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#esoteric :bsmntbombgirl! < 1262064930 0 :jpc1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1262065976 0 :jpc!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262066329 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@91.105.122.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262066450 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realised something disturbing. Lazy evaluation means that (length xs) might be _|_ for one of two reasons: xs is infinitely long, or xs is _|_. Whereas strict evaluation only has the latter. This is obvious, but: < 1262066483 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means that lazy evaluation gives your programs more opportunities to _|_. < 1262066495 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which isn't good at all! < 1262066544 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, lazy evaluation also means _|_ can go undetected, if a function chooses a certain branch, thus not evaluating it. < 1262066558 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add some more code and BAM. < 1262066565 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It jumps on you. < 1262066623 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason you get _|_ on an infinite list is because haskell is strict < 1262066628 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you want to minimise bugs, strict evaluation is actually quite superior. < 1262066635 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: Wat < 1262066638 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: ... Say what now? < 1262066642 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Yes < 1262066651 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Integer is strict < 1262066656 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think about it < 1262066662 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could just result in < 1262066669 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1+1+... < 1262066679 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only _|_ on show < 1262066691 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is a theoretical complaint. < 1262066707 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such an implementation would be beyond glacial. < 1262066721 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could hear the bits flipping. < 1262066728 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone: Strict evaluation is only quite superior for bug minimisation when all else is equal. < 1262066740 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, of course, it isn't. < 1262066754 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1262066769 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but if you're going to the effort of using the type system to its full < 1262066782 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As we should do more often < 1262066795 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lazy evaluation kinda negates that quite a bit < 1262066843 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also, wait < 1262066866 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way you phrased that suggests that there's no language that's like haskell but strict < 1262066880 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... Ocaml anyone? < 1262066901 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty similar. Does some things better, actually. < 1262066922 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah like being suitable for writing programs bigger than one page :o) < 1262066939 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: btw strict != impure. You can have strict monadic IO < 1262066947 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just no (>>) < 1262066999 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone: Yeah, strict != impure. < 1262067015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wasn't *aware* of any strict pure functional languages with a proper type system. < 1262067079 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about strongly normalizing ones (it doesn't matter if you use strict or pure, you get the same result) < 1262067091 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, my head is formulating a pure functional language with dependent types, first class modules (think ml functor style stuff), compile-time type inspection (type system metaprogramming), and arbritary syntactic extension < 1262067153 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while I'm piling on the cool shit, let's have region inferrence instead of a gc too. maybe. < 1262067174 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seen Ur? < 1262067185 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: My main inspration. < 1262067190 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk < 1262067200 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awesome < 1262067205 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed < 1262067233 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my lang will be moreso :| < 1262067258 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262067282 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functors? Why not just make a compile-level function module ... -> module ...? < 1262067293 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1262067302 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are first class values (at compile time), after all! < 1262067305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ocaml appears to have non-trivial functions from () -> ()... < 1262067314 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-trivial ? < 1262067316 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ocaml doesn't do monadic io < 1262067324 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry if I implied that < 1262067349 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ocaml-but-monadic is a trivial variation however < 1262067374 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my purely functional mind, the only meaningful functions of () -> () are \_->() and _|_... < 1262067376 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw why does hs do notation have "do"? It doesn't disambiguate < 1262067381 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just makes it uglier < 1262067411 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Total FP! \() -> () is IT. < 1262067411 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what of \_->_|_ and \()->() and \()->_|)? < 1262067424 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: Equivalent < 1262067426 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1262067440 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think \()->() is different to \_->() < 1262067440 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: AKA _|_, \_->() and _|_. < 1262067448 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_|_ = \x -> _|_ < 1262067450 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I specified that the type is ()->(). < 1262067456 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: Nope < 1262067458 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only value of type () is (). < 1262067465 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1262067466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And _|_, of course. < 1262067472 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right siypdragon < 1262067489 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\_ -> ()) _|_ < 1262067494 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are you (about \_->_|_ = _|_) < 1262067498 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is () when lazy < 1262067503 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But < 1262067511 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\()-> () < 1262067513 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_|_ < 1262067516 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is _|_ < 1262067520 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so \()->_|_ = _|_ too? < 1262067533 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: Yes < 1262067551 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1262067583 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone: Well, you claimed Ocaml was pure. So, I assumed that that meant it was pure. :P < 1262067589 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why Ur/Web uses SQL. Such a fancy language with such a hobbling, antiquated data store. < 1262067597 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL kicks ass < 1262067598 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I did not claim that. L < 1262067610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You more implied it, really. < 1262067619 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I inferred from that that it was pure. < 1262067626 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try using it to program stuff instead of whatever it's meant for, it's loads of fun < 1262067639 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: lol < 1262067652 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should rebrand SQL as an esolangs < 1262067657 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*esolang < 1262067695 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1262067711 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should make an esolang based on the best bits, and pretend I thought of it myself < 1262067750 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot a feature of my language < 1262067760 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every value is serialisable < 1262067778 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cURL would require: Gopher protocol, Xmodem/Ymodem/Zmodem, recursive retrieval (for HTTP, FTP, and Gopher), SSH (Secure Shell), port number ranges, SMTP, POP3, NNTP, and a different one < 1262067783 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functions, continuations, at compile time even modules and types < 1262067839 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you serialise [f,g,cont] I think that the environment shared by them would only be serialised once < 1262067862 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, the non-code part of a closure) < 1262067890 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No promises for that though :P < 1262067978 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is something wrong with pbox service, once you post something, it will use the number for the pastebin.ca URL instead, and then it won't work. If you redirect to pastebin.ca with the same number, then you can get the correct pbox URL < 1262068052 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: You seem like the type to know this stuff - does FRP work for linear things? Like command line programs. < 1262068071 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like it'd basically amount to a really verbose io monad < 1262068100 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about FRP < 1262068173 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you mentioned Ur a < 1262068181 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nd it uses FRP :-P < 1262068190 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BE AN EXPERT DAMMIT < 1262068217 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it good? http://pbox.ca/1135q < 1262068219 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1262068238 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is a weird bot < 1262068266 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's not a bot < 1262068278 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I am not a weird bot, and I am also not a bot < 1262068281 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you must be the author then < 1262068292 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Author of what? < 1262068295 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cute < 1262068313 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's cute? < 1262068314 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bots that pretend not to be bots... < 1262068346 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: Sam Hughes reference possibly detected! < 1262068350 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I'm not bots, really. I didn't just make this up, it is actually real < 1262068358 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I did write a IRC bot, too < 1262068361 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: commmands < 1262068362 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beep. Beep. Beep. < 1262068415 0 :pocketmonsterirc!n=pocketmo@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1262068425 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, I did wrote a IRC bot program < 1262068435 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1262068437 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not the bot < 1262068477 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;help < 1262068482 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: soupdragon is just trollin' you to the max :p < 1262068516 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care as much about < 1262068527 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure zzo38 knew I was kidding < 1262068539 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got advanced enough AI < 1262068549 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aieeeeeeer < 1262068551 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info" < 1262068563 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@91.105.122.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262068565 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/r/e/ < 1262068568 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1262068609 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PocketMonsterIRC supports some commands, try join and ro commands. You can also load separate modules, for loading a game, for example. < 1262068621 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ro < 1262068640 0 :pocketmonsterirc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon:ro #esoteric = Invalid < 1262068650 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU = invalid < 1262068654 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ro requires a dice notation < 1262068655 0 :pocketmonsterirc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon:ro = 0 < 1262068665 0 :pocketmonsterirc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon:ro 1d1 = 1 < 1262068679 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For private rolls, use rnd instead of ro other than that it is the same < 1262068690 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For multiple rolls, you can do like: ro 3d6 6 < 1262068697 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : ( < 1262068699 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it broke? < 1262068735 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it did, I didn't write it to check range < 1262068746 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sorry < 1262068748 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see the status in the window < 1262068753 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pocketmonster you are dead < 1262068755 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's OK, I will correct it next time. < 1262068759 0 :pocketmonsterirc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1262068893 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the documentation for metadata in TAVSYS is good enough? < 1262068904 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't undesrtand it < 1262068960 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should explain it a bit, the METADATA command takes ( id string extra -- ) < 1262068966 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numbers are unsigned 16-bits < 1262068986 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it understandable now? < 1262068997 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it for? < 1262069062 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is for encoding metadata for a text-adventure game as part of a TAVSYS story file or source file < 1262069157 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems fine but there's no space for adding in stuff that hasn't been considered? < 1262069173 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know TAVSYS though < 1262069198 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is space, because the ID number can go up to 65535. However, it has to be defined what the ID number is, so that it can be used < 1262069278 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAVSYS is just a text-adventure system I am writing. I have it mostly done, except for documentation and the standard adventure library, both of which are only partially complete. < 1262069291 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program works, however. I did make a sokoban game in it < 1262069298 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! < 1262069306 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds interesting < 1262069312 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a repo online? < 1262069341 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does a "repo" mean < 1262069355 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a directory with source code in it < 1262069369 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I will put it right now < 1262069411 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just wait a minute < 1262069427 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I just ask because I like looking - I probably wont have much helpful things to tell you < 1262069436 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, just a minute, please. < 1262069443 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine you don't need to hurry < 1262069473 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1262069645 0 :jpc!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262069733 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/tavsys/ < 1262069833 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the code of a sokoban game: http://pbox.ca/11363 < 1262069859 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey what set are these puzzles from? < 1262069905 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few various sets, including some I made myself. But there are only a few, because this is mostly just for example, anyways. < 1262069929 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 ace!! making sokoban levels is very difficult, < 1262069937 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I better play them though < 1262070065 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have Windows, you can download tavsys_win32glk.zip and then use tavsysc with the filename containing this codes as the first parameter, and the name of compiled file second (should be "sokoban.tav"). You can use tavsysglk to run. You might want to import the registry file it comes with, at first, but it is not a requirement. < 1262070122 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe for some reason it didn't even occur to me to try running the code to play them :D < 1262070271 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also download tavsys_src.zip and compile it yourself, however, the run-time program currently requires Win32 Glk (feel free to fix it if you know how), although the compile-time program should work anywhere. < 1262070336 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it requires not only Win32 Glk but also MinGW and the GNU C compiler. Feel free to fix these things if you know how. < 1262070477 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully the documentation should be understandable as it is currently written (although incomplete), but you can tell me if there is something wrong with the documentation, or with the program itself, or with the standard libraries, etc < 1262070504 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably when I have written the standard adventure library, next I will implement Cloak of Darkness as an example. < 1262070520 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is cool < 1262070912 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think you would use it, once the adventure library is written? I will certainly use it, to make at least one full game < 1262070977 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it seems like fun to try and get to run here (on mac right now since my gnu/linux borke) but I still haven't read it fully yet < 1262071146 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can get it to run on a Mac (you can use Glk or write a different user-interface code), I would like to see the codes for doing so, I might include in my program, then. < 1262071234 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you get an error that a negative number of array elements is not allowed, it is because the wrong number of bits in a number of each size, you have to correct that by changing the "#define cell" so that it is a unsigned 16-bits number < 1262071585 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1262071896 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :darnit < 1262071903 0 :darnit!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jcp1 < 1262071929 0 :jcp1!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jpc < 1262073574 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1262073599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1262073600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1262073999 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1262074018 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1262075451 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1262076362 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I will do freaking anything for a new router." < 1262076446 0 :jpc!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262076707 0 :MizardX-!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1262077652 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1262077664 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1262079529 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-13-28.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262080460 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1262082865 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" < 1262082937 0 :anmaster_l!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1262085529 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@client-82-13-16-131.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1262086745 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1262086756 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1262086879 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1262088869 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1262090912 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1262091101 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-13-28.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262091209 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1262091236 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1262091489 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@82.13.16.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262091940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, a game that has no reason to access the cdrom tries to do that < 1262091965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's python, shouldn't be too hard to track down < 1262092078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's due to pygame it seems. meh < 1262092811 0 :Guest22473!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262092811 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262092822 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262093147 0 :Guest22473!i=jerry@81-89-105-25.blue.kundencontroller.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1262093147 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1262093357 0 :bsmntbombgirl!n=gavin@97-124-201-100.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262093516 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262093606 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@kosh.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1262094408 0 :Guest22473!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262094408 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262094618 0 :Guest22473!i=jerry@81-89-105-25.blue.kundencontroller.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1262094618 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1262094813 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262095205 0 :bsmntbombgirl!n=gavin@97-124-201-100.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262096847 0 :ais523!n=ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262097228 0 :Guest22473!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Cerise < 1262098302 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262098451 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@kosh.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1262099317 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1262099888 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1262099899 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1262100290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1262100301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1262100316 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a trap! < 1262100317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how goes stuff with feather? < 1262100320 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, hi < 1262100331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hi too < 1262100342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1262100343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: don't ask < 1262100349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why not? < 1262100367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm mostly sane atm, and need to stay that way for a bit < 1262100371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1262100374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd /almost/ even forgotten Feather existed... < 1262100383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that would be sad < 1262100401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can remind me again when I'm going insane anyway < 1262100410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I know when that happens? < 1262100419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't very noticeable on you < 1262100430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i take it you have retroactively erased the memory? < 1262100446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what? < 1262100448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, existing progress continues < 1262100454 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHA < 1262100457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I've been working on Underlambda recently < 1262100463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1262100471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recreated my Unlambda -> Underlambda compiler < 1262100475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it now targets Underload too < 1262100488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm it handles skivd`. < 1262100504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also q if using Underlambda as the target (and it'll eventually handle c with Underlambda as the target) < 1262100592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you plan to make it optimising? < 1262100617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if that is possible) < 1262100623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to start off with < 1262100629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, maybe eventually < 1262102006 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kiddles < 1262102223 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1262102985 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1262103027 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1262103970 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262103970 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262103977 0 :Cerise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262103977 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262104322 0 :Cerise!i=jerry@unaffiliated/cerise JOIN :#esoteric < 1262104322 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1262104353 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1262104353 0 :bsmntbombgirl!n=gavin@97-124-201-100.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262105593 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Coyote finally caught me" < 1262105673 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@li14-39.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1262106183 0 :Cerise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262106183 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262106200 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262106200 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262106499 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262106523 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@kosh.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1262106525 0 :Cerise!i=jerry@unaffiliated/cerise JOIN :#esoteric < 1262106525 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1262106693 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-14-8.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1262106795 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1262106884 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1262107090 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1262107090 0 :bsmntbombgirl!n=gavin@97-124-201-100.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262107361 0 :Cerise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262107361 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262107374 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262107374 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262107510 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :farmer.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1262107543 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@kosh.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1262107678 0 :bsmntbombgirl!n=gavin@97-124-201-100.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262107701 0 :Cerise!i=jerry@unaffiliated/cerise JOIN :#esoteric < 1262107701 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1262107799 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1262108082 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1262108087 0 :lament!n=lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262108268 0 :mkry!n=mikehril@las-static-208.57.3.35.mpowercom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262108326 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, are you about? < 1262108349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was earlier, but hasn't said anything for a while < 1262108350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, anyway < 1262108367 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, thanks, and hello. < 1262108428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm busy working on Underlambda at the moment, and thinking about DownRight < 1262108520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a half-finished Unlambda -> Underlambda compiler atm, and I think you could use similar techniques to maybe compile Unlambda to Scheme < 1262108571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tricky part is mostly handling d, c is easy in a language that has first-class continuations < 1262108716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I should paste what I've done so far in case I delete it by accident again (what happened to my /first/ Unlambda -> Underlambda compiler) < 1262108725 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :memental < 1262108787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkry, hello < 1262108791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was away eating < 1262108798 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello AnMaster. < 1262108807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how goes things? < 1262108815 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came to thank you in person. < 1262108820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1262108853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1730896 < 1262108854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkry, I'm happy it helped. I also suggest you thank ehird (but he is rarely on for long nowdays) < 1262108854 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am over my crisis, and you played a part in that, so Thanks! < 1262108866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great news! < 1262108873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ehird and I cooperated on it) < 1262108874 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to, but do not see him here, if he appears when I am, I have my thanks for him as well. < 1262108889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkry, I think he log reads < 1262108907 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, Thanks Ehird! wished I could have given it to you in person tho. < 1262108926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkry, hm there may be one thing, hours before I got your mail about seeing a therapist I contacted the police in the place I believed you lived < 1262108943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did contact them again after to tell them everything was well < 1262108949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however I never got a reply to either email < 1262108962 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not surprising, police here are very busy. < 1262108965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I don't know if you moved since then or anything < 1262108979 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on where you think here is. < 1262108986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkry, I had it as Las Vegas, Nevada, (from 2008 irc logs) < 1262108993 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is still correct. < 1262108995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1262109022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkry, lets just hope police doesn't show up and mess things up then. < 1262109046 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow doubt they would, knowing the police around here. < 1262109049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1262109058 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if so, I can deal with it. < 1262109070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkry, well, a bit bad timing on my part < 1262109078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unlikely they'll bother, unless the first mail gets through and the second doesn't < 1262109082 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not worry about it, I am sure you did what you thought was best. < 1262109133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm :) < 1262109154 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do certainly thank you that you were concerned enough to actually do that. < 1262109173 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not have expected it from somebody who barely knew me. < 1262109193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkry, well, I was trying for good samitarians (spelling?) or such, but the ones in Nevada only had phone number, not email listed < 1262109203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was unable to call that from my mobile phone < 1262109208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got an error tone < 1262109226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the police :/ < 1262109238 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to believe in this day and age they would not have had some kind of Internet contact. < 1262109261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkry, some had. but only in UK, and in a few places in US < 1262109275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none in Nevada, I think there was one in Connecticut or such < 1262109276 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we are kind of backwards over here. < 1262109311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkry, wouldn't know about that < 1262109318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, you founded the internet < 1262109331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, arpanet < 1262109334 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that was back before the country fell apart. < 1262109353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, it could be that someone else would have done it instead if you hadn't) < 1262109362 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am most certain of that. < 1262109395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1262109413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when would that falling apart had happened? < 1262109420 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays the school system has been so destroyed, we do not get smart enough people here anymore. < 1262109431 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say in the later 80s. < 1262109435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nixon and watergate time springs to mind as points where US was definitely rotten < 1262109443 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1262109455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the US is really big and heterogenous, sometimes bits can be screwed up while other bits work perfectly < 1262109464 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is very true. < 1262109466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well of course < 1262109490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the issue is what parts are screwed up. How big impact they have. < 1262109509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, Sweden is certainly screwed up in parts < 1262109511 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :California is the worst, and since they are so populous they tend to spread it to the rest of the country. < 1262109521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that FRA-law for example < 1262109558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkry, I thought CA voted democratic mostly? < 1262109564 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do. < 1262109573 0 :jpc!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262109583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkry, well, less screwed up than sound of the south states at least then < 1262109605 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most areas have their problems, hard to find a reasonable place here anymore. < 1262109616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too different here really < 1262109646 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I wished I had stayed in Switzerland, their society was so much better than here. < 1262109662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, exact issues varies < 1262109668 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1262109700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkry, Switzerland, well with the stuff that happened there recently I'm not sure < 1262109706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the issue is that democrats aren't much better than republicans < 1262109712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true < 1262109719 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What has happened there? I have not really looked at that place since I left. < 1262109738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkry, err, not sure of the English terms, read it in Swedish newspapers < 1262109739 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, both political parties have their problems. < 1262109748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the recent vote about forbidding minarets < 1262109758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the majority was to forbid < 1262109762 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1262109765 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as that it's "both" political parties, rather than "all"... < 1262109785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that's bad < 1262109786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, whenever this is actually legal as a law, or if it contradicts other laws is one of the things being discussed now iirc < 1262109789 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing world everywhere I guess. < 1262109798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you don't read news? < 1262109804 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that in the UK wouldn't just have Muslims up in arms, but pretty much every other religion too < 1262109816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I do, but wasn't aware it was Switzerland < 1262109924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkry, at least Sweden is so far quite okay when it comes to such things. Of course, there are parties against it, and they are gaining < 1262109925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1262109989 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose all we can is adapt to the changes, and at least voice our opinions to those in power. < 1262109999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, and vote against people with opinions we don't like < 1262110004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1262110005 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1262110014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, in the UK the politicians are mostly too busy embezzling money to screw up the country too badly < 1262110015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or go found a micronation somewhere < 1262110020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could work < 1262110023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1262110031 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wonder for how long it would work. < 1262110038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm one of the few people who actually /likes/ it when they're found raiding national finances for their own pocket, it's so much less bad than what they could be doing) < 1262110193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are countries that seems quite okay thing. What about that one in South America. President is a native < 1262110198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember which one it was < 1262110259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, was Bolivia < 1262110567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, just look at the US. < 1262110611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The politicians get "funding" in exchange for raiding national finances for someone else's pocket, rather than just raiding national finances for their own pocket. < 1262110631 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1262110689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1262110898 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, have to reboot my machine, have a stuck process I cannot kill. < 1262110920 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1262111991 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re. poor education in the USA: http://redtape.msnbc.com/2009/12/when-i-published-gotcha-capitalism-two-years-ago-i-was-in-for-a-big-surprise-as-i-talked-about-systemic-hidden-fee-fraud-al.html#posts < 1262112626 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-70-166.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1262112845 0 :mkry!n=mikehril@las-static-208.57.3.35.mpowercom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262113251 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1262113391 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1262114239 0 :mkry!n=mikehril@las-static-208.57.3.35.mpowercom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262115861 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-13-28.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262116167 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262116391 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-226.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1262116683 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1262117014 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1262117018 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1262117589 0 :mkry!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1262118676 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1262118683 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1262120251 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1262120594 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-211-145-161.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262121480 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1262124591 0 :soupdragon!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1262126785 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"zzz" < 1262127635 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1262127897 0 :memental!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1262129571 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric