< 1252283119 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1252283250 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1252284222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am from the future < 1252284237 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I traveled from 1992 to hear you say that. < 1252284246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i can reference xkcd < 1252284250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am culturally relevant" < 1252284266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and socially respectable, also." < 1252284275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the future we have no folly < 1252284339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa you can do < 1252284340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do < 1252284343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : foo < 1252284347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while (blah); < 1252284349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks so wrong. < 1252284495 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what language? < 1252284577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C < 1252284586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just part of the general if (x) y thing < 1252284592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can do it for do/while, which looks freaky! < 1252284599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also. < 1252284604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer K&R declarations < 1252284605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I insane? < 1252284654 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1252284668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but < 1252284672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer a proper typesystem. < 1252284672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main(argc,argv) < 1252284675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know right there < 1252284678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's passing argc and argv < 1252284680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's helpful < 1252284681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1252284682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int argc; < 1252284684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok we want an int < 1252284687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char *argv[]; < 1252284688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1252284689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1252284692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main(int argc, char *argv[]) < 1252284695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the names are buried < 1252284698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to digest it all at once < 1252284701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't very procedural < 1252284781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just crazy :( < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "modern" C looks so ugly. < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so unreadable. so much metacruft. < 1252285147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K&R is a bit redundant, but the problem is that it has no type-safety < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main(argc,argv) < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : int argc; < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : char *argv[]; < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that not type safe < 1252285147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the caller sees "int foo (var)" and has no idea what to pass < 1252285147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I completely agree about the ugliness < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz see ↑ < 1252285147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the standards committee refuses to add keywords :( < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K&R is *easier* to digest < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get some semi-descriptive names, so you know the general order; and then you can poke at the indented bit next (up to unindented { - very easy to spot) and see the specific types for each < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this also makes it easier to read linearly too < 1252285147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great. what is argc? < 1252285147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, mistype < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[int < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main(argc,argv) < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : int argc; < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : char *argv[]; < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with more indentation < 1252285147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean the declaration < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a tab before those argc/argv type lines < 1252285147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the definition it's fine < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well sure < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the declaration, do < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(int,char*[]) or something < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because declarations are shit < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just hacks for compilers < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't really care about style in declarations < 1252285147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :declarations are also hacks for people < 1252285147 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEOPLE SUCK < 1252285147 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCREW PEOPLE < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. declarations are a portal to perfect understanding of a function < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why we don't have any man pages. < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : int < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : execve(const char *path, char *const argv[], char *const envp[]); < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shazam! < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know comprehend everything about execve < 1252285147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not a fan of a manpage-per-function approach
< 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : int < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : snprintf(char *restrict s, size_t n, const char *restrict format, ...); < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, of course! < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: still < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :documentation < 1252285147 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : void *mmap(void *addr, size_t length, int prot, int flags, < 1252285147 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : int fd, off_t offset); < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Oh! It's obvious! < 1252285147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I agree. Still easier to scan a file than load up the documentation and attempt to track something down < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :header files never include docs. < 1252285147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use C++ < 1252285147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1252285147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about I just stab my eyes out with a brick wall < 1252285148 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1252285154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then castrate myself by bashing my penis through my eye sockets repeatedly < 1252285158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lobotomising myself in the process < 1252285165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be significantly less painful < 1252285170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and way more enjoyable < 1252285176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, I think < 1252285180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be just the same < 1252285183 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go ahead. At least I wouldn't have to listen to you complain about non-Haskell languages < 1252285198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because the only language I like is haskell < 1252285208 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He admits it! < 1252285208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you don't even get to say anything. you *like* c++ < 1252285219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're basically like a jew < 1252285221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a black person < 1252285222 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did I say I like C++ < 1252285227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :insignificant and never has any useful opinions! < 1252285229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: in here < 1252285236 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you misread me < 1252285266 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said I program C++ by choice, I did not say I like the language < 1252285289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then, you're into masochism < 1252285360 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should do some homework
< 1252285408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1252285473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another C peeve: < 1252285480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is main() of type int, dammit < 1252285485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes people use return in one function < 1252285488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and exit() in another < 1252285508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be void and the caller of main() should have exit(0) afterwards. gr. < 1252286289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because C is a ridiculously inconsistent language. < 1252286346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, C++ headers are genuinely *awful*. < 1252286360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially for the standard template library. < 1252286362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shudder* < 1252286482 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep in mind that usu _start just calls exit with the return from main :P < 1252286841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I KNOW IT'S SO STUPID < 1252286850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have to have been purposefully dense to do it this way. < 1252287066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KEN THOMPSON < 1252287068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DENNIS RITCHIE < 1252287070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRIAN KERNIGHAN < 1252287072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND OTHER PEOPLE < 1252287075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM GOING TO MURDER YOU < 1252287077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is all < 1252287179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://downloadmoreram.com/ < 1252287748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C needs things like != x → x = !x < 1252287894 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C needs many things. < 1252287900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but < 1252287900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of which are in C++. < 1252287906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grid[x][y] = !grid[x][y] < 1252287910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hurr I suck cocks" < 1252287913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hurr I make you repeat" < 1252287916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1252287919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!= grid[x][y] < 1252287922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hurr because i suck cocks" < 1252287925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i am C" < 1252287927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hello" < 1252288618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sites.google.com/site/ryanbroomfield/xkcd-sans-women < 1252288717 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1252289345 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1252290853 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252290881 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's "Sgeo-cybernetics"? < 1252290918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the flying fuck are we meant to know?!?!?!! < 1252290927 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ccbb.biosci.utexas.edu/seminars.html < 1252290938 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just thinks it's humerous
< 1252290960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:01:35 http://ccbb.biosci.utexas.edu/seminars.html < 1252290960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:01:47 "The term "Sgeo-cybernetics" was first proposed in 2005 by Reyes et.al." < 1252290960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008-06-24 < 1252290989 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googled for Sgeo-cybernetics, but found no further information
< 1252291003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ < 1252291008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your memory is short < 1252291033 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The term "Sgeo-cybernetics" was first proposed in 2005 by Reyes et.al." . I meant further than that < 1252291061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2008-06-24" < 1252291068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mentioned this more than a year ago < 1252291077 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1252292255 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1252292869 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1252293775 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1252294144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Fri Aug 07 2009 Kristian Høgsberg - 2.8.0-4 < 1252294144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Add dri2-page-flip.patch to enable full screen pageflipping. < 1252294144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Fixes XKCD #619. < 1252294146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=126369 < 1252294270 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.explosm.net/comics/1785/ Everyone must watch this. Everyeone. < 1252294273 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Everyone < 1252294324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyanide and happiness eh < 1252294327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a guess GregorR < 1252294333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it involve sex or murder < 1252294340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or insults < 1252294347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a stretch i know < 1252294352 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the first two: Only extremely proximally. To the latter: No. < 1252294362 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an animation. And it's unbelievable. It's ... omg just watch it. < 1252294365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure this is a cyanide and happiness production < 1252294369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also does it requirea udio. < 1252294373 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1252294379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1252294380 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will, once Code::Blocks is installed, write his own linked list implementation, to see if he can
< 1252294392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow Sgeo, you can write your own linked list implementation using an IDE < 1252294395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Master programmer. < 1252294399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must be so proud of yourself. < 1252294404 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, because linked lists are a wildly difficult beast :P < 1252294414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally. You need a whole installed IDE to tackle them. < 1252294427 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's the debugging. < 1252294432 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too lazy to figure out gcc or g++ or whatever >.> < 1252294434 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Inevitably you'll have segfaults up the wazoo < 1252294452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: stab. < 1252294460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please kill yourself :| < 1252294476 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hahahah < 1252294485 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't read the name, I thought that was ehird making fun of Sgeo. < 1252294490 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's too stupid of a statement otherwise. < 1252294495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1252294654 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: o_O < 1252294669 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Watchin' the awesomeness? 8-D < 1252294677 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finished < 1252294689 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS IT NOT AWESOME?! < 1252294737 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird < 1252294797 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahaha < 1252294812 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so wonderfully dramatic! < 1252296371 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/XZMPOHm8 < 1252296785 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-191.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1252296848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you're so special. < 1252296859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : bool result = true; < 1252296860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : result *= !(this->next()) || (this->next()->prev() == this); < 1252296860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : result *= !(this->prev()) || (this->prev()->next() == this); < 1252296860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return result; < 1252296865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ladies and gentlemen < 1252296872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is retarded at boolean logic < 1252296892 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I posted it, I realized that I should have replaced the || with && and gotten rid of the ! < 1252296900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how yours isn't even a linked list, just a node < 1252296907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the user has to handle pushing himself. < 1252296914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*themself < 1252297345 0 :Tenacity!n=john@c-75-66-41-100.hsd1.tn.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252297368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tenacity. < 1252297373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how...tenacious? < 1252297374 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No way of changing the prev_item slot. < 1252297376 0 :Tenacity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ti < 1252297382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who you be. < 1252297383 0 :Tenacity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VERY tenacious < 1252297387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite so < 1252297391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are tenacity incarnate < 1252297398 0 :Tenacity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed I am < 1252297408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now who are you, scoundrel. < 1252297418 0 :Tenacity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scoundrel?! < 1252297425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1252297445 0 :Tenacity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've hardly had a chance to earn that title < 1252297463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, let's ask a more direct question < 1252297468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you come from < 1252297470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...scoundrel < 1252297537 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just meant to be me practicing making a class in C++, nothing major < 1252297537 0 :Tenacity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I come from the internet < 1252297562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: anybody who can't write a good linked list implementation in 5 minutes is a bad programmer, simple as < 1252297570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tenacity: we stab tricksy people, btw. < 1252297574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least I do. < 1252297599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this channel is about programming languages. < 1252297603 0 :Tenacity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, i shall don my stab proof armour, over my flame retardant armour < 1252297603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making sure. < 1252297611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flame ... retard < 1252297613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like. < 1252297616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i right. < 1252297637 0 :Tenacity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-/ < 1252297638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i right Tenacity. < 1252297662 0 :Tenacity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right about what? being a bad programmer? < 1252297672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea. < 1252297680 0 :Tenacity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. < 1252297685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you'd better not be here for the esoterick magick. that only goes on in the backroom. < 1252297696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stringent initiation procedures and all. < 1252297721 0 :Tenacity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic. Well I shall keep my intentions well hidden until then < 1252297723 0 :Tenacity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1252297734 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1252297914 0 :Tenacity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no summoning in this channel? < 1252298031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely, cough, not. < 1252299155 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow... < 1252299163 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just read that RollerCoaster Tycoon was entirely assembly
< 1252299173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1252299186 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that game is awesome < 1252299332 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : now who are you, scoundrel. <-- i'm going to assume you secretly know Tenacity from before, as otherwise i think this channel is _really_ going downhill < 1252299339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't :P < 1252299366 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you just think it is getting too crowded in here? < 1252299380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't actually, you know, being serious < 1252299556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i am of the persuation that one should actually know people a bit before teasing them with insults. you may have heard of this concept called "misunderstandings". < 1252299794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when you consider the general rowdy atmosphere of this place I think anyone who gets offended enough to leave by the amusingly archaic insult "scoundrel" has no chance... < 1252299807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i'd say that prolly applies to the internet in general. < 1252299834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's archaic? i may have missed some nuance here... < 1252299860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"scoundrel" evokes images of top hats and curled moustaches. < 1252299903 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION beats ehird severely with his cane O========O
< 1252299919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cane or double-ended penis < 1252299922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you decide. < 1252299933 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _knew_ i shouldn't have tried to draw that. < 1252300039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Rare on topic message for newcomers)!((0)(1)):^!S(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^ < 1252300040 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010010110 ...too much output! < 1252300083 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders when the last one was, but is too lazy to find out
< 1252300089 0 :Tenacity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dons his scoundrel hat and 'stache* < 1252300120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tenacity: yeah, dickwad. < 1252300127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see that humour i did there < 1252300133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i defended my jokingly archaic insult < 1252300144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and followed up a mention of it with a decidedly non-archaic insult! < 1252300148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just call me mr humour. < 1252300176 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just i have this vague recall of #esoteric being an unusually friendly place, once upon a time. < 1252300207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm friendly! as long as you always agree with me. < 1252300220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also, blame AnMaster. :P < 1252300234 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame the Malicious Duo < 1252300295 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i also have this vague recall of it often being on topic, but that may be just confirmation bias. < 1252300317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i read logs from 2002. < 1252300328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs were a rare topic < 1252300354 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bias it is, then. < 1252300370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was mostly life-related chat tbh. also i remember skimming through logs and seeing lament make a sarcastic comment about it being a channel about manga and lack of a social life, not esolangs. < 1252300390 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now manga we haven't had for a while i think < 1252300393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though 2005-2007 was quite an esolangy era in my estimation < 1252300407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Golden Age < 1252300412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm totally the channel's official archivist. < 1252300422 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1252300441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1252300442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/04.01.01 < 1252300443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woggle < 1252300544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: to reminisce of more esotericy times, try http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/06.10.05 < 1252300550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is worryingly long and esoteric < 1252300583 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric? < 1252300587 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds vaguely ontopic! < 1252300591 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lynch him < 1252300600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's my point! < 1252300607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it truly was a dark era. < 1252300624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway we've gotten steadily more active over the years, never dropping more than slightly < 1252300635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i suppose from a pure activity point of view this is the best! < 1252300735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits back before he gets nostalgia overload
< 1252300746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can die of that. < 1252300776 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. i used to do that back in the day. *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA* < 1252301563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1252302835 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1252302840 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1252303832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tenacity, new here? < 1252303946 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1252303953 0 :Warrigal!n=warrie@lunch.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1252304273 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1252304513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1252304529 0 :Tenacity!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1252304805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1252307837 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With JSON, you can make the commas and colons optional to save some space. {"foo"1"bar"[1,2nulltrue3]} < 1252307978 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are only needed to separate one number from another. < 1252308128 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@LRouen-152-83-15-79.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1252308386 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1252310399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1252310400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1252310568 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1252311489 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't foo: shorter than "foo"? < 1252311714 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then more commas are required, too be able to discern between '"foo1"' and '"foo", 1'. 'null', 'true' and 'false' would also need to be surrounded by separators. < 1252311766 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if 'null', 'true' and 'false' are the only word-like values, they do not need to be surrounded by separators. < 1252311785 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1252311952 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this "you could make", or actually "you are right now allowed to make"? I mean, at least the RFC4627 defining the application/json MIME type has a BNF that explicitly requires value-separators (commas) and name-separators (colons). < 1252312368 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess you're allowed to make whatever you want; it's just that it sounded like "you can just do this and it'll work with existing JSON parsers and everything". < 1252312543 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it when two different course-info-reporting systems are in conflict with each other; one says there's a lecture right now and the other says there isn't. Of course I only noticed the former and now I'm at school with nothing to do < 1252312848 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "you could make"... but then it wouldn't be JSON. < 1252313457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oodi and Noppa, or something else? < 1252313466 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, those to < 1252313468 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two* < 1252313478 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Oodi being the incorrect one this time < 1252313501 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter should get lecture information from the former, though. Except that I guess people only list exceptions in Noppa newsposts and so on. < 1252313552 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe the data transfer from one to another was more of a theoretical thing, actually; I think I remember manually adding lectures to Noppa. < 1252313671 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a separate news item in Noppa saying that lectures start on tuesday < 1252313687 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual lecture time data probably states monday in both places. < 1252313808 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, well, given that Oodi is this mysterious hulking beast, I'm not surprised they don't list "hey, let's skip the technically first lecture and start on Tuesday" decisions there. < 1252313902 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the AI course, it was reasonably simple to get the per-course "admin" bit set for my Noppa account, but we didn't even try to get me officially registered as the course-responsible-person-guy in Oodi, it seemed far too difficult. < 1252313918 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, great < 1252313954 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what's going to happen to the AI course now that the professor who used to be lecturing it has left. < 1252328458 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252328458 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252328458 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252328459 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252328459 0 :comex_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252328459 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252328655 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1252328655 0 :lifthrasiir!i=hjTj0ki3@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1252328655 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1252328655 0 :comex_!i=comex@c-98-210-198-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252328655 0 :zbrown!n=suifur@unaffiliated/zbrown JOIN :#esoteric < 1252328655 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1252329067 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1252331300 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1252331632 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1252332037 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-6-0.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252332734 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@80.13.78.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252335467 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1252339430 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-2-181.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252340767 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.104.243.245 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252341235 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1252342459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Hard to keep a project under wraps and get an audience at the same < 1252342459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time, it is. I do realise it was inevitable LKML would invade my < 1252342459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personal space no matter how much I didn't want it to, but it would be < 1252342459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rude of me to not respond.]] < 1252342460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— Con Kolivas, on the audacity of *someone on LKML benchmarking his scheduler!!!!!* < 1252343248 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-155-77-68.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1252343455 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-111-074.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1252345219 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@LRouen-152-83-15-79.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1252345291 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1252345462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, XD < 1252345500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess he should administrate some of that anaesthetic to himself huh? Oh I'm so witty. < 1252345800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1252350089 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-095-208-140-231.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1252351171 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1252351232 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1252351279 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1252353053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ntp is good: < 1252353055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7 Sep 20:50:35 ntpdate[9865]: adjust time server 192.36.143.153 offset 0.000063 sec < 1252353067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite accurate it managed to keep my clock < 1252353170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's on my desktop though, it seems less able to sync on my laptop < 1252355241 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.042874s here. Last sync was who knows how many days ago. But I set clock rate correction manually (not running ntpd): < 1252355255 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@host86-155-77-68.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1252355357 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correction parameters: Frequency: 1 957 969, Tick: 10 000. < 1252356197 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1252356403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, I run ntpd and it has been running continuously for weeks now < 1252356403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my laptop it is far from as good < 1252356403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, also what are those parameters for/from? < 1252356440 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: They are kernel parameters controlling clock rate correction. Tick is left at default value, frequency is computed from ntp time step data. < 1252356473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus... how much frequency is off varies over time due to stuff like temperature of the clock source in the computer and so on < 1252356482 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tick is coarse correction and frequency is fine correction. < 1252356509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, why are you setting it manually? < 1252356695 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252356696 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252356696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252356696 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252356698 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252356698 0 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:MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-2-181.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356773 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356773 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356773 0 :zbrown!n=suifur@unaffiliated/zbrown JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356773 0 :comex_!i=comex@c-98-210-198-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356773 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356773 0 :lifthrasiir!i=hjTj0ki3@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356773 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356773 0 :Warrigal!n=warrie@lunch.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356773 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356773 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-191.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356773 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356773 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356773 0 :mycroftiv!n=drabgah@69.128.47.245 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356773 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@130.233.228.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356773 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356773 0 :ineiros!n=itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356773 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356773 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356773 0 :mtve!n=mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252356862 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-129-21.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357067 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357117 0 :mtve!n=mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357383 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357384 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357384 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357384 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357384 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357385 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357385 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357385 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357385 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357385 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357385 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357385 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357385 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357385 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357386 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 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:olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-43-134.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r01snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :mtve!n=mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-129-21.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-095-208-140-231.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@LRouen-152-83-15-79.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-2-181.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :zbrown!n=suifur@unaffiliated/zbrown JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :comex_!i=comex@c-98-210-198-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :lifthrasiir!i=hjTj0ki3@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :Warrigal!n=warrie@lunch.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-191.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :mycroftiv!n=drabgah@69.128.47.245 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@130.233.228.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :ineiros!n=itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357435 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357663 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357663 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357664 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357664 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357664 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357664 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357664 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357665 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357665 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357665 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357665 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357665 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357665 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357665 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357665 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357666 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357666 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357666 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357666 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357666 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357666 0 :comex_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357666 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357666 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357667 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357667 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357667 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357667 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357668 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357668 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357668 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357669 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357758 0 :nescience!n=myndzi@67-40-212-106.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :lament!n=lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-43-134.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r01snw275.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :mtve!n=mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-129-21.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-095-208-140-231.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@LRouen-152-83-15-79.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-2-181.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :zbrown!n=suifur@unaffiliated/zbrown JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :comex_!i=comex@c-98-210-198-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :lifthrasiir!i=hjTj0ki3@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :Warrigal!n=warrie@lunch.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-191.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :mycroftiv!n=drabgah@69.128.47.245 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@130.233.228.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :ineiros!n=itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357758 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357823 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@host86-155-77-68.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357823 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357823 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357823 0 :HackEgo!n=HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1252357882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, < 1252357882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: tick is coarse correction and frequency is fine correction. < 1252357882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm ok < 1252357882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : still, why not ntpd < 1252357882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the netsplit < 1252357882 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because its name ends in 'd'? I definitely want to keep everything listening to the net at minimum. < 1252357883 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I wouldn't have a firewall, but still. < 1252357883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, you can set it to not provide a server < 1252357883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just be a client < 1252357883 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. But clock on this computer isn't that important. < 1252357885 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252357885 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This desktop of mine has recently (er, well, "not always"; it has been quite a while) somehow caught the habit of having a horrible clock drift; something like 2 milliseconds per second. (So almost three minutes per day.) < 1252357892 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fast or slow? < 1252357901 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slow, I think. < 1252357911 0 :mtve!n=mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1252358017 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So looks like its losing ticks... < 1252358117 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252358118 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252358119 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252358119 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252358119 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252358120 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252358120 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252358120 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252358120 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252358120 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252358120 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252358120 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252358120 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252358121 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252358121 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252358121 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252358121 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252358121 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :kubrick.freenode.net 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:fizzie!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1252358250 0 :ineiros!n=itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1252358250 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1252358250 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1252358272 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1252358272 0 :clog!n=nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1252358279 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-111-074.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1252358287 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1252358415 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1252358629 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and dmesg prints out "Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -152506783 ns)" immediately after loading the nvidia binary blob; might be related. < 1252358689 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that could explain things... < 1252358713 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1252358753 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite odd that TSC (processor time stamp counter) would become unstable. < 1252358788 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternative blame-target is the vboxdrv module; it also prints out TSC/timing-related messages, like "vboxdrv: TSC mode is 'asynchronous', kernel timer mode is 'normal'." < 1252358795 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should investigate this some day. < 1252358900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... why would someone advertise US healthcare insurance to a .co.uk email address? < 1252359038 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spammers usually aren't very careful in restricting spam distribution... < 1252360392 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, should've quit while I was ahead; there was a "current_clocksource" file in sysfs, and since available_clocksources listed many (hpet, acpi_pm, jiffies, tsc) decided to echo those one by one into current_clocksource to see if the drift keeps happening for all. Current was hpet, acpi_pm didn't really cause any effects, but when I put "jiffies" in there, everything hung up "needs-sysrq"-badly. < 1252360572 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, system clock freezing probably does not do good to system function. < 1252360784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Quite odd that TSC (processor time stamp counter) would become unstable. < 1252360798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get that here, due to cpu frequency changes < 1252360811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my system use HPET < 1252360887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I would recommend using not changing that except at boot < 1252360896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the clocksource parameter < 1252360904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I had crashes when changing on the fly < 1252360970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1252361033 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252361034 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252361034 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252361034 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1252361077 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@LRouen-152-83-15-79.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1252361125 0 :MizardX-!i=MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1252361125 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1252361128 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it seemed like a bad idea. < 1252361152 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I don't do cpufreq on the desktop (because it's unable to), so I'm still blaming one of those modules. < 1252361187 0 :Warrigal!n=warrie@lunch.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1252361208 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( lack of shockwave player on linux (closely related to ":( who the fuck uses shockwave") < 1252361284 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a five minutes of incomprehension on "what, Ubuntu doesn't have the Flash player suitably packaged?", before realizing that not supporting Linux/PPC isn't really their fault. < 1252361495 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash and Shockwave are different < 1252361499 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Shockwave has a Mac version < 1252361512 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Ubuntu does have a Flash installer package that works fine < 1252361576 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have a PowerPC Flash installer package, because the only PowerPC-supporting Flash player is for OS X. < 1252361627 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I know they are different. I don't think I knew about Shockwave's Mac version, though; but really, why would someone use shockwave nowadays? < 1252361672 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lego site does :( < 1252361680 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only Shockwave app I can think of offhand is that Habbo Hotel chat-place. < 1252362390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh, for a moment I thought you meant there was some Flash app that installed Ubuntu < 1252362401 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1252362828 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1252363334 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants a good flash game that makes him think, but not too hard
< 1252363429 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any suggestions? < 1252364729 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1252365424 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1252365492 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1252365820 0 :MizardX-!i=MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1252365826 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1252365851 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1252366744 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1252367304 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can mes hab ball 4 slide pweaze yuhs neber gabezz it tew mes thankiez yuhz < 1252367321 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly realizes what that's intended to say
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