00:00:28 well. some palindromers actually use *initials*, so i guess a htu or two might do. 00:00:44 meanburrito920: But 'lane' isn't even in here! 00:00:56 Hyuk hyuk hyuk. 00:01:43 oh wait, so is this basically about everyone getting together and writing brainfuck? 00:01:53 hah 00:01:54 meanburrito920: Not just Brainfuck. 00:01:57 we have uhh 00:02:02 well some of us are esolang snobs 00:02:04 And only nominally. 00:02:04 and brainfuck is kinda old. 00:02:11 !help 00:02:16 meanburrito920: but mostly we talk about everything because offtopicness is a virtu 00:02:16 e 00:02:17 EgoBot is on codu, codu is down. 00:02:25 MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH GregorR-L 00:02:28 Really, we're guys with a fondness of esolangs that talk about almost everything but esolangs. :P 00:02:34 pretty much 00:02:41 Emphasis on "guys" >_> 00:02:44 much pretty 00:02:51 Hey, we've had like two girls! 00:02:57 at least 3 00:03:00 by mistake 00:03:05 Sukoshi, that weed-smoker mathematician person recently who was here for, like, minutes 00:03:07 except i guess one of them was me 00:03:08 (two items that) 00:03:12 oklopol: HAH 00:03:16 oklopol: So you admit it! 00:03:29 it's your word against mine 00:03:40 oklopol: What, you were once a pre-op or some such? 00:04:02 pikhq: not that i know of 00:04:11 oklopol: no I always said it was you 00:04:15 and you just admitted it was you :P 00:04:17 pikhq: "hotidlerchick" 00:04:24 ehird: Ah. 00:04:30 220V on nipples! 00:04:32 i've admitted it tons of times, then unadmitted it again 00:04:35 oklopol: ... That you *know* of? 00:04:45 pikhq: oklopol can't even remember if he's ever had drugs in his life. 00:05:03 Clearly oklopol lives in a land of memory modification devices. 00:05:03 pikhq: i have no idea how i was her. 00:05:17 i had, some of them are quite cool 00:05:29 actually i have a pretty good memory 00:05:31 nooga: I've had... Caffeine, alcohol. 00:05:38 Aren't I less-than-creative. 00:05:48 i don't count caffeine and alcohol as drugs 00:06:05 why not alcohol, iirc weed is less dangerous than alcohol 00:06:07 oklopol: What *do* you count as drugs? 00:06:10 reason simply being that they usually aren't called that. i have had both 00:06:21 ... They generally are, actually. 00:06:27 no 00:06:27 pikhq: anything that gives you a high, except alcohol 00:06:33 not colloquially 00:06:34 pikhq: in some contexts 00:06:36 oklopol: so... everything? 00:06:36 yes 00:06:40 oklopol: That is a crap definition. 00:06:44 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:06:46 eh 00:06:54 god i hate you people 00:07:00 ehird: no. 00:07:08 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 00:07:13 We're programmers and mathematicians. What do you expect, anti-pedantry? 00:07:14 pikhq: yes. including alcohol would be better. but it's usually not included. 00:07:15 IME people on weed are fun to talk to 00:07:21 but people on alcohol are mostly fools 00:07:48 pikhq: pedantry about things you can be more creatively pedantic about than just spout the same fucking bullshit year after year 00:08:06 IMHO thc is nice, but i don't do it much, acid is awful, amphetamine is like coffee^200, huh... alcohol is stupid, nicotine is even worse 00:08:15 not referring to you in particular, i just know exactly what's to pedantize about this drug definition thing. 00:08:23 ehird: People with a dosage of alcohol that actually... Does anything? Yeah, that's just painful. 00:08:39 oklopol: So, more-or-less saying "That's old and tired. Could we move on?"? 00:08:42 ehird: i will count water as a drug in situations where someone manages to get a high off of it. 00:08:48 alcohol always intoxicates but yeah a beer or two doesn't affect most people 00:08:50 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:09:01 ehird: You know what I meant. ;) 00:09:04 pikhq: something like that. 00:09:12 i don't even see a point to drinking alcoholic drinks if you're not trying to get drunk tbh 00:09:20 well i guess some people might think they like the taste 00:09:27 ehird: erm 00:09:38 i like interesting tastes 00:09:42 that basically means i like bad tastes 00:09:45 Some people actually do enjoy the taste. 00:09:49 ehird: have you tried at least once? 00:09:58 pikhq: i think there's an element of cultural conditioning tbh 00:09:59 i would love alcoholfree vodka 00:10:07 yuck 00:10:07 good things happen around alcohol → alcohol is good 00:10:11 → alcohol tastes good 00:10:16 that would be so hc 00:10:23 good (expensive) vodka has no taste and smell 00:10:30 and it's cool 00:10:32 yeah 00:10:35 expensive water that makes you stupid 00:10:36 well i'm talking about the crappy ones that taste like death 00:10:38 ehird: There's an element of cultural conditioning in most aesthetic preferences. 00:10:38 and kills your cognitive functions 00:10:39 vodka with taste is awful 00:10:40 sounds AWESOME 00:10:50 pikhq: true. alcoholic drinks mostly taste like shit though :P 00:10:56 (am I a nerd for calling "flavor" an aesthetic preference?) 00:11:05 ehird: What have you tried? 00:11:12 ehird: wait untill your gf will break up with you 00:11:14 not much, i don't even recall much 00:11:21 don't have any inclination 00:11:28 oh, excuse me, i doubt you'll ever find oen 00:11:31 one 00:11:39 that was one helluva zinger 00:11:42 Totally. 00:11:55 nooga: Are you really such a pathetic person that the only way you can solve emotional problems is by killing your higher brain functions? 00:12:11 sometimes it's necessary 00:12:19 girls are a lot easier to pick up while sober 00:12:22 *sometimes* 00:12:25 And I thought I was pathetic. 00:12:25 That's a convincing argument nooga. 00:12:27 it's getting them drunk that matters 00:12:39 oklopol: correct 00:12:42 You need to get shitfaced when your gf breaks up with you Pathetic You have to do it sometimes!! 00:13:14 anyway i'll go do some sleeping now, you stop picking on nooga, mean mean boys 00:13:15 ok! 00:13:16 -> 00:14:02 nooga first. 00:14:14 He *really* needs to stop picking on himself. It's just pathetic. 00:14:14 :P 00:14:25 nooga: so what's your logic for me never getting a girlfriend, i'm curious 00:14:34 i can think of several hilariously stupid possible answers 00:14:50 and uncountably infinitely many unstupid ones, but I wouldn't expect you to hit one :P 00:14:52 i'd pick one of that answers 00:15:04 (stupid ones) 00:15:57 btw. 'night 00:17:36 ehird: You are to die in half an hour. 00:17:46 pikhq: err, what? 00:18:08 pikhq: ? 00:18:24 ehird: I refuse to specify in which reference frame that amount of time is accurate. 00:18:35 how did you find my death note :( 00:18:36 It is unlikely that it is yours. 00:18:39 pikhq: and, uh, what prompted this 00:18:52 ehird: Logic for you never getting a girlfriend. 00:18:56 oh 00:19:21 Asztal: Just borrowing it; I've got a few world leaders to deal with. 00:20:18 knowing my luck i'll end up betting tons of money that i'll have a girlfriend one day to someone and then realise i'm gay straight after 00:20:28 ("gay straight" ← unintentional) 00:21:11 then just get a gf for the money 00:22:01 or does it need to be real love like in the movie 00:22:05 lol 00:22:09 lawl 00:22:28 wall 00:24:25 hmm right -> 00:27:00 Hmm left <- 00:29:13 ***Using Yahoo Mail? If this message appears empty, try forwarding it to a non-Yahoo mail account. Your answer is there..we promise!*** 00:29:18 What can cause that? 00:33:17 um spam? 00:34:37 GregorR-L: practicing? :D 00:34:46 *practising 00:35:07 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 00:37:29 No, I was just about to turn left -> 00:45:51 meanburrito920, it wasn't spam 00:46:14 Oh, Yahoo thinks it's spam? 00:52:07 -!- augur has joined. 00:53:45 -!- jix has quit ("Lost terminal"). 00:53:52 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:54:47 hi oerjan 00:55:19 morn morn 00:56:31 Evening. 00:56:45 $TIME_OF_DAY_USED_AS_GREETING 00:56:53 butts 00:57:08 trees of walt 00:57:23 * pikhq watches the earthrise 00:58:35 jump the shark, jump the shark, jump the hobo, hobo shark 01:00:15 i'll have you know this shark is no hobo, it owns a considerable amount of ocean real estate. you just happen to be in the middle of its hunting ground, in fact. 01:00:34 yummy delicious seafaring real estate agents 01:00:51 Q: What's a real estate agent in second life? ? 01:00:51 A: FAKE ESTATE!! 01:01:22 brilliant, mr. hird 01:01:35 A HURD OF HURDS 01:01:40 But I'm . 01:02:22 the god of hurds, hirds and hordes 01:02:26 Mr Hird, how does it feel to be referred to in a mutually recursive acronym? 01:02:40 I spit on Richard Stallman and his thousand microkernel penises. 01:02:41 (namely, a Hird of Unix Replacing Daemons) 01:02:46 also hoards 01:05:55 night 01:19:31 http://www.fullmoon.nu/articles/art.php?id=tal, http://www.fullmoon.nu/Resurrection/PrimarySpecies.html 01:19:49 -!- pikhq has quit ("leaving"). 01:24:27 -!- meanburrito920 has quit ("Leaving"). 01:25:26 -!- coppro has quit ("The only thing I know is that I know nothing"). 01:27:58 -!- pikhq has joined. 01:30:17 -!- coppro has joined. 01:33:29 -!- augur_ has joined. 01:33:29 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 01:41:27 the future's gonna be cool. 01:41:42 ... 01:48:45 -!- GregorR-L has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:49:14 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:49:14 -!- GregorR has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:52:13 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 01:52:13 -!- GregorR has joined. 01:52:16 -!- Halph has joined. 01:52:21 -!- coppro has quit (Connection reset by peer). 01:52:21 -!- Halph has changed nick to coppro. 01:53:04 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 02:02:25 -!- EgoBot has joined. 02:02:32 -!- HackEgo has joined. 02:03:57 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 02:13:24 -!- augur_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 02:13:37 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:32:35 GOD DAMMIT INTERNET IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY SEND ALL OF MY PACKETS THROUGH‽‽‽ 02:32:43 tcp has error correction for a reason 02:33:03 IM NOT EVEN ASKING FOR 100 MBITS/SEC, IM ONLY ASKING FOR YOU TO STOP DROPPING CONNECTIONS ENTIRELY 02:33:18 A MOTHERFUCKING SMOKE SIGNAL NETWORK WOULD BE BETTER 02:33:39 ehird: I have been unable to use HTTP for nearly 4 hours now. 02:33:52 lawl 02:33:53 I can only retain a connection to *some* IRC networks. 02:34:01 And I can't log into IM. 02:35:17 I would rather have 800 baud over this shit. At least 800 baud gets your connections through. 02:35:56 -!- ehird has quit. 02:37:52 pikhq: have you called them? 02:37:56 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:46:43 -!- upyr[ema` has joined. 02:46:51 coppro: I don't know how to contact them. Satellite Internet; their phone number is not in the phone book. 02:47:04 I'd look it up online, but I DONT HAVE TCP. 02:47:18 I do 02:47:48 Also, it would be a bad idea for me to be on the phone. 02:47:57 I think I would start with death threats and go from there. 02:48:19 WHO THE FUCK RUNS AN ISP THAT CANT EVEN GET TCP THROUGH‽ 02:49:34 whoever runs your ISP? 02:50:02 I'm going to go dropkick the modem. 02:50:07 And maybe the satellite dish after that. 02:50:31 -!- pikhq has quit ("WHO RUNS AN ISP THAT WONT LET TCP GO THROUGH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?:!?!?A"). 02:54:55 -!- pikhq has joined. 02:56:24 any luck? 02:56:54 Not particularly. 02:57:13 Inexplicably, the only host I can reliably connect to is Freenode. 02:57:26 -!- augur has joined. 02:59:04 it's a plot 02:59:29 obviously to advance, you need to contact your ISP 02:59:32 stupid linear games :{ 03:02:12 -!- upyr[emacs] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:19:12 -!- upyr[ema` has quit (Remote closed the connection). 03:27:17 I discovered today that you can make ties on zazzle.com 03:27:23 So I made a tie of ECA rule 110 03:27:31 But they're $30/ea :( 03:28:22 I can get ten ties for that price >_> 03:31:30 But it would be a tie of a cellular automaton. 03:33:54 I nose! 03:33:58 That's why it's so sweetsauce 03:34:08 (I also made one of rule 30) 03:36:37 I'm also mid deciding whether to become a shirt-and-tie guy :P 03:36:47 Ahah. 03:36:58 The problem is I have a bunch of awesome T-Shirts, which would be utterly useless in that case. 03:37:12 But my T-Shirts are all white or black, and my button-up shirts are more colorful. 03:37:19 (As are my ties) 03:38:01 -!- CESSMASTER has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 03:38:21 I suggest that you wear T-shirts whenever possible. 03:38:27 If you do not, then you will have grown up. 03:38:36 And as we all know, that is a sad, sad thing. 03:38:37 :P 03:38:47 Dude, I'm in CS. 03:38:51 Everybody wears T-Shirts. 03:38:59 Oh, right. 03:39:00 That's why I don't want to just wear T-shirts any more. 03:39:15 Wearing a shirt and tie is weirdsauce for somebody in CS research :P 03:39:33 See if you can push the casual bounds even further and don't wear shirts? :P 03:39:35 Besides, it's not grown up if it's a fuchsia shirt with a gold tie ^^ 03:39:54 Yeah, my flabby torso is totally for public viewing :P 03:40:02 You see? 03:58:01 http://www.zazzle.com/rule_110_tie-151701718082685707 04:09:22 -!- CESSMASTER has joined. 04:38:33 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 04:44:07 thats anugly tie. 04:44:07 if only because of the color. 04:44:07 if it were dark grey and black that'd be different. 04:44:10 and i'd wear one. if i have a need for ties. 04:45:10 If it was dark grey and black I sure as hell wouldn't wear one. 04:45:17 This will go with any of my fuchsia shirts. 04:45:23 oh god 04:45:25 D: 04:45:32 what kind of fuschia? 04:45:37 does it have a nice pattern? 04:45:37 Well, lesse ... 04:45:41 or is it just flat? 04:45:47 No, my shirts are mostly solid colors. 04:45:53 lame 04:45:57 I have four fuchsia shirts, so "it" is not very specific :P 04:46:03 For some reason fuchsia shirts at goodwill always fit me. 04:46:12 GregorR-L: I appreciate your lack of taste. 04:46:17 ^^ 04:46:26 and he lacks your appreciation of taste! 04:46:45 I have a lime green shirt and bright red tie I'll be wearing to the IBM "picnic" :P 04:46:59 oh you work for ibm ey? 04:47:00 right 04:47:02 whereabouts? 04:47:05 new york? 04:47:14 Only temporarily, and in New Yawk, yea. 04:47:21 I'm on loan from Purdue. 04:49:04 white plains, is it? 04:49:15 Yup 04:49:20 fine 04:49:45 Or rather, Westchester County, as far as I understand White Plains is one town/village/something in Westchester County, but the IBM is in fact in Hawthorne? Something like that. 04:49:56 ah ok 04:49:59 http://www.zazzle.com/rule_30_tie-151111911076843021 // is this rule-30 color scheme more to your liking? It's more ... "subtle"? :P 04:52:42 gregor i hate you so much. 04:52:51 X-D 04:52:54 i hope you burn to death. 04:53:24 I made this one first, I think it should go with my purple shirt. Or maybe the pink one, but that's a fairly bright pink and this is more of a dark pink. 04:53:52 My means of dressing myself is basically "if it goes together, don't wear it" 04:54:00 go fuck yourself asshole. JUST GO FUCK YOURSELF. :| 04:54:24 8-D 04:54:52 augur is just jealous of my wonderful flamboyancy :P 04:55:18 if by flamboyancy you mean colors so bright you literally look like a burning piece of metal 04:55:19 then no. 04:56:10 Hahaha 04:56:18 I'm going to go to goodwill and buy ALL THE BRIGHTEST STUFF I CAN FIND. 04:56:19 Just for you. 04:56:27 you do that 04:56:29 ill laugh 04:56:34 because you're wearing clothes from goodwill 04:56:37 and look ridiculous. 04:57:04 Oooh, Mr. Snobbipants thinks I'm tacky. 04:57:12 not tacky 04:57:13 ridiculous. 04:57:20 Oooh, Mr. Snobbipants thinks I'm ridiculous. 04:57:29 snobbypants* 04:57:36 It's from the Dutch. 04:58:05 no its not. 04:58:12 That being said, as "ridiculous" is probably roughly item #3 on "properties Gregor attempts to imbue in his style and mannerisms", I'm going to go with, "super!" 04:58:21 oh. 04:58:22 god. 04:58:23 D: 04:58:25 also 04:58:27 goodwill. 04:58:44 That's the "Mr. SnobbIIIIIIpants" part 04:58:52 Ooooh, I'm too good to shop at Goodwill. 04:59:00 GregorR-L: I would mock you for wearing a shirt and tie. 04:59:31 However, you carry a hackerly form of disregard for normal conventions with it, so I cannot bring myself to do so. 05:00:46 But augur's "mockery" is drizzled with a puree of lukewarm lamesauce, so I'm left with NO MOCKERY AT ALL! 05:01:12 Clothing from Goodwill is lame or something? 05:01:19 But my trenchcoat is the antilame! 05:01:21 I guess, Idonno *shrugs* 05:01:28 trenchcoats are different, pikhq 05:01:30 Heh, I have a Goodwill trenchcoat too :P 05:01:33 those are cooler when you get them from other people 05:01:35 especially dead people 05:01:44 but normal clothing? no. 05:01:45 ew. 05:02:03 GregorR-L: My roommates and I all bought trenchcoats last year. For 'tis awesome. 05:02:20 pikhq: Not only do they not wash them, but they grind the ashes of the dead into oil and rub it all over the clothes. 05:02:46 Impressive. 05:02:58 Yeah, you'd think it'd be too expensive, but apparently not? 05:05:15 Nonprofits. 05:20:42 Could I ... put the spinners optical illusion on a tie ...??? 05:20:47 Is that the single worst idea ever? 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"excellent" possibly is at the top 12:15:48 as for books: haven't found one yet. HHGTG gets close, very close indeed. :) 12:16:16 maybe i should read it eventually, it's just it seems more fi than it is sci 12:16:23 i mean from what i've heard 12:16:37 i mean i'm mostly interested in the philosophical ideas in the articles 12:16:41 oklopol, well that is true, and it is humoristic (sp?) 12:17:06 what's sp exactly 12:17:39 humoristic is a word, although humorous might fit better there 12:18:20 need to do the shoppe 12:18:22 -> 12:18:26 (sp?) = (spelling?) 12:18:47 right! 12:18:49 at least when I use it 12:18:53 ;) 12:19:02 i mean i know what it means, never managed to reverse-engineer it 12:19:11 haha 12:19:31 maybe because you're the only one who uses it, i don't really know 12:19:38 anyway, the shoppe -> 12:19:42 oklopol, I picked it up from someone else 12:19:43 years ago 12:19:47 on another irc network 13:01:15 I think something is broken... I get a single line of text when visiting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality : "Override this function." However... refreshing the page fixed it. How strange.... 13:07:22 -!- oerjan has joined. 13:09:38 hi oerjan 13:11:53 sjallabais 13:12:07 bullshit? 13:13:35 no, just the most incomprehensible greeting i could think of 13:14:07 it _looks_ like it should be a norwegian transliteration of something, probably french. i don't know what though... 13:14:23 isn't bajs crap for swedish 13:14:27 oerjan, iwc btw 13:14:50 or danish 13:15:00 not norwegian though (would be "bæsj") 13:15:15 how do you pronounce sj 13:16:19 like english sh 13:16:35 right 13:19:13 ok sjallabais somehow means "party", but is also used as a greeting... 13:19:44 "party" is a greeting. 13:19:55 just look 13:19:57 -!- oklopol has left (?). 13:19:58 -!- oklopol has joined. 13:20:02 PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!111111 13:20:16 if you say so 13:20:34 well aren't you antisceptical 13:21:24 hm google throws up "trøndersk" dialect lists with it, so it may be a bit local 13:21:29 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:23:55 otoh it may be spreading. mwuahaha! 13:24:48 yes, i will definitely start saying sjallabais whenever i don't believe something 13:26:36 * oerjan utterly fails at finding an etymology for it 13:27:34 -!- ehird has joined. 13:28:17 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:28:47 AnMaster: poor serron. but then, he probably deserves it. 13:28:59 wat 13:29:08 ehird: iwc 13:29:17 party, ehird!! 13:29:19 can't you guys keep it to #iwc 13:29:23 oklopol: omg party \o/ 13:29:37 i'm not in #iwc, or aware of its existence 13:29:44 nor I 13:29:59 *nor 13:30:14 19:38:21 I suggest that you wear T-shirts whenever possible. 13:30:14 19:38:27 If you do not, then you will have grown up. 13:30:14 19:38:36 And as we all know, that is a sad, sad thing. 13:30:14 i wonder if acting childish actually slows that crippling ailment we refer to as aging 13:30:45 ehird: only if you also feel childish inside 13:30:46 peter pan did it 13:31:01 oerjan: that was implied 13:31:10 also, ties are stupid 13:31:18 all clothes are stupid 13:31:19 they don't keep you warm, therefore useless item of clothing 13:31:29 oklopol: easiest way to keep warm tho 13:31:32 if you are just pretending, it doesn't work. in fact it will only speed things up, as you start worrying if people are catching on 13:31:51 ehird: it's easier to stay inside 13:32:19 i don't think i'll be drastically different when I'm 18 13:32:24 or 20 13:32:50 i stopped totally changing every few years when I was 12 13:32:52 but then when you get 21... *BAM* average size ego 13:32:54 guess that means I'm not learning anything 13:33:27 i stopped changing at like 12 too, then started changing rapidly a few years ago 13:33:29 oerjan: but I *am* the most important thing in the universe 13:33:34 the universe = my universe 13:33:37 relativity says so 13:33:46 just like when i talk about where things are, how fast they're moving etc 13:34:00 from the viewpoint of my universe (again, colloquially, "the universe"), there is nothing more important than me 13:34:05 since I'm the only thing keeping it extant 13:35:26 I have a lime green shirt and bright red tie I'll be wearing to the IBM "picnic" :P 13:35:43 boo ibm 13:35:49 GregorR: did you invent that color matcher just to make sure your clothes _never_ match? :D 13:35:52 AnMaster: poor serron. but then, he probably deserves it. <-- indeed 13:38:14 yeah that serron is one annoying little bitch 13:38:32 quite so good chap 13:38:41 21:27:55 augur_: http://www.zazzle.com/classy_rule_110_tie-151952160559470088 howzat 13:38:48 Wow! A black tie! 13:39:29 03:05:12 http://www.fullmoon.nu/Resurrection/PrimarySpecies.html <<< this is totally reason enough to commit suicide 13:39:30 why would you decrease your chances of it 13:39:36 21:27:55 augur_: http://www.zazzle.com/classy_rule_110_tie-151952160559470088 howzat <-- "no minimum order"? Right, *orders -2* 13:39:53 It's a natural number. 13:40:06 It won't accept "i", either. Or 3.4. 13:40:10 Doesn't make the condition false. 13:40:24 ehird, it didn't say it needed to be a natural number. Thought a real integer was enogh 13:40:26 enough* 13:40:51 where did you get R? 13:40:53 Wow, jokes based on intentional, impossible-to-not-be-intentional, trivial misunderstandings. 13:40:56 Truly the cream of the crap. 13:41:07 N or R+ are usually implied for products 13:41:08 oklopol: a general idea of how selling goods works 13:41:20 0 isn't an option 13:41:20 ehird: it's a tie, i'd assume N 13:41:25 that always deletes it from your cart 13:41:26 not R+ 13:41:29 it would be awesome to buy -2 though 13:41:31 and negatives aren't an option 13:41:40 and you clearly can't buy part of a tie 13:41:42 or an imaginary tie 13:41:44 i conclude natural 13:41:45 s 13:42:01 or an imaginary tie <-- true. those are priceless 13:42:14 no, they're just imaginary. 13:42:31 . 13:42:35 humoristic, now that's a crappy word 13:42:48 humoristicnessily 13:42:51 ehird: but then clearly 1 _is_ the minimum order. these philistines don't understand well-ordering! 13:42:51 i'm fairly sure it's a well-defined word 13:43:15 you can prolly make arbitrary long words in english with meaning 13:43:35 well. clearly they are saying the set of possible amounts to order does not have a smallest object 13:43:45 wow you tricked me oklopol, it wasn't actually a party 13:43:54 also, lol 13:44:18 that means it can either be infinitely small, or supremum doesn't exist 13:44:18 oklopol, exactly! 13:44:53 because N and R+ are the two usual possibilities, i'd just assume that means "you can buy only part of a tie" 13:44:57 oklopol: itym infimum? 13:45:05 err yes 13:45:30 i'm not very good with associating terms with their meanings 13:46:00 although i guess Q+ might make more sense 13:46:20 what a scalawag 13:46:22 is Q+ = Q+\{0} or what's the usual definition? 13:47:06 er what? 13:47:16 i mean of course that's not the definition, i'm asking whether it contains 0 13:47:31 i wouldn't bet on it 13:47:32 is that a property of Q+ with its usual definition 13:47:50 oklopol: you mean Q+ == Q+\{0} of course 13:48:00 no i don't 13:48:21 only primitive unlanguages need a distinction between == and = 13:49:02 GregorR: so what's that 110 computing huh? 13:49:47 ehird: although i guess you are right in that in this case the unlinguistic mix of english and math would've benefitted from it 13:50:17 i kinda expected you to deny there's a difference 13:52:09 i'd say the only crucial difference is in binding of left argument 13:52:32 in = it's usually a name, instead of the object it already refers to 13:52:52 it's binding vs structural comparison 13:53:28 That being said, as "ridiculous" is probably roughly item #3 on "properties Gregor attempts to imbue in his style and mannerisms", I'm going to go with, "super!" 13:53:31 20:58:21 oh. 13:53:35 what the heck 13:53:45 yes, except binding as an operation is only relevant in unlanguages, there are better ways to do it 13:54:07 oerjan: he wants to look ridiculous? 13:54:27 GregorR: now i just have to ask what #1 and #2 are... 13:55:03 why what the heck 13:55:05 the fact that = binds isn't a crucial difference, the fact that it creates a new object referred to as whatever is on the left is. the actual binding is just an assertion with the same semantics as == has 13:55:22 ehird: er that was for my miscopying 13:55:24 exactly, but 13:55:37 most things can't be both assertions and predicates in languages 13:55:44 and this is often not a perfect mapping 13:55:44 for instance 13:55:57 assert X = an object whose equality checker always returns false 13:56:00 ask X = X 13:56:02 oops! 13:57:14 yes, =, as an equivalence check, is inconsistent if it doesn't have the properties of an equivalence relation 13:57:37 so what's your proposal, don't allow overriding equality? 13:58:09 i'm not exactly talking about practical programming :D 13:58:33 :P 13:58:42 oklopol: it can be for non-practical things too! 13:58:47 like, like, self-caching data structures 14:02:12 I think something is broken... I get a single line of text when visiting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality : "Override this function." However... refreshing the page fixed it. How strange.... <-- it's just our simulation having the occasional problem with meta-stuff. nothing to worry about. 14:02:54 equality should not be overridden for the actual objects, it should be about checking equality. but you often need to check if they have the same equivalence class, and a nice practical solution, when there's an obvious equivalence class, is to make equality check whether the objects have the same class. 14:03:01 oerjan, Matrix :D 14:03:28 so i guess my opinion is equality should be overridable 14:03:39 if only as a practical unsolution 14:04:00 Matrix! 14:04:07 another well-known greeting 14:04:32 that must be well-known in a different simulation than ours 14:04:52 that's sjallabais 14:06:08 -!- ineiros_ has joined. 14:06:13 should probably go make a food 14:06:19 party, ineiros! 14:07:14 KERNELS, YAY KERNELS 14:07:17 KER KER KER KER KERNELS 14:07:24 KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERNELS 14:07:28 LET'S ALL PROGRAM KERNELS 14:07:34 ,_o 14:07:36 s/ $// 14:12:28 oklopol: smalltalk80 is awesome isn't it 14:13:27 so anyway 14:13:34 losethos guy has finally gone totally off the deepend 14:13:48 Free 64-bit Operating System Release: LoseThos V5.11 14:13:53 Wouldn't it be simpler to stab your eyes out with a screw driver? 14:14:02 I don't lust. It is you who needs to do that, you perverted porn addict. 14:14:02 27 19 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' 28 But I say to you, everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 20 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one of your members than to have your whole body thrown into Gehenna. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better f 14:14:18 or you to lose one of your members than to have your whole body go into Gehenna. 14:14:31 then 14:14:37 he takes to insulting his audience directly 14:14:40 The LoseThos operating system is the answer! It's 64-bit and super simple. You young folk don't like it, I know. You don't understand... anything :-) http://www.losethos.com 14:14:52 Has graphics -- 640x480 16 color 14:14:52 Has HD Audio 14:14:53 You don't understand, obviously, punk. 14:14:53 I'd like to seen gen Y get to the moon. 14:14:53 I worked on Ticketmaster's proprietary VAX operating system. Look at Obama's attempt at cash for clunkers. Look at the Chinese Olympics ticketing crash. 14:15:01 and finally, 14:15:02 http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/97w0g/cnn_refuses_to_air_this_ad/c0bqm0h 14:15:07 Gnashed their thanksgivings! 14:15:33 Oh, and the post is about healthcare. 14:15:40 Not coveting/adultery. 14:25:25 Since questions livest cares! 14:25:51 scary how well it answers the question 14:26:03 totally man 14:26:15 wonder if he'll go on a killing spree 14:26:20 i get the impression he's too cazy to 14:26:28 probably looks shiftily and gibbers when outside 14:28:00 okay wow 14:28:06 that infinite mario ai thing 14:28:13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlkMs4ZHHr8 14:28:20 it actually DECIDED to jump into oblivion 14:28:25 then do two precise jumps to get out again 14:28:28 just to avoid some enemies 14:28:31 too fucking hardcore 14:30:19 i wanna write my own except it aims for max score 14:30:22 instead of just "survival" 14:30:22 -!- Asztal has joined. 14:31:17 party, Asztal! 14:31:36 i would love to make a general purpose gamer ai 14:31:38 \o/ 14:31:48 * Asztal parties 14:31:48 oklopol: minimax is probably the closest principle to that 14:32:02 works in basically any competitive game 14:32:03 i wouldn't mind if it sucked ass, as long as it at least somewhat understood what the keys do 14:32:05 what's minimax 14:32:09 err the algorithm? 14:32:21 Minimax (sometimes minmax) is a decision rule used in decision theory, game theory, statistics and philosophy for minimizing the maximum possible loss. Alternatively, it can be thought of as maximizing the minimum gain (maximin). Originally formulated for two-player zero-sum game theory, covering both the cases where players take alternate moves and those where they make simultaneous moves. It has also been extended to more complex games and to general deci 14:32:36 err yes, naturally i know what the algorithm is 14:32:36 sion making in the presence of uncertainty. 14:32:53 you can't really get more generic than that though 14:33:02 Re: kernels. Babble generator says: "kernels are specific nodes or the liver , and the two - party case , we see a picture , if you will ?" 14:33:25 ineiros: not nearly as good as the one, the only, LOSETHOS GOD COMMUNICATION SYSTEM! 14:34:13 My IRC-based language model just says "kernels are dumb." 14:34:31 that they are 14:34:46 http://tunes.org/wiki/no-kernel.html 14:42:38 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 14:42:51 Aug 06 08:35:49 GregorR: did you invent that color matcher just to make sure your clothes _never_ match? :D 14:42:54 That was part of the reason, yes. 14:43:19 Aug 06 08:38:50 Wow! A black tie! 14:43:21 I NOSE RITE 14:43:33 Aug 06 08:49:06 GregorR: so what's that 110 computing huh? 14:43:36 'twas just random input 14:43:53 Aug 06 08:53:30 That being said, as "ridiculous" is probably roughly item #3 on "properties Gregor attempts to imbue in his style and mannerisms", I'm going to go with, "super!" \ Aug 06 08:54:28 GregorR: now i just have to ask what #1 and #2 are... 14:44:03 Probably "weird" and "flamboyant" 14:44:22 -!- GregorR-L has quit (Client Quit). 14:44:50 what 14:44:52 just happened 14:45:01 what do you mean 14:45:09 a run-by logreading 14:45:46 and responding 14:45:57 also has like 14:46:08 anyone used a rule 110 to actually compute any actual problems yet 14:46:12 we have a culture of blocked logreading/responding 14:46:17 Pthing: no, it's useless. 14:46:30 oh i see my apologies, i will go and ask on 14:46:32 HEY WAIT 14:46:47 Pthing: the computations are horribly inefficient 14:46:52 by "actual", I of course mean esolang-level actual 14:46:55 like such as 14:46:58 what is 2 + 2 14:47:07 well i'm sure someone's probably done it 14:47:16 can't be hard to compile BCT 14:47:38 it was designed for cyclic tag so... 14:53:28 oerjan: wuzzat supposed to mean 14:54:14 i wonder if anyone ever excited it into a sevenfold glio 14:54:48 ehird: the rule 110 universality proof used a tag system 14:54:55 oh, awesome 14:55:06 now we just need to write a real program in BCT :P 14:55:32 WELL WE ALREADY KNOW HOW TO WRITE ONE IN B AND C SO SHOULD BE EASY 14:55:52 and T is a dialect of Scheme! 14:56:38 how convenient... maybe a little too convenient though. 14:57:05 oklopol: int main(void) { extrn cons; auto a; a=(cons 1 2); return 0; } 14:57:08 BCT. 14:58:24 ehird, what bit is B in there 14:58:38 extrn cons; auto a; 14:58:42 ah 14:58:44 right 14:58:53 my mind read it as "extern" not "extrn" 15:01:08 your mind is trying too hard to be helpfl 15:05:48 oerjan, :D 15:06:00 oerjan, that had the wrong shape though 15:06:05 if you see what I mean 15:06:28 i see nothng 15:07:07 as in: IxIpII vs IxIpIxI where 15:07:12 i'm actually blind 15:07:18 where* the letters represent the overall *shape* 15:07:21 betcha didn't notice :) 15:07:45 iki piki 15:07:51 with extern/extrn the only difference is the length of the last "x-height" segment 15:08:08 hmm, blind typography enthusiast :D 15:08:10 when it comes to overall shape 15:08:28 oerjan, what has he/she/it got to do with this? 15:08:49 I actually don't know Iki Piki's gender. Not sure if the question makes sense at all... 15:09:10 [15:07] AnMaster: as in: IxIpII vs IxIpIxI where 15:09:23 ehird, I hit enter too early yes 15:09:27 see next line I said 15:09:42 oh I see what you mean 15:09:48 supposed to be similar 15:10:02 male, says irregularwebcomic.wikia 15:10:02 Iki Piki is a jack-of-all-trades. Well, some. Like diplomacy, and demolitions. He sees no contradiction in these professions. He also has a passing knowledge of xenobiology, law, and nuclear physics. If you need dubious advice on any of these subjects, Iki's your man! He prefers plastic explosive for demolition purposes, and chews gum. He hardly ever gets these confused. 15:10:02 and iwc.net 15:10:19 THERE IS A irregularwebcomic.wikia ‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽ 15:10:45 [AnMaster has an aneurysm] 15:10:52 AnMaster: the cast page uses "He" for him. also, "If you need dubious advice on any of these subjects, Iki's your man!" 15:11:07 oerjan, ah, forgot that 15:11:07 erm 15:11:26 if you need dubious advice on any of these subjects, she's your man! 15:11:55 also there is DMM's sf roleplaying setting which he comes from ... 15:12:04 -!- ineiros has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 15:13:03 oerjan, yes I know about the source. What about it? 15:13:21 on dangermouse.net somewhere 15:13:35 AnMaster: well it probably has more about his species 15:14:15 aha 15:14:20 I thought you meant... never mind 15:15:57 gah i have an urge to write forth but no application for it 15:16:01 http://www.dangermouse.net/gurps/amber/sjgaliens.html 15:17:10 hah! 15:17:13 "Pachekki are ambisexual, switching between exclusively female and male roles at random every few days." 15:17:31 maybe the FAQ changes every few days 15:19:08 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 15:19:12 Aug 06 09:57:05 oklopol: int main(void) { extrn cons; auto a; a=(cons 1 2); return 0; } 15:19:12 D-8 15:19:26 GregorR-L: stop that bouncing! 15:19:39 I just bounced in a car from one locality to another :P 15:19:44 xD 15:19:52 GregorR-L: get mobile interwebs 15:20:07 I was driving X_X 15:20:12 and? 15:20:22 And using the intarwebs while driving = not generally considered a good idea 15:20:28 so? 15:20:44 Whereas wearing Gregor's super-awesome rule 110 tie = BEST IDEA EVARS 15:21:13 buy it for me and I will 15:21:48 wat 15:22:51 Whereas wearing Gregor's super-awesome rule 110 tie = BEST IDEA EVARS <-- picture 15:23:15 http://www.zazzle.com/rule_110_tie-151701718082685707 15:23:36 :D 15:23:38 <3 15:24:26 Hahah, much more positive responses today :P 15:24:35 http://www.zazzle.com/rule_30_tie-151111911076843021 // I have rule 30 too! X-P 15:25:06 why are the colours so awful 15:25:15 because gregor has terrible fashion sense! 15:25:29 GregorR-L: make a transparent tie 15:25:32 i'd so fucking buy a transparent tie 15:25:34 GregorR 15:25:40 What about a 2,3 machine 15:25:41 like 15:25:44 if you did it in like 15:25:46 grey and blue 15:25:50 or dark grey and light grey 15:25:51 http://www.zazzle.com/classy_rule_110_tie-151952160559470088 // YOU GUYS ARE LAME 15:25:57 it'd look like a real tie, not a clown tie 15:26:03 see 15:26:04 I would never buy a tie that wasn't bright and gaudy :P 15:26:05 GregorR-L: But that's just a black tie. 15:26:14 I bet it'd print as the same colour. 15:26:19 ehird: Nah 15:26:25 http://www.zazzle.com/classy_rule_110_tie-151952160559470088 // YOU GUYS ARE LAME <-- it is black on black? 15:26:34 WTF guys 15:26:39 The difference isn't even that subtle 15:26:43 It's dark grey on black 15:26:56 it is? I blame my monitor then 15:27:01 AnMaster: don't 15:27:11 i have a high-quality colour-calibrated display and it's smudgy black 15:27:20 right, if I look at it at an extreme angel I can see the grey 15:27:28 angle* 15:27:30 :D 15:27:34 And I have a crappo MacBook and it's ultra-visible X_X 15:27:44 I have a probably-crap-quality probably-non-calibrated display and it's clearly grey on black 15:27:55 GregorR-L, there you go. To *BAD* monitor to show it properly 15:28:08 With enough crappiness a display can show you invisible pink unicorns. 15:28:25 Anyway, I don't care, as that's a lame tie no matter what shade of grey I use. Except for white maybe. 15:28:28 But my pre-calibrated matte IPS apple display says it's smudges on black, so it's smudges on black. 15:28:30 QED. 15:28:37 White is the best shade of gray 15:28:39 along with black 15:28:40 ehird, except it will be indistinguishable (SP‽) from green such 15:28:52 AnMaster: physically yes 15:28:54 spiritually, no 15:29:07 And people who don't wear brightly-colored ties are SO LAMESAUCE. 15:29:14 I hate ties 15:29:16 all of them 15:29:23 My tie is cyan. And I'm wearing a purple shirt. RIGHT NOW. 15:29:30 ouch 15:29:46 GregorR-L, I'm glad to say this is only text chat 15:29:54 (Maybe a bit closer to magenta? Yeah, I'll go with magenta) 15:30:02 aren't cyan/purple like complement colours? 15:30:10 Idonno :P 15:30:14 well cyan/magenta 15:30:15 `addquote With enough crappiness a display can show you invisible pink unicorns. 15:30:21 62| With enough crappiness a display can show you invisible pink unicorns. 15:30:45 does anyone ever use that thing to *display* the quotes? 15:30:55 No 15:30:56 i think i've seen it done 15:31:02 `quote 15:31:03 what command was it 15:31:03 61| Seconds. 30 of them. Did I forget the word? 15:31:04 ah 15:31:11 `quote 15:31:12 6| I think the freemasons are actually a cover for homosexual men. 15:31:24 *blink* 15:31:27 `quote 15:31:28 33|IN EINEM ALTERNATIVEN UNIVERSUM (WO DIE NAZIS WON): So kann ich nur schliessen, dass es falsch ist, oder die Welt ist vollig BONKERS. Gegrusset seist du der Fuhrer Hitler! 15:31:28 Makes sense. 15:31:35 `quote 15:31:36 10| what, you mean that wasn't your real name? Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that. 15:31:45 huh 15:31:47 `quote 15:31:49 18| GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. 15:31:52 I don't understand the context 15:31:55 `quote 15:31:56 26| Meh ._. 15:32:00 They're all out of context :P 15:32:04 well that's a good quote except it isn't funny 15:32:05 `quote 15:32:06 19| "You're at that stage in your life where you're going to want to do some things in private." --my mom 15:32:08 ehird: where the nazis won the war but lost their grammar 15:32:11 oh lawd 15:32:13 `quote 15:32:14 54| I guess when you're immortal, mapping your fonts isn't necessary 15:32:18 oh my 15:32:21 what have I started 15:32:25 `quote 15:32:26 43| pikhq: A lunar nation is totally pointless. ehird: consider low-gravity porn fungebob: OK. Now I'm convinced. 15:32:31 YOU HAVE STARTED A REVOLUTION 15:32:51 XD 15:33:25 * AnMaster considers low gravity porn. 15:33:31 * AnMaster fails to see the point 15:33:36 `quote 15:33:38 23| Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. 15:33:53 fizzie, oh? what ^style is it? 15:33:55 ^style 15:33:55 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube 15:34:08 `quote 15:34:08 none afaik. 15:34:09 3| EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" 15:34:16 heh 15:34:16 ehird, oh what did it mean 15:34:18 then 15:34:20 dunno 15:34:25 `quote 15:34:27 21| First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, you know the rest. 15:34:29 !swedish riondgdunh_y"_'"'jigrjhiuyyè_jiy(h'n'j-i'uj-_y(ijhrt,et,nkprj'j-'-i"j 15:34:44 `quote 15:34:45 27| oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! 15:34:46 ^swedish riondgdunh_y"_'"'jigrjhiuyyè_jiy(h'n'j-i'uj-_y(ijhrt,et,nkprj'j-'-i"j 15:34:52 what's wrong with low-gravity porn 15:34:55 egobot dead 15:34:57 reeundgdoonh_y"_'"'jeegrjhiooyyè_jeey(h'n'j-i'ooj-_y(ijhrt,it,nkprj'j-'-i"j 15:35:06 oklopol: there are a negative amount of things wrong with it 15:35:07 27 was quite funny 15:35:11 `quote 15:35:12 34|SUPLENTES EN UN UNIVERSO (MUSSOLINI CUANDO CONQUISTO EL MUNDO): i tan solo puede concluir que es defectuoso, o el mundo esta absolutamente loco. Todos a la gloria Il Duce! 15:35:14 ehird: ah! 15:35:20 `quote 15:35:21 21| First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, you know the rest. 15:35:22 oklopol, nothing. just fail to see in what way it is better than the normal styff 15:35:24 stuff* 15:35:25 `quote 15:35:25 62| With enough crappiness a display can show you invisible pink unicorns. 15:35:35 AnMaster: Everything is better in low-gravity 15:35:40 AnMaster: well you can have sex while airborne 15:35:40 (except earth-like gravity) 15:35:51 i wonder if anyone's had sex on a vomit comet 15:35:54 ...airporne? 15:35:56 like maybe trazjillionaires 15:35:58 :D 15:35:59 oklopol: <3<3<3 15:36:12 `quote 15:36:14 21| First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, you know the rest. 15:36:17 `quote 15:36:17 `quote 15:36:18 3| EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" 15:36:19 47| augur: pretty true. 15:36:21 `quote 15:36:22 33|IN EINEM ALTERNATIVEN UNIVERSUM (WO DIE NAZIS WON): So kann ich nur schliessen, dass es falsch ist, oder die Welt ist vollig BONKERS. Gegrusset seist du der Fuhrer Hitler! 15:36:26 people have had sex in no-gravity, at least 15:36:26 lol@augur>augur: 15:36:39 oklopol: rly? 15:36:39 `quote 15:36:39 11| TODO: sex life 15:36:50 `quote 15:36:52 ehird: i think a millionnaire went up with his wife 15:36:52 6| I think the freemasons are actually a cover for homosexual men. 15:37:01 `quote 15:37:03 15| wouldn't that be considered pedophilia? No. They all go by stage names. 15:37:09 `quote 15:37:11 16| 11 holes for me :D 15:37:15 oklopol: see, i guessed that! 15:37:16 huh 15:37:18 `quote 15:37:20 48| i can get an erection out of a plank, you can quote me on that. 15:37:20 though i can't imagine the press release 15:37:24 `quote 15:37:26 51|* Dylan devides by Zorro 15:37:30 heh 15:37:42 ehird: afair nasa wanted to observe, for science, maybe just an urban legend though 15:37:43 "MAXIMILLION TYCOON, the charitable millionaire, today had sexual intercourse in zero-gravity with his wife." 15:37:43 never seen Dylan in here... 15:37:51 AnMaster: he's not in here. 15:37:57 nor is Madelon, Lil`Cube or Quas_NaArt 15:37:59 ehird, quote from elsewhere 15:38:01 ? 15:38:05 yes 15:38:09 how strange 15:38:14 why 15:38:22 is the bot in more than one channel? 15:38:26 yes 15:38:28 ah 15:38:29 two networks 15:38:31 what ones 15:38:37 here and sine. 15:38:47 ehird, and what is this sine I heard about before 15:38:52 an irc network 15:39:15 Better Network 15:39:20 wat 15:39:21 *a 15:39:46 http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:XbSX6_ILf8IJ:creatures.wikia.com/wiki/Sine+%2Bsine+irc+network&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk <-- that? 15:39:54 google cache because the real page was so slow to load 15:40:00 (gave up after 10 seconds) 15:40:01 no, that's a different sgeo and dylan. 15:40:39 "If you would like to visit Sine, you are most welcome. Ask anyone in the above list for its address." <-- why so secret 15:40:56 yeah being most welcome and able to ask for the address sure is secret 15:41:06 we're talking illuminati-level here 15:41:06 NO ONE SHALL KNOW THE SINE 15:41:11 Sine#freemasons 15:41:11 AnMaster: spammers don't ask 15:41:19 oklopol, good reason 15:41:41 only reason i can imagine 15:41:51 o 15:41:53 o 15:41:53 http://www.whereiwrite.org/delany.php i thought this was a zero-gravity writing place 15:41:54 these are o's 15:41:54 and i was lik 15:41:56 e 15:41:57 holy fucking yeah 15:42:22 oklopol: o rly? 15:43:13 :D 15:43:19 o definitely 15:45:42 argh i love forth and smalltalk too much 15:46:42 parse-word HELLO cr type cr 15:46:42 HELLO 15:46:42 ok 15:46:43 <3<3 15:51:00 i love how you can add syntax and parsers to forth (same thing) in a few words 15:52:46 I love how these pants are INEXPLICABLY 1 INCH SMALLER AROUND THE WASTE THAN EVERY OTHER PAIR I OWN 15:53:12 : hello ." Hello, " parse-word type ." !" ; ok 15:53:12 hello world Hello, world! ok 15:53:13 : test hello world ; 15:53:13 :3: Undefined word 15:53:13 mh 15:53:18 have to learn how to do compile words 15:54:44 The ct style is built with our VariKN toolkit, but it's from a really small data, so... 15:54:52 ^style ct 15:54:52 Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) 15:55:00 fungot: It's funny, because ct is the worst style. 15:55:00 ehird: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! 15:55:07 * pikhq wears changéd pants 15:55:11 Another "he's a tricycle" 15:55:19 ^really a 15:55:50 pikhq: length contraction. it's a relativistic effect. 15:55:59 Well, there's not that much text in it. And there are two very nice model size control parameters to tweak, I just haven't tweaked them for fungot use. 15:55:59 fizzie: i'd like to see that mystical sword for myself! geez! 15:56:00 oerjan: KTHX 15:56:40 fungot: no, that's taboo, bits can't mingle with bits 15:56:40 ehird: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! 15:56:43 (oh man that was a terrible pun!) 15:56:51 all of it 15:56:54 every single element 15:56:57 Rupert Murdoch announces that he will be charging for the site of every news company he owns. 15:57:03 pikhq: old 15:57:06 fizzie: I note that it's saying the exact same line a lot 15:57:17 ehird: I was having trouble with IP last night. 15:57:25 pikhq: older than that 15:57:39 ehird: Shaddup. 15:58:46 pikhq: you may be experiencing time dilation as well, i suppose 16:02:26 i dropped my cool-drink, but luckily i caught it. 16:02:35 crink 16:03:19 ehird: no, not _that_ cool 16:03:41 if it makes a *crink*, it's frozen, not a drink 16:03:51 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crink pick one! 16:03:57 It's probably because the fungot generation code uses the longest-length n-grams it finds. Optimally it should use the backoff weights also explicitly in the model, but I don't have support for that in the Funge code. 16:03:57 fizzie: you are strong of will...! that's the pendant the gurus and miss you. you may use that " rainbow shell? can eat much, much strong guy! 16:05:46 so, has anyone seen a decent definition on urbandictionary 16:05:59 i mean they have "print this on a mug", what the fuck is that about 16:06:03 yes, of coonpickrobber 16:06:25 print this random crap someone wrote high as a humper on a mug 16:06:33 quite so 16:06:55 oklopol: what should i code in forth 16:07:40 ehird, a Haskell compiler. 16:07:51 uhhh no :P 16:07:57 i dunno....................... 16:08:12 well nno! 16:08:12 ehird: coonpickrobber is not on ud 16:08:16 sure is 16:08:18 in my heart 16:08:27 ay not. 16:08:59 ry uan 16:09:00 anyway gotta go read some totally crink shit 16:09:08 crink dat 16:10:23 "I have never edited Wikipedia because I'm afraid that an admin will just revert it and then hack me and my family via my IP address. How many times a day would you say you do this?" 16:14:37 -!- Judofyr has quit (Remote closed the connection). 16:22:46 see catch 16:22:46 noname : 16:22:47 c" 16:22:47 ?0?%p?0&0N%D??0?=/?&?0? ???Y??0?%??0DA?0??0?%0S0&&0?%??0&&0P 16:22:53 looks like embedded machine code to me! 16:24:30 -!- puzzlet has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 16:24:38 -!- puzzlet has joined. 16:26:05 * ehird implements the rationals in Forth 16:26:49 hmm Q/ or /Q I wonder 16:26:55 prolly /Q 16:27:05 although wait 16:27:20 I need to distinguish the operation Q/Q→Q and Z/Z→Q 16:32:45 I actually managed to make http://www.zazzle.com/rule_30_tie-151111911076843021 with absolutely no cognition of any possible implications of having pink triangles all over one's tie :P 16:33:07 you must now wear it 16:33:23 Oh, I'm still gonna buy it :P 16:34:13 O_O 16:36:05 hey one of his goals IS flamboyancy! 16:45:13 is that related to floating flames? ~ 16:45:16 -!- kar8nga has joined. 16:46:03 AnMaster: It should be! 16:46:28 that would be flambuoyancy though! 16:46:52 just a single letter difference... 16:50:40 so I just invented the single language better than smalltalk 16:51:16 oh? 16:51:26 yes 16:51:38 it's smalltalk, except you can intercept it at ... sort-of-compile time 16:51:39 like Forth! 16:51:58 → moar syntax 16:52:04 ok that could actually become a shitfest :P 16:52:32 ehird → moar syntax 16:52:40 that's me 16:52:41 [*ehird].7() 16:52:52 GregorR-L: that's probably valid D. 16:52:58 Nope :P 16:53:00 Not even close 16:53:11 *ehird[7].d() 16:53:18 it probably invokes a template at run-time from a pointer with a recursion limit of 7 16:53:25 then includes it in the current string 16:53:35 ehird!(void*).d(7) 16:53:46 :D 16:54:24 I wonder why smalltalk doesn't have list syntax, it's really annoying 16:55:16 http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/558.html <-- :D (yes I'm archive re-reading) 16:55:37 heh 16:55:53 especially the annotation :) 16:56:13 http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/559.html ;; this annoys me too 16:56:14 http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/570.html <-- some oerjan-esque puns there. 16:56:42 you mean uh 16:56:43 "bad" 16:57:02 ehird, well yeah, but I still laughed out loud at them 16:58:52 http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/564.html ;; worst comic I ever read 16:59:03 http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/591.html <-- horrible pun again 17:00:39 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 17:01:17 http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/617.html <-- :DDD 17:01:28 xD 17:01:32 >_< 17:01:37 which one 17:01:48 i'll answer when the page loads 17:01:59 <_< 17:02:31 i didn't get it :D 17:02:44 ehird, hey, give me a unicode square rotated 45 degrees. So it looks somewhat like <> but more square 17:02:50 I'm sure there is one 17:02:51 WHY DO I KEEP COMING BACK HERE I WAS SUPPOSED TO GO 17:03:05 stay 17:03:07 yeah unicode slave start digging 17:03:11 well 17:03:17 ehird is good at unicode 17:03:23 AnMaster: you eman a diamond 17:03:26 I wouldn't know what plane to look in at all 17:03:26 *mean 17:03:33 ehird, well, yeah, square diamond 17:03:46 so 17:03:46 a diamond 17:03:57 not like an *actual* diamond, which is often quite different in shape 17:04:03 ◊ 17:04:08 lozenge 17:04:09 not square? 17:04:22 tough 17:04:22 ◊ is taller than it is wide 17:05:09 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrosomatoglyph 17:07:45 Q: what did they call the new word about sex 17:07:49 A: neolojism 17:08:37 http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/716.html 17:08:54 ehird, is that from that wp page? 17:09:03 no i just made it up, it' shilarious 17:09:07 also why would cyberspace be bad 17:09:09 don't get it 17:09:09 "one good thing" 17:09:20 AnMaster: neologism 17:09:27 yes that I get 17:09:31 not the other part 17:09:31 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jism 17:09:42 ouch 17:09:43 it's the best joke ever 17:09:46 clearly 17:12:09 -!- nornalbion has joined. 17:13:15 ehird, not 17:13:18 afk 17:13:21 ! 17:13:34 hi nornalbion 17:13:45 !Hi 17:17:28 ?Cool, are we putting punctuation before sentences now 17:17:39 ‽Who knows 17:17:47 !I think it's a great idea 17:17:59 Yes. 17:18:15 i don't see the difference 17:18:26 'dont you? 17:18:45 ,'.Oh were putting ALL punctuation before 17:18:58 .'Thats not valid 17:19:13 ?'Its like: ,'dont kay 17:19:21 ?,Backwards too 17:19:23 ?',Oh its supposed to be in reverse order 17:19:33 'youre all crazy 17:19:43 !,Ooh interrobang 17:20:07 .:Asztal 'Its complicated 17:20:27 .:Asztal Whenever you go to type a punctuation ,character put it at the start of the attached word or sentence 17:21:10 ?,Oh does it depend on the meaning of the punctuation 17:21:44 !But of course ?We 'couldnt have it being simple ,now could we 17:21:52 .I suppose not 17:22:28 `echo is a word with a grave accent 17:22:30 is a word with a grave accent 17:22:34 :P 17:23:03 .'Im pretty sure this is distracting me from asking the -allimportant questions such as ""?Who let you in, ""?Who are you and ""?Did you sacrifice goats or sheep 17:23:08 oh no 17:23:09 commas 17:23:16 .'Im pretty sure this is distracting me from asking the -allimportant questions such as ,""?Who let you in ""?Who are you and ""?Did you sacrifice goats or sheep 17:23:18 phew 17:23:41 -!- oerjan has quit ("'Always be careful about your apostrophes"). 17:24:29 that took me like ten seconds to get 17:25:30 .:nornalbion 'Im tempted to charge you for question -noncompliance but 'Im pretty sure we 'dont have a law against that 17:25:55 ().Fun :challenge say ""'pataphysics with this method 17:35:54 http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/258.html ← oh law 17:35:54 d 17:39:51 Hamlet makes me think of a small ham 17:46:05 halitosis 17:46:07 ha li to sis 17:47:34 Slereah: I read that as "Hamlet makes me think of a small man". 17:47:44 Very confusing. 17:47:53 You fat sack of jews 17:48:30 xD 17:53:14 -!- impomatic has joined. 17:53:19 hi impomatic 17:53:33 Hi ehird. 17:53:52 Did you see the Brainfuck synthesizer yet? http://probablyprogramming.com/2009/08/06/a-brainfuck-synthesizer/ 17:54:53 Cool, I guess. 18:04:45 -!- Judofyr has joined. 18:05:10 Just saw it a few minutes ago. Not bad. 18:06:09 http://probablyprogramming.com/2009/08/06/a-brainfuck-synthesizer/ <<< i did this like a year or two ago 18:06:16 so, umm, wow 18:06:35 who doesn't come up with that after knowing both brainfuck and how sound works 18:06:50 -!- CESSMASTER has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 18:07:17 (didn't really read it yet, may be more sophisticated :P) 18:08:26 It takes notes and generates tones. 18:08:39 It's not very sophisticated: it's his first non-trivial Brainfuck. 18:09:54 right 18:09:54 omg sopier are gonna made an orangered envelope soap, that's like 500x better than the alien 18:10:02 also i never really grasped pcm 18:10:11 It looks like he's planing to write a non-trivial program in 500 different languages. 18:10:33 one a day? 18:10:48 Not necessarily one a day, but yeah. 18:10:50 seems not 18:10:52 He should, instead, write a non-trivial programming language every day, with the interpreter written in the previous language :P 18:10:58 dunno if i'd be happy using so much of my time 18:11:03 Every other day I think. It says 500 in 3 years. 18:11:06 GregorR-L: That would be win. 18:11:21 GregorR-L: and optimize the old ones so that the whole chain runs smoothly 18:11:24 Yeah, and then cascade the interpreters so he's got a tower of 500 :-) 18:11:32 http://probablyprogramming.com/2009/08/01/500-programming-languages-python/ gee, a brainfuck interpreter 18:11:36 that's non-trivial?! 18:11:49 totally 18:11:50 Your mom is non-trivial. 18:13:09 ehird: Hear, hear. 18:13:28 Especially since the interpretation consists of compiling to Python and then executing it. 18:14:13 sound much less trivial to me, because of indentation 18:14:24 not much less 18:14:37 oklopol: ... Indentation is not hard to do. 18:15:03 He's got like 2.5 extra lines of code going into it. 18:15:15 well no, but you can't just s/// is up because of it 18:15:38 right, i'm just saying that 2.5 makes it seem harder than making a brainfuck interp to me, then again i've written hundreds of those 18:15:58 oklopol: but consider 18:16:06 if you interpret 18:16:10 you need to find the matching ] and [ 18:16:11 trivial sure 18:16:12 like 5 lines 18:16:15 but this way 18:16:21 you just output a constant string and indent++ 18:16:22 well yeah i guess 18:16:26 and the same with indent-- when you hit a ] 18:16:51 yeah, okay, maybe it's tons easier than interpreting 18:17:24 And append ' '*indent to each line produced from s//. 18:17:28 i mean writing a brainfuck interp without parsing is actually surprisingly error prone 18:17:33 I don't suppose any of the .fi people (other than ineiros, that is) is doing the Assembly thing. 18:17:51 fizzie: is an assembly coming up? :) 18:18:04 The yearly one. You know. 18:18:08 -!- meanburrito920_ has joined. 18:18:12 is it every year? :D 18:18:33 Actually I guess it's twice a year nowadays. 18:18:38 pop culture always escapes me 18:18:43 anyway what assembly thing 18:19:09 The other one is assembly winter, which is a bit different 18:19:15 And no, I don't do that thing. 18:19:24 oklopol: It has a website, www.assembly.org. 18:19:43 oh by doing the assembly thing did you just mean being there? 18:19:49 Well, yes. 18:19:53 ah 18:20:00 i thought there was like some big competition everyone knew about 18:20:23 -!- CESSMASTER has joined. 18:23:53 oklopol: there is 18:23:59 isn't there 18:24:04 i mean doesn't assembly have bunches 18:24:26 yes, but i thought there was one "the competition", because fizzie said "the assembly thing" 18:24:43 ah 18:25:08 but that was pretty stupid of me 18:25:48 The thing is just to exist; those competitions are then, I don't know, some sort of sub-things. 18:27:06 couldn't have put it better myself 18:27:37 `addquote The thing is just to exist 18:27:46 63| The thing is just to exist 18:30:35 `quote 18:30:36 36| ehird: There is no h in "honour" 18:30:51 there's no i in individuality 18:31:21 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxD 18:31:52 GOAL #1: Exist. 18:31:59 Having achieved goal #1, GOAL #2: Profit! 18:33:23 -!- kar8nga has joined. 18:37:14 -!- Sgeo has joined. 18:40:47 I wanted to go to assembly about 15 years ago, but never got around to it. 18:43:01 I've been doing this yearly since I think 1996 (or '97; and with the exception of 2002 or something) and every year I sort-of decide it's not worth it. 18:43:05 Now I'm here again. 18:43:30 And is it not worth it? :P 18:43:47 the testosterone levels at assembly must be ridiculous 18:55:05 There's not much to do here today, and it's a work-day tomorrow, so. 18:55:19 http://www.osnews.com/story/21952/Haiku_Alpha_Just_a_Decision_Away 18:55:21 I don't believe it! 18:56:33 * ehird wonders how best to handle an argument-neutral function without syntax in smalltalk elegantly 18:56:42 (m gcd: n) doesn't seem right 19:17:41 fizzie, what are you doing then 19:18:08 Assembling. 19:19:03 Coagulating. 19:19:35 I had a bit of x86 assembler to write, but it would be too antisocial, and this laptop is a PowerPPC. 19:20:18 Power-PowerPC. 19:23:48 -!- ineiros has joined. 19:49:02 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 19:52:03 -!- Judofyr_ has joined. 19:52:05 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 19:58:13 -!- ehird has quit. 20:01:34 -!- impomatic has quit ("mov.i #1,1"). 20:06:46 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 20:06:51 -!- nornalbion has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 20:09:05 -!- Judofyr_ has changed nick to Judofyr. 20:10:54 -!- ehird has joined. 20:11:08 fizzie: bochs? 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21:21:59 maybe its 'too rich' because it supports too much stuff but i thought you could write just about any style of code you wanted in it now 21:22:01 erm 21:22:03 depends how you define fine 21:22:24 well, its not all UPPERCASE GOTO any more 21:22:28 true 21:22:30 whatever 21:22:36 PHP is multi-paradigm too 21:22:37 still sucks 21:23:47 even I won't say anything on behalf of PHP, since pre-plan 9 I (shudder) did php+mysql stuff 21:24:04 my first real language was php at 8 21:24:12 took a long time to recover from that 21:24:38 i started with BASIC on an Apple ][ at age 5, also LOGO - I knew at the time that LOGO was better conceptually, also :) 21:24:59 of course, i also ended up writing a lot more lines of BASIC code because it gave you more control over the system...and thus we see the classic dichotomy 21:25:43 to hell with that dichotomy, no reason why you can't expose hardware as part of a high-level system :) 21:26:24 i know, its a dichotomy created by bad practices and over hasty 'gold rush' architecture, its not fundamental 21:28:43 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 21:29:45 -!- Asztal has joined. 21:33:29 * ehird realises he has no idea how to make a growing array in forth without manually writing realloc 21:33:39 guess i'll do that 21:40:01 -!- Judofyr has joined. 21:40:56 Writing an OS in Forth, ehird? 21:41:00 sort of 21:41:14 forth core and smalltalk upper layer 21:41:20 with the smalltalk compiler written in forth 21:41:30 but not right now, no 21:41:33 -!- jix has joined. 21:41:42 Just writing in Forth, then. 21:41:47 yeah 21:47:55 ..you can't run Qt applications in Windows without a commercial license? 21:48:37 who said that 21:48:42 http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html 21:48:49 "2005" 21:48:52 "(The windows version was tested for all but Eric3, which was tested on Linux. Eric3 is based on Qt, which basically means you can't run it on Windows unless you've shelled out $$$ for a commerical Qt license, since there is no GPL version of Qt for Windows. Yes, there's Qt Free, but that's not exactly production-ready software.) " 21:48:54 Oh 21:48:56 Looks very, oh, 2005. 21:49:00 "Qt free" 21:49:05 "not exactly production ready" 21:50:28 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 21:51:19 ehird: He is referring to the attempted port of Qt3/X11 to Win32. 21:51:37 are you sure 21:51:38 http://web.mit.edu/qt/www/freeeditions.html 21:51:41 (c) 2004 21:51:46 Hmm. 21:52:29 "Qt Free" links to http://qtwin.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page 21:52:54 OK, then 21:53:01 Q... what a terrible name 22:04:42 -!- Judofyr_ has joined. 22:04:43 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 22:07:54 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 22:11:08 lalala 22:12:18 alalalalal 22:17:00 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 22:20:04 -!- FireFly has joined. 22:23:53 aaaaaall 22:24:18 -!- Judofyr_ has changed nick to Judofyr. 22:24:52 lllllaaaaaa 22:27:21 What is #esoteric 's opinion on Pyjamas? 22:27:54 ..............um.................? 22:28:04 They're, uh, comfy? 22:28:11 lol 22:28:12 http://pyjs.org/ 22:28:21 Of course. How could I possibly have not known. 22:28:36 Yay, it's another "let's make shitty, un-web applications that run in a browser." 22:28:44 After all, users are scared of (a) hypertext, (b) native applications. 22:29:11 "javascript, a low-level alien language with weird complexities" 22:29:22 Well this guy sounds like an idiot! 22:29:33 "And, as you are writing in a much higher level language than Javascript" 22:29:43 JAVASCRIPT HAS PROTOTYPE-BASED OOP AND ITS MAIN INSPIRATION WAS LISP 22:29:48 PYTHON IS BASED ON THE TEACHING LANGUAGE ABC 22:29:50 YOU ARE RETAAAAAAAAAAAAARDED 22:29:50 ... Javascript, low-level? 22:30:12 I've seen complaints about Javascript before, but "low-level"? 22:30:30 that's a.... low.... blow 22:30:34 * nescience snickers 22:30:42 Does it fly? 22:30:43 No. 22:30:43 Is Pyjamas a bird or a plane? 22:30:43 No. 22:30:43 How come you can run python, then? 22:30:44 You can't: browsers only support javascript. So, all source code - libraries and applications - are translated into pure javascript. No python is left. at all. Otherwise, it wouldn't work, would it? 22:30:46 The libraries for it aren't all that good, but that doesn't make something low-level. 22:30:46 How does it work, then? 22:30:48 It's magic. smoke. mirrors. the usual stuff. 22:30:58 i would very much like this person to die 22:31:26 Watch the Javascript Console. 22:31:27 Watch the Javascript Console. 22:31:27 Watch the Javascript Console. 22:31:27 Did we say, and emphasise enough, that you need to watch the Javascript Console? 22:31:27 You need to watch the javascript console. 22:31:27 You need to watch the javascript console because that is where runtime javascript errors are shown. Most web applications are written so badly that the errors are usually silently ignored by browsers, so as not to frighten users. As a developer, you cannot ignore the errors (not if you expect to actually be able to write an app, that is...) 22:31:31 YOU ARE NOT FUNNY 22:31:43 ehird: He claims it lets you do "declarative programming". 22:31:59 Yes... Because Python is what I think of when I think declarative programming... 22:32:11 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 22:32:39 -!- Asztal has joined. 22:32:50 Yes! 22:32:57 def getBodyElement(): 22:32:57 JS(""" return $doc.body; """) 22:32:58 oh boy 22:33:00 string templating in js 22:33:03 it doesn't get much better than this 22:33:06 that or he actually named it $doc 22:33:12 $ is for shorthand functions, stoopid 22:34:14 ehird: I still can't believe he thinks Javascript is low-level. 22:34:26 I vote we replace Javascript with Forth, and let him ponder. :P 22:34:42 Where does it say, exactly, that he thinks JS is low-level 22:35:03 -!- Judofyr_ has joined. 22:35:17 Sgeo: Maybe my direct quotes are just too vague huh 22:35:20 You might have to scan whole sentences 22:35:25 "And, as you are writing in a much higher level language than Javascript, it's a darn sight easier." 22:35:35 Oh, the FAQ 22:35:37 Anyway the FUNDAMENTAL NATURE of these toolkits SUCK 22:35:41 Also, "Javascript, a low-level alien language with weird complexities". 22:35:45 If you are on the web, MAKE A WEB-LIKE DESIGN. 22:35:48 MAKE IT RESTFUL. 22:35:52 MAKE IT *HYPERTEXT*, DAMMIT! 22:35:59 DON'T emulate a stupdi widget GUI! 22:36:01 *stupid 22:36:04 you guys know lots of languages right? you should totally concoct a language where each command is written in a language selected based on the hash of the previous command. 22:36:04 You are missing the point! 22:36:39 boring 22:36:43 ehird: What they want is, essentially, Java applets. 22:36:47 Except with HTML. 22:36:55 And you don't want Java applets. Ever. :P 22:36:57 (in other words: vomit) 22:37:32 ehird, sure. But you must admit that Java applets are a *significantly* better tool for what they want than AJAX. 22:37:39 (because it's at least *meant* to do that) 22:37:43 mm 22:38:00 Anyway, Sgeo, if you use it I will stab your heart out with a fork. 22:38:03 Unlike AJAX, which is, well, a massive pile of hacks. 22:38:40 Hey, hey, pikhq. 22:38:42 Don't diss ajax. 22:38:47 It's just an http client mechanism exposed to javascript. 22:38:55 Sorry, sorry. 22:38:58 Hate the playa, not the game :P 22:39:12 I should specify further: the common usage of AJAX is a massive pile of hacks. 22:39:17 yah 22:39:38 incidentally, can i digress for a second and say that mobile internet plans really supersuck? 22:39:39 £15/mo for 5GB, ffs 22:39:40 Instead of vaguely dynamic hypertext, we get applications! ... In a language meant for vaguely dynamic hypertext! 22:39:40 * GregorR-L hugs JS 22:40:00 orange are apparently offering unmetered broadband… between midnight and 9am… 22:40:03 subject to "fair usage policy" 22:40:04 …for… 22:40:07 £44.86/mo. 22:40:11 X-D 22:40:15 GregorR-L: We're not hating on JS. We're hating on people who believe that its abuse is a good software platform. ;) 22:40:19 It costs less than that for 8mbit residential internet PLUS PHONE SERVICE. 22:40:26 pikhq: http://codu.org/jsmips/ 22:40:31 Heck, it costs less than that for 24mbit internet. 22:40:41 GregorR-L: Yes, but you don't believe that its abuse is a good software platform. 22:40:48 GregorR-L: You think that its abuse is fun to play with. 22:40:54 Ah :P 22:41:26 What's Google Web Toolkit for? Does it get the same scorn as Pyjamas? 22:41:42 Sgeo: It's a Java -> Javascript compiler. 22:41:44 GWT basically compiles Java to JS 22:41:47 And libraries. 22:41:49 George W Toolkit 22:42:07 So, what's so bad about Pyjamas compared to GWT? 22:42:14 `google pyjamas 22:42:16 Like GWT, pyjamas involves the translation of the application and libraries ( including UI widgets and DOM classes) to Javascript and the packaging up of ... \ [15]Pyjamas Book - [16]Getting started - [17]Features - [18]Showcase 22:42:26 The author is more retarded than the authors of GWT. 22:42:34 Presumably Pyjamas is from Python? So it's dynamic -> dynamic. 22:42:43 GWT gives you static typing. 22:42:55 Also, Pyjamas is not actually compiling Python to Javascript. 22:43:02 Pyjamas is language I do know quite well -> Language I don't know that well 22:43:04 pikhq, hm? 22:43:08 It's creating Python programs that generate Javascript. 22:43:14 -!- ehird_ has joined. 22:43:20 Erm. It's a libraries that lets you create ... 22:43:26 ... Hate English. 22:43:27 ...as I was saying 22:43:30 -!- Gracenotes has quit ("Leaving"). 22:43:33 Grumble grumble my grumble operating grumble system transparently-networked components grumble grumble 22:43:40 Look, Sgeo 22:43:54 Pyjamas is not simply a Python→Javascript compiler 22:43:57 EVEN IF IT WAS 22:44:02 Fuckin' learn Javascript. 22:44:14 it is not acceptable to spew out crappy, bloated generated code. 22:44:30 -!- Judofyr has quit (Nick collision from services.). 22:44:34 In my universe, it is always acceptable to spew crappy, bloated generated code. 22:44:37 Javascript most reminds me of Plof, only somewhat less dynamic. 22:44:37 -!- Judofyr_ has changed nick to Judofyr. 22:44:43 GregorR: Can you fix jsmips not to spew about every filesystem access? 22:44:48 * Sgeo vaguely considers making a calculator in Pyjamas, just to see ehird's reaction 22:45:06 ehird_: It was for when I was on a SUPER-slow connection, so I wouldn't think "is this broken or just slow" :P 22:45:15 Sgeo: Uh, "congratulations, you can do stupid shit"? 22:45:27 GregorR-L: it doesn't seem to cache the FS well 22:45:30 ls is quite slow each time 22:45:33 although the notes stop appearing 22:45:55 I'm tempted to do an ARM emulator in js 22:46:18 Feel free to steal or not steal whatever you don't want or want, respectively, from JSMIPS. 22:46:57 I suggest at least taking the terminal emulation and ELF loader. 22:47:05 Possibly also the FS stuff. 22:47:06 who said I'd use elf. 22:47:12 also the terminal emulation isn't his 22:47:20 I've modified it *shrugs* 22:47:20 and I want to make a real display 22:47:21 He patched it, though. 22:47:25 → "graphics card" 22:47:27 and canvas display 22:47:32 Ahhh, you want a full ARM emulator. 22:47:34 including x11 22:47:35 Not an ARM ABI emulator. 22:47:38 GregorR-L: yep 22:47:45 Which is to say, you want something that will amazingly be EVEN SLOWER than JSMIPS. 22:47:50 GregorR-L: nooooooo 22:47:53 me optimise 22:48:00 compile code directly :< 22:48:03 jit jit jit 22:48:15 * GregorR-L laughs scornfully. 22:48:24 * pikhq hasn't tried jsmips in 3.5 22:48:36 Let's see how much improvement we get from a JIT'ing Javascript. 22:48:41 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 22:49:28 pikhq: i still have the faster js engine :> 22:49:31 safari in your face 22:50:07 ehird_: Hush. 22:50:21 it's fast for me 22:50:24 I thought that Firefox 3.5 actually had a faster JS engine than Safari, though? 22:50:34 GregorR-L: what happened to jsmmix or whatever 22:50:41 pikhq: hmm i dunno 22:50:42 maybe 22:50:43 IIRC, it's about on par with early releases of Chrome. 22:50:44 but 22:50:46 I abandoned it for JSMIPS :P 22:50:48 hahahahahaha pikhq 22:50:55 SquirrelFish Extreme... aka Nitro... 22:50:57 is way faster than V8 22:51:03 Okay, then. 22:51:04 JS only guarantees 32-bit integers, so MMIX was godawfully slow 64-bit emulation everywhere. 22:51:18 GregorR-L: um 22:51:20 js has no integers 22:51:22 just doubles 22:51:25 or floats, whatever 22:51:31 JS has numbers which are stored as floats or integers depending on use. 22:51:37 that's not specified yet 22:51:39 err 22:51:40 s/yet/yo/ 22:51:50 And yet, EVERYBODY does it that way :P 22:51:52 Therefore, I don't care. 22:52:05 GregorR-L: Yes, but I've never seen a JS engine that only does 32-bit integers 22:52:32 Do you mean "only" as in "and not 64-bit integers"? 22:52:36 Or "only" as in "and not floats" 22:52:46 Because I'm yet to find one that does 64-bit integers at all. 22:53:10 javascript:alert(2147483648); 22:53:11 alerts it 22:53:13 safari 4 22:53:15 nitro/sf 22:53:16 sfx 22:53:47 Fairly certain that fits into a double. 22:54:37 Besides, the bitwise operations are all over 32-bit integers. 22:54:44 GregorR-L: gimme a number that doesn't 22:54:45 And that IS specified. 22:54:46 i'm lazy 22:54:54 I'm at work, so no, I'm not going to poke around at that :P 22:55:11 hmm javascript:alert((2147483648<<1)>>1); DOES give 0 here 22:55:12 oh well 22:55:53 Jebus, that's slow. 22:56:00 Very spiffy, but slow. 22:56:29 what is slow 22:56:34 jsmips? 22:56:41 Yup. 22:56:51 Are you running 'vim'? :P 22:56:59 Because 'vi' is quite usable here. 22:57:01 GregorR-L: No. 22:57:06 Huh *shrugs* 22:57:08 It took me a while just to get #!/bin/sh started. 22:57:20 ... Actually. 22:57:34 How's the filesystem access work? AJAX to the server to fetch stuff? 22:57:38 Yup 22:57:42 [[Implanted RFID chips encoded with your genetic code which can then be verified with a simple genetic test using blood taken from a random spot on your body. Also implanted with it, a GPS tracking device so people will know where you are at if someone is trying to attempt identity theft which will leave a trail for investigators to follow if ever a crime is committed. 22:57:43 Just part of it, we could also have other redundant methods of checking, like finger print scans (I have one on my laptop) or retina, or just facial recognition software. All of this would be backed up by the GPS device, Audio/Visual surveillance and monitoring of internet and phone activity for data mining, should it become necessary.]] 22:57:47 Okay, that's why it's slow. XD 22:57:52 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrgghhhhhhhhhh 22:58:00 we must kill this person post-haste 22:58:04 pikhq: it caches, so try the command again 22:58:18 oh "You do realize I've been joking this whole time, right? I thought it was obvious, but based on some people's reactions, I'm starting to get worried..." 22:58:22 poe's law poe's law 22:58:37 ehird_: STABBY STABBY STABBY 22:59:01 -!- ehird has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 22:59:05 GregorR-L: Nice work, BTW. 22:59:27 I'm so many months past actually caring about JSMIPS :P 22:59:44 GregorR-L: Yes, I noticed. 22:59:48 MEH 22:59:59 4 months since the last commit (except for the commit making it valid XHTML 1.1). 23:00:02 ;) 23:00:33 ew xhtml 1.1 23:00:33 The XHTML 1.1 commit was one day after I installed a script that will harass me if it finds any non-compliant visible files on Codu :P 23:00:33 GregorR-L: Anyways. What userspace you running there? Few hacked up programs, or Busybox, or what? 23:00:53 pikhq: heirloom 23:01:16 So, classic UNIX, basically. 23:01:19 pikhq: busybox is too Linux-dependent. bash I got working once but it was slow (actually it'd probably be faster now) 23:01:20 Yeah 23:02:38 * pikhq waits as ls fetches the entire contents of /bin/ 23:03:48 That was dumb :P 23:03:55 Actually, what's dumb is my implementation of stat. 23:03:58 That causes it to do that. 23:04:01 But that was still dumb! 23:04:34 GregorR-L: But after that, I can play with everything! 23:04:41 'struth. 23:04:54 Until something kills your console and you have to refresh ;) 23:05:13 Not worth it. I can play when I get high-speed Internets. 23:05:27 AND THEN GREGOR DISAPPEARED 23:05:29 -!- GregorR-L has quit ("Leaving"). 23:21:23 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("I need sleep!"). 23:21:55 pikhq, play what? 23:23:23 JSMIPS 23:25:20 4 months since the last commit (except for the commit making it valid XHTML 1.1). 23:25:20 ;) 23:25:20 ew xhtml 1.1 23:25:24 GregorR, good work :D 23:27:43 i hope AnMaster eventually dedicates his life to annoying me 23:28:05 i'll become a zealot of not jumping off cliffs 23:37:36 lol 23:37:50 -!- Sgeo has changed nick to NoiseIncreaser. 23:41:15 -!- Warrigal has joined. 23:41:25 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 23:42:34 Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your hats! 23:42:41 * Warrigal takes GregorR's hat. 23:42:41 No. 23:43:00 I don't have a hat 23:43:01 and why 23:43:14 [spoiler]DONT HELP HIM[/spoiler] 23:44:07 ehird_, err? 23:46:00 Warrigal, why? 23:47:22 Because hats are fun. 23:49:27 -!- ineiros_ has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 23:49:43 -!- ineiros_ has joined.