00:15:16 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:02:25 -!- coppro has joined. 01:21:27 Todo this weekend: Write a JavaScript interpreter 01:26:58 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 01:27:42 Hey, I've got a mouse with a wheel again :P 01:52:35 * Asztal envy 01:52:49 this mouse has a wheel but it does whatever it likes when I scroll it, so I don't scroll it. 01:56:54 -!- cheater2 has joined. 02:04:41 -!- cheater3 has quit (Connection timed out). 02:08:02 -!- oerjan has joined. 02:08:37 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 02:12:21 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:16:22 Hey, I've got a mouse with a wheel again :P 02:16:30 your cat ate its foot? 02:16:54 * Gregor has smoke coming out of his ears 02:17:12 STOP THINKING SO HARD 02:18:22 I aaaalmost got it, because if my cat ate her foot she would form a wheel, and cats eat mice, but I can't rectify "mouse with a" 02:19:12 your cat ate _the mouse's_ foot? 02:19:16 ** 02:19:39 OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH 02:19:51 -!- augur has joined. 02:20:02 + some prosthetics, obviously 02:20:38 Yeah, that I got 02:21:30 good, good 02:29:57 -!- Sgeo has joined. 02:39:54 -!- adam_d has joined. 02:40:13 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 02:43:26 -!- augur has joined. 02:46:50 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:59:08 -!- adam_d_ has joined. 02:59:41 -!- jpc has quit ("I will do anything (almost) for a new router."). 03:02:04 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 03:02:06 -!- jpc has joined. 03:18:23 -!- adam_d has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:26:58 -!- MizardX- has joined. 03:38:08 http://robozzle.com/ 03:38:49 (Warning: Silverlight) 03:39:28 -!- coppro has quit (Remote closed the connection). 03:42:45 -!- MizardX has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:43:15 -!- coppro has joined. 03:44:37 Sgeo: neat 03:44:50 :) 03:44:57 * Sgeo found it because of TV Tropes Wiki 03:45:35 lies 03:45:40 nothing good ever comes of tvtropes 03:46:24 http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProgrammingGame 03:49:46 nice 03:50:20 -!- MizardX- has quit (Connection timed out). 03:51:36 * pikhq discovers the FATAL traditional RPG. 03:51:59 It can be summed as follows: Imagine that /b/ made an RPG. Now imagine that that RPG could defecate. *That* is FATAL. 04:00:31 -!- bsmntbombdood has changed nick to averagesizedpeni. 04:04:41 -!- averagesizedpeni has changed nick to bsmntbombdood. 04:15:30 -!- oerjan has joined. 04:16:38 Sgeo, did you just link to a really awesome game? 04:17:08 uorygl, that's a bit subjective, really 04:17:17 And at least I have something to do for an hour 04:26:18 Hum, I'm having difficulty getting Silverlight. 04:40:07 -!- coppro has quit (Remote closed the connection). 04:40:43 -!- coppro has joined. 04:48:52 -!- adam_d_ has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 04:58:20 -!- zeotrope has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:05:57 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 05:12:00 xkcd :D 05:35:15 Sgeo: i've seen that with subroutines 05:35:16 -!- augur has joined. 05:36:20 oh lol yeah that has them too 05:36:45 -!- oerjan has quit ("rhombus"). 05:37:52 okay and tons of other stuff 05:37:57 cool. 05:58:09 :D 05:58:38 I think the creator of Robozzle might have been inspired by another game. I think he said it somewhere 05:58:51 -!- aesh_49 has joined. 05:59:38 -!- aesh_49 has left (?). 06:00:17 yeah there was this trivial game where you put a few arrows down and light like a lamp 06:00:47 Yeah, I've seen it 06:00:58 I think that's the one that inspired this one 06:01:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmqBVWi_Pc0 [partial puzzle spoilers (how badly can a video spoil, if the code isn't shown?)] 06:04:20 icegibbon (7 months ago) Show Hide +1 Marked as spam Reply Awesome. A game that teaches concepts of Programming, even recursion! Finally 06:04:24 i hate youtube 06:06:36 "recursion" lol 06:06:50 thaat's a fucking goto 06:06:55 *that's 06:08:07 Actually, it does tend to act more like recursion than a goto 06:08:29 oh right it does 06:08:54 Suppose in the middle of F1 you put a conditional F1.. there are puzzles that rely on the recursive-like behavior 06:09:08 anyway, i like the idea of having a memory array, and putting a color pattern on it that's that only way to do conditionals 06:09:28 so basically the game with an infinite pattern + like a drop command 06:09:30 Search for stack in http://robozzle.com/puzzles.aspx 06:09:33 "shit here" 06:09:34 hmm 06:09:41 ah, interesting 06:10:07 have to be at uni in 6 minutes, and have to take the dog out first, so slightly busy atm 06:10:10 but maybe tonight 06:10:22 * Sgeo is going to sleep soon 06:10:24 maybe a few minutes of simpsons first 06:15:24 http://robozzle.com/forums/thread.aspx?id=1593 06:27:44 -!- adam_d has joined. 06:31:08 There is a Javascript client: http://robozzle.com/js 06:32:32 Night all 06:34:14 -!- Sgeo has quit ("Leaving"). 06:35:35 -!- FireFly has joined. 06:56:45 -!- tombom has joined. 07:24:05 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit (Client Quit). 07:49:42 -!- tombom has quit ("Leaving"). 07:53:38 -!- coppro has quit (Remote closed the connection). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:25:28 -!- jpc has quit ("I will do anything (almost) for a new router."). 08:31:45 -!- nooga_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 08:50:51 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 08:59:42 -!- scarf has joined. 09:05:01 -!- nooga has joined. 09:29:56 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Remote closed the connection). 09:58:11 -!- scarf has changed nick to scarf|away. 09:59:53 -!- Pthing has joined. 10:22:41 -!- adam_d has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 10:51:41 -!- scarf|away has changed nick to scarf. 11:50:24 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 12:13:29 -!- Pthing has joined. 12:24:48 -!- Sgeo has joined. 12:25:08 o.O the Robozzle source is freely available (don't know if it's Open Source or not, though) 12:25:13 http://robozzle.codeplex.com/ 12:26:15 * Sgeo plays with Grooveshark, and facepalms at whoever thinks that Salva Me is an Enya song 12:26:41 -!- MizardX has joined. 12:51:02 -!- MissPiggy has joined. 13:02:12 when do these start getting hard? 13:02:33 assuming i agree with the general difficulty ratings 13:03:01 (actually realized there's one after i asked, so probably i could just scroll levels until i find a hard one) 13:10:36 Besides the campaign tab, there's also an easy to hard tab... 13:11:40 * Sgeo notices that oklopol asked that 7 min ago, so pokes him in case he didn't check IRC 13:18:11 oh lol 13:18:20 yeah but actually these are hard enough already 13:18:33 (although i think this is still an "easy" level) 13:19:04 sofar the only hard ones have been ones where i've needed something i hadn't realized i can do 13:19:20 but in limit your stack, i have no idea what to do yet 13:21:03 -!- asiekierka has joined. 13:21:05 oh, hi 13:21:18 * Sgeo has only done one puzzle that involved the stack, it was some learn the stack puzzle 13:21:35 hi asiekierka 13:21:40 what is the current topic 13:21:46 so i don't like go all offtop---oh wait... T_T 13:22:03 as in 13:22:06 what are you guys talking about 13:22:18 and madame's 13:22:20 http://robozzle.com (if you don't have Silverlight, try http://robozzle.com/js ) 13:22:30 Although the latter doesn't have the tutorial, I think 13:22:36 And is unpretty 13:22:59 aargh silverlight 13:23:32 i want to make a random text generator based on all these markov's and weighting to 13:23:33 o 13:23:36 as in 13:23:47 meh 13:23:49 too lazy to explain 13:24:07 o, robozzle? 13:24:10 i saw a game like it 13:24:11 1 year ago 13:24:22 asiekierka, just a guess, but Light-Bot? 13:24:27 yes 13:24:28 exactly 13:24:38 Robozzle is much more flexible, and is mostly user-created puzzles 13:25:00 does it have logic gates 13:25:04 if yes, then i agree 13:25:07 It has conditionals 13:25:20 that may work 13:25:31 someone should pull off a computer in it xD 13:25:40 or an adder 13:26:39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmqBVWi_Pc0 (possibly spoils some puzzles) 13:30:33 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 13:32:08 Er, what's that filled-circle command? ... oh, it paints a square, or something. 13:32:41 no "or something", it paints the square 13:33:09 Right. 13:33:20 It's not mentioned at http://www.robozzle.com/wiki/Commands.ashx though. 13:34:05 Well, it was added later on, iirc 13:34:30 Add a command that allows the robot to repaint tiles (making RoboZZle Turing-complete) 13:34:30 Update: this extension is now implemented! 13:34:35 http://www.robozzle.com/wiki/Proposed%20RoboZZle%20Extensions.ashx 13:35:05 Ah. 13:35:57 that's pretty cool 13:41:21 wait you can do recursion in this?? 13:41:46 okay limit your stack is obvious, i guess i just didn't understand the stack well enough 13:42:14 ugh!! the editor for this game is so horrible it makes playing it painful 13:43:47 MissPiggy, the keyboard shortcuts might help 13:44:14 Also, are you using the Silverlight version or the JS version? 13:44:18 js 13:44:20 uugh, i have to solve what? 40 puzzles? 13:44:56 To make your own puzzles, yes 13:45:07 this is not funny. 13:45:16 i only solved what, 15? 13:45:27 Try solving the easiest puzzles? 13:45:37 i've solved 32 puzzles today 13:45:40 What's this about 40? Something relevant to the Silverlight version? 13:45:52 i am 13:45:53 fizzie, it's how many you need to solve to edit puzzles 13:45:57 that's how i got 15 13:45:57 but it seems sgeo has too....... 13:46:07 * oklopol smells failure 13:46:11 I don't know if there's a JS puzzle editor 13:46:20 oklopol, hm? 13:46:30 Sgeo: have you solved 32 puzzles today? 13:46:40 Um, I solved way over that 13:46:54 The board in the Silverlight thing doesn't seem to update properly 13:47:01 well Sgeo is number one on the list 13:47:05 oh 13:47:07 Try "Full scoreboard" 13:47:23 i was just wondering if it was my score, but i'd clicked on your link and somehow they mistook me for you 13:47:35 because i've solved exactly 32 now 13:48:03 You know, one of those puzzles really shouldn't count. Some idiot made a trivial puzzle with 1 slot. I think it's hidden from regular view, but it was in RSS 13:48:33 did you start today? 13:48:33 * Sgeo loves how the top players right now are Eso.. what's the right term for us? 13:48:40 oklopol, I started within the past 24h 13:49:13 This is a bit monotonical. I guess the scoreboard's also visible only in Silverlight-land? 13:49:42 The Silverlight board is crappy. http://robozzle.com/scoreboard.aspx is better 13:52:57 Sgeo: esolangers 13:53:19 erlangers 13:53:30 i love how there's like 20 puzzles with one solution 13:55:13 19 so far 13:56:03 ? 13:56:31 puzzles 13:56:33 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:56:37 until the grand 40 13:56:43 i'm heading 13:56:56 23, actually, i have 13:57:37 i guess i have to quit for the day 13:57:42 oklopol? 13:57:45 Why? 13:57:52 have to spend time with humans :'( 13:58:34 :( 13:59:11 okay, refreshed 13:59:17 seems i could easily catch up with you 13:59:46 well, assuming you're slower than me ofc 13:59:56 24h is just an upper limit prolly 14:00:57 25, time for a break 14:01:03 okay I admit it this game is fun 14:10:32 Apparently Oklopol hit 40 14:11:03 yeah 14:11:17 41 is trivial, don't solve anything so i can catch you 14:11:20 how much do you have? 14:11:37 oklopol: hey, we're humans! 14:12:53 * Sgeo has 43 14:13:22 * Sgeo is trying the Limit Your Stack one 14:14:36 grrr 14:14:43 Ugh, I give up on that one for now. If only it were facing a different direction 14:14:45 i just finished 42nd 14:15:28 You and fizzie are both much faster than I am, I think 14:16:10 I did a couple easy ones outside the campaign tab (I just now noticed it's not just the sorting; it's different puzzles) so my 43 might not count. 14:16:23 43 14:16:37 shit, fizzie is doing these? 14:16:41 fizzie, what do you mean, "count" 14:16:42 ? 14:16:50 i really have to go soon :| 14:16:55 * Sgeo hasn't been staying on the campaign 14:16:57 Just easy ones 14:17:00 fizzie: you've dong exactly 43? 14:17:02 oklopol: The list was linked to just a moment ago; http://robozzle.com/scoreboard.aspx?today=1 14:17:05 oklopol: Yes, I'm a dong. 14:17:15 :D 14:17:17 *done 14:17:33 i've done them in order, since they've all been trivial sofar 14:17:46 okay DON'T DO ANYTHING NOW 14:17:53 Don't worry about me, though; I'm feeling so bored I might even stop here. 14:18:13 fizzie, skip to some more advanced ones? 14:18:18 Perhaps some stack stuff? 14:18:53 44 14:18:55 Yes, I guess I could take a look. 14:19:32 okay i'm #1, time for pizza 14:20:43 although it would be awesome to have another allnight of competing with fizzie 14:20:48 maybe some other time 14:20:54 *allnighter 14:21:08 Maybe; I'll be mostly away this evening too. 14:21:28 yarrr 14:21:29 see ya -> 14:21:32 Am I allowed to go solve another? 14:21:33 Bye 14:25:31 yeah now you can solve anything you want 14:25:39 i just wanted to catch you 14:25:49 now it's done, and i'll never have to touch the game again 14:25:49 throw Sgeo; 14:27:14 oklopol, does "never have to" mean that you won't? :( 14:28:23 i probably will, one of the best games i've seen 14:30:02 * MissPiggy is stuck :p 14:32:28 MissPiggy, try a different puzzle 14:32:35 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 14:34:55 Also, stack tutorial: http://robozzle.com/forums/thread.aspx?id=1593 14:35:03 There are a few good puzzles for practising the stack 14:36:23 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:38:12 Hi oerjan 14:38:47 g'day 14:40:38 * Sgeo points oerjan to robozzle.com 14:41:49 Yes, the latter ones seem reasonably nontrivial. 14:42:06 curses, i was trying to pretend not to have noticed that 14:42:09 I can't do smart reuse 14:42:43 MissPiggy, it's rather easy. Just figure out what commands you might like to repeat, and put them in F2. Different set of commands, F3 14:42:57 Then F1 is simply calls to F2 or F3 as needed 14:43:14 (assuming I know what puzzle you're talking about) 14:44:03 yeah 14:44:04 oh haha wow I convinced myself the solution was more difficult than that somehow 14:44:31 I saw 9 spaces but it starts at 0 so there's actually 10... 14:44:34 which means that way does work 14:47:49 durrr learn to count 14:50:09 http://robozzle.com/puzzle.aspx?id=1587 looks tricky 14:55:56 The JS client seems to break for me 14:56:40 http://robozzle.com/puzzle.aspx?id=318 -- in the campaign -- was nice; they start to approach some actual computation there. 14:57:42 * Sgeo isn't sure how he would even get started on that one 14:59:53 back 15:00:02 Just nest calls of f2 and f3 -- f3 for each red brick, for example -- and have the trailing end of f3 have a single up-arrow; and arrange things that the whole pile returns after a green. 15:03:24 Awesome. In the puzzle designer, in the solution part, you can press L to get a link that you can give to others 15:03:50 Without submitting the puzzle 15:05:01 -!- scarf has changed nick to scarf|away. 15:09:36 -!- kar8nga has joined. 15:10:51 7 puzzles left 15:10:51 :P 15:11:26 * Sgeo goes to watch some SG-1 15:11:59 the most common type of puzzles i found is the 4-3 puzzle 15:12:04 4 slots, 3 colors of blocks 15:12:06 make it work 15:13:02 It occurs to me that that description could apply to a wide variety of completely different puzzles 15:13:57 the main rule of the 4-3 puzzles is that 15:14:07 you have to go straight and assign 2 commands to 2 color types 15:14:20 OR assign 3 commands to 3 color types (rare-ish) 15:14:27 and then jump back to itself 15:16:20 i want to make a game for my cellphone like that 15:18:16 now im stuck again 15:18:50 MissPiggy, what puzzle 15:18:51 ? 15:18:57 turn around 15:19:07 yay, 38 15:19:14 two more and i can has editorz 15:19:47 i want to make "Universal Program" series 15:19:51 the point is to use ONE program 15:19:56 -!- Asztal has joined. 15:19:56 and make it work on 3 different puzzles 15:20:08 as in, not 100% different 15:20:11 but somehow, yes 15:20:20 -!- cpressey has joined. 15:20:21 also 15:20:24 what i like about roboZZle 15:20:32 is that it doesn't remember half the levels i've already done 15:20:37 nvm 15:20:42 i just noticed this is a different puzzle 15:21:04 Yeah, there are some repeats. They tend to get disliked 15:21:42 by anyone who got past 40 puzzles, that it 15:21:43 that is* 15:21:50 the <40'ers LOVE them 15:22:05 lol 15:22:47 You know, it took me a while to realize that Robozzle = Robot + Puzzle 15:23:31 YES! FORTY 15:23:44 Congratulations 15:23:48 yay, edit---... 15:23:54 this is far below my expectations. 15:23:59 ? 15:24:00 time to write a competing game i guess 15:24:03 i mean 15:24:12 i thought this editor will have more functions 15:24:18 don't see how it is possible 15:24:35 MissPiggy, I did it early, but forgot how 15:24:55 asiekierka, what's wrong with the editor? 15:26:09 Sgeo, no, not the editor 15:26:21 i just thought the game's slightly more than BF 15:26:26 while it has about the same number of commands as BF 15:26:58 * Sgeo thinks it would make more sense to compare it to a 2d language. After all, there is 2d memory, after a fasion 15:27:05 no, i mean 15:27:09 the number of commands in general 15:27:11 let's count 15:27:17 MOVE STRAIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT 15:27:21 FUNCTION 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 15:27:26 PAINT TILE RED, GREEN, BLUE 15:27:34 and three kinds of prefixes 15:27:49 that's 10 commands if we assume the FUNCTION command as being one command with a param 15:27:52 told ya 15:27:59 though yeah 15:28:06 i think i could make such a game for a different platform 15:28:08 I.E. the NES 15:30:24 I'm a bit bored of this 15:31:03 I wonder if there's a way to solve these automatically 15:31:15 hm 15:31:22 i want to submit but i'd rather like someone else see it first 15:31:23 any way to 15:32:02 asiekierka, go to the solver thing, then press L 15:32:11 MissPiggy, there is a solver somewhere 15:32:22 cool how does it work 15:32:27 http://robozzle.com/index.aspx#design/aaaaaaaaaayibaaaaaaiiaaaaaaiiagaaayibadaaaaaaadaaaaarBlaaaaaaarBdaaaaaBaaaaaaaBaaaaaaaAaaaaaaajaWoicaa,qerMgeeHqGa 15:32:27 http://code.google.com/p/robozzlesolver/ 15:32:31 here, someone have a look 15:32:36 and tell me if it's good enough for a submit 15:32:50 hmm 15:32:55 asiekierka the solution was already coded in!!! 15:33:03 oh !@#$% 15:33:10 what now 15:33:36 "Small amount of instructions and program length limit make it possible to construct an automatic solver for puzzles based on backtracking" 15:33:38 humf 15:33:42 that's not very interesting 15:33:45 http://robozzle.com/index.aspx#design/aaaaaaaaaayibaaaaaaiiaaaaaaiiagaaayibadaaaaaaadaaaaarBlaaaaaaarBdaaaaaBaaaaaaaBaaaaaaaAaaaaaaajaWoicaa,a - try this 15:33:51 for anyone that hasn't 15:33:55 as copying a soluton is not fun 15:34:28 did anyone NOT SEE that other link 15:34:37 im http://robozzle.com/scoreboard.aspx?today=1 15:34:39 im the lowest 15:34:46 :D 15:34:51 you're 33rd 15:34:51 -!- Pthing has joined. 15:34:58 im not really going past my 40 much 15:35:28 http://robozzle.com/user.aspx?name=snydej - hey, this guy has some epic puzzles 15:36:16 sgeo 15:36:27 asiekierka? 15:36:31 what 15:36:33 well 15:36:37 can you see my puzzle 15:36:40 or did you peek the solution 15:36:44 I peeked 15:36:48 uuugh 15:36:51 Sorry 15:36:54 no problem 15:37:10 wish fizzie was on 15:37:43 They changed the Java installer, it doesn't say anything about experiencing the power of Java any more :( 15:38:27 wow that snydej guy is cool 15:38:32 yes 15:39:33 guys, remember R.O.B., that idiot nes robot 15:39:38 well he had something similar to robozzle 15:39:42 only it converted an actual "robot" 15:39:43 and was 1D 15:39:44 nes robot?? 15:39:47 yes 15:39:50 that nes weirdo 15:39:55 with huge glass eyes 15:41:30 also 15:41:33 why is the robozzle channel emty 15:41:34 #robozzle 15:43:16 I asked exactly that question on the forums 15:43:45 * Sgeo goes to watch some SG-1 15:43:56 oh no you aren't 15:44:04 ? 15:44:18 you know what 15:44:25 i want to make paper cubes of RoboZZle commands 15:44:35 as in, all combinations 15:44:40 what are paper cubes 15:44:44 you know 15:44:52 the cubes that you make with gluing paper all around 15:45:06 i think that'll be a total of 9*4=36 combinations needed 15:45:10 for every possible command 15:49:24 yay, langtozzle 15:50:02 -!- scarf|away has changed nick to scarf. 15:50:24 langtozzle? 15:51:14 im trying to do that tree one from snydej 15:56:06 langton's ant in robozzle 15:56:07 easy peasy 15:57:23 lol: 15:57:24 "Right now I've seen a puzzle where F1 has 4 slots, F2 has 3 slots, and F3 has only one slot, and the author's solution has a length of 8, which means he needed F3! No wonder almost everybody solved it with a length of 7." 15:58:23 LOL 15:58:32 okay 15:58:33 MissPiggy: it's easy to make a puzzle a program can't solve 15:58:56 oklopuzzle how do you mean? 15:59:15 well i don't know what the length limit is 15:59:19 just don't give enuogh instructions 15:59:25 but even with like 8 i'm sure it's easy 15:59:42 obviously i mean solvable, but not solvable by a program 15:59:45 well see ya -> 15:59:58 solvable, but not solvable by a program?? 16:00:47 In theory, all puzzles are brute-forcable 16:00:48 i wonder if anyone ever does the game of life in robozzle 16:01:24 i think that is doable though 16:01:43 or certainly would be if we had anything more than 3 block colors 16:01:46 let's say 4 16:08:11 yay I did tree lol 16:09:24 MissPiggy, which interface are you using 16:09:25 ? 16:09:34 I ended up using silverlight one because it's better 16:09:54 Indeed 16:18:12 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 16:21:23 that langtons ant thing is so cool I can't believe I didn't know about 16:21:59 what 16:22:01 did you see my vid 16:22:13 no 16:22:18 cuz i uploaded one 16:22:20 showing it in action 16:22:35 show me it? 16:23:50 k 16:24:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDWmujQ3W_I 16:32:09 asiekierka, post on the forums? 16:32:45 maybe 16:32:46 also 16:32:57 how do you do stacks as i'm stuck on stack puzzles :( 16:33:12 nvm 16:33:20 found you posting it earlier 16:33:51 "MissPiggy: solvable, but not solvable by a program??" <<< yes 16:33:58 oklopol: bruteforce 16:34:04 assuming an app allows F1 to F5 16:34:08 and all color painters 16:34:09 currently, computers aren't better than humans at all things 16:34:12 you get 4 modifiers 16:34:18 and 14 commands 16:34:33