< 1250901059 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-32-196.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1250901409 0 :Gracenotes_!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1250901807 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250901995 0 :Gracenotes_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gracenotes < 1250902006 0 :sebbu3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1250903721 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250904667 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 148 (No route to host) < 1250906105 0 :jix!n=jix@188-193-95-175-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250906350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is my 5,113rd day on the planet. < 1250906381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In approximately 8 hours, it will be my 122,721st hour on this planet. < 1250906489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, it's my birthday. < 1250906525 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1250906554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd buy you a cake but you'd just eat it. < 1250906569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I might have sex with it first. < 1250906575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, I'm not legal yet. < 1250906583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's two years until that happens. :P < 1250906651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it feel to know you'll be intercoursing vigorously 24/7 in just two years < 1250906666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i sort of doubt that < 1250906679 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna bet < 1250906691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sure, how much < 1250906699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EHIRD'S VIRGINITY, PLACE YOUR BETS NOW < 1250906715 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, i'm not sure about the 24/7 part < 1250906736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet £50 I'll be a virgin when I turn 17 < 1250906751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(16 being the consenterent) < 1250906769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you want to bet on when you'll be losing your virginity, sure, as long as the amount is not enough to make you turn a chick down :P < 1250906798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nothing over £2000 < 1250906830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what if it's enough to make me turn a guy down < 1250906832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR AN ANIMAL < 1250906834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or my hand) < 1250906845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i'm in. assuming we're both still here, and one of us remembers < 1250906857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is preparing for extremely early onset alzheimer's < 1250906867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, hand doesn't count < 1250906871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want it to < 1250906883 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oklopol, i wanked today, how would you like your share?" < 1250906893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have been a joke oklopol < 1250906913 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, sure, i just wanted to make my own stupider one. < 1250906927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can't turn an animal down, they're too cuddly < 1250906944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeeeeeeeeeeeees < 1250906952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol clearly knows a lot about fucking animals < 1250906954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what's your bet < 1250906957 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, umm, is the bet on now < 1250906975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't bet an amount, dick < 1250906981 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 is okay < 1250906988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 50 £ in eur < 1250906990 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 UK£ = 57.4776786 Euros < 1250906998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure thing bro < 1250906998 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should probably choose one of those < 1250907003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pounds < 1250907005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait oklopol < 1250907008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i get a sex change < 1250907013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define "virginity", precisely < 1250907017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm also preparing for extremely early onset inflation < 1250907025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1250907051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting fucked / fucking someone / maybe blowjob done to you? < 1250907059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bill clinton disagrees < 1250907078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking being the act of entering, here < 1250907106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some prefer to use the asymmetry to convey the active fucker < 1250907131 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In mere hours my wonderful yeasty friends have built quite bit of pressure! < 1250907142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about handjobs, how do they factor in eh < 1250907143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT ABOUT TELEPORTING INTO SOMEONE'S STOMACH < 1250907154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even vagina, does that count as entering < 1250907154 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: are you talking about ehird's virginity or your soda beer? < 1250907157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never entered, just appeared < 1250907162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what's the difference < 1250907172 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote GregorR: are you talking about ehird's virginity or your soda beer? < 1250907173 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :74| GregorR: are you talking about ehird's virginity or your soda beer? < 1250907182 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: some say a chick fucks a dude if she's doing the moving < 1250907187 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: My hobo rum. < 1250907187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1250907192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant < 1250907196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[02:12] oklopol: GregorR: are you talking about ehird's virginity or your soda beer? < 1250907202 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1250907209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1250907210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[02:12] ehird: what about handjobs, how do they factor in eh < 1250907210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[02:12] ehird: WHAT ABOUT TELEPORTING INTO SOMEONE'S STOMACH < 1250907211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[02:12] ehird: or even vagina, does that count as entering < 1250907212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i like totally agree < 1250907214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressing questions < 1250907222 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am fine with leaving teleporting unspecified < 1250907228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll go to court < 1250907230 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that happens < 1250907250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate ambiguity < 1250907260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say if you get a handjob, you've lost it, if you give a handjob, then not... really anything involving your special parts. < 1250907294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if someone causes me to spontaneously orgasm, on purpose < 1250907295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mentally < 1250907299 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1250907334 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not, i'm fine with considering that self-afflicted < 1250907351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's not technically true in the case of magical mind control < 1250907367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what if the singularity happens and i give someone a reference to my absolute-joy method < 1250907369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they call it < 1250907377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that method reference part of my "private parts" < 1250907380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering i no longer have a body < 1250907385 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1250907392 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's definitely losing it < 1250907431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway aren't there standards for this stuff, i don't want to go through all this hassle everytime i bet on someone's virginity :| < 1250907438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what if they discover a security flaw and call it against my permission, that's basically rape right < 1250907459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, but i'd say that counts < 1250907487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this just an elaborate set up to rape me < 1250907506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well clearly you must want it if you're going to pay me for it! < 1250907513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1250907568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i just want to know exactly when and how you lose your virginity? < 1250907572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: anyway submit an RFC < 1250907578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to define virgin < 1250907623 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like something that might offend someone < 1250907630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru dat < 1250907641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's trivial to save up £50 < 1250907651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU SAYING US PEOPLE WITHOUT GENITALIA CAN'T LOSE OUR VIRGINITY WHEN WE HAVE STORY SEX? < 1250907654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, eh, you're on < 1250907667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hmm that's a point, what if i lose my sex organs < 1250907673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get prosthetic, mechanic ones < 1250907680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., cyborg penis < 1250907683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you win. in fact i'll pay you 60 out of pity. < 1250907689 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1250907699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which way did i bet again < 1250907702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks < 1250907707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that you *do* have sex < 1250907707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1250907710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i'll pay < 1250907721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I pay you < 1250907721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cyborg penis huh < 1250907723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I have sex < 1250907760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but if you lose your sex organs then you don't have sex; except for cyborg penis... i'm not sure what to say about that < 1250907770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well does a penis transplant count < 1250907788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say yes, obviously < 1250907793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some guys turn gay receivers when they lose their genitalia, just to be able to have at least some sorta sex < 1250907802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well does a penis transplant count < 1250907827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say it counts < 1250907847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so, we accept that the genitalia used do not have to be what i currently have < 1250907867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say "whatever you count as your primary sex organ", but then again even if you consider that to be your middle finger, and you still have your penis... < 1250907867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if a cyborg penis is the same general shape, in the same place, and does much the same I/O to my brain < 1250907871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it counts < 1250907884 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'm old-fashioned that way, i'd say the penis is still what determines virginity < 1250907901 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or ass :P < 1250907911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i spontaneously grow a vagina. < 1250907935 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do realize this could go on forever :D < 1250907948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's important! < 1250907976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, very. but you know graph theory < 1250907979 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to read it < 1250907989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, just answer the vag question < 1250908080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you spontaneously grow a vagina, using it for vaginal purposes will lead yo losing your virginity. < 1250908085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, this is a tricky issue again < 1250908098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I penetrate someone with my anus < 1250908132 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, say you get a rimjob, i wouldn't say you've lost your virginity. but i might say that if you do the same thing with your vag... assuming the less strict definition that allows things like blowjobs < 1250908135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh oklopol? eh? < 1250908161 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anus penetration, huh. < 1250908178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anetration < 1250908189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...could you just, you know, maybe not do that? < 1250908215 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would've be able to learn such a zen skill in just three years < 1250908232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i take that as a challenge < 1250908237 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1250908245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to go now :) < 1250908247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1250908411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu did you give me a graphical environment < 1250908412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuuuuuuck you < 1250908491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no < 1250908495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a graphical startup < 1250908536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1250908541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, wtf :P < 1250908544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing graphical but the splashscreen! < 1250908563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks forwards to when splashscreens have 3D animation < 1250908588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks forward to when no splashscreens exist < 1250908701 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250908885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :ehird is so awesome that we're wishing him happy birthday in the topic http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1250908933 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :party, Sgeo! < 1250908937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean real party < 1250908940 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird's birthday party < 1250908944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,o/ < 1250908947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1250908949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o, < 1250908952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/!!! < 1250908989 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :party boy killed by three clubs in face < 1250908992 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy birthday ehird! < 1250909002 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol oklo < 1250909008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not technically 14 yet, so this feels kind of hollow < 1250909045 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because of the time, or because you gave a wrong date? < 1250909047 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think back when i was 14, i still had some sorta birthday parties, like went out drinking < 1250909073 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after 16, i've usually just ignored all human contact as much as possible and hoped no one notices < 1250909105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually lie my birthday is in a few weeks here a bit before my birthday just in case someone remembers when i have it < 1250909108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 10am < 1250909111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta thing < 1250909112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 10:30 < 1250909117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're like "oh it's not yet" < 1250909132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never had a birthday party < 1250909141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to hell with kids :P < 1250909165 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1250909211 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to feign being social all the time when i was your age < 1250909232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's why i'm such a fucking retard now < 1250909241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1250909242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're awesom < 1250909243 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should've spent that time learning < 1250909243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1250909266 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm not, i suck at the important things. < 1250909273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which i mean math < 1250909330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does your mom < 1250909331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fucking snap < 1250909715 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mom does suck at math < 1250909718 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does my father < 1250909729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite my ongoing efforts to explain to them that math isn't about numbers < 1250909766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: xD < 1250909816 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a bad thing to play a WoW clone, is it? < 1250909827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1250909831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my irl friends play wow < 1250909834 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 24/7 < 1250909836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and d&d < 1250909849 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, as opposed to actual WoW. < 1250909856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how can I reset my xorg config to default < 1250909860 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to try Runes of Magic < 1250909860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the file somewhere < 1250909868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it backed it up < 1250910150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1250910160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf{.20090822042059,} < 1250910162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf{.20090822042059,} < 1250910164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot the error < 1250910451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you deleted the new copy as well as the old one < 1250910479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... why didn't you just use mv? < 1250910700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in da hizzouse < 1250910706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: stupidity < 1250911645 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1250914273 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Creamsoda_3ltr.jpg lawl < 1250914286 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their picture of cream soda is an Irish brand labeled "American Cream Soda" < 1250914294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250914298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like water < 1250914323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's 3L? < 1250914815 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does your cream soda look like? Caramel-colored? (Both exist here) < 1250914835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never seen any ;| < 1250914865 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1250914881 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting that the USA is the Mecca of soda :P < 1250914889 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US invented it. < 1250914892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have all t3h soda. < 1250914903 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for Japanese soda. < 1250914908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mmm, Ramune) < 1250914996 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ever had red cream soda? < 1250915006 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. Big Red or Barq's Red Cream Soda) < 1250915019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's ramune < 1250915031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :googling suggests it's lemonade in a fucked up bottle < 1250915045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free marble tho < 1250915075 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Highly not-recommended to retrieve the marble. < 1250915096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1250915113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Yes. It is quite delicious. < 1250915125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... the marble? oh, red thing < 1250915129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's not lemonade. It's a vaguely lemony soda. < 1250915141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not recom to retrv marbl < 1250915149 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to break the bottle to do so. < 1250915162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what < 1250915168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drink it, break bottle, \o/ marble \o/!!!!! < 1250915184 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And \o/ glass shards \o/ < 1250915219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's glass? < 1250915220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just cut it. < 1250915294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1250915381 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you couldn't guess, /me is attempting cream soda now. < 1250915634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omnomnom. < 1250916678 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1250917252 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250918619 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r01snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1250919775 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1250919802 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was awesome, then it was sad < 1250919844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better < 1250927209 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1250927240 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote the first GameBoy software I wrote today. < 1250927250 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also copy my character-sheet into the computer today. < 1250927271 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1250927401 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250927693 0 :oklokok!n=oklopol@dsl-tkubrasgw1-feb0df00-6.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1250927999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1250928000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1250928119 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250928140 0 :oklokok!n=oklopol@a91-153-125-186.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1250928747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1250928981 0 :zbrown!n=suifur@unaffiliated/zbrown JOIN :#esoteric < 1250930622 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-9.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1250933582 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-9-121.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250935564 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250936031 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250936593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I tried outside in direct sunlight today. Hard to read, but still not impossible if at brightest setting. Impossible to read at 70% brightness in direct sunlight < 1250936617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also depends on exact viewing angle it seems < 1250936973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9d1zo/planar_the_other_nethack_ai_built_on_taeb/ < 1250937520 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1250937528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1250937546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I posted a draft version of it in ##nomic earlier < 1250937553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now it's up, it'll be easier to refer to < 1250937592 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what's this in the topic involving ehird being awesome? < 1250937605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if ehird set that topic < 1250937616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it was ehird < 1250937624 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would do it < 1250937632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :ehird is so awesome that he wished himself happy birthday in the topic http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1250938913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1250938917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1250938982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what was the previous topic? < 1250939005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ehird is so awesome that we're wishing him happy birthday in the topic http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D" < 1250939016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1250939035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't he realise he now forced me to not wish him happy bday < 1250939066 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly e doesn't < 1250939079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't* yeah < 1250939213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it /is/ his birthday? < 1250940815 0 :Halph!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250940821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I guess so < 1250940873 0 :Halph!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250945485 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@82.182.180.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250947796 0 :jix!n=jix@188-193-95-175-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250948039 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1250948104 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250949878 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1250953172 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1250955592 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250957198 0 :ehird!n=root@91.105.82.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250957214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed I am < 1250957217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning america < 1250957226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*did, not am < 1250957274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so how old will people accuse you of being in arguments now? < 1250957281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 < 1250957287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how old are you actually? < 1250957294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, 14 < 1250957303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250957312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's expecting a surprising level of intelligence from people who resort to ad hominem attacks < 1250957315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess augur nught not notice or something < 1250957319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :D < 1250957322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*might < 1250957329 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ad hominems are fun for everyone < 1250957337 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the meanest street rat to the most erudite savant < 1250957356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: no they're not because fuck you :P < 1250957357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: you're just saying that because your nickname starts with a capital letter! < 1250957374 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have numbers in your nick, what kind of gaylord has numbers in their name < 1250957380 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO MY MUMMY CALLED ME SEVEN < 1250957383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gay one < 1250957392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9d1zo/planar_the_other_nethack_ai_built_on_taeb/ < 1250957414 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody made a nethack AI? < 1250957422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: yes, many people working together < 1250957425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, it isn't finished yet < 1250957429 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it work, try to be pacifist? < 1250957433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including ais < 1250957447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Planar is mostly mine, and partly sorear's; the framework has many more contributors < 1250957466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and NetHack AIs are rarely pacifist, although Planar's more cautious of monsters than most < 1250957468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: let's hope that link works < 1250957482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why would you think it wouldn't? < 1250957483 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i realised how stupid that was when i said it < 1250957497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, with this computer, rather < 1250957553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: does it have a working web browser? < 1250957580 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 34k is the maximum score, how do the scores distribute? < 1250957584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it's running as root on a 500 mhz ar4m < 1250957585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arm < 1250957636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its sort of slow < 1250957639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: http://alt.org/nethack/player-top.php?player=TAEB523 is a sample of the games it's played online, I haven't been saving scores locally < 1250957659 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it quits a lot < 1250957669 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are those when you aborted it < 1250957670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's me quitting it, either to test something else or because it's hit a bug < 1250957798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and it's firefox, so that just compounds it on such slow hardware < 1250957813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, use something like epiphany instead, or even w3m < 1250957825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which shows images by spawning a separate viewer < 1250957830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you select them < 1250957888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I can't install anytghing atm < 1250957902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1250957907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but firefox is on there by default? < 1250957920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1250957990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as well as an iffy piece of software that uses a gprs modem to contact a windows server running IE or something which sends back a compressed, low-colour image < 1250958002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they communicate text field editings and clickings. < 1250958012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what device is this? < 1250958018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the worst ogram's ive seenpr < 1250958028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm it ius a pretty bad orgasm, but a program too < 1250958147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a devicey device < 1250958313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs icewm! < 1250958315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...as root < 1250958321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a weird device < 1250958324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have any other users? < 1250958342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1250958344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not afaik < 1250958347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll checj < 1250958379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also comes with pidgin < 1250958385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is the device? < 1250958413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it has other users, but they're not for human use < 1250958431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is it an embedded device? < 1250958433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including, bemusingly, www-data < 1250958446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: depends on your definition of embedded; it's running X < 1250958451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm conversing with it < 1250958468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the device's intended function? < 1250958476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this, I guess < 1250958477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, in this case I meant something like a phone, PDA, robot controller or whatever < 1250958501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I'm meant to be outside of wifi range, usign their awful gprs IEcompressed browser thing < 1250958532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, brand? model? < 1250958534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I mean, is it a phone? or some sort of cordless internet tablet? or what? < 1250958555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nothing you would have heard of; nothing *I've* heard of < 1250958575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not either; closer to the second < 1250958646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is it some portable device? < 1250958650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you own it? < 1250958650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a screen that is connected to it; the screen is part of it rather than something I have connected. < 1250958671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, where/how did you find/get/steal/whatever it? < 1250958680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: (1) Yes; as implied by [a] gprs, [b] "out of wifi range", < 1250958708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) Yes, unless I stole it from a sentient couch-hobo hybrid and later forgot about it < 1250958717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible. < 1250958742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right, just wanted to confirm that. I once saw a public info screen in a museum with an error saying it couldn't connect to the AP < 1250958757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, gprs... < 1250958758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1250958768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, by observing error messages and job offers, I've concluded that around here, the busses run Windows and the trains run Linux < 1250958773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so where did you get it from? < 1250958781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? < 1250958788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I am uncertain. < 1250958793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: even worse, the busses are running Windows /2000/ < 1250958803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe you *did* forget it then < 1250958810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't conclude what version of the various bits of Linux the trains were running, though < 1250958819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um. In the brake controlling system or what? < 1250958820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1250958828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, for the entertainment < 1250958833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1250958843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't trust a bus's brakes to Windows 2000 < 1250958848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nor would I < 1250958849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1250958850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I have not, as far as I remember, forgotten. < 1250958856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, :D < 1250958859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they have little screens which show adverts and things like weather forecasts and puzzles < 1250958874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are basically Powerpoints in a loop, except that the Windows one works via IE (I'm not sure how the Linux one works) < 1250958898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues the perilous process of loading the tunes logs on this thing < 1250958905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might run out of its RAM; all 128MB of it. < 1250958908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: did you manage to load my link? < 1250958925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then its swap space on the lavish 1024 megabyte SSD! < 1250958939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the reddit link, yes; I will load the blogspot link now < 1250958992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: OK, that's quite a big SSD; my third-year project was on a Linux device with 128MB RAM but 64MB SSD space < 1250958997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The log list redirects to /~lar1/logs while it is loading. Anyone else having this problem? < 1250959005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: As I said; lavish! < 1250959013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unusual to have something with more memory than disk space... < 1250959043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we decided a swap partition was probably a bad idea < 1250959048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha. < 1250959058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fonts on this are very crisp and pretty. < 1250959133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hint: I am, in fact, using a real keyboard. < 1250959140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:47:20 I wrote the first GameBoy software I wrote today. < 1250959150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had fun parsing that sentence < 1250959152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo, master of tautologies < 1250959160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it's ambiguous < 1250959165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only tautologous one way round < 1250959176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other way around it's inv alid < 1250959196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I had loaded the blogspot link; just forgot. Will read after tunes. < 1250959223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is it a netbook of some sort? < 1250959261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you. :P < 1250959274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is? < 1250959278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what model and such < 1250959285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why so locked down < 1250959328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ubisurf"; it's quite thoroughly cheap and is marketed on the "Free unholy GPRS internet (*30 hours/mo)" thing. < 1250959336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not locked down, I'm root! < 1250959354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true. Badly designed though < 1250959361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even has an xterm in the customised menu. < 1250959392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to boot into Damn Small Linux soon via a 1GB SD card plugged into a USB printer/scanner/whatever < 1250959404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No USB stick and my USB SD card reader doesn't work :D < 1250959430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The screen is 7", which sounds smaller than it looks. < 1250959480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION keeps hitting the touchpad-click tap accidentally. < 1250959492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to try and boot into DSL. Save any messages for then. < 1250959497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1250960741 0 :ehird!n=root@91.105.82.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250960754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh, no BIOS, of course. < 1250960782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to help me boot via USB on an ARM machine? :-) < 1250960872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange and unknown platform! Thrilling! Anyone? :P < 1250960898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...hmm, I wrote an x86 image anyway. < 1250960900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid am I. < 1250960955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know a livecd type thingy that supports ARM? :-\ < 1250961080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :several distros support ARM < 1250961085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both Debian and Ubuntu do, I think < 1250961090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably they have LiveCD versions < 1250961103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is in the presumably clause < 1250961116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1250961123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, ubuntu doesn;t support PPC; are you sure it does ARM? Besides, Ubuntu isntalls in like 4GB < 1250961130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 1 < 1250961143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian doesn't have a livecd afaik < 1250961156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a livecd-based installer < 1250961263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is all academic unless I can actually get it to boot from USB, though < 1250961296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, wow, this system comes with Gnash < 1250961321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow as in it doesn't actually work for anything but simple flash games, so why did they bother/ < 1250961335 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1250961373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm just surprised, since nobody at all knows what Gnash is; and indeed it's not very useful < 1250961385 0 :Halph!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250961415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and Google wrote an SVG renderer in Flash, in the hope of making SVG catch on more < 1250961435 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1250961440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parting and rejoining to try and regain my text cursor... < 1250961442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1250961452 0 :Halph!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :coppro < 1250961476 0 :ehird!n=root@91.105.82.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250961492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I miss, if anything? < 1250961523 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-08-22 19:17:32 --> Halph is now known as coppro < 1250961539 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I.e. nowt.) < 1250961540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting < 1250961565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: nowt is a british term; you are not allowed to use it if you are not british < 1250961568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cease and desist immediately < 1250961720 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1250961782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i will sue you in a court of lwa in trenton, new jersey < 1250961784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in capital letters < 1250961790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*law < 1250961838 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What will you charge me with, I wonder < 1250961864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using "nowt" while not being british < 1250962100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's in the first hour of jan 1 1970 < 1250962104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: AnMaster: < 1250962106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knew?! < 1250962144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: misspelling "law" rather removes the effect < 1250962205 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using "nowt" falls under freedom of speech; your lawsuit will fizzle < 1250962223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But will it fizzie < 1250962249 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it will ehird < 1250962269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Maybe it will, ehird." < 1250962272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Maybe it will." < 1250962288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how my CPU meter maxes out visiting simple web pages < 1250962325 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It somewhat sucks that these days you can't intentionally state something like that in writing, since people will just assume you fail at commas < 1250962356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was joking. < 1250962376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "Maybe it will " is... very rarely semantic. < 1250962385 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you were < 1250962393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(semantic, adj. having, of or in relation to semantics) < 1250962408 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are (presumably) other, more sensible cases, though < 1250962447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like? < 1250962464 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, hence "presumably" < 1250962474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The certificate chain presented for nexus.passport.com is not valid." < 1250962479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, Pidgin, I don't care < 1250962484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just let me connect to MSN :( < 1250962673 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250962678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there an unfixed known security hole in Pidgin's MSN library atm? < 1250962721 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers receiving an update for something along those lines, so how is it unfixed? < 1250962759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I really don't care < 1250962782 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, pidgin-facebookchat is awesome < 1250962798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1250962847 0 :ehird!n=root@91.105.82.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250962853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses "HTTP method" < 1250962855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dun dun dun < 1250962856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to connect < 1250962860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i miss anything < 1250962864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also by connect, i mean to msn < 1250962871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--> ehird has joined this channel (n=root@91.105.82.86). < 1250962889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that device is just going around broadcasting "I know nothing of security" to everything it connects to < 1250962923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the http method didn't work :( < 1250962928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :) < 1250962940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can stop calling it a device now, I revealed what it is < 1250963007 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically you could rename "root" to "admin" and then just create a user account called "root" < 1250963040 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfectly valid. < 1250963101 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just have ident or whatever lie? < 1250963101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, someone help me boot via USB on this thing < 1250963143 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finding the optimal Funge code to push a given number is tricky :-/ < 1250963188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also impossible? < 1250963200 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would it be impossible < 1250963214 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't brute-force ultimately work? < 1250963216 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's possible < 1250963222 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not efficiently, but well < 1250963244 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like you could just do every program bigger and bigger until you find the smallest that does that < 1250963262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: halting problem < 1250963273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do it given infinite time < 1250963277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1250963300 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird : Well, he's looking for the most efficient one < 1250963303 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need infinite time, there are trivial upper bounds on the length of the generating program < 1250963321 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's both a program you know exist, halts and is of small size < 1250963364 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could set a maximum run time < 1250963378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: then it may be suboptimal < 1250963379 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivial lower bounds on the length are also calculatable, of course (but not very helpful) < 1250963384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is trivial stuff guys < 1250963397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why would root need to be the actual interactive user on it? < 1250963398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the poitn is that you cant bruteforce it < 1250963400 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, in terms of characters, maybe < 1250963404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because any given program might not halt < 1250963423 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would make sense to optimize for both characters and run time < 1250963430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't know whether it's infinilooping or taking 500 years to produce the number < 1250963432 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, let's interject here and specify the problem a bit more to what I was thinking (and have been doing) < 1250963436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're all dense < 1250963441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it does not have to be. < 1250963445 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird : If it takes 500 years, is it really optimal? < 1250963457 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use only: '"*+-/: and the numbers [0-9a-f] < 1250963458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for the upgrades; they're shell scripts < 1250963461 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, it may be optimal in terms of amount of code. < 1250963465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Optimal for characters, obviously < 1250963470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: well that is trivial < 1250963487 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is probably pointless so that can be lost < 1250963494 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er < 1250963498 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you could just find a random program of such length, set it as the maximum, and run every smaller programs at the same time < 1250963502 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^/\/ / < 1250963510 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you could do it in finite time < 1250963514 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Do tell < 1250963519 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, optimizing for runtime instead of characters? < 1250963526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: uhh it's just like the and < 1250963537 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, optimizing for runtime could have infinite length I guess < 1250963542 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The and? :-p < 1250963543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: bruteforce it; chips are fast < 1250963548 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I've tried; they're not < 1250963559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APART FROM THIS CHIP < 1250963563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO < 1250963572 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I fail at bruteforcing < 1250963580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe your mom fails at brute forcing < 1250963581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250963587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me an example lower/upper bounds < 1250963594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bruteforcing has failed at < 1250963648 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for instance let's pick the number 20000 < 1250963659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an upper bound in characters? < 1250963659 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or let's not < 1250963661 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's pick 19999 < 1250963665 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, as the number to generate < 1250963674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimme an upper bound < 1250963691 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reboot" < 1250963711 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 8 < 1250963730 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lower bound 3 < 1250963742 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly 4 actually, but anyway < 1250963752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1250963821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :852891037441 possibilities and that's just in the upper bound < 1250963827 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whence that number < 1250963840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :31 characters allowed = 31 bits < 1250963846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :per char < 1250963848 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, right < 1250963850 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERJECTION here < 1250963851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 31^8 < 1250963860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERJECTION! < 1250963860 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' and " can be used to push any byte < 1250963873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay then < 1250963876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"More" < 1250963882 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :256^8 = 18446744073709551616 < 1250963894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just start at the lower bound < 1250963899 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course that includes other stuff, but still < 1250963906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A rare number that cannot be reduced < 1250963907 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: In this case, I think the upper bound is accurate < 1250963942 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, 7 works, but anyway < 1250963971 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's still 282578800082945 to 72340172838010880 programs to try < 1250964020 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1250964030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, brute force smaller programsf irst < 1250964032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might work < 1250964041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use C obs < 1250964051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fx just crashed; guess im out of ram < 1250964052 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean, brute force smaller ones? < 1250964087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: try all numberfunge(31 char subset base) progs of length lower,lower+1,...,upper-1,upper < 1250964093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that order < 1250964097 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like said, that's going to try at least around 282578800082945 programs since it can't be done in 6 < 1250964102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as you find one generating the number, stop < 1250964102 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's one number < 1250964107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1250964111 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll take forever < 1250964114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a supercomputer < 1250964144 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add another criterion: nobody needs to buy any new hardware for this to work :-P < 1250964162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy a pony < 1250964170 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ask it to tell me the answer? < 1250964173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: find someone who already has a quantum computer, and use that < 1250964186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no, just enjoy it < 1250964196 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt I would < 1250964211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it might be a pain to run; quantum computers are annoying to program in an imperative style because they have to have fixed control flow < 1250964228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although note: that doesn't prevent TCness) < 1250964238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pony! < 1250964239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, we need an esolang whose control flow is fixed, really < 1250964244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an example of how it's possible to make such languages TC < 1250964245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :840x480 isn't all that bad of a resolution < 1250964250 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum computers aren't the magical solution to all problems anyway :-P < 1250964252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :800x480, I mean < 1250964261 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ebon Musings : Sgeo :: Overcoming Bias : Warrigal_ < 1250964263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like a widescreen 640x480? < 1250964268 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1250964272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what? < 1250964453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep < 1250964453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as seen in this device < 1250964453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping < 1250964454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, it's 1:20 of 1 jan '70, still according to it < 1250964458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not certain it has a hardware clock < 1250964464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1250964479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: probably it does, but not a persistent one < 1250964484 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray for disco < 1250964520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: perhaps < 1250964545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't it possible to have the os save it to disk? < 1250964552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and resume it on startup < 1250964556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well < 1250964561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't help if time passes < 1250964562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1250964562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ingenious, but it's not normally set up like that < 1250964565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ntp then :P < 1250964569 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Overcoming Bias/Less Wrong/, I think. < 1250964573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unfortunately flawed, see ^ < 1250964584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know one machine I used didn't save the time, but it did save /dev/random's internal state < 1250964595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god xD < 1250964597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it didn't have much chance to collect entropy, and didn't want to lose its valuable entropy across a reboot < 1250964621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used /dev/urandom for ssh just so it wouldn't take half an hour to log in < 1250964637 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I should look at Ebon Musings. < 1250964725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: continue? they used it to set the clock somehow? < 1250964725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it just a statement < 1250964744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's the end of the story < 1250964747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ebony Musings < 1250964779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the system related to cryptography in some way? < 1250965156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that if i switch windows with al-tab instead of clicking, it's faster < 1250965156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*alt < 1250965167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping < 1250965299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, the system wasn't crypto-related, although ssh does crypto no matter what system it's on < 1250965325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was no actual security risk as the only way it was ever connected to things was over a crosswired ethernet cable which wasn't visible from outside networks < 1250965329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it didn't know that, you see < 1250965345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, and we connected the serial debug console up to HyperTerminal sometimes, as well) < 1250965374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering why /dev/random was so unholily slow < 1250965374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION disables javascript < 1250965698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Obtaining entropy from devices not dedicated to it is rather slow. < 1250966346 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to try to find any videos relating to a 2003 movie that was never released < 1250967087 0 :Gracenotes_!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1250967474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1250968040 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1250968116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1250968121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want a photo of that device < 1250968131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote * ehird disables javascript < 1250968132 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :75|* ehird disables javascript < 1250970812 0 :Gracenotes_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :SendQ exceeded < 1250970992 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1250971935 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1250971952 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-129-21.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250972050 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever written a WordPerfect clone for GameBoy? < 1250972060 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UUUUGHHHH! < 1250972094 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend has a Jonas Brothers Live Video Chat application on Facebook. Apparently, every time she says something, it changes her status, so her profile page is now FILLED with everything she said < 1250972225 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know you're a bad D&D player when your character dies before the game even starts. < 1250972254 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are bad D&D player, if, You manage to fall into lava right after the game starts. Every time. Even if there is none. < 1250972436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/CcLJb.png < 1250972469 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m < 1250972536 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get a "404 - Image not found" message but the HTTP response code is still "200 OK" < 1250972563 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I deleted it, I accidentally left names in there < 1250972581 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting that it's 200, though < 1250972624 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/0FXcp.png < 1250972722 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one works < 1250972770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Have you ever written a WordPerfect clone for GameBoy? <-- what answer did you expect? < 1250972880 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to see if anyone ever considered any such thing (it is unlike to be done) < 1250972902 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1250972932 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0dnd/Vyb gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0dnd/5dashes < 1250973059 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat doesn't even make those clickable < 1250973108 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then copy/paste them. If that doesn't work you can also use netcat (connect to zzo38computer.cjb.net:70 and send "dnd/Vyb" (without the quotes)) to receive the file < 1250973125 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works perfectly in Firefox 3.5 < 1250973133 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not perfectly. Maybe I'm missing stuff < 1250973170 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What things might you be missing? < 1250973207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250973242 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I remember something about gopher having information below every listing, and Firefox not displaying those. < 1250973246 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type 0 files on port 70 should work correctly anywhere (if they are plain ASCII, which these files are). < 1250973251 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :May I ask why you use gopher? < 1250973259 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I'm browsing around your gopher site < 1250973285 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That information is for Gopher+ only. It isn't displaying it because it isn't there. < 1250973330 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1250973352 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything that isn't a type 0 file might not work correctly in all clients. Specifically, the Hangman game won't work except on Vonkeror (and possibly other clients that support client-brainfuck-over-gopher) < 1250973361 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonkeror? < 1250973420 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a rendering of my root gopher menu (the menu has been updated since then) in Vonkeror: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/vonkeror/screenshots/screenshot_003.png < 1250973464 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, Vonkeror supports HTTP as well, it is primarily a web-browser! < 1250973520 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The files I listed are two character sheets of players in the D&D game I am in. < 1250973527 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them is mine and one is my brother. < 1250973565 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it supposed to be an esobrowser? < 1250973579 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fully support the idea of an esobrowser >.> < 1250973597 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is just a web-browser I wrote because I didn't like most other web-browser programs. < 1250973654 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hangman game was written in BrainClub and then compiled. < 1250973670 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code for hangman game is available on the esolang wiki page for BrainClub: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/BrainClub < 1250973820 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my character-sheet? < 1250973868 0 :jix!n=jix@188-193-95-175-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250973914 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't much of a D&D person, didn't really look it over < 1250973958 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that's why. Does any people you know play D&D at all? Do you know anything about rules for D&D at all? < 1250973975 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to do a D&D based esolang once < 1250973978 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is hard < 1250973990 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was to be called dungeons and data < 1250973997 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that would be interesting a bit, D&D based esolang, put it in the list of ideas page if you want to post the ideas < 1250974016 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's already something like that there < 1250974029 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nah, I just couldn't write a program that felt natural < 1250974035 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. < 1250974137 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why aren't much of a D&D person? < 1250974168 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1250974170 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, no one to play with < 1250974190 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O. But do you think about the game sometimes? < 1250974208 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything I know about D&D comes from OOTS < 1250974226 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then maybe you don't know about D&D, then. < 1250974241 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything I know about D&D comes from Planescape < 1250974248 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you look at the character-sheets you might learn a bit more about D&D, but still probably not a lot < 1250974266 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also learn a few things from the System Reference Document < 1250974274 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grab the KotS quick start guide if you are after 4th ed < 1250974331 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4th ed isn't real D&D or real role-playing game in my opinion, I prefer 3.5ed. 4th ed may not be too bad, but it is a completely different game it just has the same name, that's all < 1250974356 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can take his THAC0 from his cold dead hands! < 1250974362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kismet, wireshark and aircrack-ng all seems to more or less dislike each other. It seems I need to often rmmod iwlagn && modprobe iwlagn in between using the different tools < 1250974363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1250974364 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAC0 isn't in 3.5 either ;) < 1250974374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1250974403 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4th edition isn't as different as some people would have you believe - things got rearranged, sure, but for the most part it's still the same game < 1250974411 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(imo, obviously) < 1250974413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aireplay-ng to do packet injection doesn't work if kismet set up the monitor interface < 1250974416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is crazy < 1250974429 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mostly knows about Warhammer RPG < 1250974434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works fine when airmon-ng was used to set it up < 1250974444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAC0? < 1250974454 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the book actually. Regardless of the things written there, it just works differently. Even if a few small changes in a rule of game can make the game very differently, but in this case it was changed more than that. < 1250974477 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One example is in some chess variants there is a lot of differences (they aren't normal chess, either) < 1250974510 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THAC0 < 1250974527 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4th ed expects you to fight too much for one thing, also I don't like the new alignment system in 4e (it is very stupid), and a few other changes, mostly simplifying things in the wrong way. < 1250974542 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even 3.5ed has some problems, but I play 3.5ed for now anyways < 1250974572 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is it was designed so that the combat system is an actual, well-balanced game (there are still issues here, but not along the lines of Pun-Pun). I prefer it, especially as a DM < 1250974574 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 3.5ed the arcane magic is not sufficiently arcane, in 4ed the arcane magic is not sufficiently magic. < 1250974612 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's nothing wrong with that combat system. But I don't want to play a combat system, I want to play D&D! < 1250974664 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't use miniatures either < 1250974675 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer playing without them < 1250974740 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D&D is not supposed to be computer game! When I want to play a computer game, I play a computer game. < 1250974787 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the magic misconception is one of the biggest misconceptions people have imo < 1250974814 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the classes' powers don't serve the same out-of-combat they used to; rituals do < 1250974819 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like per-encounter stuff (4e has a lot of this, 3.5e has a few), so we just modify the rules to change them to per-day < 1250974838 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DM agrees with many of my ideas about D&D too < 1250974932 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, please don't misconceive me as disliking people who still play 3.5 < 1250974961 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. < 1250975039 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just enjoy argument < 1250975042 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I just < 1250975055 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but coppro: Are you interested in looking at these characters-sheets I posted, anyways? < 1250975072 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, though it's been a while since I played 3.5 < 1250975105 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer defensive playing. Defensive strategy is a completely different strategy than offensive, and I find defensive also much more interesting. I am a defensive expert of D&D. I can't play offensive. < 1250975129 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you read the book "Art of Defense in Chess"? That is about chess, not D&D, but you might get some ideas from there < 1250975149 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, the book should also be written "Art of Defense in D&D" < 1250975162 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I have not. I don't read much on chess nowadays < 1250975182 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's OK. I was just mentioning it. < 1250975222 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this character sheets, or have a comment of it? (One is mine, one is my brother) < 1250975369 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which? < 1250975395 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0dnd/Vyb gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0dnd/5dashes < 1250975473 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a good format, though you probably want some way to put multiple things on the same like < 1250975571 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like... what? < 1250975618 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*line < 1250975686 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250975856 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250977124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so dead < 1250977135 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.recipezaar.com/library/water-459 < 1250977142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hai GregorR < 1250977157 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is drinking delicious carbonated water. < 1250977162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, ugh < 1250977168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prefers non-carbonated < 1250977170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for everything < 1250977173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including, cola < 1250977183 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is drinking decent enough tap water < 1250977201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah, I have good tap water here too < 1250977210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just decent, but very good < 1250977215 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I made a number-to-Funge-code tool which doesn't return the optimal result < 1250977236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you mean that tried to return the shortest thing for what number 100000 is or so? < 1250977243 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least it's quick. < 1250977255 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, that. < 1250977270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so what does it return for 103? < 1250977280 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even really try for the shortest, just some things that likely are shorter than other things. < 1250977287 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 'g < 1250977291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, heh < 1250977292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 g.a,@ < 1250977294 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :103 < 1250977303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that was even shorter < 1250977312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1250977312 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not PIC < 1250977317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, haha :D < 1250977328 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 0g.a,@ < 1250977328 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :48 < 1250977339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, sure is, but using base adressing relative storage offset < 1250977345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1250977383 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :103 is an uninteresting number anyway :-P < 1250977388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, true < 1250977407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'g is relative IP rather than relative storage offset < 1250977412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are still PIC < 1250977435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any code setting the storage offset explicitly though isn't < 1250977458 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it sets it to something relative to the storage offset and then sets it back ;-P < 1250977465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, true < 1250977479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1250977484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dmesg mentions < 1250977487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irq 2297 < 1250977488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1250977496 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ù'@2*82**+ < 1250977500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even know there were that many < 1250977503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, eh? < 1250977509 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2297 :-P < 1250977535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, why did you send ù encoded as multibyte then :P < 1250977553 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you'd not see it if it wasn't < 1250977578 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250977581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well. I suggest avoiding anything above 127 < 1250977587 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you do < 1250977590 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mycology already doesn't < 1250977596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh? < 1250977611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, also, I meant in original program source < 1250977617 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing that that works properly is on my TODO list for Mycology < 1250977636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, efunge currently only requires valid unicode in standard IO < 1250977646 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program source just looks at [1..255] < 1250977655 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all ASCII < 1250977665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, err I'm pretty sure you said using utf-8 was a valid interpretation < 1250977719 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did; but it's valid in the same way that 16-bit Funges are valid :-P < 1250977733 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. I wouldn't make it the default if I could avoid it < 1250977772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but it wouldn't be non-conforming to reject programs that couldn't be parsed in the current charset? < 1250977784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I used utf-8 then... welll < 1250977786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well* < 1250977796 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not really < 1250977803 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just unadvisable IMO < 1250977818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you consider befunge in general as advisable then I guess? < 1250977853 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just more advisable than thusly implemented Befunge :-P < 1250977861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1250977930 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'9'@57**+ is the ASCII version < 1250977935 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shorter, even :-P < 1250977956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw. I need neighbours who actually use their wlans. Even though capturing for several hours I don't yet have enough to test WEP cracking. The most I have is around 220 IVs for one network. And I need around 5000 < 1250977959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least < 1250978039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a bit strange that only sees almost only beacons when there are ~45 networks that can be detected without too much work, and another 20 or so that you can see a few beacons of if you are lucky < 1250978056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 7 strong ones (including my own) < 1250978306 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's somehow fitting that an esolang-related tool uses unsafePerformIO twice < 1250978343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm? < 1250978388 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My tool, it uses unsafePerformIO in two different places. < 1250978653 0 :nooga!n=nooga@86-63-124-134.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1250978714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, mhm < 1250979127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1250979166 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noight < 1250979741 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.82.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250980197 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I used unsafePerformIO twice and now I feel all dirty. What should I do? < 1250980394 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USE IT MORE < 1250980397 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooooh, feeling dirty. < 1250980403 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So good. < 1250980407 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-S < 1250980853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1250980858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: remove them < 1250980876 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not an option < 1250980949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, it is. < 1250980990 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It actually always isn't, but in this case you're right that it is < 1250981010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, remove them. < 1250981011 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regardless, I don't want to drop the whole thing in IO < 1250981021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So make your own monad, or factor out the IO parts. < 1250981037 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't "factor out" stuff that you call in an inner loop < 1250981040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, this wireless keyboard is **laggy**. < 1250981050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Refactor the whole program < 1250981050 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if I make my own monad, it'd be a wrapper around IO anyway... < 1250981078 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Not possible in such a way that the IO would go away < 1250981087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it is < 1250981110 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it really isn't :-P < 1250981248 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general you can't modify a program in such a way that it no longer does something it used to, yet produces all the same results as before < 1250981267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :structure < 1250981311 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing structure can't magically remove IO < 1250981318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can move it < 1250981356 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't arbitrarily move IO, either :-P < 1250981364 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250981369 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, in general, anything else < 1250981375 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250981377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, you're telling me that refactoring is impossible. < 1250981382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for anything < 1250981442 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm saying that a certain kind of modification is impossible for something < 1250981451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250981473 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.82.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250981501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come all mousemats are either foamy tarfests or scratchy < 1250981512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yeah, yeah, I should just buy a glass mat) < 1250981521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But this is seriously annoying) < 1250981760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:14:54 A friend has a Jonas Brothers Live Video Chat application on Facebook. < 1250981760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are no longer your friend < 1250981796 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, did you see the pic? < 1250981813 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/0FXcp.png < 1250981840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jonas Brothers", friend. What you're saying is not computing; I have no desire to pollute my brain with your Langfordian basilisks. < 1250981938 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, she's my friend's sister < 1250981948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:49:50 O. But do you think about the game sometimes? < 1250981949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love you zzo38, never leave us < 1250983108 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250983947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the Scheme steering community are trying to satisfy those who dislike R6RS by continuing the broken mindset that produced it. < 1250983957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*committee < 1250983966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you; no, wait, fuck you. < 1250984030 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what was the broken mindset? < 1250984049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is it just me, or do you have a penchant for seemingly-simple questions that take pages? < 1250984053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to answer) < 1250984889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric is the system that measures time on your computer http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1250985264 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out