00:00:08 I usually got three hours of sleep a night during my school days 00:00:14 Something like that... prolly not enough :P 00:00:17 Meh 00:00:48 :O 00:00:55 :| 00:01:09 Writing with a stylus actually works quite well... 00:01:18 But anyway 00:01:24 oh? writing what? these words? 00:01:27 I'm off to sleep 00:01:28 but anyway! 00:01:29 okay 00:01:32 Nighty 00:01:36 see ya..tomorrow? :O 00:01:42 This, yeah 00:01:47 okay! 00:01:53 And probably 00:01:57 -> 00:02:03 -!- FireFly[DS] has quit ("ClIRC - IRC client for Nintendo DS"). 00:02:12 -!- augur has joined. 00:03:12 -!- Sgeo has joined. 00:06:07 AnMaster: The input trains might go over bridges if you let them, but you're not supposed to let them go very deep. And yes, apparently the gate trains do go over those two bridges in the "return" track, so there the bridge type does matter. 00:06:35 AnMaster: The gate trains shouldn't go over any other bridges, though (except maybe in the nor gate); if they do, they're a bit lost. 00:07:04 right 00:07:06 fizzie, it would be better to avoid those being bridges in the ret track. 00:07:08 for speed 00:07:23 does the trains ever go over those things *below* those return bridges? 00:08:28 No, but the branches from the things below return bridges are so closely spaced (well, for the "right-most" track, anyway) that I don't think you can completely trivially swap the ground/bridge state. 00:08:45 Admittedly I wasn't really speed-optimizing when I made the design. 00:11:00 The routing is probably optimizable. Maybe you should get ais523 or someone to apply some circuit layout algorithms hacked to lay down OpenTTD tracks? 00:11:24 fizzie, circuit layout algorithms? 00:11:26 huh 00:11:27 circuit layout's mostly evolution + brute-force 00:11:32 what are those 00:11:36 there don't seem to be any common "clever" algorithms 00:12:23 * AnMaster just made a 4 GB machine swap trash 00:12:29 4 GB RAM that is 00:13:18 -!- Oranjer1 has joined. 00:18:27 -!- Oranjer has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 00:20:54 :O 00:20:58 -!- Oranjer1 has changed nick to Oranjer. 00:22:12 AnMaster: swapping actual data would probably work better 00:22:39 That was pretty groanific. 00:22:55 eh 00:23:32 I don't get it 00:24:20 it was a very bad pun 00:24:28 well, reverse-pun, really 00:24:41 uhh 00:25:07 Just read "trash" as a noun. 00:25:11 because it wasn't a pun in itself, but rather retroactively forced an unintended pun onto someone else's statement 00:25:40 uh okay 00:25:48 Non-consensual punning, how impolite. 00:26:02 that 00:26:03 lol 00:26:13 oh hah 00:26:39 #esoteric: where it can take people over 3 minutes to get a joke 00:26:46 (possibly over 4, I don't have seconds timestamps) 00:26:49 actually I'm still looking for the joke 00:26:54 I just like the concept of it 00:27:02 -!- SimonRC_ has changed nick to SimonRC. 00:27:10 what 00:27:16 anyway I did it by opening fizzie's screenshot twice in gimp by mistake 00:29:26 "just made a 4 GB machine swap trash"?? 00:29:39 swap trash with itself? 00:30:26 fax: swapping trash rather than swapping useful data 00:30:31 if it's trash anyway, no reason to swap 00:30:37 ok 00:30:56 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:30:59 ais523, "swap trash" is however an accepted term 00:33:23 -!- Oranjer has left (?). 01:42:29 -!- cers has joined. 01:43:16 Hello there, I am having some problems with the whitespace programming language that I figured you guys might be able to help me out with 01:44:43 the "Hello World!" example available through wikipedia (and a couple of other places, as far as I can tell) does not seem to work for me 01:44:46 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_%28programming_language%29 01:44:55 does it work for anyone else here? 01:47:32 -!- fax has quit ("Leaving"). 01:47:39 cers: Are you sure it got copypasted properly? Some editors might mangle tabs or so? 01:48:36 Ilari: fairly sure - that was my first thought too, but I've tried in several editors, and as far as I can tell I have them configured properly 01:48:48 Ilari: would you mind terribly giving it a go? :-) 01:58:55 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 02:17:11 -!- Oranjer1 has joined. 02:17:25 -!- Oranjer1 has changed nick to Ot. 02:17:33 -!- Ot has changed nick to Oranjer. 02:23:40 hola everyone! 02:40:32 why hello there :-) 02:40:48 why hello cers :-) 03:05:37 Oranjer: you don't happen to be a whitespace shart, ehh? :-) 03:05:46 uhhh 03:05:57 I...am not a whitespace shart, no 03:05:58 OH 03:06:06 you mean, the esoteric language whitespace? 03:06:40 shark* :-S 03:06:51 and yes - the language :-) 03:07:42 oh, no, not me 03:26:49 wuhu.. I've written my first Hello World! (in whitespace) - couldn't find a working example anywhere - not one with that exact output at least 03:27:25 nice 03:27:31 that is strange 03:28:04 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 03:29:23 indeed - the one listed on their homepage outputs "Hello, world of spaces!" 03:29:52 and the ones I've found elsewhere that claim to output "Hello World!" (like wikipedia), I can't make work 03:30:10 :O 03:32:16 -!- coppro has joined. 03:54:21 -!- coppro has quit (Remote closed the connection). 03:55:50 -!- coppro has joined. 04:08:36 Oranjer: ¡hola! 04:11:04 Warrigal: you should help our plans to tear Agora's ruleset down 04:11:20 -!- coppro has quit (Remote closed the connection). 04:12:52 -!- coppro has joined. 04:15:02 But that would require participating in Agora. :-P 04:15:22 and the problem with that would be? 04:16:03 Good question! What shall I do? 04:16:50 just join and then when the appeal proposals start going through, help us vote them through 04:16:53 *repeal 04:17:02 or wait, you're registered but inactive right now, right? 04:18:30 Something like that. 04:20:21 -!- Oranjer has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 05:23:36 -!- immibis has joined. 05:35:42 heh, I've made a Hello World!\n that runs in whitespace, bf, c++ and python... in 417 chars :-) 05:35:50 good thing my night wasn't wasted :-S 05:37:27 does it use conditional compilation? 05:38:18 polyglots are more awesome when they don't read if(C) DO THIS elif(C++) DO THIS elif(Java) DO THAT 05:39:14 well I wouldn't even know how to do that - but it's more or less based on the correct things being either not used by some languages, or commented out for them 05:39:33 or in case of bf and ws, they just plain ignore most chars 05:39:38 link? 05:40:50 http://users.skumleren.net/cers/helloworld.ws.bf.py.cpp 05:41:46 I didn't even know there was a word for this sort of thing :-S 05:41:51 not terrible 05:42:55 I started out trying to weave in the bf into a giant obfuscated c++ hello world, but figured it would be more fun to do it in as few hars as possible, and more languages 05:43:08 I know I can save some on the whitespace actually 05:47:43 you could put spaces around the x in print(x) 05:48:02 although i suppose that doesn't actually make it smaller 05:48:07 or shoter 05:48:09 shorter 05:48:53 there is a seemingly useless */ 05:50:09 immibis: the print() is a C++ macro, it needs parens 05:50:35 print( x ) 05:50:42 then i realised it's the same filesize either way 05:50:51 maybe bigger 05:51:01 oh, I see 05:51:20 ahh - remnant from older version I think 05:51:55 down to 407 bytes now 05:52:10 did some cleaning up in the ws too 05:52:24 url is updated 05:52:29 also try including stdio.h and calling printf(x); instead of cout< immibis: "." is one of the few letters bf uses, so I try to avoid it 05:53:42 well, cstdio then 05:54:13 hmm - ahh! now I remember my original reason for not using that - but that has gone away since 05:55:37 in C 05:55:39 *C__ 05:55:41 *C++ 05:55:43 * coppro fails 05:56:04 although... there is one drawback.. 05:56:33 I need a linebreak - but python already adds it 05:57:29 a linebreak where? 05:57:43 after "Hello World!" 05:57:49 I need it to print a linebreak 05:58:00 and I cannot use the char "," 05:59:26 aha! 05:59:48 make it "Hello World!\n" and put a ; after the print? 05:59:54 i mean , 06:00:01 no, wait, that's a syntax error in c++ 06:00:11 and I cannot use the char , 06:00:23 but I got it down to 401 06:00:40 url updated again 06:01:00 That's Python 3.x 06:01:05 What about Python 2.x? 06:01:06 >.> 06:01:25 Sgeo: this works fine in Python 2.6.2 06:01:33 that's what I'm using 06:01:35 Oh 06:02:28 Sgeo: but only because I'm not printing several values - otherwise 2.x would think it was a tuple and print it as such 06:02:43 cers, oh, didn't think of that 06:02:46 like if I did print("foo","bar") 06:02:53 (I mean, as the parens not meaning function) 06:03:46 I hadn't exactly thought it that much through to begin with myself :-) 06:05:11 surely #define x (1>1) is redundant, so is //< because it doesn't matter what brainfuck cell you start at? 06:05:15 unless the spaces mean something 06:06:36 immibis: depending on the interpreter, you cannot go back from the first cell, and the include would attempt that with the < 06:07:11 so nothing would happen... 06:07:24 though I could do without the back move I guess 06:07:37 my interpreter throws an error if you try 06:08:25 but good catch on the back move after include - that shaved another 3 bytes off 06:08:51 back move? 06:09:09 Where? 06:09:16 //< 06:09:31 * Sgeo must be looking at an old version 06:10:25 newest version is up now 06:10:28 -!- fizzie has quit (Remote closed the connection). 06:12:34 #include "cstdio" 06:12:43 lets you delete the entire first line 06:13:17 immibis: and then tell the compiler where to find it manually? 06:13:38 otherwise "" would mean cwd 06:13:50 yes, then the directories normally searched by <> 06:13:54 as well 06:14:00 really? 06:14:21 i think so 06:14:47 indeed it would seem so 06:15:31 or try: int printf(...); 06:15:35 but that is not portable 06:17:01 384 bytes now 06:41:55 immibis: Not to mention that that's not the type signature. ;) 06:42:06 int printf(char *,...); 06:44:15 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 06:46:14 C is fun 06:46:33 holy christ google is fast.. I wrote a small blog entry on the tihng, and like 5 mins after I publish I thought I'd see if there were others like it out there - and bam, there's my blog on the first result page 06:47:26 -!- zzo38 has joined. 06:48:18 int printf(...) is shorter, and will work on some platforms, but not all 06:49:02 yeah - I'd rather have the include then 06:49:21 va_start takes the name of the last named argument 06:49:58 if I could only find my own hello world in brainfuck (my 3rd ever attempt came in at only 2 chars less than the guy who invented the language - 3 chars less than the standing record) 06:51:44 err "chars more"* 06:52:47 -!- fizzie has joined. 06:55:33 bsmntbombdood: it's a prototype for printf, not a definition 06:59:18 -!- madbrain has joined. 06:59:21 hey 07:02:09 Yesterday I have a dream 07:02:27 ok 07:02:36 There was various clubs for the different elements types of pokemons: Water Club, Fire Club, Poison Club, etc. 07:02:43 And there was also Miscellaneous Club. 07:03:02 Miscellaneous Club had a rule that it was not allowed to have any members, so it didn't have any members. 07:04:08 Other than Miscellaneous Club, each one had two possible membership requirements, if you met at least one, you were allowed to join. 07:05:09 zzo: want to help me design an esoteric game system 07:05:22 The first was the common one: If you had a pokemon of that element type by just agreement those pokemons decided to go with you anyways, with not the normal way, that was OK. After that you can use a pokeball if you wish to, but it is not required. Masterballs are not allowed. 07:05:47 However, your other pokemons (if any) can be caught the normal way or anything else, even Masterballs are allowed here if you want to. 07:06:34 The other alternate requirement was different for each club and had nothing to do with pokemon at all (so if you have no pokemon, know nothing about it, whatever, that's also OK). The alt. requirement has something to do with that element type however, outside of pokemon. 07:06:42 madbrain: maybe! 07:11:01 madbrain: Do you know MegaZeux? I have built-in Forth interpreter into MegaZeux, so you can possibly use that to implement esoteric programming, too. And possibly even more confusing things, too, if you want to... 07:11:19 yeah i know megazeux 07:11:44 a forth retro system might be an idea 07:12:11 Do you mean Retro Forth, or do you mean something else? 07:12:36 nops 07:18:19 I have written Forth systems, I can probably do it with assembly language or machine-codes, too. Which is, I do plan to do so one day, to build a simple computer with Z80 and Forth, and a OSD chip. 07:18:28 And that's just about all. 07:18:39 (Other than external connectors) 07:18:52 osd chip? 07:21:03 OSD for On-Screen-Display. It can be used to write text to the screen. 07:22:03 Later on, after I build that, I also plan to build a more complex computer with a ARM11 (possibly another processor?), some DSPs, a hard drive, DVD drive, front panel, USB, RAM, ROM, and some other things. 07:22:12 I want to design some hardware that could be realized in a FPGA 07:22:18 ARM11 is just what I decided at first, if there is a better choice I can do that too 07:22:32 you should talk to mukunda perhaps 07:22:54 I have also want to design some hardware in other ways, I have made part of a computer in Circuit Maker (digital simulation mode). 07:23:11 So, I have to put all the components for the CPU by myself, but I have some ideas already and already did some. 07:25:35 what kind of cpu? risc? 07:25:37 stack? 07:26:24 A simple RISC CPU. 07:26:50 yeah 07:26:50 It had a GOTO with each instruction sort of like the computer Mel programmed. 07:27:01 And various other things that are a bit strange. 07:27:12 Because it is very low-level 07:27:56 reminds me of the first esoteric system i came up with 07:28:25 basically an esoteric 16bit VM based on self modifying code 07:28:25 OK. How was it? 07:28:29 O. 07:29:25 each op was, like, [ALU instruction][operand 1 address][operand 2 address][goto address] 07:29:47 I put in some registers that can only be increment or reset and cannot be written to in any other way. Some others are a bit different 07:30:22 The different registers acted differently, so you had to copy values from register into other registers a lot because each register worked in a different way. 07:31:24 Who is mukunda, anyways? 07:33:01 some guy in another channel 07:33:15 on... espernet 07:34:04 I have espernet on another window right now. Which channel? 07:34:22 (I just so happened to already have the espernet open) 07:35:16 well, he's probably sleeping right now, but he's in #mod_shrine 07:35:51 OK 07:36:12 but he was talking about making some arm based system 07:36:18 :mukunda!mukunda@117.201.99.76 NOTICE zzo38 :TIME Fri Oct 23 12:05:59 2009 07:36:57 Does he sleep at that time? Or just not using IRC at that time? Is that the correct time anyways? 07:37:17 he's in india 07:39:25 I'm mostly interested in sound chip and video hardware design :D 07:40:10 And I plan to do so. 07:40:45 Some ideas are, use a DSP for video, another DSP for audio, and for video also use a video encoder chip and a LPGA (I have heard that a LPGA is also required). 07:41:33 lpga? 07:41:36 What would be optimal in my opinion, is to get a DSP that can be clocked up to make it do exactly two instructions per pixel at least. (Possibly more, but still an exact integer number of instructions per pixel would be good) 07:42:01 hmm but what would you do in those two instructions? 07:42:04 They told me that a LPGA is a small FPGA, and it is used to transfer the memory to the video output while the DSP is doing other computations. 07:42:33 Nothing specifically, if the LPGA transfers it, you can do anything you like there, it is used mostly for special effects and stuff like that. 07:42:50 I plan, also to do, the main CPU can send programs to the video and audio DSPs 07:42:51 2 ops per pixel isn't much 07:43:15 What I have been told, is that normally a DSP does less than 1 instruction per pixel, because it isn't fast enough. 07:43:17 ... 07:43:25 that's like, copy pixel, copy pixel... barely enough power for anything else 07:43:47 So it has to be clocked to *at least* 2 per pixel. The same person, what they say, is the LPGA is used to copy the pixels. 07:43:50 zzo: well, what are they, RAM timed? 07:43:59 You can do calculation during HBLANK and VBLANK too, of course. 07:44:05 and specifically DRAM timed? 07:44:17 I don't know if they are RAM timed or anything. I was told this, but I need more information, of course. 07:44:39 it has to do with timing for DRAM 07:44:57 Also it needs double bus RAM, with two address bus and two data bus for the video memory. That way the main CPU and the DSP can both access it simultaneously 07:45:06 if you do one full access each time you read/write something, you can go up to max 6mhz 07:45:51 and a low resolution mode like 320x240 @ 60fps outputs..... 6 million pixels per second 07:46:35 to do 3d rendering (with no z buffering) you need to have like 3 times the screen's area in fillrate 07:46:55 which means that you need cache (that's how the psx does it) 07:47:31 O, so that's why you do slightly less than 1 instruction per pixel. Well, I will figure it out, I guess. 07:47:41 Who is immibis? They just sent me a CTRL+A TIME 07:47:56 -!- Pthing has joined. 07:47:57 O, they are on this channel 07:48:07 But why do such things? 07:48:24 Also the word "time" in lowercase this time (my client still accepts it in lowercase) 07:49:01 some random guy who now knows that you're up at 07:49:02 So, how do I speed up the RAM? I don't know a lot about DSPs. 07:49:08 11:41 pm 07:49:52 like, that's why 286s/386s/68000s can't go faster than a certain speed and aren't pipelined 07:49:53 O, you sent it a second time and this time in uppercase. Why do you do like that? My program accepts VERSION and FINGER and USERINFO too. 07:50:03 ...wtf? 07:50:07 if you don't have cache you litterally can't go faster 07:50:26 Does DSP have cache? 07:50:33 dunno! 07:50:49 but the side effect of cache is that you lose execution time guarantees 07:51:15 Is putting a space before the command work supposed to be work for CTRL+A command? 07:52:08 If the timing is a bit off I guess that's OK if it is fast enough and the LPGA is fast enough and the HBLANK and VBLANK clocks are usable 07:53:06 I'm not sure DSPs are appropriate for video 07:53:13 they do work for sound afaik tho 07:53:16 why ctrl-a? there's /ctcp 07:53:21 at least on this client 07:53:39 Ah. So, mIRC and LimeChat supports spaces between CTRL+A and the command word, I guess. 07:53:58 In this client, /ctcp results in "UNKNOWN SLASH COMMAND" 07:54:09 But this is a different client that I wrote myself. 07:54:14 That's why it is different 07:54:42 * Sgeo wonders if he should try making a browser that supports pages in some sort of database format 07:55:00 If DSP is not appropriate for video, how can I then build my own video devices then, instead? 07:55:04 Which is better? 07:55:06 hmmmmmm 07:55:14 that's a good question 07:55:17 I don't want to use the existing video card, I want to learn how to build my own 07:55:32 1) simple frame buffer based hardware + fast cpu 07:55:39 2) fpga 07:56:05 hmm 07:56:09 what else 07:56:55 "fast cpu" is something pentium-fast 07:57:02 with cache and stuff like that 07:58:59 also depends on what sort of gfx you want 07:59:56 I would still like to have a separate processor for the video, however. The FPGA or LPGA could be used as frame buffer is what I have been told about it. The sort of graphics is, just good 2D graphics on a TV screen is good enough, 3D is not needed. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:01:09 for 2d depends on stuff like what color depth you want, if you want lots of mobile sprites or you're ok with a boring game where nothing moves, how fast your cpu is 08:01:48 I'm pretty sure you could do a SNES style graphics processor in a fpga 08:02:10 If the video has its own processor that can be reprogrammed by the individual programs that you are running, then it can have a lot of effects. But there will be a default video program in there too, probably just to do tile mode and possibly sprites. 08:02:23 hmm 08:02:42 I can try to see how to do a SNES style with FPGA or whatever it is 08:02:50 the problem with something programmable is that you'd need a very very high clock rate 08:03:33 Well, I mean there can be a few extra components for support hardware too, such as a small FPGA to transfer data and possibly a few other functions 08:03:41 because at 320x240 at 60fps with 1 clock per pixel you're at 6mhz already 08:03:58 Sort of like a frame buffer function with a little bit of extra functions 08:04:05 also there are 2 fairly different paradigms for 2d 08:04:11 1 is frame buffer 08:04:19 the other one is no frame buffer 08:04:37 PC games = frame buffer 08:05:24 ie to plot a sprite to the screen you (1) read the pixels (2) write the pixels (3) later on the video card reads the pixels again to show a picture 08:05:50 SNES is typically no frame buffer 08:06:26 basically on SNES you put all the sprites in VRAM on loading 08:06:57 then it renders the screen line while the previous line is being shown on TV 08:07:17 So it has (1) read pixels from vram 08:07:29 IE it uses 3 times less memory bandwidth 08:08:08 And there's not much cost for 60fps so all the games run smooth 08:08:16 but it's not very flexible 08:09:17 OK, yes I do understand this OK 08:09:52 which is why you can do slow 10fps 3d on a 386 but you can't on a SNES :D 08:11:41 Other ideas I have for this computer, is, have NMI that is hooked to the main CPU and all other processors and components, and also to a flip-flop which sets privilege. Writing to a certain memory location will clear the flip-flop. 08:11:48 but a 386 basically can't run a 2d game at 60fps unless it "cheats" 08:12:08 Pushing all four buttons on the front panel at once is one thing that can make a NMI signal, but there will be others too 08:12:27 what are you going to use an NMI for 08:12:40 Because, I would need something to prevent programs from accessing partitions of the hard drive that it doesn't have permission for. 08:12:52 The other things for NMI, is for debug and terminating a program 08:13:03 In case the program won't respond, the NMI will force it to do so. 08:13:09 There can be many other purposes too 08:13:31 an HBLANK interrupt would be cool 08:13:39 For example, there might be some memory location to cause a NMI when written to 08:13:55 like, 99% of the SNES effects are HBLANK modification of video registers 08:14:09 and doing that is pretty much impossible on PC 08:14:34 Yes, for the video processor, if it does, it would have HBLANK and VBLANK interrupt (which aren't NMI). The main CPU might have a VBLANK interrupt if I decide to put one in. 08:15:41 However, HBLANK and VBLANK aren't NMI. (NMI is used for other uses instead) 08:16:04 for the video I think you should skip having a processor and come up with some flexible hardware in the FPGA 08:16:33 but then other stuff can steal your hblank interrupt :O 08:18:09 like, you could unify sound with video into a sort of fancy pants DMA controller 08:18:51 that basically does a data copying loop 08:19:37 you could easily add video modifying steps as stages in the pipeline 08:20:50 and make some DMA accesses able to trigger interrups 08:21:12 that way you can stream sound 08:22:27 These are good ideas which I will consider 08:23:57 AHAHAHAHA 08:24:13 A spammer sent me several lines... all of which contradict eachother 08:25:44 yeah, something like: 08:25:54 -!- zzo38 has quit ("http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_10/o9iatl.jpg"). 08:26:24 Um, I don't know if I want to post it here, since there's nsfw language 08:27:02 I don't think anyone here's going to be under 18 08:27:45 plus other irc channels routinely link to stuff like porn anyways 08:27:54 ehird's under 18 08:28:18 "me and my boyfriend just broke up so now im going to get even with him watch me and his brothr and if you know himn make SURE YOU TELL HIM http://tinyurl.com/------ my boyfriend is such a cheating asshole... Help me get back at him! Watch me fuck his best friend! http://tinyurl.com/------ me and my boyfriend just love getting naughty in front of strangers!!im blonde - 18! watch me get fucked hard http://tinyurl.com/-------" 08:28:23 All in one IM 08:29:06 spambot 08:29:27 I know 08:29:28 Spambot?! 08:29:36 Naaaah 08:29:44 Just a nymphomaniac with mood swings. 08:29:48 It's just amusing that contradicting statements like that were in the same PM 08:30:07 It would make sense with the latter one, then a few minutes later one of the first two 08:30:26 That would seriously amuse me 08:33:12 -!- madbrain has quit ("Radiateur"). 08:33:30 lol Gregor 08:39:45 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 08:52:32 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("Page closed"). 09:00:01 -!- ais523 has joined. 09:14:13 -!- immibis has quit ("Don't push the red button!"). 09:27:26 -!- Sgeo has quit ("Leaving"). 10:26:19 -!- Pthing has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 10:58:45 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 11:17:09 -!- oerjan has joined. 11:22:27 -!- jix has joined. 11:59:12 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 12:20:02 -!- jix has joined. 12:33:39 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 12:47:59 -!- jix has quit ("Lost terminal"). 12:53:54 -!- fax has joined. 12:57:04 -!- FireFly[DS] has joined. 13:03:57 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 13:24:33 -!- FireFly[DS] has quit (Connection reset by peer). 13:24:40 -!- FireFly[DS] has joined. 13:24:41 -!- fax has quit ("Leaving"). 13:33:29 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 14:29:56 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 15:29:44 fizzie, there? I solved the "don't change level" thing. Still have a bridge (seems you can't build signals in tunnels. Very odd 15:30:04 * AnMaster is used to simutrans that allows you to build complex underground networks if you want 15:30:46 -!- FireFly[DS] has quit (Success). 15:44:52 -!- coppro has quit ("I am leaving. You are about to explode."). 15:47:40 fizzie, here is the improved gate: http://omploader.org/vMmxwbA 15:48:01 quite fiddly though 15:53:20 -!- ehird has joined. 16:16:21 -!- jix has joined. 16:18:29 Mhmm, right. 16:18:43 -!- jix_ has joined. 16:18:44 Do you have any numbers, does the maglevity have any sort of measurable effect there? 16:20:04 fizzie, hard to measure since the trains seems to start computing even before all of the input trains moved into place 16:20:17 so no, but it seems less at least. 16:20:22 Sure, it's quite fuzzy. 16:20:41 fizzie, oh and I only converted one of the gates fully (the lower ground bit I mean) 16:20:50 -!- cers has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 16:21:11 the other ones I only converted the bridge closest to the depot for 16:21:28 due to it being so fiddly for the lower ground stuff 16:22:44 fizzie, also it annoys me no end that you can't build proper under ground networks in openttd 16:23:43 huge stations under ground, possibly multilayer. However, there is one much worse issue with all games I have come across in this genre... That is that the scale of stuff is way way off. 16:23:51 Compare the trains to the buildings for example 16:24:11 -!- kar8nga has joined. 16:26:04 Yes, well, realism probably hasn't really been a goal in most of the games. 16:26:27 fizzie, oh and that cargo is happy to go to any destination. At least in simutrans all generated cargo has a destination, and it tries path finding through the different companies networks to find a route there. 16:27:10 fizzie, yeah and you can only make 45 degree turns. Oh and in openttd roads can't go diagonally, only tracks can. Very odd 16:27:28 * AnMaster wants tracks to be vector-something 16:27:32 to add realism 16:28:00 high speed track like for TGV certainly doesn't make sharp 45 degree turns for example :P 16:31:05 -!- fax has joined. 16:35:26 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 16:49:46 Hey, people 16:49:49 PEOPLE 16:49:51 hi 16:50:21 P E O P L E 16:50:22 Hey 16:59:28 -!- Pthing has joined. 17:04:55 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 17:06:48 -!- FireFly[DS] has joined. 17:09:48 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 17:15:32 -!- FireFly has joined. 17:40:58 -!- ais523 has quit ("Dinnertime"). 17:41:17 "The Coming HTML 5 Train Wreck" on xmltoday.org. Brace for stupidity! 17:42:14 "(a good indication of just how mature these deliberations are can be found in these IRC threads from a recent WHATWG meeting)" 17:42:38 Noo, people on IRC being informal! 17:43:57 "Vendors will implement those parts of the HTML 5 spec that happen to best fulfill their own particular objectives, and will be sloppy about implementing anything else - sloppy specs produce sloppy conformance." 17:43:59 he should probably have written this before the majority of HTML5 was implemented by browsers 17:44:57 Ooh, the comments are even worse: 17:44:58 "Ever since I heard about the discontinuation of the xhtml group, I've had the feeling that Google thought they were pulling one over on the web community. They were going to bake some Google specific technology into the spec (which they are already using in Wave). What I don't think they counted on is that if they wind up bringing back the browser wars to try to gain competitive advantage over the other big IT groups, I'll have to take matters into my ow 17:44:58 -- and build ENTIRE SITES IN FLASH." 17:52:09 -!- Asztal has joined. 17:55:34 -!- FireFly[DS] has quit ("ClIRC - IRC client for Nintendo DS"). 18:10:44 "Yes-Stallman-you-also-helped/Linux" 18:12:01 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("Page closed"). 18:12:47 I installed Debian GNU/Hurd on my laptop so people would say "is that Linux?" and I'd say "no, it's GNU." and they get confused. 18:21:44 congratulations, you are worse than richard stallman 18:22:33 Gregor: do... do you actually... use it? 18:22:51 are you... are you even real, man... are you a person 18:26:15 lol Gregor 18:53:04 -!- Gracenotes has quit ("Leaving"). 18:58:33 -!- oerjan has joined. 19:05:08 I suppose I should say I'm using GNU/Windows when I'm using mingw. 19:05:24