< 1253664103 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, here's a link to Brainf*** in "bignum" Befunge (with instructions, examples, etc.) < 1253664113 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Befunge < 1253664147 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly that I got confused on the exact same program elsewhere (ah, memory is the first to go ...) < 1253664204 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ErroneousDonk: Kial vi ne diskutas kun ni? ;-)) < 1253664270 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donk? ah, and I kept reading it as "Dork", meh < 1253664403 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigbef seems to be really really slow on quine.b < 1253664409 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or maybe it hung, I can't tell) < 1253664450 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm letting it sit for a while just to see :-) < 1253664687 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suspects the worst
< 1253664854 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this quine expects some wraparound?? < 1253664983 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(canceled) < 1253664984 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1253665030 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1253665031 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" < 1253665108 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1253665515 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1253669550 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253669550 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253669550 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253669551 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253669551 0 :Cerise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253669551 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253669553 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253669553 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253669553 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253669553 0 :zbrown!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253669554 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253669555 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253669555 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253669557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253669557 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253669557 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253669557 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253669557 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253669558 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253669601 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1253669601 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-065-155.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1253669601 0 :Gregor!n=gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1253669601 0 :ineiros!n=itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1253669601 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-115-205.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1253669601 0 :Cerise!i=jerry@unaffiliated/cerise JOIN :#esoteric < 1253669601 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1253669601 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1253669601 0 :fizzie!i=fis@83.150.124.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1253669601 0 :lifthrasiir!i=1CBOWieh@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1253669601 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1253669601 0 :EgoBot!n=EgoBot@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1253669601 0 :zbrown!n=suifur@unaffiliated/zbrown JOIN :#esoteric < 1253669601 0 :comex!i=comex@c-98-210-192-54.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1253669601 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1253669601 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@67.228.37.42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1253669601 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1253669601 0 :mycroftiv!n=drabgah@69.128.47.245 JOIN :#esoteric < 1253669601 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@130.233.228.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1253672627 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1253673933 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1253678547 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1253678870 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1253679489 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-124-89.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1253680105 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1253680467 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people! < 1253680493 0 :ErroneousDonk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1253680546 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here! < 1253680555 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need someone who knows bash and regexes. < 1253680599 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sorta does
< 1253680663 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to rename a file based on a regex < 1253680703 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd pipe find into grep < 1253680715 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you don't want recursive, just use a glob < 1253680739 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: rename < 1253680749 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) < 1253680762 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's Perl and thus cheating < 1253680791 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1253680794 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1253680817 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to see if ruby has perms actually < 1253680817 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for source in list; do mv $source `echo $source | sed s/regex/replacement/`; done < 1253680817 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably doesnt but < 1253680825 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on < 1253680843 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for source in list; do mv $source ${source/regex/replacement};done < 1253681693 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey! < 1253681695 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby has perms < 1253681696 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1253681697 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :php didnt < 1253681699 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1253685455 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1253690164 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@LRouen-152-83-15-79.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1253692799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1253692800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1253693738 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1253693953 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1253694360 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-223.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1253694728 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@AAnnecy-751-1-12-246.w90-52.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1253694946 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-164-33-22.range86-164.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1253696642 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1253697726 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1253702242 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1253704753 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.73.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1253704793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it isn't a web client < 1253704794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a Java IRC client < 1253704794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : that happens to be hosted on a < 1253704796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1253704797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they made a new one < 1253704807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, going back to logs, apt-get install has one advantage: it's a pretty quick way of installing repository packages from the command line when you already know which one you want < 1253704812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the command line < 1253704814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not when not in one < 1253704857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : is Lucid Lynx the actual name, btw? < 1253704858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : or just a placeholder? < 1253704858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real < 1253704863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : CorrectKond: I've read the logs, and I /still/ don't get the reason for the nicks... < 1253704869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just reacted to lament < 1253704937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pudb this looks mad < 1253704940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude use the built-in debugger < 1253704951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh great the thing crashes because the server sends < 1253704951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird: I hope you HTML5 nuts are happy < 1253704956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program is broken -- it's the website's fault! < 1253704960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- AnMaster < 1253705102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:39:22 that's Perl and thus cheating < 1253705108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:40:43 for source in list; do mv $source ${source/regex/replacement};done < 1253705111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ people < 1253705128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rename 's/regex/replacement/' $list < 1253705136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waaah, it's perl < 1253705165 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on which rename you have. < 1253705189 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the "rename from to file..." one. < 1253705199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so use the perl one < 1253705274 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just saying that that command doesn't work out-of-the-box on many systems. < 1253705339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1253705378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but the point is to do it in a quick oneliner, I assume, not a script < 1253705384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case for portability you wouldn't be using ${//}. < 1253705446 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A quick oneliner is not so quick when you have to dig up the package containing that version of rename :-P < 1253705450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you mean "perl"? < 1253705511 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: On Arch, it's "prename" < 1253705530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Ubuntu, it's OH WAIT IT COMES WITH THAT. < 1253705530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1253705533 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been on several other systems too where Perl certainly exists, but that rename does not, at least under that name. < 1253705671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : dude use the built-in debugger <-- oh? what module? < 1253705677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man python < 1253705687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wait < 1253705689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is some modile < 1253705690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :module < 1253705692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pdb i think < 1253705700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python -m pdb poop.py < 1253705711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.python.org/library/pdb.html manual < 1253705713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 20:40:43 for source in list; do mv $source ${source/regex/replacement};done <-- what is so wrong with that? it is what I usually do in such cases < 1253705744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's identical to `rename "s/regex/replacement" $list` and 70 times longer just because coppro said it doesn't count because it's perl < 1253705752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah < 1253705769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I don't have that rename you mentioned either < 1253705784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hm is the ratio really 70:1? < 1253705816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. :P < 1253705820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's default on Ubuntu, at least. < 1253705831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an official part of perl, at least. < 1253705831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah but not most other distros IME < 1253705842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, install it then; it's good. :P < 1253705880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, happen to know the website of this version of rename so I can find the right one? < 1253705887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, http://perl.org/ < 1253705898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of perl. < 1253705901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also as Deewiant said, " A quick oneliner is not so quick when you have to dig up the package containing that version of rename :-P" < 1253705919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True Slack is putting in the work to be lazier in future. < 1253705927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find it in the perl package at least < 1253705931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, perl regexps kinda beat bash regexps. < 1253705936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Presumably your distro mangles packages. < 1253705949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, define mangles < 1253705958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extracts programs, puts them in other places, etc. < 1253705959 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Arch pkgbuild gets it from Debian's Perl package < 1253705970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the cause of many Ruby installation woes, because Debian splits up near-essential parts. < 1253705972 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I believe it is Debian here doing the mangling, by adding such a thing. < 1253706003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC too. < 1253706007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Uh, no. I can prove it: < 1253706013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah that is my conclusion too looking around < 1253706017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RENAME(1) Perl Programmers Reference Guide RENAME(1) < 1253706020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUTHOR < 1253706020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Larry Wall < 1253706022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl v5.10.0 2009-06-26 RENAME(1) < 1253706025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: Part of perl. < 1253706057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, a person can only distribute his code in a single package. Maintaining two programs is forbidden by law < 1253706080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, generally people don't say "perl v5.10.0" in a package that isn't that, and put it in the Perl Programmers Reference Guide. < 1253706082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST SAYIN' < 1253706201 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's not in perl-5.10.1.tar.gz from perl.org. < 1253706209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a ./configure option. < 1253706212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed I checked that too just now < 1253706215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some auxillary perl.org package, at least. < 1253706232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, " Or some auxillary perl.org package, at least." <-- That is, not part of main perl package. < 1253706246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still part of perl then, just not core perl. < 1253706258 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of CPAN is "part of Perl" now? < 1253706259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.co.uk/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=larry+wall+rename OK, I take it back. < 1253706266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHA: < 1253706268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, of course. < 1253706270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"from Larry Wall's original script eg/rename from the perl source" < 1253706277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: CPAN is not a perl.org perl package. < 1253706279 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, but it's not there any more. < 1253706286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares < 1253706292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it was part of anything it was part of perl < 1253706293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well you were claiming it was < 1253706293 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Neither is Perl, as it's downloaded from cpan.org. < 1253706317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Similarly, sourceforge packages aren't from sourceforge.net. < 1253706323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, perl.org download link takes me to ftp://ftp.cpan.org/pub/CPAN/src/5.0/ < 1253706325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're from **Nondeterminism error < 1253706344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, cpan.org isn't a mirror of perl.org though < 1253706354 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: They are from dl.sourceforge.net, actually. < 1253706364 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm done with this nitpicking < 1253706366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then mirrored < 1253706367 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off -> < 1253706381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nitpicking is like pedanticism, except annoying and not interesting. < 1253706406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, didn't you say that distros *NOT* including the perl rename with the perl package were mangling? < 1253706415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1253706419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we shut the fuck up about this? < 1253706423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah it is the opposite < 1253706430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure. < 1253706442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you have some sort of deep-seated urge to prove every trivial thing I say wrong and come out on top, triumphant, saying "Ha! You were WRONG!", but it really just comes out as seeming insecure. < 1253706453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just you were trying to attack gentoo on the grounds that it didn't include rename with the perl package itself < 1253706504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was launching a vicious attack on Gentoo and you know what, fuck off, you really are insecure. < 1253706522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how you came to that conclusion < 1253707213 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1253707898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash in Epiphany is so buggy... but the browser is wonderful otherwise. < 1253708384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiz's window placement sucks. Wonder if Metacity's does too. < 1253708810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just puts windows in successive corners. < 1253708817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is super-retarded, as nothing ever has center focus. < 1253708860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, metacity seems to do a bit better than that here. But it seems to depend on window size too < 1253708874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, small windows seem to be centered. < 1253708912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I meant that windows covering more than half the screen are always placed somewhat center, offset a bit towards upper left corner < 1253708944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not doing that with Epiphany windows here. < 1253708953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try metacity. < 1253708955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if two such big ones are opened after each other they seem to end up so that the title bar of the previous one still is visible < 1253708966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure didn't think window placement would be the thing I'd miss from OS X... < 1253708975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tried kate and the help browser after each other < 1253708990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, with metacity it cascades new windows from top-left. < 1253709000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, not cool, the other thing; retarded. < 1253709023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not exactly that here. But it could be because I have other windows open in various parts of the screen already < 1253709028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but better than Compiz's "Smart" placement, so I'll tell Compiz to cascade. < 1253709040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes a note to write a good placement module sometime
< 1253709059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to know what algorithm you prefer < 1253709073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly agree metacity isn't perfect < 1253709073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should just get a small-resolution laptop so I can tell it to maximize everything. :) < 1253709082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What OS X does is great, what Windows does is fine. < 1253709093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cascading makes me do more moving of windows, but doesn't annoy me. < 1253709098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternating corners makes me rage. < 1253709149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I think someone implanted a virus in Ubuntu that makes you want to contribute to the projects. < 1253709164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I used that disk usage analyser app in gnome/ubuntu. Quite interesting "not quite pie-chart, but something circular still" it generates. Two most visual things: $HOME/.VirtualBox and $HOME/icc < 1253709169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1253709169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm certainly tempted to, but I'm scared of the useless bug trackers... < 1253709172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/visual/visible/ < 1253709182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, when analysing / < 1253709184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, that thing's... interesting. < 1253709198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took me a few seconds of hovering to work it out, so I'd say non-ideal. < 1253709205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, icc is quite bloated. 2.6 GB for ICC! < 1253709212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ow. < 1253709229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, mind you, that include docs, but the docs isn't the main part of it < 1253709240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: System -> Administration -> Authorisations has AppArmor stuff, btw. < 1253709244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or SELinux, who knows. < 1253709260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much there, actually; a few scheduling options and low-level permissions, but nothing frontend. < 1253709266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah I looked at that, couldn't find any docs on how it worked and decided it was best to leave it for now thus < 1253709268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not wanting to mess things up badly < 1253709277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks quite scary, yes. < 1253709293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, OpenOffice takes a good chunk of my disk (and also sucks). < 1253709297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not really, just it doesn't tell you very well what the various alternatives do < 1253709301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I won't remove it, because I want ubtunu-desktop. < 1253709304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ubuntu < 1253709310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yep, but that is still way less than icc < 1253709311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also apt archives. < 1253709360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the single largest subdir to icc is ipp/em64t/lib at 1.2 GB (ipp itself is 1.6 GB) < 1253709361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything else (that isn't big like /usr) is quite small; /usr/share is 901MiB but consists of a lot of quite small stuff. < 1253709393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it might be MB, actually. < 1253709395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr is 5.6 GB and home 22.0 GB < 1253709408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the main chunk in home is virtualbox harddrives < 1253709410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think GNOME uses base-2 filesystem sizes, though, because it says 60.4 GB instead of 64 GB. < 1253709423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hope that changes sometime... < 1253709423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(roughly 13.3 GB) < 1253709426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only using 3.3GiB, anyway. < 1253709444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Try "View as Treemap Chart". You too can be a modern artist! < 1253709454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also more helpful than the other view, I think. < 1253709466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's hard to hover over /usr; just the borders, really. < 1253709517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, /srv is 1003.9 MB (so yeah 1024 or it would be listed as 1 GB instead), why? because following some ubuntu guide on 32-bit chroot put it under /srv/chroot, couldn't think of a good reason to change that. < 1253709569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/srv is one of those things the FHS guys invented because they're stupid and nobody uses. :P < 1253709571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think Gregor's colour matcher was used for that... In the "generate non-matching" mode that is < 1253709590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well alternative was /var/chroot, would be trivial to move though < 1253709596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just looked up; "Data for services provided by this system" < 1253709601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's the best place for a chroot. < 1253709607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true < 1253709611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/srv) < 1253709727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders whether /-commands are really needed in an IRC client in this day and age
< 1253709739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like /j is pointless if you have a Ctrl+J < 1253709747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/me is a bit tricky though < 1253709752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um, /j #foo is faster? < 1253709757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl+J #foo < 1253709759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least equally fast < 1253709760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/j #foo < 1253709762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1253709767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok then, old habits die hard < 1253709782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the former is better because you can reuse whatever GUI widget or whatever you have, and it also means you don't have to escape / all the time at the start of lines. < 1253709786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which ate my /srv message before.) < 1253709800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can be inconsistent and only block some /s that you handle, but that's even more confusing when it drops a message.) < 1253709831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm trying to make an IRC client that follows the GNOME HIG to a T; I'm pretty sure old IRC habits are going to be brutally murdered. < 1253709841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Human Interface Guidelines) < 1253709865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a T? < 1253709881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/to-a-t.html < 1253709885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An idiom. < 1253709934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway what about stuff like /me and /whois and so on. Plus what about when you need to enter a command there is no keybinding for. Ctrl-O for oper? Ctrl-g for gline or Ctrl-g for kline? And so on. < 1253709942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is gzline/zline too on some ircds < 1253709951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and syntax differs for those generally < 1253709960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /me is a bit tricky though < 1253709970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah yes missed that line < 1253709989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, /whois would probably be done by double clicking the user or using the menu. :P < 1253710006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, would that do /whois nick or /whois nick nick < 1253710007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could do a shortcut then by, say, Alt+foo W, where foo is the shortcut key of the menu with whois in it. < 1253710010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter picks up idle time too < 1253710020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The latter has more info, and it'd be displayed as a dialog box, so the latter. < 1253710069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, the Bitch-X users will kill me. :) < 1253710139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edge case time! (but this actually happened to me once) What if there are network problems (DDoS say) but you still need to gline a spambot, a nick nick whois would take way longer and if servers are about to split might not work at all, but with nick one time you can still get it and act on it, of course the gline won't be applied for some time (in the case of a split, not until the servers reconnect < 1253710140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : after) < 1253710157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, connect with telnet? :P < 1253710164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm NOT zzo < 1253710174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USER AnMaster AnMaster AnMaster AnMaster < 1253710177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NICK AnMaster < 1253710180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PASS poop < 1253710183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GLINEFUCKYEAH < 1253710184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUIT : < 1253710204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno how I'll represent the multitude of possible actions on a user, anyway. < 1253710208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will always need a way to send arbritary commands to the server. Even if you for some odd reason decide "lets make this client unusable to opers" < 1253710224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, of course there'll be a raw. < 1253710237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think Alt+blah W name is any less usable than /whois name < 1253710255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah and it differs between ircds. Anyway it is simple, let user customise menus with options if the defaults doesn't fit their need. Even xchat has that iirc < 1253710271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The menus will contain everything. < 1253710316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really, I'm not looking to attract opers; I'm looking to attract the 90% of IRC users who just talk and do 90% of the operations on users, channels etc. < 1253710332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-Chat will always be there. < 1253710348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, impossible because you can do wildcard glines. Like say: /gline *.idiot.ru 2d4h :reason blah blah < 1253710353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, syntax will differ between ircds < 1253710361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so will names for it < 1253710362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Menus open dialog boxes, you know < 1253710373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not filing every possible nickname input under a submenu :) < 1253710376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah, but I mean stuff like parameter position and format may differ < 1253710387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the raw. Write a plugin. < 1253710417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm pretty sure plugins reacting to text will be useful for some things, so no reason not to let them add menu items.) < 1253710433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like removing a gline? /gline - or maybe /ungline or even /gline < 1253710437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seen all three < 1253710439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See ^ < 1253710443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yep < 1253710498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's really not much more I can say other than that's not my target market. < 1253710551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right. But even so I can't see how you can remove / really. There is /me yes but sure you could make "/me" be the only special one I guess. < 1253710580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll give it a keyboard shortcut for "Send" vs "Send as action". < 1253710585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however that will be irritating if you typo /mee /em or such. Instead of getting something like "no such command" you would get that on irc channel < 1253710590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah that could work < 1253710591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : is Send, is Send as action. < 1253710595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1253710611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quicker to type, to boot. I know existing clients let you assign such a key. < 1253710640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really, I'll see how it ends up. I'm just not going to think "well, other clients have this, so I'd better do it that way". < 1253710724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how will you represent different servers? I found that the tree view mode of xchat works fairly well < 1253710745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, XChat-GNOME uses it too and it seems sane. < 1253710782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'll probably use "Network" instead of "Server", in accordance with "Create a Match Between Your Application and the Real World" (which is a bad title, but basically comes down to "use a term that's just as valid but not jargon when possible"). < 1253710799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Network" sounds like IRC jargon, but not to someone who doesn't know of its IRC usage: it's a network of people.) < 1253710812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note "just as valid"; it's not dumbing down.) < 1253710844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Alternative reading: "I'm going to be a Mazi and remove every button!") < 1253710844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't know how may irc channels you are on, but I can assure you that the tree view scales well even to my levels. A bit of scrolling yeah (less after I patched to code to reduce distance between lines) but way better than tabs and such < 1253710846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Nazi < 1253710870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The GNOME tree view has simple searching, too, so a lot of that scrolling would be eliminated. < 1253710888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am currently in two channels; the most channels I'm ever actually looking at regularly is about 4, but that's mostly by choice. < 1253710889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, of course network is valid. But I guess you aren't the kind of guy to connect to more than one server on a network at the same time ever ;) < 1253710896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People... do that? < 1253710903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite possibly something only opers do. < 1253710904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, to avoid netsplits? < 1253710926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for opers, when you try to pick up things after a bad netsplit :P < 1253710950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why irssi is the only client that detects netsplits and condenses them to "Netsplit between servers, people quit: a, b, c, ...". < 1253710952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, when the server went down due to hardware issues and you are relinking stuff < 1253710956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's annoying to have text interrupted by a netsplit. < 1253710962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder why irssi is the only client that detects netsplits and condenses them to "Netsplit between servers, people quit: a, b, c, ...". <-- seen other ones do it iirc < 1253710991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example I think there was some xchat script to do it, and quite possible there is a mirc script for it < 1253711037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, as long as you notice that the guy you were just talking to isn't in the channel any more ;P < 1253711047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You'll notice that when tab completion fails. :P < 1253711086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everyone highlights quite as much as I do. Unless they spent their first year on irc in busy channels like ##linux and #gentoo < 1253711096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it is more or less required to keep track < 1253711106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1253711119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw, about detecting netsplits. What would you match on? < 1253711152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this question isn't as silly as it sounds) < 1253711165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there is a good reason I ask)( < 1253711172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/($// < 1253711199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh and that is valid sed iirc, for ( to act special you would need to escape it. Yeah sed is a bit weird sometimes) < 1253711382 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I use sed -r < 1253711612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1253711636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's posix regexps < 1253711644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, just (server server) as quit message. < 1253711660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah hm right < 1253711683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where first server doesn't end with a :? < 1253711697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err that is: ... a ":"? < 1253711701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so. < 1253711728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi also handles "Netsplit over, joins: ..." which is impressive. < 1253711728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while freenode puts quotes around quit reasons from /quit, some servers do it like: Quit: < 1253711735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have seen yet other ones < 1253711750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: [Quit] < 1253711753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what not < 1253711774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and some servers hide netsplits (like freenode does) but unlike freenode instead shows it as: *.net *.split < 1253711790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite a common replacement for when hiding < 1253711821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy IRC servers. < 1253711866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes it is, I guess it detects a burst join (people could quit that server, and reconnect to another. Quite likely even if the server they were on split because it itself had network troubles, rather than due to some hub having issues, or just a route messup to part of the internet) < 1253711891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi is a solid piece of software, even if I dislike the interface. < 1253711901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I'm not going to write an irssi frontend; that'd just be a world of pain.) < 1253711953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it would, since it does have some internal flaws too. Mostly related to networks using less traditionalist server software. And being idiot about the prefix list in 005 < 1253711967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idiotic < 1253711980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1253712002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone remember irssi2? It still exists, I think. tl;dr it's like xmms2 for irssi; i.e. totally unlike v1, server/client architecture galore, overengineered, and will never be usable. < 1253712025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a long time (don't know if it is still like this) irssi allowed exactly voice, half-op, op and one additional. Except almost all of the networks with additional prefixes has exactly two additional ones < 1253712030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have* < 1253712046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was kind of irritating as it meant it messed up showing one of them < 1253712064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, second system syndrome? < 1253712068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: very. < 1253712070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I never heard of irssi2 before < 1253712084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/o/o,/ < 1253712187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That GNOME vs KDE article with the vomiting-drug-using-laptop-slamming GNOME developers and the European-with-quiet-classical-music-in-a-glass-building-then-random-killing KDE developers seems to have reversed. < 1253712225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE's all ooh, shiny, moar bloat these days and GNOME is all serious and usability-researching and everything. < 1253712297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah, it was like that article described quite some time ago though. < 1253712311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think GNOME 2.0 and KDE 3.0 was when it flipped. < 1253712325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah, some point midway during KDE 3 life time I'd say < 1253712348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/KDE_3.0.jpg ;; Wow, I hope this wasn't t he default theme. < 1253712359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad OS X ripoff window borders, awful green windows... < 1253712365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pretty sure it wasn't < 1253712376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What is it with Linuxers and imitating OS X?) < 1253712392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/KDE-3.1-es-ES.png ;; looks like KDE 3.1 was when it started happening < 1253712402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no clue, I think it is mostly with "screenshotting linux users" rather than linux users in general < 1253712408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1253712422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Kde_3_3_screengrab.png ;; Wow, it's like you took this screenshot. < 1253712435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE 2 theme on KDE 3 + Swedish + uberhinted text. < 1253712444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'd move it more towards KDE 3.2 for the first hints of it, and KDE 3.4 well on the way. KDE 3.5 definitely had it bad yeah < 1253712479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh looks nice apart from the huge text shadow on desktop. And that isn't antialiased at all < 1253712495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close enough. But ow, I just noticed that shadow when you pointed it out. < 1253712498 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1253712502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More of a smudge than a shadow. < 1253712509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I wouldn't used the gradient for either desktop or the kicker < 1253712536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, GNOME 2.28 is going to move in a decidedly un-candylike direction: by default, no icons will be displayed in menus. < 1253712553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm that is actually a step backwards in usability < 1253712558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, actually: < 1253712567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because icons are useful for quickly finding what you want when you know what it is < 1253712576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"# < 1253712577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By default, many — but not all — push buttons and menu items have an icon as well as text. As well as making the interface more cluttered, this slows people down by misleading them into thinking that they can decipher a transient control’s icon faster than they can read its text, which is rarely if ever true." < 1253712580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Matthew Paul Thomas < 1253712580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I want lyx, I can visually quickly find the lyx icon in the meny < 1253712582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :menu* < 1253712590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need very big icons to be able to make snap decisions like that. < 1253712604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: True, for application menus it might be better to have icons. < 1253712611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well for buttons I agree. But I meant for application menu only < 1253712619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not buttons, menu items like Zoom In and the like. < 1253712625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, also OK/Cancel buttons. < 1253712647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: maybe an icon you use so often that your brain looks for the icon should be in a panel, though. < 1253712656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, toolbar buttons with icons is useful though < 1253712673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yes but that would fill the panel < 1253712674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the toolbar icons are good because they're big and making icons for them isn't tedious as they're the most common options. < 1253712691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're considering moving the icon text to the right so that text only appears for some icons and to save vertical space, but I think that's misguided. < 1253712698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate ff, kate, thunderbird, konsole and some more in the panel < 1253712700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the icons are useful for locating, but not discovering. < 1253712708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lyx I maybe use once every second week or so? < 1253712709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You hate all those applications you use? Gee. < 1253712714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes more, sometimes less < 1253712715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyuk hyuk < 1253712722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I hate ff, kate, thunderbird, konsole and some more in the panel < 1253712733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm I dislike ff but for uni website I need it. < 1253712739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have konq there < 1253712744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read what you said. < 1253712745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I hate ff, kate, thunderbird, konsole and some more in the panel < 1253712752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh hah < 1253712754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have* < 1253712760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course) < 1253712764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1253712774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(re browsers: Did I mention I like Epiphany?) < 1253712781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes you did < 1253712783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1253712831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, there are lots of app that I don't use quite enough to have them in panel (and having too many makes it harder to find a specific one in it too, more icons to scan through) < 1253712843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still use often enough to locate with icon < 1253712853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Icons are probably best for subconscious honing. < 1253712860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1253712878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works quite well for stuff like save/open/cut/copy/paste as well < 1253712885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, that's the thing. < 1253712907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, since it is the same icons for those all across gnome (and KDE too if you set it to that) < 1253712908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't use menus for cut/copy/paste unless you haven't heard of them yet, and save/open are in the toolbar. < 1253712924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Menus are for (a) not so common operations and (b) discovering operations. < 1253712931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about zoom then? key combo is less standard for that < 1253712942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For both of these, icons slow you down: it seems like you should be able to understand this small image more quickly than reading the text. < 1253712952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in fact, that's generally not true (we're good at reading). < 1253712954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1253712968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how well organised the menu is < 1253712970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If zooming is a common operation it'll be in the toolbar. If not, well, the icon won't be standard if the shortcut isn't. < 1253712976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus what about the special case of "settings/preferences"? < 1253712986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's always in Edit at the bottom in GNOME. < 1253713016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not so in KDE apps. Rather some menu at the end. < 1253713031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last one before help menu usuaully < 1253713032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, and the icons won't be the same in KDE apps either, so it slows you down trying to recognize them. < 1253713040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case no-icon menus actually speed up discovering where it is in this program. < 1253713050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1253713057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Two other reasons it was done: cleaner look, quicker development (making a good icon for many new operations is hard and tedious). < 1253713060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and tedious < 1253713093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally another reason it's good is that right now, the start of the menu name is aligned with the icon, and so I have to move my eyes to read the text, which is annoying. < 1253713130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about firefox then? There it helps because a) locations vary between platforms b) icons don't (at least between linux/windows iirc, don't remember for the os x case) < 1253713143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure they do vary for Linux. < 1253713149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use the GNOME icons when you have GNOME. < 1253713161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, seems like firefox use their own. At least for stuff like "add-ons" and such < 1253713166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but not Preferences. < 1253713167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"settings" < 1253713173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm sure? < 1253713174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly Preferences moves in Firefox, not much else. < 1253713180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1253713190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought it was same icon. but ok < 1253713201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it may be an option to enable GNOMEification. < 1253713215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ubufox might do it (Ubuntu's Firefox changes). < 1253713237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they are same on ubuntu and gentoo for me. < 1253713248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a blue gear on a gray gear < 1253713253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on top of* < 1253713262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not here. < 1253713265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue gear slightly smaller < 1253713278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that ubuntu extension to firefox is enabled < 1253713282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help -> About Mozilla Firefox; "Mozilla Firefox for Ubuntu" "canonical - 1.0" here. < 1253713297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, same hm < 1253713305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, amusing about your addons point; the addons entry has no icon. < 1253713324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even disabling Ubuntu's extension, it still has the GNOME icon. < 1253713332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What GNOME theme are you using? < 1253713334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Human here. < 1253713335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does here. A green puzzle "bit" (or whatever the term is) < 1253713347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sec. checking < 1253713359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearlooks < 1253713362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what Firefox version? 3.0.14 here. < 1253713365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well then. < 1253713367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1253713368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's using the Clearlooks icon set. < 1253713370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOWEVER < 1253713372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check a GNOME app. It'll be the same. < 1253713380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not using default firefox theme I just rememberd < 1253713383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that may be what does it < 1253713406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. The Clearlooks Preferences icon (and in Firefox too) is a bunch of... uh... < 1253713409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The knobs on the up/down things you can move. < 1253713413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, not twist. < 1253713426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Clearlooks is still in-your-face. I preferred the old-style Clearlooks... < 1253713444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yes, but that isn't what firefox uses at all here. So yeah I guess due to firefox theme < 1253713457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, it was the best of those available by default < 1253713458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://clearlooks.sourceforge.net/screenshots/clearlooks-0.6.png ;; old Clearlooks, more sane and less glaring < 1253713464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some tuning it is quite okish < 1253713471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :far from good, too round in forms < 1253713475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You might like Mist; it's very flat. < 1253713482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Install gnome-themes or gnome-themes-extra; I forget. < 1253713506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If you go to the Clearlooks details, you can change it to ClearlooksClassic, which has nicer controls. < 1253713512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I do want some slight non-flatness to easier see what is buttons and such. Just I dislike the strongly rounded corners < 1253713516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colours still need changing to not glare, though. < 1253713519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer more angular ones < 1253713521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, it is outdented slightly. < 1253713528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1253713529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don'tw ant to install anything, try Glider. < 1253713542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*don't want < 1253713564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glider hm? < 1253713570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway installing gnome-themes atm < 1253713578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe Glider is in that package. < 1253713601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I like Human, probably because blue is so overdone. < 1253713603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A green theme would be nice too. < 1253713622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, technically you can change Human's colour, I think.) < 1253713633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can you save your current one? One thing that annoys me with gnome preferences is that there is just "close" no easy "cancel" button < 1253713650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Save As..." < 1253713657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Custom themes don't modify. < 1253713664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for some reason it is grayed out... < 1253713665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The button is "Customise...", not change. < 1253713668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I changed stuff < 1253713674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're making a custom version, for yourself; it does not change the original theme. < 1253713680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( I am now sporting a green Human. It is ugly.) < 1253713683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(I < 1253713692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You can't save as a theme you didn't change... < 1253713696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd just be a duplicate. < 1253713712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I did however. So sounds like a bug. Opening customise and then just closing it enabled the button < 1253713717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I said: customising does not change the original; that isn't what "customise" means. < 1253713728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Uhh, no, you're just misguided as to what you pressed, I think. < 1253713735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your selection was Custom, right? < 1253713738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I never claimed that it would change the original < 1253713741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, well of course there's no save as button. < 1253713747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes it was < 1253713752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shrug. < 1253713830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mist goes a bit too far I think, still possibly better than clearlooks, though the default icon theme with mist is quite horrible < 1253713852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's the Clearlooks icon theme... < 1253713874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no it is blue theme instead of gray? < 1253713876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess you were using Custom, not Clearlooks. :P < 1253713881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Clearlooks' icons are not gray. < 1253713885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even looking at the clearlooks entry < 1253713895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exact same icons. < 1253713905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can prove it, too: customise Mist, select Icons. < 1253713909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, huh. < 1253713913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1253713926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of Mist's icons are the same as to Clearlooks', though. < 1253713930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as Clearlooks' < 1253713937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they're definitely blue. < 1253713956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look at the main theme page there is preview. Compare mist icon theme (blue folder in preview) to the clearlooks, which is more gray < 1253713965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue tinted gray yes < 1253714007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Clearlooks icon theme is simply the official GNOME theme. < 1253714015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm aware of that. < 1253714019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, folders are green. < 1253714023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But toolbar icons are *blue*. < 1253714031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? Green where? < 1253714049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gray with a slight hint of blue or maybe display sucks < 1253714119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/KiYub.png < 1253714122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grayish green. < 1253714124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dull green, whatever. < 1253714149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that looks blue to you, I am *so* getting the IPS screen. < 1253714159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, depends on what monitor I bring it up on < 1253714175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is more greenish on desktop than on laptop < 1253714176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is blue? < 1253714179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1253714198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is quite a neutral grey on laptop, the blue tint is very very slight < 1253714333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh and with the colours that icon has on the desktop I couldn't live with it. On the laptop it turns out quite acceptable though < 1253714354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of ironic since assuming you are still on that mac the greenish tint is probably more correct < 1253714369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is. It also looks green on the shitty 2006 TN LCD. < 1253714383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes even mid grey indistinguishable from white. < 1253714397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wow, either your laptop just has really shitty viewing angles, or its display is uber-terrible. < 1253714408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, fading on hover over the OSD notifications works now. < 1253714410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weirdo. < 1253714412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimp colour picker places it at around #bfc0ac < 1253714421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course; enabling Normal effects to turn on Compiz must enable that too. < 1253714425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is more of a slightly yellow/green tint < 1253714457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no yellow at all. < 1253714469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, a tiny bit. < 1253714499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r=191, g=192, b=172 < 1253714512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wound quite a lot more yellow than green as far as I can work out < 1253714545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, in fact it is more yellow-green on desktop than green I'd say < 1253714570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :approaching beige I think < 1253714584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, dark beige < 1253714597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Experts predict that the penultimate catastrophe will occur at approximately 7:15 p.m. Thursday night, when the social networking tool Twitter will be used to communicate a series of ideas so banal they will instantaneously negate the three centuries of the Renaissance." < 1253714599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- http://www.theonion.com/content/news/nadir_of_western_civilization_to?utm_source=a-section < 1253714611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also featured: The best ending line to an Onion article ever (but don't skip there, it won't make any sense.)) < 1253714990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comparing the colour palette in gimp shown when this colour is selected shows that desktop has more vibrant colours and also differs fastly. There is even a slight hint of bands on the laptop... Makes me suspect some X setting is wrong... < 1253715020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Lenovo are just making shittier laptops as time goes on. :P < 1253715023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the palette is definitely yellowish < 1253715044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where would I find out colour depth without a xorg.conf... < 1253715056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of what? < 1253715061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The display in physical, or settings? < 1253715068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost certainly set to 24 or 32 bit; ask GNOME. < 1253715083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask gnome where? < 1253715087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh; System > Preferences -> Display doesn't actually have the colour depth. < 1253715089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd. < 1253715091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Odd < 1253715097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, apparently my display is "Laptop 20". < 1253715100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how it came to that conclusion. < 1253715112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, mobile cpu? mobile gpu? < 1253715126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, both. < 1253715131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using internal connection, not external one (at least that is what hardware claims I bet < 1253715132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1253715148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems fairly obvious < 1253715167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still. < 1253715246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed xpdyinfo claims 24 bit depth for both desktop and laptop < 1253715247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1253715262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*xdpyinfo; that was hard to parse... < 1253715266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It'll just be uncalibrated. < 1253715279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But calibration is a bitch IME; I'm no good at telling whether those lines blend in with the background.) < 1253715292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah probably. Now to find out how to calibrate under ubuntu < 1253715318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add/Remove shows "DisplayCalibrator". < 1253715323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just searched for "calibrate" in All. < 1253715329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DisplayCalibrator is a GNUstep application to calibrate the gamma of your display < 1253715332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, forget that. < 1253715333 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1253715334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use xgamma, then. < 1253715349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since apparently it's a frontend to that. Although there's more to calibrati- I'll just google. < 1253715359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, xgamma is just a command line too < 1253715363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tool* < 1253715370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and indeed there is more to calibration < 1253715377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[edit] A list of Linux color-managed applications" < 1253715383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly graphics applications. < 1253715390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr: Linux ain't gonna calibrate no colours consistently. < 1253715409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even to basic manual calibration without trying to figure it out fully < 1253715418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ads.linuxfoundation.org/www/delivery/ai.php?filename=training_ad_v1.jpg&contenttype=jpeg ;; proposal to ban the linux foundation from advertising. < 1253715427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I used an icc profile generated back on windows with gentoo iirc. < 1253715430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND WE DON'T MEAN POPCORN HURRRR GRUNGY LETTERS < 1253715473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1253715511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Who even thinks of "popcorn" when they think kernel? At least anyone who'd ever see that.) < 1253715567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what has popcorn got to do with the word kernel? < 1253715590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... :| < 1253715594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :popcorn kernels. < 1253715604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.answers.com/kernel < 1253715624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, kgamma seems like better than nothing < 1253715649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, K-naming. Anyone remember when every GNOME app had a g in it (and preferably a gn) < 1253715651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/?/ < 1253715655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was ridiculous. < 1253715758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, seems it mainly needs reducing blue a bit to begin with. < 1253715792 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1253715796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would need a bit more blue for dark grays though < 1253715799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Anybody mind describing that? I'm blind." -- Linux Hater's Blog comment < 1253715815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's a good way to make the comments section feel awkward. Nobody wants to troll right after a blind guy. < 1253715994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Debian's switched to eglibc yet. < 1253716001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still far from good really < 1253716001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: btw, have you joined 600 channels yet? < 1253716009 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@82.182.180.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1253716037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, been over it at times, atm below it, 593 < 1253716049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you realise you never look at 90% of those? < 1253716080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually I do. Do you think I'm only chatting in one channel at a time? < 1253716096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're chatting in 593 channels at a time? < 1253716100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a percentage that is low activity, like #opers < 1253716114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, of course not, but often 3 or 4 at once < 1253716120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not looking at 90% is still looking at 59 channels, which is of course more than you look at. < 1253716122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which 3 or 4 changes < 1253716141 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually < 1253716142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Do you realise that there are commands called /join and /part for looking at different sets of channels at different times...? < 1253716145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, which is just completely nonsense < 1253716152 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many channels are you on at freenode? < 1253716164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: He's in the extended maximum, I believe. < 1253716184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, hm let me check. Guess I'll pipe the relevant lines from /whois into wc < 1253716229 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[15:30:03] AnMaster is away: sleeping < 1253716232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :76 if one is to believe wc but I think that is a bit more < 1253716242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, typoed command I believe < 1253716244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Hey, when AnMaster says "night" he doesn't leave either. Give the guy a break, he's just fucking with us. < 1253716416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is slightly less off colours, however the icons look worse. I guess I'll have to retune them to more neutral gray < 1253716420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grey* < 1253716436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and same for desktop bg colour and some other stuff < 1253716572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look, ATI released a new Radeon series. < 1253716580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"According to AMD, the new Radeon HD 5870 offers 544 double-precision GFLOPS of processing power." < 1253716588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so getting four. < 1253716596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VROOM VROOM < 1253716657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, now use those in that helmer 3 < 1253716696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and if every cards have 2 TFLOPS, this is 432 TFLOPS" < 1253716703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's using the GTX 295, then. < 1253716707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just the fastest single GPU card. < 1253716720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the GTX 295 doesn't break 2 TFLOPS, I think. < 1253716734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1253716741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Nvidia Tesla S870 is 2074 GFLOPS. < 1253716750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait. < 1253716751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtx 295 has more then I guess < 1253716755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a "GPU Computing Server"; i.e. a single thing. < 1253716775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTX 295 gets 1788 GFLOPS. < 1253716787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so using the one you mentioned would be worse < 1253716794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why then sound so excited at it < 1253716798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GTX 295 has TWO GPUs < 1253716801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is ONE GPU. < 1253716803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1253716812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets wait for the same but two < 1253716819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll see a 5870 X2 sometime, probably. < 1253716827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why not x4 while we are at it < 1253716839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because people won't pay $2,000 for a gaming card. < 1253716874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If humans tasted like bacon I would kill and eat them so I see no harm." --reddit < 1253716903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why are we still going along this design, wouldn't rethinking it and going along similar lines that those raytracers in FPGAs did be better. With the budget of nvidia on that rather than the (relative to nvidia) small research budget... < 1253716935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because FPGAs are slow. < 1253716946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that raytracer's FPGA was just a scheduler. < 1253716958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual tracing was done on an 8-core machine. < 1253716970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, depends on which one you are thinking about < 1253716988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caustic's. < 1253716995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not that one I'm considering < 1253717005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to remember the name
< 1253717010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for not being telepathic :P < 1253717070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://graphics.cs.uni-sb.de/~woop/rpu/RPU_SIGGRAPH05.pdf < 1253717097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.6MB? Holy huge PDF batman. < 1253717099 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-139-39.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1253717118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pictures in it. Example renderings < 1253717123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 11 pages < 1253717129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in total for the pdf) < 1253717143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wish Poppler let you use the host's font settings; I can't really read this badly-kerned, grey-antialiased text. < 1253717149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zooming those rendering doesn't look pixelated < 1253717162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, and Evince still can't copy text from columns individually (not that I wanted to copy anything). < 1253717167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Did I say pixelated? < 1253717168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1253717175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not talking about font < 1253717183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "why those images are so huge" < 1253717184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the renderings. < 1253717216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they are pixelated. < 1253717216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No antialiasing there. < 1253717238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um I mean as in you can zoom them and they still look ok due to being stored at high dpi due to being down scaled screenshots but with all the image data still left in there < 1253717249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I zoomed my screen. < 1253717256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may take a second or two for poppler to re-render the pic < 1253717260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after you zoom < 1253717266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my experience < 1253717272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, they look good at 30)%. < 1253717274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*300%. < 1253717321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, images in pdf are basically "insert this bitmap here, and make it fit in these dimensions". Thus they can end up like that, high dpi, good zoomable. But damn big pdf < 1253717358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the technical drawings are mostly vector graphics < 1253718046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so what do you think of the RPU? < 1253718054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't really read it. < 1253718065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very interesting < 1253718127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main issue with the prototype was limited memory bandwidth it seems. They list some suggestions for how to improve that part at the end. < 1253718138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like it has a great potential < 1253718369 0 :ais523!i=93bc6b76@gateway/web/freenode/x-auncaqdqfsseyqwv JOIN :#esoteric < 1253718372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1253718376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1253718385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION arghs at Ubuntu
< 1253718390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh why? < 1253718407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the suggested fix for the multiple beeps at shutdown problem was "$ echo "blacklist pcspkr" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf" < 1253718414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1253718417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably in a startup or shutdown script somewhere < 1253718426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1253718428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, or just in general? < 1253718430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words; don't fix the cause, just tell the kernel to fix the symptoms < 1253718433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf preserved? < 1253718435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1253718440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, maybe < 1253718445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's an okay temporary fix, though < 1253718451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1253718452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may use it < 1253718456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I dislike the speaker altogether < 1253718461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still ridiculous < 1253718473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Monkey Island II theme was the epitome of PC speaker usage < 1253718484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything afterwards is folly. < 1253718528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why not just trace what process make the relevant system call < 1253718532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then fix it < 1253718536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because it's the kernel? < 1253718538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume. < 1253718551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, I know what process it is < 1253718557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about 9 or 10 instances of shutdown(8) < 1253718565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can still trace it, but unlikely considering where it happens < 1253718568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real problem is, wtf is shutdown running that many times? < 1253718569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, huh < 1253718585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so far the commenters to the bug seem to have ignored that issue < 1253718589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that explains the multiple shut down messages I see. But why is shutdown beeping at all? < 1253718598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because you reported the noise as the problem, presumably < 1253718602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it does that... < 1253718613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it does on all machines with a PC speaker I've used < 1253718624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pretty sure it can be turned off somewhere. < 1253718653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(re Monkey Island II theme on a PC speaker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DLoSAb1-bc) < 1253718667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: shutdown(8) always beeps < 1253718675 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it has an option not to < 1253718683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesn't, it should probably be added < 1253718686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably an xml config file these days < 1253718703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, doesn't seem so. Still silent shutdowns would seem like a high priority feature for many notebook users < 1253718723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -q, --quiet reduce output to errors only < 1253718728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who the hell shuts down a notebook? < 1253718729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still beeps! < 1253718733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S3 sleep, dude. < 1253718741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I do, when I update the kernel < 1253718752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, sometimes when I have no processes running, I shut down rather than hibernate < 1253718755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it feels cleaner < 1253718768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when you update the kernel, it shuts down and beeps, okay < 1253718768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1253718776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you upgrade the kernel in situations where silence is appreciated? < 1253718783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, depends. Sometimes I do because I have HPET issues. Known regression. Ubuntu ppl doing nothing about it. < 1253718785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I sure am taking notes! As soon as this kernel upgrade finishes." < 1253718788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, most commonly I do it in a shared computer lab < 1253718792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where other people are working < 1253718801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure that short beep will kill them :P < 1253718807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's annoying, not fatal < 1253718835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :symptoms: after long uptime (doesn't matter if it has been at S3 sleep in between) the system is going slower and slower unless there are interrupts like from moving the pointer around all the time. < 1253718852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: affects what? < 1253718857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make sure to avoid any such hardware < 1253718894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, intel mobile chipsets with HPET + dual core cpu < 1253718913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... will that apply to all Core 2 hardware? < 1253718917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With an Intel mobo.) < 1253718928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, WTF? There's no way that wasn't fixed in a day, that's a huge population of users. < 1253718971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, but you can workaround it with setting a different clock source than hpet, however that causes other problems, like lots of wakeups because the counter wraps very often or plain just not working < 1253718980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it takes quite a bit for the effect to start showing up < 1253718991 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1253718996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer lots of wakeups to sinister slowness. < 1253719001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and due to the gradual nature it takes an hour or two more before you have to reboot it < 1253719031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it starts to set in something like 4-6 hours after boot (sleep not relevant here), depending on load < 1253719031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't care, I want top performance all the time. :) < 1253719038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to set in faster if the computer runs hotter < 1253719054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4-6 hours of being off or does sleep count add to it? (If so, wtf?) < 1253719083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, of being on. But sleep doesn't reset the effect as one would guess < 1253719106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh at IE8 < 1253719110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid not having an "undo close tab" < 1253719119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rely on that Firefox feature so much < 1253719119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox didn't have that for a while, I think. < 1253719123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what counts is total uptime that isn't in suspend to disk. Suspend to ram: "sometimes it seems to count, sometimes not" < 1253719125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epiphany has it. < 1253719127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very random bug this :/ < 1253719134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, at least. < 1253719136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I imagine most sane browsers do nowadays < 1253719140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, is this IE8 or IE7? < 1253719143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to tell < 1253719153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Uh, look at About. < 1253719157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1253719158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in that menu. Or the other one. < 1253719160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway it seems "intel mobile 4 series chipset" is most affected. < 1253719162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try both. < 1253719163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recent versions of IE don't have a menu bar < 1253719170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Press Alt. < 1253719172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do. < 1253719174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just hidden. < 1253719179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. IE7 < 1253719181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though from reading the bug there was people that was much worse affected than me < 1253719187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's behind the little >> icon in the top-right corner of the toolbar < 1253719191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, alternative is using a kernel older than 2.6.21 iirc < 1253719191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE 7 is pretty bad < 1253719192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1253719202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Or using the non-precise clock and accepting the wakeups < 1253719240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[With a Linux kernel, you need the newer "rtc-cmos" hardware clock device driver rather than the original "rtc" driver.]] < 1253719247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does it happen anyway? < 1253719291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, clocksource=acpi_pm seems to work for me < 1253719334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in conclusion Linux has a serious bug affecting a massive portion of users with a crippling, invisible-at-first effect and nothing is being done about it. < 1253719340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the year of the Linux desktop yet? < 1253719346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rtc interface to userspace isn't relevant as far as I could find out. Oh and pretty sure ubuntu uses the new one anyway (messing up alsa in 2.6.28 as a result, fixed in later versions) < 1253719384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not all mobile chipset users seems affected. And it was mobile chipset. So yeah year of linux desktop, but not linux laptop < 1253719437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Desktops are a dying breed, though. < 1253719460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, lots of gamers will disagree with that < 1253719480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are beefy gaming weighttops, actually. < 1253719492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it's separating into notebooks, gaming machines and workstations, I think. < 1253719517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long-term. < 1253719544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about tiny pc cases ones? Like found in computer rooms at unis and such. (lab rooms tends to have workstation style computers instead) < 1253719565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably eliminated in future as every student has a notebook anyway. < 1253719573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, we'll all regress to Athena and use thin clients! < 1253719578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Not actuall happening.) < 1253719584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*actually < 1253719586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, far from. Maybe 30-40% does as far as I have seen < 1253719606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'd say your university is abnormal. < 1253719606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah in long term maybe < 1253719624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really, I think if you read your university's material it'll say "Get a laptop, dammit". < 1253719655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they can't really say that considering the bad wlan coverage in some of the buildings < 1253719848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway desktop keyboards tends to be nicer to type on, and monitors easier to work at. Are you predicting a future for docking station + monitor + keyboard + mouse? < 1253719854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1253719889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Surprisingly, the general population don't give a shit: they're sitting at horrible 16"-18" Acer laptops with a damn number pad and an uber-glossy 16:9 screen. < 1253719898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptops with a numpad? < 1253719902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if they are of the budget nature, a 15" without a numpad. < 1253719905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's the trend nowadays. < 1253719908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, was wondering too.. < 1253719909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ridiculous < 1253719914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is. < 1253719915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, external mouse? < 1253719920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Awful trackpad. < 1253719923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is simply the current reality. < 1253719956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hoi polloi love their shitty "media" laptops, and that's enough for future dominance. Desktop machines in offices might last a while longer. < 1253719961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, at uni btw it seems like dell, hp and acer are most common, a few thinkpads. plus one or two macbooks < 1253719971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But fwiw, I don't think my ThinkPad keyboard will be anything but great. < 1253719985 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( uber-glossy 16:9 screens < 1253719987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, I prefer their style to the keyboards I've used. Scissor-switch is great. < 1253720002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the macs however are all configured to share everything over zeroconf. For some unknown reason < 1253720003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The student population is a bit different. < 1253720012 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the "advertised on the front page, 'back to school' cheapo-Acer" from the local computer retailer: http://www.verkkokauppa.com/productimages/orig/87052_02.jpg -- it indeed has a numpad there. < 1253720015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, *everything*? < 1253720026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hyperbole < 1253720034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but stuff like itunes control, printers and what not < 1253720035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's EXACTLY the bullshit that's so common. < 1253720051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Like, with no password? < 1253720081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I never decided to go that far. I only listened passively at the broadcasts < 1253720087 0 :MigoMipo!i=c1b7fd21@gateway/web/freenode/x-pihxouabzxemkqcj JOIN :#esoteric < 1253720093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Man, this current playing track title is awesome." < 1253720094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the client in ubuntu for it < 1253720142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems the 4:3 notebook is totally dead, anyway. < 1253720154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm not really happy about the forthcoming notebook dominance. < 1253720161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the macbooks all tend to be in those small group rooms (not sure of English term) at least from what I seen walking around. < 1253720173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18" 16:9 heavy uberglossies are in basically all respects inferior to desktops. < 1253720179 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, a Vista laptop with 1 GB (minus whatever you use for graphics) of memory. That sounds like a good configuration. < 1253720191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 3GB is an oddly popular configuration for cheapies over here < 1253720206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when pared with things like 1.7GHz processors that will be slow as shit anyway < 1253720227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um. get a large enough notebook with high enough dpi < 1253720234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 17" at 130 dpi < 1253720237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be awesome < 1253720238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:9 gives a bigger screen size statistic for the cost of the screen < 1253720245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diagonal measurement isn't really a good way to measure... < 1253720246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, it'd be a squintweighttop. < 1253720253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why would producing a 16:9 be cheaper?? < 1253720262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because it's smaller... < 1253720267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Indeed. 16:9 is also unusable for any purposes other than movie-watching. < 1253720270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, depends on font settings. If it was a mac it could work < 1253720277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No it couldn't? < 1253720279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What lead you to that conclusion? < 1253720287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because a 16:9 has a smaller area for the same diagonal measurement < 1253720296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macs don't even have a permanent DPI setting without using the command line, and it fucks up the GUI. < 1253720297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, good dpi handling, vector icons < 1253720305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1253720307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd < 1253720308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macs also don't use vector icons... < 1253720310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: my usual programming setup on my 16:9 is two 80-column emacs panes side by side < 1253720317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I though mac laptops were very high dpi? < 1253720319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works quite well for that < 1253720322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and handled that well < 1253720323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Apple claims their engineers found that 100ppi is the perfect size for a screen, or something. < 1253720327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I misunderstood you < 1253720328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, 120ppi or thereabouts. < 1253720339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yes, so say 120 ppi then < 1253720351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how can 100 ppi be perfect *size? < 1253720355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*size* < 1253720356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1280x800 for 13"; that's ordinary. 1440x900 for 15"; that's ordinary. 1920x1200 for 17"; that's common in the more expensive workstationtops. < 1253720406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so if you want a desktop you get a workstation in the future? Doesn't sound too bad except for the price < 1253720423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a desktop you should almost certainly buy a good notebook. < 1253720430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And plug in a display if you really want to. < 1253720459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, depends on reasons for desktop. heavy 3D modelling needing FPGAs? < 1253720471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Then you don't want a desktop, you want a workstation. < 1253720477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1253720487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So buy one; they're hardly going away. < 1253720499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what if I want a mainframe? < 1253720503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy one? < 1253720535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Video: Intel's four-screen laptop prototype hands-on" < 1253720538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, I was hoping for "I will buy it for your next birthday" or something ;P < 1253720544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, maybe reconsider buying that workstation. < 1253720553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Admittedly the three other screens are tiny ones above the keyboard.) < 1253720564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Windows Live's losses were bigger than their revenue last year < 1253720565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(F---- would not be in awe at headline again.) < 1253720566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cheating < 1253720570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than -100% profit! < 1253720578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. -100% profit! < 1253720580 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I am leaving. You are about to explode." < 1253720587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION explodes
< 1253720592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish he'd stop doing that. < 1253720594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F----? < 1253720607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A+++++++++++++++, F-------------, you know, eBay ratings. < 1253720658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, when I talked about the market splitting up I forgot netbooks. < 1253720676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Netbooks being that abominable, ever-changing category of "computer we can build for cheap, or even not so cheap nowadays". < 1253720760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : A+++++++++++++++, F-------------, you know, eBay ratings. <-- now I do < 1253720782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A++++++ EXCELLENT SELLER FAST DELIVERY WOULD BUY AGAIN" is a typical eBay feedback without exaggeration. < 1253720809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it more or less sensible than YouTube comments? < 1253720825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on average? < 1253720832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, it's definitely less varied. < 1253720840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does A and F stand for here? < 1253720863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obligatory: http://www.bash.org/?199355 < 1253720870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: US grades; well, I made up the F----- one. < 1253720870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1253720876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1253720878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, school grades. < 1253720880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so it isn't used on there? < 1253720882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1253720902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eBay users would give a glowing review of shitting on somebody's roof if the item ever got there. < 1253720910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. I worded that badly. < 1253720916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eBay users would give a glowing review of the sller shitting on their roof if the item ever got there. < 1253720972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do people still use ebay then if that is the expectation? < 1253721012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1253721018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People use eBay to buy and sell things. < 1253721074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I mean " eBay users would give a glowing review of the sller shitting on their roof if the item ever got there." sound like most of the time the item is never even delivered ? < 1253721074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said that, did I? < 1253721074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You read an awful lot of things into messages. < 1253721122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the logic was that "reason for people to give glowing review just because the item is at some point delivered..." "Hm sounds like expectations are quite low then..." "That seems to indicate that usually things are quite bad" < 1253721141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, that's not what I said at all. < 1253721152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, then I suggest clarifying what you said < 1253721155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I said implies that eBay users give positive feedback much more than negative or neutral. < 1253721156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing else. < 1253721162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was perfectly clear, your brain just took it and ran with it. < 1253721203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it wasn't perfectly clear. Maybe it was to you, because you know what you intended. "if the item ever got there" sounds like "usually it doesn't" < 1253721225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x_x < 1253721232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is only confusing to you, you know. < 1253721303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm the only other person actively talking atm. So yeah. But that means 50% too according to that metric. < 1253721364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITT AnMaster refuses to interpret that as "nobody else here would be confused by that". < 1253721403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is no statistical evidence for either claim atm < 1253721450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way that sentence could be more obnoxious was if its contents were "[citation needed]" instead. < 1253722658 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1253722954 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1253723003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I'm back < 1253723240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wb < 1253723281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you know what might cause CentOS to pick a screen frequency output that the screen can't actually display? < 1253723298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why would I know anything about centos < 1253723314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you might know enough about Linux distros in general to have an idea < 1253723315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen it over ssh on servers, and from that it is like fedora but way worse < 1253723333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what sort of thing is it selecting then? < 1253723335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the computer here in my new office has CentOS and Windows 7 installed < 1253723337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe wrong modeline? < 1253723357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CentOS boots, but you can't see anything on the screen because the screen can't display the video mode it selects (the frequency's too high) < 1253723359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should probably be auto detected if not explicitly set < 1253723363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Windows 7 only boots in safe mode < 1253723377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, was it like that from the beginning?! < 1253723381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and either way, I can't log on because I don't know my username/password yet < 1253723386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's the state that I've come to the computer in < 1253723390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what happened to it before < 1253723392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1253723408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and no clue. try looking at xorg.conf from linux vt < 1253723411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1253723437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1253723442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the text mode doesn't display either < 1253723447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I can't log in < 1253723464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nor change boot parameters to boot in single-user mode) < 1253723509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, text mode doesn't display? try changing the boot parameters in grub < 1253723516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1253723524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CentOS is like Fedora but way worse? What's wrong with Fedora? < 1253723531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can't really help you when you can't access anything on it < 1253723535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, CentOS is primarily a server thing, so I don't know why it's on that computer. < 1253723535 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you can be worse than something else without the something else being bad < 1253723541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: remote management, I imagine < 1253723543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, but the way he said it... < 1253723569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think I mentioned that a few times before, even to the point of you complaining about me mentioning too often < 1253723578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus I do not intend to repeat it again < 1253723586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what are you talking about? Mentioned what? < 1253723601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why fedora and RHEL sucks < 1253723629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall conducting some sort of ask-AnMaster-why-Fedora-sucks campaign; you're terribly paranoid about me. < 1253723637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, Linus uses Fedora. < 1253723643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're going to say RPM, aren't you? < 1253723669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPM is bad, but you don't really see it with yum... which is quite annoying but not exactly sucking. < 1253723687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but how misguided to think he'll say anything at all; he's protesting against my evil Fedora questioning campaign. < 1253723687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used yum < 1253723690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it compare to apt? < 1253723704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yum is fairly average. I remember having a problem with it but don't recall. < 1253723732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, yum is to rpm what apt is to dpkg, and only rpm actually sucks. < 1253723740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, centos tends to be incredibly outdated and have rather small repos too. In my experience. < 1253723744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care what dpkg is like, so I don't really care what rpm is like with yum. < 1253723753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1253723764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I like how you said to without anything about Fedora beforehand, thus your sentence seems to add on to nothing < 1253723780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I like how you said to without anything about Fedora beforehand, thus your sentence seems to add on to nothing" < 1253723782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammar? < 1253723790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't parse it at least < 1253723805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1253723812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My grammar was perfectly fine. < 1253723820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather unusual, it took me about 10 seconds to parse < 1253723823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*said "to" might make it a bit clearer. < 1253723831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise I omitted the quotes. < 1253723835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the quotes it's a perfectly sundry sentence. < 1253723863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... nobody seems to be reading the Enigma forums any more < 1253723873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: you used to be really active there < 1253723884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds bad. < 1253723885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : With the quotes it's a perfectly sundry sentence. <-- yes indeed < 1253723889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses disk space and bandwidth! < 1253723900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's obviously been told to be more tight-lipped. < 1253723953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what amuses me is that a free forum host would be simply superior to the current Enigma forums (faster, much more bandwidth and database space, perhaps even easier to keep despammed) < 1253723976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and cheaper ofc < 1253724044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, Enigma itself seems to be actively developed; there are hundreds of repo changes since 2 days ago < 1253724083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hundreds? < 1253724091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds *over*developed < 1253724101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Since Enigma 0.92 the current Enigma team is focussing the development on independent, new and state of art features. Compatibility issues are out of focus." < 1253724104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"S < 1253724115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that with compatibility=platform compatibility < 1253724118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was scratching my head... < 1253724142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: many of them are things like art changes < 1253724153 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-135-122.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1253724155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, you can't do hundreds of changes of work in two days < 1253724158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it's compatibility with past games like Esprit and Oxyd they mean < 1253724168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hundreds of changes is easy, IMO < 1253724173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as they're small and scattered < 1253724182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way too small... < 1253724190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like they autoconfiscated it < 1253724195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least upgraded the autoconf < 1253724199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's probably done lots of changes automatically < 1253724229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used autoconf before (nice verb there btw) < 1253724241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna have to use that one < 1253724257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "autoconfiscate" is standard, IIRC < 1253724269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't a pun on autoconf + confiscate? < 1253724271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1253724288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i do not consider < 1253724288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myself a professional player and i seriously doubt there are any 'professional' players < 1253724288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who play enigma and make money by playing enigma." --illmind, aka captain obvious < 1253724314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, looks like it's in the Jargon File: http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/A/autoconfiscate.html < 1253724327 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1253724331 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-t < 1253724345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: esr likely made it up one day, then < 1253724365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, probably < 1253724365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/A/autobogotiphobia.html ;; he definitely made the preceding entry up < 1253724371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^ // < 1253724380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just being published there probably made more people inclined to use it < 1253724382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd check the original File, but it predates the woeful time of autoconf. < 1253724399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ Automatically, but in a way that, for some reason (typically because it is too complicated, or too ugly, or perhaps even too trivial), the speaker doesn't feel like explaining to you. See magic. “The C-INTERCAL compiler generates C, then automagically invokes cc(1) to produce an executable.”]] < 1253724404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First thought: Hey, a C-INTERCAL shoutout. < 1253724411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second thought: Oh wait, he's fellating his own ego. < 1253724431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a stupid method of automagically < 1253724436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was much more fun making it work on DOS < 1253724443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, exec() is very magical. < 1253724445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needed info here is that DOS has a 127-character limit on command lines < 1253724452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^\[\[ /[[/ < 1253724455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in the end, I ended up with a wrapper shellscript < 1253724480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the DOS version of gcc accepts @filename.txt to specify arguments via a file rather than the command line) < 1253724498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs enigma
< 1253724510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which version? < 1253724542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... what do you call something which is an alpha in terms of feature-completeness, but where the developers made efforts to package it for general usage? < 1253724553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore is sort-of like an RC, but based on an alpha rather than something you plan to release? < 1253724558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasted. < 1253724627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Intel announces 22nm chips for 2011" < 1253724996 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1253725000 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1253725033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1253725039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1253725044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1253725095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1253725103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1253725143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mozilla has announced that it plans to bring Office 2007's Ribbon interface to Firefox" < 1253725145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is so not appropriate < 1253725189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the title's just lying < 1253725194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1253725200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone drew a ribbon on Firefox as a mockup of what it would look like < 1253725203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the picture was misinterpreted < 1253725206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just an idea atm < 1253725206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1253725210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not all ideas go everywhere < 1253725219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link to it anyway? < 1253725261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the link, I'm just going by the comments on that reddit article < 1253725271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get the link more easily than me, therefore < 1253725280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because presumably you have the article open < 1253725287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It has no such thing. < 1253725354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1253725966 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1253726150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1253726164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ais523 < 1253726262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1253726484 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks up and sees a streak of over four hours of nothing but AnMaster plus four lines.
< 1253726512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're ignoring ais523 too? < 1253726528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, you are ignoring ais as well as ehird I gather? < 1253726540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, iwc < 1253726540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out how on earth ais523 is objectionable enough to ignore. < 1253726547 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That streak ends before ais begins talking. < 1253726553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah hm < 1253726557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that explains it < 1253726588 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: must be the condescending elitist manner of perfection < 1253726603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 has one of those? :P < 1253726642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's _earned money_ on esoteric work dammit < 1253726655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, that's quite upsetting. < 1253726855 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: steve's insurance cannot be cheap < 1253726867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, true < 1253726885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine he's not very endangered inside a coffin < 1253726928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't bet on that < 1253726940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's steve after all < 1253726965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad movie idea: the stingray... is back... FOR ANOTHER BITE < 1253726966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irwin < 1253726970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Summer 2011 < 1253727047 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the same steve. dmm's proof: their wives spell their names differently < 1253727070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you spell steve irwin differently? < 1253727076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I missing a joke.. < 1253727079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*joke... < 1253727080 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wives' name < 1253727083 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s < 1253727116 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terry/terri < 1253727122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1253727912 0 :ErroneousDonk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lament < 1253729034 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1253729231 0 :MigoMipo!i=c1b7fd21@gateway/web/freenode/x-fqypqtilzuhigluw JOIN :#esoteric < 1253730071 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@LRouen-152-83-15-79.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1253730153 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat66.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1253730183 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1253730612 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1253730644 0 :MigoMipo!i=c1b7fd21@gateway/web/freenode/x-apufalegbwywzwir JOIN :#esoteric < 1253730671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi impomatic < 1253730797 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-164-33-22.range86-164.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1253731285 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Ehird :-) < 1253731291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi impomatic < 1253731481 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Ehird :-) < 1253731488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack overflow < 1253731552 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pointer error < 1253731587 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bus Error < 1253731627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Car error < 1253731815 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some websites give some weird errors. E.g. the fail whale and fail banana. Or "Something's broken, why don't you go out to play for a while" < 1253731881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best error page is one that causes your browser to segfault. < 1253731886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be a man and stop clicking broken links. < 1253731930 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1253732894 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never click broken links. I navigate by hacking URLs < 1253732996 0 :inc0!n=inc0@adab219.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1253733035 0 :inc0!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1253733770 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. I tried clam chowder soup today. I try it every couple of months to see if I like it. Every time the answer is "fuck no", and I throw out half of it. (the other half I spend thinking of those poor clams) < 1253733787 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clam chowder, why do you seduce me so :( < 1253733801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect you are getting bad clam chowder. < 1253733811 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since clam chowder is delicious. < 1253733865 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried clam chowder from various sources. I say, meh. < 1253733888 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very well then. < 1253733912 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you should stick to other delicious things, such as delicious, delicious curry. < 1253733937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or antimatter. < 1253733937 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-howard < 1253733972 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curry is pretty nice. < 1253733995 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION may need to make some curry tonight.
< 1253734061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the main horrific thing about GLib is its class definition. < 1253734067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed. < 1253734067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/GObject_example.png ;; awful < 1253734081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, that's basically the same as: < 1253734087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"""The size of the file in bytes, or zero.""" < 1253734089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :file_size = 0 < 1253734097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if we want to be more typed: < 1253734109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/** The size of the file in bytes, or zero. */ < 1253734114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uint64 file_size = 0; < 1253734140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ensure(>= 0, < UINT64_MAX); < 1253734158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When your object system is more painful than C++'s, you fail at objects forever. < 1253734172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The object *system* is fine, just not the interface. < 1253734179 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ... Right. < 1253734183 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally what I meant to say. < 1253734191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I detect sarcasm. < 1253734209 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is none that I meant. < 1253734212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright. < 1253734221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof that GObject doesn't have to be horrible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vala_(programming_language) < 1253734309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing GObject in C is about as awful as writing C++ classes in C would be. < 1253734491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Vala seems nice, though. < 1253734672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah. 'S what I'ma write my IRC client in. < 1253734681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"gnop" < 1253734696 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.73.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1253734704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoopsie. < 1253734745 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest that GNOME kill C in favor of Vala. It seems to make GTK a sane and reasonable library... < 1253734764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the applications, agreed. Although C# with Gtk# is becoming popular. < 1253734786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For GObject libraries, C is probably better since you have seemingly more direct control over the object system itself, I think. < 1253734790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm not sure. < 1253734794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah. < 1253734807 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is obviously going to be seeing use at least in parts of the libraries. < 1253734811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vala is a little unstable; releases seem to happen very often. < 1253734846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And the reference counting is a downside in some cases. < 1253734915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making this a GNOME app and library is killing me; so hard to resist the urge to start coding on the backend and read the Gnome HIG and design an interface instead. :) < 1253737342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=1857&aid=-1 < 1253737347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CowboyNeal < 1253737924 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@p5B13269A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1253739594 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1253739960 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@host86-164-33-22.range86-164.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1253740187 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1253740646 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1253740923 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-156-97-236.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1253741492 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"mov.i #1,1" < 1253741640 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1253742940 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-135-122.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1253743203 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1253744374 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1253745125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"gnop" < 1253745142 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.73.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1253746002 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1253747490 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-064-038.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1253747502 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1253747514 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1253748048 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1253748272 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1253748348 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1253748402 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ugh. I tried clam chowder soup today. I try it every couple of months to see if I like it. Every time the answer is "fuck no", and I throw out half of it. (the other half I spend thinking of those poor clams) < 1253748412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i see your problem there. < 1253748420 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: it's in the second sentence. < 1253748470 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never know. I didn't like mushrooms too much until I had them buried in Chinese food sauce < 1253748571 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your emphasis is well-placed, however < 1253748678 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If some food tastes bad, check that it has enough fat in it. Fat tastes good. But OTOH, High-Fat High-Carbohydrate food probably isn't very healthy... < 1253748820 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure they breed clams for leanness, but you never know... < 1253748893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: that's a rather odd formula; are you suggesting fat = taste? :P < 1253748907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this year there was an article in a norwegian newspaper that our lambs are now so lean that the national dish (sheep in cabbage) is getting tasteless < 1253748926 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Butter, olive oil or coconut oil is good way to add fats if you aren't sure... < 1253748957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bacon's probably the best way to add fat, because you also add bacon. < 1253748958 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh given the special taste of sheep fat, some suggested that may not be all bad for its popularity... < 1253749014 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Lard... < 1253749099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: you need to work on your english articles. and i say that only because your english otherwise seems perfect to me. < 1253749179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too perfect. Ilari is clearly unamerican and therefore a terrorist. < 1253749239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly, possibly... < 1253749261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he hasn't denied it, it must be true. < 1253749269 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah... < 1253749295 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a terrorist _would_ deny it. until after the bomb. < 1253749323 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Or something else very nasty. :-> < 1253749333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: i'm scared now < 1253749340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, exactly, is this nasty thing < 1253749350 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bombs, planes, crab infestation... < 1253749357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the possibilities are endless < 1253749525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1253749587 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a certain reassortment between H1N1 and HPAI A/H5N1 ("Bird flu"). Probably that combination either produces nonviable virus or something Nasty^(N+1). < 1253749637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: you know, please don't do that, kay? < 1253749640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx. < 1253749646 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea which, IIRC, nobody has tried and nobody with resources to do it is crazy enough to try < 1253749704 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most terrorists probably don't want to hit their _own_ population too hard < 1253749818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm reassortments of influenza switch between 8 parts, don't they. so you only have to try 254 combinations. < 1253749854 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some combinations are more likely to produce something REALLY Nasty if they happen to work. < 1253749916 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming the part that makes H1N1 really infective isn't the same part as what makes H5N1 really deadly < 1253749929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: either you learn really fast, or have way too much time on your hands :) < 1253749993 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly he reads news. it's not like this stuff wasn't plastered everywhere a few months ago < 1253750025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the news talk about mixing flus for great evil? < 1253750064 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, albeit by accident < 1253750120 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Influenza is too unstable to be usable as (non-doomsday) biological weapon... < 1253750153 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, basically only north korea will have developed this stuff < 1253750247 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if one wants to make doomsday biological weapon out of influenza, wonder if some immune system exploit could be spiced in. Would likely really pump up the CFR... < 1253750301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the council of foreign relations? possibly. < 1253750316 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on < 1253750319 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good such exploit and resistance to main antivirals -> ~100% CFR. < 1253750348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's using acronyms I don't understand, I conclude that this sstuff isn't from the news :P < 1253750359 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CFR => Case Fatality Rate. < 1253750384 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1253750384 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i was nearly about to apply a case of fatal swatting there < 1253750389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stuff < 1253750391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :( < 1253750393 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1253750394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait to Ilari?