< 1254700821 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1254700867 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001323R
< 1254700912 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :open box = returned = shit's probably fucked
< 1254700972 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1254701031 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the record, cheapest 24" ips = http://www.amazon.com/LP2475W-24in-LCD-Monitor-1920X1200/dp/B001FS1LLI/)
< 1254701076 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiiight
< 1254701094 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a wee bit expensive
< 1254701117 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an abacus is way cheaper than a computer
< 1254701120 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit crappy for computing, though.
< 1254701363 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Touch-T260-25-5-inch-Monitor/dp/B0019ASAY8/ref=sr_1_27?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1254697590&sr=1-27
< 1254701419 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't even mention the resolution, lol
< 1254701433 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 1920*1200
< 1254701440 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 25.5?
< 1254701441 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really low dpi
< 1254701447 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :24" 1920x1200 is only 94ppi already
< 1254701460 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :88.79 ppi, yikes...
< 1254701468 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so?
< 1254701470 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even old, really crappy monitors are 84 ppi
< 1254701486 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood_: so you'll see the pixel grid all the time and it looks like shit, I know because I have one lying around
< 1254701501 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, everything looks bigger which makes it feel like you're using 800x600
< 1254701583 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, pretty sure their marketing blurb about light translates to "lol glossy shit".
< 1254701635 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later"
< 1254701813 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this monitor here is only 86
< 1254701843 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254701869 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood_: so if your monitor is a paragon of excellence why are you buyng a new one :P
< 1254701871 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*buying
< 1254701879 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz it's tiny
< 1254701913 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the SGU theme music reminds me of your Op. 11 :D
< 1254701970 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shitting Gonad Urethras isn't something you should be proud of watching, coppro.
< 1254704579 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silence
< 1254704621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
< 1254704982 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait coppro what
< 1254704984 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the SGU theme?
< 1254704985 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1254705260 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think im into copprophilia
< 1254705268 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmi tmi tmi TMI
< 1254705278 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1254705282 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just talkin bout coppro!
< 1254705290 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't need to know about your love of copp- dammit
< 1254705309 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D
< 1254706059 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254706281 0 :boily!n=boily@dsl-67-230-154-58.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254706913 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: yes, the SGU theme :)
< 1254706926 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you has link to gregor's op 11?
< 1254706962 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/music/GRegor-op11.ogg
< 1254707005 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically the scales in the middle parts
< 1254707066 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the SGU theme?
< 1254707133 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know; I heard it listening to SGU
< 1254707138 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*watching SGU
< 1254707185 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't SGA still going on?
< 1254707205 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, Stargate Atlantis
< 1254707213 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the correct way to abbreviate that?
< 1254707269 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1254707289 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ended in January, says my magic Wikipedophile powers.
< 1254707304 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254707360 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a film planned, though, straight to DVD like the ark of truth and continuum.
< 1254707374 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, SGA ended
< 1254707407 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION must find a way to watch The IT Crowd season 3
< 1254707415 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thepiratebay.org
< 1254707462 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably without torrents
< 1254707477 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitraryrequirementsatisfactionzone.ridiculous
< 1254707512 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surfthechannel.com
< 1254707512 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1254707576 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty augur
< 1254707594 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet, lower quality, buffering and in many cases just as illegal
< 1254707602 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what more could you *possibly* want
< 1254707657 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't "feel" as illegal
< 1254707671 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet, tell that to the judge
< 1254707704 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving"
< 1254707708 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I know she's 13, but officer, it didn't FEEL illegal!"
< 1254707806 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird
< 1254707808 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with you
< 1254707812 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd feel very illegal
< 1254707833 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 14 actually.
< 1254707836 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;|
< 1254707843 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1254707854 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough!
< 1254707891 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Are you saying I prerippedoff SGU? :P
< 1254707911 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: are you trying to talk to coppro?
< 1254707929 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, yes.
< 1254707942 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor, did you write op 11 yourself, or is this an algo?
< 1254707945 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Not that close together; just similar
< 1254707968 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: You're either calling me a friggin' amazing programmer, or a terrible composer.
< 1254707975 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh snap
< 1254707976 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take your pick!
< 1254708006 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The autocomposed music all has titles. Furthermore, the titles are all of the form <adverb> <adjective> <style of music>
< 1254708019 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1254708019 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1254708022 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not bad you know
< 1254708068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :badly messed-up samba
< 1254708077 0 :User114!n=User@ool-457843d4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254708097 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi User114
< 1254708117 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your name is original and unique.
< 1254708119 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to the other 79
< 1254708125 0 :User114!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit
< 1254708128 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1254708129 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :78
< 1254708130 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tragic :P
< 1254708130 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wll
< 1254708132 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*well
< 1254708135 0 :LadyT!n=LadyT@ool-457843d4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254708172 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More original and unique.
< 1254708249 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LadyT: wherefrom comesforth you
< 1254708265 0 :LadyT!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connecticut
< 1254708286 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced that "wherefrom" or "comesforth" are real (even antiquated) words :P
< 1254708299 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor
< 1254708304 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should keep working on Op 11
< 1254708308 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has great potential
< 1254708314 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on a string quartet of it.
< 1254708314 0 :LadyT!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah, a bit theatrical
< 1254708334 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: see, if they're here for the esoterick magick, they'll take it as normal
< 1254708338 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, they'll point it out
< 1254708342 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my secret super-efficient detection system
< 1254708347 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: Well aren't ye clevar.
< 1254708348 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you just ruined it :|
< 1254708348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: ooh, subtle
< 1254708357 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: It's what I do.
< 1254708368 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of Jim in Darths & Droids
< 1254708372 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to learn piano so i can play art of the fugue
< 1254708384 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently people to play it really well
< 1254708388 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Then learn to play the harpsichord :P
< 1254708390 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to be capable of separating out the voices
< 1254708403 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can actually modify each voice independent
< 1254708547 0 :LadyT261!n=LadyT@ool-457843d4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254708555 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this is just ridiculous
< 1254708562 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LadyT261: quick! what is the purpose of this channel?
< 1254708564 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LadyT seems to be cloning.
< 1254708598 0 :LadyT261!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cloning?
< 1254708647 0 :LadyT261!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got punted ... now have this 261 added to my nickname
< 1254708667 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your other nick is still here...
< 1254708681 0 :LadyT261!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very new to IRC ... i don't understand why
< 1254708691 0 :LadyT261!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was disconnected
< 1254708705 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LadyT261: quick! what is the purpose of this channel? :|
< 1254708706 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :part two
< 1254708713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad connections happen
< 1254708726 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_ is so suspicious
< 1254708737 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm quite picious
< 1254708746 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define picious
< 1254708758 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urk, no bot
< 1254708768 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too lazy to figure out why HackEgo keeps d/cing.
< 1254708785 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LadyT261: let me simplify. esoterica or esolangs
< 1254708790 0 :LadyT261!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird seems to be on the list twice as well, once with an underscore and the other not
< 1254708797 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the other one is my ghost.
< 1254708799 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally
< 1254708802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1254708804 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird
< 1254708806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y helo dar
< 1254708825 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.82.41 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254708833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1254708834 0 :LadyT261!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be esoterica cause i don't know what esolangs w
< 1254708835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1254708851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LadyT261: programming. did you flinch or smile at that previous sentence
< 1254708855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i cannot make this any simpler)
< 1254708860 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl
< 1254708905 0 :LadyT261!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give it up ehird ... =D
< 1254708916 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Incidentally, the string quartet version of this could be subtitled "Making cellists everywhere hate Gregor"
< 1254708926 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1254708946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LadyT261: ok, if you're here for esoteric programming languages you're in the right place, if not, wrong place
< 1254708954 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the arpeggios in the left hand go to the cello (more-or-less unavoidable)
< 1254708959 0 :LadyT261!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird:  shall I pay the $200 so that I may pass GO
< 1254708966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what.
< 1254708972 0 :LadyT261!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1254708983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm pretty sure you have a monopoly on incomprehension right now indeed
< 1254708988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now now, let's not monopolize this situation
< 1254708992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan
< 1254708998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did it better :|
< 1254709009 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did NOT
< 1254709009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LadyT261: #esoteric = programming languagse
< 1254709015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LadyT261 = in #esoteric
< 1254709019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*languages
< 1254709132 0 :LadyT261466!n=LadyT@ool-457843d4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254709143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooooooooooo
< 1254709148 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok _now_ this gets ridiculous :D
< 1254709157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LadyT261466: this channel has still not strayed from the topic of programming languages with your reconnection :P
< 1254709161 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it occurs to me that without BitTorrent, I'm not actually providing the copyrighted materials myself
< 1254709178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :downloading is equally illegal.
< 1254709180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well it wasn't really _on_ it to begin with you know
< 1254709181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the US
< 1254709236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs LadyT261466 will a rusty fork
< 1254709249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am left with no alternatives
< 1254709251 0 :LadyT261466!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch!
< 1254709256 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems unnecessary.
< 1254709264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just don't understand economics, Gregor
< 1254709267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fork economics
< 1254709287 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LadyT261466: if your nick goes on adding digits like this, you'll go over the length limit
< 1254709297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LadyTRex
< 1254709304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst dinosaur comics spinoff ever
< 1254709315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it exists? O_o
< 1254709317 0 :LadyT261466!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird:  you need some meds ... relax
< 1254709326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no :P
< 1254709359 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LadyT261466: he's probably just tired, it's 2 AM where he is...
< 1254709365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually perfectly relaxed :P
< 1254709407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you still need some meds, any doctor would bet
< 1254709415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1254709422 0 :LadyT261466!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx oerjan - i am hanging around cause i use to be in the industry a very long time ago
< 1254709429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the industry?
< 1254709440 0 :LadyT261466!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming dear ...
< 1254709447 0 :LadyT261466!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMS DB2
< 1254709466 0 :LadyT261466!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left after the millenium problem
< 1254709467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is probably of the esoteric variety albeit likely unintentionally...
< 1254709467 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yowsa, DB2
< 1254709478 0 :LadyT261466!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah ... very long time ago
< 1254709487 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a pattern
< 1254709491 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the lady's numbers
< 1254709502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the fibonocci sequence
< 1254709502 0 :LadyT261466!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so was interested is seeing what the new stuff is about
< 1254709511 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no its not
< 1254709517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, our stuff is new, but it isn't exactly designed to be sane...
< 1254709522 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i think we would have to ask a numerologist, and that would be the wrong kind of esoteric
< 1254709530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...esoteric programming language = language deliberately designed to be awkward and of no practical use
< 1254709535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: fibonocci!
< 1254709542 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, i disagree with that definition
< 1254709548 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is more like a tarpit than anything
< 1254709565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show me an esolang designed to be easy to use and of practical use
< 1254709570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'll show you something that isn't an seolang
< 1254709572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*esolang
< 1254709587 0 :LadyT!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1254709597 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna say haskell but then i realized its not easy to use or of practical use e.e
< 1254709597 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: no a tarpit must be minimalistic too
< 1254709607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: intel uses it, QED
< 1254709616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway haskell isn't an esolang
< 1254709620 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt mean its easy to use or practical!
< 1254709640 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i enjoy the fact that the lambda calculus cannot be said to have types. :T
< 1254709641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obviously practical because it's used by various companies for practical purposes, and has been shown to excel at such applications
< 1254709997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silence
< 1254710228 0 :LadyT261!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1254710329 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, timidity's freepats have the QUIETEST friggin' violins ever.
< 1254710342 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I literally cannot hear them at all.
< 1254710351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An esoteric programming language is a language deliberately designed to be bizarre, with complete disregard for ease of use or practicality.
< 1254710354 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless they're playing alone)
< 1254710416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: basically what i said :P
< 1254710489 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Pretty much.
< 1254710776 0 :LadyT261466!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 105 (No buffer space available)
< 1254711514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lady's client sux
< 1254713074 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have seen the "E-Mail address validator regexp"? Well, something much worse: Luhn algorithm as regexp. Only ~171TB (if I got the FA-to-regexp conversion right). :->
< 1254713120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the email validator is wrong, only handles 6 depths of nested comnents
< 1254713121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*comments
< 1254713132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: where did you get 171T(i)B of storage?
< 1254713179 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calculated its length using dynamic programming techniques (I also wrote program that starts spewing that regexp to stdout).
< 1254713199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write a program that executes it using an incremental regexp engine of some sort.
< 1254713207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask Cray for a CPU fast enough :-)
< 1254713312 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This computer can spew that regexp out only at about half a meg per second... :-/
< 1254713365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language? I'm happy to run it on this 2.16GHz Core 2 Duo... not exactly a monster machine, but presumably rather faster.
< 1254713378 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lua
< 1254713388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: With that machine-code-JIT I hope...
< 1254713396 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No JIT.
< 1254713417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Why on earth?
< 1254713431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it just a matter of running luajit instead of lua?
< 1254713448 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't have that installed...
< 1254713467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's slightly below competitive with C performance, so that should help immensely.
< 1254713473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in benchmarks.
< 1254713479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more like 4x faster than Lua in practice, iirc.
< 1254713508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's in boring "typical" code. Something number-crunching, much more x, I bet.
< 1254713533 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program first computes recursive table representation of the regexp (takes ~0.02s) and then starts to recursively walking that table and spewing stuff out.
< 1254713576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want I'll install luajit and give it a go. Not sure how to measure how fast it's going, though.
< 1254713726 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speeds measured by piping output to dd of=/dev/null and then SIGUSR1 after a while.
< 1254713741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's simple enough.
< 1254713818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm an FSA for that would only have 20 states, right?
< 1254713834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird that it would blow up so much...
< 1254713845 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epsilon-NFA with 21 states was used as starting point.
< 1254713849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: show the code?
< 1254713860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NFA?
< 1254713886 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nondeterministic Finite Automata.
< 1254713899 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why in the world would it be nondeterministic
< 1254713951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what NFAs are
< 1254713978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean, i don't see why that algorithm would give a nondeterministic automaton
< 1254714003 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if you parse from the right
< 1254714039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need to track the sum mod 10 and position even-/oddness afaict
< 1254714060 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1593593
< 1254714128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1254714131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gratuitous semicolon syndrome
< 1254714197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION builds luajit
< 1254714202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ljit_dasm.c:35:2: error: #error "No support for this architecture (yet)"
< 1254714205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what; x86_64?
< 1254714220 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: ok, that looks deterministic to me
< 1254714223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds -m32
< 1254714278 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It isn't. State 1 can transition without input to either 2 or 12...
< 1254714315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.  i think that's only because you parse from the left...
< 1254714322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory
< 1254714325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr...
< 1254714328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know whether the position is odd or even to start with
< 1254714337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not making a fucking 32 bit chroot
< 1254714342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry Ilari, 's gonna have to be regular lua
< 1254714348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do it from the right, that will be unnecessary
< 1254714407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@ehird-desktop:~/NIH$ lua luhn.lua | dd of=/dev/null
< 1254714407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^C38624+0 records in
< 1254714407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :38624+0 records out
< 1254714407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19775488 bytes (20 MB) copied, 16.7148 s, 1.2 MB/s
< 1254714407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lua: (error with no message)
< 1254714427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's with X11 running GNOME, a Gecko-based web browser, gnome-terminal, xchat-gnome and tons of shit that I have no idea in the backgroun
< 1254714442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*background
< 1254714460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not really much better than yours, but i imagine your setup is rather more minimal
< 1254714521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: any way to make it dual-core?
< 1254714536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess not
< 1254714825 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The algorithm is just plain serial.
< 1254714828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I think I'll rewrite your program in C
< 1254714831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be simple enough
< 1254714941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: why did you use strings in translen btw?
< 1254714971 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It was modified from program that computed lengths. So translen name remained.
< 1254714981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant the elements
< 1254715029 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its regex-automata. The FA-to-regex algo starts by reinterpreting the FA as regex-automata.
< 1254715047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i just don't see why "1" instead of 1
< 1254715052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess more convenient to print in lua
< 1254715100 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are among the leaf nodes of expression tree it constructs.
< 1254715118 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or more like trie...
< 1254715152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to rewrite the algo verbatim due to not bothering to understand it
< 1254715166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it the parallel table is used as a 2d array?
< 1254715178 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1254715259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, fixed length of bools
< 1254715306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21x21. right
< 1254715526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm lua has 1-based indices doesn't it, this will truly be fun to translate
< 1254715701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: with s there, won't this thing eventually run out of memory?
< 1254715710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the ever bigger and bigger strings kept in memory
< 1254715765 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, not only is DS broken on future Windows versions, it will also be broken in future Ubuntu versions
< 1254715773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1254715791 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more  lib-gtk-1.2
< 1254715812 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discussion ongoing in Sine
< 1254715842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym libgtk-1.2
< 1254715847 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: DS as in?
< 1254715847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so what
< 1254715851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just build gtk 1.2
< 1254715853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved
< 1254715857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you could even make a ppa
< 1254715859 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, Docking Station
< 1254715867 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm?
< 1254715882 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://creatures.wikia.com/wiki/Docking_Station
< 1254716072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, let's see... I believe you can calculate the length of s before making it
< 1254716084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by doing the logical calculations first... oh, I had better store the length of strings with them in trans
< 1254716247 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaargh... The algo has mistake in it. It prints S12, but it should print S12(S22)*
< 1254716257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple fix or?
< 1254716265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've mostly done the tables, hope it isn't those that change :P
< 1254716296 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that algo computes both S12 and S22
< 1254716384 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that still wouldn't be correct if there was non-null S11 or S21, but both of those are null.
< 1254716476 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nifty: If one inverses the i to count down from 21 to 3 (instead of going up from 3 to 21), the regex size drops to ~16.6MB :-/
< 1254716483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1254716499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like the paper spawning Graham's Number; upper bound G64, lower bound 6.
< 1254716505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out closer to 6.
< 1254716518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheesh, and I was all translating.
< 1254716534 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be easy change (at least it is in original code).
< 1254716547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but if it's only 16 meg... :-)
< 1254716553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought being that big was fishy.
< 1254716572 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There may be even better orders resulting even smaller regexps.
< 1254716600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly it needs bruteforcing.
< 1254716673 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like Genetic Algorithm. 121 645 100 408 832 000 choices for order...
< 1254716694 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not hard to be closer to 6 than to G64
< 1254716712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's around 10
< 1254716713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1254716715 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost half of all numbers between the two managed it!
< 1254716715 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think the optimal order might indeed be the reverse oder.
< 1254716753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lower bound was later improved by Exoo[2003], who showed the solution to be at least 11, and provided experimental evidence suggesting that it is at least 12. Thus, the best known bounding estimate for the solution N* is 11 ≤ N* ≤ G, where G is Graham's number.
< 1254716827 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in other words, statistically, it's more likely closer to G than to 6
< 1254716941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I read that the current guess is that it's low
< 1254716953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, very low
< 1254716961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may be misremembering
< 1254716999 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matching the string right-to-left produces regex about half the size of left-to-right regex (~171MB with increasing i, ~8.3MB with decreasing i).
< 1254717040 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*~171TB
< 1254717053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah i knew it!
< 1254717058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said that before
< 1254717063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except 11 instead of 8 iirc
< 1254717069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: filebin.ca the 8 meg regexp?
< 1254717117 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scanning has encountered a problem from which it cannot recover. Here are the problem details: Error getting scan progress.
< 1254717276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1254717291 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254717852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol i defined a manifold of oklopol
< 1254718026 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a smooth manifold
< 1254718051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has no properties
< 1254718073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the property of having no property
< 1254718095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unmathematical
< 1254718126 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the very opposite of a complex, analytical manifold
< 1254718126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is SO fucking mathematical
< 1254718131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah but it is those
< 1254718134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't those
< 1254718135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUM
< 1254718234 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*analytic
< 1254718247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anapittic
< 1254718258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wittgenstein was totally metal.
< 1254718264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was not human, he was metal
< 1254718274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :carbon based lifeform, metal, what is the difference really.
< 1254718289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nietzsche, on the other hand, was dynamite
< 1254718352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :einstein was in fact made out of hitlerium, an element censored from the periodic table; it is only present in the continuous table
< 1254718373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although some recommend the periodic chair as a well-structured alternative to both
< 1254718374 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently carbon is considered a metal in cosmology
< 1254718406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Galois was actually a buckminsterfullerene.
< 1254718485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, carbon based
< 1254718494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep.
< 1254718552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :euler had a condition where he could only remember vague details about people and not to any great extent, no matter what the person. this lead to the common joke of the time, "Euler? I 'ardly know 'er!"
< 1254718559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets up anti-swatting forcefield
< 1254718634 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :euler knew 'er well, actually, being he had 13 children
< 1254718681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible novelty rap idea: euler pimpin'
< 1254718851 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D xkcd
< 1254718862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your opinion is almost certainly  false.
< 1254718866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*certainly false
< 1254718882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that was mildly amusing
< 1254718893 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm*
< 1254718904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i note that my brain must be adjusting my expectations for xkcd, because i didn't even smile or chuckle internally.
< 1254718908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nor externally)
< 1254718920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats the last one.
< 1254718922 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tickles ehird 
< 1254718952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that line was funnier than the whole xkcd, which is saying something
< 1254718976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one comic that is, not the whole of xkcd, which used to be great.
< 1254719201 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: But it pales in comparison to QWANTZ!!!
< 1254719248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say xkcd used to be as good as Dinosaur Comics, just different. As in: as good, but on a different metric.
< 1254719256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays, no competition. <3 qwantz
< 1254719445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Qwantz.
< 1254719472 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wurve Dinosaur Comics, I give it more than 3. >3 qwantz
< 1254719478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1254719522 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/music/Op11/GRegor-op11-StringQuartet-wipp1.ogg why do I keep doing these things? Yet another (partially-completed) piece I will never actually hear.
< 1254719623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not
< 1254719632 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I am not a string quartet.
< 1254719652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a string quartet could play it
< 1254719661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives Gregor several more arms and the ability to play string instruments
< 1254719672 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I have neither the skill, connections or money to make such an eventuality come to pass.
< 1254719680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else could spontaneously compose it
< 1254719681 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's right, I have neither of those three things.
< 1254719686 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1254719695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, virtual string quartet technology could reach a high point.
< 1254719736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I have a T-Rex is Lonely submission.
< 1254719747 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comics, title, alt text.
< 1254719757 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, contributor name/pseudonym
< 1254719825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :820,716; Uhh I'll have to think; something along the lines of "some things are just too awesome to let sinister robot clones get in the way"? I don't know, I'm a munger, not a title text author! You need committees for this stuff; ehird
< 1254719831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/imgs/dinosaurComic.php?panels=5,5&comics=820,716&strip uber-convenient linkomatron
< 1254719860 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: There's somebody else talking.
< 1254719866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crap
< 1254719868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even notice that
< 1254719869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1254719882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :photoshop the dialog line to t-rex, it works just as well! or don't.
< 1254719899 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate rejecting the there's-somebody-eelse-talking-who-isn't-really-plot-relevant-for-the-munge-but-kinda-ruins-the-whole-T-Rex-being-lonely-thing ones.
< 1254719909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eelse?
< 1254719913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that "somebody else, who is an eel"?
< 1254719919 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1254719923 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eels are OK.
< 1254719930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the t-rex-is-lonely thing makes the second panel funnier
< 1254719935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eelse the naughty eel
< 1254719940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bold text being equivalent to "DURING THE NIGHT NOTHING HAPPENED:"
< 1254719949 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1254719954 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO AWESOME!
< 1254720008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last week the world's pink banana supplies were depleted.
< 1254720028 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down to ... ZERO?!
< 1254720040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. Every single pink banana supply in existence was emptied.
< 1254720047 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN.
< 1254720061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, all the anti-gravity gorillas invaded Poland.
< 1254720080 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear every one in existence at the time was in the prime minister of Poland's personal sex-toy collection at the time anyway.
< 1254720099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest an ersatz of ordinary bananas covered in pink elephant hide
< 1254720111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That doesn't work; it has to be a statement about all the members of an empty set
< 1254720115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it's false
< 1254720134 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ... it is a statement about all members of an empty set.
< 1254720140 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The set of pink bananas.
< 1254720141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, true.
< 1254720154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear all the residents of the city in the Queen of England's vagina had a protest about it.
< 1254720163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sometimes I wonder what sort of brain I have to come up with concepts like that.)
< 1254720186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for personal sex-toy collection, i'd suspect the president more than the prime minister
< 1254720261 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing of Poland's government, except that it's probably neither fascism nor an anarchosyndicalist commune.
< 1254720301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THUS MAKING IT INHERENTLY UNINTERESTING
< 1254720302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the president and prime minister used to be twins
< 1254720317 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they gave the prime minister the boot, the president is still there
< 1254720323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd totally go live in a fascist anarchosyndicalist commune
< 1254720338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all the paradoxical architecture.
< 1254720351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear it's basically one big mc escher painting
< 1254720370 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, until you notice the tentacles
< 1254720375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1254720420 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wonder we keep forgetting about it.
< 1254720454 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaczynski
< 1254720474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exercise: order those by craziness
< 1254720491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Theodore Kaczynski probably comes in at the top...
< 1254720508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not be too sure of that
< 1254720510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[David Kaczynski (born October 3, 1949) is the Executive Director of New Yorkers For Alternatives to the Death Penalty,[1] and the brother of the "Unabomber" Theodore Kaczynski.]]
< 1254720512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[He is also a practicing Buddhist and is a vegetarian.]]
< 1254720513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the irony
< 1254720519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1254720542 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can every famous person of that name have been born within a decade of each other :P
< 1254720552 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, 12 years)
< 1254720556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because PIRATES
< 1254720668 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i theorize they are actually aliens who got stranded here after that roswell crash
< 1254720995 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor
< 1254721013 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be interested in these books that i got off gigapedia
< 1254721016 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Why do you always highlight me before actually typing the message? :P
< 1254721020 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about music structure
< 1254721021 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor
< 1254721025 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i like to
< 1254721025 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1254721033 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the vocative, ok
< 1254721046 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if english still had a function vocative, id use it
< 1254721050 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O' GREGOR
< 1254721066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregarious vocative
< 1254721075 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1254721089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's annoying btw
< 1254721097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we just see you as saying "name" to us
< 1254721099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then nothing
< 1254721106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in our highlight notifier thingummies.
< 1254721106 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird
< 1254721112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you
< 1254721114 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1254721124 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIME NOW FOR SLEEP.
< 1254721130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomgz.
< 1254721135 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait gregor D:
< 1254721136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes
< 1254721143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: don't you mean
< 1254721144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor
< 1254721145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait D:
< 1254721158 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUMOROUSLY
< 1254721161 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN YOUR ATTEMPT TO MOCK ME
< 1254721165 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HAVE DONE WHAT YOU MOCK ME FOR
< 1254721173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS CALLED PARODY DICKWIPE
< 1254721181 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually its called irony
< 1254721181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur
< 1254721181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("DICKWIPE" IS NOT SENSEMAKING)
< 1254721185 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP SHOUTING
< 1254721191 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WERE NOT SHOUTING
< 1254721194 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WERE TALKING IN FORTRAN
< 1254721204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were not shouting isn't grammatically correct, you know.
< 1254721212 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What am I waiting for?
< 1254721217 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor, theres this book composing music with computers, and cognition of basic musical structures, that you might be interested in
< 1254721223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: LOVE
< 1254721223 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Titles?
< 1254721224 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :books*
< 1254721227 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: money
< 1254721228 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are them sir
< 1254721241 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, indeed they are.
< 1254721243 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, power
< 1254721247 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't recognize that as I'm too tired to think.
< 1254721250 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to that end, *sleep*
< 1254721250 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes it is grammatically correctly. it just doesnt have punctuation that you want.
< 1254721259 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may look tomorrow.
< 1254721260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammatically correctly?
< 1254721264 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, ehird, i dont care about your need for punctuation.
< 1254721266 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT YOUR FACE
< 1254721267 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>|
< 1254721272 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking priming
< 1254721276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if you're going to ignore the laws of the english language, I'm going to interpret it how I want as you give no reference point
< 1254721281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what?
< 1254721283 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUFFIX AUFNAHME, GOD.
< 1254721284 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1254721284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did WHAT to the banana?
< 1254721287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fucking gross, man
< 1254721294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you raped that three-year-old.
< 1254721296 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not ignoring the laws of the english language
< 1254721302 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im ignoring the laws of english orthography.
< 1254721319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is part of the english language; wait, what did I say?
< 1254721319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1254721323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind, weird tic there
< 1254721324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1254721325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur
< 1254721327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get mental help
< 1254721331 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no, orthography is not part of the language
< 1254721333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're fucking deranged doing that to a new-born baby and a gorilla
< 1254721335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the same time
< 1254721338 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its part of a cultural convention to record the language.
< 1254721348 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am more intimately familiar with the laws of the english language than you ever will be and dont make me prove it! >O
< 1254721349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? you have an urge to bomb the usa?
< 1254721352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, I'll just call the fbi
< 1254721355 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sneakily removes ehird's anti-swatting forcefield
< 1254721362 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh
< 1254721362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts it back up
< 1254721366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew
< 1254721367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in time
< 1254721375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn
< 1254721375 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Star handing out parse trees.
< 1254721376 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT YOU DIDNT PUT UP YOUR ANTI PENIS FORCEFIELD
< 1254721379 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1254721383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star handing? What?
< 1254721390 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start, even.
< 1254721392 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i could hand out parse trees. this is an idea.
< 1254721393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muphry's law.
< 1254721405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you'd need to hand out parse trees of your parse trees
< 1254721407 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i should instead start demanding he explain island constraints
< 1254721408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise there's the same problem
< 1254721409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOPS
< 1254721412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need fixed point parse trees
< 1254721448 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kid probably doesnt even KNOW what an island constraint even IS! :|
< 1254721468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest constraining this to greenland
< 1254721486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then maybe you'll cool down
< 1254721490 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, dont get all snooty that greenland just declared independence
< 1254721492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Make those parse trees be in sexp notation. I highly doubt he will claim not to know sexps. :P
< 1254721505 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe sex
< 1254721507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: er, that's a little of an overstatement
< 1254721519 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan youd better shut up
< 1254721532 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise the glorious armies of the greenlandic empire will crush you
< 1254721554 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have enough people for a glorious army
< 1254721592 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: itd be difficult to do that tho i think. a lot of contemporary parse trees also involve movement, which is tricky to denote without actual tree diagrams
< 1254721661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Yeah, natural languages *are* quite a bit less well-suited to such notation as "sexps". Bit of a pain.
< 1254721680 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some people think otherwise, but alas, they are silly.
< 1254721704 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why we have Ithkuil
< 1254721726 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ithkuil is all morphology
< 1254721735 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and almost no syntax
< 1254721741 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and certainly no real syntax
< 1254721766 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have great respect for quijada, but he, like most conlangers, neglects syntax
< 1254721772 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably for lack of understanding.
< 1254721800 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of all the overt parts of language, syntax is by far the most mysterious and complicated.
< 1254721811 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morphology maybe less so, depending on your view of its relation to syntax
< 1254721818 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that legal systems really need access to things like patch and diff.
< 1254721829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Article 7 shall be amended as follows:
< 1254721829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) throughout the Article, the word "assent" shall be replaced by "consent", the reference to breach "of principles mentioned in Article 6(1)" shall be replaced by a reference to breach "of the values referred to in Article 2" and the words "of this Treaty" shall be replaced by "of the Treaties";'
< 1254721850 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: thats too sensible a thing to have.
< 1254721852 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: there was a /. article about that today
< 1254721854 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is so very... Hard to grok what it's doing.
< 1254721867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agora is better-organised than the law.
< 1254721876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, so is B.
< 1254721909 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora doesn't use diff, Agora uses whatever bloody means we feel like of specifying amendments
< 1254721912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night"
< 1254721921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora, too, could probably use diff or patch. But it seems much less necessary.
< 1254721943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We use RCS...
< 1254721943 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it weird when people claim that language itself is spoken and writing is just a representation of it.
< 1254721962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which wasn't weird when it was implemented!
< 1254721963 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrigal: well, yes, language is more than just speech
< 1254721964 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1254721973 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when English generally means spoken english
< 1254721981 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rules for written english are not the same as spoken english
< 1254721991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing is far more important than speech.
< 1254721996 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Written English can be made to approximate spoken English, or it can be generated directly.
< 1254722002 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and orthography is the loosest part of written english, anyway.
< 1254722026 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrigal, have you been reading derrida?
< 1254722077 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While the two media can mostly represent each other, certain things, such as s/- -/- -/, are peculiar to one medium.
< 1254722084 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sound like I've been reading Derrida, don't I.
< 1254722086 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1254722091 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you do :)
< 1254722096 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIFFERANCE DIFFERANCE DIFFERANCE
< 1254722110 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this s/- -/- -/
< 1254722137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably a fucked up attempt at a regexp
< 1254722159 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, that's a circumfix!
< 1254722174 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually more like an all-over-the-place-fix.
< 1254722209 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1254722226 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it that is peculiar to one medium here now
< 1254722246 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "s/everyday/every day/" is certainly more likely to be written than spoken.
< 1254722269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ehird_> bit crappy for computing, though. <-- better than a computer if you are out of electricity ;P
< 1254722283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use a potato for all my computation needs.
< 1254722301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am currently sitting on a power line, chiseling this potato that i connected to it with a headphone wire.
< 1254722321 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrigal: well, spaces are a written phenomena, so you're write in that regard :P
< 1254722331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth ← is mapped to both AltGr+i and AltGr+y today. Usually the arrow pointing the other way is mapped to AltGr+y but today it seems gone
< 1254722332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a pun write?
< 1254722335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1254722350 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, something like "s/this/these/" as well.
< 1254722359 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1254722372 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this/these are different in number, and show up both in spoken and written english
< 1254722376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err usually the altgr+i is the other one
< 1254722379 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in exactly the same contexts
< 1254722381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not altgr+y
< 1254722397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1254722409 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I highly doubt a person would say "s/this/these/" out loud. They'd say, "Er, I mean 'these', not 'this'."
< 1254722442 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though if they did say it out loud, would they say "ess slash this slash these slash" or just "ess this these"?)
< 1254722443 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see what you mean
< 1254722462 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual <s/ / /> construction
< 1254722464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/this/these/ is not english.
< 1254722468 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1254722473 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, as ehird said, thats not english.
< 1254722476 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even written english.
< 1254722509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a useful adoption into obsessed-programmer-internet-typed-english, but that's a distinct language from english.
< 1254722512 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a construction used in conjunction with English.
< 1254722529 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so?
< 1254722532 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesnt make it english
< 1254722538 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't it, though?
< 1254722545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it doesn't.
< 1254722551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :full stop
< 1254722575 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I say "I understand what the raison d'etre of this product is", presumably I'm not switching to French and back in the middle of that sentence.
< 1254722576 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ehird said.
< 1254722591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raison d'etre has been adopted into english
< 1254722594 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but thats a phrase that has been adopted into english.
< 1254722596 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..
< 1254722597 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit ehird
< 1254722600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/foo/bar/ has not, and furthermore only applies in written english
< 1254722603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not even written english
< 1254722604 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop precopying me.
< 1254722604 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1254722607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english typed on the internet
< 1254722610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by nerds
< 1254722615 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its jargon
< 1254722622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nowhere near ubiquitous enough to be actual english
< 1254722628 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you might say its dialect specific, in some sense
< 1254722634 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its not english in the general sense.
< 1254722637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"social recluse english"
< 1254722653 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any degree of ubiquity is required for something to be an English word.
< 1254722662 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is.
< 1254722674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'mean English doesn't have every word? :P
< 1254722715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Warrigal> I don't think any degree of ubiquity is required for something to be an English word.
< 1254722721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most ridiculous assertion i've heard today
< 1254722729 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have every word, but it does have the word "prederelictionism" despite the fact that nobody ever uses that word.
< 1254722738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody?
< 1254722740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you suer
< 1254722741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sure
< 1254722750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people did in the past, if it's english
< 1254722764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=prederelectionism&btnG=Search&meta=
< 1254722765 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, warrigal, it has that word regardless of people using it or not
< 1254722768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find your claim dubious
< 1254722772 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its generable by the grammar of the language
< 1254722776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, compound.
< 1254722794 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not a compound
< 1254722797 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just morphologically complex
< 1254722830 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I wonder what it takes for a word to be "adopted into" English.
< 1254722852 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask a dialectologist.
< 1254722868 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the notion of "english" is already well beyond anything we can grasp concretely
< 1254722895 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no clear way of "language" vs "dialect"
< 1254722905 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guys have been making claims about the dubject without being dialectologists, haven't you?
< 1254722914 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any definition either makes everyone speak a different language, or makes everyone in europe speak the same language.
< 1254722923 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrigal, yes. ;D
< 1254722937 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a syntactician/semanticist. this predisposes me to make claims about things i know nothing about
< 1254722999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recelogical douchebags!
< 1254723002 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, my Internet connection is being unhappy, so I guess I'll be going now.
< 1254723003 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catch you later.
< 1254723017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am happily uncaught
< 1254723022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncaut
< 1254723099 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncut?
< 1254723110 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are british afterall, so one might expect.
< 1254723141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl, that thought process crossed my head but i couldn't think of a way to continue that trail of thought into ever more ridiculous words without seeming creepy
< 1254723153 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you know me
< 1254723159 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no problems with being creepy
< 1254723164 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want a lollipop?
< 1254723180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1254723184 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.
< 1254723184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ice cream however
< 1254723187 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1254723196 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my windowless van over here theres lots of icecream
< 1254723204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a discerning pedophile-victim-to-be, you see.
< 1254723211 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats good
< 1254723255 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does it bother you that a popular british tv show about gay guys in manchester had a 30 year old involved with a 15 year old?
< 1254723262 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that this is just one year older than you?
< 1254723278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. in a year those two could fuck.
< 1254723288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the age of consent in the usa like 34 or something :-P
< 1254723304 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so all i'd have to do is wait two years and then i can totally sex you?
< 1254723304 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man
< 1254723312 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a country!
< 1254723315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly less than two years, in fact.
< 1254723326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that assertion isn't true; it assumes i'd consent.
< 1254723327 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3
< 1254723333 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know you would
< 1254723338 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there'd be nomads!
< 1254723363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what form
< 1254723368 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1254723377 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whichever form you find most erotic!
< 1254723380 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i want to design an esolang
< 1254723381 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which
< 1254723386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as bits on a screen?
< 1254723391 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its strongly typed
< 1254723398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how you can have sex in-memory.
< 1254723401 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where the types are enormously constrained
< 1254723409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BDSM typing
< 1254723410 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as are the possible modes of combining primitives
< 1254723420 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1254723421 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3
< 1254723474 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im curious now what sort of stuff you get off to
< 1254723487 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im pretty sure i have some idea of what i was getting off to when i was 14
< 1254723491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really have to have that thought in your head
< 1254723503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's practically like raping me. even though you're not even changing my neurons or body in any way.
< 1254723511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly this proves that all consciousness is intertwined
< 1254723514 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in a completely not sexual fashion, its an interesting question
< 1254723517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the barriers between our minds are artificial
< 1254723577 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway
< 1254723580 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on to esolangs
< 1254723609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i request one thing: do not combine the current and previous topics.
< 1254723614 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1254723615 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones?
< 1254723620 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs and you naked?
< 1254723621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind.
< 1254723623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1254723638 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats it isnt it?!
< 1254723643 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you jerk off to esolangs!
< 1254723644 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1254723671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1254723678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can state that that is categorically false.
< 1254723683 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok.
< 1254723688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does categorically even mean in that term, anyway
< 1254723692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it differ from "false" :P
< 1254723710 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this idea that i have is that like
< 1254723714 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it means "every statement of the same nature is false"
< 1254723743 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there are only three or four primitives, and one or two primitive combinators
< 1254723756 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesnt produce all possible functions like SKI does
< 1254723773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: define same nature
< 1254723779 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it might, but it might be extraordinarily constrained in how those those functions can look and behave
< 1254723833 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ive been introduced recently to Tarski's original ideas
< 1254723839 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very interesting form of logic he has
< 1254723858 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its kind of like lambda calculus, but not quite
< 1254723860 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its very odd
< 1254723870 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is something like this
< 1254723898 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a (finite?) set of atomic symbols a,b,c,...
< 1254723901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Abstract: We show that the time evolution of the wave function of a quantum mechanical many particle system can be implemented very efficiently on a quantum computer. The computational cost of such a simulation is comparable to the cost of a conventional simulation of the corresponding classical."
< 1254723903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9603026
< 1254723913 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an infinite number of variable symbols (x,x',x'',...)
< 1254723918 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or x,y,z,...)
< 1254723928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x,y,z,...what?
< 1254723930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what comes after z
< 1254723936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1254723936 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w,q, whatever
< 1254723943 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it still possible to obtain Lisp machines?
< 1254723943 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r
< 1254723947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not an infinite set
< 1254723951 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1254723951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes, for around $600
< 1254723956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to $3,000+
< 1254723964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to go over and pick it up though
< 1254723966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Symbolics
< 1254723978 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have a finite number of capital letters R, P, ...
< 1254723989 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on this you define
< 1254723994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: price list - http://www.lispmachine.net/symbolics.txt
< 1254724008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.symbolics-dks.com/
< 1254724018 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fixed number of valid "sentence forms" using those capital letters
< 1254724027 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rxy, Pz, etc.
< 1254724031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the http://loper-os.org/ guy acquired one recently and has posted a little about it
< 1254724043 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each capital letter having a single sentence associated with it
< 1254724051 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sentence forms are such that like
< 1254724066 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rxy is really a class of sentences, where R is followed by any two variables
< 1254724075 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Rxx Rxx' Rx'x Rx'x' Rxx'' ...
< 1254724081 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are all valid sentences
< 1254724110 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also take valid sentences and replace any variable with an atomic symbol
< 1254724122 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get another valid sentence
< 1254724140 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Rxx' with x -> a becomes Rax'
< 1254724143 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc.
< 1254724156 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you have some combinations
< 1254724157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this bores me.
< 1254724161 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1254724164 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any two valid sentences can be &ed
< 1254724178 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like
< 1254724186 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rxy & Px is a valid sentence
< 1254724221 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can bind with quantifiers, so Rxy becomes ExRxy which has one less unbound variable
< 1254724242 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in tarski's system, you ONLY have sentences
< 1254724258 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont have P or R or whatever as free objects you can do stuff with
< 1254724263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're all fucking boring sentences sdhfajkfhasjhfasf shut up
< 1254724278 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btu apparently its equivalent to LC
< 1254724331 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254724468 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has no functions...
< 1254724533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does your mother
< 1254724566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i am downloading windows nt 4.0 workstation to play with it! my nerdiness has reached a plateau.
< 1254724567 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1254724711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so augur, does http://xkcd.com/114/ apply to you
< 1254724723 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what sense?
< 1254724730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you being insultd.
< 1254724731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*insulted
< 1254724732 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i agree with saying "fuck computational linguistics"
< 1254724735 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that im a computational linguist
< 1254724744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the latter but it's so boring when you put it like that
< 1254724771 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not reeeaaally a chomskyist except in that im most familiar with those frameworks
< 1254724778 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im definitely a generative linguist however
< 1254724783 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i am not ryan north
< 1254724789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU
< 1254724791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1254724796 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a threat
< 1254724798 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a promise
< 1254724800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damned computational linguists on my lawn
< 1254724802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, neither.
< 1254724806 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1254724814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chomsky really needs to tie in his politics and linguistics
< 1254724815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow
< 1254724822 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1254724836 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people ask him this
< 1254724838 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat the connect is
< 1254724840 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hes like
< 1254724841 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh...
< 1254724844 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none.
< 1254724844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just publish a book titled On Politics & Linguistics and take every fucking thing he's ever said about either and tie them all in the most ridiculous way possible
< 1254724881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Colourless green ideas sleep furiously, and therefore the cultivation of ideas is the blah blah blah"
< 1254725011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION quits torrent before seeding
< 1254725012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA
< 1254725015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEECHED IN YOUR FUCKING FACE
< 1254725162 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd leech in your face
< 1254725170 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so my reason for bringing up tarskian logic is
< 1254725183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to leech in my face?
< 1254725205 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be interesting to try to create a kind of language in which you had operations like that
< 1254725219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be interesting to
< 1254725228 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd*
< 1254725242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you didn't respect english orthofucky
< 1254725246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why so apostrophical
< 1254725250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man oh man
< 1254725252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new favourite word
< 1254725253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apostrophical
< 1254725268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like ... apocalyptic, castrophical, apostrophe, oh man
< 1254725270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best word ever
< 1254725273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also tropical
< 1254725289 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :castrophical?
< 1254725305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catastrophical
< 1254725309 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apostrophe catastrophy!
< 1254725315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apsotrophical
< 1254725327 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catastrophe*
< 1254725363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apostrophy: a trophy you get from apostry
< 1254725369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for doing apostry, rather
< 1254725375 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wossat
< 1254725378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea
< 1254725388 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1254725664 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving"
< 1254725703 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254726689 0 :jix!n=jix@f054013035.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254727699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, IE 2.
< 1254727707 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh
< 1254727712 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has no CSS support, right?
< 1254727714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's retrolicious.
< 1254727716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not.
< 1254727765 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE 4 was the first *browser* to have CSS support...
< 1254727775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't open google.com :P
< 1254727779 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1254727798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at a time if you wanted css you had to add a bunch of crap to your system
< 1254727799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet
< 1254727802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IE "shell integration" shit etc)
< 1254727849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ventures to the ever-useful http://www.litepc.com/ to pick up IEradicator
< 1254727880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much point of a rock solid system that ships with IE on the desktop, is there
< 1254727885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in a rock
< 1254727957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, NT lacks sudo
< 1254727970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm pretty tempted to remove my separate account and rename the administrator...
< 1254727982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's giving in!
< 1254728010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Netscape 4 also had CSS, IIRC.
< 1254728020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but was released after IE 4, no?
< 1254728025 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1254728035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, netscape 4 can do too much; it was on the agenda of support for many sites as recently as 2004.
< 1254728043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much because it FAILED HORRIBLY at doing them all.
< 1254728051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jwz is right, 4 is a crock of shit. 3 was nice
< 1254728188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Netscape 4 is dead. Thanks God." --http://web.archive.org/web/20060720060413/http://www.quirksmode.org/browsers/netscape4.html)
< 1254728229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc quirksmode used to crash on it, so before it did, it popped up an alert saying "This is Netscape's fault; sorry." or similar :D
< 1254728338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ie 3 had css.
< 1254728353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was IE 3 that added it?
< 1254728354 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1254728355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Microsoft's first attempt at an up-to date browser, Explorer 3 is quite impossible. Its implementation of both CSS and JavaScript are flawed and frankly unworkable. Basically, Explorer 3 knows enough of CSS to make your styled pages a complete disaster." --http://web.archive.org/web/20060716091823/www.quirksmode.org/browsers/explorer3.html
< 1254728469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.litepc.com/download/IEradicator2001.zip ;; putting this link here for type-into-VM purposes
< 1254728526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, Chrome works on 2000, which is the (admittedly 4-years-in-the-making, and a *lot* changed in the computing world, and especially in NT 4 vs 2000, between 1996 and 2000, but still) successor to NT 4; I wonder if I could get it working on there?
< 1254728608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION renames My Computer to Computer. Relaxing.
< 1254728633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait shit, this won't have zip.
< 1254728705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/ogvebm
< 1254728761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops; access is denied.
< 1254728769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Log on as administr... pissed of this already.
< 1254728771 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to go ->
< 1254728779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIME TO MAKE ME THE ADMINISTRATOR WOOHOO
< 1254728780 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later"
< 1254729117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet, it wrecked my system
< 1254729130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regsvr32, d'ya think that's registry server 32 eh
< 1254729148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it isn't there y'see
< 1254729177 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"register 32-bit server"
< 1254729187 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DLLs and such
< 1254729209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whatever; rather odd that IEradicator would choose to remove it. Then again, NT isn't a supported version. But its successors are!
< 1254729220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to try the install CD's repairing.
< 1254729374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh, same error.
< 1254729377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My life is one of eternal woe.
< 1254729517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, I held enter on OK and eventually it got the idea to delete system files for some reason
< 1254729526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's telling me it can't find it again
< 1254729533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, a desktop.
< 1254729575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's working now. How did that happen?
< 1254729599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended
< 1254729600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254729715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy shit
< 1254729729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the 95/98/2000 style look
< 1254729736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The minus and maximize/restore buttons are right next to each other
< 1254729741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the X has spacing before it
< 1254729742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN NEVER UNSEE
< 1254729884 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, it's a virtual machine; why don't you just snapshot it before breaking it?
< 1254729906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: because I am
< 1254729907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking
< 1254729908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardcore
< 1254729915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO COOL FOR VM SNAPSHOTS
< 1254729918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sunglasses
< 1254729919 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's reasonable.
< 1254729921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/*/
< 1254729924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES IT IS
< 1254729929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is so fucking reasonable.
< 1254730132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.geocities.com/bearwindows/win2x.htm ;; complete and utter beautiful hysterical insanity
< 1254730370 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254731327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently when ms stop supporting a service pack they remove its download
< 1254731336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus leaving people on an older, more buggy version with more problems
< 1254731342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really don't see the logic there
< 1254731734 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
< 1254732920 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.115 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254733698 0 :adam_d_!n=Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254734643 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services.
< 1254734645 0 :adam_d_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :adam_d
< 1254736565 0 :Rugxulo!n=user@65.13.115.246 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254737877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The point is, regardless of what I might expect, why would it be allowed to write a line of code that literally does absolutely nothing, can never do anything, and is basically just skipped, without at least giving you a warning?"
< 1254737880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stupid! it burns!
< 1254737890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION idly wonders how a concept can be acidic
< 1254737935 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A warning /would/ make sense IMO
< 1254737962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but read the line without context.
< 1254737984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By its logic, we would need to add a checker to the run-time system of every good language checking for the effects of a statement, and warn if nothing happens.
< 1254737987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is *insane*.
< 1254738039 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's quite sensible, just impossible
< 1254738057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You be the crazy too x.x
< 1254739352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Problem 11: I want to see HICOLOR icons in system tray
< 1254739352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solution: Patch explorer.exe:"
< 1254739477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy jiggawatts!
< 1254739485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>1MiB/s interwebs from google's servers
< 1254739487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with mine
< 1254739491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweeto
< 1254740183 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, did you ever get Creatures (or whatever) to run on Win95?
< 1254740198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could have been done trivially by installing ie 4.
< 1254740203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't bother to extract the DLLs
< 1254740210 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1254740220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, getting it to work on nt 4 would be a challenge...
< 1254740229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although mostly of the annoying variety
< 1254740255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, ff doesn't even support nt 4 any more :)
< 1254740267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody loves 2000's predecessor.
< 1254740276 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's from 1996, right?
< 1254740284 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure when the last SP was
< 1254740289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure! but it still had the basis of the NT kernel in 2000 in it
< 1254740309 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 2k is allegedly much better (never tried either, though, honestly)
< 1254740311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it had win95's graphical environment on top of it... but still, supporting it is way easier than 9
< 1254740315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADMITTEDLY, nobody uses it, but
< 1254740333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: NT 4 is fine; 2000 has that unremovable-without-major-surgery IE integration crap
< 1254740335 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fully sympathizes
< 1254740349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be the fun in using a legacy OS if I didn't have to hunt for software
< 1254740382 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to find stuff that ain't for the big three:  Linux 2.6, Win XP+, Mac OS X 10.4+
< 1254740391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2000+ is more common I think
< 1254740406 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it bugs me to think that programmers are too lazy to write for older OSes too ("it's too hard, wah wah wah")
< 1254740408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 10.5+ is about as common as 10.4 in total
< 1254740411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and much more common for new stuff
< 1254740416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: it's not laziness, it's not wasting time
< 1254740427 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Mac ain't as nice as Windows, no free service packs there
< 1254740434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm
< 1254740438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think the 10.x upgrades are service packs?
< 1254740442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the 10.x.y upgrades are
< 1254740447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.x = major release
< 1254740465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's confusing; it's meant to reflect the same basic UNIX base + Aqua + Cocoa
< 1254740474 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vista "vanilla" and SP1 and SP2 are quite different
< 1254740481 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with XP pre-SP2 and afterwards
< 1254740482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere near at all
< 1254740501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 10.x versions are nothing like service packs; they're major releases in every sense
< 1254740516 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPs have new features too
< 1254740524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i challenging that?
< 1254740524 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just bugfixes
< 1254740535 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elephino   ;-)
< 1254740553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as someone who knows what an SP is and has gone through them, and used a mac for 2-3 years, I'm pretty sure I'm qualified to judge whether 10.x releases are service packs...
< 1254740645 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, it's hard using a non-mainstream OS
< 1254740660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, note that most Linux software supports modern BSDs too
< 1254740674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's perfectly possible to use a modern BSD happily, as long as you can deal with the ports abomination
< 1254740712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. tweakui isn't available for nt?!
< 1254740721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to remove network neighborhood in the registry? ABOMINATORY!
< 1254740750 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only briefly played with a few *BSD .ISOs
< 1254740761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BSD kernel is probably better than Linux.
< 1254740772 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are anti-GPLv3, though
< 1254740781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; they're anti-GPL. And thank god for that.
< 1254740787 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and latest GNU stuff is pro-GPLv3
< 1254740799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still ship gpl 3 stuff
< 1254740801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just don't like to
< 1254740801 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they will use GPLv2, but they won't even touch v3
< 1254740807 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not officially
< 1254740809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong, wrong, wrong
< 1254740814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go install a modern bsd, install gcc
< 1254740815 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in ports, but not GCC
< 1254740817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check what version it is
< 1254740825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: that's just the kernel compiler
< 1254740826 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last I checked, it was all versions <= 4.2.1 (GPLv2)
< 1254740832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the userspace compiler, you get the latest gcc, I'm fairly certain
< 1254740836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from ports
< 1254740841 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get it, but it's not default
< 1254740853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter, base systems are useless
< 1254740856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to install something
< 1254740860 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they hate GPLv3 (and some, e.g. Theo, claim GCC keeps getting slower and buggier)
< 1254740864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, on debian/ubuntu you need to install build-essential to get any sort of compiler
< 1254740873 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Ubuntu has a compiler already
< 1254740878 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least on the liveCD
< 1254740882 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unlike most)
< 1254740884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, n
< 1254740887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no
< 1254740888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has gcc, but only for compiling kernel modules
< 1254740891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1254740892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's new
< 1254740895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have things like system headers and libc-dev
< 1254740902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty worthless then
< 1254740902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you install build-essentical
< 1254740912 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it does have libc-dev
< 1254740918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to install it by hand
< 1254740927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is before I knew about build-essential)
< 1254740928 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has compiled some C++ on several versions of Ubuntu
< 1254740950 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C++ compiler is there (packed) but not installed
< 1254740958 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the liveCD, I mean
< 1254740966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my current obstacle in my crazy, insane, fucked up Chrome-on-NT4 plan is that the Google Installer (yes, installer) requires 2000 sp3
< 1254741008 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I've said before, for some oddball reason, people only support certain versions, and Win2k is really starting to be dropped (or already was, e.g. VirtualBox)
< 1254741014 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how likely do you think it is that Chrome itself requires less than that?
< 1254741021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only support certain versions? How crazy.
< 1254741026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want people to support 3.11 or sth
< 1254741033 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, if they know how
< 1254741054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm glad every developer isn't you, or every application would be held back and buggy due to spending all their time supporting ancient OSs
< 1254741065 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't even try, though, which is frustrating
< 1254741066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not surprised chrome doesn't support NT 4, I think that's perfectly reasonable, and I'm not bothered by it; I'm just tinkering
< 1254741097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: yes, because if there isn't any demand for it, the only justification for supporting it is for fun
< 1254741103 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's weird when things work one day and not the next, all due to developer whims
< 1254741109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corporations don't want to waste huge amounts of time on fun for obviosu reasons
< 1254741117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*obvious
< 1254741124 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corporations also don't want to waste money just to upgrade just for support in what already works
< 1254741124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hobbyists, surprisingly, don't find porting every new feature to 3.11 fun
< 1254741134 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.11 is a bad example
< 1254741143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so you don't want to support 3.11?
< 1254741145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if they can?
< 1254741156 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even Win98SE is considered bad now (although at the time it was plenty good enough ... did they forget what they knew then? I doubt it)
< 1254741158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about people who use 3.11? where's the cutoff?
< 1254741172 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cutoff is only where their skills end
< 1254741179 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :support everything you're able, I say
< 1254741185 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be arbitrary
< 1254741201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, yeah, you're right, it's not conceivable that technology could advance or - look, you're clearly driven to this insane timewasting idea of supporting every single OS in your raw ability by an irrational nostalgia for those old OSs, so I'm not going to be able to convince you otherwise.
< 1254741226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 > 98
< 1254741232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed
< 1254741235 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't support anything besides latest stuff, and it's sickening
< 1254741243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, what we really need is portable programs
< 1254741255 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and portable drivers
< 1254741255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaand with "sickening" you prove that indeed you're basing this on emotional, rather than rational grounds
< 1254741267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say something in portable C that only used the standard section of the library could probably compile to windows 3.1 without porting, but that's very restrictive
< 1254741285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it in your ability to write a whole HTTP stack for 3.1?
< 1254741293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS support must only end at your ability!!11112
< 1254741296 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1254741308 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence I haven't done it
< 1254741316 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but OpenWatcom does support it, so who knows   ;-)
< 1254741322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking to ais523
< 1254741323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need a whole stack? or just bits of it?
< 1254741339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine porting wget to 3.1, but you'd need a TCP library
< 1254741340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of it! We're writing a combined web server/browser/toaster!
< 1254741348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I do believe we need to implement every library possible.
< 1254741352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick! Quick! Busywork!
< 1254741378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm... what's this I keep hearing about 500 critical unsolved bugs for modern operating systems... eh, who uses those things. So about our 3.1 library roadmap...
< 1254741391 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Win2k came out with like a billion bugs ...
< 1254741394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, stupid login page: a) it redirects you off the resulting page on an unsuccessful login, rather than just taking you to it; b) the strong password requirements mean that, for the first time in ever, I've forgotten my password because I memorised the old one rather than the one corrected to comply with it
< 1254741443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what browsers other than opera, seamonkey, k-meleon would wok
< 1254741449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w3m?
< 1254741455 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :work on what, NT?
< 1254741460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NT 4, yeah
< 1254741462 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some compile of dillo?
< 1254741469 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lynx?
< 1254741476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w3m > lynx
< 1254741489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the first time in history I've been tempted to say "Never mind, I'll just use IE 6" :-P
< 1254741510 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elinks?
< 1254741519 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OffByOne?
< 1254741525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP IT YOU FOOLS
< 1254741552 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever try Cygwin on it?
< 1254741553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember when NT 4 came out, timewise
< 1254741559 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would probably open your possibilities a lot
< 1254741560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: you're mad, Cygwin doesn't even run on Wine
< 1254741562 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1996
< 1254741575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be better off trying to run Wine on it
< 1254741579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and running modern browsers that way
< 1254741579 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? Cygwin still runs on Win9x (until 1.7 is out of beta)
< 1254741603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cygwin runs on 3.11 iirc
< 1254741616 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a Swspacket (sp?) driver that emulates the DOS packet API, maybe letting you use elinks, lynx, Arachne, etc.
< 1254741623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NT 4 is 1996; NT 3 kernel + 95 GUI, pretty much
< 1254741644 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd bet OffByOne works, but it's like HTML 3.2 only
< 1254741649 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arachne is at least mostly 4.0
< 1254741654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems quite sturdy so far; the Control Panel is less usable than 95, though, due to being all corporatey and stuff.
< 1254741668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the users kind of get in the way since you don't have sudo; I'm just running as admin.
< 1254741669 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to 95, it should be rock solid
< 1254741671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't crash, so.
< 1254741677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least not yet.
< 1254741680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels sturdier.
< 1254741697 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1254741700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it has a proper task manager like in 2000/XP/Vista/7! Yay!
< 1254741714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why the context menus have slightly different padding/spacing in NT
< 1254741718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems an odd thing to change for the new release...
< 1254741724 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's considered much better, which is why people didn't whine too too hard about worse compatibility
< 1254741731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh, it looks better this way... let's tweak this from our mostly-identical GUI subsystem"
< 1254741735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh! the .login here is a tcsh script
< 1254741744 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so?
< 1254741744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Unfortunately, the last DirectX it supports is 3.
< 1254741749 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1254741756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So games are pretty much impossible with NT 4, which is a shame.
< 1254741757 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't meant for games
< 1254741766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but it sucks to have to use an unstable OS for games. :P
< 1254741770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you want to be all retro.)
< 1254741771 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another arbitrary decision from MS ...
< 1254741791 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, instability sucks, but rock solid stability that can't run anything (*Vista*) ain't too much better
< 1254741802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, presumably the NT 4 kernel was missing functionality and design constraints that made it too hard to support the additional DirectX code without much more effort, ETC
< 1254741811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sickening
< 1254741812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1254741814 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, just like XP couldn't get DX10, yeah right
< 1254741828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo -- knowing more about DirectX than anyone who's ever seen the DirectX source since 2009
< 1254741836 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2k3 doesn't even get any more service packs despite *known* bugs
< 1254741837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: also, did you just say Vista can't run anything...?
< 1254741849 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vista has bugs where even XP ran fine
< 1254741857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rock solid stability that can't run anything (*Vista*)"
< 1254741863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Yahoo's POP3 has become unstable recently, it hangs half the time
< 1254741869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never used to do that...
< 1254741869 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Master of Orion II needs DirectX >= 3, it might run
< 1254741870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you using POP.
< 1254741875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: because Yahoo doesn't support IMAP
< 1254741879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That's a whole one game
< 1254741880 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS made a deal with Yahoo!, probably switching all their FreeBSD -> MS crud
< 1254741884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why are you using yahoo
< 1254741890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: seriously?
< 1254741892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I happened to have a spare yahoo account lying around
< 1254741894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the deal was with the search engines
< 1254741897 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: There are others, too.
< 1254741900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a separate one to advertise IE 8
< 1254741901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I probably trust them the most out of the large webmail providers
< 1254741909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it with geeks and insane tech conspiracise
< 1254741911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*conspiracies
< 1254741918 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the games I consider excellent don't depend on any version of DirectX.
< 1254741923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we too insecure to admit one of us might have fucked up somewhere in system administration :P
< 1254741930 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if DOSBox works on NT 4
< 1254741931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Still.
< 1254741940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Link me up and I'll see.
< 1254741944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, 3.11 runs in dosbox
< 1254741945 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.dosbox.com
< 1254741946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can 95? XD
< 1254741959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly slower than a virtualiser ofc
< 1254741977 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win95 didn't need to be bundled with DOS, but MS did it that way to compete better
< 1254741994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas 3.1 requires some OS to run on
< 1254742004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 starts up from dos
< 1254742006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\win.exe
< 1254742007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1254742013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1254742015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\windows\win.exe
< 1254742018 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does Win9x, there's allegedly no reason it couldn't run on DR-DOS, but that never happened due to bundling
< 1254742020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apparently 3.1 worked with Dr. DOS too, but they added a scary error message to make people think it was inferiot)
< 1254742024 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :win.com
< 1254742031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why NT installs to C:\WINNT; to distinguish it from 9x or something?
< 1254742038 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the error message was only in 3.1 beta, it was removed for final release
< 1254742044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, the 95-era explorer normalises capitalisation...
< 1254742045 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DR-DOS ran 3.1 faster than MS-DOS
< 1254742054 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DR-DOS kinda kicks MS-DOS' butt
< 1254742056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WINNT becomes Winnt, FOO baR baz becomes Foo Bar Baz...
< 1254742059 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most ways
< 1254742061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite strange
< 1254742075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: because many old programs saved in allcaps
< 1254742082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1254742082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't matter with 8.3
< 1254742088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't find it surprising that Windows would only work on MS-DOS on purpose
< 1254742094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it /did/ matter when going to LFN, which was case-preserving although case-insensitive
< 1254742094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like a reasonable thing to do
< 1254742103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying, sure, but understandable and not evil...
< 1254742105 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they had to pay a bunch of money after-the-fact to Caldera (1998?) because of that
< 1254742126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes MS hadn't called it Recycle Bin just to avoid getting sued by Apple/Atari/whatever
< 1254742129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't recycle anything, dammit!
< 1254742130 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not evil, but it definitely wasn't a technical requirement
< 1254742135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: bits, ofc
< 1254742136 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just didn't want DOS clones
< 1254742137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a trash can/rubbish bin that you empty later!
< 1254742142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't want them all falling into the bitbucket
< 1254742146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1254742149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tempted to rename it Bit Bucket
< 1254742166 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple sued them, I think
< 1254742171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but not for that
< 1254742175 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was way back when, and it didn't last long
< 1254742175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for copying the GUI in the first place
< 1254742188 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they lost, though, because you can copyright UI
< 1254742190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then Xerox came along and sued Apple, going "um, actually, we did that"
< 1254742193 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/can/can't/
< 1254742197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then Apple lost both cases
< 1254742213 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. non-overlapping Windows in Win 1.0 (ugh)
< 1254742217 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very lame
< 1254742239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, the kids do that on purpose  today
< 1254742241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*purpose today
< 1254742246 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, is it TweakUI that gives you multiple workspaces or some other tool? (I forget)
< 1254742246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call 'em tiling window managers! :P
< 1254742252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TweakUI doesn't do that
< 1254742267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh stupid filename-sensitivity of Java
< 1254742269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TweakUI is just a MS-made tool that gives you access to a bunch of registry keys about the UI
< 1254742281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I hate that so much
< 1254742286 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use my XP machine barely at all anymore, so I don't remember TweakUI
< 1254742297 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case sensitivity in filenames is pretty useless
< 1254742299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's available for 9x too
< 1254742300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 2000
< 1254742301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not nt
< 1254742304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: not case sensitivity
< 1254742312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is good, because you can't define case sensitivity
< 1254742313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, it seems to be breaking even with the right filename
< 1254742322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want to be an anglophone, which is pretty bigoted
< 1254742329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it makes the code simpler
< 1254742334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being just comparisons of opaque byte strings
< 1254742335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is good
< 1254742359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't assigning semantics to the names
< 1254742370 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying who has Makefile makefile and MAKEFILE all in one dir anyways??
< 1254742417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the point, at all
< 1254742427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice it rarely matters
< 1254742430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however
< 1254742433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it causes annoying things like:
< 1254742437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv fOO foo fails
< 1254742440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the case is exposed
< 1254742447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to go via an intermediate file
< 1254742453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, furthermore, it's impossible to do for all languages
< 1254742456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to ill-defined notions of case
< 1254742468 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rename fOO foo works but is a no-op, IIRC
< 1254742468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, it complicates the code with stupid stuff like unicode, which is bad in a low-level fs
< 1254742475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, finally,
< 1254742480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it assigns semantics to file names: which isn't right.
< 1254742494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :files shouldn't answer to the opaque byte strings that aren't theirs.
< 1254742500 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NTFS uses UTF-16, I think
< 1254742514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just because windows does (and it's stupid)
< 1254742515 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget which endianness
< 1254742543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so should I rename the Recycle Bin to Bit Bucket, Trash, Trash Can, Rubbish, or Rubbish Bin :P
< 1254742550 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing Tarpit
< 1254742564 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Bill Gates' Wallet
< 1254742575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but neither of those make any sense!
< 1254742608 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yer Mama
< 1254742615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll call it, uh, how do you spell it
< 1254742642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh who cares.
< 1254742669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need TC garbage collection!
< 1254742675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1254742693 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it Vista_Source
< 1254742700 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that'd be trash to me)
< 1254742710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your unfunniness is only limited by infinity
< 1254742717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1254742733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll call it Micro$HAFT Window$ SH!tsorce
< 1254742739 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I was gonna say Perl6, but I'm not serious about that one  ;-)
< 1254742796 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black Hole?
< 1254742826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that where they go *post* deletion
< 1254742832 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dubya's Legacy?
< 1254742846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, does it seem strange to anyone else that windows prompts before moving something to the recycle bin?
< 1254742853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean... the whole point is that you can get it back later...
< 1254742855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do we need warning
< 1254742860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to me, based on what Windows thinks helps usability
< 1254742875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, btw, the Vista machines here have what is to me a massive usability bug
< 1254742878 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no worse than it asking every five minutes, "Wanna reboot now?" after silly updates
< 1254742881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we bombard the user with more pointless dialogs, they'll surely pay more attention to them
< 1254742889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the log-out menu item says "Log out..."
< 1254742894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't pop up a dialog box, just logs out
< 1254742897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: that's gone nowadays actually
< 1254742903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: argh
< 1254742905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those three dots have me waiting for ages for the dialog to come up
< 1254742910 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not
< 1254742914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really pay attention to those things, but I hate such inconsistencies
< 1254742926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: yes it is; legacy installers lie about it, but you can switch graphics driver in 7 without rebooting, for example
< 1254742932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or without restarting the graphics subsystem
< 1254742936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any graphical apps
< 1254742939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is more than Xorg can do
< 1254742951 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and BTW, it offered me IE 8 in Windows update but not SP2, heh
< 1254742957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm trained to wait for a dialog box after clicking on a fake-ellipsis
< 1254742963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe it's even a real one nowadays, for all I know)
< 1254742975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't in GNOME, and that upsets me greatly
< 1254742987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, GNOME uses it perfectly consistently throughout! YAY!!!
< 1254743000 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, ellipsis?
< 1254743006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, apart from odd things like Accessories -> Search For Files...; technically true, but all apps pop up a window
< 1254743022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: ellipsis after a menu item = There will be a prompt asking for more information or a confirmation before this action is completed
< 1254743029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No ellipsis = as soon as you click, the action will happen
< 1254743039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, Shut Down... [click] Are you sure you want to shut down?
< 1254743040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1254743048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Force Major System Halt OMFG [click] [bzzt]
< 1254743064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zoom In but Preferences..., etc
< 1254743074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not Preferences...
< 1254743077 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl Alt SysReq R E I S U B ... much easier   ;-)
< 1254743084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's expected for menu items to do that
< 1254743085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1254743086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh
< 1254743091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too complicated to articulate :D
< 1254743115 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, I unwrapped a copy of Falcon 3.0 yesterday, have yet to play it though
< 1254743127 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had it for a few years, just lazy I guess
< 1254743140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: why control?
< 1254743142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just alt-sysrq
< 1254743156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you have to hold down alt through the whole thing, but press and release sysrq before each letter
< 1254743165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1254743166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1254743170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a form of security through obscurity; the actual action is rather hard to describe
< 1254743185 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hold Ctrl-Alt-SysReq and while doing that press (in order) R E I S U B
< 1254743190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it gets even more fun on a laptop keyboard, where sysrq is fun-prtsc)
< 1254743193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fn-prtsc
< 1254743202 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know
< 1254743204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: hmm... clearly that works on a desktop keyboard but not a laptop one
< 1254743206 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on laptop now)
< 1254743212 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works here
< 1254743227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried many combinations, but holding SysRq fails, as does releasing alt
< 1254743233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish annoyances.org had an NT section
< 1254743251 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish it had an ehird section  ;-)
< 1254743264 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(joking)
< 1254743276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i ever mentioned you're extremely witty. because if so I was clearly incorrect based on new evidence :P
< 1254743280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENTIFIC INSULTS
< 1254743302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that IE? Crashed? WELL I'LL JUST TERMINATE YOUR PROCESS
< 1254743316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess Opera is the best bet for now...
< 1254743328 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no Firefox runs on NT or just really really old ones?
< 1254743347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, probably like 1.5 does, I imagine they dropped support of it with 95
< 1254743354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I wanted to run an outdated browser I'd stick with IE 6
< 1254743361 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I was thinking 1.5 probably worked
< 1254743366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, what's the challenge in using old software?
< 1254743373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could get everything with no trouble like that!
< 1254743386 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE 6 ain't great, esp. with most people intentionally dropping support (although I think Gmail works, maybe YouTube)
< 1254743402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Opera cannot be upgraded while it is running." ...good to know, I'm not running Opera nor do I have it installed?
< 1254743427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE 6 is horrible and I could never use it in good conscience, not because of dropping support mainly (although that too) but because in a previous life I did web stuff
< 1254743440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it rivals netscape 4 in "oh god, please just let me die now"-ness
< 1254743445 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1254743470 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least OffByOne supports tabs
< 1254743472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION elects to use the classic Opera installer
< 1254743481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they offer that even on new versions for some reason...
< 1254743485 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty small, too
< 1254743495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it also doesn't support css or javascript last i checked
< 1254743499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, not even html 4
< 1254743508 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but hey, better than nothing   ;-)
< 1254743621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you set an environment variable in tcsh?
< 1254743632 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, setenv??
< 1254743653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec bash; export FOO=BAR
< 1254743667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: thanks, that worked
< 1254743671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: heh
< 1254743684 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BSD?
< 1254743688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that ; wouldn't work, still
< 1254743693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, finally working
< 1254743705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, windows installs NT hofixes in add/remove
< 1254743709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who'd have thought that . in $CLASSPATH doesn't add the current directory, but putting the name of the current directory there does
< 1254743713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus adding like 30 useless things ith jsut a number
< 1254743717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even telling me what it fixes
< 1254743719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*with just
< 1254743721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you didn't know that already?
< 1254743725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1254743736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know TweakUI can remove entries from Add/Remove; maybe I'll do that to declutter it, manually
< 1254743743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH
< 1254743747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE instlaled windows media player too
< 1254743749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*installed
< 1254743751 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1254743752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing I'm eradicating it
< 1254743786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Restore the previous Windows configuration." // fuck off, you're not a real OS component
< 1254743793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you mean to say is "Uninstall me"
< 1254743819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"heading = 5399.999999999987 degrees"
< 1254743837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this applet clearly doesn't know about a) modular arithmetic, b) floating-point error
< 1254743847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I'm considering basing my sandboxed distro on BSd.
< 1254743848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe.
< 1254743854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BSD
< 1254743854 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which?
< 1254743869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure
< 1254743888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, . is in the path here by default
< 1254743898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems slightly weird for a Linux distro aimed at businesses
< 1254743904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeBSD is the most active and has jails (not sure if the others do), NetBSD Runs On Everything(TM) and, basically, I like their style (although have never used their OS), and OpenBSD is ... dubiously ... secure
< 1254743919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read some things that make me doubt OpenBSD is so much hot stuff as opposed to, well, hot air
< 1254743924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I dislike Theo
< 1254743940 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetBSD is pretty good although I think FreeBSD has more polish / fans / developers, OpenBSD mostly works but seems to lag behind and have bugs / regressions
< 1254743948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux has in its favour compatibility, popularity and Linus
< 1254743962 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a billion distros
< 1254743973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes; I AM making the billion-and-oneth
< 1254743984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but not a nondescript one!
< 1254743987 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and everyone else   ;-)
< 1254744022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: everyone else has a capability-based sandboxing system applied to the whole system as the security solution, plus package isolation and easy user-specific package installation?
< 1254744032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I'm totally out of date with the whole distro scene!
< 1254744033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not.
< 1254744072 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all weird
< 1254744075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if IEradicator will break NT again until he repairs it from the NT CD and hits OK a lot on the errors
< 1254744078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: define they?
< 1254744082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's all weird, the things I stated or the distros
< 1254744086 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :distros
< 1254744108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's maybe 10 distros that don't suck so much as to be not even worth considering using.
< 1254744118 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as?
< 1254744121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe 4-5 I'd actually consider using
< 1254744138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: lemme see... Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, Slackware, Arch, uh...
< 1254744144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there are five more.
< 1254744157 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SuSE?
< 1254744164 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puppy?
< 1254744169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no and a thousand billion million times no to SuSE
< 1254744171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LFS?
< 1254744173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a strong meh to Puppy
< 1254744185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to pretend you never said that, ais523 :P
< 1254744185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, LFS isn't technically a distro
< 1254744186 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLAX?
< 1254744194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: mehhhhhhhh
< 1254744196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet another distro
< 1254744197 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo?
< 1254744201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewwwww
< 1254744215 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mepis?
< 1254744215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dislike source based distros and I dislike gentoo's culture
< 1254744223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, gentoo is out of date an awful lot.
< 1254744238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mepis is yet another damn distro!
< 1254744245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why does rm prompt?
< 1254744245 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knoppix?
< 1254744247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones I mentioned are exceptional, everything else is mostly the same
< 1254744252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a few things that are different, but not for the better
< 1254744253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is going mad
< 1254744256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: alias rm=rm -i
< 1254744259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what system is this?
< 1254744261 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beat me to it
< 1254744262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: CentOS
< 1254744270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some really weird config, AFAICT
< 1254744271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall CentOS being so braindead by default
< 1254744274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I haven't seen anything similar
< 1254744283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it's default, this looks like it's been deliberately customised to be braindead
< 1254744288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you think you're allowed to install software in ~?
< 1254744298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest running user mode linux with something saner inside :P
< 1254744309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and killing X and starting one in the UML every time you start it up
< 1254744311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just use my laptop
< 1254744321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, startx is in the .login script
< 1254744324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than started automatically
< 1254744330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1254744333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't run the computer without X
< 1254744338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the screen doesn't work in text mode
< 1254744347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some weird incompatibility between the graphics card and screen
< 1254744361 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even 80x25??
< 1254744368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used not to work in graphics mode either, until they got a crappier cable so that the graphics card had to downgrade its output
< 1254744373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1254744377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: no, it sends at the wrong frequency
< 1254744385 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders about VESA text modes
< 1254744392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your university's IT department is seriously incompetent, ais523
< 1254744403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also their door department.
< 1254744408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they found a solution that worked, I suppose
< 1254744411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, different department now
< 1254744438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the doors /here/ have so far been sane
< 1254744439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rm: aliased to rm -i"
< 1254744440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is which /supposed/ to do that?
< 1254744442 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course  ;-)
< 1254744443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was type that did that
< 1254744449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1254744457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% type rm
< 1254744461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean `mtype rm' ?
< 1254744471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god
< 1254744476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quotes' and space-punctuation
< 1254744478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I didn't
< 1254744481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sentence causes deep-seated rage in me
< 1254744496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtype appears to be a port of type from MS-DOS
< 1254744504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and type was the equivalent to cat
< 1254744507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1254744514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now who on earth would want that...
< 1254744523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone trying to parse MS-DOS line endings, presumably
< 1254744534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have they ever heard of tofrodos or dos2unix or...
< 1254744538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who didn't realise that less has done that for years
< 1254744543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet someone did it for the CLI interface
< 1254744557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, RAS syndrome
< 1254744558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1254744580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the man page for mtype has more information on telling you how to see the original texinfo documentation than it does about the actual program
< 1254744597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the information isn't the usual "run 'info mtype'"
< 1254744598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnit's the fguture.
< 1254744605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead, it tells you how to compile the documentation from source
< 1254744611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I truly have infopages...
< 1254744615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this system is getting more bizzare by the second
< 1254744620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really really verbose, hard to navigate, sprawling...
< 1254744632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: *hate?
< 1254744636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1254744640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably have them too
< 1254744646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine they're installed on this system.
< 1254744657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% info mtype
< 1254744664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-----Info: (*manpages*)mtype
< 1254744675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1254744679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually guessed that would happen, but wasn't sure
< 1254744707 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try "mtype /?" perhaps?
< 1254744728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A terrible idea: A program like biff(1), but instead of inform you when you have new mail, it informs you when jesus loves you.
< 1254744732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mtype: No match."
< 1254744736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ jesus on
< 1254744739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus loves you!
< 1254744739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus loves you!
< 1254744739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus loves you!
< 1254744740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus loves you!
< 1254744740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus loves you!
< 1254744740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus loves you!
< 1254744741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running it without arguments shows that the arguments are behind - now not /
< 1254744741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus loves you!
< 1254744743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...]
< 1254744744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it isn't a straight port
< 1254744758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could put it in ubuntu christian edition.
< 1254744760 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try "-?"
< 1254744769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: doesn't work because of tcsh
< 1254744771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ? can't expand
< 1254744776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the command doesn't run at all
< 1254744784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-\?
< 1254744784 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/h"?
< 1254744791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more fun, tcsh makes it look like the error was coming from the program you're trying to run
< 1254744806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both ? and h are invalid optoins
< 1254744810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, that's what manpages are for!
< 1254744828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I was laughing so much that tears are actually coming out of my eyes
< 1254744852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes 7zip will work
< 1254744855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "You mean `mcopy' ? " thing seems to come up for all DOS commands
< 1254744863 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7zip cmdline or file manager?
< 1254744877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :File manager; just like WinZip, I can take a brief look and hit extract. Except it won't nag me.
< 1254744880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be a misguided attempt at letting DOS people change to Linux more easily
< 1254744892 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, mcopy and mtype etc. must be from mtools
< 1254744902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope 7-Zip supports NT.
< 1254744911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NT 4 is wonderfully snappy...
< 1254744913 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt it but who knows
< 1254744923 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Igor tried to support Win9x in the cmdline version, at least
< 1254744932 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: try man mtools
< 1254744933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have thought it be more bloated; I've read articles from the day where people noted it was slower but rock solid.
< 1254744956 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1996 was P1 era (200 Mhz max), before faster machines
< 1254744960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, mtools is there
< 1254744965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about how to mount DOS floppy disks
< 1254744966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was circa 1998 the article i read iirc
< 1254744974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could be kind-of hard, given that the local computer has no floppy drive
< 1254744977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. in a fun article where someone described making their computer, the Damage Box, containing some Celeron
< 1254744978 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1998 is still pre-P3
< 1254744981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I doubt I could access one on the server, if there is one there
< 1254744981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was actually faster than P3s
< 1254744986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when overclocked
< 1254744989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: nope
< 1254744995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it talked about P3s
< 1254745006 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about isn't the same as having one
< 1254745010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Voodoo cards and Glide
< 1254745015 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P3 was 1999 IIRC
< 1254745023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it may have been 1999
< 1254745025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember
< 1254745028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: referencing benchmarks.
< 1254745029 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPro was 1997 or so
< 1254745036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., "in practice the Celeron beats the blah blah blah"
< 1254745041 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P3 ranged from various speeds
< 1254745055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1254745057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it mentioned models
< 1254745059 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd bet the high end ones beat the Celeron (well, they'd have to, all Celerons are half the cache, right?)
< 1254745064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no,
< 1254745072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the celeron overclocked to 400MHz or something
< 1254745075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was the top PIII
< 1254745079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and outperformed it in practice almost all the time
< 1254745083 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe at the time
< 1254745089 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but P3 eventually scaled to over 1 Ghz
< 1254745092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shit
< 1254745105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a comparison at the time, which was novel because celeron is meant to be budget
< 1254745112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re pentium pro there was another article (these were from old-school Ars Technica) praising the Pentium Pro in rather overblown terms
< 1254745113 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1254745122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in like 2000, when it was rather outdated; it was more of a tribute)
< 1254745128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite amusing
< 1254745130 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPro was good at 32-bit, bad at 16-bit
< 1254745146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did You Know: ...that NT 4 was available for PowerPC for a time?
< 1254745147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really.
< 1254745152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did know that
< 1254745153 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :final or beta?
< 1254745157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure, Rugxulo.
< 1254745158 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I knew
< 1254745159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NT the kernel was pretty portable
< 1254745166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it run the gui?
< 1254745169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Windows NT the OS wasn't
< 1254745170 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NT before 4 ran on like three or four arches
< 1254745176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not sure; quite possibly it was just telnet
< 1254745178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 too
< 1254745182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mips, for instance
< 1254745183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is all NT without Windows can do
< 1254745183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the cd
< 1254745184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppc too
< 1254745184 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alpha, some MIPS
< 1254745187 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought 4 dropped most
< 1254745192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: darn
< 1254745204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you could actually run Windows NT 4 on a Mac at some point I guess it'd be bigger news then
< 1254745209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fun thought, though
< 1254745214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering the total program incompatibility
< 1254745220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... er... why are you using windows???
< 1254745221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the way that NT is multiuser, but only one user can use the GUI at the time
< 1254745223 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later Itanium, of course
< 1254745223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone else has to telnet
< 1254745232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense, the gui is one of the three kernel components
< 1254745241 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one time Apple ported Mac to run on DR-DOS (x86), but they abandoned the project later
< 1254745245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Win32, GUI and I forget the third one)
< 1254745248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1254745250 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac classic (System 7??)
< 1254745250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win32, GDI and GUI
< 1254745257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the three separate components making up the kernel
< 1254745279 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there were supposedly DOS 486 emulators for non-x86 NT versions
< 1254745279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 7zip installed hitchlessly
< 1254745353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Windows NT shared/not shared program thing in the start menu is confusing
< 1254745360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE is local to me but 7zip isn't
< 1254745370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and explorer is local too.
< 1254745384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, 7zip runs
< 1254745418 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did MS add .ZIP support to Explorer? 2k?
< 1254745429 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP?
< 1254745439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP
< 1254745446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I really like it; it's nice and simple
< 1254745453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish there was an extension to do the same for many formats
< 1254745464 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as?
< 1254745468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.gz
< 1254745469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.tar
< 1254745471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.rar
< 1254745473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.7z
< 1254745474 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try IZarc.org, but I'm not sure it'd work
< 1254745476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.jar?
< 1254745476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.tar.bz7
< 1254745480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeeeeeeeeeeeetc
< 1254745499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean for NT, I mean in general
< 1254745501 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7-Zip does support unraring
< 1254745505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1254745508 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like it, I have folders with hundreds of .zips in them and that makes the tree view on the left useless
< 1254745511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows ZIP support treats them as folders
< 1254745514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nice
< 1254745525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you can get programs to decompress archives.........
< 1254745541 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IZarc uses .DLLs
< 1254745548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1254745569 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All Windows programs use DLLs
< 1254745573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1254745580 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean for certain archive types
< 1254745584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1254745590 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*.EXE, that is)
< 1254745610 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, all Windows apps have to use at least KERNEL.DLL etc.
< 1254745620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it uses .DLLs" is a completely meaningless statement
< 1254745622 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, non-dual Win programs  ;-)
< 1254745639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, what is the point of rundll32?
< 1254745648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see what it does, other than execute a function in a dll like a program
< 1254745653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh, why not just have a program? for linkability?
< 1254745661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just make a stub program that links with the dll and calls it?
< 1254745668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just doesn't seem like an insanely common thing to want to me
< 1254745668 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1254745686 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were originally intended only for internal Microsoft use
< 1254745706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahahaha, DIE IE! DIE!
< 1254745717 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They = rundll and rundll32)
< 1254745721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
< 1254745724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stab stab stab
< 1254745725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cackle
< 1254745733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably enjoy this too much.
< 1254745757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but totally eradicate ie on your newfangled vista thingummies, eh, eh
< 1254745837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREYING OUT THE UNINSTALL OPTION NOW ARE WE, OLDER IE?
< 1254745843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'll just have to sic ieradicator on you.
< 1254745848 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newfangled? not as much ... Win 7 is coming this month, and Vista is 2 1/2 already
< 1254745860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZZAP
< 1254745865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: i'm joking
< 1254745885 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For M$, 2.5 years is a friggin' lighting-fast release cycle.
< 1254745889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, vista was so long in the wait... 5 years...
< 1254745891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh  snap
< 1254745893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*heh snap
< 1254745896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so vista is still pretty newfangled!
< 1254745911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :longhorn builds leaked in 2004!
< 1254745916 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vista was the uncommon case
< 1254745935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should probably have released longhorn in like 2005, then vista in 2008
< 1254745938 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before that it was less than 2 years between releases, usually
< 1254745945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole-huge-release-at-once reaaaaaaaaaally messed up
< 1254745955 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hell, always?)
< 1254745967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by hell always
< 1254745973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your sentences are unmakingsense to me!
< 1254746008 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said usually and then I decided that it was probably in fact always
< 1254746017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tee hee hee
< 1254746019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE IS TOTALLY GONE
< 1254746025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what do you mean hell usually
< 1254746035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean upgrading so frequently?
< 1254746089 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-05 14:32:18 ( Deewiant) Before [Vista,] [Microsoft] [took] less than 2 years between releases [of Windows], usually
< 1254746090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee, it wants the msimg32.dll from windows me
< 1254746104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Right, what's that got to do with hell
< 1254746129 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Do you not see a comma after it?
< 1254746149 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called an interjection
< 1254746154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm dumb, but I have no idea what you're talking about at all.
< 1254746164 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in "Fuck, always?"
< 1254746168 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except "Hell, always?"
< 1254746177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1254746188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was, since it was, like, in a parne, like an, um, okay I fail.
< 1254746240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*paren
< 1254746384 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't understand why they released Win98, Win98SE, WinME, and Win2k all in such a short span of time
< 1254746401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Win98 didn't suck enough, so they added more IE to it hastily.
< 1254746422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, they decided that even that was too stable, so they messed with the kernel and made drivers unstable as fuck; this important change was named Me.
< 1254746426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: which is better, 98 or 98SE?
< 1254746437 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98SE, allegedly
< 1254746449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually someone came in who wasn't high on pot or drunk and took over, told them to make something that didn't suck based on NT 4 and 98SE, and mostly succeeded with 2k.
< 1254746451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from that whole IE Explorer thing.
< 1254746459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the change in 98 was probably so they could claim IE was a fundamental part of Windows
< 1254746462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably 98, because it had less IE
< 1254746465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 98SE is probably more stable
< 1254746466 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP is the merger of 2k and ME
< 1254746469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as both 98s were really unstable
< 1254746471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: wrong
< 1254746476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP is just 2000+1
< 1254746485 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2k was never offered to home users
< 1254746487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me was totally abandoned and left to die, because it really sucked and 2000 didn't
< 1254746492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: yes, but XP is purely based on 2k
< 1254746495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing else
< 1254746500 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1254746503 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mean literally
< 1254746505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1254746519 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but e.g. SB emulation in NTVDM was added for XP
< 1254746520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot "fisher price's art division" :)
< 1254746580 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME was left to die because nobody liked it, it was somewhat worse than 98SE (according to some people), even though it technically came out after 2000
< 1254746591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to some people? Me sucked, man
< 1254746614 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it had some good qualities (which I forget offhand, System Restore and some other features)
< 1254746617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was identical to 98SE but crashed much, much, much, much, MUCH more buggy, and removed the ability to shut down to DOS
< 1254746628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :System Restore is useless because it restores *everything*
< 1254746629 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3rd-party hack added back the DOS bit
< 1254746631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a virus could just wipe them
< 1254746635 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"crashed much more buggy"
< 1254746638 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did that to speed up bootup, I think
< 1254746641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: doesn't matter; it's still a thing that Me made worse
< 1254746645 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the buggy?
< 1254746652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, the moon buggy.
< 1254746671 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it was a hoax after all
< 1254746674 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying ME wasn't worse overall, just saying it's hard to say conclusively
< 1254746705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure I've never come across anyone apart from my father saying Me is great. (Also, it's not CAPITALISED, just as MAC isn't.)
< 1254746717 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Millenium Edition
< 1254746721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1254746723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter
< 1254746724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look it up
< 1254746732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Windows Me: Millennium Edition
< 1254746734 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\me looks up Me
< 1254746749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a backwards \
< 1254746758 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Wii except Me
< 1254746759 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wouldn't be funny then  ;-)
< 1254746785 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Wii is a stupid name, Me is at least semi-reasonable
< 1254746802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing wrong with the Wii name, apart from some juvenile antics
< 1254746820 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong?? it's not a word, it makes no sense, etc.
< 1254746825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean like all names?
< 1254746829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least most.
< 1254746830 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: My point was the pronunciation
< 1254746846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's short, it's "cute", and it's slightly odd (the double i mixes weirdly with the w). It represents the Wii perfectly well.
< 1254746866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody listens to the literal meaning of a name except to make terrible puns about not needing gates in a world without windows, so who cares?
< 1254746867 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as XBox 360, I don't like the name
< 1254746881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And PlayStation. I mean, what? It's not a train station or a bus station or anything.
< 1254746882 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointless
< 1254746883 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "Rugxulo"?
< 1254746894 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense  ;-)
< 1254746896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a box with electronics inside it, not a station of ANY KIND.
< 1254746900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STUPID.
< 1254746913 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Game Boy is sexist, omg
< 1254746914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GameCube? It's not a cube that is a game. STUPID.
< 1254746920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game Boy isn't even an animal.
< 1254746936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atari? WHAT IS AN ATARI?!
< 1254746945 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some move in Go)
< 1254746953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS A COMPUTER NOT A MOVE
< 1254746959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amiga? It is NOT a female human, and if it was it probably wouldn't be your friend!
< 1254746962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeeeeeeeeetc
< 1254746976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Opera?! It doesn't even have any fat ladies!)
< 1254746983 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: A state, not a move
< 1254746983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rimshot*
< 1254746989 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opera is the plural of opus (Latin)
< 1254746995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atari isn't quite a move in Go
< 1254746997 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning "[a] work"
< 1254747003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a strategic situation, I think
< 1254747005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPERA IS A SINGLE WORK
< 1254747006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT MULTIPLE ONES
< 1254747008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH
< 1254747012 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yep
< 1254747014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes
< 1254747014 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mail, IRC, www
< 1254747015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember exactly what it is, although IIRC some rulesets have to special-case it
< 1254747017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very nice name, incidentally
< 1254747021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: unified under one project.
< 1254747038 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"polite way of saying check" (or something, I dunno)
< 1254747052 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's when a group of stones can be captured on the next move
< 1254747064 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sente" is another one, I think
< 1254747066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, NT niggles:
< 1254747072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Fitt's law aaaaaaargh
< 1254747079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Why isn't it recognizing my mouse wheel? It did before I installed all those updates.
< 1254747081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Fitts'
< 1254747083 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fitts, I thought we established   ;-)
< 1254747087 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1254747095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It recognized it as a Mouse Port mouse, but still.
< 1254747100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It now recognizes it as a PS/2 mouse.)
< 1254747108 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't recall what sente is except that its counterpart is gote
< 1254747135 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, worst name ever:   OS/2
< 1254747137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotesente.
< 1254747139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotesen.te
< 1254747149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, ooh, let's see what Flash Player I can get! EXCITING!
< 1254747158 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: A follow-up from PS/2
< 1254747162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it blend^Wyoutube?
< 1254747170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow.
< 1254747172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It installed Flash 10.
< 1254747178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash 10 can't possibly support NT 4, can it?
< 1254747193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1254747197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installs, breaks.
< 1254747202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wants SetFilePointerEx.
< 1254747209 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, but there's a really small Linux distro (xPUD, 50 MB) that claims to have Flash 10 out of the box
< 1254747211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could at least have checked the OS...
< 1254747221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: it'll have a recent kernel.
< 1254747238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet, the uninstaller errors out
< 1254747245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk about vendor lockin
< 1254747263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, it disappeared but is still there
< 1254747264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCITING
< 1254747279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's gone now
< 1254747279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1254747357 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gotta hit the dusty trail ...
< 1254747389 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy NT 4
< 1254747405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think "enjoy" is too strong
< 1254747417 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, try   ;-)
< 1254747432 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, you never did try DOSBox   ;-)
< 1254747463 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, adios!
< 1254747475 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
< 1254747586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOSBox doesn't work; installer fails to create start menu shortcut or Add/Remove entry, and links with SHGetSpecialFolderPathA (funnily enough, that same function although I think W not A is the reason the latest seamonkey doesn't work on win95)
< 1254747638 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can install the Unicode stuff for Win95 which might make that work
< 1254747653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NT supports Unicode, no?
< 1254747665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I can save files as Unicode in Notepad.
< 1254747668 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1254747679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will the 95 stuff work, then?
< 1254747689 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because you already have it
< 1254747695 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant for Seamonkey
< 1254747700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1254747709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's the function itself not there, not the variant
< 1254747713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both W and A don't exist in it
< 1254747717 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254747721 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1254749012 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@83.183.181.73 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254749259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1254749269 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.115 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254749478 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254750651 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, I couldn't help myself, and had to make a TI-86 port of robotfindskitten.
< 1254750768 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asm?
< 1254750876 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1254750889 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't get a fancy greyscale splash screen with TI-basic. :p
< 1254750898 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1254750914 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/rfk86/ and screen_splash.png
< 1254750941 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The picture is as-yet-without-permission lifted from the rfk "ultimate fanpage".
< 1254751033 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tabs for alignment!
< 1254751037 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evil
< 1254751084 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes. I use them in assembler files with 8-column tabs; it's sufficiently retro.
< 1254751101 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do the whole "automatic tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment" in more.. structured languages.
< 1254751138 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And actually I think the Perl scripts in there are all four-spaces-no-tabs-at-all indented.
< 1254751154 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit of variety in indentation styles is good for the soul.
< 1254751162 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1254751172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| rfk86 v0.1.f8e11a0b3b0e39addfc8a0316bc5b21fa8a26ec6 |
< 1254751172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1254751185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| How to Compile It (if You have the Source Package)  |
< 1254751185 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the Git tag object hash there in the version. :p
< 1254751190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh, you need the source to compile it?
< 1254751233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, you can compile it directly from the binary
< 1254751242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(quines need more love...)
< 1254751277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how are you so cool to do that in like two days.
< 1254751284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need more motivation :|
< 1254751371 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more like three days. Though admittedly I spent one day fiddling with a deflate decompressor, got it half-way done (it builds the dynamic Huffman trees from the deflate code-length format) then decided to screw it and just embed the ~20k of message data as-is; I mean, who cares if it eats ~24k of the 96k of memory available for storing programs in the TI-86?
< 1254751388 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :24K? O_o
< 1254751409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screeeeeeeeeeeew you. Maybe I should learn TI-86 assembly so I can be a cool kid.
< 1254751419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe HP CALCULATOR REVERSE POLISH LISP.
< 1254751423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that can do graphics though.
< 1254751425 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hey, when you have rfk86, what else do you need in your calculator?
< 1254751437 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P
< 1254751462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you should make the version number the sha-1 of every file tarred, including the file with the version number
< 1254751474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use that ioccc entry to do it :P
< 1254751477 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Anyway, 19k of that is the uncompressed messages, and ~2.4k more is uncompressed bitmaps. When I am lazy, I really *am* lazy.
< 1254751490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are that many messages
< 1254751493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/?/
< 1254751513 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently: see messages.txt
< 1254751513 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are somewhat over 400 of them, yes.
< 1254751515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah; anyone know how to turn off that stupid Gecko caret that positions when you click text?
< 1254751521 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :408
< 1254751543 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :die "aieee, wrapping problem: $msg" if $break < 0;
< 1254751553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[It's a blatant plug for Ogg Vorbis, http://www.vorbis.com/]]
< 1254751568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly we need a robotfindskitten variant played entirely with ear and microphone.
< 1254751573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using Vorbis.
< 1254751576 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Right, that shouldn't happen; and it won't unless you mess with messages.txt.
< 1254751594 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Admittedly it could be "return $msg" instead of "die" there, I just wanted to see if it actually happens.
< 1254751596 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.115 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254751599 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many messages did you have to remove to make that pass? ;-)
< 1254751612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1254751617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you have to add INT_MAX-408
< 1254751623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read that code, I'm just guessing
< 1254751624 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None, they're all there. It would only trigger if you had a 32-character no-whitespace sequence in a message.
< 1254751629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw.
< 1254751648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does this thing work on a real ti-83
< 1254751655 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, 86.
< 1254751661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatevs
< 1254751661 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI-86; there was a TI-83+ port already.
< 1254751667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1254751670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost identical, no?
< 1254751675 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could test if I bothered to
< 1254751679 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523
< 1254751679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|  Inform (C-64)
< 1254751679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|  By John Charroux
< 1254751679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|
< 1254751679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|  This is a version of the Inform port (.z5 relase
< 1254751679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|  6) converted with the inf2d64 utility to
< 1254751680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|  Commodore 64 disk format.
< 1254751686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that's just ridiculous
< 1254751694 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I presume fizzie already did
< 1254751697 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or emulated only?
< 1254751715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers writing rfk in Plain English
< 1254751716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO
< 1254751717 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it says so.
< 1254751718 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Emulated only; the reason is in the README.txt.
< 1254751735 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope the kittens didn't get a stomachache
< 1254751748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you actually obligated to fashion the piece?
< 1254751752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, legally?
< 1254751757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M NOT SURE THAT'S FREE AS IN FREEDOM.
< 1254751771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't know how laws work. I guess it's what they call a moral duty.
< 1254751787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasn't been ported to an fpga yet :(
< 1254752082 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI-86 was the only "computer" I had that didn't already run it, I think. (Since the "POSIX" version just needs curses, and therefore probably runs on all "real computers", and the j2me version is midp-1-only so it works even on the crummy N-gage.)
< 1254752129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see... I'd need an iPhone version (I guess I could use a terminal emulator), a gamecube version, a gameboy advance version, an ipod version (rockbox can play doom!)...
< 1254752135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old ipod that is, greyscale
< 1254752147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1254752158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's that shitty nokia dumbphone. doubt that could run anything
< 1254752167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and something that can run on mac os 9.
< 1254752177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that exists though
< 1254752179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, plus something for my router.
< 1254752188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that covers it
< 1254752209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the obvious boring linux and stuff
< 1254752234 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have the network disk server and the WLAN access point, too, but since those are just embedded Linux systems, I'm sure you could mangle the original sources in there with a bit of work; not so interesting.
< 1254752256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same for my router.
< 1254752267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably iPhone with a terminal emulator.
< 1254752287 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit surprised there's no flashy iPhone version yet, though; there's Android and Maemo (though those are pretty recent).
< 1254752317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can never find zen with an iPhone. That's why Steve Jobs, a Buddhist, is trying to kill the App Store with awful policies.
< 1254752325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He realised what a terrible, terrible crime he has committed.
< 1254752656 0 :MigoMipo!i=54d9010d@gateway/web/freenode/x-wlzjazgfxjtldmft JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254752730 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254752734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan
< 1254752834 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, one jar.
< 1254752858 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats ehird -----###
< 1254752864 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello there
< 1254752866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TALISMAN
< 1254752873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still had my force field of dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom
< 1254752883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooom
< 1254752889 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then you are doomed, then.  how tragic.
< 1254753008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how tragic? well personally i think it's magic
< 1254753051 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic is tragic.  everytime i dream of doing magic, it ends up going wrong.
< 1254753059 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Draaaaaa-gon, draaaaaa-gon; something reminded me of the chanting conspiracisists in the Discworld game.
< 1254753065 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost a recurring dream, but with variations
< 1254753081 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would rhyme better with "i end up doing a fat chick"
< 1254753097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD
< 1254753103 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this night, i ended up being stuck at shrunk to 2 m - usual size
< 1254753109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude
< 1254753111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that juxtaposition
< 1254753121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklopol> would rhyme better with "i end up doing a fat chick"
< 1254753122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> this night, i ended up being stuck at shrunk to 2 m - usual size
< 1254753147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, for a value of night ~~ about half an hour ago)
< 1254753148 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reason they call it a "cod piece"
< 1254753280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: er, what?
< 1254753312 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Sounds *fishy*, eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eee...
< 1254753317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fish
< 1254753318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fishy
< 1254753319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahaha
< 1254753320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fish
< 1254753322 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure about the details, but you know, norwegian dudes have massive cocks, and they like cod.
< 1254753323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the fish fish magic dance
< 1254753333 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the massive cock thing being the juxtaposition ehird mentioned
< 1254753344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it
< 1254753350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't intending to make that reference.
< 1254753351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally
< 1254753362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care what you intended
< 1254753368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY OKLOPOL MAYBE YOU READ YOUR EFFENZCXZIALOZIATION INTO THE WORLD
< 1254753375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUH, HUH
< 1254753404 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it may be massive, but 2m - usual size would still not count as "shrunk"
< 1254753427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is shrinking, your penis must be over 1m
< 1254753438 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i consider massive
< 1254753439 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it would have to be
< 1254753478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this was a dream... it could have been
< 1254753532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many flautists are present for the......................
< 1254753532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISCO
< 1254753541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it was 3m - usual size, i think.  it's a bit unclear but i felt like a dwarf, not a lilliputian
< 1254753576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3m - your size is not a dwarf
< 1254753583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh wait it was 3m - usual size, i think"
< 1254753584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok lol
< 1254753601 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i guess it's close to it
< 1254753610 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.18 m is not a dwarf?
< 1254753623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 3 meter penis size is a dwarf in finland?
< 1254753625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1254753635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T BLAME ME OKLOPOL CORRUPTED MY MIND
< 1254753684 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf was i calculating
< 1254753705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1254753711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are 182cm?
< 1254753724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are yall talking about
< 1254753733 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: penises, keep up
< 1254753741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last i measured.  which admittedly was many years ago.  i may indeed have shrunk.
< 1254753745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm 182 cm ~= 6ft
< 1254753752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1254753757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a, comedy option) jesus christ
< 1254753764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) i always imagined you as short.
< 1254753773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's because you're inoffensive.
< 1254753787 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think i confused 160 and 180 in my head, they taste very similar
< 1254753801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's a new kind of synasthewhateveria
< 1254753805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are friends, so to speak
< 1254753825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<thue> It definitively does not cost $17 to server 3 gluon-bits (gb) to a customer.
< 1254753831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an idiotic quote, that's why I was pasting it
< 1254753834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I've noticed the username
< 1254753839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a coincidence
< 1254753871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles evilly
< 1254753875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gluon-bits? is he trying to be funny by misunderstanding "gb"?
< 1254753919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly
< 1254753930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the context?
< 1254753932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially has he uses "GiB" later in the same comment
< 1254753945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the context is manufacturers charging $17 P&P for free upgrades to Windows 7
< 1254753952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, this appears to be not Microsoft's fault this time
< 1254753957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just greedy PC manufacturers
< 1254753974 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well maybe he is commenting on capitalization?
< 1254753991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue sounds like one of those people who uses ``quotes like these'', always adds the nose to their emoticons and uses a lot of retarded Jargon File terminology
< 1254753994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably uses emacs
< 1254754004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wildly stereotyping here, but that's the vibe I got
< 1254754048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: does he have a cat or a dog?
< 1254754069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything, one cat.
< 1254754087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he also probably has a disdain for laptops - ok, I'm really going off the deep end here
< 1254754154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION used to add a nose to emoticons, but you have corrupted me
< 1254754183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I do it quite a lot, but not all the time
< 1254754188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means this guy is _my complete opposite_.  well, if i had a dog.
< 1254754212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in comparison with the other personality traits of this archetype, though, it just gives off the snooty-person-with-dirty-unkempt-beard
< 1254754215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vibe
< 1254754251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, you know what
< 1254754260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired of all this yabba jabba about ESO-os
< 1254754267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'ma make a new source tree
< 1254754272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't have a beard either.  the plot thickens!
< 1254754273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernelism!
< 1254754365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerning on in the kernel
< 1254754532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now where's that enlightening forum thread
< 1254754541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got some metasemantics on the fuckin' x86 to do
< 1254754593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you like ESO, don't you?
< 1254754599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i nev *hit by falling anvil*
< 1254754607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1254754614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes
< 1254754625 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with noses?
< 1254754631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good! then be unexcited, because i am be king of vaporware
< 1254754713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: they're snotty and impolite
< 1254754740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i meant the eso os btw
< 1254754744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not eso std
< 1254754744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, iwc
< 1254754791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: she already _said_ she was going to betray them.  how stupid can you get? :D
< 1254754798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah exactly
< 1254754807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and I don't get xkcd today
< 1254754822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I like both
< 1254754833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1254754835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pun on reverse polish notation, and polish sausage
< 1254754838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although EsoOS or whatever is probably good for unambiguating
< 1254754847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's a reference to geek culture
< 1254754849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INSTANT HILARIOUS LAUGHTER
< 1254754862 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: synthesized laughter
< 1254754870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST ADD WATER
< 1254754877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh that is supposed to be "bun saussage in"?
< 1254754880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1254754916 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: overanalyzing.  it's just the position of bun and sausage that are reversed
< 1254754923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( sausage )
< 1254754925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( ) sausage
< 1254754935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sausage is an operator
< 1254754938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( and ), the bun, are arguments
< 1254754942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( sausage ) is calling sausage with ( and )
< 1254754944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is ( ) sausage
< 1254754956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case you haven't realised yet IT'S NOT A JOKE, it's a shitty unfunny reference
< 1254754957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 90% of recent xkcds
< 1254754957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1254754971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at your explanation)
< 1254754974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not at xkcd)
< 1254754983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed I'm aware of this.
< 1254755744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six word NT 4 review: 95, doesn't crash, configuration little awkwarder.
< 1254755793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonus five-word additional review: Maximum DirectX 3 = forget non-retro-games.
< 1254755995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, crazy ESO idea: think one-time pads, but for obscurity, not security
< 1254756017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no single thing can know all the state of the system, even if it talks to another that knows the bit it's missing
< 1254756046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, no kernel is possible; every object has to govern a set of neighbour objects and with the whole of them, the entire system is accounted for
< 1254756048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the zero-knowledge OS
< 1254756091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully, this isn't just a constraint coded in, but actually done cryptographically, so that it could not be subverted by e.g. exploited the OS code
< 1254756339 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language with classes that can be instantiated as objects. The only ways to obtain reference to another object is to either be that object, create that object yourself, or receive reference in message from some object that already has it. All system resources are represented by objects (main method is called with message containg all sorts of system resources).
< 1254756365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, that's boring; if you become chums with the other objects you can see the whole system.
< 1254756375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, that just sounds like an exokernel to me.
< 1254756419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea I have would be the little neighbourhood dictatorships of kernelling objects compete to complete certain tasks, and other neighbourhoods work to make them collide in a way to produce what they want,e tc.
< 1254756421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*, etc.
< 1254756438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the whole system is a war of object-dictatorship-neighbourhoods that cannot know all the others.
< 1254756475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonus: Two objects might be given the same object to dictate, and they'll have to figure out why it's changing from underneath them and change the object to boot out the other kernel.
< 1254756580 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If those objects are implemented at "hardware" level, and "peripherals" show up as objects too, such system would not need supervisor mode.
< 1254756753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of having to work your way up the rung just to get to certain parts of the system.
< 1254756763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be like a game you play by writing programs into the OS.
< 1254756868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it would be rather like being involved in a codenomic
< 1254756878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except all the time, and you have to scam your way up
< 1254756886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1254756933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system objects would be written with different tactics; sure, they'd have a job to do, but they'd have to fight other groups, bully their own pilgrim objects (that may themselves have similar plots), fight off any maliciousness in *their* kernel, ...
< 1254756938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be haywire!
< 1254757293 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I am leaving. You are about to explode."
< 1254757698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, there are actually people in ##language-holy-wars
< 1254757705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not any more, though
< 1254757707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, just me
< 1254757733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was there?
< 1254757739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"So you scared them away?"
< 1254757779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: me and kerio92
< 1254757782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was linked in #nethack
< 1254757863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i must admit that NT 4 is very nice
< 1254758113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1254759074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...WTF, Windows?
< 1254759084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I delete one registry item and suddenly... menus are opening without the delay first.
< 1254759089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. Put that back god dammit. It's irritating.
< 1254759278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not odd that messing in the registry causes settings to change
< 1254759290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless of course the key was completely unrelated
< 1254759297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entry was a key relating a program executable name to a path.
< 1254759307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm
< 1254759315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had to do with enabling buttons 4 and 5 on a Microsoft mouse, which I don't have.
< 1254759320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah WHAT THE FLYING FUCKING SHIT.
< 1254759321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't say I see how it would affect menu delay indeed
< 1254759336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it also happens to handle menu delay
< 1254759338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the mouse driver chooses when to send the "show menu event". That would be (a) exciting (b) retarde.d
< 1254759340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*retarded.
< 1254759341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, snap.
< 1254759357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Just tried it.
< 1254759359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does.
< 1254759366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cries
< 1254759369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, changing it back fixes it?!
< 1254759379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my
< 1254759386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran the background program in question (point32) and it fixed itself.
< 1254759397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, time to uninstall those drivers, reinstall them, and accept the tiny little process in the background.
< 1254759408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that the scroll wheel worked without it running, so I assumed I didn't need it...
< 1254759424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for menu delay heh
< 1254759439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: At least it (v3) beats the v4 of the same drivers; they require IE 4 for god knows what reason.
< 1254759443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOUSE DRIVERS.
< 1254759470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, microsoft mouse
< 1254759477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet the control panel requires IE or something
< 1254759480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl
< 1254759486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's how you get scroll wheels working in 95/NT4.
< 1254759505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, at least NT 4 is stable enough that I can mess around with stuff like that and then put it back together as it was without breaking things.
< 1254759534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably said it before.... but: MS mice are actually very comfortable. That is about the only think microsoft did well IMO.
< 1254759545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently their ergonomic keyboards are good too.
< 1254759563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no opinion on that due to not having tried those
< 1254759587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway microsoft should really switch to develop HID stuff. And leave the software to companies like Apple.
< 1254759587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I currently use a bog-standard shiny-black two-buttons-and-a-clickable-wheel wireless (USB dongle) Logitech mouse.
< 1254759603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can HID handle 5 remappable buttons
< 1254759606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*buttons?
< 1254759607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For things like games.
< 1254759614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remappable at driver leve.
< 1254759616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*level
< 1254759626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1254759630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um HID is a generic sort of interface
< 1254759631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant
< 1254759635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The HID specification
< 1254759637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB HID for example
< 1254759639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to human interface devices
< 1254759648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I meant human interface devices in general
< 1254759648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, "MS stop writing drivers, let Apple write them"
< 1254759653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bizarre sentiment...
< 1254759676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes the spec should be able to handle 5 buttons I believe
< 1254759690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but remappable before the game gets to them?
< 1254759694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with a 36-button joystick of mine showing up as a HID device
< 1254759699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :36 buttons?
< 1254759700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the fuck.
< 1254759704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I mentioned it before
< 1254759708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No way you can possible make use of all those.
< 1254759710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :throttle + joystick
< 1254759721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, throttle+joystick shows up as one HID device
< 1254759747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fun fact: There is a C:\WINNT\Profiles\Administrator with the desktop and stuff and a "Personal" folder, yet the home path is set to C:\...)
< 1254759761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This applies to every other user too; we all call C:\ home sweet home.)
< 1254759766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 axis in total I think. Or was it 12? Anyway two of them are for one of the hat switches for example.
< 1254759775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, axis don't count as proper buttons :P
< 1254759778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and buttons. Some are one button that can be flipped in more than one way
< 1254759778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*axes
< 1254759780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like up and down
< 1254759781 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1254759789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking 36 actual push buttons
< 1254759791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is beyond useless
< 1254759792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, none of those 36 *are* axis
< 1254759796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1254759797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :36 shows up as *buttons*
< 1254759799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a picture of this thing.
< 1254759802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's retarded.
< 1254759807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, google Saitek X52 Pro
< 1254759832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ozhardware.com.au/images/stories/review_images/Input%20Devices/Saitek%20X52%20Pro/x52top.jpg
< 1254759833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee
< 1254759841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and one of the hats shows up as 4 buttons, the other hat shows up as two axis
< 1254759841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really see 36 buttons there.
< 1254759842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^
< 1254759844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any spot where there could be
< 1254759858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, how much does this thing cost.
< 1254759862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, on the base of the joystick there are three buttons. that can be moved up/down
< 1254759867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one button for up, another for down
< 1254759871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is how it shows up in HID
< 1254759881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn';t count as an actual button :P
< 1254759883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*doesn't
< 1254759885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah not 36 *physical* buttons. But 36 in HID
< 1254759890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what I said all along
< 1254759897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ho many physical buttons?
< 1254759899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*How
< 1254759920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as for cost, no idea. was on wishlist for bday present a few years ago.
< 1254759941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly like 200 quid looking at the size of it
< 1254759942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hard to define. for example the "trigger" has two levels (shows up as two buttons)
< 1254759948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like press it half way in, press it fully in
< 1254759952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h�h� sausage
< 1254759962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joystick
< 1254759962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1254759962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PENIS
< 1254759965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the question
< 1254759978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i become more stupid whenever oklopol talks
< 1254759984 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1254759996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh and see the blank metal wheel on the top of the joystick? that is a three choice button.
< 1254759997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too!
< 1254760005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shows up as "always one of a set of three pressed"
< 1254760016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a bit hard to say how many physical ones
< 1254760034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it all depends on what you count as a button
< 1254760036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why MS thinks I need a start menu folder for their mouse
< 1254760082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just one icon in it?
< 1254760082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like an uninstaller link or such too?
< 1254760131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw that joystick uses the hall effect rather than potentiometers for the joystick itself (I think the throttle uses a pot, not sure)
< 1254760133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Hardware -> Mouse -> Healthy Computing Guide, IntelliPoint (opens the Mouse control panel, which has button configuration stuff if you have the drivers installed), Online User's Guide (online as in Windows Help). c:\winnt\profiles\all users\start menu\programs\... click... <del>... zzap
< 1254760155 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254760165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better.
< 1254760179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how my system is emulating a Soundblaster 16 for NT.
< 1254760180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very retro.
< 1254760305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NT seems to be where they really redesigned Windows and had it working stably, fast, securely and with good backwards-compatibility. I wonder why it went downhill a bit.
< 1254760544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw about sound, I can't get sound to work with windows 7 in virtualbox
< 1254760558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What soundcard are you emulating; AC97?
< 1254760561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes
< 1254760565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it says no driver found
< 1254760582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to enable it at install time, and enabling after doesn't work
< 1254760593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put in the Win7 CD before doing it.
< 1254760601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tried that too
< 1254760601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1254760601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that fails, uber-lazy fix: Tell it to emulate a Soundblaster 16 instead, then check again.
< 1254760605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that fails: Dig for the driver on the CD.
< 1254760627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1254760880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, windows xp starts in about 20 seconds from hitting start vm to that it is up and running
< 1254760887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows 7 takes maybe a minute
< 1254760898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That 20 second figure is wrong; XP isn't that fast.
< 1254760899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up and running = login window displayed and actually responds to input
< 1254760909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, checked with stop watch
< 1254760914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is xp x64 btw
< 1254760921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, install them on real hardware instea.
< 1254760924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*instead
< 1254760934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win7 boots up faster for me, subjectively at least.
< 1254760960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, didn't find any usb disk that was large enough for windows 7
< 1254760972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A USB stick would take *several* minutes to start up; they are horrifically slow.
< 1254760981 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254760987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no space on main disk
< 1254760998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well,*
< 1254761335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for locating driver. what manufacture would it be for AC97...
< 1254761350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, none. AC'97 is a standard. Intel, I guess.
< 1254761359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, just make it SB16 and be lazy
< 1254761360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looked in generic and intel hm
< 1254761397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm if that is supported
< 1254761413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it is; it was even supported in 95.
< 1254761421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SB16 is the lowest common denominator.
< 1254761433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped support for outdated hardware
< 1254761454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the Soundblaster 16? That card is *everything*.
< 1254761456 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.115 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254761464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone had one.
< 1254761478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb me
< 1254761630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, they reesigne http://mozilla.org/. Now it looks like a socialist political site.
< 1254761715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: is your d key broken?
< 1254761726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"reesigne" seems like a ridiculous typo to manage without something like that
< 1254761731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be unaware of its current position in 3 space.
< 1254761744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shoul coe ESO like this.
< 1254761747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No s!
< 1254761760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I almost choked then
< 1254761766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't talk like that while I'm drinking water
< 1254761774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::
< 1254761897 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/10/conservapdia_has_a_new_project.php sweet
< 1254761916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not new, quite a few timelengths ol actually
< 1254761925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that : was meant to be ecks-ee by the way
< 1254761928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1254761930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colon-ee
< 1254761935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1254761962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that : line
< 1254761967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was meant to say :-that-letter
< 1254761968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :capitals
< 1254761969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emoticon
< 1254761988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: the subject of that article is ridiculous
< 1254761998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the article itself is quite good at pointing out the ridiculousness
< 1254762005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more simply: 'that's riiculous"
< 1254762067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah
< 1254762101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the theory seems to be that the current translations of the Bible are obviously wrong due to not being sufficiently conservative, thus they must have been mistranslated or otherwise reported incorrectly
< 1254762115 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Socialistic terminology permeates English translations of the Bible, without justification. This improperly encourages the "social justice" movement among Christians.
< 1254762118 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, the conservative word "volunteer" is mentioned only once in the ESV, yet the socialistic word "comrade" is used three times, "laborer(s)" is used 13 times, "labored" 15 times, and "fellow" (as in "fellow worker") is used 55 times.
< 1254762143 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project
< 1254762196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck.
< 1254762201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonus: My  key is sporaic
< 1254762202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff
< 1254762204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f
< 1254762205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f key
< 1254762214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck this fucking piece of shit broken-ass keyboar
< 1254762404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone buy me a as keyboar or something
< 1254762432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no luck at all with sb 16. Doesn't even show up as a missing device
< 1254762522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"volunteer" is conservative?
< 1254762530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... that's people doing things for no money, it'll collapse the economy
< 1254762732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"liberals will oppose this effort, but they will have to read the Bible to criticize this, and that will open their minds"
< 1254762738 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kinda lolled
< 1254762742 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1254762758 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like they're constantly making fun of themselves
< 1254762801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if it's a splinter group formed by the people who joined conservapedia just to troll
< 1254762807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have been good at not being found out so far
< 1254762825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(statistically speaking, we can expect at least one thus-far-undetected conservapedia troll)
< 1254763080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, there's a Windows version of Evince?
< 1254763098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading random reddit comments has paid off!
< 1254763116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1254763122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the avantage over sumatra
< 1254763154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it renders better
< 1254763172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sumatra has, for me at least, rounded the widths of lines down from less than half a pixel to 0 pixels
< 1254763175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mupfvff has better winows support than poppler, oesn't it
< 1254763176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok
< 1254763178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which renders them rather difficult to see
< 1254763221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wow this is retarded, the windows 7 cd autorun thing offers me to upgrade windows 7 to windows 7 XD
< 1254763240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it offers that regarless o harf frive space
< 1254763240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in
< 1254763242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it oesnt check
< 1254763254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah I could see reinstall, but not upgrade
< 1254763283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it' ofer to upgrae fr-fos
< 1254763291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fail later
< 1254763296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://download.gnome.org/binaries/win32/evince/2.28/evince-2.28.0.msi
< 1254763297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exists
< 1254763313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway no luck with sb16. At least AC97 shows that the device exists
< 1254763315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next issue: I'd need Wine to actually check that it works
< 1254763318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya think it works on 16
< 1254763320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems rather counterintuitive
< 1254763466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nt
< 1254763467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 16
< 1254763801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, anyone with an nt-erive winows: wtf is %winir%\clock?
< 1254763848 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonexistent
< 1254763853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the dvd doesn't contain the data. It contains an opaque install.wim with all the stuff in
< 1254763866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ file /mnt/iso/sources/install.wim
< 1254763866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/mnt/iso/sources/install.wim: data
< 1254763875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eewiant: a the forbien letter an a fffffile extension
< 1254763876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are no other candidates for install data
< 1254763892 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No clock*
< 1254763912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that file is 2.7 GB btw
< 1254763958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, here's my C:\WINNT\clock.avi: http://filebin.ca/cwn{THAT LETTER I CAN'T TYPE COMING AFTER C}ww
< 1254763974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, D?
< 1254763978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1254763980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, ehird can't type d
< 1254763982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm
< 1254763986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: put one on the clipboard
< 1254763989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and type it with control-C
< 1254763992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*control-V
< 1254763999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An ffff is sporaic, so I have to hol it own, making me a fnake!
< 1254764004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*swatte*
< 1254764022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but I copy things all the time
< 1254764027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...
< 1254764036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi has a good solution to this problem
< 1254764056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, trying to use vim with a broken d key would be a pain
< 1254764066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the solution?
< 1254764088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG OMG OMG chm files work
< 1254764090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means I still have IE
< 1254764094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mshtml
< 1254764097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUST ERAICATE
< 1254764121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: multiple clipboards, each with a different keyboard shortcut to copy to and paste from it
< 1254764129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, with the typical vi equivalent of a keyboard shortcut
< 1254764198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay RELAX elliott, we can fin the lls
< 1254764203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an remove them
< 1254764229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish "completely obliterate IE" returne more google results
< 1254764325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how many keys would have to break before ehird's IRC-speech would be completely unintelligible
< 1254764338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let's see, with science
< 1254764342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will pop off two keys now
< 1254764345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi
< 1254764347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :76666
< 1254764353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one
< 1254764361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you mutilating your own keyboard?
< 1254764361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello goo chaps, how are ou toa?
< 1254764368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the caps fit bac on
< 1254764375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, but...
< 1254764382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the're broen, or whatever, lie f ans that letter after c
< 1254764402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still coherent? just preten i'm run|<.
< 1254764409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh go leetspea what have i one
< 1254764485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1254764525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time ffffffor two more
< 1254764529 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1254764556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhhhhhhgggggggggggggggg5444444444444444
< 1254764558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi gus!
< 1254764581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: goo moning ameica!
< 1254764591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aagh
< 1254764603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I thin fo the OS achitecute we nee bas secisions ans a capp ilesustem
< 1254764639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I maing an sot of bague sene?
< 1254764643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bagel sense!
< 1254764668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad decisiosn?
< 1254764671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bad decisions?
< 1254764693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are making a sort of vague sense, though
< 1254764712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bagel ecisions, cleal.
< 1254764718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But es, ba sessicions.
< 1254764745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oa, I'm so incompehsible that I'ma o one tei at a time.
< 1254764747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instea of 2.
< 1254764748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, you just need one decision that's so monumentally bad it forces the rest of the OS back into line
< 1254764756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm hitting the limits of the English language.
< 1254764757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1254764761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOL FUCING SHIT ^^^^
< 1254764766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1254764772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect
< 1254764781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which keys do you have left?
< 1254764791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwetuiopasfghjlzxcbnm
< 1254764792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd ask which you'd removed, but you might find it hard to answer...)
< 1254764802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thin I'll tae one off!
< 1254764849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in this postmoenist soiet, we neef eso OSs to ensue exonomi stabilit.
< 1254764861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you removed c?
< 1254764889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feathe is a language about weteoatibe xhanges to the intepete, itself wtieen in Feathe.
< 1254764896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ineef.
< 1254764903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inqeef.
< 1254764904 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1254764920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ehird> Bagel ecisions, cleal. <-- some kind of bred isn't it?
< 1254764920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, take off e
< 1254764930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sue!
< 1254764940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... I think the way it works is, that the interp isn't originally written in Feather
< 1254764943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but improvements to it are
< 1254764948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goos motning amuixa!
< 1254764948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such that the interp ends up mostly in Feather
< 1254764965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's a testament to the amount of redundancy in English that I actually understand that
< 1254765036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Owthogonal is a Bfung-stil languag wiht subual ogg fituis, inxluing gaphis pogamming.
< 1254765056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, remove e
< 1254765060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I if.
< 1254765062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fif.
< 1254765066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1254765069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's "Su_" fom abo.
< 1254765071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abof.
< 1254765081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in
< 1254765083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :affimati
< 1254765088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with two ltt missing
< 1254765091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wll
< 1254765092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, remove all keys except 0 and 1
< 1254765092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on
< 1254765094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now two
< 1254765094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and enter
< 1254765096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1254765105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1254765107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I am still ompwhinsibl?
< 1254765127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are you using a "hit nearest key" algorithm?
< 1254765134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, in what directiomn
< 1254765137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :direction*
< 1254765139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, you are
< 1254765143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it took me a few secnods for that one
< 1254765152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im tping aht-bff smms to aptu th wssnx bst.
< 1254765153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :secnods :D
< 1254765162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assantial assans.
< 1254765163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nods per second?
< 1254765170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u sii?
< 1254765192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ehird> Im tping aht-bff smms to aptu th wssnx bst. <-- "I'm typing ??? sms to ??? the wessex best"?
< 1254765213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err I think that is "wessex" even
< 1254765217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1254765217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail
< 1254765219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with W
< 1254765220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant
< 1254765231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"capture the essence", I think
< 1254765235 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, the rfk86 thing doesn't work with the same emulator here at home; though it's with the 1.6 ROM, but still.
< 1254765235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im tping Wat-abbw.
< 1254765239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat-abb, slang.
< 1254765247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ais++
< 1254765248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ehird> I'm typing what-ever seems to capture the essence best.
< 1254765255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a!
< 1254765259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is that emu for?
< 1254765261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I habw what, atuall.
< 1254765263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah.
< 1254765269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]
< 1254765276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\]//
< 1254765284 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: TI-86, of course. Weren't you here when I babbled about what I wrote? Hmm, maybe not.
< 1254765285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: this would be a great conversation for people to walk into the middle of
< 1254765296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, probably not
< 1254765313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Anoth? :-)
< 1254765316 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today at around 15 your time.
< 1254765323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am still ompwhsnibl?
< 1254765330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: to me
< 1254765333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not anyone else
< 1254765335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^
< 1254765335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to think, though
< 1254765347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that phrase "ompwhsnibl" is quite because you asked the same question a few times now
< 1254765352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no longer habit-reading, it's like reading before you've learnt to read
< 1254765355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wullo, wlx!
< 1254765364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wulx.
< 1254765367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wullo, wolx!
< 1254765371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1254765373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it
< 1254765377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your third statement
< 1254765385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello wolf?
< 1254765396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1254765400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Jow aw u luqi lot?
< 1254765400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what habitually follows "hello" in programs?
< 1254765406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hah
< 1254765407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :world
< 1254765411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you got rid of "h" too/
< 1254765415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm fine, thank yo
< 1254765418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you
< 1254765424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how can "lx" be anywhere nere "rd"?
< 1254765431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Wjat I sai?
< 1254765438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1254765438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rld*
< 1254765438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean
< 1254765439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's closer to "rld"
< 1254765444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: x = substitut onsonant
< 1254765446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird's been using x to substitute for arbitrary plosives
< 1254765457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly consonants in general
< 1254765474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wjat I sai: "Jow aw u luqi lot"?
< 1254765479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat I sai?
< 1254765481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ehird> So. Jow aw u luqi lot? <-- something about Lugi. Or maybe Mario?
< 1254765481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How are you lucky lot?"
< 1254765487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^
< 1254765493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn lag
< 1254765495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 seconds already
< 1254765501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So!
< 1254765505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa that was quite a few lines at once
< 1254765506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what?
< 1254765523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything from "<ais523> AnMaster: it's closer to "rld"" to "<ais523> So what?" arrived in one go
< 1254765529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I need to get a script to do that response... I do it far too often)
< 1254765579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, I accidentally inverse-videod the window
< 1254765581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to love Compiz
< 1254765583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wi all plai tja Wii; tju most mi-uxpumnt fuanxli gaming sistwm!
< 1254765609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bit awx, but xiabl.)
< 1254765610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We all play the Wii; the most ? family gaming system!"
< 1254765613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what the heck. Why even have a feature for it
< 1254765620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mi-uxpumnt" is fooling me atm
< 1254765624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to make it easier to read
< 1254765627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No @ famili
< 1254765630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Famili = famili
< 1254765633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1254765644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Famicom? wasn't that like NES for japan or such?
< 1254765647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ponounx fuanxli, wxagg. tj "ua"
< 1254765660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"friendly"/
< 1254765668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^
< 1254765679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still doesn't explain the "mi-uxpumnt", though
< 1254765682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mi uxpumunt: ponounx
< 1254765692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pounce?
< 1254765698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"uxpumunt" = "experiment"?
< 1254765702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesnt' seem to fit
< 1254765702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ja.
< 1254765710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am limitx!
< 1254765710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "Ja" == "Yes"?
< 1254765710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah...
< 1254765712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ja.
< 1254765714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so...
< 1254765714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, in German
< 1254765720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats to talking Swedish
< 1254765722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it fits a lot better with the letters ehird has left
< 1254765723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and in Swedish
< 1254765725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1254765737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ja = Yes. Nej = No
< 1254765764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fwtx is a languag wit mani tim taxwl pagoxws! It is fun.
< 1254765779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fwtx first made me think of fthang...
< 1254765788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Feather is a language with meany time travel paradoxes!"
< 1254765789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue what it is supposed to be though
< 1254765799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't need to translate the bit after the !
< 1254765810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... this is probably a very good way to speak in a way that only native speakers can understand
< 1254765812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Xjit sligtli; u no Fwtx so pix out tj ualaxant fax.)
< 1254765817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply because we have more redundancy
< 1254765817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes
< 1254765840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sync
< 1254765842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1254765844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong window
< 1254765855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, wrong computer
< 1254765864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was typing on another keyboard than I thought I did
< 1254765866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, it's hard not to cheat in this sort of situation
< 1254765869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Xjit sligtli; u no Fwtx so pix out tj ualaxant fax.)
< 1254765870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what was the tab-complete for?
< 1254765873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sai jat?
< 1254765891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I already had ais523 tab completed and was going to write something else
< 1254765900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Cheat slightly; you know Feather so pick out the relevant facts)"
< 1254765904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I forgot what keyboard I was on
< 1254765912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iai.
< 1254765917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IA64?
< 1254765927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yay", I expect
< 1254765928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you droped 6 and 4 that is
< 1254765930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1254765940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if ehird still has numbers
< 1254765945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fowbixxin xowil o not xowil? Tipinxs!
< 1254765946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he clearly has at least common punctuation marks
< 1254765952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(About iai)
< 1254765959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ehird> Fowbixxin xowil o not xowil? Tipinxs! <-- what ?
< 1254765964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forbidden
< 1254765966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess
< 1254765969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first word is clearly "forbidden"
< 1254765970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ja
< 1254765970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well there is "not"
< 1254765974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"xowil" is harder
< 1254765975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the rest
< 1254765979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is opaque to me
< 1254765982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although "Tipinxs" could be "typing"
< 1254765993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tjin abat xontaxt!
< 1254765999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Tjinq
< 1254766000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"think about context"
< 1254766003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ja.
< 1254766008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iai; wjat i?
< 1254766013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't have managed it with "Tjinq"
< 1254766016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i: fowbixxin. Xowil o not xowil?
< 1254766017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only with "Tjin"
< 1254766023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird
< 1254766025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tipinxs...
< 1254766038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ehird> i: fowbixxin. Xowil o not xowil? <-- something about "to be or not to be"?
< 1254766042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Na.
< 1254766057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming o is "or"
< 1254766069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though "to be" doesn't fir there
< 1254766071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fit*
< 1254766073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tipinxs wjatja owbixxin latta is xowil o not xowil.
< 1254766090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somtims xowil. Somtims not xowil. Xontaxt xjanjis it.
< 1254766105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais got it jigt
< 1254766108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, evil?
< 1254766121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just alping AnMast gugux it
< 1254766134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ais523 didn't say what it was above
< 1254766139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iai: ais got it bifow
< 1254766146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ja. Xix!
< 1254766146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bifocual?
< 1254766149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I'm letting you struggle
< 1254766149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1254766151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Iai"
< 1254766157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: u sax...
< 1254766159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm going to be busy
< 1254766170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Iai" = "Yay"
< 1254766170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> "yay", I expect
< 1254766171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not going to talk in here for a bit
< 1254766185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somtims xowil. Somtims not xowil. Fowbixxn, so "i".
< 1254766192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sii?
< 1254766238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sii? :/
< 1254766266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what it seems like 64-bit files on win64 are in c:\windows\system32
< 1254766272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1254766277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523?
< 1254766283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sort-of
< 1254766287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't get "xowil", though
< 1254766294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "evil" I think
< 1254766298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wjat littis in "iai"?
< 1254766307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i=y, there
< 1254766313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ja.
< 1254766319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x=arbitrary consonant
< 1254766320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tjat is... somtims a xowil.
< 1254766321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the w might be w or r
< 1254766325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "vowel"
< 1254766325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wjat littis in "iai"?
< 1254766326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it
< 1254766330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ja!
< 1254766331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1254766344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, ais523: am still, baali, xompijinsibl?
< 1254766354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1254766360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are still barely comprehensible
< 1254766363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sai bii to F!!!!!!
< 1254766364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what letters do you have left?
< 1254766375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwtuiopasgjlzxbnm
< 1254766390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awjul xollaxtion...
< 1254766407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1254766455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linx mii to wsolang wixi xanxom pag; witjout xlixing. Spasial janxom.
< 1254766505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Random
< 1254766511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me a few seconds to parse...
< 1254766524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unxisxanxibl.
< 1254766555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... actually, I suppose it was lexing that was the trouble
< 1254766557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not parsing
< 1254766582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BogusXowtj is an asotajix pwogamming languag inspiwx bi Xowtj an Xals, bi Antonio Masio in 2004.
< 1254766590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ja?
< 1254766595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its atixl is a stub.
< 1254766611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pajs WITJOUT loojing up!
< 1254766614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BogusForth
< 1254766615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pawjs.
< 1254766630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an esoteric programming language inspired by Forth and False
< 1254766636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by Antonio Masio in 2004
< 1254766654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quit Masio, but los anux.
< 1254766658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally, is /remembering/ a language from the wiki cheating?)
< 1254766659 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254766660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, Mario?
< 1254766668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm...
< 1254766669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Masxjio.
< 1254766677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :names are too hard in this
< 1254766680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't recognise them
< 1254766681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ja.
< 1254766756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pwox is an asotaix pwogamming languag b ijop. A pwogam is a list o linws; blanx linjs a ignowx, an # mawx a linj xommwnt.
< 1254766779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Pwos.
< 1254766795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring the name of the language for now...
< 1254766813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? is an esoteric language by ?. A program is a list of lines; blank lines are ignored, and # marks a line comment.
< 1254766817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proper nouns < everything else
< 1254766836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twi tj saxonx ?.
< 1254766841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tja
< 1254766843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Twii
< 1254766865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is Ijop in tj awtixl, I guwss, tjo.
< 1254766920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ?
< 1254766924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, doing something else
< 1254766935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, must be ihope
< 1254766937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who created it
< 1254766939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ja.
< 1254766942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of the esolangers I know
< 1254766961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, lwt mi majx tjis totalli impossibl. Xompajansibl?
< 1254766962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now I just have to wonder what Warrigal called it
< 1254766968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aj.
< 1254766976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P-w-o-s-?.
< 1254766979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"let me make this totally impossible. Comprehensible?"
< 1254767005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ja. But lat's xu nam xist.
< 1254767047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I have less confusing things to do
< 1254767070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Aw. I was just about to maj it nwjx-impossibl too.
< 1254767097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you keep going without the proper nouns, I can try in the background
< 1254767120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OX.
< 1254767171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sai bii bii to... i.
< 1254767176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ojj, sjiiiiiiiit.
< 1254767182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have you done wrong?
< 1254767194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gatting wix o i!
< 1254767197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now.
< 1254767208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jallo!
< 1254767270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.
< 1254767292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uj! Bu bu, o uns a.
< 1254767308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mugt us wull gu ull tju uwj.
< 1254767314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting rid of all the vowels?
< 1254767319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nut u.
< 1254767323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, just all the others
< 1254767333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jullu!
< 1254767342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwtupsgjlzxbnm
< 1254767398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U xunnut uxun tup ux numu nuw...
< 1254767416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I cannot ... now"
< 1254767421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "You cannot ... now"
< 1254767443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mu, nut u.
< 1254767450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1254767454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tupu
< 1254767457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nut tup
< 1254767519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably get your keyboard smaller by removing rare letters and keeping just a few vaguely different ones
< 1254767525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I mean sharply different
< 1254767529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm..
< 1254767530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but each covering its own vague area
< 1254767534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U jux up!
< 1254767605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iiiiii'm baaaaaaack!
< 1254767622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523.
< 1254767632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb
< 1254767641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what letters can you type now?
< 1254767670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All except that one after c; except they're all a bit mushy now, an of course f is very brittle.
< 1254767682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm instinctively avoiing the actual letters themselves an aiming for ones near them.
< 1254767686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1254767689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a new keyboard
< 1254767714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You nee a new trackpa :P
< 1254767744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my computer booted in diagnostic mode a while back
< 1254767747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what triggered it
< 1254767753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the hardware couldn't find the trackpad
< 1254767756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellod.
< 1254767759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's definitely a hardware not a software problem
< 1254767761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rttttttttttttttttttttttttttttoops
< 1254767761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hi d!
< 1254767779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My nails are too short to get this out argh
< 1254767848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, it seems to be possible to get Wikia's Special:Outbound in an infinite loop
< 1254767916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dddd
< 1254767932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctcrfrtrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre
< 1254767945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfffffffffrttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt4
< 1254767979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888885rtrttt
< 1254767984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :88/7
< 1254767987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dddddddddddddddddddsad
< 1254767988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dasdasd
< 1254767989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asaskljawetohni
< 1254768007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3
< 1254768008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1254768009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r
< 1254768015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1254768027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit... but...
< 1254768031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1254768033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddddddd
< 1254768051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999555555
< 1254768059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cffffffffrttrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr5tr
< 1254768071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9*
< 1254768080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ducking piece o acadmeic slime!
< 1254768096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you added keys back?
< 1254768106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird's d is now working but not the f, it seems
< 1254768111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttrrddd
< 1254768114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1254768140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing a totally intense keyboard mod guys
< 1254768163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'irst o' all, I've replaced the text on the cap o' my d key with "." on one line and "Del" on the other
< 1254768166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally kick-ass, right
< 1254768169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/?/
< 1254768172 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, it seems this 1.6 ROM actually, when starting a program, checks whether it has already loaded that particular program in memory, and does not re-copy it if it has. Which breaks some bits of self-modifying code that aren't explicitly initialized. (At least that's what it looks like, but that's completely bonkers: that would break any initialized data in the program that is modified.)
< 1254768174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> incidentally, it seems to be possible to get Wikia's Special:Outbound in an infinite loop <-- what is that page for?
< 1254768177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't decided what 31337 things to do to my -- key!
< 1254768180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: showing adverts
< 1254768189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oi, laugh.
< 1254768190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MADE JOKE.
< 1254768208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: this'll end in disaster
< 1254768212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, it started in disaster
< 1254768215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're no worse off...
< 1254768224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who uses the ./del key on the numpad anyway.
< 1254768228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT I
< 1254768241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ducking keys that are almost but not quite the same shape
< 1254768243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUCK THEM IN THE ASS
< 1254768254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22
< 1254768258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25
< 1254768261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :222222222221
< 1254768277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000220
< 1254768285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rrttttttttttttttt
< 1254768288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rttttttttrtf
< 1254768290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rtrttttr
< 1254768294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
< 1254768295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vvvvvvvvv
< 1254768301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rttrrrrttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttrtttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
< 1254768303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow ow ow ow ow
< 1254768308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rtttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
< 1254768315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rr
< 1254768356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tttttttttttttt
< 1254768360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3e3ghhiji
< 1254768367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dtttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt544t
< 1254768368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES
< 1254768373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VICTOOEY PIAT 1
< 1254768461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since when does wikipedia have ads!?
< 1254768470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Wikipedia != Wikia
< 1254768471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dail at eading cmopehension
< 1254768473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pay attention
< 1254768482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hah
< 1254768484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rrrrrrrrrrrrr
< 1254768502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i sound like a manic robot rom space with all o this
< 1254768504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sure hope so
< 1254768512 0 :Jerry!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1254768521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1254768524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fail at that too
< 1254768530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, you could probably waste Wikia's ad agency's money, and indirectly Wikia's when they get less of a good deal next time, by getting your browser to just run Special:Outbound in a loop
< 1254768532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't ask you
< 1254768545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you didn't specify who you were asking
< 1254768558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how?
< 1254768568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just go to Special:Outbound directly
< 1254768573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the redirect link redirects to itself
< 1254768576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, with JS off
< 1254768582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what happens if you turn it on
< 1254768606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no such special page
< 1254768607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on creatures wikia
< 1254768612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that error page is skinned in monaco, huh
< 1254768624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: follow an external link from Wikia, and see what the URL says
< 1254768777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there is no ad on the outbound page? So I fail to see how it would waste anything
< 1254768786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's added via JS
< 1254768790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you presumably have turned off
< 1254768791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I do
< 1254768800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but even with it on there are no ads
< 1254768806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is due to adblock then
< 1254768808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's weird
< 1254768813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less weird if you're using adblock
< 1254768818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sort-of what it's meant to do...
< 1254768855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he lnmewje just wanted an oppertunity to point out
< 1254768866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i use adblock"
< 1254769434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use adblock, don't complain that you can't see adverts...
< 1254769692 0 :jix!n=jix@e179232233.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254770180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi jix
< 1254772344 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1254772360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just ate a whole (small) garlic
< 1254772365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful
< 1254772366 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't say 7zip supports unraring. I have 7zip and it doesn't support unraring. (I have the latest version)
< 1254772366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1254772372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, asking me?
< 1254772377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ys
< 1254772382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 already gave the reason for his comment
< 1254772385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why not? garlic is wonderful
< 1254772390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it is slightly out of context
< 1254772393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, very out of context
< 1254772466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also I used one of those things you squeeze on that uses force on the garlic to compact it then dumping the thing on two sandwiches.
< 1254772471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see what I mean
< 1254772474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was wonderful
< 1254772481 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 7-zip web-site says it supports unpacking RAR archive, but I downloaded the latest version, and RAR is not supported.
< 1254772497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you expect us to know anything about this?
< 1254772525 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately I have PAEXT which does support RAR.
< 1254772561 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am commenting on a previous comment before now
< 1254772690 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, PAEXT isn't FOSS, but for now I will just have to deal with that, just like I have to deal with Windows, even though it isn't FOSS either.
< 1254772919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can you think of any good reason to *not* eat a garlic?
< 1254772924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't
< 1254773030 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, you are full of eating, that's why.
< 1254773074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, is that supposed to make sense?
< 1254773090 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eating = food
< 1254773100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation is surreal
< 1254773109 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
< 1254773111 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps "from eating", but that would be an error, instead of a weird phrasing
< 1254773130 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, I think that is supposed to make sense!
< 1254773141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed
< 1254773148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ah ok
< 1254773164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether to monologue about Feather, ignoring what the rest of the channel says
< 1254773174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wasn't full of food before I ate the garlic
< 1254773197 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been thinking about a lang too, only marginally esoteric though
< 1254773222 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that's kinda like j but for graphs
< 1254773242 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You can monologue like that if you want to, the other people who don't like that can ignore, split, highlight, or silence, your messages temporarily, if some people wants to do that.
< 1254773268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would people highlight my messages if they didn't like what I was saying?
< 1254773271 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This server supports the SILENCE command, the other three are client-side operations)
< 1254773299 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Highlight simply to separate the monologue with the rest of the messages to make them both distinct from each other
< 1254773299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses umount -f -i
< 1254773321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah
< 1254773326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting idea...
< 1254773343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and I'm interested in garli^Wfeather
< 1254773360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I haven't really got much further with it
< 1254773365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I've been doing other things
< 1254773382 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Espernet doesn't support SILENCE command. The SILENCE command is basically similar to an ignore feature but it works server-side instead of client-side.
< 1254773384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I'm wondering how an object can pass itself to its member functions
< 1254773391 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To try it, just send the command SILENCE to the server
< 1254773400 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And see if you get an error message or not.
< 1254773409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh
< 1254773414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'll work much the same way as loops in Unlambda
< 1254773423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, a technical problem that is confusing but has a simple solution
< 1254773531 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is feather tc without its superfeatures
< 1254773832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I give up with sound in windows 7, to fix I'm reinstalling (can still do since I didn't activate it yet)
< 1254773885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes because it embeds lambda calculus
< 1254773889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you aren't supposed to use it like that
< 1254773894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it isn't over-TC even with them)
< 1254773933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, code sample
< 1254773951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, just what the synytax will look like
< 1254773959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp-like? C-like? something else?
< 1254773959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to start with, it's very simple
< 1254773961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tokenise on spaces
< 1254773965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1254773969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ x | x ] is lambda x . x
< 1254773986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and [ ] without | inside is basically grouping parens
< 1254774001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a b c is (a(b))(c), like in Haskell
< 1254774013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know lambda calculus (nor unlambda)
< 1254774016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1254774021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I need to read up on them
< 1254774030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and nor do I know haskell
< 1254774040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely learn unlambda
< 1254774047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you'll probably want to learn lambda calculus first
< 1254774050 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda calculus is the calculus of functions, you have functions that can take functions as parameters and apply them to each other
< 1254774053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you won't be able to make sense of anything that's going on
< 1254774054 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda is horrible
< 1254774063 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lazy Bird is for cool cats
< 1254774071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I have looked at it, but I really can't think of a reasonable way to program in it
< 1254774079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it may be TC... but so is BCT...
< 1254774085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling from lambda calculus is the normal way
< 1254774095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even a basic lambda calculus is expressive enough to compile in directly
< 1254774096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, to?
< 1254774101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to Unlambda
< 1254774105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1254774108 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda calculus is easy enough
< 1254774119 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need to know a few basic functions
< 1254774120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to write in directly
< 1254774122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of how you program in lambda calculus
< 1254774130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the same way you program in C
< 1254774131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, mhm
< 1254774138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you have to generate your control and data structures on the fly
< 1254774142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah. No it isn't imperative, I know that much
< 1254774152 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, control is easy enough
< 1254774156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: agreed
< 1254774158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so is data
< 1254774163 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifs are basic
< 1254774167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can compile imperative programs into lambda calculus pretty directly
< 1254774173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: depends on how you define true and false!
< 1254774174 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can do loops with a modified Turing combinator
< 1254774187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally use `ki as false and i as true
< 1254774188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1254774190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. in Underlambda
< 1254774202 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did one, Señor Turingos
< 1254774207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You lost me already :P
< 1254774208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, say, `ki and k make an if easier
< 1254774209 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~U
< 1254774226 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saves me a bunch of tropubles
< 1254774252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: synergy will break out of mouse capturing apps (at least on non-server screen)
< 1254774262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the mouse reach the edge as it believe it is
< 1254774274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than as it is constrained by the mouse capturing app
< 1254774283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case the mouse capturing app is virtualboz
< 1254774285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :box*
< 1254774300 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck, what was señor Turingos again
< 1254774311 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot what was the formula
< 1254774394 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing combinator is just ^x^y.y(xxy)
< 1254774444 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add a stopping condition, some output and whatever changes for every step you need on the y's
< 1254774451 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that
< 1254774457 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good enough loop
< 1254774903 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the game "Super ASCII MZX Town Part II" is a good game? Or is Part I better?
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< 1254775230 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, zeux has spawned that much stuff? I thought it was just one game
< 1254775317 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUM_0cp5xgo)
< 1254775480 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, and it's freeware these days, too.
< 1254775741 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1254775901 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it really has spawned that much stuff.
< 1254775921 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MegaZeux is licensed by GNU GPL v2 or later version.
< 1254776086 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have also fixed bugs in MegaZeux and added some features, including feature to use Forth codes.
< 1254776161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of game is this?
< 1254776173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how is it pronounced? "mega sucks"?
< 1254776179 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I fail at Zeux
< 1254776188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what sort of game is it
< 1254776202 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MegaZeux is different from Zeux.
< 1254776298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1254776298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ^
< 1254776300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant
< 1254776304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of game is it
< 1254776313 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the youtube video?
< 1254776356 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh cool, Zeux has savegames, that'll help
< 1254776370 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
< 1254776370 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1254776373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, meh
< 1254776382 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh?
< 1254776400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, as in "system currently heavily loaded, will in a bit"
< 1254776434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, great... reinstalling *didn't* help for audio
< 1254776803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh windows 7 now bluescreened on me
< 1254776943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
< 1254776963 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Judging by the fact that this tab was highlighted, someone said my name or something.
< 1254777181 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screenshot of Part I: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/mzx1/ASCMZXTO/screen.png
< 1254777206 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screenshot of Part II: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_0F/screen0.png
< 1254777221 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For descriptions, see the MZX wiki and the actual games themself.
< 1254777551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, check scrollback...
< 1254777566 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. I saw nothing.
< 1254777937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, well then maybe there wasn't anything
< 1254778483 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:22:43 [.fi time] <ais523> so now I just have to wonder what Warrigal called it
< 1254778494 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That was three hours ago.)
< 1254778521 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, wonderful.
< 1254778578 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may have been Proce.
< 1254778625 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronounced like the word "pros" except with every letter that can be pronounced in two different ways pronounced the other way. :-P
< 1254778674 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's /prɑs/ or maybe /prɒs/.
< 1254778852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, heh read that as /proc/ first
< 1254778929 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of consonant is /c/, anyway? :-P
< 1254779053 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what language is 'o' /ɑ/? O_o
< 1254779096 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a suggestion(s) for my game, too?
< 1254779105 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part II is not finish being made yet, Part I is finish, OK
< 1254779333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Warrigal> It may have been Proce. <-- eh?
< 1254779342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant as in /proc on a *nix system
< 1254779356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1254779361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :massive reading failure
< 1254779364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to sleep
< 1254779499 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think somehow a gopher client could be written for GameBoy?
< 1254779506 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, NES/Famicom?
< 1254779508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1254779521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they even have network?
< 1254779535 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. But you could connect something using a extension port
< 1254779590 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am interested in these kind of hardware building, too. And then, you could make emulator that can connect to other programs for the extension port
< 1254779666 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think a gopher client could be written in Z-machine, MegaZeux, TADS, and various other things, from use of the program Z-Internet (which I wrote for these purposes).
< 1254779696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why not write it in bf + PSOX
< 1254779722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while not for any of those system it is still a fairly interesting challenge
< 1254779760 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I could try bf + PSOX, too. Or anyone who wants to, can try it.
< 1254779821 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z-Internet allows any program with file access to use non-interactive internet protocols.
< 1254779859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, even better: implement an emulator of a pre-emptive multitasking OS in bf :D
< 1254779879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge (as if it wasn't enough): make it non-sluggish
< 1254779910 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z-Internet consists of two programs, a Java program and a bash shell-script. The Java program, called FileWatcher, does nothing except for terminate as soon as a file is created in the current directory. The shell-script is z-internet and it checks for file and does send/receive and deleted files.
< 1254780047 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have only ever written two programs in Java: FileWatcher and DocFileExtractor.
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< 1254780070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night
< 1254780484 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection
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< 1254783045 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later"
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< 1254784554 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo
< 1254784577 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baa
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