< 1249776004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it does have a notion of "tasks". < 1249776012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah but those are uber-vague < 1249776026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it doesn't know the difference between processes and threads though < 1249776047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't have a fucking *clue* about doing that on multiple processors. < 1249776060 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMP is... A hack. < 1249776064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the same on linux at least. just fork() but instead of COW it is shared on write < 1249776068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yep < 1249776082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the OS needs to handle scheduling across different CPUs < 1249776083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, x86 is a series of hacks. So. < 1249776088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :processes are stupid < 1249776109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the single worst example of the hardware/kernel details being exposed to the top-level < 1249776122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and dual core is funnier < 1249776131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :short quotation from intel docs showing this: < 1249776153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some bit fields in IA32_MISC_ENABLE MSR (MSR address 1A0H) may be shared between two logical processors sharing a processor core, or may be shared between different cores in a physical processor. See Appendix B, “Model-Specific Registers (MSRs)”." < 1249776171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes MSRs... < 1249776171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dual-core? don't you mean N-core < 1249776175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yes < 1249776177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "multi core" < 1249776185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant some weird 2-core specificness < 1249776198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry I was vague < 1249776207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you need to sync MTRRs between cpus btw < 1249776210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about cores < 1249776231 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I said "true pedants" not "pedants" < 1249776238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: please, can't you stop talking about this? it's making me want to get a heap of cash, buy a Symbolics and lock myself in a cave < 1249776239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not properly syncing them caused some semi-(in)famous bug in linux years ago. < 1249776244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHetc < 1249776263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, :D < 1249776279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITHOUT EVEN AN ETHERNET CABLE < 1249776291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so lets skip hyperthreading then ;P < 1249776296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hint: it is even worse) < 1249776300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cpu can handle hyperthreading. < 1249776305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doooooon't want to think about that < 1249776305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the OS must < 1249776309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what why < 1249776312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't i just pretend it's a core. < 1249776324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nop. Not on the basic level < 1249776328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean hyperthreading worked in windows before the pentium 4 afaik < 1249776331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks quite different < 1249776332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in the test samples. < 1249776347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it would bloat the silicon to handle the scheduling but urgh < 1249776356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pretty sure the shipped some driver then that enabled it then < 1249776363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1249776374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so step one become the most-used OS in the world < 1249776375 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. I'm vomiting. < 1249776375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or maybe the interface was different back then < 1249776378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step two make intel my bitch and do it for me < 1249776383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, about? < 1249776385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: try not to < 1249776387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hyperthreading? < 1249776393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is such an *awful* design. < 1249776394 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: All of x86. < 1249776395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so I agree < 1249776398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL OF IT. < 1249776405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the result of hyperthreading is cool! < 1249776442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I do believe that CPUs themselves need to be more abstract. A Brainfuck machine with peripherals memory-mapped? < 1249776449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you don't want to know how debuggers work < 1249776453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: graph reducer, bitch < 1249776454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bit makes me want to vomit < 1249776467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Why, they hook in to the VM in question, of course. < 1249776468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware breakpoints *eugh* < 1249776476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I meant, traditional debuggers < 1249776479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're running a legacy native code program, you hook into the emulator! < 1249776483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU < 1249776488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: A graph reducer? That would be awesome. < 1249776490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLUFFY UNICORNS LA LA LA < 1249776491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it exists! < 1249776503 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: A HASKELL MACHINE! < 1249776504 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1249776510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's what a graph reducer is! < 1249776513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds awesome < 1249776515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES! < 1249776521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1249776523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll link you < 1249776549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I assume you know about CPUID btw? < 1249776553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.york.ac.uk/fp/reduceron/ < 1249776556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the think on x86 to check what the CPU supports < 1249776559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairly good idea < 1249776578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm not targeting anything below, say, core 2 < 1249776589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd support Atom if it did 64 bit < 1249776614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, first you must check CPUID exists. Since it didn't on 386. Thus you must first test if you can write to a specific register. If you can't bail out with "augh this is a 386. don't even try to run me" < 1249776618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I really have better things to do than cater to people with ancient CPUs < 1249776634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just showing how horrible x86 is ^ < 1249776641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1249776649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I'm not thinking about anything older than a few years < 1249776652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw to run 64-bit you need to set up page table first < 1249776656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bloody Haskell machine! < 1249776659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least modern x86_64 cpus are basically intercompatible < 1249776665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, the Reduceron is. < 1249776667 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Currently-produced Atom chips are 64-bit. < 1249776671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are? < 1249776673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might support them. < 1249776677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as in. you need paging enabled to enter long mode (long mode = official name for 64-bit mode) < 1249776682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah, I know. < 1249776694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably set up a ridiculous paging scheme that lets me abuse it for nefarious purposes. < 1249776709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the first thing my OS will do is do what it needs to do to enter long mode and then do i. < 1249776711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1249776713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, to begin with just creating a page for the entire memory might be sane < 1249776716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye bye, legacy cruft. < 1249776723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: To begin with? Why, LoseThos never gives up that notion! < 1249776732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1249776742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the "enter long mode" bit is probably best coded in asm. For your own sanity I mean < 1249776749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course < 1249776754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as the Forth implementation < 1249776762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No GRUB, too. < 1249776766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing my own bootloader. < 1249776772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? Because GRUB's written in C. :P < 1249776778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, uses ELF. < 1249776786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I would suggest forth begins directly/shortly after you entered long mode < 1249776792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1249776793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All that using GRUB gets you is entering protected mode. < 1249776805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is *annoying*, but not too hard to write. < 1249776806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, which is quite nice though < 1249776825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :entering long mode is worse than entering protected mode < 1249776832 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1249776840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bootloader → long mode → forth → basic hardware setup → smalltalk vm → rest of hardware → full bootup procedure (unless it's the first time, this consists basically of restoring the last state) → done! < 1249776853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw, another issue. In long mode you need all drivers. < 1249776854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1249776858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protected mode is just a few frobs to the keyboard controller and a ocuple register. < 1249776861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't enter the 16 bit mode thingy < 1249776864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to call the BIOS < 1249776866 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. Couple registers. < 1249776877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What? You can't use the BIOS in long mode? < 1249776886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just making sure I'm understanding you right < 1249776921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SILENCE < 1249776924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, basically you can't use the BIOS interrupts to handle stuff like basic hardware for you (PATA/SATA controller for example) before you written a driver < 1249776928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when in long mode < 1249776940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the driver stay in 16-bit mode or something? < 1249776956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, I suppose existing 64-bit OSs just DIY it? < 1249776957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, do you know about vm86? < 1249776958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, then I will. < 1249776962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1249776977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks putrid < 1249776980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtual 8086 mode < 1249776985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to call the bios < 1249776991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other stuff < 1249776993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, does the BIOS really do all that much for you? < 1249777007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine what with incompatibilities and the like, it wouldn't be too hard to avoid using it < 1249777016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it provides slow access to hardware until you have your own drivers up and running < 1249777018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incompatibilities i.e. you can't rely on stuff that differs between BIOSes) < 1249777026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BIOSs < 1249777033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: eh < 1249777043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's useful for... accessing the harddrive, and not much else < 1249777045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, before you handle the VESA bit yourself you can use interrupts to make the BIOS do it. < 1249777049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard can it be to use SATA? < 1249777054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: don't need VESA < 1249777064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until boot < 1249777071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well VGA then. Before you have anything up however... < 1249777079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't need VGA < 1249777110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, there's no sense in using BIOS interrupts for doing VGA. < 1249777130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway my point is that until you developed your own drivers for stuff like harddrive, video, keyboard/mouse (usb emulation is provided by bios), going into long mode == bad idea < 1249777131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no fancy bootup process; you turn it on, the screen sits there for a few seconds and then it turns graphical and your objects appear how you left them < 1249777138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't really need those things < 1249777147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the drivers are written in forth and smalltalk < 1249777148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooo < 1249777151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :P < 1249777157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes less code to talk to the VGA card manually then it does to thunk to the BIOS... < 1249777160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes. But I bet you won't have them ready right away < 1249777195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: consider that the entire number of times it interacts with the user until the smalltalk VM is up and running is zero < 1249777198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no input, no output < 1249777201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well iirc the first few lines are traditionally done by thunk to BIOS. Like when grub is printing "Loading stage 1.5" < 1249777221 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Still no point in it. < 1249777221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh no < 1249777227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was writing my os and printing out lines to the screen < 1249777231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just B80000 or something < 1249777238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you just write to it at y*80+x or something < 1249777239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial < 1249777245 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's the address of the framebuffer. < 1249777247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line wrapping, a few lines < 1249777250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrolling, about ten < 1249777266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a tiny bit more complicated to actually have non-textual graphics, but even that's not hard. < 1249777274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing a couple of things to the VGA registers. < 1249777287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm, maybe I misremember that bit then. Still you need to do it for harddisk < 1249777309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Yeah, that's called "a bootloader". < 1249777313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed < 1249777315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard can talking to sata be < 1249777330 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Harder than an interrupt. :P < 1249777332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that I have no clue about. But pretty hard I bet < 1249777338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with DMA and such < 1249777359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the most simple HD access is needed until smalltalk is running and loads the full HD driver < 1249777362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you need memory management up < 1249777377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, every time a system managed to boot we show be overawed. < 1249777379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1249777379 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: DMA is optional. < 1249777381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to write memory management as part of the forth < 1249777383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so s'ok < 1249777388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are used to it working < 1249777395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is quite a feat when you think about it < 1249777409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :careful! thinking like that turns you into thom yorke. < 1249777416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thom yorke"? < 1249777419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1249777424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who/what < 1249777433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :famous painter < 1249777435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18th century < 1249777455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_Yorke <-- wikipedia fails then < 1249777464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of that guy < 1249777469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be named after him or sth < 1249777480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no disambig link < 1249777488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he wasn't exactly famous i just like him < 1249777516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok. explain that reference though please < 1249777522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, what did he paint < 1249777524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1249777534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes me similar to him when thinking that above < 1249777542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a reference to his painting Rocks Crushed Over the Sky At Five O'Clock < 1249777555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice name. < 1249777569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1249777579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google doesn't turn up anything relevant < 1249777597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just music < 1249777601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1249777602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1249777627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw your boot loader. It has to fit in a *tiny* space < 1249777654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't < 1249777657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's my bootloader < 1249777663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jmp ptr < 1249777674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you need to load something to jump to < 1249777691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1249777698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a bit more :P < 1249777706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asking sata for a KB or so of code < 1249777706 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... Boot loaders are trivial. < 1249777711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, true < 1249777712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds awfully hard! < 1249777715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could even use the bios. < 1249777717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, shaddup. < 1249777728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I didn't say they were hard < 1249777733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just trying to scare ehird :P < 1249777736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since you've got a whole block to work with and BIOS interrupts. < 1249777741 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And bootloaders don't do much. < 1249777750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and IMO MBR is awful. < 1249777752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a hello world os in assembly including bootloader following a nice little tutorial thing once < 1249777754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a loop that reads a few blocks in and jumps. < 1249777758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't understand a lot of the operations but < 1249777761 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've played tic-tac-toe in a bootloader < 1249777764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was rather trivial < 1249777766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really I want a sane system like PPC+Open Firmware < 1249777767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a few hundred lines. < 1249777775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: whoa whoa don't call that sane, it's just better < 1249777779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM + OpenFirmware, even closer < 1249777781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well true < 1249777788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but until we enter lisp machine territory, we're not sane < 1249777791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPC is quite nice though < 1249777793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're just more creatively deranged < 1249777794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Reduceron? < 1249777795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of registers < 1249777802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ARM gives you a free shift in every instruction. < 1249777804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERY INSTRUCTION. < 1249777807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rest my case. ARM is cool. < 1249777815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, low heat and low poewr. < 1249777816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power < 1249777827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power requirements, that is < 1249777830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, shift? as in some flag to shift the value by n? < 1249777838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically. < 1249777852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can append ; right/leftshift foo to every instruction < 1249777863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without performance penalty < 1249777863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less < 1249777873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often is that useful I wonder < 1249777892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in embedded work? tons! < 1249777893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares though < 1249777894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool < 1249777902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1249777919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, everyone knows the only real sane platform is Itanium/EFI. < 1249777921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :crickets < 1249777923 0 :crickets!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION chirp
< 1249777926 0 :crickets!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1249777946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even I hate EFI! < 1249777959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know enough about EFI < 1249777967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Itanium is a cool concept < 1249777969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bloated OS that replaces your BIOS/OpenFirmware. < 1249777980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, SGI's Altix 4000 server could have up to 2048 CPUs < 1249777992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess someone hacked in one more and had to wait on xkcd's linux patch. < 1249777996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, linux supports up to 4096 iirc? < 1249778006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fairly sure xkcd just made that up < 1249778023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fairly sure it does support 4096 ones (at least) < 1249778035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool how it's limited < 1249778039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereby cool i mean stupid < 1249778051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "at least" means "maybe not limited" < 1249778055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be limited < 1249778064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in MYYYYYYYYY os, everything like that is a bignum < 1249778071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INCLUDING THE DATETIME CLASS < 1249778182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1249778465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Everything? < 1249778472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is curious how you write lambdas as a bignum
< 1249778473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1249778482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING INTEGERIC < 1249778499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(integeric, adj. When you start to write numeric but realise integral would be better, and want to have some fun.) < 1249778535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1249778562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: So, in other words: Integral a has one instance: Bignum. < 1249778573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not in the low level Forth. :P < 1249778581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and not when conversing with hardware. < 1249778593 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, of course. < 1249778606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because hardware's a bitch, and Forth's low-level. < 1249778635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh talking with x86 is fun < 1249778643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1249778646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is never fun. < 1249778649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just don't want to know how some structures are packed < 1249778658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Forth is so funly low-level. < 1249778672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have a string on the stack and want to shuffle it? HOPE YOU REMEMBER THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE ELEMENTS IN ONE < 1249778675 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, the pointer in the GDT. < 1249778701 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that in 3 or 4 different parts? < 1249778723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, something like that < 1249778724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gave up on my previous os because of the gdt < 1249778728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just triple faulted when i set it up < 1249778731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO MATTER WHAT ;_; < 1249778741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when i copied it verbatim from the bkdev tutorial < 1249778753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bkerndev < 1249778760 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I was able to get it down to a single fault! < 1249778766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: then you gave up? :D < 1249778769 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... By having an interrupt handler) < 1249778773 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1249778967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided to never write an OS after seeing the GDT < 1249779029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully, in my OS I only need one segment < 1249779040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set as completely free-for-all < 1249779095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Linux uses two segments iirc < 1249779099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernel and user space < 1249779108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know of no such thing! < 1249779128 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two segments more map to "ring 0" and "ring 3". < 1249779128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say your OS would < 1249779135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well yes < 1249779144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenBSD has twice as many segments. < 1249779151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh why? < 1249779152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read xor execute. ;) < 1249779159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1249779164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It lets them emulate the NX bit. < 1249779168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1249779177 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They split the memory space in half. < 1249779180 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W^X, though, not R^X. < 1249779185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what a waste of memory! < 1249779186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One side has read/write stuff. < 1249779188 0 :morenel!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1249779192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One side has executable stuff. < 1249779195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed < 1249779200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway all RWX ftw! < 1249779201 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That's only one systems without the NX bit. < 1249779207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/one/on/ < 1249779208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, NX for the win :P < 1249779209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: still! < 1249779217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Totally unneeded in my OS! < 1249779232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, great for protecting against bugs though < 1249779239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso? < 1249779245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't read/write to memory directly. < 1249779251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or execute it. < 1249779253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for the forth layers < 1249779258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will debug a lot < 1249779270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything that helps detect bugs early == a good thing < 1249779283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know that the Forth layer is expected to be at its most bloated and fullest, say, 10,000 lines? < 1249779288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's after years. < 1249779296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. Still < 1249779303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, using NX in Forth code would... < 1249779309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defeat the point. < 1249779312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXECUTE etc. < 1249779314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Becaues. < 1249779316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Because < 1249779319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth never executes machine code like that < 1249779324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can still run anything as a forth word < 1249779331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd only help to catch bugs in the underlying Forth implementation < 1249779335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION imagines a x86_128 where NX would be required
< 1249779341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and said implementation will be quite short and very low-level < 1249779343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to annoy ehird :P < 1249779346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In conclusion, NX doesn't help me at all. < 1249779410 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: How many people need to address 302231454903657293676544 petabytes, anyways? < 1249779433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at his Dyson sphere as a holograph.
< 1249779435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not yet indeed. I bet it will happen faster than we expect though < 1249779436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... nobody. < 1249779437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1249779437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(128 is a *very* big number) < 1249779440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1249779441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No. < 1249779448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I mean, passing 2^64 faster < 1249779459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1249779460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^128 is probably quite safe due to number of atoms and so on < 1249779477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 96 bit adressing would be really quite awkward < 1249779490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I bet they will just jump to 2^128 < 1249779497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If one petabyte took up 1 angstrom of space, the whole of 128-bit's address space would be 0.003 lightyears. < 1249779498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1249779498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better marketing-wise too < 1249779523 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thereby letting you mmap the entirety of the Universe. < 1249779527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : If one petabyte took up 1 angstrom of space, the whole of 128-bit's address space would be 0.003 lightyears. <-- amazing :D < 1249779531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, cool idea < 1249779548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1249779561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is guaranteed future proof < 1249779576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless we discover multiverse or something < 1249779600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you still want paging however. To handle swap and such < 1249779657 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: His entire design implies paging. < 1249779663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1249779666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And having the entire hard drive mapped in memory. ;) < 1249779678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was fearing he would go for "single page" < 1249779680 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249779683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is possible < 1249779686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1249779694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86_64 supports 1 GB pages < 1249779699 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that would make it very hard to do object persistence. < 1249779704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm ok < 1249779737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much, much easier to give objects their own pages that may or may not be on the disk. < 1249779754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, quite a bit of waste of space there < 1249779763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for small objects < 1249779770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there will be lots of small objects < 1249779784 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: And? < 1249779790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum? < 1249779795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm always against wasting < 1249779802 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bit of waste for small processes on UNIX, and there's a *lot* of small processes. < 1249779816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, in fact, a defining aspect. < 1249779820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not quite as many as there would be objects < 1249779833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming objects are as fine graded as I understood him < 1249779853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about the same waste involved in having a lot of small files on the disk. < 1249779864 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Nobody even *talks* about that waste. < 1249779873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I worry about it < 1249779875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1249779884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I considered a pool system to solve it < 1249779892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a freak who still has a sub-1GB drive. < 1249779896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having the disk split in two parts. "large" and "small" < 1249779905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :growing from different ends < 1249779919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat like the heap and stack grows from different ends < 1249779924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(traditionally) < 1249779974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, like having 4 KB blocks at one end, and 1 KB at the other end < 1249780144 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1249780168 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Freak who has a sub-1MB drive, I meant. < 1249780175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, :D < 1249780184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, 350 GB and 160 GB < 1249780185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1249780189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also one at 20 GB < 1249780192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my old p3 < 1249780199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then WHY THE CRAP DO YOU WORRY ABOUT THAT? < 1249780217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why not < 1249780243 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you've lost more than 100MB from the waste involved in having a large amount of small files, I will buy a hat and then eat my hat! < 1249780302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bacq < 1249780323 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1249780334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I have. By having 16 GB of sub-1KB files. < 1249780339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flightgear scenery < 1249780348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is stored in a horrible format. < 1249780364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one file with altitudes per each 0.1 degrees lat/long iirc < 1249780368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it 0.2? < 1249780368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you know what? < 1249780372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1249780376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New drives are going to have BIGGER BLOCKS. < 1249780379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Megabyte-range. < 1249780381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:) < 1249780390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, depends on the file system < 1249780398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no < 1249780399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean drive level < 1249780421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe. But FS can use less < 1249780430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is what matters for space waste < 1249780440 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it is *absurdly* painful and inefficient to do so. < 1249780440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm wasting space by never deleting anything and revisioning every single change < 1249780446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and persisting generic objects < 1249780452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of hand-tinkered formats < 1249780461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and megabyte sized blocks is absurd too < 1249780464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a *nix system < 1249780464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a big fuck-you-and-buy-a-big-drive, AnMaster :P < 1249780467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1249780468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not absurd < 1249780473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1249780484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not if you assume gnu userland :P < 1249780490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so, let's talk about how AnMaster is a dinosaur < 1249780515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: *nix filesystems with large blocks store small files in the inode, IIRC. < 1249780529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck files. Fuuuuuuuuck files. < 1249780530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, /bin/ls is 108 KB. 64-bit GNU userland < 1249780535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Files are for bedwetters. < 1249780560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: please, tell me how many files you have in /bin, /usr/bin and /etc < 1249780562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in total < 1249780576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not /usr/lib too? < 1249780578 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For comparison, /bin/busybox is 976K. < 1249780582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, /usr/lib too. < 1249780597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find /bin /usr/bin /etc /usr/lib | wc -l # *waits* < 1249780612 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5907 here. < 1249780635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7908 here < 1249780638 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, find. XD < 1249780642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but /usr/share contains lots of small files too < 1249780649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scans it too
< 1249780658 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4232. < 1249780659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what did you do btw < 1249780666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't use find < 1249780669 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls | wc -l < 1249780673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls -r? < 1249780675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So, if we have 1MB blocks, then your files would take up 7.9GB total (ignoring the larger files which will be rare). < 1249780682 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not -r. < 1249780693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So, a FORTIETH of a modern-sized drive. < 1249780698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awful! < 1249780698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, waiting for /usr/share which mostly contain small files < 1249780702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unbearable! < 1249780703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 2 KB icons < 1249780705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and similar < 1249780707 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including share, I get: 195622 < 1249780708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :locale files < 1249780716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, /usr/share still scanning here < 1249780720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the man pages too < 1249780721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I install documentation for everything) < 1249780722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what not < 1249780727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Remember the inode thing. < 1249780727 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Clearly you need ext4. < 1249780738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I use that on my new laptop < 1249780741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is on my desktop < 1249780746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*notebook < 1249780748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# find /bin /usr/bin /etc /usr/lib /usr/lib32 /usr/share | wc -l < 1249780748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :154035 < 1249780754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um? < 1249780766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't install docs for everything < 1249780774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[01:15] pikhq: AnMaster: *nix filesystems with large blocks store small files in the inode, IIRC. < 1249780785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ... no I meant < 1249780788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : *notebook < 1249780791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird, um? < 1249780795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. They're not laptops any more. < 1249780799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no? < 1249780806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1249780806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1249780812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use them on my lap < 1249780819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to well known risks < 1249780821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, seems Lenovo actually still refers to ThinkPads as laptops. < 1249780823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just asking for trouble. < 1249780841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: personally I don't care about my sperm, the issue is the comp overheating < 1249780852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well it is "bärbar" in Swedish. Translates to "carry-able" < 1249780855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly you might need a beefy lap and some hardcore computation to do that, but < 1249780861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly "portable" < 1249780861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's some low standard for a portable computer! < 1249780866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1249780872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, literal translation... < 1249780875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is carryable < 1249780939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: personally I don't care about my sperm, the issue is the comp overheating <-- not yet. You will in the future I bet :P < 1249780947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you want to get children yourself < 1249780954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so approximately never then < 1249780955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, it is some biological instinct < 1249780960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes it will happen < 1249780964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is killing animals for food < 1249780969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with your bare hands and some crude tools < 1249780971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you done that lately? < 1249780972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I meant, on the level or hormones < 1249780982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You mean that most people *don't* do that? < 1249780984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reproduction instinct is on the exact same level < 1249780988 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1249781005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't go out hunting every night armed with barely anything, then you are "denying" your instincts just as much as I do < 1249781009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: they use guns < 1249781015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't make a gun by sharpening a piece of rock < 1249781034 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Sure you can. < 1249781047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just needs a lot of bootstrapping. < 1249781048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call gates are fun < 1249781054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obsolete < 1249781067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: care to answer me? < 1249781078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what line < 1249781085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of the above ↑ < 1249781098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can't make a gun by sharpening a piece of rock <-- I agree with what pikhq said there < 1249781102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ / / < 1249781103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that part. < 1249781111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: they use guns <-- true < 1249781116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that part. < 1249781122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part where i wasn't talking to pikhq. < 1249781139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the reproduction instinct is on the exact same level <-- hm. not sure about that. I'm pretty sure that the "food" instinct is "get food some way" not "that specific way" < 1249781155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I guess all those neanderthal hunters were just really inventive. < 1249781161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every night < 1249781174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um. heard about learning? < 1249781181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even animals can do it < 1249781196 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Animals such as these Sapiens in particular. < 1249781199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's totally not my point, but < 1249781207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact is that there are plenty of people with no wish to breed at all < 1249781231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as we don't do just about every other instinct we have < 1249781234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, elks for example. Children follow their mother to learn what is editable and what isn't < 1249781239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing what she eats < 1249781246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw this on some nature program on TV years ago < 1249781252 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if it has a read-only switch, it's not editable < 1249781256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When in doubt, try and steer the conversation to the previous topic." < 1249781271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahd < 1249781273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo < 1249781291 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/pics/main.php?cmd=imageview&var1=Assorted%2FPinkFedoraRot.jpg Is this hat not the gaudiest thing you've ever seen? < 1249781292 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Not just Sapiens. < 1249781301 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hence "in particular" < 1249781303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eatable I meant except it isn't spelled that < 1249781304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1249781307 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than "specifically" < 1249781309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homo neanderthalensis, notably, was more intelligent that Homo sapiens. ;) < 1249781311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1249781313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so, are you seriously saying that every single human gets the overpowering urge to have children for the rest of their lives? < 1249781317 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edible? < 1249781318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes or no < 1249781320 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Bigger brain != more intelligent < 1249781324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, yep that's it < 1249781325 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (Not at that scale anyway) < 1249781332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Sorry. < 1249781339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm suggesting it is a strong instinct. Not one possible to overcome < 1249781343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: They were demonstrably intelligent, at least. < 1249781352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but harder to overcome than "must hunt food myself" < 1249781352 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tool creation, graves, etc.) < 1249781362 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sure. But not demonstrably intelligent enough to build fucking cities, so we kinda win on that one. < 1249781362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at the population of the world < 1249781372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you suggest anything else :P < 1249781372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone want to snap AnMaster back to reality < 1249781388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Eh, that's a matter of failing at the ice age is all. < 1249781415 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Neanderthals were around for longer than we have been around. < 1249781443 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In all that time they never figured out anywhere near the level of technology we had in some 10K years. < 1249781444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/pics/main.php?cmd=imageview&var1=Assorted%2FPinkFedoraRot.jpg <-- wow. is it new? < 1249781445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Touché. < 1249781448 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So no, they just f***ing lose. < 1249781455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You're misplacing the urge. < 1249781460 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Just bought it :P < 1249781463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The urge is to have sex; the evolutionary intention is for reproduction. < 1249781477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the urge isn't "I really want some GOD DAMN BABIES". < 1249781482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GOD. DAMN. BABIES." < 1249781489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually there is more to it than that. Do you think a baby crying sounds horrible? < 1249781493 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For breakfast. < 1249781499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet you see older people that seems to find it cute. < 1249781503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That has nothing to do with actually having babies. < 1249781508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's to do with once you've got one. < 1249781509 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Do not put the baby on the plate? < 1249781512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course there are childrearing instincts. < 1249781520 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: DO put the baby on the plate! :P < 1249781520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are not fuck-to-make-a-kid instincts; there are fuck instincts. < 1249781523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is true. But you are affected by people *around* you having babies < 1249781528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "wow I want that too" < 1249781533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1249781536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're crazy. < 1249781538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not yet at this age. Thank god for it. < 1249781543 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I can conclude that you have a uterus from that statement. < 1249781544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1249781544 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the instinct to have sex is "make babies", I think it's "put my penis in that" < 1249781547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is that the new Baby 3000?!?!?!?!?!?!" < 1249781551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Omigosh! I want one!" < 1249781551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, :D < 1249781565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, no. You can conclude I read too much bilogy < 1249781566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey, wifey! Can I put my penis in you? I want to make a baby 3000." < 1249781569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :biology* < 1249781577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bilogy: It's like biology but full of absolute bilge. < 1249781584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh < 1249781589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, it's the study of bile. < 1249781593 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nothing else. < 1249781594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1249781621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor bilologists. < 1249781667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, apparently men feel some sort of "take care of babies" instincts too. Not as strongly though. At least that is what I have heard. < 1249781684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, take care of ALREADY EXISTING BABIES. < 1249781691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed < 1249781714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but see what I said above when you joked about model 3000 < 1249781717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, night < 1249781724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once you've satisfied your "Let me vigourously move my penis inwards and outwards of this opening" urge, a little thing appears and you have to satisfy your "Let me stop this thing making that noise" urge. < 1249781739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This helps reproduction, but at no stage is the urge "Let me create a thing that makes that noise". < 1249781824 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How strong is the paternal instinct in humans? Arguably the two instincts you've presented are by two different people :P < 1249781833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, yeah. < 1249781852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is that males, at least, don't get the urge to make a whiney pooping vomiting thing. < 1249781853 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1249781882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…and thus concluding the argument that I could have one from the start by pointing to a sales chart of condoms. < 1249781886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/one/won/ < 1249781909 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were some people wandering about Manhattan giving away "Obama condoms" < 1249781947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds... awesome. < 1249781994 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell they're PURELY a joke. There is actually no political message at all. < 1249781998 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Made me go "8-D" < 1249782010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: That's awesome. < 1249782212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.obamacondoms.com/ < 1249782222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Who says experience is necessary?" x_x < 1249782229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For the elitist penis" < 1249782244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.practicesafepolicy.com/ < 1249782245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god < 1249782247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :McCain condoms < 1249782254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1249782264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just died. < 1249782288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thepalincondom.com/ When abortion is not an option! < 1249782292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's their actual slogan. < 1249782312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I presume they come with a hole in them? < 1249782319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1249782327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, those are Catholic Condoms. < 1249782338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, no. < 1249782357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catholic condoms allow all the sperm to go through. < 1249782360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, every sperm is sacred. < 1249782368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a very big hole. < 1249782507 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249784773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, "kilobit" is now pissing me off. < 1249784776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 1000 bits. < 1249784811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kibibit? < 1249784819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(couldn't sleep < 1249784823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will try again soon) < 1249784826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024 bits. < 1249784835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is wrong with that < 1249784850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A kilobit is used to mean 1000 bytes. < 1249784853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kilo- means 1000. < 1249784855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit means bit. < 1249784857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000 bits. < 1249784860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bits < 1249784862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bytes < 1249784862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 125 bytes. < 1249784863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1249784869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and? < 1249784874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "kilobyte" is not 1024. Kilo means 1000. < 1249784878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it pissing you off < 1249784880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, I am switching to the following unit system: < 1249784890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SI prefixes, including kilo- mean that. The resulting unit means that. < 1249784901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kibi is the retarded nearest-power-of-2 prefixes. < 1249784905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as mebi, etc. < 1249784910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, most people don't use the kibi and such < 1249784917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A byte is B < 1249784918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather they use the SI ones to mean 1024 < 1249784930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kilo- is lowercase k, just like SI. < 1249784935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 kB = 1000 bytes. < 1249784939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Congrats, you're using the *standard*. < 1249784943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ki is kibi. < 1249784947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 KiB = 1024 bytes. < 1249784955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: actually, most people use 1000 < 1249784959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like HD manufacturers do < 1249784989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well. last I looked windows didn't in the properties window < 1249784994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you that was on XP < 1249784998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might have changed < 1249785003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but most people don't look at that. < 1249785013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the difference usually doesn't matter, so those who don't know what it means won't suffer from this. < 1249785021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But from now on, I- < 1249785021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wait. < 1249785026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think K is the SI prefix, not k. < 1249785027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check. < 1249785041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if B is byte, what is bit then < 1249785042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, note that CPU cycles, ethernet, wireless bands, ... also use the 1000 system < 1249785047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bit" < 1249785053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kbit? < 1249785059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about bits per second < 1249785065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that bits/s < 1249785070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE FUCK, SI. < 1249785070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bps < 1249785074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's k, but M and G and T. < 1249785077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, :D < 1249785078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT MAKES SENSE?! < 1249785089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :historical reasons I bet < 1249785091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: K is a unit. < 1249785097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that < 1249785102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better reason < 1249785103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I know but they do it for h, da, d, c, m, u, n, p, f, a, z and y too. < 1249785114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And everything above k - M, G, T, P, E, Z, Y is uppercase. < 1249785117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO FUCK THAT SHIT. < 1249785118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. < 1249785133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, da? < 1249785141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1249785143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deca. < 1249785143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ten. < 1249785145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1249785148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 decabytes! < 1249785150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h would be? < 1249785161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hundred. < 1249785163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hecto. < 1249785166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 5 decibytes? < 1249785171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or dici? < 1249785174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deci = 0.1 < 1249785177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1249785178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dici then < 1249785181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 1/8 < 1249785185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1249785194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1249785206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deca -> dici, deci -> ? < 1249785209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1249785213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have an issue here < 1249785214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_prefix < 1249785218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d and da. < 1249785221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. kB = 1000 bytes. MB = 1000 kB. GB = 1000 MB. TB = 1000 GB. PB = 1000 TB. And kiB = 1024 bytes. MiB = 1024 kiB. GiB = 1024 MiB. TB = 1024 GiB. PB = 1024 TiB. < 1249785231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1249785232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1249785237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. kB = 1000 bytes. MB = 1000 kB. GB = 1000 MB. TB = 1000 GB. PB = 1000 TB. And kiB = 1024 bytes. MiB = 1024 kiB. GiB = 1024 MiB. TiB = 1024 GiB. PiB = 1024 TiB. < 1249785239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there. < 1249785242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1249785247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When defining new measures, use the non-i versions. < 1249785250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DONE. < 1249785264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to confuse things. this is not same as SNMP MIB < 1249785293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : When defining new measures, use the non-i versions. <-- nop, makes less sense for stuff like ram < 1249785299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1249785311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that aren't talking directly to silicon. < 1249785317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1249785393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pebibyte sure is awkward to say. < 1249785445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/577068.txt?key=jap84dhxsagpjw0jgks8g < 1249785448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Official standard. < 1249785457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will now make sure this survives pastie by repeating it in-channel. < 1249785465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SI-friendly information storage units < 1249785465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1249785465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 kB (kilobyte) = 1000 bytes < 1249785466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 MB (megabyte) = 1000 kB < 1249785466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 GB (gigabyte) = 1000 MB < 1249785466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 TB (terabyte) = 1000 GB < 1249785467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 PB (petabyte) = 1000 TB < 1249785469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1249785471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 kiB (kibibyte) = 1024 bytes < 1249785473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 MiB (mebibyte) = 1024 kiB < 1249785475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 GiB (gibibyte) = 1024 MiB < 1249785477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 TiB (tebibyte) = 1024 GiB < 1249785479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 PiB (pebibyte) = 1024 TiB < 1249785481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Pebibyte sure is awkward to say. <-- don't think so? < 1249785481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1249785483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1249785483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When defining new measures, use the non-bi units whenever reasonable (just < 1249785485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about everything that doesn't talk directly to silicon). < 1249785487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byte is wrong < 1249785487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(END OF FILE) < 1249785489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. < 1249785491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's done, and I can get on with my life. < 1249785491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is 8 bits < 1249785493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's your mom < 1249785498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need 10 bit bytes < 1249785503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the SI ones < 1249785515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like kilobyte and kibibite < 1249785516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1249785520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, byte is a fundamental unit < 1249785523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where byte = 10 bits < 1249785536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, less fun :/ < 1249785646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : now night again < 1249785655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why sleep < 1249785657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who sleeps. < 1249785793 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your MOM. < 1249785870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1249786729 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1249786931 0 :TimMcD!n=Tim@75-169-253-196.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249786948 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1249787144 0 :TimMcD!n=Tim@75-169-253-196.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249787505 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey! < 1249787526 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to run an esolang idea by you guys. You up for it? ;) < 1249787547 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably. < 1249787560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be the first time we've been on topic this week. < 1249787566 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe < 1249787567 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://etherpad.com/esolangideas < 1249787568 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1249787597 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the link to a doc describing the lang < 1249787610 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea? bad idea? The kind of idea that makes bile rise in your throat? < 1249787631 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fighting pitiful Internet ATM. < 1249787665 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm I'll type some of it our here then. < 1249787721 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea is based around blocks made up of rows, which are made up of cells. A cell '[]' contains 4 characters, two for the identifier (like classes/types) and two for the method/block identifier. A basic hello world: < 1249787738 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[so0][Hello, world!] < 1249787755 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is standard output identifier, 0 being the identifier for the block that prints out the next cell < 1249787769 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rr, sorry, its actually < 1249787779 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[so0][c0][Hello, world!] < 1249787782 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it now. < 1249787784 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c0 is a generator for strings < 1249787786 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah ok < 1249787849 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not awful, but quite interesting. < 1249787856 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Refreshingly unique semantics. < 1249787857 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1249787860 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1249787883 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Groovy, thanks! < 1249787906 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like there needs to be a betterway to generate strings < 1249787924 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of somethign like: < 1249787925 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[c0][H][e][l][l][o]... < 1249787937 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that would make it even harder to read < 1249787941 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and be a pain to type out < 1249788014 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any suggestions? < 1249788024 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None ATM. < 1249788039 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit distracted ATM. < 1249788043 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Þou? < 1249788513 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :すめません、えごがわかりまsか？ < 1249788697 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who else is looking ati t? http://etherpad.com/esolangideas < 1249788741 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1249789531 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woooh patience? < 1249789540 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyway, rule 90 tie: http://www.zazzle.com/rule_90_tie-151155765045023221 < 1249789906 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1249789922 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249790368 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249792543 0 :TimMcD!n=Tim@75-169-253-196.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249792550 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1249792558 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone here? < 1249792578 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1249792790 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Collapse the probability wave. < 1249792812 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1249792938 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, haskell AND esoteric languages I see. < 1249792952 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://etherpad.com/esolangideas , any thoughts? I understand that string handling could be/should be better... < 1249794016 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1249795330 0 :TimMcD!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1249796423 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249798852 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1249799407 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1249804799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1249804800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1249804996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Who else is looking ati t? http://etherpad.com/esolangideas <-- if only it loaded < 1249805009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it needs javascript < 1249805918 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1249806985 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it does < 1249806995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1249807119 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty neat, actually < 1249809419 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-37.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1249809946 0 :MigoMipo!n=chatzill@84-217-11-227.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249811445 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://etherpad.com/ep/pad/export/esolangideas/latest?format=txt < 1249811859 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-095-208-142-060.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1249813752 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249815144 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-095-208-142-060.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1249815885 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1249816521 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c249DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1249816898 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249819363 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1249820734 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1249821514 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249821616 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1249821783 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1249824161 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-2-207.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1249824357 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c249DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1249824622 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1249825057 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-8-203.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1249825698 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@a91-153-125-186.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1249825701 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glio < 1249825765 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1249825789 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: i had a dream about you < 1249825795 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::X < 1249825800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i was angry at you for some reason < 1249825805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i couldn't talk. < 1249825850 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascinating < 1249825862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terribly < 1249826948 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.86.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249826983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello vagabonds! < 1249827016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: obviously there aren't any here, you didn't get a reply < 1249827026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vagabonds are very humble/secretive, pick one < 1249827128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:42:18 pikhq, haskell AND esoteric languages I see. < 1249827137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how I sarcastically read this: < 1249827142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck AND esoteric languages I see. < 1249827178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell has many of the good points of an esolang, whilst actually being practical < 1249827180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder we like it < 1249827187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:03:29 maybe it needs javascript < 1249827187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i look forward to the day where every web page requires javascript, just to see you demand all links start with gopher:// < 1249827199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1249827204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replying to AnMaster < 1249827220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think people should use gopher to serve up the Javascript for HTML pages < 1249827227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny because etherpad is actually a neat and useful thingy < 1249827237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's gobby, but online so you can just throw someone a link) < 1249827403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it wasn't too good until recently due to being slow; it got better when the makers decided to focus on it instead of the web application backend thinamagic they built it on) < 1249827633 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1249827652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop < 1249827705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sb < 1249827709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1249827729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's a chemistry pun < 1249827733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sb = anti-M0ny < 1249827761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1249827766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how likely is it that anyone would get that? < 1249827773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty low, I imagine < 1249827820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've been waiting months to make that pun < 1249827826 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249828026 0 :MigoMipo!n=chatzill@84-217-11-227.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249828121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric < 1249828124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the food and drug administration." < 1249828129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/98rob/seriously_rnc_oh_its_on_now/c0btuoq < 1249828149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Pfft, the free market can do that. < 1249828159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : With magic. < 1249828231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Funny how such a good comment is followed in two steps by: "tl;dr, but upvoted and made this comment so that I can come back tomorrow after I've had a good night's sleep.") < 1249828264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Six paragraphs, one is very short (being the title), two are short.) < 1249828277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe we should just start prescribing ritalin to *everyone*.) < 1249828848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You've got to give libertarians *some* credit. ... I can't come up with any reason why. < 1249828910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are advancing stupidity research! < 1249828966 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they made snow crash possible? < 1249828972 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go. That's what I was looking for. < 1249828981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snow Crash - some definition of possible < 1249828995 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant the writing of it < 1249829014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, did they take away all of his state-given resources or something? < 1249829016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this gave him superpowers? < 1249829027 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's just < 1249829031 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without libertarians < 1249829040 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wouldn't have had the anarchocapitalist setting < 1249829046 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Hmm. Well, *one* actual thing about libertarians: they take what the Republicans *claim* to be in support of and actually *support* it. < 1249829047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good! then we wouldn't have as many shitty books < 1249829059 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, they're at least *honest* about what they believe. < 1249829078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ain't much, but it's something. < 1249829400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lols that yourworldoftext.com uses repeated ajax requests instead of comet
< 1249829407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't people learn from the counter? < 1249829489 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know the major problem that "ZOMG FREE MARKET" people have? An ideal free market is like an ideal gas: it doesn't *exist*. It's just a useful model. < 1249829521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, no. < 1249829525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's made of magic and fluffiness. < 1249829533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why, if you try and touch it to make it better, it turns into rage itself. < 1249829536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And kills everyone. < 1249829543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matter how small the change. < 1249829546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUH. < 1249829550 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: So, what you're saying is that, if you get rid of all governments, it all magically works? < 1249829559 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hooray"? < 1249829560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you need a government to guard the free market, duh. < 1249829568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also to enforce property! < 1249829574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a completely free market would fail because people dislike immigrants < 1249829584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, *that's* ... a new one < 1249829587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without free migration you can't have a free market < 1249829588 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the government would do... Half of what the retards dislike. < 1249829595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i missed several steps of logical deduction or are you on crack < 1249829599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: precisely! < 1249829603 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(antitrust regulation) < 1249829604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise you don't have a free market in labour < 1249829609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nooo who said antitrust < 1249829613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: they just stop other people interfering < 1249829614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1249829623 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Right, antitrust. < 1249829624 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1249829635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's far too indirect for the libtards to understand! < 1249829636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there's only about half a step of logical deduction there < 1249829665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of idiotic economics, I am going to carefully consider any PBA suggestion that doesn't come from BobTHJ :-P < 1249829687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIEE < 1249829688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My goal is to slowly continue to add information to my database until < 1249829688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the full state of Agora is tracked." < 1249829692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kill him! Kill him with FIRE! < 1249829697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...okay, I'm done < 1249830065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE DIE < 1249831266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/359578 < 1249831277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, guess what chipset I have? :D < 1249831286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that one < 1249831294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, I was going to guess "not that one". < 1249831321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like an interesting game though < 1249831818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw I found a rather odd software. A train driving simulator. < 1249831852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds... riveting < 1249831860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drive from both ends at once and rip it in two! < 1249831880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, there was only one supported train in the version in ubuntu at least. < 1249831885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was a single ended one < 1249831892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://openbve.trainsimcentral.co.uk/ < 1249831917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, 3D graphics ran smooth of the laptop, but cpu fan ended up working at highest speed. < 1249831935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsurprising < 1249831944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :physics calculations? < 1249831950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is my best guess < 1249832008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION builds warzone2100 using gentoo portage. better gpu on there :P
< 1249832021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not better gpu < 1249832023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better drivers < 1249832036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gpus should be somewhat equal < 1249832044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm I wonder how much video memory the intel one has... < 1249832053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in. dedicated. Not shared main memory < 1249832063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1249832078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what model is it? < 1249832080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GMA what < 1249832082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. the gerforce 7600 has 512 MB RAM < 1249832083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1249832087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it 256 < 1249832088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1249832089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1249832093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well lets see... < 1249832150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) is all lspci says < 1249832161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what mobo chipset < 1249832184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses lshw
< 1249832193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses a duck
< 1249832288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :closest I can find is "host bridge"... hm < 1249832315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is "Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Controller Hub". Lots of details in that... NOT < 1249832332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, just tell me what laptop you bought. < 1249832336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R500 integrated? < 1249832340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, *notebook <_< >_> < 1249832351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R500 yes. *looks for specific model number* < 1249832360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter < 1249832364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they only offer one integrated gpu < 1249832367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on it < 1249832371 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249832404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: GMA 4500MHD. It can use over 512MB of your RAM if you want. < 1249832414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right. < 1249832440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, main memory has to compete bandwidth with CPU though < 1249832448 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1249832457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, both graphics and programs running on CPU will use the same memory < 1249832458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shruggggggg < 1249832458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1249832463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*drop that line < 1249832469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hi! < 1249832478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all < 1249832662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the joke in IWC was quite awful today, don't you agree? < 1249832683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may, eventually < 1249832694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darth and droids more than made up for it though :D < 1249832720 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249832741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D to iwc < 1249832822 0 :MigoMipo!n=chatzill@84-217-11-227.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249832943 0 :jix!n=jix@188-193-95-175-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1249833265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION once again finds himself pausing instinctively for Comments on a Postcard to finish loading
< 1249833288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dammit) < 1249833290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1249833306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://armorgames.com/play/4309/this-is-the-only-level this is great < 1249833363 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried it a bit yesterday < 1249833393 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i got to the dreaded pink strip level < 1249833400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stage < 1249833407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol@stage 13 < 1249833421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't tell me that's a game < 1249833421 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait that wasn't it < 1249833425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i opened it < 1249833425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it is < 1249833427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's one level < 1249833429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over and over again < 1249833430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but different < 1249833434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the fun < 1249833443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different how < 1249833454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: try it and see. < 1249833463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i time. < 1249833466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in < 1249833472 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gave up at that level "arrows" that treated the mouse (trackpad in my case) as arrow keys or something < 1249833486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: easy < 1249833490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, *stage < 1249833493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stage 15 has me stumped < 1249833496 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1249833520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect it would be easier with a genuine mouse < 1249833527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1249833530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to go left and right < 1249833532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy < 1249833545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well and click < 1249833651 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My time was around 7:40 IIRC (did it yesterday) < 1249833661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, for all of it? < 1249833667 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, all of it < 1249833668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on stage 15 and 8 minutes in... < 1249833673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do stage 15 < 1249833675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm desperate! < 1249833678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the time to refresh one < 1249833678 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one is it < 1249833683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the button does nothing and there's a green plank < 1249833683 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Refresh... < 1249833688 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, F5 < 1249833693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... x_x < 1249833704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JAVA GAMES ARE AN UNTRESSPASSABLE SANDBOX < 1249833708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS MY MENTAL MODEL < 1249833708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1249833710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLASH < 1249833742 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-162-150-131.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1249833745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it reset to 5 minutes < 1249833746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uber cool < 1249833777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it get hard at some poine? < 1249833778 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*point < 1249833779 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I guess it can't count the time you spent on level 15 :-) < 1249833781 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least interesting < 1249833783 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: No < 1249833788 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not really < 1249833796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes < 1249833800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is fun. < 1249833812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not hard per se < 1249833814 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many levels are there? < 1249833815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have to think a little < 1249833817 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an amusing design but not /really/ interesting < 1249833817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1249833818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over 30 < 1249833822 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 IIRC < 1249833822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but each one takes like 10 seconds < 1249833835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1249833855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1249833858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does stage 18 work... < 1249833860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the collapsing one < 1249833860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhh < 1249833863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you go on top of right < 1249833958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i managed to do something very clever on "time to refresh" < 1249833986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1249833989 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refreshed. < 1249833991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1249833998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's < 1249834000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you're meant to. < 1249834002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click continue < 1249834006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1249834009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1249834012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah confused me too < 1249834019 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, right < 1249834029 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just assumed it wasn't the correct thing to do < 1249834039 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank the foo it was that short. < 1249834051 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to finish my thesis today, and there are still 42 TODO comments in it. < 1249834068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1249834068 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recommendation: shut off IRC < 1249834072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooooo < 1249834078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway stage 24 is the odd < 1249834091 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's probably the crap < 1249834097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1249834098 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one was 24 again? < 1249834101 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or one of them < 1249834107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPPERCASE < 1249834113 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1249834126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Well, it wasn't that odd. < 1249834133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL CAPSLOCK < 1249834138 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I did try shift first. < 1249834144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DITTO < 1249834171 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the idea of "mime's folly"? < 1249834178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: mimes < 1249834180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know when they like < 1249834182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make fake objects < 1249834183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with their hands < 1249834185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they look real < 1249834187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and press < 1249834196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically there's an invisible wall.) < 1249834208 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty possible not to notice the wall, though. < 1249834220 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One level was annoying without QWERTY, I forget which one it was < 1249834226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not imo < 1249834233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: center keyboard < 1249834234 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The "middle keyboarder" or some such. < 1249834241 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I forget the number < 1249834248 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used TFGH, right? < 1249834268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1249834273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lawd@28 < 1249834315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was fun < 1249834324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:57:62.5, 63 deaths < 1249834325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1249834335 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With my layout those are FETH... could have been worse, but still < 1249834370 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I.e. those are in the respective places of FETH on a QWERTY) < 1249834433 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, just in case you aren't aware there are other games featuring the elephant < 1249834435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh now I've addicted myself to flash games again < 1249834438 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://armorgames.com/play/1719/elephant-rave < 1249834438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: there ARE? < 1249834441 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://armorgames.com/play/2893/achievement-unlocked < 1249834442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love that guy already! < 1249834446 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly others < 1249834451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i loved how it was just... an elephant < 1249834452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no reason! < 1249834455 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://armorgames.com/play/3102/run-elephant-run < 1249834466 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's it < 1249834480 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Achievement Unlocked was somewhat amusing < 1249834500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow elephant rave is x_x < 1249834528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay god that was pointless < 1249834553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy hell oklopol < 1249834556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try achievement unlocked < 1249834601 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, there was one elephant-themed 4k intro. It wasn't in the "serious 4k" category, but people still voted for it: http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=53606 < 1249834602 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was like completely the opposite of what kind of games i like, i want to think inside the box, and have complex puzzles < 1249834617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :achievement unlocked is like this is the only level + 34785345873485478583745 < 1249834619 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this was the other way around < 1249834722 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1249834760 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-162-150-131.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1249834878 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c249DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1249835036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are only 34785345873485478583746 levels? how frugal. < 1249835040 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, managed that in 501 seconds and only had to check one hint < 1249835074 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done it before though, so it doesn't quite count < 1249835074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1249835117 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :80% done in 400 seconds, but I'm not going to try any time-trialings. < 1249835124 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my thesis! You bastards! < 1249835125 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249835133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D < 1249835142 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I maintain my recommendation < 1249835157 0 :MigoMipo!n=chatzill@84-217-11-227.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249835164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee, i jumped top-right and killed myself like 5 times on the spike < 1249835166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :century < 1249835167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :score < 1249835207 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent the last minute or so killing myself repeatedly < 1249835250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I spent the last minute or so killing myself repeatedly < 1249835251 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the horizontal and vertical confusions, I hope total confusion is not "all direction keys at once", since I don't think I can get it with this keyboard. It's not, right? < 1249835251 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64| I spent the last minute or so killing myself repeatedly < 1249835258 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1249835264 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No, it's not < 1249835268 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good, good. < 1249835311 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249835323 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249835352 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1249835359 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1249835368 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was going to suggest someone ban fizzie, but then...
< 1249835383 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-114-147.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249835398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is liftoff 3-2-1-fly up? < 1249835410 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1249835416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3-2-1-0-fly? < 1249835419 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1249835422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1249835439 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: please kickban fizzie. it's for his own good, he has a thesis to finish. < 1249835557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: how come 0-1-2-3-4-5 doesn't get that < 1249835564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can count to 5 < 1249835574 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get what < 1249835576 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liftoff? < 1249835582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I can count to 5!" < 1249835599 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you messed up and hit something twice < 1249835612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1249835670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i must have < 1249835671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it now < 1249835684 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :890 seconds. Please stop with the elephants. < 1249835721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why all those squares hide you < 1249835726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 1167 < 1249835750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still have http://armorgames.com/play/1719/elephant-rave and http://armorgames.com/play/3102/run-elephant-run to play, anyway! < 1249835772 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried, but they seemed to be more skill-based. < 1249835780 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you even "finish" them? < 1249835785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does not EXCUSE YOU < 1249835785 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they end < 1249835790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1249835797 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not "gonna". < 1249835966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's programmer's credit < 1249835971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0-2? < 1249835976 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type the name < 1249835990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that turned my elephant pink. maybe i mistyped. < 1249836002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, must have been a different number < 1249836054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's speedy downfall :P < 1249836089 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opposite of escape velocity < 1249836093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, lol, the numbers change elephant colour < 1249836101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i must have done jmt02 or something at first < 1249836150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i did speedy downfall < 1249836150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95% < 1249836190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be something with that orange starting point < 1249836307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, I'm stuck < 1249836315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what's the seat thing < 1249836322 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seat thing? < 1249836354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get off your seats < 1249836377 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's the one I had to lookup < 1249836387 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There /is/ a hint button, you know < 1249836397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but I might see other ones. < 1249836410 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#32: Get Off Your Seats = Jump for 10 seconds nonstop < 1249836507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, it told me I entered the contra code < 1249836508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't. < 1249836526 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it just needs UUDDLRLR < 1249836538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did that in another app i think maybe < 1249836539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by mistake xD < 1249836548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so konami code right < 1249836550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :contra confused me < 1249836564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: too much free tiem is completion right < 1249836565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*time < 1249836568 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1249836576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just have to liftoff < 1249836642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh < 1249836654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1249836656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 4 3 2 1 0 < 1249836660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i was on the right track < 1249836662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have told me < 1249836761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2091 seconds < 1249836762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1249836764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank fucking god < 1249836827 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Palin makes me ashamed of my species. < 1249836840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assassinate her < 1249836871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I intend to convince biologists that there are two extant subspecies of Homo sapiens. < 1249836882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homo sapiens sapiens, and Homo sapiens stultus. < 1249836885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha run elephant run is fun < 1249836892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, homo sapiens sapiens and homo spaiens palin < 1249836895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sapiens < 1249836908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Stultus covers more than Palin. < 1249836928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1249837132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run elephant run on easy was uh < 1249837133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not easy < 1249837262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION discovers to his surprise that pikhq is _not_ mangling latin there
< 1249837289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION then swats ehird for doing exactly that -----###
< 1249837298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1249837302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're so horrible to me. < 1249837304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cries
< 1249837338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: My roommate studied Latin for 4 years in high school. < 1249837355 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mangled Latin makes him wince, and it's starting to make *me* wince. < 1249837371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray! < 1249837412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray indeed. < 1249837419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION expects to be hit by Lex Muphriensis on the matter soon
< 1249837423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday (well, today) i walked around town barefoot at 3am :D < 1249837440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was fun < 1249837493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the weekend? i'd be worried about broken beer bottles... < 1249837509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, the streets were all smooth < 1249837520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few little pieces of glass here and there but perfectly walkable < 1249837534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also warm and very quiet < 1249837568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clear sky, too; I swear if I looked above in just the right way I could see the earth's curvature :P < 1249837966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, i just realised there's no "random video" button on youtube < 1249837999 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1249838042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you could simulate it < 1249838055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to all the videos linked easily from youtube pages, go to every one of the related and same person ones in random order < 1249838059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for like half an hour < 1249838065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just use your now fucked up recommendations < 1249838120 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-162-150-131.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1249838287 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249838769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d glasses are amazing < 1249838826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :US military expenditures: $623 billion. Rest of the world combined: $500 billion. < 1249838829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go be sad now. < 1249838838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, combined? < 1249838843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know it was that bad < 1249838846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1249838876 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This... Is sheer madness. < 1249838890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, it is not Sparta. < 1249838926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look on the bright side of it. even with _that_ expenditure, they got trouble with Iraq + Afghanistan. < 1249838969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because guerilla warfare > organised warfare. < 1249838979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discovery: drinking while wearing 3d glasses is hard < 1249838981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see: most revolutions) < 1249839388 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1249839441 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-162-150-131.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1249839834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does Wikipedia's preference page want to know my gender :\ < 1249839852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's for languages other than English < 1249839858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can use the right form of words like 'the' < 1249839863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optional: used for gender-correct addressing by the software. This information will be public. < 1249839875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you sure it isn't "he/her" or something? < 1249839888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, that's monumentally stupid; why does it need to be PUBLIC? < 1249839894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how it could be relevant in English, but IIRC it comes up a lot more elsewhere < 1249839900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's public because it's shown to other people < 1249839905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1249839913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, even something as simple as "user contributions" could change depending on the gender of the user < 1249839918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in various foreign languages < 1249839924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1249839925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's in the sidebar, for everyone < 1249839935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I thought English was genderist < 1249839972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what does it do if you leave it unspecified? < 1249839976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why can't it do that for everyone? < 1249839978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1249840029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it does something stupid, like assume the user is male or something < 1249840040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given what I know of MediaWiki, that wouldn't surprise me in the least < 1249840080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait till they find out that some people consider themselves neither! we'll get two sliders < 1249840084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maleness and femaleness < 1249840087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have to add up to 100 < 1249840093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from that, it randomly weights which to use < 1249840104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't engineering wonderful < 1249840206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one slider, obviously; the bit to one side is maleness, to the other side is femaleness < 1249840218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, the shape of the UI enforces the add up to 100 < 1249840262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's an interaction designer solution! < 1249840273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1249840275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the engineers would probably expose the two as text boxes < 1249840288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, as query-string parameters < 1249840290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm joking as to how the engineering mindset would solve the problem of "but what about people who aren't either?" < 1249840306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you haven't even considered furries yet... < 1249840321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't furries have a gender? < 1249840322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, furries don't think they're spiritually animals; that's otherkin < 1249840329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they still, presumably, have a gender < 1249840331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely that depends on species < 1249840341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there are ameoba otherkin < 1249840341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I know that the Guild (which is responsible for the Guild Council I mention sometimes) recognises at least 7 genders < 1249840351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err... which ones? < 1249840355 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're rather strong on equal opportunities and political correctness < 1249840362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't tell me they think transgender is a gender in itself < 1249840367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1249840370 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.86.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249840371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1249840392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: male, female, transsexual male, transsexual female, transgendered male, transgendered female, and indeterminate < 1249840401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION facepalm
< 1249840408 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we would not want to engender a transgression here < 1249840414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transgendered male; also known as "female". (Or "male", depending on which way aroudn it is). < 1249840418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*around it is.) < 1249840450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And transsexual male/female, also known as female/male (or, again, male/female). < 1249840467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In conclusion, that list is identical to "male, female, indeterminate". < 1249840486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: they installed gender-neutral toilets, so as to be able to give a set of toilets that people in the five less common genders could go into without arguments < 1249840501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT FOUR OF THE "LESS COMMON GENDERS" AREN'T GENDERS! < 1249840514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1249840567 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just has to mention the gender neutral pronoun h'orsh'it he recently saw somewhere
< 1249840687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just to confirm, if someone is a transgendered male-to-female and then has a sex change operation, even though their legal documents say female your university still glasses them as transsexual male/female? < 1249840694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*classes < 1249840696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever < 1249840697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird definition of politically correct < 1249840710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the distinction between transsexual and transgendered is whether there's been a sex-change operation or not, IIRC < 1249840725 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1249840726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know that; read my line again < 1249840729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't what I asked < 1249840751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who was a transgender male-to-female and then had a sex change operation is a transsexual, but their gender isn't "transsexual female", it's "female" < 1249840754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, there are biological differences... < 1249840766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a list of genders < 1249840768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a list of sexes < 1249840776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, you don't want to go into how many sexual orientations they recognise, I don't actually know myself but it's a lot < 1249840799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, asexual? :P < 1249840810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249840811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's non-sex/gender orientations too < 1249840999 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget pansexual < 1249841010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pans are hot < 1249841029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: but pansexuality is just a kind of bisexual imo < 1249841046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also on wp, polysexual: "Polysexuality refers to people who are attracted to more than one gender or sex but do not wish to identify as bisexual because it implies that there are only two binary genders or sexes." < 1249841052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, for instance, is just a qualm with the name < 1249841055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a different position < 1249841059 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not recommend sex with hot pans < 1249841061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think pansexuality is pretty similar < 1249841163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Wikipedia, < 1249841169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I said "use MathML when possible", I meant that. < 1249841183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We clearly have very, very different definitions of "possible". < 1249841193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's probably to do with what's possible for MediaWiki < 1249841196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably not a lot < 1249841198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "6 ! = 1 \times 2 \times 3 \times 4 \times 5 \times 6 = 720. \ " < 1249841214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, totally impossible. < 1249841220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and there are actually semi-official guides telling you how to force things to render as images not HTML < 1249841224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries purging
< 1249841226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that all the equations in an article look the same < 1249841237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, how do you purge again? < 1249841239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?action=purge does nothing < 1249841251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ... MediaWiki's math rendering is... TeX... < 1249841255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ?action=purge, which if you're logged in appears to do nothing < 1249841264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, it's some custom format that thinks it's TeX, IIRC < 1249841274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they use real LaTeX nowadays < 1249841276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, it must be a bug of some sort; "0! = 1 \ " renders as an image < 1249841280 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ... They don't actually use TeX? MURDER. < 1249841290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: TeX doesn't do pngs. < 1249841300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks very like TeX, but it's less powerful, presumably to prevent people writing infinite loops into the code of the document < 1249841308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do you, incidentally, use pdftex? < 1249841310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not TeX, either. < 1249841316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XeTeX? Hehehehe < 1249841342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, hmm < 1249841347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe MediaWiki knows that Safari doesn't do MathML < 1249841350 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: There's the TeX program, and there's the TeX language. < 1249841351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1249841353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an overly clever definition of "possible" < 1249841360 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: adding spacing commands like "\ " is the recommended way of forcing non-html iirc < 1249841368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: MathML. < 1249841369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not HTML. < 1249841376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: IIRC, you use negative-width spaces, to really force non-HTML < 1249841383 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1249841383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people put that in the articles < 1249841389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all the equations look the same < 1249841393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus defeating the point of the preference < 1249841471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION removes \ in a user space copy
< 1249841541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page "User:Ehird/sandbox" (links | delete) has been moved to "User:Ehird/Sandbox" (edit | links | revert | log) < 1249841578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed, removing "\ " fixes it < 1249841606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does MathML have a code for "space added specifically to stop this rendering as anything but an image", I wonder? < 1249841641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1249841654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, there should be a way to delete your own user subpages < 1249841670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have a useless vector.css link being added to every page < 1249841676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: put {{db-user}} on them < 1249841686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an admin will delete it pretty quickly, those are really noncontroversial < 1249841694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck violations of the law of least surprise. < 1249841697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be automatic, grumble < 1249841702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that would be abusable < 1249841705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ehird/vector.css < 1249841708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that worked. < 1249841710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rename a popular article into your userspace, then delete it... < 1249841725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, so don't allow renaming a popular article into your userspace < 1249841734 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i bet that'll surprise them < 1249841735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the work required to put it back is the same as undeleting < 1249841748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you created it in the first place, and it came from your userspace? < 1249841751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually, I find I still gullibly trust computers to work as I expect < 1249841768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ugh, i don't care; but templates aren't being expanded < 1249841769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's in CAT:SD anyway < 1249841770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you delete it? < 1249841774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the fluoride in the water < 1249841776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1249841778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just checked < 1249841782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the category doesn't render on the page < 1249841820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers redesigning vector in userspace and then hax0ring wikipedia to set it for everyone
< 1249842056 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it somewhat perverse that water flouridisation is not common in Colorado Springs... < 1249842069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don'tcha now they can control your mind through that stuff. < 1249842075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... water flouridisation was discovered there, because natural water sources there have flouride.) < 1249842091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1249842094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1249842101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Dude, do you know what that means? < 1249842105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD is controlling our minds. < 1249842112 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, why would they add it if it occurs naturally, duh < 1249842120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he was joking < 1249842122 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They take it *out*. < 1249842125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :........ < 1249842127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1249842164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: They have to take some of it out, though; the amount of flouride in the water supply mottles the teeth. < 1249842171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STILL! < 1249842174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... They just take *all* of it out. < 1249842194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was pregnant women who were hurt most by overflouridation < 1249842219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know because there was a row about it here in the UK a couple of weeks ago, a water company was putting far too much flouride in and ignoring their own warning mechanisms < 1249842310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It deforms the bones of babies. < 1249842319 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And mottles the teeth of all. < 1249842327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's it; I'm mocking up a design of Wikipedia that doesn't involve information clutter, showing things you don't need, unexcellent typo… you know, negating this list made it awkward. < 1249842333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sounds awesome < 1249842360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overflouridisation is t3h suck. < 1249842374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you'll find that more or less every link on a typical Wikipedia page is either needed by someone, or the WMF insist on it < 1249842386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not the pages, the chrome < 1249842394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, I can hide the ones not needed at the moment < 1249842398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about things like the links around the edges < 1249842400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody can stop me using it as a user CSS < 1249842415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, there's absolutely no need to have them like that at all, I can assure you < 1249842428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wow the pdf version thing is slow) < 1249842436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's at 1% for a tiny article) < 1249842442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, certainly as an admin, being able to hit things like user contribs, block, etc, in 1 click is highly useful < 1249842453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it went from 1% to 100% < 1249842458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, absolutely < 1249842462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of clicks is important in case you're doing it in something like 50 tabs in parallel, a ribbon wouldn't really work for that < 1249842467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a very good designer but i'm not an idiot < 1249842480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, admins do obviously have different needs than users < 1249842515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, because non-admins do adminny work too < 1249842522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, they're supposed to < 1249842530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't block people < 1249842545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mass reports to AIV have happened in the past < 1249842558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if it gets too over-the-top, ANI is generally a better choice < 1249842605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mainly interested in something I can read without wanting to gnaw my eyes out, and secondarily something I can do brief editing and administrivia to quite easily < 1249842631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there could be a "I'm going to stay in the house for a few months editing" button :P < 1249842636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that enables monobook < 1249842664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I hate it when errors on the main page got reported in the wrong place and they got fixed pretty quickly, then my properly placed error reports on WP:ERRORS get ignored." < 1249842669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think they realise? < 1249842701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :realise that people have used the main page since the stone age and will do so forever? and that thus they have to check both places, thus slowing them down? < 1249842713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost enough to make a man nominate WP:ERRORS for deletion < 1249842723 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user contributions is a useful function < 1249842730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's to do with watchlisting < 1249842738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talk:Main Page tends to be rather fastmoving < 1249842740 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if somebody makes one stupid error, if you see their user contributions, they usually make lots of them < 1249842743 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can laugh at them < 1249842747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you report an error there, an innocuous change might be next there < 1249842748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but they check it anyway to complain at them! < 1249842751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hide the watchlist entry < 1249842760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're already doing that hard work < 1249842773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it'll be slower, manually checking as opposed to just having a watchlist entry < 1249842789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd be fine if Talk:Main Page had a subsection called Errors, with a link "add one" that edits the included template page < 1249842797 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it did < 1249842800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, my fans just spinned up < 1249842805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have people changed their minds again? < 1249842808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it does, but it's in the header < 1249842811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't include the error page < 1249842828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who would report it in talk:main page don't know about the + button, but they DO ignore headers and warnings like everyone else < 1249842837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it looked like a subsection with a big "Add one" link, it'd be used < 1249842893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wikipedia is a free content encyclopedia written by a global community of volunteers. Sometimes, false information is added to Wikipedia. Do not trust information in Wikipedia - use additional references" < 1249842894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— Mobile Wikipedia < 1249842899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should replace Wikipedia's disclaimer with that < 1249842941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the WMF would go crazy < 1249842947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, they do anyway < 1249842980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny that encyclopedia dramatica is run more smoothly and with less drama than wikipedia < 1249843074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, [[Wikipedia]] isn't an FA < 1249843076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1249843221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION redesigns around [[Barack Obama]]
< 1249843238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :under the assumption that it's a relatively normal article and is obviously well-maintained < 1249843244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's unusually long... < 1249843298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The whole cult-of-personality thing. < 1249843310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what in particular? < 1249843337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obama you mean? < 1249843344 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ... There's quite a few people who seem to think that Obama is the second coming or something. < 1249843348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1249843348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half of that article is probably devoted to rebutting the birthers < 1249843351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1249843352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1249843371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a more objective source < 1249843372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conservapedia.com/Barack_Obama < 1249843375 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are thse people, pikhq < 1249843386 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like a good republican talking point < 1249843387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"allegedly[1][2][3][4][5] born in Honolulu" < 1249843402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha wow Obamunism xD < 1249843410 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the only people i saw get really knicker-wetting joyful over Obama was during the election < 1249843422 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and huge parts of that were "hooray bush is gone forever" < 1249843436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR IS HE < 1249843442 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes he is < 1249843499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, what if Palin is actually Bush < 1249843499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: It has at least cooled off, yes. < 1249843501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider it. < 1249843517 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was horrid during the election. Now, it's at least a few silly people. < 1249843532 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas whole scads of the Right must have had a terrible buttock rash for all eight years < 1249843536 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What scares the shit out of me is the Palin followers. < 1249843574 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It surprised me just how rapidly those people went from EVEN IF YOU DISAGREE, YOU'VE GOT TO RESPECT THE PRESIDENT to HE'S NOT A REAL PRESIDENT, ALL AMERICANS DISSENT AGAINST THE PRESIDENT < 1249843575 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1249843585 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't politically aware when Clinton was in < 1249843596 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all along I thought they actually *believed* that < 1249843598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you familiar with doublethink? < 1249843607 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, I felt stupid when it happened < 1249843627 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really it was amazing how rapid the turnabout was < 1249843633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, absolutely < 1249843643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Republicans have a very simple belief system: the corporations are right. < 1249843653 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's unfair. < 1249843654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day was "Well if the President wants to wiretap and uh and kill some terrists and stuff then you have to accept it because WE THE PEOPLE ELECTED HIM" < 1249843655 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's good for the people screwing us is good for us. < 1249843656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next day < 1249843660 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's entirely accurate, but it's unfair. < 1249843665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Maybe if someone uh ASSASSINATED him that'd be okayyyy?" < 1249843668 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's accurate because that's how it's been set up < 1249843675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ais523 came up with a wonderful way to understand republicans < 1249843676 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the manifestation is more complicated than that < 1249843692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you take it as axiomatic that bad things happen to people because they deserve it, the republican platform makes perfect sense < 1249843692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: Obviously. Even simple things are complex. < 1249843695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the democrats are insane < 1249843723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Except that they claim that that axiom is from the Bible. < 1249843743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as we all know, the bible is axiomatic because it says so! < 1249843748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's very few things that are axiomatic in the Bible. ;) < 1249843765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the part where jesus pretty much revokes everything < 1249843776 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best part, IMO. < 1249843779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hmm... don't you think these rules are a bit stringent on the masses? Will they BUY this stuff?" < 1249843784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...you're right." < 1249843791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But we can't just GET RID of it all! That's our BACKSTORY!" < 1249843795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fuck that shit. Be good to each other. < 1249843798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1249843800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well... just put some sort of note about all the stuff before it being false, kay?" < 1249843802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sure thing." < 1249843805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*THOUSANDS OF YEARS LATER* < 1249843813 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and there is also the part where he claims he isn't changing a single letter of anything < 1249843817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fags will burn in hell!" < 1249843829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the part about clams was allegory, man < 1249843842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clams? where? < 1249843846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: He claims rather that the law was in fact intended to end. He's not changing it, he's the succcessor to it. < 1249843849 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1249843861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: couldn't god just have made humans not stupid fuckers at the start and given them the perfect law? < 1249843868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just sayin' < 1249843877 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he could, but we didn't want it < 1249843884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's his fault! < 1249843886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he designed us < 1249843896 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to within certain tolerances < 1249843908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's fuckin' omnipotent, what's his problem < 1249843914 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his problem is he was lonely < 1249843915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did fine with the rest of the universe < 1249843924 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wanted to create something that could love him back < 1249843932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: but he could just change metareality so he wasn't lonely! < 1249843940 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'd have known the difference < 1249843948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he never metareality he liked! < 1249843954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wouldn't simulate having someone who loves him < 1249843963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'd just make it so that the concept of "god is lonely" is objectively false < 1249843974 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god can't trick himself like that < 1249843975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the man's smart enough to create a universe. < 1249843982 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of logic is for created things < 1249843994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: congrats, you just reminded me why I hate arguing with religious people < 1249844001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to go put my head in a blender now < 1249844015 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well man it's not a hard idea, and it even works here < 1249844045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was just the pre-starter argument! < 1249844045 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can put it this way, he's omniscient, so he'll know he fucked with his own mind < 1249844058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be about five years until i got to the main course < 1249844061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have been < 1249844076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: the universe is just fucking with his own reality. < 1249844097 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1249844120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1249844122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else is it? < 1249844130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... THEY ACTUALLY THINK WEATHER UNDERGROUND IS A TERRORIST GROUP. < 1249844135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1249844140 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"universe" and "reality" are both words to describe Creation < 1249844185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wouldn't say terrorist, but "the group conducted a campaign of bombings through the mid-1970s, including aiding the jailbreak and escape of Timothy Leary" < 1249844203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 1970 the group issued a "Declaration of a State of War" against the United States government, under the name "Weather Underground Organization" (WUO). The bombing attacks mostly targeted government buildings, along with several banks. Most were preceded by evacuation warnings, along with communiqués identifying the particular matter that the attack was intended to protest. For the bombing of the United States Capitol on March 1, 1971, they issued a commun < 1249844217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iqué saying it was "in protest of the US invasion of Laos." For the bombing of The Pentagon on May 19, 1972, they stated it was "in retaliation for the US bombing raid in Hanoi." For the January 29, 1975 bombing of the United States Department of State Building, they stated it was "in response to escalation in Vietnam."[5] < 1249844232 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh, so they actually have justification for the term. < 1249844243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah; that, at least, is not one of their crazier statements. < 1249844244 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, not complete craziness, just hyperbole. < 1249844291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it amusing that they think is a radical, communist liberal. < 1249844307 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... How many communists do corporate welfare, exactly? < 1249844355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Obama/he < 1249844359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You missed a wordy word < 1249844383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Sorry. < 1249844407 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Obamunism. < 1249844421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they think that his policies will lead to a second Great Depression. < 1249844422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. :D < 1249844424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obamunism! < 1249844432 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, like... Now? < 1249844437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before he got in office? < 1249844465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... They think he's muslim. < 1249844473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good Lord, people. < 1249844518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they think he's actually mind controlling people. < 1249844530 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE PEOPLE SO MOTHERFUCKING CRAZY. < 1249844537 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS WHY WE CANT HAVE NICE THINGS. < 1249844538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D': < 1249844542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and BobTHJ believes a good portion of all this! < 1249844587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Obama tries to downplay his Islamic background by claiming that his Kenyan Muslim father was a "confirmed atheist" before Obama was born, but in fact less than 1% of Kenyans are atheists, agnostics, or non-religious." < 1249844591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As we all know, 1%s don't exist. < 1249844603 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is significantly more plausible to claim that there are aliens coming down to earth on a regular basis. < 1249844612 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@a91-153-125-186.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1249844617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are aliens coming into the country on a regular basis, at least < 1249844623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does everyone forget what "alien" actually means... < 1249844625 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: From outer space. < 1249844645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Die, prescriptivist! < 1249844650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1249844664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was there to ? about < 1249844665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_prescription < 1249844670 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mexico is also a space < 1249844672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alien doesn't mean that, < 1249844677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people don't use alien to mean that, in general. < 1249844679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's outside the US < 1249844682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless the context is obviously immigration) < 1249844696 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a prescriptivist < 1249844700 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. At least claims regarding aliens sometimes are regarding unexplained situations. < 1249844704 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no you're not < 1249844711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i so am < 1249844721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at least possible to say "We don't know WTF that is, it might be aliens." < 1249844724 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no way < 1249844734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes uhhuh < 1249844746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... Obama being Muslim, and from Kenya? There is a huge amount of evidence against it. < 1249844761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq < 1249844762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't care < 1249844764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not a chance < 1249844772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just scared racist shits < 1249844774 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh, right. They hates logic. < 1249844784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm totally a prescriptivist < 1249844786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't attack his policies convincingly, so they attack him < 1249844788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They refuse to believe that they are wrong. < 1249844823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Obama alleged Saddam "has developed chemical and biological weapons" but was willing to condone the most hideous use of torture[124] from a man who "butchers his own people."]] < 1249844835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, if Saddam wants to waterboard, that's just fine, now, isn't it? < 1249844842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because bullshit is easier to argue against than reality. < 1249844890 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is where you say "incredibly not" < 1249844931 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Anyways. If these idiots were European, they would be voting for the Nazis. < 1249844937 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no it isn't < 1249844942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The crazies are everywhere. < 1249844944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: they do. < 1249844948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it so was < 1249844948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called the BNP. < 1249844958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ... Yes, that was my point. < 1249844960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm leaving now, so i win < 1249844962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1249844962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1249844991 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's just what you are saying < 1249845004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what's funny? Britain is not that much more left-wing than the US, and yet even our right-wing party fully supports universal healthcare and even a lot of privacy. < 1249845010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US is just insane. < 1249845044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Conservapedia's Atheism article used to start with a picture of Hitler. < 1249845050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no point even trying to understand or rebut them. < 1249845098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ... Wasn't Hitler nominally Christian? < 1249845106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More than nominally. < 1249845114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, now it has Marquis de Sade < 1249845117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you ask "conservatives". < 1249845171 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "hitler was not an atheist / was a christian" articles kept showing up on reddit all the time < 1249845204 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@65.215.113.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249845205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably still there in /atheism which is no longer on the main page (last i looked) < 1249845208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fun part of /r/atheism is that it only makes any sense if you believe conservative christians are reading it < 1249845248 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah so you think it's mostly crap too? < 1249845254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't < 1249845279 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even remember what site this /r/foo stuff refers to :P < 1249845284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit < 1249845288 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah. < 1249845293 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why it's all bullshit. < 1249845300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top two links in /r/atheism right now, < 1249845304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting fact: Hitler was commonly believed to be male < 1249845307 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: was mentioned the line before you entered < 1249845309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My new hobby. Leaving atheism themed books on display model ebook readers. This one is at Target." // real productive! have you got a life yet? < 1249845315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second: < 1249845317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To all those who post the repetitive "This is a circle jerk..." to /a/atheism. Getting in the middle of a circle jerk and opening your mouth actually makes it "Bukkake"." < 1249845318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1249845321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're so witty < 1249845323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG < 1249845334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you totally rebutted that guy, now get back to jerking everyone else off. < 1249845339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in conclusion, something < 1249845340 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That... Is a truely dumb sub-reddit. < 1249845347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your spelling is truely dumb. < 1249845350 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah yes there was a great comment quote yesterday, let me see if i can find it < 1249845368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, a subreddit for atheism isn't an inherently bad idea; it's just that this incarnation is worthless. < 1249845387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm pretty sure hitler was male :P < 1249845388 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably impossible) < 1249845396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: see what I mean? < 1249845406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you metatrolling :D < 1249845412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: We got here from discussing Conservapedia's article on Obama. < 1249845412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never metatroll I didn't like/ < 1249845416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\/$/./ < 1249845418 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Bahahahah < 1249845432 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SECRET MUSLIM COMMUNIST KENYAN ZOMG KILLING AMERICA! < 1249845433 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he's not an atheist, he's a muslim! :P < 1249845459 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have they added any new "Muslim" "evidence" since last I checked? < 1249845471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost certainly! < 1249845489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, maybe Conservapedia is part of Obama's socialist eugenics program. < 1249845496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I retroactively invoke Godwin's Law on someone or other, I don't particularly care who < 1249845501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the conversation since then never happened < 1249845509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who makes a non-satiric edit to Conservapedia won't be allowed to breed when the program comes into place. < 1249845516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And their existing babies will be harvested for food. < 1249845526 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Probably about when we claimed that they would be voting for Nazis if they were in Europe. < 1249845535 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't Conservapedia claim that they'll sue vandals? < 1249845542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, anyone who swears < 1249845546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Commandments < 1249845552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Everything you post must be true" < 1249845557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even want to visit that link, the URL is scary enough < 1249845559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"must be family-friendly, clean, concise, and without gossip or foul language" < 1249845562 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it: http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/98sg3/please_stop_spamming_the_main_reddit_with_your/c0bu3p4 < 1249845564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When referencing dates based on the approximate birth of Jesus, give appropriate credit for the basis of the date (B.C. or A.D.). "BCE" and "CE" are unacceptable substitutes because they deny the historical basis. See CE." < 1249845566 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... A plausible claim, when you look at the nationalist parties (that are also ZOMG SOCIALISTS, if US opinions are to be believed) < 1249845572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finally < 1249845573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minors under 16 years old use this site. Posting of obscenity here is punishable by up to 10 years in jail under 18 USC § 1470. Vandalism is punishable up to 10 years in jail per 18 USC § 1030. Harassment is punishable by 2 years in jail per 47 USC § 223. The IP addresses of vandals will be reported to authorities. That includes your employer and your local prosecutor. < 1249845586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest are rather boring apart from < 1249845586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1249845591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do not post personal opinion on an encyclopedia entry." < 1249845592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how do they know who your employer is? < 1249845604 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Without gossip? I'm afraid to make an edit following that, I would have to replace the articles with Wikipedia. < 1249845605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Professional stalkers! < 1249845616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, haven't they just made an unfulfilable promise if you vandalise it when unemployed? < 1249845622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also true, also without personal opinion < 1249845632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Unemployed people have no money. < 1249845636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their parents kick them out as soon as they can get a job. < 1249845640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, they don't have internet. < 1249845640 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Like I said, Wikipedia. < 1249845646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe selections of Uncyclopedia. < 1249845648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only True Americans who work can access Conservapedia, and they have jobs. < 1249845670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1249845694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia needs a level above featured articles < 1249845699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Super Featured Articles, there's only 10 at once < 1249845915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the main page featured article < 1249845990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not a particularly good featured article, though < 1249845992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a random one < 1249846015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not random, there's a featured article director who plans the featured articles on each day ages in advance < 1249846041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Raul has said he just picks them randomly iirc < 1249846058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not always, they tend to be on appropriate days < 1249846065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some are left out due to being inappropriate for the main page < 1249846066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just sometimes, though < 1249846081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, point is, they're not picked for being really good FAs < 1249846162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks on a hunch whether "pornography" is a featured article. but alas.
< 1249846615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have over $100,000 of software in my saddlebags. We’re sending a release to about twelve customers. […] I reach the counter with a few minutes to spare, and off the packages go. Declared worth, about ten bucks each; it’s just duplicated disks and photocopied manuals after all." < 1249846625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never before has someone so succinctly make a point they weren't trying to. < 1249846636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*made a point, maybe. < 1249846719 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃" < 1249846749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/98zwt/hypothetical_situation_if_someone_were_walking/ ← $0 due to the inevitable legal results being something in the vicinity of $infinity < 1249846819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fragsworth.com/audio_functions/1988/ amazing < 1249846970 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249846978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: http://fragsworth.com/audio_functions/1988/ < 1249847003 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Thank* you, oh glorious Internet, for dropping connections at the drop of a hat. < 1249847034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, it has videos too < 1249847038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will never sleep again < 1249847155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to make a rotating checkerboard
< 1249847164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1249847166 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1249847211 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1249847245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1249847247 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you transmit text to a human at 1000 7-bit characters per minute? < 1249847254 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without using eyes) < 1249847273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: ethernet cable :P < 1249847281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sex? < 1249847296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: well let's say a word is five letters < 1249847304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 200 wpm < 1249847311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you could learn to hear at 200wpm < 1249847329 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't work < 1249847334 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has to be able to do source code, etc < 1249847343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make up a language, obviously < 1249847364 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think you could understand chorded electrical shocks? < 1249847373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'd be too busy screaming < 1249847390 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1249847460 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249847479 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249847605 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1249847612 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fast can one of those braile displays go? < 1249847624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :human's the bottleneck there < 1249847643 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: well my knowledge has a bit of a blind spot there < 1249847763 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurp durp < 1249847908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1249847914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1249847930 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1249848065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 116 b/s, might be close to human peak listening speed < 1249848122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bytes per second? < 1249848124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1249848153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1249848158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 116 bytes a second? < 1249848162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can we possibly listen that fast < 1249848166 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about 14B/s < 1249848174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so 116 b/s, < 1249848174 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have a different tone for each byte < 1249848177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh bits < 1249848178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bytes < 1249848195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, that's the one place where you need to care about caps < 1249848269 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there are others, such as m vs. M prefix < 1249848281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just say bit < 1249848300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: much less confusing though, also for bits, not at all so < 1249848382 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'd say the actual used information content per english character is about two bits, by that random estimate you'd need about 20 words per second < 1249848398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which contains another random estimate of 5 characters per wordds < 1249848399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*word < 1249848428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a letter is 5 bits isn't it < 1249848440 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes < 1249848445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't really mean much < 1249848449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said 2 bits < 1249848464 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdhgjhaerw takes about an hour to explain, abababababa takes about a second to say < 1249848482 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: compressed size < 1249848505 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdhgjhaerw is only about two syllables, much quicker to say than abababababa < 1249848515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: crazy finns < 1249848542 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, I just think "sdhgjh" is quite compressible < 1249848556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that would be crazy georgians, i don't think finns could pronounce that < 1249848556 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the estimate is based on current best compression < 1249848580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've heard 1 bit per character is how much a human needs, no idea what that's based on < 1249848598 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway need to go again < 1249848655 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i've heard that too. < 1249848729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249848745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummmmmm so actually everything sucks, did you heard < 1249848777 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there are unit differences too < 1249848785 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s = second, S = siemens < 1249848907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that is a matter of some gravity < 1249848918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuuuuuuuuuck youuuuuuuuuu oerjan < 1249848945 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, did i cause an accident? < 1249849018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fragsworth.com/video_functions/781/ < 1249850107 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249850172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249851195 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: attach things to their fingers that move them as if they were typing the text. < 1249851211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that only gets you 100wpm < 1249851215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need 200wpm < 1249851468 0 :MigoMipo!n=chatzill@84-217-11-227.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249852436 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if it was passive and hard to see < 1249852453 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, like electrodes across your belly or something < 1249852483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly are you doing < 1249852525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, you can print a book on the fly from an arbitrary set of wikipedia pages; with greyscale images < 1249852528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/PediaPress_Books_-_interior_2.jpg < 1249852547 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: nothing < 1249853276 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what's the purpose of this, again? < 1249853360 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I think that's based on people's ability to predict the next letter of a sentence, given a dictionary. < 1249853406 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That's pretty cool actually ... < 1249854042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1249854077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"The purpose of a purple porpoise" < 1249855720 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.86.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249855725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: it is cool! < 1249855769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many books it'd take to get all of articlespace < 1249855789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are book prices calculated? < 1249855789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cost of a book depends on the number of pages contained in addition to a base fee. < 1249855791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helpful < 1249855797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A single book has a maximum size of approximately 800 pages. If a larger book is ordered, it is automatically split up into multiple volumes. < 1249855798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee < 1249855829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about 2500 books < 1249855832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming 1 page/article < 1249855840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which knowing how large some articles are and how short others are, seems fair < 1249855886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, less than $55 for 800 pages < 1249855909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much less it seems, 819 = $37.76 < 1249855920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol http://pediapress.com/books/show/bdsm/ < 1249856176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pediapress.com/books/show/nothing/ < 1249856183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good use of $21.92 + shipping < 1249856378 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249856730 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1249856792 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249856997 0 :timmcd!n=Adium@75-169-253-196.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249857005 0 :timmcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello people! < 1249857056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi! < 1249857067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who brought you from #haskell? :-P < 1249857072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I suspect you. < 1249857076 0 :timmcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually < 1249857081 0 :timmcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one ;) < 1249857095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, unpossible. < 1249857098 0 :timmcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just filtered the freenode.net channels for one pertaining to esoteric languages. < 1249857101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are too many combined Haskell/esolang lovers :P < 1249857105 0 :timmcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1249857109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :timmcd: I'm surprised you could tell we're about esolangs with the topic < 1249857121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're http://esolangs.org/ < 1249857220 0 :timmcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1249857243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, hi. < 1249857244 0 :pikhq__!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249857248 0 :timmcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird / anyone else: http://etherpad.com/esolangideas < 1249857252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq__: fix your damn net < 1249857253 0 :timmcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think that looks allright? < 1249857256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :timmcd: Ooooh you're that guy < 1249857264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't associate new names for a few days < 1249857267 0 :timmcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk if that's good or bad, ehird... < 1249857274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just saw you in the logs :P < 1249857277 0 :timmcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah ^_^ < 1249857281 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249857293 0 :timmcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want as much feedback as I can get ;) < 1249857460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :timmcd: It looks basically like assembly with an odd syntax and convenient types/IO, which is better than most people's first language :) < 1249857555 0 :timmcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol... thanks? < 1249857572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, we can't go praising people's first languages, what with how many we get on the wiki. < 1249857579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1249857583 0 :timmcd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, too true. :D < 1249857617 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249857631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'll buy you an internet pipe. < 1249857664 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No point. I'll have real Internets in a couple weeks. < 1249857674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't wait that long. < 1249858057 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.5.1/20090715094852]" < 1249858136 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249858281 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249858470 0 :pikhq__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249858791 0 :timmcd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1249859106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249859870 0 :comex_!i=comex@c-98-210-198-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249859882 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249860014 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1249860036 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249861031 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1249861423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's try to not try for three lines after this < 1249861734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let's try a little more than that < 1249861861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahah. < 1249861895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm very pleased with this moderate amount of trying < 1249861901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~fin~ < 1249861931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Todo list < 1249861971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[X] Find out if we're marginally funny in any way < 1249861971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ] Make a bot that lets us turn this into comics in a line < 1249861971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ] Attain internet infamy < 1249861979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked for jerkcity < 1249862237 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: please explain the joke < 1249862281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: as i said, it worked for jerkcity. among the various things that jerkcity lacks lies "jokes" < 1249862301 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know what jerkcity is, i need that part of the joke explained < 1249862324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jerkcity.com/ < 1249862337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only microsoft comic chat-created IRC comic that's been running since 1998. < 1249862342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that features dongs. < 1249862350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least I hope there aren't others)