< 1254182463 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants a KPart plugin < 1254184970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be sweet if xjump had online multiplayer. < 1254184975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could knock each other waway < 1254184976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*away < 1254185895 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254185898 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254186339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jwz.livejournal.com/1096401.html?thread=20365265#t20365265 jwz: OOH, DRAMA < 1254187078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to take this opportunity to note that US politics is freaking insane. Like, really, "belongs in an asylum". < 1254187404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee I wasn't aware < 1254187580 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254187589 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254188028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Please do not thank me - I find it scary)" --the internets < 1254188894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:19:55 cool link: http://shinh.skr.jp/obf/ < 1254188902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, shinh has a real website < 1254189114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:28:44 also, when ehird gets online, I'll have to tell him that control-shift-alt-5 does regex replace in Emacs < 1254189129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stereotype, it hurts < 1254189249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:04:32 AnMaster: holding down /three/ modifier keys, then pressing a digit? < 1254189250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:04:38 ais523, yes and? < 1254189250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you < 1254189350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:22:47 which is why a source based distro is so much better, relinking is trivial, while on ubuntu it would be a more complex process. < 1254189362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source based distros are good because if the distro is horribly broken you can perform major surgery on it easier? < 1254189365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck, you convinced me < 1254189370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sign me up for the 5 hour compile times < 1254189439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:12:00 ais523, on support.microsoft.com you should ask about notepad vs. wordpad I guess < 1254189439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:12:30 AnMaster: just no, they're both awful < 1254189441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with notepad < 1254189474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:14:09 (Okay, so it's not completely dead: the USB hub still works. It's just that a two-port USB hub the shape of a 24" TFT is still not especially useful.) < 1254189474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool novelty item. < 1254189500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:17:00 fizzie, you get the basic idea anyway, refine it as required < 1254189510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also failing at the same time was (a) hookers, (b) blackjack. These items are required." < 1254189555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so i finish logreading. < 1254189941 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254190061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi augur < 1254190067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i won't have sex with you < 1254190069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye augur < 1254190077 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ehird < 1254190079 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww darn < 1254190080 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by ehird < 1254190088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't author that < 1254190096 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o ok < 1254190105 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are having sex with me < 1254190105 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1254190107 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1254190114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fine < 1254190117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you're so persuasive < 1254190278 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1254190291 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my latest torture < 1254190303 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this horrible adventure that is the Italian Dialectology DB < 1254190304 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1254190319 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the server will not report any fucking errors regardless of error reporting levels. < 1254190325 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and regardless of how egregious the errors truly are < 1254190439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Italian Dialectology DB Fuck Shit Damn Whore. < 1254193788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1254194191 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.67.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254195596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1254196400 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.67.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254197331 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I didn't author that < 1254197333 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254197407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"by ehird" < 1254197412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the ... < 1254197416 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :P < 1254197427 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read over the typo flawlessly :P < 1254197434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flawless... failure? < 1254197442 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes 8-D < 1254197454 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is that how we say "hello" now? < 1254197461 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1254197461 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I won't have sex with you. < 1254197464 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye ehird. < 1254197467 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi augur. < 1254197469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor < 1254197471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure? < 1254197478 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey gregor < 1254197479 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1254197482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry to see you leaving so soon, Gregor. was it something I said? < 1254197484 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You ruined the flow of my other "hi" :P < 1254197493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLAWLESS TRAINWRECK < 1254197498 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries again. < 1254197500 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi augur. < 1254197502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK < 1254197506 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under some set of conditions it's possible I'd have sex with you, but you don't get to know what those are. < 1254197506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1254197510 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye augur. < 1254197511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuddlepup < 1254197519 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1254197522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww how cute < 1254197524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fuddlepup" < 1254197530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't want a fuddlepup?! < 1254197576 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone made of ANTIMATTER, that's who. < 1254197596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuddlepuup ^_^ < 1254197599 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He would want an antifuddlepup < 1254197600 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antimatter is an AWESOME power < 1254197610 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I'd say it's better than Void < 1254197614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :antimatter doesn't matter bitch ass fuck attundal what < 1254197614 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi pikhq. < 1254197615 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I won't have sex with you. < 1254197615 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye pikhq. < 1254197623 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi coppro. < 1254197625 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I won't have sex with you.Bye coppro. < 1254197627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Interesega. < 1254197627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Gregor. < 1254197628 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, messed that one up :P < 1254197629 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like one day to see a super hero with the power to control the strong interaction < 1254197632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's legal to do that to walruses. < 1254197634 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now there's a powerful power < 1254197634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus christ, eww. < 1254197637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the fuck is wrong with you? < 1254197639 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you'd have sex with ehird but not me? :( < 1254197639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm outta here. < 1254197647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you're way too old. < 1254197647 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that I'm interested, but still) < 1254197655 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No, @ehird was "No I won't have sex with you" :P < 1254197662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : :pedobear: < 1254197667 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Shit. < 1254197678 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1254197682 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1254197685 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a purry kitty. < 1254197686 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I will make your atoms cease to be. *bam*" < 1254197686 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1254197691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll uh, change the laws of your bitching physics? < 1254197695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1254197696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure < 1254197697 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi oerjan. < 1254197699 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I won't have sex with you. < 1254197699 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye oerjan. < 1254197700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM NOT SURE < 1254197707 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, he could DISASSEMBLE the fuck out of you < 1254197713 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make you nuclear explode! < 1254197728 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Send parton jets in your fucking face < 1254197848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can he rip apart my fucking quarks < 1254197851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my < 1254197851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING < 1254197851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quarks < 1254197857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK. YOU. < 1254197862 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quarks used for fucking. < 1254197872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, those are my fucking fucking quarks < 1254197906 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your fucking fucking fucking quarks are for fucking the abstract idea of fucking? < 1254197921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1254197928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fucking fucking fucking fucking quarks are just shut the fuck up < 1254197952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric, the sex channel < 1254197971 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So speaking of deer, ... < 1254198020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :find the fun in sex and have a happy hour of brainfucking in the skies where the http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D dwell < 1254198023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric, find the fun in sex and have a happy hour of brainfucking in the skies where the http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D dwell < 1254198030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1254198137 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION distinctly thought #esoteric was usually prepended to the topic somehow anyway. he guesses it depends on client though. < 1254198191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a chanserv thingy < 1254198192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just meant "what" at my topi < 1254198192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1254198195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\nc/c/ < 1254198215 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric, find the fun in deer/sex and have a happy hour of brainfucking in the skies where the http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D dwell < 1254198269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric, find the fun in deer/sex and have a happy hour of brainfucking in the skies where the http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D dwell also sex buggery what's his name? i wonder what his name is because he always does that thing, that thing, you know < 1254202909 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1254203280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why we still have window titles < 1254203286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone actually look at the title inside the window? < 1254203297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the little window icon? should just put the menu there. < 1254203416 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254205152 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.67.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254205506 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1254205700 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. My biggest complaint about this computer is something that the reviewers liked < 1254205708 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1254205727 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the screen's viewing angles < 1254205737 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're too good? < 1254205747 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a sort of bright bar when you're viewing it straight-on, and you can't get it to be uniform < 1254205756 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's called shitty TN screens for you < 1254205762 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have got a T60 IPS screen, silly rabbit. < 1254205762 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TN? < 1254205771 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twisted neumatic. < 1254205784 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheap, ubiquitous, shitty colours, shitty viewing angles. < 1254205806 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPS: In-Plane Switching. Expensive, rare, excellent colours, excellent viewing angles, (caveat: not-so-good response times). < 1254205821 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Twisted nematic < 1254205829 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonono, the viewing angles are amazing < 1254205839 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially from the side < 1254205846 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you consider shit at every angle acceptable. < 1254205848 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for when you're straight-on < 1254205867 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, no loss of quality at 80 degrees horizontally either way < 1254205878 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPS looks near identical at all angles; you can go almost sideways and it looks exactly the same as straight-on. < 1254205886 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's how this looks sideways < 1254205890 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TN might seem similar at first glance but it's simply not. < 1254205893 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not nearly as much up/down < 1254205989 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no complaints except for this nasty bar < 1254206025 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot see any noticeable change at any sideways angle < 1254206032 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wait til you look at the same image on two screens and notice one looks crazy < 1254206043 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: I can recognize LCD distortion, thank you < 1254206055 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TN distortion != LCD distortion < 1254206059 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TN simply fails at colour reproduction < 1254206066 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing to do with the colour distortion on angles < 1254206081 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the subject here was angles < 1254206094 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant re "I have no complaints" < 1254206221 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, there's one other. It's hard to look at the screen in insufficient light, far more so than my previous one < 1254206388 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glances at kubuntu 9.10 alpha6 page for a few seconds. yep, kde still sucks < 1254206397 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1254206450 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should be happy - the thing causing me to glance is that ubuntu's stock gnome is so out of my way and usable that it seems boring... because i never think about it < 1254208301 0 :MigoMipo!i=54d90f12@gateway/web/freenode/x-pflhxreldhwemzcu JOIN :#esoteric < 1254210500 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/content/news/pepsi_to_cease_advertising < 1254210501 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn < 1254210506 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1254210515 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this was real i'd buy like 50 billion bottles of pepsi right now :P < 1254210671 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 million bottles of pepsi on the wall, 50 million bottles of pepsi? < 1254210680 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would take some time to finish those < 1254210743 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i drink a lot of pepsi. < 1254210974 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How very American of you. < 1254211047 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has an irritatingly addictive taste. < 1254211050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1254211057 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1254211082 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.67.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254211100 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spawn more ehirds < 1254211135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_ is a ghost xchat i believe. < 1254211137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it in the ASS. < 1254211199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1254211200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1254212119 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1254214528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I read over the typo flawlessly :P <-- "reado"? < 1254214579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, good term maybe? < 1254214657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. < 1254214664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1254215314 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1254215725 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254216085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1254216090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1254216607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it seems that Apple have been installing Apache on people's PCs without their permission < 1254216623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as part of some other software they were pushing out < 1254216660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, huh? < 1254216668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sort-of < 1254216674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an opt-out update with a confusing description < 1254216699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why on earth < 1254216706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1254216714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm, actually, I'm more interested in whether it had source code or not < 1254216717 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what licence is Apache under? < 1254216728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the apache license iirc < 1254216734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how copyleft is it? < 1254216738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, don't remember < 1254216755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it should be easy enough to look up < 1254216819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-copyleft, it seems < 1254216828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty like the BSD licence, just massively more complicated < 1254216866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OW! Windows 7's default desktop background is /hideous/ < 1254216886 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the one in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Windows_7.png ? < 1254216907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254216924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, pretty much, the one there has a different gamma than the one here < 1254216927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is eye-burningly bright < 1254216949 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just so powerful, you see. < 1254216976 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively they're hoping it'll leave a permanent after-image on your retina. That's called "marketing". < 1254217001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1254217003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now its busy advertising "libraries" to me < 1254217014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which AFAICT are folders full of symlinks with marketingspeak layered over them < 1254217051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, not quite < 1254217067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because deleting a file from a library also deletes the original < 1254217076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but deleting a directory inside a library doesn't delete the files inside it < 1254217091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254217111 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254217112 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, they closed his connection before he could bad-mouth W7 any more. < 1254217118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, pressed the wrong button < 1254217119 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not. < 1254217136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant to close the tab, I closed the window by mistake < 1254217148 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the "actually close the window, don't just minimise it" shortcut < 1254217182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it seems the operation of adding a file to a library therefore isn't easily reversible < 1254217202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... unless it always contains all files in a folder, which would make sense, so why didn't the help file /say/ that? < 1254217261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"At your taskbar, click on to the Windows Orb on the taskbar --" that somehow sounds really silly. < 1254217273 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Windows Orb, a mysterious relic from the First Age. < 1254217301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, some scary messages in the help file; it seems that the manufacturer of a USB drive has to do something special to get it to work with libraries in Windows 7 < 1254217312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the help file suggests we nag the manufacturer if it doesn't < 1254217328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if such changes would make the USB drive less compatible with other OSes < 1254217352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 148 (No route to host) < 1254217354 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 148 (No route to host) < 1254217357 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Use the Optimize this library for dropdown to select the correct type of optimization (General Items, Documents, Music, Pictures, Video, or Internet)". What does that do? < 1254217395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate to thin < 1254217397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*think < 1254217555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that Windows 7 taskbar thing is awful, it's basically like OS X's Dock except without the features that make the Dock actually useful < 1254217623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION boots into CentOS instead, now it's working < 1254217628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see how bad it is... < 1254217764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, this is weird, it's Gnome with a theme that makes it look vaguely like KDE < 1254218158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, screenshot! < 1254218173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: different computer < 1254218175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm trying < 1254218179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me get IRC working over there first < 1254218191 0 :ais523_!i=93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/x-itzathsboeakmiae JOIN :#esoteric < 1254218202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so you finally got the login to that computer and made X start? < 1254218214 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X wasn't the issue < 1254218217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1254218221 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X was running fine, it's the video card that was messed up < 1254218226 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't see either X or console < 1254218229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, broken hardware? < 1254218237 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incompatible hardware < 1254218244 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone replaced the DVI cable with a VGA cable, and it works now < 1254218249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254218719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the world ends: ais523 has actually been thinking about Feather | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1254218728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh! < 1254218763 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I know how to do it < 1254218785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :start with a minimal interpreter that's enough to 'be Feather' in that it can be retroactively self-modified < 1254218788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's all you need < 1254218902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that minimal one still sounds tricky < 1254218942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1254218943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it wouldn't need to be written in Feather < 1254218943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course < 1254218945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't an "of course" with Feather < 1254219014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it was "of course the outermost _interpreter_ can't be in Feather itself" < 1254219014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for compiler that works, if you start with hand compiling the first one) < 1254219014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while I thought it had to be a Feather/something else polyglot < 1254219032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it turns out that you can see the source code of an interp even if it isn't written in Feather < 1254219035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just get a self-reference < 1254219810 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, all that you need is an interp for a simple functional language < 1254219819 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need any more functionality than Unlambda has < 1254219831 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with two changes: first, you need to be able to retroactively replace the interp < 1254219844 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and second, it should be easy to write a polyglot in that lang and Feather < 1254219962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: I need to learn Scheme < 1254219980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, any functional language (i.e. lang with first-class functions) that has call/cc < 1254219998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Unlambda already, but I know enough Unlambda to know that that will be a bad idea < 1254220113 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: http://imgur.com/mTaiW.png < 1254220127 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the taskbar that makes me think it's acting like KDE < 1254220131 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very KDEish taksbar < 1254220134 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*taskbar < 1254220844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the people here seem to know what software should be on a computer science computer < 1254220852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has emacs, XEmacs, /and/ gvim < 1254220853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the menu < 1254220859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and presumably the command-line versions too) < 1254220891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoyingly, although Evince is installed, Adobe Reader's default for PDFs < 1254225314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The store I bought the broken monitor from replied, told me to contact the manufacturer directly. The manufacturer replied, said they've outsourced service calls to some company called "Infocare", gave me a phone number. Now I've been sitting in their telephone queue system for the last twenty minutes or so, listening to annoying muzak and a "all aur lines are still busy" announcement which repeats every 30 seconds. < 1254225585 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear some companies have built cussword recognition to their queue systems, to give preferential treatment to irate customers; maybe I should've tried that. (Too late now, they answered already; IRC complaining does the trick every time.) < 1254225646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have they sorted out your problem? < 1254225714 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they'll send someone from yet another company (a courier service sort of one) to pick up the broken monitor. They didn't really tell me what they're going to do with it, though. < 1254225728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully give you a replacement, or fix that one < 1254225824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, both sound just fine. Though I'm not looking forward to a replacement; it's bound to have some broken pixels, and that'll mean a horrible hassle, because the store I bought it from has a special "zero dead pixels" guarantee thing, which supposedly is for as long a time as the manufacturer's warranty, so I'd feel stupid to not take advantage of that. < 1254225897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would the replacement have broken pixels, if they had a no-broken-pixels guarantee/ < 1254225922 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not LG (the manufacturer) that has the guarantee, it's the retail store chain. < 1254225944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254226000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a very KDEish taksbar <-- indeed < 1254226079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1254235764 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1254235764 0 :clog!n=nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1254235769 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1254236495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254237021 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I am leaving. You are about to explode." < 1254237231 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254237358 0 :Cerise!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Jerry < 1254237481 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.67.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254237489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:30:07 hmm... it seems that Apple have been installing Apache on people's PCs without their permission < 1254237492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it comes on all Macs < 1254237494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly an oversight < 1254237495 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.67.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254237503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you ehird_ < 1254237524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:34:26 OW! Windows 7's default desktop background is /hideous/ < 1254237532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gamma must be _really_ bad... < 1254237539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:36:43 ok, now its busy advertising "libraries" to me < 1254237539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:36:54 which AFAICT are folders full of symlinks with marketingspeak layered over them < 1254237539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1254237545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a saved search, sort of < 1254237552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certain file types from certain directories, curated < 1254237596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:45:55 wow, that Windows 7 taskbar thing is awful, it's basically like OS X's Dock except without the features that make the Dock actually useful < 1254237603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you'd actually use OS X and win7 < 1254237608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd realise how utterly wrong you are < 1254237615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X's is worthless and slow < 1254237619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win 7's is well-organised and fast < 1254237785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:28:33 anyway: http://imgur.com/mTaiW.png < 1254237795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do people misguidedly hate the genius that is the two-panel system :( < 1254237943 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254237996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1254238006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i talked a lot to you just before you return, heh < 1254238006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1254238013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/09.09.29) < 1254238017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop went on standby < 1254238017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at bottom) < 1254238023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, clog came back? < 1254238023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do that. < 1254238027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it went? < 1254238028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1254238030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I miss < 1254238031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an office now < 1254238035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't wait to logread < 1254238037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fancy < 1254238039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm leaving my laptop in it when I go to meetings < 1254238047 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: fizzie recaptured it after it came back < 1254238057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat oerjan < 1254238061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, reca* something < 1254238072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recapitulated? < 1254238082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did anyone say anything when clog went < 1254238090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, three email accounts now < 1254238106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, enough that I'll need to pastebin it < 1254238108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a moment < 1254238119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, summary of the few-line logreading if your browser is now nc(1) or something: "you're wrong! no, wait, whoever that is is wrong. correction, you're wrong!" < 1254238120 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: obviously what i said was incomprehensible, since it answered your question :D < 1254238129 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you asked it < 1254238147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1254238158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1584352 < 1254238174 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie pasted before clog came back, duh < 1254238222 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, not only was it incomprehensible, it was also useless < 1254238261 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nailing two birds with one stone since 1970 < 1254238263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1254238500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I can probably get 24Mb internet! < 1254238519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news, this is caused by moving. you may psychoanalyze the cause/effect relationship there. < 1254238556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well lessee, you are still living with your parents right? < 1254238595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant how I put the internet as the main thing and the moving as a side-note < 1254238595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, err, being 14, yes < 1254238600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, technically false; parent < 1254238606 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it less likely that the move is the effect < 1254238608 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1254238621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless your parent is as big a geek as you are < 1254238632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite the opposite < 1254238688 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i should probably qualify this since it varies so much by country: 24Mb would be an upgrade for you, right? < 1254238737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently on 8Mb. you, being a fucking ... uh ... Noir? i cannot think of an analog to Swede... probably have 100Mb. < 1254238759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian, i know of no specific noun for it < 1254238797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I need something vaguely accusatory < 1254238802 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i have never checked my speed. hm, how do i do that... < 1254238858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask your isp. < 1254238873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed tests are far too realistic and unboring because of servers slower than you, beyond a certain speed :P < 1254238877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what isp oerjan? < 1254238878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the landlady got the broadband installed, despite being fairly (ok, totally) clueless in such matters < 1254238891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't know? < 1254238894 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1254238894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can check from your IP < 1254238901 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i know the name, NextGenTel < 1254238904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no < 1254238905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i can't :D < 1254238909 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :D < 1254238920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how much do you pay per month and does it include phone? < 1254238948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pay nothing, it's included in the rent. although she increased the rent about 300 kr at the time < 1254238992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use http://speedtest.net/ (click the server it highlights in yellow) and I'll try and correlate that with your ISP's website and the 300 kr figure < 1254238998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :science! < 1254239066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also pause any downloads before obvs < 1254239073 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.50 Mb/s download < 1254239081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tests the connection here at Birmingham University < 1254239094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.42 MB/s download, 5.03 MB/s upload, 17ms ping < 1254239097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a wireless connection, though < 1254239100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably 100Mb/s raw connection < 1254239108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even 1,000Mb/s, if they're fancy < 1254239135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, 10MiB? < 1254239138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or MB? < 1254239142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Mb? < 1254239156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1254239161 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.51 upload, 42 ms ping < 1254239161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already closed the website < 1254239170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: download is important < 1254239174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only erlevant one < 1254239175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*relevant < 1254239178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said that already < 1254239184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254239194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it say Mb with a lowercase b? < 1254239206 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254239211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mb/s < 1254239215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 576KiB < 1254239231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you prolly have a 6Mb connection or so < 1254239247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very good I'm afraid :P < 1254239271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have sideways 8 Mb, and I LIKE it! < 1254239273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1254239278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that'd be 0Mb < 1254239281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but infinite latency < 1254239487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hi < 1254239491 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster < 1254239502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah < 1254239508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about what you said about dmm) < 1254239596 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1254239630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there's a decent gnome usenet client, like a frontend to SABnzbd or something < 1254239668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would also be cool if it had an interface to one of the big search sites but, you know, asking for too much < 1254239692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lottanzb.org/ looks nice but depends on keeping the machine on instead of having a server download it < 1254240253 0 :Jerry!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Cerise < 1254240265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'm not Star Trek nerd enough to spot the reference in Darth & Droids today < 1254240279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that they are talking about in the annotation) < 1254240280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"She's dead, Jim" < 1254240285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right duh < 1254240413 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't consider himself a star trek nerd either, but he knows _that_ :D < 1254240553 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1254240570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: did you see my CentOS screenshot earlier < 1254240574 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't know that < 1254240584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: uh, read the logs :P < 1254240593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/09.09.29 press end < 1254240595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i replied to it < 1254240598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although rather boringly < 1254240602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did, I just have a bad memory < 1254240604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rereads < 1254240637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you replied to my Win7 discussion < 1254240639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not to the CentOS < 1254240643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're the two OSes on my office computer) < 1254240645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1254240659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:23:05 02:28:33 anyway: http://imgur.com/mTaiW.png < 1254240659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:23:15 why do people misguidedly hate the genius that is the two-panel system :( < 1254240672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254240679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got the reference wrong < 1254240691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, those icons scale horribly < 1254240708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I smiled a little at the old-school Clearlooks; I love that look) < 1254240712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones? < 1254240718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, and a Bluecurve terminal icon < 1254240724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: window decoration and gtk theme < 1254240734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearlooks looks different nowadays but has a classic style available < 1254240808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can't gnome do a two-line taskbar? everything else is insanity like that < 1254240828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that taskbar is one-line; I'm not sure whether it can do two-line or not, although that one isn't < 1254240836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I assume you're not allowed to muck with this computer, or you just have a weird adoration of bad operating systems :P < 1254240902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not allowed to muck with it, yes < 1254240917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, can't without doing things like opening it up and resetting the CMOS battery < 1254240921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other similarly dubious things < 1254240924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's meant to be pretty locked down < 1254240927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much of a computer, then < 1254240933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more a kiosk < 1254240936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mostly using my laptop as a result < 1254240947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :understandable < 1254241139 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feather... < 1254241158 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recognize it from somewhere, I guess it's been discussed here before < 1254241177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523's magnum opus. < 1254241184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if it's ever made. < 1254241234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: several languages, like Brainfuck, INTERCAL, and Malbolge, are much-reputed for driving people mad < 1254241238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feather is /actually/ driving me mad < 1254241243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, I have trouble thinking about it < 1254241248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hurts my brain < 1254241256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it's actually a valid concept, so to speak < 1254241285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can only think of one incomplete projection of it into concept-space at once, sort of like a Klein bottle in 3d space < 1254241285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since they're inconsistent, it just confuses you < 1254241288 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect to gain anything from this conversation, will I? < 1254241295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., it's impossible to express Feather < 1254241302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what, updated kernel on ubuntu but the same /lib/modules/foo directory for old and new? < 1254241305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty odd < 1254241320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: It's a programming language that you can modify (the interpreter) retroactively - so that it was *always* true, infinitely far back in time. < 1254241320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the update didn't break binary compatibility < 1254241330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because Linux isn't afraid to break binary kernel compatibility doesn't mean that every update necessarily does < 1254241335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including the interpreter used to interpret your modification, the one used to interpret that, etc. < 1254241341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explains why the module was loaded without being having to rebuild it against new kernel though < 1254241360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how do they make sure it doesn't... I mean it would need some pretty careful checking < 1254241369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1254241384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the API is defined, if the API didn't change (only the internals), you aren't breaking binary compat < 1254241426 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a side note, what's an approximation of the size of the channel logs? < 1254241430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err API != ABI < 1254241437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can break ABI without breaking API < 1254241438 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, another note* < 1254241439 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1254241441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I meant ABI < 1254241448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: something like 50MB < 1254241448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an ABI is a sort of ABI < 1254241450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MiB that is < 1254241452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, the A isn't correct either < 1254241455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more a KMBI < 1254241456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : but an ABI is a sort of ABI < 1254241460 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that big then < 1254241464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ABI is a sort of API < 1254241477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: 50MB is an awful lot of text, we're quite popular < 1254241489 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess it's a lot of text < 1254241491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be wrong; it's been a while since I've had the logs downloaded < 1254241493 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not a lot to download < 1254241496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is the ABI versioned or something? Or how do you check if it changed without reading every patch manually and checking carefully if those things are exposed to modules < 1254241498 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in < 1254241510 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're not talking about flooding the server with requests < 1254241518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each file is only about 100KiB. < 1254241520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, we are. < 1254241523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm pretty sure that the release managers did read every patch < 1254241527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 50 MB for how long? < 1254241538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they need to know what they changed < 1254241540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Dec 2002 - late 2008 iirc. < 1254241549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: One of these days I'll get around to writing my script that downloads all logs since the last run (or the full set if you've never run it) and then munges them all to use UTC time. < 1254241555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, for all we know it's just 2 patches to fix security problems, or something similarly important but simple < 1254241559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, only 50 MB? Huh < 1254241567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's *text*. < 1254241569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :##linux is like 50 MB per month < 1254241572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the irc log < 1254241575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: people nowadays underestimate how compact plain-text is < 1254241578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grew up with floppy disks < 1254241581 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1254241587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we assume an average english word length of 5 letters, < 1254241590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for which 50 MB is about 2 boxes of disks < 1254241598 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, will you reupload the transformed logs? :) < 1254241602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric has seen 10,485,760 words in its time < 1254241607 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254241611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you used to be able to fit lots of data on a disk < 1254241611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if ##linux is around 50 MB per month... (well, 48.2 for last month according to du) < 1254241618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give or take the timestamps and names < 1254241619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the like < 1254241622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after compression it ends up at 4.6 MB < 1254241622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's close enough < 1254241630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is lzma --best) < 1254241644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's *ten million* words. < 1254241652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how many words fit on an average book page? < 1254241654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess < 1254241670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how large book is your average one < 1254241679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: about 200 < 1254241680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pocket? half A4? < 1254241682 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :250 was standard IIRC < 1254241683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regular novel size. < 1254241690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have to guess, I actually counted for a school project once < 1254241693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: with 5-letter words, roughly? < 1254241694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ofc it depends on the book < 1254241699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as in hardcover discworld book size? < 1254241703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sure? < 1254241710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure about what < 1254241726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, "sure.?" < 1254241733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in I don't know, I don't own any < 1254241737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254241752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardcover discworld is larger than the standard novel, I'd guess about 300 for it < 1254241756 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I dunno, I just recall 250 being cited as average in novel pages back in the typewriter days < 1254241761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about English hard cover edition of last Harry Potter book < 1254241762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the #esoteric book (assuming 50MiB logs) would have something like 52,429 to 41,943 pages. < 1254241762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't own any either, but I've read them in the library < 1254241765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(200 and 250) < 1254241769 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And still being semi-standard for estimates < 1254241771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*41,943 to 52,429 < 1254241775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absorb that figure for a second. < 1254241779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say 50,000 < 1254241780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have talked a *fucking* lot. < 1254241789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 41 and 52? < 1254241791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say 45 < 1254241796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a good compromise < 1254241803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, either way, it's about 100 large books, or maybe one bookshelf in a library < 1254241811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1254241841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, we're prolific. < 1254241864 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254241880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : well, either way, it's about 100 large books, or maybe one bookshelf in a library <-- Seen that wikipedia book? < 1254241889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's not the whole thing < 1254241891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(might have been photoshoped, don't know) < 1254241891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a subset of Featured Articless. < 1254241893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Articles < 1254241898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, we'd be thicker. < 1254241901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much, much thicker. < 1254241921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it'd be short enough to fit in any room in a typical house. < 1254241928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Encyclopedia Britannica takes up about two shelves, by comparison < 1254241942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how long shelf? < 1254241949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: typical library shelf < 1254241955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, I'm going on a copy of it I saw in a library < 1254241962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I'm ignoring the fact that 90% of our ramblings are worthless shit and a selection of Wikipedia FAs and Britannica are both valuable resources. < 1254241965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as if I own it myself < 1254241977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, that would be some 20 meter long shelf if the local library is representative? < 1254241980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 74.9% of our lines are me. :P < 1254241987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, no < 1254241999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's somewhere between 1 and 2 metres at the one I think of < 1254242006 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just think about the meta-nature of reading in the log-book about estimating the size of the same < 1254242008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 20 metre long shelf would be rather painful to attach to a wall < 1254242021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: we'd better print it quick < 1254242038 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1254242072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect both ehird and AnMaster are too young to remember the days of floppy disks, where 1MB was a lot of storage < 1254242082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there are some shorter ones too, around 5-10 meters I think. those that are free standing in rows, rather than attached to any wall. Oh and down in the magazine they are around 7 meters I think... < 1254242088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ~1.3 MB iirc < 1254242096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so happy you can buy a TB for $80 nowadays < 1254242097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it was ages ago I used any < 1254242099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1.44MB < 1254242101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a floppy disk holds 1.44 MB under DOS or Windows < 1254242106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, after formatting and FS I meant < 1254242107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254242112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, duh < 1254242113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like 1.7 with certain Linux formats and FSes < 1254242118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's what my figure was < 1254242120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes a screenshot, just because he's itching to play with Dropbox < 1254242124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they found a more efficient way to write the data to disk < 1254242140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can get even more by forcing the drives to act in a way that the spec says they shouldn't < 1254242143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some drives break when you do that < 1254242145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2164436/2009-09/Screenshot.png < 1254242152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg screenshot < 1254242153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, back then I was using Mac OS. So that was 1.44 - HFS metadata and such ~= 1.34 iirc < 1254242161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's, uh, very screenshotty. < 1254242199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is the combined band aid + gnome foot icon? < 1254242211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's your Ubuntu system? < 1254242218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what's with the wooden-table wallpaper? < 1254242218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, that's the X-Chat X with the GNOME logo on top of it. < 1254242227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., X-Chat GNOME. < 1254242229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*XChat-GNOME < 1254242234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd enhance the effect by hiding the panels < 1254242242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's my iMac with Ubuntu 9.10 on it < 1254242242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I just like it < 1254242259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm any way to only get the "hide panel" button on one side of the panel? < 1254242267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not that I know of < 1254242268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION renames it to http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2164436/2009-09/dropbox-fun.png < 1254242271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid name clashses < 1254242272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clashes < 1254242272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, KDE3 can do it < 1254242274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a KDE sort of question < 1254242288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I meant I want that in gnome < 1254242294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what's with the Foonetic channels there, btw? < 1254242298 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was hoping for an actual picture of a bandaged gnome foot < 1254242304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2164436/2009-09/nautilus-dropbox.png ;; this is what my Dropbox looks like in Nautilus < 1254242330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's, uh, pretty normal apart from that synchronized tick < 1254242332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, because with synergy I easily end up misclicking the hide button that is on the side that is "attached" between the screens < 1254242338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was blue and two arrows chasing each other (not animated) a few seconds beforehand < 1254242347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that little box in the system tray is dropbox) < 1254242354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2164436/2009-09/nautilus-dropbox.png ;; this is what my Dropbox looks like in Nautilus <-- err same image as the first one? < 1254242360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no it's not < 1254242369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: my guess is there isn't an easily exposed setting to do that sort of thing in Gnome < 1254242375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2164436/2009-09/dropbox-fun.png < 1254242376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2164436/2009-09/nautilus-dropbox.png < 1254242377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare < 1254242377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's one at all < 1254242381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one shows dropbox in nautilus < 1254242386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :showing my previous screenshot < 1254242390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnome isn't very big on settings that not that many people need < 1254242401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1254242401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why hide a panel, anyway? < 1254242408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why is the first one 404 now? < 1254242408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of them are used commonly, at least for me < 1254242416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :famously it refuses even to allow customisation of screensavers, but apparently that's to do with the individual maintainer rather than Gnome itself < 1254242419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ehird renames it to http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2164436/2009-09/dropbox-fun.png < 1254242420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he renamed it < 1254242420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : to avoid name clashses < 1254242420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : *clashes < 1254242420 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He renamed it < 1254242421 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254242421 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said < 1254242421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why < 1254242423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a h < 1254242423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1254242424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah* < 1254242429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screenshot.png isn't a very good name < 1254242437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, < 1254242439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1254242440 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know it's a screenshot, at least < 1254242440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1254242455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is the green thing on the image for? < 1254242463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "This file is synchronized with Dropbox" < 1254242473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it wasn't, it'd be blue and have two arrows (non-animatedly) chasing each other < 1254242478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorta like the recycling icon) < 1254242487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the Dropbox daemon updates them, and it turns to a tick < 1254242491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, did you mention what dropbox was anywhere? < 1254242500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dropbox is a file synchronization over multiple computers thing < 1254242504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1254242506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a proprietary file-synch thing < 1254242507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just like a regular directory, that it automatically syncs < 1254242512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: only the daemon is proprietary < 1254242517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nautilus extension and system tray are open source < 1254242521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok < 1254242524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: besides, Ubuntu One is proprietary and does the exact same thing < 1254242527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I've helped someone install it on Ubuntu before < 1254242530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except all of it is proprietary, and it only works on Ubuntu < 1254242532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it abuses the trademark < 1254242534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it comes with Karmic < 1254242539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and due to not being OS, it wasn't in the repositories, which made it more complicated < 1254242540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how is it better than rsync for example? < 1254242542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think Dropbox is positively benevolent in comparison < 1254242543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what computer are you syncing it with < 1254242553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*OSS < 1254242556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because I can use it like a regular directory, and it just happens, in seconds, instantly < 1254242567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: And I can right click, Dropbox -> Get Public Link if it's in Public/ < 1254242572 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard awful stuff about paid software in the repos on Karmic < 1254242580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can view it on the web, and upload files on the web < 1254242584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Also, it stores revision history < 1254242585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complete < 1254242588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For something like 30 days < 1254242592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also lets you undelete for that long) < 1254242596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for every file < 1254242605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so where is this synced to? Some other computer on your network? < 1254242608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually syncing it to another computer, just playing with it < 1254242616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm "get public link" < 1254242625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess to some account on a server < 1254242629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, uh, the Dropbox corporate servers. But the actual files are on every computer, so there's no risk, and I can easily use PGP or an encrypted loopback filesystem or whatever. < 1254242634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much does it cost? < 1254242641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free, for 2GB. < 1254242644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pay, for more. < 1254242648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1254242654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all the rage with the Web 2.0 twitterblagosphere types. < 1254242672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries making a loopback filesystem on it < 1254242676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe using gmail as backend. Isn't it up at like 7 GB or something nowdays? < 1254242702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One, that's probably against the TOS; two, 7374M(i?)B. < 1254242724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you can't share Gmail messages. < 1254242729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is still more than 2 GB yeah < 1254242736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1254242742 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.67.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254242743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1254242765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ehird (n=ehird@91.105.67.185) has left #esoteric ("Ex-Chat") <-- quite a bad pun IMO < 1254242770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the default. < 1254242779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yes. Doesn't make it any better < 1254242790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Dropbox is cool. I'm sort of itching to make My Own Far Superior Version that uses Amazon S3 as a backend and encrypts everything but, you know, I don't care what they see because I wouldn't store anything sensitive on it without encrypting it. < 1254242797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the proprietary daemon sort of fails to bother me entirely. < 1254242817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, loopback filesystems are cool. < 1254242840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Dropbox traverses symlinks, so you can use it as a sort of backup thingy. < 1254242841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm wondering how hard it would be to make something like it that didn't use any corporate server but simply synced between your own computers in real time. < 1254242841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arigh lag < 1254242841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh* < 1254242842 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@p5B1358F5.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254242867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses .xfs as a file extension for an XFS filesystem, because that's fun. < 1254242877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with that extension? < 1254242879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems obvious to me < 1254242910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing; it's just fun to have things like foo.ext3 lying around. < 1254242920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because loopback filesystems feel so, well, exotic. And file extensions don't. < 1254242933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can almost imagine double clicking it and opening it like a folder in Nautilus 27.49. < 1254242944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nautilus should so do that < 1254242948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, Archive Mounter exists < 1254242956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, Ubuntu doesn't ship with XFS? < 1254242966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Because loopback filesystems feel so, well, exotic. And file extensions don't. <-- how does loop filesystems feel exotic? < 1254242973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because they're fun! < 1254242976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And uncommon. < 1254242988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... potential. < 1254243080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) fun - well, maybe. 2) uncommon - yes, because most of the time they are pretty useless, exceptions would be: mounting isos; testing/debugging new file systems/file system features; encrypted fs in a file < 1254243085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) potential - huh? < 1254243098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many... opportunities! < 1254243102 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1254243105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun filesystem nested testing VM cheesecake boom! < 1254243134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One downside: There ought to be a mount you can use as non-root. < 1254243234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tee hee, I now have "dropbox" with an HD icon on my desktop. Let's see if syncing works properly. < 1254243262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ext4 will be delaying gedit's writes, won't it. < 1254243264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's unmount that thing. < 1254243287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaand it syncs. < 1254243300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@ehird-desktop:~/Dropbox$ ln -s test.ext4 Public/2009-09/ < 1254243310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brought to you by the "this is so cool that it can't possibly work" department. < 1254243320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh darn, the link is broken. < 1254243323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm stupid. < 1254243372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, now let's see if it stored two copies. (Probably not, since it appeared synchronized first thing, which is cool.) < 1254243380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2164436/2009-09/test.ext4 < 1254243383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Share and enjoy. < 1254243501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, it probably did. < 1254243502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well! < 1254243504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That link is disappearing now. < 1254243672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, can someone tell me who thought Nautilus tabs were a good idea? < 1254243675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot think of a single usecase. < 1254243798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I've used them < 1254243803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much the same way as Firefox tabs < 1254243807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1254243819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I was working in one directory structure < 1254243825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then wanted to open a second whilst still working on the first < 1254243837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Enigma levels and Enigma source, as it happens) < 1254243854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ever heard of windows? < 1254243871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, browser tabs are an acceptable kludge because our window management facilities suck so much, but for two folders? < 1254243871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: opening two windows would just be clutter < 1254243888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like alt-tab to remain relatively sane < 1254243892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, it was for two related things < 1254243903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clutter? < 1254243905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was for two completely different things, they'd be in different windows, maybe even different desktops < 1254243908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two windows for two things you're working on. < 1254243909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when I'm switching quickly back and forth < 1254243912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, that sounds like... you know... < 1254243914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The purpose of windows. < 1254243916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :] < 1254243920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/that line/oblivion/ < 1254243985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Windows are a pain to switch using the mouse, you have to move it a long way from where you're actually working < 1254243991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a pain to switch using the keyboard if you have too many < 1254244004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas tabs are right next to the contents of the window themselves < 1254244008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever heard of Fitt's Law? the window switcher panel is very efficient < 1254244012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even like the concept of tabs above the address bar for that reason < 1254244023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you have to move the mouse /back/ again afterwards < 1254244032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Fitt's Law applies to the contents of the window too < 1254244047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter, you have to move a bad Fitt distance with tabs < 1254244054 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-134-73.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1254244054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more than "right here", but not enough to throw the mouse < 1254244076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, two windows != tons < 1254244087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two windows > 1 < 1254244092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i postulate that by the time you have enough nautilus windows for it to be a pain, you've forgotten about some of them < 1254244096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I had 8 windows open at the time < 1254244108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so, would you appreciate a program that is just one program, with tabs, for every program you have open? < 1254244115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WAIT THAT'S CALLED A WINDOW SWITCHER :P < 1254244128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it would be useful /if/ I could choose which programs went there and which didn't < 1254244138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if they nested too < 1254244142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you have programs open you don't wnat? < 1254244146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, use ion or something < 1254244150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why do you have programs open you don't want /now/ < 1254244153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has window tabs, probably nested even < 1254244165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I generally try to not < 1254244191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just say, not every program in the whole world is both intelligent enough to manage 100% persistency even when closed, and opens up instantly < 1254244197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a shame, but it's the current situation < 1254244202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but Nautilus is. < 1254244215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would take a while to navigate to the folder in question < 1254244232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's something like 8 or 9 levels deep in the directory structure < 1254244246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, we're talking two folders. I guarantee that beore Nautilus tabs you'd have had no issues whatsoever with it. < 1254244284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I found the silliest microsoft ad ever! < 1254244284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJp6NThk7XE < 1254244325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: before then I used command-prompt tabs, because it was a pain to do what I wanted via the API < 1254244346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GUI < 1254244351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also never use terminal tabs! I'm so crazy. < 1254244366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because context switching terminal/GUI is quite expensive. < 1254244376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before /then/ I used multiple folder windows on Windows, and that was a real pain because sometimes there'd be so many the titles were abbreviated to one letter < 1254244387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you need a window GC. < 1254244397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that was mostly due to bugs in Windows < 1254244399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God knows I do sometimes. < 1254244425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a window GC would only be useful if it was easy to restore them to the state they were in when they were closed < 1254244429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a point you still haven't addressed < 1254244436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know programs ought to be able to do that < 1254244438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of them can't < 1254244441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could just move them to a "crap" workspace or something. < 1254244458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I never have problems. Maybe you just think I'm an extremist about closing apps. < 1254244461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly I have quite a lot open. < 1254244471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's because I have a big screen, so the window clickies are bigger. < 1254244482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas your tiny screen can comfortably switch, what, 5 windows? :P < 1254244505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how < 1254244520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the window switcher can manage about 7 or 8, but I rarely use it, mostly because it involves using the mouse < 1254244537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I'm not sure GNOME is for you. :P < 1254244540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even when I'm doing Enigma work or web browsing, something similar that needs the mouse a lot, I don't like moving it all the way to the bottom of the screen < 1254244554 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and GNOME works just fine for me, I just use the features of it that you keep bashing as unnecessary < 1254244572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, now that I'm not sleep-deprived I'm going to play some more Enigma < 1254244585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do use the window switcher to easily see which windows I have open, it's how I noticed that I'd accidentally opened two Evolution windows, for instance) < 1254244596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I tend to be a GNOME extremist just because I really like the philosophy < 1254244625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose to try and shape more accurately what "GNOMEishness" is in the minds of others, because I hate it when people go "lol removing options = betar gnome" < 1254244661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Enigma VII has some really long times < 1254244668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance < 1254244677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has some really long levels < 1254244686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, where's that one < 1254244694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for instance, #2 Diving < 1254244699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, because I've been working on Enigma 1.1 for so long, I keep on thinking of enigma VIII and enigma IX < 1254244700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :48:14 par, 5:46 record < 1254244702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :par is probably way off < 1254244704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which have some even bigger levels < 1254244711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the shitty par calculation < 1254244715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does Ubuntu have 1.1 yet? < 1254244721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it not out? < 1254244721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it isn't released < 1254244723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, is there a ppa? < 1254244728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any sort of repo with binaries? < 1254244732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to compile yourself, or there are some "milestone" builds < 1254244737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for mac and windows, though < 1254244771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, I hate DownDown < 1254244775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just makes me stress out < 1254244786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually not too hard < 1254244790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to find it massively ahrd < 1254244792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hard < 1254244794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is because I can't play it calmly < 1254244798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but did it with loads of time to spare when I tried recently < 1254244805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: #21 Cold Meditation, world record 18:53 < 1254244807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus fucking christ. < 1254244844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enigma VI has more long times < 1254244849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#36 < 1254244857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#29 < 1254244861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap < 1254244864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#23 is 32:27 par < 1254244865 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I've found links to the snapshot binaries for Windows and Mac < 1254244867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6:08 record < 1254244867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want one or the other? < 1254244876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: neither, I'll compile the source < 1254244879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to using Ubuntu nowadays < 1254244885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1254244898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"apt-get build-depends enigma" will get you nearly all the dependencies you need < 1254244901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me, or is VI#23 just designed to have every-fucking-thing in the game? < 1254244932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one's that? < 1254244941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prepare Your Defense < 1254244954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch, that one < 1254244956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, what mouse sensitivity do you use? I can't get a good value. Using a wireless optical mouse with two batteries (so quite a bit heavier than a wired mouse or a one-battery wireless mouse) on a felt pad.) < 1254244962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very highly rated, which means it's pretty complicated < 1254244974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and the times are insane < 1254244989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I use normally 7, although I adjust it to 15 for levels which are predominantly ice, and 1 for parts of levels where you go through death-stone corridors or other similarly narrow fatal bits < 1254245021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 is way too sensitive, I'll fall into everything < 1254245023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 seems acceptable < 1254245041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, the optimal value depends on the adhesion of the underlying floor < 1254245051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, of the mouse? < 1254245059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254245064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, felt pad < 1254245069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the mouse-marble relationship is mouse sensitivity * adhesion < 1254245072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so quite resistant, although not terribly < 1254245072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I meant the floor of the level < 1254245082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so < 1254245085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, maybe I should try a trackball < 1254245088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be ideal for enigma < 1254245094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. ice you want to set it to 10 times your standard value, if you can < 1254245099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second place probably going to a TrackPoint nub < 1254245101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1254245107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as that gives the same effect as your standard value does on ordinary floors < 1254245109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more like 8 times < 1254245112 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.67.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254245118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I miss, and what did I last say? < 1254245120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:25] as that gives the same effect as your standard value does on ordinary floors < 1254245121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:25] well, more like 8 times < 1254245124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:24] second place probably going to a TrackPoint nub < 1254245132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rightyho < 1254245135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :carry on from there then :P < 1254245151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard adhesion's something like 1.2, IIRC < 1254245156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the "good" floors have higher values < 1254245167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, good as in non-evil < 1254245231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agree about trackball/trackpoint btw? < 1254245262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've played Enigma on a trackball < 1254245270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about as good with it as I am with a mouse < 1254245276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and considering I've practiced for months with a mouse, that's saying something < 1254245300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love Enigma, even though I'm really, truly awful at it < 1254245301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it would also avoid the problem with the mouse reaching the edge of the table; recentering it is ofc possible but takes time, which can be valuable in Enigma) < 1254245322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, how do you jump over the fucking water in time in VI#35 Phaeton? < 1254245356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there we go < 1254245372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is possible, but note that that's rather a complex level with several possible ways to go about it < 1254245377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't remember which one is correct < 1254245383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have par on that level, which I'm quite proud of) < 1254245388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did it fine, but now I have no idea wtf the next bit is < 1254245422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do need to get ready before you set off the lightpassenger < 1254245429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that you can lasertransform things < 1254245435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can? < 1254245444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a laser, isn't there? < 1254245449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can even blocktransform things < 1254245451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know what lastertransforming is... < 1254245453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lightpassenger is a sort of block... < 1254245464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: haha, that could explain a lot that you're missing about Enigma < 1254245478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not-very-spoily version: some items react weirdly to being hit by lasers < 1254245485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly very discoverable... < 1254245486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give you a spoilier one if you like < 1254245493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just try all of them < 1254245497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like I have a life < 1254245497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "Advanced Tutorial" gives some hints < 1254245498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1254245510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey an umbrella for my money. < 1254245512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. < 1254245521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take two. < 1254245569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the LotM essays has a fictional book called "Item Transformation for Dummies" that the black marble carries around with him < 1254245584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sunglasses! Stylish. < 1254245611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I died. < 1254245622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VI#45 Wormhole Madness! < 1254245630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Par is 36:38 < 1254245630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :record is 7:40 < 1254245655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, a shitton < 1254245657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those records have since been beaten < 1254245668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :par 12:04 record 3:41 with up-to-date data < 1254245678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VI#44 Dancing on Light Beams record is 0:09, how the fuck < 1254245688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a shortcut < 1254245705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually sure how to do the level without it < 1254245718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the lightpassenger to the end, and use it to knock the impulse stones out of the way < 1254245728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I turn the laser off so I can get at the oxyds, and it bounces back down the corridor < 1254245736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, I'm not good enough to do the level using the shortcut... < 1254245742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ @ Hot Meitation < 1254245757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually done that one, I think < 1254245770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1254245774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't actually a speed level < 1254245778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not unless you're going for the world record < 1254245787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my time is 1:04, 8 seconds over par < 1254245811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enigma should have keyboard shortcuts for "slow" and "fast" < 1254245820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, normal = 5, slow = 3, fast = 10 < 1254245833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold down shift/ctrl or whatever < 1254245853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1254245883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy enough to script that, but might be considered cheating that wya < 1254245883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*way < 1254245906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try asking on the mailing list < 1254245919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd have to subscribe < 1254245924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, fair enough < 1254245936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm subscribed, but then I'd have to actually pull together the effort to care < 1254245941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is being spent on other things atm < 1254245976 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1254246019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit < 1254246021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VI#55 < 1254246023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :par 77:32 < 1254246025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :record 10:21 < 1254246040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1254246044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that level quite well < 1254246047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also gets very high ratings < 1254246058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and high ratings is a bad sign for difficulty < 1254246063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people seem to like the massively long hard ones better < 1254246092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION solves VI#60 in world record time < 1254246096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*50 < 1254246099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not new world record, but still) < 1254246125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my levels has an author time of 22:45 < 1254246128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it even be solved in 0:02? < 1254246135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is technically world record, as I don't think anyone else has solved it yet) < 1254246166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jump into Meditation" < 1254246167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1254246170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254246183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ridiculously easy < 1254246193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :author time of 0:03 < 1254246196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is equal to the world record < 1254246203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's rare that a world record can't improve on the author < 1254246215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is just trying to solve it to set some author time, rather than trying to get good at it, usually < 1254246224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, if you're quicker than 0:03 you just die < 1254246232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VI#83 is /hideous/ < 1254246234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way < 1254246244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, #62 < 1254246244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the times reflect the difficulty quite well < 1254246256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be so bad if it used sensible floors < 1254246260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, 5:44? < 1254246264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound hideous < 1254246267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but putting abyss and space and swamp and inverse in it is just unfair < 1254246275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9:25's the world record < 1254246275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1254246277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is crazy < 1254246283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1254246297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:52 < 1254246299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Johannes < 1254246305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must have been renumbered for 1.1 < 1254246305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of "The Cube" < 1254246312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're looking at the easy mode < 1254246321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too. < 1254246322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9:25 Johannes in hard < 1254246329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1254246331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not using Hard. < 1254246343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the easy mode of that level is OK < 1254246351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, look at VI#100 < 1254246353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that time is ridiculous < 1254246354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the hard mode that's a bitch, and is one of the things that makes me want to leave it for the last level I ever do < 1254246366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and VI#100 is infamous < 1254246367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98 and 99 too < 1254246379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was obviously destined for a #100 slot < 1254246381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that sort of level < 1254246389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never got past the third room on it < 1254246393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the second is really tedious < 1254246397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is /not/ a good combination < 1254246423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#98 is rather difficult, it's one of the hardest one-screeners there, apparently < 1254246426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not counting #62) < 1254246439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and #99 is really a pain < 1254246445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the white marbles falling in the water all the time < 1254246448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it not being obvious what to do < 1254246463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out #100's first room... < 1254246476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the blocks is movable, and there's a hidden trigger < 1254246483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that < 1254246485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this bodes badly for the rest of the level, btw) < 1254246498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It moved! < 1254246503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Now what." < 1254246515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee. < 1254246557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bothering with it can be a bad idea, because room 2 is a) moderately difficult, b) very boring, and c) has about 4 or 5 plausible solutions, only one of which is correct and you don't find out which until much later < 1254246581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :room 2 looks easy, which means it's probably hard < 1254246612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha went south, straight into water < 1254246613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck this < 1254246671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, there's an infamous bit much later on in the level, which I've never reached < 1254246679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's a maze involving death-stones and swamp < 1254246693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does enigma 1.1 have the copyrighted music? < 1254246695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu's package doesn't < 1254246699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes me :sad: < 1254246722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.1 does, yes < 1254246741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1254246745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link to svn repo or whatever? < 1254246783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn://svn.berlios.de/enigma-game < 1254246830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have the debian/ directory, I wonder? < 1254246848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlikely < 1254246854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the repo here, I'll check < 1254246924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, no debian/ directory < 1254246966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you want one/ < 1254246968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1254246976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it lets you make a .deb < 1254246978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll just use checkinstall < 1254246999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe in just hoping I never need to remove something from /usr/local, you see < 1254247013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is trunk rather stable or should I keep the repo around for updating?) < 1254247050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they tend to rename things a lot, so keep the repo < 1254247065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, they're forever fixing bugs and graphics and so on < 1254247068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and level shortcuts < 1254247071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... does dpkg have a replace-package command? < 1254247079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., I know you have that deb; forget about it, this is the new version < 1254247086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically uninstall+reinstall, but still < 1254247105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as far as I know < 1254247111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I rarely mess with dpkg directly < 1254247116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when fixing broken distro upgrades < 1254247128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether he should install it in /usr or /usr/local < 1254247137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in /usr would break any Ubuntu Enigma, unless, < 1254247139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it name things -1.1? < 1254247141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/local if you aren't using the package manager < 1254247145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am < 1254247146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it just uses the old names < 1254247147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkinstall creates a deb < 1254247151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by looking at every filesystem change < 1254247154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a chroot < 1254247172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very clever, you can just do "sudo checkinstall", describe the package, and it installs it into dpkg with "make install" < 1254247179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install in /usr, uninstall if an official version comes out < 1254247187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1254247189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed into /home, with a separate .enigma directory < 1254247193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION purges Ubuntu's Enigma < 1254247201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't want any stray conflicting configuration files...) < 1254247207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I didn't want to lose my records on the official Enigma while I worked on the development one < 1254247225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm terrible at it, so that's not a worry < 1254247239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether he should do something crazy, like symlink all my dotfiles into Dropbox < 1254247249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I used emacs, my .emacs would never be desynchronised! < 1254247264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@ehird-desktop:~$ rm -rf .enigma < 1254247264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.enigma/ .enigmarc.xml < 1254247271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why do you have a directory if you have a file too? < 1254247295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking out enigma sure is taking a long time < 1254247313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 57th best in the world by level percentage completion < 1254247328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 56.73% < 1254247332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are only about 100 Enigma players :-P < 1254247337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than that < 1254247339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 200 < 1254247342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who score-submit < 1254247343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@ehird-desktop:~/enigma-game$ ls < 1254247343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add-ons branches feature_branches homepage tags team_levelpacks trunk < 1254247349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you could have linked me to the trunk... < 1254247363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders where to put the repo < 1254247367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's the only link I know < 1254247374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's the one on the website < 1254247376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should check it out with /trunk after it < 1254247379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise you could check out subrepos in svn < 1254247382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you check out every branch, the homepage, every release < 1254247383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything < 1254247387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is... slow. < 1254247393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't go in ~/Keep/2009-09/, because it changes... < 1254247401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should make ~/Volatile, or something < 1254247405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for stuff that changes that isn't mine < 1254247435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have ~/research/ which is almost exactly that < 1254247445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how academic that sounds < 1254247456 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-156-193-77.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254247490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of all my directories, it's probably the one with the most subdirs < 1254247508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from one that's a backup of stuff that was on previous computers < 1254247673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to use ~/Crap, but that's for crap I made already. < 1254247860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the install going? < 1254247880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wiped the repo to redownload just the trunk, but I'm still hemming-and-hawing about a directory... < 1254247891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, how about ~/NIH? :-D < 1254247899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good one < 1254247910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/NIH/enigma go go go < 1254247914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether me liking something makes it more or less likely ehird will use it < 1254247936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the Enigma devs seem to be on holiday < 1254247941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wonder why I name bottom-level directories lowercase, but the rest Title-Cased English (although I rarely use anything but [A-Z][a-z]+) < 1254247943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only change last week was a tweak to the Makefile < 1254247946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/)/ < 1254247947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when normally there are loads of changes < 1254247956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably running out of things to change. < 1254247966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I submitted a huge number of new levels last week < 1254247999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6, it seems < 1254248004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :together with corrections to 2 more < 1254248143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, now to figure out what I need to ./configure < 1254248150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ./autogen.sh < 1254248158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure.ac:110: warning: macro `AM_PATH_SDL' not found in library < 1254248162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should that *really* be a warning? :P < 1254248193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION build-deps enigma < 1254248279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they added one new dep, IIRC < 1254248283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I can't remember offhand what it's on < 1254248293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i can handle one strenuous apt-get line < 1254248302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish bash had a name for '& disown' < 1254248306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like &! < 1254248310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gedit README &! < 1254248310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disown? < 1254248313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronounced "and STAY out!" < 1254248321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so if you close the terminal it stays < 1254248321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it deparents the process, I think < 1254248327 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsh has it < 1254248331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that yet another variant on nohup and friends? < 1254248333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, you have a bunch of background processes lying around < 1254248343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nohup is not actually meant to do it as its main purpose, I think < 1254248348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, it creates "nohup.out" < 1254248355 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed, its main version is insulation from SIGHUP < 1254248358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what I generally use it for < 1254248363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*main purpose < 1254248426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh, I'm becoming a fan of Ubuntu's text rendering < 1254248456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that uh oh? < 1254248472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm losing everything that defines me!!! < 1254248478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally, I saw that Reddit post on the differences between Arial and Helvetica; you're right, Helvetica's much better where they differ at all) < 1254248508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... are we swapping? < 1254248512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1254248512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please say no. < 1254248520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never disliked Helvetica, in that I never really had a chance to see it < 1254248572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing I notice most about Arial/Helvetica is the R < 1254248579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254248580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arial's slanted R just looks awful with all the other letters < 1254248584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1254248592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoyingly, the R is Arial-like in this font too < 1254248594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and looks bad here too < 1254248609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About That I'll Rant. < 1254248610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, indeed. < 1254248616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too bad amongst capitals, but glaring amongst lowercase < 1254248622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's monospaced, though, so it's not exactly a paragon of typographical elegance any way you look at it. < 1254248632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat-GNOME just looks awful in a proper font. < 1254248642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monospaced isn't meant to be typographically elegant, I don't think < 1254248644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've forgotten the term for non-monospaced... proportional. < 1254248655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether to start making separate build directories < 1254248658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed < 1254248707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the INSTALL tells me to do it in-directory, so I will! also I am lazy. < 1254248730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people never bother to make really proper build systems, like C-INTERCAL's < 1254248735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : --enable-tools Build developer tools default=no < 1254248742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what're they? are they shiny? < 1254248746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used them < 1254248754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt they're for level development < 1254248759 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Proper, like C-INTERCAL's"? < 1254248764 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds very oxymoronic < 1254248771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He may have being sarcastic < 1254248778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: INTERCAL attempts to be unlike all other programming languages < 1254248779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know, but can you, like, mess with scores and internal values and stuff, I wonder? < 1254248781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be fun. < 1254248787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this includes having a build system that supports everything < 1254248789 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I'm aware < 1254248797 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Everything"? < 1254248801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : --enable-experimental Include experimental features default=no < 1254248803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as in-tree, out-of-tree, parallel make, running with and without install, and crosscompile < 1254248816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmm < 1254248816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks shiny. Looks dangerous. < 1254248817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : --enable-optimize Compile with optimizations default=no (whyever not?) < 1254248821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very few build systems can manage all of that < 1254248838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is optimisation disabled for dev purposes? < 1254248844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, maybe < 1254248848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably to make it easier to debug < 1254248849 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? Seems relatively trivial to me < 1254248852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@ehird-desktop:~/NIH/enigma$ ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-tools --enable-experimental --enable-optimize < 1254248858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this will break stuff. < 1254248858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably! < 1254248859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gogogogogo < 1254248871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION updates system first, though < 1254248937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software Center is quite annoying at the moment... < 1254248950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now it's an Install/Remove... with an uglier interface and more confusing terminology < 1254248984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Software Center"? < 1254248989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "Ubuntu Software Center" both needlessly references Ubuntu in the menu and doesn't give any sort of hint; what's wrong with Install/Remove... or even clearer, Install/Remove Applications...? < 1254248998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: previously Software Store. Aren't you on Karmic alpha? < 1254249002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they're replacing Synaptic for Karmic, aren't they? < 1254249005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1254249006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.04. < 1254249010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on Jaunty-proposed < 1254249011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just replaces Install/Remove... atm. < 1254249027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means I get fixes before they're properly tested < 1254249031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it'll replace Install/Remove..., Synaptic, Update Manager and Computer Janitor in 10.04 or thereabouts. < 1254249031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but am otherwise on Jaunty < 1254249058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as apt-get keeps working, I'll probably use that < 1254249063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the GUI things are too obnoxious < 1254249068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synaptic works but is kind-of bland < 1254249072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably that's all for the best...) < 1254249077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called "Ubuntu Software Center" in the Applications menu, which isn't helpful and references Ubuntu, uses a fixed blue colour scheme for the application view and the main page (think iTunes store), doesn't have enough whitespace < 1254249079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAVING SAID THAT < 1254249086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In actual usage, it's just like Install/Remove.... < 1254249088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not much of a problem. < 1254249101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("....", agh. I need to start using the proper ellipsis character.) < 1254249118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what iTunes looks like < 1254249142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ShssuEE1cx0/SqTDb0dQhtI/AAAAAAAADuA/bH9ZyFPRhEM/s400/Spotify+iphone+App+store.jpg < 1254249158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine that thing's body, but far simpler and without the gradient; that's what Software Center looks like < 1254249191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: screenshot: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2164436/2009-09/software-center.png < 1254249217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1254249218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual design document on the Ubuntu wiki is excellent apart from the name and the "Department" terminology, but the application itself doesn't live up to it yet < 1254249231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it's fine as an Install/Remove... replacement and easier to use for e.g. package descriptions. < 1254249234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it has screenshots on some apps, which is fun. < 1254249255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably from the Debian Screenshot Project < 1254249258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254249265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a debian spiral when there is no screenshot < 1254249272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254249286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, that screenshot was ridiculously easy to take; I can just hit Print Screen, hit enter, go to Places -> Shared, right click it, and Dropbox -> Copy Public Link.) < 1254249297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It seems a bit convoluted, but I can have a URL to a screenshot on my clipboard in about five seconds.) < 1254249308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, technically I rename it before hitting enter, but. < 1254249315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: error: libcurl is required to compile Enigma < 1254249318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why. < 1254249331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Package libcurl-dev is a virtual package provided by: < 1254249331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : libcurl4-openssl-dev 7.19.5-1ubuntu2 < 1254249331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : libcurl4-gnutls-dev 7.19.5-1ubuntu2 < 1254249332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh/ < 1254249333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Uh. < 1254249383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl is to download the updated par times and world records < 1254249391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's opt-in on the options screen < 1254249400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which should I pick?) < 1254249412 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those didn't handle SSL parameter renegotiation (used when there are some directory-specific SSL-related things), but it's possible they both do it right nowadays. < 1254249414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably doesn't matter < 1254249423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APT is licensed under GPL. libcurl can be used with both OpenSSL and GnuTLS. In case of OpenSSL a special exemption clause would be required for making it possible to link with both libapt-pkg and OpenSSL. We will try to get a written permission to do this from the previous apt copyright holders. Until we have that, we will use gnutls. < 1254249430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254249434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the ubuntu wiki about apt+https < 1254249447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curl: libcurl GnuTLS insufficient cert verification Vulnerability < 1254249447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 Jul 2007 ... libcurl (when built to use GnuTLS) fails to verify that a peer's ... Note that libcurl needs to be built to use GnuTLS for this flaw to be ... < 1254249472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just ridiculous < 1254249492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenSSL I reasonably trust, although I'm not sure why < 1254249495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe I shouldn't < 1254249506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :openssl's code is gnarly < 1254249516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, gnutls seems to be way less popular < 1254249517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and GNU's code is gnuy < 1254249520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's that vulnerability < 1254249523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so openssl is probably a better bet < 1254249525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it fixed yet? < 1254249529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it would be... < 1254249532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, but still < 1254249541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust the GNU project to be very good with things like side-channel attacks < 1254249547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're too busy making their code look like ELEGANT LISP < 1254249573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note, selecting libcurl4-gnutls-dev instead of libcurl4-dev < 1254249580 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if xmonad would be better than awesome; after all, Haskell obviously beats Lua, which I don't much like. < 1254249580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu tries to make my decision for me! < 1254249595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you just installed the virtual < 1254249597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it picked one? < 1254249599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The "it recompiles your configuration file to a binary then uses that instead of xmonad" rubs the wrong way with me. < 1254249604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it's prompting me, but yes < 1254249609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go with it, then < 1254249619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can always change < 1254249622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this explains why C-INTERCAL depends on "gcc or a C compiler" < 1254249630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's giving a strong hint that gcc is probably the best one to use < 1254249633 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Saying "+" in aptitude on the xmonad line says "will use 111MB of disk space", which sounds a bit excessive. < 1254249643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's probably ghc. < 1254249647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is big. < 1254249652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You need the compiler for the configuration, you see. < 1254249658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's compiled and used instead of your xmonad binary. < 1254249668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I mention that xmonad's configuration is shoehorning Haskell? < 1254249670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1254249680 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have ghc already, though. But there's quite a lot of things that were not included by the "ghc6" package itself. < 1254249693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Debian's infamous shitsplitting strikes again. < 1254249696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It splits shit. < 1254249760 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome's configuration file is a Lua script, and I get a vaguely ill feeling whenever I have to do something to it. < 1254249806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use ion3(plus), then. Not only does it use a Lua config file, it also has an obnoxious author and license. < 1254249833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't support my uneconomical penis extend... I mean, Xinerama. < 1254249843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a patch for that! < 1254249878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: iPhone app store parody? < 1254249880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enigma is now configured < 1254249880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Source directory: . < 1254249880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Installation prefix: /usr < 1254249880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : C++ compiler: g++ -DENABLE_ASSERT -O2 -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -DCXXLUA < 1254249880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Libraries: -lcurl -lxerces-c -lpng -ldl < 1254249881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Linker options: < 1254249883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Languages: de fr nl it es sv ru hu pt fi uk be el < 1254249885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If these values seem to make sense, you can now run make. < 1254249887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, no, but let's pretend it is; that's a good one < 1254249905 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, according to the fact I used the wrong word there; I should've said "rub" instead of "support". < 1254249906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does it take a long time, Enigma? to compile < 1254249917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe about 10 minutes on this computer < 1254249926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the install takes a while too, though, because it has to copy a huge number of files < 1254249926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll -j3, then. < 1254249930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2 cores * 1.5) < 1254249944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the *1.5 is apparently due to a scheduler bug < 1254249946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../src -DENABLE_ASSERT -O2 -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -DCXXLUA -MT extractbitmaps.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/extractbitmaps.Tpo -c -o extractbitmaps.o extractbitmaps.cpp < 1254249947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extractbitmaps.cpp: In function ‘int main(int, char**)’: < 1254249947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extractbitmaps.cpp:81: error: ‘exit’ was not declared in this scope < 1254249947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extractbitmaps.cpp:87: error: ‘exit’ was not declared in this scope < 1254249947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extractbitmaps.cpp:94: error: ‘exit’ was not declared in this scope < 1254249948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extractbitmaps.cpp:103: error: ‘exit’ was not declared in this scope < 1254249950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1254249953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(does Enigma parallel-make correctly, btw?) < 1254249960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems quite slow, but it probably works. < 1254249966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what a weird error? < 1254249981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Did I mention, exit was not declared in this scope." < 1254250002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like someone forgot to include < 1254250011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed they did. < 1254250016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254250018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF. < 1254250023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't get that error... < 1254250023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do these people not... test this thing? < 1254250035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hm. < 1254250037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It includes stdio.h. < 1254250040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe something weird. < 1254250046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe my options are fucking things up < 1254250055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdio.h? how quaint < 1254250060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a C++ file we're talking abuot < 1254250061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/ehird/NIH/enigma/lib-src/oxydlib' < 1254250062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*about < 1254250075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so do you compile with the experimental features on? < 1254250077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--enable-experimental < 1254250097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I use standard config < 1254250104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that fun?! < 1254250104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, configure without arguments except for prefix < 1254250105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1254250110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But okay, that's probably for the best. < 1254250113 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I will also not provide support for versions of Ion that have been corrupted with support for such things as Xft/fontconfig, and such versions may not be distributed as “Ion”." < 1254250115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game is fun, the compile doesn't have to be < 1254250132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you could just use multiple root windows, you know < 1254250177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to stab people who use recursive make. < 1254250179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also autotools. < 1254250179 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, I want Firefox windows on multiple screens without running multiple instances, and as far as I know it still can't do that. < 1254250203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: VNC to a non-displayed screen < 1254250221 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that there sounds like an elegant solution. < 1254250229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally. < 1254250237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Or use a better browser! < 1254250242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Like Opera! Tuomov looooooooves Opera. < 1254250256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially because it doesn't use GTK+, which is horrible GNOME crap. < 1254250271 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254250335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"density: command not found". < 1254250339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try that but without parallel. < 1254250350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What is density?) < 1254250400 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254250401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1254250403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't in the repos < 1254250416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be an Enigma thing that didn't get compiled yet, then. < 1254250429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be one of those funky dev tools < 1254250433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you're trying to compile < 1254250443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I gave up on that. < 1254250448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is generating some artwork stuff. < 1254250602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still can't fucking find it. < 1254250606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think density is some imagemagick thing. < 1254250625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs it < 1254250669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try that again < 1254250683 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it has density; mine has the binaries compare, animate, convert, composite, conjure, import, identify, stream, display, montage and mogrify. < 1254250712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there a file listing all the deps...? < 1254250721 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, packages.debian.org finds a "density" binary only from 'emboss', a molecular biology thing. < 1254250744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not as far as I know < 1254250750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but the calls look like ImageMagick calls. < 1254250769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :density -PixelResolution 154x324 {...} foo.png ../bar.png < 1254250776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(made up, just an example of the s < 1254250776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/convert -density 112x112 -units PixelsPerCentimeter -crop 48x48+0+0 ../../../data/gfx48/it_coin_s.png it_coin_s.png < 1254250780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1254250782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tried to find convert. < 1254250785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It couldn't find it. < 1254250790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So $(CONVERT) -density became -density. < 1254250794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And somehow the shell dropped the -. < 1254250795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it < 1254250800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... the rest is ... < 1254250800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1254250805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, Make dropped the - < 1254250807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a special meaning in make, IIRC < 1254250811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I can't remember what it is < 1254250815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/convert -density 112x112 -units PixelsPerCentimeter -crop 48x48+0+288 ../../../data/gfx48/thief_capture_template.png thief_template.png < 1254250815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make[3]: *** [st_thief_drunken.png] Aborted (core dumped) < 1254250815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make[3]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... < 1254250815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, that is... that is not good. < 1254250836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would imagemagick be doing that? < 1254250844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I. I don't know. < 1254250848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me clean, configure and try again. < 1254250849 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make has a special meaning for the - prefix, it's that ignore-errors thing or something. < 1254250856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without -j3. < 1254250860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That'd explain why it did multiple ones. < 1254250864 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To ignore errors in a command line, write a `-' at the beginning of the line's text (after the initial tab). The `-' is discarded before the command is passed to the shell for execution. " < 1254250867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And errored out when it tried to access the produced files. < 1254250871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a fun error. < 1254250893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have been even more fun if the first command-line option had been a real command < 1254250974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like rm -f, destroying the source files < 1254250982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why are you doing that, Enigma?" < 1254251004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unlikely that a program would accept -rm -f as options, and that someone would write it like that and not as -rmf < 1254251017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :convert assert failure: convert: magick/image.c:4516: SyncImagesSettings: Assertion `images != (Image *) ((void *)0)' failed. < 1254251017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CancelOk < 1254251017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imagemagick/+bug/438884 < 1254251019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reported with glee. < 1254251032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how that only took a few clicks. < 1254251050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ImageMagick style programs don't allow -combiningoptionsbecausetheyrelikelongoptions < 1254251055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254251068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but programs with long - options tend not to use names like "rm" and "f" < 1254251082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever seen rxvt options (and maybe xterm)? < 1254251084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-sb for scrollbar. < 1254251085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-bg, -fg. < 1254251108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, without -j3 it works. Coincidence or crazy ImageMagick bug? < 1254251116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can only run two instances of ImageMagick at once" < 1254251129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, install checkinstall then sudo checkinstall time. < 1254251144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the image file was somehow unlinked while it was running? < 1254251155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The package documentation directory ./doc-pak does not exist. < 1254251155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I create a default set of package docs? [y]: < 1254251155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a tricky question. < 1254251163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can sort-of imagine an fstat to check size, followed by opening after that, and crashing if it was unset in-between < 1254251164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Enigma's documentation built by default? < 1254251171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it is < 1254251184 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@83.194.44.193 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254251194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and very useful if you plan to make any levels < 1254251199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(less useful but not bad if you just plan to play) < 1254251203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I need to move it around. Blah. < 1254251219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just read it from the build tree, though < 1254251235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it'll do "make install" like normal; it just won't go into the official package thingy, whatever that is. < 1254251243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you know what, I don't even fucking care :P < 1254251266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION copies Ubuntu's description of Enigma < 1254251326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for "This package contains the game engine." :P < 1254251340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 - Maintainer: [ root@ehird-desktop ] < 1254251350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a great maintainer < 1254251370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o Optionally you can make a directory called "doc-pak" whose contents < 1254251370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : will be installed in /usr/doc/ inside the package you're < 1254251370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : about to create. checkinstall will remind you about this one if it notices < 1254251370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : there is no "doc-pak" on the source directory. Good candidates to be there < 1254251370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : are: README, INSTALL, COPYING, Changelog, TODO, CREDITS, etc. It's up to you < 1254251371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what to copy in there. < 1254251376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ^C < 1254251380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy to do that. < 1254251390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, it'll already do that. < 1254251390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So to hell with it. < 1254251414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets maintainer to ehird@ehird-desktop for logi < 1254251419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/c/ < 1254251451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll name it enigma-svn < 1254251521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so this is 1.1, right? < 1254251533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 1.01 (1.1 compatibility branch) < 1254251534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 - Version: [ 1.1 ] < 1254251534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 - Release: [ 1 ] < 1254251534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1254251548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should release be something like svn1077 (the revision number?) < 1254251554 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the engine is 1.1-compatible almost exactly, the interface is somewhere in-between < 1254251565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is that what you use? < 1254251574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as what? < 1254251581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dev enigma < 1254251589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, for level development < 1254251593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and playing new API levels < 1254251598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1254251601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the Ubuntu package for playing old ones < 1254251607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so should release be svn1077 or whatever? < 1254251626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1254251635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may want to call the version something like 1.1~svn1077 < 1254251644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it sorts correctly in debianbetical order < 1254251647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 - Version: [ 1.01 ] < 1254251647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 - Release: [ svn1815 ] < 1254251648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what that maps to < 1254251671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, who cares < 1254251686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 1.1? isn't it 1.01? :P < 1254251706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 - Group: [ checkinstall ] < 1254251706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... sure < 1254251717 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you could count forwards instead < 1254251720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 - Source location: [ enigma ] < 1254251720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 - Alternate source location: [ ] < 1254251720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 - Requires: [ ] < 1254251720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 - Provides: [ enigma ] < 1254251720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1254251724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Debianese, 1.1~ means "before 1.1 < 1254251725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1254251731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION changes provides to enigma-svn < 1254251740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, I can always change it < 1254251741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this'll do < 1254251759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :provides is for things that depend on it < 1254251761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :======================== Installation successful ========================== < 1254251761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: /var/tmp/tmp.YhomUNcJHg/newfile: No such file or directory < 1254251762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reassuring < 1254251779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, "provides: enigma" means that things that depend on enigma will be OK to install if it's installed < 1254251784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copying files to the temporary directory... < 1254251786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[silence] < 1254251791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right; don't want to mess with that < 1254251793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, it's going on < 1254251797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :installing debian package! < 1254251805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Done. The new package has been installed and saved to < 1254251805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /home/ehird/NIH/enigma/enigma-svn_1.01-svn1815_amd64.deb < 1254251805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : You can remove it from your system anytime using: < 1254251805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : dpkg -r enigma-svn < 1254251817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1254251820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's apt-cache show on a .deb? < 1254251837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I < 1254251837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpkg -I < 1254251847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Version: 1.01-svn1815 < 1254251849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's acceptable < 1254251857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's -svn, using ~ doesn't make sense < 1254251864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it'll almost immediately advance beyond any particular release < 1254251871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Depends: < 1254251873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tee hee < 1254251875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... s > 3 < 1254251882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that'll sort correctly wrt the released versions < 1254251887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1254251890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares, anyway < 1254251892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, it's in my menu < 1254251915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be from Ubuntu, but who cares < 1254251929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you lied, the music is different :( < 1254251946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254251946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can change it < 1254251946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray < 1254251946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there are two < 1254251946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it alternates between them < 1254251946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enter a level and exit < 1254251960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pentagonal Dreams! < 1254251965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me, or is the mouseover button effect obnoxiously loud? < 1254251978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Pentagonal Dreams is the catchy and legally dubious one < 1254251979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be; you can tone effects down in options < 1254251980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll stick with it < 1254251998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :default's to alternate < 1254251999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ups the resolution < 1254252002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you use? I use 800x600 < 1254252002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I know the names of the musics < 1254252005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, *defaults < 1254252009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use 960x720 < 1254252013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1254252015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it fits exactly between the panels < 1254252017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the screen < 1254252022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254252025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort-of the perfect size for this screen res < 1254252037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024x768 puts a border around some levels < 1254252045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess 800x600 is "show me all of it" < 1254252069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION turns on ratings update < 1254252069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of mine are in the dev version < 1254252086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do a search for "Alex Smith" if you're interested < 1254252087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :peculiar UI for choosing a language; shouldn't it be based on locale? < 1254252093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has SEARCHES? < 1254252098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :under "level pack" < 1254252111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click "search" and it'll create a "search results" levelpack for you < 1254252124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat@tutorial level sierpinski < 1254252136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that one's always fun < 1254252156 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254252178 0 :MigoMipo!i=54d905f5@gateway/web/freenode/x-qkujatmyuhfmpnyr JOIN :#esoteric < 1254252202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, my system lags loading the IX thumbnails < 1254252211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's regenerating them < 1254252216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coffee? do I spot a joke? < 1254252219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IX#2) < 1254252219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thumbnails only need generation once < 1254252234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, not a joke < 1254252241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed to find 9 useless items that looked different < 1254252248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(useless in the context of the level, except for a specific reason) < 1254252260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's yours? < 1254252261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even notice < 1254252264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I wrotei t < 1254252266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*wrote it) < 1254252277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's sudoku < 1254252277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254252295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mouse speeds in this version are slower < 1254252302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 is acceptable, whereas it was intolerable before < 1254252308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, interesting < 1254252320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or you're playing my levels and I generally use high-friction floor < 1254252329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that might've been the floor < 1254252333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my only level in IX; most of them are in VIII < 1254252336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iower i < 1254252337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by /dev/null < 1254252350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#83 to #88 inclusive are all mine < 1254252353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in VIII < 1254252415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you might recognise a couple of them from Agora, if you were paying attention there; I translated them) < 1254252440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm walking without fear in VIII#6, have covered most of the level, and only died once, on my first tile < 1254252452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it disables after the first boom :P < 1254252455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a great level < 1254252463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after it explodes, it's unsolvable < 1254252487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's another level along the same lines as Su Dyxo and Enigris < 1254252493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an "update level times now" button? < 1254252496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enigiris? is that tetris? < 1254252500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is < 1254252511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow searching is awkward < 1254252511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in the old version, somewhere in level pack IV IIRC, and of course hasn't been deleted < 1254252521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click a button, enter, go to level packs again, all level packs, choose search results < 1254252523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, having to hover the mouse in one place, that's a UI fail IMO < 1254252540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean hover it? < 1254252553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it should jump straight to the search results pack if you search < 1254252577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they fixed it < 1254252578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't < 1254252584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you used to have to hover the search box to be able to type there < 1254252599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, it's jumping straight to the search results for me, if I click on "search" < 1254252599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254252599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Experimental#6 is solvable < 1254252603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried pressing return < 1254252607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hm < 1254252609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is for me too < 1254252655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and experimental#6 appears to have no pearls (for a meditation level), no oxyds, and no opals < 1254252655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think it's unsolvable < 1254252725 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1254252755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno#dunno Fool the Warden is fun < 1254252759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(searched for foo) < 1254252767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of the old ones IIRC < 1254252936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrt your comment about coffee, finding uses for coffee has been a sort-of habit for level designers < 1254252943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hobby < 1254252955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, you can block lasers with it < 1254253157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fool the warden keeps me playing... < 1254253184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one annoys me < 1254253191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's easy but time-consuming until right at the end < 1254253203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm not sure what the correct order to move the pearls in is < 1254253212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... if I'm thinking of the right level < 1254253217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be thinking of something else < 1254253301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it < 1254253351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that one < 1254253354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one annoys me too < 1254253359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a different one, though < 1254253361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254253373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1254253438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just completed it in 1:02 < 1254253443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously I've got better since I last tried < 1254253460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, playing it on the version that actually counts! < 1254253481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the one I was discussing before was "Fool the Watchdog") < 1254253487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the ball have a speed limit? < 1254253493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I did it before < 1254253509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think there are speed limits apart from mouse detection and floating-point roundoff errors < 1254253520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm spinning between... I think ice, and space < 1254253537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently going up/down very rapidly, only slightly left < 1254253537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that i was bashing around wildly < 1254253537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite fun to watch, and i'm flickering < 1254253542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the mouse speed is ignored in space, and mostly ignored in ice < 1254253542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think i'm going insanely fast < 1254253542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since i dropped two items < 1254253547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i hit that column < 1254253547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both popped instantly < 1254253551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, you're going insanely fast < 1254253576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like i'm going smoothly now, but I bet i'm going so fast, it just looks that way < 1254253599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't there used to be a thing that'd reset you back < 1254253613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean, an item? to jump back to the start? < 1254253619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it_ring does that on a single-player level < 1254253620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but after a while on space, you got put back < 1254253628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's never been the case < 1254253632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, i escaped! < 1254253635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a level did i t < 1254253635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although people often either put magnets near space, or add gravity < 1254253638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1254253647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i skipped over solid stuff < 1254253647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that sort of reason < 1254253651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just glided to a reset position < 1254253661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god invisible blocks < 1254253666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1.1new#21) < 1254253704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike that one < 1254253716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as I went round the massive level twice and still couldn't figure out what I was meant to do < 1254253941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.1new#25 argh < 1254254018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol@1.1new#40 < 1254254056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for you to comment on one of eirs < 1254254067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION searches < 1254254084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rainbow Adjacencies: oh god. < 1254254103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you remember that one? < 1254254108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Agora? < 1254254110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1254254112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1254254113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1254254181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like its preview image < 1254254212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Six To Twenty-Six: what is this I don't even < 1254254257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also from Agora < 1254254258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transforming Numbers: um < 1254254263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the other Agoran level < 1254254272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Transforming Numbers is great, it's one of my favourites out of my own levels < 1254254278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deathbridge: Oh no, not this again. ...better try it < 1254254321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have a go at Transforming Numbers (since renamed Number Crunching); note that that version has a shortcut but it's not one you're likely to discover, so playing an unfixed version should be fine < 1254254417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dies in Deathbridge, goes again < 1254254442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, it took me months to discover the shortcut, and I wrote the level in the first place...) < 1254254455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't such a shortcut good? < 1254254462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not really < 1254254462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1254254469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, *Deathbridge, goes < 1254254470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn spaces < 1254254479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a shortcut of the nature of "1% of the time this level is really easy, most of the time it's standard-difficulty") < 1254254489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically just encourages grinding < 1254254495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/)// < 1254254504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so not knowledge-based? < 1254254508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1254254519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it's only ever come up twice to my knowledge < 1254254525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and once it was someone else who reported it < 1254254529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "if we slip here, turn this on, bash these here, turn that off and turn on the laser, it hits the block to open up the passageway accidentally" < 1254254542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of randomness in level generation < 1254254548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that level < 1254254559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't even influence it in the level play itself < 1254254683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up with IX#7? < 1254254693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and is there a more standard naming convention than what I'm using?) < 1254254702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are using the standard < 1254254713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in the dev versions, we generally just use names as the numbers aren't fixed yet < 1254254714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even 1.1new? < 1254254719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in 1.1new#foo < 1254254727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for that < 1254254733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite obvious, though < 1254254737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use the names in the Enigma packs, as every level's in one of those < 1254254744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to look up, though < 1254254751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1254254753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's technically in the level info, but < 1254254776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen the opal levels, by the way? < 1254254779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minopal, symopal, etc < 1254254785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there enigma pong? oh, you made it didn't you? < 1254254787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope; pack? < 1254254801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall your enigma pong sucking < 1254254802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 1.1 new has several, or I'll find a reference in VIII if you like < 1254254805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did < 1254254807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't submitted it < 1254254822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION searches for opal < 1254254827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIII#56 is the first < 1254254832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the first? Minopal? < 1254254838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symopal? Brilliant Opals? < 1254254839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIII#57 is the only one I've actually done, though < 1254254855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Minopal's first) < 1254254856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Coober Peddy is the one I've done) < 1254254880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1254254885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has an idea for enigma tennis < 1254254906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of those little white balls, and the lua code makes it jump across some solid blocks when it hits < 1254254912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't do bouncing, but oh well < 1254254920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why solid? < 1254254927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use st_portal_pearl < 1254254927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could enforce e.g. 1 hit/2 hits max < 1254254933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which bounces everything but little white balls < 1254254934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because you should bash into it < 1254254937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254254939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's good then < 1254254954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jesus@minopal < 1254254959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for most of the things you want in Enigma, there'll be some object that does something similar...) < 1254255040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is minopal meant to be hard? < 1254255049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1254255052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the new levels /are/ hard < 1254255059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just tedious so far < 1254255064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sufficiently so that I'm deliberately aiming to make easier ones to bring the average difficulty down < 1254255072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue with opal levels normally happens towards the end < 1254255081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you end up stranding a couple of the opals < 1254255084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1254255086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm fucked then < 1254255091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just been bashing them semi-randomly < 1254255095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finding matching ones < 1254255268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: idea for enigma tennis - oxyds randomly appear on the opponent's side < 1254255278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not only do you have to shoot in a way advantageous to you over the AI, you have to try and hit the oxyds < 1254255291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch, creating and deleting oxyds is a pain < 1254255292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the opponent can, at your side, shoot blocks which invert your movement or something and act as obstacles for you to boot) < 1254255296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean, just randomly generating them? < 1254255311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I guess < 1254255318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter idea is even more fun, though < 1254255329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to avoid it because it'll harm you, and you have to desperately defend it from your opponent < 1254255334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until it disappears < 1254255344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe it disappears by hitting a block on the opponent's side) < 1254255354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you defend an oxyd from your opponent? < 1254255360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an oxyd < 1254255360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't matter who hits it < 1254255365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defending a quake stone would be more fun < 1254255367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because it inverts your movement < 1254255373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254255375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to avoid it, and stop your opponent hitting it < 1254255379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quake - like earthquake? < 1254255381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd work too < 1254255383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that sort of stuff < 1254255386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if there are any movement-inversion stones, although you could script it with a monoflop < 1254255389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quake = reset all oxyds < 1254255395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch :D < 1254255398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1254255401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you do an earthquake? < 1254255404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :move all blocks left < 1254255406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :move all blocks right < 1254255410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other ideas: cracks (that cause the floor to weaken and eventually disappear), that's earthquake-like < 1254255411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(including balls and everything) < 1254255414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the player < 1254255416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapidly < 1254255419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a few seconds < 1254255423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also a few blocks instead of one, likely) < 1254255432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe make the player shake a bit to boot < 1254255442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh man, cracks would be great < 1254255447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if the ball goes in :D < 1254255452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tennis ball < 1254255459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would lose a life and respawn < 1254255467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I double-punned this into Enigmenace, but that doesn't mention tennis :P < 1254255470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit weird for tennis balls to lose life, but that's the way the game works... < 1254255472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enigmennis < 1254255491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: could it be rescripted so that the ball, as soon as it hits it, just disappears and you lose a point? < 1254255511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the end of the game, you have to wait a certain amount of time depending on the final score, too < 1254255513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to add to the time) < 1254255513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just give it infinite lives, that's pretty simple < 1254255524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i thought you meant respawn the whole player < 1254255528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, make it so you win when you're, say, 10 points up < 1254255537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1254255570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, you'd die if the player fell through a crack < 1254255578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so even a simple it_crack_s would be rather dangerous < 1254255582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if was set not to spread fast < 1254255644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you give the player infinite lives for that part? < 1254255649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1254255654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more fun: a life dispenser < 1254255657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, the player falling through the crack should count as a death, no? < 1254255660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere off the court, say < 1254255660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ha! < 1254255661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have time-out < 1254255662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1254255664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\ns/s/ < 1254255671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you had to neglect the game for a bit to stock up < 1254255674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in the time-outs, there's one of those things that chase you and kill you < 1254255680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, you could have a switch that fixed the floor < 1254255682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an extra sort of level thing < 1254255687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, this'll be great < 1254255879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the AI would have to be pretty good, though < 1254255883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it'd be easy < 1254255890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ooh, how about a block that connects you to the tennis ball? < 1254255897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, that connects the opponent to you < 1254255908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a switch that adds a rubberband? wouldn't be too hard < 1254255920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could have it happen when the opponent ran over a rubberband item < 1254255920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, the question is what sort of game mechanics it leads to < 1254255944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :improving the AI shouldn't be hard with the new API < 1254255950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which lets you do much more interesting things than the old one did < 1254255958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horrible, horrible idea: multiball mode! < 1254255975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leading to additional idea: Enigma pinball. < 1254255990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of that, but the flippers would be hard to do < 1254255995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you couldn't really see what was going on < 1254256003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't in some pinball games for dos, either < 1254256008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the scrolling mode < 1254256009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without some crazy messing about with primary actors and scroll modes; actually, I think I know how to do that) < 1254256120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick would be to set the pinball as the primary actor for the player, but make it uncontrollable < 1254256124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably using space or zero adhesion < 1254256128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, you wouldn't need other actors < 1254256136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for flippers, just put areas of controllable floor < 1254256231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put oxyds around the level? < 1254256261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in typical pinbally places, I suppose < 1254256272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main issue would be the lack of angled surfaces < 1254256287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, Enigmennis, with its horrible name, sounds like a more fun idea < 1254256291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without those it would look unrealistic and be hard to prevent the ball getting stuck < 1254256362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enigma should add networked multiplayer, I can see a lot of potential in both cooperative and competitive levels < 1254256374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like one where you need to move both the black and white balls at the same time to achieve something; cooperative < 1254256379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or enigmennis; competitive < 1254256482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they want to add networked multiplayer < 1254256491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently it's rather hard due to the way the code is structured < 1254256497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and lag could destroy it quite easily) < 1254256526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's already ways to set levels to work as networked multiplayer levels < 1254256529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no way to test the result < 1254256703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you can do an enigma level totally in lua with a shitty xml description file right? < 1254256721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a point-'n-click editor for laying out the basic structure? < 1254256762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you want anything that produces anything more recent than the 0.83 level format < 1254256766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 0.83 objects < 1254256774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1254256774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, the new Lua API is very good < 1254256784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I have to memorise silly symbols for the basic layout :) < 1254256786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the XML wrapper's a bit annoying < 1254256792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't memorise symbols < 1254256796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write your own list < 1254256796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you put the lua in a separate file? < 1254256807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think that might be worse < 1254256809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no < 1254256823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a look at the source for a simple level, like my Three Times Through < 1254256832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a list of tile definitions, followed by an ASCII art map of tiles < 1254256844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Garbage Collection? In a kernel module? < 1254256844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As someone who spends an inordinate amount of time staring at a spinning clock on a blackberry because *its* code is all written in garbage-collected Java, no thanks." < 1254256858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because a mobile with Java is totally comparable with GHC on a desktop. < 1254256872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC? in a kernel module? < 1254256878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tommd.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/kernel-modules-in-haskell/ < 1254256881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you betcha < 1254256889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thought you meant embedding the compiler < 1254256901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kghc would be kind-of fun, after all < 1254256906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(proof-of-concept of course; uses the House OS's ghc patch so it's ghc 6.8.2 which is years old; latest is 6.10.14) < 1254256912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've thought of making C-INTERCAL have a kernel module version just for the sheer ridiculousness < 1254256917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*6.10.4 < 1254256924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd run that on my laptop. No joke. < 1254256927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you can compile INTERCAL in your kernel! < 1254256941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I do that, I'd make it output kernel modules < 1254256947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, yeah, sane Ubuntu and all, but I *am* silly and my OS should reflect that. < 1254256949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, it would have to use a userspace C compiler as part of it < 1254256988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so happy to be using metacity instead of compiz < 1254256990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiz sucks. < 1254257005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I kind-of like compiz < 1254257009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on hardware where it works properly < 1254257015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks snazzy at first < 1254257018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one, it's unstable < 1254257020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when it doesn't clash with software < 1254257022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two, it places windows really terribly < 1254257024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, completely unusably < 1254257032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I normally have windows maximised < 1254257037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three, that fading of windows and menus gets tiring when you realise it makes you wait longer < 1254257061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it can either place windows in corners (retarded), center all of them (retarded), or cascade from the top-left regardless of the positions of existing windows (retarded) < 1254257068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metacity's is 1000x saner < 1254257084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it for keyboard shorcuts < 1254257098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like control-super-n to tell my music player to put up a notification about the name of the current track < 1254257108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wrote that shortcut, it isn't a default) < 1254257117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that got to do with compiz? < 1254257131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's compiz that implements the shortcut < 1254257143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you can do that without replacing your wm < 1254257177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I wonder how I record loopback in Audacity on linux < 1254257183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, record what's about to be sent to the speakers < 1254257303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Audacity's about dialog ends with the button "OK... Audacious!" < 1254257306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just imagine the developer there, going < 1254257313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how will people know audacity is something special? something different?" < 1254257320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we need to demonstrate that we're fun... and unconventional" < 1254257323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tap tap tap < 1254257330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set_label(okBtn, "OK... Audacious!"); < 1254257334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Perfect!" < 1254257371 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My version doesn't have the exclamation point there. < 1254257408 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Audacity also has a screenshot tool built-in. < 1254257426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what that means, someone came across that line < 1254257427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looked at it < 1254257428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considered it < 1254257431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :added an exclamation point < 1254257433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then moved on < 1254257441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE >_< < 1254257451 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1254257453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, fucking hell < 1254257456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really does have a screenshot tool < 1254257490 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "Blue Bkgnd" button in the screenshot tool. < 1254257505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2164436/2009-09/audacity-screenshot-tool.png < 1254257506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awful < 1254257519 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you take that screenshot with the tool? :p < 1254257536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what those black pixels in the top-right of that window are < 1254257536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, GNOME's :P < 1254257544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and told it to add the window shadow, because I was feeling fancy < 1254257551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I think the pixels around the edge are from the background; it's dropshadowing a rectangle < 1254257556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the window isn't rectangle < 1254257592 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My GTK is uglier, ha-ha: http://zem.fi/~fis/audacap.png < 1254257626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed it is. < 1254257633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine's the default Ubuntu 9.10 theme; quite appealing, < 1254257635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*appealing. < 1254257647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yours makes it look slightly more organised, though. < 1254257667 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's not a bad theme. Just quite sparse. < 1254257685 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the theme is something called "Mist". I played around with the GTK settings a bit, then mostly gave it up. < 1254257685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine's rather easier to differentiate widgets, though. < 1254257690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my font rendering is nicer. :P < 1254257695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's Mist. < 1254257718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's far better than some of the truly sinful KDE themes. < 1254257732 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got a bit unconventional-looking checkboxes; it just draws a smaller filled rectangle in the box, instead of an X. < 1254258219 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254258501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there a good level to copy the file of for lua-heavy stuff? < 1254258513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some template levels < 1254258528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's best to use a lua-light level and then add to it, I find < 1254258535 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as lua-heavy levels tend to be rather different in the heavy stuff < 1254258613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but I don't actually know any of the lua < 1254258798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the docs are pretty good < 1254258821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I sort of have an allergy to manual-format docs < 1254258824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ I/I/ < 1254258952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually Texinfo, I'm almost certain < 1254258965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a joke right < 1254259009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: VIII#8 - I have a feeling from the starting message that the solution to this level is going to (a) make me groan (b) be terribly nerdy < 1254259036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not a joke: it gives links Texinfo-style, and occasionally they mess it up and raw Texinfo gets into the docs < 1254259050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean documents in the writing style of a manual. < 1254259059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254259061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to, e.g. a series of tutorials (which I can tolerate if they're short). < 1254259076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the docs are about writing levels, I'd expect them to be manually < 1254259083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly manuals read like a list of "here's stuff we couldn't fit in elegantly, so we'll try and sort of connect them together into one huge essay" < 1254259087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as they describe the API, and the behaviour of every object in the game, etc < 1254259125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :API references, I can do. Tutorials, I can do. Examples dissected bit-by-bit, I can do. Pseudo-essays attempting to tie a bunch of dry prose about the facts, I can't do. < 1254259171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets better later on < 1254259228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read it; I was just defining what a manual is. :P < 1254259347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: VIII#43 aaaargh < 1254259359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1254259377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wtf@coffee in a meditation level) < 1254259412 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat65.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1254259417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi impomatic < 1254259433 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523 :-) < 1254259451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunaletly --VIII#70 < 1254259477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are too many levels like that one, unfortunately < 1254259484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :illmind obviously wrote t his < 1254259486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*this < 1254259493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hihi", bad grammar and spelling, ~foo~ < 1254259499 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much recent action on the BF Joust hill :-( < 1254259505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately not < 1254259512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Babylon? no, that was mecke, who has similar style < 1254259520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we're running out of BF Joust ideas < 1254259523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah < 1254259532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea: Enigma Joust. < 1254259540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, how would that work? < 1254259545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea; horribly < 1254259558 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would enigma map making be TC? < 1254259562 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not < 1254259568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1254259570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has Lua scripting < 1254259574 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1254259598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's TC even without, so long as something like a coin dispenser were implemetned < 1254259600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*implemented < 1254259613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use timings on coinslots as Minsky machine variables < 1254259757 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That actually sounds like some interesting limitations < 1254259898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wait, enigma levels can be tc on their own? < 1254259943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite, as it's hard to see how to get infinite storage < 1254259969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coinslots would work by storing unbounded numbers in time (assuming the engine can handle unbounded times, which I suspect it can't) < 1254259982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does deathbridge change under hard? < 1254259995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the glass is replaced by a solid deathstone, rather than vanishing < 1254260000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't shortcut by hitting it on the corner < 1254260021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :danger flag? < 1254260036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free extra life on easy < 1254260057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your starting square, so you basically just start with 3 of them rather than 2 < 1254260060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've even forgotten how to survive past losing your lives... < 1254260096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what... that one... is < 1254260105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one < 1254260122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a floppy thing in it, and crumbling tiles < 1254260126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a black background < 1254260139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1254260143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crumble behind you tiles < 1254260145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all crumbling tiles apart from, like, two safe spots < 1254260199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that one < 1254260203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second screen's nasty, though < 1254260204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it called? < 1254260210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember < 1254260328 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1254260639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1254260860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no idea? < 1254260874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1254260904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a quick shellscript using grep to scan for all levels containing both it_floppy and it_crack? < 1254260912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll be tons < 1254260913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, make that [-_] as the items were renamed) < 1254260937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IV#96 is really hard < 1254260981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ grep -rl 'it[-_]floppy' . | xargs grep -l 'it[-_]crack' | wc -l < 1254260982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 < 1254260993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, alright then < 1254260995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what directory? < 1254261012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 I know aren't there due to being in the wrong levelpacks < 1254261030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll run the others through less < 1254261059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "No Jumping Necessary" in Enigma I the one you're thinking of/ < 1254261064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the first one, which is nice < 1254261107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1254261109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the one you were? < 1254261118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254261159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rhapsody on Cracks" also fits your description, it seems (apart from the black background), but it isn't that one I was thinking of < 1254261170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Intel porting their Concurrent Collections library to Haskell" < 1254261179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is haskell still irrelevant? < 1254261296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will always be irrelevant, even when everyone in the world uses it < 1254261303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1254261370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I saw an interview with someone at Microsoft Research who said that Haskell was producing useful ideas for F#, which would eventually filter into C# < 1254261373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he was missing the point < 1254261397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he was advertising MS technologies. < 1254261406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, fair enough < 1254261417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, am I really turning into a cynical foss zealot :) < 1254261420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to force Haskell into anything else just seems wrong, though < 1254261433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you can be cynical without being a floss zealot < 1254261438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1254261440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm happy to be cynical all the time < 1254261459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, C# does an impressive job of not seeming like a hodge-podge with its functional features, but the only haskelly thing it has is LINQ < 1254261464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse, I'm both cynical /and/ idealistic, which is almost but not quite a contradiction < 1254261469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you can be cynical of Microsoft without being a zealot. < 1254261481 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft has done much to justify cynicism. < 1254261487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pI\Uffffffff pikhq --my IRC client < 1254261488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254261491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the \U displays as [X] < 1254261497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when tabbing pi < 1254261498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1254261499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1254261509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: true, but Haskell comes out of Microsoft Research, practically < 1254261523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spj, marlow, ... < 1254261561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to think Microsoft Research was funded by Microsoft to try to make them look good < 1254261566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, big reward, low cost < 1254261570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm no longer sure < 1254261574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: And Microsoft Research is quite different from the rest of Microsoft. "Do interesting things. Make it make our stuff better if you can." versus "PROFIT IS IMPERATIVE. COMPETITION DETECTED. EXTERMINATE!" < 1254261597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1254261597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might work at Microsoft Research, but never Microsoft < 1254261608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although MS research would probably force me to use windows < 1254261614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are given 1,000,000.00 < 1254261615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1254261615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Inbox X < 1254261615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1254261615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1254261615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reply < 1254261617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1254261619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| < 1254261621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :British 2009 Program < 1254261623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : to info < 1254261625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1254261627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show details 19:05 (2 hours ago) < 1254261629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1254261631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are given 1,000,000.00 Pounds by the British Telecom Promotion, Provide < 1254261633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your Name,Address,Occupation < 1254261635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, sorry for the spam < 1254261637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't look like that in gmail < 1254261641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the above is an example of (a) beautiful minimalist expression, (b) lottery spam < 1254261643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the whole email < 1254261649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You are given 1,000,000.00 Pounds by the British Telecom Promotion, Provide < 1254261649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your Name,Address,Occupation" < 1254261651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1254261653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lottery < 1254261655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1254261662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :british telecom, in promoting with their 2009 program, have given you a million pounds. < 1254261667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple. < 1254261674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you meant to reply to it? < 1254261679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to promote goodwill to their products, I guess. < 1254261679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to the email's reply address? < 1254261681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1254261687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from telecom58@9.cn < 1254261691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyword "58" < 1254261698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.cn is a suspiciously short domain name < 1254261703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hosted by Windows Live < 1254261709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a custom domain thing < 1254261719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to info@rog < 1254261722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want info@rog < 1254261814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, did you know that n@ai (or something) is a valid address? it's owned by an Ian, who is the tech guy for the NIC of that domain < 1254261818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact. < 1254261827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I did know that < 1254261845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly cause i mentioned it before < 1254261901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet that breaks loads of email validation regexen < 1254261911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost all < 1254261919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how cool is it to administer a root TLD? < 1254261926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you literally own the domain "ai" < 1254261928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ai. < 1254261931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1254261935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1254261957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever mainly administrates the root domain should give themselves @. < 1254261958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, e@. < 1254261965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for short (like you wouldn't say google.com.), e@ < 1254261982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or make it a symbol < 1254261983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!@. < 1254261988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only totally symbolic email address < 1254262002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1254262004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an empty one < 1254262008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is an empty email address valid? < 1254262009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't is it < 1254262012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, @domain.com < 1254262015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't we conclude it wasn't? < 1254262025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was < 1254262030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, though < 1254262035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anyway, your email would be @ < 1254262035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or @. < 1254262038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ would be a great email address if valid < 1254262045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally < 1254262048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From: Elliott Hird <@> < 1254262052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Organization: ICANN < 1254262053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it even possible to give the route domain an MX? < 1254262055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*root domain < 1254262076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`dig .` outputs an SOA record and nothing else < 1254262080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure what SOA is < 1254262085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, considering that it gives \ < 1254262092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/gives \\$/gives/ < 1254262093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. 1447 IN SOA A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. NSTLD.VERISIGN-GRS.COM. 2009092900 1800 900 604800 86400 < 1254262098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can almost certainly add things to it < 1254262135 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOA is "start-of-authority", but I don't see why you couldn't put other records there too. < 1254262164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... if . is a separator, then surely . cannot be the absolute root domain < 1254262168 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With -t any it also gives 13 NS records. < 1254262168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, it's empty . empty < 1254262176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what'st he empty after it? :D < 1254262263 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, obviously it has the name server records. < 1254262278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what's the < 1254262284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: http:// should be a valid website < 1254262290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, better in gopher < 1254262295 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "foo" generally stands for "foo.". < 1254262295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ dig -t any "" < 1254262295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dig: '' is not a legal name (unexpected end of input) < 1254262295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1254262361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's what I meant. < 1254262374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. is a separator, right? < 1254262381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the components of foo. are ["foo",""] < 1254262391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In conclusion: . isn't the absolute root domain; it's ["",""]. < 1254262393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1254262436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the massive politics surrounding adding an MX record to the root domain for personal use would be ridiculously huge, and you want to put an A record in there?! < 1254262446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or AAAA, or CNAME, whatever < 1254262460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it would be funny if it looked like one of those Windows help-on-first-run screens < 1254262463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Welcome to the Internet!" < 1254262475 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing after @ is either dot-atom or domain-literal. dot-atom expands to dot-atom-text. dot-atom-text expands to atext+ ('.' atext+). To get one character, one is left with atext and that can't expand to '.'. So dot-atom can't expand to '.'. This leaves domain-literal, but those are enclosed in '[]'. The stuff in middle is dcontent. Dcontent -> dtext and dtext includes '.' < 1254262496 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it would need to be in form '@[.]' < 1254262518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or, since it's at the end of every domain, one of those "you have reached the end of the internet" pages < 1254262529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be more like the start < 1254262612 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean "blah.com" is actually written "blah.com." in DNS messages and zone files and so on, so the . is a bit of a not-really-just-a-label-separator there too. < 1254262612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it's at the end of every domain! < 1254262633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, fizzie. < 1254262659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: sucks < 1254262665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, @[.] is a pretty awesome email < 1254262668 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Is 'foo@example.net' the same as 'foo@[example.net]'? < 1254262746 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite. < 1254262751 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not take into account MX records. < 1254262764 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1254262765 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the domain-literal form, the domain is interpreted as the literal Internet address of the particular host." < 1254262767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do instead? < 1254262778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't have an email in the root domain < 1254262779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254262793 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So sending to foo@[example.net] will not look for example.net's mail servers; it'll look for any A records for example.net, and send mail there. < 1254262825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1254262828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you gave . an A record < 1254262828 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ways domain mail receive capability can appear in DNS records: 1) MX record. 2) SRV record on SMTP 3) A record. 4) AAAA record. < 1254262831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have @[.] < 1254262881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, /this/ is why we need an A record for the root domain < 1254262920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure that's a good reason :D < 1254262924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1254262925 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.67.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254262931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it's a bad reason, which is the reason why it's a good idea < 1254263012 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. ac. has freaking A record! < 1254263051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ac/ < 1254263052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1254263059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ac./ is different though, huh < 1254263072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my browser goes to ac.com from that, which is parked < 1254263094 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that root servers don't report it... Hmm... < 1254263116 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has a legal disclaimer TXT record. < 1254263121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ac descriptive text "The AC zone file is protected under national and international law as a database compilation." < 1254263121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ac descriptive text "Access to the .AC Zone File information does not in itself convey any rights to any party to use, store, manipulate, such information without the explicit written consent of ICB plc, P.O.Box 4040 Christchurch, BH23 1XW, UK." < 1254263125 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But their authoritative NS does. < 1254263134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't store the results? < 1254263144 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, why should the root servers know anything else then NS records for 'ac'? < 1254263145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have added "cache" < 1254263167 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like .com nameservers would know what's the A record for example.com either. < 1254263198 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :af. has A record as well. ai. has MX and A! < 1254263199 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-127-161.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1254263200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who owns example.com, btw? < 1254263207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably someone's responsible for maintaining it < 1254263212 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IANA < 1254263222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1254263223 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC... < 1254263256 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Domain Name: EXAMPLE.COM < 1254263256 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Registrar: RESERVED-INTERNET ASSIGNED NUMBERS AUTHORITY < 1254263277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IANA IIRC OTOH IANAL BTW YHBT YHL HAND < 1254263320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be great if IANA stood for "I am not a" < 1254263322 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, AI. NS reports the MX record too... < 1254263322 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example.com will expire in 13-aug-2011; would be nice if they'd manage not to renew it. (But unlikely, since it's listed like so that they are the registrar, not just a regular owner.) < 1254263346 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as. also has an MX record. < 1254263370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best of all would be if the root domain got parked < 1254263377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but surely people will remember to renew that? < 1254263383 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently E-Mail addresses directly under TLDs are not just urban legends.... < 1254263396 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And tm. has an A record too. < 1254263405 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also SPF txt record. < 1254263496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can't exactly register . :P < 1254263498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I told you that < 1254263503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n@ai or i@an or similar < 1254263505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget whicj < 1254263507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*which < 1254263532 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a web server in the "tm." address, but I can't get my Firefox to go there, it just goes to www.tm.com even if I type the full "http://tm/". < 1254263538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what's the chance at least one registrar will give you the chance to monitor . so as to be notified when its registration expires? < 1254263563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :67% < 1254263564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1254263645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1254263770 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254263771 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: At least links2 could work (http://example complains about host not found). < 1254264021 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If its one of those two, it must be n@ai since an. isn't mail-capable. < 1254264247 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254264420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back. < 1254264426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: yeah, I think it was n@ai < 1254264559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wait, so person A always lies on opposite day if person B, who always not tells the untruth, reveals a goat behind door 2 and person A says they will unswitch the complex conjugate of their answer because person C always tells a clown joke when person A tells the opposite of the unlie, right?" < 1254264568 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what i want to know is, was it a _friendly_ n@ai? < 1254264576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1254264588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sounds like an esolang < 1254264683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, it was their mother < 1254264716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1254264850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the doctor, unless there was an untruth i missed < 1254264967 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1254264977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but what i want to know is, was it a _friendly_ n@ai?" is what i mean < 1254264980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joke on ai? < 1254265023 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask oerjan that in -60 seconds from now < 1254265043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, just retroactively edit one of your previous posts < 1254265059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why do you keep referencing internet forums, it makes me sad because they all suck < 1254265082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1254265089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1254265109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, which one do I reference < 1254265116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not which one sucks < 1254265124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"forums" < 1254265127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general < 1254265135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like editing posts, topic locking, etc :P < 1254265174 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing's wrong with that kind of humour < 1254265185 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the forums discussion, though < 1254265193 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stickys the topic < 1254265199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: because IRC has a sufficient lack of equivalents that I had to use a slightly warped analogy < 1254265223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, but it's upsetting because editing posts is the worst thing ever dreamt of :P < 1254265228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the IRC equivalent to stickying would be setting a join message in ChanServ, or changing the topic < 1254265235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it depends on the forum < 1254265246 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the topic is already always on the top < 1254265248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over on mag-heut it works pretty well, but that's because of the way mag-heut works < 1254265254 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess unstickying would be harder < 1254265262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversation is linear, reading is linear, it's so easily abused, and it encourages not thinking before you post < 1254265287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, unless it's correcting a typo, it'll inevitably lead to confusion with regards to the following posts; and does that typo REALLY matter so much? < 1254265417 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254265827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254266813 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254267738 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later"