< 1262736005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone did type-level Brainfuck. < 1262736015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh, right, I forggot < 1262736016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot < 1262736020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i'll make a quick amendment < 1262736028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's just turning over to midnight now < 1262736035 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're four seconds late. < 1262736049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what date I should put on the post < 1262736116 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, my clocks are about 400 milliseconds apart. I wonder which one is off. < 1262736134 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1262736146 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing it's the local one. < 1262736256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay; post revised. http://ehird.blogspot.com/2010/01/computing-fib3-in-haskells-type-system.html < 1262736427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1262736527 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if Small Worlds missions are TC
< 1262736564 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :size limit? < 1262736594 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-139.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262736650 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, well, not counting any size limits, I guess < 1262736663 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Nice. < 1262736675 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if it's not possible to have an arbitrary amount of memory, that shouldn't count as close enough to TC, I guess < 1262736729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that metric c isn't tc < 1262736802 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I just chucked that into the discussion, the same way one says "but what about the angular momentum" in a planetary embyology discussion ;-) < 1262736819 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ooh, dunno < 1262736826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c isn't tc < 1262736832 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely remember the existence of a counterargument to the argument that C isn't Turing-complete. < 1262736833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof void* must be finite < 1262736841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: C + file functions is TC < 1262736844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pure C is not < 1262736854 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a counterargument to the sizeof argument. < 1262736868 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What units are sizeofs in? < 1262736877 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you recompile with larger datatype sizes whenever you run out of space? < 1262736929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: that is not C. < 1262736942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: sizeof returns size_t iirc < 1262736951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course sizeof size_t must be finite as well < 1262737015 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what forbids it? < 1262737025 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The small worlds tutorial wants me to watch a video on small worlds < 1262737029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c spec, i'm not going to go reading it minutes before i leave. < 1262737047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've debated this before and camp c-is-not-tc always wins ;) < 1262737058 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an ad for Small Worlds < 1262737061 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mindboggles
< 1262737082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMALL WORLDS SMALL WORLDS SMALL WORLDS ACTIVE WORLDS SECOND LIFE SGEO SGEO SGEO < 1262737082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ what i see < 1262737106 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of Finland, there's someone here who knows Finnish, right? < 1262737128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, yes, all the Finns. < 1262737138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Deewiant, Ilari, ineiros, maybe more. < 1262737146 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. That's many. < 1262737156 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says sizeof returns a number of bytes. I guess that's pretty much a killer. < 1262737181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1262737181 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the spec say that the width of a pointer has to be constant? :-P < 1262737190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define width. < 1262737208 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: bytes need not be 8 bits < 1262737213 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that sizeof says. < 1262737249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going now. Bye. < 1262737252 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, assuming the C spec allows it. So maybe we can just say one byte is infinite. < 1262737255 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See you. < 1262737258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you can't. < 1262737258 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1262737260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd explain but → < 1262737267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1262737275 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1262737341 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that the implementation says that the effect of integer overflow is undefined... < 1262737380 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one could have a C impl that recompiled when programs ran out of space < 1262737413 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but what about overflow from left-shift... < 1262737415 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, Small Worlds is essentially impossible to navigate without buttons getting in the way, and there are no camera controls, except a 2 mode zoom-in/zoom-out button < 1262737435 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the program runs out of heap space, one resizes the world to give more heap space < 1262737462 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the program tries to calculate a size_t to allocate or index with that causes integer overflow, resize similarly < 1262737605 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Need a Finn? < 1262737649 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: yeah! Just go through all of Zerwolf's images on DeviantArt and translate everything. :-P < 1262737659 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, let me find it. < 1262737710 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zerwolf.deviantart.com/art/Happy-Independence-Day-145781696 < 1262737733 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are "hyvää" and "päivää" in the form they're in? < 1262737933 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a partitive. It's used in stuff like "Good morning" (Hyv�� huomenta) and so on. And there should be no space in "itsen�isyysp�iv��". < 1262738016 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that makes enough sense. < 1262738053 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you studying Finnish? < 1262738180 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, though I would like to learn a Scandinavian language eventually. < 1262738203 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just happened to come across a Finnish artist. < 1262738427 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish is not considered to be in the Scandinavian language family. < 1262738439 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know there was a Scandinavian language family. < 1262738509 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant languages from the ill-defined Scandinavian region. < 1262738511 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're a set of partially mutually intelligible Germanic languages. < 1262738538 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I figured you might have meant that, but there's the ambiguity. < 1262738625 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1262738634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Also, regarding constant pointer width: C requires that a char only store naturals, that UCHAR_MAX be the maximum natural that char can store, and that UCHAR_MAX be of type char. < 1262738651 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C also requires that all the other types be sized multiples of the size of a char. < 1262738679 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How Scandinavian do the Finnish consider themselves? < 1262738692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it weren't for limits.h, you could have a C with an arbitrary-precision char. < 1262738703 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to learn something different, learn Finnish. If not, learn Swedish, but I can warn you that you'll find it rather boring. ;) < 1262738719 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How similar are boring and easy? < 1262738720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and make sizeof everything else be 1) < 1262738795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish is not even Germanic... ;) < 1262738827 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite true, that. < 1262738841 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Scandinavia is so ambiguous as a term so I can't really answer that. < 1262738897 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1262738946 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. My university has study abroad opportunities in Norway. < 1262738956 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, it's not even Indo-European... < 1262738962 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Swedish is surprisingly easy (even though my Swedish is extremely rusty, since I don't use it at all). < 1262739033 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A somewhat-related video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk < 1262739376 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How easy is Norwegian, then? < 1262739634 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite similar to Swedish. Swedes and Norwegians can understand each other. At least to some extent. < 1262739735 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1262739807 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia: "Some Norwegians also have problems understanding Danish, but according to a recent scientific investigation Norwegians are better at understanding both Danish and Swedish than Danes and Swedes are at understanding Norwegian.[1] Nonetheless, Danish is widely reported to be the most incomprehensible language of the three." < 1262740033 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1262740602 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undecidable instances? < 1262740861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes Haskell types TC. < 1262740876 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that and type families. < 1262740940 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bwahahaha < 1262740958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Quod? < 1262740966 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess whats sitting in my living room, looming 7 feet in the air :X < 1262740979 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill give you a hint, its tall, rectangular, and black < 1262740992 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and _ISNT_ a replica of the Monolith < 1262740993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to guess "the singularity" < 1262741053 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, i dont like your writing style. :( < 1262741189 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: its not The Singularity either < 1262741196 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a BLACKBOARD :D < 1262744908 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1262744943 0 :jpc!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262746532 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-86-163.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1262746532 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, i think you're totally right about the constraint system < 1262747198 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1262747967 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its going to need some interesting wiggling < 1262748660 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way im thinking of implementing it, constructors in the background will establish certain data-objects that act as places to have bindable properties < 1262748740 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. circle 50pt creates a hash, lets say, like { :type => :circle, :radius => :50pt, :size = 100pt x 100pt, :position => :v0 } < 1262748768 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than propositional constraints like type(x,circle), radius(x,50pt), ... < 1262748804 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these hashes are just effectively collections of constraint equations < 1262748824 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then on top of this there would be other constraint equations that the user can write < 1262748832 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a.center = b.cente < 1262748870 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which just creates a constraint in the constraints list like that < 1262748945 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im thinking of doing it this way because functions like over shouldnt update the things that it overs, but rather it should make copies < 1262749003 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so doing say below a b makes duplicates of a and b, and manipulates the positions, and returns a new object that those copy objects are bound to by constraints < 1262749902 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1262749908 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1262750054 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1262751346 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :IHATENINTENDO < 1262751356 0 :IHATENINTENDO!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :coppro < 1262753113 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1262753567 0 :Warriphone!n=warripho@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262753631 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1262753726 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wages war on warrigal's iPhone
< 1262753780 0 :soupdragon!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1262753959 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon! :D < 1262753968 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey augur < 1262754034 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows your semantics coming < 1262754060 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I got a bit stuck and I still haven't figured it out < 1262754067 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereat < 1262754198 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well see (28) John loves and Mary hates pizza, syntactically you can parse it quite easily given and : (X\X)/X, but the semantics don't seem to work out compositionally for that (?), whereas if you lock X down to a ground term {N,NP,PP,S} then I can't find a parse for the sentence < 1262754286 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can make it work compositionally < 1262754331 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lift John and Mary to S/(S\NP) and compose with the verbs, producing two S/NP's, then conjoin those then apply to NP < 1262754334 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pizza < 1262754368 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use the rules previously for what each of those things does < 1262754413 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that /should/ work < 1262754456 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are using AND(\x,LOVE(x,JOHN),\x.HATE(x,MARY)) $ PIZZA ? < 1262754481 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, remember, conjunction of predicates is fork over & < 1262754711 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i just did it, it works fine < 1262754769 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :John : NP : J --T--> S/(S\NP) : \p.p(J) < 1262754777 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mary : NP : M --T--> S/(S\NP) : \p.p(M) < 1262754787 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand what it means to fork over &, is it the semantics of "and" depend on the type of what it is applied to? < 1262754790 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loves : (S\NP)/NP : \y.\x.loves(x,y) < 1262754797 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hates : (S\NP)/NP : \y.\x.hates(x,y) < 1262754816 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mary loves : S/NP : \y.loves(J,y) < 1262754821 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, John loves* < 1262754829 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mary hates : S/NP : \y.hates(M,y) < 1262754860 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :John loves and Mary hates : S/NP : \y.loves(J,y) & hates(M,y) < 1262754883 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :John loves and Mary hates pizza : S : loves(J,p) & hates(M,p) < 1262755015 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the derivation is like (((John >T) >B loves) [something to do with and] ((Mary >T) >B hates)) > pizza ? < 1262755028 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1262755067 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and : ((S/NP)\(S/NP))/(S/NP) : \p.\q.\x.p(x) & q(x) < 1262755072 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent a while trying to figure out how to get and set up right so that it's used in this caes as and : (S\S)/S < 1262755100 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1262755114 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cant be universally the same type in CCG < 1262755125 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and : ((S/NP/V)\(S/NP/V))/(S/NP/V) : \p.\q.\x.\y.p(x,y) & q(x,y) ? < 1262755183 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa what S/NP/V what < 1262755200 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well (S/NP)/V < 1262755208 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what the hell does this thing do? lol < 1262755260 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay how about and : (S\S)/S : \a.\b.a&b ? < 1262755275 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1262755288 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my quesiton is, why does and have different semantics depending on the type < 1262755293 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er category < 1262755308 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has to produce logically-sensible things < 1262755320 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :John & Mary is a type error < 1262755327 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither John nor Mary is a truth value < 1262755334 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you cant perform conjunction on them < 1262755531 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you can't have and : (NP\NP)/NP ? < 1262755550 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can < 1262755554 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYNTACTICALLY < 1262755561 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what does it do SEMANTICALLY < 1262755565 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the question < 1262755573 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not every syntactically valid sentence has semantics? < 1262755593 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it might well have valid semantics, you just have to type-lift it correctly :) < 1262755611 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1262755616 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is too hard for me < 1262755621 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type lifting is the only way to get the sentence to parse, right? < 1262755626 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lift-compost-conjoin-apply < 1262755641 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1262755653 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and notice the semantics of those respective operations < 1262755661 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifting takes x to \p.p(x) < 1262755683 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose takes \x.f(x) and \x.g(x) to \x.f(g(x)) < 1262755704 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conjunction of predicates takes \x.f(x) and \x.g(x) to \x.f(x) & g(x) < 1262755777 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you do these, you just _get_ the right semantics. < 1262755848 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cant help but get 'loves(J,p) & hates(M,p)' out of this < 1262755858 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that makes sense < 1262755957 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, I got my program to do this < 1262755960 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eval compute in semantics ((((John >T) >B loves) < (and > ((Mary >T) >B loves))) > pizza). < 1262755996 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := AND (LOVE PIZZA MARY) (LOVE PIZZA JOHN) < 1262756012 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good boy < 1262756017 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:| < 1262756070 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look how bad the semantics for AND are though... http://www.pasteit4me.com/95019 < 1262756097 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :line 41 is basically /undefined/ < 1262756102 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know what this says < 1262756115 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well I can explain it any other way < 1262756122 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i think i see < 1262756136 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that looks about right! < 1262756143 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really?? < 1262756145 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasty? you betcha. < 1262756150 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is a bitch of a word < 1262756356 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I need to write something that takes John::loves::and::Mary::loves::pizza to the parse tree < 1262756372 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thats easy < 1262756373 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1262756375 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::nil < 1262756399 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought up an algorithm in bed, but I heard there's a really efficient one too < 1262756447 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know how the fuck i'd parse that shit, to be honest < 1262756460 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanna guest post on my blog about writing a parser for it, i'd be honored < 1262756461 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said it was easy!! < 1262756465 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARSING < 1262756467 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with your HEAD < 1262756470 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehee < 1262756471 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with your program :P < 1262756476 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, as for building the tree < 1262756482 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tree < 1262756490 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the thing is stuff like thrush makes it very tricky < 1262756509 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1262756510 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking every tree, that way if you get 0 trees then you know it's not got any pases < 1262756514 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parses* < 1262756529 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parse for this sentence in CCG is simply < 1262756548 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[[John loves] [and [Mary hates]] pizza] < 1262756552 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with only binary connectives (like >, <, >B, is just that < 1262766092 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an object with structure < 1262766119 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when really what i shouldve been thinking is that the pair <1,2> is just some object, with whatever structure, the structure doesnt matter < 1262766136 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is that object p such that first(p,1) & second(p,2) < 1262766143 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1262766178 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<1,2> may or may not be structured, but that doesnt mean you cant, say, call ∈ on it and say "foo" ∈ <1,2> < 1262766201 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can say first-of({1,2,3}) < 1262766231 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just that its irrelevant to the logic < 1262766282 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once i realized that, man < 1262766288 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam. it all clicked into place < 1262766303 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of it like a very low-level prolog program. < 1262766312 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lists, no datastructures, nothing < 1262767615 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Okay, have you ever been in #math? < 1262767633 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no why < 1262767650 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok nvm then < 1262767661 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1262767661 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1262767665 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did something go down in #math? < 1262767687 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRWBW was the best guy :( < 1262767697 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he actually taught me stuff I didn't know ... < 1262767755 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qdb.us/301117 < 1262767822 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up coppro TRWBW was the best < 1262767832 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. no he was not < 1262767835 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was TRWBW < 1262767835 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're acting like #math isn't a smugpit today < 1262767847 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what it is < 1262767850 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur just some guy that actually knew math < 1262767858 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kasadkad actually knows math. < 1262767858 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro it's about 20x worse than before < 1262767861 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: and was a complete asshole about it to everyone else < 1262767866 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, sure he wasn't the only guy < 1262767874 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kasadkad is a friend of mines :D < 1262767882 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's still bad, I'll leave < 1262767896 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well don't take my word for it < 1262768006 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, I could not stand watching TRWBW tearing apart people who just didn't get it < 1262768019 0 :anmaster_l!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1262768267 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahah, <3 qdb < 1262768278 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :division of cells: o -> 0 -> 8 -> oo < 1262768308 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make a nice ascii animation < 1262770231 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1262770272 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1262771624 0 :lifthrasiir!i=c4Db0jGN@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1262772402 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1262773864 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1262775609 0 :ais523!n=ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262776026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Y2010 bugs all over the place, probably because nobody was anticipating them < 1262776038 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1262776045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the typical problem seems to be that a format was reverse-engineered, and people assumed binary when it was actually BCD, or vice versa < 1262776052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :resulting in lots of things thinking it's 2016 < 1262776071 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1262776194 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that only makes sense if you leave out the 20 part, doesn't it. < 1262776232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1262776268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it rather similar to the original Y2K problem, doesn't it < 1262776280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1262776287 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, those bugs must all have been introduced in the last decade... < 1262776290 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1262776295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody cares about Y2K nowadays, though < 1262776298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 2000's gone already < 1262776318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it wouldn't surprise me at all if Y2K bugs became /more/ common after the big rush in 1999 to fix everything before the new year < 1262776336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1262776385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for my regular look at updates: it seems some security bug was found and fixed in Kerberos, and there are new daylight-saving rules for Bangladesh < 1262776432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and glibc's been fixed to handle the case where no IPv6 networks are available much faster < 1262777019 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beware of Y2K38!!1 < 1262779277 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.68.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262779386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jew bonanza < 1262779433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:24:22 if the program tries to calculate a size_t to allocate or index with that causes integer overflow, resize similarly < 1262779440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof is compile time though < 1262779555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:22:46 guess whats sitting in my living room, looming 7 feet in the air :X < 1262779556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:22:59 ill give you a hint, its tall, rectangular, and black < 1262779556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, put that penis away. < 1262779575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:24:13 ehird, i dont like your writing style. :( < 1262779575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the text was basically an excuse to show the code < 1262779588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides I wrote it when tired < 1262779596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might just delete it, it's not a particularly good post < 1262779606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because of: "Now we can define show using toNum. (Actually I broke this at some point, so it just makes show fail all the time with an overlapping instances error. Sorry. Patches welcome.)" < 1262779649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw does my blog look like it has a white background to you because it doesn't :< < 1262779692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: URL? < 1262779699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ehird.blogspot.com/ < 1262779712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :view with a graphical css browser, obvs < 1262779723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's either grey or greyish-blue < 1262779726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: posts written in Emacs with org-mode :D < 1262779728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on this screen, I can't tell which < 1262779729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's grey < 1262779737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, your screen is not really a reliable source of colour info :P < 1262779761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's in Firefox; shall I check in Epiphany-webkit too? < 1262779775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, sure; i look at it with safari so i see webkit already, but go ahead < 1262779786 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1262779787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have IE to hand, you could try that too... for a laugh, most likely < 1262779791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually #F5F5F5, the background < 1262779792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, same < 1262779795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have IE to hand < 1262779797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#EEE was too dark < 1262779803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might go for #F3F3F3 or something, dunno < 1262779815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: whoever says it's white probably has a gamma problem < 1262779842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Iook closely with a white window to the side I can tell it's grey, but otherwise it's very subtle < 1262779851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly I'm on the old Macintosh gamma < 1262779858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost white to me when viewed from above, but clearly grey from in front < 1262779866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.8 instead of Television/PC 2.2 < 1262779872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2.2 was made the default in Snow Leopard) < 1262779873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, this screen can make even #FFFFFF look grey from the right angle < 1262779881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just haven't put the DVD in the machine and hit gogogo) < 1262779885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darker than red, in fact < 1262779887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A legit copy would you believe?) < 1262779905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, PC gamma makes the grey very very slightly more obvious < 1262779921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that because Apple are more competent at DRMing? or because you want to support them with legitimate products? < 1262779928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or because your parents would notice if you pirated it? < 1262779931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some other reason? < 1262779942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I didn't buy it :q < 1262779955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I was wondering about that < 1262779973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't particularly want to support apple seeing as i'm probably on the road to migrating away from osx < 1262779990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only drm apple does is checking you're on a mac < 1262779994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no serial keys or anything < 1262780077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, let's see if i can write blog posts that are at least half as interesting as the average http://arcanesentiment.blogspot.com/ post < 1262780085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not! < 1262780154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:55:32 ehird, i think you're totally right about the constraint system < 1262780154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I ever wrong < 1262780172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:32:20 e.g. circle 50pt creates a hash, lets say, like { :type => :circle, :radius => :50pt, :size = 100pt x 100pt, :position => :v0 } < 1262780172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:32:48 rather than propositional constraints like type(x,circle), radius(x,50pt), ... < 1262780172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:33:24 and these hashes are just effectively collections of constraint equations < 1262780173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically the same thing < 1262780183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:35:45 im thinking of doing it this way because functions like over shouldnt update the things that it overs, but rather it should make copies < 1262780183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohohoh < 1262780187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no updating in my system < 1262780197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :below :: List Drawable -> Drawable < 1262780204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each drawable has its constraints as part of the value < 1262780208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and below merges them all < 1262780210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally functional < 1262780510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1262780520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know parser combinator libraries can be Applicatives instead of monads < 1262780529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can they be anything _less_ powerful? < 1262780555 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monad more powerful than applicative beacuse monad => applicative? < 1262780599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This module describes a structure intermediate between a functor and a monad: it provides pure expressions and sequencing, but no binding." < 1262780709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keys my keyboard lacks: Numlock, numpad /, numbad 9, numpad 4, numpad 5, left arrow, right control, right shift, \|, ]} < 1262780738 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How'd you manage that < 1262780744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With great effort < 1262780749 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously < 1262780778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1262781063 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :span {BCSI} = span {SK}\K < 1262781086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what is up with your keyboard? < 1262781089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how do you program? < 1262781108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm assuming that's desktop keyboard, not iphone keyboard) < 1262781126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Frankenkeyboard. And, well, \ and | are rarely used; I just finger the exposed circuit board when I want to type one of them. < 1262781132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ditto for ]}. < 1262781157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have any tactile response and I have to use my nail, but it beats the unholy effort of putting the keys back on (dun dun DUN). < 1262781171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I never use the numpad. < 1262781176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I used to, but this stopped me!) < 1262781179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I now type better.) < 1262781218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use the numpad due to spending nearly all my time on laptops < 1262781230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The numpad is bad because I have to move my hand dto use it. < 1262781235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So learning to touch-type the number row is better. < 1262781285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you the sort of person who always left numpad on, or the sort of person who always left it off? < 1262781294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine very few people actually change it, due to muscle memory < 1262781309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always left it on; it was the only way I could type numbers quickly. < 1262781320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also always left it on < 1262781323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also used to type * with it, but not + or -. < 1262781326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go figure. < 1262781329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is strange as I rarely actually used it < 1262781333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO the non-numlock mode is pretty useless < 1262781343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Results 1 - 10 of about 9" < 1262781345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the keys are there right before the numpad... < 1262781345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1262781345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people use it for games < 1262781348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the middle column < 1262781351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ < 1262781355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi btw < 1262781356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: hmm < 1262781358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi < 1262781361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*AnMaster: hmm < 1262781375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a fun typo < 1262781384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google's "typo"? < 1262781390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, me getting the wrong nick < 1262781392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1262781407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a testament to how long I've spent in here that I have both your nicks sufficiently finger-memorised that I can typo one for the other < 1262781423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't tab-complete? < 1262781468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or he memorised something like: "an" and "eh" < 1262781475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1262781483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tab-complete's included in the finger-memorisations < 1262781486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i guessed < 1262781488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checking < 1262781488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ehird's short enough to type without completing < 1262781507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, nah, three letters is max I go before tab complete < 1262781508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're ais?\t but a\t would basically almost work i guess < 1262781509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just checked too; it is two characters at the start of the name that I've finger-memorised < 1262781517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly ai\t i think < 1262781523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: with AnMaster here, you need two characters < 1262781524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally use two I think < 1262781527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want it to be reliable < 1262781527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope < 1262781534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client sorts by last use or something < 1262781537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: test < 1262781539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: test < 1262781540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1262781545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tesing what? < 1262781547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing* < 1262781550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster is always [Aa]n\t for me anyway < 1262781551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and AnMaster has often spoken more recently than me < 1262781552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1262781555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never, ever type the m < 1262781569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, last use by _me_ < 1262781570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client repeats my last tab-complete if I press tab with nothing in the box < 1262781572 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah < 1262781583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, ditto here < 1262781585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: didn't realise that < 1262781588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I tend to try to always use three letters so that the risk of issues with someone new joining and messing up for me is less. < 1262781593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: now i will use it FOREVARRRRRRRRRRRRR < 1262781596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if one letter would be enough < 1262781627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about repeating last: not for me. Mine does however do "last nick to speak first" < 1262781637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I never use it < 1262781643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since most people are idle it helps < 1262781678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed xchat treats tab if you hold it down as "tab to other GUI element" < 1262781684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is rather strange < 1262781697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's what tab does, in nearly all GUI contexts < 1262781706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the CLI meaning of tab takes precedence over the GUI one in an IRC input box < 1262781727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but that it does that in the input box *instead of tab complete* if you hold tab down for about half a second < 1262781739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1262781743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually closer to a second I think < 1262781745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're giving you the opportunity to do one or the other < 1262781765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, otherwise the focus would be trapped in the input box forever if you didn't have a mouse, and only knew about tab for GUI navigation with the keyboard < 1262781796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hey that was something zzo would have said < 1262781801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not something you would have said. < 1262781816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn'y < 1262781818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*doesn't < 1262781823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course he would have added it should be configurable too) < 1262781841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is of the School of Works on Your 50-Year-Old Amstrad With Three Pixels and One Key < 1262781856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well only the last bit "if you didn't have a mouse, and only knew about tab for GUI navigation with the keyboard" sounded zzo-ish < 1262781870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's just "RAAR SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS ARE EVIL". < 1262781875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo wouldn't have put it at the end of the sentence < 1262781879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the grammar would be different < 1262781890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well okay, not too far off though < 1262781900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and yes he would have said there should be an option for it < 1262781919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, should suggest to him next time that he makes the options optional < 1262781920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo's amusingness is more than just options, you know. < 1262781938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo has an extremely logical mode of thought < 1262781944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yes. but I was concentrating on that bit here < 1262781958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, seems to have learnt politeness inductively, like I did, rather than understanding it innately < 1262781987 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain < 1262781997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to tab to another field in ZRCB++Q4 you can hold down the TAB key. But if you don't want it to tab to another field if you hold down the TAB key, also, you could change that option or you could edit the code to remove that also. < 1262782010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also also Also also also also buffalo. < 1262782031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ps imagine that line being said right after he enters without explaining what ZRCB++Q4 is) < 1262782041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Not sure exactly what you mean, but if it is what I think then it is similar for me < 1262782048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly for many of us < 1262782056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for ais523 to clarify what he meant with inductively here
< 1262782064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: trying to work it out from examples and experiment < 1262782080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric-politeness (where - is minus) FLAME! WAR! FLAME! WAR! < 1262782141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I do not think you can have a built in definition of what is polite. For a start, the details differs between cultures < 1262782150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1262782153 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.68.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262782153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1262782157 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.68.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262782163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :politeness is evolved < 1262782166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is considered polite in UK might not be in (for example) South Korea < 1262782175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I mean, more, that most people don't have to expend concious thought on working out how politeness works in their culture < 1262782179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as part of the general pack animal stuff < 1262782198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... dolphins are incredibly arrogant < 1262782199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to some extent they do share some similarities of course. But a lot of it will differ. < 1262782204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, also, please; every programmer on the internet thinks they're autistic/Asperger's < 1262782213 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1262782216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people parsed their communication, and it's nearly all them giving each other orders < 1262782221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and thanks for all the fish <-- doesn't sound too arrogant ;P < 1262782234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: they're actually correct, but only because Asperger's has been generalised to the extent that it's almost meaningless < 1262782252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, but learned politeness isn't really generalised that much. < 1262782258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : people parsed their communication <-- when did they figure that out? < 1262782284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm... I think what they did was invented a simple language, and taught it to the dolphins < 1262782288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :douglas adams created the impression of dolphins being all playful awesome intelligent creatures < 1262782292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda... bullshit. < 1262782304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they knew what the language was because they'd invented it in the first place < 1262782316 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's science fiction ehird :P < 1262782320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they're intelligent... but they're not civilised or anything, unless you call gang rape civilised < 1262782321 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not meant to read it as true < 1262782324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: you would be surprised how many people do < 1262782333 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am! < 1262782337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah, well could depend on the language. Or maybe they misunderstood it. < 1262782342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're intelligent, but they follow utterly different social rules from us < 1262782343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people are idiots and they cannot distinguish witty fiction from fact < 1262782348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it had verbs, and nouns < 1262782352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a sentence was one of each < 1262782357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you seriously calling gang rape a social rule < 1262782373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't know if it is true, but I heard some claims that if you don't have numbers in your language you can't count. < 1262782385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm not sure how to parse your question, but it's either trivially true or trivially false depending on what you mean < 1262782389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, one-to-one matching still works iirc < 1262782404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dolphins are pretty good at coordinating as a group, that's what the social rules are about < 1262782414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the effect of them is is unrelated < 1262782419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it seems like saying "dolphins are intelligent they _just have different social rules" is bullshit < 1262782419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen dolphins herding fish? < 1262782442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, have you? < 1262782442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: hmm, removing the comma completely changes the meaning of what I was trying to say < 1262782447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: on the TV, yes < 1262782453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they go round in circles breathing out < 1262782463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fish can't escape, because they can't swim through aitr < 1262782465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*air < 1262782470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other dolphins just eat the trapped fish < 1262782522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, they do that? And why did that make me think of something as ridiculous as dophins using underwater sheepdogs XD < 1262782534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OK, that is ridiculous < 1262782535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dolphins* < 1262782546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole sheepdog principle only works because sheep are terrified of dogs < 1262782560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, they could tame sharks or something XD < 1262782563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes sense, given the likely history of their interactions before humans came along < 1262782643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks about the old metaphor of herding cats
< 1262782649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream last night where I was given a Wii, which actually turned out to be multiple Wiis. Two of the three or four were the imaginary higher model Wii, which was seemingly identical apart from being much bigger. < 1262782654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how people discovered that herding cats was almost impossible. Experiment? < 1262782677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dreaming part of my brain cannot distinguish the Wii from the Xbox 360, which _does_ have multiple versions. Woe is me. < 1262782691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that previous line of mine was identical in real-world grammar and IRC grammar < 1262782702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it starts with a proper pronoun, and ends with a question mark < 1262782756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ais523 thinks about the old metaphor of herding cats <-- I haven't heard of that < 1262782767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a British one < 1262782775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds folkloreish? < 1262782777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that herding cats is basically impossible < 1262782783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well sounds reasonable < 1262782787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well,* < 1262782791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you compare things to herding cats if they're a similar sort of job < 1262782800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1262782802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, coordinating thousands of children, or whatever < 1262782805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SmgLtg1Izw < 1262782827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, has anyone tried this scientifically? *Ponders what the control group would consist of* < 1262782831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(relevant) < 1262782850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but on YouTube, and I don't like to watch that from a work connection) < 1262782876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've wasted more than 1:00 on irc already :p < 1262782879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current Flash compromise has it completely banned from Firefox, but allowed unrestrictedly on Epiphany, by the way < 1262782891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, logic behind that? < 1262782905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: unlikely to trigger Flash by accident < 1262782929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I only use Epiphany for file:// or when I'm specifically trying to look at something that requires FLash < 1262782971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any objections to me deleting http://ehird.blogspot.com/2010/01/computing-fib3-in-haskells-type-system.html, due to its generally rubbish writing? < 1262782981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders *why* synergy sometimes results in ghost pastes
< 1262782989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no; are you planning to redo it with better writing, by the way? < 1262783003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain has a sort-of objection to deleting blog posts on general principles, even if nobody is ever likely to actually read them < 1262783008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why not rewrite it? < 1262783022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a way to write it better, really. < 1262783027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code stands on its own. < 1262783031 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, the page you were looking for in the blog Elliott Hird's blog does not exist. < 1262783033 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:| < 1262783042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: I haven't deleted it yet. < 1262783045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you do? < 1262783050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon, remove the , at the end < 1262783053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not pat of the url < 1262783054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1262783070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my client does that too, and sometimes , *are* part of url so meh) < 1262783086 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird you only have one post???? < 1262783110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering i just registered it yesterday and set up emacs w/ org-mode to write the posts...yes < 1262783134 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't delete it or you'll never post anything < 1262783145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how the *heck* does one add items to the "Places" menu in gnome < 1262783150 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just hide it by posting lots of better stuff < 1262783153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: add to the nautilus sidebar < 1262783159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: no, posting a "HELLO WORLD" post will kill it < 1262783166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how illogical :D < 1262783167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: i wrote that post when sleepy, anyway < 1262783171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wanted to post something < 1262783175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how is that illogical < 1262783180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :places shows a few locations + nautilus favourites < 1262783191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well why should they be related < 1262783203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for a start they don't match < 1262783210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they do < 1262783217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly in that "removable media" is expanded < 1262783225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so thus you don't see it right away < 1262783227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will note a separator bar < 1262783236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not in nautilus < 1262783239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the menu yes < 1262783244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is no such in nautilus < 1262783252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the separated bits is the nautilus favourites < 1262783263 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooh < 1262783274 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genrealized composition with n=0 is application!! < 1262783282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, in the "places" thing in naultius, there are *no* separator bars bar one bar at the bottom (nothing below it) < 1262783339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, plus, I normally use the tree view if I use nautilus < 1262783350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there's a flame war going on about /nautilus/? < 1262783360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please, it's too meh to care about one way or the other < 1262783366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1262783380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: AnMaster's strategy is to use Ubuntu because he wants things to "JUST WORK", then tweak everything as much as he can, and complain when it isn't tweakable < 1262783392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1262783396 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude I want everything to work < 1262783400 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu doesn't ... < 1262783407 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fucking fails every couple of months < 1262783414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Ubuntu for a similar reason, but tweaking only when necessary, apart from things like the colour scheme which are unimportant < 1262783434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. I went and compiled the wireless driver myself, because it was needed to get the wireless to work < 1262783438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/1gF1j.jpg ;; IT KEEPS GROWING OH GOD < 1262783455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that was on arch < 1262783457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on ubuntu < 1262783469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, -_- < 1262783469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use GNOME on Arch? < 1262783476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you, retarded? < 1262783484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes because kde pulls in mysql for one thing. < 1262783486 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some programs use it whether you like it or not. < 1262783489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also kde 4 sucks IMO < 1262783507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that doesn't mean he has to use nautilus < 1262783512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh, lol @ mysql complaint < 1262783522 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but he was originally asking about the places bar < 1262783536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to run gnome-panel either < 1262783539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : e.g. I went and compiled the wireless driver myself, because it was needed to get the wireless to work <-- same. Well it worked. Just ooped at shutdown, just before syncing disks < 1262783540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only gnome users run gnome-panel < 1262783559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we run two of them! < 1262783564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus had to compile a backported one < 1262783589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not run it. But it is installed. mysql is not going to be on my system < 1262783609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you are truly a zealot of the highest order < 1262783612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I don't use nautilus much. < 1262783627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, hardly ever < 1262783645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, exception is probably working with gimp and similar tools < 1262783648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for image editing < 1262783654 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster of the high order or zealots will grant you an audience with nautilus! < 1262783676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the inscriptions on the ancient temple of the zealots < 1262783680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FVCK MVSQL < 1262783693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where being able to see a preview on the files like PICT4382.tiff helps < 1262783710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THOV SHALT HAV NO GOD ABOV OPEN SOURC < 1262783712 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1262783736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLASH WILT BE THE ONE THAT ENDS THE EART < 1262783747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my wireless driver's in a weird state < 1262783747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway, see the other reason < 1262783755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been written and packaged, but not added to the distro yet < 1262783762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *have* tried KDE4. and I *used* to positively hate gnome < 1262783775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but things have changed, both the project, possibly also me < 1262783796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meh at that grammar) < 1262783804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't *hate* it you just complain about it at every possible opportunity < 1262783812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I said *used* to < 1262783822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, a year or two ago < 1262783826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude you just complained about it < 1262783828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when it was KDE 3 vs. gnome < 1262783845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure I don't love gnome as such. < 1262783878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I find it acceptable mostly. < 1262783886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite nice even in many parts < 1262783976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I don't see why you are flaming me for using gnome < 1262783991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch is very nice for a desktop.. < 1262784002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not for a laptop (where I use ubuntu) < 1262784103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :frqstrbvrqtrstrqrstqrtq < 1262784112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1262784132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*frqstrbvrqtrqtrqrstqrtq < 1262784139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ttttttttttttttttt < 1262784146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sense -_- < 1262784158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ais523 complains about ubuntu too < 1262784178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they've made some truly stupid decisions < 1262784184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, see ^ < 1262784185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this as boring for you guys as it is for me, listening to AnMaster winge for seven years < 1262784200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: oh, I've been filtering it < 1262784202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mentally < 1262784208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, seven years? I'm pretty sure it wasn't in 2003 that I joined < 1262784238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you cut off a little knob of your filter and give it to me? < 1262784240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine's defective < 1262784241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wasn't on irc in 2003 even.) < 1262784258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't think so < 1262784268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind-of hard to share mental processes between people < 1262784274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly are you filtering? < 1262784282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't tell him, this is fun < 1262784283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fun" < 1262784289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversations I'm not particularly interested in < 1262784297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh well, everyone does that < 1262784308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do the same when ehird and augur talk linguistics mostly < 1262784309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoosh < 1262784316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't talk linguistics you dolt < 1262784332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, okay augur does. but you does seem to take part partly < 1262784338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the discussion < 1262784340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only when it dominates the channel, duh < 1262784343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called a conversation < 1262784349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of which this channel is one continuous one < 1262784452 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1262784480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: wat < 1262784551 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hate it when you two argue!!! < 1262784568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop him being an idiot and i'll stop arguing :|||||||||||||||||||||||\\\\\\\\\\\ < 1262784574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa those |s are blue green < 1262784576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trippy subpixels < 1262785134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.themilliondollartagcloud.com/ < 1262785134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1262785134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1262785135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1262785269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is it? < 1262785318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised the whole million-dollar homepage thing worked < 1262785326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who'd pay 1$ for a 1-pixel advert? < 1262785331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idiots < 1262785335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : trippy subpixels <-- I don't see that effect of course. Long live greyscale antialias. But those | are sharp. Looks like they are rendered exactly one pixel wide, and well adjusted to the screen pixels < 1262785355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, AnMaster is in "look at me my technology is SUPERIOR you care about this and want me to tell you all about it" < 1262785357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mode < 1262785392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no I'm just amused at that *you* is complaining about sub pixels :P < 1262785393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the combination of your two comments, to me, has given me a terrible thought < 1262785400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subpixel adverts < 1262785402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pay by the 1/3 of a pixel < 1262785406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1262785415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need a subpixel mouse too to be able to click on them < 1262785421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never complained about subpixels. < 1262785424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just said it was trippy. < 1262785436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, clicking on a pixel zooms it into three pixels < 1262785437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1262785441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there is nothing on that site that looks vaguely like an about page... < 1262785458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I didn't actually visit the site < 1262785470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :juts guessed what it was about from the name, and started talking about something similar I knew about < 1262785470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which site < 1262785475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :million dollar homepage or " " tag cloud < 1262785498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a better name for output than print. < 1262785503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the homepage that I knew about < 1262785504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, million dollar < 1262785509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... < 1262785513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :million dollar "hello world" < 1262785522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: You do realise that doesn't disambiguate one bit? < 1262785522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1262785526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, should be shortened < 1262785529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOTH are million dollar. < 1262785529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M$ "hello world" < 1262785539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://www.themilliondollartagcloud.com/ < 1262785541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT < 1262785548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then we started talking about http://www.milliondollarhomepage.com/ instead < 1262785551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of which the former is a ripoff < 1262785553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only site I saw mentioned < 1262785559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were wrong < 1262785574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as an url at least < 1262785951 0 :ehird`!n=user@91.105.68.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262785959 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning from ERC < 1262785999 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most annoying thing about Emacs is its tiling handling < 1262786018 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-x C-b q doesn't get rid of the $NAME_OF_WHAT_IT_IS it creates < 1262786022 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but e.g. q on a Lisp error does < 1262786041 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it should be hover-to-focus; I wonder if anyone's written elisp to do that? < 1262786049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1262786056 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need for colloquy if i'm futzing with emacs < 1262786063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1262786314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, it takes a bit of customization I find < 1262786395 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1262786400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you done that it is very nice. < 1262786501 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it isn't a very spectacular IRC client (just good); and it isn't a good Emacs citizen. < 1262786517 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, the IRC buffers' names should be enclosed in asterisks, because they are temporary, not to be saved. < 1262786525 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're not; they're just "#channel@server". < 1262786536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :send in a patch! < 1262786549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: also, they aren't are they. Logging? < 1262786549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't there at least 3 emacs IRC clients already? < 1262786552 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I don't have to send patches to every piece of software I criticise. < 1262786566 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The buffer's contents itself, including ERC> prompt etc, are not saved, no. < 1262786570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: think so. One is dead iirc < 1262786572 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The logs are a separate entity. < 1262786577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: well true < 1262786579 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The buffer is transient. < 1262786597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: but where would we be if I *agreed* with you < 1262786599 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you aren't expecting to go C-x C-s every now and then, it's transient. < 1262786616 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, why on earth does it restrict the width of messageses to a small portion of the Emacs width? < 1262786621 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's very inconsistent with the rest of Emacs. < 1262786632 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oddly enough, it doesn't do it for messages you enter until you send them. < 1262786641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: doesn't do that here.. < 1262786680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, there are tons of settings for it < 1262786680 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/0QRMW.png < 1262786693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, probably some setting < 1262786696 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is no excuse for bad defaults. < 1262786763 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww; is it just me, or can you not do C-x C-f http://imgur.com/0QRMW.png and have it automatically download and open it in Emacs? < 1262786771 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it needs tramp and I haven't loaded it properly or something. < 1262786866 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1262786906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, I don't think I tried that ever < 1262786914 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1262786929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that is possible with tramp, but possibly the syntax is wrong, or something like that < 1262786933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it isn't possible there is probably some elisp code somewhere for it < 1262786949 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs falling short of a unified object environment makes sad panda sad. < 1262786972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, it isn't written in smalltalk ;P < 1262787010 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like Common Lisp was the first standardised language with an object system or anything < 1262787039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elisp != clisp though < 1262787041 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hey, it's not as if CLOS, the Common Lisp Object System, is the most advanced and subtle object system in existance today < 1262787048 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, no object heritage in Lisp at all. < 1262787075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pointless to try humour, ehird` never gets jokes anyway) < 1262787079 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Indeed, and it's not as if RMS has no idea what Common Lisp is and has ignored it for its entire existance, thus not updating Emacs based on any ideas from it. Wait, that part is actually true. < 1262787214 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realised you weree joking, it just wasn't funny. < 1262787234 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blatantly irrelevant and boringly unadorned statements followed up with an emoticon do not equate to humour. < 1262787340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: sometimes they do < 1262787346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I fly around in a spaceship :> < 1262787357 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't really humour. < 1262787359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, was that supposed to be interpreted as a subjective or objective steatement? < 1262787362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :statement* < 1262787386 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, "sometimes I fly around in a spaceship" with no context isn't so much irrelevant as a complete non-sequitur. And I'm not sure I could call it boring. < 1262787405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a non-sequitur is irrelevant by definition, isn't it? < 1262787407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that reminds me of something. I can't place it though < 1262787433 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sure, but it's a massive *exaggeration* of irrelevance. < 1262787440 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exaggeration is pretty much the basis of all humour. < 1262787454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so < 1262787472 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, as I said, that was just more of an amusing nonsensicality rather than anything approximating a joke. < 1262787474 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least to me. < 1262787529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it's sort of an in-joke, minus the joke < 1262787531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just an in- < 1262787536 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An invalid. < 1262787544 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very valid in-. < 1262787572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, ForAll x [ Non-sequitur(x) → Irrelevant(x) ] is false given that you said that Non-sequitur("sometimes I fly around in a spaceship") and that it was *not* Irrelevant("sometimes I fly around in a spaceship") as well < 1262787584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for the sloppy syntax < 1262787596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but couldn't be arsed to locate the proper unicode symbols < 1262787603 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what's interesting? People who can't read English properly and interpret statements wrongly. < 1262787683 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A x. nonsequitur(x) -> irrelevant(x)) & (Most x. humorous(x) -> exaggerated(x)) & (A x. humorous(x) ->cancels-out-> lame(x)) < 1262787698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- you missed the humor *again* < 1262787704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do I even bother < 1262787722 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Just out of curiosity... did you see any humour in "ehird`, ForAll x [ Non-sequitur(x) → Irrelevant(x) ] is false < 1262787722 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : given that you said that Non-sequitur("sometimes I fly around in a < 1262787722 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : spaceship") and that it was *not* Irrelevant("sometimes I fly < 1262787722 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : around in a spaceship") as well"? < 1262787728 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just saw AnMaster's typical whining. < 1262787754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw the ForAll, got Mathematica flashbacks, and stopped reading < 1262787763 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copout. :P < 1262787778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you somehow managed to word-wrap your last comment, which is /very/ strange behaviour for IRC < 1262787782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah < 1262787788 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blame ERC. < 1262787789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally you leave that for the other person's client... < 1262787799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, never happened to me on irc < 1262787803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in erc* < 1262787810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: do you have autofill on by default? < 1262787812 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERC wraps lines by default. < 1262787812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could explain it < 1262787816 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I selected and middle-clicked to paste. < 1262787833 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you customised ERC; but you were saying that it never happened to you, as a defense of ERC. < 1262787834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, it doesn't do that here < 1262787837 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERC's default behaviour is to do this. < 1262787842 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, you are wrong. < 1262787851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, and yes I agree the default behaviour is sub-optimal < 1262787857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in many places < 1262787862 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So don't try and defend ERC by saying it doesn't do that, because it does. < 1262787864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never claimed otherwise < 1262787869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, what? < 1262787880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, I said I never hit that one < 1262787904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly I got rid of it thanks to changing some other related setting for a different purpose < 1262787918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like changing the fill mode of erc to better suite my tastes < 1262787932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is what fixed the ~ 80 columns wrap < 1262787939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wasn't doing it for that reason < 1262787958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing probably affected word wrapping < 1262787963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without me noticing that < 1262787974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, so what are you going on about < 1262787979 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#;> (values) < 1262787979 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1262787979 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#;> (if #f #f) < 1262787979 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#;> < 1262787982 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(space line is actually blank). Interesting; SISC's unspecific value differs from returning no values. They both output "nothing", but (values) causes an extra newline. Strange. < 1262787995 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if there's any reason for that; Java heritage, perhaps? < 1262788018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, SISC ? hm? < 1262788159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, those mathematical flashbacks. Painful are they? < 1262788169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: *Mathematica < 1262788170 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"matematical flashbacks" < 1262788171 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail < 1262788174 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's quite a difference in the one letter < 1262788174 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mathematical < 1262788174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, typo < 1262788178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1262788178 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Double fail) < 1262788183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I know it is a difference < 1262788187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: Muphry's Law? < 1262788191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I slipped on l somehow < 1262788197 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *Murphy's Lwa < 1262788203 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^^ metametajoke) < 1262788253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway what I meant and thought I typed was mathematica < 1262788661 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.acooke.org/ is now neither lowercase nor ridiculously crowded^Wpacked :( < 1262788673 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU! you're never too old to write a malbolge hello world again! < 1262788705 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it has a spot on the small page, good to know he's still proud of his only real achievement < 1262789638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, story behind that? < 1262789704 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1262789750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, it used to be lowercase? And what do you mean "only real achievement" < 1262789766 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He used to type in all-lowercase; see f.e. his Malbolge hello world page. < 1262789786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1262791188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, when was that hello world ga search? < 1262791207 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 2000-2003. < 1262791237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"500mhz nt box with 96mb memory" hm. Could fit if it was an old one I guess < 1262791243 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it took a few hours to generate the program on a 500mhz nt box with 96mb memory" < 1262791244 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took a few hours to generate the program on a 500mhz nt box with 96mb memory < 1262791246 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1262791249 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used clisp because it came with suse linux. it's a pretty solid implementation, but not as fast as some others (it's an exception to what i said above - it only compiles to byte code, like java). when it became clear i needed more memory than my own laptop (32mb) i "borrowed" my work's nt machine (96mb) and switched to corman lisp because it was faster and clisp seemed to be having a problem with large data sets. corman lisp doesn't < 1262791250 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implement quite as much of the standard as clisp (full standard implementations do exist, but the missing bits aren't used much anyway) and is win32 only (it includes a very nice interface to win32 dlls). if you're thinking of starting with lisp, either would be a good start - see www.lisp.org for more details (if you're on win32 and would like to access c libraries or like a nice gui (ide), i'd recommend corman lisp, but the gui isn't < 1262791250 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free). < 1262791252 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1262791256 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1262791268 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1262791268 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1262791271 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1262791274 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1262791275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, ? < 1262791277 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1262791277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1262791280 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XHTML, so post-1999. < 1262791283 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XHTML wasn't popular in 2000, I don't think, so let's say 2001+. < 1262791284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right < 1262791295 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And programmerly types tend to hold on to older hardware. < 1262791299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, or the page has been reformatted since them < 1262791300 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, SuSE Linux... < 1262791304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to fit a new web site system < 1262791306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1262791311 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not OpenSuSE, I guess < 1262791314 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No. < 1262791319 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page has never changed design afaik < 1262791319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1262791346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, I have a vague memory reading it before, don't remember the green headers < 1262791351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to wayback
< 1262791387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh it only has it from 2008 onwards < 1262791415 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, wait < 1262791417 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how to work it out < 1262791427 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malbolge was so difficult to understand when it arrived that it took two years for the first Malbolge program to appear. The program was not even written by a human being: it was generated by a beam search algorithm designed by Andrew Cooke and implemented in Lisp. < 1262791428 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1262791430 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malbolge was 1998 < 1262791432 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 2000 < 1262791443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1262791445 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe 2001, if the year just rolled over < 1262791462 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. malbolge dec 1998, acooke jan 2001) < 1262791480 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1262791640 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corman Lisp on Win32 in 2000. Why do I miss out on all the fun? :P < 1262791904 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that very different from Corman Lisp on Win32 in 2010 < 1262791930 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You Windowsers today and your sevens and your Arrow Snapeek. < 1262791946 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uphill, in the snow, both ways, with 2000 Professional, and Classic chrome. < 1262791954 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Netscape. < 1262791973 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I am leaving. You are about to explode." < 1262791978 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boom < 1262792207 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with (merge x y >>= \m -> parse (m::zs)) ++ (parse (y::zs) >>= \z -> merge x z) < 1262792214 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er if you change the :: into : < 1262792218 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "wrong". < 1262792231 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also merge::?,parse::?. < 1262792357 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1262792359 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work < 1262792374 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't typecheck? < 1262792376 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bottoms out? < 1262792379 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Returns incorrect results? < 1262792380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, oh you had it good didn't you? < 1262792385 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incorrect results < 1262792388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uphill both ways only!? < 1262792396 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: Howso? What are the types of merge and parse? < 1262792429 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :merge :: Derivation -> Derivation -> list Derivation < 1262792443 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is this? What is -- ok, I give up < 1262792443 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse :: list Derivation -> list Derivation < 1262792566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, in Windows ME it was uphill *all three ways* < 1262792581 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah! Windows ME could run Winhugs, I'm sure. < 1262792589 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A veritable playground of programmification. < 1262792617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, winhugs? < 1262792621 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I figured it out < 1262792623 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Winhugs. < 1262792629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1262792633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell hugs < 1262792650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, couldn't windows 2000 professional do that too? < 1262792656 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently WinHugs even runs on '95. < 1262792664 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, but I was rebutting your HIDEOUS LIES that Windows Me was worse! < 1262792675 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to use dynamic programming oh god < 1262792678 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every Windows 95 or above can run Lisp and Haskell and therefore they are good. :P: < 1262792678 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If something runs on ME it probably runs on 95 and 98 < 1262792681 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1262792682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, You weren't woken up every day with a bluescreen < 1262792691 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Me -> 98, yes, but 98 !-> 95. < 1262792702 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98 added quite a few more APIs and also intrinsically tied IE to the system. < 1262792711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, and: I used windows 2.something once < 1262792712 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but most things don't use them < 1262792715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only once < 1262792717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1262792728 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I played with Windows 95 for a few days and quite a lot of stuff works on 98 but not 95. < 1262792731 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most things that would run on ME, that is < 1262792731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was uphill more than all three ways. Even the fourth way was uphill! < 1262792743 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: I wonder if language support for dynamic programming is a good idea. < 1262792760 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like APL? < 1262792765 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1262792767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, get haskell to run on linux 1.0 (linux 0.0.1 is just not worth trying I fear) < 1262792779 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hugs is pretty portable. < 1262792784 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this algorithm is so complex I can't do it < 1262792808 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the efficent ones in the literature are even harder < 1262792830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, okay then, if you get a linux 0.0.1 system to boot in some emulator (probably someone has already done this) then I challenge you to get linux running on it < 1262792832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1262792833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugs* < 1262792840 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no. < 1262792840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :messy typo that < 1262792848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, no? < 1262792872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon, dynamic programming for what? < 1262792899 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows Me: Old school! Play around with the system! THE WORLD IS YOUR OYSTER Windows 2000: More... 2000! Which will win the battle for the retro platform to run Lisp and Haskell on??????????????? < 1262792915 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honorary contender: 98. Like Me, but less crashy. LAME < 1262793116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, there is Windows 95 too. You forgot it in there. < 1262793136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, and the challenger of the week: Windows NT 3.1! < 1262793153 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dishonorary contender: 95. Reasonable UI, well-performing, doesn't crash much, doesn't have IE fudged in. < 1262793157 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who would ever want that? < 1262793171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1262793192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, 2000 doesn't crash either. And isn't really old school < 1262793220 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, parsing < 1262793224 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's a shame it isn't more old school; it would have a better standing in the retro platform to run Lisp and Haskell on contest. < 1262793230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon, parsing what? < 1262793231 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, IT IS MORE 2000 < 1262793235 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural language < 1262793257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, windows NT 3.1 still beats it < 1262793266 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.1 is useless and futzy! < 1262793267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can run of fcking alpha. < 1262793273 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolfram alpha < 1262793273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure 2000 couldn't < 1262793281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon, -_- < 1262793281 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So can NT 4, but both only in server form. < 1262793282 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No UI. < 1262793285 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1262793302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, and MIPS < 1262793315 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mother was a mips. < 1262793371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, as for windows nt server having no UI? really? < 1262793381 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on non-x86, duh. < 1262793391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, so it had on x86? I see < 1262793400 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes... Windows NT is a GUI system... < 1262793450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, what is the source for nt 4 having no GUI on alpha? < 1262793457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I can't find it googling < 1262793472 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a source find one yourself. < 1262793481 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of a source. < 1262793682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, I conclude that without further evidence (of which I can't find any) this is probably a myth < 1262793691 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are wrong. < 1262793766 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, well it seems some version could < 1262793770 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.alphant.com/ant_faq.shtml < 1262793773 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps MIPS had no GUI < 1262793782 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps 4 dropped the gui, with its switching to the 95 gui < 1262793795 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I was misleadd < 1262793797 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mislead < 1262793800 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-86-163.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1262793863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, well I didn't suggest you lied intentionally < 1262793899 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Latest blog article: Mininova limits its activities to Content Distribution service" < 1262793899 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BAM!* That was the sound of Mininova finally being bludgeoned to death. < 1262794016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, which of these sounds most idiomatic: "No other was affected." or "No other were affected." < 1262794027 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specify noun. < 1262794028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you replace noun/nouns with some other word < 1262794034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, "table"/"tables" here < 1262794045 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latter, I guess < 1262794072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it depends on the noun. And I suppose there is no simple set of rules for it :/ < 1262794082 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I didn't say that. < 1262794088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1262794110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry but what did you mean then? < 1262794161 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just couldn't get a feel of the sentence without seeing it in full. < 1262794245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "tables" if there's more than one other table that could be affected < 1262794263 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former doesn't make senes if there's just one. < 1262794277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: it does if there's just one more, I think < 1262794288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you could be clearer and say "The other table was not affected" < 1262794297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there could be due to cascade I guess. hm < 1262794319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah there could have been < 1262794325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both right, and I don't think people are consistent as to which they use < 1262794365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1262794542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from an old MS security bullentin: "RPC over TCP is not intended to be used in hostile environments such as the internet. More robust protocols such as RPC over HTTP are provided for hostile environments." < 1262794554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone else who can spot the error? < 1262794566 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not an error. < 1262794572 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously it means directly over TCP. < 1262794580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, it doesn't say so < 1262794666 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obvious. < 1262794696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, true. But it is still slightly funny < 1262794710 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1262795438 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imhotep < 1262795684 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, #esoteric is eight years old this year. < 1262795690 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well; in December, I think. < 1262795753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it's that young? < 1262795780 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Late 2002. < 1262795786 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not really young. < 1262795814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed it would be older than I was < 1262795841 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When were you born again? < 1262795856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1987 < 1262795869 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC was created in 1988... < 1262795884 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-160-121-207.range86-160.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1262795897 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And linpeople started in 1995, becoming OPN in 1998 and Freenode in 2002. < 1262795915 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously; you thought #esoteric was created in 1987 or earlier...? < 1262795921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, /IRC/ is that young? < 1262795926 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1262795927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort-of assume it's been around forever < 1262795929 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're fucking crazy. < 1262795939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usenet has been, after all < 1262795955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: I'm the sort of person who could plausibly believe that IRC is older than the Web < 1262795955 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usenet was conceived in 1979. < 1262795962 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was publicly established in 1980. < 1262795965 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it is < 1262796002 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By Christmas 1990, Berners-Lee had built all the tools necessary for a working Web: the HyperText Transfer Protocol (HTTP) 0.9, the HyperText Markup Language (HTML), the first Web browser (named WorldWideWeb, which was also a Web editor), the first HTTP server software (later known as CERN httpd), the first web server (http://info.cern.ch), and the first Web pages that described the project itself < 1262796020 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By Christmas 1990, Berners-Lee had built all the tools necessary for a working Web: the HyperText Transfer Protocol (HTTP) 0.9, the HyperText Markup Language (HTML), the first Web browser (named WorldWideWeb, which was also a Web editor), the first HTTP server software (later known as CERN httpd), the first web server (http://info.cern.ch), and the first Web pages that described the project itself < 1262796022 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1262796025 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 1984 Berners-Lee returned to CERN, and considered its problems of information presentation: physicists from around the world needed to share data, and with no common machines and no common presentation software. He wrote a proposal in March 1989 for "a large hypertext database with typed links", but it generated little interest. His boss, Mike Sendall, encouraged Berners-Lee to begin implementing his system on a newly acquired NeXT < 1262796025 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :workstation. He considered several names, including Information Mesh, The Information Mine (turned down as it abbreviates to TIM, the WWW's creator's name) or Mine of Information (turned down because it abbreviates to MOI which is "Me" in French), but settled on World Wide Web[1]. < 1262796026 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1262796032 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 1984 Berners-Lee returned to CERN, and considered its problems of information presentation: physicists from around the world needed to share data, and with no common machines and no common presentation software. He wrote a proposal in March 1989 for "a large hypertext database with typed links", but it generated little interest. His boss, Mike Sendall, encouraged Berners-Lee to begin implementing his system on a newly acquired NeXT < 1262796033 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :workstation. He considered several names, including Information Mesh, The Information Mine (turned down as it abbreviates to TIM, the WWW's creator's name) or Mine of Information (turned down because it abbreviates to MOI which is "Me" in French), but settled on World Wide Web[1]. < 1262796036 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC itself was created in 1988, I thought < 1262796037 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1262796039 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1262796043 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffff < 1262796046 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On August 6, 1991, Berners-Lee posted a short summary of the World Wide Web project on the alt.hypertext newsgroup. This date also marked the debut of the Web as a publicly available service on the Internet. < 1262796049 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1262796052 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1262796053 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that < 1262796080 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you did < 1262796095 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day I'm going to make this thing automatically fetch logs. < 1262796154 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an interesting factoid: #haskell was founded by a ~15 year old. < 1262796177 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...being John Resig, creator of jQuery. < 1262796191 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(15 when it was created, that is.) < 1262796296 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could have been younger, actually: all the wiki says is "late 90s". < 1262796298 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 is for 1999 < 1262796508 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there an Emacs keycombo for kill-buffer-and-detile? < 1262796523 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. C-x k C-x 0 < 1262796527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by default, I think < 1262796532 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*C-x k RET C-x 0 < 1262796534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that sort of thing is a trivial .emacsrc addition < 1262796547 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.emacs < 1262796550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes < 1262796562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell I've been writing too many roguelike bots recently < 1262796564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly not < 1262796570 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1262796580 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1262796587 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. < 1262796590 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1262796597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you've spent hours poking around .nethackrc and .crawlrc then you get used to that naming convention < 1262796628 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... there isn't a single platform where Emacs even remotely follows conventions < 1262796634 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even old-style unix < 1262796645 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the platforms it fit into, if there ever were any, are now long dead < 1262796779 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its conventions are older than the platforms it runs on. < 1262796782 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1262796797 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet#History microsoft used to be part of tiny usenet :-D < 1262796806 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a UUCP link < 1262796831 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, perhaps not the discussion groups, reading the text < 1262796832 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still! < 1262796835 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a small network < 1262796951 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys. < 1262796959 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 28 days to go until 6000 September 1993 < 1262796992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1262796997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a worrying milestone < 1262797023 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's take over the internet and purge it of the infection for 6001. < 1262797027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, the Eternal September is ages ago, and I assumed it was a relatively recent thing compared to the length of time the Internet had been around < 1262797044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the various major protocols of it < 1262797053 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it will be known: That the September of 1993, did then go on for over 16 years, < 1262797077 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally coming to rest, and passing on the torch to February 2010, after 6000 days. < 1262797182 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be nice. < 1262797361 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Window managers that don't let me give keyboard input to one window while still keeping another on top irritate me. < 1262797384 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6000 September 1993??? < 1262797395 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: You know not of what it is? < 1262797399 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I have no clue < 1262797402 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then go back to the sewers! < 1262797405 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like such a child < 1262797413 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: hey i'm kidding < 1262797425 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was BORN two years after the eternal september started < 1262797432 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm, like, 3 minutes old < 1262797445 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok technically one year and eleven months, give or take some days < 1262797449 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1262797460 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :September 6000th < 1262797489 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be the six thousandth of September, nineteen ninety three. < 1262797539 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1262797544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdate is a fun program, all sorts of programs break in all sorts of fun ways when given days of the month above 31 < 1262799979 0 :jpc!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262802526 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Locusts; swarms thereof. < 1262802652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pianos; sailing through the sky. < 1262802847 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ontology; disputing technological oligarchies. < 1262803141 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pheromones; logic through invisibility. < 1262803445 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jackdaws; unto which they must die. < 1262803679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silver; the end. < 1262803687 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gold; THE BEGINNING < 1262803712 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irony; lost on the world. < 1262803725 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poppycock; how absurd. < 1262803755 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heroin; saving the planet from ambushes. < 1262803769 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talisman; opening your direct-interface specimen. < 1262803786 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tasmanian; a deal with the devil. < 1262803794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ravens; perching on a rainbow. < 1262803840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rendering; a ray of sunshine. < 1262803840 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fractal; an image (one type of image is, quoting ehird, a fractal: "Fractal; an image conterningitsulf... STACK OVERFLOW < 1262803849 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I even captured the only-similar raspect!) < 1262803895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imperfection; notably not able. < 1262804117 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tracksuits; what do they bring to the table? < 1262804138 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Food; but that is not suitable. < 1262804166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, you two have come up with a tremendously deep pun between you there < 1262804209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depths; out of them. < 1262804237 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tachyons; a bout of them. < 1262804273 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Klein bottles; faster on the inside. < 1262804286 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262804304 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tapestry; put it on the bin slide. < 1262804342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slides; tape them to your ruler. < 1262804370 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sorry for the IM but im looking for your store were you sell the slave pet's bed" < 1262804411 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rhyming; we've suddenly started this, is this crueler? < 1262804435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disturb; do not move ahead. < 1262804513 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly; I find myself rather dead. < 1262804527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emergency; come out and have a look! < 1262804539 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck; ...you, I'd rather stay and read a book. < 1262804550 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Negative; reading a ... damn. < 1262804565 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Green; the colour of the eggs and ham. < 1262804587 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Splat; the sound of eggs falling. < 1262804637 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB; I hear my mom calling. < 1262804693 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reason; not bought for silver. < 1262804716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1262804740 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listen; I know you told my friend Ilver. < 1262804779 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilver; I 'ardly know her. < 1262804818 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kielder; say orange, it'd be radder. < 1262804823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rhyme; the lack of a reason. < 1262804833 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thyme; museli and treason. < 1262804875 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chilli; way up the ladder. < 1262804926 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1262805102 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KAZAM; BAK OK TIK! < 1262805189 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic; does not stick. < 1262805335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bring; the thin of thick. < 1262805381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verb; the adjective of abjective. < 1262805381 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 or ehird`: In English text do you write "the enter key" or "the Enter key"? < 1262805409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enter the key; third act. < 1262805412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l: the second if I'm being formal < 1262805412 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1262805427 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, thanks, formal indeed here < 1262805428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd quite possibly use the first on IRC, though < 1262805434 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1262805459 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "the arrow keys" would be like that in formal text though? < 1262805466 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the Return key < 1262805470 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean the numberpad one. < 1262805479 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"press Return", though, not "press the Return key". < 1262805485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: the Return key on this keyboard has ENTER written on it < 1262805492 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your keyboard is dumb. < 1262805499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure what effect that has on your theory, which I also believe to be correct < 1262805509 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, same, and for unknown reason my key repeat died -_- < 1262805511 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prods
< 1262805513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it also has ` to the left of the spacebar < 1262805524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also a weird place to put a key < 1262805531 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh synergy still running. < 1262805533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all I know, they put numpad enter the place most people put return < 1262805538 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and focused in the wrong place < 1262805549 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fiddles with Frink to get a nice OS X .app for it
< 1262805576 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so it is the return key then? < 1262805588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Return key < 1262805599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as ehird says, it would just be "press Return" if you wanted someone to press it < 1262805610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "the Return key" if you were trying to describe, say, where it was or what colour it was < 1262805612 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1262805629 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now ended up with "press Return to return to the main menu" < 1262805637 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which looks rather out of place in a formal text < 1262805653 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"press Return to exit to the main menu" < 1262805663 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to return to the main menu, press Return" < 1262805677 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing we don't have an exit key ;P < 1262805695 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter works better I think < 1262805696 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1262805770 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e beardseconds -> pi nanometers < 1262805770 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.3262798971613254367 < 1262805772 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Frink < 1262805793 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, the pinanometers. Who would use any other unit of llength apart from the beardsecond? < 1262805898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you use for volume? parsec-barns? < 1262805918 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsec barn < 1262805918 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.0856775813057289536e-12 m^3 (volume) < 1262805919 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not. < 1262805952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's rather small, lightyear-barns might work better < 1262806000 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(100 lightyear) barn < 1262806000 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5912956545363/62500000000000000000000 (exactly 9.4607304725808e-11) m^3 (volume) < 1262806021 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1262806025 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like "light century" works < 1262806034 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no < 1262806036 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1262806042 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION promptly does lightcentury := 100 lightyears
< 1262806063 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://futureboy.us/frinkdata/units.txt ;; take a look at how many units frink comes with... < 1262806099 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pianometers < 1262806175 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(four score + seven) days < 1262806175 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7516800 s (time) < 1262806358 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The beardsecond, you say? < 1262807030 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do say. < 1262807059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hertz per dioptre! < 1262807668 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in English, what are the rules for capital letters in headings? < 1262807686 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a lab report or such < 1262807689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all words capital except very common ones < 1262807701 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plaster them Everywhere Except on Pronouns < 1262807702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the" "and" "a" are likely to not need initial capital letters < 1262807707 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :D < 1262807716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"of" also takes a lowercase < 1262807717 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "and" "or"? < 1262807722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lowercase < 1262807732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, pretty much any word that's interesting is initcaps < 1262807750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :words needed just for grammatical correctness, or things like "and" and "or" that structure the sentence, are lowercase < 1262807752 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l: title case is shit < 1262807755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't put a full stop at the end < 1262807756 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use sentence case. < 1262807758 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, it is hard to remember < 1262807763 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just looks ugly < 1262807765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Student Dies of boredom < 1262807781 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like You're Some Sort of Shit-Peddler in the 1800s Marketing Your Shit < 1262807793 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boy-Wonder Coca-Cola Drinker! < 1262807797 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: Except that that had easy-to-remember rules. < 1262807798 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Astoundment of a Nation" < 1262807817 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about "The use of the word "and" in middle English" < 1262807820 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, one would only capitalise Nouns, for such was the Rule of the Age. < 1262807821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1262807822 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you caps that title < 1262807822 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1262807834 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l: The Use of the Word "And" in Middle English < 1262807837 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(remove the outer quotes first) < 1262807837 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Use of the Word "And" in Middle English < 1262807840 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively: < 1262807841 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1262807843 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1262807845 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The use of the word "and" in Middle English < 1262807852 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh snap, I just injected some sanity < 1262807872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :journal article titles tend to be sentence-case < 1262807877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some newer book titles, too < 1262807885 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And and Or or Then, then. < 1262807886 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and what about lab reports? < 1262807890 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redrawerredrawers. < 1262807899 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Real actual wordism.) < 1262807902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l: also sentence case, I expect < 1262807910 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: redrum < 1262807919 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I have to say that you forgot that you could insert a "that that" there. < 1262807924 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm < 1262807929 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redrawerredrawers is a word, which delights me. I wish redlorryellowlorry was too. < 1262807937 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in headings I meant < 1262807951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: two ys? < 1262807962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the rules are a *tiny* bit hard, because they vary from style guide to style guide (re: title case) < 1262807975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgo that that that that forgot < 1262807985 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "redrawers", it ends with. < 1262807992 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could be re-drawers, but I read it as red drawers. < 1262807995 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Red drawer red drawers. < 1262808020 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, I think he meant "red lorry yellow" < 1262808023 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also the real longest word you can type with just one hand with QWERTY. < 1262808028 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the place with the two ys < 1262808038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was almost certainly coined for logologists to enjoy < 1262808061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logologists, lol < 1262808080 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FD 10 < 1262808082 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RT 90 < 1262808086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I can type anything, such as this comment, with one hand, if I could type it with two; it just takes longer < 1262808094 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redrawerredrawers <-- how does it parse: "re-drawer re-drawers"? Or "red drawers re-drawers"? < 1262808102 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or one of the two remaining ways < 1262808104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barring, possibly, things that need stupid modifier-key combinations < 1262808125 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re-drawer red-drawers or re-drawer re-drawers < 1262808125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :red rawer redrawers < 1262808154 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jm < 1262808158 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, shut up < 1262808167 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l: it's an entirely separate word < 1262808168 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm* < 1262808169 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't parse any way < 1262808173 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot about a d there < 1262808177 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262808177 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, well what does it *mean* < 1262808192 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1262808199 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be a wordlist error for reddrawer\nreddrawers < 1262808204 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1262808216 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*redrawer < 1262808227 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% grep '^redrawer' /usr/share/dict/words < 1262808227 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :redrawer < 1262808227 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :redrawerredrawers < 1262808227 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :redrawers < 1262808229 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :redwarfs < 1262808233 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Slashdot < 1262808236 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, a bug < 1262808240 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :devertebrated it is, then < 1262808249 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or tesseradecade < 1262808255 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or aftercataract < 1262808290 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, not listed like that in mine < 1262808294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the whole "'typewriter' on the top row" thing, I wonder if that's coincidence or deliberate? < 1262808296 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what system had the bug < 1262808312 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is that "thing"? < 1262808320 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://icon.shef.ac.uk/Moby/ < 1262808325 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moby wordlist has the bug, so probably a copy of it < 1262808352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l: "typewriter" can be typed using just the top row of letters on a QWERTY keyboard < 1262808368 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird you're getting a lot of data right now, why? < 1262808373 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw how do you write acronyms in plural? < 1262808383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, "acronyms"? < 1262808387 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, example here is (yes I dislike this module -_-): DBMS < 1262808395 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for "database management system" < 1262808400 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DBMSs < 1262808402 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSs < 1262808404 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RDBMSs < 1262808406 0 :Sgeo__!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262808407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l: the formal grammar books say to use apostrophe-s, as in DBMS's, but nobody does that < 1262808408 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TLAs < 1262808415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lowercase s after capital letters is used by everyone in practice < 1262808418 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah when is the :s for? < 1262808421 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that aggravates me < 1262808428 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"80's", especially, makes me rage < 1262808434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly because 's for plurals is obviously wrong, despite being recommended in this particular case < 1262808436 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't need more fucking exceptions in the fucking language! < 1262808450 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aggravates, that's another < 1262808452 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english style guides are bullshit anyway < 1262808461 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :serving only idiots in ivory towers who think they define the language < 1262808473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: Depends on the style guide, actually. < 1262808490 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the extant style guides are "The style that will be used for this particular publication". < 1262808502 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but that's just controlfreakism < 1262808511 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(those are at least vaguely reasonable in concept) < 1262808513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, grocers' apostrophe's are just annoying and typoy and bad grammar < 1262808523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even worse when a grammar book requires them in certain cases! < 1262808555 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's painful. < 1262808559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the grammar books also advise pluralising individual letters with 's, as in "there are six e's in this sentence" < 1262808562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1262808570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's more excusable, because there's no obvious right way to do that) < 1262808580 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are six Es in this sentence. < 1262808587 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are six "e"s in this sentence. < 1262808591 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are six 'e's in this sentence. < 1262808596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I like your second example < 1262808601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably better than the other two < 1262808614 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, the third seems nicer; double quotes seem too bulky for such a simple quotation. < 1262808624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 's looks out of place there < 1262808627 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What we need is Joy/Factor-style quotaations in English, obviously. < 1262808629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would work better with smart quotes < 1262808632 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are six [e]s in this sentence. < 1262808641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are six «e»s in this sentence < 1262808654 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said that [she said that [I must die]]. < 1262808658 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : still, grocers' apostrophe's are just annoying and typoy and bad grammar <-- why is it called that < 1262808693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l: because allegedly, grocers used to use them a lot < 1262808694 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are six 「e」s in this sentence. < 1262808698 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese attack! < 1262808718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even nowadays, you can walk past a greengrocer's stall and see them advertising carrot's and potatoe's, sometimes < 1262808733 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how good WebNet's definitions are
< 1262808733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think they do it deliberately nowadays because people expect it, not because they think it's right < 1262808752 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: Ah, Japanese punctuation. < 1262808753 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have much. < 1262808785 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are suggesting usage of "'s" should be consistent then may I recommend dropping "it's" < 1262808791 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and making "its" into "it's" < 1262808806 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for consistency you understand < 1262808828 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would have to write out "it is" I guess, but that is a small price to pay for consistency < 1262808839 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its/it's is perfectly consistent. < 1262808850 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you disagree, you do not understand their expansions (well, only the latter has an expansion). < 1262808869 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's -> it is. its -> his/her for objects. < 1262808880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's" is consistent, you'd expect "its" to also be spelt "it's" though < 1262808890 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1262808890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were trying to make it consistent with nouns rather than pronouns < 1262808896 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't say "she's wardrobe". < 1262808900 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say "her wardrobe". < 1262808907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, because pronouns don't follow rules at all < 1262808933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally, I consider pronouns to be inconsistent-but-there's-nothing-you-can-do-about-it < 1262808945 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not inconsistent -- they're arbitrary. < 1262808948 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes old-"it's" is consistent with "don't" and so on < 1262808957 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but making both the same would cause confusion < 1262808975 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possessive[she] = her < 1262808987 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possessive[him] = his < 1262808992 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possessive[it] = its < 1262808993 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, I -> my too < 1262808998 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1262809002 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not inconsistent at all. < 1262809007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lewis Carrol used to punctuate "shan't" as "sha'n't" < 1262809033 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, well it would be _more_ consistent if you did the same transformation on all of them < 1262809045 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arbitrary is not inconsistent. < 1262809052 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is certainly no inconsistency with its/it's. < 1262809062 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, well okay, there isn't any rule for it to be consistent with. Since all of them are different < 1262809155 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1262809170 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, but it is inconsistent with the nouns < 1262809181 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the cat's ball of yarn" "its ball of yarn" < 1262809200 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1262809203 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1262809228 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then "ehird's pet" but "your pet" and you would say "my pet" < 1262809236 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no consistency there < 1262809254 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no order in the chaos that is the English language :/ < 1262809255 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1262809352 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1262809395 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm why are the usb ports so close to each other on a laptop. There are three next to each other. And they are turned vertically < 1262809418 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be able to get hold of the middle one to pull it out without pulling out the outer ones is almost impossible < 1262809427 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ < 1262809451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l: why would you expect me to know? < 1262809467 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why wouldn't you? < 1262809493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`: help < 1262809518 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you don't: cya, will be back in an hour or so < 1262809674 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1262809959 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: back < 1262809963 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yow, that was a bad one < 1262809975 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... anmaster_l is like the opposite of a solipsist < 1262809978 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1262809983 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows everything except him < 1262810024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good thing everyone else in the office has gone home, I'm laughing so loud at seeing your reaction... < 1262810039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a perfectly appropriate one, of course < 1262810066 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.68.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262810070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1262810161 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1262811359 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, you claim you know everything? Whoa! Is the Riemann hypothesis true? < 1262811376 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^ a whoosh of epic proportions < 1262811384 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, no. < 1262811388 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was joking < 1262811388 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Riemann hypothesis is a trivial consequence of algebraic geometry < 1262811391 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being silly < 1262811396 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l: yes, but your joke was based on a misinterpretation < 1262811400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word "whoosh" is losing its original meaning < 1262811401 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not even jokingly claiming that I knew everything < 1262811405 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't even make sense < 1262811408 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, on *intentional* misinterpretation < 1262811421 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you could say the air has gone out of that balloon < 1262811421 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l: You fuck horses? Whoa! I'm calling the police! < 1262811428 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("misinterpretation" looks a lot like "horse" to ME.) < 1262811435 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Riemann hypothesis is a trivial consequence of algebraic geometry <- wait what? < 1262811443 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1262811447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l: soupdragon's trolling you < 1262811465 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no I think he is just stupid. < 1262811477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that the atmosphere in this channel is one such that the regulars can subtly troll each other for months on end, I wouldn't be too surprised < 1262811483 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can someone that mentions algebraic geometry be stupid? < 1262811501 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon isn't stupid < 1262811508 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you confusing him with nooga, who *is* stupid? < 1262811511 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you just being an asshole < 1262811516 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well confused about which one the Riemann hypothesis is then < 1262811528 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l: NO!! I WAS JOKING! WAAH! < 1262811536 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well,* < 1262811536 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're such an idiot you don't get jok-- oh, the irony. < 1262811557 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta be one to know one. Or however that thingymagic goes. < 1262811599 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird`, slept badly recently? < 1262811612 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtract 1 from noone. < 1262811630 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, are all you seriously thinking " ais523, why wouldn't you?" was actually meant *seriously* < 1262811636 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how whenever I insult anmaster_l he comes up with something really insipid and dull like "omg you're not sleeping well" < 1262811644 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What an idiotic reposte < 1262811651 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l: Let me spell this out for you. < 1262811665 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You make a "joke", I make a comment about it. Cue you: "YOU MISSED MY JOKE" < 1262811679 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soupdragon makes a humourous statement, close enough to a joke. < 1262811680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l: it was just simply unanswerable, and not particularly a useful comment < 1262811683 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else even states this is a joke. < 1262811688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was unanswerable, I didn't answer it < 1262811690 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you go "well i tink dey're just stupid" < 1262811707 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, this is ironic because you accuse others of not getting jokes while simultaneously failing to get them yourself. < 1262811723 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I don't call you stupid when you make a shitty oneliner. < 1262811732 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joker has become the joké < 1262811749 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_l: please stop telling jokes. it only encourages ehird` < 1262811762 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah and he is worse at it than me even. :) < 1262811767 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please stop breathing. It only encourages the breathing fairy. < 1262811814 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird you are men < 1262811817 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the breathing fairy is fine except when you get coins stuck in your throat < 1262811818 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird you are being mean < 1262811824 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am multiple men? < 1262811827 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astonishing. < 1262811849 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: i'm already past the point of no return wrt anmaster_l, don't really give half a shit about him any more < 1262811858 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, best way is to ignore him for a bit I guess. Was a while ago that last happened < 1262811889 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please do, then the only idiocy you'll say relating to me will be about how you can't understand the channel without my messages < 1262811896 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's so annoying to only see half of every conversation! < 1262811900 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there. Done. That way he can't troll me for a while < 1262811906 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that *is* true. < 1262811908 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be nice if you could keep it up for more than five seconds, but, you know. < 1262811910 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much to ask. < 1262811927 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, thus I guess I should strive for the goal of getting him to ignore me instead < 1262811961 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol I just don't think you think you think you can could or wouldn't have not unless it was set up such that with what would anyway < 1262811967 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not idiotic enough to fragment the channel like that. If I couldn't stand hearing you, I'd just /part. < 1262811986 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: Has anyone ever been as far etc. < 1262811992 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1262812010 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i of ever in away whether in so case of grammar < 1262812019 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :D < 1262812021 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I drunk? < 1262812036 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's not even that I haven't lacked without which to correctly layout the words! < 1262812039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drunk with POWER < 1262812094 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, beware of AC power. it hertz! < 1262812126 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1262812148 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost as bad as a splitting head ache < 1262812172 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, splitting your head certainly aches < 1262812298 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternating current power. < 1262812310 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternating current power voltage charge! < 1262812418 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Entirely adverb adjective noun sentence! < 1262812425 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262812448 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interjection! < 1262812479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit i was typing with focus into tatham's puzzles < 1262812545 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Negative interjection; noun! Other person negative knowledge identity noun! < 1262812552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reset it completely, and you cannot undo past "n" after typing anything else :( < 1262813230 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1262813533 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1262814165 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I will do freaking anything for a new router." < 1262814319 0 :ehird`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1262814323 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.68.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262814776 0 :jpc!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262815924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[when ken and i described the new features we were proposing for plan 9 C, including inherited structure elements, to bjarne stroustrup, he said, "if you want C++ you know where to find it." and stormed from the room.]] —Rob Pike < 1262815949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's a /stroustrup/ quote? < 1262815956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it becomes 10 times more awesome given that context < 1262815971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 11 < 1262815991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man... Plan 9 C is so much better than C++... < 1262816001 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite get it. Stroustrup is the inventor of C++, right? < 1262816008 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1262816010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: that's why it's funny < 1262816036 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he felt that they were reinventing C++ basically < 1262816060 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my sense of humor is dead < 1262816064 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they didn't add the unparsable feature to C, so. < 1262816265 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1262816358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the image of stroustrup being in the same room as rob pike and ken thompson < 1262816382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his face just getting redder and redder as they talk about the features they're going to add that sound like c++ features to him < 1262816524 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know who Rob Pike and Ken Thompson are < 1262816550 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB < 1262816551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: You may know them for such things as "UNIX" and "C". < 1262816587 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1262816611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ken Thompson more-so than Rob Pike. < 1262816657 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1262816781 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rob Pike and Ken Thompson are also responsible for Go. < 1262817227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rob pike did later editions of unix + major part of plan 9 + go < 1262817235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rob pike had nothing to do with c whatsoever < 1262817239 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1262817245 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinko, I guess? < 1262817284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you just meant ken < 1262818930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/amc72/since_then_c_has_evolved_considerably_it_has_even/c0ibtge?context=4 < 1262818937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mind boggles < 1262818953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to stab him. < 1262819024 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming and management are so radically different... Argh. < 1262819035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I should note that in both cases, I mean "doing them well") < 1262819048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing them poorly can, of course, be done by any shmuck. < 1262819058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone who says "If I were to pursue it, I would be great at the job. I'm very driven, and I excel at nearly everything I do" is essentially degrading every profession in existence < 1262819069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1262819073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by saying that it takes less than a lifetime < 1262819098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone who says it, therefore, is probably shit at everything and a narcissist to boot < 1262819103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. < 1262819217 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most definitely a narcissist, probably shit at everything. < 1262819245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you so fucking much microsoft, because i activated my LEGIT copy of windows xp five times < 1262819253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you force me to either phone you up and deal with your BULLSHIT < 1262819260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just download a serial < 1262819263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess which one i chose, microsoft < 1262819321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1262819537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION names his VM "Q"
< 1262819542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whyever not? < 1262819555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can YOU think of a better hostname than Q? Huh? HUH? < 1262820365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck fuck FUCK < 1262820367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my imac display is fucking up < 1262820378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have alternating lines of light/dark, very subtle but i can see them in window shadows < 1262820390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the blue colour used in white/blue alternations around the ui has gone off < 1262820469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and the bands are only intermittent it seems, ffff < 1262821187 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you bought a copy of XP just for the VM? < 1262821199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever gave you that impression? < 1262821249 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said it was a legit copy < 1262821265 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's supposed to be one copy per system < 1262821265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's inconceivable that I have a legit copy of XP that is years old. < 1262821275 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An unused legit copy? < 1262821276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure that's a new thing < 1262821424 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is sometimes scared that he might not be a good programmer
< 1262821553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You aren't! (I am such a bastard.) < 1262821606 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION expected something along those lines from ehird
< 1262821636 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course, I can't talk to classmates about this, because in their eyes, I'm superprogrammer. I think it says more about them than it does me < 1262821699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you improved your programming skills since PSOX? < 1262821708 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1262821728 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1262821733 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only major project I've really worked on since PSOX I was fired from due to procrastination issues < 1262821756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, using business terms like "fired" to apply to non-business projects is really dumb. < 1262821763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will infect your mind. < 1262821809 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm no longer part of the project in the capacity of a programmer, although if I learn C#, I can contribute again < 1262821835 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1262821877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't learn c#. < 1262821930 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can fake knowing C# < 1262821940 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit late for that, I know the basics, I think < 1262821948 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is C# so horrible? < 1262821969 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) it's controlled by Microsoft b) there are no quality open implementations < 1262821976 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the two issues, while related, are not the same) < 1262821978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Uhh, Mono is pretty quality. < 1262821982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, here are the eral reasons: < 1262821986 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: For the subset it implements, yes < 1262821991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- It's just Java + lambdas + LINQ < 1262821997 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1262821997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LINQ is basically just Haskell Lite < 1262822004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambdas are just... lambdas < 1262822008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Java is, ugh, Java. < 1262822011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*real < 1262822013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Microsoft < 1262822018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- It's not fun at all! < 1262822019 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if the new programmer knows anything about LINQ < 1262822033 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone with a quote mark in their name showed up unexpectedly and it caused an SQL error < 1262822040 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not kidding about faking your name btw < 1262822047 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*faking C# knowledge < 1262822060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: why are you always so tied to utter shit < 1262822071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that asylum guy and this < 1262822087 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# isn't utter shit; it's juts unexciting < 1262822090 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just < 1262822097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'm not talking about C# < 1262822099 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1262822108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:53] Sgeo_: I'm not sure if the new programmer knows anything about LINQ < 1262822108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:53] Sgeo_: Someone with a quote mark in their name showed up unexpectedly and it caused an SQL error < 1262822115 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and this guy plans to use multi-threading with an SDK that doesn't really co-operate well with multi-t.. no, wait, he plans to start that way, and then switch to single-threading < 1262822124 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it's a pre-pre-alpha thing currently < 1262822128 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thedailywtf.com wants your story < 1262822131 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the fact that even then.. < 1262822136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Seriously, you should make a conscious effort to avoid anyone this retarded. < 1262822143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All they can do is make you dumber. < 1262822148 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting with X and switching to Y later is always bad < 1262822152 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just start with Y < 1262822158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol@multi→single threading though < 1262822169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's write all this complex infrastructure for performance gains... and then remove the performance gains! < 1262822173 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that's not entirely true < 1262822188 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He says he usually makes an effort to make everything organized, but this time he just wants results quickly < 1262822201 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't blame him for that, considering that my failure to provide results was problematic < 1262822205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/cUUbt.png < 1262822205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAH GOD AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH < 1262822222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: did you care about the project? < 1262822228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you find working on it fun? < 1262822232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you getting paid for doing this? < 1262822236 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not getting paid < 1262822242 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I liked the project < 1262822252 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I kept getting distracted by things, like Stargate SG-1 < 1262822262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if A is *very, VERY high* then work. otherwise, if C is high then work. otherwise, if B is high then work. < 1262822265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, don't work. < 1262822277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume A isn't *very, VERY high* for you, i.e. you don't care about it more than, say, water. < 1262822286 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wrong < 1262822294 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A is very high for me < 1262822306 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a futuristic remake of a game that holds a lot of nostalgic value for me < 1262822311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not very, *very* high. I mean the amount Eliezer Yudkowsky cares about the singularity. < 1262822329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think EY would kill himself if it'd cause the singularity. < 1262822334 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are allowed to do X and switch to Y later as long as you keep the switch under an hour's work < 1262822348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you're not getting paid anything at all. < 1262822351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the final question is... < 1262822353 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only to construct another component < 1262822354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you find working on it fun? < 1262822375 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not fun as much as interesting < 1262822392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely thought EY believed in staying alive at all costs...
< 1262822394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly not fun enough to make you actually do it, if you found watching Stargate more fun.