< 1253923734 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1253924343 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1253926105 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1253927312 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1253927348 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-139-228.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1253928140 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I learn emacs, or vi? < 1253928225 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi < 1253928225 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi < 1253928226 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi < 1253928229 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim, specifically. < 1253928232 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs is for losers. < 1253928459 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1253928591 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I regard Vi as tolerable for some simple editing (but nano tends to be better for that), but Vim is completely unusuable... :-) < 1253928773 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You emacs lunatics just haven't Seen the Light. < 1253928782 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Light that is vim < 1253928861 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have some affection for emacs stemming from when I brought a book on Emacs, since I thought it was connected to macs < 1253928876 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also did the same thing with CORBA, and that's the story of why I know a bit of COBOL) < 1253929024 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried to use Vim. It was total crap (Vi was only crap, but not total crap). < 1253929192 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. The user nobody is running ImapProxy on my school's linux system < 1253929222 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nobody user is used for things that shouldn't have access to anything in particular. < 1253929248 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know what ImapProxy is, but is there anything interesting implied by the fact that it's running? < 1253929261 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it. < 1253929470 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of the teachers is stalking the Hockey club? < 1253929608 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1253929677 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/b99qje4snvmmgqaapnpm6g < 1253929708 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even to my unaccustomed-to-bash eyes, that looks ugly < 1253930234 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some indentation would help. < 1253930487 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that bash file made to stalk hockey? < 1253930612 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1253930639 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That being said, it's a HUGE waste of CPU. < 1253930693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me hate bash. < 1253930728 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I've seen the light that is Vim. M-x vimperator was kinda lame. < 1253930794 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1253931062 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is C# a good language to learn? < 1253931133 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; the only interesting thing in C# is monads. And if you're really wanting to learn those, learn you some Haskell. < 1253931186 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is the best to learn for a career in programming? < 1253931205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, for a career? < 1253931210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't learn languages. < 1253931212 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn concepts. < 1253931223 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it so you could reasonably learn a language in a couple of weeks. < 1253931255 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm at that point, but I'm not sure < 1253931296 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, at least for languages that follow whatever thing C is, as in, not functional or whatever) < 1253931302 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also OOP < 1253931333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... So, you know imperative OO languages. < 1253931345 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn some functional languages. < 1253931387 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is the solution to all problems. < 1253931411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Says the D programmer. < 1253931416 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew enough Haskell at once point to make a bad pun < 1253931419 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't programmed in D in months :P < 1253931570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Fine, fine. < 1253931577 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Says the guy responsible for Plof. < 1253932210 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why is root running GNOME? < 1253932218 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :root :0 - 08Jul09 ?xdm? 20:40m 0.22s /usr/bin/gnome-session < 1253932829 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1253932983 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sent a mail to that stalkery professor... < 1253933062 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1253934357 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253934359 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253934359 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253934362 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253934363 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1253934379 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-139-228.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1253934379 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-069-215.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1253934379 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1253934379 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-223.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1253934379 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r02jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1253935357 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1253935431 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i finally figured out that the packing density of circles arranged hexagonally is pi * sqrt(3)/6 < 1253935440 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it's been a long time since i've done math < 1253937976 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-211-146-170.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1253939561 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1253939945 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1253940788 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1253940796 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1253941460 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1253941643 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1253943694 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1253943698 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_0F/screen0.png < 1253943737 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it doesn't look much like a pipe < 1253943787 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't supposed to be a pipe. The "THIS IS NOT A PIPE" is based on a art by Magritte < 1253943798 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but they wrote it in French, and it actually had pictures of pipes) < 1253943808 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But other than that it is unrelated < 1253943811 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1253943899 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.michaelarnoldart.com/Magritte-The_Two_Mysteries-1966-1.jpg < 1253944546 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, is the first picture, good, nevertheless? Did you like it? And, what about Magritte's picture? Do you like that one too? < 1253944619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Headache" < 1253945300 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two little sticks They're made out of wood And they help you To pick up your lunch Your lunch And if you practice Then you'd get good And you'll tind you can pick up A bunch to munch Eat noodles with chopsticks Eat dumplings with chopsticks Eat sushi with chopsticks That's fish! Don't eat soup with your chopsticks That's no good with chopsticks And jello with slide off Your dish I eat with chopsticks Can you eat with chopsticks Doctor told us < 1253946316 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1253946332 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-129-135.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1253947189 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1253947463 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1253951999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1253952000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1253956261 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@p5B132B0A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1253957128 0 :MigoMipo!i=54d907d2@gateway/web/freenode/x-zptbkcwmlpjslgqx JOIN :#esoteric < 1253957966 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1253960233 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1253961689 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@83.183.183.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1253962129 0 :FireyFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1253963366 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly < 1253964428 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1253965208 0 :augur_!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1253965211 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1253968802 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1253968811 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1253969698 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1253973128 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1253973192 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1253974786 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.73.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1253974870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:15:00 Also, violet is rated PG-13; purple and yellow are rated B; and green is rated at 8.3. < 1253974872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1253974993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:32:53 You emacs lunatics just haven't Seen the Light. < 1253974994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:33:02 The Light that is vim < 1253975011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're both on crack, but vi has a coherent philosophy, so I declare that Gregor is Victor. < 1253975039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Victor Frankenstein, but still < 1253975045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:05:28 Gregor: I've seen the light that is Vim. M-x vimperator was kinda lame. < 1253975047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean M-x viper. < 1253975050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vimperator is Firefox. < 1253975062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*viper-mode < 1253975067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you might be joking. < 1253975074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, pikhq liking vim? < 1253975084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:13:06 What language is the best to learn for a career in programming? < 1253975096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a healthy dose of "I hate my life and want it to be hell". < 1253975384 0 :coppro!n=chatzill@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1253975973 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1253976261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I will give 99€ to anyone completing C99 support in TinyCC." < 1253976263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1253976268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a stupid thing to say < 1253976287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this guy have any idea how much programmers working on a damn compiler would usually be paid? < 1253976756 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-156-195-167.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1253978656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf ubuntu < 1253978659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my password < 1253978660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me authenticate < 1253978683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, capslock < 1253979214 0 :Tinned_Tuna!n=danny@94-195-251-193.zone9.bethere.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1253979312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Gnome 2.28 came out. < 1253979315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did that happen? < 1253979353 0 :Tinned_Tuna!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, when no one was looking < 1253979358 0 :Tinned_Tuna!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did it in secret < 1253979375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they conspired with the Ubuntu alpha team too, because I already have it. < 1253979407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advantage of using the alpha: exciting bug fix updates EVERY DAY! < 1253979412 0 :Tinned_Tuna!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :-D < 1253979444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disadvantage: Nothing quite works right.) < 1253979497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"# GNOME menus and buttons have been standardised across all applications to not display icons by default. Menu items with dynamic objects, including applications, files or bookmarks, and devices are the exception and can display an icon. This change will standardise the look and feel of menus and present a cleaner interface to users.'" < 1253979499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*users." < 1253979506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems they reverted it in Ubuntu because I still have 'em. < 1253979510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder where the setting is. < 1253979567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons < 1253979587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's also in Appearance. Heh. < 1253979598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found when Googling: < 1253979602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[For some reason, the folks at GNOME (the “usability” team) decided to turn off icons in menus.]] < 1253979608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He says "usability" throughout the post. < 1253979620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Now these people, these are FAKE usability experts." < 1253979628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer needs to restart to finish installing updates. Please save your work before continuing. < 1253979630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1253979639 0 :Tinned_Tuna!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so glad I got to opt out of the user interface modules < 1253979651 0 :Tinned_Tuna!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my command line, and that's how everyone should use my software. < 1253979661 0 :Tinned_Tuna!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of this nancy-pancy "button" shit. < 1253979666 0 :Tinned_Tuna!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that said < 1253979682 0 :Tinned_Tuna!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a GUI on my computer for pidgin, xchat, firefox, eclipse is nice < 1253979689 0 :Tinned_Tuna!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't want to make them :-p < 1253979784 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.73.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1253979792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It probably just inherited my pre-upgrade settings, actually.) < 1253979809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tinned_Tuna: did you see the codepad I linked you yesterday, btw? < 1253979821 0 :Tinned_Tuna!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye < 1253979828 0 :Tinned_Tuna!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making a tape of my own < 1253979856 0 :Tinned_Tuna!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the ol' dictionary of functions trick wouldn't really work too well, but if you abstract the tape away like you did, it makes a whole load of sense < 1253979861 0 :Tinned_Tuna!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. I'm doing it too :-p < 1253979863 0 :Tinned_Tuna!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :-) < 1253979872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1253979889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tinned_Tuna: caveat: you have to assign self.instructions in __init__, since self.tape is < 1253979912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tinned_Tuna: also < 1253979913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : else: < 1253979913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : raise BFSyntaxError('Unmatched [.') < 1253979913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1253979913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if openings: < 1253979913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : raise BFSyntaxError('Unmatched ].') < 1253979917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those two errors are backwards < 1253979920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretend they're flipped :P < 1253979937 0 :Tinned_Tuna!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe :-) < 1253979952 0 :Tinned_Tuna!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old did you say you were? < 1253979957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14, why? < 1253980026 0 :Tinned_Tuna!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem older. < 1253980034 0 :Tinned_Tuna!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're taking about 0x14 < 1253980048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably cliche to say "a lot of people say that". < 1253980085 0 :Tinned_Tuna!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likely < 1253980099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1253980115 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.73.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1253980128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: `killall gnome-panel` hides the xchat-gnome icon. < 1253980143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: btw, you know you said removing the icons from the application menus would be bad? < 1253980149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only affects program menus < 1253981797 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1253983825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1253984729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, seems like extensions are gone for good now in Epiphany < 1253984739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were all crap, though. < 1253984783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1253984931 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.73.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1253986649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, seems like extensions are gone for good now in Epiphany <-- hm? < 1253986660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean stuff like firefox add-ons? < 1253986663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1253986667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more like plugins < 1253986668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1253986672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, both. < 1253986674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same thing. < 1253986680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Add-Ons encompass extensions and themes in Firefox, iirc.) < 1253986698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, correct. And plugins would be stuff like java and flash < 1253986704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Indeed: Tabs are "extensions", "Themes", "Languages", "Plugins") < 1253986710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ah. Those are still in, obviously. < 1253986739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes plugins are in "add-ons" nowdays, they weren't some versions ago < 1253986773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epiphany doesn't have any themes because themes are stupid, why have them just in a browser? your desktop environment already has themes, and no languages because they're all included < 1253986785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "add-ons" could only refer to extensions or plugins and now extensions are gone. < 1253986799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, wow Evolution really sucks. < 1253986811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so enterprisey and it doesn't even work. < 1253986856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I use the Creationism email client; it's just an empty window.) < 1253986867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except for one button, "connect".) < 1253986887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(When you click it, a dialog pops up saying "Magic happening..." and an imprecise batting-backwards-and-forth progress bar.) < 1253986892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It never disappears.) < 1253986898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, reason for firefox themes is probably that the default look isn't the native look. And quite crappy as well < 1253986928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't get that joke < 1253986943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Firefox's majority market is on Windows, where it looks fine. < 1253986949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although that weird back/forth eye thing is a bit odd.) < 1253986973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Themes are just because idiots are very demanding of silliness like that... especially if one is a developer. :P < 1253986973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Although that weird back/forth eye thing is a bit odd.) <-- huh? < 1253986992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you haven't seen it? < 1253987002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://z.about.com/d/browsers/1/0/k/B/-/-/openffbrowser.jpg < 1253987004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you are referring to < 1253987009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the backwards/forwards buttons. < 1253987019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that yeah < 1253987028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I do use a theme :P < 1253987033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I hate firefox default look < 1253987034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks sort of like O_o, which I guess is why people call it the eye. < 1253987056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu's Firefox just makes it use the default buttons in regular style, which is... boringly sane? < 1253987068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But boring there is probably a good thing. < 1253987085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, free interpretation of that GUI feature: this means they are conservative, prefer going back rather than making progress < 1253987099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, I have found the one webcomic worse than User Friendly. < 1253987107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ubuntu's Firefox just makes it use the default buttons in regular style, which is... boringly sane? <-- ubuntu's firefox isn't the last one iirc < 1253987114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free Software Magazine's "The Bizarre Cathedral". Representative example: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/files/www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/nodes/3210/strip.jpg < 1253987118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it is in karmic alpha6. < 1253987124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1253987128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spoiler: Still sucks < 1253987170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Free Software Magazine's "The Bizarre Cathedral". Representative example: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/files/www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/nodes/3210/strip.jpg <-- quite a horrible joke < 1253987177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if one could even call it joke < 1253987185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's been going since 2004 and as near as I can tell they're all that bad < 1253987195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1253987210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the characters always have exactly the same pixels, to boot < 1253987223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of them just have the characters and nothing else < 1253987280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the characters always have exactly the same pixels, to boot <-- Ryan North style? < 1253987288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I spoke wrongly; apparently "(C) Copyright by its author, 2004-2008" is for the whole FSM. < 1253987293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing has only been sucking since 2008. < 1253987298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, different amounts and arrangements < 1253987308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, those comics have a name, you know < 1253987320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what do you mean? < 1253987341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ryan North style" vs "Dinosaur Comics style" < 1253987398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well he write that comic < 1253987408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I fail to see what is wrong with my phrasing of it < 1253987426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's not inherent to ryan north to use that style? < 1253987434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he made another comic I doubt it would be the same < 1253987462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :question then is: does he make another one? < 1253987524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter, the style is dinosaur comics', not ryan north's, it's that one specific project < 1253987563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seemed to understand what I meant anyway, thus the communication worked < 1253987581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loLi t00tally agree d00d < 1253987588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reallyy///agree < 1253987590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : This thing has only been sucking since 2008. <-- so it was good before that? < 1253987606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sentence does not imply that at all. < 1253987622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true, that is why I was asking < 1253987653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the line before it implies I was mistaken about 2004, then I mention 2008 being when it started sucking, after mentioning earlier that it's a really bad comic < 1253987653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the alternative would be it hasn't been running at all before 2008 < 1253987659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the correct option. < 1253987704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what do you think about that PhD comic btw? < 1253987717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link. < 1253987728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php but look at older ones for better jokes < 1253987739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think fizzie linked one of those once. < 1253987739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is even a "highlights" section under "about" < 1253987754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :love that mystery meat navigation there < 1253987756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not. < 1253987757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, quite possible. The one about thesis title? < 1253987764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ehm, I think so < 1253987768 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think I linked that one. < 1253987786 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*foop* You summoned me here. < 1253987796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie < 1253987804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO line of fizzie clones how ARE you < 1253987808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yep sounds right. Some of those are quite good. But IME the jokes get a bit repetitive after a while < 1253987818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did the chicken cross the road? < 1253987823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get to the other side. To get to the other side. To get to the other side. To get to the other side. < 1253987831 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. Hi. Hello. Elloh. Hola. Hi. We're just fine. < 1253987867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I do this, < 1253987875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((fizzie )S:^):^ < 1253987876 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fi ...too much output! < 1253987882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh haha < 1253987886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there infinite yous are only the one mentioned in my program + the ones that got output? < 1253987890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ? < 1253987891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, doesn't work when a bot does it < 1253987900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially not one he coded himsef < 1253987901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it does, it's just a question how much. < 1253987902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :himself* < 1253987930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm < 1253987960 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I had to kill an infinite number of clones to get the keyboard. Yes, there were many. < 1253987967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1253987979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can I hire you as a hitman? < 1253987984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got some monkeys wasting time < 1253987988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'd like to sell the typewriters < 1253988006 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the PETA might complain. < 1253988025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((fizzie )S:^):^ < 1253988025 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fizzie fi ...too much output! < 1253988039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whichever one of you doesn't give a shit about animals and likes the number 29346238472348234234, come to the keyboard < 1253988072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phooey. < 1253988088 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, we all decided to go get some snacks. It may take a while for us to find enough. -Z < 1253988098 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Z/>/ < 1253988114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: eat the monkeys! < 1253988150 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Eat the monkey and win", isn't that the popular banner ad. (Really gone now.) < 1253988272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Eat the monkey and win", isn't that the popular banner ad. (Really gone now.) <-- HUH? < 1253988359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Atheists Can't Prove That Richard Dawkins Exists." --title of a post on a blog that I can't ascertain whether is a parody or not < 1253988618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: link me to that recent linux root exploit? < 1253988641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, which one? vmsplice? < 1253988646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the more recent one? < 1253988654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot what the last one was about at all < 1253988655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember, but very recent < 1253988660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and going back many versions < 1253988674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something with network iirc? < 1253988697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont recall < 1253988697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*don't < 1253988995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well nor do I < 1253988998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can't help really < 1253989008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about a parameter not being checked properly < 1253989023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with sendpage or sendfile or something < 1253989038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for some protocols < 1253990012 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the network stack NULL pointer call? < 1253990035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like it < 1253990181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1253990198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it's been patched, though < 1253990214 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1253990223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes Sgeo < 1253990224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no Sgeo < 1253990226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one Sgeo < 1253990229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third one Sgeo < 1253990231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter Sgeo < 1253990241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, queue of answers to the inevitable questions added to < 1253990289 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is C++ a good language? Should I use Linux instead of Windows? < 1253990301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never specified the order of the additions. < 1253990336 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah. Setting mmap limit to nonzero and desuiding the pulseaudio wrapper should make exploiting it harder (and if you have SELinux, remove those mmap_zero's)... < 1253990370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just use Ubuntu's presumably-patched kernel and not install stupid software. :P < 1253990473 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder why there isn't boolean in standard SELinux policy to globally remove all mmap_zero permissions... < 1253990476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, desuiding pulseaudio wrapper? hm? why does it need suid to begin with < 1253990484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how can it be exploited < 1253990488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exploited* < 1253990514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be with a patched kernel, presumably < 1253990522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, uh, to talk to alsa or whatever low-level? < 1253990555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm... yet normal apps can talk to pulseaudio just fine < 1253990588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the root-running pulseaudio daemon. < 1253990613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be running as root, rather as some special puseaudio user < 1253990645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSA dictates, presumably. < 1253990651 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that recent kernels prevent exploiting Pulseaudio for mapping the NULL page. < 1253990720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, pulseaudio should fix whatever bug allows such exploiting < 1253990736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well I mean < 1253990739 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSA lets normal users speak sound just fine; my guess would be something related to real-time scheduling, if they need such tricks, latency-wide. < 1253990750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wise* < 1253990752 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the root permissions are related to scheduling or so... < 1253990758 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wise, yes. < 1253990758 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ps aux, find someone running a strangely named bash script, and investigate, is that creepy? < 1253990770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you already told us about this < 1253990771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh... < 1253990775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you constantly repeat things < 1253990779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, it's given real-time scheduling permission < 1253990784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it creepy to investigate < 1253990789 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you about it, but I didn't ask if it's creepy < 1253990799 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/xZnbZmru < 1253990806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a good move, because it turns out you should probably know whether something's creepy or not. < 1253990817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Sgeo runs around IRL asking such questions < 1253990846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that person shouldn't be teaching that glass if they recommend using up all the cpu like that < 1253990877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*class < 1253990883 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should teach Glass more. < 1253990902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glass is way too enterprisey! < 1253990910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah especially the Swedish meaning of glass < 1253990915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is en:icecream < 1253990920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to put everything in objects, like Java! < 1253990924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: esolang fail. < 1253990930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly bacon flavoured and delivered by unicorns < 1253990956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm AWARE of the common internet vernacular, and I can PROVE it! < 1253990965 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm, unicorn-flavored bacon. < 1253990974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sidenote: Vernacular. Great word or greatest word?) < 1253990975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm AWARE of the common internet vernacular, and I can PROVE it! < 1253990977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1253990985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : possibly bacon flavoured and delivered by unicorns < 1253990985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just parodying you < 1253990988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sp?) < 1253991000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not very good at it < 1253991019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no I wasn't aware of that being any sort of meme or whatever. Just that you seem to 1) love bacon 2) love unicorns and ponies < 1253991031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus unicorn ponies < 1253991035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well < 1253991051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, AnMaster; I legitimately love unicorns and ponies. < 1253991074 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what I did is not against the acceptable use policy, unless "private files" covers everything in ~ < 1253991075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as opposed to illegitimately loving them? < 1253991078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1253991096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can't resist that underage unicorn horn. < 1253991099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahem. < 1253991114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1253991124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: doesn't really matter, poking around and getting into shit when it's not (a) fun or (b) necessary is probably inadvisable. < 1253991138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm unicorn < 1253991143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about bicorn? < 1253991154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and popcorn too I guess < 1253991162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's called a deer. < 1253991181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, depends on where they are mounted < 1253991416 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually out in the forest. < 1253991420 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where all the *corns get it on. < 1253991427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to mention that, dammit. < 1253991442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nooooo, I went, "ELLIOTT, FOR ONCE BE MATURE AND DON'T TURN THE TOPIC TO DEER SEX". < 1253991453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might sue you. < 1253991471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, :D < 1253991478 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric: A channel for and about deer sex. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1253991501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric: for deer sex, by deer sex | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1253991509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are all the abstract concept of deer sex. < 1253991533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric: for dear sex, by dear sex | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1253991599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it should represent the views on that stuff quite well in here. < 1253991622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric: for unicorn sex, by deer sex | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1253991634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric: for unicorn sex, by pony sex | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1253991647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric: pony up for sex, unicorn sex | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1253991659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X| < 1253991667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legalise unicorn prostitution! < 1253991674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALTERNATIVELY < 1253991683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fully support ponies having sex with unicorns, if that's what they're up for. < 1253991694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great value: two jokes for the price of one. < 1253991818 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts installing Haskell stuff < 1253991826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: install the haskell platform. < 1253991831 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am < 1253991834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. < 1253991851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, use emacs to edit with the latest haskell-mode with haskell-indentation. < 1253991855 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also installing Leksah and WinHugs (does WinHugs use the Haskell platform?) < 1253991857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you like gnawing your hair out < 1253991861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: fail < 1253991864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :winhugs uses hugs instead of ghci < 1253991869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different implementations < 1253991892 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but does hugs implement all the stuff that the platform provides to haskell programs? < 1253991903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Platform is just GHC + some libraries. < 1253991910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hugs fails. It's old and doesn't support many of the things GHC does. < 1253991912 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hugs is freaking old. < 1253991920 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like 3 years out of date. < 1253991924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As Gregor can attest, even Hugs' author tells people to use GHC. < 1253991941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, officially on the website? < 1253991948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, when teaching a course. < 1253991949 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, to his students. < 1253991953 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a professor at PSU. < 1253991960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1253991969 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Leksah provide a pretty interface to GHCi, or otherwise have a shell environment? < 1253991983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what is wrong with plain ghci? < 1253991987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leksah can run GHCi expressions, but it's kind of rubbish. < 1253991988 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leksah? I'm sure it does. Leksah is actually maintained. ;) < 1253991993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he's a stupid windows user who doesn't use the CLI :P < 1253992001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1253992001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Kind of rubbish at running GHCi stuff, that is.) < 1253992012 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a WinGhci. (But it's annoying.) < 1253992016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: also broken < 1253992023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it freezes on startup if you resize the windows < 1253992029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows has cmd.exe. < 1253992030 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...... < 1253992040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :................. < 1253992044 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF does resizing a window have to do with whehter it freezes or not? < 1253992053 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's a game < 1253992057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because unmaximizing it stores the window position in the registry < 1253992061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the code that reads it if it's there must break < 1253992062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Unless it's a game <-- wth? < 1253992065 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't see that here. I just see the wab tab complete doesn't work, and Ctrl-C creates a modal dialog box instead of just... stopping < 1253992079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does being a game has to do with it < 1253992082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wab tab complete < 1253992089 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wab/way < 1253992093 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, well, I would expect that a poorly designed game engine might not respond well to having to change where it's drawing to < 1253992107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I can't imagine what sort of game would do that < 1253992117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a windows one. < 1253992148 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about graphics, so.. < 1253992152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, stop ruining my anti-windos attack by cutting it short < 1253992161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(typo intentional) < 1253992175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say windows one because every game is on windows. < 1253992192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the supertux and tux racer developers have probably gone to great lengths ensuring that it works at 8x42 resolution. < 1253992194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hyperbole fail < 1253992204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1253992207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so are you seriously suggesting a gamer could use linux as their only OS. < 1253992208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is nethack too < 1253992223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, last I heard portal worked great in wine for example < 1253992227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe < 1253992231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee, portal < 1253992231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough to be sure < 1253992238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a whole one recent game that linux supports, then < 1253992240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a short one, to boot < 1253992248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and that "last I heard" was about 2 months after it was released < 1253992251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meh < 1253992306 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finally figures out why Leksah is called Leksah < 1253992317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1253992323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering that too < 1253992328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskel backwards. < 1253992330 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reverse the letters < 1253992333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hah < 1253992344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is that "Leksah" sounds crap < 1253992346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to go for lolcats for "lexer" < 1253992353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounded closer < 1253992355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that. < 1253992393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, rearranging audacity toolbars is a bitch < 1253992410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? You are doing sound editing? < 1253992453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, works just fine here < 1253992461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2TlM0zDLh0 sounds sort of like a beat, so I wanted to speed it up, make it sound more like a beat and then put some silly synth notes on it to be silly, but audacity is making me rather do something more productive like, say, shoot myself < 1253992490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: drag all the toolbars out, add the main play/record/etc buttons, put the L/R volume meters next to it, then try to add the volume+device selection control as a new toolbar below it < 1253992512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm what is wrong with standard layout < 1253992526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an eyesore, plus they aren't arranged in any coherent fashion < 1253992526 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I broke Leksah by being lazy < 1253992531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just all over the place < 1253992548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, worse or better than gimp? < 1253992566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimp only works well if it's the only thing on your screen, but recent versions have some sort of interaction design < 1253992582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tool options kinda suck and the menu too but the rest is semi-ok < 1253992658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interaction design? < 1253992701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically like "UI design", except you start from "how do we accomplish this final task, and what's the most steamlined, discoverable way of doing it?" instead of "how can we arrange the buttons so they're easier to get to?" < 1253992717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e., less retarded. well, the latter are still useful, but only if you have a former.) < 1253992742 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crud < 1253992748 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does Leksah store its data? < 1253992758 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m found it < 1253992762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for just reminding me why I hate designing GUIs < 1253992777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because you're a programmer, and don't care about non-programmer users? < 1253992786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, programmers are bad at designing UIs, no shit, who doesn't know that? < 1253992786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, duh, just use ghci in either cmd.exe or urxvt < 1253992791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both exists for wincrap < 1253992792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leksah is not a ghci. < 1253992800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, correct < 1253992802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying "wincrap" makes you sound like an imbecilic 10 year old. < 1253992811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: leksah is an advanced editor < 1253992818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, if you will, "non-visual studio IDE" < 1253992824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1253992835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens to have a keybinding meaning "send the current line to ghci, and give the response". < 1253992856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you were talking about evaluating GHCi expressions in it though < 1253992856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1253992861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, urxvt doesn't exist for windows. < 1253992864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only rxvt does, and only with cygwin. < 1253992869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, msys < 1253992875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :msys = fork of cygwin. < 1253992881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it uses rxvt, not urxvt. < 1253992883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true < 1253992889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :msys is an even shittier fork of cygwin than cygwin < 1253992894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and maybe I misremebered the u then < 1253992898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's both old, and you have to use a patched gcc 2 to compile apps for it < 1253992906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well you could compile urxvt for cygwin if you wanted to I bet < 1253992910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1253992913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rxvt-for-Windows is a port. < 1253992918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because rxvt requires X, you see < 1253992923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, cygwin has X < 1253992936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and if you recommend it you have clearly never used a windows environment and then tried it < 1253992948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I didn't say I recommended it < 1253992949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(being forced to use windows and installing cygwin as an escape hatch doesn't count.) < 1253992959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being due to not recommending windows to begin with < 1253992959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Sgeo, duh, just use ghci in either cmd.exe or urxvt < 1253992962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like you did < 1253992975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, since he said he was using windows anyway < 1253992976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1253992992 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on, I can't add fonts to cmd windows? < 1253993002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edit the registry, or stop being a fag and use Consolas. :P < 1253993031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or stop being a pipe and use linux? < 1253993034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1253993046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe cigar < 1253993050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... just ... the ... shut up. < 1253993058 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This package is only intended for licensed users of Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 or 2008." < 1253993065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just the shut up" <-- why just it? < 1253993068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what is? < 1253993074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just the shut up why just it? < 1253993075 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consolas Font Pack < 1253993077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can ignore punctuation too. < 1253993084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so fucking what. < 1253993091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get it with powerpoint too < 1253993093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1253993097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some free download anyway < 1253993117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird sure < 1253993177 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, I have to install cygwin to use Leksah? < 1253993199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: linux also works < 1253993215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, unbalanced tags < 1253993236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implicit start tags. just like the valid omitting of

< 1253993239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1253993247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not valid in my book < 1253993270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implicit start tags aren't, but end tags are. < 1253993289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is invalid omitting of end tag. Not invalid omitting of start tag < 1253993307 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.....Leksah just opened < 1253993310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, only in sgml < 1253993310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, well the w3c is widely respected and you're some malcontent on IRC, so I think I'll ignore your blathering and go with what the actual HTML standard says. < 1253993315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, in HTML too. < 1253993318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't sgml. < 1253993339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, i prefer xml over html < 1253993365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't give you the right to decide that i'm talking in xml, also fuck off, I don't give a shit, it's talking on IRC, not a vali-fucking-dator < 1253993366 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML is an extension of SGML, isn't it? < 1253993375 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, but not fully compatible < 1253993390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1253993394 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1253993442 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-92-96.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1253993504 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will just use GHCi < 1253993692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: and emacs + haskell-mode + haskell-indentation. nothing else can indent haskell with accuracy < 1253993711 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would require me to learn emacs :/ < 1253993744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-x C-s saves, C-x C-f opens a file, C-x C-c quits, M-x regex-replace or replace-regex, I forget, does what it says on the tin < 1253993971 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, I can't really try out these examples with GHCi < 1253993986 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@p5B132C0D.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1253993998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So put them in a file and run them. < 1253994006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God you're tirin. < 1253994007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tiring < 1253994013 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1253994142 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1253994351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you tried windows 7 right? < 1253994381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1253994381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1253994383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a question about it: is it ready to use once you logged in, or does it take minutes after like vista does? < 1253994404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immediately, although I fully expect Vista is the same. windows systems decay, presumably because the software tends to fuck things up. < 1253994427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of the box, windows isn't bad... it's just that almost all commercial software fucks it up, and it's hard to totally uninstall anything < 1253994447 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1253994458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, given that vista was newly installed on my thinkpad when I got it and it then took half a minute from desktop showed up until it was ready to use < 1253994472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah, that vista wasn't stock. < 1253994479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1253994488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lenovo had their way with it, for one adding ThinkVantage - you have a button for it on your keyboard - and god knows what else they decided to give you < 1253994507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 is a lot more lightweight than vista, though < 1253994518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux take maybe 1 or 2 seconds after desktop show up until it is ready to use. so maybe 5 seconds after pressing enter after entering password? something like that < 1253994522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a semi-recent graphics card (= enough to run Aero) it's very snappy < 1253994531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snappier than XP, I'd say < 1253994534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for most things < 1253994554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 being snappier or vista being snappier? < 1253994557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1253994569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1253994691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll probably dual-boot ubuntu and 7 on my notebook < 1253994704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm not sure what disk space to give 7 with the probable anemic disk space of 160GB < 1253994798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah so drop windows? < 1253994816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't feel like battling with WINE. < 1253994827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, virtualbox? < 1253994838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, what did you just say? slowbox? < 1253994852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not really with hardware support for it < 1253994860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're running a word processor. < 1253994870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite acceptable, of course not like 100% native speed, good enough for most non-3D apps < 1253994879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it does have 3D support < 1253994882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-3d apps for windows are basically useless unless you're doing CAD or something. < 1253994885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux has it all. < 1253994895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well cad is 3d < 1253994899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not realtime 3d < 1253994924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : linux has it all. <-- yeah, thus no need for windows ;P < 1253994932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"non-3d apps" < 1253994948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, seems like the cheapest price for a new 160 GB X25-M is 290 pounds < 1253994960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's heavy < 1253994963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$462 sure is a sweeter price than the >$700 they cost over here (and over there) last generation. < 1253994970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah, I can ignore words like "price" too. < 1253994974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this kb has no pound key in linux < 1253994982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it was too tempting to avoid < 1253994993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£ < 1253994994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1253994999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is altgr-3 < 1253995007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth a try < 1253995033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, did that work? < 1253995080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well? < 1253995094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know of that < 1253995095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work here < 1253995105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's what I'd like to use < 1253995149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, try Swedish kb layout, it works then < 1253995155 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how much does it weigh when it's full? < 1253995180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, almost another 290 pound I guess < 1253995188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: well let's see < 1253995202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking for the figure for one gb < 1253995226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, how does harddrives and SSD compare in weight? < 1253995238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: SSDs are much lighter < 1253995242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1253995246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :81g for some samsung 256G(i)B SSD < 1253995267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: < 1253995269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Every Gigabyte counts as 5oz of extra weight for your computer.There has been cases (in computers with 1Tb of Hard drive and more) of people left eMule activated 3 days and when that people returned to the computer,there was a hole in the floor instead" < 1253995288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about 22.67kg < 1253995298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: it gets lighter the more you store < 1253995304 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1253995343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: did you see that really high-resolution thinkpad screen i mentioned? < 1253995348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no < 1253995358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't generally logread < 1253995364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:08:26 ok, the highest PPI display I know of that isn't the ibm thingy: the 2048x1356 15" for thinkpads < 1253995364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:08:32 163.75 PPI < 1253995364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:08:39 *squints* < 1253995397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the highest one then < 1253995399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can put them in T60s (with some hacking) and two R models of a similar time, iirc < 1253995403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the ibm twhatevers < 1253995406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 200something ones < 1253995407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1253995408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really thick < 1253995411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1253995418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these are notebook-sized < 1253995418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :desktop displays? < 1253995437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.tigerdirect.com/itemDetails/t221-med.jpg < 1253995438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you remember < 1253995439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the t221 < 1253995446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1253995449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1253995450 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1253995451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said you wanted one < 1253995454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple times < 1253995454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1253995459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that one < 1253995460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1253995473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it was a NEC that I wanted < 1253995480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't high-ppi < 1253995485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, 2048x1356 is the kind of stuff you see in 30" displays and there's basically nothing more < 1253995495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so packing it into a semi-light, thin 15" is just awesome < 1253995501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway, good colours is better than high dpi < 1253995524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about colours if you can fit 10 windows on the screen < 1253995534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd take a monochrome with a huge ppi < 1253995546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: better type < 1253995578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, colours > fonts < 1253995587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're a photographer. < 1253995592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct. < 1253995609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but typographers have a science behind it and photographers just throw shit together, so eat a dick, colours < 1253995626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, photos also have a science behind < 1253995645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of studies on that sort of stuff < 1253995652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as on typography < 1253995652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing like typographer. < 1253995654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*typography < 1253995664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, about the same I would say < 1253995672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1253995677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because judging a photo is still ultimately just subjective bullshit < 1253995684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so with type < 1253995883 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1253995891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :epiphany webkit is so unstable :( < 1253996294 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod -R 5777 / < 1253996307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wat. < 1253996311 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod -R 5777 / < 1253996314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1253996339 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod -R 5777 / < 1253996349 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When Windows opens GHCi when I double-click a .hs file, can I force the resulting window to use an icon? < 1253996369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo really cares abut his specific terminals having an icon. < 1253996444 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@83.194.169.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1253996486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wat. < 1253996528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Submitted 6 minutes ago, 2022 upvotes, 2 downvotes" --reddit < 1253996546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now: Submitted 10 minutes ago, 2078 upvotes, 13 downvotes) < 1253996668 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1253997359 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1253998246 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1253998468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : chmod -R 5777 / <-- 5777? < 1253998480 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setuid < 1253998485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1253998487 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And sticky, for some reason) < 1253998502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, reason for this complete messup of system? < 1253998518 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like f***ing things up? < 1253998564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ok. Easy to fix in freebsd, running mtree as root < 1253998574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't fix it for non-base system though < 1253998638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Glass TC or not? < 1253998672 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a brainfuck interp, and I think it's unlimited-tape. < 1253998677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1253998685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do flow control in it? < 1253998743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the loop should be possible to use for it < 1253998744 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a while loop. < 1253998747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1253998824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you could recurse. < 1253998843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is chmod -R 5777 / setgid too? < 1253998892 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1253998900 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be 7777 < 1253998911 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or 6777, if you don't care about sticky) < 1253998927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7777: the permissions of the kings. < 1253998994 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1253999032 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-Mas permissions, or lamp test permissions... < 1253999038 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :77777; it has all the permissions, but it's also simultaneously a FIFO, a character device and a directory. < 1253999047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, :D < 1253999057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, lamp test? < 1253999059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invalid mode :( < 1253999062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAMP, presumably. < 1253999084 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 'lamp test segment'. < 1253999096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, I still don't get it < 1253999108 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A Christmas tree packet is a packet with every single option set for whatever protocol is in use. Also known as a "Kamikaze" packet, nastygram, and lamp test segment." < 1253999128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah, I didn't know that synonym < 1253999136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I know what a xmas packet < 1253999137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1253999140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is cooler: JFS or XFS? < 1253999145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, xfs < 1253999146 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFS. < 1253999152 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QFS < 1253999152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of you: justify. < 1253999155 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zfs < 1253999160 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GFS < 1253999164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all three of you: justify. Gregor: butterflies. < 1253999173 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ButterfliesFS < 1253999174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also tornados. < 1253999175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of them. < 1253999179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butterfly-tornado-fs < 1253999213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, jfs is known to cause issues (corruption) with vmware for example, and other apps. Also the defrag tool for jfs is not available for linux. While the online defrag tool for xfs is < 1253999232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use vmware, and I don't need to defrag an SSD. < 1253999235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and xfs supports lot of cool features that jfs doesn't < 1253999242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multipath stuff and what not < 1253999243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like? < 1253999246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's multipath? < 1253999296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well not something you will use. It's for redundant setups... Like multiple ways to reach the same hardware. IIRC xfs has some file system driver level support for it < 1253999302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make the best possible use of it < 1253999310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, doesn't really bother me. < 1253999321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not sure about online resizing with jfs, xfs supports it though < 1253999328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, what about btrfs? I gather itm ostly has a cool internal structure like ext4 and no actual real-world fun features. < 1253999331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in my experience xfs is really good < 1253999333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it's also unstable, presumably.) < 1253999341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is harddrive experience < 1253999344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know about SSD < 1253999369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway xfs has lots of real-world fun features < 1253999376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since Ilari isn't about to justify... < 1253999378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems < 1253999381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The performance difference for XFS vs JFS vs ext3 probably won't be very large. < 1253999394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I would go ext4, not ext3 < 1253999397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not ext4; if I'm going fun, I'll go *fun*. < 1253999410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ext3 is what Ubuntu does by default when you use one of the predefined install options, I think. < 1253999412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "*fun*"? < 1253999414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's ext4 I'll use that instead. < 1253999415 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ReiserFS4 8-D < 1253999421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, just no < 1253999421 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was picking from XFS and JFS. And since I have seen what XFS does in just regular system lockup... < 1253999425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: just don't name any files nina! < 1253999430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HYUK HYUK < 1253999432 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The FS won't kill ya :P < 1253999451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It actually phones home. Nina was using a pre-alpha version, we were going to be next... < 1253999458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^ Could make a really, really bad movie) < 1253999472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you forgot a "really" there < 1253999502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be WORSE than plan9 from outer space < 1253999523 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still better than Gayniggers from Outer Space < 1253999528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan 9 is a good movie, from what I hear; bad, but that gives it art. < 1253999533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm far more interested in things that are simply bad. < 1253999548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan 9's redeeming quality is its hysterical badness; but a movie on the outskirts of badness is just really, really bad. < 1253999550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is far more fun. < 1253999575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you laugh because a part's really bad, it's probably not just bad. :P < 1253999594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you are saying plan9 is so bad it is good? < 1253999595 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another topic... do you know if is a way to recover from the root device on linux disappearing and reappearing. < 1253999600 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have a USB HD) < 1253999612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, rebooting? < 1253999622 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking something that left everything intact < 1253999631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, using a tmpfs as root to begin with < 1253999638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Plan 9 is probably so bad it's good, yes. < 1253999640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never seen it myself. < 1253999652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I seen short sections from it < 1253999662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, a few seconds long < 1253999669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite horribly bad < 1253999672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, does anybody know if Ubuntu optimises hibernation? Because on this desktop, it takes like 30 seconds to hibernate and resuming is really slow too. < 1253999675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and horribly bad plot on wikipedia < 1253999679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does LinuxOnIce have an Ubuntu package or something? < 1253999704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, takes like 10 seconds to suspend to disk and 5 seconds to resume for me on my laptop < 1253999710 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is the tmpfs thing something you know will work or just an idea? < 1253999710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care about resume time (RAM-based suspension ftw) but I want to hybrid-sleep so I can not worry about losing my data, and that should only take one or two seconds. < 1253999710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suspend to ram is of course a LOT faster < 1253999731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X can hybrid-sleep in about three seconds on this non-SSD computer, so... < 1253999733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, well it will obviously not depend on the root device then < 1253999739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, so thus it should work < 1253999755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, of course you need quite a bit of ram for it < 1253999759 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1253999777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't really care about resume time (RAM-based suspension ftw) but I want to hybrid-sleep so I can not worry about losing my data, and that should only take one or two seconds. <-- don't think linux does that < 1253999777 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally I want something like there is for nfs... < 1253999786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, oh? < 1253999797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, just use an internal disk < 1253999800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple solution < 1253999804 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you lose network, everything that tries to use it just hang until the network scomes back, then continues as normal < 1253999817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, that depends on options < 1253999820 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: my internal disk makes funny noises and doesn't mount < 1253999833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, um. time to get a replacement < 1253999833 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I will get it fixed soon) < 1253999849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fix" is out of question < 1253999851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just replace it < 1253999858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: does what? < 1253999859 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I meant# < 1253999863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course there's hybrid-suspend. < 1253999867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what does what? < 1253999871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't really care about resume time (RAM-based suspension ftw) but I want to hybrid-sleep so I can not worry about losing my data, and that should only take one or two seconds. <-- don't think linux does that < 1253999890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yes, but afaik that isn't what suspend does on linux < 1253999900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not in ubuntu < 1253999907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care what the menu items do. < 1253999914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1253999948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean, hm < 1253999990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean "what do you mean, hm" < 1254000032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: pm-suspend-hybrid < 1254000038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course linux does it < 1254000076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1254000101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, apparently that's not the same as os x's behaviour < 1254000104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is linux so retarded < 1254000139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is os x behaviour and what is linux behaviour? < 1254000169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os x's is "do the same writing out that hibernation does, then RAM-suspend; if we reboot before resuming, it wakes from hibernation" < 1254000181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since OS X's hibernation is so fast, this allows quick resume times while being safe < 1254000204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux's is, I don't know, but from what I gather it does something similar, except it wakes from hibernation when you turn it on < 1254000209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only thing you skip is the BIOS and GRUb < 1254000210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GRUB < 1254000220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :== most retardedly pointless thing ever dreamt of in the history of the universe < 1254000326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1254000346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as far as I can tell from the documentation < 1254000353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what's up with that; but with "s2both" (which does the "write hibernation stuff to disk and go to s3 sleep or whatever) the waking-up is just a second or two. < 1254000367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :importantly, fast suspend and fast resume are super-important on notebooks, and yet I won't carry a batteried notebook around knowing my data is stored so fragile in RAM < 1254000372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but writing to disk still takes quite a bit of time < 1254000377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need what I said: fast hibernation that then suspends to RAM and resumes from RAM < 1254000408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: surely doesn't have to be the case; OS X does it in one or two seconds with 2.5GiB of RAM of which I've used almost all and a notebook HD < 1254000433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe depends on speed of disk < 1254000468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either 5400rpm or 7200rpm, don't know. My notebook will be maxing out the 1.5Gb/s (gigabit) original-SATA bus with my SSD. < 1254000471 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the hybrid-hibernation I've been using certainly resumes from RAM. But the write-to-disk stage is not really very fast on Linux; I'm not sure how it compares to OS X, since I haven't ever gotten the iBook to do anything else than suspend-to-RAM. < 1254000496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the motherboard's my biggest enemy in that machine... only original SATA, limited to 3GiB of RAM (with BIOS hacks, you can get something like 3.7GiB)) < 1254000544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not a full 4? < 1254000565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nobody had more than 2GiB those days, so they just reserved a whole GiB for graphics card memory + internal system stuff + blah blah < 1254000585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice they use something like .3-.5GiB, but if you plug in too many components like ExpressCard you may run out, I gues < 1254000587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*guess < 1254000615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if I use all 3.7GiB (all of it, all allocated and not in swap or anything) then the absolute theoretical minimum time it can suspend to disk is 19.73 seconds < 1254000617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :limited by the SATA bus < 1254000622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why not more than 4 GB? < 1254000628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming memory latency is 0 < 1254000638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 32-bit address space, I think < 1254000639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the mobo < 1254000642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the cpu can be 64-bit < 1254000645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254000654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :48 bit you mean < 1254000663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, whatever < 1254000671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is the physical adress space of current x86_64 cpus= < 1254000675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/)/ < 1254000684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cpu itself is 64-bit < 1254000687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see e.g. registers < 1254000693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1254000705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, you can plug in 8GiB or whatever (well, maybe; it might not accept that) but it still just reserves the top GiB of the address space < 1254000715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, I'll probably use the BIOS hack to up this to ~3.7GiB < 1254000722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually my intel core 2 duo is 36 bit physical but 48 bits virtual < 1254000729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even work on theories to get more out of it < 1254000748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the architecture can go up to 64 bits in theory yes < 1254000774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, I can only use 4GiB if I use the T61 or later, and the only 4:3 screen they had was a not-very-popular 14" with a quite low resolution < 1254000780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and non-IPS < 1254000785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, didn't you claim non-widescreen was dead when you talked to me about me buying a notebook < 1254000786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll have to dela < 1254000788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*deal < 1254000807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it is, nothing is sold any more in 4:3 < 1254000813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, based on my love for widescreen desktops, I assumed this was a good thing < 1254000823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you were wrong < 1254000827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual < 1254000846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the group of jerks called, they want their jerk back. < 1254000866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice reply < 1254000907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw my desktop claims: < 1254000910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :address sizes : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual < 1254000941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my old sempron has larger physical address space than my core 2 duo < 1254000943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by far < 1254000949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good that the T60 was wildly popular, so me and my T60p should have a lot of fellow users to get by in this modern world... < 1254000977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, core 2 duo, SSD, almost 4GiB of RAM, 1600x1200, it isn't such a horrific world :P < 1254000981 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're feeling restricted by the 64 gigabyte physical address space of the core 2? < 1254000996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, alternatively get a very high res widescreen notebook? < 1254001010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus giving you the possibility of having multiple windows side by side < 1254001011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still < 1254001019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or larger screen < 1254001029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes it seems so < 1254001043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is a mobile core 2 duo, not sure if that matters < 1254001061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly you need a server cpu to go higher < 1254001068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xeon or such < 1254001070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spelling?) < 1254001134 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly; the Core 2 Quad Q9400 says "36 bits physical" in /proc/cpuinfo, at least. < 1254001146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254001147 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about the i7 hardware. < 1254001195 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254001195 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254001196 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254001198 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254001200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254001200 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254001203 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254001245 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's a bit strange. < 1254001248 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"address sizes : 32 bits physical, 48 bits virtual" < 1254001282 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254001282 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.73.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254001282 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254001282 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254001282 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r02jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1254001282 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1254001282 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-069-215.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1254001314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's on the "model name: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU 230 @ 1.60GHz" box. I guess it makes sort-of sense there. < 1254001338 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I found a Xeon. < 1254001355 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Xeon E5430, to be specific: address sizes : 38 bits physical, 48 bits virtual < 1254001359 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's two more bits. < 1254001461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still two less than my old sempron from late 2005 < 1254001468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe early 2006 < 1254001530 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD seems to do that 40 bits across the models; it's 40 on your sempron, 40 on my Athlon X2, and 40 on our Opteron 248 and Opteron 2220 SE cluster nodes. < 1254001707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1254001729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sure have access to a lot of computers < 1254001751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the 48 bit virtual about? < 1254001781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1254001785 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's about the 48-bit virtual address size limit we've talked about and all. < 1254001785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is where it can map it < 1254001788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in virtual yeah < 1254001801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 36 or whatever is how much physical it can adress < 1254001832 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might even map directly to the number of address pins. < 1254001873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might yes < 1254002114 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it seems to read from the CPUID results (how surprising) when those are available. Though there are quite a lot of constant phys_bits settings too; like phys_bits = 36 when X86_FEATURE_PAE exists. < 1254002418 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some comp.os.vms posting where some guy says desktop Nehalem variants (incl. i7) have 36 physical bits, Xeon 5500 (which I guess is the Nehalem server-side) series have the same 40 bits AMD does, the upcoming Nehalem-EX eight-core server chips should do 44 bits, and Itanium in general has 50 physical bits. < 1254002459 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsourced statements, of course. < 1254002487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Itanium: for when you have 1TB. < 1254002488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*TiB < 1254002503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1254002504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024TiB. < 1254002513 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, a petabyte. < 1254002522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pebibytes, you mean. < 1254002524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Pebibyte < 1254002535 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so, though it sounds a bit silly. < 1254002545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the bi expansions are < 1254002547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're cute! < 1254002560 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as silly as the next one: exbibyte. < 1254002561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what an exabyte is < 1254002563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, exbi < 1254002565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha snap < 1254002568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exbibyte! < 1254002574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a yobibyte. < 1254002580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yobibyte is my new favourite thing ever. < 1254002582 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zebibyte in-between. < 1254002616 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should really get cracking with hardware design so that we'd get to actually use those names. < 1254002669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the imaginary-but-easily-derivable binarified SI prefixes? < 1254002692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debibyte. Cebibyte. Milbibte. < 1254002694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Milbibyte < 1254002709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fembibyte. Atbibyte. Zepbibyte. < 1254002745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, pibibyte. < 1254002746 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nanbibyte... or would that just be the more easily pronounceable nambibyte? < 1254002746 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recommends that any of you not reading the latest MS Paint Adventure (Homestuck) should be < 1254002750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: All of these are sub-bits. :P) < 1254002792 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debibyte sounds very Debianish. Though it is a bit unclear whether that's a binary decibyte or a binary decabyte. < 1254002814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hebibyte is 2**7 bytes. < 1254002826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Decbibyte, then. < 1254002834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*2^7 < 1254002860 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a decbibyte 2^3 then? < 1254002864 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sebibyte"? < 1254002874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: from? < 1254002874 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has some kind of cold < 1254002879 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*semi < 1254002887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1254002905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Decabibyte and decibibyte, I guess. :P < 1254002913 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :semi + byte = sebibyte < 1254002924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But semi isn't an SI prefix. < 1254002926 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a binry semi, not a SI one ;-) ) < 1254002957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The obsolete prefixes such as myrio- and myria- (denoting a factor of 10,000) were dropped before SI was adopted in 1960, probably because they did not fit this pattern, no one-letter symbol was available (M, m, and µ already being used; the two-letter symbols mo and ma were used instead) and were rarely used anyway. < 1254002970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mybibyte. (Bonus: Sounds like mebibyte.) < 1254002992 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like the rounding involved in 2^3 and 2^7, but I guess you don't very often happen to have 2^(10/3) or 2^(20/3) bytes. < 1254003003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either 16384 or 8192 bytes, I guess. < 1254003062 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a decabibyte is 2^3 = 8 bytes, that's a reasonably useful size. You don't have to say "this structure contains three qword-wide fields" when you can opt for "this structure contains three decabibyte-sized fields". < 1254003071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1254003107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The z and y on the extreme prefixes zepto-, yocto- and Zetta-, Yotta- suggest the start of a series backwards through the alphabet. Following the initial letters are distorted Greek numerals (h)epta- and octa-. This pattern has been extended further, with the terms xenno-, weko-, vendeko-, udeko- and xenna-, weka-, vendeka-, udeka-, from Greek ennea-, deka-, endeka-, dodeka-; sometimes a t is added for greater differentiation, though both xento-, wekto- et < 1254003107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c. and xenta-, wekta- etc. have been proposed.[7] < 1254003118 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The chip is controlled by the memory-mapped decabibyte register at address ..." < 1254003129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vendekobibyte. < 1254003149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vendeko is 10^-33; someone else work out the power of 2. < 1254003168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More usefully, 10^33 is vendeka. < 1254003169 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^-110? < 1254003171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Vendekabibyte. < 1254003178 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^110 < 1254003183 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about < 1254003191 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the approximation gets a bit shit by that point < 1254003199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,073,741,824 yottabytes. < 1254003219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Yes; it's 2.98074215 * 10^32 off. < 1254003223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR THEREABOUTS < 1254003243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that's so sci-fi. < 1254003275 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wait a second, just let me insert my holographic three vendekabibyte memory cube." < 1254003295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Mother was an impressive system, fitted with the latest giga-core processors -- 10,000 of them. Among its specifications included a vendekabibyte of memory, 1 million vendakabibytes of storage and a webcam and microphone in every home..." < 1254003295 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I have seen a 4TB thumb drive < 1254003303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: presumably not USB < 1254003310 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in fiction though: http://dresdencodak.com/2007/06/12/the-witching-hour/ < 1254003321 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your search - vendekabibyte - did not match any documents." < 1254003324 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*she stored brain scans on it) < 1254003328 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ( < 1254003343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, well, the vendeka is an unofficial unit that I've just got from one page and I just made up the binary mangling of it. :P < 1254003349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: surely the brain stores over 4TiB < 1254003353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let alone 4TB :P < 1254003383 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "have been proposed" made it sound so serious. < 1254003429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from "The Physics Hypertextbook", don't you know. < 1254003435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Then a yobibyte. <-- read that as yoshibyte first time around < 1254003452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a-me, the mariobyte thumb drive! < 1254003453 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A yoshibyte is green and it's got a long tongue. < 1254003468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it bytes. < 1254003471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crickets* < 1254003529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1254003531 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does Yoshi eat so much stuff? < 1254003545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, cartoon physics < 1254003548 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he's bigger on the inside < 1254003566 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to recall any other character that is bigger on th einside < 1254003568 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*inside < 1254003574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoshitardis < 1254003576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fan fiction < 1254003576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make < 1254003577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1254003577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go < 1254003606 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and before you say it, Nibbleronians use compression not spacial distortion < 1254003617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think < 1254003618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone < 1254003619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was going to say that < 1254003620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : So Vendekabibyte. <-- read that as vendettabibyte < 1254003630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may call me Vbyte? < 1254003635 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeah, 'cause I told them not to < 1254003764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, time to invoke rule #34 on yoshi? < 1254003778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(eww) < 1254003812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I estimate the probability of the result of that rule 34 already existing in this spatial dimension and being distributed on the internet as about 99.72%. < 1254003825 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254003830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fuck you, Google images. < 1254003841 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"VndiB for Vendettabibyte". < 1254003861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd watch that. < 1254003867 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION [redacted] being bigger on the inside [redacted] though that doesn't really count as 34 because it never left my head < 1254003881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: WHY DIDN'T YOU REDACT THAT WHOLE SENTENCE. < 1254003884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1254003890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, fuck you, Google images. <-- there is yoshi porn? < 1254003899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, and I'm not surprised at all. < 1254003909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, eww < 1254003918 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he's using new erotiGoogle < 1254003926 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to litterally fuck it to get search results < 1254003935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yoshi porn" on Google Images without safe search: one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, weight. < 1254003942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eight < 1254003945 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"weight"?! < 1254003947 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254003954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First page, that is. < 1254003975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how many pics are there in total? < 1254003982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, one of them is hermaphroditic, so this is possibly the most stereotypical google images search result ever. < 1254003986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 18. < 1254003991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254003998 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254004005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 images contained Yoshi. < 1254004007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick, change topic < 1254004016 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o my < 1254004020 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicorn sex < 1254004020 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1254004024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1254004031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 57.14% of the search results concerning Yoshi were porn. < 1254004035 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where cn i get somma that < 1254004040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: in #1,000! < 1254004042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my. < 1254004044 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1254004052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah what ehird said < 1254004222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1254004225 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to get food to help reducse his running nose. < 1254004225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 12-cell thinkpad battery here < 1254004229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.9kg < 1254004238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, give or take 0.0718474 and a bit. < 1254004248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how much does your 6-cell weigh, I wonder? < 1254004254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have the patience to take it out and check < 1254004255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't check easily atm < 1254004260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is charging < 1254004268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite the imposing thing: http://www.laptoppartsexpert.com/i-59115-battery-12-cell-li-ion.html < 1254004270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a few hours until it chargesd < 1254004274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look like it has a rounded end, though < 1254004275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't want to abort it right now < 1254004283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it looks to have the same footprint as a 6-cell < 1254004285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe poking out a little < 1254004313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that + UltraBay battery must surely pump some battery life < 1254004351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks to be only for the G40/G41, that, but I'm sure they all work with other models too < 1254004375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't work with mine iirc. mine says 12 V I think < 1254004393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again I can't easily check since the text is on the side hidden from view when it is charging < 1254004400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G40/G41 being Celeron/Pentium 4 desktop replacement systems < 1254004428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the t60p appears to be 10.8V too < 1254004431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smartbright.co.uk/ibm-thinkpad-t60p-laptop-batteries-4400mah-p-229.html < 1254004517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that looks similar, but not identical, to mine < 1254004529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly different connector < 1254004534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 12-cell is probably third-party < 1254004610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this and the ultrabay battery = 1.14kg total battery solution < 1254004612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1254004632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure those can pump out 6 hours from a T60p < 1254004654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if new yeah, but they degrade over time < 1254004668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll replace them < 1254004702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is it a dual core cpu? < 1254004710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; Core 2 Duo. < 1254004714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First generation. < 1254004715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1254004722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freq? < 1254004729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.0 or 2.33GHz. < 1254004738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from 2006. < 1254004743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the wavelength? < 1254004752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 quarks and a tachyon. < 1254004770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But seriously, wut?) < 1254004770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1254004790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean? < 1254004794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, frequency and wavelength. didn't you take physics? < 1254004800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm aware what wavelength is. < 1254004811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just checking whether it was something actually meaningful in the context of CPUs that I wasn't aware of. < 1254004822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not that I know of < 1254004832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will note that I responded to your nonsensical-in-context physics with the same. :P < 1254004843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah < 1254004887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like I need an Ultrabay Slim battery. < 1254004903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still incorrect... UNLESS you reverse polarity. However that would probably short the CPU so thus the real answer is of course 1 quark and 2 tachyons < 1254004907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which weighs 280g. < 1254004911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Up to 2 hours", apparently. < 1254004919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1254004920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"T60 series, use the Advanced Ultrabay Battery instead < 1254004920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1254004922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Which weighs 280g. <-- XD < 1254004926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\n"/"/ < 1254004935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The advanced ultrabay battery weighs 235g. < 1254004947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh g < 1254004949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not kg < 1254004950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254004960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Them ThinkPads sure are portable. < 1254004970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1254004987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"UltraslimBay"; distinct from the Ultrabay Slim. < 1254005001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used in ye olde Pentium 1 machines and such. < 1254005116 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultrabay Slim, a British DJ, big beat musician, record producer and pioneer of the electronic dance genre. Or was that Fatboy? < 1254005140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1254005147 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could make some sort of IBM-themed music piece under the "Ultrabay Slim" name. < 1254005191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally gangsta business machines. < 1254005253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1254005259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Used in ye olde Pentium 1 machines and such. <-- oh? < 1254005267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up to Pentium III, even. < 1254005280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that like ultrabay but way back? < 1254005314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just a slim version, obvious. < 1254005336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254005348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat? < 1254005391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw I have "Serial Ultrabay Enhanced" < 1254005404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Serial Ultrabay killer. < 1254005419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is Serial Ultrabay Slim too, but that is older < 1254005425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is the very last < 1254005545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw there is a compat matrix on http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Ultrabay < 1254005555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I saw that name from there. < 1254005575 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1254005763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like the T41 was the last IBM ThinkPad. < 1254005810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the T42 might be too < 1254005862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the T43 < 1254005866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the T60 was the first Lenovo. < 1254006273 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@host86-156-198-44.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254006698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no T5x? < 1254006734 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.104.250.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254006741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird, no T5x? < 1254006741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ehird_ (n=ehird@91.104.250.251) has joined #esoteric < 1254007004 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254007215 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254007480 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: T5x was skipped, yeah < 1254007483 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also no T3x < 1254007741 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254007742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254007901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange < 1254007939 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they skipped winamp 4 because nobody wanted to see a winamp 4 skin. < 1254007945 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the official explanation) < 1254007974 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254007988 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they called it Winamp 5 because it was made by combining Winamp 2 and Winamp 3. < 1254008003 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was another explanation. < 1254008021 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes, they are both "official" in the "is in their FAQ" sense. < 1254008051 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additionally "We think that a Fibonacci sequence for versioning might be pretty damn cool." < 1254008094 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254008128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use grahams number for it. So g_1, g_2 and so on < 1254008149 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rather infeasible < 1254008158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, well yes < 1254008188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember how large g_1 and g_2 are though < 1254008275 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g_1 is already 3^^^^3, where ^ is the up-arrow, so it sounds pretty big. < 1254008281 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: unimaginably < 1254008306 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the typical explanation of graham's number goes through so many mind-boggling steps that you cease to have any sort of recognition at all about what kind of number it is or even that it's a number; just meaningless symbols < 1254008309 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out that's just g_1. < 1254008335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1254008339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about g_0? < 1254008349 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :illdefined. < 1254008354 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-based indices. < 1254008355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1254008397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets define g_(-n) to be 1/(g_n) < 1254008449 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the TeX/metafont versioning, but using that would just be copying. < 1254008501 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use a random number (previous+1,inf]. < 1254008608 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-155-78-185.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254008872 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3^^^3 is already 7625597484987th of 3, 27, 7625597484987, ... 3^^^^3 is much bigger. < 1254008933 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the largest number the human mind can emotionally recognise is. < 1254008971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly over 9000 at least < 1254008991 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you at absolute zero? < 1254008998 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no can't be, you certainly aren't an ice burn < 1254009001 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never change, however < 1254009004 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always unfunny < 1254009010 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ MOST ELABORATE BURN EVER? < 1254009020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, I wonder if it may vary individually < 1254009023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit < 1254009036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean about how larger number you can emotionally understand < 1254009046 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt it < 1254009050 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the monkeysphere is constant, for instance < 1254009075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1254009088 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number) < 1254009100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about "how many people you can consider human" right? < 1254009105 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1254009111 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably about 150 for humans < 1254009128 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which rather depressingly debunks the idea that direct democracy can work humanely for >150 people) < 1254009185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure who said "Democracy is the worst form of government, apart from all the other ones". < 1254009191 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :churchill. < 1254009198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1254009212 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was both witty and a crazy warmonger < 1254009221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds familiar < 1254009223 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the former tends to obscure the latter. < 1254009232 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hey, i'm a pacifist :P < 1254009244 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if you ask the british yooth, churchill is that dog in the insurance adverts. oh yes. < 1254009244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is some truth in that quote though. Sadly < 1254009276 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB8r6JefDhI) < 1254009309 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there was an actual survey done.) < 1254009342 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254009345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, hm "not available in my region" < 1254009394 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a different one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESOGyiZbUrc < 1254009421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok works < 1254009475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, ok that's silly < 1254009488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most ads are though < 1254009503 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you possibly expect our yooth to know the name of the prime minister that won wwii < 1254009507 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me < 1254009521 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wwii, is that some sort of new variant of the Nintendo Wii?" < 1254009576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D