00:00:43 dumb? 00:00:56 do you mean unrealistic or just stupid? 00:01:58 -!- ehird has quit. 00:05:22 -!- anmaster_l has quit ("Leaving"). 00:07:18 -!- ehird has joined. 00:07:38 :( 00:07:41 soupdragon: lemme get a link for you 00:09:34 http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddv7939q_20gw8h9pcx 00:09:40 great singularity scifi 00:09:52 by steve yegge (yes, that steve yegge) 00:10:19 huh 00:10:23 okay thanks 00:10:30 I'll read it after rainbows end 00:10:50 yeah I think I enjoyed some of yegges blog 00:10:52 not sure 00:10:58 it's nothing like his blog, anyway 00:11:04 guy should become an author 00:11:13 also most people think the singularity is stupid/unrealistic/harmful/whatever, it's just an intuitively wrong-seeming concept 00:11:27 that's what you get for abnormal thought :P 00:12:15 Baconnaise. 00:12:51 Gregor: bacon + anything non-bacon is inferior to solely bacon 00:12:57 it's like you're diluting the bacon with an inferior concept 00:13:07 Baconnaise actually contains no bacon :P 00:13:09 the same goes for chocolate, which makes bacon chocolate the only exception 00:13:16 I agree with ehird on this for mayonnaise 00:13:25 Gregor, it exists? 00:13:27 Yes. 00:13:31 and if you want chocolate bacon, well 00:13:32 http://www.vosgeschocolate.com/category/bacon_and_chocolate 00:13:34 go buy some 00:13:34 I am eating a turkey sandwich made with it /right now/. 00:13:45 ehird, also garlic. This baconchocolategarlic is also allowed 00:13:45 I want Pthing to say 00:13:49 Pthing say!! 00:13:50 I've never actually had mayonnaise. True facts. 00:14:10 AnMaster: No, baconchocolategarlic would just be awful. 00:14:16 ehird: You either don't eat sandwiches, or use "sandwich spread" 00:14:22 ehird, anyway nougat (of the right type, there are several unrelated things called nougat) > chocolate 00:14:25 Gregor: Or am a being of pure energy. 00:14:34 These are the three realistic options. 00:14:37 say what 00:14:37 ehird: Which would imply the former. 00:14:58 ehird, I mean this type of nougat: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fil:Nougat_sweets.jpg 00:14:59 Gregor: Maybe I absorb sandwiches but it strips all the mayonnaise out due to a computer glitch. 00:15:09 ehird, not this type: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nougat.jpg 00:15:27 Nougat is nice but chocolate > nougat. 00:15:31 By far. 00:15:49 ehird, I disagree. Also the second one doesn't look like nougat at all 00:15:51 Controversial statement: 00:15:54 ehird, what about white chocolate? 00:15:56 Vanilla > Chocolate 00:16:00 White chocolate is a lie. 00:16:03 And all who like it must die. 00:16:10 White chocolate isn't bad... it's just not chocolate. 00:16:15 ehird, agreed 00:16:18 Vanilla is a nice taste. 00:16:20 it is nice, but not chocolate 00:16:22 I think it's about equal to chocolate. 00:16:25 Different situations. 00:16:33 Vanilla is so underappreciated, though. 00:16:38 Gregor, depends. If it is fresh and not dried 00:16:40 it is wonderful 00:16:48 that's hellishly expensive though 00:16:49 had it once 00:16:52 We're talking about flavours, not the source materials 00:16:55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_flying_saucer 00:16:55 really really wonderful 00:17:00 The British Rail flying saucer, officially known simply as space vehicle, was a proposed spacecraft designed by Charles Osmond Frederick. A patent application was filed by Jensen and Son on behalf of British Rail on 11 December 1970 and granted on 21 March 1973.[1][2][3] The flying saucer originally started as a proposal for a raiseable platform. However, the project was revised and edited, and by the time the patent 00:17:00 was filed had become a large passenger craft for interplanetary travel.[4] 00:17:05 ehird, yeah but I meant for home made vanilla icecream 00:17:50 Gregor, home made vanilla icecream on *fresh* vanilla pods is wonderful 00:17:55 Raisable platform -> INTERPLANETARY TRAVEL 00:18:08 Getting into space is just raising the platform really, really high, right? 00:18:20 And if you can go upwards you can go leftwards and rightwards and forwards. 00:18:22 Tada. 00:18:34 hah 00:18:46 Honestly, NASA should just take consumer jets and fly them directly upwards. 00:18:53 How hard can it be? 00:19:58 ehird, well, it won't work 00:20:09 * ehird punches AnMaster 00:20:12 I can't hear you. 00:20:16 Why are you hitting yourself? 00:20:16 ehird, because they need air at high pressure, it won't work above a certain altitude 00:20:20 * ehird punches AnMaster 00:20:22 Stop hitting yourself. 00:20:26 * ehird puts fingers in ears 00:20:28 you need ramjets for high altitudes 00:20:30 LA LA LA LA LA 00:20:32 or scramjets 00:20:42 I CAN'T HEAR YOU 00:20:44 like SR-71 Blackbird, had a ramjet 00:20:58 ehird, and stop being silly. 00:21:05 I know you are but what am I? 00:21:17 laaaaaaaaaaawl 00:21:33 Okay, I've gotta stop now before I have to commit seppuku. 00:21:38 anyway the principle behind a jet engine is very interesting I find. 00:22:52 and even ramjets will only take you so far. At some point you need a rocket engine (or a space elevator, or space bolas or whatever... but a jet engine just won't cut it). 00:23:16 also, to actually go straight up would require a lot more power 00:23:33 I like to imagine space elevators are exactly as Roald Dahl imagined. 00:23:42 ehird, XD 00:23:43 Just press floor "Mars". 00:24:11 Up and Out 00:24:29 "Up and Out" gets you into the glorious Earth air. 00:24:32 the engines of a 747 would be unable to lift a 747 *straight up* 00:24:37 "Really Up and Really Out", however... 00:24:54 since you get no lift from wings then. which is why a 747 still files normally 00:25:45 (note, this is simplified, it ignores drag, lift from the body itself and several other details) 00:26:32 (though for a 747 the lift from the body (or fuselage as is the technical term), would be very small compared to that generated by the wings) 00:26:44 All we need is augur to talk about linguistics and all two-way conversation will finally die. 00:26:53 ehird, :D 00:27:07 im busy DOING linguistics 00:27:07 so 00:27:17 In the sexual sense or the academic sense? 00:27:20 DON'T ANSWER 00:27:28 lol 00:27:44 ehird, what, is "doing linguistics" innuendo? 00:27:48 I can't imagine how 00:28:13 do, v. see have sexual intercourse with. 00:28:18 ouch right 00:28:31 Ouch? You might want to go and see a doctor about that. 00:28:50 ehird, "ouch that I didn't spot that, since I knew about that meaning" 00:28:56 Whoosh. 00:29:12 ehird, no it wasn't a joke. 00:29:55 ehird, also: time for ethernet over firewire 00:30:00 ? 00:30:04 going to try it with the new firewire stack in linux kernel 00:30:20 wish me best of luck: "(EXPERIMENTAL)" 00:30:31 And with that, he died. 00:30:41 not yet 00:30:46 I'm locating the cable 00:30:54 Gone but... uh, and forgotten. 00:31:14 ehird, it would be kernel oops at worst 00:31:32 Unless it hit a hardware bug that caused it to catch on fire, thus causing e.g. your PSU to explode. 00:31:36 ehird, in an academic sense :P 00:32:00 "Kernel oops; three fatalities." 00:32:05 Aww, I thought AnMaster said that, not augur. 00:32:09 Which made it funnier. 00:32:24 what 00:32:28 heheh 00:33:01 ehird, what would it have meant if I had said it. It doesn't seem to make sense there. 00:33:19 Well, like how in functional programming we model both errors and non-termination as one value, _|_. 00:33:41 So, you'd be saying that academically, hardware catching on fire thus making your CPU explode would be considered a kernel oops. 00:33:49 Thus "Kernel oops; three fatalities.", and now the frog is dead. 00:34:00 ehird, haha 00:34:16 ("Explaining a joke is like dissecting a frog: you understand it better, but the frog dies in the process." —Mark Twain) 00:34:49 ehird, also in that case both should be considered failure modes. No difference should be made between a program returning the error code 1 and the system exploding 00:34:58 they are just failure modes 00:35:15 "Error: Something went wrong. Are you on fire? [Y/n] " 00:35:19 if yes → 00:35:27 "Oh dear. Something went badly wrong." 00:35:29 if no → 00:35:37 "Alright then. You can reboot now." 00:35:57 ehird, what if you aren't on fire yet but the desk is? 00:36:02 well yeah no difference 00:36:06 No issue! 00:36:06 you can just reboot then 00:36:15 Yes. 00:45:33 * ehird plays some dna maze 00:45:41 ehird, it is working btw :) 00:45:54 Yay. 00:45:58 ehird, btw image editors creating *~ files 00:46:02 what is your opinion on it? 00:46:32 Creating *~ files in general is irritating. 00:46:38 Put it in some other directory. 00:46:41 ehird, and for image editors? 00:46:47 that create 40 MB *~ files 00:46:57 Put it in ~/.imged/autosaves/somemangleldpath 00:47:00 *somemangledpath 00:47:08 (due to you editing large files of course) 00:47:17 ehird, issue, doesn't work well over different file systems 00:47:27 since before it could just move the old file and write a new 00:47:31 now it needs to copy it in theory 00:47:36 Meh. 00:47:38 Work out some solution. 00:47:44 But don't put it in the same directory. 00:47:45 ehird, which is irritating for 40 MB files 00:47:54 ehird, well, "don't create *~" is my idea 00:48:05 That's risky. 00:48:05 just remove it once you synced the new file to disk 00:48:13 ehird, remove it after the new file is fully written 00:48:26 this wallpaper background is nice and soothing 00:48:31 it's like i'm using ubuntu without the ugly 00:48:45 mhm? screenshot? 00:49:21 Uploading. 00:50:22 Ugh, imgur compressed it for being too big. 00:50:28 All image hosts eventually suck exactly the same... 00:50:39 * ehird goes for trusty old xs.to 00:51:05 ehird, filebin.ca? 00:51:13 That would force a download. 00:51:21 ehird, well I would just gimp on the url 00:51:43 ffffff it did the same 00:51:45 fine, filebin 00:51:58 Do you want the wallpaper or a screenshot with it, btw? 00:52:09 If the former I could just link you 00:53:03 http://filebin.ca/tonxzc/Picture1.png 00:53:14 AnMaster: 00:53:36 ffs. it stopped working once it got hit with a large transfer 00:54:07 ehird, how large is the file? 00:54:12 ehird, also either is file 00:54:14 fine* 00:54:43 The file is just 2 megs or so 00:54:45 It's a screenshot 00:54:54 ehird, it looks noisy? 00:54:58 That's an intentional effect 00:55:02 Only on the background 00:55:03 ah 00:55:38 Here's a link if you want it: 00:55:51 http://lambda.nirv.net/m/files/Love.png 00:55:53 ehird, I don't really 00:56:00 TOUGH :P 00:57:00 http://lambda.nirv.net/m/screenshots/20091201.png Here's a wonderful screenshot of Emacs + chocolate-rain-theme + that background 00:57:09 (I use both now, because darn they're pretty.) 00:58:30 ehird, also that bg is an awkward size 00:58:43 It is not. 00:58:45 16:10 00:59:26 ehird, I said size, not aspect ratio 00:59:37 What's awkward about it 00:59:42 It's big enough for most monitors 00:59:46 Your DE can scale the background for you 01:00:12 ehird, wait aren't macs 16:9? 01:00:23 The new iMac is 16:9. 01:00:39 All other Macs and Apple Displays, plus old iMac models, are 16:10. 01:00:44 (That is, after they were 4:3.) 01:01:21 ehird, long live 5:4 01:01:25 (it exists) 01:01:30 No, let's not. 01:01:35 Long live 3:4 or something. 01:01:43 ehird, long life 1:1 01:01:46 live* 01:01:52 That won't look square. 01:02:00 ehird, what? 01:02:11 AnMaster: Seriously; make an NxN square in your favourite image program. 01:02:20 Note how it does not appear to be a perfectly measured bastion of wholeness. 01:02:24 yes, made a 32x32 one 01:02:26 In fact, it seems inequal. 01:02:27 AnMaster: Bigger. 01:02:29 Try 100x100. 01:02:35 Up to 500x500 01:03:03 100x100 looks square at least 01:03:07 * AnMaster tries 500x500 01:03:21 Yes, but don't analyse it like that. 01:03:28 Just look at it and note it seems to be fatter than it is tall 01:03:28 looks square 01:03:33 Meh 01:03:37 ehird, no it looks taller than fatter 01:03:39 at a glance 01:03:42 Okay then 01:03:44 The other way around then :P 01:03:49 See what I mean? 01:03:54 ehird, for some sizes 01:04:00 for some it is fatter than taller 01:04:06 ^_^ 01:04:21 ehird, anyway how to make something that looks square... 4:3 does not 01:04:36 Don't bother, human vision isn't square 01:05:08 ehird, how then can we even have a concept of "looking square"? 01:05:16 Either optimise for A? (hey, fizzieuniversity :P) sort of dimensions for text, or optimise for widescreen for useful computing workspace. 01:05:23 AnMaster: ??? 01:05:31 We see "square pixels", as nonsensical a concept as that is 01:05:38 Our whole vision just is rectangular... sort of. 01:05:45 Point is, vision is obviously widescreen 01:05:58 ehird, I heard someone suggest that hexagonal pixels would be better 01:06:03 lol 01:06:18 ehird, as in a serious scientist interviewed in radio 01:06:23 Could be fun 01:06:32 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:06:40 ehird, he talked about how it could better represent photos 01:06:45 for shape 01:07:04 and also about packing pixels closer, resulting in a higher DPI feeling 01:07:06 Cool, Esolang forum activity. 01:07:10 Downside: It's not about an esolang. 01:07:14 (or was it truly higher dpi? don't remember) 01:07:16 ehird, spam? 01:07:19 Nope. 01:07:23 Just a non-esoteric language. 01:07:25 huh 01:07:30 http://esolangs.org/forum/kareha.pl/1262953236/l50 01:07:47 Presumably they think it's "experimental" enough to be esoteric. 01:09:33 160x55 is a nice Emacs size. 01:10:05 If you split it vertically, you get two 26-line windows, which is quite a bit; a lot better if you resize one, of course. 01:10:15 Horizontally it handles a whole two 80-column windows, so no line wrapping. 01:10:28 (55 was chosen because it lets Emacs be in a nice place and not intrude on my Dock.) 01:11:05 mhm 01:11:40 Damn ehirdOS is so beautiful. :| 01:12:07 It's so much better now that I basically pilfered wholesale the ideas for the underlying language from Luke Palmer. 01:12:10 Beautiful inside and out! 01:13:20 ehird, what ideas? 01:13:34 Dana? 01:13:40 Uhh. Is there a way for me to say "you wouldn't understand" in a non-offensive, not-really-worth-telling-you way? 01:13:43 soupdragon: pretty much 01:13:48 ehird, "no" 01:13:57 AnMaster: You wouldn't understand, then. 01:14:03 AnMaster, it's basically combinator logic with a crazy type system, as I undertand it 01:14:10 dana is more than just the lang though 01:14:15 it's the frp approach to the entire os 01:14:18 soupdragon, interesting for an OS 01:14:30 * soupdragon has no idea how it (theoretically) works 01:14:40 I can't imagine how it applies to an OS either 01:14:42 dependent types and magic 01:14:55 AnMaster: See, when I said "you wouldn't understand", I was trying to avoid wasting your time. 01:15:18 ehird, well I wouldn't trust you on that would I? :P 01:15:38 Considering it was my explanation you were asking for, I'm probably pretty accurate on matters of it. 01:16:16 ehird, well yes, but I wouldn't trust you on what I understand and not 01:16:59 But considering I would use terminology that I enjoy using, and I have past experience trying and failing to discuss with you using such terminology, I'm an accurate predictor of whether you would understand one of my explanations or not. 01:18:21 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:21:48 ehird, plus weren't you going for lots of other things before? 01:21:52 smalltalk and what not 01:22:12 ehirdOS: a concrete design, set in stone; unchanging in its precise perfection. 01:22:20 There are too many implementations for me to break them wantonly like thaat. 01:22:27 *that 01:22:28 :P 01:36:40 -!- clog has joined. 01:36:40 -!- clog has joined. 01:36:52 -!- clog has joined. 01:36:52 -!- clog has joined. 01:37:47 -!- FireFly has quit ("Leaving"). 01:41:45 -!- olsner has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:41:57 -!- olsner has joined. 01:47:09 -!- olsner has left (?). 01:47:24 -!- olsner has joined. 01:48:00 -!- rodgort has quit (K-lined). 02:05:19 klined? 02:05:20 o_o 02:05:26 clog flooding? 02:05:30 what is the world 02:06:43 spam is the world 02:08:35 the bird's the world 02:10:55 night 02:28:21 -!- augur has joined. 02:43:05 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 02:43:05 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 02:44:08 hi pikhq_ 02:44:48 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:15:35 -!- ehird has quit. 03:34:30 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:00:30 -!- MizardX has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 04:33:09 -!- augur has joined. 04:33:44 hello kids 05:24:05 -!- rodgort has joined. 05:27:32 -!- rodgort has quit (Client Quit). 05:27:54 -!- rodgort has joined. 05:28:33 http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness?from=Main.MohsScaleOfSciFiHardness 05:28:39 needs more hard sci fi :( 05:28:47 I've read snow crash and it's like up at the top that's crazy 05:48:44 -!- rodgort has quit (Client Quit). 05:54:27 -!- rodgort has joined. 06:08:26 -!- soupdragon has quit ("Leaving"). 06:52:28 blurghle 06:52:36 linguistics 07:03:14 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good blight"). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:12:08 -!- jpc has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 08:13:31 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 08:18:04 -!- kar8nga has joined. 08:49:29 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 09:11:49 augur: is there a term for when a proper noun is formed by application of an article to a common noun, such as 'the Universe'? 09:56:48 -!- coppro has quit ("I am leaving. You are about to explode."). 09:57:39 -!- coppro has joined. 10:47:10 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 10:52:02 -!- Slereah has joined. 11:26:31 -!- FireFly has joined. 11:39:26 -!- soupdragon has joined. 11:59:35 -!- zeotrope has joined. 12:02:42 -!- Pthing has joined. 12:34:36 -!- MizardX has joined. 12:52:07 properification 13:05:53 :-S 13:07:21 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 13:07:37 the the is an article, so maybe it could be articulation 13:40:12 olsner, isn't that related to pronouncing things? At least I think the similar Swedish word is? 13:40:26 yes 13:40:56 -!- kar8nga has joined. 13:41:39 of course what olsner said _could_ have been punification, not sure 13:51:05 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:59:32 -!- MizardX- has joined. 14:03:34 -!- MizardX has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 14:03:57 -!- MizardX- has changed nick to MizardX. 14:42:58 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 14:46:31 -!- MizardX- has joined. 14:50:37 -!- cheateur has joined. 14:50:41 hey guys 14:51:02 if i'm going for high performance clusters, should i choose erlang or haskell? 15:02:45 -!- MizardX has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 15:02:56 -!- MizardX- has changed nick to MizardX. 15:05:24 cheateur, those aren't really esolangs are they? 15:06:24 but anyway, it would depend on what you would use the cluster for 15:07:59 yeah, but i didn't want to ask in either of their channels 15:08:06 for obvious reasons :P 15:08:12 hah 15:08:22 AnMaster: what would the different uses be that you could single out? 15:09:22 cheateur, number crunching, or handling of lots of concurrent server threads 15:09:24 for example 15:09:44 I don't know enough about haskell, but I know erlang is way better at the second one 15:10:42 there would likely be lots of other possibilities too 15:10:51 i would say concurrent server threads 15:11:25 why is erlang better at that? 15:11:35 is it just maturity of the platform? 15:11:38 cheateur, remember erlang was originally designed to run on telephony switches. The actual data moving was back then done in hardware. 15:11:54 i know 15:11:55 erlang uses message passing, not shared memory 15:12:56 cheateur, it just isn't optimised for number crunching style of workloads 15:13:20 and why is message passing better for high concurrency servers? 15:15:15 cheateur, not in general, but it is optimised for that when it comes to thread scheduling and such. Each thread has a separate heap (to simplify garbage collection on SMP systems, no need to stop other threads from running). The exception is large "binaries" (a data type for binary data) which is stored on a shared heap and ref-counted. So sending other large data types between processes need to copy 15:15:15 it 15:15:49 cheateur, it has good language level and library level support for server style processes 15:16:08 ah, so it's not that it has *concepts* that allow better performance 15:16:22 it's that it is just better written 15:16:31 cheateur, well, it is well tuned for that load. And it is easy to write that style of thing 15:16:38 cheateur, also you can reload code on the fly 15:16:51 without restarting current processes 15:17:30 that's nice 15:17:32 they are sent an "update you data structures if required and jump to the new code" style message. If you use the standard library modules to implement your server processes then that becomes very easy 15:17:36 can haskell do that? 15:17:53 cheateur, well, erlang is a VM, it would be way harder if it wasn't for the VM 15:18:11 but for haskell, I don't know it well enough 15:18:30 aha 15:18:34 cheateur, erlang also have almost seamless support for distributing stuff over several nodes 15:18:41 i'm just looking at learning a new language 15:18:54 C looks like it'll be fucking boring for no reason 15:19:21 and most stuff i do is web or service oriented 15:19:38 so i thought about something like haskell or erlang to write nice big services 15:19:40 (almost, as in you need to tell it to connect to the other node, and a few internal details can be tricky, but generally if you do things like you should and don't mess in semi-internal stuff it won't be an issue) 15:20:00 but you pass it a message the same way as a local process 15:20:07 s/it/a remote process/ 15:20:15 and haskell doesn't do that? 15:20:32 cheateur, well, I don't know if haskell even has support built in for distributed nodes. 15:20:52 i would assume so 15:20:55 but it is only an assumption 15:21:39 AnMaster: if i know php, python, and probably almost everything web-related, what language would you suggest to me? 15:22:15 cheateur, do you know any esolang? Any functional language? 15:22:21 no 15:22:30 bear in mind i need to be able to make money with it too 15:22:34 hm if you don't know an esolang what are you doing in here? :) 15:22:49 trolling? ;) 15:22:53 hah 15:23:02 i have brainfuck installed 15:23:04 if that helps 15:23:10 maybe 15:23:44 well, both erlang and haskell are functional languages. That will be hard if you only know the imperative approach. Haskell even more so. 15:24:08 maybe starting with scheme to get a general idea of functional programming would be a good idea. 15:24:28 i'm a mathematician, most programming languages aren't that difficult 15:24:28 i've learnt asm by using a debugger 15:24:54 cheateur, erlang uses tail recursion for loops and such. Also it is single assignment as in math (you don't do x=2; x=x+1; in math if you see what I mean) 15:25:03 you're another of these folks that think mathematicians are gods 15:25:05 I think the same goes for haskell 15:25:20 dunno if i want to go with scheme, it feels like a sort of halfway solution 15:25:32 -!- Slip has joined. 15:25:36 soupdragon: they aren't ?? 15:25:54 cheateur, it is a nice educationish language for learning the basic concepts of functional programming. 15:26:16 -!- Slip has left (?). 15:26:21 AnMaster: gotcha 15:26:29 AnMaster: i know that in erlang variables are immutable 15:26:43 cheateur, but if you know enough of math concepts then it shouldn't be too hard 15:26:55 but for making money of it, who knows. I can't answer that 15:27:32 AnMaster: but i thought this only had to do with the 'place in memory', not the handle 15:27:47 hm? 15:27:57 i.e. you could do x=1; x=2 but then you'd have two x's and the first one would be dereferenced and would just be 'garbage'? 15:28:35 well there is no assignment as such in erlang. There is pattern matching. Meaning you can do something like {true,{X,Y,Z}} = somefunction() 15:28:42 i.e. the '1' would still exist, but it would be dereferenced. 15:28:43 where {} is the notation used for tuples 15:29:21 AnMaster: is there a one-click way for me to start writing erlang *now*? 15:29:26 i'm on 'doze 15:29:59 cheateur, that would try to assign the values to X,Y,Z. But if X was set before already then it would fail of the value of X wasn't the same as before. This can be used for some really cool things. 15:30:16 cheateur, hm, I think they have a windows download on erlang.org, but I'm on linux myself 15:30:23 so I never tried it 15:30:38