< 1250640202 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250641424 0 :olsner_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :olsner < 1250642701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: http://msm.grumpybumpers.com/?p=20 quantum mario darwinism < 1250643407 0 :GregorR_!n=gregor@65.183.185.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250643684 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1250644639 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250644951 0 :GregorR_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR < 1250645475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. < 1250645519 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mooooooooooooooooo. < 1250645522 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: psl {[ "Hello, world!" print ]} < 1250645550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'd retort in K, but I'm not even sure it has a convenient function for printing to stdout. < 1250645557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`show $ "Hello, world!"). :P < 1250645574 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.out.println("Hello, world!"); < 1250645594 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Main { public static void main(String[] args) { System.out.println("Hello, world!"); } } < 1250645608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(insert the enum/static initialiser short java hello world here) < 1250645610 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1250645627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello, world!" could count as a k hello world, I guess. < 1250645637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{print "Hello, world!"} /* Awk */ < 1250646071 0 :Sneezle!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"good night, have fun o/" < 1250647171 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1250647945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1250649272 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250649730 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250655165 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./ggc_test_dot < 1250655165 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault < 1250655168 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOH < 1250655253 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, ggc? < 1250655678 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be feasible to come up with a class of theorem provers known as "first-order-logic-complete" or something, where for every pair of theorem provers X and Y within the class, there is a proof in X that if X is consistent then Y is consistent? < 1250655815 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, I think we should do that. < 1250655830 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And come up with a class of theorem provers that prove each other as consistent as themselves. < 1250655856 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order for any of them to be flawed, every single one of them would have to be flawed. < 1250656098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Generational garbage collector. < 1250656108 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Segmentation fault? BEST KIND! < 1250656125 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually that was more-or-less intentional. < 1250656129 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone their own type of fault < 1250656984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I hate to make you feel derivative, but: http://www.crummy.com/features/dada/ < 1250656990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dadasaurus Rex. < 1250657026 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall claiming that my randomizer was unique. < 1250657033 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well to stop feeling derivative, he'll just have to integrate the new knowledge < 1250657034 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then. < 1250657445 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Besides, we're still keeping it in the Richards.* family. < 1250657516 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I didn't know family names were regular expressions. < 1250657528 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Richards is just a contraction of Richardson :P < 1250657548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sush you. < 1250657577 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or else I shall insist your father was named "Richard", and that your son will be a Gregorson. < 1250657674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it's short for richardsaurus < 1250659509 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-169-5-210.range86-169.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1250660830 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1250661595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1250662997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1250663770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1250663773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at xkcd today < 1250663774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250663789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the annotation even more so < 1250664292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1250665221 0 :asiekierka!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1250665221 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1250665229 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a working BF interpreter in GMod :D < 1250666099 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250668565 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250668799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1250668800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1250669155 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-13-9.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250669729 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250669755 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@130.233.228.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250669792 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1250672400 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250672483 0 :lifthrasiir!i=28TJNAPz@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1250673224 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250673315 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1250673326 0 :lifthrasiir!i=FuYvyBKf@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1250674977 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250676187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250678974 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/computah.html - oh my god this is the worst podcast on the planet earth < 1250679315 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1250680555 0 :Gracenotes_!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1250680674 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1250680677 0 :Gracenotes_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gracenotes < 1250681716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello from university < 1250681724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1250681786 0 :andi_!n=jrw@port-92-206-61-34.dynamic.qsc.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250682944 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-13-9.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250684129 0 :Gracenotes_!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1250684235 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1250684241 0 :Gracenotes_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gracenotes < 1250684744 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-124-134.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1250685794 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250687034 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250688658 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250689353 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-169-5-210.range86-169.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1250689768 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250690621 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250692684 0 :jix!n=jix@188-193-95-175-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250693316 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250693358 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-13-9.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250693443 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250693549 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250693577 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-13-9.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250693640 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, just made the symlink. Restarting X-Chat. Wish me luck. < 1250693669 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1250693901 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250694599 0 :andi_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1250694640 0 :andi_!n=jrw@port-92-206-61-34.dynamic.qsc.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250695421 0 :Gracenotes_!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1250695434 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1250695443 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1250695462 0 :Gracenotes_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gracenotes < 1250695941 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.85-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.1.2/20090801173140]" < 1250696524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real 0m0.035s < 1250696524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user 0m0.020s < 1250696524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys 0m0.008s < 1250696526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1250696537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for cfunge with non-empty environment < 1250696541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my laptop < 1250697735 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1250697746 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-13-9.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250697784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl going home < 1250698013 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byes < 1250698048 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I should make a language where there literally is only one way to do things. < 1250698052 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably won't be TC < 1250698080 0 :andi_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1250698117 0 :andi_!n=jrw@port-92-206-61-34.dynamic.qsc.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250698157 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bored < 1250698163 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What esolang to implement in gmod now? :( < 1250698220 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmod? < 1250698231 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Garry's Mo < 1250698231 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1250698242 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implemented brainf**k already < 1250698245 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nice idea, btw < 1250698248 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you implement an esolang in a game? < 1250698251 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiremod < 1250698253 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, it came from some place < 1250698264 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an addon to GMod that allows you to do programming and stuff < 1250698268 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have done CPUs in it xD < 1250698280 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1250698431 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The site that I got the idea from is down < 1250698449 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was some insane POS about designing a language < 1250698468 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the things was that doing something should be done in character-identical ways < 1250698485 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1250698506 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe you could do complex programs with only one way in it < 1250698517 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not going to have loops < 1250698526 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking how arithmatic would be done < 1250698527 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1250698531 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leave only while loops < 1250698532 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parenthesis would be required < 1250698534 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one way to loop! < 1250698555 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, but then you could print 1\n1 by either printing 1\n1 or looping < 1250698569 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So don't allow to print more than 1 char at once < 1250698572 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case solvesd < 1250698574 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solved* < 1250698576 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1250698580 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you're right < 1250698606 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking maybe only being able to use a statement once at each level < 1250698608 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe not < 1250698617 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not having loops would be easier < 1250698633 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, how do I deal with the possibility of an if True: equivalent? < 1250698694 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are 26 variables, a-z. Variables have to be declared in order < 1250698707 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, var b = 1 is wrong if it's the first line, since it needs to be a < 1250698715 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1250698739 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Would a big finite-size decision tree work? < 1250698759 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MigoMipo, hm? < 1250698764 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_tree < 1250698794 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1250698804 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could that be made to simulate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_that_always_halts ? < 1250698834 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decision trees always halt unless they loop back on themselves < 1250699091 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a good way to allow arithmatic < 1250699150 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variables could be either static or dynamic. Only dynamic variables can be used in arithmatic < 1250699155 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var a = get_num(); < 1250699159 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is dynamic. < 1250699167 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it comes from user input. < 1250699181 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should allow infinite memory < 1250699188 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v[0] = get_num(); < 1250699223 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once a variable is assigned, it must be used before it is reassigned. Or maybe it can't be reassigned. < 1250699389 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Sgeo is trying to design a programming language where there is exactly one way to do what's needed. No more < 1250699389 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: binary? < 1250699437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arithmetic is easy to do with a machine that always halts. Stack machine FTW. < 1250699437 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/kQMoVbEU < 1250699469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making said machine do more than arithmetic while still always halting is a bit more involved. ;) < 1250700175 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1250700316 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, read logs? < 1250700326 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing so yes < 1250700330 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and no static variables, come to think of it < 1250700450 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Probably won't be TC <-- indeed, probably would violate the undecidability of equivalent programs < 1250700502 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about it on another channel, and they said I'll fail, because if it's TC (I never said I wanted it to be TC), then there will always be another way, even if it's implementing a turing machine < 1250700557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, take two turing machines that are equivalent but not provably so, and translate them both < 1250700596 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1250700683 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty obvious that it's not going to be TC. It's not clear whether or not this will be useful at all. < 1250700695 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it's an esolang, how useful can it be? < 1250700716 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1250700721 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that it could be interesting, but I'll mangle it. < 1250700762 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had two subprograms, they could never be switchable so at a minimum subprograms would have to interfer with each other in a destructive way < 1250700796 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming sequential commands apply < 1250700812 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subprograms? < 1250700835 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean, do one thing, then do another, entirely separate thing? < 1250700836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or substrings, even < 1250700840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1250700859 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THat's blocked by the uninteresting requirement that variables be assigned in incrementing order < 1250700867 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh :) < 1250700870 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have to assign to v[5] before you can assign to v[6] < 1250700887 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I think I misunderstood you < 1250700898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, that does sound like a way < 1250700908 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however what about switching + renaming? < 1250700926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait no < 1250700930 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1250700950 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1250700995 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either there will be no multiplication, or no loops that depend on a variable. < 1250701022 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, there's two ways to multiply < 1250701132 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I understand why switching is a problem? Or is that why you said duh? < 1250701169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :switching would be a problem if you could do it... < 1250701201 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by switching? < 1250701208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now a second problem. if two variables can have the same value then you get two ways of referring to that value later < 1250701235 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variables can only store user-input. So they may have the same value, or may not. < 1250701242 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if we have ifs... < 1250701251 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250701262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: A B C D -> A C B D, where B and C don't interfer < 1250701283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1250701292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1250701296 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster < 1250701311 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.76.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250701314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1250701318 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, isn't that only a problem if B and C don't get user-input or output stuff? < 1250701333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleargh < 1250701337 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, the program will do something different either way, assuming variables are renamed < 1250701337 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be < 1250701338 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ehird < 1250701372 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so your program sort of depends on _every_ command doing I/O? < 1250701408 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I think we might require every variable to be present in output somehow, to prevent no-ops < 1250701412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, doing everything in the IO monad, and no recursion? < 1250701463 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, um, the switching thing: < 1250701522 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, was about to post an example, but can't figure it out < 1250701533 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, got it < 1250701559 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's pretend $ is a mathematical operator < 1250701653 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/BTDu67gy < 1250701664 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do we stop both from being valid? < 1250701782 0 :andi___!n=jrw@port-92-206-219-174.dynamic.qsc.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250701830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:29:49 * Sgeo is trying to design a programming language where there is exactly one way to do what's needed. No more < 1250701832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impossible. < 1250701832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1250701841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, literally. < 1250701853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to be MASSIVELY sub-turing to be possible. < 1250701858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., useless. < 1250701865 0 :andi_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250701866 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what esolang isn't useless? < 1250701872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you understand. < 1250701878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That arithmetic? Forget about it. < 1250701902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you probably could do an FSA that way < 1250701929 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it may have a form of arithmetic. ... Actually, the only arithmetic possible is useless. < 1250701937 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, incrementing without decrementing useless. < 1250701942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure peano arithmetic is impossible to make unique < 1250701957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider + 2 then + 2 instead of + 4 < 1250701964 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-163-146.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1250701966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for an example < 1250701994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Your language is going to be less powerful than HQ9+. < 1250701999 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constants can't be used in arithmetic expressions, only variables. < 1250702011 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And variables need to get their values from user-input < 1250702026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes; you'd have to remove the +. < 1250702039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Fail. < 1250702039 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, wait, constants can be used, maybe < 1250702042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/kQMoVbEU < 1250702044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v[2] isn't from user input. < 1250702056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: just give up, it's impossible < 1250702064 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :User-input or derived from user-input < 1250702067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250702082 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.76.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250702085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1250702093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it is impossible, without being stupidly sub-turing < 1250702100 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.76.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250702111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, connection issues? < 1250702121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :client issues. < 1250702130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1250702156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:14:24 User-input or derived from user-input < 1250702162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have fallen in to my trap < 1250702176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v[2]=v[1]+2;v[3]=v[2]+2;print(v[3]) < 1250702177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs < 1250702185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v[3]=v[1]+4;print(v[3]) < 1250702281 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm (btw that's syntactically incorrect, but I see the point) < 1250702452 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I don't know how to work around that < 1250702467 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, without forbidding constants in variable assignments < 1250702477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations, you have figured out that it's impossible to do the impossible. < 1250702479 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if we did that, .. um, actually < 1250702481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your next breakthrough? :P < 1250702508 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I see a way around it, I think < 1250702531 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one addition operation per user-input, type of thing < 1250702542 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is watching a video right now, so not fully focused on this
< 1250702616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, nicely sub-tc < 1250702616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: please stop, you're embarrassing yourself with a tarpit < 1250702622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :futher and further < 1250702634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the turing ones hang out on top, you're digging towards the ground underneath < 1250702651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "towards"? < 1250702653 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One addition of a constant, I meant < 1250702661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this was sub-surface already < 1250702663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food < 1250702670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, it is infinitely thin. < 1250702674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as you go beneath the top, you hit the ground < 1250702675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION claps
< 1250702676 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although adding and subtracting a variable would be problematic < 1250702691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why are you doing this? It's. Impossible. < 1250703069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: He's planning to dine at the Restaurant at the End of the Universe, I bet. < 1250703104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9byek/interview_with_developers_of_menuetos_an_os/c0c706x / wonderful juxtaposition here from losethos < 1250703112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the topic being menuetos) < 1250703221 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The Menuet OS guys seem quite a bit more sane. < 1250703232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was rather the point of the thread i linked < 1250703251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just pointless and silly. Losethos is... Crazy. < 1250703259 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, the embodiment of crazy. < 1250703267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :methinks you didn't click my link < 1250703297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is definitely a battle between these guys and the Losethos guy for who is the most insane" < 1250703314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and the reply after it... < 1250703334 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1250703338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1250703344 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's a joke? < 1250703350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: sorry, no < 1250703351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Losethos? < 1250703356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've researched this < 1250703361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :losethos is very much mentally insane < 1250703364 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Losethos is the Time Cube of OS development. < 1250703375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least gene ray is an isolate < 1250703379 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to believe! < 1250703386 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to believe that it's just a joke! < 1250703388 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1250703449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort(1) doesn't have a --random option, ugh < 1250703513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Just attempting to figure out the inconsistencies behind jailbreak=ok, break a GPL license=no-ok." < 1250703514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1250703517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must not reply to idiots < 1250703519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must not reply to idiots < 1250703522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1250703524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must stab idiots < 1250703527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verbally < 1250703540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1250703547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the menuetos page fails to load < 1250703588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah now it works < 1250703621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's getting Reddit'd and Slashdotted. < 1250703631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ok < 1250703769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, btw, found out why syngergy disables key repeat: for the same reason as x11vnc < 1250703772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, network lag < 1250703781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :key up and key down events can be delayed a lot < 1250703782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...did he ask? < 1250703790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, we discussed it a few days ago < 1250703801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why do you care? < 1250703838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway, key repeat is done locally on the system that the input is connected to, so it will still work, just not at the local console < 1250703847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it prevents spurious repeats < 1250703916 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Weird. < 1250703941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, because key down = send key down message, key up = send key up < 1250703947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't fake early key up < 1250703954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, that would break some programs < 1250703963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like games, where you want to hold down arrow key or such < 1250704005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1250704607 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250704611 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250704979 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250705087 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250705277 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1250705403 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1250705575 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-124-134.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1250705856 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1250705861 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird linker error < 1250705882 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "vtable for Class", referenced from: < 1250705894 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-22.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1250706416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, C++ eww ;P < 1250706426 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1250706431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1250706440 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :work < 1250706443 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate C++ < 1250706562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: any sun in sweden < 1250706575 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUN? < 1250706578 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that pun was boring < 1250706583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1250706584 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, I guess they spell it Sun < 1250706592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, been sunny today, but have been busy with the course all day. Didn't test < 1250706602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit :P < 1250706604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seemed to work ok close to a window though < 1250706612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm reading seems to suggest that direct daylight will make it unreadable < 1250706614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at brightest level < 1250706637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, possibly, anything but brightest was hard to read in direct light through window < 1250706662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brightest is fine < 1250706681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, though, the window was slightly shaded < 1250706702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brightest backlight through a shaded window just barely works < 1250706703 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's AnMaster supposed to do with the sun? < 1250706703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but as I said, didn't have time to test it outside, and the sun is hidden by some hills now < 1250706706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like it'll work great! < 1250706711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, install solaris on it < 1250706711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: try the display from the ThinkPads on them < 1250706717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's the same as the one that I want to get < 1250706723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my guess is it won't work < 1250706724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i've read suggests it won't work well outside. < 1250706726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1250706728 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1250706734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: annoyingly, I found a leaked lenovo roadmap < 1250706736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X201" < 1250706740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1250706746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :january 2010 < 1250706747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what one did you plan to get < 1250706750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X200 < 1250706754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X201 is coming out jan next year < 1250706755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1250706762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, too late for you? < 1250706766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care about the hardware - core 2 at 2.4ghz is fine for me - < 1250706770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't want to wait until then - < 1250706777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but dammit, if it has a better screen! < 1250706784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1250706788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that it uses the same connectors < 1250706792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, I can get a replacement screen for the X201 < 1250706795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put it in my X200 < 1250706828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be highly kickass < 1250706873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can you buy that < 1250706874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1250706882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. people break displays all the time. < 1250706898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, certified technicians? < 1250706906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cost. < 1250706915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that someone did a display replacement to one of the current X-series, that involved breaking the bezel < 1250706922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but iirc the model he replaced it with differed a bit < 1250706924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzel? < 1250706928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bezel* < 1250706928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bezel. < 1250706930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1250706933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I've read the X200 and X200s connectors differ < 1250706943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: google it. < 1250706969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezel_setting ? < 1250706998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the border surrounding the screen < 1250707000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1250707019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll pretty much buy it now if it'll be possible to make the screen better later, in any way < 1250707024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, didn't you say you could get it with a LCD or something < 1250707032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't the normal TFT type < 1250707032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to what, a CRT? < 1250707037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean LED backlight. < 1250707043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's on the X200s. though it seems not to have it any more < 1250707054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X200s = thinner, lighter, longer battery... 1.4ghz low voltage processors. < 1250707063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i don't care about the hardware - core 2 at 2.4ghz is fine for me - < 1250707066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1250707069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.4 isn't? < 1250707075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct. < 1250707081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Low-voltage 1.4ghz is stunningly slow. < 1250707088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ARM for the win < 1250707100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's probably about as fast or faster than 800mhz arm. < 1250707105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, it's dual-core. < 1250707106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway, what does the X200 has < 1250707110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what will the X201 have < 1250707112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for CPU < 1250707114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Core 2 Duo 2.4ghz, normal voltage. < 1250707116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have no idea. < 1250707122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know is: X201, January 2010. < 1250707133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how do you know it will have a better display then < 1250707138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't! < 1250707142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hoped it did. < 1250707147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1250707209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, as for the processor: I believe it would be annoyingly slow, I don't need the extra thinness, I only want the extra lightness a little, and I don't really need more than 9 hours of battery life, plus, I want to _upgrade_ from my current machine. < 1250707214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since I'll be using it instead of.) < 1250707225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(20 inch to 12 inch display, woohoo) < 1250707236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that seems like a downgrade < 1250707253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a more powerful computer that I can use anywhere. < 1250707262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just use a tiling window manager. < 1250707288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yes, but a desktop is still nice. When doing a lot of work. < 1250707324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1250707328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where you need a large screen < 1250707329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1250707330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's not like old 12" 4:3 laptops that were 1280x768 < 1250707331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :image editing < 1250707335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get 1280x800 pixels < 1250707336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which you don't) < 1250707341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what most 13.3" inch laptops get < 1250707345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs 12.1" < 1250707350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, old 12" were 800x600 right? < 1250707351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least < 1250707356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first generation ibook was < 1250707362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12.1" iirc < 1250707362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, not that old < 1250707364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 800x600 < 1250707389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I remember an old performa < 1250707406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 2004 onwards < 1250707409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that had like 640x480 as the highest possible mode < 1250707418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used a 12.1" laptop that was 1280x768; a little lighter than the one I'm getting, I think. < 1250707422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used something less by defaulkt < 1250707425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :default* < 1250707433 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My not-first-but-a-bit-old 12" iBook G4 has 1024x768. < 1250707444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like 1.4kg with the battery in < 1250707451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs 1.6kg for the X200 with the 9-hour battery in < 1250707455 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the *really* old Toshiba Tecra CDT630 or whatever (Pentium 100) has 1024x768 in a 12" screen. < 1250707481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why I said yesterday that we need perfect holographic screens. < 1250707504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a field somewhere? The base of it is 12.1" (for the full keyboard) and there is no top. Turn it on and a display appears where it should be in thin air! < 1250707505 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even though it has only 2 MB of RAM on the graphics card, so only 16-bit color for the native 1024x768 resolution.) < 1250707508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why are you getting a system with *square* pixels? < 1250707509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1250707525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At a desk about to edit images? Click the display icon in your task bar and select a 30" display with some resolution/ < 1250707528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\/$/./ < 1250707530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bazam! < 1250707537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears, hovering in mid air. < 1250707542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(going off the edges of the base). < 1250707564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : heh < 1250707581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how would they work < 1250707583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically < 1250707587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holograms! < 1250707608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah but I thought that was recording a 3D object in some material using laser thingy < 1250707615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1250707625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, holograms are the reflective things like on money that you see if you tilt them to the light. < 1250707634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR THEY'RE BEAMS OF 3D PEOPLE LIKE IN STAR WARS < 1250707648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, don't forget Star Trek too < 1250707662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft, Star Trek. It's so scientifically inaccurate. < 1250707665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Star Wars has it right! < 1250707679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, holograms aren't usual there. But they do happen in one of the time traveling episodes iirc < 1250707680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had a big piece of paper and if you tilted it to the sun, the person appears next to you!* < 1250707681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lie < 1250707681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least < 1250707704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, don't remember that scene at all :P < 1250707716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the paper I mean < 1250707721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shush, you. < 1250707755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, on US election night last year, a bunch of cameras shot a CNN newsanchor and "beamed" it in to their studio. Except the other people in the studio didn't see shit and it was just overlaid on to the final image. < 1250707755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hologram <-- ? < 1250707760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that they told you that, of course. < 1250707769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hologram is the usual sci-fi speak term for it < 1250707774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite not meaning that < 1250707775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While holography is commonly used to display static 3-D pictures, it is not yet possible to generate arbitrary scenes by a holographic volumetric display." < 1250707785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1250707793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah, it kind of confuses things < 1250707793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that wouldn't even fit in a laptop and who cares about 3D. :P < 1250708114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, add those variable-size, extremely-bright, no-reflection holographic displays and I'm satisfied with the current crop of laptops. :P < 1250708176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the ThinkPad I saw at the refurbished laptop shop looks like a T40, circa 2003. < 1250708197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nipple mouse wasn't very fast and its buttons felt more like keys. < 1250708209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With some setting tweaking and more shiny-newness it'd be fine, I imagine. < 1250708219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: are the buttons still more like keys, btw? < 1250708224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for the touchpad, those feel like buttons < 1250708240 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250708256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, which buttons < 1250708262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nipple mouse buttons. < 1250708270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they are button like < 1250708274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than key-like < 1250708287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1250708293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why? < 1250708296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :key like would be cool < 1250708302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like it, but no < 1250708311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to push it hard to get much response, and double clicking is a pain < 1250708322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the pressing/depressing of keys is slower and smoother than a button < 1250708329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, can't have been a T40, it didn't have a touchpad < 1250708350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, probably the X40 < 1250708365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pressing hard? eh? < 1250708375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: as in, to fully depress the key < 1250708379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1250708385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about it, keys have a lot more pushing before they click down than a button < 1250708389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the same for going up < 1250708398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so clicking and especially double clicking is a pain < 1250708412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, there's less of a tactile *click* than a button < 1250708421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for a model M certainly < 1250708427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for a laptop keyboard? nah < 1250708437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I've used one, you havent < 1250708438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than a button yes < 1250708440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*haven't < 1250708444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not a LOT < 1250708446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly for a minute or two, but no < 1250708450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the key-like buttons were the devil < 1250708453 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-14-65.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1250708455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what laptop had that < 1250708460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X40, at least. < 1250708465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1250708509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a W700ds for the ridiculosity. It has a 17" display, a retractable side 10" display, a "digitizer" tablet, you can give it a RAID array, ... < 1250708515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much that thing ways; prolly about a ton. < 1250708519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Battery life of 30 seconds! < 1250708564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a retractable side 10" display" < 1250708564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1250708571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, picture < 1250708577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, where is the battery life listed < 1250708583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.handingchao.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/lenovo-thinkpad-w700ds.jpg < 1250708594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I don't think they do; probably for the best. < 1250708598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only comes with a 9-cell, obviously. < 1250708617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, that IS a number pad. < 1250708621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is the side 9" one for? < 1250708626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10" < 1250708630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1250708631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1250708631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for, you know, extra stuff. < 1250708635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Photoshop windows? < 1250708639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, toolset things. < 1250708642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why not a full 17" one? < 1250708646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ON EACH SIDE < 1250708653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of wouldn't fit in anything. < 1250708661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, thick screen? < 1250708673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to fit in the three extra 17" displays < 1250708679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Why not propose it to them? < 1250708681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, each side = at the top too < 1250708682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1250708687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND THE BOTTOM < 1250708698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION switches to the US site to get the highest-end options on the W700ds
< 1250708703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to TRICK THIS THING THE FUCK OUT. < 1250708706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, since that is a notebook and not a laptop < 1250708708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is ok < 1250708720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a new notebook. < 1250708725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know those PCs that went on their side? < 1250708725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? < 1250708730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1250708735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weld a monitor, keyboard and mouse to one of them. < 1250708742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YEAH. < 1250708752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mean like a desktop? < 1250708752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Keyboard goes on top, monitor behind keyboard.) < 1250708754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the base < 1250708756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1250708759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The side-desktops. < 1250708777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often found in schools < 1250708778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, technically the upright desktops are "towers" iirc < 1250708781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1250708789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it would be amazing. < 1250708791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ly stupid. < 1250708800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh those in the uni are side desktops, but mounted vertically < 1250708809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1250708811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in "cages" under the desktop < 1250708812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :desk* < 1250708815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see what I mean < 1250708819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not cage reallyt < 1250708820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really* < 1250708824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but kind of similar < 1250708825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a server rack? < 1250708826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1250708829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/that line/nothing < 1250708831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1250708836 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1250708858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, it comes with a Nvidia Quadro. < 1250708869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, more like a tray made out of something similar to the metal bags you sometimes see at the front of bicycles < 1250708872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever those are called < 1250708872 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250708878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bag is wrong word < 1250708918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they aren't rack mounted as such < 1250708926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh and most had HUGE displays < 1250708939 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're just called racks like the ones on the back < 1250708944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the ones in the library had at least 26" I think < 1250708947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly 30" < 1250708958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and in the computer rooms? Pretty much the same < 1250708983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/588787.txt?key=o0r1ib5cmi58ln8yr5qhw All specs maxed out apart from OS/software < 1250708987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :costing... < 1250708991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$6,219 < 1250708992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm? it wasn't like, you know,secured to the "rack" by screws or anything < 1250709004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, 44857 SEK. < 1250709013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Windows XP Professional US English RDVD < 1250709014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err what < 1250709019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 8 GB RAM? < 1250709025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need 64 bit windows for it < 1250709044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still works without it. < 1250709045 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got both Vista and XP there < 1250709046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just can't access the rest. < 1250709048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultranav + Fingerprint Reader + Pantone Color Sensor + WACOM Digitizer < 1250709048 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ask me why < 1250709050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoo what? < 1250709052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250709052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah, the XP is a downgrade CD < 1250709060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Which bit is what? < 1250709066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, colour sensor < 1250709069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT bit < 1250709074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: For automatic calibration. < 1250709089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has a WACOM Digitizer; it's obviously aimed at serious image work. < 1250709096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(= tablet, basically, from what I gather) < 1250709098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh, it isn't like a built in scanner to check colour of printed things? < 1250709104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is it built in or? < 1250709105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these < 1250709107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No... Yes... < 1250709110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(respectively) < 1250709113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1250709131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you don't need fucking RAID for image editing. Video editing, sure < 1250709132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1250709143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Intel Turbo Memory 2GB" < 1250709144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1250709150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dedicated harddrive cache < 1250709155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there aren't any >320GB laptop drives < 1250709156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250709156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err ok.... < 1250709157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are now < 1250709160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only since like a month or two ago < 1250709163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1250709172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can RAID-1 them too < 1250709173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :serious work, remember < 1250709190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh btw, I looked at those express card/PC-card slots on my laptop < 1250709194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have different connectors < 1250709203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one is express card I think < 1250709206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other I don't know < 1250709209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly PC-card < 1250709237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top one internally has a non-rectangular shape < 1250709237 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny thing < 1250709246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it is more narrow near the inner end < 1250709258 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in MFC3 header files there are #ifdef _MAC thingys < 1250709272 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if they tried to port it to mac OS < 1250709281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how hot does that run I wonder < 1250709295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking amazingly hot I bet < 1250709301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If you don't want babies, why not completely remove your testicles? < 1250709303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With HEAT! < 1250709338 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i accidentaly tried < 1250709344 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing funny < 1250709364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga has the ability to pass on his genes? < 1250709365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiiiiiiiiit < 1250709434 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1250709457 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to flood GB with my siblings < 1250709474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok, I want to leave this country at the nearest opportunity < 1250709486 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1250709489 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used wrong word < 1250709490 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1250709499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :offspring. < 1250709515 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1250709562 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misread that as "flood GB with my syphilis". < 1250709566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I know how to fix the display issue < 1250709572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orally? < 1250709575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, o rly? < 1250709579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :insanely high res display in your glasses < 1250709585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :displays* < 1250709590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR has that. < 1250709596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Myvu Crystal; 640x480 in less than an inch. < 1250709600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, only for one eye iirc? < 1250709612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, the actual glasses are black and have two of them, I think < 1250709616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to cover your whole vision < 1250709620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he took out just one display < 1250709624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use without them < 1250709630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What I really want is OLED visors. < 1250709642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sounds cool < 1250709642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OLED because it's super-light, bendable (so you can make the visors curved properly), and can be transparent.) < 1250709663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the colours aren't too good on transparent OLEDs, and they're still at trade-show level. < 1250709669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, best would be if you could do both "hide real view" display < 1250709670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, not too long to go. < 1250709677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Just cover the whole screen with pixels < 1250709678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "overlay on normal view" display < 1250709680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1250709686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both modes should exist < 1250709687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...WTF < 1250709689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=773108 < 1250709691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because both are cool < 1250709695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why just deleted his whole online prescence < 1250709711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, why? Why? < 1250709726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1250709768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and this is where the complete unknowing we have of anything about him comes in. < 1250709775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if he's suicidal. < 1250709788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I guess there is always waybackmachine < 1250709791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the guide thingy < 1250709804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently one of his last twatresults (better than "tweet") was "programming is rather thankless. u see your works become replaced by superior ones in a year. unable to run at all in a few more".) < 1250709813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although that "u" is rather un-whylike; maybe it totals 140 chars.) < 1250709823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: All his stuff will be around; I'm worried about the guy < 1250709831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe someone hacked his computer < 1250709836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and took over his accounts < 1250709839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1250709849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop pulling at straws, he obviously did this < 1250709860 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1250709866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the tweet was "programming is rather thankless. you see your works become replaced by superior works in a year. unable to run at all in a few more." < 1250709873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but someone retweeting made it "u" due to the "RT @_why" taking up space. < 1250709876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*@_why: < 1250709885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1250709896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("if you program and want longevity, make a game. all else recycles, but people rewrite architectures to keep games alive") < 1250709903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe he's now working for EA and they want him to shut up :P) < 1250709910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ("if you program and want longevity, make a game. all else recycles, but people rewrite architectures to keep games alive") < 1250709912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1250709913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1250709921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remembers zsnes
< 1250709925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and various other ones < 1250709935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsnes still exists. :) < 1250709941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I didn't say it didn't < 1250709945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, right < 1250709959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emulators are nice < 1250709968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway he does have a point, games do last longer than most apps < 1250709979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he absolutely has a point, I just hope it isn't connected < 1250710012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, though, I think NOT programming a game ensures even greater longevity! < 1250710016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is a good example of it < 1250710018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNF < 1250710023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNF died < 1250710028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 3d realms died < 1250710032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, when? < 1250710032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very recently < 1250710035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1250710036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1250710040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :few months ago < 1250710045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the project is officially over < 1250710049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, very well.... they managed it for quite a while < 1250710063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw the longest, latest preview; it looked great < 1250710066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a shame < 1250710074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though nobody will buy the project for obvious reasons < 1250710081 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-13-9.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250710105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It was reported on May 14, 2009 that Take-Two, holders of the publishing rights of Duke Nukem Forever, filed a breach of contract suit against Apogee Software Ltd (3D Realms) over failing to deliver the aforementioned title." < 1250710107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka < 1250710117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fuck you guys. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck you guys. Just give us the damn game already." < 1250710118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With the termination of the development team by 3D Realms in May 2009, production on Duke Nukem Forever has been halted. Again. Although Take-Two still owns the publishing rights to the game, they do not have an agreement with 3D Realms to provide funding for the game's continued development.[7] A lawsuit has been filed by Take-Two Interactive against 3D Realms over their failure to finish developmen < 1250710119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t of the game.[8]" < 1250710122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. :D < 1250710307 0 :andi___!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1250710664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so in theory there is still a slim hope < 1250710674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1250711801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Mario has lasted longer. < 1250711831 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250711929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true < 1250711938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but the original mario game? Not sure about that < 1250711942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it has < 1250711946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People still play and enjoy it < 1250711948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm maybe < 1250711949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially speedruns < 1250711957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1250711966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not counting Donkey Kong, though that's still quite popular too < 1250711982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that was Jumpman, technically < 1250711985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? which one would you consider the original then < 1250711996 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to be a M-- yeah, no Jumpman. < 1250712002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: donkey kong junior < 1250712014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Super Mario Bros is the first Mario platformer, which is what I was counting < 1250712018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Mario Bros probably counts too < 1250712035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only two years difference, anyway < 1250712059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but Super Mario World, too < 1250712067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1990/1992 to present, still alive and well < 1250712076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was Mario Bros if not a platformer? < 1250712077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people still make rom hacks < 1250712079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember < 1250712085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arcade style < 1250712089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one, non-scrolling level < 1250712089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1250712097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no goal as such < 1250712108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so what did you try to do in that game? < 1250712119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kill enemies and collect coins until you die. < 1250712122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1250712143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's amusing for about seven minutes < 1250712167 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Kill enemies and collect coins until you die. // this is pretty much my slogan for living. < 1250712181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pacifism: Collect coins until you die. < 1250712186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nihilism: until you die. < 1250712193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emo...ism: Die. < 1250712203 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Kill enemies and collect coins until you die. // this is pretty much my slogan for living. // good one < 1250712211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychoism: Kill enemies until you die. < 1250712234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christianity: Kill enemies until you die, then collect coins. < 1250712246 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judaism: Collect coins until you die, then kill enemies. < 1250712252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buddhism: Die until you die. < 1250712279 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1250712289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beingjesusism: Die, then forty and a few days later, die. < 1250712300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : GregorR: Kill enemies and collect coins until you die. // this is pretty much my slogan for living. // good one /* Agreed */ < 1250712317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:05] AnMaster: GregorR: Kill enemies and collect coins until you die. // this is pretty much my slogan for living. // good one /* Agreed */ / k owns, did i mention < 1250712323 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like Mario < 1250712331 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, it is < 1250712333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. :P < 1250712348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [20:05] AnMaster: GregorR: Kill enemies and collect coins until you die. // this is pretty much my slogan for living. // good one /* Agreed */ / k owns, did i mention %% stop hijacking the line for your own nefarious purposes! < 1250712358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super Mario Bros: Kill enemies, collect coins and pander to the sadistic tendencies of the game designer until you either die or rescue the princess. < 1250712383 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only to find taht princess is kidnapped again < 1250712387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super Mario Galaxy: GRAVITY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY < 1250712403 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last Mario I played was Mario VIP < 1250712414 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bu-n (^w^) < 1250712450 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i like why's ruby booker < 1250712454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any super mario world hacks that are impossible to play without tool-assisted speedrunning, due to human response times? < 1250712463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: then tell why to start existing again! < 1250712464 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the kinda insanity that's not annoying < 1250712466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the kinda insanity that's not annoying < 1250712468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kind of < 1250712473 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-repetitino < 1250712474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the kinda insanity that's not annoying < 1250712475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the kinda insanity that's not annoying < 1250712475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1250712476 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about BATTLETOADS < 1250712477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*repetition < 1250712481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repe titty ino < 1250712660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OBAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1250712662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O O O BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1250712664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1250712677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my sleep dep hasn't worn off yet, despite like 12 hrs sleep :) < 1250713290 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250714303 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-91-210.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1250714591 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1250714968 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOMA < 1250715293 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamnt < 1250715299 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is my internet connection so slow < 1250715610 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm barely even torrenting right now < 1250715733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind < 1250716016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Ping reply from bsmntbombdood: 0.64 second(s) < 1250716018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems fine? < 1250716028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latency at least < 1250716032 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that fine? < 1250716034 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's horrid < 1250716037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1250716038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1250716052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, about 0.2 of those are on my side < 1250716057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1250716060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is reply < 1250716061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1250716068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga is 0.44 < 1250716075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is about 0.32 < 1250716076 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bytes from google.com (74.125.127.100): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=589 ms < 1250716077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one way < 1250716079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal is 0.79 < 1250716083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my lag is about 0.1 one way < 1250716089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, yeah and? < 1250716090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 5x slower than here < 1250716101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm? < 1250716104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1250716104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: < 1250716108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your client doesn't respond to pings, fix that. < 1250716120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I block all CTCP < 1250716123 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Ping reply from oklopol: 1250661266.18 second(s) < 1250716125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except from special people < 1250716125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet you send it? < 1250716127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like GregorR < 1250716129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure that violates the spec. < 1250716131 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: old < 1250716136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: you're a special person! < 1250716137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what spec? ;P < 1250716140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: CTCP. < 1250716155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers flooding AnMaster with CTCP requestsj
< 1250716157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/j$// < 1250716158 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 1250661266.18 seconds in years < 1250716159 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 250 661 266.18 seconds = 39.6319105 years < 1250716167 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some sucky latency. < 1250716175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, most clients can't handle multiple requests CTCP requests per line either < 1250716175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet < 1250716178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the specs allows it < 1250716189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was your point now again? < 1250716193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Ping reply from ehird: 0.78 second(s) < 1250716199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so, let me get this straight < 1250716202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION your client blocks this?
< 1250716211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nop, I allow ACTION < 1250716218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1250716218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope* < 1250716231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I do this to avoid CTCP floods < 1250716250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are more deadly than regular floods, because of magic. < 1250716264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because they trigger automatic replies yes < 1250716297 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple versions on a line could be useful < 1250716301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming multiple clients are CTCP spamming you, your client's sending queue will fill up pretty quickly < 1250716303 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VERSION requests, that is < 1250716329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, see the "spec" for what this actually means < 1250716340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all have the same target < 1250716345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not useful at all < 1250716354 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, useful for crashing someone, that is < 1250716359 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, quitting someone < 1250716374 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read the spec once... was a while, though < 1250716385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, except, the number of clients implementing it is less than 0.000001% or so < 1250716385 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ago* < 1250716397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least less than 0.01% < 1250716403 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, since it's potentially dangerous for crashing the user < 1250716413 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/crashing/causing to quit/ < 1250716441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.000001%? So there are at least 100,000,000 clients. < 1250716483 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it's entirely useless... ACTION ponders. < 1250716492 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250716518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah I corrected that above < 1250716535 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250716538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, yet, no one implements it < 1250716542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250716546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost no one < 1250716550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chatzilla. < 1250716550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so useless in practise < 1250716554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, really ? < 1250716572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, yes. < 1250716574 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it turned out that they didn't actually support it, they just stopped dropping the whole message < 1250716585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1250716821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/user/whytheluckystiff and http://vimeo.com/why still exist < 1250716832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though they're both dead < 1250717012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Just noticed that the server (72.232.19.34) is still running. But its refusing connections on HTTP. Only ssh and postgres(!) ports are open.]] < 1250717023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not email then < 1250717045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :RIP chunky bacon 2005—2009 http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1250717094 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1250717106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Why the lucky stiff deleted all his online accounts and sites today. < 1250717123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(author of why's (poignant) guide to ruby and a whole bunch of other awesome LSD-tinged stuff) < 1250717134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as of yet, nobody knows why in the slightest < 1250717146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody really knows anything about the man, so nobody can try and find him < 1250717182 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1250717276 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm amused by the level of outcry in such a short time < 1250717279 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's become Amish. < 1250717295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: how's that amusing < 1250717312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's an international treasure, of course people care what's up with him < 1250717408 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reminds me of celebrity news < 1250717502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, people caring about other people uncharacteristically disappearing after saying things about what they do being thankless are all gossip-crazy < 1250717506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't we all become sociopaths < 1250717524 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, if madonna suddently disappeared from the face of the earth, that totally wouldn't make anything but celeb news < 1250717541 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(madonna because i just saw madonna's pic, probably) < 1250717549 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he was in the celeb news) < 1250717556 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err she < 1250717565 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i hate your pronouns < 1250717584 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's been the secretive type anyway: nobody knows his /name/ < 1250717624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "He's pseudonymous and doesn't reveal things about his personal life; therefore, to care about the man after him totally disappearing after the aforementioned tweet is gossip" < 1250717627 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia seems to. < 1250717644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: it's wrong < 1250717651 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet :P < 1250717658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the source is a wordpress blog that uses hostnames to establish it - < 1250717661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://whoiswhytheluckystiff.wordpress.com/ < 1250717669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and http://twitter.com/jgillette < 1250717679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the person in the right place, etc, who twat "hmm so who is _why the lucky stiff and why do people suddenly thing he's me?" < 1250717682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in conclusion, bull < 1250717694 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I didn't say caring about the man is gossip < 1250717710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, telling people about it is gossip? < 1250717740 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hundreds of people's speculations about what happened is gossip < 1250717788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read much speculation. < 1250717796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the exceedingly obvious guesses. < 1250717817 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He died! And his last action was to ... take down all his web sites? :P < 1250717855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead man's switches exist < 1250717860 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He joined the French Foreign Legion! And decided that so long as he's out there his web pages shouldn't exist. < 1250717862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i find that unlikely < 1250717885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i'm starting to see a pattern < 1250717888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's left the internet to don a fox suit and have sexual intercourse with layers upon layers of chunky bacon! < 1250717897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's taking a break... to become a SHE! < 1250717905 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the lucky stiff! < 1250717908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hahahahaha I hope that last one is true) < 1250717919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: That's why the lucky stiffETTE to YOU. < 1250717928 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stiffette" X-D < 1250718171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fun thing: even on my laptop, with intel cpu, gcc manages way better than icc at cfunge < 1250718171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one guess at cause: < 1250718172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :icc generates code to verify CPU is the correct one < 1250718184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, some overhead for short-running programs < 1250718188 0 :andi!n=jrw@port-92-206-219-174.dynamic.qsc.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250718216 0 :andi!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest89116 < 1250718265 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1250718323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1250718345 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAWL < 1250718355 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my retarded sister thinks she's a model < 1250718371 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.maxmodels.pl/freyaah.html lol'd hardly < 1250718373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hellp < 1250718375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello* < 1250718381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1250718434 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1250718512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what do you need hellp with? < 1250718514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi < 1250718516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi ehird, too < 1250718523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, spelling clearly < 1250718535 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough, p for o is a common typo < 1250718539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, an actually good AnMaster joke < 1250718560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you said that a few times before < 1250718570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you say it on average one time / three months < 1250718570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they're rare occasions < 1250718579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*occurrences < 1250718583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, IN YOUR OPINION! < 1250718584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1250718593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cast lvl 74 objectivity. < 1250718593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes I'm making a parody there) < 1250718603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You use your misreading skills to take it as objectivism. < 1250718611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You exploit me for your own capitalistic tendencies. < 1250718616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1250718617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The free market collapses. < 1250718625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reading intel docs
< 1250718629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realise your horrible, horrible mistake and cry yourself to sleep. < 1250718634 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is with why ? < 1250718640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next day, you jump off a bridge into a state-provided trampoline. < 1250718644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only then do you realise you made no mistakes. < 1250718647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are way way harder to read than amd docs < 1250718648 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that because he's identity was revealed? < 1250718652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You start a state of free market capitalism. < 1250718654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: no, because it wasn't. < 1250718658 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his* < 1250718668 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, what? < 1250718674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, remember I'm a socialist! < 1250718678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga is a gullible idiot, discuss < 1250718701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, define that word first ;P < 1250718706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1250718712 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.76.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250718713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1250718714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1250718718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : nooga is a gullible idiot, discuss < 1250718719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird, define that word first ;P < 1250718720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1250718720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://whoiswhytheluckystiff.wordpress.com/ < 1250718721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1250718723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jonathangillette.net/ < 1250718725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/jgillette < 1250718727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same place < 1250718729 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because language barrier you twat < 1250718731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the same person < 1250718737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1250718740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who know why's real name < 1250718744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirm that that's not it < 1250718747 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1250718757 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why why is gone? < 1250718769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I'll ask my crystal ball. < 1250718777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, it's a Magic 8 one. < 1250718785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ask again later". < 1250718790 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: CRACK IT OPEN AND DRINK THE BLUE FLUID INSIDE < 1250718794 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1250718797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE < 1250718802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you get ideas so AWESOME < 1250718813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1250718814 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask it if you should first :P < 1250718816 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it's tasty < 1250718860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://whoiswhytheluckystiff.wordpress.com/ <-- doesn't prove it. More than one people can exist on a single mail server. < 1250718860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: "VERY SUPER EXTRA YES" < 1250718871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: WHY CAN'T YOU READ MORE THAN ONE LINE AT A TIME < 1250718873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU >_< < 1250718881 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi i jonathan gillete and my mission is to shave! < 1250718885 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm* < 1250718889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But fyi, both USERNAMES were "why". < 1250718894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1250718896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVERTHELESS, not him. < 1250718901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the lines after which you ignored. < 1250718904 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1250718913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: using same computer, duh < 1250718924 0 :pingveno!n=quassel@c-24-21-252-237.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250718927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mean < 1250718927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sth < 1250718929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : people who know why's real name < 1250718929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : confirm that that's not it < 1250718929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250718930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1250718935 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yea < 1250718935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Also the ones after → < 1250718940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pingveno < 1250718944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't believe them < 1250718953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, why should they not try to say it isn't < 1250718958 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1250718964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what? < 1250718982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The person who sent that email *is not him*. < 1250718982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : confirm that that's not it < 1250718987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He does not look like him. < 1250718988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1250718994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so the email was a fake? < 1250718997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in both places? < 1250718997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......... < 1250719003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignoring the fact that you're an idiot, < 1250719011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there are multiple people who know why's name < 1250719019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, of course < 1250719019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, jonathan gillette isn't it < 1250719021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say that < 1250719034 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250719040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed. < 1250719048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why are you trying to confuse things here. < 1250719049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1250719051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :........ < 1250719056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How on earth am I doing that? < 1250719060 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Alevar < 1250719137 0 :Alevar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Alevar or Adevar sound better? < 1250719148 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how do you type that arrows? < 1250719167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some pref file. < 1250719171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alevar: Alevar. < 1250719173 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1250719175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alevar: who're you, anyway? < 1250719189 0 :Alevar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend of Gregor. < 1250719205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alevar: I prefer Alevar, I think < 1250719217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: → is altgr-i on this computer < 1250719235 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :←ow→ < 1250719241 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250719248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1250719263 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :altgr? < 1250719264 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250719264 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1250719286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, stop using a US keyboard? < 1250719295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is AltGr-i here too → < 1250719300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :←↓→↑ < 1250719301 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh < 1250719313 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have only alt ;p < 1250719318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :µ® < 1250719324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, left alt and right alt? < 1250719325 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apple < 1250719336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, oh mac. no clue < 1250719338 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1250719361 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :über üncool < 1250719372 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :∂.∂ < 1250719373 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the yui = ←↓→, U = ↑ thing; that's about the only mapped-to-alphabetical special I can remember, in addition to µ. < 1250719424 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :∆ < 1250719461 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :∆∂ = ∆v • k < 1250719463 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1250719485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ĸ is on k btw < 1250719494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is & on K? < 1250719501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& is on Shift-6 too < 1250719502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1250719507 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :… < 1250719512 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :§ < 1250719518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that your shift-6? < 1250719528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well § is on the key before 1 < 1250719529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1250719531 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a≠b < 1250719532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :§1234567890 < 1250719556 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌠ < 1250719558 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎮ < 1250719560 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⌡ < 1250719584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q is Ω < 1250719591 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga ∉ IDIOTS < 1250719606 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :√ < 1250719614 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but the ĸ in k is the useless ĸ; it's U+0138 "latin small letter kra (Greenlandic, old orthography)" and not the greek small letter kappa, κ, which at least has some use. < 1250719687 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it makes some sense that the keymap's latin-oriented and doesn't try to fit random Greek (or the Cyrillic ka, к) in there since it wouldn't be a good set anyway. < 1250719697 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :µ's sort of special since it's in latin-1. < 1250719760 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And indeed the µ generated by alt-gr m here is the latin-1 U+00B5 "micro sign" and not the greek letter mu. < 1250719782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I thought those µ where the same? < 1250719808 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the greek small letter mu is U+03BC. They do *look* the same, though. < 1250719854 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're the same the same way that a and а are the same < 1250719859 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike the greek capital sigma Σ and the n-ary summation operator ∑, which tend to look different. < 1250719868 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, they probably look identical in all fonts < 1250719875 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250719877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what were those two a? < 1250719884 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+that you're likely to be using on IRC < 1250719893 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing latin and cyrillic a's. < 1250719895 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow managed to press enter without completing my thought < 1250719899 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Without checking.) < 1250719926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sum and sigma do differ < 1250719928 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1250719930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this fonr < 1250719931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :font* < 1250719951 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1250720020 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They *were* the latin and cyrillic small letters a; do I win something? < 1250720066 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not from me, at least :-P < 1250720116 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250720124 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no other typically-identical-looking alphabets in Unicode that I'm aware of < 1250720240 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there are other exactly a-looking characters, no. There's the fullwidth latin small a, ａ, but that looks a bit different here. < 1250720250 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a lot different in the monospaced IRC font. < 1250720253 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ironically, it looks about halfsize here < 1250720262 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Both width and height) < 1250720304 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't have the necessary fonts to see the non-BMP lycian/carian/old italic/osmanya/lydian/kharoshthi letters a. < 1250720346 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None look anything like a. < 1250720397 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The carian and old italic look mainly like A, the others have unobvious similarities < 1250720439 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. Well, not too surprising. < 1250720535 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1250720622 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250721264 0 :Sneezle!n=marten@dyndsl-095-033-024-073.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250721754 0 :Alevar!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250722229 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1250722949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10313064-93.html / lol wut < 1250723066 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250723104 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1250723164 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250723194 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" wait, what??? did I miss a few years of tech?" // my thoughts exactly < 1250723258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wait, what‽ < 1250723261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I wish it actually changed the paper instead of being a lameo screen < 1250723270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The battery lasts for about 65 to 70 minutes, and can be recharged, believe it or not, with a mini USB cord--there's a jack on the back of it." < 1250723292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it turns on when it detects you flicked page to it < 1250723315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it's easy to hack. < 1250723353 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As do I < 1250723367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infiltrate distribution center, put porn on all of them < 1250723368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1250723368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :profit < 1250723387 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who needs profit when you've got porn? < 1250723408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the basis of economy was the obtaining of porn? < 1250723416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and thus, with porn one needs no profit) < 1250723423 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Porn is our fiat money. < 1250723439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You just revealed the source of the economic meltdown! < 1250723443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FREE PORN SITES. < 1250723449 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMG < 1250723451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dun dun DUUUUUUUUUUUUN* < 1250723457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, Ayn Rand! < 1250723458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Save us! < 1250723470 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD YOU JUST MADE THE PHRASE "AYN RAND PORN" JUMP INTO MY HEAD < 1250723473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250723479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: They were ANGULAR. < 1250723482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they RAPED each other. < 1250723483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Ayn Rand's principles would make things worse. < 1250723489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ENJOYED it, ANGULARLY. < 1250723491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No shit :P < 1250723494 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY PENIS JUST CLIMBED INTO MY BODY AND SAYS HE WON'T COME OUT AGAIN < 1250723500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250723502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO MORE COPYRIGHT!!! -> MOAR FREE PORN! < 1250723506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're like rabbits and stuff! < 1250723509 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: AAAGH < 1250723513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T ASK ME HOW I KNOW ABOUT RABBIT PENISES < 1250723520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ayn Rand wasn't against copyright per se < 1250723523 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: FURRY < 1250723525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just every law apart from, like, property < 1250723540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1250723546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ayn Rand was *that* sort of crazy. < 1250723552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: also, how do you know your penis' gender? < 1250723565 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have conversations. < 1250723573 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's very friendly! < 1250723575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be lying. < 1250723586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check to see if it has a penis or a vagina < 1250723587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf has happened to this channel? < 1250723587 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has a penis. < 1250723590 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is himself. < 1250723592 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: What kind of dick has a vagina? < 1250723596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's mind boggles
< 1250723598 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HI < 1250723599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look away for a few minutes, I look back, and see this... < 1250723603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What, penises? < 1250723603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi GregorR < 1250723620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, it isn't esolangs < 1250723629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, that's normal. < 1250723634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's ODD about it? < 1250723655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, I'm sure there's a #randomcrap on Freenode, or a channel to that extent < 1250723668 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1250723672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, making every channel the same topic is ridiculous < 1250723672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, another "why don't we cut 90% of the channel's discussion" tirade. < 1250723674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, ais523. < 1250723682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: channels are communities, not topics < 1250723687 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: THERE IS NOW < 1250723689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they're really big < 1250723696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the topic's what creates the community, though < 1250723712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and esolangs created his community < 1250723717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're very esolang people. < 1250723718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*this < 1250723725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We even discuss them when there's anything to discuss about them. < 1250723936 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : but really, making every channel the same topic is ridiculous <-- wait, is every channel about chunky bacon now? < 1250723964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Logread :P < 1250723967 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan just won a web. < 1250723971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which you presumably are.) < 1250724020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found the best blogspam ever < 1250724027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/18/analyst-apple-to-sell-80-million-iphones-in-2012-snag-5-7-of-total-mobile-phone-market/ "Apple to sell 80 million iPhones" < 1250724028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :becomes < 1250724031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://iphoneusernews.com/?p=1022 < 1250724036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :896 billion iPhones to be sold in 2012 < 1250724046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN < 1250724095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : god i hate your pronouns < 1250724104 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, she has legs like a man, anyway < 1250724124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is an expert on legs < 1250724135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE HAS SEEN MANY LEGS, MOSTLY MEN < 1250724260 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well with the singularity in 2012, obviously things will grow superexponentially until they are obsolete < 1250724273 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yessir < 1250724287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit optimistic timing :P < 1250724302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that yessir did _not_ refer to legs in any way, btw) < 1250724310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9c0gf/clojure_the_zombiereanimated_corpse_of_lisp/c0c7f1d < 1250724320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Loper OS guy is actually buying a real new Lisp Machine from Symbolics! < 1250724337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 70 pound ye olde machine. < 1250724352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :760 MB of ESDI disk! 4 megawords of memory! < 1250724357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"new"? i thought they were all old ones from storage? < 1250724363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But never used. < 1250724379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll cost him $675, it seems. < 1250724396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or more, if he's getting a better model than the base. < 1250724407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess a lisp machine is a certain kind of geek's equivalent of a cadillac < 1250724410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, looks like he's already bought it, just going to pick it up < 1250724428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's more like rickshaws being ubiquitous, and going to pick up a Model T < 1250724435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2009 < 1250724443 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rickshaws? < 1250724448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickshaw < 1250724457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what a rickshaw is < 1250724484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp machines are dated technology, but their concepts are much, much better than modern machines < 1250724508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1250724552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :were he of the more rich type, he could buy a $3,500 XL1201 < 1250724579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would come with 8 megawords (40MB) of RAM, a 9GB SCSI (zomg, technology that's actually still used) disk, and a 19" monochrome display. < 1250724596 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i implement IPC, task schleduling and distributed filesystem in a program that can run on multiple machines at the same time but in user space and communicates via network... can i call it distributed operating system ? < 1250724598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(among other stuff) < 1250724603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: no. < 1250724606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it Squeak < 1250724615 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, there are such things < 1250724616 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1250724621 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squeak is a VM < 1250724638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is your program < 1250724657 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250724660 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not lilke JVM < 1250724668 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the other king of VM < 1250724670 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind* < 1250724676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Squeak. < 1250724680 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like PVM < 1250724683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Squeak. < 1250724684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like JVM. < 1250724686 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Limbo < 1250724689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Squeak. < 1250724691 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no < 1250724696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squeak is an OS that runs in user-space. < 1250724697 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Limbo, like Inferno < 1250724709 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250724713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squeak is an OS that runs in user-space. < 1250724718 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1250724722 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it distributed? < 1250724725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1250724733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It claims to be an implementation of Smalltalk. < 1250724784 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i want is a thing that could run simple processes under unix systems and control them throught the network < 1250724794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh? < 1250724803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your idea will fail, nooga, because it assumes the network is infinitely fast. < 1250724806 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with schleduler and IPC < 1250724819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you have a very semantically rich language with a very good implementation, almost all time will be taken doing useless network bounces. < 1250724826 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: haha, some uses don't need fast IPC < 1250724840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, automatic distribution Doesn't Work < 1250724845 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when things don't need to be realtime and strictly synchronized < 1250724848 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like um < 1250724852 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rendering < 1250724864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga < 1250724874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automatic distribution Doesn't Work™ for much the same reason automatic parallelism Doesn't Work™. < 1250724877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :distributed computing only works when doing it manually, for now < 1250724882 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1250724886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your idea is impossible without new, as of yet undiscovered languages < 1250724889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on new, as of yet undiscovered compilers < 1250724898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :protip: you haven't revolutionised CS, so it won't work. < 1250724899 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or sentient computers. < 1250724917 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so applications for that would be written in C using special library and programmer would have to manage own shit in the right way to get it parallel < 1250724945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Why oh why use C if you're going to be on top of a VM? < 1250724957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Abstract away the machine so I can unabstract it!" < 1250724961 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because C is portable < 1250724972 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Your VM is portable. < 1250724991 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C programs will run on the most OSes used as execution environments < 1250724994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And C is only portable in comparison to assembly. < 1250724998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes *work* to port. < 1250725002 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1250725015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, nooga is such an idiot < 1250725024 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1250725037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why the crap do you want to write in C on top of a VM? That either defeats the point of a VM or the point of C. < 1250725038 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java is more portable than C, allright < 1250725043 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's FUCKING slow < 1250725054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looooooooool < 1250725056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: you're an idiot < 1250725058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java is super fast < 1250725063 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1250725064 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1250725065 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Actually, Java is not very slow. < 1250725071 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is just very memory-inefficient. < 1250725077 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1250725078 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1250725081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, actually. < 1250725087 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not as a rule, but as a property of common Java coding style) < 1250725094 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check out the Java OS < 1250725096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only flaw the java vm has is startup time < 1250725110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my complaint is with Java coders, not the JVM. < 1250725121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it went < 1250725127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : common java stereotype < 1250725132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : actually, it's other common java stereotype < 1250725139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ohh yeah it's actually that completely different thing. < 1250725153 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what i mean < 1250725193 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Writing in C on a VM is just an exercise in masochism, unless you're doing something like LLVM. < 1250725213 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean a VM in that sense! < 1250725239 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you mean the sense that is not a virtual machine? < 1250725239 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean something like: I've got 9000 machiunes with linux instgalled, i want to share processes between them < 1250725250 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and spawn 9000 processes now < 1250725254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to stab nooga until he can't use IRC. True story. < 1250725274 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a tool that will do ICP between these systems and execute the processes for me < 1250725291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that's not even *vaguely* a VM. Or automatic distribution. < 1250725291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PVM, by the way, is usable for beowulf clusters; little else. < 1250725299 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i don't have time to manually spawn 9000 processes on 9000 machines by loogin onto them via ssh < 1250725301 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1250725302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's single system image clustering. < 1250725321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's fucking old. < 1250725328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: uh < 1250725330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so write a shell script < 1250725336 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now add few fancy things like load balancing and communication via internet and you're done < 1250725340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for i in $(seq 1 9000); do ssh machine$i fuck; done < 1250725346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: the internet is SLOW < 1250725346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: That's single system image clustering. < 1250725347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and UNRELIABLE < 1250725359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacies_of_Distributed_Computing < 1250725360 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ a terminal that'd let me to enter: run myprogram.c < 1250725362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read these and internalise them < 1250725363 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is absurdly old. < 1250725364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are false < 1250725366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours assumes most < 1250725384 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And doesn't work well at all unless you've got gigabit Ethernet going. < 1250725386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, #1, #2, #3, #7 < 1250725393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "internet" < 1250725397 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on a tash < 1250725398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wants to do this over the internet. < 1250725400 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :task < 1250725401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatically. < 1250725407 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That's fucking insane. < 1250725423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: stop defending your idea, it's wrong and has been tried before, when people were more stupid < 1250725426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Computers don't work that way. < 1250725438 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1250725442 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1250725460 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the renderer works 3 hours and produces 5MB of data i need < 1250725480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distributed renderers are specially written with carefully placed manual networking, AND THEY AREN'T USED OVER THE INTERNET. < 1250725483 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to spawn 9000 renderers on sevveral machines < 1250725485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're used over gigabit ethernet or better. < 1250725492 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then collect results in ANY order < 1250725496 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you do < 1250725497 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1250725497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a fucking pony. < 1250725498 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1250725504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pony that can fly. < 1250725507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I do? < 1250725518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I'd set up a Condor cluster. < 1250725524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe BOINC. < 1250725535 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1250725538 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOINC is cool < 1250725545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. BOINC software is HAND-WRITTEN. < 1250725551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And very carefully distributes workloads. < 1250725552 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1250725553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manually. < 1250725564 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never said anything about automatic parallelism < 1250725592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...then? < 1250725620 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't stop blabbering about hand written manually shit < 1250725643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what you want is not a "virtual machine". That shit's a "library". < 1250725658 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's already been done. Several times. < 1250725666 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1250725668 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that < 1250725678 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i didn;t say it's a virtual machine < 1250725682 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, you could not call this library an operating system. < 1250725683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :........ < 1250725686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said "VM VM VM VM VM VM" < 1250725700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you meant "very, mmmm...retarded" < 1250725712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a daemon and a library. < 1250725718 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: if i implement IPC, task schleduling and distributed filesystem in a program that can run on multiple machines at the same time but in user space and communicates via network... can i call it distributed operating system ? < 1250725720 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:29 ehird: (among other stuff) < 1250725722 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:30 ehird: nooga: no. < 1250725724 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:30 ehird: call it Squeak < 1250725726 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:30 nooga: yea, there are such things < 1250725728 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:30 nooga: sure < 1250725730 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:30 nooga: squeak is a VM < 1250725732 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read carefully < 1250725732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:48] ehird: Unless you meant "very, mmmm...retarded" < 1250725732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:48] pikhq: It's a daemon and a library. < 1250725733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:48] nooga: nooga: if i implement IPC, task schleduling and distributed filesystem in a program that can run on multiple machines at the same time but in user space and communicates via network... can i call it distributed operating system ? < 1250725733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:48] nooga: 00:29 ehird: (among other stuff) < 1250725733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:48] nooga: 00:30 ehird: nooga: no. < 1250725735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:48] nooga: 00:30 ehird: call it Squeak < 1250725737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:48] nooga: 00:30 nooga: yea, there are such things < 1250725739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:48] nooga: 00:30 nooga: sure < 1250725741 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:31 < nooga> kind* < 1250725741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whee, fun flood for the whole family! < 1250725743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's quite old things! < 1250725744 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it's the other kind of VM < 1250725747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1250725765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's the other kind of VM: Vomiting Monsters" < 1250725798 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is PVM a VM ? < 1250725801 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1250725816 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a daemon and a library < 1250725822 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it called PVM ? < 1250725836 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUESS WHAT? NOBODY KNOWS! < 1250725856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw, "If the person does participate in the wiki, a link to their user page is acceptable, but it should be obvious where the link leads; i.e., the "User:" part of the link should not be hidden" - do we know why this rule exists or why it's beneficial? it just makes the sentence more awkward and harder to read < 1250725871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it's just another one of graue's whims, like "categories are sacred and must never be created!" < 1250725902 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ekhm < 1250726034 0 :oklokok!n=oklopol@a91-153-125-186.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1250726050 0 :jix!n=jix@188-193-95-175-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250726107 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny thing < 1250726115 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that first line i almost described PVM < 1250726135 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it's not a real VM! i know that, remember that) < 1250726147 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just called VM < 1250726208 0 :Guest89116!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1250726244 0 :Guest89116!n=jrw@port-92-206-219-174.dynamic.qsc.de JOIN :#esoteric