< 1251677496 0 :MizardX-!i=MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1251677572 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1251677583 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1251678839 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im so happy, i finally found my 'information theory and its engineering applications' book after it had been lost for months < 1251678862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay < 1251678870 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ranted to this channel about how frustrated i was i couldnt find it months ago, and ive spent countless hours searching since then - i know youve all been up night crying on my behalf < 1251678881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes :< < 1251678897 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you may once again sleep happily in the knowledge that D.A. Bell's classic work is once again safe on my shelves < 1251678920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i _have_ been up night a lot... < 1251678962 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that name rings a *hit by falling anvil* < 1251678971 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1251679046 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far as i can tell, its been established for a long time that informational entropy and physical entropy are in fact the exact same thing, but lots of people are still scared to say so or seem to think the matter is unclear < 1251679153 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, the wikipedia entropy article has been massively rewritten, its much better now - so of course it has tags saying its worse < 1251679181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that article can only get worse, naturally < 1251679185 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks < 1251679209 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless we attach a good heat sink to it! < 1251679224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, re: R6RS pairs being immutable - pairs are mutable, but set-car!/cdr! are in a separate library and there's a big honking fat "DO NOT USE" on 'em. < 1251679272 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it anyway just to be a rebel < 1251679307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You know one neato idea that Perl hasn't borrowed: not being a giant pile of half digested crap." — reddit troll < 1251679324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Immediately following, similarly hilarious sentence: "The language doesn't even have named arguments and it treats arrays as weird lumps of memory that aren't even first class.") < 1251679403 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, the wikipedia article still has this garbage in it: The question of the link between information entropy and thermodynamic entropy is a hotly debated topic. Some authors argue that there is a link between the two,[39][40][41] while others will argue that they have absolutely nothing to do with each other.[42] < 1251679422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: would you prefer wikipedia denied that there's any controversy at all? < 1251679452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You appear to have a problem of distinguishing "I strongly hold this to be true" with "Every material should treat this as true and never question it or even mention any questionings of it" < 1251679458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/with/from/ < 1251679491 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the article contradicts itself unfortunately...because earlier and later in the article it states their equivalence...so it should really be one way or another, shouldnt it? < 1251679521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: "X and Y are equivalent" and then "Whether X and Y are equivalent is controversial" are not contradictory < 1251679535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I suspect the former is more like "X and Y are generally accepted to be equivalent" < 1251679541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes them even less contradictory < 1251679550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a list of facts < 1251679584 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the point is that the article is disorganized and makes 'weasel worded' statements like that when it should just cover the material < 1251679625 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the citation [42] is also being abused, it doesnt deny the equivalence, instead it makes the claim that they should be treated as *semantically* distinct < 1251679628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, "just covering the material" isn't the same as conveniently not mentioning any controversy < 1251679633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: Fine, it may be a bad line < 1251679634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remove it then < 1251679639 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want it do *more* than just mention the controversy < 1251679646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying that the reasons you objected to are bad < 1251679693 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i object to that line because it doesnt provide information and id say its basically misleading - there is other good information in the article, and that section should focus on it - i *agree* there is a huge controversy! < 1251679703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, then :P < 1251679707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not really what you said < 1251679741 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started out by saying 'lots of people are still scared to say so or seem to think the matter is still unclear' < 1251679781 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want the wikipedia article to act to clarify the confusion with good solid sourced information as vetted by a presumably expert community < 1251679822 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not expert enough personally to try to clean it up < 1251679856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only experts could edit wikipedia articles, well (a) it'd be citizendium and suck and (b) there'd be less drama but (c) a lot more cocksucking < 1251679865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (d) some more crappage < 1251679879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i mention it'd be rubbish./ < 1251679884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*without the / < 1251679909 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, only with the / < 1251679931 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, with OR without the / < 1251679933 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i edit wikipedia frequently, but part of being a good editor is knowing when you arent quite good enough for a given topic < 1251680064 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read the wikipedia entropy related articles quite a bit and they are generally solid, but they are mostly written (i presume) by students and arent quite up to the standard of the treatment of the subject in books written by experts, it would be nice to get them there < 1251680222 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that makes me so angry about wikipedia is all the editors who totally ignore the examples of previous encyclopedias in making up tons of absurd rules < 1251680241 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1251680245 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, the music theory essays in the encyclopedia britannica 1912 edition were by donald francis tovey, and are total masterpieces < 1251680266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old britannicas suck so much. no ctrl-f! < 1251680269 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they would be angrily rejected by tons of current wikipedia editors as 'non-encyclopedic' and 'like a personal essay' etc < 1251680276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone's HTMLed an old britannica that'd be neat < 1251680292 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that 1912 britannica actually got folded into wikipedia several years ago < 1251680302 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it formed the core of a lot of the 'generic info' < 1251680367 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it was 1911 edition, off by a year < 1251680406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but then modified and stufjkflgl;j < 1251680415 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1251680434 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the interesting thing is that the 1911 brittanica contradicts a lot of the wikipedia 'rules' that the rule-crazed people love < 1251680451 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a ton of POV essays written by experts in their field, basically < 1251680461 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as the Donald Francis Tovey music theory essays i love so much < 1251680644 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing stirs a conversation up like old D.F. Tovey, those emininent British musicologists are so beloved! < 1251680753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :green s 2 b + 5 o 4 2 9 0 10 one 2 7 9 0 4 < 1251681371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue 2 a m 4 - 6 t 3 1 19 x l < 1251681529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't understand the ((((kkkkkkkkkk semantic < 1251681552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kkkkkould be < 1251682479 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-162-187-246.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1251684358 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1251684404 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be wrong for me to make an esolang based on a scripting language for something that exists? < 1251684592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it kill you to stop asking stupid questions? < 1251684795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be too much to ask for a bit of if the which is? < 1251684993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? < 1251685011 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, definitely. < 1251685034 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several times, in fact. < 1251685084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, if that would have the requested before that then if the whole question very much. < 1251686480 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1251687610 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good maybe" < 1251687950 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1251688420 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1251688436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You know how you said file info dialogs use binary storage prefixes? < 1251688443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard uses metric now < 1251688852 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laaaaaaaaaaame < 1251689349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood_: 10^9 is used for CPU frequencies, network speeds, wireless bands and disk drive total capacities. < 1251689369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only things that it isn't used for is RAM and, now only for some OSs, individual file sizes. < 1251689388 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disk drive total capacities? < 1251689393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"200GB" drive < 1251689395 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only by sleazy marketers < 1251689398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1251689400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by all disk companies < 1251689408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how is it sleazy marketing? see all my other examples < 1251689436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, 2^30 is really arbitrary; the "binary thousand" is just the power of 2 closest to the decimal number 1000 < 1251689443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as all the other similar numbers < 1251689499 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many bits does it take to address 4 gigabytes? < 1251689518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[03:29] ehird: bsmntbombdood_: 10^9 is used for CPU frequencies, network speeds, wireless bands and disk drive total capacities. < 1251689518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[03:29] ehird: The only things that it isn't used for is RAM and, now only for some OSs, individual file sizes. < 1251689538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As well as, you know, everything outside of computation) < 1251689551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*computing; computation is a thing computers do < 1251689557 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just said that < 1251689564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Idid. < 1251689566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I did < 1251691244 0 :Halph!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1251691326 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1251691327 0 :Halph!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :coppro < 1251693063 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-160-121-141.range86-160.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1251693650 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251694079 0 :oklofok!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1251694353 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1251694511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1251695325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1251698090 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1251698697 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1251698804 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1251699212 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1251699713 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1251700219 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251700977 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1251701424 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-7-195.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1251701616 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1251701617 0 :MigoMipo_!n=MigoMipo@84-217-8-75.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1251701643 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1251701656 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-8-75.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1251703033 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1251703309 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1251705336 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1251705599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1251705600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1251712444 0 :Rugxulo!n=user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1251712945 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-77-180.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1251713818 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1251714680 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-77-180.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1251715507 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1251722184 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1251723785 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1251724618 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1251726272 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1251726866 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1251727115 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1251728105 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1251728764 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84.217.0.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251728928 0 :int-e!n=noone@t54fc415d.pool.terralink.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1251729274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you don't have a blog though, right? < 1251729446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall you explicitly pointing out that difference < 1251730288 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1251732057 0 :asiekierka!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1251732064 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get to work on my Base 5 esolang < 1251732148 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :base 5 esolang? < 1251732180 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an esolang < 1251732185 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with numbers stored in base 5 < 1251732233 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1251732371 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 kinds of commands < 1251732379 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 commands total < 1251732444 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually 16 now < 1251732655 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@83.183.183.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251732687 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should output "Hello World!" < 1251732688 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@242O@>104O+++++++dOO+++O@>>211O<<<223O>O+++O>O--------O>+O < 1251732752 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/d551db7b7 < 1251732770 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, this is a dynamic cell memory < 1251732775 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wraps around < 1251732779 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1251732782 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it wraps around < 1251732785 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see an improvment < 1251732791 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@242O@>104O+++++++dOO+++O@>>211O>223O>O+++O>O--------O>+O < 1251732795 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 bytes smaller < 1251732804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's dynamic cell memory < 1251732808 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1251732812 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cell memory of a dynamic size < 1251732815 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1251732823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1251732824 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can add/remove number cells < 1251732835 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think about it < 1251732842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you extend it explicitly < 1251732854 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1251732859 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also duplicate numbers < 1251732861 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinitely extending + wraps around don't mix otherwise, so i was confused < 1251732874 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it doesn't extend infinitely < 1251732879 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but allows for infinite memory in theory < 1251732882 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not in practice < 1251732899 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be compatible with BF < 1251732907 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just do @ a whole load of times < 1251732912 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+,-,<,> work as normal < 1251732919 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. == O < 1251732919 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, == i < 1251732924 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :profound < 1251732926 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] == (...) < 1251732930 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is turing-complete < 1251732934 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1251732940 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am calling it Bafie < 1251732956 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAse FIve < 1251732957 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whole load of times"? < 1251732965 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however many cells the app needs < 1251732976 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just do a < 1251732983 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1251732983 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@444(@-) < 1251732989 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1251732993 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@444(@-)- < 1251732999 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1251733001 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to generate 125 empty cells < 1251733005 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, no < 1251733009 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@444(@-)(-) < 1251733011 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, wait < 1251733013 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need the (-) < 1251733017 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so @444(@-) < 1251733019 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that proves it's tc, but the proof requires a superturing compiler < 1251733023 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1251733032 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1251733037 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proof requires infinite memory :P < 1251733042 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it allows for it < 1251733046 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1251733046 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the computer has infinite memory < 1251733066 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof don't require memory < 1251733084 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1251733087 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what IS a superturing compiler < 1251733089 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*proofs < 1251733098 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler needs to know when the program halts < 1251733108 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for BF compatibility < 1251733113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, if it can do that, then you can compile all halting programs to your language < 1251733120 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1251733121 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can < 1251733137 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah < 1251733143 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1251733156 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the BF->Bafie compiler? < 1251733157 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, because all programs either halt or not, that does prove all bf programs that halt can be compiled to your language, there's just no algorithm to do it. < 1251733175 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean... that doesn't prove such an algo exists, naturally one does < 1251733176 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1251733182 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can extend by need < 1251733186 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1251733197 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the main problem < 1251733203 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :counting how many cells did a program use < 1251733211 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd require to interpret the whole program < 1251733213 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1251733214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a very subtle and interesting issue, don't try to understand it < 1251733221 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1251733228 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i should just know what of it < 1251733233 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my language TC? :P < 1251733245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is, but you need to show how to actually extend the tape < 1251733251 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you need to do it every time you go out of tape < 1251733258 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you go out of tape < 1251733259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise there's no way to actually do the compilation < 1251733262 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you go back to the first entry < 1251733267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about +[>+] < 1251733278 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1251733281 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-halting programs can't be compiled the way you said < 1251733281 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could add a new command < 1251733289 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: but how do you know you're out of the tape? < 1251733294 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to add a cell ONLY if it's the last cell < 1251733296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just wrap around if you go out of it < 1251733315 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the problem < 1251733325 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem of Bafie < 1251733345 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was designed to wrap the tape around AND make it of definable size < 1251733351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the boring way out of it < 1251733362 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1251733375 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the design means that it can't create a new cell if you're out of the tape either < 1251733379 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would need to alert you somehow < 1251733380 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1251733385 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also i don't want it to stop execution < 1251733396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "more interesting" one (or maybe just more tedious) is to keep the index you're at, currently, and the size of memory allocated, always with you < 1251733408 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1251733421 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpreter can by default only read values 000-444 (base 5) < 1251733424 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 0-124 (base 10) < 1251733433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by having the tape contain actual data in every second cell, and in the other cells, carry around these indices < 1251733441 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1251733456 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1251733465 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could add a command to output the index of the cell you're at into the current cell < 1251733468 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's useless :P < 1251733477 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also damages data < 1251733502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should probably just leave this issue for now, and say "it's probably TC" :P < 1251733503 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, reminds me of my RinGy language < 1251733525 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no < 1251733529 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will try to find it out < 1251733535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go ahead < 1251733537 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory is originally finite, _ inserts a blank memory set to 0 < 1251733538 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, BF doesn't tell you about it either < 1251733546 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you are < 1251733552 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the size is also undefined < 1251733556 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defined by the interpreter < 1251733563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming bf with infinite memory < 1251733577 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1251733578 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh THAT < 1251733578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise bf is a trivial language < 1251733584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, mathematically < 1251733597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just list all programs and their outputs, and run them in constant time :) < 1251733598 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could have an extra command < 1251733619 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've turned into a mathematician :< < 1251733624 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<...> - if the (index%125) doesnt match up with the current register's value, do ... < 1251733628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, gotta go read number theory -> < 1251733635 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not help me? :( < 1251733705 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, firefly < 1251733708 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was RinGy TC? < 1251733755 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know yet < 1251733765 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has some other stuff making it harder to determine, though < 1251733840 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1251733907 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251734922 0 :Slereah[EF]!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-63-101.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1251735008 0 :Slereah[EF]!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1251735323 0 :svarg!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1251735361 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251735367 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251735475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1251735496 0 :oklofok!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1251736866 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1251737036 0 :ineiros!n=itniemin@130.233.178.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251737054 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://apina.biz/19780.png < 1251737172 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in two years, it'll be 2012, and i'll be living in the basement waiting for the end of the world < 1251737184 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give or take a year < 1251737187 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That dude is NEET < 1251737189 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1251737203 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be 23 in *three years*, so don't give any years < 1251737209 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, second time i forget my age < 1251737547 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-075-206.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1251737560 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"gone" < 1251737601 0 :ineiros!n=itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1251737828 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1251739421 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1251739573 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-0-152.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1251739748 0 :Libertine!n=libertin@cpc1-norw7-0-0-cust879.pete.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1251739751 0 :Libertine!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIiiiii < 1251739757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1251739770 0 :Libertine!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh this is an esoteric programming channel < 1251739774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1251739786 0 :Libertine!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking for other esoteric stuff < 1251739788 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-160-121-141.range86-160.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1251739810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Libertine: sorry, I'm not entirely sure where to find it; freenode is probably the wrong network, though < 1251739856 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like esoteric esoteric programming? < 1251739859 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in < 1251739867 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric programming in esoteric programming languages < 1251739884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: no, it's someone who's come to the wrong channel by mistake; 'esoteric' has more than one meaning < 1251739885 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like an eso interpreter? < 1251739889 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1251740001 0 :Libertine!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I heard brainfuck is an esoteric language, anyone here use it? < 1251740006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, lots of us < 1251740009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the bots, too < 1251740014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!Hello, world! < 1251740014 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1251740031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly, though, we aren't mad enough to try to use it for anything serious < 1251740035 0 :Libertine!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks totally incomprehensible < 1251740040 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people are < 1251740044 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the decss decoder < 1251740056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, many esolangs are designed to look difficult < 1251740100 0 :Libertine!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. I see < 1251740122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some actually are more difficult than others < 1251740147 0 :Libertine!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried to program in Java (my first programming language) but I find it difficult < 1251740151 0 :Libertine!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why might this be? Am I stupid? < 1251740165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's because Java is really obnoxious < 1251740197 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a beginner, java is a horrible choice, imo < 1251740200 0 :Libertine!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear this from many experienced programmers; java is awful etc. Not a good first language. < 1251740219 0 :Libertine!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which languages are considered good for a beginner? < 1251740231 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would consider python < 1251740232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: let's say, I know someone else whose first language was Java, and they ended up awful at programming < 1251740252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I was thinking Python too; although there's lots I don't like about it, it's OK for a beginner < 1251740270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC's good if you don't want to be demoralized, although it's less good for actual learning < 1251740292 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with java, you never start "thinking in programming", because you're first instinct when you see a problem isn't to quickly code it up, or at least quickly think of a solution in your head < 1251740296 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a verbose language < 1251740302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is a all-around good language. Flawed, but it doesn't do anything actually *horribly*. < 1251740321 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your first < 1251740324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another advantage of Python is that it is at least easy to read < 1251740429 0 :Libertine!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoy programming in Java at times, but it seems like a lot of effort to to accomplish minor tasks. I have two large half-read Java books gathering dust, so should I start learning Python to get back some of my motivation? Thanks for answering my questions oklofok, ais523, pikhq < 1251740444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1251740449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1251740494 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely learn Python. One of the things it definitely gets right is that it's easy to do minor tasks in it. < 1251740504 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lot of effort for minor tasks, and most of all lots of effort to build a good abstraction, although that's true for most OO, i guess. < 1251740515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this feature makes any language much easier to learn) < 1251740749 0 :Libertine!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you! :) < 1251740841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does sudo store the needed info for the "don't have to enter password again if you recently used sudo in the same terminal" thingy < 1251740855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for some reason it doesn't work between different terminal tabs for me *shrug*) < 1251740878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: /var/run/sudo < 1251740900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm empty but ok < 1251740922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GUI versions of sudo tend to use daemons, to avoid writing anything to disk < 1251740947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that directory contains a directory with the user name, which contains three empty files: 0 1 unknown < 1251740948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1251741015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the timestamps of the files are relevant? < 1251741074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe < 1251741080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a weird way to store it < 1251741304 0 :Libertine!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1251741755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand screen dimming timeout on my laptop... < 1251741780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it dims after about a minute inactive, sometimes it is about half a minute, sometimes closer to 5 minutes < 1251741789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all during the same session... and on AC... < 1251743509 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish there was an esolang that can do 3d rendering < 1251743535 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: Deltaplex < 1251743971 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an esolang that never says/returns the truth? < 1251743990 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1251744054 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1251744055 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 2+2 < 1251744057 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it returns any value < 1251744058 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not 4 < 1251744070 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want it to print "Hello, world!" < 1251744075 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it saying anything EXCEPT "Hello, world!" < 1251744080 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prints* < 1251744087 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want it to lie < 1251744090 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program ends < 1251747744 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1251747749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about sadol < 1251747755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there is a raytracer in it? < 1251747768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Deltaplex has primitives for 3D graphics, though < 1251747771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so likely is better for it < 1251747775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, using opengl? < 1251747807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think so < 1251747809 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251747818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, anyway, all tc languages can render 3D graphics, for example I could imagine a bf render.bf < input > output < 1251747821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar < 1251747826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that outputs a ppm or even png < 1251747833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though png seems overkill < 1251747850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc ppm is a trivially simple format < 1251748003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251748883 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just ascii-texty; Windows bitmaps aren't much more complicated. PNG would probably be a lot more boring to write, lots of header bytes there. (But you can put uncompressed blocks into a deflate/zlib stream.) < 1251749165 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1251749951 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@83.197.226.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251752079 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1251752215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:34:34 oerjan: you don't have a blog though, right? < 1251752215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:37:26 i don't recall you explicitly pointing out that difference < 1251752219 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, and context? < 1251752277 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as always, context is left as an exercise < 1251752315 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i've decided to try to do that less < 1251752319 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm xkcd < 1251753070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, I time travelled here from yesterday < 1251753194 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i can find nothing i said that provides context for those two lines < 1251753224 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the last day or so) < 1251753225 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the xkcd about your life < 1251753233 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was much further than that < 1251753241 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain isn't all that linear < 1251753255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm might be easier to look up the xkcd < 1251753276 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure it was linked, you said they made an xkcd about your life < 1251753291 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one where the dude knows french < 1251753354 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall making a joke about it, lessee... < 1251753387 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.91.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251753396 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, http://xkcd.com/621/ < 1251753429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think we ever got past present and perfect tenses, anyway < 1251753465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(past present not a phrase, there) < 1251753469 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you don't share your dreams < 1251753596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (past present not a phrase, there) <-- damn.. it sounded so logical < 1251753599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for once < 1251753609 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm today i had this dream where i was in my childhood home (i think) and it suddenly dropped over a cliff < 1251753613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it sounded perfect < 1251753638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry for that oerjan. credit should go to you probably) < 1251753657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i didn't notice it until you pointed it out < 1251753658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:45:02 you should probably just leave this issue for now, and say "it's probably TC" :P < 1251753663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fixed-size tape is obviously not TC < 1251753668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I think I copied a joke you made some years ago < 1251753672 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you misunderstood the issue, ehird < 1251753672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if program-defined < 1251753689 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any halting program is compilable to it < 1251753695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think I did, I think if you think I did you're reading too much intellectualism into asie's lang < 1251753699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: ofc < 1251753716 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was all i said, the tc part was about indexing being possible, but hard to explain how to do it rigorously < 1251753719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: ,[>] is trivially not < 1251753732 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[>] ? < 1251753736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF < 1251753752 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it, and do you mean ,[>,] < 1251753784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like the house was balancing on the edge, and just tipped. except i have to deduce that since i dreamed from the inside of the house < 1251753786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't give ,[>] a fixed tape size, yet it sometimes halts < 1251753797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess ,negate[>] would be more interesting < 1251753804 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's outside my scope < 1251753814 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[>] always halts < 1251753840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: um < 1251753844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you will find it does not < 1251753862 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does? < 1251753862 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1251753872 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why wouldn't it? :\ < 1251753875 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must be dreaming then < 1251753926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1251753926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1251753930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm crazy :) < 1251753937 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it continued moving, i think, but then i woke up so i don't know where it was moving to. not that i was dreaming the landscape clearly anyhow < 1251753939 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[>+] is what you meant < 1251753943 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1251753956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I meant ,{go > input times} but that involves so much code and dkjdkflhggk < 1251753969 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... see < 1251753976 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that always halts < 1251753985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes < 1251753986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dsfdfkgj < 1251753990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, I slept at 5:30am after getting severely tired at 8pm, then woke up, lay in bed for hours and finally got up at 8pm, absolutely tired < 1251753996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am hardly to be expected to be coherent < 1251754023 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not judging your incoherence, just stating facts and rubbing my nose < 1251754056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to go check between was a real word just now < 1251754074 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1251754093 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, last time i drank beer was after christmas, when the landlady came down with some leftovers from the party < 1251754101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so i think < 1251754114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:44:14 http://apina.biz/19780.png < 1251754115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm like a blend between 15/18 (my curtains darken a lot and cover the whole window), 10 (because those curtains are quite often, gasp, open) and 23 (because I have a modern computer) < 1251754117 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i only need to make a blog with apologies and i should be all set < 1251754134 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do it, i'd love to read your blog < 1251754151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: even if it _only_ contains apologies for not posting more? < 1251754155 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish interesting people wrote blogs :\ < 1251754203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:29:46 I was looking for other esoteric stuff < 1251754204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how anyone who can take such other esoteric stuff seriously knows what brainfuck is < 1251754208 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well naturally i'd read it < 1251754210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, rather, knows java more < 1251754220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it doesn't require much intelligence to fail at coding java, but :) < 1251754273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:02:35 I don't understand screen dimming timeout on my laptop... < 1251754274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:03:00 sometimes it dims after about a minute inactive, sometimes it is about half a minute, sometimes closer to 5 minutes < 1251754274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:03:09 all during the same session... and on AC... < 1251754274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2009/08/20/9876113.aspx? < 1251754398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: the basic problem is my life is boring so nothing to write about, i have no strong opinions (except that it's horribly wrong to have strong opinions), and i don't particularly care to write about things that people can read elsewhere < 1251754411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm... maybe. < 1251754430 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you could write about the little things, record your movements < 1251754437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a good feature to me < 1251754441 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love that, maybe you could set up like a video camera? < 1251754444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, definitely wasn't a media player or such though < 1251754449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: write about how much you hate strong opinions < 1251754454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: err, read the post properly < 1251754455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but possibly something like the other alternative < 1251754465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ... please wait for me to finish my comment first ;P < 1251754493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dude, read the post < 1251754494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the OS does it < 1251754497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: hm a comedy blog... maybe < 1251754497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of program < 1251754498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in WIndows < 1251754501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ehird, but possibly something like the other alternative < 1251754503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1251754505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the OS < 1251754506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1251754510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read what I said properly < 1251754511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well < 1251754515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the former wasn't even mentioned < 1251754521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure it was < 1251754521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so talking about it to me is fucking stupid < 1251754524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the post properly < 1251754533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"First of all, there are ways for programs to block the screen saver entirely. Calling SetThreadExecutionState(ES_DISPLAY_REQUIRED), is how a program says, "Even though there is no mouse or keyboard input, the screen is indeed in use, so don't blank it or start the screen saver." Media playback programs use this so the screen saver doesn't kick in while you're watching a movie on your DVD, and present < 1251754533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ation programs use it so the screen saver doesn't start in the middle of your multi-million-dollar proposal. " < 1251754534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1251754538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not mentioned I guess < 1251754552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly a figment of imagination that quote < 1251754553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1251754585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well? < 1251754594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1251754596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is to disable it < 1251754597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not delay it < 1251754599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not applicable < 1251754622 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comment says it's to delay it < 1251754622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I meant, it wasn't temp disabled due to some such app later exiting < 1251754632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1251754882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meow < 1251754886 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so that proves it's tc, but the proof requires a superturing compiler < 1251754912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the definition of tc requires that the reduction is done by something subturing, halting. < 1251754984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SNAPPETH < 1251754990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MATHEMATICS IN YOUR FACE OKLOPOL < 1251754993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1251755050 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snappethicious < 1251755106 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1251755231 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really i just tried to get asiekierka to understand the whole indexing issue, compilation vs interpretation time extending < 1251755237 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"indexing issue" < 1251755254 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1251755350 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i've seen that elsewhere, having to extend dynamically, carrying a bignum on the bf tape < 1251755377 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you have to solve it even in the basic infinite tape with bignums problem < 1251755392 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a similar problem at least < 1251755677 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@host86-163-44-163.range86-163.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1251755703 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251755753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doo dooo dooo doo dooooooooooooooooooo < 1251755767 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never < 1251755768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1251755781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the doo doo do, do the do the do the do the doo doo < 1251755797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do doo doo do the do doo doo, do doo doo doo doo dooooooo!!!!!!!! < 1251755842 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1251755855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah! < 1251755857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sa song < 1251755859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of songness < 1251755861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :songolisity < 1251755870 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1251755916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vulgar #esoteric, of vulgarities hitherto, giving vulgarities within < 1251756062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Assets" < 1251756095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vagrant vagabonds are vulgar in #esoteric < 1251756134 0 :Sgeo!i=897d2941@gateway/web/freenode/x-iklmbgotdkcmgtgf JOIN :#esoteric < 1251756215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo < 1251756218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oegS ih < 1251756230 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1251756250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variously vagrant vagabonds < 1251756311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variously vagrant vagabonds' vocation vulgar < 1251756320 0 :puzzlet__!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251756323 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1251756372 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1251756488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vanguard! Variously vagrant vagabonds' vocation vulgar < 1251756523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variously vagrant vanguard vagabonds' vocation vulgar < 1251756531 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1251756730 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vampire vagabonds! < 1251756803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vanguard! Variously vagrant vampire vagabonds' vocation vulgar < 1251756806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1251756817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variously vagrant vanguard vampire vagabonds' vocation vulgar < 1251756883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vulgarly vomiting voracious vampire vagabonds < 1251756884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god < 1251756885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://perl6.org/ < 1251756889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The colours... the < 1251756891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the fuck < 1251756893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A butterfly on LSD < 1251756896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is talking to me < 1251756900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS THIS THE PERL 6 SITE < 1251756914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, nice "download" link, didya make that with johnny's first glossy button maker? < 1251756916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAGH MY EYES < 1251756951 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think there's a tendency to < 1251756951 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go way too abstract in most of these proposals. I want something < 1251756952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with gut appeal on the order of Tux." < 1251756967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think penguins are tastier than butterflies < 1251756971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just guessing though < 1251756983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so larry wall confused gut appeal with gut wrenching? < 1251757031 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only part of that site that's annoying to me is "spokesbug" < 1251757049 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, it might not be an entirely professional looking site, but does it need to be? < 1251757059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo < 1251757061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1251757063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1251757065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop talking < 1251757093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I'll have to conclude you're both colourblind and a three year year old who wants to be addressed as such < 1251757136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well it's certainly cheerful at least < 1251757153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheerful like vomit that makes the shape of a smile < 1251757206 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WARNING: Image may be offensive to cynics and other people who think they have taste" < 1251757216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who said that < 1251757220 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did < 1251757223 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as bad as http://www.reddit.com/r/hurts_my_eyes < 1251757225 0 :puzzlet__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251757228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're being sarcastic right oerjan < 1251757232 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251757244 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, except i'm not quite sure against who < 1251757265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably both sides < 1251757304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider it part of my recently declared jihad against strong opinions < 1251757371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think strong opinions are quite alright < 1251757396 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"submitted 8 månader ago by" < 1251757398 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice english < 1251757412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: incomplete translation < 1251757420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :change to english < 1251757432 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not with that eye-bleading version < 1251757441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you can read the text? :P < 1251757450 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of it < 1251757452 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1251757488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm made of seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeecrets < 1251757492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeecrets < 1251757494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepets < 1251757496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeecrets < 1251757515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUUUUUUT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND < 1251757520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fltop < 1251757522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftlop < 1251757642 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the perl site is nice < 1251757654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: yes, but you have that IE stylesheeter < 1251757691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: there's an awful LSD bug to the right, and the boxes are in colours alternately 3-year-oldesque and puke-looking < 1251757704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have shadows. < 1251757710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and borders. < 1251757746 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, right, i mostly liked the color scheme < 1251757748 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1251757774 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bug isn't that bad when the rest is black and white imo, although it could be a little less gay < 1251757775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: the white on black colour scheme? :P < 1251757781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget the font! < 1251757790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wonderfully monospaced font. < 1251758078 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Your opinion on strong opinions seems to be ... rather strong. < 1251758111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: YOU GOT THE JOKE! < 1251758125 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND THEN I ANNOUNCED IT. < 1251758128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands GregorR a Certificate of Having Got the Joke < 1251758135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're special. < 1251758139 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I have a certificate of having announced the joke? < 1251758159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands GregorR a Forged Certificate of Having Announced the Joke < 1251758188 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at it carefully through a monocle. < 1251758207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: It has a EURion constellation on it. < 1251758211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they were for certificates. < 1251758214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out they're for money. < 1251758219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that's illegal. < 1251758345 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone at work suggested embedding that thing in a figure in some published scientific paper. Would be a nice surprise for someone trying to run it through a copier. < 1251758352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1251758364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Notes on the EURion Constellation" < 1251758368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "submitted 8 månader ago by" wait, you can read the text? :P <-- that? yes < 1251758371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"right, I'll give this to the prof" < 1251758377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1251758378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"put it in and..." < 1251758379 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1251758380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP < 1251758383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fuck :(" < 1251758389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait, how did he print it in the first place < 1251758399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, that would have been a more realistic joke < 1251758443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Someone at work suggested embedding that thing in a figure in some published scientific paper. Would be a nice surprise for someone trying to run it through a copier. <-- what are you talking about? < 1251758476 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurion_constellation < 1251758675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1251758719 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I've read, it's mainly really only color photocopiers that use it, and the image-processing-software currency-detect-o-tron does something else. < 1251758726 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1251758750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I scanned and printed out a £5 note with the scanner/printer here < 1251758753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GUESS IT'S TOO DUMB < 1251758770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that note has the pattern? < 1251758784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :British pound (sterling) Bank of England £5 (2002), £10 (2000), £20 (1999 & 2007) £50 (not yet upgraded) < 1251758788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1251758791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1251758806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, one side of our coins have a new design: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/New_British_Coinage_2008.jpg < 1251758812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's pretty. < 1251758829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it looks like they're all misprinted! < 1251758833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cool. < 1251758845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1251758860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It totally does look like their printer was misaligned. :) < 1251758869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the text though < 1251758871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1251758892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 7 sided coins? < 1251758893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1251758900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1251758909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fifty pence" < 1251758913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is seven-sided < 1251758916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not round < 1251758919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unusual < 1251758926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor is ten pence < 1251758932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes indeed < 1251758942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old coins: http://z.about.com/d/studenttravel/1/0/j/B/all-british-coins.jpg < 1251758945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1251758946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1251758949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ten pence is < 1251758954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twenty pence isn't < 1251758955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, right < 1251758961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lacks the two-pound, though < 1251758965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which looks AWESOME < 1251758969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.1yet.com/uploaded_images/TwoPoundCoinBack%5B1%5D-762186.jpg < 1251758977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're separate coins: http://www.capturedlightning.com/frames/2Pound_6300J2.jpg < 1251758983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like you put a gold ring around a one pound coin < 1251758997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I find non-round coins unusual. Ok? < 1251759002 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia sourcelessly says "an equilaterally curved heptagon to aid identification"; I like the irregular shape. < 1251759006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're just a stupid dirty Swede. < 1251759014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1251759020 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1251759021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can take the coin apart? < 1251759024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1251759026 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2 point coin doesn't come apart < 1251759032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.capturedlightning.com/frames/2Pound_6300J2.jpg < 1251759033 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not easily < 1251759038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but uneasily :P < 1251759042 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah sure < 1251759050 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a general property of metal < 1251759053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1251759054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A more real sort of picture: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/4/47/20080404153939!British_2_pound_coin_regular_obverse.JPG < 1251759090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a decagon coin. < 1251759093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or more) < 1251759096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :observe the obverse! < 1251759140 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh there's a spam page on the wiki which is an edit to an old spam that was missed... < 1251759145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1251759146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I want an n sided coin where lim n->inf < 1251759160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You realise you just said "I want a circular coin". < 1251759167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, of course < 1251759173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that was my whole point XD < 1251759181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, it wasn't funny so I wasn't sure < 1251759199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wasn't meant to be funny, was meant to be dry and boring < 1251759201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope it was < 1251759216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you didn't have to try for that; you always are. < 1251759220 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.joelscoins.com/oops.htm "unusual coins"; but the stranger ones aren't in regular use. < 1251759222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, thanks < 1251759277 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that russian joke was actually a bit funny, so maybe not really spam < 1251759281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Somalian coins? Hmm, right, I guess it does have some sort of market < 1251759284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite being anarchic < 1251759289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except how would it get on that page otherwise < 1251759291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm silly, incidentally < 1251759309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which joke < 1251759360 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251759361 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a geocities page for someone who's trying to collect different shapes. < 1251759367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wuzzajoke < 1251759378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fioh my god those three-sided coins < 1251759381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best coin shape ever < 1251759384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1251759385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: < 1251759417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD @ somali republic guitar coins < 1251759433 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that spam page i mentioned, the old spam was a joke in russian < 1251759451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: translation? < 1251759491 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google's lousy translation: "The teacher asks Vovochka: - Little Johnny, why do you yesterday did not come to school? - Grandpa burns received ... - Oh! But seriously hurt? - Of course! In the crematorium are not joking." < 1251759510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD that's funny because it isn't < 1251759540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(little Johnny == Vovochka, except they're in different case and google only translates one of them fully to english) < 1251759596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/RX28c.jpg someone submit this to http://xkcd.com/chesscoaster/ :P < 1251759613 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nominative and accusative, not upper and lower) < 1251759887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is scary how much of what xkcd suggests is later done in real life < 1251759895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think what awesome power that is < 1251759913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a comic about that, except he said it less... stupidly < 1251759922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i think it was a comic. < 1251759934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, link < 1251759940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's not really awesome power. consider how many readers, some MUST be planning a trip somewhere, < 1251759948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a rollercoaster < 1251759952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not that hard to glue a chessboard together < 1251759960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like 15 minutes of work total for internet fame < 1251759972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh maybe. But what about that wetriffs? < 1251759974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly a huge thing to get people to do < 1251759989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah, it's not like people have egos to be stroked or anything < 1251759998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1251760000 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: he added a disclaimer to the flying with counterweight comic < 1251760010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1251760014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(link?) < 1251760039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/620/ < 1251760057 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather that was the hovertext < 1251760077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not referencing it < 1251760083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a standard joke "don't try this at home" < 1251760091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which everyone does < 1251760097 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still relevant though < 1251760103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so's your mom < 1251760681 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 180 seconds < 1251760781 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1251761005 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1251761037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy australian mailman mailing list reminders day!!! < 1251761038 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1251761041 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1251761092 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1251761110 0 :oklofok!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1251761976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1251761976 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1251762035 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome... local sci-fi station is actually getting the new Stargate series as it comes out, rather than months later < 1251762187 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably have a time machinr < 1251762195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tim machina < 1251762197 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*e < 1251762203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e machinr? < 1251762233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sjut op yoo