00:05:10 I wish that everyone had an ansible. 00:05:33 Thereby solving all communication lag issues and most connectivity issues. 00:09:42 indeed 00:09:54 would still be bandwidth issues 00:32:37 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 00:39:46 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 00:39:52 [23:43] FireFly: That hurt like pain 00:39:52 :D 00:40:14 coppro: if you have 0 latency you have infinite bandwidth 00:40:20 just send a bunch of packets at once 00:40:36 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 00:40:58 the ansible doesn't provide 0 latency, it just provides instant communication 00:41:02 over a distance 00:41:27 so you mean 00:41:28 0 latency. 00:41:40 there's a limit to how much can be transmitted at once 00:43:29 well, true 00:43:42 Sure, but you still have 0 latency. 00:44:12 (modulo the latency of the computers on each end of the ansible connection) 00:54:17 you might get latency from a bottleneck 00:54:46 that is, after all, where most network latency comes from 00:55:49 coppro: I have a fucking satellite Internet connection. 00:55:51 Lies. 00:56:02 where do you live? 00:56:43 Missouri. 00:57:11 hrm 00:57:18 wrong channel 00:57:36 indeed, missouri is strictly banned here 01:00:38 yes 01:00:41 lol 01:00:59 pikhq: you should invest in 3g mobile broadband, or do they not have that in the us of a 01:02:27 ehird: You realise that they charge something like $5 per megabyte here, right? 01:02:36 pikhq: what, you can't get a metered bandwidth contract? 01:02:47 well, i heard something about 2 MEGABYTES costing $15 01:02:51 per month 01:03:03 here, it's 15GB for £15/mo 01:03:07 They do, if you're willing to pay enough. 01:03:09 It's not quite that expensive :P 01:03:11 Plus, they do have unmetered. 01:03:12 The US is truly an internet backwater. 01:03:17 then £0.10/MB over that 01:03:27 GregorR-L: we have an unmetered plan for like £40 01:03:34 but 3g is too slow to torrent anyway 01:03:37 and youtube videos aren't very big 01:03:55 I... Don't think you can get Internet access for $15 here. 01:04:02 Even dialup ISPs cost a bit more than that. 01:04:13 it's $25 01:04:38 Yeah, broadband costs more than that. 01:04:52 pikhq: for £10/mo ($16.51), you can get a 1GB/mo plan 01:04:58 so I guess the UK is actually pretty good for 3G broadband 01:05:13 Yeah, nowhere near that little. 01:05:38 ehird: Ah, but in this glorious capitalist worker's paradise, the invisible hand of the free market takes care of all! 01:05:42 apparently if you buy a paid-monthly mobile phone it's 25% off the broadband 01:05:50 pikhq: i like how they can't even get the free market right 01:06:09 "The totally free market that BREAKS HORRIBLY if you mess with it in any way will be fine! We just have to manipulate it." 01:06:23 (not that it works even if you don't tinker with it) 01:06:43 ehird: Keep in mind that we have a lot of people in favor of removing all regulation on markets. 01:07:02 ... Even Adam Smith didn't want that. 01:07:18 might be good for your country, dropping out of the world economy and all 01:07:21 More capitalist than Adam Smith -- now that's just crazy. 01:07:43 don't call it capitalism 01:07:57 it doesn't produce a functioning market of trade 01:08:01 so it's not capitalism 01:08:29 Fine, fine. I'll call it corporate feudalism. 01:47:44 ECONOMISTS! 01:47:53 What of them? 01:47:59 They are economical, duh. 01:50:56 -!- Halph has joined. 01:51:43 Halph: too clever by halph 01:51:47 wait oerjan said that last time 01:52:09 -!- coppro has quit (Nick collision from services.). 01:52:20 -!- Halph has changed nick to coppro. 02:09:43 -!- Sgeo has joined. 02:42:17 Dammit, I got reminded of Salad Fingers again. 02:42:26 And here I was, thinking I'd sleep tonight. 02:42:36 :D 02:42:42 Salad Fingers isn't that creepy 02:43:49 ... Something is wrong with you. 02:44:20 that is true 02:50:22 Lesbians! 02:51:48 Something happened a few years ago that makes me uninterested in girls kissing.. for a time at least 02:53:08 Two girls one cup? :P 02:53:34 No 02:53:42 That actually didn't have much of an effect on me 02:53:42 No, his girlfriend left him *UNCONTROLLABLE SOBBING* 02:53:52 I saw a girl I liked kiss another girl 02:54:01 That was my first guess 02:54:07 but I thought it was too cheesy and retarded even for you. 02:54:15 Sgeo: She could be bi you know, you can still fan the flames :P 02:54:47 GregorR-L, a) That was a while ago. b) I assumed she was in a relationship >.> 02:55:10 flame the fans 02:55:15 She could also be polyamorous. 02:55:29 (note: if she's bi and polyamorous there's a good chance she's just a slut) 02:55:59 Let's go ahead and not assume that >_> 02:56:04 tetramorous. she insists on having exactly four lovers at all times. 02:56:21 GregorR-L: Whyever not? 02:56:25 oerjan: Two male, two female? :P 02:56:36 most likely 02:57:08 ehird: A) Presumably Sgeo doesn't want to be one of twelve guys, B) argh stereotypes :P 02:57:24 GregorR-L: Is your B referring to your A? Pretty sure it is. 02:57:38 Again, this was a while ago >.> 02:58:13 Sgeo: Well, apparently it's ruined your intrinsic male lesbian lust even now, so time means nothing :P 02:58:47 I think I'm recovering it >.> 02:59:23 Anyway, I said "Lesbians!" because I was quoting http://lonelydino.com/?id=13 :P 03:00:30 Sgeo: >.> 03:00:37 Ah, Lonely Dino. 03:01:05 There is no idea so silly that Gregor won't get a domain for it, is there? 03:01:13 THERE IS NONE 03:01:20 Also the name of the comic is T-Rex is Lonely 03:01:36 hey, #3 only has two frames 03:01:58 They can have 2 or 3 frames, so long as they're from the set {1,2,5} 03:02:05 Erm, {1,2,6} 03:02:31 Or even one frame? 03:02:39 (that would have to be an awesome frame out of context) 03:02:49 The software will allow one frame, but I doubt any would be funny enough for me to post. 03:03:01 Actually, the software works fine with zero frames :P 03:03:18 That would have to be an *epic* lack-of-frame. 03:04:00 lol @ today's dinosaur comic 03:04:20 well, yesterdays' 03:04:23 *yesterday's 03:04:23 There are easily enough variables involved in girlfriend. 03:05:44 we should make a language 03:06:16 We do that http://esolangs.org/ :P 03:06:20 i'm sorry, no language in this channel. strictly forbidden. 03:06:24 We tried to make a conlang but turns out we SUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK 03:06:57 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 03:07:01 ehird: ekbu snaffelfy scramboo smibbletkw 03:07:08 your mom 03:07:17 -!- pikhq has joined. 03:07:34 ("your mom" is, by no coincidence, a valid and meaningful phrase in said conlang, and does not have the same meaning as the English phrase "your mom") 03:07:36 ... And all the connections dropped at once. 03:08:37 Why are you talking of conlang here 03:08:40 This isn't Isharia 03:08:59 Isharia is about gay sex, not conlangs. 03:09:05 Incidentally, so is this channel. 03:09:08 So is here 03:09:10 Yeah 03:09:11 Hey augur 03:09:13 :P 03:09:17 Want to havve gay sex? 03:09:24 -ur being a nominative suffix and -m present tense 03:09:24 no 03:10:30 GregorR-L: re: your mom thing, http://kisa.ca/oou.html 03:10:34 I am disappoint 03:11:15 yo- is the second person pronoun. mo- indicates a sorptive action. 03:11:48 dawg is a superlative. 03:12:52 indeed, using the superlative infix -w- 03:12:59 -!- Pthing has quit ("Leaving"). 03:13:11 -!- Pthing has joined. 03:16:00 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 03:25:13 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 03:25:29 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 03:25:52 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 03:26:35 ehird: Wow, you can say EVERYTHING with that. 03:26:43 GregorR-L: I know :D 03:26:58 It's great. 03:29:29 * Sgeo doesn't understand IPA stuff 03:31:10 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:38:46 Sgeo: nor I. 03:43:32 sgeo 03:43:33 ehird 03:43:45 ipa is pretty simple 03:43:58 So "your mom" means "you absorb"? 03:44:08 Presumably, "mom your" means the same thing. 03:44:09 there are three conceptual dimensions to the main part of the IPA 03:44:56 GregorR-L: are you talking about an actual conlang? 03:45:09 place of articulation, manner, and voicing 03:46:52 place of articulation is where in the mouth the distortion/constriction occurs 03:47:02 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 03:47:28 -!- pikhq has joined. 03:47:28 manner is what sort of distortion/constriction 03:47:35 and voicing is whether or not your vocal cords are vibrating 03:48:28 Ooh, can I talk about phonetics? 03:49:07 no 03:49:21 so for example, for place of articulation 03:49:26 augur: i don't know any of those things 03:49:28 and can't control them. 03:49:28 consider b or p 03:49:38 to make those sounds, you press your lips together 03:49:58 making b and p a "bilabial", which is the place of articulation 03:50:23 compare that to d and t, where you place the front of your tongue flat against the alveolar ridge behind your teeth 03:50:50 this is an alveolar place of articulation 03:52:01 or consider k and g 03:52:18 where you press the back of your tongue against the back roof of your mouth, in front of your uvula 03:52:26 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 03:52:35 http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q1/MiffTheFox/GreatCodePyramids.png THIS CODE OH MY GOD 03:52:37 this is the velum, and so this kind of place of articulation is velar 03:53:18 SHUT UP AUGUR 03:53:29 ehird: no im teaching you IPA 03:53:33 nooooooooooooooooooooooo 03:53:53 so b/p, d/t, and g/k different from one another in their place of articulation 03:54:00 bilabial, alveolar, and velar 03:54:10 there are a whole bunch of other POAs as well 03:54:25 here we can also see aspects of voicing 03:54:41 b and p different only in whether or not your vocal cords are vibrating when making the sound 03:54:46 same with d/t and g/k 03:55:02 b, d, and g are voiced, while p, t, and k are voiceless 03:55:29 all of these sounds also involve completely stopping air 03:55:48 so when you make a p or a g, air doesnt flow through your mouth until you open the constriction again 03:56:02 compare this to f and v, where air does flow 03:56:10 or s and z 03:56:27 this differentiations manner/degree of stricture 03:56:39 f, v, s, and z arent full closures 03:57:12 instead, they're only partially closed, and the closeness happens to make them produce white-noise-like sound like something dragging over the floor 03:57:16 so theyre called fricatives 03:57:19 like friction 03:57:26 which also produces that kind of noise 03:57:45 < augur> ehird: no im teaching you IPA 03:57:49 s and t are both voiceless alveolars, but they different in that s is a fricative while t is a stop/plosive 03:57:51 I think you're actually teaching him phonetics. 03:57:58 warrigal_: sort of! 03:58:02 theyre both intimately connected 03:58:02 no, he's not 03:58:04 given that 03:58:06 because i'm not listening, see 03:58:11 IPA = international PHONETIC alphabet 03:58:11 :) 03:58:27 im currently just outlining the three major dimensions of the segmental part of the IPA 03:58:49 About as intimately connected as mathematical notation and math are intimately connected. Which is pretty intimately. 03:59:04 indeed! 03:59:13 hence why i have to explain some phonetics to explain the IPA 03:59:40 so those three aspects form the three main axes of the IPA segment chart 04:00:52 and the main combinations of these three properties, Voicing+POA+Manner, get letter symbols 04:01:57 another common set of symbols are the nasals, which are essentially just stops where the soft palate is lowered, so that air can escape through it 04:02:11 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 04:02:12 so b and m differ only in that m has a lowered soft palate, allowing air through the nasal canal 04:02:17 while b doesnt 04:02:27 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 04:02:38 because these are also fairly common, they get their own symbols 04:03:03 there are some other symbols for things like clicks as well, and implosives (which have air flowing in the opposite direction) 04:03:11 but these are much fewer in number 04:03:32 -!- coppro has quit ("The only thing I know is that I know nothing"). 04:03:58 aside from the "segmental" symbols, which ive described, there are also a whole slew of diacritics that modify aspects of the base symbol's description 04:03:59 for instance 04:04:38 p is a Voiceless Bilabial Plosive, but you can add a diacritic to it that makes it a Voiced Bilabial Plosive 04:04:43 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:05:07 ofcourse, the voiced bilabial plosive already has a symbol of its own, namely "b", but even so, p + that diacritic denotes the same sound 04:06:07 the rest of the diacritics serve much the same purpose, adding certain denotational semantics 04:06:50 using p again, p is unaspirated, meaning that if it were followed by a vowel, the vowel's articulation would have full voicing 04:06:58 fucking SHUT UP augur 04:07:18 but if it were aspirated, where the vowels beginning is unvoiced due to a puff of air from the p, you can put a superscript h "diacritic" to indicate this 04:08:10 the specifics of the segments and the diacritics you'd just learn by practice, but those are the general ideas behind it 04:08:26 augur 04:08:27 so there you go, ehird and sgeo 04:08:28 s h u t 04:08:29 u p 04:08:34 THANK YOU 04:08:37 now you understand (the principles behind) ipa 04:08:38 :D 04:08:44 no i don't 04:08:49 why do you think that 04:08:58 because you're a smart boy 04:09:38 so? 04:09:42 i didn't read what you said. 04:10:40 but if you did! 04:11:27 * Sgeo should be using timeit or something when he does Project Euler stuff 04:12:14 -!- pikhq has joined. 04:13:19 -!- coppro has joined. 04:16:14 Ok, not killing this shell would be cheating at this point 04:20:08 wat 04:20:39 Project Euler solution attempt that took well over a minute 04:21:26 Sgeo: I prefer computer science competition questions, myself 04:26:27 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:29:18 -!- Asztal has joined. 04:43:34 -!- Asztal has quit ("."). 04:50:03 GregorR-L: http://codu.org/imgs/dinosaurComic.php?panels=1,2,5&comics=1356,1355,1356&strip 04:50:36 That was weird and confusing :P 04:51:30 GregorR-L: The one in the middle was made by Randall Munroe and is, I think, the only strip to have a totally different panel. 04:51:35 I know. 04:51:42 But no, other guest strips do :P 04:51:46 Anyway, the second panel was the past one hundred years. 04:51:53 I figured that out. 04:51:55 It's a very infinite kind of one hundred years. :P 04:51:56 uh 04:52:06 he doesnt actually get closer to telling it, zeno style 04:52:18 yes 04:52:19 he does. 04:52:21 no 04:52:22 he doesnt 04:52:34 the inner cells are not 1/2 of the way closer to the end of the story 04:52:36 augur I think xkcd has a math degree or something, so shut up. 04:52:40 also, yes they are 04:52:44 no theyre not 04:52:48 theyre just the outer cells 04:52:52 copied and smaller 04:52:53 you're a poop 04:52:59 its true! 04:53:13 i get the joke and all 04:53:14 but 04:53:18 it falls apart on closer inspection! 04:53:29 it does not 04:53:55 it does too! :| 04:54:22 this is not zeno like at all 04:54:34 if anything, its a fractal 04:54:38 which is not at all zenotic. 04:54:51 and its very hofstadterian as well 04:54:55 fuck off augur 04:55:10 with his GOD Over Djinn idea 04:55:46 So yeah, how 'bout that sports team. 04:55:57 GregorR-L: do you think mine counts as lonely dino 04:56:07 there is only one character in the second panel 04:56:13 and that character is a dinosaur comics strip 04:56:16 which is sorta like the spirit of t-rex 04:56:32 also inanimate, so it's okay 04:56:35 GregorR-L: The Sportland Sports? 04:56:35 clearly 04:56:44 (the guy to the right is just t-rex hallucinating) 04:57:00 ehird: Maybe, but I set up the software on lonelydino.com to disallow that so I wouldn't be tempted ... I'd have to change how it works to make that work :P 04:57:08 Also, http://codu.org/imgs/dinosaurComic.php?panels=0,1&comics=518,467 hyuk hyuk 04:57:13 YOU NEED TO TRUST YOURSELF MORE :P 04:57:13 (That one came up randomly) 04:57:45 http://codu.org/imgs/dinosaurComic.php?panels=0,1&comics=579,250 04:58:03 For instance, sex changes. 05:03:10 -!- Pthing has quit ("Leaving"). 05:03:26 -!- Pthing has joined. 05:05:45 [[But you're real problem is that you think of the singular `Linux'. Linux isn't even most of the system, GNU has the largest share, and many other apps. A more accurate name is `GNU/Linux/X11/TeX/Perl/Python...'. (GNU usually the largest contignet, generally is 15-25% of the system, the Linux kernel only 1.5-3%)]] 05:05:45 This comment would make me want to stab someone anywhere, but especially so in the comments of a joking comic. 05:05:46 Stab. 05:07:42 I'll call it GNU/Linux when Linus does 05:07:55 Linus is totally awesome 05:08:09 except for his opinion towards C++, yes 05:08:11 one of the few top-level foss guys that isn't completely retarded 05:08:14 coppro: uhh, what 05:08:16 he hates C++ 05:08:19 yes 05:08:22 ... 05:08:25 ... 05:08:26 which is fine 05:08:26 coppro: you are not welcome here. 05:08:31 more importantly, he refuses to use it 05:08:33 lament: hey, good timing 05:08:35 we need some bannination. 05:08:39 ... And you approve of the clusterfuck called C++? 05:08:40 lol 05:08:47 this is not a lolling matter 05:08:50 this is a lobotomy matter 05:08:51 it's obviously not enough to ban him from the channel 05:09:06 lament: right, that's when he says "I use C++ for most of my programs" 05:09:16 we should perhaps communicate with ICANN and get him banned from the Internet 05:09:17 C++ is not a clusterfuck; it's THE clusterfuck 05:09:23 lament: absolutely 05:09:49 lament: wait, he'll still be able to access a c++ compiler 05:09:59 let's contact the CIA 05:10:04 good idea 05:10:20 if, after ten years without a computer, he still likes C++, we'll have to... euthanise... this poor soul 05:11:38 lol 05:11:43 I never said I liked C++ 05:12:01 I like it the way I like Perl 05:12:01 i can think of no other explanation 05:12:08 unacceptable 05:12:15 there are situations where using perl is okay 05:12:20 you cannot apply this to c++ :P 05:12:21 that is, I absolutely detest it, except when I try to do something with another language 05:12:40 I think you need to learn more languages. 05:12:46 coppro: seriously? 05:12:52 you might just be a bad programmer. 05:12:54 If you simply must do C with objects, go for Objective C. 05:12:55 ehird: no, not really. 05:13:00 It is C with objects. 05:13:04 no, you can't comment on that yourself 05:13:07 And that's it. 05:13:18 (well, it's C with the Smalltalk object system.) 05:13:28 as a programmer that's not really that bad in others' estimation, i decree you a bad programmer if you can't work with any language that isn't a ball of shit and mud 05:13:40 pikhq: the problem with Objective C is that its not Smalltalk but pretends it is. 05:13:57 augur: have you ever looked at its implementation 05:13:59 it has all the annoying shit of C but little of the awesomeness of smalltalk 05:14:02 its object implementation IS smalltalk 05:14:05 augur: Which is a huge step up from C++. 05:14:05 so stfu 05:14:12 ehird, its not a matter of the object implementation tho 05:14:23 augur: he said SMALLTALK'S OBJECT SYSTEM 05:14:24 not smalltalk 05:14:32 yes well 05:14:33 notice 05:14:34 Which is not a language with further abstraction than C, but pretends it is. 05:14:35 i DIDNT 05:14:35 Good lawd, we're still on this. 05:14:47 therefore your retort is invalid 05:14:49 GregorR-L: That's us. 05:14:50 so stfu 05:15:00 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:15:19 GregorR-L: uhh we started like 30 seconds ago 05:15:25 augur: There's similar flaws in many languages that try to be "X but with foo". 05:15:27 also, ObjC doesnt really have a further abstraction either, at least not uniformly; it just has lots of sugar. 05:15:35 ehird: Try eight minutes. 05:15:47 what, objective-c? 05:15:54 you have a weird time dilation machine 05:15:56 since ObjC is a superset of C, you get all the non-abstractedness of C plus some added abstraction stuff 05:15:56 it dilates time. 05:16:33 ehird: he's living on a rocket ship accelerating towards the speed of light 05:16:58 augur: Clearly what's needed is a language that's both unabstracted and not truly evil. 05:17:07 Sadly, C is the closest we have. 05:17:11 [[I have to pint out that macs are based on linux (I cound bsd as linux) they just happen to have all the pitfalls of both Linux and Windows]] 05:17:13 Stabby stab stab 05:17:18 abstraction is fine. 05:17:18 pikhq: Forth 05:17:45 ehird: ... Oh, right. That language that nobody uses because CS is dominated by masochists. 05:18:10 YOU FORTH LOVE IF HONK THEN 05:18:17 * coppro stabs that one 05:18:21 * ehird honk 05:18:28 ehird: makes sense to me! 05:18:35 thats grammatical japanese, almost! 05:18:37 * pikhq stabs someone that thinks BSD is Linux 05:18:39 technically you'd write it as 05:18:42 you forth love IF honk THEN 05:18:45 which is a lot more readable 05:18:50 indeed 05:18:59 maybe even with double-spacing! 05:19:12 anata wa foosu ga suki desu kereba, honku suru 05:19:16 augur: Technically, you'd omit the "then". ;) 05:19:20 yes i know 05:19:22 hence almost 05:19:22 :p 05:19:29 i dont remember imperative in japanese 05:19:38 nor proper conditional. i think its kereba, but whatever 05:20:13 : ?honk IF honk THEN ; 05:20:18 Anata wa foosu ga suki de gozareba, honku site. 05:20:18 you forth love ?honk 05:20:23 (note: may or may not be idiomatic) 05:20:37 de gozareba? what the fuck are you, hyperformal? :| 05:20:48 (note: very odd mix of formality going on there) 05:20:52 :P 05:21:02 nakereba might be it 05:21:19 anata wa foosu ga suki nakereba honku shite! 05:21:25 "Sir, I must point out that you are, in fact, a fucking cunt." 05:21:31 ↑ please translate that to idiomatic japanese 05:21:43 "iihaado" 05:21:50 japanese sure is concise 05:21:54 iihaado! 05:22:16 oh indeed 05:22:32 havent you seen lost in translation? 05:22:53 honk if you like forth -> anata wa foosu ga suki nakereba honku shite 05:22:57 makes it longer! 05:22:58 ...is it really iihaado? 05:23:01 but the other one makes it smaller! 05:23:02 yes. 05:23:03