00:30:59 -!- sebbu has joined. 00:36:49 -!- Gracenotes_ has joined. 00:43:27 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 00:46:35 -!- Gracenotes_ has changed nick to Gracenotes. 00:46:46 -!- sebbu3 has quit (Connection timed out). 01:15:21 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 01:31:07 -!- CESSMASTER has quit (Read error: 148 (No route to host)). 01:55:05 -!- jix has joined. 01:59:10 This is my 5,113rd day on the planet. 01:59:41 In approximately 8 hours, it will be my 122,721st hour on this planet. 02:01:29 In other words, it's my birthday. 02:02:05 -!- CESSMASTER has joined. 02:02:34 i'd buy you a cake but you'd just eat it. 02:02:49 Hey, I might have sex with it first. 02:02:55 No wait, I'm not legal yet. 02:03:03 It's two years until that happens. :P 02:04:11 how does it feel to know you'll be intercoursing vigorously 24/7 in just two years 02:04:26 oklopol: i sort of doubt that 02:04:39 wanna bet 02:04:51 oklopol: sure, how much 02:04:59 EHIRD'S VIRGINITY, PLACE YOUR BETS NOW 02:05:15 err, i'm not sure about the 24/7 part 02:05:36 I bet £50 I'll be a virgin when I turn 17 02:05:51 (16 being the consenterent) 02:06:09 but if you want to bet on when you'll be losing your virginity, sure, as long as the amount is not enough to make you turn a chick down :P 02:06:38 so nothing over £2000 02:07:10 oklopol: what if it's enough to make me turn a guy down 02:07:12 OR AN ANIMAL 02:07:14 (or my hand) 02:07:25 ehird: i'm in. assuming we're both still here, and one of us remembers 02:07:37 oklopol is preparing for extremely early onset alzheimer's 02:07:47 eh, hand doesn't count 02:07:51 unless you want it to 02:08:03 "oklopol, i wanked today, how would you like your share?" 02:08:13 it may have been a joke oklopol 02:08:33 sure, sure, i just wanted to make my own stupider one. 02:08:47 also you can't turn an animal down, they're too cuddly 02:09:04 yeeeeeeeeeeeees 02:09:12 oklopol clearly knows a lot about fucking animals 02:09:14 anyway what's your bet 02:09:17 so, umm, is the bet on now 02:09:35 you haven't bet an amount, dick 02:09:41 50 is okay 02:09:48 `calc 50 £ in eur 02:09:50 50 UK£ = 57.4776786 Euros 02:09:58 sure thing bro 02:09:58 we should probably choose one of those 02:10:03 pounds 02:10:05 wait oklopol 02:10:08 what if i get a sex change 02:10:13 define "virginity", precisely 02:10:17 i'm also preparing for extremely early onset inflation 02:10:25 hmm 02:10:51 getting fucked / fucking someone / maybe blowjob done to you? 02:10:59 bill clinton disagrees 02:11:18 fucking being the act of entering, here 02:11:46 some prefer to use the asymmetry to convey the active fucker 02:12:11 In mere hours my wonderful yeasty friends have built quite bit of pressure! 02:12:22 what about handjobs, how do they factor in eh 02:12:23 WHAT ABOUT TELEPORTING INTO SOMEONE'S STOMACH 02:12:34 or even vagina, does that count as entering 02:12:34 GregorR: are you talking about ehird's virginity or your soda beer? 02:12:37 i never entered, just appeared 02:12:42 oklopol: what's the difference 02:12:52 `addquote GregorR: are you talking about ehird's virginity or your soda beer? 02:12:53 74| GregorR: are you talking about ehird's virginity or your soda beer? 02:13:02 ehird: some say a chick fucks a dude if she's doing the moving 02:13:07 oklopol: My hobo rum. 02:13:07 basically 02:13:12 i meant 02:13:16 [02:12] oklopol: GregorR: are you talking about ehird's virginity or your soda beer? 02:13:22 oh 02:13:29 anyway 02:13:30 [02:12] ehird: what about handjobs, how do they factor in eh 02:13:30 [02:12] ehird: WHAT ABOUT TELEPORTING INTO SOMEONE'S STOMACH 02:13:31 [02:12] ehird: or even vagina, does that count as entering 02:13:32 then i like totally agree 02:13:34 pressing questions 02:13:42 i am fine with leaving teleporting unspecified 02:13:48 we'll go to court 02:13:50 if that happens 02:14:10 i hate ambiguity 02:14:20 i'd say if you get a handjob, you've lost it, if you give a handjob, then not... really anything involving your special parts. 02:14:54 what if someone causes me to spontaneously orgasm, on purpose 02:14:55 mentally 02:14:59 hmm 02:15:34 maybe not, i'm fine with considering that self-afflicted 02:15:51 even if it's not technically true in the case of magical mind control 02:16:07 oklopol: what if the singularity happens and i give someone a reference to my absolute-joy method 02:16:09 and they call it 02:16:17 is that method reference part of my "private parts" 02:16:20 considering i no longer have a body 02:16:25 :P 02:16:32 that's definitely losing it 02:17:11 anyway aren't there standards for this stuff, i don't want to go through all this hassle everytime i bet on someone's virginity :| 02:17:18 oklopol: what if they discover a security flaw and call it against my permission, that's basically rape right 02:17:39 ehird: yes, but i'd say that counts 02:18:07 is this just an elaborate set up to rape me 02:18:26 well clearly you must want it if you're going to pay me for it! 02:18:33 xD 02:19:28 maybe i just want to know exactly when and how you lose your virginity? 02:19:32 oklopol: anyway submit an RFC 02:19:38 to define virgin 02:20:23 sounds like something that might offend someone 02:20:30 tru dat 02:20:41 anyway it's trivial to save up £50 02:20:51 ARE YOU SAYING US PEOPLE WITHOUT GENITALIA CAN'T LOSE OUR VIRGINITY WHEN WE HAVE STORY SEX? 02:20:54 so, eh, you're on 02:21:07 oklopol: hmm that's a point, what if i lose my sex organs 02:21:13 and get prosthetic, mechanic ones 02:21:20 i.e., cyborg penis 02:21:23 then you win. in fact i'll pay you 60 out of pity. 02:21:29 wait 02:21:39 which way did i bet again 02:21:42 * oklopol thinks 02:21:47 ah, that you *do* have sex 02:21:47 so 02:21:50 yes, i'll pay 02:22:01 no, I pay you 02:22:01 oh cyborg penis huh 02:22:03 if I have sex 02:22:40 yes, but if you lose your sex organs then you don't have sex; except for cyborg penis... i'm not sure what to say about that 02:22:50 well does a penis transplant count 02:23:08 i'd say yes, obviously 02:23:13 some guys turn gay receivers when they lose their genitalia, just to be able to have at least some sorta sex 02:23:22 well does a penis transplant count 02:23:47 i'd say it counts 02:24:07 oklopol: so, we accept that the genitalia used do not have to be what i currently have 02:24:27 i'd say "whatever you count as your primary sex organ", but then again even if you consider that to be your middle finger, and you still have your penis... 02:24:27 so, if a cyborg penis is the same general shape, in the same place, and does much the same I/O to my brain 02:24:31 surely it counts 02:24:44 i guess i'm old-fashioned that way, i'd say the penis is still what determines virginity 02:25:01 ...or ass :P 02:25:11 what if i spontaneously grow a vagina. 02:25:35 you do realize this could go on forever :D 02:25:48 it's important! 02:26:16 yes, very. but you know graph theory 02:26:19 need to read it 02:26:29 well, just answer the vag question 02:28:00 if you spontaneously grow a vagina, using it for vaginal purposes will lead yo losing your virginity. 02:28:05 but, this is a tricky issue again 02:28:18 what if I penetrate someone with my anus 02:28:52 i mean, say you get a rimjob, i wouldn't say you've lost your virginity. but i might say that if you do the same thing with your vag... assuming the less strict definition that allows things like blowjobs 02:28:55 eh oklopol? eh? 02:29:21 anus penetration, huh. 02:29:38 anetration 02:29:49 ...could you just, you know, maybe not do that? 02:30:15 you would've be able to learn such a zen skill in just three years 02:30:32 should i take that as a challenge 02:30:37 xD 02:30:45 i need to go now :) 02:30:47 -> 02:33:31 ubuntu did you give me a graphical environment 02:33:32 fuuuuuuck you 02:34:51 hmm no 02:34:55 just a graphical startup 02:35:36 haha 02:35:41 yeah, wtf :P 02:35:44 nothing graphical but the splashscreen! 02:36:03 * ais523 looks forwards to when splashscreens have 3D animation 02:36:28 * ehird looks forward to when no splashscreens exist 02:38:21 -!- Sgeo has joined. 02:41:25 -!- ehird has set topic: ehird is so awesome that we're wishing him happy birthday in the topic http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 02:42:13 party, Sgeo! 02:42:17 i mean real party 02:42:20 ehird's birthday party 02:42:24 ,o/ 02:42:27 \o/ 02:42:29 \o, 02:42:32 \o/!!! 02:43:09 party boy killed by three clubs in face 02:43:12 Happy birthday ehird! 02:43:22 lol oklo 02:43:28 i'm not technically 14 yet, so this feels kind of hollow 02:44:05 ehird, because of the time, or because you gave a wrong date? 02:44:07 i think back when i was 14, i still had some sorta birthday parties, like went out drinking 02:44:33 after 16, i've usually just ignored all human contact as much as possible and hoped no one notices 02:45:05 i usually lie my birthday is in a few weeks here a bit before my birthday just in case someone remembers when i have it 02:45:08 Sgeo: 10am 02:45:11 sorta thing 02:45:12 maybe 10:30 02:45:17 so they're like "oh it's not yet" 02:45:32 I've never had a birthday party 02:45:41 to hell with kids :P 02:46:05 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 02:46:51 i used to feign being social all the time when i was your age 02:47:12 i guess that's why i'm such a fucking retard now 02:47:21 what 02:47:22 you're awesom 02:47:23 should've spent that time learning 02:47:23 e 02:47:46 no i'm not, i suck at the important things. 02:47:53 by which i mean math 02:48:50 so does your mom 02:48:51 oh fucking snap 02:55:15 my mom does suck at math 02:55:18 so does my father 02:55:29 despite my ongoing efforts to explain to them that math isn't about numbers 02:56:06 oklopol: xD 02:56:56 It's not a bad thing to play a WoW clone, is it? 02:57:07 Yes 02:57:11 all my irl friends play wow 02:57:14 like 24/7 02:57:16 and d&d 02:57:29 I mean, as opposed to actual WoW. 02:57:36 ais523: how can I reset my xorg config to default 02:57:40 * Sgeo wants to try Runes of Magic 02:57:40 is the file somewhere 02:57:48 ah it backed it up 03:02:30 umm 03:02:40 $ sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf{.20090822042059,} 03:02:42 $ sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf{.20090822042059,} 03:02:44 spot the error 03:07:31 ehird: you deleted the new copy as well as the old one 03:07:59 hmm... why didn't you just use mv? 03:11:40 back in da hizzouse 03:11:46 ais523: stupidity 03:27:25 -!- Sgeo has quit ("Leaving"). 04:11:13 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Creamsoda_3ltr.jpg lawl 04:11:26 Their picture of cream soda is an Irish brand labeled "American Cream Soda" 04:11:34 :D 04:11:38 it looks like water 04:12:03 also that's 3L? 04:20:15 What does your cream soda look like? Caramel-colored? (Both exist here) 04:20:35 i've never seen any ;| 04:21:05 ??? 04:21:21 I keep forgetting that the USA is the Mecca of soda :P 04:21:29 The US invented it. 04:21:32 We have all t3h soda. 04:21:43 Except for Japanese soda. 04:21:48 (Mmm, Ramune) 04:23:16 pikhq: Ever had red cream soda? 04:23:26 (e.g. Big Red or Barq's Red Cream Soda) 04:23:39 what's ramune 04:23:51 googling suggests it's lemonade in a fucked up bottle 04:24:05 free marble tho 04:24:35 Highly not-recommended to retrieve the marble. 04:24:56 why 04:25:13 GregorR: Yes. It is quite delicious. 04:25:25 ... the marble? oh, red thing 04:25:29 ehird: It's not lemonade. It's a vaguely lemony soda. 04:25:41 why not recom to retrv marbl 04:25:49 You have to break the bottle to do so. 04:26:02 so what 04:26:08 drink it, break bottle, \o/ marble \o/!!!!! 04:26:24 And \o/ glass shards \o/ 04:26:59 oh it's glass? 04:27:00 well just cut it. 04:28:14 -!- ehird has quit. 04:29:41 In case you couldn't guess, /me is attempting cream soda now. 04:33:54 Omnomnom. 04:51:18 -!- Pthing has joined. 05:00:52 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 05:23:39 -!- pikhq has joined. 05:42:55 -!- oerjan has joined. 05:43:22 that was awesome, then it was sad 05:44:04 better 07:46:49 -!- zzo38 has joined. 07:47:20 I wrote the first GameBoy software I wrote today. 07:47:30 I also copy my character-sheet into the computer today. 07:47:51 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 07:50:01 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 07:54:53 -!- oklokok has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:01:59 -!- oklokok has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 08:02:20 -!- oklokok has joined. 08:12:27 -!- oklopol has quit (Connection timed out). 08:16:21 -!- zbrown has joined. 08:43:42 -!- kar8nga has joined. 09:33:02 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 10:06:04 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 10:13:51 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 10:23:13 ehird: I tried outside in direct sunlight today. Hard to read, but still not impossible if at brightest setting. Impossible to read at 70% brightness in direct sunlight 10:23:37 also depends on exact viewing angle it seems 10:29:33 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9d1zo/planar_the_other_nethack_ai_built_on_taeb/ 10:38:40 neat 10:38:48 thanks 10:39:06 I think I posted a draft version of it in ##nomic earlier 10:39:13 but now it's up, it'll be easier to refer to 10:39:52 also, what's this in the topic involving ehird being awesome? 10:40:05 * ais523 wonders if ehird set that topic 10:40:16 yep, it was ehird 10:40:24 that would do it 10:40:32 -!- ais523 has set topic: ehird is so awesome that he wished himself happy birthday in the topic http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 11:01:53 hi ais523 11:01:57 hi 11:03:02 ais523, what was the previous topic? 11:03:25 "ehird is so awesome that we're wishing him happy birthday in the topic http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D" 11:03:36 heh 11:03:55 don't he realise he now forced me to not wish him happy bday 11:04:26 clearly e doesn't 11:04:39 doesn't* yeah 11:06:53 I assume it /is/ his birthday? 11:33:35 -!- Halph has joined. 11:33:41 ais523, I guess so 11:34:33 -!- Halph has quit (Remote closed the connection). 12:51:25 -!- FireFly has joined. 13:29:56 -!- jix has joined. 13:33:59 -!- FireFly has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)). 13:35:04 -!- FireFly has joined. 14:04:38 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 14:59:32 -!- jix has quit ("leaving"). 15:39:52 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 16:06:38 -!- ehird has joined. 16:06:54 indeed I am 16:06:57 good morning america 16:07:06 *did, not am 16:07:54 ehird: so how old will people accuse you of being in arguments now? 16:08:01 14 16:08:07 and how old are you actually? 16:08:14 umm, 14 16:08:23 well 16:08:32 wow, that's expecting a surprising level of intelligence from people who resort to ad hominem attacks 16:08:35 i guess augur nught not notice or something 16:08:39 ais523: :D 16:08:42 *might 16:08:49 ad hominems are fun for everyone 16:08:57 from the meanest street rat to the most erudite savant 16:09:16 Pthing: no they're not because fuck you :P 16:09:17 Pthing: you're just saying that because your nickname starts with a capital letter! 16:09:34 you have numbers in your nick, what kind of gaylord has numbers in their name 16:09:40 HELLO MY MUMMY CALLED ME SEVEN 16:09:43 a gay one 16:09:52 ehird: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9d1zo/planar_the_other_nethack_ai_built_on_taeb/ 16:10:14 somebody made a nethack AI? 16:10:22 Pthing: yes, many people working together 16:10:25 ofc, it isn't finished yet 16:10:29 how does it work, try to be pacifist? 16:10:33 including ais 16:10:47 Planar is mostly mine, and partly sorear's; the framework has many more contributors 16:11:06 and NetHack AIs are rarely pacifist, although Planar's more cautious of monsters than most 16:11:08 ais523: let's hope that link works 16:11:22 ehird: why would you think it wouldn't? 16:11:23 yeah, i realised how stupid that was when i said it 16:11:37 ais523: well, with this computer, rather 16:12:33 ehird: does it have a working web browser? 16:13:00 if 34k is the maximum score, how do the scores distribute? 16:13:04 yes, but it's running as root on a 500 mhz ar4m 16:13:05 arm 16:13:56 so its sort of slow 16:13:59 Pthing: http://alt.org/nethack/player-top.php?player=TAEB523 is a sample of the games it's played online, I haven't been saving scores locally 16:14:19 it quits a lot 16:14:29 or are those when you aborted it 16:14:30 that's me quitting it, either to test something else or because it's hit a bug 16:16:38 oh, and it's firefox, so that just compounds it on such slow hardware 16:16:53 ugh, use something like epiphany instead, or even w3m 16:17:05 which shows images by spawning a separate viewer 16:17:10 when you select them 16:18:08 ais523: I can't install anytghing atm 16:18:22 ah, ok 16:18:27 but firefox is on there by default? 16:18:40 yes 16:19:50 ais523: as well as an iffy piece of software that uses a gprs modem to contact a windows server running IE or something which sends back a compressed, low-colour image 16:20:02 they communicate text field editings and clickings. 16:20:12 what device is this? 16:20:18 it's one of the worst ogram's ive seenpr 16:20:28 hmm it ius a pretty bad orgasm, but a program too 16:22:27 ais523: it's a devicey device 16:25:13 it runs icewm! 16:25:15 ...as root 16:25:21 what a weird device 16:25:24 does it have any other users? 16:25:42 no 16:25:44 not afaik 16:25:47 i'll checj 16:26:19 it also comes with pidgin 16:26:25 ehird, what is the device? 16:26:53 ais523: it has other users, but they're not for human use 16:27:11 ehird, is it an embedded device? 16:27:13 including, bemusingly, www-data 16:27:26 AnMaster: depends on your definition of embedded; it's running X 16:27:31 and I'm conversing with it 16:27:48 what's the device's intended function? 16:27:56 this, I guess 16:27:57 ehird, well, in this case I meant something like a phone, PDA, robot controller or whatever 16:28:21 except I'm meant to be outside of wifi range, usign their awful gprs IEcompressed browser thing 16:28:52 ehird, brand? model? 16:28:54 ehird: I mean, is it a phone? or some sort of cordless internet tablet? or what? 16:29:15 AnMaster: nothing you would have heard of; nothing *I've* heard of 16:29:35 ais523: Not either; closer to the second 16:30:46 ehird, is it some portable device? 16:30:50 do you own it? 16:30:50 It has a screen that is connected to it; the screen is part of it rather than something I have connected. 16:31:11 if not, where/how did you find/get/steal/whatever it? 16:31:20 AnMaster: (1) Yes; as implied by [a] gprs, [b] "out of wifi range", 16:31:48 (2) Yes, unless I stole it from a sentient couch-hobo hybrid and later forgot about it 16:31:57 It's possible. 16:32:22 ehird, right, just wanted to confirm that. I once saw a public info screen in a museum with an error saying it couldn't connect to the AP 16:32:37 though, gprs... 16:32:38 well yeah 16:32:48 well, by observing error messages and job offers, I've concluded that around here, the busses run Windows and the trains run Linux 16:32:53 ehird, so where did you get it from? 16:33:01 ais523, oh? 16:33:08 AnMaster: I am uncertain. 16:33:13 AnMaster: even worse, the busses are running Windows /2000/ 16:33:23 ehird, maybe you *did* forget it then 16:33:30 I couldn't conclude what version of the various bits of Linux the trains were running, though 16:33:39 ais523, um. In the brake controlling system or what? 16:33:40 I mean 16:33:48 AnMaster: no, for the entertainment 16:33:53 * AnMaster blinks 16:34:03 I wouldn't trust a bus's brakes to Windows 2000 16:34:08 ais523, nor would I 16:34:09 anyway 16:34:10 AnMaster: I have not, as far as I remember, forgotten. 16:34:16 ehird, :D 16:34:19 but they have little screens which show adverts and things like weather forecasts and puzzles 16:34:34 which are basically Powerpoints in a loop, except that the Windows one works via IE (I'm not sure how the Linux one works) 16:34:58 * ehird continues the perilous process of loading the tunes logs on this thing 16:35:05 It might run out of its RAM; all 128MB of it. 16:35:08 ehird: did you manage to load my link? 16:35:25 Then its swap space on the lavish 1024 megabyte SSD! 16:35:39 ais523: the reddit link, yes; I will load the blogspot link now 16:36:32 ehird: OK, that's quite a big SSD; my third-year project was on a Linux device with 128MB RAM but 64MB SSD space 16:36:37 The log list redirects to /~lar1/logs while it is loading. Anyone else having this problem? 16:36:45 ais523: As I said; lavish! 16:36:53 how unusual to have something with more memory than disk space... 16:37:23 we decided a swap partition was probably a bad idea 16:37:28 Ha. 16:37:38 The fonts on this are very crisp and pretty. 16:38:53 Hint: I am, in fact, using a real keyboard. 16:39:00 23:47:20 I wrote the first GameBoy software I wrote today. 16:39:10 I had fun parsing that sentence 16:39:12 zzo, master of tautologies 16:39:20 nah, it's ambiguous 16:39:25 and only tautologous one way round 16:39:36 the other way around it's inv alid 16:39:56 oh, I had loaded the blogspot link; just forgot. Will read after tunes. 16:40:23 ehird, is it a netbook of some sort? 16:41:01 Damn you. :P 16:41:14 ehird, it is? 16:41:18 what model and such 16:41:25 and why so locked down 16:42:08 "Ubisurf"; it's quite thoroughly cheap and is marketed on the "Free unholy GPRS internet (*30 hours/mo)" thing. 16:42:16 It's not locked down, I'm root! 16:42:34 ehird, true. Badly designed though 16:42:41 It even has an xterm in the customised menu. 16:43:12 I'm going to boot into Damn Small Linux soon via a 1GB SD card plugged into a USB printer/scanner/whatever 16:43:24 No USB stick and my USB SD card reader doesn't work :D 16:43:50 The screen is 7", which sounds smaller than it looks. 16:44:40 * ehird keeps hitting the touchpad-click tap accidentally. 16:44:52 Time to try and boot into DSL. Save any messages for then. 16:44:57 -!- ehird has left (?). 17:05:41 -!- ehird has joined. 17:05:54 Duh, no BIOS, of course. 17:06:22 Anyone want to help me boot via USB on an ARM machine? :-) 17:07:52 Strange and unknown platform! Thrilling! Anyone? :P 17:08:18 ...hmm, I wrote an x86 image anyway. 17:08:20 Stupid am I. 17:09:15 Anyone know a livecd type thingy that supports ARM? :-\ 17:11:20 several distros support ARM 17:11:25 both Debian and Ubuntu do, I think 17:11:30 and presumably they have LiveCD versions 17:11:43 the issue is in the presumably clause 17:11:56 yes 17:12:03 anyway, ubuntu doesn;t support PPC; are you sure it does ARM? Besides, Ubuntu isntalls in like 4GB 17:12:10 I have 1 17:12:23 Debian doesn't have a livecd afaik 17:12:36 Just a livecd-based installer 17:14:23 ais523: this is all academic unless I can actually get it to boot from USB, though 17:14:56 ais523: hmm, wow, this system comes with Gnash 17:15:21 wow as in it doesn't actually work for anything but simple flash games, so why did they bother/ 17:15:35 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 17:16:13 ais523: I'm just surprised, since nobody at all knows what Gnash is; and indeed it's not very useful 17:16:25 -!- Halph has joined. 17:16:55 oh, and Google wrote an SVG renderer in Flash, in the hope of making SVG catch on more 17:17:15 -!- coppro has quit (Nick collision from services.). 17:17:20 parting and rejoining to try and regain my text cursor... 17:17:22 -!- ehird has left (?). 17:17:32 -!- Halph has changed nick to coppro. 17:17:56 -!- ehird has joined. 17:18:12 what did I miss, if anything? 17:18:43 2009-08-22 19:17:32 --> Halph is now known as coppro 17:18:59 (I.e. nowt.) 17:19:00 exciting 17:19:25 Deewiant: nowt is a british term; you are not allowed to use it if you are not british 17:19:28 cease and desist immediately 17:22:00 No. 17:23:02 Deewiant: i will sue you in a court of lwa in trenton, new jersey 17:23:04 in capital letters 17:23:10 *law 17:23:58 What will you charge me with, I wonder 17:24:24 Using "nowt" while not being british 17:28:20 Apparently it's in the first hour of jan 1 1970 17:28:24 ais523: AnMaster: 17:28:26 Who knew?! 17:29:04 ehird: misspelling "law" rather removes the effect 17:30:05 Using "nowt" falls under freedom of speech; your lawsuit will fizzle 17:30:23 Deewiant: But will it fizzie 17:30:49 Maybe it will ehird 17:31:09 "Maybe it will, ehird." 17:31:12 "Maybe it will." 17:31:28 I love how my CPU meter maxes out visiting simple web pages 17:32:05 It somewhat sucks that these days you can't intentionally state something like that in writing, since people will just assume you fail at commas 17:32:36 I was joking. 17:32:56 Also, "Maybe it will " is... very rarely semantic. 17:33:05 Of course you were 17:33:13 (semantic, adj. having, of or in relation to semantics) 17:33:28 There are (presumably) other, more sensible cases, though 17:34:07 Like? 17:34:24 I don't know, hence "presumably" 17:34:34 "The certificate chain presented for nexus.passport.com is not valid." 17:34:39 Dammit, Pidgin, I don't care 17:34:44 Just let me connect to MSN :( 17:37:53 -!- Sgeo has joined. 17:37:58 isn't there an unfixed known security hole in Pidgin's MSN library atm? 17:38:41 * Sgeo remembers receiving an update for something along those lines, so how is it unfixed? 17:39:19 ais523: I really don't care 17:39:42 Also, pidgin-facebookchat is awesome 17:39:58 -!- ehird has quit ("Leaving."). 17:40:47 -!- ehird has joined. 17:40:53 * ehird uses "HTTP method" 17:40:55 dun dun dun 17:40:56 to connect 17:41:00 did i miss anything 17:41:04 also by connect, i mean to msn 17:41:11 --> ehird has joined this channel (n=root@91.105.82.86). 17:41:29 that device is just going around broadcasting "I know nothing of security" to everything it connects to 17:42:03 the http method didn't work :( 17:42:08 ais523: :) 17:42:20 you can stop calling it a device now, I revealed what it is 17:43:27 Technically you could rename "root" to "admin" and then just create a user account called "root" 17:44:00 Perfectly valid. 17:45:01 Or just have ident or whatever lie? 17:45:01 Anyway, someone help me boot via USB on this thing 17:45:43 Finding the optimal Funge code to push a given number is tricky :-/ 17:46:28 Also impossible? 17:46:40 Why would it be impossible 17:46:54 Wouldn't brute-force ultimately work? 17:46:56 I'm pretty sure it's possible 17:47:02 Maybe not efficiently, but well 17:47:24 Like you could just do every program bigger and bigger until you find the smallest that does that 17:47:42 Slereah: halting problem 17:47:53 you could do it given infinite time 17:47:57 :P 17:48:20 ehird : Well, he's looking for the most efficient one 17:48:23 You don't need infinite time, there are trivial upper bounds on the length of the generating program 17:48:41 It's both a program you know exist, halts and is of small size 17:49:24 You could set a maximum run time 17:49:38 Sgeo: then it may be suboptimal 17:49:39 Trivial lower bounds on the length are also calculatable, of course (but not very helpful) 17:49:44 this is trivial stuff guys 17:49:57 ehird, why would root need to be the actual interactive user on it? 17:49:58 the poitn is that you cant bruteforce it 17:50:00 ehird, in terms of characters, maybe 17:50:04 because any given program might not halt 17:50:23 I think it would make sense to optimize for both characters and run time 17:50:30 you can't know whether it's infinilooping or taking 500 years to produce the number 17:50:32 Okay, let's interject here and specify the problem a bit more to what I was thinking (and have been doing) 17:50:36 you're all dense 17:50:41 AnMaster: it does not have to be. 17:50:45 ehird : If it takes 500 years, is it really optimal? 17:50:57 Use only: '"*+-/: and the numbers [0-9a-f] 17:50:58 well, for the upgrades; they're shell scripts 17:51:01 Slereah, it may be optimal in terms of amount of code. 17:51:05 Slereah: Optimal for characters, obviously 17:51:10 Deewiant: well that is trivial 17:51:27 is probably pointless so that can be lost 17:51:34 Er 17:51:38 Also you could just find a random program of such length, set it as the maximum, and run every smaller programs at the same time 17:51:42 s/^/\/ / 17:51:50 Then you could do it in finite time 17:51:54 ehird: Do tell 17:51:59 Slereah, optimizing for runtime instead of characters? 17:52:06 Deewiant: uhh it's just like the and 17:52:17 Well, optimizing for runtime could have infinite length I guess 17:52:22 ehird: The and? :-p 17:52:23 Deewiant: bruteforce it; chips are fast 17:52:28 ehird: I've tried; they're not 17:52:39 APART FROM THIS CHIP 17:52:43 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO 17:52:52 Maybe I fail at bruteforcing 17:53:00 maybe your mom fails at brute forcing 17:53:01 well 17:53:07 give me an example lower/upper bounds 17:53:14 that bruteforcing has failed at 17:54:08 Well, for instance let's pick the number 20000 17:54:19 as an upper bound in characters? 17:54:19 Or let's not 17:54:21 Let's pick 19999 17:54:25 No, as the number to generate 17:54:34 Gimme an upper bound 17:54:51 -!- MizardX has quit ("reboot"). 17:55:11 ehird: 8 17:55:30 Lower bound 3 17:55:42 Or possibly 4 actually, but anyway 17:55:52 sec 17:57:01 852891037441 possibilities and that's just in the upper bound 17:57:07 Whence that number 17:57:20 31 characters allowed = 31 bits 17:57:26 per char 17:57:28 Erm, right 17:57:30 INTERJECTION here 17:57:31 so 31^8 17:57:40 INTERJECTION! 17:57:40 ' and " can be used to push any byte 17:57:53 Okay then 17:57:56 "More" 17:58:02 256^8 = 18446744073709551616 17:58:14 Just start at the lower bound 17:58:19 Of course that includes other stuff, but still 17:58:26 A rare number that cannot be reduced 17:58:27 ehird: In this case, I think the upper bound is accurate 17:59:02 No, 7 works, but anyway 17:59:31 That's still 282578800082945 to 72340172838010880 programs to try 18:00:20 -!- MizardX has joined. 18:00:30 Well, brute force smaller programsf irst 18:00:32 It might work 18:00:41 Use C obs 18:00:51 fx just crashed; guess im out of ram 18:00:52 What do you mean, brute force smaller ones? 18:01:27 Deewiant: try all numberfunge(31 char subset base) progs of length lower,lower+1,...,upper-1,upper 18:01:33 in that order 18:01:37 Like said, that's going to try at least around 282578800082945 programs since it can't be done in 6 18:01:42 as soon as you find one generating the number, stop 18:01:42 And that's one number 18:01:47 Meh 18:01:51 That'll take forever 18:01:54 Get a supercomputer 18:02:24 I'll add another criterion: nobody needs to buy any new hardware for this to work :-P 18:02:42 Buy a pony 18:02:50 And ask it to tell me the answer? 18:02:53 Deewiant: find someone who already has a quantum computer, and use that 18:03:06 Deewiant: no, just enjoy it 18:03:16 I doubt I would 18:03:31 although it might be a pain to run; quantum computers are annoying to program in an imperative style because they have to have fixed control flow 18:03:48 (although note: that doesn't prevent TCness) 18:03:58 it's a pony! 18:03:59 actually, we need an esolang whose control flow is fixed, really 18:04:04 as an example of how it's possible to make such languages TC 18:04:05 840x480 isn't all that bad of a resolution 18:04:10 Quantum computers aren't the magical solution to all problems anyway :-P 18:04:12 800x480, I mean 18:04:21 Ebon Musings : Sgeo :: Overcoming Bias : Warrigal_ 18:04:23 is that like a widescreen 640x480? 18:04:28 I think 18:04:32 Sgeo: what? 18:07:33 ais523: yep 18:07:33 as seen in this device 18:07:33 ping 18:07:34 incidentally, it's 1:20 of 1 jan '70, still according to it 18:07:38 I'm not certain it has a hardware clock 18:07:44 pong 18:07:59 ehird: probably it does, but not a persistent one 18:08:04 hooray for disco 18:08:40 ais523: perhaps 18:09:05 ais523: isn't it possible to have the os save it to disk? 18:09:12 and resume it on startup 18:09:16 or, well 18:09:21 that doesn't help if time passes 18:09:22 heh 18:09:22 ehird: ingenious, but it's not normally set up like that 18:09:25 ntp then :P 18:09:29 s/Overcoming Bias/Less Wrong/, I think. 18:09:33 ais523: unfortunately flawed, see ^ 18:09:44 I know one machine I used didn't save the time, but it did save /dev/random's internal state 18:09:55 oh god xD 18:09:57 because it didn't have much chance to collect entropy, and didn't want to lose its valuable entropy across a reboot 18:10:21 it used /dev/urandom for ssh just so it wouldn't take half an hour to log in 18:10:37 But I should look at Ebon Musings. 18:12:05 ais523: continue? they used it to set the clock somehow? 18:12:05 or was it just a statement 18:12:24 ehird: that's the end of the story 18:12:27 Ebony Musings 18:12:59 was the system related to cryptography in some way? 18:19:16 it seems that if i switch windows with al-tab instead of clicking, it's faster 18:19:16 *alt 18:19:27 ping 18:21:39 ehird: no, the system wasn't crypto-related, although ssh does crypto no matter what system it's on 18:22:05 there was no actual security risk as the only way it was ever connected to things was over a crosswired ethernet cable which wasn't visible from outside networks 18:22:09 but it didn't know that, you see 18:22:25 (oh, and we connected the serial debug console up to HyperTerminal sometimes, as well) 18:22:54 I'm just wondering why /dev/random was so unholily slow 18:22:54 * ehird disables javascript 18:28:18 ehird: Obtaining entropy from devices not dedicated to it is rather slow. 18:39:06 * Sgeo goes to try to find any videos relating to a 2003 movie that was never released 18:51:27 -!- Gracenotes_ has joined. 18:57:54 -!- ehird has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 19:07:20 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Connection timed out). 19:08:36 hm 19:08:41 want a photo of that device 19:08:51 `addquote * ehird disables javascript 19:08:52 75|* ehird disables javascript 19:53:32 -!- Gracenotes_ has quit (SendQ exceeded). 19:56:32 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 20:12:15 -!- zzo38 has joined. 20:12:32 -!- bsmntbombdood_ has joined. 20:14:10 Have you ever written a WordPerfect clone for GameBoy? 20:14:20 UUUUGHHHH! 20:14:54 A friend has a Jonas Brothers Live Video Chat application on Facebook. Apparently, every time she says something, it changes her status, so her profile page is now FILLED with everything she said 20:17:05 You know you're a bad D&D player when your character dies before the game even starts. 20:17:34 You are bad D&D player, if, You manage to fall into lava right after the game starts. Every time. Even if there is none. 20:20:36 http://imgur.com/CcLJb.png 20:21:09 n/m 20:22:16 I get a "404 - Image not found" message but the HTTP response code is still "200 OK" 20:22:43 I deleted it, I accidentally left names in there 20:23:01 That's interesting that it's 200, though 20:23:44 http://imgur.com/0FXcp.png 20:25:22 That one works 20:26:10 Have you ever written a WordPerfect clone for GameBoy? <-- what answer did you expect? 20:28:00 Just to see if anyone ever considered any such thing (it is unlike to be done) 20:28:22 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit (No route to host). 20:28:52 gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0dnd/Vyb gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0dnd/5dashes 20:30:59 XChat doesn't even make those clickable 20:31:48 Then copy/paste them. If that doesn't work you can also use netcat (connect to zzo38computer.cjb.net:70 and send "dnd/Vyb" (without the quotes)) to receive the file 20:32:05 Works perfectly in Firefox 3.5 20:32:13 Well, maybe not perfectly. Maybe I'm missing stuff 20:32:50 What things might you be missing? 20:33:27 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 20:34:02 zzo38, I remember something about gopher having information below every listing, and Firefox not displaying those. 20:34:06 Type 0 files on port 70 should work correctly anywhere (if they are plain ASCII, which these files are). 20:34:11 May I ask why you use gopher? 20:34:19 zzo38, I'm browsing around your gopher site 20:34:45 That information is for Gopher+ only. It isn't displaying it because it isn't there. 20:35:30 Ah 20:35:52 Anything that isn't a type 0 file might not work correctly in all clients. Specifically, the Hangman game won't work except on Vonkeror (and possibly other clients that support client-brainfuck-over-gopher) 20:36:01 Vonkeror? 20:37:00 Here's a rendering of my root gopher menu (the menu has been updated since then) in Vonkeror: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/vonkeror/screenshots/screenshot_003.png 20:37:44 Of course, Vonkeror supports HTTP as well, it is primarily a web-browser! 20:38:40 The files I listed are two character sheets of players in the D&D game I am in. 20:38:47 One of them is mine and one is my brother. 20:39:25 Is it supposed to be an esobrowser? 20:39:39 I fully support the idea of an esobrowser >.> 20:39:57 No, it is just a web-browser I wrote because I didn't like most other web-browser programs. 20:40:54 The hangman game was written in BrainClub and then compiled. 20:41:10 The code for hangman game is available on the esolang wiki page for BrainClub: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/BrainClub 20:43:40 Do you like my character-sheet? 20:44:28 -!- jix has joined. 20:45:14 * Sgeo isn't much of a D&D person, didn't really look it over 20:45:58 O, that's why. Does any people you know play D&D at all? Do you know anything about rules for D&D at all? 20:46:15 I wanted to do a D&D based esolang once 20:46:18 But it is hard 20:46:30 it was to be called dungeons and data 20:46:37 Yes that would be interesting a bit, D&D based esolang, put it in the list of ideas page if you want to post the ideas 20:46:56 There's already something like that there 20:47:09 But nah, I just couldn't write a program that felt natural 20:47:15 O, OK. 20:48:57 Why aren't much of a D&D person? 20:49:28 wat 20:49:30 zzo38, no one to play with 20:49:50 O. But do you think about the game sometimes? 20:50:08 Everything I know about D&D comes from OOTS 20:50:26 Then maybe you don't know about D&D, then. 20:50:41 Everything I know about D&D comes from Planescape 20:50:48 If you look at the character-sheets you might learn a bit more about D&D, but still probably not a lot 20:51:06 You can also learn a few things from the System Reference Document 20:51:14 grab the KotS quick start guide if you are after 4th ed 20:52:11 4th ed isn't real D&D or real role-playing game in my opinion, I prefer 3.5ed. 4th ed may not be too bad, but it is a completely different game it just has the same name, that's all 20:52:36 You can take his THAC0 from his cold dead hands! 20:52:42 kismet, wireshark and aircrack-ng all seems to more or less dislike each other. It seems I need to often rmmod iwlagn && modprobe iwlagn in between using the different tools 20:52:43 :/ 20:52:44 THAC0 isn't in 3.5 either ;) 20:52:54 for example 20:53:23 4th edition isn't as different as some people would have you believe - things got rearranged, sure, but for the most part it's still the same game 20:53:31 (imo, obviously) 20:53:33 aireplay-ng to do packet injection doesn't work if kismet set up the monitor interface 20:53:36 which is crazy 20:53:49 * Slereah mostly knows about Warhammer RPG 20:53:54 works fine when airmon-ng was used to set it up 20:54:04 THAC0? 20:54:14 I read the book actually. Regardless of the things written there, it just works differently. Even if a few small changes in a rule of game can make the game very differently, but in this case it was changed more than that. 20:54:37 One example is in some chess variants there is a lot of differences (they aren't normal chess, either) 20:55:10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THAC0 20:55:27 4th ed expects you to fight too much for one thing, also I don't like the new alignment system in 4e (it is very stupid), and a few other changes, mostly simplifying things in the wrong way. 20:55:42 Even 3.5ed has some problems, but I play 3.5ed for now anyways 20:56:12 the difference is it was designed so that the combat system is an actual, well-balanced game (there are still issues here, but not along the lines of Pun-Pun). I prefer it, especially as a DM 20:56:14 In 3.5ed the arcane magic is not sufficiently arcane, in 4ed the arcane magic is not sufficiently magic. 20:56:52 There's nothing wrong with that combat system. But I don't want to play a combat system, I want to play D&D! 20:57:44 And I don't use miniatures either 20:57:55 I prefer playing without them 20:59:00 D&D is not supposed to be computer game! When I want to play a computer game, I play a computer game. 20:59:47 the magic misconception is one of the biggest misconceptions people have imo 21:00:14 the classes' powers don't serve the same out-of-combat they used to; rituals do 21:00:19 I also don't like per-encounter stuff (4e has a lot of this, 3.5e has a few), so we just modify the rules to change them to per-day 21:00:38 The DM agrees with many of my ideas about D&D too 21:02:12 by the way, please don't misconceive me as disliking people who still play 3.5 21:02:41 O, OK. 21:03:59 I'm just enjoy argument 21:04:02 *I just 21:04:15 but coppro: Are you interested in looking at these characters-sheets I posted, anyways? 21:04:32 sure, though it's been a while since I played 3.5 21:05:05 I prefer defensive playing. Defensive strategy is a completely different strategy than offensive, and I find defensive also much more interesting. I am a defensive expert of D&D. I can't play offensive. 21:05:29 Have you read the book "Art of Defense in Chess"? That is about chess, not D&D, but you might get some ideas from there 21:05:49 Therefore, the book should also be written "Art of Defense in D&D" 21:06:02 no, I have not. I don't read much on chess nowadays 21:06:22 That's OK. I was just mentioning it. 21:07:02 Do you like this character sheets, or have a comment of it? (One is mine, one is my brother) 21:09:29 which? 21:09:55 gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0dnd/Vyb gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0dnd/5dashes 21:11:13 seems like a good format, though you probably want some way to put multiple things on the same like 21:12:51 Like... what? 21:13:38 *line 21:14:46 -!- coppro has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:17:36 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:38:44 so dead 21:38:55 http://www.recipezaar.com/library/water-459 21:39:02 oh hai GregorR 21:39:17 * GregorR is drinking delicious carbonated water. 21:39:22 GregorR, ugh 21:39:28 * AnMaster prefers non-carbonated 21:39:30 for everything 21:39:33 including, cola 21:39:43 * Deewiant is drinking decent enough tap water 21:40:01 Deewiant, yeah, I have good tap water here too 21:40:10 not just decent, but very good 21:40:15 Also, I made a number-to-Funge-code tool which doesn't return the optimal result 21:40:36 Deewiant, you mean that tried to return the shortest thing for what number 100000 is or so? 21:40:43 But at least it's quick. 21:40:55 Yep, that. 21:41:10 Deewiant, so what does it return for 103? 21:41:20 It doesn't even really try for the shortest, just some things that likely are shorter than other things. 21:41:27 AnMaster: 'g 21:41:31 Deewiant, heh 21:41:32 !befunge98 g.a,@ 21:41:34 103 21:41:43 Deewiant, that was even shorter 21:41:52 but 21:41:52 AnMaster: Not PIC 21:41:57 Deewiant, haha :D 21:42:08 !befunge98 0g.a,@ 21:42:08 48 21:42:19 Deewiant, sure is, but using base adressing relative storage offset 21:42:25 ;P 21:43:03 103 is an uninteresting number anyway :-P 21:43:08 Deewiant, true 21:43:27 'g is relative IP rather than relative storage offset 21:43:32 both are still PIC 21:43:55 any code setting the storage offset explicitly though isn't 21:44:18 Unless it sets it to something relative to the storage offset and then sets it back ;-P 21:44:25 Deewiant, true 21:44:39 * AnMaster looks 21:44:44 dmesg mentions 21:44:47 irq 2297 21:44:48 what 21:44:56 'ù'@2*82**+ 21:45:00 I didn't even know there were that many 21:45:03 Deewiant, eh? 21:45:09 2297 :-P 21:45:35 Deewiant, why did you send ù encoded as multibyte then :P 21:45:53 Because you'd not see it if it wasn't 21:46:18 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:46:21 Deewiant, well. I suggest avoiding anything above 127 21:46:27 I'm sure you do 21:46:30 Mycology already doesn't 21:46:36 Deewiant, oh? 21:46:51 Deewiant, also, I meant in original program source 21:46:57 Testing that that works properly is on my TODO list for Mycology 21:47:16 Deewiant, efunge currently only requires valid unicode in standard IO 21:47:26 The program source just looks at [1..255] 21:47:35 It's all ASCII 21:47:45 Deewiant, err I'm pretty sure you said using utf-8 was a valid interpretation 21:48:39 Yes, I did; but it's valid in the same way that 16-bit Funges are valid :-P 21:48:53 I.e. I wouldn't make it the default if I could avoid it 21:49:32 Deewiant, but it wouldn't be non-conforming to reject programs that couldn't be parsed in the current charset? 21:49:44 so if I used utf-8 then... welll 21:49:46 well* 21:49:56 No, not really 21:50:03 Just unadvisable IMO 21:50:18 Deewiant, you consider befunge in general as advisable then I guess? 21:50:53 No, just more advisable than thusly implemented Befunge :-P 21:51:01 heh 21:52:10 '9'@57**+ is the ASCII version 21:52:15 Shorter, even :-P 21:52:36 btw. I need neighbours who actually use their wlans. Even though capturing for several hours I don't yet have enough to test WEP cracking. The most I have is around 220 IVs for one network. And I need around 5000 21:52:39 at least 21:53:59 it is a bit strange that only sees almost only beacons when there are ~45 networks that can be detected without too much work, and another 20 or so that you can see a few beacons of if you are lucky 21:54:16 about 7 strong ones (including my own) 21:58:26 I think it's somehow fitting that an esolang-related tool uses unsafePerformIO twice 21:59:03 Deewiant, hm? 21:59:48 My tool, it uses unsafePerformIO in two different places. 22:04:13 -!- nooga has joined. 22:05:14 Deewiant, mhm 22:12:07 night 22:12:46 Noight 22:22:21 -!- ehird has joined. 22:29:57 ehird: I used unsafePerformIO twice and now I feel all dirty. What should I do? 22:33:14 USE IT MORE 22:33:17 Oooooh, feeling dirty. 22:33:23 So good. 22:33:27 :-S 22:40:53 hi 22:40:58 Deewiant: remove them 22:41:16 Not an option 22:42:29 Deewiant: Yes, it is. 22:43:10 It actually always isn't, but in this case you're right that it is 22:43:30 So, remove them. 22:43:31 Regardless, I don't want to drop the whole thing in IO 22:43:41 So make your own monad, or factor out the IO parts. 22:43:57 You can't "factor out" stuff that you call in an inner loop 22:44:00 Wow, this wireless keyboard is **laggy**. 22:44:10 Deewiant: Refactor the whole program 22:44:10 And if I make my own monad, it'd be a wrapper around IO anyway... 22:44:38 ehird: Not possible in such a way that the IO would go away 22:44:47 Sure it is 22:45:10 No, it really isn't :-P 22:47:28 In general you can't modify a program in such a way that it no longer does something it used to, yet produces all the same results as before 22:47:47 structure 22:48:31 Changing structure can't magically remove IO 22:48:38 You can move it 22:49:16 You can't arbitrarily move IO, either :-P 22:49:24 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 22:49:29 Or, in general, anything else 22:49:35 -!- coppro has joined. 22:49:37 basically, you're telling me that refactoring is impossible. 22:49:42 for anything 22:50:42 No, I'm saying that a certain kind of modification is impossible for something 22:50:51 -!- ehird has quit (Remote closed the connection). 22:51:13 -!- ehird has joined. 22:51:41 How come all mousemats are either foamy tarfests or scratchy 22:51:52 (Yeah, yeah, I should just buy a glass mat) 22:52:01 (But this is seriously annoying) 22:56:00 12:14:54 A friend has a Jonas Brothers Live Video Chat application on Facebook. 22:56:00 they are no longer your friend 22:56:36 ehird, did you see the pic? 22:56:53 http://imgur.com/0FXcp.png 22:57:20 "Jonas Brothers", friend. What you're saying is not computing; I have no desire to pollute my brain with your Langfordian basilisks. 22:58:58 Well, actually, she's my friend's sister 22:59:08 12:49:50 O. But do you think about the game sometimes? 22:59:09 I love you zzo38, never leave us 23:18:28 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 23:32:27 So, the Scheme steering community are trying to satisfy those who dislike R6RS by continuing the broken mindset that produced it. 23:32:37 *committee 23:32:46 Thank you; no, wait, fuck you. 23:33:50 ehird, what was the broken mindset? 23:34:09 Sgeo: is it just me, or do you have a penchant for seemingly-simple questions that take pages? 23:34:13 (to answer) 23:48:09 -!- ehird has set topic: #esoteric is the system that measures time on your computer http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 23:54:24 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Connection timed out).