< 1256601686 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :win dose? < 1256601695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Windows. < 1256601713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cutesy names for things you dislike is a sure sign of madness, one that I occasionally slip into. < 1256601740 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i don't actively dislike windows < 1256601744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL HIS NAME IS MADBRAIN ISN'T THAT SORT OF A HINT HUH < 1256601747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why call it Windose :P < 1256601753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: GOOD POINT SIR < 1256601765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha my capslock key is mangled so i have to hit it really hard to get it to register < 1256601767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1256601768 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? :D < 1256601773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANKS I CIULD HELP :)) < 1256601789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ciuld? Interesting word. < 1256601802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: have you found a nonbroken keyboard yet? < 1256601811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's like a dose of win, how's that insulting < 1256601824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this keyboard isn't broken, I just keep fiddling with it, annoying that the keycaps are hard to replace < 1256601825 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see what's so bad about windows anyways < 1256601841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm going to buy a really-good-quality keyboard sometime, and those have easy-to-replace keycaps < 1256601843 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't read my thoughts < 1256601843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, harder to take off < 1256601853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that'll solve two things in one go < 1256601857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what the fuck is that about this is the 21st century < 1256601870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: UI-wise, Windows 7 is pretty great. but programming, and internally? < 1256601871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow < 1256601880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, cleartype really needs a redesign. < 1256601930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, whitehouse.gov now runs on Drupal < 1256601942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is... uhh < 1256601946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a step down from whatever they were usinng < 1256601948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*using < 1256601951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ASP.NET, I think) < 1256601957 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, i don't know much about win api but from what I gather it's probably a mess and the pumping out of new versions doesn't help either < 1256601966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, probably < 1256601974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows is pretty much hell for the programmer < 1256601979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its internals are scary. very scary < 1256602014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I type very well on a scissor-switch board, although with lots and lots of errors. < 1256602019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I made no errors in that line.) < 1256602025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very well = fast < 1256602034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess because of the low key travel and high activation force. < 1256602044 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1256602077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I basically slam each key and it hits rock bottom almost immediately. < 1256602566 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does: < 1256602567 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (eval exp env) (cond ((self-evaluating? exp) exp) ((variable? exp) (lookup-variable-value exp env)) ((quoted? exp) (text-of-quotation exp)) ((assignment? exp) (eval-assignment exp env)) ((definition? exp) (eval-definition exp env)) ((if? exp) (eval-if exp env)) ((lambda? exp) (make-procedure (lambda-parameters exp) (lambda-body exp) env)) ((begin? exp) (eval-sequence (begin-actions exp) env)) ((cond? exp) (eval (cond->i < 1256602567 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f exp) env)) ((application? exp) (apply (eval (operator exp) env) (list-of-values (operands exp) env))) (else (error "Common Lisp or Netscape Navigator 4.0+ Required" exp)))) < 1256602568 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do? < 1256602575 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anything < 1256602583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1256602588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like copy paste from sicp < 1256602594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It requires netscape navigator 4, Sgeo. < 1256602594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's not < 1256602597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's totally different < 1256602602 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's copy-paste from xkcd < 1256602610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Netscape Navigator 4 used to let you code in a subset of scheme < 1256602617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a scripting language for pages < 1256602629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't widely used, though. < 1256602630 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1256602635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly < 1256602687 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't surprise me, Brendan Eich said that was what he wanted < 1256602693 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal < 1256602736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256602738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, geocities is in the process of shutting down. < 1256602741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sites are disappearing, so... < 1256602745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they really are erasing it. < 1256602824 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's too late to go into Active Worlds and download the content that some ancient builds relied on < 1256602963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gee, Sgeo, what do you want to do tonight? < 1256602964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The same thing we do every night, ehird — get nostalgic over old internet-based 3D virtual reality games! < 1256602977 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1256603007 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey that doesn't look like an authentic conversation < 1256603016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you forge it? 8| < 1256603024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M A DIRTY LIAR also a dirty referencer < 1256603026 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: impossible! < 1256603031 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it does accurately represent how I feel about old internet-based 3D virtual reality games < 1256603051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo feels like a genetically-engineered mouse with an unusually large head. < 1256603054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How peculiar. < 1256603055 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so plausible lies are okay lies? < 1256603064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: moral crusader < 1256603084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL EXCUSE ME FOR NOT ENJOYING YOUR SICK GAMES OF DISVIRTUE < 1256603102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disvirtue should so be a word < 1256603112 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Ancient Greeks like Socrates certainly thought so. < 1256603144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1256603149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. < 1256603155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREEKS: DISHONEST CROOKS < 1256603176 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said (and sorry for not participating the whole Navigator 4 Scheme dialect fiction), it's the eval function of the SICP metacircular evaluator; as itself, without all the other functions it refers to -- particularly apply -- it doesn't really do much. < 1256603205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liar. < 1256603207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is modified. < 1256603210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN YOU SPOT HOW IT WAS MODIFIED? < 1256603213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hint: At the end.) < 1256603224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : What's metacircular? < 1256603231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i never met a circular i didn't like < 1256603236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*meta < 1256603238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION broke the joke < 1256603267 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ular.*/ *hit by falling anvil*/ < 1256603286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never meta circ hit by a falling anvil that I didn't like? < 1256603295 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing a string literal is not much of a modification. < 1256603295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're so compassionate to circs that are the victim of anvil-related attacks. < 1256603306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: regexp FAIL < 1256603320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never metacirc *hit by falling anvil* < 1256603320 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.* is greedy, see? < 1256603328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm joking, see? < 1256603337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, I say, that's a joke, son. < 1256603337 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are joking inaccurately < 1256603342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1256603366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an inaccurate joke is worse than none at all! Or was that a diagnosis? < 1256603383 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an inaccurate lupus < 1256603386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix. < 1256603397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inaccurate diabeetus. < 1256603409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a curate speeling < 1256603436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know someone who tends to ruin his jokes by saying how they were inaccurate :/ < 1256603482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gander, gander, gander, gander, gander, gander, gander, gander, gander, gander, gander < 1256603494 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wither do you wander < 1256603509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wither do you GANDER INCORPORATED < 1256603531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my light's flickering < 1256603533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang in there light < 1256603543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVE YOU LIGHT < 1256603595 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to discuss an ad for class < 1256603647 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was thinking perhaps an ad in a VR game < 1256603648 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like AW < 1256603723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{garlic} ∪ {bacon} < 1256603726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1256603787 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets angry at AWLD or whoever owns AW < 1256603798 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a site that used to be the center of the largest world in AW < 1256603813 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entry place to this world has been relocated, and the old site deemed historic < 1256603843 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what I see? NEW STUFF, FROM AFTER THE RELOCATION! < 1256603855 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, I think it's from after0 < 1256603855 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1256603909 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION walks on a road from 1995 < 1256604088 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1256604333 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This map will no longer work, in this build that is important to me < 1256604342 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I saved the map to disk, it's not gone forever < 1256604517 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When Geocities dies, the map in http://imgur.com/Bbh1Q.png will turn to static < 1256604652 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of other stuff will turn to static < 1256604661 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not much that I've personally been involved with, so < 1256604764 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may have been the only one in RSTV (which no one but myself cares about) to use Geocities < 1256604906 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that 2nd life < 1256604944 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain, no < 1256604947 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Active Worlds < 1256604958 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much older than Second Life, and different in a lot of ways < 1256605008 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that a map of? < 1256605038 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, RSTV < 1256605051 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old AW TV station < 1256605054 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I was part of < 1256605057 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never really took off < 1256605069 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least, we did have a functioning station, but no one watched it) < 1256605071 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1256605174 0 :Oranjer!n=Owner@adsl-243-209-62.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256605187 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AW TV consisted of a script that would, every 10 seconds, show a different image < 1256605188 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1256605188 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp* youtube < 1256605197 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whao what Sgeo? < 1256605201 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was possible to make an object that would refresh a page every 10 seconds < 1256605206 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/page/image/ < 1256605212 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1256605212 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1256605217 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a firefox plugin that does that < 1256605221 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, add-on < 1256605240 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there are any still existant AW TV stations out there < 1256605253 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AW"? < 1256605254 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VWTV, which was fairly big, and provided RSTV's hosting, died < 1256605262 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Active Worlds: http://activeworlds.com < 1256605293 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah indeed < 1256605349 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What AW did for pictures, instead of having them uploaded to AW's servers, people would just make an object that pointed to a URL < 1256605359 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of stuff was stored on Geocities... < 1256605361 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-huh < 1256605362 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256605364 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh < 1256605372 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, now there are alternatives < 1256605373 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1256605386 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, but some of these builds are old < 1256605393 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye, aye < 1256605398 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original makers are no longer active in AW, and no one else can change them < 1256605402 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/Bbh1Q.png < 1256605423 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That map is stored on Geocities, but I'm no longer an AW citizen, and can't change it to point to a new URL (not that anyone besides me would ever visit( < 1256605424 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1256605437 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256605453 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to visit? < 1256605454 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1256605466 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :active worlds? < 1256605469 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, I guess < 1256605470 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256605478 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And RSTV in particular, perhaps < 1256605746 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, ok < 1256605753 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meet me in AWGate < 1256605770 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um okay < 1256605779 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's the place you go when you log in) < 1256605784 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256605855 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say somnething when you're there. If you stay silent, no one will know who you are < 1256605860 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No name appears above your head < 1256605987 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1256606006 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh I downloaded and installed it < 1256606021 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Log in as a tourist < 1256606028 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make up an email, they don't check < 1256606040 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I am automatically upgrading my version < 1256606050 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not at the logging in yet < 1256606052 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1256606064 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me when you're in, I'm going to play a bit of Paintball < 1256606073 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in AW < 1256606235 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am here < 1256606239 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know what to do < 1256606245 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I move??? < 1256606252 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, arrow keys < 1256606256 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click the 3d screen first < 1256606259 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying < 1256606316 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GODDAMMIT < 1256606319 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it broke < 1256606320 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1256606360 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1256606369 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::((((( why me? ))))))) < 1256606371 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256606516 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB < 1256606523 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh okay < 1256606815 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1256606820 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, you still on? < 1256606821 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256606824 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1256606828 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl makes ya run < 1256606943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION found a vaguely make-esque program that was at least patched to not suck with string handling < 1256606969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pity it doesn't support parallelism or anything, but it doesn't act dumb. Hooray! < 1256606976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it? < 1256606986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know that your conversion task could be handled by about 10 lines of Python. < 1256606997 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"svmk.tcl", a simple Tcl script. < 1256607086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1644512 < 1256607099 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhhhhhhh < 1256607312 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, out as in left AW, or out as in out of the water, Oranjer? < 1256607332 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256608022 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oranjer": Eric, what year do you think it is? < 1256608022 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eric John: 2004 < 1256608046 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256608057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did Eric say to prompt thatt? < 1256608058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1256608087 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was remarking on the year of the building we are in, I think < 1256608096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256608104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you crazy windows users, you < 1256608106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having all the fun < 1256608123 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256608142 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo showed me this virtual thing, but I must say, the controls are fairly counterintuitive < 1256608164 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, AW dates from 1995, I think < 1256608170 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256608202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's as old as me :( < 1256608235 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! < 1256609784 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, where are you? < 1256609869 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know! < 1256609876 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went through a door and BAM < 1256609881 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at a waterpark < 1256609902 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, click the back button < 1256609906 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1256609926 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was supposed to be a thingy that let you go to different parts of the "hotel" that the whole thing was a part of < 1256609930 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256609940 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1256609942 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used absolute coords, so when it was relocated to a safe place, it broke < 1256609955 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1256609956 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256609960 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You went back in? < 1256609972 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1256609976 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am at your pool < 1256610390 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, were you teleported again? < 1256610394 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep! < 1256610396 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256610397 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to 3410S 24205E < 1256610402 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256610501 0 :augur_!n=augur@216.164.33.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256610551 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no augur < 1256610700 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1256610725 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey augur < 1256610744 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows it going my oft wrong friend? < 1256610839 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1256610858 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dragged Oranjer into his nostalgia < 1256610866 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256610882 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo did < 1256610907 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember playing The Universal < 1256610919 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, I tried that once < 1256610934 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256610935 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just one planet of it, though < 1256610939 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256610940 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it still alive? < 1256610945 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't know < 1256610956 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was only on for about a year, three years ago < 1256610962 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you < 1256610967 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't the game's fault < 1256610974 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had been trying to make my own planet < 1256610975 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember almost everything I've been on since 2001 < 1256610980 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my computer crashed < 1256610996 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost practically all of my stuff I had ever worked on ever :( < 1256611003 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, wow < 1256611009 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1256611020 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has had 3 Crashes of that sort < 1256611025 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, me too! < 1256611030 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One, in and before the summer of 2001 < 1256611030 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 crashes, two computers < 1256611038 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One, at an unknown time < 1256611046 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And one, no later than August 2003 < 1256611065 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember almost NOTHING of my online travels before Crash < 1256611066 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crash 1 < 1256611070 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256611080 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do! < 1256611083 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may actually have data from before Crash 2 or Crash 3 on some HD somewhere < 1256611095 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to investigate < 1256611099 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember I was into Game Maker < 1256611110 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked User Friendly and Cybertown < 1256611115 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1256611125 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know what that means < 1256611132 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UserFriendly == webcomic < 1256611137 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256611137 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cybertown == 3d city thing < 1256611140 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256611154 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stayed in Cybertown until, 2004 I think. One year after it went subscription < 1256611158 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Sgeo, do you remember what planet you were on in The Universal? < 1256611164 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, one that involved flying < 1256611169 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256611172 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all did < 1256611176 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :space Crows! < 1256611179 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about all I remember < 1256611184 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my god I cannot believe I remember that < 1256611203 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, I always did love the planet "The Republic" < 1256611209 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you started out as a caveman < 1256611223 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you had to basically recreate civilization < 1256611224 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one 3d place that I can't even remember a name to < 1256611235 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I saw maybe 0 other people there when I was on < 1256611239 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still want to find it again < 1256611241 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you went from a caveman, knight, robber baron, guy on hoverboard < 1256611248 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it started over again < 1256611255 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Sgeo? can you describe it? < 1256611266 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, it had a program to easily create your own nightclub < 1256611274 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in the main area, there was a grafitti wall < 1256611282 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you, the important part of The Republic was that you could not do it alone < 1256611285 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256611468 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another place that I remember the name to, but haven't revisited in ever. I really should, it's the reason I went to AW < 1256611484 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking for information on the book Flatland, and it just so happens there's a 3d thingy by that name < 1256611491 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLATLAND < 1256611493 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great book < 1256611494 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow, don't remember how, I get from there to Active Worlds < 1256611497 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, agreed < 1256611558 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And so begins the Flatland Blog, albeit a little late as this saga began in 1996, the first year I could have gone to Burning Man and didnt. Instead I had just left a video game company and was struggling with VRML. If I, a veteran programmer of 10 years, couldnt make heads or tails of this format, how would creators in general deal with 3D on the Web?" < 1256611572 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256611586 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also confuddled by the inefficient nature of VRML < 1256611600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 3d thingy by the name Flatland, how logical < 1256611636 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.. might not have actually touched Flatland myself < 1256611662 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of these screenshots are triggering recognition < 1256611667 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did I see that puzzle? < 1256611679 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some egyptian puzzle like thingy < 1256611692 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*atchoo* < 1256611693 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256611698 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the platform. Adobe Atmosphere? That unknown nightclub thingy? Flatland? < 1256611702 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :custom conditionals? < 1256611707 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flatland is an awesome book < 1256611713 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256611717 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we agreed on that already < 1256611734 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it deserves repetition < 1256611735 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh, I remember Flatterland a bit better < 1256611744 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256611748 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never read it < 1256611751 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, i think it's lacking in depth < 1256611759 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>......< < 1256611764 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit oerjan < 1256611769 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just not nice < 1256611806 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1256611814 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually just use Flatland as a warning < 1256611824 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, against closed-mindedness < 1256611849 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, if someone comes up to me, and says they've found a Nazi mummy that's come alive < 1256611854 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll sure as hell investigate < 1256611872 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may not believe them, but I'll at least see it with my own eyes < 1256611873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not run away like hell? < 1256611902 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I will bring along some sorta weapon, of course < 1256611905 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a crowbar < 1256611909 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, whenever I hear something I don't believe, I always qualify my objections. Flatland helped me with that < 1256611934 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1256611942 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just try to avoid assuming < 1256611958 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, Flatland helped me become a true fallibilist < 1256611966 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, that waterpark thing that Oranjer fell into was from 1995 < 1256611973 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1256611995 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION foresees many interesting discussions between Oranjer and ehird  < 1256612012 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256612017 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1256612026 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's rather the skeptic :D < 1256612048 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what do you think I am? < 1256612053 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I merely take it farther < 1256612064 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am even skeptical of my own methods of reasoning < 1256612071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i suppose < 1256612110 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256612138 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, someone on here, I forgot who, disagrees with me on epistemological anarchism < 1256612145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me. < 1256612150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's bullshit. < 1256612158 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, ehird! < 1256612178 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, E-prime! remember, "It's bullshit"? or "I think it's bullshit"? < 1256612191 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god epistemological anarchism < 1256612196 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that even mean < 1256612197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, E-prime is ALSO bullshit < 1256612206 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1256612208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: "SCIENCE HAS A MONOPOLY ON REASON AND THIS IS WRONG" < 1256612223 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, ehird, but I believe you misunderstand < 1256612226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically "Science is just as right or wrong as any other method of coming to conclusions, hurf durf, science-only people are dumb" < 1256612235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Wikipedia does too. < 1256612244 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, science worked hard to get where it is now < 1256612245 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1256612253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Epistemological anarchism is an epistemological theory advanced by Austrian philosopher of science Paul Feyerabend which holds that there are no useful and exception-free methodological rules governing the progress of science or the growth of knowledge. It holds that the idea that science can or should operate according to universal and fixed rules is unrealistic, pernicious and detrimental to science itself." < 1256612268 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the first part is true, but the "science0only people are dumb"? poppycock < 1256612271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The use of the term anarchism in the name reflected the methodological pluralism prescription of the theory; as the purported scientific method does not have a monopoly on truth or useful results, the pragmatic approach is a Dadaistic "anything goes" attitude toward methodologies.[1] The theory advocates treating science as an ideology alongside others such as religion, magic and mythology, and considers the dominance of science in society authoritarian a < 1256612272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unjustified.[1] Promulgation of the theory earned Feyerabend the title of “the worst enemy of science” from his detractors.[2]" < 1256612276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The theory advocates treating science as an ideology alongside others such as religion, magic and mythology, and considers the dominance of science in society authoritarian and unjustified." < 1256612285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := B U L L < 1256612286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking < 1256612287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S H I T < 1256612307 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what exactly does saying something equals bullshit...do? < 1256612316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means it's bullshit < 1256612317 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's like, either postmodernism of fundies... probably postmodernism < 1256612324 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oy vey < 1256612361 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well, from an epistemological point of view, ideas that stem from, well, the actual state of the world should be promoted < 1256612379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH BUT < 1256612380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain < 1256612382 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, which viewpoint has given us the longest lifespans? < 1256612384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer also believes in some other theory < 1256612386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that states < 1256612392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"every imaginable reality is just as real as ours" < 1256612396 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modal realism! < 1256612398 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOO HOO < 1256612402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO ACTUALLY EVERY PHILOSOPHY IS EQUALLY AS RIGHT AS EVERYTHING < 1256612404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU'RE A RETARD < 1256612408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO WILL BELIEVE ANY OLD SHIT < 1256612408 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1256612410 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's bunk < 1256612412 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes he lived near Austria... murder is so much easier to commit in person < 1256612412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so deep, so deep < 1256612416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO DEEP < 1256612419 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically denying the phisical world < 1256612424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: who, exactly, do you want to kill? < 1256612425 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether it's "real" or not is irrelevant to whether we really care < 1256612433 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that Paul Feyeradsajfl guy < 1256612436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what if some parallel universe has different laws from us? < 1256612437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's dead, coppro. < 1256612438 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256612440 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's dead < 1256612441 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256612441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1256612444 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1256612448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT IN A SENSE < 1256612451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CAN IMAGINE A WORLD WHERE HE IS ALIVE < 1256612452 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here teach necromancy? < 1256612457 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to his theory it's as valid as science < 1256612457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND BEING KILLED BY COPPRO RIGHT NOW < 1256612461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so by MODAL < 1256612461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REALISM < 1256612464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are in fact doing it < 1256612476 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll just bring him back to life and kill him < 1256612484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1256612488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are already doing it! < 1256612488 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between that any the many-worlds interpretation of quantum physics? < 1256612494 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and < 1256612496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: everything < 1256612498 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about the other world < 1256612499 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1256612503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that the many worlds doesn't literally refer to "many worlds" < 1256612504 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't reach them < 1256612507 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the many-worlds interpretation of quantum physics is a) dumb b) misinterpreted < 1256612509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is actually a scientific theory < 1256612513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: (a) no, it's not (b) agreed < 1256612518 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1256612532 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :epistemological defeat < 1256612533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's far simpler than the copenhagen interpretation, which is hand-waving to boot < 1256612555 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how it can be a theory if it's untestable < 1256612575 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oranjer is gone < 1256612578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is the Copenhagen interpretation. < 1256612585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But theoretically, you could communicate across Everett branches. Maybe. < 1256612594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point is, we need a model and MWI is the simplest. < 1256612595 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I forget the interpretation I prefer < 1256612599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And doesn't hand-wave, which Copenhagen does. < 1256612609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I have only seen MWI and Copenhagen being touted. < 1256612616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and that crazy quantum darwinism thing that only nescience believes. < 1256612619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's basically adjusted MWI. < 1256612620 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia lists like 20 < 1256612628 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike MWI, but only because of the implications I can imagine when I fantasize about time travel < 1256612644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWI is what you need for non-paradoxical time-travel. < 1256612657 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really < 1256612660 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with the idea that the Copenhagen Interpretation is ridiculous and stupid (see Schrodinger) < 1256612661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is. < 1256612677 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wikis < 1256612678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: anyway, Hugh Everett was kooky, but it was fleshed out intoo something with real value < 1256612684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as unbelievable as that sounds < 1256612691 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not something like the Novikov self-consistency principle? < 1256612694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, MWI != quantum immortality, which is bullshit) < 1256612721 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if quantum immortality then MWI, but not (if MWI, then quantum immortality) < 1256612723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: because the implications are ridiculous and would make time travel impossible < 1256612736 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpretation I favor is whichever one says that it's a sort of past-of-least-resistance thing. It's a variant of MWI. < 1256612739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to chaos theory, you can't do ANYTHING without creating a time paradox < 1256612744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, most anything < 1256612748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: heh, that's quantum darwinism, I believe. < 1256612768 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but whatever effect you have is what had already happened, because of you < 1256612779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo, you're boring and time travel isn't possible. < 1256612780 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but that's not listed on Wikipedia! < 1256612784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes it is < 1256612793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_Darwinism < 1256612797 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretations_of_quantum_mechanics < 1256612804 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore it doesn't exist, etc. < 1256612815 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :build a quantum bomb, that destroys the removes the current branch of possibilities... the button will never get pressed < 1256612826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: sitcom opportunity! < 1256612831 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256612834 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the one I like isn't quantum darwinism < 1256612840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Activate The Bo— Ow! You hit me!" < 1256612849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous < 1256612854 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain, or the bomb malfunctions, or the presser's finger vaporizes < 1256612871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I dismiss that theory easily: its complexity is unbelievably high < 1256612885 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think that bomb malfunction isn't that complex < 1256612888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sheer "infrastructure" that would be needed in physics to prevent the events is ridiculous. < 1256612891 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finger vaporization, yes < 1256612922 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a tv show it's a button that displays a naked woman. since the show is rated "ok for everybody", the button cannot get pressed, since if it did they'd have to rewrite the scenario < 1256612940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :displays a naked woman then causes a time paradox < 1256612942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :priorities, you know < 1256612946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta go out with a bang < 1256612949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMAGINED OR NOT < 1256612951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i crack me up < 1256612993 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain, isn't that like discovering a technology that gets the USS Voyager home instantly? < 1256613005 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's discovered, the show's over < 1256613019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT CAN'T HAPPEN SGEO < 1256613027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your pet time travel enabler states so < 1256613041 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can't switch into a discussion of TV shows? < 1256613046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1256613323 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1256613345 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the universe conspires against you doing so < 1256613354 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256613381 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: incidentally, it did happen, and the show ended < 1256613405 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except for the finale < 1256613407 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1256613423 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't actually watch that, but read about it :/ < 1256613700 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256613902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens < 1256613975 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Voyager gets home. duh < 1256613986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[02:16] coppro: Sgeo: incidentally, it did happen, and the show ended < 1256613987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[02:16] Sgeo: Well, except for the finale < 1256613990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did those messages clash < 1256613993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., not chronologically < 1256614000 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, think so < 1256614037 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, that was chronological. By "except", I was referring to my earlier statement < 1256614040 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, to provide contrast, I predict that a way will be found to provide regular two-way travel between Destiny and Earth by... mid-fourth season < 1256614044 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it gets that far, of course) < 1256614045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1256614056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Destiny? < 1256614062 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGU < 1256614062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DO NOT WATCH THESE SCI-FI SHOES PEOPLE < 1256614063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1256614064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shows < 1256614070 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stargate: Univers < 1256614072 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+e < 1256614082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stargate has a whole series devoted to a typeface? < 1256614082 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION barely watched any SG-1 or Stargate Atlantis < 1256614085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, some tenuous plot < 1256614106 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be bad for me to start on a new one, I barely know stuff from the old ones < 1256614142 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGU's pretty free-floating < 1256614154 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you'll want to catch up from the start rather than jump in < 1256614194 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to look into it < 1256615556 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like there's nothing left interesting on the internet < 1256616349 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh... I hate giving times with international signaficance as just "EDT"... < 1256616368 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least also give UTC times... < 1256616404 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: what makes it doubly bad is that 4/5ths of the world use "EST" when they mean "EDT" < 1256616411 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been burned by this before < 1256616953 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256616957 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256616957 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256616958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256616971 0 :Cerise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256616971 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256616971 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256616974 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256616974 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256617158 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r02jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1256617158 0 :Cerise!i=jerry@unaffiliated/cerise JOIN :#esoteric < 1256617158 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-142-65.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1256617158 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1256617158 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1256617158 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-117-216.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256617158 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256617866 0 :HackEgo!n=HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256617866 0 :mtve!n=nnmtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256618428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1256619694 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1256619776 0 :Gregor!n=gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256620093 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Radiateur" < 1256622111 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I am leaving. You are about to explode." < 1256622623 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: They've gotten tech to get the Voyager home several times. < 1256622637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And didn't use it for no good reason. Several times. < 1256623329 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256623329 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256623329 0 :Guest76637!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256623350 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256623350 0 :Warrigal!n=warrie@lunch.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1256623350 0 :Guest76637!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256623380 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256626492 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256627149 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256627181 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-117-216.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256629065 0 :iamcal!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256629730 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1256630025 0 :Guest76637!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256630399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1256630400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1256632019 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1256632029 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256632352 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256633142 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256638225 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256638976 0 :MizardX-!i=MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256639111 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1256639124 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1256639317 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@p5B136D1A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256642233 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256645768 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256645793 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256645878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh the puns in iwc today :( < 1256646285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The "for" keyword is used for looping. Most of the time. Sometimes it prints a random string to the screen. < 1256646296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what language is that? < 1256646313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't, it was a hypothetical one < 1256646315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we should make it < 1256646443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256647564 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256650932 0 :jix!n=jix@f054012013.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1256651442 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256651901 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@82.66.176.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256652034 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@host86-164-33-17.range86-164.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256652223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256652846 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256653480 0 :jix!n=jix@188.40.47.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256654690 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1256654797 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256655405 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1256655503 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256655627 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1256655629 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1256655758 0 :jix!n=jix@cyb0rg.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1256656390 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the question is, is Adam really sure they didn't find anything. it's mind control after all. < 1256656429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, see clog for my comments on the comic some hours ago < 1256656449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did, otherwise i wouldn't have spoiled so blatantly < 1256656477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? You? Being nice? < 1256656489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suspicious ;P < 1256656491 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incredible, i know < 1256658346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1256658684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256658720 0 :Gregor!n=gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256663275 0 :fax!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1256665263 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1256665942 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@82.182.180.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256668297 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1256668326 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256669058 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256669876 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1256670351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256671551 0 :MizardX-!i=MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256671737 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1256671760 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1256672190 0 :MigoMipo!i=c1b7fd21@gateway/web/freenode/x-bulvmredifftrysc JOIN :#esoteric < 1256672776 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1256673243 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1256673260 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256674010 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256674066 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-117-216.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256675574 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1256675773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how sane it is to burn an iso file when the iso file is on an nfs mount < 1256675780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over 100 mbit ethernet lan, but still < 1256675791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 btw < 1256675807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1256675858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, very strange that only one of two computers, both having dvd burners claiming to support DVD+R DL, can actually see the disc < 1256675859 0 :FireFly[DS]!n=nds@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256675876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I'm considering iso mounted over nfs < 1256675882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since other computer lacks disk space for it < 1256676257 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's ehird < 1256676316 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.utu.fi/yurnik/RO.pub.htm <<< that belarusian lecturer i once told about's course website < 1256676346 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure it's as horrible with normal colors as it is with my ehird theme, but anyway < 1256676358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the dancing rainbow anyway. < 1256676461 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smart people are stupid < 1256676592 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1256676625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats being stupid though, stupid people aren't smart < 1256676631 0 :Gregor!n=gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256678372 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256678950 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-117-216.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256679009 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1256679011 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my monitor is here < 1256679117 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good, then you can see us < 1256679136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves < 1256679180 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /join #ion < 1256679182 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1256679214 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i just have to figure out how to dual head < 1256679350 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256679536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow he uses ion? XD < 1256679595 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion can be both a positive and a negative thing < 1256679599 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he just likes to hang around ion users. < 1256679622 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think they call themselves "ionizers".) < 1256679687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1256680999 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-117-216.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256681013 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i got twinview working < 1256681024 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which turns both monitors into one display < 1256681030 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly what i don't want < 1256681213 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're doing manual xorg.confery, you can do the "old-style" multihead simply by duplicating the "Device" section, putting Screen 0 in one and Screen 1 in the other, then two "Screen" sections, and both screens in the "ServerLayout" section the way you want them. (But I'm sure modern systems have more user-friendly ways of doing it.) < 1256681338 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am < 1256681370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood, why are you using ION? < 1256681381 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh, because it rocks < 1256681406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for me it works by just doing /usr/bin/nvidia-settings and enabling twin-view < 1256681415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not often I have two screens around though < 1256681419 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: He just said he doesn't want twinview. < 1256681426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah hm < 1256681445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? I restarted client and reconnected to bouncer just before he joined last time < 1256681455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no scrollback since I was connected before that < 1256681484 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Immediately after joining; just look at the dozen last lines of today's log. < 1256681509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there indeed < 1256681520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is too tried < 1256681525 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My nvidia dualhead setup looks like http://zem.fi/~fis/x.txt -- though with Ion, I guess you don't want Xinerama on. And those are numbered "0" and "2" because there's the third monitor too. < 1256681528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tired? tried? < 1256681528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1256681531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail XD < 1256681537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tired yeah < 1256681540 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-117-216.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256681544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it isn't tyred < 1256681551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or tyerd?) < 1256681568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm not going to open firefox atm, due to burning a dvd. < 1256681572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dual-layer one < 1256681576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so well, yeah I'll wait < 1256681611 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256681631 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit < 1256681632 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't work < 1256681633 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it against Ion's philosophy to do multihead, though? I mean, the reason given for not supporting Xinerama is "I'm not going to waste my time rubbing your unecological penis enlargement"; admittedly it supports plain X multihead, but I don't see how that would make it any more ecological. < 1256681652 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck toumov < 1256681789 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i really suck at x < 1256681848 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm not sure whether you saw it or not; here's one nvidia-card dualhead-without-twinview xorg.conf: http://zem.fi/~fis/x.txt < 1256681883 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might not be helpful at all. < 1256682022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what does xinerama do btw? < 1256682052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the thing that prevents menus from opening split across the edge of two screens? < 1256682152 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No; well, yes, in the sense that it provides the screen layout information. But without Xinerama (or twinview or such) the two screens are completely separate, meaning you need different DISPLAY strings to access them and all. Xinerama sort-of merges them to one logical screen, so that you can have screen-spanning windows, or move windows between screens. < 1256682187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err, but where does twinview fit into it < 1256682235 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256682239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I know my system was compiled without xinerama support, could move stuff between the screens. But with xinerama on firefox suddenly didn't open the menu in strange places and such < 1256682248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was using twinview yeah < 1256682265 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twinview's just a nvidia-specific hack to make two physical monitors appear as a single "physical" X screen; that's what gives you the split menus and other ugly things like that. It has a "fake-Xinerama" thing which makes it provide the Xinerama information so that window managers know the physical screen boundaries. < 1256682299 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1645677 < 1256682302 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't this working < 1256682316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1256682337 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what does your /var/log/Xorg.log say? < 1256682341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sometimes it is useful to have a single window split across the monitors though < 1256682365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1256682367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not menus < 1256682368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1256682392 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Xorg.0.log more likely.) < 1256682421 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see anything interesting < 1256682447 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: You probably need to add "Screen 0" to one of the devices, and "Screen 1" to the other. (Well, that's my guess.) < 1256682467 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I guess, though I don't really remember ever wanting that. < 1256682510 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, splitting windows seems pretty useless to me < 1256682524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, kicker or similar? < 1256682530 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What I do use is separate browser windows on both screens, which is not possible with X multihead without using two browser instances.) < 1256682548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[growisofs] :-[ CLOSE DISC failed with SK=5h/SESSION FIXATION ERROR - INCOMPLETE TRACK IN SESSION]: Input/output error < 1256682553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stares in horror < 1256682570 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohsi it worked < 1256682603 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kicker's the KDE panel thing? I prefer separate panels on each screen, not some strange on-two-screens thing. < 1256682622 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, something worked < 1256682697 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have two screens at least.... < 1256682712 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^styple < 1256682722 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, ^style alice < 1256682724 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: added a notation on the fuel tank issue the panther vehicles had. i apologize in advance if it seems important then, someone could add it to the page :) < 1256682781 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1256682865 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm confused < 1256683191 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't move focus from screen to screen with the keyboard < 1256683537 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: exactly what do you think "fungot, ^style alice" is supposed to do? < 1256683538 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.gamefaqs.com/ console/ xbox360/ image/ large/ fnord hammer < 1256683555 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Beware, the fnord hammer. < 1256683563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek! < 1256683583 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hammer _and_ anvil. i'm doomed! < 1256683618 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1256683620 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1256684067 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256684072 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256684290 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be more annoying than helpful < 1256684325 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :locking one screen doesn't lock the other... < 1256684417 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit strange; at least xlock should lock all screens of a server, even without any extra looks-like-one-logical-screen trickery. (Some other methods of locking might not.) < 1256684418 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xscreensaver won't let you run two instances either < 1256684424 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :niether will firefox < 1256684451 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox will if you use two profiles, but that's just annoying. < 1256684466 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should use a third-party-Xinerama-patched version of Ion. < 1256684472 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1256684673 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno how this shit works < 1256686605 0 :FireyFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256687068 0 :augur!n=augur@216.164.33.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256687149 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256687185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood_, twinview would Just Work :P < 1256687195 0 :FireFly[DS]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1256687229 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no it does < 1256687229 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n't < 1256687239 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want crap spread out over both screens < 1256687364 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed; since Ion doesn't do Xinerama, it can't know anything about how the screens are split when using TwinView. < 1256687372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood_, use one then? < 1256687375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unplug the other < 1256687383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1256687386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion fails I guess < 1256687408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or make a patch < 1256687418 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are existing patches, though. < 1256687423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use them then < 1256687429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fork ion? < 1256687479 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1256687500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should. It would annoy the hell out of the author < 1256687506 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling the Xinerama patches pretty much are a de-facto Ion fork. Haven't really looked at the situation. < 1256687584 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this X nonsense is inspiring; I think I'll check if my triple-head setup has magically fixed itself. (Some quasi-recent X upgrade broke it so that it crashes on startup unless I remove the third head.) < 1256687596 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/misc.html < 1256687607 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i can use xrandr < 1256687631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ThreeView? < 1256687641 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It will not support the pile of crap known as Xrandr 1.2 “Xinerama 2.0” (of the “choose the worst solution possible” design typical of major FOSS projects)" < 1256687671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does xrandr do? < 1256687707 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All kinds of stuff; on-the-fly resolution / rotation changes, mostly, but also multihead-related activities. < 1256687725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think pre-1.2 it didn't do anything multihead-related at all. < 1256687766 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And anyway nvidia's binary driver isn't very XRandR-friendly; it supports some basics of it, but not as well as the open-source radeon driver, whose "twinview"-lookalike is configured via XRandR, unless I remember wrongly.) < 1256687789 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1256687796 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256687863 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha; "Finally, here are some current window managers and tools that have an approach similar to (copied from) Ion --"; right, anything that's like Ion is copying from it. < 1256687863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood_, switch WM seriously. < 1256687901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ion wasn't the first tiling one was it? < 1256687910 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it wasn't. < 1256687923 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not interested enough to start digging up dates, though. < 1256687950 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ratpoison? < 1256687960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwm or such I would guess