< 1263859210 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1263859379 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play more Gorf! < 1263859381 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1263859539 0 :jpc!n=jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263859566 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1263859581 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: until recently I was unaware as well < 1263859992 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only problem with my C lambda stuff is that it is *amazingly* hard to debug. < 1263860090 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPEAKING OF, < 1263860097 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1263860098 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Did you see my improvement to the Plof parser's debugging? < 1263860106 0 :jpc!n=jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263860119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I only saw that there was such a commit; I've not actually looked at the details. < 1263860231 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, btw, is Lisp/LC in C++ templates a common thing that almost everyone has done, or is it just me? < 1263860255 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wondering if I should bother putting my stuff somewhere) < 1263860679 0 :cheateur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what lang is that code in? < 1263860683 0 :cheateur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the $2 = ... < 1263860821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheateur: That's GDB output. < 1263860860 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1263860900 0 :cheateur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok. < 1263861261 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1263861383 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263861409 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1263862246 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263863866 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Perl: the only language that looks the same before and after RSA encryption" < 1263863870 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qntm.org/?msn < 1263864440 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1263865162 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1263867227 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Dizzy..." < 1263868267 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263869209 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/music/op10/GRegor-op10.pdf wooh < 1263869235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C and large church numerals do not mix. < 1263869241 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(go go gadget stack overflow!) < 1263869455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you using to typeset that? < 1263869779 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ? < 1263869791 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lilypond < 1263869797 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rosegarden to generate the Lilypond < 1263869805 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I then modify it by hand) < 1263869905 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lilypond, if you don't know, is TeX for musical notation) < 1263869947 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ^^ < 1263869994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. It appears to have a few issues... For example, measure 88; see the (I dunno what it's called, flag?) on the eighth and half notes in the treble clef? < 1263870041 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you referring to the stems? < 1263870051 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh. Yes, the stems. < 1263870060 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It displayed two stems because I have a chord of dotted quarter notes overlayed with a dotted half note. < 1263870064 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know how to fix that ... < 1263870066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn tip-of-tongue phenonmenon. < 1263870110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also kinda odd-looking in measure 77 (half note and dotted half note) < 1263870123 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1263870124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could've sworn Lilypond was smarter than that. < 1263870180 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that's just borken :) < 1263870221 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll fix that now. < 1263870224 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an overlay problem again. < 1263870237 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could get the Lilypond developers to use Opus 10 for the stuff to fix in Lilypond? :P < 1263870518 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, they'd just tell me what the "right way" is :P < 1263870554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would also be useful. :P < 1263870743 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, 77 is fixed. < 1263870750 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still have the multiple-stems problem. < 1263870851 0 :bsmntbombdood__!n=gavin@97-118-253-45.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263871015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a rather large number of eighth notes appear to be detached from their stems... That's just plain odd. < 1263871044 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) < 1263871151 0 :jpc1!n=jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263871262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even so < 1263871356 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ? < 1263871383 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know where the detached eighth notes you're referring to are. < 1263871425 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Only slightly so. < 1263871429 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See measure 1. < 1263871432 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note 1. < 1263871436 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1263871454 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even when I zoom in as far as I can, they're not detached for me. < 1263871473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be my PDF viewer being odd, then. < 1263871494 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's apparent even when not zoomed in here... < 1263871505 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-205-83.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263871516 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. The lines also have bizarre width... < 1263871521 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going with "PDF viewer bug". < 1263871726 0 :bsmntbombdood__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1263872083 0 :jpc1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I will do anything (almost) for a new router." < 1263872279 0 :jpc!n=jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263872875 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my dream, there was this death metal song, crucial to some sort of revolution, that said "space stations / given as nations"; where the latter verse actually means "taken as a given", but i only realized it was wrong after i woke up. oh and there was some spinning too. < 1263872908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i always spin in my dreams) < 1263873916 0 :bsmntbombdood__!n=gavin@97-118-182-72.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263874009 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1263875151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spinning revolutions < 1263875646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1263875648 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morninn < 1263875758 0 :bsmntbombdood__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) < 1263875977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morn' < 1263879131 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"using events, by definition, even on a single threaded process, is multithreading" < 1263879301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"redefining terms, by definition, even when obnoxiously done, is genocide" < 1263879305 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1263879470 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@174-16-91-41.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263879597 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooh! < 1263879604 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I taught someone something new today! < 1263879614 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Had him try an experiment that proved that he was wrong) < 1263879885 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good something" < 1263879946 0 :jpc!n=jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263880079 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good for you < 1263880093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :owned that bastard < 1263880162 0 :Ayeraw!n=wareya@cpe-74-70-140-214.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263881358 0 :jpc1!n=jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263881443 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1263881901 0 :augur_!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263881912 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1263882684 0 :jpc1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I will do anything (almost) for a new router." < 1263882721 0 :jpc!n=jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263882895 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1263882932 0 :jpc!n=jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263883438 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1263884149 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1263885639 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love using an OS with a scheduler < 1263885699 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it you're not on linux then :) < 1263886081 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am < 1263886085 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1263887412 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263887999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1263888000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1263888891 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1263890213 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1263890254 0 :jpc!n=jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263891372 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I will do anything (almost) for a new router." < 1263892053 0 :scarf!n=scarf@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263892934 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263893563 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1263893579 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1263893585 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone set a ban on the ident that i'm using on #haskell < 1263893591 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm scared < 1263893657 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a ghost < 1263893667 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever they call it < 1263893675 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cloak, that's it < 1263893687 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the cloak change the ident tho? < 1263893693 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a cloak < 1263893701 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf is n=scarf@unaffiliated/ais523 < 1263894175 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. is your ident normally scarf? < 1263894204 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: oh, my IRC client lets me change it < 1263894219 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ident isn't checked in any way, you can put whatever you like there < 1263894255 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there might be a ban on it; that's unlikely though < 1263894272 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a ban on it in #haskell :S < 1263894296 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the banmask? < 1263894354 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1263894477 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ident *is* checked, by doing an ident protocol request (see RFC1413); of course, if you control the machine you're connecting from, or if it doesn't run an identd, or if the identd allows for user-specific replies anyhow, then you can put anything there. < 1263894550 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, Freenode seems to try to check it < 1263894559 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an identd request wouldn't get past the firewall here < 1263894588 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so that's one more way to avoid the check. < 1263894627 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If identd doesn't work or is blocked, one normally gets 'user' as user part. < 1263894659 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One normally gets whatever one's IRC client specifies in the initial USER message at the beginning of the connection. < 1263894675 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though here with a "n=" prefix. And in many other places, with a ~ prefix. < 1263894708 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Freenode's new server, the one they're going to switch to soonishly, also does the ~ prefix instead of the current n=foo/i=foo thing. < 1263894850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be even more exact, the traditional IRCnet ircd has six different cases; no prefix for I-line (normal connection) with ident, ^ for ident with type "OTHER", ~ for no ident; and correspondingly +, =, - for i-lines (restricted connections). < 1263894889 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know if Freenode's seven will do all those. < 1263895083 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it does just the ~ prefix. And even that's a configurable option. < 1263895177 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode's policy document or some-such used to justify the n=/i= prefixes so that you can set a ban on "?=bar", instead of having to use two bans ("bar" and "~bar") or "*bar" (which'd match "foobar" too). < 1263895644 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-139.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263895716 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263896591 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I am leaving. You are about to explode." < 1263897672 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1263897675 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: it's *!gast@*.* can you do something about it? < 1263897867 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: Block identd? < 1263897976 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the fact that his current username has the "n=" prefix (as opposed to "i="), it's already blocked; it's just a matter of setting the client to send something else. < 1263897995 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general ban evasion is a good way of obtaining even more bans, though. < 1263898057 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1263898071 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid xchat needs me to actually install ident -_- < 1263898081 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trawling through the manual.
< 1263898109 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i talked to one of the ops and he said 'it's an old ban, i don't know why it is set, i am not going to touch it' < 1263898123 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, it's not a ban against .me. < 1263898159 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought blocking/disabling identd causes the lhs to be 'n=user@' (if you aren't identified). < 1263898184 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the thing, i am identified < 1263898189 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it uses whatever you put in the USER line < 1263898195 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :identification confirms the nick < 1263898198 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has nothing to do with the ident < 1263898261 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. any idea how to change the user in xchat? < 1263898282 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"User name" field in the network list/connect screen/whatever. < 1263898294 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"network list" seems to be the dialog title. < 1263898318 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1263898325 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Verlassend" < 1263898336 0 :cheater!n=cheater@62.176.155.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263898405 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you fizzie < 1263898513 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, that *!*Gast*@* ban might be related to what's being talked at in http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/05/15/%23ubuntu-ops.txt -- just search for "gast". < 1263898564 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Banning "*gast*" is a bit overkill; I would think it matches a number of perfectly reasonable words, for example. < 1263898591 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode's +d "realname bans" are funky. < 1263898671 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is not a realname ban, only an ident ban < 1263898813 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that was just an aside; the log I linked to considered a "Java user" realname ban. < 1263898878 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be some sort of a general rule that channel #x has a huge list of bans for all x where x is the name of a Linux distribution. < 1263899086 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1263900003 0 :MigoMipo!i=3e779bfd@gateway/web/freenode/x-wkcuuohfncxqwfzg JOIN :#esoteric < 1263900068 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1263900540 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :scarf|away < 1263900990 0 :scarf|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :scarf < 1263901159 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263903460 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263904580 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know why in haskell [0.1, 0.3 .. 1] turns out to contain 1.099999...? < 1263905921 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1263906010 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@174-16-91-41.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263906310 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :scarf|away < 1263906566 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: http://docs.sun.com/source/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html < 1263906739 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: non-helpful < 1263906757 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did you mean that it's greater than 1? enumFromThenTo works like that, it goes up to the last thing that's >= the end point < 1263906789 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was this just an artifact of floating points being Enum, I forget. < 1263906799 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the haskell98 report, it should end when the next item would be higher than a3 < 1263906944 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it does a takeWhile (<= a3 + (a2-a1)/2) < 1263906984 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/onlinereport/standard-prelude.html < 1263907101 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is an implementation bug < 1263907102 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1263907124 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1263907166 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takeWhile (<= a3 + (a2-a1)/2) i.e. takeWhile (<= 1 + (0.3-0.1)/2) i.e. takeWhile (<= 1.1) < 1263907166 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, because the implementation does not do what haskell 98 defines < 1263907180 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The above is what Haskell 98 defines < 1263907187 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copied from the link I pasted above < 1263907201 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With different parameter names since you already used a3) < 1263907201 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you find the exact wording of the haskell 98 definition? < 1263907216 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numericEnumFromThenTo :: (Fractional a, Ord a) => a -> a -> a -> [a] < 1263907216 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numericEnumFrom = iterate (+1) < 1263907216 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numericEnumFromThen n m = iterate (+(m-n)) n < 1263907216 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numericEnumFromTo n m = takeWhile (<= m+1/2) (numericEnumFrom n) < 1263907216 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numericEnumFromThenTo n n' m = takeWhile p (numericEnumFromThen n n') < 1263907218 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : where < 1263907220 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : p | n' >= n = (<= m + (n'-n)/2) < 1263907223 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | otherwise = (>= m + (n'-n)/2) < 1263907246 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And relating to the expression itself: "Arithmetic sequences satisfy these identities: .. [ e1,e2..e3 ] = enumFromThenTo e1 e2 e3" < 1263907265 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From http://www.haskell.org/onlinereport/exps.html#sect3.10 ) < 1263907288 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to http://www.haskell.org/onlinereport/derived.html enumFromThenTo x y z = map toEnum [fromEnum x, fromEnum y .. fromEnum z] < 1263907323 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: For derived instances of Enum < 1263907334 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all instances < 1263907346 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure what derived instances are and why they are different < 1263907375 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you been reading the report in order? :-P < 1263907382 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not < 1263907386 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top of that page: "A derived instance is an instance declaration that is generated automatically in conjunction with a data or newtype declaration." < 1263907406 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do "data MyBoolean = MyTrue | MyFalse deriving (Enum)" < 1263907429 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And enumFromThenTo would then work as you described. < 1263907457 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1263907552 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks Deewiant < 1263907556 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was quite helpful < 1263907595 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As to the deeper "why" of why it's defined like that for Float and Double, I can't say. < 1263907615 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's fairly dumb < 1263907658 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right < 1263907662 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1263907663 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toEnum truncates to Int < 1263907685 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what that gives us < 1263907693 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you need to take more elements than necessary because you've lost info at that point < 1263907718 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Technology overview: Cognitive radio". Wow, that's so buzzword-compliant; I have no idea what it actually means. < 1263907723 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that that doesn't make any sense because there's no need to use toEnum anywhere < 1263907723 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that quite shit, Deewiant < 1263907732 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: The "shit" is that Float and Double are instances of Enum < 1263907744 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, in itself, is shit < 1263907756 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH I don't care about the details of how their implementation is shit :-P < 1263907760 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know haskell enough to fully follow that through but ok < 1263908110 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The demo presents the use of micro-array LEDs for displays embedded in contact lenses." It's things like these that at least partially alleviate my disappointment of it being 2010 already. < 1263908122 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things still suck and all, but a display in a contact lens. < 1263908204 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cognitive radio is the stupidest name, yes < 1263908356 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Incidentally: is something other than Java acceptable for the AI tournament? < 1263908400 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: If you can compile it to JVM bytecode and make it work in the tournament system, yes. < 1263908406 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263908413 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, cool. < 1263908442 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have my workstation online, but I think someone participated with Scala last year. < 1263908488 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it's a handicap as anything non-Java tends to be slower on the JVM < 1263908528 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's possible, but I don't think I could find a fair way of mitigating that. < 1263908556 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, certainly not. I wouldn't expect you to. < 1263908578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, last year's bot file sizes are all pretty tiny; perhaps it was the year before. < 1263908612 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you tell what language it's in from the file size? :-) < 1263908657 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in the general case; but the single non-Java participant I remember seeing was a megabyte or two, since they had to bundle the language's standard-library-equivalent in there. < 1263908680 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, that can happen. < 1263908731 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have had some sort of file size limit in place, mostly due to the Computing Centre quota. < 1263908759 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can request a quota-expansion, you know. You'd probably get it for this. < 1263908806 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, I just haven't bothered. It's not like there are more than one or two freaks, uh, I mean... differingly language-opinionated folks, in each year's list of participants. < 1263908816 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1263908891 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Since you hang around nearby, I guess I could copy on the link: http://research.nokia.com/Otaniemi_demo_house < 1263908895 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll translate CCBI to Clojure, write the thing in Befunge and bundle that along with the Clojure interp < 1263908921 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our speech-to-text demo is going to be there, though it's nothing too fancy. < 1263908976 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The others are a bit more... flashy. Thought controlled games and so on. < 1263909011 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My wednesdays are rather booked by the school as it is, I probably won't be there < 1263909031 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't your software freely available? ;-) < 1263909086 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, though I guess that's mostly a matter of not having enough resources to construct a distributable thing out of it. We have some components downloadable, like that VariKN language-modelling toolkit, and the Morfessor thing. < 1263909131 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course it's just a trivial matter of implementation to reconstruct our system from the published articles about it. < 1263909137 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1263909145 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just code, after all. < 1263909240 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike the fact that the bot-submission CGI script for the AI competition says "my $deadline = ...", since it's not really *my* deadline. < 1263909256 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So write "their $deadline = ..." instead. < 1263909317 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess http://www.cis.hut.fi/projects/speech/demo/ is the closest equivalent to "freely available". < 1263909364 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and that one requires an account too. Though you get that via email. < 1263909385 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A more flashier online-demo -- perhaps even something running client-side -- has been talked about, but it's obviously not very high on the priority list. < 1263909433 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably you have something like http://www.cis.hut.fi/projects/speech/srdemo.jpg - just tarball it and torrent the presumably-multigigabyte language model :-P < 1263909520 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, that's an old image; it looks better nowadays. < 1263909595 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, yes, we have that thing; it's just not very user-friendly. I don't really know, software-distributionary policy decisions aren't really my department. < 1263909630 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when is any research project of the university user-friendly anyway < 1263909829 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :News headlines talked about in the lunch table: "U.S. group sends solar-powered Bibles to Haiti -- Not any Bible. These are solar-powered audible Bibles that can broadcast the holy scriptures in Haitian Creole to 300 people at a time." < 1263909853 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Called the 'Proclaimer,' the audio Bible delivers 'digital quality' and is designed for 'poor and illiterate people,' the Faith Comes By Hearing group said." < 1263909860 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an awesome name. < 1263909874 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :money well spent < 1263910200 0 :scarf|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :scarf < 1263912865 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263912872 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1263914391 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely it's better to let people die and go to heaven than let them live and have them end up in hell! < 1263914598 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're catholics, reading the bible at them isn't how you save catholics < 1263914601 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignorant americans < 1263914686 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263915233 0 :cpressey!n=CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263916552 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad apparently believes that barackobama.com is a scam site < 1263916570 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it doesn't end with .gov < 1263916630 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1263917874 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1263919311 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1263919321 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@78.47.72.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263919497 0 :MissPiggy!n=quantum@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1263919554 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1263920952 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263921251 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1263921874 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1263922604 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1263923745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you (or anyone else in this channel reading this) know of any program that is able to fix the "bent" image from scanning a book < 1263923756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :near the middle of the book you know < 1263923907 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION keeps campaigning for coakley
< 1263923917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for who? < 1263923975 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Martha Coakley for U.S. Senator from MA < 1263923989 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to Scott Brown, who would kill Healthcare Reform < 1263924064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you are in US? hm < 1263924105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes it was Slereah who was in France. Someone with a nick starting with S anyway < 1263925231 0 :cheater2!n=cheater@ip-80-226-230-231.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1263925311 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263925497 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-166-171-80.range86-166.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263925846 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again I must ask ... why is it that everyone writes left-recursive grammars, then writes left-to-right parsers, when right-to-left parsers make left-recursive grammars SO much easier to parse. < 1263925997 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1263926163 0 :cheateur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1263926277 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Yacc does left-to-right parsers? :P < 1263926542 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "healthcare reform" is giant piece of CF anyway. Doesn't fix the real problems. < 1263926670 0 :augur_!n=augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1263926707 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1263926761 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame it on the ubiquity of left-to-right lexers. < 1263926772 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the problems with the US health system, I mean) < 1263926797 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1263926846 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I advocate outlawing all medicine. (Seriously. A black market would probably work better than the current system.) < 1263927100 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1263927121 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-7-237.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263927316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, write a right recursive parser then < 1263927333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1263927337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right recursive grammar < 1263927339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant < 1263927478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ilari: it's *!gast@*.* can you do something about it? < 1263927517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that means "guest" in german, i take it they had a german spammer problem once, and didn't realize (or maybe care) that it's a very generic word < 1263927571 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: right-recursive grammars suck. < 1263927583 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-2-3 != 2 < 1263927693 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Actually, that made me think ... probably the only reason why everybody does everything left-to-right is that early compilers were all one-pass, and you can't do right-to-left in one pass with most filesystems (they'll only give you the file left-to-right). So the lexers are l->r because the file I/O is l->r, and the parsers are l->r because the lexers are l->r. < 1263927742 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nobody will indulge themselves in the sweet awesomeness of an R->L parser because they're stuck believing that they can't buffer the lexical tokens and read them the other way. < 1263927755 0 :cpressey1!n=CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263927774 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just sent a message to cpressey that he apparently didn't receive! :P < 1263927791 0 :cpressey1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :temporary network outage. < 1263927802 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: Actually, that made me think ... probably the only reason why everybody does everything left-to-right is that early compilers were all one-pass, and you can't do right-to-left in one pass with most filesystems (they'll only give you the file left-to-right). So the lexers are l->r because the file I/O is l->r, and the parsers are l->r because the lexers are l->r. < 1263927803 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And nobody will indulge themselves in the sweet awesomeness of an R->L parser because they're stuck believing that they can't buffer the lexical tokens and read them the other way. < 1263927915 0 :cpressey1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes, I was going to blame the left-to-right-ness of streams first. But then I considered that files are often memory mapped by the OS these days, and the order in which the tokens come is really the lexer's responsibility... < 1263927925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouroboros parsing, anyone? :D < 1263927952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, only L->R makes sense for interactive use... < 1263927994 0 :cpressey1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So what you're saying is, file I/O is l->r because time goes forward, not backward! < 1263928004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, if you are parsing simultaneously with downloading from the net... < 1263928022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1263928044 0 :cpressey1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that a file has a "left" anyway < 1263928048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time travelers' computers must be _so_ messed up < 1263928054 0 :cpressey1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloody human conventions. < 1263928071 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One way one might try to fix the US healthcare would be to restrict how low deductibles insurance can have. Except that would be unconsitutional (unless done by states, and there are 50 of them). < 1263928198 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that feds care much what is constitutional or not... < 1263928206 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks that "prior condition" thing is messed up too, and seems impossible to solve unless everyone has mandatory insurance from birth...
< 1263928282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Many people here seem to think that any form of mandatory health care is evil and communist. < 1263928288 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it is messed up. When I explained to my father what insurance companies do with "prior condition", he wouldn't believe me at first... < 1263928311 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT HAVE HEALTH CARE", they assert. < 1263928524 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there is "preventative healthcare". Some of it (like most vaccines in standard vaccination programs) is spectacularly cost-effective. Some it is are complete BS. And stuff in between. < 1263928586 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People seem to be ignorant that we already pay through the nose for healthcare, universally... < 1263928599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emergency rooms are required to accept anyone. < 1263928624 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the charges from uninsured people going to an ER are footed by the government. < 1263928644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, we're already paying for health care, we're just doing it in the most spectacularly inefficient way we can manage. < 1263928654 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1263928666 0 :cpressey1!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpressey < 1263928675 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "death panels". The _already_ exist in US. < 1263928697 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. We call them "the insurance company". < 1263928838 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the requirement that ER accepts anyone is that bad. There is probably much much worse stuff that really screws things up. < 1263928851 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyone know why in haskell [0.1, 0.3 .. 1] turns out to contain 1.099999...? < 1263928916 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater2: i think it is because if they put the cutoff exactly at 1, they could lose 1 itself because of rounding errors. so they do it at the halfway point instead, sine that seems the next most obvious choice... < 1263928942 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1263928945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: It's not that requirement that's bad. < 1263928949 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use rationals instead of floats < 1263928953 0 :zeotrope!n=zeotrope@bas3-kitchener06-1096622413.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1263928964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: It's the fact that that is the only universal healthcare available, and therefore what many people *soley* use, that's bad. < 1263928981 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest83037 < 1263928986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: It's what makes the US government spend more per capita on healthcare than any other nation. < 1263929429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that norway is no. 3 on the http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_spe_per_per-health-spending-per-person list, and it's _not_ because of quality
< 1263929439 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that is the cause why healthcare spending is out of control. < 1263929451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah our spending is out of control too < 1263929515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: How many people are financially ruined because of your spending? < 1263929535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok we may not have _that_ problem (much, anyway) < 1263929571 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing is for sure. The US healthcare system is giant Charlie Foxtrot. < 1263929610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that graph is off... < 1263929624 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The per capita spending here is more like $7,000. < 1263929649 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1263929724 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the rest is insurance company profits ;D < 1263929792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is some 30% administrative overhead. < 1263929849 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 15% of the population has literally no coverage... < 1263930000 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what percentage of citizens that would want coverage don't have one? < 1263930091 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the reverse of that percentage is more meaningful < 1263930159 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. the percentage of citizens that don't have coverage who would want one) < 1263930242 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah that could be meaningful too. But the "citizens" numbers are more meaningful than "all people" numbers. < 1263930244 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263930287 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1263930458 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference between "citizens" and "all people" is that latter also includes legal aliens (shouldn't be much problem) and illegal aliens (these pretty much can't have coverage anyway). < 1263930538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Again I must ask ... why is it that everyone writes left-recursive grammars, then writes left-to-right parsers, when right-to-left parsers make left-recursive grammars SO much easier to parse. < 1263930585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that "immigration" is an outmoded concept.
< 1263930595 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't we all just sign onto Schengen? < 1263930598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not necessary LR(n) from the right just because it's from the left, i think, so you might get hideous ambiguity < 1263930625 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, that's true. < 1263930658 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm talking more about hand-written parsers though, so lookahead isn't a huge issue necessarily I think maybe. < 1263930662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i think most languages are designed to have little ambiguity from the left, while no one cares about the other way < 1263930685 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to finish writing my R-L JavaScript parser and see where my hangups are :P < 1263930713 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R-L? < 1263930714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course you still wouldn't get _global_ ambiguity) < 1263930716 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmapping won't solve all the problems with lexing R->L. Pipes and that sort of stuff is just the most obivious, even mmaps are mostly designed to be read forwards or randomly, not backwards. < 1263930719 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, parser < 1263930722 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1263930754 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: We're living in the future, it's not that big a deal. < 1263930783 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if it would have been the other way around if the japanese had invented the main computer languages
< 1263930843 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(japanese being a natural language which branches the other way iiuc) < 1263930855 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One test one could try: How fast can computer read large file forwards and how fast it can read it backwards (if file is too large to fit in RAM). < 1263930858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odds are, we'd be using RPN languages. < 1263930870 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263930910 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although human cognitive load considerations or something would probably imply left-to-right parseability regardless < 1263930914 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Unless it's a pipe or in FAT, "just as fast". < 1263930946 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I've wondered that too, but I suspect that Forth would have a large cult following in Japan if that effect were in play, and I've not seen evidence of that... < 1263930976 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead... Ruby :) < 1263930980 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1263931078 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I feel I must point out that if there's one language where there's an actual use case for parsing while it's coming to you over a pipe and not a disk file, it's Javascript. < 1263931131 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's just me being pedantic. < 1263931134 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play more Gorf! < 1263931138 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, try it (the defintion of processing could be function that takes chunk of data and does nothing)? < 1263931141 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well html itself too, it's a language for parsing purposes < 1263931154 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an SGML profile < 1263931171 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows that
< 1263931224 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swedish Play more Gorf. < 1263931226 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pley mure-a Gurff. \ Bork Bork Bork! < 1263931293 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm, leverpastej med gurka! < 1263931309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actually, I advocate outlawing all medicine. (Seriously. A black market would probably work better than the current system.) < 1263931323 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear that didn't quite work for abortion, back in the day < 1263931362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just had leverpastej, but no gurka
< 1263931383 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fail < 1263931421 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually red beets is the mandatory condiment for leverpastej here < 1263931440 0 :jpc!n=jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263931451 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah! weird < 1263931456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sadly i didn't have that either < 1263931467 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe something to try after the can of cucumber runs out < 1263931487 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pickled (?) red beets, mind you < 1263931511 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok cucumbers are not exactly unheard of either < 1263931529 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with red beets, _beware_ of spilling and soiling < 1263931635 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine... I have vinegar from the cucumber all over my desk, but luckily it's colorless < 1263931669 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1263931735 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, that was more of a comment on the abysmalness of the current system than on the effectiveness of any proposed alternative. < 1263931775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i detected _no_ sarcasm in that <_< >_> < 1263931877 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjMYQyhjiYA < 1263931912 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPLETELY OBVIOUS DISCOVERY: Although there are more cases of left-recursion than right-recursion, the right-recursive cases are REALLY REALLY NASTY (IfStatement : 'if' ... Statement, Statement : ... | IfStatement | ... ) < 1263931982 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION had to turn off that youtube before getting to the actual sarcasm. sitcom allergy, sorry
< 1263932023 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's not a sitcom, it's a skit by a comedy troupe. < 1263932033 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, same poison < 1263932047 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is against ... media. < 1263932049 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or humor. < 1263932050 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1263932082 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monty Python too? 'Cos KitH is just the Canadian version, really. < 1263932104 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except much better, of course. < 1263932107 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh monty python i can stomach, some of it < 1263932208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just cannot cope with looking at people really embarassing themselves < 1263932215 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh, Kids in the Hall! < 1263932218 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're dissing Kids in the Hall? < 1263932221 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfffff. < 1263932246 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's rank is now lowered to 2/5ths of a person. < 1263932257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who, me? i don't even know who kids in the hall are. i don't watch tv, remember? < 1263932270 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, speaking of Canadians and actual sitcoms which are funny, Corner Gas is hilarious. < 1263932342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what in a who now? < 1263932402 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, now you do. They're Canada's answer to Monty Python. < 1263932434 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think those guys were very good actors < 1263932440 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "answer" is maybe the wrong word, but you get the idea. < 1263932449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone is everyone's answer to monty python these days, aren't they < 1263932455 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Corner Gas < 1263932483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck norway's answers to monty python started dying _off_ in the last decade :D < 1263932529 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days? I don't think there are comedy troupes anymore. Culture has disintegrated too far. KitH was like 1992. < 1263932530 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear this monty python thing is pretty good < 1263932532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer Monty Python. They're Britain's answer to Monty Python. < 1263932551 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized that after making this comment < 1263932643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, link to this Canadian answer? I can't locate it. Unless it is that last youtube link? < 1263932656 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION listens to ISIHAC
< 1263932657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the previous < 1263932658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sparse log reading does have some downsides) < 1263932667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm? < 1263932678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, was it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjMYQyhjiYA ? < 1263932685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1263932686 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the last youtube link is a fairly good introduction. < 1263932714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1263932739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, btw I don't watch tv either < 1263932820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION agrees with oerjan
< 1263932827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the unwatchability of it < 1263932849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, ^ < 1263932859 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the only modern tv show I've been able to watch has been "Good Eats". < 1263932880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, star trek tng, I voyager maybe < 1263932884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing newer than that < 1263932898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/I / < 1263932922 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... You enjoyed Voyager? < 1263932926 0 :Guest83037!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1263932940 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The show where trans-infinite velocity has meaning? < 1263932962 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should (or maybe it would have been better not to) point out that by "embarassing themselves" i was referring to the characters, not the actors. < 1263932965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I said "maybe" < 1263932976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few of the episodes certainly, some definitely not < 1263932988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I didn't watch all episodes < 1263933000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably missed that one with "trans-infinite velocity" < 1263933019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case that has something to do with me being relegated to 2/5th person < 1263933023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Voyager had a range from horrible to mediocre, with a couple actually being good... < 1263933054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I guess I mostly hit the mediocre and one of two of the good ones then < 1263933061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1263933072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't worry, to me, you are at least 2 and a half persons < 1263933083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Break the warp 10 barrier!" "Warp 10... Isn't that like infinity?" "Yes." "So... Very fast?" < 1263933084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that cancels out :D < 1263933086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also, if isn't quite as bad if you are watching it to experience the treknobabel < 1263933094 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ Actual. Conversation. < 1263933107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well that's bad indeed < 1263933124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, "so good it is bad"? < 1263933125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr < 1263933128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so bad it is good < 1263933129 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds funnier than any comedy troupe I can think of. < 1263933129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1263933134 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, so bad it's painful. < 1263933146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, starwars holiday special (not that I watched it) < 1263933154 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So bad it's horrible. < 1263933170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY ACCELERATE TO IT. < 1263933172 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, the Voyager writers have disowned the infamously-retarded "Warp 10" episode. < 1263933177 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACCELERATE TO INFINITY AND BEYOND. < 1263933191 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SoBadItsGood http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SoBadItsHorrible (MWAHAHA) < 1263933192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: True. Still... < 1263933217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well to infinity isn't impossible. Just double your speed the first minute, then double it again after half a minute, and again after a quarter of a minute, and so on < 1263933225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond I doubt < 1263933248 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to warp 10 was only the /beginning/ of the retardedness of that episode. < 1263933249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I use a custom css so I can't see the links for that site < 1263933266 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, well. Is your velocity *countably* infinite or *uncountably* infinite? Which aleph are we talking about, here? < 1263933268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for safety? < 1263933274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah < 1263933281 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn my plans foiled < 1263933287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. That was the stupidity that *started* the episode... < 1263933299 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to even mention the rest of the stupidity that was that episode. < 1263933315 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a series that was pretty mundane, that was an episode that was astoundingly awful. < 1263933340 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The vast majority of the series was rather... Meh. < 1263933343 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is worse: using SQL Server Compact, or using SQLite but installing Visual Studio? < 1263933343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not terrible, just meh. < 1263933352 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when it was bad, it was horrible. < 1263933399 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just note that there is one, and only one, consistent way to explain everything that occured in it: infinite improbability drive. < 1263933481 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: They're both pretty awful, but with the latter you have a prayer of portability. < 1263934209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TNG or TOS, which was best? < 1263934249 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TNG > TOs < 1263934250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what was that episode called btw? < 1263934251 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*TOS < 1263934268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, what about DS9? (I never watched any episodes from it) < 1263934282 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of DS9 is really good < 1263934282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Threshold. < 1263934290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, mhm < 1263934680 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't know of a specialized program for that scan thing, but certainly you could try adding short line segments that trace the rows of letters in the book marked as horizontal lines in Hugin, then letting it optimize all those lens distortion parameters; it might find something that straightens them, though probably not very well. < 1263934775 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DS9 abbr always reminds me of the DeathStation 9000 first. < 1263934786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I did some experiments, no luck < 1263934795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it should do colour correction IMO < 1263934806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is way darker towards the middle < 1263934819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that would be DS9K < 1263934840 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but that's always my first connotation anyhow. < 1263935308 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1263935386 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Checked; it was indeed in 2008, and Scala, and a 3212277-byte .jar, and MAIMTRON 9000 in http://www.cs.hut.fi/Opinnot/T-93.4400/2008/results/ < 1263935451 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose you have stats for how often they timed out? < 1263935488 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm not sure. There's something about CPU usage in the "details" page. < 1263935517 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so there is. < 1263935520 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't notice that page. < 1263935550 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :319.6 seconds/game on average; 3600 seconds was the limit. Probably didn't run out of time very much. < 1263935555 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I guess there might be the plot too. < 1263935582 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Per-bot statistics" and the CPU usage graph. < 1263935624 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, seems like it wasn't slowed down by not being in Java. Or then it was just coded exceptionally well. < 1263935649 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it didn't do very deep searching in the situation-space. :p < 1263935678 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did relatively well though. < 1263935716 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Though that might be more dependant on how game-relevant a heuristic the author can figure out for evaluating a position, than on how clever the move search part is. < 1263935735 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, heuristics. Boo @ them. < 1263935759 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There have been some "used practically no time at all" contenders in the top-N for very small N, either last year or the one earlier. < 1263935893 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2008 there's Joojoojotti, which used 2.5 seconds of thinking per game (and a game is typically over a hundred half-moves) and still was 23rd out of 46. < 1263935912 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which game? < 1263935954 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: There's this locally-developed board game that is used traditionally for the programming project in our "introduction to AI" course; to keep people interested, there's a bit of competition going on. < 1263935996 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~svirpioj/hierarkia/rules_en.html < 1263936091 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~svirpioj/hierarkia/ for a less detailed overview. < 1263936150 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Come to think of it, were you asking about the language rules out of plain curiosity? < 1263936174 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1263936180 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm sort-of intending to complete the course < 1263936208 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may have been curiosity in the sense that I don't have any particular language wishes at the moment < 1263936245 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1263936286 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ah. But still, potentially participating. Now, I asked the question for some particular reason, which I still remembered back when I wrote it, but now I've completely forgotten what it might have been. < 1263936322 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh, "never mind", I guess. < 1263936327 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1263936353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1263936598 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1263936709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Deewiant: Checked; it was indeed in 2008, and Scala, and a 3212277-byte .jar, and MAIMTRON 9000 in http://www.cs.hut.fi/Opinnot/T-93.4400/2008/results/ <-- checked what? < 1263936727 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read more backlog. < 1263936749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooooooo! < 1263936807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Since when is any research project of the university user-friendly anyway <-- what if it *is* about user-friendly user interfaces? < 1263936865 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They probably still suck < 1263937112 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "user-friendly" in this context I mostly mean "can manage to get it compiled and figure out what commands to run without calling us". < 1263937167 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it wouldn't be so hard to provide a simple script for recognizing audio files using existing models. < 1263937213 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1263937237 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the training part is all done with crafty little bits and pieces, and everyone pretty much has their own collection of scripts, since the sort of research that is done differs so much. < 1263937303 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Documentation's been partially replaced with aural tradition, passed on from older shamans to younger acolytes by the campfires. Okay, so that last part was fiction. < 1263937363 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/au/o/ I guess too. < 1263937368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my I just found out there exists such a thing as "chess boxing" < 1263937371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as, in a sport < 1263937380 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have known of this for several years < 1263937405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a ridiculous idea though < 1263937446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is the project in question? < 1263937463 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Our speech recognizer in general. < 1263937475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah. Open source? < 1263937515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why is one entry between 27 and 28 at http://www.cs.hut.fi/Opinnot/T-93.4400/2008/results/ greyed out? < 1263937524 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. That, I think, was Deewiant's whole point. Why don't you read the logs?-) < 1263937526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another one between 45 and 46 < 1263937542 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Those are unofficial participants. < 1263937559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh I see. How did they work < 1263937592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why didn't any bot play against itself. It might have been funny < 1263937599 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vince being 2007's winner, and RandomBot choosing a random legal move. < 1263937627 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it wouldn't have affected the scoring. < 1263937627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1263937639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, try, but might have been amusing < 1263937643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what were the rules for the game < 1263937657 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already linked twice < 1263937667 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was linked to just a moment ago, yes. < 1263937669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah at the bottom there < 1263937683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny it crashed firefox < 1263937730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh yeah, china-chess (iirc it is called that in Sweden at least) < 1263937737 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "at the bottom" means the bottom of the results page, then no, that's just detailed statistics. < 1263937745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not exactly < 1263937746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1263937771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game is reasonably different from most things. < 1263937786 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way to capture pieces is rather peculiar. < 1263937820 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't dare to say unique since games are not my speciality. But not well-known, anyway. < 1263937874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1263937941 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2009's results there are more unofficial participants, since last year's top 5 was also included. http://www.cs.hut.fi/Studies/T-93.4400/2009/results/ < 1263937976 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently the 2007 folks sucked then < 1263937989 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the results are just that random < 1263938010 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, 2007 was done with Scheme in a different system. < 1263938032 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How'd you run that versus the 2008 folks? < 1263938054 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ported personally the Scheme winner over to Java, but did not tune anything so it assumed a lot less computing time was available. < 1263938082 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1263938097 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that they wanted something that made more sense than RandomBot to compare against. < 1263938109 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sensible. < 1263938139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why java? < 1263938142 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008's top three were all better than 2009's winner, though. < 1263938176 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not by much, though. < 1263938203 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It pretty much follows from what is used in the introductory programming courses here. < 1263938215 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python next year, then? ;-P < 1263938218 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Java's got that sandbox in place. < 1263938231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where are the 2007 results? < 1263938248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why was it scheme before then? < 1263938261 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same reason. < 1263938266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1263938363 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But the majority of 2007 already complained about Scheme, since teaching using it had already stopped. < 1263938378 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 2006? < 1263938417 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't the assistant back then. < 1263938441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, still where is the 2007 results. Neither http://www.cs.hut.fi/{Opinnot,Studies}/T-93.4400/2007/results/ worked < 1263938446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither of* < 1263938470 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a text file somewhere. < 1263938483 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to look for it in a bit. < 1263938500 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different systems, different results reports. < 1263938547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, going to sleep. doesn't matter if it isn't easy to reach < 1263938628 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lot less fancy, just the scores bsically. < 1263938655 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit busy right now though; probably no great loss there. < 1263939060 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1263939081 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I independently invented chess boxing as a joke in the early 90's. I had forgotten about it until now :) < 1263939126 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's about the age of the idea < 1263939132 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Early 90s, I mean. < 1263939146 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I found it: http://www.cs.hut.fi/Opinnot/T-93.4400/2007/airesults.html < 1263939165 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case AnMaster somehow is still here. < 1263939174 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And understands Finnish. < 1263939174 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parallel evolution of ideas, I guess... < 1263939191 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it wasn't just a text document after all. < 1263939220 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not too hard to come up with the premise "combine something extremely intellectual with something extremely physical" < 1263939227 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1263939240 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it wasn't chess boxing I came up with... what was it? < 1263939252 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might have actually been cycle boxing. < 1263939261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The game-browser was also cgi-based back then and has rotted away. < 1263939270 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Box a round, then once around a track on a bicycle, then box another round... < 1263939292 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two extremely physical but otherwise very dissimilar activities. < 1263939340 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cycle around a track and try to punch the other guy with your fists while at it. < 1263939350 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be... harder. < 1263939381 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also more accident-prone, and therefore would draw larger audiences. < 1263940062 0 :augur!n=augur@c-98-218-226-149.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263940109 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in western countries popularity of something seems approximately inversely proportional to amount of intellect in it... :-> < 1263940355 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... From one study "Intake of TFA [trans fatty acids] was strongly associated with CHD mortality..." -- not surprising, TFAs (not to confused with CLA) are known to be dangerous for health. < 1263940579 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you think "trans fat problem" has been solved, check some nutrient database querying: Most trans fats, milk free (milk free is to try to minimize interference from CLA, as most databases classify that as trans fat). < 1263940909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh, i thought like riding bicycles while boxing. < 1263940927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now *that's* harder. < 1263941127 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: A regular boxing match, with the ring and all, but put both participants on unicycles. < 1263941132 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobox that's a great idea lol bike with one hand and whack the guy with the other < 1263941148 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the speed of the bike gives extra power to the bike, just like jousting < 1263941163 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklobox could be my bi-boxer name. < 1263941186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bi-boxing = bicycle boxing, obviously) < 1263941215 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the speed of the bike gives extra power to the bike" <<< yeah speed is powah < 1263941262 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, I meant punch < 1263941275 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1263942605 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1263942605 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1263942605 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1263942606 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1263942606 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1263942741 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75.106.100.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263942817 0 :cheater2!n=cheater@ip-80-226-230-231.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1263942833 0 :yiyus!i=12427124@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1263942835 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1263943871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)