soushokuon has joined. 05:59:33 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 06:35:02 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 06:55:31 im trying to find my copy of the classic 'information theory and its engineering applications' book, but the entropy of my house is too high for me to uncover the signal 06:57:29 alas, it is well known that decreasing entropy in a system requires applying work to it 06:58:11 well stated. 06:59:33 i have an interesting related theorem i believe 07:00:01 again, without work to replenish, the information content of bookshelves decreases, because ONLY THE BOOKS YOU ACTUALLY USE will ever be 'lost' from them 07:00:22 all of the books that you never take off the shelf just stay there, but every book you actually take off the shelf has a finite positive chance of loss 07:01:01 just as long as you don't get book worms 07:01:44 yes, as always its hard to nail down those boundary conditions precisely 07:02:11 completely loss due to fire does indeed have a way of inverting the situation, where only the books checked OUT from the libarary might be preserved 07:02:28 if everyone who checked out books from the library of alexandria had stolen them, would we be better off>? 07:03:00 * mycroftiv returns to bookshelf and bookpile rummaging 07:04:03 a very hypatical question 07:07:13 true, although given the 'doesnt remove the original' aspect of digital data, as a thought experiment it gives the pro-piracy argument some moral force in terms of 'we are acting to preserve data for future generations, in the large scale, despite our self-interested motives of the moment' 07:11:54 sometime last year i spent an entire day retracing my steps of the previous day to find this EXACT book, which i had left sitting on the grass where i had been reading it in a park 07:12:05 something about this particularly treasured volume makes it try to escape from me! 07:24:11 -!- augur has joined. 07:45:48 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:08:12 -!- Soushokuon has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 08:08:50 -!- Soushokuon has joined. 08:10:43 -!- Pthing has joined. 08:22:29 -!- Soushokuon has changed nick to Notes_d-agrement. 08:31:41 -!- Dewio has joined. 08:44:34 -!- Dewi has quit (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)). 08:57:35 -!- immibis has quit ("I cna ytpe 300 wrods pre mniuet!!!"). 09:27:14 -!- Notes_d-agrement has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 09:34:28 -!- coppro has quit (Remote closed the connection). 10:34:06 -!- Apoyaturas has joined. 10:41:12 -!- Judofyr_ has joined. 10:56:50 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 11:07:34 -!- FireFly has joined. 12:13:44 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 12:26:00 -!- Judofyr_ has changed nick to Judofyr. 12:32:55 -!- ehird has joined. 12:34:32 [[Actually, all bullshit aside, I do have an idea for an application that will (edit legally) put money in your bank account every time you press a button in Firefox. 12:34:33 However, I don't have the skills to write such an application (which would be nothing more than an adaptation of existing open source software), so I'm keeping my mouth shut until I save 12:34:33 up a grand or so to rent a coder. Or find a genuine interested party that would be willing to sign an agreement, write the code and split the profits with me - a 30% me /60% you /10% overhead split would be generous, I believe.]] 12:34:33 I so hope this idiot tries to sell whatever it is, that'd just be hilarious 12:39:51 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 12:44:29 "We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?" 12:44:30 — Sony CEO on the PS3 13:30:00 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 14:06:27 "The choice of power cord one makes to transmit AC over the final feet to a component has the potential to be the most influential sonic link in a music system's power chain." 14:06:27 — lol, audiophiles 14:08:20 they pretty much admit it's magic 14:08:23 even to themselves 14:11:22 yep 14:11:51 anyone who cares about that stuff should just read http://hydrogenaudio.org/ (where they use crazy things like logic and the scientific method) and be done with it 14:11:57 i used to, to a degree 14:11:59 don't really any more 14:15:28 -!- M0ny has joined. 14:25:41 -!- ais523 has joined. 14:32:03 hi 14:33:02 hi 14:41:41 this is a rather vacuous conversation, isn't it? 14:41:51 8 minutes of nothing but whitespace... 14:43:49 14:55:57 14:56:34 hello ais523 14:56:37 hi 15:27:50 In[6]:= Sum[i, {i, 0, n}] 15:27:50 Out[6]= 1/2 n (1 + n) 15:27:50 In[7]:= Sum[i, {i, 1, n}] 15:27:50 Out[7]= 1/2 n (1 + n) 15:27:52 Dear Mathematica: 15:27:54 What? 15:27:56 Love, 15:27:58 — oh, wait. 15:28:01 God, I'm stupid today. 15:28:07 I need to sleep better. 15:28:11 I've been the dumb recently. 15:28:17 i see. 15:28:31 puzzlet: lucky you aren't blind 15:29:28 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 15:41:24 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 16:00:06 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 16:37:02 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 17:10:05 -!- Judofyr has quit (Remote closed the connection). 17:18:28 -!- coppro has joined. 17:28:54 -!- oerjan has joined. 17:52:58 -!- Judofyr has joined. 17:58:26 -!- Judofyr has quit (Remote closed the connection). 17:59:20 -!- Asztal has joined. 18:17:28 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Nick collision from services.). 18:18:01 -!- MigoMipo_ has joined. 18:18:11 -!- MigoMipo_ has quit (Remote closed the connection). 18:19:04 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 18:23:33 -!- Judofyr has joined. 18:44:55 19:15:27 -!- Judofyr has quit (Remote closed the connection). 19:17:14 wtf is with the quiet 19:17:20 everyone going to church or something :D 19:17:26 I'm busy playing pokemon, zzo38-style 19:17:28 although not on IRC 19:18:20 ais523: but still text based? :P 19:18:29 more or less 19:18:38 there's a couple of small graphics in the corner, to make it look more graphical 19:18:41 but the text log is the useful bit 19:18:50 ais523: what is this, exactly? 19:18:58 Shoddy Battle, it's a pokemon simulator 19:19:10 ic 19:19:46 ais523: i'd just use an emulator and that thingy that uses a networked computer as a connected second gameboy :-P 19:20:25 simulators are better for practice, because you don't have to catch the pokemon first; you can request any pokemon that it's theoretically possible to get, no matter how unlikely 19:21:26 ais523: emulators come with hex-editing thingamajic 19:21:26 s 19:21:28 s/\ns/s/ 19:21:30 I think that's how NetBattle (presumably the 'pocket monster IRC' that zzo38 used) works 19:21:31 admittedly, more of a fuss 19:21:34 but more realistic 19:21:35 ehird: also more illegal 19:21:41 ais523: erm, no 19:21:48 editing some bits in memor yisn't illegal 19:21:52 no, but the emulator is 19:21:57 ais523: No, it's not. 19:22:01 Emulation is not illegal. 19:22:01 because it implies you have an illegal copy of pokemon 19:22:03 emulators are legal; the game images may not be 19:22:06 No it does not, ais523. 19:22:10 it's the game image I was talking about 19:22:25 (a) you could make a device to read it from a cartridge (b) You *already paid for it/ 19:22:30 s/\/$/*/ 19:22:36 ais523: also, zzo made that himself, like everything 19:22:40 depends on copyright law in your country 19:22:57 ehird: ah, ok 19:23:08 if it turns out zzo38 invented NetBattle, I'll really laugh my head out 19:23:14 although, more likely it was a different one 19:24:09 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 19:28:31 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 19:28:56 -!- oerjan has quit ("Rebus"). 19:45:27 -!- jix has joined. 20:03:43 -!- upyr[emacs] has joined. 20:13:09 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 20:26:00 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 20:50:45 -!- olsner has joined. 20:59:10 -!- Pthing has joined. 21:15:57 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:24:15 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 21:32:25 -!- augur has joined. 21:39:45 Hi augur. 21:39:50 A naugur. 21:45:02 draft-n wifi can transfer an uncompressed 1920x1200 screenshot over tcp/ip in 0.70s 21:45:06 sweet 21:45:25 add a bit of compression and use a single-purpose protocol and you're pretty close to having a wireless screen 21:45:58 60hz needs 0.01s 21:46:10 compression, you could easily get like 0.3s 21:46:23 single purpose, well the maximum theoretical throughput is like >400mbit 21:46:28 so if we say 400mbit 21:46:52 that's 0.08s 21:47:43 = 12.5 fps 21:47:54 and i'm sure there's faster protocols than wireless.n 21:48:09 s/wireless\.n/draft-n wifi/ 22:00:31 -!- M0ny has quit. 22:05:54 Well, that DisplayLink thing does 1920x1200 over USB 2; and WirelessUSB/UWB say they can provide the equivalent 480 Mbit/s for 3 meters. 22:08:05 -!- pikhq has joined. 22:19:38 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 22:19:46 -!- Apoyaturas has changed nick to Gracenotes. 22:32:07 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 22:34:51 -!- oerjan has joined. 22:44:04 In 2008, DisplayLink announced the first Wireless USB products powered by their technology. To date they have announced products or partnerships with Wireless USB technology vendors Alereon[8], Realtek[9], and WiQuest[10]. 22:44:06 lol 22:44:29 In May 2009, DisplayLink launched its second semiconductor product family, the DL-125, DL-165, and DL-195 USB 2.0 graphics devices. This DL-1x5 family brings improved performance, an increase in maximum resolution to 2048x1152, and the integration of a DVI transmitter and video DAC. The first products to ship with the new DL-1x5 chips were the Samsung Lapfit LD190G and LD220G monitors.[12] 22:45:00 * oerjan doesn't understand enough to know why that is a lol 22:45:04 fizzie: but can it handle 60fps/sec always? 22:45:15 oerjan: it's exactly what fizzie's just said, except already thought of 22:45:31 An upcoming 1.1 specification will increase speed to 1 Gbit/s and working frequencies up to 6 GHz. 22:45:31 —[[Wireless USB]] 22:46:17 -!- pikhq has joined. 22:52:46 They don't much talk about framerates, but since some form of compression is involved, it might have a bit unstable worst-case behaviour. 22:53:39 I mean, their marketing literature is the typical "DisplayLink DL2+ adaptive compression scheme ensures a highly interactive, ultra low latency user experience that is nearly indistinguishable from a traditional monitor connection", but the terms "ultra low" and "nearly" aren't defined anywhere. 22:55:34 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 22:55:49 -!- pikhq has quit (Nick collision from services.). 22:55:59 -!- pikhq_ has changed nick to pikhq. 22:57:13 Single-link DVI (which is enough for 1920x1200 at 60 Hz) data-carrying bandwidth is 3.96 Gbit/s, apparently, so that's what it takes to push an unmodified DVI signal through. (165 MHz clock, one pixel/clock, 24 bits per pixel.) 22:57:24 mm 22:57:34 that's a lot of gbits. 22:57:55 USB 3 will do 4.8 Gbit/s, they say. 22:58:02 fizzie: but ehh how much is that just blargh metadata 22:58:06 *of that is 22:58:38 i sleep now that i slashed it up! so everybody could get down wit this slang teenagers use now. nice talk. then again, reality is usually more clumsy than what? 22:59:18 fizzie: shut up, fungot 22:59:18 ehird: very little requires lap hackery.) in a function name and arguments as opposed to fnord 22:59:24 fungot: i said shut up 22:59:25 ehird: " i went and implemented them.)) be considered a pattern comprising a subset of l(lbas)), not y. 22:59:36 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.5.1/20090715094852]"). 22:59:50 Lap-hackery sounds a bit indecent. Sort of a mixture of a lap-dance and hacking. (Okay, really gone now.) 23:00:35 fizzie: oh, "i sleep now" 23:00:36 was like 23:00:38 actually sleeping 23:00:44 fizzie: you should make it a /quit script 23:01:59 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 23:02:44 -!- pikhq has joined. 23:09:38 god.. sometimes reading stackoverflow, it seems the stupid is seeping into my head. make it stop ;_; 23:12:15 i believe there is a button on your computer that will make it stop. it may have symbol something like a circle interrupted with a crossing bar at the top. 23:13:23 hm, I should try that sometime. but I think I've already solved it by clicking on an orange square with a white x through it. 23:13:44 that may work too 23:13:53 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 23:14:14 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Client Quit). 23:17:06 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 23:17:18 Gracenotes: why would you ever read stackoverflow? 23:18:00 boredom. getting consensus of general developer community. lolling. 23:18:21 but nowadays it's depressing me 23:18:58 -!- jix has joined. 23:19:30 Gracenotes: stack overflow is the retarded cousin of the "general developer community" 23:19:33 so for the second, you basically find herding cats too unchallenging? 23:20:38 ehird: it is my unfounded opinion that it is actually a pretty accurate cross-section 23:20:45 your opinion sucks 23:21:08 no u 23:23:57 ehird: so anyway, you're saying most developers are smarter than those on SO? 23:25:00 no, I'm just saying that SO sucks :P 23:25:52 IS THIS SO! 23:27:18 (no. THIS. IS. *is stabbed*) 23:27:56 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 23:29:45 i have just deduced the consensus of all life forms. it appears to be "breed furiously by cell division" 23:31:13 there were some giant forms suggesting something called "sex", but they were such a tiny minority they could just be ignored. 23:31:38 Yeah well fuck bacterias 23:31:53 We can nuke everything away if we want to 23:31:53 So shut up 23:32:37 i am doubtful of that. 23:32:52 there are apparently life forms deep in the earth's crust 23:36:35 we could probably nuke them too 23:40:00 okay... Ubuntu update time.. this will be a painful 2 days... *prepares to take it like a man* 23:40:52 -!- pikhq_ has changed nick to pikhq. 23:41:10 YEAH LET'S DO THIS 23:41:17 oerjan: Not to mention the bottom of the ocean. 23:41:24 And in orbit. 23:41:32 Gracenotes: Two days? 23:41:46 This is a new variant of Ubuntu of which I was not previously aware. 23:41:57 Specifically, where updating to the next release takes two days, not an hour. 23:42:11 I haven't really ever read Stackoverflow. 23:42:19 ehird: probably. I'm doing two OS version updates, plus the hundreds of libraries I've needed to update for some time, and all over wireless. 23:42:26 so, basically Gracenotes 23:42:30 I shall read it, and soon after become homicidal. 23:42:31 you disabled the automatic update daemon 23:42:43 and neglected to upgrade for a major release 23:42:48 question, Gracenotes 23:42:52 why are you stupid? 23:42:58 stfu. I stuck with 8.04 because it was convenient, and stable. 23:43:08 It sure is looking convenient now. 2 days, cool cool. 23:43:09 no motivation to update. 23:43:18 Similarly, I'm using Windows 3.11. 23:43:25 After all, it has an IRC client. 23:43:29 but now there is an app-need-threshold 23:43:37 You are apparently used to Windows. Which updates once every decade. 23:43:51 ehird: lots of people use 8.04. I AM PROUD TO BE ONE OF THEM 23:44:00 I AM PROUD TO HAVER UPPERCASE LETTERS 23:44:05 "Avoid recursion". 23:44:13 MURDER, I WRITE. 23:44:27 pikhq: Recursion -is- low level, but that's probably not what they meant. 23:44:30 Gracenotes: Anyway, doesn't excuse ignoring the "HEY, YOU, UPDATE THESE PACKAGES" icon. 23:44:38 That takes 5 minutes, tops. Click, click, ignore. 23:44:41 ehird: eh? I update packages regularly. 23:44:47 "plus the hundreds of libraries I've needed to update for some time" 23:44:56 yes, because they are not available with this OS 23:45:09 ehird: For a recursive-decent parser in a C-oid language. 23:45:11 I will never understand people who don't upgrade regularly. 23:45:26 I do fucking update my libraries regularly, but some of the latest versions are not available for 8.04 23:45:30 Gracenotes, why are you dumb? 23:45:34 pikhq: maybe if you're parsing a 2 gig file consisting ((((…()…)))) 23:45:41 Gracenotes: I meant the OS, too. 23:45:48 well, I didn't. 23:45:51 Embrace the package manager. 23:45:57 It's really silly to disregard new OS updates because, on the face of it, you don't need anything in them. 23:46:06 what are you all talking about. I use the update manager regularly. 23:46:09 THIS IS SLANDER 23:46:14 Gracenotes: … 23:46:16 Then what are you doing? 23:46:20 Upgrading your faeries? 23:46:22 No, the OS. 23:46:50 aptitude update;aptitude safe-upgrade -- is that hard to get? 23:47:00 pikhq: Nononono 23:47:04 Use the upgrade manager in Ubuntu. 23:47:15 pikhq: again, I effectively do that 23:47:22 Gracenotes: Stop breaking things. 23:47:24 That's bad. 23:47:26 ehird: For upgrading major versions, sure. 23:47:28 You shouldn't do bad things. 23:47:30 pikhq: That's what he's doing. 23:47:34 the aptitude update does not include the OS. 23:47:54 True. "aptitude update" (a) is using aptitude, which is silly and (b) updates the list of packages. 23:47:58 It doesn't upgrade anything. 23:48:10 (I'm a bastard because I care, I swear.) 23:48:15 you are aware that all Ubuntu versions use different repositories? Hence package upgrading is implied in OS upgrade? 23:48:23 for some (not all) packages? 23:48:42 What you're saying is completely true and utterly irrelevant to anything I'm saying. 23:49:03 Gracenotes: Yes, but that's beside the point. UPGRADE AT MAJOR VERSIONS. 23:49:19 We're such angry defenders of the One True Way of computing. 23:49:19 yeah yeah, that's what I'm doing 23:49:21 We need a team name. 23:49:28 Like… the GOOD COMPUTERIZORS. 23:49:28 When it updates. 23:49:30 Hmm. No. 23:49:36 Not a year after. 23:49:58 it was new when it came out. it's called complacency, and IT IS OKAY! *makes peace sign* 23:50:00