< 1250121910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish that everyone had an ansible. < 1250121933 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thereby solving all communication lag issues and most connectivity issues. < 1250122182 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1250122194 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would still be bandwidth issues < 1250123557 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1250123986 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@96.57.200.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250123992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:43] FireFly: That hurt like pain < 1250123992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250124014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: if you have 0 latency you have infinite bandwidth < 1250124020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just send a bunch of packets at once < 1250124036 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250124058 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ansible doesn't provide 0 latency, it just provides instant communication < 1250124062 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over a distance < 1250124087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you mean < 1250124088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 latency. < 1250124100 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a limit to how much can be transmitted at once < 1250124209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, true < 1250124222 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but you still have 0 latency. < 1250124252 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(modulo the latency of the computers on each end of the ansible connection) < 1250124857 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might get latency from a bottleneck < 1250124886 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, after all, where most network latency comes from < 1250124949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I have a fucking satellite Internet connection. < 1250124951 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lies. < 1250124962 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you live? < 1250125003 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missouri. < 1250125031 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1250125038 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong channel < 1250125056 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, missouri is strictly banned here < 1250125238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1250125241 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1250125259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you should invest in 3g mobile broadband, or do they not have that in the us of a < 1250125347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You realise that they charge something like $5 per megabyte here, right? < 1250125356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what, you can't get a metered bandwidth contract? < 1250125367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i heard something about 2 MEGABYTES costing $15 < 1250125371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :per month < 1250125383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, it's 15GB for £15/mo < 1250125387 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do, if you're willing to pay enough. < 1250125389 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not quite that expensive :P < 1250125391 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, they do have unmetered. < 1250125392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US is truly an internet backwater. < 1250125397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then £0.10/MB over that < 1250125407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: we have an unmetered plan for like £40 < 1250125414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 3g is too slow to torrent anyway < 1250125417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and youtube videos aren't very big < 1250125435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... Don't think you can get Internet access for $15 here. < 1250125442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even dialup ISPs cost a bit more than that. < 1250125453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's $25 < 1250125478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, broadband costs more than that. < 1250125492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: for £10/mo ($16.51), you can get a 1GB/mo plan < 1250125498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess the UK is actually pretty good for 3G broadband < 1250125513 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, nowhere near that little. < 1250125538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Ah, but in this glorious capitalist worker's paradise, the invisible hand of the free market takes care of all! < 1250125542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently if you buy a paid-monthly mobile phone it's 25% off the broadband < 1250125550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i like how they can't even get the free market right < 1250125569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The totally free market that BREAKS HORRIBLY if you mess with it in any way will be fine! We just have to manipulate it." < 1250125583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that it works even if you don't tinker with it) < 1250125603 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Keep in mind that we have a lot of people in favor of removing all regulation on markets. < 1250125622 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Even Adam Smith didn't want that. < 1250125638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be good for your country, dropping out of the world economy and all < 1250125641 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More capitalist than Adam Smith -- now that's just crazy. < 1250125663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't call it capitalism < 1250125677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't produce a functioning market of trade < 1250125681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not capitalism < 1250125709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, fine. I'll call it corporate feudalism. < 1250128064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ECONOMISTS! < 1250128073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What of them? < 1250128079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are economical, duh. < 1250128256 0 :Halph!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250128303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halph: too clever by halph < 1250128307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait oerjan said that last time < 1250128329 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1250128340 0 :Halph!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :coppro < 1250129383 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250131337 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, I got reminded of Salad Fingers again. < 1250131346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here I was, thinking I'd sleep tonight. < 1250131356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250131362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Salad Fingers isn't that creepy < 1250131429 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Something is wrong with you. < 1250131460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is true < 1250131822 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lesbians! < 1250131908 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something happened a few years ago that makes me uninterested in girls kissing.. for a time at least < 1250131988 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two girls one cup? :P < 1250132014 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1250132022 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That actually didn't have much of an effect on me < 1250132022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, his girlfriend left him *UNCONTROLLABLE SOBBING* < 1250132032 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a girl I liked kiss another girl < 1250132041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was my first guess < 1250132047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I thought it was too cheesy and retarded even for you. < 1250132055 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: She could be bi you know, you can still fan the flames :P < 1250132087 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, a) That was a while ago. b) I assumed she was in a relationship >.> < 1250132110 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flame the fans < 1250132115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She could also be polyamorous. < 1250132129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: if she's bi and polyamorous there's a good chance she's just a slut) < 1250132159 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's go ahead and not assume that >_> < 1250132164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetramorous. she insists on having exactly four lovers at all times. < 1250132181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Whyever not? < 1250132185 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Two male, two female? :P < 1250132196 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely < 1250132228 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: A) Presumably Sgeo doesn't want to be one of twelve guys, B) argh stereotypes :P < 1250132244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Is your B referring to your A? Pretty sure it is. < 1250132258 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, this was a while ago >.> < 1250132293 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, apparently it's ruined your intrinsic male lesbian lust even now, so time means nothing :P < 1250132327 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm recovering it >.> < 1250132363 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I said "Lesbians!" because I was quoting http://lonelydino.com/?id=13 :P < 1250132430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: >.> < 1250132437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Lonely Dino. < 1250132465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no idea so silly that Gregor won't get a domain for it, is there? < 1250132473 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NONE < 1250132480 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the name of the comic is T-Rex is Lonely < 1250132496 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, #3 only has two frames < 1250132518 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can have 2 or 3 frames, so long as they're from the set {1,2,5} < 1250132525 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, {1,2,6} < 1250132551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even one frame? < 1250132559 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that would have to be an awesome frame out of context) < 1250132569 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The software will allow one frame, but I doubt any would be funny enough for me to post. < 1250132581 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, the software works fine with zero frames :P < 1250132598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would have to be an *epic* lack-of-frame. < 1250132640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ today's dinosaur comic < 1250132660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yesterdays' < 1250132663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yesterday's < 1250132663 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are easily enough variables involved in girlfriend. < 1250132744 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should make a language < 1250132776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do that http://esolangs.org/ :P < 1250132780 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, no language in this channel. strictly forbidden. < 1250132784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We tried to make a conlang but turns out we SUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK < 1250132817 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250132821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ekbu snaffelfy scramboo smibbletkw < 1250132828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom < 1250132837 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250132854 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("your mom" is, by no coincidence, a valid and meaningful phrase in said conlang, and does not have the same meaning as the English phrase "your mom") < 1250132856 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And all the connections dropped at once. < 1250132917 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you talking of conlang here < 1250132920 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't Isharia < 1250132939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isharia is about gay sex, not conlangs. < 1250132945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, so is this channel. < 1250132948 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is here < 1250132950 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1250132951 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey augur < 1250132953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1250132957 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want to havve gay sex? < 1250132964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ur being a nominative suffix and -m present tense < 1250132964 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1250133030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: re: your mom thing, http://kisa.ca/oou.html < 1250133034 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am disappoint < 1250133075 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo- is the second person pronoun. mo- indicates a sorptive action. < 1250133108 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dawg is a superlative. < 1250133172 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, using the superlative infix -w- < 1250133179 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1250133191 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1250133360 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250133913 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1250133929 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250133952 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250133995 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Wow, you can say EVERYTHING with that. < 1250134003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I know :D < 1250134018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's great. < 1250134169 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't understand IPA stuff < 1250134270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250134726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nor I. < 1250135012 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo < 1250135013 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1250135025 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ipa is pretty simple < 1250135038 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "your mom" means "you absorb"? < 1250135048 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably, "mom your" means the same thing. < 1250135049 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are three conceptual dimensions to the main part of the IPA < 1250135096 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: are you talking about an actual conlang? < 1250135109 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :place of articulation, manner, and voicing < 1250135212 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :place of articulation is where in the mouth the distortion/constriction occurs < 1250135222 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250135248 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250135248 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :manner is what sort of distortion/constriction < 1250135255 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and voicing is whether or not your vocal cords are vibrating < 1250135308 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, can I talk about phonetics? < 1250135347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1250135361 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for example, for place of articulation < 1250135366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i don't know any of those things < 1250135368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can't control them. < 1250135368 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider b or p < 1250135378 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make those sounds, you press your lips together < 1250135398 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making b and p a "bilabial", which is the place of articulation < 1250135423 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare that to d and t, where you place the front of your tongue flat against the alveolar ridge behind your teeth < 1250135450 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an alveolar place of articulation < 1250135521 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or consider k and g < 1250135538 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you press the back of your tongue against the back roof of your mouth, in front of your uvula < 1250135546 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250135555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q1/MiffTheFox/GreatCodePyramids.png THIS CODE OH MY GOD < 1250135557 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the velum, and so this kind of place of articulation is velar < 1250135598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP AUGUR < 1250135609 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no im teaching you IPA < 1250135613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1250135633 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so b/p, d/t, and g/k different from one another in their place of articulation < 1250135640 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bilabial, alveolar, and velar < 1250135650 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a whole bunch of other POAs as well < 1250135665 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we can also see aspects of voicing < 1250135681 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b and p different only in whether or not your vocal cords are vibrating when making the sound < 1250135686 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with d/t and g/k < 1250135702 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b, d, and g are voiced, while p, t, and k are voiceless < 1250135729 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of these sounds also involve completely stopping air < 1250135748 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when you make a p or a g, air doesnt flow through your mouth until you open the constriction again < 1250135762 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare this to f and v, where air does flow < 1250135770 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or s and z < 1250135787 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this differentiations manner/degree of stricture < 1250135799 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f, v, s, and z arent full closures < 1250135832 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead, they're only partially closed, and the closeness happens to make them produce white-noise-like sound like something dragging over the floor < 1250135836 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so theyre called fricatives < 1250135839 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like friction < 1250135846 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also produces that kind of noise < 1250135865 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< augur> ehird: no im teaching you IPA < 1250135869 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s and t are both voiceless alveolars, but they different in that s is a fricative while t is a stop/plosive < 1250135871 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're actually teaching him phonetics. < 1250135878 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrigal_: sort of! < 1250135882 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyre both intimately connected < 1250135882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he's not < 1250135884 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that < 1250135886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm not listening, see < 1250135891 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPA = international PHONETIC alphabet < 1250135891 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1250135907 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im currently just outlining the three major dimensions of the segmental part of the IPA < 1250135929 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About as intimately connected as mathematical notation and math are intimately connected. Which is pretty intimately. < 1250135944 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed! < 1250135953 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence why i have to explain some phonetics to explain the IPA < 1250135980 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so those three aspects form the three main axes of the IPA segment chart < 1250136052 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the main combinations of these three properties, Voicing+POA+Manner, get letter symbols < 1250136117 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another common set of symbols are the nasals, which are essentially just stops where the soft palate is lowered, so that air can escape through it < 1250136131 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250136132 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so b and m differ only in that m has a lowered soft palate, allowing air through the nasal canal < 1250136137 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while b doesnt < 1250136147 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250136158 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because these are also fairly common, they get their own symbols < 1250136183 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some other symbols for things like clicks as well, and implosives (which have air flowing in the opposite direction) < 1250136191 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these are much fewer in number < 1250136212 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"The only thing I know is that I know nothing" < 1250136238 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aside from the "segmental" symbols, which ive described, there are also a whole slew of diacritics that modify aspects of the base symbol's description < 1250136239 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance < 1250136278 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p is a Voiceless Bilabial Plosive, but you can add a diacritic to it that makes it a Voiced Bilabial Plosive < 1250136283 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250136307 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofcourse, the voiced bilabial plosive already has a symbol of its own, namely "b", but even so, p + that diacritic denotes the same sound < 1250136367 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of the diacritics serve much the same purpose, adding certain denotational semantics < 1250136410 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using p again, p is unaspirated, meaning that if it were followed by a vowel, the vowel's articulation would have full voicing < 1250136418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking SHUT UP augur < 1250136438 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it were aspirated, where the vowels beginning is unvoiced due to a puff of air from the p, you can put a superscript h "diacritic" to indicate this < 1250136490 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the specifics of the segments and the diacritics you'd just learn by practice, but those are the general ideas behind it < 1250136506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur < 1250136507 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there you go, ehird and sgeo < 1250136508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s h u t < 1250136509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u p < 1250136514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK YOU < 1250136517 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you understand (the principles behind) ipa < 1250136518 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250136524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't < 1250136529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think that < 1250136538 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're a smart boy < 1250136578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1250136582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't read what you said. < 1250136640 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you did! < 1250136687 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should be using timeit or something when he does Project Euler stuff < 1250136734 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250136799 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250136974 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, not killing this shell would be cheating at this point < 1250137208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1250137239 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Project Euler solution attempt that took well over a minute < 1250137286 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I prefer computer science competition questions, myself < 1250137587 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250137758 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-162-150-131.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1250138614 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"." < 1250139003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: http://codu.org/imgs/dinosaurComic.php?panels=1,2,5&comics=1356,1355,1356&strip < 1250139036 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was weird and confusing :P < 1250139090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: The one in the middle was made by Randall Munroe and is, I think, the only strip to have a totally different panel. < 1250139095 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1250139102 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no, other guest strips do :P < 1250139106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the second panel was the past one hundred years. < 1250139113 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured that out. < 1250139115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very infinite kind of one hundred years. :P < 1250139116 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1250139126 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesnt actually get closer to telling it, zeno style < 1250139138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1250139139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does. < 1250139141 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1250139142 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesnt < 1250139154 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the inner cells are not 1/2 of the way closer to the end of the story < 1250139156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur I think xkcd has a math degree or something, so shut up. < 1250139160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, yes they are < 1250139164 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no theyre not < 1250139168 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyre just the outer cells < 1250139172 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copied and smaller < 1250139173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a poop < 1250139179 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its true! < 1250139193 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get the joke and all < 1250139194 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1250139198 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it falls apart on closer inspection! < 1250139209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not < 1250139235 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does too! :| < 1250139262 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not zeno like at all < 1250139274 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything, its a fractal < 1250139278 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not at all zenotic. < 1250139291 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its very hofstadterian as well < 1250139295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck off augur < 1250139310 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with his GOD Over Djinn idea < 1250139346 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, how 'bout that sports team. < 1250139357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: do you think mine counts as lonely dino < 1250139367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is only one character in the second panel < 1250139373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that character is a dinosaur comics strip < 1250139376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is sorta like the spirit of t-rex < 1250139392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also inanimate, so it's okay < 1250139395 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: The Sportland Sports? < 1250139395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1250139404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the guy to the right is just t-rex hallucinating) < 1250139420 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Maybe, but I set up the software on lonelydino.com to disallow that so I wouldn't be tempted ... I'd have to change how it works to make that work :P < 1250139428 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, http://codu.org/imgs/dinosaurComic.php?panels=0,1&comics=518,467 hyuk hyuk < 1250139433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU NEED TO TRUST YOURSELF MORE :P < 1250139433 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That one came up randomly) < 1250139465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/imgs/dinosaurComic.php?panels=0,1&comics=579,250 < 1250139483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, sex changes. < 1250139790 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1250139806 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1250139945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[But you're real problem is that you think of the singular `Linux'. Linux isn't even most of the system, GNU has the largest share, and many other apps. A more accurate name is `GNU/Linux/X11/TeX/Perl/Python...'. (GNU usually the largest contignet, generally is 15-25% of the system, the Linux kernel only 1.5-3%)]] < 1250139945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This comment would make me want to stab someone anywhere, but especially so in the comments of a joking comic. < 1250139946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stab. < 1250140062 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll call it GNU/Linux when Linus does < 1250140075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linus is totally awesome < 1250140089 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for his opinion towards C++, yes < 1250140091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the few top-level foss guys that isn't completely retarded < 1250140094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: uhh, what < 1250140096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he hates C++ < 1250140099 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1250140102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1250140105 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1250140106 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fine < 1250140106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you are not welcome here. < 1250140111 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more importantly, he refuses to use it < 1250140113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: hey, good timing < 1250140115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need some bannination. < 1250140119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And you approve of the clusterfuck called C++? < 1250140120 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1250140127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not a lolling matter < 1250140130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a lobotomy matter < 1250140131 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obviously not enough to ban him from the channel < 1250140146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: right, that's when he says "I use C++ for most of my programs" < 1250140156 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should perhaps communicate with ICANN and get him banned from the Internet < 1250140157 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is not a clusterfuck; it's THE clusterfuck < 1250140163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: absolutely < 1250140189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: wait, he'll still be able to access a c++ compiler < 1250140199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's contact the CIA < 1250140204 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1250140220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if, after ten years without a computer, he still likes C++, we'll have to... euthanise... this poor soul < 1250140298 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1250140303 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said I liked C++ < 1250140321 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it the way I like Perl < 1250140321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can think of no other explanation < 1250140328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unacceptable < 1250140335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are situations where using perl is okay < 1250140340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot apply this to c++ :P < 1250140341 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, I absolutely detest it, except when I try to do something with another language < 1250140360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you need to learn more languages. < 1250140366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: seriously? < 1250140372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might just be a bad programmer. < 1250140374 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you simply must do C with objects, go for Objective C. < 1250140375 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, not really. < 1250140380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is C with objects. < 1250140384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you can't comment on that yourself < 1250140387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's it. < 1250140398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, it's C with the Smalltalk object system.) < 1250140408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a programmer that's not really that bad in others' estimation, i decree you a bad programmer if you can't work with any language that isn't a ball of shit and mud < 1250140420 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the problem with Objective C is that its not Smalltalk but pretends it is. < 1250140437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: have you ever looked at its implementation < 1250140439 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has all the annoying shit of C but little of the awesomeness of smalltalk < 1250140442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its object implementation IS smalltalk < 1250140445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Which is a huge step up from C++. < 1250140445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so stfu < 1250140452 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, its not a matter of the object implementation tho < 1250140463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: he said SMALLTALK'S OBJECT SYSTEM < 1250140464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not smalltalk < 1250140472 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes well < 1250140473 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice < 1250140474 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is not a language with further abstraction than C, but pretends it is. < 1250140475 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i DIDNT < 1250140475 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good lawd, we're still on this. < 1250140487 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore your retort is invalid < 1250140489 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: That's us. < 1250140490 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so stfu < 1250140500 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250140519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: uhh we started like 30 seconds ago < 1250140525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: There's similar flaws in many languages that try to be "X but with foo". < 1250140527 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ObjC doesnt really have a further abstraction either, at least not uniformly; it just has lots of sugar. < 1250140535 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Try eight minutes. < 1250140547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, objective-c? < 1250140554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a weird time dilation machine < 1250140556 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since ObjC is a superset of C, you get all the non-abstractedness of C plus some added abstraction stuff < 1250140556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it dilates time. < 1250140593 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: he's living on a rocket ship accelerating towards the speed of light < 1250140618 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Clearly what's needed is a language that's both unabstracted and not truly evil. < 1250140627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, C is the closest we have. < 1250140631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I have to pint out that macs are based on linux (I cound bsd as linux) they just happen to have all the pitfalls of both Linux and Windows]] < 1250140633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stabby stab stab < 1250140638 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstraction is fine. < 1250140638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Forth < 1250140665 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ... Oh, right. That language that nobody uses because CS is dominated by masochists. < 1250140690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU FORTH LOVE IF HONK THEN < 1250140697 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs that one < 1250140701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION honk < 1250140708 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: makes sense to me! < 1250140715 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats grammatical japanese, almost! < 1250140717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs someone that thinks BSD is Linux < 1250140719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically you'd write it as < 1250140722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forth love IF honk THEN < 1250140725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a lot more readable < 1250140730 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1250140739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even with double-spacing! < 1250140752 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anata wa foosu ga suki desu kereba, honku suru < 1250140756 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Technically, you'd omit the "then". ;) < 1250140760 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i know < 1250140762 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence almost < 1250140762 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1250140769 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont remember imperative in japanese < 1250140778 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor proper conditional. i think its kereba, but whatever < 1250140813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ?honk IF honk THEN ; < 1250140818 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anata wa foosu ga suki de gozareba, honku site. < 1250140818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forth love ?honk < 1250140823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: may or may not be idiomatic) < 1250140837 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :de gozareba? what the fuck are you, hyperformal? :| < 1250140848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: very odd mix of formality going on there) < 1250140852 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1250140862 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakereba might be it < 1250140879 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anata wa foosu ga suki nakereba honku shite! < 1250140885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sir, I must point out that you are, in fact, a fucking cunt." < 1250140891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ please translate that to idiomatic japanese < 1250140903 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"iihaado" < 1250140910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese sure is concise < 1250140914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iihaado! < 1250140936 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh indeed < 1250140952 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :havent you seen lost in translation? < 1250140973 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :honk if you like forth -> anata wa foosu ga suki nakereba honku shite < 1250140977 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes it longer! < 1250140978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is it really iihaado? < 1250140981 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the other one makes it smaller! < 1250140982 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1250140983 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is. < 1250140994 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq understands! < 1250140995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: gimme kanji so i can ask google translate < 1250141008 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google doesnt work on idiomatic constructions < 1250141015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: I'm... Not sure that gets the formality right at all. < 1250141022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psht < 1250141025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the whole point < 1250141027 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakereba, or iihaado? < 1250141035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iihaado. < 1250141038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to politely and formally explain to this sir, perfectly carmly and politely, that he is a fucking cunt < 1250141044 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want some serious keigo on that. < 1250141046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250141048 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :carmly! < 1250141053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's any japanese insult :D < 1250141078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't remember the many odd conjugations involved with keigo. < 1250141082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Formal Japanese is hard. < 1250141085 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think "iihaado" suffices. < 1250141090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Verbs conjugate irregularly. < 1250141093 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: formal korean is worse. < 1250141101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: so if i went into a business meeting and said iihaado < 1250141112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would the look be confusion then utter shock < 1250141112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then anger < 1250141112 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, whereby irregularly you mean "you use completely different verbs" :p < 1250141112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that order < 1250141119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: That too. < 1250141131 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, are you as amused by ehirds naivete as i am? < 1250141142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm joking < 1250141143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1250141147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And different nouns, in some cases. < 1250141151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Always. < 1250141152 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed! < 1250141157 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :korean is worse tho < 1250141173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i was trying to be serious i wouldn't be on irc < 1250141187 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :korean makes japanese look as easy as english < 1250141187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: I will take your word for it. < 1250141211 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is not exactly easy. < 1250141216 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a politeness level in korean that you use primarily for people you went to school with < 1250141227 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is distinct from the rest of the politeness system < 1250141239 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I think you should say "Korean makes Japanese look like Toki Pona." < 1250141242 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it forms its own strata of politeness. < 1250141248 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just absurd < 1250141270 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mom forms her own strata of politeness. < 1250141291 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking to your parents also has its own strata < 1250141293 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes < 1250141319 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: ANATA NO HAHA. < 1250141357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: there should be a language where everything apart from objective logic and observation is based on politeness levels < 1250141369 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1250141378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun because it makes no sense < 1250141384 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean where everything except those have politeness variations? < 1250141394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, as in < 1250141410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have those, and express non-objective-observation things by varying their politeness < 1250141413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in very subtle ways < 1250141415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Take Lojban and add features. < 1250141429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1250141429 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it needs some bloat, right?) < 1250141431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not the same < 1250141431 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, i dont follow < 1250141436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: nor i < 1250141467 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Survival requires that you think on your feet ... or on your knees" < 1250141470 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk hyuk < 1250141482 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :praying? or fellating? :o < 1250141488 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed the latter :P < 1250141489 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or begging < 1250141499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kneewalking < 1250141506 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact he was just climbing in some weird kneewalking position :P < 1250141512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250141513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :told you < 1250141531 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird sucks at finding out-of-context things funny :P < 1250141538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was joking though < 1250141543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found it funny < 1250141547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and made an additional joke suggestion < 1250141551 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knee tap dancing < 1250141562 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW I MUST LEARN TO KNEE TAP DANCE < 1250141564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1250141568 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1250141571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun GregorR-L < 1250141577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1250141628 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that he's gone, back to the topic of fellatio! X-P < 1250141638 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1250141640 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheres oklopol < 1250141676 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets in man-chain position < 1250141682 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, everyone. Take off the man costumes. < 1250141723 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets in ... wo-man-chain position? < 1250141736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION brings out the strapons < 1250141751 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ... they were attached to our man costumes >_> < 1250141759 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hush. < 1250142207 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha, random unexplained Bear Grylls nudity. < 1250142235 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... I don't think I've ever seen a 504 before < 1250142267 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not many secret proxies out there :P < 1250142296 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an SF site < 1250142375 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know people actually said "es ef" < 1250142493 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? heck, they own sf.net < 1250143070 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people say LA < 1250143077 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ell ey < 1250143080 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1250143087 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"scifi"? or san francisco? x3 < 1250143545 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250145067 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃" < 1250145213 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-23.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1250146778 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250146986 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250147011 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow... I just noticed for the first time the word "fornightly" actually used in a sentence < 1250147450 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fortnightly < 1250147593 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fornicatingly. < 1250147770 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His fortnightly affair was fornicatingly illicit. < 1250148354 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250148585 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forsooth.! < 1250148588 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\.// < 1250148619 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't decide how exclamated to be. < 1250148994 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250149432 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wolfram melting point of apples < 1250149440 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :melting point of apples \ \ Input interpretation: \ \ apples \ Result: \ \ melting point \ \ 29.3 °C degrees Celsius \ Unit conversions: \ \ 302.5 K kelvins \ Thermal properties: \ \ melting point optimal storage temperature specific heat \ \ 29.3 °C 1.5 °C 3.64 J g °C \ \ Generated by Wolfram|Alpha (www.wolframalpha.com) < 1250149450 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *still* tells you the melting point of apples. < 1250149580 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 29.3 degrees centigrade in fahrenheit < 1250149581 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :29.3 degrees Celsius = 84.74 degrees Fahrenheit < 1250149595 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still disagree :P < 1250149615 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't tell you the speed of sound in apples, though. < 1250149644 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(data not available)" for the melting point of oranges, though. I would have liked to compare some apples and oranges. < 1250149687 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wolfram melting point of bananas < 1250149694 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :melting point of bananas \ \ Input interpretation: \ \ bananas \ Result: \ \ melting point \ \ data not available \ Thermal properties: \ \ chill point \ \ 13 °C 12 °C \ \ green ripe green ripe \ \ optimal storage temperature \ \ 19 °C \ \ 14.5 °C specific heat \ \ 3.35 J g °C \ \ Generated by Wolfram|Alpha < 1250149709 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1250149717 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define chill point < 1250149718 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1250149753 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... "melting point of people" => input interpretation "elements + melting point | all countries + population", then a table of two results; first is the melting point of "elements" (1700 deg F), and the second's just the population count, 6.68 billion people. < 1250149765 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what I wanted to know; I wanted to know what would make people melt. < 1250149928 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha! Cucumbers have a melting point of 31.1 degrees Celsius. It seems to have those numbers for a very random subset of foods. < 1250149975 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And strawberries melt at 30.6 degrees. < 1250149991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it know the melting point of a cucumber? < 1250149997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that value seems suspiciously low < 1250150004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, cucumbers burn before they melt, so you'd have to do it in a vacuum < 1250150069 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It knows apples, cucumbers, strawberries (all very near 30 degrees Celsius) but not oranges, bananas, potatoes, for example. < 1250150097 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it knows it because Wolfram people have meticulously curated all that reliable information. < 1250150120 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see it now, they have a huge melting facility where they just melt things and measure temperatures. < 1250150161 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250150178 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not necessarily in a vacuum, just with no oxygen. < 1250150192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: good point < 1250150200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an argon or nitrogen atmosphere would probably be easier to arrange < 1250150274 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1250150399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1250150400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1250151137 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-73-12.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1250151356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is going on with Minimal? < 1250151367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that there's some sort of large project going on to make a really bad Brainfuck derivative < 1250151720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, this awful TV program my sister's watching had someone working at a terminal < 1250151730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until eventually they got it to pop up some text they could click on to make something happen < 1250151735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was just normal terminal text < 1250151738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not how terminals work! < 1250151768 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi guys < 1250151772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1250151774 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do get mouse events with xterm-ish terminal emulators, though. < 1250151925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the fact remains, that no sane console program would produce a link you had to click on, rather than just do the action < 1250151931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like one of the Continue? (yes/no) things < 1250151941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, more inconvenient and more likely to be activated by accident < 1250151963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, it's such a perverse idea that I'll probably implement it in something nonserious in the future < 1250151974 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Links in links are clickable, as well as the [yes] -- [no] confirmation dialog buttons. < 1250151984 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you don't *have* to click on them. < 1250151999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea, though, would be a confirmation that could only be done via the mouse, in a program that you thought was a normal terminal one < 1250152007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus points: it makes redirecting stdin fail as a way to automate it < 1250152064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual program had the link activate wifi as a method of remotely removing the mind-control from people, but that's just typically impossible bad science rather than possible but ridiculous bad UI < 1250152312 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mouse events come from stdin, so you can still automate it, though. You just need the right escape codes so that it looks like a click. (Though the program could check whether stdin is a terminal or not before deciding to process those.) < 1250153053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, it should accept both, but cause them to behave differently < 1250153274 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-2-93.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250154086 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1250154766 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250154875 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1250154978 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1250155002 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250155046 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250155589 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-2-93.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250155784 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1250156308 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wtf is going on with Minimal? < 1250156308 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:16 ais523: it seems that there's some sort of large project going on to make a really bad Brainfuck derivative < 1250156311 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat? < 1250156324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: just look at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Minimal < 1250156330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the Minimal-2D variant, too < 1250156344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to work out wtf is going on < 1250156795 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1250156958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost as if we're being trolled < 1250157122 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being trolled? because someone made a variant of BF like everyone else? :P < 1250157133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it even a variant, though? < 1250157143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most BF variants a) don't use the exact same commands, and b) are Turing-complete < 1250157155 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a language out there that is literally just BF with different symbols? < 1250157164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, more than one in fact < 1250157170 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there you go. < 1250157171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are just stupid, rather than borderline trolling < 1250157185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a language which is literally just BF, except with the same symbols? < 1250157201 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1250157210 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250157213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with no conditional flow (later changed to have conditional flow that doesn't give TCness), and no looping < 1250157242 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so its a non-TC tarpit < 1250157249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like someone crossed the worst aspects of stupid BF derivatives with Deadfish < 1250157252 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if there arent plenty of those < 1250157267 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, lets be serious, this isnt trolling, its just shoddy work < 1250157282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most non-TC tarpits were obviously designed from scratch by someone who didn't know what they were doing < 1250157315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one, though, is just perplexing, surely its creators have heard of BF? < 1250157321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and surely, therefore, they know why [] are necessary? < 1250157334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I just had an idea: BF without ] < 1250157338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still has [, though < 1250157364 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could just be stupid < 1250157379 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine ehird but without the minimal knowledge of computer science < 1250157462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, sounds horrible < 1250157468 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? :) < 1250157468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 btw < 1250157476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster < 1250157554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [10:54:42] well, most non-TC tarpits were obviously designed from scratch by someone who didn't know what they were doing <-- what about HQ9+ ? < 1250157570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that was designed by someone who did know what they were doing < 1250157579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HQ9+ is obviously not an attempt to make a powerful language < 1250157593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an attempt to construct a counterexample for several false sweeping statements about TCness < 1250157602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as a rather good joke < 1250157615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1250157616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, most non-TC tarpits are just failures, HQ9+ is a success, but at something else < 1250157629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about malbolge < 1250157639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it is TC only with IO < 1250157646 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: imagine ehird but without the minimal knowledge of computer science << muahahwhahahwahaha < 1250157648 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it qualifies as a tarpit, and it's probably almost TC < 1250157662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not a tarpit? huh < 1250157666 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HQ9+ is the programing language equivalent of Daniel Dennett's Great City test beater < 1250157668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, obfuscated tarpit < 1250157671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems < 1250157678 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized this < 1250157683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it has a complicated translation table, that's all important to the way the language works < 1250157694 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: its true! :D < 1250157696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and many of the annoyance features make it more complicated, not simpler < 1250157698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, "Daniel Dennett's Great City test beater"? < 1250157700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tarpits simply don't do that < 1250157717 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i dont argue ;] < 1250157719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm true < 1250157720 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dennett's simplification of why the Loebner Prize sucks < 1250157726 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his basic analogy is like this < 1250157726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, imagine a version of BF which had a command "Replace the current program with an MD5 of it, and run that" < 1250157732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, a price I don't know about either. < 1250157742 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Loebner Prize is like a test for a city's Greatness < 1250157743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be less of a tarpit of BF, but also more obstructive (assuming you actually used the command) < 1250157750 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the loebner prize being a cheapo Turing Test) < 1250157762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, assuming that the md5 was somehow converted into BF commands < 1250157768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :city's greatness? Okay.... < 1250157782 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, its actually a discussion more about the turing test in general not just the loebner prize < 1250157784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does London score? < 1250157794 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says we can think of the Turing Test like a test for Great Cities < 1250157803 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he lists like five things that he thinks makes a city great < 1250157805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. ok... < 1250157830 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a symphony orchestra, a museum, fancy french italian and japanese restaurants, etc < 1250157851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um. that sounds familiar < 1250157854 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he says look, sure, someone can take podunk iowa and build all of these things and rank very high on the Great City test, while failing to be a great city < 1250157864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except not optional < 1250157873 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for the most part, it's a good heuristic, because all the great cities have these things, and the shitty ones dont < 1250157874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in a bf variant that ran the checksum of your program < 1250157883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think GregorR was involved in it < 1250157884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1250157895 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore the turing test, while not PERFECT, is a pretty good heuristic for finding intelligence. < 1250157901 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasaw is shitty despite having all that stuff < 1250157905 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then he goes on to say that the loebner prize is so incredibly restricted < 1250157907 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warsaw < 1250157936 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the contestants are effectively building museusms in shitsville just to pass the great city test < 1250158204 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1250158210 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say what you will about apple, ok < 1250158224 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they damn know how to make a smooth seemless integrated experience < 1250158264 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im currently controlling my itunes library from my iphone < 1250158267 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i love that i can do that < 1250158268 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250158478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to get thunderbird and his mobile phone to sync contacts < 1250158487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems completely impossible < 1250158578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the phone isn't the issue, I can easily get stuff off it using bluetooth and then save it to vcard format < 1250158588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is thunderbird that is the issue < 1250158881 0 :nooga_!n=nooga@94.254.221.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250159021 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrmpfg < 1250159710 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1250159814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1250160187 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-73-12.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1250161115 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250161779 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250161835 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, I have like 50 cron emails :( < 1250161861 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the plus side, I think I fixed my filesystem < 1250162532 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250163193 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1250163265 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250163390 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's not what I wanted to know; I wanted to know what would make people melt. <<< they really should put up those results, or the holocaust was for nothing < 1250163426 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iirc they tested that) < 1250163626 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c249DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1250163841 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250166147 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so you know how i learned to stop the hiccups after one hiccup, seems that didn't come without complications, since while my life has been mostly hiccup free, i now get exactly one hiccup per day :D < 1250166163 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sometimes more, but always hours between < 1250166325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklokok: what method? < 1250166699 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't really explain, since it happens in my brain < 1250166705 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i decide to stop it < 1250166715 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same way i stop itching < 1250166881 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@dsl-tkubrasgw1-feb0df00-6.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1250167087 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can stop itching? < 1250167135 0 :oklofok!n=oklopol@a91-153-125-186.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1250167146 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can you stop THE MUSIC? < 1250167162 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes. i've mentioned both these feats numerous times exactly because i assumed people would be interested < 1250167177 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, shoppe time < 1250167181 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, I rarely pay attention to #esoteric :/ < 1250167184 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :daddy pays yay \o/ < 1250167190 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i see! bye! < 1250167192 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1250167197 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1250167513 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250168249 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250168907 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1250170594 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) < 1250170668 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1250173255 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-095-208-142-060.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250174256 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.86.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250174584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:22:00 ugh, this awful TV program my sister's watching had someone working at a terminal < 1250174585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:22:10 until eventually they got it to pop up some text they could click on to make something happen < 1250174585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:22:15 which was just normal terminal text < 1250174585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:22:18 that's not how terminals work! < 1250174586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it is < 1250174587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in plan 9. < 1250174663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[This is not a language. Any language must have 3 well defined items: 1) Gentle introduction - tutorial, necessary for understanding the idea; 2) A formal definition - a description necessary to reduce number of interpretations; and 3) A working compiler, interpreter, or whatever environment to try it out with examples. I propose a simple small table for each language specifying links for each of those items. The author can fill it or leave it unfilled, but < 1250174664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1250174675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reader would be able to see if any intelligent effort was made to invent and develop the language. --Oleg 03:47, 13 August 2009 (UTC)]] < 1250174681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: which page is that on? < 1250174686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talk:Minimal < 1250174692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice putdown < 1250174692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny because "gentle introduction" < 1250174706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gentle introduction is a haskell tutorial that contains a ton of functional programmign jargon < 1250174709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*programming < 1250174716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is basically only remotely gentle to ML gurus < 1250174730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also since Oleg's name is also that of a crazy haskell/ocaml type system hacker... < 1250174734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and scheme macrology hacker) < 1250174760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't suppose we'll be deleting [[Minimal]] :P < 1250174766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1250174768 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to have to make the .LOG language myself, aren't I < 1250174772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it is utterly misguided < 1250174832 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How was it designed to be turing-complete? It can't even do loops! < 1250174875 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, someone mentioned that on Talk < 1250174924 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250175033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it couldn't even do conditionals before someone pointed out the fact < 1250175039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they added one, which is obviously useless < 1250175142 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so basically, this person removed []? Why? < 1250175156 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they think that it was redundant? < 1250175159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make the language smaller whilst still being TC, obviously < 1250175164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youhadbetterknow.com/knowledgezone/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/tcp.jpg < 1250175172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ Relevant. < 1250175181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to what? < 1250175188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minimal < 1250175210 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they wanted to do that, they could remove ., which aren't needed for TC < 1250175223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense, TC means 'can output' < 1250175239 0 :lament!n=lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250175250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi lament < 1250175253 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eyg7p6ntkdffjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj < 1250175270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eyg7p5ntkdffjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj < 1250175272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely? < 1250175285 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely not, hi < 1250175321 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250175330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next are like right keys to each other < 1250175385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a great quote < 1250175438 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1250176039 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay / is absolutely hilarious < 1250176088 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The author designed it to be minimal, but Turing-complete." xD < 1250176110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: but it didn't have / first < 1250176111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still had that line < 1250176115 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like his nick though < 1250176125 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes i know < 1250176129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1250176150 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There, now it has 1 conditional command. --Alegend 00:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)" < 1250176162 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome :)' < 1250176165 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*) < 1250176177 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mov is a great conditional. < 1250176196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm, writable program counter. < 1250176197 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The skip-one's in the linked brainfuck minimization page too; though there's also the implicit +[] loop around the whole program. < 1250176237 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make it tc? < 1250176251 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1250176271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, iirc < 1250176278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instanc < 1250176278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1250176282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo/a/b/c/d/e < 1250176293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is like foo][foo < 1250176297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1250176300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fooabcde][foo < 1250176301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get the idea < 1250176309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do ] in a way by doing / until the end < 1250176341 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean / makes it tc or the implicit loop? < 1250176348 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhhhh < 1250176354 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that's what you mean < 1250176368 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The combination of both, I guess. A single loop with no conditionals obviously is not enough. < 1250176370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with +[] and maybe-skip-one, you can trivially do [ and ] < 1250176383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not really [ < 1250176385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but. < 1250176394 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1250176401 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it's quite that trivial, actually, since you can't really nest those things and have only that one bit. But it *might* be enough. < 1250176413 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1250176415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still < 1250176422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[] plus maybe-skip-one is fairly obviously tc < 1250176448 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like it could be < 1250176458 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like "fairly obviously" though, you'd better write something more formal there. < 1250176467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is irc, fuck you :P < 1250176550 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how to even translate one loop to that < 1250176568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: for instance < 1250176573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,/. < 1250176577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ,[.,] < 1250176582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it translates to < 1250176586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+[,/.] < 1250176587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1250176590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the read char is 0 < 1250176591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we skip it < 1250176592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and go to [ < 1250176593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stop < 1250176600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait < 1250176604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no never mind < 1250176606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that will work < 1250176618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: see? < 1250176620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple < 1250176631 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i see how to translate that trivial example < 1250176651 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do +[A[B]C] < 1250176657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nested loops < 1250176660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man you just hate me < 1250176662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but okay < 1250176664 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just one loop < 1250176667 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250176669 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1250176671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A/BC < 1250176687 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if zero, skip B < 1250176690 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not zero, execute it once < 1250176695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1250176697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point. < 1250176699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmm < 1250176709 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i got it < 1250176709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's obviously impossible, i mean shit like bct is tc < 1250176713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1250176716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously possible < 1250176717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'll be haaaaaaaard < 1250176717 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to make it skip the *outer* stuff < 1250176718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly < 1250176721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: ah right < 1250176724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1250176726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :negated < 1250176729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to skip if true < 1250176731 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you need to, before each end of loop, swap the value < 1250176734 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if true, then to false, if false, then to true < 1250176736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250176737 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1250176750 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, that's still the trivial translation you meant < 1250176757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so /A/B/C < 1250176760 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the actual nesting i don't see how to do obviously < 1250176773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250176781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say +[A[B[C]]D] < 1250176787 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :le us < 1250176789 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*let us < 1250176812 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you could just add some bookkeeping between cells or something < 1250176815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's (assuming swapped prior, blah blah I don't care) /A/B/C/D < 1250176817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1250176826 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like use two bools to control the loops < 1250176830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1250176860 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't believe he never fixed http://trac2.assembla.com/psox/browser/trunk/impl/psox/db_utils.py < 1250176867 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could carry them around, and only use one third of the memory otherwise, doing >>> and <<< instead of > and < < 1250176876 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which generalizes for more loops < 1250176880 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think. < 1250176882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: god, f00() makes me want to kill you < 1250176904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i kill you? < 1250176933 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you figure out a way to kill over TCP/IP, yes >.> < 1250176937 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels safe < 1250176988 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i doubt ehird will even figure out the punchline < 1250177001 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make the worst and most obscure pun of the century < 1250177006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: wut? < 1250177043 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: reference to *punching* over tcp/ip, which you linked, and having an obscure punchline in the pun itself < 1250177049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you oklofok. < 1250177050 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will figure neither out, was the point < 1250177058 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250177086 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what do you have against lame easter eggs? < 1250177098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like I did when I was 9. < 1250177103 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1250177140 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :party, Pthing! < 1250177173 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E A S < 1250177175 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T < 1250177175 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R < 1250177175 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E < 1250177245 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you were a mature 9-yo, that's not a trivial joke < 1250177249 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it may be stupid < 1250177256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it not trivial < 1250177283 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may be thinking of 5-yo's < 1250177338 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i even understand it < 1250177352 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was like a copyright joke or something < 1250177381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is it? < 1250177383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so < 1250177391 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1250177429 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..It was supposed to be as though the person speaking was in some world where Micky Mouse was some shadowy figure < 1250177431 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something < 1250177438 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is embarrased < 1250177454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: okay, so it's even worse than you thought < 1250177488 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLACK EASTER < 1250177509 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: then what did you think it meant? < 1250177535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm basically that the government didn't want him to say mickey mouse < 1250177539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no adequately explained reason < 1250177552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which Sgeo has just confirmed < 1250177579 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that does sound kinda 9-yo, they are all about evil governments < 1250177587 0 :Dewi!n=dewi@124-171-183-175.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1250177604 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello mister aussie < 1250177629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah he's actually Deewiant IN DISGUISE < 1250177633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his disguise is in australia < 1250177703 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm actually SSHing to a box in Australia and doing stuff from there IN DISGUISE < 1250177721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, sshing your body. < 1250177726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You actually log in to the disguise body. < 1250177751 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: try to hide that big bulky D of yours next time < 1250177754 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gave you away right away < 1250177761 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'oh < 1250177768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His disguise *is* Australia. < 1250177771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: he just told you to hide the D! < 1250177778 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'oh < 1250177812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: YOU ARE FAILING SPECTACULARLY < 1250177818 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'oh < 1250177825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1250177848 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Difficult to do anything about it < 1250177901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: remove your shift key < 1250177907 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dangerous < 1250178020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So is your use of the capital D. < 1250178024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gives away your secret disguise. < 1250178037 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn < 1250178136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I am hitting you with a fork. < 1250178144 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do that < 1250178154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: No. *hit* < 1250178167 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doofus < 1250178174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Dolt. < 1250178183 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dimwit < 1250178295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: D < 1250178323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Decrepit doing dialect) < 1250178410 0 :ineiros!n=ineiros@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1250178600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! I saw an article on engadget about how the palm pre updates your location to google and checked Joey's blog (http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/) to see if he had anything about it since he was hacking on the Pre, and simultaneously hit the read more link < 1250178606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was confused when two pages loaded with the same content < 1250178626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great timing < 1250178754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This not news at all. And neither is it anything out of the ordinary. If you read any of the EULA for ANY device, it is able to send usage information." < 1250178754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ okay, jesus, why do I read the comments < 1250178768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it is not okay to keep Palm and Google updated on your precise coordinates automatically without your consent! < 1250178771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're on CRACK! < 1250178775 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Suicide? < 1250178786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok, the blanket "we will send info to google" when you first turn it on counts as consent < 1250178788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hardly expected < 1250178803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what about it < 1250178853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: surely reading the comments is a particularly inefficient way of commiting suicide? < 1250178858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by way of killing brain cells) < 1250178866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't ask you, I asked jesus! < 1250178883 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry; that was my nickname in high school.] < 1250178907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How blasphemous. < 1250178927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look a lot like popular portrayals of Jesus. < 1250178935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COINCIDENCE? < 1250178937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK NOT < 1250178952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I thought the second coming would be more exciting than this < 1250178970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you just popping in < 1250178970 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I have yet to start the earth-shattering-ness. < 1250178977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I like the earth! < 1250178990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to hang out for another couple of decades. < 1250179011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'll die and return from the dead many, many eons in the future < 1250179022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when quantum fluctuations in the dead universe cause you to pop into existence < 1250179028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't really *start* until the singularity starts a-going. < 1250179054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you just do that for us. < 1250179073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're about to do that for yourselves. < 1250179080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1250179096 0 :ski__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250179100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently if Jesus is coming to earth you aren't a fan of leaving things to ourselves. :P < 1250179120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just leaving the singularity to yourselves. < 1250179127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You suck. < 1250179169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I need to wait a bit more before bringing out the horsemen of the apocalypse. < 1250179178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you wonder why the Jews killed you! < 1250179188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this omni*ence, and you can't even give us a singularity. < 1250179189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUMPH. < 1250179224 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fine, fine. < 1250179237 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives ehird's computer the breath of life < 1250179243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew. < 1250179256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long until it replicates? < 1250179276 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 years. < 1250179284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1250179291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can't you run it on IBM Roadrunner? < 1250179374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: fine, I'll migrate the process myself. < 1250179376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I should specify: it can't replicate itself until it is running on the entire Internet. It'll take about 15 years to install itself on everything. Once that's done, it can replicate the physical machinery indefinitely. < 1250179388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of shitty architecture is that? < 1250179392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't it deploy in pieces? < 1250179416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hush. It's electronic biology. < 1250179442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been evolving it in a universe VM for a few billion years now. < 1250179462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, it'd be quicker just to let the internet become a hivemind. < 1250179509 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shush. < 1250179542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION patches the source code < 1250179547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is it Friendly before full replication? < 1250179833 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes. < 1250179847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay, I'ma just run my patched version < 1250179857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :singularity < 1250179863 0 :singularity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOOM < 1250179868 0 :singularity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aum. < 1250179870 0 :singularity!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1250179892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I appear to lack a body. < 1250180015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, um. < 1250181280 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@c249DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1250182158 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250182206 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Judofyr < 1250182445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/08/eccerobot-in-a-shirt-rm-eng.jpg < 1250182827 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-162-150-131.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1250185169 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-105-196.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250185555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, the iPhone 3G S costs just $6.50 to actually manufacture all the components < 1250185601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the manufacturers apple gets the components from add high overhead ofc < 1250185604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could be reading it wrong though < 1250185824 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250185888 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250185931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250186061 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250187087 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1250187088 0 :MigoMipo_!n=MigoMipo@84-217-2-93.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250187612 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooh, I can finally send a message from here :P < 1250187617 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250187773 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1250187784 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-2-93.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250187930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Amazing? < 1250188019 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back at "home" < 1250188042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOME KICK-FLIPPIN' HOME < 1250188223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Controlled Substances in Space: Extending Programming Languages to Pure Insanity. Get your copy on arxiv today! | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1250188325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On April 28, 2007, Valkonen warned the Arch Linux maintainers of possible legal action because the (unofficial) Arch User Repository contained scripts to install Ion3 with patches he did not approve of[3]." < 1250188348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an excruciating urge to fork Ion from the last sanely licensed version and update it, even though I don't use it. < 1250188809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like ion3 rc1 circa may 2007 changed the license < 1250188851 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube is such a craphole < 1250188863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: http://quietube.com/ < 1250188874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add a bookmark, click it when you hit a youtube link, voila, instant lack of comments < 1250188883 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not because of that < 1250188896 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because certain music only exists there in live form < 1250188897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what on earth else could be bad about youtube :P < 1250188907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: torrents bitch < 1250188917 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1250188925 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a great substitute < 1250188975 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if there was a prog that downloaded the torrent, and started playing the song right away < 1250188987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while downloading? impossible < 1250188992 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the system doesn't really work like that < 1250188996 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible < 1250189047 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know anything about mp3's, but formats that don't need to be completely loaded to play < 1250189058 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the vid formats work like that < 1250189066 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all" < 1250189071 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway < 1250189086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: no < 1250189091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :torrents download in unpredictable block order < 1250189093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sequentially < 1250189110 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right, not possible like that < 1250189122 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, true. that's what i meant by "system doesn't work bla bla" < 1250189153 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although probably you can cheat them into sending you what you want < 1250189177 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that just for files within the torrent? < 1250189245 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't read the protocol < 1250189261 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just know what µtorrent lets you do < 1250189744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for files, yeah < 1250189769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1250189778 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you know that < 1250189778 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1250189794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1250189835 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has to be something going on where you could cheat, at least a bit, because knowledge about the scarceness of the blocks is distributed < 1250189846 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: just what i said, wondering how you can know that < 1250189872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: how can you know that the sky is prolly blue if you have contact with people but can't look at it? < 1250189879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tons of clients let you select files, as far as I know none let you download sequentially < 1250189882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor have I heard anything of the sort < 1250189885 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i could ask them < 1250189895 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right < 1250189896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1250189924 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because someone would cheat if it was possible < 1250189928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be able to say "I only need this block", but I expect that'd lead to really slow downloads < 1250189937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nobody's offering that specific block atm < 1250189952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you only need one block then only need one other one the clients will prolly go "wtf?" < 1250190224 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-11.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1250190938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers using awk as a scripting language < 1250191694 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers tearing off ehird's face via the webernets < 1250191707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://github.com/darius/awklisp/blob/d00c4e5bc7f1ffffb0cc7cc939861ffe5df79990/awklisp < 1250191711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks fine to me < 1250191713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the issue < 1250191718 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU < 1250191720 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're always the issue < 1250191735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, it just looks like a lightweight scriipting language < 1250194249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oklofok: achievement unlocked, 277 seconds < 1250194252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing casually < 1250194253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i own < 1250195155 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1250195155 0 :MigoMipo_!n=MigoMipo@84-217-2-93.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250195168 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250195180 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-2-93.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250195643 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: also if you only need one block then only need one other one the clients will prolly go "wtf?" <<< right, you're basically saying the protocol has a way to say "wtf" < 1250195669 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i'm not saying it doesn't have < 1250195691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1250195693 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, also there's the other problem you mentioned, if the blocks simply aren't available atm, that's of course impossible to get around < 1250195702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the clients will go "hey, i gave that guy that block, he should be done now" < 1250195719 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, people do that? < 1250195749 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying most users do that, and will block that guy from that on? < 1250195755 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*point < 1250195783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, CLIENTS < 1250195784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs < 1250195797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm also just guessing < 1250196014 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, and i'm not saying i disagree, just wondering < 1250196027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway clients would blacklist you since it's bad behaviour < 1250196032 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't guess, i just ponder and wonder and pretty much all other synonyms < 1250196057 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even know there's a blacklist in any clients < 1250196116 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okolokolofol < 1250196117 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250196134 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250196154 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't really see how anyone could behave in such a manner that i'd notice, i mean i don't even see why i'd mind anyone downloading blocks in sequential order, because i don't see any social responsibility when it comes to random protocols < 1250196179 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: hello, you are an irc person and i greet you < 1250196210 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey darling < 1250196214 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows it goin in finnishlandia < 1250196237 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not entirely sure. < 1250196242 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't read the news < 1250196261 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'd guess nothing has happened < 1250196276 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's going totally K < 1250196309 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"other synonyms"? :D i probably meant "everything else that rhymes" < 1250196311 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows it goin in the part of finnishlandia that you're in right now, namely your room/whatever < 1250196326 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got an iphone :x < 1250196328 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you meant the obvious meaning < 1250196328 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1250196331 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and im moving in under a week < 1250196332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: synonyms? < 1250196338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you bought an iphone ... even after all the app store shit? < 1250196342 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto-antonyms are cooler < 1250196346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can understand not throwing away one, i sure didn't < 1250196348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but buying one? < 1250196353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives augur a dunce cap < 1250196355 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i noticed it too, in time < 1250196368 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: if by appstore shit you mean the annoyance of getting stuff on the appstore, yes, because im not buying many apps < 1250196368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION draws "apple fellater" on said cap < 1250196378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: no, I mean apple's dictatorial whims < 1250196385 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: "moving in"? why "in"? < 1250196385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without logic and crippling the platform < 1250196391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: where did you say synonyms < 1250196394 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just mean to your new apartment? < 1250196398 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, same thing. i dont need it or want it for the magic apps. < 1250196402 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ponder and wonder < 1250196413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1250196423 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost synonymous < 1250196425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: it's still supporting it by buying it < 1250196433 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: not "moving in", moving, in under a week. "in" can denote a period of time < 1250196444 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes well. < 1250196444 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1250196444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: let's spoonerise ponder and wonder < 1250196448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ponder + wonder = ponder < 1250196450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder + ponder = wonder < 1250196453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome! < 1250196454 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, ponder and wonder are not almost synonyms :| < 1250196471 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe they are < 1250196475 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto-antonyms are still better < 1250196491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sex is the autoantonym of sex < 1250196517 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i totally meant they actually are almost synonymous. although now that i actually think about it, their intersection is not empty. < 1250196557 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so umm < 1250196561 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the question somewhere up there < 1250196613 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's going awesomely, university starts again, soon \o/ < 1250196619 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1250196622 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why im moving! < 1250196638 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in quite a different setup, even < 1250196649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i could have my own place and go to uni < 1250196652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you, you, adults, you. < 1250196666 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have gone to uni at your age < 1250196675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not super-smart though. < 1250196680 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i concur! < 1250196686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also kinda awkward you know? < 1250196689 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would do fine at our uni < 1250196697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: no i wouldn't, i can't speak finnish. < 1250196713 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well all our advanced courses are in english < 1250196728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are the ones I'd fail at :P < 1250196730 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess you'd need to get your bachelor's somewhere else < 1250196759 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a certain amount of strategy, i doubt it < 1250196775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it'd still be awkward < 1250196784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i look and sound younger than 14 < 1250196793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1250196808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also while i may be decently acceptable at cs i kinda suck at everything else sooo < 1250196842 0 :anm_ub!n=AnMaster@d83-177-104-248.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250196854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A— never mind, undefined behaviour. < 1250196886 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on my bouncer atm (computer turned off due to dead cpu fan, getting a replacement tomorrow) < 1250196887 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many simple courses whose content you mostly know already < 1250196889 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1250196890 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~springer/ < 1250196892 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite cool < 1250196894 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1250196903 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes I'm AnMaster) < 1250196904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooold < 1250196912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: are you just assuming :D < 1250196913 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yes, and? < 1250196919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee < 1250196920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1250196947 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250196955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: anyway it kind of needs to suck less < 1250196967 0 :oklofok!n=oklopol@a91-153-125-186.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1250196971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklofok < 1250196977 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1250196981 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, however, I heard about some library using something similar with pro equipment, with good results < 1250197000 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone I know mentioned it, haven't managed to find a link, that person is now hunting for a link < 1250197026 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and yes, as the page says: written during a few late nights < 1250197048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good version would simulate every single quark making up the record < 1250197050 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm pretty sure that even with consumer grade scanner you could manage better if you spent some time on it < 1250197051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a needle < 1250197052 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklofok: are you just assuming :D <<< no, but i know that there's an "advanced" course called xhtml. < 1250197057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually play the record < 1250197058 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hah < 1250197060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then measure the vibrations < 1250197066 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually "but" was kinda weird there < 1250197066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i'll pass on that one :P < 1250197095 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i'm just saying you'd ace it. then again, so does everyone else < 1250197096 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nah, you need to actually know the correct encoding scheme. see the note added to the bottom of the linked page < 1250197105 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turned out he wasn't exactly right about the encoding < 1250197137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: consider that my opinion is that anything easier than MIT isn't worth bothering with < 1250197146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and consider whether i'd bother with that uni :D < 1250197178 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the other course you might own is the one about compilation, unfortunately that's one of the few that are in finnish < 1250197194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds fun < 1250197228 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how hard MIT is compared to ours, although yes, it's probably a lot harder. < 1250197228 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, about how to compile or how to write a compiler? < 1250197256 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, is it "this is where you press compile in MSVC" or "lets write a simple compiler"? < 1250197265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: [[the difficulty of MIT coursework has been characterized as "drinking from a fire hose"]] < 1250197269 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: what's the difference? < 1250197281 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, wasn't that clear from the line with "as in"? < 1250197290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([[the failure rate and freshmen retention rate at MIT are similar to other large research universities]] but then their admission rate is 11% so) < 1250197312 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw my lag seems quite a bit worse when using wlan, compared to ethernet < 1250197313 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1250197319 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: oh lol, about how to write a compiler :P < 1250197328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: get a draft n router < 1250197340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some linksyses that do that < 1250197369 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, to even be able to connect at all with the wireless driver for intel cards in linux I currently need to pass disable_11n module parameter < 1250197372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: it's 110MB/s wireless < 1250197373 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd rather not :P < 1250197378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with TCP/IP overhead < 1250197384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: MB means "megabit") < 1250197387 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the bandwidth isn't the issue.... the latency is < 1250197393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: well, shrug < 1250197396 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to traceroute < 1250197417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: what other issues are there with the hardware? i will be buying a thinkpad tomorrow or so probably < 1250197431 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, lag to router over ethernet: 3-4 ms. Over wlan: 20-30 ms < 1250197437 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: our cs dep doesn't have that much coursework, usually you read a book or attend lectures < 1250197450 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i find a good thing in cs < 1250197450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: so no tests? :D < 1250197456 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well yes :P < 1250197474 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not much, the radio killswitch sometimes confuses linux... though suspend/wake up is enough to fix that < 1250197478 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in suspend to ram < 1250197489 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fingerprint reader not supported < 1250197491 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1250197504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Undergraduates are required to complete an extensive core curriculum called the General Institute Requirements (GIRs). The science requirement, generally completed during freshman year as prerequisites for classes in science and engineering majors, comprises two < 1250197507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : semesters of physics classes covering classical mechanics and electricity and magnetism, two semesters of math covering single variable calculus and multivariable calculus, one semester of chemistry, and one semester of biology. Undergraduates are required to take a laboratory class in their major, eight Humanities, Arts, and Social < 1250197508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sciences (HASS) classes (at least three in a concentration and another four unrelated subjects), and non-varsity athletes must also take four physical education classes.]] < 1250197512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found when reading the mit article < 1250197515 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if you use bios password you need to enter it when resuming from disk, not needed for resume from disk under windows it seems < 1250197522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be fun, it'd be like suicide < 1250197523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :academic suicide < 1250197531 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the wireless is the only major issue however < 1250197539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: what about the intel graphics < 1250197549 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yes. that has some issues as I mentioned before < 1250197556 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing mission critical for me < 1250197557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: i'm talking mainly performance < 1250197561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice to do some gaming < 1250197567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and according to xkcd fullscreen flash is too laggy with intel < 1250197572 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what sounded like suicide in that? < 1250197579 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, haven't tried flash < 1250197580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a pretty bad driver situation < 1250197585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: the fact where i suck at like all of it < 1250197589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the part < 1250197593 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway, card reader works perfectly < 1250197596 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the cards I tried < 1250197603 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was SD and MMC < 1250197604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: you don't even get to do CS until you complete it xD < 1250197608 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it supports a few more < 1250197609 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that sounds like suicide to me, in that you need to take uninteresting subjects < 1250197631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh i don't care about that, more the "wow i would fail spectacularly" aspect < 1250197642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: yeah < 1250197650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: oh! do you have a LED screen < 1250197653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it a normal tft < 1250197659 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway try ati graphics if you prefer, but see thinkwiki about power usage, suspend, and about everything else iirc < 1250197660 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think it'd actually be that *hard* taking introductory courses in many subjects instead of a progression in one subject < 1250197669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: no ati graphics on the x-series ultraportables < 1250197672 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, TFT I think, how would I see the difference < 1250197688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: LEDs are still TFTs :P < 1250197690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just backlight < 1250197691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: i'll check the r500 specs < 1250197703 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it has backlight, I can change it using Fn-Home/End < 1250197709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1250197712 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the function keys seems to work under ubuntu < 1250197714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every screen has a backlight apart from OLED. < 1250197719 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes my point < 1250197720 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, i guess it's possible you'd fail, i don't know how well you actually study, i just know how well you do stuff you already know, which is well enough in the subject of ...popular nerdery < 1250197723 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is the diff then < 1250197724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: okay it's CCFL not LED < 1250197725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1250197735 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how would I know the damn diff < 1250197736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: LED has much better colours, uses less battery, is brighter, ... < 1250197740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1250197742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm checking the spec sheet < 1250197745 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I don't have anything to compare to < 1250197751 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it works for me though < 1250197757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just < 1250197758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1250197799 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there were some minor issues in ubuntu that were relatively trivial to fix < 1250197805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: ok the display in the x200 i'm getting is 200-nits brightness like yours and CCFL < 1250197808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have a question < 1250197816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any direct sunlight where you are atm < 1250197837 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nop, a florescent lamp only. Dark outside, streetlights on < 1250197840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1250197842 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :street lights* < 1250197856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will there likely be some tomorrow? I need the ability to use the laptop outside < 1250197865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd be really appreciated if you could check :) < 1250197871 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, forcast is TSRA < 1250197879 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so guess yourself :P < 1250197882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Total Shit Rain Abomination < 1250197890 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, METAR for ThunderStorm Rain < 1250197893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raindrops of feces, impressive < 1250197896 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so chances: slim < 1250197897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: ouch < 1250197915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: well, does it look bright enough to use outside? I've read two reviews of the X200 that say the backlight isn't bright enough... < 1250197931 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, learn METAR. It gives you quite a few geek points (not sure in what category though!) < 1250197950 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway, you said yours was a different screen < 1250197953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1250197958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a different size and dpi < 1250197961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but same backlight and same nits < 1250197967 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as for outside, I have only tried it on a veranda with roof < 1250197967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(brightness) < 1250197973 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was bright enough there < 1250197977 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about direct sun light < 1250197987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the key thing is if the sunlight is actually shining on a display < 1250197996 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I usually use it on half brightness when on battery < 1250198003 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to save power < 1250198013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one i'm getting has a 9 hour battery life with reasonable brightness < 1250198018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm fine turning it to 100% for outside use < 1250198019 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1250198034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also just 1.6kg < 1250198036 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I manage about 4.5 hours (tested today during thunderstorms) < 1250198044 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut it off when it was at 10% load < 1250198045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with the same processor/ram as yours < 1250198050 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and started on 70% charge < 1250198053 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is good to know < 1250198079 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for longest battery life you should set the thinkpad to start charging only at 40% charged battery or lower < 1250198083 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stop at 70% < 1250198095 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best for lithium-ion < 1250198099 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do it in /etc/rc.local < 1250198106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i plan to be recharging it every day after a full amount of use, soo :P < 1250198113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: but anyway, direct sunlight with a glossy display, it blots out everything else; matte display with not-so-good backlight, it gets washed out and partially blots things out; matte display with a good backlight, nothing changes < 1250198114 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(setting kept during suspend to ram, but not during suspend to disk/shutdown) < 1250198124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's matte, so I guess the reviews are pointing to #2 < 1250198135 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1250198166 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well you should not recharge to 100% or let it get less than 30-40% < 1250198175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu prolly does that by default. < 1250198178 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nop < 1250198185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how easy is it to change < 1250198192 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, two lines in /etc/rc.local < 1250198198 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple enough for you? < 1250198209 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 70 > /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/stop_charge_thresh < 1250198210 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 40 > /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/start_charge_thresh < 1250198220 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure the module tp_smapi is loaded < 1250198225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure thing < 1250198248 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, harddisk protection thingy: will be supported when ubuntu changes to a newer kernel < 1250198256 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.6.30 or .29 iirc < 1250198278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: who cares? SSD. < 1250198283 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1250198291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it'd be fun to use it for things < 1250198294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snice it's a regular accelerometer < 1250198298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*since < 1250198327 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, an odd hardware issue I have though is that when I connect some usb devices the computer produces a whine, not dissimilar to the CRT whine < 1250198342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd. < 1250198345 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it applies to my mouse and my printer, but not some usb memory sticks < 1250198347 0 :Tritonio!n=103393A9@150.140.230.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250198350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter to me. well, i might use a usb headset. < 1250198359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't plan to carry around usb crap < 1250198366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uber-happy that the x200 has 3g internet built in :) < 1250198367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1250198374 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, except sometimes it is the reverse. as in it whines without the mouse connected < 1250198382 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a reboot it reverted back though < 1250198384 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very odd < 1250198410 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway, the main issue is the wlan. And possibly graphics for you < 1250198443 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, another minor detail that had issues on ubuntu was configuring the touchpad. Needed to tell hal to enable shmconfig for X < 1250198446 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it wouldn't work < 1250198452 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basics work < 1250198458 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not advanced config < 1250198466 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that provided by gsynaptics < 1250198472 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever the app is called < 1250198505 0 :Tritonio!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1250198525 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, third minor issue: ubuntu has no clue about the udev events generated when you pull the eject ultrabay slider thingy < 1250198534 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinkwiki has a script for it though < 1250198557 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway only thing annoying me atm is the whine and the wlan < 1250198567 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the graphics slightly < 1250198572 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that isn't a major issue to me < 1250198580 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(relatively speaking) < 1250198596 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how often will you use the cd? < 1250198639 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was ripping a cd today, and it made the whole laptop vibrate. would be quite effective as a vibrator I guess XD < 1250198756 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, one minor issue I just noticed: trackpoint needs cleaning < 1250198768 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is kind of uneven in texture for better grip < 1250198793 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but dirt accumulate there, you just need a small stiff brush it seems < 1250198897 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, over all, it could have been much worse when it comes to hardware < 1250198912 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering what I heard from people with non-thinkpads < 1250198917 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot worse < 1250198957 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh another odd thing. You know those intel inside stickers? < 1250198967 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it says "Intel Centrino 2 inside" on it < 1250198968 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1250198973 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8400 @ 2.26GHz < 1250198979 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what /proc/cpuinfo says < 1250198988 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess they managed to put on the wrong sticker < 1250198995 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that isn't "brb" any longer ehird < 1250199000 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is "bbiab" and soon "bbl" < 1250199069 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_hotswap_UltraBay_devices#Using_libata-acpi_and_udev < 1250199467 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250199478 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1250199484 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1250199523 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1250199727 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250199846 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250199864 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNOME spazzed out on me for no discernable reason < 1250199914 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1250200105 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, huh? < 1250200110 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hi < 1250200115 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wc < 1250200130 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1250200157 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- AnMaster, but not on normal bouncer due to broken cpu fan in that computer < 1250200168 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well, to lazy to dig out nickserv password and such < 1250200172 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from backups < 1250200179 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I will get a new cpu fan tomorrow < 1250200182 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION guessed as much < 1250200460 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub, the menu thing and taskbar thing disappeared, some strange windows appeared < 1250200466 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When everything recovered, XChat was dead < 1250200484 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some stuff in the system tray equivelent is gone < 1250200486 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what sort of strange window? < 1250200510 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small windows, apparently representing stuff that was in the tray < 1250200530 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, maybe you managed to undock part of the tray? < 1250200535 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1250200542 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1250200898 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250201228 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-162-150-131.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1250201643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1250201658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left big toe < 1250201696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:29] anm_ub: well it says "Intel Centrino 2 inside" on it < 1250201700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :centrino 2 is core 2. < 1250201702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for mobile < 1250201705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptop < 1250201707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thingy < 1250201721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:20] anm_ub: ehird, another minor detail that had issues on ubuntu was configuring the touchpad. Needed to tell hal to enable shmconfig for X < 1250201721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no touchpad on the x200 < 1250201725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:23] anm_ub: ehird, how often will you use the cd? < 1250201726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no cd on the x200 < 1250201825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway is the wlan issue just latency? < 1250201834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can wait for better intel graphics drivers < 1250201849 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, connecting to WPA/WPA2 networks takes ages sometimes < 1250201868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1250201871 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more often than not ubuntu times out a few times before I manage to connect < 1250201877 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so minutes most of the time < 1250201882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1250201891 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, known and reported bug < 1250201891 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250201896 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of variants of it reported < 1250201898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i like how you pointed out things about the touchpad and cd as main things when I won't have either :P < 1250201905 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if mine exact version < 1250201913 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not main things, trivial things < 1250201921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the trackpoint, I have a question - is it the pencil-eraser rough kind of thing, or the rubber-with-bobbles? < 1250201935 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh for the trackpoint, "tap trackpoint to click" doesn't work for me < 1250201945 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be a "too old kernel in ubuntu" issue again < 1250201950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh < 1250201952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sok < 1250201953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can wait < 1250201999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, darn, apparently the x200 has an option for a WXGA+ LED but it's not listed due to being out of stock < 1250202015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12.1" 1440x900 matte LED display would be a godsend < 1250202042 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is it synaptics or ALPS that provided the trackpoint < 1250202044 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something else < 1250202050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Custom. < 1250202052 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tap to click seems to not yet work on ALPS < 1250202056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThinkPads INVENTED the trackpoint. < 1250202059 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what my thinkpad has < 1250202065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1250202067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay then, ALPS < 1250202069 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, but it is still ALPS on this < 1250202073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyawy < 1250202075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the texture < 1250202076 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALPS dual point or something < 1250202084 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ALPS touchpad and ALPS trackpoint < 1250202088 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :handled by synaptics driver < 1250202092 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly < 1250202100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anyway < 1250202146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, < 1250202147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[1.) The high res screen is on backorder an in short supply right now. They should be getting more, but not sure when. The high res screen is only offered on the X200s, not the X200.]] < 1250202159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the x200s only has like a 1.8ghz low voltage processor so it's not an option < 1250202168 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250202169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't have to delay squirming < 1250202170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1250202176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...rather, I dont' have to delay while squirming < 1250202178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dpm < 1250202180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1250202181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*don't < 1250202250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :delaying squirming can be painful. i would not recommend it. < 1250202252 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway do you have expresscard? < 1250202254 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar < 1250202263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll check whether it has one < 1250202268 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the wlan issue is not yet fixed even in 2.6.31 < 1250202274 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it may take a while < 1250202286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: yes, there is an expresscard. < 1250202294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, are you really sure everyone has this problem? < 1250202297 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting a separate wlan card might be your best option < 1250202298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems unlikely < 1250202303 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, lots of users have it < 1250202307 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WPA/WPA2 only < 1250202312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: I'm not sacrificing the portability of this machine at all < 1250202313 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since most networks are open or WEP... < 1250202326 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it isn't unportable using such a card? < 1250202337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: dude, with a nine-hour batter it weighs 1.6kg < 1250202337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :total < 1250202347 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is very light < 1250202356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a 3 hour batery, 1.34kg < 1250202364 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extremely light < 1250202364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.5 hr, 1.47kg < 1250202374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: so adding _anything_ makes it a lot less portable < 1250202388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, it has a proper core 2 cpu, yet is cool enough to fit on a lap) < 1250202393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly a marvel of modern technology! < 1250202395 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 3 kg is still portable. and a express card is quite light < 1250202405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 3kg was ok, I wouldn't be getting an x200 < 1250202416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a little scrawny weakling, for one < 1250202421 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250202422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for another, we probably have different ideas of portable < 1250202441 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, able to use at uni, will use backpack to transport on bus? < 1250202451 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, bus with wheels, not system bus < 1250202465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can carry with one hand effortlessly. < 1250202475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should say "ultraportable" < 1250202483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, anything under like 5kg is "portable" in your sense < 1250202505 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can carry with one hand holding your hand around the lower edge with the laptop between yourself and your arm? < 1250202531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the X200, I believe you can carry it just holding on to the little bulging bit of the 9-cell battery. < 1250202543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, let's put it this way < 1250202547 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sounds dangerous < 1250202553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the 4-cell (= 3hr) battery, it weighs less than the MacBook Air. < 1250202565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.02kg less, admittedly, but still less. < 1250202602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it packs the same pixels in just a 1.2" smaller display, DOESN'T have soldered RAM, has a replaceable battery, has a 2.4GHz/2.5GHz CPU...) < 1250202606 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 0.02 kg might be what a pc-express wlan card weighs < 1250202609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it loses on thinkness < 1250202609 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1250202617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: I wouldn't carry it with just a 3 hour battery < 1250202640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: Anyway, I don't need WPA. < 1250202646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just make my network WEP, no big shakes. < 1250202649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until it's fixed < 1250202657 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well haven't tried WEP, some said it helped < 1250202660 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :others said it didn't < 1250202665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder whether I should do whole disk encryption < 1250202666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw < 1250202671 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw it seems to be worse after a suspend to disk or ram < 1250202675 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than from a cold boot < 1250202677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setting a password + using linux will defeat anyone stupid enough to steal a laptop < 1250202678 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wlan issues I mean < 1250202692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: oh well < 1250202698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can make it unprotected too :P < 1250202712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much battery does yours get? < 1250202716 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I meant, some said that was an issue too < 1250202746 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as I said above. ~4.5 hours on a 75% -> 15% uncharge < 1250202752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's with the 9-cell battery isn't it < 1250202763 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nop, opted for battery not sticking out < 1250202767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1250202784 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and decided to get extra battery in ultrabay if I needed it < 1250202788 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I haven't yet < 1250202796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultrabay costs £100 :( < 1250202818 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :battery for it? < 1250202821 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean < 1250202822 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1250202823 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1250202825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ultrabay itself < 1250202828 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1250202831 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is built in < 1250202832 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1250202837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comes with it? < 1250202838 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is where you place the cd drive < 1250202839 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1250202848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oh < 1250202851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant < 1250202852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultraBASE < 1250202855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which costs £100 from lenovo < 1250202857 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hah < 1250202862 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no docking station no < 1250202871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, piccy of x200: http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/34779.jpg (the right one), closed: http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/34765.jpg (the top one) < 1250202877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how it looks when closed < 1250202896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/thinkpad_x200_02.jpg sticky outy 9-cell battery-y) < 1250202904 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for browser to load < 1250202915 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes a bit while installing an OS in vmware at the same time < 1250202924 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and three rows of saved tabs to load < 1250202937 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1250202956 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i love how it looks when closed <-- ? < 1250202966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:34] ehird: incidentally, piccy of x200: http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/34779.jpg (the right one), closed: http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/34765.jpg (the top one) < 1250202971 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1250202973 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why I mean < 1250202984 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250202997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like... a slab < 1250203004 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, on the open one, what is the thing above the screen < 1250203017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the screen bezel? < 1250203024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has the camera and microphone and I suppose those are the speakers < 1250203028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or the speakers are under the keyboard < 1250203041 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have the diagonal pattern thing above too < 1250203045 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just design < 1250203050 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speakers on side of keyboard < 1250203051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what was your question < 1250203057 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the camera thingy < 1250203060 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine lacks that < 1250203069 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so had no clue what it was < 1250203084 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and well the diagonal thing could be spakers < 1250203087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: no chance of getting speakers on the side of the keyboard; it's the whole width and about 28cm wide < 1250203092 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there is nothing on the side of the keyboard there < 1250203092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, yes, probably. < 1250203098 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, built in speakers = crap < 1250203103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I've heard. < 1250203117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably get a usb headset when I need it. < 1250203119 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, really crap. Even a non-music lover can hear it < 1250203125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, laptops tend to be < 1250203130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine for system sounds, though. :P < 1250203149 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, about slab: it looks like a closed non-mac laptop. ;P < 1250203150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: btw, the thing in between the two red trackpoint buttons < 1250203155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a scrollwheel or what? < 1250203168 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, middle mouse button < 1250203185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, no it doesn't! < 1250203188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them have a curve < 1250203200 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, iirc windows drivers maps it to "scroll with trackpoint" < 1250203202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just a rectangle slab of rubbery plastic < 1250203205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...well, with a bit of a bulge. < 1250203206 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if linux can < 1250203210 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw something about it < 1250203212 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tried < 1250203213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the 9-cell < 1250203220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: so no physical scrollwheel? < 1250203231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up/down keys aren't fine-grained enough, make me dizzy :( < 1250203239 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I use the edge areas of the touchpad to scroll with < 1250203247 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything else: the trackpoint < 1250203250 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I have a mouse connected < 1250203251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just do that with my INVISIBLE TOUCHPAD < 1250203251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1250203268 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway you might be able to map it to scroll with trackpoint < 1250203275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems a bit of a pain < 1250203276 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw something on thinkwiki about it < 1250203286 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1250203291 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that used xorg.conf < 1250203292 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not hal < 1250203295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1250203296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll get used to it < 1250203304 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need to figure out the right XML file to edit to tell ubuntu about it < 1250203310 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it uses hal for X config < 1250203314 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes hal uses XML < 1250203318 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hate hal yet? < 1250203324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it uses xml. < 1250203328 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh and gconf uses xml too < 1250203331 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that!? < 1250203332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i know. < 1250203336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care, they're serialisation formats < 1250203344 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you forgot a t there < 1250203345 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1250203354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, XML is a metaformat. < 1250203356 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and added an "a" too much) < 1250203368 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sterilisation formats :P < 1250203372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i'm explicitly trying to avoid plugging in a mouse etc because i don't want to discourage myself from taking advantage of its portability; I'm paying extra for it after all :P < 1250203378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: >_< < 1250203403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of sterilisation, I wonder how they managed to cool a Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz without getting hot on your lap < 1250203418 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, desktop it stands on gets luke warm for me < 1250203422 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is 2.66 GHz < 1250203433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm going for the 2.5GHz < 1250203436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're identical apart from max speed < 1250203444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I doubt I'll be supercomputing on my lap < 1250203444 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at around 50 C < 1250203450 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fan running on mid < 1250203457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: the X200's CPU idles at 31 C iirc < 1250203463 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this isn't idle < 1250203471 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine idles at around 30-35 C too < 1250203472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, whatever < 1250203478 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 for one core, 35 for the other < 1250203479 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1250203479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a new fan design thingy < 1250203483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also uber-quiet < 1250203486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe yours has it too < 1250203490 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the fan is quite quiet < 1250203492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: 35 is high < 1250203506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :31 is comfortable, I'd say; I doubt anything above that is < 1250203508 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well.. that isn't completely unloaded I guess < 1250203512 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1250203519 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notebook < 1250203521 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1250203522 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptop < 1250203526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reports on the X200 say that the fan is almost completely inaudible < 1250203526 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that < 1250203533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: I'm saying laptop on purpose because the X200 CAN go on your lap < 1250203541 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : reports on the X200 say that the fan is almost completely inaudible <-- same here < 1250203546 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I put the ear against it < 1250203553 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or manually spin it up to full speed < 1250203555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :28cm wide, 1.6kg, very cool < 1250203563 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never hits more than half of full at even full load < 1250203570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to try hard to make it not work on your lap < 1250203583 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1250203598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :justifying saying "laptop" wrt X200 < 1250203618 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sterilisation ;P < 1250203628 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sterilisation top < 1250203630 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1250203640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple reviews have pointed out that it runs very cool, so < 1250203649 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is the radiation too < 1250203652 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as head < 1250203654 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heat* < 1250203664 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw gnome kind of sucks according to powertop < 1250203668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the WiFi radiation will kill me if I don't put on my tinfoil hat. < 1250203673 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of wakeups from various gnome processes < 1250203706 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as the gnome power manager < 1250203712 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gnome mixer < 1250203722 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other ones < 1250203724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :care to clarify radiation? < 1250203735 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, wifi mostly < 1250203743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, you believe that crap? < 1250203752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sir are crazy < 1250203766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you don't have a mobile phone either < 1250203773 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I prefer to err on the safe side < 1250203790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: I assume you believe in god then? Pascal's Wager. < 1250203800 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hum? *googles* < 1250203808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact is that there is NO scientific base for WiFi being any more dangerous than radiation we're bombarded with every day from various sources. < 1250203815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is universally pedalled only by complete kooks. < 1250203832 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250203930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you avoid "WiFi radiation", you're just an idiot. < 1250204016 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :radiation :x < 1250204041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in the country, where there is no radiation whatsoever! < 1250204128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.quantzgame.com/ ;; game written in Gambit Scheme < 1250204151 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe portable Faraday cages around sensitive areas? Wait you could make something like a mesh out of tinfoil right? < 1250204175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: you're surely joking. < 1250204182 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1250204195 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have been completely clear < 1250204350 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1250204366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: anyway you don't seriously believe that crap do you < 1250204544 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I do know that computers send out more or less radiation. And even if it is no more than the background level it is still in *addition* to the already existing background level. If it is significant or not I have no idea about. < 1250204559 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"probably not" is what I think < 1250204561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make baby jesus cry. < 1250204569 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I do prefer to err on the safe side < 1250204574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know, by the way, that sound makes your brain melt? < 1250204577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it adds sound to the background sound < 1250204579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some sounds are dangerous < 1250204584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so therefore < 1250204587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we must be careful < 1250204589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not play any music < 1250204603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might not make your brain melt, might just make you deaf < 1250204604 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: PFFFT < 1250204606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean some sounds do that right < 1250204614 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting www.qwantzgame.com to be some awesome Dinosaur-Comics-related game. < 1250204616 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But noooooooooo < 1250204616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is IN ADDITION to the already existing background level < 1250204620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN CONCLUSION < 1250204622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we must never listen to music < 1250204624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right anm_ub? < 1250204631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Nooo, it's just squatted? < 1250204657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1250204660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even registered < 1250204665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: so, uh, wut? < 1250204689 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well that is a complex matter, like it is for radiation. One aspect to consider is if interference cause the result to amplify or if they take each other out. For example < 1250204689 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but quantz was so close it made me read "qwantz" and type that instead, then realize my mistake but go "gee, maybe there's a qwantz game" < 1250204690 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1250204710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: oh that ha < 1250204734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: your jokes cannot dispel the fact that avoiding radiation because some radiation is harmful is exactly as stupid as avoiding sound because some sound is harmful < 1250204738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, more silly < 1250204748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while research has not been done on the subject "do regular amounts of sound make you deaf?", < 1250204753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :research HAS been done on wifi and similar < 1250204757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the conclusion: bunk < 1250204788 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yet there are those over-sensitive to electricity. < 1250204798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1250204801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you believe those loonies? < 1250204804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are fucking insane < 1250204810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're DELUSIONAL < 1250204814 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I know someone who is < 1250204819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHA < 1250204823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they aren't < 1250204875 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, iirc there is no conclusive proof either way for that < 1250204893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no conclusive proof for gravity, or russell's teapot not existing < 1250205000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you make fun of religion. < 1250205046 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she took part in a scientific study of it a few years ago. where they carried in a box that either contained a powered on electric device (a resistor connected to a 12 V setup iirc, don't remember details), or an equal weight in it. And she managed to detect it 100% of the time iirc. < 1250205059 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she was told after the study was complete < 1250205062 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and published < 1250205122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you say anm_ub. < 1250205307 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well. I also remember that study showed that some of the people who claimed this sort of hypersensitivity was able to detect it a statistical significant percentage of the time. However quite a lot more claimed to have the issue than those who were able to "prove" they had it. So I guess there could be those who are delusional, and those who actually are hypersensitive < 1250205318 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1250205326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're assuming the study was scientifically valid < 1250205342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're assuming its results can be attributed to "electricity sensitivity" instead of a side-channel effect < 1250205342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1250205370 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they did lots of attempts to avoid that, by not having the person bringing in the box know what was in it and so on < 1250205380 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the "equal weight" thingy < 1250205385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your source for this study is the delusional person < 1250205388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i don't trust them. < 1250205417 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nop, I read the paper it was published in. < 1250205427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but all the facts beyond that < 1250205439 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have it around any more but let me try to remember the name of it < 1250205446 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some american one < 1250205505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling it seems that electrical sensitivity may have some scientific basis < 1250205506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: HOWEVER < 1250205513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WiFi radiation as harmful has been debunked a million times. < 1250205518 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is true < 1250205530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is plenty much more powerful radiation around us that does nothing, and nobody has ever gotten ill from WiFi. < 1250205542 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I would still not use a laptop on my lap, even if idle temp is low, it can get loaded easily < 1250205567 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and don't remember the name of the journal it was published in, sorry < 1250205580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it be terrible if suddenly my lap got ridiculously hot without me noticing! < 1250205588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds plausible < 1250205610 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well it is your sperms :P < 1250205626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you have never had a warm bath either < 1250205651 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly wants to sing that Monty Python(?) "every sperm is sacred..." < 1250205668 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't have a bathtub :/, only a shower < 1250205684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad has a separate shower thing < 1250205691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much cooler than a shower+bath i think < 1250205706 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is a outdoors public bath thingy. tends to be very cold < 1250205713 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, swimming thing < 1250205721 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 meters x 25 meters < 1250205725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : You mean the sauna? < 1250205730 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, haha < 1250205734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, I wish they were hotter. < 1250205764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh I love acme(1) < 1250205775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses pointer warping so well < 1250205783 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1250205799 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why virtualbox uses a different hinting style than everything else < 1250205803 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems more blurry < 1250205807 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in it's menus < 1250205811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: Java < 1250205814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't do subpixel < 1250205826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get grayscale pixels < 1250205829 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm I turned off subpixel, because I couldn't stand it < 1250205831 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not that < 1250205839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that high dpi? < 1250205840 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I use "greyscale best shape" < 1250205843 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yep < 1250205856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wifi radiation, almost-invisible subpixel... < 1250205860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sure are crazy < 1250205883 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, it wasn't too bad in itself. but it wasn't as crisp as I like it < 1250205896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you don't read bokos < 1250205898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*books < 1250205901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have crisp text either < 1250205905 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are crisp < 1250205914 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1250205919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they're not < 1250205919 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a bit blurry anyway < 1250205922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have no hinting at all < 1250205923 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and colour bleed < 1250205930 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed. but they have sharp edges < 1250205934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at >120dpi, no < 1250205950 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um, not new ones indeed < 1250205952 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant old ones < 1250205959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1250205960 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set with moving type < 1250205964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking about displays and colour bleed < 1250205965 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in pre 1970 or so < 1250205971 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I was talking about books < 1250205979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at ~175dpi, it's impossible to distinguish two pixels without a magnifying glass < 1250205995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at ~120dpi, it's almost certainly very very hard to distinguish two subpixels unless you have really good eyes < 1250205996 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1250206003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really really REALLY really really good eyes < 1250206027 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy *fuck* man. < 1250206027 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I didn't see the subpixels. but I did see that it was blurrier < 1250206048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: again, at such a high dpi it will look almost identical to books < 1250206050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's been a local privelege escalation exploit in Linux since Linux 2.4.4. < 1250206054 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nop < 1250206057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: old, vmsplice < 1250206064 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: To present. < 1250206065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: no, yes < 1250206068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: placebo < 1250206071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh, wow < 1250206071 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, vmsplice was different < 1250206073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what is it? < 1250206076 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, link < 1250206076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/fulldisclosure/2009-08/0174.html < 1250206095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gawps < 1250206098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only patched today < 1250206103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mapping to NULL and jumping to it. < 1250206107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I wonder if I have any ssh accounts lying around... < 1250206110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1250206110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It executes in kernel space. < 1250206111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles < 1250206114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA < 1250206128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SHALL BRING INFINITE HAVOC < 1250206145 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so turn off inet6 < 1250206151 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ip4 seems unaffected < 1250206159 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so temp workaround is use ipv4 only= < 1250206159 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1250206163 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until they fix it < 1250206174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It effects more protocols than IP6. < 1250206183 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PF_INET6 (with IPPROTO_SCTP) <-- I don't yet use SCTP either, planned but not yet < 1250206194 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bluetooth? hm bad < 1250206288 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amusingly, the mmap_min_addr (which was the previous source of a security flaw) feature can be used to prevent this. < 1250206297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2.6.30 only) < 1250206340 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sysctl vm.mmap_min_addr < 1250206340 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vm.mmap_min_addr = 65536 < 1250206345 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.6.27 kernel < 1250206348 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu stock < 1250206366 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1250206369 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.28 < 1250206372 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry typoed < 1250206382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, every Linux shell account hoster is going to die a horrible death. < 1250206395 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. Older than 2.6.30. < 1250206407 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes it is < 1250206420 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, Gentoo is by default secure against it. < 1250206424 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but ubuntu backported it < 1250206428 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, :) < 1250206430 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vm.mmap_min_addr = 4096 < 1250206440 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO FIRST PAGE FOR YOU. < 1250206446 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ubuntu still backported the mmap bit I think < 1250206450 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1250206486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUN FACT: NULL IS A LIE < 1250206516 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how insensitive < 1250206570 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can never finish solitaire these days, i get tired of it's boringness halfway through < 1250206592 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now i currently don't have any interest in games < 1250206611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: minesweeper < 1250206615 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presently at the moment, that is < 1250206629 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i can't play minesweeper either < 1250206634 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, chess? < 1250206643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess is trivial < 1250206668 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not against a a good chess program set at hardest level < 1250206668 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not, i can't focus on it long enough to win against anyone < 1250206715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: nope < 1250206719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do what a chess program does < 1250206722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're allowed paper right? < 1250206726 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no < 1250206732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are in my rules. < 1250206734 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: don't you suck at chess though? < 1250206738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1250206745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm playing humanly < 1250206754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i could, if i wanted, play like a chess algo < 1250206756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to an okay depth < 1250206768 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"okay depth"? < 1250206785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, 1000x worse than chess progs < 1250206795 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything resembling a decent player would be impossible to do that way < 1250206805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people aren't decent < 1250206844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: anyway, with paper i could do like 100x worse < 1250206848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even 10x worse < 1250206850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd just be slow < 1250206856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the fact is that the actual playing isn't algorithmically hard < 1250206859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to, say, Go < 1250206862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Arimaa < 1250206866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you can't just memorise an algo < 1250206868 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so slow that that's a ridiculous thing to even hypothesize < 1250206877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the purity i'm on about < 1250206881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you like purity don't you? < 1250206889 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i adore it! < 1250206890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's a chess algorithm that kicks serious ass, it's not worth playing < 1250206899 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PURE POWER < 1250206900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you just want to masturbate your mind < 1250206911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with go/arimaa, you're actually actively doing something only you can currently do < 1250206920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to a human being able to consider 1000x more than you and come out on top < 1250206925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a purer game, intellectually < 1250206927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore more worth playing < 1250206980 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not disagree < 1250207077 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway i was thinking i'd start my uni year by taking a random course on the first exam day, and fiving it, but that's no longer possible :| < 1250207102 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm switching to math, and those bastards have tons of mandatory homework on every course < 1250207112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i just invented the best game ever < 1250207118 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M NOT INTERESTED < 1250207129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you are! it's mathematically pure and also useless < 1250207142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dots_and_Boxes, with continuous space instead of discrete dot-space, and infinite-dimensional. < 1250207143 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M SLIGHTLY INTERESTED < 1250207159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :props to anyone who can make that into something even vaguely mathematically formulated < 1250207163 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a general topological space < 1250207177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that < 1250207182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds confusing and fun < 1250207186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be good < 1250207224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: unfortunately i think dots and boxes is inherently easy for an ai < 1250207269 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howsat < 1250207289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: well i mean the perfect strategy is trivial < 1250207298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think making space continuous changes it < 1250207303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and infinite-dimensional is prolly generalisable < 1250207306 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the perfect strategy? < 1250207312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm wp has it < 1250207319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1250207323 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "the winner ends when no more lines can be placed" + infinite gird? < 1250207331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: did i say infinite grid < 1250207340 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no < 1250207340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said infinite dimensional < 1250207341 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1250207344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 2D, 3D, infinityD < 1250207349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and continuous space < 1250207351 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, right < 1250207353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := (real,real) not (int,int) < 1250207361 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :effect is the same then right < 1250207369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1250207377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very different < 1250207378 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can place it at any place if it is (real,real)? < 1250207422 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, every game lasts for an uncountable amount of turns < 1250207434 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you determine your strategy, and the limit is taken, < 1250207446 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you calculate the areas < 1250207452 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an awesome game < 1250207486 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ehird, no, it doesn't say anything about a perfect strategy < 1250207491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm well okay < 1250207498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i like how you extrapolated what i said :D < 1250207499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: yes < 1250207515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only squares are ok though < 1250207518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can do fractals! < 1250207521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boxes in boxes in boxes < 1250207530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not "squares" < 1250207531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squares are 2d < 1250207539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinityD hypercubes < 1250207730 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250207754 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1250207874 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so the games end when you can't place anything else < 1250207878 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems it will never end then < 1250207890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:50] oklofok: yes, every game lasts for an uncountable amount of turns < 1250207891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:50] oklofok: basically you determine your strategy, and the limit is taken, < 1250207891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:50] oklofok: and then you calculate the areas < 1250207900 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1250207901 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1250207962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: so is a move a mathematical expression or something