< 1256774417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will use Dropbear for the standard ssh server and client. < 1256774420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html < 1256774953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1256774959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the opposite of a dependency? < 1256774968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., thing-that-depends-on < 1256774974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than thiing-that-is-depended-on < 1256774985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thing < 1256775000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depender? < 1256775512 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :independency? < 1256775512 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1256775531 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependee? < 1256775555 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/tools.html < 1256775604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know; but rabid devotion to olde unixes is not rational. You won't see any simplifying improvements from Heirloom. < 1256775609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless, it is one option. < 1256775624 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depender depends on dependee < 1256775641 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, I don't know if they are real words < 1256775642 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://asm.sourceforge.net/asmutils.html ? < 1256775644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: right, but I want the analogue to dependency :P < 1256775677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Might as well just use Busybox then; more widely used, just as over-minimal and without the crazy assemblyness. < 1256775678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for reminding me of Heirloom, though. < 1256775680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot about it. < 1256775694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1256775716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If you're adventurous, could you see if the programs in `CVSROOT=anoncvs@anoncvs.NetBSD.org:/cvsroot cvs checkout -P src/bin` will compile on Linux? Small download. < 1256775735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makefiles are broken without the surrounding tree; just do `cc -I. *.c -o name` in a directory. < 1256775741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most compile here on OS X; some don't, though. < 1256775749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, OS X is basically BSD. < 1256775764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Lemme pull up my i686 vm. < 1256775775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, what are you using now? < 1256775779 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86_64. < 1256775782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1256775797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't change things, but okay. < 1256775798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, their ed doesn't support i < 1256775805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, it's *NetBSD*. I'd imagine they're somewhat smart about architectures. < 1256775808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a < 1256775815 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, isn't that which depends a "dependent"? < 1256775824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The context is an error like: < 1256775855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ rmpkg important-thing < 1256775855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't; (word)s are: < 1256775855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : some-program < 1256775856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : some-other-program < 1256775856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're sure, use -f. < 1256775863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. can't; things that depend on this are: < 1256775906 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many compile errors... < 1256775920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which program? < 1256775925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ls" should work. < 1256775927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them. < 1256775933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, wait. < 1256775934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does ed work? < 1256775945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd ed; cc -I. *.c -o ed < 1256775948 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1256775952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errors? < 1256775964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buf.c:36: error: expected declaration specifiers or ‘...’ before string constant < 1256775973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buf.c:107: error: ‘MAXINT’ undeclared (first use in this function) < 1256775977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#if 0 < 1256775977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :static char *rcsid = "@(#)buf.c,v 1.4 1994/02/01 00:34:35 alm Exp"; < 1256775977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#else < 1256775977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__RCSID("$NetBSD: buf.c,v 1.26 2006/03/17 14:37:14 rumble Exp $"); < 1256775978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif < 1256775983 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... It goes on further. < 1256775983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow, I doubt that's the line 36 it's talking about. < 1256776005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :static const char rcsid[] __attribute__((__unused__)) = "$NetBSD: buf.c,v 1.26 2006/03/17 14:37:14 rumble Exp $"; < 1256776016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF is that error about, then? < 1256776042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also... buf.c doesn't say MAXINT, anywhere. < 1256776072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go try it on i686. < 1256776085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you were using the x86_64. < 1256776089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... still doesn't explain it. < 1256776157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, how's this for initlevels: < 1256776162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# kill -QUIT 1 < 1256776300 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: How about "supports" ? < 1256776321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: Technically correct, but it seems odd — supports is generally used as in "X supports Y" < 1256776324 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1256776331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to "Can't; supports are:" < 1256776336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(contrast "Can't; dependencies are:") < 1256776405 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1256776408 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"depended on by" < 1256776413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that works :-P < 1256776499 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1256776520 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would appears that the problem with NetBSD tools is the macros are hard to hunt down & fetch... < 1256776543 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same issues on i686-pc-linux-gnu, BTW. < 1256776563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef INT_MAX < 1256776564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# define LINECHARS INT_MAX /* max chars per line */ < 1256776564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#else < 1256776564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# define LINECHARS MAXINT /* max chars per line */ < 1256776564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif < 1256776569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think the issue is just header files. < 1256776576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#if defined(sun) || defined(__NetBSD__) || defined(__APPLE__) < 1256776576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# include < 1256776576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif < 1256776585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: -D__NetBSD__, wouldya? < 1256776608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: is probably also causing issues. < 1256776634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmf. < 1256776650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a shame, because these tools are very good... well-maintained, compatible, yet simple. < 1256776674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :May be able to get them to work with patching. < 1256776727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1256776752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, for ed, you need -lcrypt. < 1256776754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just so you know. < 1256776757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and add -DDES. < 1256776765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, and -DBACKWARDS < 1256776771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Reading the Makefile) < 1256776788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I don't have an -lcrypt... < 1256776858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Remove the sys/cdefs.h and the following info boilerplate, and... You get linker errors from nonexistent functions. < 1256776867 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since BSD libc has things glibc doesn't. < 1256776876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1256776880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got any alternative libcs in that VM? < 1256776885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I won't be using glibc... < 1256776905 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing that will have BSD extensions. < 1256776965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a shame this is. < 1256776979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION downloads the Heirloom Toolchest, to look at the code
< 1256777013 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I can't get asmutils to build at all. *shakes fist* < 1256777040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what would be nice? If there was a vi clone that wasn't anally vi-compatible, but didn't have vim's bloat. < 1256777057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hate systems that use a traditional vi clone as `which vi`, but vim?) < 1256777121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, btw, this is interesting: http://codingrelic.geekhold.com/2008/11/six-million-dollar-libc.html < 1256777125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Android's BSD-licensed, minimal libc < 1256777139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uses Doug Lea's malloc (dlmalloc). < 1256777149 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tried to take the page seriously and chose Annihilation, fwiw
< 1256777158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Hmm. < 1256777167 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I chose Online < 1256777168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You're suicidal, then. < 1256777207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, submitting "Annihilation" is just one of many methods of suicide. If you think it's the right option, you're suicidal. < 1256777223 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like you should be afraid of being bored. If you are, set the time limit < 1256777230 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Will work well for non-C++ stuff, I'd imagine. < 1256777243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I can get the STL from elsewhere. < 1256777255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conditionally suicidal. the condition being that i were a simulation in a computer in an atheist 23th (?) century world < 1256777255 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exceptions. < 1256777256 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would be afraid of getting bored in either the online or the dream choices? < 1256777268 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything changes < 1256777276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The time limit is for being bored and suffering from akrasia, to be precise (as much as I hate the Less Wrong crowd using that word like it's their baby). < 1256777276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No need to do it. < 1256777278 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the latter, your memory would fade away eventually < 1256777288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: Some people think death is a good thing. When pressed they may say that eventual death is a good thing, just not now. < 1256777290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are not rational. < 1256777303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But picking Annihilation? < 1256777304 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree as to their irrationality < 1256777308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's being suicidal right now. < 1256777320 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably agree < 1256777330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dream choice is scary... you may eventually adjust, and start to tie together the pieces. < 1256777342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And once you do, you stop fooling yourself. But you're trapped. < 1256777346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: i was wavering on Dream a bit though < 1256777347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cue consciousness claustrophobia. < 1256777358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so, any rebuttals to the accusation that you're suicidal? < 1256777374 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, have you seen the movie "Vanilla Sky", or the spanish-language movie it is a remake of? < 1256777394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it was on TV one time or something. But it's an old idea. < 1256777399 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1256777411 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: depends on your definition of suicidal. < 1256777416 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your tying it together just reminded me of that < 1256777429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, you had a choice where you could die or not die, and it would be entirely your own choice. < 1256777443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the dying would be a separate action, rather than an inaction or reaction. < 1256777450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You chose to die; i.e., you killed yourself. How's that not suicide? < 1256777455 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if, in Online, he could program "Dream" for himself
< 1256777461 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could switch between the two < 1256777475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Online is the only open-ended one. < 1256777478 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256777479 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1256777485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, the real dudes will ignore you, but will that be true forever? < 1256777486 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, you could maybe create your own body < 1256777492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly! < 1256777496 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1256777496 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's a suicide in an imagined scenario. < 1256777497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reality is overrated. < 1256777500 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :revolt! < 1256777505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, but you tried to take it seriously, says ye. < 1256777528 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My prefered afterlife would be the one described by Sam Hughes, I think < 1256777540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i tried to take the _context_ seriously too. my choice was not valid unless i accepted that context. < 1256777568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So, what? An artificial consciousness is a lesser existence than a real one? Define artificial./ < 1256777572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*artificial. < 1256777589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silicon-based instead of carbon-based, what's the difference. < 1256777600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Too solitary for me. < 1256777619 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add in computer terminals with chatrooms! < 1256777626 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256777628 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you could arrange to meet with people < 1256777644 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadfacebook.com access, to meet up with all your dead friends < 1256777660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.picturesforsadchildren.com/index.php?comicID=294 < 1256777674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ pretty cool afterlife, if you're not claustrophobic < 1256777700 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would get lonely
< 1256777711 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the only way to talk to friends would be to be buried near them :/ < 1256777724 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which really, REALLY, sucks < 1256777742 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what about cremated people. They're dead dead < 1256777755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their ashes wake up! < 1256777765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, you know, they're dead dead. < 1256777770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO DON'T GET CREMATED < 1256777774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get buried above ground or something < 1256777776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"buried" < 1256777786 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it wasn't so much the artificiality as _who_ was running it < 1256777797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but, e.g. in online, it'd be irrelevant < 1256777802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'd have no control over you any more < 1256777805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, in all of them it's irrelevant < 1256777809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he relinquishes you < 1256777813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're free < 1256777815 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by who, i mean which civilization < 1256777821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256777823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with it < 1256777839 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it contains no God :D < 1256777853 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it explicitely says that < 1256777856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does, and he wrote that page < 1256777864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, you _want_ a dictator to exist? why? < 1256777877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god is a scary idea, irrespective of its existence < 1256777894 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants Heaven to exist. If that's dependent on God, then I want God to exist
< 1256777914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you want heaven to exist? It's not a utopia, it's a dictatorship. < 1256777932 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive < 1256777938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly < 1256777942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I could not be happy in a dictatorship < 1256777954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just mean a blissful place, well, what a copout, we can perfectly hypothesise that without god, we could create it < 1256777967 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree < 1256777968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going "oh, but we need god to make it" is just laziness. < 1256777979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or learned helplessness, whatever. < 1256778005 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wish to Immanentize the eschaton < 1256778030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, I want to stop people using that phrase even though I've never seen it used before. < 1256778056 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall seeing it, or something like it < 1256778064 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, a blissful place for dead people < 1256778066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I googled it. < 1256778078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I see. Why dead people? < 1256778081 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where we can learn whatever we want, interact with whoever we want, if they want to interact with us < 1256778084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not dead, anyway. < 1256778093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An afterlife merely redefines "death". < 1256778100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not an afterlife, it's just life, stage 2. < 1256778117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, to rephrase, you want to go into the next stage of life, which is an eternal utopia, i.e. no death. < 1256778131 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1256778136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can see that this idea clearly does not require god, and is something that, theoretically, we can do. < 1256778153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only theoretical barrier is entropy, and we'd have a few billion years to work that out. < 1256778168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, basically, you don't really want an "afterlife"; that's a misnomer, and it doesn't require a god or death. < 1256778186 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but it excludes those who have already died, before this human-made afterlife was built < 1256778187 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1256778209 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256778211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1256778236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If they could possibly partake in it, they are not dead. < 1256778251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't seem to understand: dead people don't exist. If there is an afterlife, then "death" isn't. < 1256778295 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my previous statement, by "dead", I meant "dead according to people who are no longer alive in the sense that we currently understand" < 1256778302 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-huh < 1256778307 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some other definition that should be um, understandable < 1256778372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. Entertaining such a concept not only goes against Occam's razor and the scientific method, it diverts attention away from "we need to stop people dying". < 1256778465 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ok to die. In fact, everybody should die. *Presses bu...* Aw... it broke! < 1256778481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1256778493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→→→→→ONWARD→→→→→→→→TO THE BRB STATION→→→→→ < 1256778598 0 :Cerise!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Jerry < 1256778649 0 :Jerry!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Cerise < 1256779276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :← < 1256779278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bakk < 1256779286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Any luck with, I forgot what you were doing? < 1256779348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :methinks dropbear is good < 1256779367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no sftp in dropbear though < 1256780353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, you can use OpenSSH's sftp server with dropbear, it seems. < 1256780736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1256781180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Could use http://tools.suckless.org/9base as my slightly-less-core utils! :-P < 1256781185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But naw) < 1256781784 0 :Kalagar!n=email@68.43.90.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256781818 0 :Oranjer1!n=Owner@adsl-243-209-62.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256782003 0 :ehiird!n=ehiird@91.105.101.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256782008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1256782018 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hii there < 1256782021 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1256782029 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1256782066 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite so. < 1256782094 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how! < 1256782094 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests < 1256782102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests
< 1256782115 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION toasts
< 1256782126 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that show up as "* ehiird test" for anyone else? (the ehiird one) < 1256782140 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1256782144 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing an s < 1256782145 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1256782150 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scoffs
< 1256782158 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it as
ACTION tests < 1256782173 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests again
< 1256782178 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1256782194 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: i saw * ehiird .* both times, though :P < 1256782207 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1256782218 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even for the * ehird tests one? < 1256782223 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE A HALLUCINATORY MAN, OERJAN < 1256782233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that was not one of them < 1256782244 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, anyway, I'm talking via the filesystem-based IRC client ii! And vim with some mappings to send. < 1256782249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both implies 2, you know. < 1256782264 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite pleasant, although I could do with a tiling window manager to avoid these big terminal windows. < 1256782292 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it displays actions as (inverted .)ACTION foo(inverted .), so I should probably use sed to mangle them into something nicer. < 1256782333 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bindings: we appends to irc.freenode.net/#esoteric/in then does dd (erase line, non-vimites). In insert mode, /me expands to ^AACTION^A. < 1256782345 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, ACTIONOD < 1256782361 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. That character before OD is escape (^[). < 1256782369 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-huh < 1256782383 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, when I type /me, it actually expands in front of my eyes. :P < 1256782398 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: fuse? < 1256782406 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make it trigger on /me, probably. < 1256782414 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Nope. Just good old regular files. Put it in tmpfs if you want. < 1256782420 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it doubles up as a logger this way. < 1256782448 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: oh, so it's just a file-monitoring system? lame < 1256782457 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not lame, it's usable. < 1256782486 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably have another sed script that does s/ehird/ehird\007/, but eh. < 1256782501 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And some provisions for not doing that to my own messages; easy enough.) < 1256782522 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks this is actually pretty usable
< 1256782593 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No luck. < 1256782599 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Oranjer < 1256782604 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With what? < 1256782613 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should make a fuse client
< 1256782636 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: This has the marked advantage that your logs ARE the IRC window. < 1256782646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetBSD coreutils. Or asmutils, for that matter. < 1256782649 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Physical files, bitch! We need a revolution in non-virtual filesystems. :P < 1256782656 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Aw. < 1256782668 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, this is ridiculously comfortable even in its barebones state. < 1256782670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1256782687 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you want to know more, you can take the Online option for your afterlife, and you will have all the info you can possibly want about the real world." < 1256782688 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye, Colloquy! < 1256782691 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that biases things < 1256782699 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it doesn't. < 1256782714 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It started me thinking "Online" before I ever saw the choices < 1256782727 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you're a futurist immortalist, probably. < 1256782743 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that it seems obvious is b asically just an indicator of your rationality. < 1256782746 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*basically < 1256782751 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: fuse would allow creative things like every user having access < 1256782765 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Elaborate. Isn't that just a+w? < 1256782788 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: No. Fuse allows you to discriminate on a per-user basis < 1256782791 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo! I love this client! < 1256782796 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: So what? < 1256782806 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could make it so that it maintains multiple connections; one per user accessing it < 1256782818 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is simpler, works as a logger, and is easier to set up. Woo physical files! < 1256782824 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: That's called "multiple ii processes". < 1256782838 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: ah, but you can't use the same directory, can you? < 1256782858 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, which is good because they're different things... < 1256782864 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume you've picked the sane implementation of having a directory for the server, and a file per channel < 1256782872 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filesystem = namespace = disambiguator. < 1256782877 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1256782894 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :server/channel/{in,out}. Also server/{in,out} and server/nick/{in,out}. < 1256782899 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ii isn't mine, btw. It's by the suckless folks. < 1256782939 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in/out is better because you can use tail and editors and shit without filtering, plus it's less magical. < 1256782959 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1256782962 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not by you < 1256782963 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1256782972 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why's that a bad thing? :P < 1256782990 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things are more awesome when written by someone in here < 1256783001 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1256783022 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you'll luuuuuuuurve my Linux distro, presumably. < 1256783038 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(leaving out the hell and annihilation options, for obvious reasons)" I didn't even see that the first time < 1256783047 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, is ehird still in here? I didn't get notification of its departing, but I quit Colloquy. < 1256783064 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote things are more awesome when written by someone in here < 1256783076 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :99| things are more awesome when written by someone in here < 1256783083 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1256783085 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256783093 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23| Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. < 1256783112 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible < 1256783113 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did that lag for anyone else? < 1256783118 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot has no purpose < 1256783118 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you! take! we find! the masamune!!! < 1256783132 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: yes < 1256783140 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1256783140 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct* darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1256783145 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also: Guys you totally should use my Linux distro when it's ready! It's grrrrrrrreat! Like Frosties.) < 1256783150 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I get the current style? < 1256783155 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just did. < 1256783161 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style agora < 1256783162 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: agora (a large selection of Agora rules, both current and historical) < 1256783163 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1256783164 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora* alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1256783167 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1256783171 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct < 1256783173 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this? < 1256783173 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multi-line messages < 1256783173 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) < 1256783173 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, can I do < 1256783175 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1256783179 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oohh no wonder < 1256783182 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My "we" just sends one line. < 1256783190 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SHOULD FIX THAT < 1256783225 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test. < 1256783233 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1256783233 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1256783245 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so I just need to fix deleting and hey presto. < 1256783271 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and if I enable hard wrapping at ~500cols... < 1256783310 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any clever vim users here? What's the best way to delete the whole file's contents? < 1256783354 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::%d < 1256783376 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clever and obvious; why didn't I think of that? < 1256783390 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably because I somehow forgot what % did to :s at some point in time and never looked it up...) < 1256783416 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now, I can just put stuff like this in the buffer: < 1256783416 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main() { < 1256783416 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return 0; < 1256783416 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1256783416 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and it just works! < 1256783467 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone pooped on ehiird < 1256783491 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did? < 1256783496 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why wasn't I informed of this development? < 1256783624 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: Eh?! Eh?! < 1256783625 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1256783857 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1256783863 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is HackEgo so slow? < 1256783868 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :39| I'm a furry < 1256783876 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Is that why? < 1256783891 0 :Oranjer1!n=Owner@adsl-243-209-62.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256783900 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Oranjer1. < 1256783904 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a goatee? < 1256783993 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1256784007 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evil twin! < 1256784029 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256784044 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Oranjer0 doesn't exist anymore < 1256784048 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've superceded him < 1256784055 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true; I saw it on Star Trek. < 1256784060 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is Oranjer still in here? Is ehird? < 1256784063 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1256784072 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ii isn't showing /parts; how strange. < 1256784079 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm busy watching I Heart Huckabees < 1256784085 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1256784098 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, well, I Heart YOUR MOM. < 1256784101 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1256784101 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya later < 1256784104 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-huh < 1256784108 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buh-bye < 1256784109 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See ya FACER < 1256784156 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :mes < 1256784246 0 :mes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION downloads splitvt to try and unify these two windows
< 1256784259 0 :mes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what? why am I mes < 1256784269 0 :mes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hm. ah. < 1256784282 0 :mes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/names"; a is dropped as the presumable space char, /n = change nick < 1256784285 0 :mes!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1256784287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada < 1256785017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: another reason real files are awesome -- put it on nfs < 1256785022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voila, IRC bouncer. < 1256785027 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1256785030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH! I JUST BLEW YOUR FUSE! < 1256785058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... actually a really good idea < 1256785062 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: can't you NFS a fuse partition? < 1256785067 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/partition/mount/ < 1256785070 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256785082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, possibly. I wouldn't want to try. < 1256785090 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1256785103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a good idea, though, isn't it. < 1256785120 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1256785127 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256785155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, setting up screen for this is a beeeeeeeeyotch. < 1256785509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rheet. < 1256785514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, 'sit broken? < 1256785535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh < 1256785536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail -f out | < 1256785536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while read line; do < 1256785536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if echo $line | cut -f4- -d" " | grep -i rhe+t >/dev/null; then < 1256785536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : echo "Ding!" < 1256785536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fi < 1256785538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done >in < 1256785540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't see why it shouldn't work. < 1256785542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION modifies that to rhe{2,}t, anyway
< 1256785600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh; that's it picking it up from the logs. Rheeeeet. < 1256785614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1256785634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1256785643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so it's picking up lines. < 1256785723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hope this doesn't spam... < 1256785725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :piping yes 'Ding!' to irc is generally considered rude, ehird < 1256785768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256785804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my life. < 1256785806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't do that! >_< < 1256785808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I can't stop it >_< < 1256785810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should give up... sometime... < 1256785819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1256785905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1256785927 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION once piped yes to someone's terminal
< 1256785933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1256785935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test a b c < 1256785936 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After they were writing to me while I was in emacs < 1256785939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that works < 1256785951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc < 1256785953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rheet < 1256785956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rheet < 1256785960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rheeet < 1256785961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhet < 1256785974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Motherfuck-- ohhhh. Ohh. < 1256785990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck grep with a rake. < 1256786012 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No thanks. You might like that, but I don't. < 1256786019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you?! Rheet! < 1256786024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING! < 1256786027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1256786032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rheet < 1256786032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rheeet < 1256786038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME, GREP? < 1256786049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts? < 1256786053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rheet? < 1256786055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1256786074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I fixed it. < 1256786074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rheet. < 1256786086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY OH WHY < 1256786136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rheet < 1256786147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mother-fucking-fucker-shitty-scripting-shelling-iiing-thing-ARGH < 1256786211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abc < 1256786213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rheet < 1256786215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rheet < 1256786221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my grep is broken or something < 1256786228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bangs head against wall. This is annoying.
< 1256786241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. Test. < 1256786279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rheet. < 1256786283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rheet < 1256786373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. < 1256786374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rheet. < 1256786374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256786376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1256786412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I was going to call this an example of how awesomely easy it is to script ii, but that might be seen as disingeneous in light of recent events! However, that was grep's fault (+ needs to be \+; sigh). < 1256786429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh < 1256786429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail -n 0 -f out | < 1256786429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while read line; do < 1256786429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if echo $line | cut -f4- -d" " | grep -i 'rhee\+t' >/dev/null; then < 1256786429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : echo "Ding!" >in < 1256786430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fi < 1256786432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1256786434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does the obvious. < 1256786448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do a nc -e style affair by putting >in after the done. < 1256786461 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet < 1256786462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256786467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhet < 1256786469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rheet < 1256786469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256786473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet < 1256786473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256786535 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not ii's fault you don't know how to use grep < 1256786537 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(j/k) < 1256786542 0 :mad!n=madbrain@modemcable175.136-81-70.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1256786549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's grep's fault its regexp format is so retarded. :P < 1256786557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fault/fault that/, I guess. < 1256786570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and watch as I forward a channel to another channel! < 1256786614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-29 02:23 -!- ehird(n=ehiird@91.105.101.218) has joined #esoteric-blah < 1256786614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-29 02:23 -!- ChanServ changed mode/#esoteric-blah -> -s+tc-o ehird < 1256786627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-29 02:23 rheet < 1256786627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256786635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My rheet-script only executes in here. Go on, join #esoteric-blah and try it. :P) < 1256786635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding! < 1256786642 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION did that once. Forwarded chat between Sine and a channel on another network. Spammed the other channel into an active channel that happened to be named SGEO. Guess where Sgeo can't go.
< 1256786650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-29 02:24 -!- Sgeo(n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #esoteric-blah < 1256786652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-29 02:24 Hm < 1256786661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've killed the rheet-script since it got annoying. < 1256786684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's how I did this, incidentally: [~/irc/irc.freenode.net/#esoteric-blah]$ tail -f out >../#esoteric/in < 1256786691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very simple. < 1256786710 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should probably be eating
< 1256786717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not >> ? < 1256786730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Nope; in is magical. < 1256786739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sucks up anything you give it and immediately blanks out. < 1256786747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically like /dev/null but with side-effects. < 1256786804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :YourMom < 1256786808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1256786811 0 :YourMom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should be eating!
< 1256786830 0 :YourMom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-29 02:27
ACTION concurs!
< 1256786830 0 :mad!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is dram so complicated < 1256786838 0 :YourMom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I am so complicated. < 1256786838 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say something to that, but it would probably be offensive < 1256786845 0 :YourMom!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1256786850 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though really I'm the only person who'd be offended. < 1256786851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I postulate that I cannot be offended! < 1256786904 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.. I can't even write a response, because it would be inappropriate < 1256786921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE AS SPEECHLESS AS YOUR MOTHER IN BED LAST NIGHT < 1256786948 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mom's been dead since 2004. < 1256786955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch :| < 1256786957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry < 1256786966 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1256786987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, you never said sorry to _me_... < 1256787007 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what's happened in your life? If I may ask < 1256787019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody cares about oerjan! Well FINE, sorry. < 1256787038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheesh, emotions, you'd think someone died! Okay I'll shut up now < 1256787044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may ask. i don't feel like answering, though. < 1256787070 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats ehird -----###
< 1256787077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dies
< 1256787105 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occurs to me that i _might_ be sending some mixed signals here < 1256787115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS POSSIBLE < 1256787127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i am MAD, so... < 1256787147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-29 02:32 oerjan is such an idiot, going on about how he's mad in #esoteric? Isn't that right, guys?! < 1256787149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops. < 1256787158 0 :mad!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :madbrain < 1256787161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-29 02:32 *#esoteric. < 1256787167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops! < 1256787208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutually assured destruction, that's me < 1256787215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats ehird again -----###
< 1256787296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually said that #esoteric-blah :-P < 1256788206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: also < 1256788229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say you have some (s)ftp somewhere, but can't run your own programs on that server < 1256788241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mount it with sshfs or something, run ii on your home computer, and leave it on < 1256788259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC bouncer with just internet-accessible storage and a left-on computer! < 1256788281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. I'm not sure if file change notification works over SFTP... < 1256788285 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1256788288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's fun in theory! < 1256788292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you weren't here. < 1256788300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-29 02:50 coppro: also < 1256788300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-29 02:50 Let's say you have some (s)ftp somewhere, but can't run < 1256788300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : your own programs on that server < 1256788300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-29 02:50 Mount it with sshfs or something, run ii on your home c < 1256788300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omputer, and leave it on < 1256788301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-29 02:50 IRC bouncer with just internet-accessible storage and a < 1256788303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : left-on computer! < 1256788305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-29 02:51 Well. I'm not sure if file change notification works ov < 1256788307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er SFTP... < 1256788309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-29 02:51 -!- coppro(n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro) has joined #esoteric < 1256788311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-29 02:51 But it's fun in theory! < 1256788357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what? < 1256788368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what do you mean by "wait, what?"? < 1256788398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2009-10-29 02:51 -!- coppro(n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro) has joined #esoteric < 1256788408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did this not, in fact, happen? < 1256788425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:51:21 Well. I'm not sure if file change notification works over SFTP... < 1256788426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:51:25 --- join: coppro (n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro) joined #esoteric < 1256788426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:51:28 But it's fun in theory! < 1256788426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sure did, says clog. < 1256788428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but (1) why did you echo it (2) are you this lagged? < 1256788435 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah, I see. Neat < 1256788447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I echoed it because I copied-and-pasted what I said to him, thinking he was here. < 1256788449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok you are this lagged < 1256788456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not lagged. < 1256788458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1256788487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Of course, I don't think you can get file change notifications over SFTP, and doing "tail -f" will be hard... < 1256788575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it's cute. :) < 1256788604 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: use an FTP fuse module :P < 1256788622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but wouldn't "tail -f" on that consist of bombarding the FTP server? :-P < 1256788649 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1256788665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOSfs < 1256788679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean... FAT? < 1256788687 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you're fat < 1256788701 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not _that_ DOS < 1256788710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. >_< < 1256788719 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you mean File Allocation Table? < 1256788750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fat Allocation Table < 1256788753 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stfu we use tlas here < 1256788788 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, recursive acronym... < 1256788806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SFU, you mean. < 1256788816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's Kalagar, anyway? < 1256788856 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, actually. I just found #IRP somewhere, but it's rather quiet there < 1256788887 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You... don't know who you are < 1256788889 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared < 1256788894 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kalagar < 1256788896 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Oranjer < 1256788964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic. < 1256788975 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax, nice one < 1256789019 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, now avoid endless repeats... < 1256789055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? Why? Wh-- etc. < 1256789058 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird has been having trouble with that lately < 1256789212 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed he has < 1256789353 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn < 1256789358 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#IRP is looping < 1256789368 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slowly, but looping indeed < 1256789378 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax tried to break the loop < 1256789396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches
< 1256789401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to give some context? < 1256789705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256789724 0 :ehiird!n=ehiird@91.105.101.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256789733 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, it does indeed work as a log < 1256789744 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain just broke < 1256789790 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1256789793 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1256789796 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1256789802 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, ^styple < 1256789804 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: from where does the hero alone have the power. " m, madam...! i am the master of war! i've seen all kinds of battles from here, step back, prometheus! < 1256789804 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: we must do it to save you! who the heck are you?! c'mon!!! the monster who kidnapped the princess to the castle! and letting these...hoodlums in here? traitors like you deserve from heckran! ha! < 1256789840 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1256789851 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-117-216.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256789960 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1256789977 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo fax < 1256789989 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, you were apparently trolling < 1256790003 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom was trolling. < 1256790026 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256790035 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your troll is my...mom? oh, wait < 1256790472 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what you did there < 1256791509 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, http://w3.org/ was redesigned. < 1256791537 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1256791924 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like the new design < 1256791930 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do. < 1256792387 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwwww < 1256792757 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RABBITS < 1256792768 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1256792859 0 :Oranjer!n=Owner@74.243.209.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256792887 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1256792961 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@host86-164-33-56.range86-164.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256793352 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like this IRC client. < 1256793452 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-huh < 1256793726 0 :Asztal^_^!n=asztal@host86-162-149-117.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256793738 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Table ^_^" < 1256793818 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256793827 0 :Asztal^_^!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal < 1256794188 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I turned into a spear for a year. < 1256794209 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256794577 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the kind of table or desk that you sit at, not the one with rows and columns. < 1256794613 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk hyuk hyuk. < 1256794708 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what? < 1256794739 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what my name means. < 1256794749 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1256794758 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Hungarian. < 1256794763 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh < 1256794770 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was starting to learn Hungarian at the time, so I chose a word I'd just learnt :) < 1256794868 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know it now? < 1256794873 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1256794889 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep! < 1256794908 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Radiateur" < 1256794908 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean Asztal. < 1256794915 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oranjer: you know Hungarian?) < 1256794921 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or did you mean, now you know the name) < 1256794950 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now know the..name? < 1256795000 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: I know it to some extent, but for some unfathomable reason¹ I haven't had much excuse to use it < 1256795002 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like: < 1256795002 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't get it." < 1256795002 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's blah. Know it now?" < 1256795002 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yep!" < 1256795002 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Contrived, admittedly, but your confusion previously threw me off; if you knew Hungarian, surely you wouldn't be confused, as you'd see that Asztal means table. < 1256795018 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't think of any other options. < 1256795040 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1256795050 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: Some unfathomable reason to the power of one? < 1256795053 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-huh < 1256795069 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he cribbed "unfathomable reason" from wikipedia? < 1256795107 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1256795113 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: Oh, forgot my footnote... ¹ Nobody else uses it. :( < 1256795124 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1256795131 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm pretty sure... Hungarians use it. < 1256795135 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! < 1256795135 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just sayin' < 1256795294 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Asztal sat silently, stunned at this revelation.] < 1256795312 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256795331 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF is a Hungarian? < 1256795354 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to assume (hope beyond hope) that that was a joke. < 1256795392 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256795534 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please confirm it, Asztal, or I fear I wil not be able to sleep! :P < 1256795540 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256795544 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*will < 1256795629 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You sleep? < 1256795671 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I didn't have to, and I'm considering Uberman. But yes, I do in fact sleep. And I have to be up at like 9-10. < 1256795679 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can confirm that I know what a Hungarian is, though. < 1256795692 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ^_________________________^ < 1256795693 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would try Uberma if I didn't have a schedule to follow < 1256795701 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too happy < 1256795711 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that smilie is a bit too anime < 1256795728 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have to be up around that time... but I can't sleep because I just made GHC panic on my code :( < 1256795732 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: try Tesla. It was invented as a more hardcore Uberman ... that fits in with schooling. http://tesser.org/sleep/teslapattern/ < 1256795758 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Use only after a period of Uberman. Do not use while pregnant. No warranty. Your mileage will vary. Please don't sue us." < 1256795960 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm reluctant to try the hardcore polyphasic schedules (Uberman, Dymaxion, Tesla) because they haven't really been studied and I'm still developing... but then again, they must beat my fucked-up monophasic schedule. < 1256795990 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, mine's pretty messed up < 1256796000 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking of trying to switch to a diphasic schedule < 1256796005 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256796007 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biphasic, you mean? < 1256796011 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1256796014 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. siesta nap. < 1256796015 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a couple hours in the morning, a couple in the evening < 1256796026 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not known to work. < 1256796052 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A long (like 5-6 hours) night sleep and a midday nap is "natural", though. < 1256796079 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't recommend what you said, though. I don't think it would work. < 1256796087 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1256796097 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on my experiences, I think it would < 1256796104 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance http://www.puredoxyk.com/index.php/2006/10/05/charts-of-types-of-polyphasic-schedules/ says "biphasic (note: feasibility under dispute, though "traditional biphasic", which involves one long sleep and one long "siesta" nap, is well known to work and be beneficial.)" < 1256796113 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and matches your description (2 sleeps of 2-4 hours each) < 1256796130 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puredoxyk named and pioneered the Uberman schedule, so she's a credible source. < 1256796133 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1256796137 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that articcle may be circa 2006, but it's still worth considering. < 1256796140 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*article < 1256796148 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've certainly never heard of anyone doing such a schedule. < 1256796191 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be closer to your siesta nap schedule you described < 1256796207 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Siestas have to be done at midday; it's what the circadian rhythm does. < 1256796216 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's why you're a little sleepy at midday. < 1256796224 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when doing normal monophasic) < 1256796236 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, that's where mine would differ < 1256796249 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be about 2-7 am and then maybe 4-7 pm < 1256796260 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I'd see if I could shrink it < 1256796263 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the problem is that you can't just make shit up and expect your body to be happy. < 1256796282 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: this is based on my experiences when I ran my monophasic schedule into the ground < 1256796292 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a really-hardcore, who-the-fuck-knows-how-it-works schedule like Uberman, your body adjusts because otherwise it's gonna die. < 1256796298 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Biological_clock_human.PNG < 1256796305 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are its bitch; design around it. < 1256796316 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the total absensce of anything around noon. That's why siestas work. < 1256796325 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up sleeping like that for about a day, and it felt great; not sure about the long-term effects < 1256796347 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basing your theory on a day? Yeah, not gonna work. Too many variables from the previous day. < 1256796370 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: it felt like it would work < 1256796384 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: you're right that I can't know for sure < 1256796386 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bashes head against a brick wall
< 1256796397 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You slept one way for one day while you were self-admittedly on a fucked up schedule. < 1256796416 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basing on the fact that it "felt like it would work", and going against the circadian rhythm, you think you should adopt it. < 1256796420 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, that's just stupid. < 1256796443 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: people are irrational creatures < 1256796449 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fact of how our brains work < 1256796475 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...did you just defend your proposed adoption by admitting it's irrational? < 1256796490 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, at the lower levels we are rational, however if you're reasoning about it irrationality is your fault. < 1256796494 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*we are irrational < 1256796624 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: no. I'm trying to defend myself in a way that will cause you to realize that it's the sort of feeling that says < 1256796632 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm right about this" < 1256796673 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are an idiot if you seriously believe in such feelings and ignore all rational argument. Delusional in the highest order. < 1256796708 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those "feelings" are worth nothing; believing them without any other input is ridiculous enough, believing them when rational counterargument is presented is simply insane. < 1256796913 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: I'd believe you in normal circumstances, but when it has to do with my own body, I trust my body to give me the feelings that allow me to make the best choice < 1256796923 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION facepalms
< 1256796948 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256796949 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there is no rational counterargument < 1256796958 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew there were people this delusional, but I didn't know that the kind of crowd #esoteric attracts included them. < 1256796961 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what < 1256796967 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how on earth is there no rational counterargument < 1256796983 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your body's TOTALLY-ZOMG-RIGHT feelings are the very mediator of the fabric of truth? < 1256797065 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Science FTW. < 1256797071 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: your argument consists of two things: #1 is the circadian cycle. #2 is that there is no record of anyone doing this before. The first is already demonstrably mutable, but your assertion that the hardcore cycles work by forcing your body to adapt is mere speculation < 1256797085 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENCE? There is no rational counterargument, pikhq. < 1256797085 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has a FEELING < 1256797102 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's mere speculation backed up by the fact that, you know, otherwise they wouldn't have the same effects and would fail horribly < 1256797125 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second is a more plausible counterargument, however, it is not a proof < 1256797134 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the effects experienced while adjustment, and the commentary on them by adjusters, universally reflects the body going "ok, this isn't gonna end any time soon; and i'm dying, so, better adjust" < 1256797135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A couple hours in the morning, a couple in the evening? I highly doubt that that'd work. < 1256797139 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: trust me. I'm very good at pretending that speculation is fact < 1256797145 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Guess what? Burden of proof, bitch! < 1256797147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, if you really think that it would work, I encourage you *to try it*.] < 1256797153 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, my counteragrument isn't a PROOF. < 1256797162 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you don't even have ANY evidence. < 1256797164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let us know how it works -- the results should be interesting regardless of whether or not it works. < 1256797166 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- and no, your "feeling" does not even count as speculattion. < 1256797170 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*speculation < 1256797192 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise I'd be going around trying to disprove every god because its followers all have feelings that it's true, oh so strong feelings at that, stronger than whatever feeling you had. < 1256797200 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it wasn't just a hunch. < 1256797214 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, it was a MYSTIC INTERLINKED-CONSCIOUSNESS WAVELENGTH FEELING. < 1256797218 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1256797232 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, the boy who doesn't follow his feelings < 1256797243 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :............ < 1256797256 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh dear, I appear to be extremely ill to the stomach today. Oh well, up and to school!" < 1256797267 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just managed to accuse not ignoring rationality in the face of "feelings" as a bad, ridiculous thing < 1256797274 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you religious, coppro? < 1256797279 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're certainly delusional enough. < 1256797328 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: would you like me to flame you back? < 1256797349 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it would almost certainly have no connection to reality as clearly your thought methodology doesn't. < 1256797392 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: Given that was another flame, I will take it as an invitation to respond, particularly in light of the number of times you've flamed me when we've disagreed. Even when I was right. < 1256797429 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats, you also managed to paint me as someone orchestrating a campaign of flames against your beautiful rightness < 1256797442 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: I never said I was right all the time. < 1256797456 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're crazy, and i mean this in a very literal, non-insulting way. < 1256797480 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do like how apparently i can't state facts about your thought methodology without them being flames, though. < 1256797494 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crime scene, do not cross, all arguments invalid < 1256797609 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are an immature child who pretends to be all-knowing but isn't, and you hide your ignorance by demeaning other people when you disagree with them. You hide behind your ability to ignore any issues that you don't understand, and use insults to cover this fact up. You use insults to cover up for your inability to understand and properly refute the argument presented against you. Then, when... < 1256797610 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you do find an area of knowledge in which you are more knowledgeable than the other party, you capitalize on it, further deriding your opponent for not knowing whatever random fact it is you happen to know. < 1256797720 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like so many other things you have said in the past minutes, that would be an excellent statement if only it had any connection to reality; for instance, your mind has completely painted an illusory sense of all-knowing on me. < 1256797735 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would rebut it, but it is hard to rebut something which is based on premises that are simply false. < 1256797797 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, by deriding do you mean using in argument? because yeah. i do use facts i know to rebut other things. shocking. i'm such a horrible child. call the presses < 1256797827 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would also like to note that you're a hypocrite; noting that i am indeed not an adult -- i.e., I am a child -- is merely ad hominem < 1256797863 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a minor and so are you. i'm also over the age of 13, so there's no boundary between us age-wise. so even your ad hominem fails horribly < 1256797945 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in conclusion, you've often demonstrated that you have some kind of problem with me and view me as a sort of ad hominem generator that never makes any real arguments, and so this is nothing new. it is also completely imagined, and you would do well to try and remove from your mind this crazy delusional caricature of me. < 1256797971 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDW0ZnZxjn4 < 1256798089 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256798187 0 :ehiird!n=ehiird@91.105.101.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256798187 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh, and I'm happy to interpret this flame as an invitation to not bother to enage in rational argument with you any more, as i only do that with people who aren't completely crazy. you may feel free to enjoy the replacement of this stream with more often pickings from the previously more rarely sourced /dev/flame, or execute an /ignore command in an input booth at your nearest convenience. < 1256798208 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder why ii crashedw < 1256798218 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/w$// < 1256798308 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-169-73.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1256798505 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1256799161 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@host86-156-198-176.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256799466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :singing diarrhea in the bulk of the sevenfold! < 1256799467 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :singing diarrhea in the bulk of the sevenfold! < 1256799467 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :singing diarrhea in the bulk of the sevenfold! < 1256799472 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glio < 1256799478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww < 1256799588 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1256799618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays i sleep about 4 hours during the night, 4 hours during the day < 1256799633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what what? i didn't want your glio in my diarrhea i guess. < 1256799637 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you're inhuman you're not a datapoint < 1256799652 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the glia are sacred for us meniculous lizards. < 1256799669 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i say meniculous? < 1256799672 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed i did. < 1256799676 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and i googled it < 1256799688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking i should do that too < 1256799697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe i won't now that it's mainstream < 1256799697 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word fits! < 1256799703 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1256799769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1256799778 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get getting soon < 1256799786 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this like total lecture < 1256799805 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :total lecture < 1256799821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1256799946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about these things that you know they eat something, and they crap something out, and then you know they are consistent in their crapping patterns, the clinical term for said crapping condition is function < 1256799966 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clinical futz < 1256800001 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256800026 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've always liked the crapping analogy < 1256800046 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crapping futz < 1256800062 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a very crappy morning i guess < 1256800160 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why do you have two ehiird < 1256800188 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was too lazy to type i's, so i just wrote e and pressed tab a few times < 1256800208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e is pretty close to the tab so it's basically a free fall < 1256800250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really need to go i think, this is getting too complicated ~> < 1256800446 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-169-73.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1256800515 0 :iamcal!n=cal@69.181.46.213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256800649 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 148 (No route to host) < 1256800661 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256803199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1256803200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1256806745 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256808171 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1256808184 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256808288 0 :lament!n=lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256808891 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256809390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1256809402 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256809417 0 :Cerise!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Jerry < 1256809438 0 :Jerry!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Cerise < 1256809876 0 :Cerise!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Jerry < 1256809938 0 :Jerry!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Cerise < 1256813359 0 :Cerise!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Jerry < 1256813369 0 :Jerry!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Cerise < 1256813768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1256813778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1256813902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/*** end of main.c ***/ < 1256813902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1256813910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point of that < 1256813980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can cat all the files together and send it in an email and it's clear which is which < 1256814022 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256814033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that would only make sense if every file had that < 1256814039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not the case < 1256814047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just two out of around 20 or so < 1256814048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, where I've seen that, every file /did/ have that < 1256814108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, plus catting them together would be a bit strange. Oh and it wouldn't be very useful since there are both server/main.c and client/main.c (only the former has such a comment at the end btw) < 1256814127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah it would be an insane way to distribute a program < 1256814145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what's wrong with Python. And //-based comments. < 1256814154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't rely on the lines not to wrap < 1256814159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256814164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor the indentation to be preserved < 1256814170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wrapping in the middle of a C string would cause issues too. < 1256814188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the "a" "b" syntax is for < 1256814192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or backslash-newline, fwiw < 1256814210 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting fact: american sign language has two mechanisms for indicating negation, one of which can actually span the whole length of the negated object < 1256814233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw wc -l claims a total of 138250 lines for all *.c and *.h < 1256814248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yeah that way to distribute it would be rather awkward. < 1256814264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, uuencoded gzip works better when it's about that long < 1256814282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some purists apparently insist that things like Usenet distributions are human-readable < 1256814370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about that yencode or whatever it was called < 1256814379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure I seen it somewhere on usenet < 1256814390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's for sharing binaries, I think, rather than source < 1256814397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm possibly < 1256814408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's banned by most newsgroups other than the alt.binaries hierarchy < 1256814445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, was ages ago I last saw such a file, don't remember where < 1256814572 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They call the encoding "yEnc", though I think the common tools were yencode/ydecode. < 1256814642 0 :MigoMipo!i=54d907b4@gateway/web/freenode/x-xibkdptojjsqtglw JOIN :#esoteric < 1256814648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah possibly < 1256814697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders this (in a global include):
< 1256814699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifndef DEBUG < 1256814699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define DEBUG < 1256814699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif < 1256814702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1256814716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, DEBUG is pointless < 1256816793 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-156-198-176.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256817462 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1256817477 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256817711 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 180 seconds < 1256818123 0 :MigoMipo!i=54d907b4@gateway/web/freenode/x-dnxibtavfkwgfdcj JOIN :#esoteric < 1256818840 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1256820529 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256821077 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1256821516 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-122.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1256822494 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256823399 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256823731 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1256824560 0 :MigoMipo!i=54d907b4@gateway/web/freenode/session JOIN :#esoteric < 1256827344 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1256830495 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1256830986 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I am leaving. You are about to explode." < 1256831560 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sweet < 1256832032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, as in "I actually ran across that in serious code" < 1256832090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: obviously, it only works when DEBUG is defined < 1256832112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, XD < 1256832136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be funnier still if it defined NDEBUG too < 1256832680 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@host86-169-7-187.range86-169.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256833175 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1256833232 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@host86-156-195-233.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256833300 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256833302 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal < 1256834410 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256834437 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-155-73-22.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256834485 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1256835565 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And I can't think of any other options. < 1256835614 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be an extremely obscure word in hungarian, because hungarians always sit on the floor. yeah, that must be it. < 1256835622 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1256836694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, iwc < 1256836697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food < 1256836888 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so the resemblance they noted on the forum was not a coincidence... < 1256837660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1256837813 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256838322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, eh < 1256838333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what resemblance? < 1256838337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION never reads the forum
< 1256838349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with ishmael < 1256838364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is that name supposed to mean something? < 1256838386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't place it
< 1256838392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ishmael that has been in the martian theme for years? < 1256838406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh right. He was named that. Right < 1256838408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forgot that
< 1256838455 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the last line of today's comic is a reference to moby dick's ishmael, btw) < 1256839177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I never read that book < 1256839189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :planned to < 1256839201 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither. well, maybe a few sections. < 1256839306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that line is the most famous one in the book. also the first. < 1256839625 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1256840928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256841527 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256841756 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@82.66.176.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256842119 0 :MigoMipo!i=54d907b4@gateway/web/freenode/session JOIN :#esoteric < 1256843134 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@AAnnecy-751-1-12-146.w90-52.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1256843539 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256844365 0 :fax!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1256845403 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256846231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers the possibilities of obfuscation using only rules for quotes and backslash in shell
< 1256847223 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1256847282 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1256847469 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1256847501 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1256849125 0 :Oranjer!n=Owner@adsl-243-209-62.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256849343 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256850160 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256850170 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola augur < 1256850178 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1256850180 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sups < 1256850220 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing muchs < 1256850223 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*muches? < 1256850416 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_Law < 1256851217 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what's computation in swedish < 1256851228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, in what sense < 1256851370 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the mathematical sense i guess < 1256851390 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still < 1256851581 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computation = beräkning < 1256851611 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! < 1256851624 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compute/calculate = räkna < 1256851649 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the "be" at the beginning of beräkning add to the meaning? < 1256851650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1256851660 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, specifically? < 1256851661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalkylering < 1256851668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, eh? < 1256851673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1256851694 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the process of turning räkna into beräkning < 1256851715 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the be- -(~a)ing add? < 1256851717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like: what does the "co" at the start of "computation" mean < 1256851720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1256851723 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ha < 1256851728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, or maybe not < 1256851757 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, com-pute-ate-tion, I think? < 1256851764 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what of beräkning? < 1256851777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(computation: co-mputation, mputation being the act of doing it without co) < 1256851784 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! < 1256851789 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be-räk-ning < 1256851791 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naughty naughty < 1256851796 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, MizardX? < 1256851796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, no way < 1256851810 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the be- do? < 1256851827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :räk(a) = related to shrip (or is it prawn? I always mix them up in English) < 1256851846 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"räk" from "räkna" < 1256851853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, well yeah < 1256851861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ning is making a noun of it in there < 1256851869 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256851873 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the be-? < 1256851879 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really sure < 1256851896 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, AnMaster, it's shrimp and prawns < 1256851898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: oh, i thought beräkning would be more like counting. < 1256851913 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well, I shall ask google < 1256851915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, what is? < 1256851939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no. definitely not < 1256851942 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : räk(a) = related to shrip (or is it prawn? I always mix them up in English) < 1256851950 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrip --> shrimp < 1256851953 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :räkning = counting (v); bill (n) < 1256851953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, it was a Swedish joke < 1256851958 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1256851959 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1256851961 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1256851962 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::? < 1256851966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about räka == one of those "from sea but not fish thingies" < 1256851974 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1256852132 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"räkna" = calculate/count (verb). "beräkna" = to do a calculation (verb). "beräkning" = act of doing a calculation (noun) < 1256852148 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, thanks! < 1256852176 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not sure what "be-" adds to the meaning... < 1256852186 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am looking that up < 1256852232 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.svenskaakademien.se/web/Ordlista.aspx < 1256852235 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried searching that < 1256852249 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first for beräkning < 1256852252 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then for be- < 1256852276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, that is word *list* < 1256852281 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1256852318 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if someone who knew swedish read the "be-" words, they may be able to see a pattern? I dunno? < 1256852428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1256852428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, why do you care so much? < 1256852448 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why wouldn't I care? < 1256852499 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256852867 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, apparently "befattning" means "post" and "fattning" means "temper" < 1256852867 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1256852902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, or "grip" < 1256852911 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1256852916 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1256852921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and "beskriva" == "describe", "skriva" == "write" < 1256852928 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1256852933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1256852937 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :describe, scribe < 1256852937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see any logic < 1256852943 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scribe = write < 1256852978 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it must mean "this would be the object of this verb" < 1256852988 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beräkning < 1256852993 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that which is calculated" < 1256853010 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1256853013 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the issue was "räkna" <-> "beräkna" (both verbs) < 1256853025 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beräkna -- "that which is calculated" < 1256853030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1256853035 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1256853037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to calculate" < 1256853042 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1256853044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while "räkna" would be "to count" < 1256853047 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah-ha! < 1256853049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly but similar < 1256853063 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1256853075 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I shall repost what MizardX wrote < 1256853083 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my own convenience < 1256853085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1256853088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is spam < 1256853091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use scrollback < 1256853097 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrollback? < 1256853111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1256853113 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time I have to copy the ä? < 1256853116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that < 1256853120 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1256853128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, fix your keyboard? < 1256853133 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256853152 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't do that, we have yet to implement my modifying keyboard idea < 1256853400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, eh? < 1256853411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just change layout < 1256853416 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm < 1256853423 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...can't do that? < 1256853470 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow "be-" strengthens the verb, giving it a wider or more intense meaning. räkna (count) -> beräkna (calculate); sitta (sit) -> besitta (posess, occupy) < 1256853524 0 :cal153!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256853537 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, okay < 1256853541 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works for me! < 1256853559 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 148 (No route to host) < 1256853897 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, apparently "be-" in English also means intenstifier < 1256853906 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/be-#English < 1256854160 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1256854160 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: i, myself, will bring an end to all. ghosts lurk in the ruins! the structural damage is severe. the tale? you see, the mammon machine! < 1256854174 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, fungot, you got some ego on you < 1256854174 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: and you call yourself a frog, and ayla... i will not betray my friends! < 1256854179 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256854250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hm < 1256854251 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: we are looking, but well behaved! crono!!! < 1256854256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1256854260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that almost sounded dirty < 1256854275 0 :adarq!n=adarq@c-98-211-157-9.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256854281 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was like "I am biting my thumb, but not at you sir!" < 1256854345 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... beadding "be-" to every verb. < 1256854376 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256854377 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you bedo that? < 1256854385 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, would "would" becount? < 1256854411 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bewould < 1256854461 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of that as a verb... < 1256854471 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... < 1256854481 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I becan't bethink of that as a verb... < 1256854571 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like an adverb. < 1256854621 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_modal_verb#Would < 1256854635 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We apparently beclassify it as a modal verb < 1256854647 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bethink we beneed more quasimodal verbs < 1256854656 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In english, I mean) < 1256854674 0 :adarq!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1256854705 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256854763 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1256854769 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what do you bethink? < 1256854769 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: that no one was allowed to use the crane, enter any two of these letters, a b y. but, i...i shall obtain the 2 figurines on this floor to fight the mother brain, yet! < 1256854780 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256854799 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bemust beadd two of those letters, a, b, and y. to what? < 1256854837 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up, fungot, and I shall also stop adding "be-" to my verbs unless I find it appropriate < 1256854847 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot??? < 1256854849 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: we are looking, but well behaved! crono!!! the monster who kidnapped the princess to the castle! < 1256854849 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: but, we are far outnumbered!!! the monster who kidnapped the princess to the castle! and letting these...hoodlums in here? traitors like you deserve from heckran! ha! < 1256854849 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1256855218 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey everyone, anyone there? < 1256855224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1256855242 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, what do you think of combining Consensus Decision Making and Conway's Law? < 1256855249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1256855282 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_Law < 1256855296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, too busy to read atm. One line summary of both of them < 1256855302 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1256855305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one line each= < 1256855307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/)/ < 1256855314 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consensus decision-making is a group decision making process that not only seeks the agreement of most participants, but also the resolution or mitigation of minority objections. < 1256855334 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...organizations which design systems ... are constrained to produce designs which are copies of the communication structures of these organizations. < 1256855340 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's Conway's Law < 1256855347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former sounds like the classical swedish model. Less so these days < 1256855353 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256855373 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Consensus Decision Making has each member having the power of veto < 1256855421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that differs < 1256855434 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye < 1256855442 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a handy diagram < 1256855451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, traditionally it has been a lot of compromising to make sure no one is completely outraged < 1256855469 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the Swedish Model? < 1256855472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1256855478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of stuff < 1256855480 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/images/consensus.jpg < 1256855505 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Compromises in Consensus Decision Making would (hopefully) be least likely outcome < 1256855507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, that looks scaled down. Hard to read < 1256855513 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1256855522 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not scaled down, though < 1256855581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know? < 1256855600 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is small, but not unreadable. < 1256855612 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is at the maximum size, and that is the size it is presented as < 1256855616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, try it on a high DPI screen < 1256855620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then tell me it is readable < 1256855623 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1256855626 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256855627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forgot exact DPI on his laptop
< 1256855631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :around 118 or so iirc? < 1256855632 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! I feel like the idiot < 1256855643 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://treegroup.info/topics/Consensus_Decison_Making-CH.pdf < 1256855651 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a much bigger image there! < 1256855655 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :page 4 < 1256855666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same image yes < 1256855675 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256855675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, the conway thing. Expand on that please < 1256855728 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the quality and quantity of communication between any departments/members of a company/team will almost certainly be reflected in the system that that company/team makes < 1256855741 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, if a team is working on designing a car < 1256855761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm? < 1256855768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what then < 1256855791 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, if two team members have difficulty communicating, then the product they make will reflect such miscommunication < 1256855814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, mhm. Depends on how interconnected the parts they are working on are < 1256855821 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1256855838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets say, working on the fans in the car and the radio installation? < 1256855846 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the structure of a system/product will almost certainly reflect the structure of its creator's organization < 1256855852 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, exactly! < 1256855859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the fans I mean the engine fan < 1256855868 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1256855878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather unrelated < 1256855891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they dislike each other it probably won't affect stuff < 1256855896 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1256855904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while if it was two related systems, yeah, could lead to issues < 1256855910 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1256855919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are no good managers < 1256855922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all know that < 1256855926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no help from there either < 1256855931 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256855941 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's precisely my point < 1256855952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, it seems rather obvious... < 1256855964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to see why it even has a specific name < 1256855968 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that if Conway's Law is a good indicator of a product's structure, then we should change the organization < 1256855978 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, AnMaster, it's not obvious to all < 1256855983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, oh? < 1256855995 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more importantly, of course it'll be obvious to you, once I explain it to you < 1256856018 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holmes always found that if he explained how he got to a conclusion, everyone would say "oh, that's so obvious!" < 1256856027 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Sherlock Holmes, of course < 1256856035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, it seems (to me) obvious that people who can communicate better, and are working on a project will have less problems than people who *can't* < 1256856044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems to be all that law says < 1256856061 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only people, but entire departments < 1256856076 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not only communication, though < 1256856079 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the structure itself < 1256856114 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make two separate departments--air conditioning, and heating--you'd see such a distinction evident in the resulting product < 1256856147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why ls -a ~ lists several hundred files that match /\.serverauth\.[0-9]+/
< 1256856154 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?? < 1256856158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some from recently, some from 2006 < 1256856169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everywhere in between < 1256856171 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what!?!? < 1256856184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/.serverauth.6481: X11 Xauthority data < 1256856185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256856190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I know what it is < 1256856195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd thing that they were left around < 1256856205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than removed when I quit X < 1256856220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loves file(1)
< 1256856236 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-huh < 1256856240 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I must eat < 1256856241 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya < 1256856243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, night < 1256856247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to sleep
< 1256856251 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1256856252 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256856282 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya tomorrow < 1256856472 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CDM would be useless without good communication. The worse the communication, the longer it takes to make a decision, and the lower the ratio of agreed vs unresolved issues. This could explain why the court cases takes so long... < 1256856554 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CDM? < 1256856599 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX? < 1256856618 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consensus Decison Making < 1256856623 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ha! < 1256856662 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, it would be largely useless without good communication < 1256856719 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, I do not see the connection between "taking longer to make a decision" and "the lowering of the ration of agreed vs. unresolved issues" < 1256856765 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad communication = more people disagreeing, and less chance of those getting resolved < 1256856791 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1256856825 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then, I guess it would be imperative to provide a structure that encourages good communication, for Consensus Decision Making to work < 1256856873 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :know of such a thing? < 1256856901 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a structure that encourages good communication" ? < 1256856907 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye < 1256856913 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea < 1256856916 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a medium of communication < 1256856918 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1256856952 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what's wrong with "we meet every Xday at Y o'clock"? < 1256857073 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe repeated meatings. One or two hours a day, until the issue is resolved. That way there wouldn't be so many people wanting to get out, and just agreeing with whatever is presented. < 1256857253 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coundn't that be how they do in the European Parlament (and other big decision making organizations)? < 1256857580 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857580 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857589 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857593 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857597 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857603 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857605 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857605 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857605 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857605 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857608 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857608 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857608 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857610 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857610 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857610 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857610 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857610 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857611 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857611 0 :Cerise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256857628 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857628 0 :fax!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857628 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-155-73-22.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857628 0 :Warrigal!n=warrie@lunch.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857655 0 :cal153!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857655 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857655 0 :Oranjer!n=Owner@adsl-243-209-62.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857655 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@AAnnecy-751-1-12-146.w90-52.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857655 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857655 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-122.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857655 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-117-216.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857655 0 :mtve!n=nnnmtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857655 0 :HackEgo!n=HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857655 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-117-216.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857655 0 :jix!n=jix@cyb0rg.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857655 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@r02jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857655 0 :Cerise!i=jerry@unaffiliated/cerise JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857655 0 :SimonRC!n=sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857655 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857655 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256857747 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, shit, netsplit < 1256858773 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1256858785 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1256860111 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed"